* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:05:30] [00:05:30] I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW THIS REGULAR MEETING OF VILLE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, NOVEMBER 12TH, 2025 TO ORDER, OKAY, INVOCATION P IF YOU WOULD, MR. LORD, THANK YOU FOR, UH, TODAY, AND THANK YOU FOR ALL OUR VETERANS AND HONORING THEM THIS WEEK. AND LORD, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT OUT AND, UH, GUIDE US TODAY IN MAKING GOOD DECISIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AMEN. AMEN. I PLEASURE. WITH ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, AMEND THE AGENDA TO ADD PUBLIC COMMENTS AFTER, UH, ITEM B ON OLD BUSINESS. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. CARRIED OPPOSED. UM, OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT OTHER THAN THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TODAY? DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THE, UH, AGENDA ITEMS TODAY? NOBODY. OKAY. ALL BUSINESS. DO WE HAVE THE, EXCUSE ME FOR INTERRUPTING, BUT CAN YOU READ THOSE RULES OF PUBLIC COMMENT AHEAD OF, UH, ANY BUSINESS SO THAT THEY, PEOPLE KNOW? I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. FIVE MINUTES. THAT SHOULD BE THE NEXT THING. OH, COOL. CHECK ON THE DESK. IS THIS IT? IS IT UNDERNEATH YOUR FOLDER? SEE, IT'S NOT THIS. HERE, HERE IT IS. I I GOT IT. I GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU, RICK. YES, SIR. OKAY. RULE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. WHEN WE ENTER A PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF OUR MEETING, WE ASK THAT YOU DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS AT, AT THIS TIME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS A WHOLE. WE WELCOME ANY COMMENTS ON MATTERS APPEARING ON THE AGENDA OR THOSE THAT ARE WITHIN OUR CONTROL. SOME MATTERS ARE BETTER ADDRESSED BY, TO THE CITY COUNCIL, COUNTY COUNCIL, OR OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES. PLEASE AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS ON MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, CITY STAFF PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER OR COUNCIL MEMBER BEING MINDFUL OF, OF THESE PROCEEDINGS. WE ARE BEING BROADCAST AND ARE AVAILABLE TO BE HEARD BY CHILDREN AND OTHERS AT HOME WATCHING. I'M GOING TO CALL THOSE COMMENTS OUT OF ORDER. THAT PARTICULAR MATTER IS NOT WITHIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S JURISDICTION AT THIS TIME. IF IN THE FUTURE THIS PARTICULAR MATTER GETS TO THE POINT WHERE IT IS WITHIN THAT JURISDICTION, WE'LL PLACE IT ON THE AGENDA AT THAT TIME. THANK YOU. SO PLEASE KEEP THESE COMMENTS IN MIND. OKAY. MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 8TH. I WAS NOT HERE, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM, UH, OUR OCTOBER 8TH, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. YOU HAVE A MOTION? I'LL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. ITEM B, CONSIDERATION OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR PARCEL 0 6 7 DASH ZERO DASH ZERO ONE DASH 0 4 2 TO BE KNOWN AS THE TOWN HOMES AND COTTAGES AT EAST PARKWAY, EAST PDD. MAKE SURE I HAVE EVERYTHING. GOOD MORNING, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION AGAIN, AND, UM, HOPE YOU'RE DOING WELL. THIS IS A CARRY OVER FROM OUR LAST MEETING. UM, YOU, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, AND SO THEY, WE ARE HERE. WE, I'M GONNA DO A QUICK OVERVIEW AND THEN THE APPLICANTS CAN CERTAINLY GIVE YOU ANY OTHER FEEDBACK THAT THEY MAY HAVE HAD SINCE THE, UM, LAST MEETING. OKAY. UM, AS MENTIONED, THIS IS TOWN HOMES AT EAST SERGEANT. THE, THE OUTLINE PARCEL [00:10:01] OUTLINED IN RED IS THE SUBJECT PARCEL. UM, WE ALSO PLACED, UM, EAST SERGEANT, PDD HERE. IT'S ON, IN THIS LIGHT GREEN HERE. WELL, I GUESS IT'S MORE LIME GREEN. AND, AND THE PROPERTY IS, IS DOWN OVER IN THIS AREA SO THAT YOU'RE, GIVE YOU ACCLIMATED AS TO WHERE WE ARE. UM, IT IS 28.91 ACRES. UM, THEY ARE REQUESTING, UM, SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT OF 151 UNITS. 11 BUILDINGS WILL BE TWO STORY, AND 20 BUILDINGS WILL BE THREE STORY. UM, AND THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE THESE IN THE INTERIOR ARE THE THREE STORY BUILDINGS. AND THOSE ALONG, WHOOPS, LET ME GO BACKWARDS. I GET, I GET CLICK HAPPY. AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER WITH COMPUTERS, UM, THOSE ALONG THE, UM, SOUTHERN BORDER ARE, UM, THE TWO STORY HOMES. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THERE'S AMENITY SPACES, STORMWATER, LAGOONS, AND TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS, UM, BASED ON THE STANDARDS OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE EAST ARGENT, PDD STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS MASTER PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT ADDITIONAL GUEST PARKING BE PROVIDED NEAR THE AMENITY AREA TO PROVIDE MORE ACCESSIBLE GUEST PARKING FOR THE TOWN HOMES LOCATED IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. AND I WILL SHOW, I WILL SHOW YOU WHERE THAT IS IN ONE SECOND. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA, THIS AMENITY SPACE DOWN HERE, AND SOME ADDITIONAL GUEST PARKING IN THIS AREA. SO WITH THAT, I WILL, UM, TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT FOR ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT, THAT YOU MAY HAVE HAD FROM THE LAST MEETING. GOOD MORNING. I'M RUSTY WINDSOR WITH KIMBERLY HORN, UM, ON BEHALF OF MCGUINN HOLMES. AND I'VE GOT ERIC OLSON HERE IN MCGUINN AND THEN, UM, WITH TRAFFIC TOO. SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO KIND OF WALK THROUGH THIS, HOW I WANT TO KIND OF PRES PRESENT TO YOU AND, AND RECEIVE QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, SPEAK ON DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE DEVELOP OF DEVELOPMENT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HANDLE MOST OF THE SITE PLAN, UM, COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. GET ERIC TO ANSWER ANY OF THE, UM, ANY OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT BUILDINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON TO TRAFFIC AFTER THAT, SO THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF KEEP IT, KEEP IT TOGETHER. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO ANSWER SOMETHING ABOUT TRAFFIC OR BUILDINGS OR, OR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. SO THAT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT, I THINK. UM, SO GOING INTO THIS SITE, WE TALKED LAST TIME, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UM, LEMME SEE IF I CAN PULL UP MY, MY NOTES OR MY, MY INFORMATION IF YOU'VE GOT IT ALREADY HERE. IT'S, I GOT IT, RUSTY. OH, YOU DO? YOU GOT ME. UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUFFERS ON THIS, ON THIS PROPERTY, AND WHAT, UM, JUST THE, THE EXHIBITS, CORRECT. THERE WE GO. NICE. NOW I CAN DRIVE. PERFECT. THERE WE GO. SO I WANT TO GO DOWN TO THE BUFFER. SO, UM, SO THE, THIS SITE IS WITHIN THE EAST SERGEANT, PDD, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE GO WALK THROUGH THE BUFFERS WITH YOU AND I MAKING SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE BUFFERS, WHAT'S THERE, WHAT'S SHOWN AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY REQUIRED. SO WITHIN, WITHIN, UM, THE PDD OF EAST SERGEANT, THERE ARE NOT ANY BUFFERS REQUIRED. NONE. OKAY. SO AS, AS DEVELOPMENT HAS PROGRESSED THROUGH EAST, UH, THROUGH EAST AR THERE'S BEEN SOME BUFFERS APPLIED TO DIFFERENT PRO UH, PROJECTS BASED ON DIFFERENT VARIATIONS. EXTERIOR TO ALL OF PDD, UH, THE PDD, THERE'S A 50 FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE PERIMETER. OKAY. SO ON THIS PLAN, YOU SEE, LAST TIME WE DID, WE JUST SAID EXPLAIN THERE'S A, A 50 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE ROAD AND A 25 BUFFER FOOT BUFFER MINIMUM ALONG THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. BUT WE DIDN'T EXPLAIN HOW THAT THOSE BUFFERS ARE. WE PLACE THOSE BUFFERS UNDER THE SELF-IMPOSED BUFFER TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, BA MAKE THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, MORE APPEALING, LEAVE SOME OF THAT VISITATION BETWEEN US AND RIVERTON POINT THO THAT IS NOT REQUIRED. SO JUST KINDA WANNA WALK THROUGH THAT AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT. UM, THEN I ALSO WENT THROUGH, THERE WAS QUESTIONS LAST TIME ABOUT THE, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS LAST TIME ABOUT THE, WHAT KIND OF BUFFER THERE WAS ON THE, UM, RIVERTON POINT SIDE. SO I TOOK OUR AERIAL EXHIBIT, WHICH PULLED OUT A LOT OF THE, YOU CAN SEE THE VEGETATION AND EVERYTHING HERE. AND I BASICALLY LINED, YOU KNOW, LIKE FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT, MAYBE ALMOST 10 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS OF THAT, THAT BUFFER. UM, THE MINIMUM SHOWING HERE WAS 57, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO THE PARCEL SEPARATION BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY LINE AND THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. OF THOSE, OF THOSE HOMES, THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE [00:15:01] 60 FEET SEPARATION BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE, UM, THE, THESE, THESE HERE, LEMME SEE WHICH ONES PROBABLY BETTER TO POINT ON HERE. AND THAT DID NOT WORK. IT'S TOP, TOP, TOP BUTTON. THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO. SO THESE HOMES HERE, THERE'S A 60 FOOT, UM, OPEN SPACE BUFFER BETWEEN THE, THE PROPERTY LINE ALONG THE REAR OF THESE LOTS TO OUR PROPERTY LINE HERE, SHOWN IN RED. AND THEN, AND THEN WE'RE SHOWING ANOTHER 25 FOOT UNDISTURBED BUFFER BETWEEN OUR, BETWEEN THAT PROPERTY LINE AND, AND OUR PROPERTY. OKAY. QUESTION, YOU SAID A 50 FOOT OPEN SPACE BUFFER, 60 FEET. 60 FEET OPEN SPACE BUFFER? YES. OKAY. IT, IT'S UNDISTURBED. NEVER BEEN TOUCHED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT EXCEPT FOR, THERE IS A COUPLE AREAS WHERE IT ENCROACHES INTO THAT. AND ONE BEING THIS WHERE THE, UM, GOLF CART PATH COMES THROUGH HERE AND TURNS AND GOES TO THE GOLF CART. THAT IS ALSO ACTUALLY A SEWER EASEMENT. THERE'S A SEWER MAIN UNDERNEATH THE, UM, UNDERNEATH THE GROUND THERE CONNECTING IN HERE THAT GOES UP TO THAT PLACE THERE. AND SO, SO THAT, THAT YOU, THAT CANNOT BE, THERE CAN'T BE ANY TYPE OF PLANTINGS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUFORD, JASPER WILL NOT ALLOW ANY TYPE OF VEGETATION TO BE GROWN ON TOP OF THAT, THAT SECTION. SO THAT'S ONE AREA. AND THEN ALONG THE GOLF COURSE WE RANGE FROM ABOUT 40, 46 TO 49. THERE'S 1 38 ALONG THE GOLF COURSE. UM, THIS IS ALSO, UM, A LARGE, A LARGE RIDGE AND EVERYTHING TOO. UM, AND SO, UH, WITH THAT, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF, UM, HOW WE WENT THROUGH AND GOT THROUGH THE BUFFER. UM, THEN LET'S, LET ME GO EXIT THIS REAL QUICK AND OPEN UP ONE MORE. THE VISITATION. UM, THIS ONE, THERE WAS ALSO QUESTIONS LAST TIME ABOUT, THERE WE GO. THE ACTUAL, UM, THESE TWO DIFFERENT, UH, VISUAL IMPACT ANALYSIS. SO I THINK THERE WAS CONFUSION ABOUT WHICH ONE THAT WE THOUGHT THAT THIS, THIS ONE HERE WAS ORIGINALLY FOR, UH, BOTH LOCATIONS WHEN THAT'S NOT, NOT THE, THE CASE. SO THIS IS, THIS IS NUMBER ONE. UM, AND SO THERE'S, UM, ROUGHLY 50 FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND 133 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE TO OUR PROPERTY LINE. AND THEN THERE'S THE, UM, THE, THEN THE 25 FOOT BUFFER THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. THE BUILDING ON HERE IS REPRESENTING OF THE, THE 50 FOOT, UH, THAT WE HAVE LABELED IS THE ACTUAL ALLOWABLE HEIGHT THAT IS ALLOWED FOR THE PDD. UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A TWO STORY, WHICH IS, UH, THE TWO STORY IS THE GRAY BOX ALONG THE PERIMETER, AND THEN A THREE STORY ON THE INTERIOR. UM, AGAIN, TRYING TO JUST SOFTEN THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF STEP INTO THE DEVELOPMENT BEFORE WE GO WITH A THREE STORY TYPE OF BUILDING. UM, AND THEN, AND SO, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE LIKE THIS, THIS VEGETATION REPRESENTS THAT VEGETATION THAT WAS SHOWN ON THE OTHER BUFFER PLAN IN THIS LOCATION. THEN AS YOU CAN SEE WHERE YOU HAVE THE GOLF COURSE, THIS IS, UM, ALONG HOLE NUMBER FIVE. I BEL IS IT 6, 6, 6, 6. THIS IS HOLE NUMBER SIX. UM, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NOT AS MUCH OF A VEGETATIVE BUFFER, BUT WHAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE OF THAT VEGETATIVE BUFFER IS ELEVATION. ELEVATION GAIN. I DID THAT, I RUBBED ACROSS THIS LITTLE THING HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TWO OF THEM. UM, AND SO THERE'S AN ELEVATION GAIN AND AS YOU CAN SEE AS FAR AS THE VISUAL IMPACT, YOU'RE STANDING HERE, YOU HAVE THIS, UM, BERM HEIGHT THAT WAS BUILT WITH A GOLF COURSE AND THAT THIS RANGE IS ANYWHERE FROM PROBABLY MAYBE AROUND 20 FEET, UP TO 40 FEET IN HEIGHT FROM, FROM WHEN YOU'RE STANDING AT, AT THIS LOCATION. SO THAT ALSO GIVES YOU THAT VISUAL, UM, BLO BLOCK FROM ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT GOING ON BEHIND THAT. AND SO, UM, SO THOSE, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THE MAIN THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS THE SITE PLAN. UM, SO AT THIS TIME, WOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SITE PLAN? I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. MAY I CLARIFY ONE THING ALSO, WHENEVER YOU GET TO A POINT, GO AHEAD. AND I, I SAW RUSTY PAUL'S 'CAUSE HE HEARD ME AND I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. SO BEFORE WE GET QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, THE, WHEN HE IS TALKING ABOUT THOSE BUFFERS THAT ARE REQUIRED OR NOT REQUIRED AS FAR AS THE P THE EAST SERGEANT, PDD, THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THIS PDD AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, AND THE NEWER PRO PROPERTIES, OUR COUNCIL, CURRENT COUNCIL IS STRONGLY ENCOURAGING OR REQUIRING THESE BUFFERS TO BE PUT IN PLACE NOW, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE COME UP WITH THE, UM, ONES [00:20:01] WE HAVE IN PLACE. THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION. CAN WE REQUIRE BUFFERS? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. NOT ON THIS ONE. GO AHEAD. JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THIS, COULD YOU SHOW ME ON THAT RENDERING, WHICH HOUSE IN RIVERTON POINT IS THE CLOSEST TO ANY OF YOUR BUILDINGS? IT IS, I WOULD SAY THESE TWO HOMES RIGHT HERE ARE THE, THE TWO CLOSEST. THAT'S ALRIGHT. AND IT, AND THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS FOR. AND HOW MANY FEET WOULD IT BE FROM THE HOME TO, TO YOUR BUILDING, WHICH WOULD BE A TWO STORY BUILDING? UM, WELL, SO NOW I'VE GOTTA DO A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE, ESTIMATING BASED ON SAYING OKAY, FROM, SAY IT'S 57 FEET FROM THERE TO THERE, THAT LOOKS LIKE ANOTHER 50 FEET FROM THAT LOCATION RIGHT FROM TO THE BACK OF THEIR HOUSE FROM HERE TO THERE. SO ROUGHLY THAT'S A HUNDRED FEET. AND THEN, THEN THE BACK OF THIS BUILDING HERE IS ROUGHLY, UH, UH, 20 FEET FROM OUR 25 FOOT VEGETATED BUFFER. ANOTHER 45 FEET. YEAH. SO, SO WHAT IS THE DISTANCE? SO YOU'VE GOT 45 FEET PLUS A HUNDRED FEET, SO A HUNDRED FORTY FIVE FORTY FIVE FEET. MM-HMM . HOW, HOW ABOUT WHAT, WHICH IS THE, WHAT'S THE CLOSEST DISTANCE FOR ANY OF THE THREE STORY BUILDINGS? OH, SO THAT WOULD BE HERE. AND AGAIN, I DON'T, THOSE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS. UM, AND I DON'T SEE ANY TYPE OF MEASURE TOOL ON THIS, THIS ONE. BUT, UM, SO THAT'S, AGAIN, 50 FEET TO THERE. THIS IS ROUGHLY 120 FEET TO THE STREET. AND THEN, UM, AND THERE'S THE RIGHT OF WAY IS ANOTHER 50 FEET, SO THAT'S 1 21 70 PLUS THE A HUNDRED FEET. SO I JUST DID THAT IN MY, SO ONE 20 PLUS THE FIFTIES, ONE 70 PLUS THE OTHER A HUNDRED FEET THAT WE HAD ALREADY SHOWN. SO THAT'S A, UM, 270 FEET. ARE YOU TELLING US THAT, THAT THERE IS NO PLACE WHERE SOMEBODY IN RIVER POINT CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE BUILDINGS? EITHER THE TWO STORY OR THE THREE STORY? I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THEM BECAUSE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA SAY? I'M SORRY. I'M SAYING THAT THERE'S A BUFFER IN PLACE AND SET UP THERE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL, SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO BREAK UP THAT VISUAL AND THE VIS THE VISIBILITY THROUGH THAT. UM, IF SOMEBODY IS STANDING ON A SECOND STORY OR IN THEIR SECOND, IN THEIR SECOND STORY OF THEIR HOUSE LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW OR WHATEVER, THAT, THAT VISUAL MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE GROUND. UM, AND I THINK SOME OF THE MEMBERS HAS PICTURES OF THAT EXISTING BUFFER AND IT, IT'S HEAVILY VEGETATED. BUT, UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE COME THROUGH AND CUT, CUT OUT THE, THE, UH, BASICALLY IT'S JUST PINE TREES ON OUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, SOME OF THAT MAY, SOME OF THAT GROWTH MAY NOT BE AS SUBSTANTIAL AND, BUT IT WILL GROW OVER TIME AS, AS, AS IS LEFT UNTOUCHED. NOW, IF, UM, IF THE BUFFERS ARE NOT REQUIRED, IF THE BUFFERS THAT YOU'RE SHOWING ON THE OTHER SIDE ADJACENT TO YOUR PROPERTY MM-HMM . THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED EITHER MM-HMM . SO THEY COULD BE TAKEN OUT AT ANY TIME. WELL, THEY'RE THE MASTER PLAN. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THE, WE'RE PROPOSING THOSE IN THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN OUR INITIAL MASTER PLAN, THOSE BUZZERS WILL BE THERE AND STAY THERE AND BE AND MAINTAINED. SO THEY CAN'T BE TAKEN OUT. MM-HMM. NOT, NOT, NOT IF YOU, NOT, IF THIS MASTER PLAN IS APPROVED. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I HAD ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE. THANK YOU. UM, THE, UM, COULD YOU GO TO PULL UP ONE OF THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS OF THE TOWNHOUSE? I WANNA DO THE BUILDINGS NEXT. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. UM, UH, NONE AT THAT. NONE AT THIS TIME. FOR, FOR THAT. YOU HAVE ANY I I DO YOU, YOU SAY THAT THE VEGETATION IS MOSTLY PINE, CORRECT? MOSTLY PINE, MM-HMM . OKAY. SO IN THE FALL, THE HARDWOOD BELIEVES FALL OFF. SO THAT IS GONNA AFFECT THE VISUAL? NOT REALLY. UM, THE WAY THE, THE WAY THE MOST OF THE HARDWOODS, MOST OF THE, THE UNDERBRUSH IN THIS AREA AREN'T NECESSARILY HARDWOOD. IT'S A LOT OF UNDERGROWTH SHRUBS AND EVERYTHING THAT ARE IN THERE. UM, AND THOSE DON'T, THEY LIKE WAX MYRTLES AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF ARE WHAT, WHAT GROWS UP IN THOSE. AND THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH, THEY HAVE LEAF ON 'EM ALL ALMOST ALL YEAR. SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA TOUCH THAT AT ALL? NO, SIR. NOT, NOT, NOT UNTIL THAT 25 FOOT PLACE RIGHT HERE. AS LONG AS YOU SEE ON THE PLAN. I'M LEAVE THAT UNDISTURBED. I, I, UH, RENDERING IS NICE, BUT [00:25:01] I WISH YOU HAD BROUGHT IN PHOTOGRAPHS OF WHAT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT, SO, OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THIS PIECE. OKAY. I'M GONNA PULL UP THE BUILDINGS NOW. SEE IF THAT PULLED 'EM UP. NOPE. UH, LEMME KEEP OPENING HERE. THAT ONE. THERE, THERE WE GO. SO I'M GONNA SLIDE THESE, DO THAT AND THAT. AND THERE YOU GO. HEY, ERIC OLSON HERE WITH, UH, MCGUIN HOLMES. HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING? GOOD. DO YOU WANT ME TO START? YES. UM, YEAH, SORRY. I, I, I, NO, I JUST WAS, I WAS WAITING FOR, I, I APOLOGIZE. I CAN GIVE YOU YEAH, IF YOU WANTED A STORY THERE. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE GOING STRAIGHT TO QUESTIONS OR NOT, OR YEAH, WE'RE, YEAH, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND IF YOU YEAH. JUST A QUICK, I GUESS, UH, A, A QUICK NARRATIVE. SO, UH, MCW HOMES IS NOT A, WE'RE NOT A NATIONAL BUILDER. UM, WE'RE NOT PUBLICLY TRADED. WE'RE A PRIVATELY OWNED HOME BUILDER BASED IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA. SO, UM, SUPER EXCITED ABOUT, UM, THE PROJECT. I, MYSELF HAVE BEEN IN THIS MARKET FOR, UH, SINCE 2005, UM, UH, WORKING THROUGH ENGINEERING UTILITIES, UM, INTO HOME BUILDING, HYPER FAMILIAR WITH THE, UH, THE EAST A PDD, UM, AND THIS PARCEL KNOW THE SELLER WELL. UM, REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY HERE. UM, WE ENGAGED, UH, WHITMER JONES KEEFER WITH THE LAND PLAN. UM, REALLY FELT LIKE, UH, THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH KIMLEY HORN WOULD GIVE US A, A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY WITH, UM, PUTTING TOGETHER A PROJECT THAT, UH, REALLY MARRIES WELL WITH THE PDD AND, UM, REALLY THE COMMUNITY'S BEST INTERESTS. SO, WITH THAT, UH, GOOD FOR QUESTIONS. WE'RE GONNA START ON THIS SIDE. THERE YOU GO. YEAH, I DON'T AT THIS TIME. YOU DON'T? ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. UM, THE, THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT, I, I, IS THAT, I MEAN, ARE WE, WHEN I FIRST SAW IT, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, THAT, THAT LOOKS GREAT. TREE COVER OVER IT. IS THAT ANYWHERE ON THAT PROPERTY? DO YOU KNOW? IS THAT, IS THAT A ACTUAL PICTURE OF, OF THE HEIGHT OF THE TREES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY? THAT'S A LOOSE RENDERING THAT'S INTENDED TO BE ACCURATE TO THE TREE ELEVATION. AND SO THAT'S A SIX UNIT BUILDING. THAT'S OUR, UM, BALSA PLAN RIGHT THERE. MM-HMM . SO, UM, SO THAT'S A SIX UNIT BUILDING. WE VARY BETWEEN, UM, UH, FOUR UNIT. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE FIREWALLS SEPARATED, SO WE TOWN HOMES. RIGHT, RIGHT. THESE AREN'T THESE, THIS ISN'T MULTIFAMILY, THESE AREN'T APARTMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO, UM, THE INTENT IN WORKING WITH, UM, BRIAN WHITMER WAS THAT THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY, KNOWING THE SENSITIVITY OF THE NEIGHBORS, THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE VISIBLE, UH, CERTAINLY FROM A HEIGHT STANDPOINT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA CLEAR THE TREES. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO THAT'S INTENDED TO BE ACCURATE, UM, UH, TO THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING TREE LINE. AND THEN AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S SPECIFICALLY JUST A SIX UNIT BUILDING. THEY'RE NOT ALL SIX UNIT BUILDINGS. RIGHT. UM, AND WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED, TO BE CLEAR, WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED TRIM LEVEL AND SPEC LEVEL. RIGHT. SO THIS IS, IT'S REALLY MORE JUST COLOR RIGHT NOW FOR, FOR THE PERSPECTIVE OF, OF HAVING A VISUAL TO WORK FROM. GOT IT. YEAH. UM, SO DO WE KNOW THE HEIGHT OF THE ACTUAL TREES OUT IN THAT AREA ALONG THAT BUFFER? DO WE, WE WE'RE ESTIMATING 'EM TO BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 40 AND 60 FEET. OKAY. AND THE HEIGHT OF THE TWO STORY BUILDING 37 2 STORY IS, IS 30, 37 AT THE CLEAR. OKAY. AT THE, THE MM-HMM . THAT GATE. OKAY. UM, THE, SO THIS, OBVIOUSLY THIS STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD WITHIN, WE UNDERSTAND. OKAY. OKAY. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. AND THEN, SO THE, THE THREE STORY ITSELF IS THERE, IS IT YOU WALK IN THAT DOOR AND YOU, YOU SCOOT RIGHT UP THE STAIRS? OR IS THERE LIVABLE SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR AT ALL? THERE'S LIVABLE SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A PLAN, UM, THAT WE BUILT OR, OR HAVE DESIGNED, UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE LOW COUNTRY. UM, AND, UH, WE'VE GOT A PROJECT IN HINESVILLE RIGHT NOW, UM, WHERE, UH, WE'RE GOING VERTICAL WITH IT. IT'S WONDERFUL. THE FIRST FLOOR, WHAT IT ALLOWS FOR WITH LIKE TRANSECT ZONING IS WE CAN SPIN THAT FIRST FLOOR, RIGHT? SO IT CAN EITHER BE REAR LOADED OR FRONT LOADED, AND THERE'S LIVING SPACE. UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A BEDROOM DOWNSTAIRS THEN, UH, LIVING SPACE ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND THEN BEDROOMS ON THE THIRD FLOOR. GOTCHA. OKAY. UM, AND THEN IF, IF EVERYTHING WERE TO GO THROUGH, WHEN WOULD YOU EXPECT TO GO, UH, VERTICAL WITH THE BUILDINGS IN THIS, ON THIS PROJECT? DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA? UH, TIMING? YEAH. UH, WELL, IT'D PROBABLY TAKE US TO GET THROUGH WORKSHOP [00:30:01] AND, UM, COUNCIL WOULD PROBABLY BE JANUARY AND THEN WE'D PROBABLY BE, WHAT DO YOU THINK? SIX, SIX TO PROBABLY SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS, UM, TO HAVE PERMITS. AND THEN WE'D PROBABLY HAVE FOUR TO SIX AND I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE JANUARY, FEBRUARY 20, 27, PROBABLY BEFORE WE'D BE BREAK BREAKING GROUND ON GOING VERTICAL. RIGHT. OKAY. SITE DEVELOPMENT, HOPEFULLY THAT'D BE, UH, AUGUST BEST, BEST CASE SCENARIO, SEAN. AFTER, AFTER ALL THE PERMITS GET APPROVED. YEAH, YEAH. YOUR STATE DES AND WHATNOT, ALL YOUR STATE LEVEL PERMITS BEFORE COMING BACK TO THE CITY. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. MR. FOREMAN, MR. FOREMAN, UH, NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. OKAY. SO ONE QUICK QUESTION. OKAY. OKAY. ON THE, UH, FROM THE BACKSIDE, LOOKING AT THIS, THE OPEN SPACE, THE AMENITIES AREA, THE HOUSES THAT WOULD BE CLOSEST TO THE PROPERTY LINE IN THE REAR, THAT WILL DEFINITELY BE TWO STORY AND NOT THREE STORY. UH, IS THAT WE ARE, WE ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT COMMITTED TO, WE'RE ONLY DOING TWO STORY ALONG THE PERIMETER. OKAY. NOW, AND DURING THE LAST MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT THE 50 FOOT FRONT, UM, BEING, UH, WE HAVE DECIDED THAT THAT IS GONNA BE 50 FOOT BUFFER AND NOT, UH, AN IDEA THAT IS GONNA BE AN EXACT 50 FOOT UNDISTURBED BUFFER. UM, IS THAT CORRECT? YEP. THAT THAT'S THE GO AHEAD. THAT'S THE GOAL. THE PROBLEM IS THAT, THAT WE WILL HAVE TO DISTURB A PORTION OF THAT FOR THE TRAIL THAT WE GOTTA BUILD THROUGH THAT MM-HMM . THROUGH THAT AREA. UM, SO THAT, THAT TRAIL HAD TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND CUT DOWN. BUT IT WOULD STAY IN THE 50 FOOT AREA. YES. IT'S 50 FEET. IT, IT'LL EITHER BE THE BUFFER OR THE WALK PATH. CORRECT. WE WOULDN'T TOUCH IT OTHERWISE. OKAY. AS WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME, AND Y'ALL DECIDED TO PUT THE PARKING OF THE AMENITIES, THE OPEN SPACE, THE PARKING WOULD BE, UH, PARKING WHERE YOU COULD PULL RIGHT BESIDE IT IN FRONT OF IT? WE WE'RE PUTTING THAT IN. RIGHT. AND WE, I WANNA ADD MORE, UM, BASED ON THE COMMENTS FROM THE CITY, WE'LL ADD MORE. SO WE'VE GOT BASICALLY THREE DIFFERENT AMENITY SPACES. MM-HMM . WE'VE GOT ONE ON THE SOUTHWEST, ONE ON THE CENTER, AND ONE ON THE, ON THE, UM, THE EAST SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE GONNA ADD MORE PARKING ALONG THAT PIECE. RIGHT. AND WE SHIFTED, I THINK SINCE THE INITIAL YES. SUBMITTAL. SO WE SHIFTED, UM, UH, SENSITIVITY TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT WOULD BE ADJACENT, CLOSEST TO THE PROPERTY LINE TO CREATE. UM, THAT'S A, THAT'S A PASSIVE PARK. THERE WON'T BE BE ANY STRUCTURE THERE THAT'S JUST TO CREATE OPEN SPACE, UM, OUTTA RESPECT, UM, TO THE NEIGHBORS. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, SLIDING THE UNITS OVER, UM, WE CAN STILL MAKE IT, WE'RE WELL UNDER THE, THE DENSITY THAT'S, UH, PROVIDED HERE. RIGHT. SO WE'RE, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM TO BE ABLE TO SLIDE THOSE UNITS OVER TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, THAT CONCESSION. I, I DIDN'T SEE WHERE YOU ADDED ADDITIONAL SPACES AT THE AMENITY. WE HAVEN'T ONCE WE GO TO COUNCIL. WELL, BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT EACH TIME AND I WAS SURPRISED YOU DIDN'T ADD IT. YEAH. WELL, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING NOW THAT YOU'RE GOING AT IT OR? NO, NO. WELL, I MEAN, WELL, I, I'M GONNA HAVE LANGUAGE HERE FOR A CONDITION. I, I, YEAH, YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH. SO, YEAH, SO WE HAVE PARKING SHOWN HERE, PARKING SHOWN, LET ME SEE WHICH ONE IT IS SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE WHAT I'M POINTING AT. SO HAVE PARKING SHOWN ALONG THIS MANY SPACE AND THIS MANY SPACE. AND WHEN WE, WHEN WE GET READY TO GO TO THE, UH, COUNCIL, WE WILL HAVE THIS PARKING SHOWN ON THIS OTHER END. WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A CHANGE BETWEEN WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, WHEN THEY LOOK AT IT, I'M, I'M GONNA ASK, AND I, I THINK THAT MY COLLEAGUES ARE GONNA GO ALONG WITH THIS, THAT, THAT WE MAKE IT A CONDITION. UH, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE EIGHT SPACES THERE AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME. I WAS REALLY SURPRISED YOU DIDN'T ADD IT. I MISUNDERSTOOD. HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT FOR SURE. OKAY. AND, AND THEN THE, THE PAVILION AREA, WE HAD TALKED, UH, ABOUT A FIRE PIT, AND THAT SEEMED TO BE A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR SOME PEOPLE. UM, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS ANY OF THAT AT THIS TIME? IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN REMOVED FROM THE PLAN. UM, THE, UH, UH, RESPECTFULLY, UH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A, A FIRE, UH, ISSUE. RIGHT. THERE'S, UM, THERE'S RESPECTFULLY, WE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S AN ISSUE, BUT IT, IT'S CURRENTLY, UM, UH, BEEN REMOVED FROM THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AS SHOWN. AND, AND I'M NOT GOING EITHER WAY ON IT. I, I, I HONESTLY DON'T SEE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT I DON'T LIVE THERE AND OTHER PEOPLE DO THAT. THAT WOULD BE, THAT'D SORT OF BE OUR POSTURE AS WELL, WHICH IS WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO BE VERY LOW IMPACT HERE WITH, UM, THE, THE WAY THE COMMUNITY SETS UP AND WORKING WITH BRIAN, LIKE THE LAYOUT IS MEANT SUCH THAT AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN, LIKE, UM, THE EAST A PARKWAY, AS YOU'RE LOOKING IN, YOU HAVE DIRECT SIGHT LINES, IF YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK TREES. RIGHT? SO IT'S MEANT TO PRESENT OPEN SPACE, UM, AS WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND THEN MULTIPLE OPEN SPACES IN THERE. [00:35:01] SO PULLING BACK, NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT REQUESTING TO HAVE A POOL, NOT REQUESTING TO HAVE THESE SORT OF HIGH IMPACT NOISE TYPE AMENITIES. UH, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT. GIVEN THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD RESTRICT IT FROM A, UH, A CODE, UM, PERSPECTIVE. UM, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE MORE THAN JUST A, A SINGLE PAVILION BUILDING FOR THIS, FOR THE FAMILIES, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE IN THIS COMMUNITY. YES, SIR. YEAH. OKAY. WHILE WE'RE STILL ON THIS SLIDE. YEAH. BECAUSE HIS, HIS, UM, SOME QUESTIONS HAVE COME UP FOR ME. I WAS NOT HERE LAST NIGHT, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FEEDBACK WAS FROM, FROM THE, FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT MY, MY FEELING IS THAT THERE WAS SOME REALLY PUSHBACK ON THE FIRE PIT. SO MY QUESTION IS, YOU SAY IT'S, IT'S OUT. WHAT GUARANTEE THAT WE HAVE THAT IT'S OUT. I, I WOULDN'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT. WELL, I MEAN, I GUESS, UH, PUSHING BACK A LITTLE BIT, UH, MULTIPLE HOMES, UM, IN AND AROUND THE COMMUNITY HAVE FIRE PITS. THERE'S A, THERE'S A FIRE PIT AMENITY IN MOST MASTERPLAN COMMUNITIES. UM, WE WE'RE NOT AWARE OF THOSE FIRE PITS CREATING ANY SAFETY HAZARDS IN ANY MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY IN, UH, BUFORT OR JASPER COUNTY. UH, SO YEAH, GO AHEAD. I THINK THIS IS THE FIR THE FIRST MASTER PLAN THAT THAT'S COME AT LEAST THAT I AM AWARE OF, THAT'S ASKED FOR A FIRE PIT. THEY ALL HAVE THEM. MOST OF OUR MASTER PLANS HAVE, SIR. YEAH. I'M IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH YOU THOUGH. YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE AMENITIES FOR THOSE PEOPLE, THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE. THEY NEED SOMETHING THERE. AND, AND IT WOULD BE HARD FOR ME TO SEE WHERE A FIRE PIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THE DISTRACT THE SLIGHT DISTRACTION, THAT, THAT MIGHT CAUSE SOMEBODY WOULD GREATLY IMPROVE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. UM, I HAVE A FIRE PIT AND I REALLY ENJOY IT. I HAVE A POOL AND I REALLY ENJOY MY POOL. UM, BUT I WANTED YOU TO AT LEAST ADDRESS IT, UH, OR SPEAK ON IT BECAUSE I, I, I FEEL LIKE IT'LL BE BROUGHT UP THAT, TO SPEAK TO IT, WE WOULD FEEL THAT THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY REASONABLE, UH, UH, PASSIVE AMENITY, UH, FOR WHICH MANY, AGAIN, MANY MEMBERS OF, UH, THE COMMUNITY THAT I LIVE IN HAVE FIRE PITS IN THEIR BACKYARD THAT ARE MUCH CLOSER TO STRUCTURE, UM, AND OR VEGETATION THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE. UM, AGAIN, THAT'S A VERY COMMON ASSET OF MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES, AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S REQUESTING MUCH IN, IN THE INTEREST OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE. RIGHT. THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING. I WAS GONNA, I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, UM, I HAVE A FIRE, FIRE PIT IN MY OWN EYES, SO, YEAH. UM, OKAY. NOW BACK TO THE, THE ELEVATIONS THAT YOU SHOWED US. YES, SIR. OKAY. SORRY. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT. I KNOW. OKAY. THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT YOUR DREAM IS. THIS IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. IT, UH, WELL, UH, THE, THE, THE THE, UH, UH, WE, WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED, UM, LIKE EXTERIOR FINISHES, UM, COLORS. I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT, BUT THE, BUT THE PLANS, I, I THINK WERE, WERE PRETTY WELL COMMITTED. IT WAS OUR INTENT, UM, WITH, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION IN OUR COUNCIL THAT WE WOULDN'T BE VAGUE WITH WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO BUILD. RIGHT. I, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S, I THE HONORABLE AND RESPECTFUL THING TO DO IN THESE ENVIRONMENTS IS TO SHOW WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT WE PLAN TO BUILD. AND AGAIN, THE UNIT, UM, THOSE UNITS ON THE RIGHT, UM, UH, THOSE, UH, THOSE ARE SPECIFICALLY FOR, UM, A LOW COUNTRY SLASH UM, FORM-BASED CODE, UM, APPLICATION. UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE INTEND TO INTENDED TO HAVE A COTTAGE FIELD BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUPER DEEP. RIGHT. SO IT DOESN'T CREATE THE SENSE OF, UM, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE THREE STRUCTURE, IT'S NOT LARGE STRUCTURE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT DEEP. OKAY. YEP. BECAUSE I HAVE, I HAVE SEEN WHERE, OKAY. YEAH, I LIKE THAT. AND THEN WHEN THE FINISHED PRODUCT IS, IS UP, IT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE LOOKED LIKE. WELL, AGAIN, RESPECTFULLY, THE, WE A HUNDRED PERCENT UNDERSTAND WE'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH, UM, A RB. RIGHT. BUT WE ARE NOT, THIS ISN'T A, THIS ISN'T INTENDED TO BE A A, A BAIT AND SWITCHER. THIS IS THIS PRODUCT IN GENERAL. UM, FROM A, THE ARCHITECTURAL SIDE OF IT, THE FLOOR PLANS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH OR A PENDING APPROVAL. THE EXTERIOR FINISHES. I, WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED THAT BECAUSE WE'RE WAITING ON A RB FEEDBACK ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A HOT PINK HOUSE . WE ARE NOT. YOU DON'T WANNA, WE'RE NOT, UH, THE COLORATIONS THAT MAYBE YOU MIGHT SEE IN NEIGHBORING, UH, UH, COMMUNITIES WOULD NOT BE COLORATIONS. WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE GOING WITH HERE. I WASN'T. IT'S MY NEIGHBORHOOD . I WASN'T [00:40:01] . NO. UH, BUT THAT'S, UH, ALSO RESPECT, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THEY'RE GONNA BE THE MORE SUBDUED SIMILAR COLORS. YES. OKAY. YEAH. SO WE'RE, UH, UM, UH, LOUD, LOUD AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD WRITE THAT IN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY INTENT. IF YOU WANTED TO SAY LOUD AND VIBRANT COLORS WOULD NOT BE PERMISSIBLE. WE, WE COULD AGREE TO THAT. YES. , I DON'T WANT NO , NOT GOING THERE. OKAY. UM, FOR RECORD, I DON'T LIVE HERE. REPEAT HOUSES. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? UH, ANY QUESTIONS ON TRAFFIC OR, I'VE GOT SOME TR QUESTIONS FOR TRAFFIC. I THINK WE ALL MIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. HELLO, JACK CONANT WITH KIMLEY HORN FOR TRAFFIC. UM, ONE NOTE, WE WON'T, WE WON'T BE TOO BAD ON YOU . APPRECIATE IT. THAT ONE NOTE CALL MENTION BEFORE GETTING STARTED IS, HANG ON. UM, I DON'T WANT TO SCARE HIM BEFORE HE STOPS . UH, ONE NOTE I'LL MENTION BEFORE GETTING STARTED IS THE NUMBERS IN THE TIA REFLECT, UH, PLANNED FOR 162 DWELLING UNITS, AND SINCE THEN IT'S BEEN REDUCED TO 151. SO, UM, THOSE NUMBERS ARE A CONSERVATIVE ANALYSIS FOR THIS. YOU START WITH JEFF. OKAY. AS I MENTIONED TO MR. FOREMAN, UM, EARLIER AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE WILL HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF A TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT WILL BE PRESENTING TO YOU TO KIND OF GO OVER IN GENERAL TERMS, NOT ABOUT A SPECIFIC PROPERTY, BUT IN GENERAL TERMS ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE TECHNICAL STUFF THAT THEY KNOW THAT WE MIGHT NOT QUITE GET. IS THAT A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT? ? SO JUST TO HELP US UNDERSTAND TRAFFIC STUDIES A LITTLE BETTER. UM, WE SPENT AN AWFUL LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC AT THE LAST MEETING, AND, UM, I THINK IT'S REFLECTIVE OF TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR THIS DEVELOPER, BUT THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA IS HORRIBLE AND THAT WOULD BE TRUE FOR EVERY DEVELOPER IN THAT AREA AND ANYTHING THAT'S TO COME IN THE FUTURE. UM, NOW NOT YOUR FAULT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOUR BUILDING THE TRAFFIC IS JUST TERRIBLE. UM, THE SECOND THING IS, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE REALLY TECHNICAL STUDIES HERE. THIS IS, THIS IS LIKE ME READING A CHEMISTRY BOOK, , UH, I, I HONESTLY WENT THROUGH THIS PAGE BY PAGE. AND ONE THING THAT I CAN REPORT TO YOU IS THERE'S NOT A PAGE IN HERE THAT I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. THERE ARE ABBREVIATIONS THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY MEAN. THERE ARE NUMBERS THAT I DON'T QUITE GET. SO I'M GONNA START WITH A, WITH A MILE HIGH VIEW OF THIS. YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS A RESEARCH ATTEMPT TO TRY TO DEFINE WHAT THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS THERE AND WHAT IT WILL BE THERE UNDER VARIOUS SCENARIOS. SO YOU, YOU, YOU START WITH A NO BUILD CURRENT SITUATION, THEN YOU GO TO, UM, UH, A SCENARIO O OVER FIVE YEARS. AND YOU KNOW, I, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT THIS LAST MEETING TALKING ABOUT WHY YOU CHOSE 5% AS THE FIGURE FOR THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC. UM, I, I REALLY QUESTION THAT, AND I I GET THAT THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY USES. I JUST DON'T GET WHY I DON'T BELIEVE THAT 5% IS REFLECTIVE OF THE TRAFFIC INCREASE IN THAT AREA. AND, UM, IN EACH CASE, WHAT I THINK YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS YOU'RE TRYING TO APPROXIMATE THE, HOW IT WILL AFFECT WHAT YOU REFER TO, WHAT THE INDUSTRY REFERS TO AS A LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND SO IN EACH CASE, JUST SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, YOU WIND UP SAYING THAT TH TH BASED ON THE WAY IT IS TODAY OR THE WAY IT IS IN THE FUTURE, UNDER THIS CIRCUMSTANCE OR IN THE FUTURE UNDER A DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE, HERE'S THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND IT'S, UM, IS, I GUESS IT'S SIX LEVELS OF SERVICE A THROUGH F, A H, F. CORRECT? YEAH. I, I'M NOT SU I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT A, B OR C. UM, YOU KNOW, A IS REALLY GOOD, B IS PRETTY GOOD, C IS ACCEPTABLE, I'M CONCERNED WHEN YOU GET BELOW C MM-HMM . AND, UM, I, HE, I I MADE A LITTLE NOTE HERE. SO C IS DEFINED AS STABLE FLOW. MOST DRIVERS NOTICE SOME RESTRICTIONS, BUT IT'S ACCEPTABLE. MM-HMM . D UNSTABLE FLOW, UH, SPEED AND MANEUVERABLE MANEUVERABILITY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY, UM, I CAN'T READ MY NEXT WORD THERE. THERE'S SLIGHT TRAFFIC INCREASE CAN CAUSE OPERATIONAL PROBLEMS [00:45:02] THAT DOES NOT SOUND GOOD. UH, E SATURATION, UH, DEMAND OR AT OR AT OR NEAR CAPACITY. AND THE FINAL ONE, F IS WHAT THEY WOULD, WHAT THEY CALL FORCED OR BREAKDOWN FLOW THAT'S UNSTABLE, STOP AND GO TRAFFIC LONG QUEUES. THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME. THE LONG QUEUES, UM, DELAYS VOLUME TO CAPACITY RATIO EXCEEDS ONE. WHAT IS THE VOLUME TO, UH, CAPACITY RATIO? SO ESSENTIALLY THE VOLUME TO CAPACITY RATIO, EACH INTERSECTION OR ROADWAY HAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CAPACITY. SO THAT WOULD, IF YOU ARE AT CAPACITY, IT WOULD BE EQUAL TO ONE. SO THE AMOUNT OF VOLUME THAT IT CAN HANDLE WILL BE EQUAL TO WHAT IS ON THE ROAD. OKAY. SO NOW, SO THAT F WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU GET TO A, A, UH, VOLUME TO CAPACITY RATIO ABOVE ONE, THAT MEANS THAT YOU ARE NOW ON A ROAD, YOU'RE NOW DRIVING ON A ROAD THAT IS, THAT IS BEYOND ITS DESIGN CAPACITY. CORRECT. SO WHAT I DID IS I WENT THROUGH THESE THINGS THAT I DON'T COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, BUT I, THE, THE ONE THAT I LOOKED AT MOST CLOSELY IS THE, UM, THE INTERSECTION WITH WILLIAM JASPER, THE BOULEVARD. AND THE REASON I DID THAT IS 'CAUSE I DRIVE THAT OFTEN, AND I AM FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA THERE. AND THERE'S SOME THINGS ABOUT THAT. FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE SCENARIOS AT THAT, AT THAT INTERSECTION. AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER INTERSECTIONS TOO, BUT THREE AT THAT INTERSECTION THAT ARE ABOVE THE VOLUME TO TWO CAPACITY RATIO OF ONE MEANING WE ARE, WE WOULD BE ACCEPTING A TRAFFIC FLOW THAT YOU PREDICT WILL BE BEYOND THE DESIGN CAPACITY OF THE ROAD. I MEAN, I'M, I, I'M TROUBLED AT THAT, IT SEEMS TO ME NOT KNOWING, NOT BEING AN EXPERT ON THIS, THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TRYING NOT TO DO. MM-HMM . . AND SO SORT OF REWINDING A LITTLE BIT, UM, BACK TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE GROWTH RATE. UM, SO THAT'S ALL BASED OFF OF SC DOT COUNT STATION DATA. SO WE LOOK AT PAST YEAR'S DATA AND HOW IT'S BEEN GROWING RECENTLY, AND THAT'S HOW WE GET THE PROJECTED GROWTH RATES FOR THAT, UM, FOR THE EXCESSIVE, OR LIKE THE VOLUME TO CAPACITY RATIOS THAT ARE EXCEEDING ONE. UM, SOMETIMES THAT IS UNAVOIDABLE IN THE PEAK HOURS BECAUSE, AND THAT IS ALSO ALL THESE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING IN, THESE JUST REFLECT THOSE TWO HOURS OF THE DAY THAT WE'RE ANALYZING. THOSE ARE BASICALLY THE WORST CASE SCENARIO THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE DAY. UM, SO THAT'S NOT AS MUCH OF A CONCERN. AND THEN ALSO SOME MINOR STREETS, LIKE IF YOU'RE ON A BUSY ROAD AND THEN YOU'RE JUST TURNING OFF OF A LOW VOLUME ROAD, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A TON OF PRIORITY THERE. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THOSE FS SITUATIONS BECAUSE, UM, THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE PRIORITY TO GO. AND THEN ALSO, ONE OTHER THING I'LL NOTE IS IT IS REFERENCED IN THIS ANALYSIS IS THE ARJUN BOULEVARD CORRIDOR STUDY. SO IMPROVEMENTS RECOMMENDED BASED OFF OF THAT, CAN PROVIDE A, A LOT BETTER OPERATION, UM, FOR THAT CORRIDOR WITH SIGNALS AND ADDITIONAL TURN LANES TO IMPROVE OPERATIONS AND CAPACITY. AND, AND I WANNA, I WANNA, I'M, I'M KEEPING IN MIND, I BEGAN BY SAYING, THIS IS NOT THIS DEVELOPER'S PROBLEM. I MEAN, YOUR, YOUR DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T CREATE THIS PROBLEM. NOT THE ONE NEXT TO YOU, NOT THE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT ALL OF THEM TOGETHER CREATE THIS PROBLEM. AND FRANKLY, THAT WAS A PROBLEM BEFORE, BEFORE THESE DEVELOPMENTS. SO I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS NOTION THAT WE HAVE NOW GONE THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS TO LABEL THIS CONDITION AS THE ONE THAT WE NEVER WANT TO GET TO, BUT, BUT WE GOT TO IT. WE'RE THERE NOW. SO I MEAN, I, THAT, THAT'S TROUBLESOME. YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU YOU'RE TELLING US WELL, IT IT'S NOT THAT WAY ALL DAY. WELL, YEAH, IT'S NOT THAT WAY WHEN THE TRAFFIC LIGHT. YEAH. IT'S ONLY THAT WAY WHEN THE TRAFFIC'S HEAVY, BUT THE TRAFFIC IS HEAVY. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN I USED TO USE THAT ROAD A LOT AND I WOULD GO OUT THERE, I WOULD ALWAYS THINK TO MYSELF AS I SAT THERE TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN ACROSS TRAFFIC AND THERE'D BE TWO OR THREE CARS IN FRONT OF ME. AND WHAT I WOULD THINK TO MYSELF IS THE LONGER WE SIT HERE, THE BRAVER WE GET, AND YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE THAT TURN WHEN WE FIRST MOVED UP HERE. BUT SOME, SOME OF YOUR STUDY HERE INDICATES THAT IN SOME CASES PEOPLE WILL SIT THERE FOR MORE THAN 300 SECONDS IN A QUEUE. YES. SO THAT'S A LONG TIME. THE EVALUATION METHODOLOGY, WHEN IT GETS TO THAT RANGE, IT DOES BREAK DOWN WITH, UM, LIKE THE ASSUMPTIONS AND DIFFERENT VARIABLES. SO ONCE YOU GET TO THAT RANGE, IT'S SORT OF JUST THEORETICAL AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY WELL, OKAY, BUT, BUT, BUT THAT'S ALMOST FIVE MINUTES. YOU GET VERY BRAVE AFTER FIVE MINUTES AND TOO BRAVE. I MEAN, THAT, THAT, THAT IS A CONCERN. I REALLY, I REALLY, UM, [00:50:02] AT, AT THE LAST MEETING, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN WHO STOOD UP AND TALKED FROM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS. UM, HIS NAME WAS MR. LEWIS. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S HERE TODAY OR NOT, BUT HE MADE A POINT THAT I THOUGHT WAS REALLY AN INTERESTING POINT. I THOUGHTED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT. H HIS, HIS POINT WAS THAT, THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY DIDN'T REALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE TERRIBLE TRAFFIC ON SOME OF THE OTHER ROADS. 2 78, 1 70. AND WHEN THEY GET BAD, UM, IT TENDS TO MAKE ORIGIN EVEN WORSE. MM-HMM . THAT'S NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION HERE. THIS STUDY IS BASED ON ONE DAY IN MARCH, A RANDOM DAY IN MARCH, AND MR. LEWIS IS RIGHT. IF THAT DAY IN MARCH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DAY IN MARCH WAS LIKE THERE, BUT IF THAT DAY IN MARCH WAS LINKED YESTERDAY ON 2 78 WHEN THINGS WERE WAY BACKED UP, THAT THE, THE TRAFFIC ON ORIGIN GETS MUCH, MUCH WORSE THAT DAY IN MARCH DIDN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT I'M GONNA REFER TO AS SEASONABILITY, WHICH SIMPLY MEANS WE'RE RIGHT NEXT TO A BIG RESORT COMMUNITY. AND MARCH IS NOT THEIR HIGH SEASON. IF THIS WAS A HIGH SEASON FOR HILTON HEAD, IT WOULD BE BUSIER THAT DAY. IT DOESN'T TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. IT DOESN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, BAD WEATHER AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I'M THINKING, COULD WE, IT COULD ACTUALLY BE WORSE THAN THE STUDY SHOWS. I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE RESEARCH PROBLEMS THAT IT SEEMS TO BE WITH THE, WITH THE STUDY. AND WE'RE, SO WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE SOMETHING NOT BASED ON THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT ISN'T SO BAD WHEN THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, I GET THAT. BUT NONETHELESS, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOW ACCEPTING A PLAN THAT IN AND OF ITSELF SAYS THAT SOMETIMES THE ROADS ARE NOT SUFFICIENT TO THIS TRAFFIC. SO YEAH, THE ONLY THING I'LL SPEAK TO ON THAT IS, UM, WE DO HAVE ESTABLISHED WINDOWS WHERE WE CAN COLLECT TRAFFIC COUNTS BASED OFF OF THE SEASON AND WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO BE A TYPICAL DAY. YEAH. BUT THIS, BUT THIS STUDY ISN'T BASED ON THAT. YEAH. THE DAY MARCH. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL, WELL THOSE ARE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS I HAVE WITH THE TRAFFIC AND, UM, NOT YOUR PROBLEM, BUT I THINK IT IS A PROBLEM. UM, SO IT DOES THE, THE BUILD OUT AND I, I, I PROBABLY SPENT MORE TIME READING THE TRAFFIC STUDY, SAME THING. AND THERE WAS A LOT OF ACRONYMS AND STUFF THAT I HAD TO PUT IN AND, AND SEARCH THROUGH TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT IT MEANT AND THE RATING SYSTEMS. AND I APPRECIATE, UM, STAFF'S HELP WITH GETTING US SOME, UH, TRAFFIC EXPERT NEXT, UM, NEXT MEETING. BUT, SO I'M, I'M LOOKING AT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT NUMBERS, RIGHT? SO I EVEN, I EVEN CALLED DOTI WAS LIKE, HEY, WHERE ARE THESE NUMBERS COMING FROM? CAN YOU POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION? GOT TO IT, DOWNLOADED ALL THESE DIFFERENT REPORTS FROM 2020 ALL THE WAY UP TO 2024 THAT WAS AVAILABLE. SO WHERE DO YOU GUYS GET THE 5% ANNUAL GROWTH RATE? WHERE DO YOU PULL THAT NUMBER FROM? BECAUSE I'VE GOT A COUPLE DIFFERENT SORT THINGS THAT I, I SAW, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SEE WHERE YOU GUYS GET OR WHERE YOUR COMPANY GETS THAT NUMBER. SO S-C-D-O-T HAS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE COUNT, COUNT STATION DATA, SO MM-HMM . WE PULL THOSE COUNT STATIONS FROM THE AREA TO ACCOUNT FOR THE GROWTH AND WE LOOK AT PREVIOUS YEARS AND JUST CALCULATE OUT, UM, WHAT WE EXPECT IT TO CONTINUE TO BE. OKAY. SO, UM, UH, I WAS CHALLENGING A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS. SO 5% SEEMED CONSERVATIVE IN SOME, IN SOME THINGS THAT I WAS LOOKING AT. UM, AND THEN IT WAS, UM, GIVEN JASPER COUNTY'S RECENT 3% PLUS AND CORRIDOR LEVEL 6% GROWTH, WOULD A SENSITIVE SENSITIVITY TEST AT LIKE SEVEN TO 10% BE MORE APPROPRIATE? SO KIND OF THINKING, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT, WOULD IT MAKE MORE SENSE BECAUSE AT THE CURRENT 5% GROWTH LEVEL, UM, THAT, UH, INTERSECTION GOES, IS IT A C NOW? I THINK IT'S A C NOW GOES TO AN F FOR, FOR BUILD OUT FOR 2030. ALONG WITH, I MEAN, SO MANY OTHER CORRIDORS, UH, ARE ARE GO TO AN F BY 2030 AS WELL. SO IT JUST MAKES THE, THE ENTIRE TRIP. AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT GOING INTO IT. UM, BUT I, I KNOW THERE'S SOME ROAD IMPROVEMENTS GOING ON IN ARGENT AND Y'ALL, THE DEVELOPMENT FEES GO TOWARDS HELPING, UM, COVER THE COST OF SOME OF THE, THE THAT. BUT YOU GUYS ARE NOT, YOUR, YOUR COMPANY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE OR THEIR, Y'ALL COMPANY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING ANY OF THE, UM, STOR UH, STORAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR TURNING INTO PARKWAY. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE. UM, OKAY. I THINK I'VE GOT THAT QUESTION ANSWERED. ALRIGHT. UM, LET'S SEE, WITHOUT THAT, STAFF HELPED ME WITH A COUPLE OF THESE QUESTIONS EARLIER. I WAS JUST WANTING TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND SOME OF THEM. UM, OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY BIGGEST, I KNOW, UM, MR. FOREMAN ASKED A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD AS WELL. SO THE BIGGEST THINGS ARE OBVIOUSLY TRAVELING [00:55:01] THESE ROADS EVERY SINGLE DAY. UM, I MEAN, A LOT OF US HAVE TO USE WASTE TO GET AROUND THE CITY TO KNOW WHICH WAY IT'S LIKE, OH, WHY ISN'T IT TAKING ME DOWN ARGENT, SOMETHING MUST BE GOING ON IN ONE 70. SO THEN GOING AROUND, 'CAUSE YESTERDAY THINKING THAT IT BEING A, A FEDERAL HOLIDAY TRAFFIC WOULD BE LIGHT. IT WAS NOT LIGHT, WHICH WAS VERY INTERESTING. SO, UM, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY CONCERNS. THAT WILL ALWAYS BE ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS TRAFFIC JUST BECAUSE THE INDUSTRY THAT I'M IN, THE AMOUNT OF ACCIDENTS THAT WE HAVE, UM, IN THIS AREA, AND YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THE LONGER YOU STAY, THE BRAVER YOU GET. YES. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I LOVE HOW YOU MADE THAT COMMENT. YES, YES. THANK YOU. UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE, WE PUT IN OUR STAFF REPORT, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UM, HEARD AGAIN, IS THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE A THIRD PARTY TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT DOES REVIEW THIS AFTER THEY MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATION AFTER THE APPLICANT DOES AND GIVES THAT INFORMATION BACK TO THE CITY. UM, SO IT'S NOT THAT IT'S, WE'RE JUST TAKING ONE TRAFFIC ENGINEER'S REPORT, WE'RE PUTTING IT THROUGH, THROUGH ALL KINDS OF, UM, STEPS AND, AND PROTOCOL. SO, UM, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT IS AM I, AM I COVERING THAT TOPIC VERY WELL? KATIE AND I WORK WITH, I KNOW KATIE GOT TO MEET WITH YOU. I UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T GET TO MEET WITH YOU. I GOT TO MEET WITH MR. FOREMAN. SO, UM, YEAH, THE ONE THING I'LL ADD IS, UH, WHEN WE SEND IT TO OUR THIRD PARTY ENGINEER, UM, IT, IT'S THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PAY FOR THAT. SO IT'S NOT COMING OUT OF ANY OF THE CITY BUDGET. UM, AND ALSO WE, WE GET A, UM, MEMO GENERATED FROM THAT ENGINEER THAT DOES THE REVIEW ON OUR BEHALF. AND SO NOT ONLY IS STAFF LOOKING AT IT, BUT THAT ENGINEERS LOOKING AT THE TECHNICAL STUFF THAT WE MAY NOT COMPLETELY BE CERTIFIED TO BE REVIEWING. UM, AND THEY'LL GIVE COMMENTS ON POINT BY POINT, BUT THEY'LL ALSO GIVE SOME NEXT STEPS, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT COMES BACK THEN AND PROVIDES US. SO BY THE TIME IT GETS TO THESE MEETINGS, WE, WE DO KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY A NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND, UM, THOSE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD. SO, AND AS YOU'VE ALL MENTIONED, A LOT OF THE RESPONSIBILITY THEN FALLS BACK ON THE BIGGER PICTURE. UM, THE STATE, THE CITY, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT FEES, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS GOING ON OUT IN THAT AREA. UM, WE HAVE THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT AT ARGENT AND, UM, EAST SERGEANT PARKWAY. IT'S NOT COMPLETED YET. THAT IS JUST A TEMPORARY FIX TO TRY TO GET US THROUGH SOME OTHER THINGS. THERE'S A MUCH BIGGER PROJECT GOING ON WITH ARJUN BOULEVARD, SO WE JUST WANNA KNOW THAT THAT NOWHERE IS THE CITY TAKING THIS AS, UM, JUST BECAUSE ONE DEVELOPMENT'S COMING IN, WE, WE, OH, WELL. UM, IT'S A BIGGER PROJECT, SO THANK YOU. I, I THINK, I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE DO HERE, UM, IS THE SAFETY OF, OF, OF OUR CITIZENS SHOULD BE EXTREMELY HIGH ON OUR PRIORITY. AND 2 78 IS TIED TO THE HIP TO EXIT EIGHT. UM, YOU DON'T, I DON'T HAVE TO READ THAT STUDY TO KNOW THAT HOW HARD IT IS TO EVEN GET OFF OF THERE IN THE MORNING. WHEN YOU SEE THE DE WHEN YOU SEE THE EMERGENCY LANES BEING USED AS DECELERATION LANES, UM, YOU, YOU CAN START GETTING AN IDEA OF HOW BAD IT IS. ON TOP OF THAT, I SEE FIRSTHAND THE ACCIDENTS THAT OCCUR WEEKLY HERE. AND MR. FOREMAN, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING UP THAT BECAUSE THE LONGER YOU SIT THERE, THE, THE EASIER IT IS FOR YOU TO HAVE TO MAKE A MISTAKE. UM, THE THE AVERAGE PERSON THAT THAT WORKS IN THIS COMMUNITY, THE, THE MORE TIME YOU PUT THEM INTO TRAFFIC, THE LESS THEIR QUALITY, THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE GOES DOWN AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE HAVE TO GET UP AND LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE AND UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE GOING. AND WE, WE ARE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND, AND, AND, AND THEN IT GOES ON AND, AND OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, UH, MAKE THE DECISIONS. AND AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE HAVE TO START FIGURING THE, THE QUALITY OF LIFE IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US. AND IF WE DON'T START NOW, IF WE, EVEN IF THIS PROJECT GOES THROUGH, WE HAVE GOT TO START LOOKING AT, WE, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH REVENUE COMING IN, WE'VE DONE ENOUGH IN THE PAST TO WHERE OUR ROAD, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD BE GETTING, SHOULD BE GETTING FURTHER ALONG. AND IF WE DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING, WE CAN'T SAY, WELL, LET'S JUST DO THIS, THIS, AND THIS, AND WE'LL HAVE MORE MONEY TO DO THAT. WE'VE DONE ENOUGH, UM, WE'VE BROUGHT ENOUGH IN, WE'VE GOTTA REALLY START PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. UM, OR, OR, OR WE'RE JUST, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE HILTON HEAD. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU KNOW THAT WORK THAT, THAT WORK ON HILTON HEAD BY THE TIME YOU TAKE THAT HOUR THERE AND THAT HOUR EIGHT, YOUR EIGHT HOUR SHIFT TURNS TO A 10 HOUR SHIFT OR YOUR NINE HOUR SHIFT TURNS TO 11 EVERY DAY, WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTA START [01:00:01] PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS. UM, THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH NOT JUST THIS ONE. AND I AGREE THIS ISN'T BROUGHT ON BY THIS PROJECT, BUT INCREMENTALLY, EVERY JOB, EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS, IT'S 5% HERE, 5% THERE WE'RE ALREADY, THE WAY I SEE IT, WE'RE ALREADY IN A BAD WAY RIGHT NOW. UM, SO WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REALLY START MAKING HARD DECISIONS. THAT'S IT FOR NOW. OKAY. UM, ECHO BOTH, UH, JEFF AND, AND, AND RICK, I TOO, 'EM CONCERNED WITH SAFETY, BUT I'M LOOKING AT IT, I MEAN, THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT AT THE 10,000 FOOT LEVEL. I'M LOOKING AT IT AT THE 40,000 FOOT LEVEL. WE GOT CONSTRUCTION GOING ON IN 95, THAT'S GONNA BACK TRAFFIC UP. OH, WELL, TRAFFIC'S BACKED UP AT 95. I'M GONNA TAKE 17 SEVENTEEN'S BACKED UP, OR I'M GONNA WORK MY WAY AROUND 2 78. OH, THAT'S BACKED UP. I'M GONNA HEAD DOWN HYDROGEN. I'M, I LIVE IN A COMMUNITY THAT WE FINALLY GOT WIDENED LEFT TURN LANES. I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO BECAUSE SINCE THAT HAPPENED, WE'VE HAD TWO SERIOUS ACCIDENTS THERE IN THE LAST, LAST WEEK. ONE WAS A, A ROLLOVER AND THE ONE THIS MORNING, I, I JUST HOPE THAT THE PEOPLE WALKED AWAY. I SAW IT COMING OUT. UM, I DON'T, I I, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER AND, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TRAFFIC STUDIES HAVE THE ANSWER. I MEAN, AND, AND, AND LIKE JEFF SAID, IT'S, IT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM. IT'S EVERYBODY'S PROBLEM. AND I AGREE WITH RICK, WE'VE GOTTA TAKE A REAL HARD LOOK AT WHAT'S BEST AND SAFE FOR THE CITIZENS OF HARVILLE. UM, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT. TRUST ME, I'M NOT SURE THAT WITH THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT ARE GOING IN HERE AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO IT BE COMING OUT, AND I FORMERLY BELIEVE, I MEAN, IF SOMEONE'S GONNA LEAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA TURN LEFT AND GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ONE 70. THEY'RE GONNA GO TO ARGENT AND THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT AND YEAH, OKAY. THERE'S A LIGHT THERE. BUT LIKE JEFF SAID, YOU SIT THERE LONG ENOUGH, YOU TAKE CHANCES AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, I, I CAN'T SAY THAT. WELL, I, IIII JUST FEEL THAT, UM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I, I GET TO DO WHAT I FEEL IS BEST FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY. SO, HEY, WHAT THING I WANNA ASK YOU IS THAT THE, THE TIA HAS, I MENTIONED LAST TIME ABOUT THE 5%, WHICH WERE THERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 5% GROWTH. I THINK WE CLARIFIED THAT, BUT THE TIA ALSO HAS ALL OF THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON IN EAST ARMY. IT'S ALREADY, THAT'S ALREADY INCLUDED IN THAT YOU WEREN'T HERE LAST WEEK. WE SPOKE TO THAT. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 2000 HOMES BEING BUILT UP ON THE NORTH SIDE. THE RIVERTON POINT IS STILL CONTINUING TO BUILD OUT. THOSE NUMBERS ARE INCLUDED IN HERE. THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S NOT GONNA MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WITH MY CONCERNS FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS. YEAH. I THINK THINK THE, THE BIGGER PICTURE IS, AND WE'VE UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING IN THIS AREA SINCE, YOU KNOW, 2014 OR SO OR WHATEVER, UM, DOING WORK IN THIS AREA, THE, THE THING THAT WE'VE CONSTANTLY BEEN TRYING TO, UM, MANEUVER AROUND AND DETERMINE IS, IS ONE FOUR, UM, ARGENT BOULEVARD, 1 41 AND 2 78, THOSE ARE DOT ROADS. AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AND A LOT OF, LOT OF MEETINGS AND A LOT OF, A LOT OF THINGS DISCUSSED ABOUT HOW TO, HOW TO BA BASICALLY BE ABLE TO NEED TO, TO THE SPEED LIMITS NEED TO CHANGE, DO THEY NEED THE ROAD NEEDS TO BE WIDENED, THOSE THINGS. AND THOSE ARE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS THAT NEED TO, WHAT'S THE SPEED LIMIT ON 2 78? UH, I WHAT IS IT? FAST? YEAH. FAST. IT, THE, THE 60 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT THAT'S POSTED IS A SUGGESTION. YEAH. I LIVE IN, IN ONE OF THE COMMUNITIES OFF 2 78 MM-HMM . AND WE HAVE A TRAFFIC LIGHT. AND IF I'M COMING OUT TO TURN LEFT AND THAT LIGHT TURNS GREEN FOR ME, I DON'T GO. SO LIKE I SAY, I, I, I, MY, MY, MY CONCERN IS FOR SAFETY. UM, AND YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU FOLKS HAVE DONE A, A, A BANG UP JOB WITH YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY. UM, BAR WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING . I JUST, I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY, UM, THIS IS SUCH A, AN IMPORTANT AND HUGE ISSUE AND, AND, UM, THERE ARE THINGS GOING ON WITH ARGENT AND 2 78 AND THE, UM, AND THE 1% SALES [01:05:01] TAX THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE BY JASPER COUNTY AND SOME OTHER THINGS GOING ON. THERE ARE PLANS GOING ON, UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT AN INSTANT FIXED, BUT I DO WANT TO KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL AND UM, ADMINISTRATION, WE ARE ALL TAKING THIS VERY SERIOUSLY AND WORKING WITH OUR SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST OUR PROBLEM. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND SAFETY HAS TO START WITH US. SO THANK YOU. SO BEFORE WE DO PUBLIC COMMENT, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A BREAK. SHOULD WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? CAN YOU GET MY WALKER? YES, I CAN. [01:11:30] TO PUBLIC COMMENT. I'VE GOT, UH, ONE THING. OH, IF, IF I MAY. UM, CAN YOU PLEASE, UH, STAFF, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE NEXT STEPS OR PROCESSES, HOW MANY MORE MEETINGS THERE WILL BE BEFORE FINAL DECISION IS MADE ON THIS? ABSOLUTELY. SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE REVIEWING THE, UM, INITIAL MASTER PLAN, WHICH, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RIGHTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. UM, IT'LL GO TO AT LEAST ONE COUNCIL WORKSHOP FOLLOWED BY A MINIMUM OF TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AT CITY COUNCIL. ALL OF THOSE MEETINGS WILL HAVE, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT ONCE THIS GETS, IF IT GETS APPROVED, UM, THE NEXT STEP IS TO GO TO STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR FULL ENGINEERING REVIEW. AND THAT'S WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL THE TECHNICAL DETAILS. BUT THERE'S A MINIMUM OF AT LEAST THREE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOLLOWING THIS MEETING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. AND, AND COUNSEL COULD ALWAYS CALL FOR ADDITIONAL WORKSHOPS AS NEEDED TO SAY. CORRECT? YES. THANK YOU. WELL, UH, QUESTION WE, WE COULD SAY THAT WE STILL WANT MORE INFORMATION AND WANT THEM TO COME BACK. SO IT COULD BE ANOTHER MEETING HERE. YES, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT, YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL ON THIS MATTER. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO, UM, TABLE IT AND TO A DATE CERTAIN. SO WE KNOW EVERYONE KNOWS WHEN THAT DATE IS GOING TO BE. YOU'RE GONNA HEAR IT AGAIN. AND ALSO TO, UM, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL OR MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO. ITS, COUNSEL STILL HAS THE ULTIMATE DECISION ON THIS. OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENT. AND I, I WANNA REMIND YOU OF THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT INSTRUCTIONS FROM EARLIER. SO COME TO THE MIC. UM, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. IN THE, SORRY. THE IS THE TIME. YEAH, THE TIME IS UP THERE. IT'S UP THERE. THANK YOU. I MS. ASHLEY. YEAH. GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS JOHN RUGI. I LIVE AT 1661 LAUREL OAK AVENUE. UH, I HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT I'M GONNA GO OFF SCRIPT HERE SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THIS FIRST PART WENT. UH, MR. FOREMAN, IN MY 50 YEARS IN THE BUSINESS AS AN URBAN DESIGNER PLANNER, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A PUBLIC OFFICIAL BE SO PRECISE ABOUT COMMENTS ON A TRAFFIC STUDY. SO I WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU PUT INTO IT AND THE WAY THAT YOU PRESENTED IT. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, I'M GONNA BE VERY SIMPLE. UH, YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, BUT REALLY WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS. FIRST AND FOREMOST, I'LL SPEND THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TIME ON IS TRAFFIC SAFETY. BUT I'M GONNA GO TO THE MICRO LEVEL. YOU DID A GREAT JOB AT THE MACRO LEVEL. THE MICRO LEVEL IS REALLY SIMPLE. COMING DOWN THAT ROAD, GOING SOUTHBOUND AT THE SUN CITY WEST EXIT AND THE RIVERTON POINT ENTRY, EXIT TRUCKS GO FAST, LOTS OF CARS, VERY, VERY BAD SIGHT [01:15:01] LINES ALREADY. EVEN WITH THIS. AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO ADD 150 UNITS, AND WE ALREADY HAVE, LET'S SAY A BUILD OUT 900 UNITS, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY COME UP WITH 5% IN MY MATH THAT I LEARNED IN SCHOOL. THAT'S LIKE ABOUT 21%. OKAY? SO THAT'S MY FIRST COMMENT. THE SECOND COMMENT IS, UH, BUFFER. OKAY? I HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU THREE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVE PLANS. AND THE REASON WHY I CAN DO THAT IS BECAUSE I'VE DONE THIS FOR 50 YEARS. I'VE DONE HUNDREDS OF THESE PLANS. THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE HERE ABOUT THE BUFFER AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE SITE PLAN ITSELF. WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH DEVELOPING AFFORDABLE AND, UH, THESE KINDS OF TOWN HOMES, ALRIGHT? LIVE, WORK TOWN HOMES. ABSOLUTELY NOT, WE'RE NOT HERE FOR THAT. BUT WHAT WE ARE HERE IS TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT THAT THAT WILL HAVE ON OUR PROPERTY. AND THE REASON WHY IT HAS IMPACT IS BECAUSE THE SITE PLAN IS INEFFICIENT. THE SITE PLAN JUST SHOWS THE BUILDING ON GREEN WITH A LOT OF DRIVEWAYS AROUND IT. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I JUST SAW THOSE, UH, TOWNHOUSES AND THEY HAVE TUCK UNDER GARAGES. THOSE UNITS, THOSE PROPERTIES SHOULDN'T BE MORE THAN 50 FEET DEEP. IF YOU PUT THESE UNITS TOGETHER IN A LOGICAL FASHION AND YOU HAVE THREE OPTIONS THERE THAT ARE VERY LOGICAL, THE SITE PLAN BECOMES MORE EFFICIENT. OKAY? NOW WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU CAN GET 150 TO 160 UNITS ON LESS PROPERTY. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT DEVELOPERS COME IN AND THEY STRIP OUT TREES, AND THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN HERE IN 95% OF THE PROPERTY. WE ALSO HAVE A WATER ISSUE ON THE BACK OF THAT PROPERTY, AND CHRIS NEWBURN WILL STEP UP HERE AND DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU MOMENTARILY. WE HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH STORM WATER COMING OFF OF THAT PROPERTY AND ONTO THE BACKS OF SOME OF THE RIVER AND POINT PROPERTIES. WE ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT, UH, GOOD MORNING, UH, CHRIS NEW LIVE AT 6 22 RIVERTON POINT BOULEVARD. AND RUSTY POINTED OUT EARLIER, UH, MY PROPERTY IS THE CLOSEST TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. AND SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION. THE, UH, PRESENTATION YOU HAVE THERE, A NUMBER OF SLIDES. I'M GONNA GO THROUGH 'EM RATHER QUICKLY. YOU ASKED FOR SOME PICTURES. I ACTUALLY HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS IN THIS SO YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AND PLEASE STOP ME AND ASK QUESTIONS. UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, ON SLIDE NUMBER TWO, THE DEVELOPER'S PROPOSING A 25 FOOT BUFFER. UH, THE MINIMUM, IF YOU WILL, REQUIRED THERE, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION THAT TOLL WAS GIVING 50 BEHIND MY PROPERTY. AND THEN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSING 25. SO THAT'S THE 75 FEET OF UNDISTURBED PROPERTY. BUT WITH VEGETATION THERE, YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THROUGH IT ON SOME OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS THERE. WE FEEL THAT BUFFER'S INADEQUATE AND NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS WE GO FORWARD. ON SLIDE NUMBER THREE, THE MAJOR CONCERN IS THE GOLF CART PATH BETWEEN HOLES FIVE AND SIX. AS YOU CAN SEE IN SLIDE NUMBER THREE, THERE IS NO NATURAL VEGETATION THERE, BUT LET'S GO ONE STEP DEEPER. IF YOU TURN TO SLIDE NUMBER FOUR, YOU CAN SEE THAT I DID MY OWN LINE OF SIGHT STUDY, TAKING SOME INSPIRATION FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN PREVIOUSLY, SPENT A DOLLAR 50 AT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DOLLAR STORE, GOT SOME BALLOONS, WENT TO THE PROPERTY LINE, STEPPED BACK 25 FEET, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE THERE. THAT'S THE 25 FOOT BUFFER ZONE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. OH, AND WHAT DO YOU SEE FROM THERE? MY HOUSE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, CLEAR LINE OF SIGHT. NOT A FANCY STUDY, BUT I THINK VERY, VERY EFFECTIVE AT MAKING THIS POINT. LET'S GO ONE STEP FURTHER ON SLIDE NUMBER FIVE. IF YOU GO AND YOU LOOK AT MY, YOU KNOW, UH, MAKESHIFT, YOU KNOW, LINE OF SIGHT STUDY PAST THOSE BALLOONS TO THE TREE LINE. SO IF WE GO FROM THE NEW SKY PROPERTY LINE TO THE TREE LINE, 65 FEET IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, YOU GOT THREE STRUCTURES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. EVEN IF YOU GIVE 65 FOOT BUFFER, THERE IS NO NATURAL BARRIER THERE. WE MIGHT AS WELL PUT A WALKWAY TO THE NEXT COMMUNITY SO I CAN GET TO KNOW MY NEW NEIGHBORS, WHICH I DON'T MIND BY THE WAY. LASTLY, IN THE FINAL MINUTE THAT I HAVE HERE ON SLIDE NUMBER SIX, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE, UH, IF SANE AREA, THIS IS THE CART PATH AREA. UH, RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE IS THE LOWER PICTURE. DRAINAGE IS A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN IN THE LAST 11 YEARS. THE LOW COUNTRY AREA HAS HAD TWO 1000 YEAR STORM EVENTS. NOW THE LAST ONE BEING HELENE IN 2024. NOW, IF YOU LIVE IN THE LOW COUNTRY, THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS YOU NEED TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH THAT SHRIMP AND GRITS AT DINNER, SWEET TEA TO WASH IT DOWN. AND THE BIG STORMS THAT YOU'RE GONNA SIT ON YOUR PORCH AND WATCH IS GOING TO HAPPEN. NOW, WHAT I WANT TO DO AND PROPOSE IS THAT THE DEVELOPERS RECOGNIZE THOSE ARE FACTS [01:20:01] OF LIFE. TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. 'CAUSE TOLL HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO SOLVE IT THEMSELVES UNLESS DON'T EXACERBATE THE PROBLEM. AND IF YOU NEED TO REDESIGN TO MAKE SURE THIS HAPPENS, LET'S DO THAT. 'CAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, ANOTHER STORM'S ON THE WAY, YOUR APOLOGY IS APPRECIATED. BUT THAT DOESN'T HELP PAY THE BILL WHEN REPAIR, WHEN REPAIRS ARE NEEDED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING. I HOPE I DON'T USE MY THREE MINUTES 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE REPETITIVE OF ANYONE ELSE. I RESPECT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ALL THE COMMENTS I HEARD ON TRAFFIC. TRAFFIC IS MY CONCERN. AND I APPRECIATE MR. FOREMAN'S CONCERNED ABOUT HOW BRAVE YOU GET. LAST WEEK WE WENT TO SEE YOU CAN'T TAKE IT WITH YOU AT SUN CITY. AND SO WE ARE COMING, MAKING A RIGHT AT OIL, GOING FOR THE YIELD SIGN OF RIVE POINT. WE GET TO THE INTERSECTION OF EAST AR AND AR. THAT LEFT HAND TURN LANE IS ALSO THE STRAIGHTFORWARD THROUGH LANE THAT IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THE OTHER THREE SIDES OF THE INTERSECTION. SO THE PRACTICAL EFFECT OF WHAT GOES ON NOW IS THAT A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS ON NEW RIVER, NO THROUGH CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, THEY'RE TRYING TO GO THROUGH. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF BIG VEHICLES, THEN YOU'VE GOT DRIVEN RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC COMING AT THAT LEFT HAND TURN LANE. SO IT'S ALL HOW BRAVE YOU GET AS DE VISTA TALBOTS COME, COME AND MADE OF WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA GO AROUND THEM TO TRY TO GO THROUGH OR YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO STICK, GET OUT AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THE LEFT TO GET WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. NUMBER TWO, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE DON'T REALLY RECOGNIZE WHAT WILL EAST ARGENT BE TO ME. EAST A WILL BE ANOTHER A, IT IS ANOTHER ANGLE THAT YOU CAN TAKE. I PLAY A FAIR AMOUNT OF GOLF, SO I GO UP TO PLAY A SEC SUCCESSION, I'M GOING TO USE EAST ARGENT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA CUT A BETTER ANGLE FOR ME TO GET UP TO BUFORT AND IT'S GONNA GET ANOTHER ANGLE. AND IT'S ANOTHER ANGLE FOR PEOPLE COMING FROM BUFORT TO GET TO 95 IF THEY'RE GONNA GO SOUTHBOUND. MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE PEOPLE IN, UH, BUFORD IS THEY GO NORTH. IF THEY'RE GOING NORTH ON 95, THEY COME DOWN TO EIGHT IF THEY'RE GONNA GO SOUTH TO GET TO THE AIRPORT. SO I FEEL THAT THIS IS JUST ANOTHER SHORTCUT NOBODY'S BEEN ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO ME. AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY HAVE CALLED EXACTLY WHAT THE SPEED LIMITS ARE RIGHT NOW. WHEN I COME IN OFF A ONTO EAST A MY CAR TELLS ME AT CERTAIN POINTS IT'S 25 MILES AN HOUR AT ANOTHER POINT IT BECOMES 45 MILES AN HOUR COMING OUT OF THE COMMUNITY. THERE'S ONE SIGN THAT SAYS 45. I'M ALREADY FEELING ON EAST A A FEELING OF COMPETITIVENESS. THE COMPETITIVENESS THAT I FEEL ON 2 78, WHICH IS COMING OFF NEW RIVER TO MAKE THE LEFT TURN BY THE COLLEGE THROUGH THE MEDIAN. IS THAT THE BEST THING I CAN DO RIGHT NOW IN MY APPROACH IS TO MAKE THE LEFT GO TO ONE 70 AND USE THE, THE IDEA DOWN THAT IT JUST SEEMS THE LEAST RISKY THING TO DO. AND I KNOW THE ROAD SAYS IT'S CLOSED. SO I'VE, I'VE HIKED BACK ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE HUNT CLUB, WHICH I GUESS IS THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT. WHAT STRIKES ME ABOUT THAT IS THEY'RE GONNA COME TO HARDY VIEW SCHOOLS. SO THEY'RE GONNA BE USING EAST SERGEANT AND I'VE SEEN SWATS OF LAND. THANK YOU. THAT ARE CLEAR CUT. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING IN THERE, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BRING TRAFFIC. THANK YOU. AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE COMMENTS ON TRAFFIC. THANK YOU AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THANK YOU. THE NEXT MEETING ON TRAFFIC. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ARE WE ALLOWED TO JUST ASK A QUESTION? YEP. OKAY. COME TO THE MICROPHONE. UH, PAM ROT, SUN CITY NORTH. UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN TO OTHER MEETINGS, SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS PROBABLY ALL KNOW, BUT MY FIRST QUESTION, WELL, MY FIRST ISSUE IS OF COURSE THE TRAFFIC. BUT MY FIRST QUESTION IS WHAT ARE THE PROPOSED SALES PRICES FOR THE COTTAGES AND THE TOWN HOMES? MY SECOND QUESTION IS, ARE THERE INCOME RESTRICTIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BUY THEM? THAT'S IT. UH, UH, SO PENDING, UH, ERIC GOLDSMITH, MCIN HOMES AGAIN. SO, UH, PENDING AR AR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, THAT WILL DICTATE OUR SPEC, WHICH WOULD DICTATE PRICING. SO PRICING HERE COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM THREE 50 TO $800,000. WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T WORKED THROUGH A RB YET. UM, FROM A, UH, THE SECOND QUESTION AS FAR AS, UM, UH, INCOME RESTRICTIONS, WE, I, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD ENGAGE THAT, SO, OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ALL YOU WANT? OH, [01:25:01] , YEAH. JOHN, JOHN MCEE IN, UH, SUN CITY WEST. SO, UH, COUPLE QUESTIONS. ONE, JUST TO AMPLIFY ON, UH, THE, THE 5% ASSUMPTION, AGAIN, I THINK THE, UH, THAT EAST ORIGIN AREA, WAS IT 30,000 HOMES GOING IN YET? OR IS IT A TOTAL NET OF 30? NO, NO, NO, NO. THAT WHOLE, THAT WHOLE GREEN AREA, WHAT, HOW MANY, HOW MANY UNITS IS THAT? UM, IT IS A MAXIMUM OF 9,500 HOMES. BUT, UM, THAT'S THE WHOLE THING. THAT'S THE ENTIRE THING. AND THAT IS DEPENDENT UPON WHETHER THEY CAN FIT ON THERE BEING MEAN, WETLANDS AND OTHER THINGS. THAT'S JUST A, AN OVERALL POTENTIAL. MM-HMM . COOL. APPRECIATE IT. SO, SO ANYWAY, IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD TO VISUALIZE. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD LIKE, SEE 'EM IN THE GIS SYSTEM. IT WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO, SO THAT RECOMMENDATION MIGHT BE IS JUST TO TRY TO VISUALIZE THAT AREA A LITTLE BIT BETTER. WE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S USING, BUT THE CITIZENS ACTUALLY DON'T SEE EVEN THE EXISTING, UH, PARCELS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED SO FAR. LIKE YOU, SOME OF THE SUN CITY STUFF DOESN'T SHOW UP IN THE GIS SYSTEM TO THE PUBLIC. HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS ARE SEEING IT ALL AND CAN DO BETTER ANALYSIS. BUT, UM, AND THEN THE ENGINEERING STUDIES, UH, FOR TRAFFIC IS REALLY ABOUT THE 5% ASSUMPTION JUST BASED ON EVEN 9,500 POTENTIAL HOMES IS GONNA BE LIKE, OKAY, HOW, HOW DOES THAT GET DIALED INTO, HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO 5%? NOT SURE. AND THEN THE LAST GENTLEMAN ACTUALLY MADE A GOOD COMMENT ABOUT, UH, THROUGH TRAFFIC. SO, SO AGAIN, A LOT OF BEHAVIORS ABOUT TRAFFIC FROM, UH, ONE 70 FLOWING ON THE STREET ONCE IT'S A THROUGH STREET, 45 MILES AN HOUR. THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF WASN'T SURE ABOUT WHETHER EAST ORIGIN IN THAT AREA REPRESENTS IT, THE CURRENT STATE OR THE FUTURE STATE. IS IT DIVIDED? NOT, BUT, BUT AGAIN, THE OTHER COMMENT WAS LIKE ACCELERATION HEADED TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY ACCELERATION LANE AND THEN REENTRY LEFT HAND TURN OFF OF EAST ORIGIN. WHAT'S THE IMPACT THERE? I DON'T REALLY SEE IT. AND, AND AGAIN, DOWN AT THE NEW RIVER AREA, HE'S SPOT ON. THE LEFT HAND TURN ARROW, THERE'S MESSED UP. SO, SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO AMPLIFY AND CONNECT THE DOTS ON SOME OF THOSE AND, AND APPRECIATE LIKE BETTER VISUALIZATION IF WE COULD TO SEE ALL THESE THINGS COMPOSITE IN THE GISI DON'T UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC PLAN ON EAST ORIGIN AND ALL BASED ON WHAT I SAW TODAY. AND, AND I KNOW IT'S HARD FOR YOU GUYS. YOU PROBABLY HAVE IT ON THE BACK OF YOUR EYEBALLS. YOU DO A LOT OF GREAT WORK. WE DON'T APPRECIATE IT. THANKS. THANK YOU. I I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT. WE, BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD 2, 2, 2 PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THROUGH TRAFFIC, THAT'S NOT YOU, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT. SO WE CAN'T HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE FOR THROUGH TRAFFIC. SO, UM, OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? AYE, GOOD MORNING. UH, DENNIS WILKINS, 1248 LAUREL OAK AVENUE, RIVERTON POINT. UM, MY COMMENTS ARE RELATED TO, TO, TO THE BUFFER. UM, IT WAS, UH, IT'S INDICATED THAT A A 25 FOOT, UH, BUFFER BY PART OF THE, THE, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER. AND, UM, THAT'S A DISTANCE FROM, PRETTY MUCH FROM ABOUT YOU FOLKS TO, TO THE BACK WALL HERE. AND WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU CUT INTO A FOREST LIKE THAT, THE GROWTH ON THOSE TREES IS, IS CLEAR UP AT THE TOP OF THE TREE. SO IT'S UP AT THE, AT THE 40 60 FOOT HEIGHT. UM, THE ONLY SCREENING OR VISUAL SCREENING THAT'S, THAT'S DOWN LOW WHERE THE HOMES ARE GONNA BE BUILT ARE THE TREE TRUNKS THEMSELVES. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE FROM YOU TO THAT BACK WALL, THERE'S, THERE'S VERY LITTLE ACTUAL SCREENING THAT'S LEFT. SO A BUFFER AND A, AND A AND A SITE PLAN LIKE THIS LOOKS NICE, BUT WHEN YOU'RE ON THE GROUND, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S QUITE DIFFERENT THAN THAT AND APPRECIATE THAT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED. UM, AND THERE WAS COMMENT ABOUT KIND OF, THAT WILL BE FOREST OVER TIME, BUT THAT'S A LOT OF TIME AT THE, AT THE EDGE OF THE FOREST, UH, LIKE THIS. AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THIS HAS HAPPENED ELSEWHERE. IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME, A DECADE OR MORE, UH, FOR THAT TO REGO. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU FOLKS TO, UM, JUST DO WHAT YOU CAN DO ON BEHALF OF THE, THE RESIDENTS IN TERMS OF THE BUFFER AND THE VISUAL SCREENING FROM FROM DAY ONE. THANK YOU. THAT WAS ACTUALLY A QUESTION I HAD FOR STAFF ON MONDAY, SO THEY CAN ADDRESS THAT. UM, AB ABSOLUTELY, UM, THANKFUL FOR THAT, THAT QUESTION. UM, ONE THING WE'VE DONE A LOT RECENTLY IN A NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENTS AND, UM, SOME OF IT STARTED AT PLANNING COMMISSION. SOME OF IT'S CARRIED FORWARD AT AT CITY COUNCIL AFTER MANY DISCUSSIONS IS DEVELOPING AN UNDERSTORY GROWTH THERE, UM, WITHIN THAT BUFFER, ASKING THEM TO REPLANT THINGS. UM, WE STAFF HAS A LIST THAT WE'VE USED IN LATITUDE BECAUSE OF THE MORGAN TRACK. WE'VE USED IT IN OTHER PLACES FOR VERY SIMILAR REASONS. UM, IT CAN BE AS SIMPLE AS WE'VE MENTIONED, THOSE WAX MYRTLES OR SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE THERE VERY NA NATIVE GROWING, NATURAL GROWING UNDERSTORY, THINGS THAT CAN BE ADDED TO THAT BUFFER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS, UM, MORE OF A LIVING FENCE. ANYONE ELSE? [01:30:04] I WROTE OUT MY COMMENTS HERE. UH, MY NAME IS JAMES CRAFT AND I'M HERE WITH MY WIFE TERRY. WE LIVE AT 7 0 8 RIVERTON POINT BOULEVARD. UH, AND OUR HOME IS DIRECTLY IMPACTED WITH THIS CHANGE IN THIS BUILD OUT HERE ON EAST ORIGIN PARKWAY. FIRST I MUST ADDRESS THE, THE, UH, AND, AND JUST SOME CONCERNS WE HAVE AS RESIDENTS, UM, WHOSE PROPERTY WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS CONSTRUCTION. WE WERE NOT GIVEN, UH, UH, WHICH I THINK IS REQUIRED NOTIFICATION ABOUT THIS PROJECT, WHICH WE HAVE NOT BEEN A PART OF THIS PROCESS. AND TO THIS, WE'RE VERY NEW TO THIS 'CAUSE WE NEVER GOT ANY NOTIFICATION. UM, AND THIS WILL FUNDAMENTALLY IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY AT RIVERTON POINT, ALONG WITH ALL MY NEIGHBORS. RIVERTON POINT ISN'T JUST ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD IN HARVILLE, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. IT HAS BECOME A STANDOUT DESTINATION FOR NATURAL BEAUTY AND EXCELLENCE AND WHO WE ARE, UM, OF OUR GOLF COURSES HAS GARNERED NATIONAL ATTENTION WITH HOSTING BOTH COLLEGIATE AND PROFESSIONAL, UH, TOURNAMENTS. THIS ISN'T MERELY ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES TO US. UH, IT'S ABOUT PRESERVING HARDY VIEW'S LANDMARK THAT BRINGS RECOGNITION AND VISITORS TO OUR CITY THAT WE ARE PROUD OF. UH, AND THAT WE JUST MOVED HERE A YEAR AGO. THE PROPOSED 25 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN OUR HOMES AND THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD DEVASTATE THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF THIS CANOPY THAT WE HAVE THERE. UH, THAT DEFINES THE COMMUN, UH, THE COMMUN THE COMMUNITY'S CHARACTER. THESE, UH, MATURE TREES AREN'T JUST VEGETATION TO US. UH, THEY'RE A LIVING BARRIER THAT MAINTAINS TRANQUILITY AND ENVIRONMENT INTEGRITY AND MAKES RIVERTON POINT VERY, VERY SPECIAL. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR SPECIAL TREATMENT. THAT'S WHAT I DON'T, I DON'T HEAR ANY OF THAT. I JUST, I THINK WE JUST WANT CONSISTENCY, UH, IN WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN OUR, THE BUILD OUT. THE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE GOLF COURSE ON, ON, ON, ON SEVENTH, UH, WAS REQUIRED AN 80 FOOT BUFFER. UM, THIS PRECEDENT, UH, PRECEDENT RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVING BOTH THE AESTHETICS AND ENVIRONMENT QUALITIES OF OUR COMMUNITY AT RIVERTON POINT. WHY SHOULD THE STANDARD BE DIFFERENT ON THIS PROJECT? REPRESE POINT REPRESENTS A QUALITY OF LIFE THAT ATTRACTS PEOPLE TO HARDY BUILD. THIS MARQUES COMMUNITY EMBODIES OUR CITY'S COMMITTEE, UH, COMMITMENT TO LOW DENSITY NATURAL CONSERVATION, DARK SKY COMPLIANCE, AND THOUGHTFUL PLANNING. THAT'S WHAT IT REPRESENTS. THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE. THE HIGH DENSITY RENTAL UNIT WILL, THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD. WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING NEW, UH, WILL GENERATE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC, FUNDAMENTALLY ALTERING CHARACTER OF THIS AREA. WE SUPPORT RESPONSIBLE GROWTH IN HARDY. WE KNOW IT'S HAPPENING. PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE. I'M ONE OF 'EM, INCLUDING DIVERSE HOUSING. OPTION IS ESSENTIAL. HOWEVER, DEVELOPMENT SHOULD ENHANCE, NOT DIMINISH OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE FOLLOWING THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR TODAY. THAT BUFFER IS HUGE FOR US BECAUSE THAT DIRECTLY HITS OUR HOME AND WE WOULD LOVE TO KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THAT ENVIRONMENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? GOING ONCE, TWICE. OKAY, WE TAKE A VOTE, UN ENTERTAIN A MOTION. SOMEONE , I KNOW YOU HAD CONDITIONS. NO MOTION. I, I'M CONCERNED WITH THE, THE, THE BUFFER. UM, THE LIVING BUFFER IS A GREAT CONCEPT. UM, I THINK THAT, AND I THINK THAT WE COULD PROBABLY GET TO THAT WITH THE, UH, BUILDER. UM, I KNOW, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT REQUIRED, I THINK IN, IN THIS INSTANCE, YOU MIGHT REALLY WANT TO LOOK HARD AT THAT. THE, THE PINES ARE EVERGREENS AND THEY'RE GONNA STAY GREEN, BUT THE LOWER SECTION IS NOT, BUT THE, UM, THE WAX MYRTLES WILL, WILL DO VERY WELL, UH, IN THERE. WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IT PERFECT FOR THE NEIGHBORS OF ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT WE DO, BUT WE CANNOT EXCLUDE, WE CAN'T SAY THAT THE LAST DEVELOPMENT WILL ALWAYS BE THE LAST DEVELOPMENT. YOU, YOU NOW GET TO ENJOY ALL THE, UH, THE FORESTS THAT ARE AROUND YOU TODAY BECAUSE THEY, THEY ARE FOR SALE AND THEY, AND, AND THOSE PEOPLE DO HAVE RIGHTS ALSO. UM, BUT THE, THE SAFETY IS, IS A BIG THING TO ME. I KNOW YOU CAN GET THROUGH THE, THE BUFFER AND I, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DO THAT. UM, UM, CAN'T, I DON'T THINK I CAN MAKE YOU, BUT I, I CAN ASK YOU TO DO THAT. UM, BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE IT'LL BECOME MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT. BUT THE, IT'S GONNA, THIS IS A HARD ONE BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY, UM, ME RUNNING RECORDS AND I SEE, UH, JUST HOW DEVASTATING, UH, THIS HAS BECOMING. I'VE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE AND, AND IT'S DANGEROUS TO GO DOWN 2 78. IT'S DANGEROUS TO WORK ON THE [01:35:01] SIDE OF IT. UM, AND, AND NOW WE'VE GOT EIGHT YEARS OF, OF, OF, UH, I 95, UH, PROBLEMS THAT ARE GONNA COMPOUND, UH, OUR FUTURE. UM, SO THIS IS GONNA BE A HARD ONE. AS FAR AS ARE, ARE, ARE WE ALLOWED TO PUT CONDITIONS, THE QUESTION OF STAFF? ARE WE, SO AS FAR AS CONDITIONS, LIKE CAN WE SAY THAT THE ARGENT, UH, ROAD WORK OR THE, THE, UM, SORRY, LET ME, THE ARGENT BOULEVARD CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THAT ARE MENTIONED IN THE TIA, CAN WE MAKE A CONDITION THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN COMPLETED BEFORE THEY GO VERTICAL? IS THAT, UM, I, I THINK YOU CAN MAKE A, A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. I, I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THAT. I, BECAUSE I JUST SAID THAT WE HAVE DONE, COUNSEL HAS DONE THAT IN THE PAST FOR SOME DEVELOPMENTS, AND I THINK MAYBE MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO GET STAFF AND THE ENGINEERS TO FUR FURTHER REVIEW IT RATHER THAN BE BEING PRECISE TODAY. OKAY. UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS THEY CAN CARRY ON WITH THEIR CONSTRUCTION OR LIMIT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC. WE'VE ALSO, UM, ASKED FOR CERTAIN THINGS LIKE NO COS NO CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY UNTIL CERTAIN THINGS ARE ARE STARTED. UM, THERE'S ANOTHER DIFFERENT LEVELS BASED ON DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT'S WHY I DON'T WANNA GIVE YOU SPECIFICS TODAY, BUT I THINK IF YOU PUT IN, UM, YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL THAT THEY THOROUGHLY, THOROUGHLY HASH THIS OUT, THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST WAY TO WORD IT FOR YOUR COMFORT. SO, AND THEN GO, GO AHEAD KATIE. OH, AND I WAS GOING TO ADD TO, UM, RICHARD'S POINT. YOU ASKED IF YOU COULD, UM, PUT IN, YOU COULD PUT IN A CONDITION, A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY HAVE BOTH OVER STORY AND UNDERSTORY PLANTINGS IN THE BUFFER THAT WAY. STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE CAN, WHEN THEY REVIEW THE DETAILED ENGINEERING PLANS AND THE LANDSCAPE PLANS, UM, WE'LL HAVE THAT FULL TREE SURVEY. WE'LL KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE. WE ALSO GO BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND DO OUR INSPECTIONS WHILE DURING THAT PROCESS. SO WE'LL SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE. UM, AND WE CAN REQUIRE, WE'LL HAVE MORE OF THE ABILITY TO REQUIRE THAT, UM, DENSER BUFFER DENSE, MORE DENSE BUFFER. AND THAT WOULD BE DONE ON EASEMENT. THE EASEMENT. THAT IS THE, YEAH. UH, THE, THE SEWER MAIN THAT'S THERE. THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED. I DON'T THINK IT CAN BE. YEAH, I DON'T EITHER. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, NO, I'M JUST, I'M, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THAT ONE OTHER THAN WE CAN TRY TO MINIMIZE IT OTHER WAYS. YEAH. SO, SO WHAT I'VE HEARD IS TRAFFIC CONCERNS. I'VE HEARD THAT, UM, UNDERSTORY AND OVERSTORY BUFFER AND I HEARD THE, UM, EIGHT GUEST PARKING SPACES. WHAT I HAVE IN MY NOTES, I, I HAVE LANGUAGE FOR THREE CONDITIONS THAT WE COULD CONSIDER. LET ME JUST, YEAH. CAN I MAKE COMMENT FIRST? SURE. OKAY. I WAS VERY SURPRISED WHEN I SAW THE PHOTOGRAPHS WITH THE GROWTH BECAUSE I COULD SEE THROUGH THE PINE TREES, I COULD SEE HOUSES THROUGH THE PINE TREES. SO IF I COULD SEE HOUSES FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE THROUGH THE PINE TREES, THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR HOUSES. SO YEAH, I I HOPE THAT, UH, I DO. THAT'S ONE OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, JEFF. HERE ARE THE THREE CONDITIONS. I, NO, NO PRIDE OF AUTHORSHIP HERE, ANYBODY THAT CAN PROVE THIS. BUT, UH, THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, AN ADDITIONAL EIGHT PUBLIC PARKING SPACES BE PROVIDED AT OR NEAR THE PROPOSED AMENITY AREA, UM, TO PROVIDE ACCESSORY, GUEST GUEST PARKING AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THE PROPERTY. CONDITION NUMBER TWO, REQUIRE DEVELOPER TO INCLUDE AN ENFORCEABLE PLAN FOR AN UNDERSTORY BUFFER TO COMPLIMENT THE CURRENT TREES AND OTHER NATURAL GROWTH. AND THREE, THE DEVELOPER, UH, DEVELOPERS AGREED TO ROAD IMPROVEMENTS BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE PROJECT GOING VERTICAL. MAYBE THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO SAY THAT. UM, THAT DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS ALL THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE, BUT THOSE ARE THREE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT IF WE WANT TO PROCEED WITH THIS, THAT, THAT THOSE WOULD AT LEAST BE THREE THINGS WE COULD DO. I'M STILL CONCERNED WITH TRAFFIC, BUT YEAH, I'M STILL WAITING FOR A MOTION. , SOMEONE , I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS GOES TO HARDY COUNSEL, UM, BASED UPON THE, THE, THE BACK HOMES BEING TWO STORY, NOT THREE, AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS LISTED MINUS THE, THE, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE SEWER LINE. AND I KNOW A LOT OF THOSE PICTURES WERE TAKEN THROUGH THAT, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO A WHOLE LOT WITH THAT. BUT I, I, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE LET THIS GO TO HARVILLE 'CAUSE IT'LL GO TO WORKSHOP FIRST BEFORE IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL. SO, SO THE MO MOTION IS, UM, CONSIDERATION OF INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR PASO 0 6 7 DASH [01:40:01] ZERO DASH ZERO ONE DASH 0 4 2. UH, THE REC, THE MOTION IS APPROVAL, UM, PENDING THE, UH, THREE CONDITIONS. TRAFFIC WAS PART OF THAT CONDITION, RIGHT? YEP. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND THE, THE CONDITIONS LISTED. UM, OKAY. CAN DO I HAVE A SECOND? I, I'LL I'LL SECOND THE MOTION, UM, BASED ON ALL THAT, SO IT CAN GO FORWARD AND THE COMMUNITY CAN STAY INVOLVED IN THIS. I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD STUFF BROUGHT UP BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD THIS MORNING. I'M GOING TO CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE. I'LL START WITH MAGNAN. AYE JEFF, I'M GONNA ABSTAIN RICK. AYE, I TOO AM GONNA ABSTAIN. WELL, THEN THAT DOESN'T PASS. UM, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR, UM, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO, FOR THE ABSTENTION, SOME KIND OF, UM, REASONING AND EVERYTHING FOR THE RECORD SIRS. I DON'T WANNA SAY NO, I DON'T WANNA SAY NO BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO STIFLE DEVELOPMENT, BUT I AM DEEPLY, DEEPLY CONCERNED WITH TRAFFIC AND THE SAFETY OF, OF OUR CITIZENS. UM, IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING THAT THIS MOTION HAS FAILED, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A NEW RECOMMENDATION, A NEW MOTION. WELL, I, I, I, I'LL, I'LL CHANGE MY VOTE TO, TO I TO, TO MOVE THE THING FORWARD. BUT I DO HAVE, I, I AM NOT AT ALL, UM, SANGUINE ABOUT THE I ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ISSUE. I, I MEAN, I'M TORN BECAUSE I REALIZE THAT IT IS NOT THIS DEVELOPER'S FAULT. IN FACT, I THINK THEY'VE BEEN REALLY GOOD DEVELOPERS. THEY'VE REALLY BEEN TRYING TO, TO COME UP WITH THESE, UM, ACCOMMODATIONS. I, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO, IF WE TURN THIS DOWN BECAUSE OF OUR TRAFFIC CONCERNS, WE'D BE ESSENTIALLY SAYING, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY MORE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE ANY MORE DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA ADD TO THIS. AND THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT MY POSITION. BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S VERY TROUBLING. BUT I WILL CHANGE MY VOTE TO POSITIVE, UM, HEARING THAT. UM, I DON'T WANT TO STIFLE DEVELOPMENT, BUT I I WOULD LIKE TO, OH MAN, THIS IS, IS DIFFICULT FOR ME. I I'M NOT GONNA LET MY PERSONAL FEELINGS INTERFERE. I, I'LL VOTE. I ALSO THANK YOU. SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE RECOMMENDATION QUESTIONS THREE CONDITIONS, RIGHT? YEAH. AND WE WILL, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT AND, AND ALL AND CONCERNED, INTERESTED PARTIES ARE AWARE OF THE DATES ON ANY WORKSHOPS AND THE POTENTIAL COUNCIL MEETINGS AND ALL NOTIFICATIONS WILL BE SENT OUT AS ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OH, THAT WAS A TOUGH ONE. YEAH. THIS MADE IT SO MUCH HARDER. YEAH, THAT, THAT CHANGED MY MIND. WELL, THAT'S THE SEWER LINE. I HAD TO FIND THE CLICKER. OH, HERE SHE COMES. OH, SORRY. BRAIN TRUST. THANK YOU. I WAS LOOKING ALL OVER FOR IT. OKAY. APOLOGIZE. YOU HAD TO CHASE THE CLICKER. I STILL GOT A FEW PEOPLE HERE. OKAY. [01:45:01] UM, THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTED TOGETHER. OKAY. UM, IS PINTAIL CREEK PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND INITIAL MASTER PLAN. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION OF IT. SORRY, IT'S A LITTLE BLURRY ON THE SCREEN, BUT SPEEDWAY BOULEVARD IS HERE. PERRYSBURG ROAD IS HERE. UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF THE, UM, FORMER PINTAIL CREEK 18 COURSE GOLF COURSE. UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE RIVERPORT PARKWAY HERE IN THE RIVERPORT DEVELOPMENT. JUST SOME PHOTOS OF WHAT EXISTS OUT THERE TODAY. UM, IT'S KIND OF JUST GROWN UP SINCE THE GOLF COURSE SHUT DOWN. UM, AND YOU HAVE SOME PICTURES. THIS IS PINTAIL CREEK DRIVE HERE. THERE'S SOME RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES HERE. UM, THIS IS THE INTERSECTION OF PINTAIL AND PERRYSBURG LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT INTERSECTION. AND THEN THIS IS UP FROM NEAR THE CHURCH THAT'S ON PERRYSBURG, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF THE PROPERTY. THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN HERE SHOWS THE PROPOSED LOCATION LAYOUT ACCESS POINTS FOR THE, UM, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S 111 ACRES. UM, CURRENTLY AN UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY. UM, THE FORMER GOLF COURSE IS ZONED RURAL PRESERVATION. THERE ARE TWO PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL AND ONE PARCELS ZONED COM COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. THAT'S THE PARCEL THAT'S DIRECTLY UP ON SPEEDWAY BOULEVARD. UM, THE PROPOSED USES CONSIST OF LIMITED INDUSTRIAL AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL, WHICH COULD BE, UM, COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL USES. UM, THE LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THAT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT IS A VERY BENEFICIAL PRODUCT CONSIDERING THE POTENTIAL TAX REVENUE GENERATED FROM THE OPERATIONS AND THE COST OF PROVIDING SERVICES TO THOSE, UM, TO THOSE USES. AND I APOLOGIZE, THE NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE A LITTLE WORDY. I'M NOT GOING TO READ EVERY WORD ON 'EM, BUT COULDN'T REALLY GET AROUND IT. . UM, SO THE LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS SPECIFICALLY TO ANNEXATION REQUESTS. UM, THIS IS LOCATED INSIDE THE ANNEXATION BOUNDARY. UM, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A DONUT HOLE TO FILL IN, UM, IN THE CITY. AND, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE CITY SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER POTENTIAL IMPACTS, UM, TO ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS, QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, AND OTHER RELEVANT, RELEVANT ISSUES TO ENSURE THE PROTECTION OF THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND PUBLIC WELFARE WHEN MAKING THESE DECISIONS. AND WHILE YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY REVIEWING THE ANNEXATION, I WANTED TO PUT THIS IN HERE BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND, WHEN YOU'RE, UM, CONSIDERING ZONING, UM, ALSO DUE TO THE, UM, PROXIMITY TO BOTH THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY AND THE RESIDENTIAL PARCELS THAT ARE ESPECIALLY ALONG PINTAIL, UM, DRIVE STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THAT GUIDELINES BE WRITTEN INTO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT HELP, UM, WITH THE HEIGHT AND SCALE OF THE BUILDINGS, KIND OF LIKE YOU DID WITH PLEASANT BROOK IN THE LAST APPLICATION, UM, AND PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY. THESE ARE NOT DIRECTLY IN THAT GATEWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY, HOWEVER, UM, IT, IT IS CLOSE. SO, UM, AND THEN TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT, UM, RECOMMENDS CITY REQUIRE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN PARCELS WHEN, WHEN APPROPRIATE. UM, ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS WE ASKED WHEN WE SAW THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS, WHY AREN'T YOU CONNECTING TO RIVERPORT PARKWAY? UM, THEY HAVE SINCE PUT IN POTENTIAL FUTURE CONNECTIVITY TO RIVERPORT PARKWAY. UM, AND THEN WE WOULD NEED TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE RIVERPORT DEVELOPERS TO SEE IF THAT COULD HAPPEN. UM, THE LAND USE ELEMENT AND THE NATURAL RESOURCES ELEMENT, UM, STATE THE IMPORTANCE OF OPEN SPACE IN THESE DEVELOPMENTS. THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PROVIDES A MINIMUM OF 25% OPEN SPACE AND A MINIMUM OF 8.33 ACTIVE OPEN SPACE. UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS A, IS UNIQUE TO THIS PDD BECAUSE IT IS AN INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL, UM, DEVELOPMENT. THEY HAVE ADDED BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN TRAILS AS WELL AS, UM, EMPLOYEE PICNIC AREAS. THOSE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN TRAILS, UM, ARE AVAILABLE. THEY'RE O IT'S OPEN, SO, UM, THAT COULD BE AN AMENITY FOR THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA. UM, THERE ARE SOME PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE TREE PRESERVATION AND REPLACEMENT SECTION G IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS STRIKING THAT AND FOLLOWING THE MZDO FOR PRESERVATION OF, UM, ANY SIGNIFICANT TREES. UM, WE WILL REVIEW THE DETAILS DURING STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE, IF ANY EXISTS OUT THERE. UM, AND THEN THEY'RE PROPOSING A 50 FOOT BUFFER FOR THE PERIMETER [01:50:01] OF THE PD DD UM, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THAT SOME, UM, SOME LANGUAGE BE ADDED TO PREVENT ADVERSE IMPACTS TO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. IF, UM, THIS APPLICATION DOES PROCEED FORWARD, UM, AGAIN, BASED ON THE STANDARDS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STAFF, IF YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL, WE, WE, UM, RECOMMEND THAT YOU INCLUDE HEIGHTENED SCALE AND GATEWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY PROVISIONS. UM, STRIKE THE TREE PRESERVATION PROCESS CHANGES, AND MAKE SURE THAT THE SCREENING AND BUFFERING IS ADEQUATE SO THAT IT DOES NOT, UM, PREVENT ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS TO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. AND AT THIS TIME, I WILL INTRODUCE, UM, NATHAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND ADD ANYTHING AND INTRODUCE YOUR TEAM. THE LASER IS, YOU HOLD DOWN THIS TOP ONE. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. GOOD MORNING. NATHAN STIR, CIVIL ENGINEER AND LAND PLANNER FOR THE PROJECT. WE ALSO HAVE THE TEAM FROM OMEGA HERE WHO, UM, IS THE, THE CONTRACTOR FOR THE PROJECT. AND THEY CAN SPEAK TO THE USE OF THE PROPERTY, THE CONSTRUCTION PHASING, AND ANY KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE FOR THE, FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. UM, THE ONLY THING I WANT TO ADD TO WHAT KATIE SAYS, SHE DID A GREAT JOB PRESENTING OUR PROJECT HERE. UM, THE BUFFERS ARE 50 FEET AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL PIECES, AND THEY'RE 25 FEET AGAINST THE RIVERPORT COMMUNITY, WHICH IS A, A SIMILAR USE. AND, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE. OKAY. UM, OKAY. SO, UM, THE QUESTIONS I HAD WAS ON THIS. IT SHOWS A NEW CURB CUT BEING CUT IN FOR THAT RESIDENCE. UM, INSTEAD OF THEM GOING ON PERRYSBURG DRIVE, IT HAS A, A CURB CUT ON 17. YES, SIR. SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS, WAS THAT WHAT THE RESIDENT HAD ASKED FOR OR IS THAT, THAT CAME FROM S-C-D-O-T AND THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PLANNED, UM, AHEAD OF TIME. OKAY. AND, AND THEY'VE ALREADY PROVIDED A CURB CUT LOCATION FOR THAT, SO WE JUST MIRRORED WHAT THEY HAD ALREADY APPROVED. OKAY. I, I WAS CURIOUS. I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS SOMETHING THE RESIDENTS WAS LIKE, HEY, CAN YOU DO THIS FOR ME AND ? NO, SIR. THAT CAME FROM THE STATE. OKAY. SO THEN THEY WILL ESSENTIALLY WILL HAVE TWO WAYS TO GET INTO THEIR PROPERTY FROM THE BURG AND THEN FROM, OR ARE THEY GONNA CLOSE OFF THE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA CLOSE IT OUT RIGHT NOW THEY CUT ACROSS OUR PROPERTY, THE PRO DEVELOPED PROPERTY, SO WE WOULD REMOVE THAT CROSS CUT ONTO PERRYSBURG AND THEY WOULD JUST HAVE A DEDICATED AS ACCESS OFF OF 17. OKAY. GOT, YEAH. MY ONLY CONCERN WAS THERE WAS THREE CURB CUTS. RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DISTANCE IS. NO, SIR. WE'RE, AND, AND YOU CAN SEE WE'RE TRYING TO OPEN UP THE, THE MOUTH AT PERRYSBURG TO HELP WITH THAT TURN FOR THE LARGER TRUCKS. UM, IF YOU GO ON GOOGLE AERIAL RIGHT NOW, YOU'LL SEE A TRUCK TRYING TO MAKE THAT TURN. AND IT'S, IT'S NOT EASY. SO WE ARE TRYING TO HELP . THERE'LL BE BE ONCE, ONCE, I MEAN, ONCE THE, UM, THE PARKWAY IS COMPLETED, THEN THERE'LL BE, UH, BURG GETS CLOSED. SO THERE'LL BE NO NEED FOR BIG TRUCKS TO GO THAT WAY RIGHT AT THE END OF PAVEMENT. IT'LL BE CLOSED FROM THERE ON OKAY. BY THE CHURCH. GOT IT. OKAY. JUST NORTH OF THE PROPERTY. RIGHT. GOTCHA. UM, THE, UM, SO AS FAR AS, SO YOU'RE PROPOSING TWO DIFFERENT ACCESS POINTS, UH, WHEN THE, UM, RIVERPORT PAR PARKWAY GETS PUT IN, IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, UM, OUR TEAM BASED ON, UM, REQUESTS FROM THE COUNTY HAS, HAS PUT IN SIGNIFICANT E EFFORT TRYING TO COORDINATE WITH THE RIVERPORT GUYS, OBTAIN AN EASEMENT FROM THEM. AND WE'VE REALLY JUST HIT A BRICK WALL. AND SO, UM, IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, WE FEEL THE CITY WOULD NEED TO GET INVOLVED. WE MET WITH MR. GRUBER AND HE SEEMED TO THINK THERE WAS SOME THINGS HE COULD DO TO TRY TO HELP PUSH THAT. OKAY. BUT AS IT STANDS, OUR TRAFFIC STUDY IS APPROVED WITH OR WITHOUT THAT. AND, UM, D-O-K-D-O-T IS OKAY WITH FULL ACCESS OFFICE 17. GOTCHA. OKAY. UM, THE, OKAY. UM, AND DO, IS THERE ANY ISSUES ADOPTING THE PDD ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT, UM, NO SIR. UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, A MARKUP, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PRESENT IT, OF WHAT, OF WHAT THE CLIENT WOULD LIKE TO DO. IT'S NOT GONNA BE YOUR STANDARD JUST BOX. I MEAN, HE WANTS TO PUT FACADES ON THIS THING. HE WANTS TO MAKE IT KIND OF PRETTY AND DRESS IT UP AND MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT HARVILLE WOULD BE PROUD OF. YEAH. I PROBABLY CHAIR OVER THERE AND I'M SORRY. OH, PERFECT. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE EASEL AVAILABLE. YEAH. SO I'M TODD MAYO WITH A MEGA CONSTRUCTION, UM, GENERAL CONTRACTOR. UM, I'LL SET THIS UP. SO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT WHAT, WHAT NATHAN HAS SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, THIS, THIS DEVELOPER WANTS TO GET AWAY FROM THE BIG CONCRETE INDUSTRIAL BOXES, RIGHT? SO THESE WILL HAVE A LOT LESS HEIGHT MASS. UM, THESE ARE CATERED TO MORE FLEX RETAIL SPACES. HE'S GOT LOCAL TENANTS THAT ARE LOOKING, [01:55:01] YOU KNOW, CULLIGAN WATER. HE'S GOT A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, SMALLER INDUSTRIAL, SMALLER RETAIL, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL LEASES THAT HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO THIS PROPERTY. AND, AND ONE OF THE MESSAGES HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GOT ACROSS THIS MORNING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS DEVELOPMENT, UNLIKE A LOT OF RIVER PORTS OR THE BIGGER DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THEY, THEY TAKE DOWN ALL THE LAND AT ONE TIME. SORRY, CAN YOU COME BY THE MICROPHONE? OH, YEAH. BECAUSE WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. WELL, YEAH, LET'S DO IT. LET'S DO IT LIKE THIS. YEAH, NO, CAN YOU BRING THAT UP THERE? WOULD YOU YEAH. OR JUST HAVE YEAH, IF HE CAN, NATHAN COULD HOLD IT. AND SO, SORRY, I'LL GET RIGHT HERE. UM, SO ONE OF THE, THE MESSAGE THAT OUR OWNER, AND SORRY HE COULDN'T BE HERE, HE IS OUT, OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND, AND, YOU KNOW, GETS HERE VERY LIMITED, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ON BEHALF OF, OF OUR OWNER, HE, HE ASKED ME TO, TO MAKE SURE I, YOU KNOW, PUT SOME OF THIS HOME TO YOU IS, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE BUILDINGS, UM, WILL BE ROUGHLY 12,000 SQUARE FEET PER, PER SPACE. OKAY. SO THESE ARE NOT BIG MILLION SQUARE FOOTERS. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL BE CATERED TOWARDS SMALLER RETAIL OPERATIONS, A LOT LESS HEIGHT MASS. YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A, AN EXAMPLE OF A 36,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT WILL HAVE THREE TENANTS WITHIN THAT BUILDING. HE'S TARGETING LOCAL BUSINESS, UM, TO HARDY V. UM, AND THE SURROUNDING, UM, AREAS AND, AND LOCAL COMMUNITY DRIVEN, UM, YOU KNOW, RETAIL, UM, BUSINESSES. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IT'S A MIX OF SOME, YOU KNOW, 30,000 SQUARE, SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS UP TO, I THINK THE LARGEST WE'RE SHOWING RIGHT NOW IS PUSHING A HUNDRED. RIGHT? I THINK IT'S 112. YEAH. SPLIT UP. SO, SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WILL HAVE A LOT LESS TRAFFIC, LOT LESS TRUCKS, LARGER TRUCK TRAFFIC. UM, THESE ARE MORE RETAIL DRIVEN INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS. UM, MORE FLEX SPACE. UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CURRENTLY BUILDINGS A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS FOR HIM RIGHT NOW IN RINCON, GEORGIA. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, HE'S A VERY ACTIVE OWNER HERE IN IN SAVANNAH IN THE RINCON MARKET. UM, VERY DRIVEN IN THE COMMUNITY AND, AND REALLY WANTS THAT TO, TO BE HIT HOME. THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA PROBABLY TAKE FOUR TO FIVE YEARS TO COME TO FRUITION. UM, IT WILL BE IN A PHASED APPROACH. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA GO TAKE DOWN ALL THE, THE LAND AT ONE TIME. IT WILL BE VERY STRATEGIC INTO, YOU KNOW, BUILDING, YOU KNOW, A POD, GET SOME LOCAL BUSINESSES IN, KINDA ESTABLISH THE, THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN WE WILL, WE WILL START ADDING PHASES AS THOSE, UH, TENANTS ARE, ARE LOCKED DOWN. SO IT WILL NOT BE A BUNCH OF SPEC WAREHOUSES BEING BUILT. UM, THESE ARE GONNA BE MORE TARGETED TOWARDS FINDING LOCAL TALENT AND BUSINESSES TO, TO OCCUPY THEM BEFORE HE JUST STARTS MASS DEVELOPING. SO, UH, THE PLAN IS TO GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND ROADWAYS IN FIRST, UM, STILL LEAVE THE GROWTH AND VEGETATION IN PLACE. UM, AND THEN PHASE THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR PHASES, UM, OF, OF BUILDINGS. SO HEIGHT MASS RIGHT NOW IS ROUGHLY 24 FEET, A LOT LESS THAN THE 36 40 FOOT CLEAR THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON SOME OF THESE BIG INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS, UM, BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED THE, THE, THE HIGHER MASS. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE BUILDINGS, LIKE I SAID, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO KIND OF BRING IN A RENDERING TO SHOW, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY WOULD LOOK. UH, BUT YES, MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SEE IN SOME OF THE BIGGER INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENTS RIGHT NOW. UM, AND THE, THE, IT'S ALL GONNA BE IT, NONE OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED, RIGHT? IT'S ALL GONNA BE, IS IT ONE? CORRECT. IT'LL BE LEASED. HE WILL OWN THEM AND LEASE THEM TO TENANTS. OKAY. YES, SIR. UM, THE, UH, ANY ISSUES WITH, UM, UM, REMOVING THAT PORTION OR, UH, THE GUIDELINE AT, UH, KEEP THE SPECIMEN TREES IF THERE ARE ALREADY, DO WE, IF THERE ARE ANY ON, ON THE SITE OR HAVE WE IDENTIFIED IF THERE'RE SURE. YOU CAN SEE ON HERE, UM, ALL THESE KIND OF LARGER GREEN CIRCLES. UM, HOLD IT NOW. YEAH. SO ANYTHING WITH THIS KIND OF DARKER GREEN CIRCLES, THOSE ARE THE LARGER TREES THAT WERE PICKED UP AND WE ARE DOING OUR VERY BEST TO PRESERVE THOSE. YOU CAN SEE WE BUILT IN SOME ISLANDS IN THIS SECTION, UM, A MAJORITY OF THE LARGER TREES ARE EITHER IN THE PROTECTED WETLAND AREAS OR ON THE WILLIAMS TRACK HERE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE, UM, WE DIDN'T GO FOR JUST MASS DEVELOPMENT. I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT RIGHT HERE WE COULD HAVE TRIED TO PUT A BUILDING ON, BUT THE, THE CLIENT REALLY WANTED TO PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT WAS KIND OF A, A MODEL OF HOW TO SUSTAINABLY DEVELOP A, A SITE AND REALLY SOMETHING YOU GUYS WOULD BE PROUD OF. YEAH. I THINK, UM, YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE NUMBERS BETTER THAN I, THE, THE CURRENT TOTAL SQUARE FOOT DEVELOPMENT IS OVER NORTH OF A MILLION SQUARE FEET TOTAL, BUT POTENTIAL OF WHAT? YEAH. SO WE ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSING WITH THIS PLAN, UM, 1 MILLION, UH, 35,000 SQUARE FEET THAT INCLUDES 87 UNITS THAT RANGE FROM 3,600 SQUARE FEET ON ONE OF 'EM TO 24,000 ON THE BIGGER ONES. UM, THE RIGHT BUTTON HERE. BUT HE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY BASED ON THE LAND TO BE A LOT HIGHER THAN THAT. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IS [02:00:01] HE IS NOT MAXIMIZING THE DENSITY ON THIS PROPERTY. HE COULD GO UP TO 2 MILLION MM-HMM . ROUGHLY 2 MILLION SQUARE FEET BASED ON THE LAND PLAN. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY LV LAYOUT WITH THE BUILDINGS. THERE'D BE, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL TENANTS. THIS IS JUST SHOWING THREE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THREE TO FIVE TO SIX, YOU GOTTA COME OVER HERE. YEAH. MICROPHONE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO YEAH, JUST SHOWING HOW THEY'LL BE SET UP, YOU KNOW, THE TENANTS IN EACH BUILDING AND THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, JUST PUT ONE PERSON, HIS GOAL IS TO KIND OF SUB TO BUILD, BUILD THE SUIT. ALLOW, YES, SIR. EXACTLY. EXACTLY. THAT'S HIS GOAL. JUST A FEW TENANTS TO NOTE RED BULL CULLIGAN WATER. UM, HE HAS A, UM, A, UH, A PLASTICS DISTRIBUTOR THAT REPACKS, YOU KNOW, SO IT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THESE ARE, THESE ARE SMALLER, YOU KNOW, RETAIL INDUSTRIAL SPACES, SO IT WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF TRACTOR TRAILERS COMING AND GOING, THERE'LL BE SMALLER DELIVERY TRUCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FROM SOME LOCAL BUSINESSES. YOU, YOU, YOU POINTED TO THOSE FOUR LARGER YEAH. UH, IS THAT, THOSE ARE ALL THE BIGGER ONES THAN JUST THOSE FOUR. YES, SIR. MM-HMM . AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE TRIED TO LIMIT TO 12,000 SQUARE FEET. YEAH. OKAY. THE NOTE I, I DID, WE DID HAVE HELD A COMMUNITY EVENT LAST NIGHT OUT AT THE PROPERTY, INVITED ALL THE LOCAL, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY TO COME BY. I'VE SERVED HIM SOME DINNER, JUST HAD SOME, SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM. UM, YOU KNOW, OUR OWNER IS, HAS BEEN VERY OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING ANY ADDITIONAL BERMS OR, OR PLANTINGS OR, UH, YOU KNOW, TO HELP WITH THAT. UM, AND SO HE HAS NOT COME IN AND SAID, HEY, I'M JUST GONNA CLEAR CUT THIS. HE REALLY WANTS TO BE MINDFUL ABOUT POSITIONING OF BERMS OR, OR ANY ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS. WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO BRANDON, YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT. AND, AND HE IS NOT OPPOSED TO IMPLEMENTING ANY OF THAT THAT Y'ALL SPOKE ABOUT IN THE PREVIOUS, UM, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION. OKAY. I, YOU, YOU REALLY THINK, OR HE, DOES HE REALLY THINK THAT ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE, UH, SMALL BUSINESSES? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT HE THINKS THAT EVERY ONE OF 'EM WILL BE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE THREE OR FOUR COULD BE EXPANDED TO, YOU KNOW, PULL A DEMISING WALL OUT AND MAKE IT A 50,000 SQUARE FOOT SPACE. UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT HE ALREADY HAS SIX OR SEVEN BUSINESSES ALREADY ENGAGED THAT ARE SMALLER. UM, YOU KNOW, HE DOES NOT HAVE ANY DESIRE TO, YOU KNOW, FORCE LARGE INDUSTRIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, TENANTS BECAUSE THIS, AND, AND I KNOW 'CAUSE WE'RE BUILDING A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS IN AND AROUND SAVANNAH. WE'VE GOT A BUNCH HERE IN HARDY V RIGHT NOW. I DON'T SEE HIM. HE HAS THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ALREADY. THIS IS CATERED TO RETAIL, UM, SECTOR. YES, SIR. SO IF, IF, IF THAT'S HIS IDEA THAT HE'S GOING TO TARGET THE SMALLER INDUSTRIAL AND, AND RETAIL YES SIR. BUSINESSES, UM, WHY DO YOU NEED THE CONNECTION TO RIVERPORT? I THINK THE CONNECTION TO RIVERPORT, WE WANT, THAT'S A CITY. YEAH. THE CITY DID. HE WANTS THAT. YES. NOW OUR OWNER, I WILL TELL YOU, HAS OFFERED THOSE RIVERPORT GUYS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DO THAT. THE RIVERPORT DEVELOPERS FELT THAT THERE'S SOME COMPETITION THERE BETWEEN WHAT HE'S GOT HERE AND WHAT THEY HAVE THERE. THEY HAVE SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT ENTERTAINING IT. AND THEREFORE THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY CONCERN. YEAH. YOU KNOW, UM, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA WITHHOLD MY COMMENTS FOR A LITTLE BIT. I A COUPLE QUESTIONS. CONNECTIVITY'S JUST A GOOD PLANNING PRACTICE. WHY I I WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE ALTERNATE CONNECTIONS, KEEP PEOPLE, KEEP SOME OF THAT STRESS OFF OF 17, THAT KIND OF THING. AND THE STAFF FEELS VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND, AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT IN MY OPINION, IT ALSO OPENS THIS UP TO, OH, NOW WE CAN HAVE FOUR OR FIVE BIG, UM, DISTRIBUTION CENTERS. RIGHT? AND THAT WOULD TAKE AN A, AN AMENDMENT TO THE PDD IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT. SO THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU GUYS TO DO THAT. WOULD IT TAKE AN A YES, YES. YES. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSED USES THAT WE'RE, WE HAVE FOR THE SITE, IT'S REALLY CATERED TO THAT SMALL COMMERCIAL RETAIL MARKET. YEAH. I GOT, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. IS ANY OF THIS PROPERTY IN RURAL PRESERVATION RIGHT NOW? YES, SIR. IT HAS BEEN IN RURAL PRESERVATION. YES, SIR. WHEN HE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, IS IT ALSO IN JASPER COUNTY CURRENTLY AND UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY? YEP. AND WE HAVE A LEGACY CHURCH, UH, ONE CORNER, AND WE'VE GOT RESIDENCES. THE, THE CHURCH IS UP HERE. UM, THESE ARE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES RIGHT HERE. MM-HMM . RIGHT HERE AND ALONG 17. AND THEN THIS IS ALL THE BIG RIVERPORT TRACK. I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THEY'RE PROPOSING YES. 600, 900,000 SQUARE FOOT. I HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS. I HAVE A COUPLE. GO AHEAD, JEFF. UM, I, I WASN'T DONE. OH, [02:05:01] . SO THE QUESTION WAS A LITTLE SKIRTED AROUND, BUT, UM, SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO, UM, UH, WAS TO RECOMMEND, UH, OR STRIKING THE PARAGRAPH PERTAINING TO REMOVAL OF SPECIMEN TREES. SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE APPROVED, I'D MAKE THAT A CONDITION. OKAY. NO QUESTION. OKAY. YES, SIR. UM, AND THEN, UM, SO ANOTHER, I GET MY LAST QUESTION. I, I BELIEVE SO. UM, SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD WANT TO, IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO GO FORWARD AND IMPROVE THIS, I WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE INDUSTRY OR THE, OR THE, THE, THE BUSINESS USES AROUND THE RESIDENCES WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY LIMITED OR, OR DIFFERENT. YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE A, UH, PER SE, A A A GAS STATION RIGHT NEXT TO ONE OF THE HOUSES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT WAS, I KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT WAS, UH, IN YOUR, YOUR USES. UH, ONE OF THE ITEMS WAS A, WAS A GAS STATION. SO I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ADHERING TO DIFFERENT LOW, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? UM, LOW IMPACT BUSINESSES. SO I MEAN, LIKE, IF YOU'VE GOT CULLIGAN COMING IN AND THEY'VE GOT A BUNCH OF DELIVERY TRUCKS THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE GOING OUT INTO A DELIVERY, SO YOU GOT A BUNCH OF TRUCKS GOING BACK AND FORTH. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'D WANT SOMETHING, A MORE LOW IMPACT. SO, UM, WHEREAS LIKE THE REAR PARTIALS COULD HAVE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GUIDELINES 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AS MUCH IMPACT AS, AS THE FRONT, WHICH, UM, SO I THINK HE WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT. MM-HMM . OKAY. YES, SIR. AND AGAIN, IT'S MORE OF A PHASED APPROACH TOO, RIGHT? SO I THINK WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT IS YOU SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, PHASE ONE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IDENTIFYING WHAT THOSE END USES ARE. OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE PART OF THE PERMITTING APPROVAL PROCESS ANYWAY. HAVE YOU IDENTIFIED WHICH PHASE ONE IN A PERFECT WORLD? YEAH, PHASE ONE OR NORTHERN POD. OKAY. YES, SIR. AND THEN WE KIND OF MOVE OURSELVES SOUTH DOWN THAT BACK PARCEL AND THEN WRAP UP AROUND THE FRONT WOULD BE THE FINAL. AND THERE WAS A PHASING EXHIBIT INCLUDED IN OUR DOCUMENTS THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT. OKAY. JEFF? UM, NOW I MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, I, I PREPARED A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS AND I WANTED TO JUST SORT OF READ THEM OFF TO YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT I, I THINK THAT THAT, UH, LANDON HAS ALREADY CHECKED A NUMBER OF THEM WITH YOU, BUT TO MAKE SURE THEY WEREN'T, UH, THINGS THAT WOULD BE NOT POSSIBLE FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW. YES, SIR. UH, THE CONDITION WOULD BE A 35 FOOT HEIGHT RESTRICTION, A, UH, EXTENSION OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT ADDRESSING ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND BUFFER AREAS, UM, INCLUDING A MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE PLAN FOR ROAD CONNECTIVITY TO RIVERPORT. UH, STRIKE THE PARAGRAPH RELATING TO REMOVAL OF SPECIMEN TREES, WHICH I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN ASKED ABOUT. AND, UH, YOU, YOU ALSO HAVE THE WALKING TRAILS. YES, SIR. WHICH I BELIEVE IN YOUR, IN YOUR PROPOSAL YOU SAY ARE FOR EMPLOYEES AND GUESTS. WELL, WOULD YOU ALSO BE WILLING TO AGREE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR GUESTS, UH, USE REGARDING THE WALKING TRAILS? SURE. YEAH. OKAY. IS IT, UM, I, I JUST RAISED THE QUESTION WITH ME. I WROTE A NOTE HERE. UH, YOU SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT, OR IT IS SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED TO HAVE JUNKY JUNKYARDS OR AUTO SALVAGE OPERATIONS, AND THEN IT PARTICULARLY ALLOWS VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, STORAGE OF VEHICLES AND PARTS, FUEL STORAGE AND STORAGE OF CHEMICALS AND BULK MATERIALS. UH, ISN'T THAT, I THINK THAT WOULDN'T THAT ALLOW FOR, WE, WE CAN AMEND THAT, BUT I THINK THE THOUGHT THERE WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE SOMEONE COME IN AND EXTERMINATE OR SOMETHING AND THEY, AND THEY WOULD WANT TO STORE SOME CHEMICALS ON SITE OR, UM, AUTOBODY SHOP MIGHT, MIGHT TAKE ONE OF THESE. UM, SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO LIMIT WHAT COULD MOVE IN HERE, BUT WE DON'T, THE CLIENT DOES NOT WANT TO HAVE BIG SALVAGE YARDS. LIKE TODD SAID, HE HAS THOSE, HE, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE'S GOING FOR HERE. OKAY. THAT OPERATION'S BEING BUILT IN RINKIN RIGHT NOW. SO IT JUST SORT OF SEEMED LIKE THE ONE, YOU KNOW. YEAH. NO ONE GIVETH AND THE OTHER TAKE US. WE NEED TO AMEND IT. THAT'S FINE. I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE BUILDING A AUTO DISTRIBUTION AND SALVAGE FACILITY OUT IN RINKIN RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S WHERE HIS, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A 300,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, AGAIN, WE CAN AMEND IT TO WHATEVER YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE NEEDS TO, TO BE IN THERE. YEAH. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS RURAL PRESERVATION. RIGHT NOW, THIS HAS BEEN RURAL PRESERVATION. WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS JUST PURCHASED, I WANT YOU TO REALIZE HOW CLOSE TO PROXIMITY THESE HOUSES ARE. YES, SIR. AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW, AND, AND I'M SPEAKING TO STAFF OR TO MY BOARD, MY MEMBERS HERE, THAT THIS IS ALSO IN UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY. [02:10:01] OKAY. UM, I THINK YOU NEED TO, THIS IS, THIS IS ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF. TRAFFIC AND ALL THE CONCERN THAT I HEARD IN THE LAST MEETING. I'M, I'M NOT HEARING ANY OF THAT RIGHT NOW. AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW IT POSES EVERY BIT OF THE SAME RISK, BUT ON NOT ONLY THAT, THIS IS JASPER COUNTY, NOT HARDY RIGHT NOW. AND THIS IS RURAL PRESERVATION PROPERTY. OKAY. SO BE VERY MINDFUL OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. AND I ALSO, EVERY TIME THAT WE, UH, DO SOMETHING THAT, THAT DEALS WITH ANNEXATION, THOUGH, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DEALS WITH, I ALWAYS WANNA PUT ON THE RECORD. AND OUR, AND OUR STAFF IS REALLY GOOD ABOUT THIS, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE IN FACT, CHECKED WITH JASPER COUNTY, NOTIFY THEM AND THEY DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION. I, AND I SEE WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM JASPER COUNTY'S PLANNING COMMISSION, SO I PARTICULARLY WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET IT ON THE RECORD, ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. NO, BUT THEY WERE, THAT WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING FROM THEIR STAFF. OKAY. AND, AND, AND YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS IN, UM, COMPLIANCE WITH THE, WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH REGARD TO ANNEXATION, I'LL GO OVER HERE. KATIE CAN SPEAK FOR ME, THE MICROPHONE. THIS IS THE GROWTH BOUNDARY AND THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THAT GROWTH BOUNDARY RIGHT HERE. YEAH. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, IT'S WELL WITHIN THE GROWTH BOUNDARY AND WE DO HAVE, UM, ON OUR DISTRIBUTION LIST FOR NOTIFICATIONS, FOR THE DIGITAL NOTIFICATIONS OF THE AGENDAS. WE DO HAVE, UM, JASPER COUNTY STAFF, BUT WE ALSO HAVE JASPER COUNTY AND RIDGELAND PLANNING COMMISSIONS AS WELL. SO THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT'S COMING TO OUR, UM, MEETING AGENDAS AND ALL MATERIALS ARE ON THE WEBSITE FOR PEOPLE TO REVIEW. UM, I DO SEE SOME OTHERS HERE THAT, UM, I BELIEVE ARE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL. SO I, WE DID GET THOSE NOTIFICATIONS OUT AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE WE DO. THANK YOU. THAT'S GREAT. YEAH. AND I, AND I WILL HIGHLIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MEETING THAT WE HAD LAST NIGHT ON PROPERTY WAS WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PARCELS THAT ARE RIGHT HERE. OKAY. WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT REALLY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. WE MET WITH THE, THE FAMILY WHO OWNS MOST OF THAT PROPERTY HERE LAST NIGHT AND HAD SOME PRETTY OPEN DIALOGUE AND DISCUSSION AND, AND EXPLAINED TO THEM JUST WHAT I'M TELLING YOU ABOUT SOME OF THE BUFFERING AND, AND THEY WERE VERY, UH, OPEN TO IT. IN FACT, THEY ARE STILL ENTERTAINING THE, UM, ABILITY TO SELL THAT LAND TO THIS OWNER. SO THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AGAIN LAST NIGHT. I THINK THERE'S ABOUT 30 ACRES OF THIS THAT MAY COME BACK TO BE UP FOR SALE WHERE THEY ORIGINALLY COULDN'T WORK A DEAL OUT. BUT NOW THAT I THINK THEY'RE SEEING THAT, TRYING TO GAIN SOME TRACTION HERE, THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO SELL THE PROPERTY. SO THAT'LL, THAT'LL HELP SOME OF THAT TOO, I THINK. RIGHT? YEAH. I I WANT TO, UH, INDICATE THE APPRECIATION FOR THE, THE FACT THAT YOU AFFIRMATIVELY, UH, PROACTIVELY WOULD REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S A GREAT THING. I THINK THE WALKING TRAILS ARE ANOTHER REALLY YES, SIR. UH, AFFIRMATIVE THING. THAT, THAT YOU, YOU, WE RESPECT THAT AND OUR OWNER'S VERY COMMITTED TO DOING THAT. LIKE I SAID, IT, IT'S, UH, WE WANNA BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. HE WANTS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND WANTS THAT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT A BIG INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT IS GONNA ENCOURAGE TRUCKS AND TRA THIS IS, HE WANTS THIS TO BE A COMMUNITY, UM, PROJECT. FOR SURE. YEAH. ALRIGHT MAN. I THINK RICKY HAS SOME REALLY GOOD POINTS THERE, BUT I, BUT THOSE TWO THINGS ARE, I DO WANNA RECOGNIZE THAT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. NOT NOW. OKAY. UM, I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE HAVE A, A LOT OF VACANT SPACE IN VILLE NOW. UM, I WANNA SEE SOMETHING THAT IS BUILT AND GOES VACANT. ON THE OTHER HAND, I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE PROPERTY PURCHASED AND, UM, ANNEXED INTO THE CITY AND THEN SIT THERE BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER CAN'T GET TENANTS. SO I, I HAVE, I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS. I MEAN, [02:15:01] WHAT IS, WHAT IS MY GUARANTEE THAT OKAY, HE, HE CAN'T, UM, GET TENANTS TO FILL THE SMALLER BUILDINGS. WHAT'S MY GUARANTEE THAT HE DOESN'T JUST SAY, OKAY, I'M JUST GONNA BUILD BIGGER BUILDINGS. I, I THINK BASED ON MY DISCUSSIONS WITH, WITH OUR OWNER, THE PHASED APPROACH IS REALLY, UM, IN MY OPINION, GONNA CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT SECURITY. THIS IS NOT A SPEC SPECULATIVE DEVELOPMENT. HE'S GOING TO PHASE IT WITH TENANTS ON BOARD SO THAT HE CAN BUILD TO SUIT. SO HE'S GONNA GET TENANTS BEFORE HE BUILDS, CORRECT? YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY. SO HE'S GOING TO GO SECURE THESE TENANTS AND THEY WILL BE DESIGN BUILDS FOR THOSE TENANTS AND NOT PECULATE. THAT, THAT, THAT MAKES ME FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER. . YES, SIR. SO PHASE TWO WILL NOT BE, WILL NOT START UNTIL PHASE ONE HAS BEEN OCCUPIED WITH LEASES SIGNED AND THEN NEW TENANTS ON BOARD. AND THAT'S WHY THE PROJECT, AGAIN, COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS BECAUSE HE'S, HE'S GOING TO WAIT TO MAKE SURE THAT HE HAS THOSE BEFORE WE GO. WHAT, WHAT IS HIS PROJECTED TIMELINE? FOUR TO FIVE YEARS? YES, SIR. FIVE. YES, SIR. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT. OKAY. SO NOW WE WILL ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME TODAY. REALLY DO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU PUBLIC. OKAY. REMEMBER WHAT I, WHAT I TOLD YOU EARLIER. GOOD MORNING, KATHY DECOURSEY, 7 82 TON HALL ROAD, RIDGELAND. GOOD MORNING. ACTUALLY, UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY. DOES THIS GET INTERNET? UM, NO. NO. OKAY. WELL, SO, OKAY. CAN I JUST MOVE THIS UP HERE? SO I SENT A LETTER OFF, UM, QUICKLY DRAFTED THAT LETTER 'CAUSE I WANTED TO GET SOMETHING OFF TO YOU, BUT DID FURTHER RESEARCH OVER THE LAST DAY OR SO. SO, UM, THIS MORNING I DID TAKE A RIDE OUT TO THAT SITE. UM, JUST TO REFRESH MY MEMORY, IT HAD BEEN ABOUT SIX MONTHS SINCE I HAD BEEN OUT THERE. AND TO MY DISMAY, THERE IS NO SIGN OUT AT THE SITE POSTING THIS MEETING. AND I DID NOT FIND ONE IN THE BLUFFTON TODAY. UH, PUBLIC NOTICES EITHER. SO, WAREHOUSING EFFECTS ON AN ENVIRONMENT, A STUDY PUBLISHED IN JULY OF 2024 FROM THE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY SHOWS THAT THE PEOPLE LIVING IN COMMUNITIES LOCATED NEXT TO WAREHOUSES ARE EXPOSED TO 20% MORE NITROGEN DIOXIDE. A TRAFFIC RELATED AIR POLLUTANT THAT CAN LEAD TO ASTHMA AND OTHER LIFE-THREATENING CONDITIONS. INCREASED TRAFFIC TO AND FROM THESE WAREHOUSES MEANS PEOPLE LIVING DOWN DOWNWIND, INHALING, OR INCREASED HARMFUL NITROGEN DIOXIDE POLLUTION. ALTHOUGH THE AVERAGE SPIKE OF NITROGEN, NITROGEN DIOXIDE ASSOCIATED WITH WAREHOUSES WAS 20%. NITROGEN DIOXIDE LEVELS NEAR WAREHOUSES WERE EVEN LARGER WHEN THERE WAS A, A GREATER HEAVY DUTY TRAFFIC VEHICLE NEAR OTHER FACILITIES WAREHOUSES WITH MORE LOADING DOCKS AND PARKING SPACES ATTRACT MORE TRAFFIC AND ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE HIGHEST NITROGEN DIOXIDE LEVELS. WAREHOUSES ARE DISPROPORTIONATE, DISPROPORTIONATELY LOCATED IN MARGINALIZED, IN MINORITIZED COMMUNITIES. THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE WAREHOUSE CLUSTERS RAISE CONCERNS REGARDING POTENTIAL SOCIOECONOMIC DISADVANTAGES FOR LONGSTANDING RESIDENTS OF THE LIMEHOUSE IN LEVY AREA. WAREHOUSING EFFECTS ON OUR WATERWAY FROM THE SAVANNAH RIVER TO THE COASTAL MARSHLANDS, OUR LOCAL RIVERS AND WETLANDS SUPPORT A DIVERSE RANGE OF PLANT AND ANIMAL LIFE. THESE NATURAL AREAS ALSO HELP, HELP FILTER OUT OUR WATER, PROTECT US FROM FLOODS AND SUPPORT INDUSTRIES LIKE TOURISM, FISHING, AND RECREATION. HYDROCARBON. A CHIEF COMPONENT OF PETROLEUM OR OTHER PETROLEUM BASED PRODUCTS POSE A SERIOUS THREAT TO THE HEALTH OF OUR ENVIRONMENT. HYDROCARBON SPILLS OCCASIONALLY OCCUR WHEN FUEL OR FUEL ESCAPES INTO THE ENVIRONMENT LEAPS FROM VEHICLES, MACHINERY, PARTICULARLY AROUND HIGH TRAFFIC ZONES OR MAJOR HIGHWAYS. THESE POLLUTANTS CAN END UP IN STORM DRAINS OR SEEP INTO THE GROUND EVENTUALLY MAKING THEIR WAY TO THE RIVERS AND MARSHES. THEY KILL FISH, SHELLFISH, BIRDS, PLANTS REDUCE OXYGEN LEVELS IN THE WATER, WHICH HARMS AQUATIC LIFE, DISRUPTS FOOD CHAINS AND NESTING AREAS FOR WILDLIFE LEAVE ONLY, LEAVE ONLY, SORRY, LEAVE OILY RESIDUE. THAT DAMAGES WATER QUALITY IN COASTAL AESTHETICS [02:20:01] IN THE LONG TERM. THESE SPILLS DON'T JUST IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT. THEY PUT PUBLIC HEALTH AT RISK, HURT TOURISM AND REDUCE PROPERTY VALUES. MY QUESTION TO THE COMMISSION IS, WHEN WHEN WILL THE PROTECTION OF NATURAL RESOURCES BE PRIORITY OVER PROFIT AND TIMES UP? SO ALSO I NOTICED, UM, DURING MY RESEARCH THAT LOOP ON LOOPNET, I HAD GIVEN YOU, THEY'RE ALREADY ADVERTISING THIS PROPERTY UP FOR A LEASE. IT HASN'T BEEN ANNEXED AND THE MASTER PLAN HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED, BUT THEY'RE ALREADY ADVERTISING. THANK YOU. I I ONLY THING I HAVE TO ADD ON THE NOTIFICATIONS, THE, THE NEWSPAPER AD AND THE PO POSTAL, THAT'S TO BE DONE, UM, MORE THAN 15 DAYS PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'S AT COUNCIL LEVEL. THAT HAS NOT BEEN SCHEDULED YET. SO THE SIGNS ARE NOT OUT. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. GONE. OKAY. UH, WE TAKE EACH ONE SEPARATELY AND SO I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION. UM, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE BASED ON THE, UM, DO I NEED TO READ ALL, I READ 'EM ALL OFF THE, UM, UH, ADOPTING THE PDD ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS OR THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR, UH, OVERLAY DISTRICT, UM, CONSIDERING THE LIMITS OF USE ON THOSE FRONT PARTIALS THAT, UM, IMPACT, UM, THE RESIDENCES, UM, AND THE, UH, REMOVAL OF THE, UH, UM, UH, STRIKING OUT THE REMOVAL OF SPECIMEN TREES. IS THERE WHAT I'M MISSING? SO I I HAD A COUPLE MORE THERE. YEAH, I WAS, I WAS GONNA SAY, I NOTED MR. FOREMAN, UM, WANTED AND PLUS WHAT HIS SAYS. UH, 35 FOOT HEIGHT RESTRICTION, UM, PARKING FOR GUEST USE OF WALKING TRAILS CONNECTIVITY TO RIVERPORT FOR THE OTHER. YOU GOT MORE? WELL, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. SO, SO THE MOTION IS CONSIDERATION OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PDD FOR PAS 0 3 9 0 DASH 0 1 0 3 0 3 9 DASH ZERO ONE DASH 0 3 0 0 3 9. SEE, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO READ THIS DASH ZERO ZERO DASH ZERO ONE DASH 0 3 1 AND 0 3 9 DASH 0 0 1 0 3 2. UH, BE APPROVED, UH, UH, APPROVAL TO THE COUNCIL IS, IS THAT WHAT YOU WANNA SAY? SUBJECT TO THOSE COUNSEL. SUBJECT TO THOSE YES TO. OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? I OPPOSE, I I THINK THAT THIS IS RURAL PRESERVATION AND WE, AND THIS IS JASPER COUNTY AND WE HAVE NO BUSINESS LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT NOW. IF WE'RE NOT GONNA WORK WITH JA, WHEN ARE WE GONNA START DOING WHAT WE SAY? AND THAT IS WORKING WITH JASPER COUNTY AND OUR, UH, COMMUNITY HERE. WHEN, WHEN ARE WE, WE, WE'VE GOT TO, UH, WORK WITH OUR OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM YET, SO I HAVE TO VOTE. THAT'S FIRST AND A SECOND, RIGHT? YEAH, YOU MADE A VOTE. WE GOT TWO VOTE, TWO I VOTES AND ONE NEGATIVE. SO I HAVE TO VOTE? NO, NO. OR IF YOU DON'T VOTE, IT FAILS. OH, GOOD. ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD. NO, SIR. UM, TECHNICALLY YOU VOTE ANYWAY, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO VOTE. WELL, OKAY. TECHNICALLY YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO VOTE, SO I WOULD VOTE. NO, YOU'RE NOT A YOU'RE NOT A TIEBREAKER VOTE. YOU ARE A VOTE JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER MEMBER OF VOTE. WELL, I WOULD VOTE NO. THEN THAT MOTION FAILS AND YOU NEED TO CREATE ANOTHER, A NEW MOTION. SO YOUR MOTION WOULD BE TO, TO RECOMMEND NOT APPROVAL, NOT TO APPROVE. I RECOMMEND THAT WE ISSUE NON-APPROVAL ON THIS. I I THINK THAT BASED UPON THE FACT THAT IT IS, UH, RULE PRESERVATION HAS BEEN RULE PRESERVATION, IT IS AN UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY. UM, NOW IS DEFINITELY NOT THE TIME TO BE APPROVING OR EVEN LOOKING [02:25:01] AT THIS SECOND. CAN I SECOND IT? I SECOND IT ALL IN FAVOR? WELL, LEMME COMMENT FIRST. OKAY. UH, UM, WE, WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND, UM, COMMISSION COMMENTS? I, I DO. I I, I THINK WE'RE TAKING, WE'RE, I'M, WE'RE LOSING A LOT OF PRESERVATION. NOW THE, DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT, BUT I'VE SEEN IT IN MY OWN COMMUNITY, UM, PIECES OF MY COMMUNITY THAT WHEN, WHEN I BOUGHT WAS, THAT'S PRESERVED AT THE PRESERVATION. THERE ARE NOW HOUSES. SO I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO, TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT, UM, TAKING AWAY, UM, AREAS OF LAND THAT, THAT CONSIDERED, UH, PRESERVES OR, OR ARE IN PRESERVATION TRACKS BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE FUTURE. SO ONE, WE, IF WE JUST, IF WE, IF WE JUST INDISCRIMINATELY DEVELOP, I, THAT'S, I THINK WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE IN HOW WE DEVELOP. UM, I, I, INDISCRIMINATE DEVELOPMENT IS, IS NOT WHAT I LIKE. I I UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, IT'S A PERFECT SPOT AND WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED. UM, I LIKE THAT IDEA, BUT I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF TAKING, TAKING LAND FROM THAT. THAT'S CONSIDERED A PRESERVATION. I'M SORRY. OKAY. NOW WE'LL VOTE ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION. MOTION FAILS. NOW WHAT? SO DOES IT GO, DOES IT GO TO I MAKE A MOTION. YOU MAKE A MOTION. I, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE POSTPONE OUR VOTE TILL NEXT MONTH WHEN COMMISSIONER KENZIE WILL BE HERE, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE FIVE VOTES. WE TAB YOU MAKING A MOTION, WE TABLE IT TILL THE NEXT MEETING, AT WHICH TIME WE, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE FIVE VOTES PRESENT. SO RICHARD, YOUR, YOUR ONE ITEM WAS YOU WANT JASPER COUNTY INVOLVED IN THIS? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? NUMBER ONE, IT'S RURAL PRESERVATION. RIGHT? AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THERE, UM, DOES NOT RISE TO THE LEVEL WHERE I WANT TO TAKE, UH, RURAL PRESERVATION PROPERTY, UH, OUT. UM, WE HAVE PLENTY OF WAREHOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT AND HAVE BEEN SITTING IN OUR TOWN FOR TWO YEARS NOW WITHOUT PRODUCTION, UM, OF ANY KIND THAT I CAN SEE. UH, AND THIS IS RIGHT BESIDE WHERE I GO TO WORK EVERY DAY. UM, I DO, THIS DOES NOT RISE TO THE, THERE, THIS DOES NOT RISE TO THE LEVEL. THIS IS NOT A HARD ONE FOR ME. WE, WE HAVE SOME HARD DECISIONS, BUT THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM. THERE'S TOO MANY THINGS AGAINST THIS. WE, WE HAVE TO START WORKING WITH JASPER COUNTY. UM, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO RESPECT THAT IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE MEETINGS AND WE'RE GONNA SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA ALL START HONORING EACH OTHER AND WORKING TOGETHER. THIS IS NOT THAT. UM, THIS PROPERTY HAS ALSO BEEN IN RURAL PRESERVATION. IT WAS IN RURAL PRESERVATION WHEN THEY PURCHASED IT. UM, AND, AND I KNOW THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE COST IN THIS NOW, UH, AND, AND THEY MIGHT EVEN BE ADVERTISING FOR IT, BUT IT WAS RURAL PRESERVATION AND IT'S STILL RURAL PRESERVATION. SO I'VE NOT, I CAN'T, I CAN'T LET MYSELF BE CONCERNED WITH THAT BASED UPON THE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE BEEN HAVING TO MAKE HERE THE LAST YEAR. UM, BUT WE DON'T, THE THE COMMISSION DOESN'T TAKE IT OUT OF RURAL PRESERVATION, RIGHT? CORRECT. WE CAN'T, IF IT'S IN RURAL PRESERVATION, THEN WHO, WHO MAKES THE ZONING? OKAY. YOU'RE MAKING A, YOU DON'T MAKE ANY FINAL DECISIONS IN THIS MATTER. RIGHT? COUNSEL MAKES THE DECISION TO ANNEX IT AND THEY WILL [02:30:01] MAKE THE DECISION ON WHETHER TO ZONE IT PLAN DEVELOPMENT OR NOT IF THEY CHOOSE TO ANNEX IT. SO, SO WE WE ARE WAY AHEAD OF THE GAME HERE. YEAH. SO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS CAN IF MAKE THAT FINAL, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? SO IF WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO ANNEX IT, WE DON'T, WE DON'T MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. BUT ULTIMATELY WE COULD JUST SAY WE DON'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. IT COULD STILL MOVE FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL. UM, YOU CAN. UM, BUT THE PURPOSE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO GIVE THEM GUIDANCE. AND WE'RE 50 50 . UM, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH GUIDANCE TO GIVE THEM ON THIS, KNOW THAT YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING. AND THEY DO, OBVIOUSLY MR. UM, MESMAN WAS HERE FOR THE LAST ONE. THEY DO, THEY DO WATCH YOUR MEETINGS. THEY DO UNDERSTAND YOUR MEETINGS, AND THEY DO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. UM, SO, UM, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. WE HAVE HAD THINGS GOING WITH NO RECOMMENDATION IN THE PAST. IT IS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE AND DIFFICULT FOR COUNSEL TO MAKE A VALUE JUDGMENT. RIGHT. IF, IF YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN YOUR EXPERTISE IN THAT MATTER AS WELL. I MEAN, WE COULD, UM, ULTIMATELY, I MEAN MY, MY CONCERN IS IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AT ALL, THEN ALL OF THE POINTS THAT WE HAD SAID THEN DON'T, THEY DON'T MAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL. SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THEY ARE VALID, UH, VALID CONCERNS. THEY ALSO, UM, OFTEN ASK AT, AT THOSE MEETINGS, WHAT WAS THE VOTE, UM, IF IT WAS UNANIMOUS OR HOW MANY WERE AGAINST AND, AND WHO WAS, AND THAT IS PUBLIC RECORD. SO, UM, THAT IS OUT THERE TOO. SO WE, WE, WE HAD A MOTION TO PROVE AN HONOR MOVE FORWARD THAT FAILED. THEN WE HAD A MOTION TO NOT MOVE FORWARD OR TO RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL. AND IT, IT FAILED BECAUSE NOBODY VOTED. SO CAN WE A MOTION ON THE TEAM RIGHT NOW? DO YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR, UM, TABLING RIGHT NOW? IT DIDN'T GET A SECOND. NOT YET. I MEAN, I, I IF, IF, IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO, TO MOVE FORWARD AND I, I'M, I'M FINE WITH SUCKING SECOND SECONDING THE MOTION, UH, TO UH, DATE CERTAIN TO TABLE THIS TOO. IT WOULD, IT WOULD'VE TO BE NEXT MONTH. YEAH. DECEMBER 10TH. CORRECT. NEXT MEETING. RIGHT. IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO VERSUS NOT SENDING A RECOMMENDATION AT ALL. I DON'T THINK MY VOTE WOULD CHANGE IF NEXT MONTH OR THIS MONTH. SO I'M OKAY. UM, WITH NOT, WITH DEALING WITH IT RIGHT NOW. BUT AS FAR AS JASPER COUNTY GOES WITH YOU THINKING IT'S A JASPER COUNTY, WOULD YOU WANT A LETTER FROM JA? I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND. 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU HAD TWO MAIN POINTS. REGARDLESS OF WHAT MY OPINION IS, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD EVEN BE HERE RIGHT NOW. 'CAUSE YOU THINK IT SHOULD GO TO JASPER COUNTY. I THINK THAT THEY, THAT THEY, I THINK THAT, THAT WE CAN'T, IF IF THEY WANTED TO TAKE IT TO JASPER, THAT'S WHERE THEY SHOULD HAVE TAKEN IT. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT IS. BUT THEY DECIDED TO BRING IT HERE FOR ANNEXATION, UH, FOR A REASON. AND, AND I THINK IT KIND OF FALLS IN WHAT I THINK THIS IS RURAL PRESERVATION. THIS PROPERTY IS RURAL PRESERVATION AND IT DOES NOT RISE TO THE LEVEL OF LOSING THAT MUCH RURAL PRESERVATION PROPERTY FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. AND IT WILL INCREASE THINGS LIKE WE DISCUSSED IN THE LAST MEETING, TRAFFIC, UH, ALL THESE CONCERNS THAT WE ARE CONCERNED WITH, UM, THAT WE WERE SO CONCERNED WITH EARLIER. I THINK WE SHOULD BE JUST AS CONCERNED WITH THIS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE SAME THING. AND, AND THANK YOU MR. ZILLOW. I I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. UM, WE AS A STAFF, AS THE, AS A POLITICAL EN ENTITY, AS A BUREAUCRACY , UM, WE CANNOT DENY SOMEONE'S REQUEST TO ANNEX. UM, AS, AS MENTIONED, I WAS TALKING, SPEAKING WITH SOMEONE BEFORE THE MEETING JASPER COUNTY DOES HAVE IN THESE DONUT HOLES, THEIR FIRST RECOMMENDATION WHEN THEY DO MEET WITH SOMEONE IS TO GO TALK TO THE CITY. AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE CITY ON WHETHER TO ANNEX OR NOT. AND THAT DOES HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. NOT THAT, UM, THAT A, A RECOMMENDATION OR A NON RECOMMENDATION BY YOU. IT, IT'S, IT'S A PART OF A PROCESS THAT THEY ARE, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO. EVEN IF IT WENT, EVEN IF, IF, IF DON'T WAIT FOR ME TO BE SATISFIED WITH THIS PROJECT BY GOING TO JASPER COUNTY, I WOULD NOT BE SATISFIED WITH THIS BECAUSE IT IS RURAL PRESERVATION. MY, I HAVE A STICKING POINT. MY STICKING POINT IS THIS IS RURAL PRESERVATION AND WE'VE LOST ENOUGH IN THIS COUNTY IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF RURAL PRESERVATION. AND WE, THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO MEAN WHAT WE SAY AND SAY WHAT WE MEAN. AND I MEAN TO TELL YOU THAT RURAL PRESERVATION IS VERY, THIS PROPERTY IS VERY IMPORTANT. OKAY. WE CAN'T CONVINCE HIM TO PUT THE GOLF COURSE BACK, CAN WE? YES. . OKAY. DO YOU WANNA RECOGNIZE, GO AHEAD KATHY. ASK A QUESTION. DID THE, DID THE APPLICANT [02:35:01] GO TO JASPER COUNTY ALREADY? THAT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT IS, WE DON'T KNOW. WE, WE, WE LET THEM HAVE THAT OPTION TO, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY GO OR NOT. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, IF THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPLY ALL MR. FOREMAN, UM, DO FOR THE PURPOSES OF, CAN I SAY SOMETHING BEFORE YOU? SURE, SURE. JUST , THIS IS, I KIND, I UNDERSTAND RURAL PRESERVATION AND EVERYBODY'S GOT A HOME AND THEY WANT TO PRESERVE IT AS IT IS IN A NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. DEVELOPMENT'S INEVITABLE. IT'S COMING TO EVERYWHERE EVENTUALLY. 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T BUY ALL THE PROPERTY NEXT TO US TO KEEP IT AWAY. AND THERE'S ALWAYS CHANGE. AND, AND WITH THE GROWTH OF THE PEOPLE, THERE'S MORE HOUSING. WITH THE HOUSING, THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE INDUSTRY AND JOBS. THIS THING INDICATES THAT THIS IS WITHIN, YOU KNOW, RULES PRESERVATION FALLS WITHIN THESE BOUNDARY LIMITS HERE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS IS THE BOUNDARY, THEN MAYBE, MAYBE WE SHOULD PUT RULES PRESERVATION OUT OF THIS PRESENTATION HERE. THIS, THIS DISTRICT, WHICH IS ALL WE'RE ASKING TO DO IS, IS MAINTAIN WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED. I MEAN, THIS, THIS, THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, IT'S IN JASPER COUNTY'S, UM, BOUNDARIES RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT UNDER OUR JURISDICTION. AND THE THE ZONING IS RURAL PRESERVATION. THAT'S THE ZONING DISTRICT. SO THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. UM, WHAT WE CAN, ONLY THING THEY CAN CONSIDER IS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING THE CITY FOR AT THIS POINT. CAN, CAN I, UH, I, I KNOW WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW, BUT MAY, MAYBE WE SHOULD VOTE ON THAT THEN I MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER MOTION. OKAY. SO THE MOTION TO TABLE IS BEING VOTED ON RIGHT NOW, IS THAT CORRECT? AYE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NO. ALRIGHT. C, CAN I ASK THAT WE RECONSIDER THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND THIS TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THE CONDITIONS I WISH HAD NO READ, VOTED ON THE TABLE LINK. I WISH YOU HAVE DONE THAT FIRST. UM, WELL WE, WE VOTED ON TABLING. IT DIDN'T PASS. NOW THIS IS A NEW MOTION, RIGHT? BUT YOU VOTED ON A MOTION TO TABLE IT, RIGHT? AND WE DIDN'T PASS, WE DIDN'T CLOSE THAT ISSUE. IT DIDN'T PASS. OKAY. I'M SORRY. NO, IT DID NOT PASS. I APOLOGIZE. I AM, IT DIDN'T PASS TOO MANY MOTIONS IN MY HEAD. IT DIDN'T PASS. SO, OKAY, I'M GOING BACK TO SLEEP OVER HERE. OKAY, SO, UH, MOTION TO REOPEN IT FOR, BASED ON THE, WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, I SECOND THAT MOTION BASED ON THE ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL MOTION THAT WE HAD AND THE CONDITIONS AND THE CONDITIONS PUT FORTH. DO I NEED TO RESTATE THOSE CONDITIONS? UM, YOU DON'T NEED, YOU JUST NEED TO STATE MO A MOTION. OKAY. WE, UM, BUT, AND YOU CAN SAY THE PREVIOUSLY, THE VERY FIRST MOTION, RIGHT? THE PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED FIRST MOTION OF APPROVAL. READ ALL THE NUMBERS. I'M NOT READING THEM AGAIN. NO, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO READ ALL THE NUMBERS . BUT YOU CAN, YOU NEED TO SAY CONSIDERATION OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN AND WHETHER YOU'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVED, OKAY. EXCUSE ME. PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. AND WHETHER YOU'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR. OKAY. SO AS CONSIDERATION OF THE PLAN, UH, DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UH, LOCATED OFF BURG ROAD, US HIGHWAY 17 TO BE KNOWN AS PINTEL CREEK ROAD OR QUINTEL, PENTEL CREEK, PDD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE BASED ON THE, UM, PREVIOUS, PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, UM, UH, WHAT WAS IT? CONDITIONS. CONDITIONS, YES. THANK YOU. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. I, I'M, I'M GONNA VOTE. AYE. ONLY BECAUSE I WANTED TO GO TO COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION. I DON'T WANNA SEE SOMETHING. I DON'T WANNA SEE SOMETHING GO TO COUNCIL WHERE THIS, THIS, THIS BOARD DID NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND IT, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T GET THERE. SO I WILL VOTE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. . OH WAIT, WE GOTTA VOTE FOR THE SECOND ONE. OH, WE GOT A SECOND ONE. UM, MAKE A SAME, MAKE A MO I MAKE A MOTION OF CONSIDERATION OF INITIAL ACTION PLAN, UH, FOR PARTIALS. DO I NEED TO READ ALL OF 'EM OFF? PARTIALS 0 3 9 0 0 0 1. 0 0 3 0 3. 9 0 0 0 1. ZERO THREE. 0 0 3. 9 0 0 0 1, 0 3 1 AND 0 3 9 0 0 0 1 0 3 2, LOCATED OFF OF BURG ROAD IN US HIGHWAY 17, KNOWN TO BE KNOWN AS PINTAIL CREEK, PDD. WITH THIS, DO I NEED TO DO THE CONDITIONS AS WELL FOR THAT ONE? OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. [02:40:01] WE ABOUT SHOPPING. OH, THANKS. OKAY, KATHY, THANKS FOR COMING. THANK YOU . I'M, I'M GLAD YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. , APPRECIATE IT. I DO APOLOGIZE FOR MY CONFUSION. UM, APPARENTLY I HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH CAFFEINE TODAY. UM, NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN EVERYONE CLEARED OUT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT A HAPPIER TOPIC. UM, AND THIS ONE I THINK IS GOING TO HELP US A LOT IN THE FUTURE ON SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, SOME OF THESE DECISIONS. UM, WE ARE IN PR PROCESS, AS I MENTIONED, SEVERAL TIMES OF, OF KICKING OFF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. I KNOW IT'S, THIS ONE'S GONNA BE, I I CAN'T, THIS ONE'S GONNA BE FUN. IT'S GONNA BE FUN, IT'S GONNA BE EXCITING. AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT YOU TOLD ME LAST TIME. NO, WE NEVER, WE'VE NEVER TOLD YOU THIS BEFORE. SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH SOME SLIDES AND TRY TO, UM, REIGN IN MY EXCITEMENT AND REIGN IN MY SILLINESS, UH, OF MY, EXCUSE ME, PLANNER GEEK, AND GET YOU SOME REAL USEFUL INFORMATION AND HELPFUL INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE GONNA NEED OVER THE NEXT YEAR. UM, HELLO. THERE WE GO. SLOW TODAY, UM, WE HAVE HIRED THE CITY HAS HIRED WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, UM, A CONSULTANT, UM, HOUSEHOLD LEVINE. UM, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEM. THEY'RE AN URBAN PLANNING AND GEOSPATIAL DETIAL DESIGN FIRM DELIVERING INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS FOR A BETTER TOMORROW. UM, THIS IS THE ONE OF THE, THE 11 THAT WE RECEIVED THAT ACTUALLY WE BELIEVE AND, AND COULD SEE IN THEIR PRODUCTS THAT THEY'VE HAD IN OTHER PLACES THAT THEY'RE REALLY GONNA GET THAT GIVE US THAT, THAT DOCUMENT AND THAT RESULT. UM, IT'S AN URBAN PLANNING FIRM. THEY PARTNER WITH ESRI, WHICH IS THE, UM, GIS MAPPING CONSULTANTS. SO WE'RE GONNA GET A VERY DYNAMIC, VERY, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PLAN THAT'S GONNA SIT ON A SHELF. WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PLAN THAT YOU CAN LOG INTO AND LOOK AT AND INTERACT WITH. UM, THEY, ONE OF THE, THEIR PRIORITIES IS, WHICH IS THE FOURTH BULLET THERE. OUR PRIORITIES ARE TO DO GOOD WORK, WORK SMART, HAVE FUN, AND PROVIDE VISIONARY, RESPONSIVE, AND VI VIABLE SOLUTIONS FOR OUR CLIENTS AND PARTNERS. UM, THEY, WE, KATIE AND I WENT TO A CONFERENCE WITH THEM LAST WEEK, TWO WEEKS AGO. TWO WEEKS AGO. UH, SO OCTOBER IS SO BUSY. UM, AND IT WAS BASED FOR PLANNING DIRECTORS USING GIS AND SOME OF THEIR TECHNIQUES, UM, TO GET THAT DONE. AND WE WERE BLOWN AWAY TO SAY THE LEAST. AND EVERYBODY THAT WE TALKED TO, OUR TEAM IS LED BY, UM, JOSH KUNTZ AND ANDREA BARNES IS, IS A CLOSE SECOND. HE, SHE'S HIS RIGHT HAND. UM, AND WE, WE HEARD WE GOT THE A TEAM AND UM, WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. SO HAVING KNOWN THAT WE GOT THIS, THIS FIRM COMING IN TO HELP US AND IT IS A NATIONAL FIRM AWARD WIN AWARD, AWARD-WINNING FIRM. UM, THIS IS SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON CURRENTLY. THEY WILL GO LIVE RELATIVELY SOON. I DON'T KNOW EXACT WHAT OUR, OUR STAFF IS WORKING ON GETTING ALL OF OUR GIS THINGS LOADED IN SO THEY CAN GET OUR PROJECT WORKS WEBSITE UP AND RUNNING. THAT INCLUDES A THING CALLED MAP.SOCIAL, WHERE WHEN YOU GO IN AND LOOK AT THE WEBSITE AND YOU'RE GONNA BE, UM, PUTTING IN RECOMMENDATIONS, DOING THE COMMUNITY SURVEY OR THE COMMUNITY FACILITY SURVEY, WHICH IS MORE COMMERCIALLY BASED, THEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT, UM, MANIPULATING THE MAP, SEEING THINGS, FIGURING OUT THINGS, PUTTING AN INTERSECTION THAT YOU KNOW IS BAD IN THERE. UM, PUTTING IN DIFFERENT THINGS ACROSS THE BOARD. NOT JUST BAD, BUT ALSO GOOD, ALSO GOOD THINGS, , UM, THINGS YOU REALLY LIKE, THINGS YOU LIKE THINGS, IT'S, IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD. IT'S GONNA BE VERY INTERACTIVE AND IT'S GONNA BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND WE'RE GOING TO REACH FOR AS MUCH ENGAGEMENT AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE KEPT HEARING WAS, UM, WE WON'T ENGAGE EVERYONE, NOT JUST THE REALLY VOCAL PEOPLE, BUT ANYONE AND EVERYONE AND TRY TO GET AS MUCH OUTTA THIS AS WE CAN. SO SAVE YOUR DATES JANUARY 7TH AND EIGHTH. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON THAT DAYS, BUT THERE WILL BE INVOLVEMENT BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING SOME VISIONING. THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING SOME PUBLIC EVENTS, SOME INDIVIDUAL INTERVIEWS, LOTS OF ENGAGEMENT, LOTS OF INTERACTION, LOTS OF ON THE GROUND, BOOTS ON THE GROUND, SURVEYS, EVERYTHING. UM, THEY'RE GONNA MEET WITH EACH DEPARTMENT HEAD, THEY'RE GONNA MEET WITH STAFF. [02:45:01] UM, SO SEVENTH AND EIGHTH, JUST TRY TO BE AROUND FOR THOSE DATES IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. UM, WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO, TO GET THAT GOING. UM, AND IT'S GONNA BE FUN. UM, SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN OUR OUTCOME IS IT'S A YEAR LONG PROCESS. UM, IT'S GOING TO BE A MUCH MORE INTERACTIVE PROCESS PRODUCT. IT'S GOING TO BE DYNAMIC, IT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO GUIDE US IN THESE TOUGH DECISIONS AND, AND PLANNING AND GROWTH. WHAT WE'VE LEARNED SINCE 2019 IS HARDY V'S. CHANGED SO MUCH. WE HAD A COMP PLAN THAT WAS A LITTLE OLD SCHOOL AND NOT ABLE TO, TO BE DYNAMIC AND WORK WITH US AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES AS WE'VE GROWN. UM, WE WANNA HEAR ALL VOICES, NOT JUST THE LOUDEST, AND ENSURE THAT IT'S COMPREHENSIVE. THERE ARE 10 ELEMENTS REQUIRED BY THE STATE AND WE ARE GOING TO HIT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM. NOT JUST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND NOT JUST NATURAL RESOURCES. WE'RE GOING ACROSS THE BOARD, INCLUDING RESILIENCY, INCLUDING TRANSPORTATION. UM, SO IT IS GOING TO BE A, A LARGE UNDERTAKING AND WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. SO I THINK THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I JUST WANTED TO, UM, GIVE YOU A LITTLE OVERVIEW OF THAT AND GET YOU HOPEFULLY AS EXCITED AS WE ARE AND PREPARED TO HAVE SOME, SOME TIME TO SPEND WITH US AND, AND THE COMMUNITY. I'M EXCITED, BUT I STILL DON'T WANT IT TO RUN LIKE THE LAST ONE. IT WILL NOT, THEY WON'T LET THAT HAPPEN. HOW LONG DID IT WAS A YEAR AND A HALF? NO, IT WAS FOUR YEARS, SIR. YEAR AND A HALF. IT WAS FOUR YEARS. . IT WAS FOUR YEARS. I'M BE, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO SCARE THESE GUYS. IT'S IN THE CONTRACT. IT'S A YEAR. . OH, THEY HAVE FOUR YEARS. . NO, THEY HAVE ONE YEAR. AND THESE, THESE PEOPLE ARE ONE OF THE TOP-NOTCH FIRMS THAT WE'VE EVER DEALT WITH. WE, THE INTERACTION WE'VE HAD WITH THEM SO FAR, I'M TELLING YOU ARE GONNA HAVE A GREAT TIME. WELL GOING, GOING THROUGH THEIR PACKET. THEY, THEY DID STAND OUT TO ME. YEAH, JUST HOW COMMITTED ARE THEY TO HAVING FUN? UM, , THEY MENTIONED IT. THEY'VE MENTIONED IT EVERY TIME WE'VE TALKED TO THEM. SO DO YOU WANT MARGARITA BOX? ALRIGHT, , THEY'RE THE EXPERTS. I'LL WAIT FOR THEM TO AND WE'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH, BUT I'LL JUST HIT A COUPLE OF THE PROJECTS FOR YOU. UM, PLEASANT BROOK GOES TO SECOND READING ON THE 20TH. UM, SO IT IS GOING THROUGH COUNCIL RIGHT NOW. UM, SOUTH POINT HAS BEEN TABLED TO THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY. THERE WILL BE ANOTHER WORKSHOP FOR PARCEL 13, WHICH IS THE TOWN HOME PROJECT. UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY REVIEWING ASCEND AT CAROLINA STATION, WHICH IS AT THE MORGAN TRACK. IT IS ANOTHER MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT ORIGINAL INITIAL MASTER PLAN APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR. UM, SO THAT'S IN STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEW RIGHT NOW. UM, BRIANNA AND I HAVE DONE A LOT OF COORDINATION ON A TRANSPORTATION RESILIENCY PLAN WITH THE LATS GROUP THROUGH ELK HOG. UM, WE'VE SUBMITTED SOME POTENTIAL PROJECTS TO BE INCLUDED IN A PLAN SO THAT HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET FUNDING A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR SOME THINGS. SUCH AS, UM, THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE DESPERATELY NEED AT 3 21 AND 17 AND BOYD STREET. UM, THAT'S JUST NOT A GOOD INTERSECTION AT ALL RIGHT NOW. UM, AND SOME OTHER POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS FOR FLOODING ON SOME OF OUR ROADWAYS. UM, WE ACTUALLY WERE SURPRISED DURING THE INITIAL WORKSHOP THAT WE ATTENDED THAT WE, , BLUFFTON WAS SITTING THERE AND THEY WERE LIKE, OH, WELL WHY ARE WE EVEN HERE? WE'RE HARDLY SHOWING UP ON THIS MAP. HARDY V IS IS THE FOCUS OF THIS PLAN. BASICALLY. IT'S, IT'S GREAT, IT'S A REGIONAL PLAN, BUT OUR ROADWAYS ARE MORE, UM, SUSCEPTIBLE TO CERTAIN ISSUES THAN OTHERS. SO WE'RE GOING TO HOPEFULLY GET SOME FUNDING OUTTA THAT. UM, AND THEN A VOICE. AND WE, AND WE HAVE A VOICE. AND THEN THE FINAL THING WE'VE, BRANDON MENTIONED WE'VE BEEN PLANNING GEEKS LAST MONTH, , UM, WE DID PRESENT ON THE, UM, CHALLENGES OF RAPID GROWTH AT THE SOUTH CAROLINA, NORTH CAROLINA JOINT PLANNING CONFERENCE. UM, WE HAD OVER 200 PEOPLE ATTEND OUR SESSION AND WE FELT LIKE ROCK STARS. SO, UM, HAD TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. IT WAS, IT WAS, IT'S BEEN FUN. SO, BUT I, I GUESS THEY FIGURED IF ANYBODY KNEW ABOUT RAPID GROWTH, IT WAS US. SO THAT WAS GOOD TIME. BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS. START WITH RICK. I'M GOOD. HE'S GOOD, JEFF. WELL I'M THRILLED THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER AT THE NEXT MEETING. UM, [02:50:03] ONE THING I'D LIKE TO YOU START WHILE WE WERE, WHILE WE WERE MEETING TODAY, SO, ALRIGHT, GREAT. THAT'S GREAT. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO CIRCULATE TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE REPORT OR LETTER OR WHATEVER IT IS FROM THAT THIRD PARTY PERSON ON THE THING THAT WE DID TODAY? I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE WHAT IT IS AND WHAT THEY SAY BEFORE WE MEET WITH THIS OTHER GUY. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THAT. UH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, MAKING TIME TO MEET WITH ME ON MONDAY. SO I WAS PREPARED FOR TODAY, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. NOPE, YOU'RE GOOD DUDE. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU'S. I WANT TO THANK, UM, JEFF A FILLING IN FOR ME LAST MONTH AND KEEPING ME INFORMED OF WHAT WAS GOING ON. UM, IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK. I JUST HAVE ONE, ONE QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE, I, I KNOW MATT IS THE, THE TRAFFIC GURU OR THE HIGHWAY GURU. CAN, CAN, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE COMMISSION TO GET MAYBE A, A FUZZY TIMELINE ON ON YEAH, I, ON CONSTRUCTION UPDATES I WILL GET, UM, WITH MATT AND OUR, UM, CITY ENGINEER CARLA, UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE YOU A REPORT THAT COULD GO ALONG WITH WHAT THE TRAFFIC AND ENGINEER'S GONNA BE TELLING YOU. UM, NEXT. YEAH, BECAUSE UM, WITH, WITH THE, THE EAST AGENT TODAY, IT, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS AND UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY A LOT OF THINGS ARE PLANNED AND A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MADE, BUT THERE'S THRESHOLDS THAT ARE INVOLVED, THERE'S TIMING, THERE'S FUNDING, UM, AND UM, THERE'S DOT THEY MIGHT SAY YES, IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN IMMEDIATELY. SO, UM, WE WILL HAVE ALL OF THAT, UM, SPELLED OUT FOR YOU AS, AS BEST WE CAN ALONG WITH UM, ANYTHING ELSE THAT MIGHT COME FORWARD FOR DECEMBER? UM, THERE'S A, A COMMENT, AND I'VE HEARD IT FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, THE TURN LANES, WE LOVE THEM, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE 'EM AT NIGHT. WELL THEY, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN FINISHED YET. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN STRIPED FULLY. UM, THEY, THEY DID BLOCK OFF THE ONE, UM, BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USING IT YET. 'CAUSE YOU GOT TO, OH, THEY WERE . YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A RECEIVING LINE AND, UM, PEOPLE, YOU CAN'T JUST PAVE SOMETHING AND USE IT IMMEDIATELY. SO THAT IS STILL PART OF THE PROCESS. IT'S, IT'S AN ONGOING PROJECT. UM, WHEN IT'S COMPLETED, THEN THEY WILL, UM, THEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO, UM, ADDRESS IT. BUT THOSE, THAT'S ALL IN THE PLAN, SIR. THAT INTERSECTION IS, I, I I, I AL I ALMOST THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS THE INTERSECTION JEFF WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU TAKE YOUR CHANCE, YOU GO, YOU GET BRAVE BECAUSE SINCE, SINCE THE TURN LANES WE'VE HAD TWO WELL, THAT THEY, THEY, THEY'VE CERTAINLY PUT IN SOME MEASURES. I KNOW WE HAVE POLICE OUT THERE AT NIGHT. UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOTS, I KNOW IT'S DARK OUT THERE AT NIGHT. I MEAN IT'S VERY OBVIOUS, BUT THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF SOME OF THESE ROADS AND, UM, THEY ARE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS AND FINISHING THE PROJECT. IT'S NOT COMPLETED YET. SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, I I THINK IT'S GREAT. I LIKE THEM BUT THEY ARE HARD TO SEE AT NIGHT. . OKAY. ANYONE FINAL COMMENTS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR A AYE. SO MOVED. AND THANK YOU CHIEF BRAD FOR BEING HERE FOR US. WHERE'S THE LUNCH AT? DID THEY BRING LUNCH? KATIE? DID Y'ALL BRING LUNCH? TALKING ABOUT, I WAS RUNNING OUTTA CANDY UP HERE. KATIE, WE GOT YOUR PIN BACK. OH, YOU ACTUALLY DETERMINED. YEAH. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A SNACK BOX. BOX. GREAT TO HAVE YOU BACK, STEVE. SEE YOU NEXT MONTH. YEAH, HOPEFULLY NEXT MONTH. I WON'T HAVE THAT CAGE. UH, YOU LEAVING THESE HERE? JEFF, DID YOU WANT 'EM OR NO? OKAY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.