* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:04:55] [00:06:19] I DON'T, IT'S, HOW ABOUT THAT? IS THAT BETTER? I THINK SO, YES. SEE, IT'S HEAVILY WOODED, UM, WITH THE, OH, YEAH. [00:10:34] UH, YES. HOW MAY, MAY I ASK ONE QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT? YES, THANK YOU. MY NAME IS JOHN HOUSTON. I LIVE AT 2 64 FLOOR IN THE, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THIS PARCEL I 1982. YES, SIR. I UNDERSTAND IT WAS ORIGINALLY FILED. YES. I'LL LET THE MANAGER. SO FOR DECORUM PURPOSES, WHAT WE DO IS THE CONVERSATION TAKES PLACE WITH COUNSEL, NOT BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE. AND SO, MR. HOUSTONS, IF YOU COULD ASK YOUR QUESTIONS TO COUNSEL. COUNSEL, THEN WE TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND ASK THE INFORMATION. YEAH. AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, UH, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UM, THE DIRECTOR, UH, STOOD UP AND SAID THAT THERE WAS A CONTRACT ON THE PROPERTY THAT WAS CONTINGENT UPON THIS, UH, APPLICATION BEING APPROVED, SUPPOSED TO BE TAKEN INTO THE CITY TOWN, HARVILLE. AND HAS THE ZONING CHANGED? THAT'S WHAT, UH, THE LADY SAID AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. AND SO WE HAVE A COPY OF THAT CONTACT. CAN WE HAVE A COPY OF THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION? CAN WE [00:15:10] I OWN THE PROPERTY. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. THAT IS CORRECT. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, I, LIKE A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS OF LEVY DO NOT HAVE A WAY TO ACCESS THE WEBSITE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ON THE INTERNET. WE DO NOT HAVE COMPUTERS AND LOOKED AT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN LINCOLN LOOK AND HAVE A COPY OF THE CONTRACT. THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT FOR US. BUT YOU SAID LAST TIME THAT THERE WAS A CONTRACT TO SELL THE PROPERTY. I, I SAID IF, IF THEY WERE, THEY WERE DEALING WITH THAT SITUATION, THAT WAS NOT, THE CITY'S NOT PART OF THAT. NO, BUT YOU SAID THAT I POINT OUT TO YOU, UH, MR. MAYOR, THAT I, UH, TALKED TO THE CLERK TO TRY AND FIND OUT THE STATUS OF ALL. [00:20:04] YES, SIR. I UNDERSTAND THAT. YES, SIR. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUT THE FACTS. WE HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO NOTICE, AND WE HAVE THOSE CONSTITUTIONAL MORNING EVERYONE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [00:25:08] NOW WE'RE JUST HERE TO, ON THE RESIDENCE THAT CORY IS ADJACENT TO HIM TO THE SOUTH. AND NOW HERE COMES THIS SOLAR PANEL PROJECT WHERE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT THERE TO HIS NORTH. AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST GETTING, AND THERE'S TOO NEIGHBORHOODS. THERE'S PARALLEL ESTATE, THERE'S, UM, LAKE WITH, YOU KNOW, NICE RESIDENTIAL FAMILIES. SO I'M JUST HERE TO ASK 50 YEARS FROM NOW, IF WE LET THIS GO INDUSTRIAL, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE? APPRECIATE, THANK YOU. UH, HERE. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME MICHELLE, MY LEAVING. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CONSIDERING TO COME THAT WE CAN DIALOGUE AND TALK ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TALKED ABOUT. AND ALSO, MR. MORGAN, THOSE WILL BE IN THE MEETING AS WELL. WE, WE ARE GRATEFUL, THANKFUL THAT YOU ALL WILL COME AND BE IN THE MIDST OF THIS CONVERSATION, BUT WE CAN SEE HOW, HOW WE ARE DOING, BECAUSE I'M, I HAVE SOME PROPERTY MYSELF, RIGHT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROPE WORLD. SO I THANK THE MORE COMMUNICATION WE HAVE TOGETHER, THE BETTER WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT THAT ARE GOING TO BE PLACED THERE. BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE, WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT WE WANT TO DO OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND WE DON'T WANT THIS TO AFFECT WHAT WE ANTICIPATE TO DO WITH THE SOUL FAMILY AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF, BUT, YOU KNOW, FIGHTING AGAINST AND ALL OF THAT. SO WE, WE WANT YOU ALL TO LOOK AT US WITH ALL YOUR EYES AND ASK SOMEBODY ELSE TO LOOK AT US TOO, BECAUSE WE WANT STAY IN A COMMUNITY WHERE RESIDENTS CAN COME IN AND ENJOY THEMSELVES BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY ENEMY IN SOUTH END . NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO, OR YOU GOING, GOING TO ANNEX EXIT TO THE CITY, AND THEN WE STILL ARE LEFT OUT. BUT I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A COUNTY PRESERVATION IN THAT AREA. WE ARE IN THE COUNTY. SO I, I WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW THE CITY IS GOING TO DO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. AND THEN WE ARE LOCATED IN THE COUNTY, SO WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME OUT. YOU WANNA COME AND TALK WITH US TO SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE FOR THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU, DR. NEIL. UM, YOU TOOK ME ON A RIDE. YES, I DO. IN YOUR PROPERTY, WHERE IS THAT IN RELATION TO THIS? UH, NOW THIS PROJECT, WHAT WE NOW THE, THE, THIS PROJECT ON LOCAL, [00:30:01] WHERE IS YOUR, YOUR PROPERTY IN RELATION TO THIS? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CONJUNCTION IS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, UH, WHAT SIDE ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND THIS PROPERTY MUST BE ON THE OTHER SIDE. THE, TRYING JUST FOR, SO COUNCIL, LAST YEAR, QUITE SOME TIME AGO, DR. UH, TOOK MILA A RIDE BACK THERE OFF TO HER PROPERTY OR . UM, AND SOME HAVE IN THE SUPPORT PROGRAM. SO, UH, RIGHT? YES. UH, BRANDON, DO YOU KNOW? I DO NOT KNOW. I, I DATED THAT LOOK THIS OVER HERE, THIS LARGER MAP. UM, THIS IS 3, 3 15. AND THIS IS WHERE RIVER ROAD TURNS OFF, RIGHT? UM, THE PROPERTY IS OFF TO THE RIGHT OF, I'M OFF TO THE LEFT. OKAY, SO THEN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ALL. SO YOU TURN OFF HERE, THIS IS THE LOOP DOWN HERE. AND RIVER ROAD CONTINUES THE BACK, YOUR BACK, THESE RESIDE AND STUFF BACK HERE. YOU'RE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE HERE. SO IT WOULD BE RIGHT ACROSS. I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THERE'S, SO THAT WOULD BE THIS WHAT BE YES. THAT ONE. YES. RIGHT. YEAH, THAT'S, BUT IT'S STILL ON ROAD. THAT'S WHY I'M JUST, OKAY. I JUST WANT, I JUST WANT COUNCIL TO HAVE AN IDEA. THE BIG OF THE BIG YES. BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAD A LONG TIME AGO SHOWN ME YOUR PROPERTY BACK THERE. OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU. THE ONLY THING THAT'S HOLDING DEVELOPMENT IS MONEY. SO YOU PRAY FOR DEVELOPMENT HELP. GOOD MORNING, 1148. I WAS AT THE OCTOBER 8TH MEETING, AND I'LL SAY THAT, UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE COUNCIL, OR THAT WAS HERE THAT DAY, C DENIED THIS APPLICATION. BUT THE LAST SPEAKER WAS THE FIRE MARSHAL AND HE BROUGHT, UM, A LOT OF WISDOM TO THE TABLE AND SAID BASICALLY THE SOLAR FARM WHERE IT KEPT ON FIRE, THEY COULDN'T SAVE US. THAT THE, THAT IT WAS REALLY A BIG ISSUE OF THE FIRE APPARATUS BEING ABLE TO GET TO AREA. SO IT, WE CAN TAKE A PAUSE, SORT OF LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE OF LIKE LOSING SOMETHING SO FARM AND IT FOR . SO IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. THIS WHOLE BIG PROJECT, UH, I WAS AT THAT MEETING AND, UM, COUNSEL, UM, WITH, WITH, UH, MR. CHIEF SAYING IF WE ADD US IN, SO NOW IT'S OUR FIRE RESPONSIBILITY AND, YOU KNOW, ACCESS, UH, FROM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE FIRE STATIONS, THE RIVERPORT TO HERE, UM, WOULD BE QUITE A DISTANCE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT. THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT. AND MR. AVER, UH, WE NEED TO HAVE CHIEF HERE THURSDAY. OKAY. BECAUSE I'M JUST GIVING A SUMMARY. MM-HMM . HE'S THE EXPERT. LET'S, LET'S SEE IT FROM, UM, ANYONE ELSE? FROM THE PUBLIC. OKAY. UM, NOW I CALL COUNCIL TO ALL THESE COMMENTS AND COUNSEL, UH, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ASK? UH, EITHER STAFF, THE OWNERS OR THE PUBLIC? YES, MR. MAYER? I DO [00:35:01] TO BEGIN WITH, COULD WE PUT, UH, OVERLAY, UH, OUR GROWTH BOUNDARY UP SHOWING PROXIMITY TO THIS PROPERTY? MM-HMM . I THINK, UH, STEVE, ALL OF THE IS WITHIN OUR EASY THING TO SAY IS IT GOES DOWN THREE 15 GOES DOWN THREE. YEAH. OKAY. THAT, THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION. MY CONCERNS, I AGREE WITH THE ZONING. ONCE ZONE, ALWAYS ZONE. UM, WE CAN'T BACK OUTTA THAT. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU WOULD, BUT THAT ALWAYS HAS TO BE A CONCERN. UM, SECOND IS, IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS, RIGHT, THIS AREA UP IN HERE LOOKS TO ME LIKE VERTICAL, LOOKS LIKE FARM TREES, PROPERTY IN QUESTION. AND YOU HAVE SAID THAT IT'S LOADED WITH NUMEROUS HARDWOODS. SO IT'S NOT A PLANNED, UH, TREE FARM, SO TO SPEAK. IT'S NOT PLANNED WITH . SO THERE ARE A LOT OF HARDWOODS IN THERE. I HAVEN'T DONE A TREE SURVEY, BUT THAT IS WHAT WE SEE FROM THE, UM, THE AREA. OKAY. MY CONCERN ON THAT IS THIS COUNCIL IN THE PAST IS BEEN BASICALLY AN NINE FIELD SUPPORT. HE SADDLE WITH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WERE MADE 20 YEARS AGO THAT HAVE ALLOWED CLEAR CUTTING, TAKING ALL TRUTHS, IT HARDWOOD AS ALL THAT STOPS WITH ME. I CANNOT AGREE TO THAT ANYMORE. THESE ARE HARDWOODS, THESE ARE, THIS IS NATURE THAT WE NEED TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT BEFORE WE START CUTTING, CUTTING DOWN ALL THESE TREES. IF THIS WAS A VITICULTURE LAND, MAYBE, UM, MY THOUGHTS WOULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT THAT'S A VERY LARGE CONCERN, UH, PROXIMITY TO WETLANDS. DO WE, IS THERE ANY WETLANDS, UH, BORING THE PROPERTY OR CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY? AT, AT THIS, WITH THIS STAGE? WHEN WE AT JUST ANNEXATION AND ZONING, WE DO NOT ASK FOR WETLANDS DELINEATION. I KNOW THAT, UM, IN THAT AREA, THERE ARE SOME OTHERS. YOU CAN SEE THE, THE COLORS ON THE MAP, BUT I CANNOT VERIFY THAT, SIR. MATT, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT, PLEASE MR. HOUSTON TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, MR. HOUSTON? NO, WE ARE, WE ARE IN CAMP COUNSEL. I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION ABOUT THE WEAPONS THEN, THEN, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK. OKAY. BACK. I WANNA SAY IN, IN, IN THE ORDER THAT IS REQUIRED FOR , RESPECTIVELY, MR. HOUSTON, I'M SURE STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ME WITH THOSE ANSWERS PRIOR TO THURSDAY AS AS WE COME, BECAUSE I JUST HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS OVER THIS. WHILE I MAY BE A PROPONENT OF ALTERNATIVE ENERGY, I HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, NOT ONLY FOR THE SANCTITY OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF, UM, BUT UH, THE COMMUNITY OF LEAVE. UM, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY AND ENJOYMENT OF YOUR PROPERTIES. UM, AND I HAVE TO WEIGH THAT AS, AS I, AS I LOOK ON THIS, BUT I JUST, THE BETWEEN THE ZONING AND THE CUTTING WALL, THE TREES, WHICH HAVE TO BE DONE FOR A SOLAR FARM. I'VE SEEN THESE GIANT SOLAR FARMS BEFORE I'VE BEEN OUT WEST. I'VE SEEN ONES THAT HAVE BEEN THREE, 400 ACRES. UM, WHAT DOES IT DO TO THE WILDLIFE? WILDLIFE IS ALREADY ON THAT, THAT, THAT AREA THERE. HOW DOES IT CHANGE? UM, THE, THE FLOW OF WATER, YOU TAKE OUT THE TREES, YOU TAKE OUT THE GRASSES, THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ABSORB THE WATER THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THERE. HOW WILL THIS, THIS 30 ACRES, HOW WILL IT AFFECT DRAINAGE IN THE AREA? WHERE WILL THAT RUN OFF WATER BE GOING? THOSE ARE ANSWERS THAT WE DON'T HAVE. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, MY SUPPORT OF THIS WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THOSE ANSWERS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WILL COUNSEL? UM, I DO. SO HAS, SINCE YOU WANNA PUT A SOLAR PHONE HERE, HERE, HAVE Y'ALL DONE ANY STUDIES OR DONE ANY RESEARCH THE EPA AND HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT THE ENVIRONMENT? UH, YES, PLEASE, SIR. YES, YES, YES. UH, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, WITHIN 10 YEARS AGO, WE DID A WETLAND STUDY AND THERE WAS WETLANDS ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILE AWAY. NOTHING IN THAT PARCEL RIGHT THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE HAD TO DO TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE GOING ON AREA. YOU HAVE NO DRAINING SYSTEM FAR AS, UH, COMMERCIAL DRAINING SYSTEM. [00:40:01] SO YOU HAVE REGULAR RUNOFF SECTIONS. THE WHERE THE WATER NATURALLY RUNS TO CERTAIN LOCATIONS, WE WOULD BE PUT IN A BOUNDARY DRAINAGE SECTION SO NO PROPERTY GET FLOODED AND IT'S ORGANIZED, RUN OFF FLOOD. SO THOSE WERE THE ONLY REQUIRED STUDIES WE HAD TO DO FAR AS, UH, ANY OTHER KNOW WILDLIFE ON OUR PROPERTY THERE, WILDLIFE IN, IN THAT IMMEDIATE SECTION THAT SED ANYTHING. SO WE, THAT'S WHY WE MOVED FORWARD. I MET MS. YOUNG A FEW YEARS AGO AND WE SPOKE, BUT SHE, SHE PROBABLY REMEMBER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THAT WAS ABOUT SEVEN, 10 YEARS AGO. AND ALSO, I KNOW HER DAUGHTER, MS. LAUREN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AS WELL. AND THEY LIVE RIGHT, UH, ABOUT TWO PARTS, LIKE UP THE OLD RAILROAD TRACK ROAD AND EVERYTHING, UH, SQUARE AND EVERYTHING. AT THIS MOMENT, THERE'S NO, UH, HINDRANCE, DPA. SO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS ALL THE RUNOFF FROM THE SOLAR FARM, WE WERE JUST GOING TO RUN IT OFF INTO THE REGULAR STORM WATER DRAINS AND SO FORTH. AND WE ALSO PUTTING IN A THROUGH BOUNDARY STORM WATER RUNOFF. OKAY. UM, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE TOXICITY LEVELS OF THE SOLAR PANEL INSTALLED? TOXIC, TOXIC CITY OFF THOSE SOLAR PANELS THROUGH THE SURROUNDING WATER SYSTEM AND UM, WELL THEY, THE GROUND WATER SYSTEMS? WELL, WELL, THE PANELS, NO, NOT, WE'RE NOT SITTING ON THE GROUND. WE WOULD HAVE THEM, UH, RACK ELEVATED. SO THERE'S NO CONTACT WITH THE ACTUAL PANEL ON THE GROUND. ANY WASTE FROM THE PANELS WILL BE ACTUALLY THE, UH, THE DIRT WASTE THAT COMES OFF THE PANEL ONCE THEY'RE CLEAN AND THE CHEMICALS THEY USE TO CLEAN THE PANELS. THAT'S THE ONLY, UH, OBJECTIVE FAR AS TOXIC, TOXIC WASTE GOING ON TO THE GROUND. SO YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY TOXICITY WITHIN THE METAL PAGINGS IN THE PANEL? ANYTHING YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF WHAT TOXIC MATERIALS ARE WITHIN THE SOLAR PANELS? YOU HAVE DONE THOSE STUDIES ABOUT THAT ARE AWARE? NO. JUST, OKAY. SO I LOVE THE RESEARCH. I RESEARCH THINGS FIT. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SO SOLAR PANELS HAVE TOXIC METAL COMPONENTS CONTAIN THE MANUFACTURING OF SOLAR PANELS, USES HAZARDOUS AND TOXIC ELEMENTS LIKE HYDROCHLORIC ACID, GALLIUM ARSENIDE, SULFURIC ACID, COPPER INDIAN, AND GALLIUM DELLA NINE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. BAD STUFF. OKAY? AND IN 2016, THE INTERNATIONAL RENEWABLE ENERGY AGENCY, ALSO KNOWN AS IRENA, CAME UP WITH A STUDY THAT REVEALS THAT THERE WERE 250,000 METRIC TONS OF SOLAR PANEL WASTE AT THE END OF THAT YEAR. JUST WE'RE IN A VERY SMALL SECTION. ALL THIS STUFF IS GOING INTO A GROUND WATER. ANOTHER STUDY BY THE ELECTRIC POWER RESEARCH INSTITUTE CONCLUDED THAT THE DISPOSAL OF SOLAR PANELS IS MAJOR ISSUE AND TOXIC MATERIALS FROM THESE PANELS WILL LE INTO ALSO GO AND, AND AND SO FORTH AND SO FORTH. THERE IS A LOT OF NEGATIVES INTO SOLAR PANELS AND SOLAR PHONES. I AM NOT HAPPY WITH THIS BECAUSE I TELL YOU WHY, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW OUR WATER SYSTEM IS IN CRISIS. WE HAVE A HARD TIME PROVIDING CLEAN WATER TO WHAT'S AROUND US RIGHT NOW WITHOUT ANY OF THIS STUFF GETTING INTO THE GROUND WATER SYSTEM. SO RIGHT NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT ALL YOUR CONCERN ABOUT IS JUST THE DIRT AND THE CLEANING OF THOSE SOLAR PANELS THAT'S GOING TO RUN INTO A WATER SYSTEM, BUT YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT THE TOXICITY OF THE MATERIALS THAT ARE BUILT, USED TO BUILD THE SYSTEM. AND THAT'S GOING TO STAY IN THE SYSTEM, THAT'S GOING TO BE INTO OUR SOLAR AND INTO OUR GROUND WATER AND EVENTUALLY INTO THE WATER SYSTEM THAT WE USE FOR DRINKING. SO LET, LEMME GIVE YOU ANOTHER STEP. THE WORLD'S LARGEST SOLAR FARM IN MOROCCO, [00:45:01] WHICH PRODUCES 580 MEGAWATT POWER, HAS THE SIZE OF 35,000 FOOTBALL FIELDS, A REGION IN INDIA CALLED , WHO HAS A SOLAR FARM THAT COVERS 10 SQUARE KILOMETERS, WHICH PRODUCES ONLY 600 MEGAWATTS OF. SO WHAT, WHAT AREN YOU GOING TO BE PRODUCING WITH THAT SECTION? I BELIEVE WE PRODUCING FIVE MEGAWATTS OF SUBJECT, JUST FIVE MEGAWATTS. YES MA'AM. OKAY. SO WITH THAT FIVE, UH, AND, AND IT SAYS HERE, FOR A NORMAL HOUSE, A 9.5 OR 9.45 KILOWATT SYSTEM WILL REQUIRE AN AREA OF 1,862 SQUARE FOOT ROOF. SO YOU SAID THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF ENERGY THAT'S GONNA BE PRODUCED BY THAT FARM IS WHAT, WHAT DID YOU SAY AGAIN? SOLELY FIVE MEGAWATTS. FIVE MEGAWATTS. SO WE ARE GOING TO DO FIVE MEGAWATTS OF ENERGY AND WE ARE GOING TO POLLUTE THE GROUNDWATER SYSTEM WITH ALL THIS STUFF. I CAN'T EVEN CUT OUT HYDROCHLORIC ACID, GALLIUM ARSENAL, FU ACID, COPPER IN, IN MEDIUM, GALLIUM CEL KNIFE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. I I I'M SURE SOME OF THOSE THINGS I KNOW CAUSES CANCER SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINES. SO UN UNLESS YOU CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO EXTRACT ALL THIS STUFF AND MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS ABSOLUTELY, IT, IT TO ME, THIS IS LIKE THE RED FLAG. WHAT YOU BY SPACE, WELL, RESPECTFULLY, WE'RE NOT MANUFACTURING ANY SOLAR PANELS. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT RECYCLING ANY SOLAR PANEL FROM THE FACT OF THE CONSTRUCTION WITH ALL THE CHEMICALS AND THINGS THAT IT TAKES TO MAKE OF SOLAR PANEL THAT'S AT THE MANUFACTURING ASPECT OF THE SOLAR PANEL. THE THINGS THAT IT TAKES FROM THE PANEL WHEN IT'S RECYCLED, THAT'S AT THE RECYCLING PLANT OF THE MANUFACTURING. WHEN, WHEN THE ACTUAL SOLAR PLANTS ARE, ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED, CONSTRUCTED, WE'RE ONLY UTILIZING THE, THE PRODUCT ITSELF, WHICH IS AT THE POINT OF WHERE THE PANELS ARE SEALED, THE PANELS HAVE NO MATERIAL RUNOFFS, IT HAS NO CHEMICAL RUNOFFS BECAUSE THE PANELS IN USE, AND THERE'S WARRANTIES ON THE PANELS TO SHOW THAT ANY OF THE PRODUCTS THAT IT WAS USED TO MAKE WILL NOT CONTAMINATE THE WATER. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE READING, WHAT YOU'RE READING IS THE MANUFACTURING AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT MANUFACTURE IS IN, THAT'S, THAT'S, I'M NOT GOING TO SURE QUOTE THAT PART, BUT THAT DOESN'T TRANSFER TO THE USE OF THE PANEL. THE USE OF THE PANELS ARE GOING TO BE ELEVATED OFF THE GROUND AND THEY GONNA BE PUT ON RACK. SO THEY'RE NOT EVEN GOING HAVE ANY CONTACT WITH THE GROUND WHATSOEVER. WON'T EVEN BE ABLE TO SEE THE PANEL BECAUSE WE GONNA HAVE A BARRIER AROUND THE PANEL. SO THE ONLY TIME THAT ANY TOXIC CHEMICAL WILL BE APPLIED TO THAT PANEL WILL BE LIKE A, A A, A CHEMICAL TO ACTUALLY WASH OFF THE PANEL. AND THEN THAT'S NOT EVEN TOO MUCH CHEMICAL BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF SOLUTION OF DAWN AND A CLEAR COAT THAT GOES OVER THE, UH, THE FIBER GLASS OF THE PANEL. SO IT STAYS CLEAN AND WATER FREE AND DIRT FREE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. THAT STILL DOESN'T COME, UNFORTUNATELY. YES, MA'AM. UM, BECAUSE WHEN NEW RAINS, RAIN'S GONNA HIT THOSE PANIC AND PLACES WHERE YOU CAN COVER THEM BECAUSE IF YOU COVER THEM, THEN THAT DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF GENERATING. SO NO, I MEAN IT IS GLAZED, LIKE THE, THE MATERIAL ON THE PANEL. I HEAR YOU, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THEY CONTAIN THESE TOXIC COMPONENTS AND AT SOME STAGE OR THE OTHER DAYS, IT'S JUST LIKE ME THROWING A LITHIUM BATTERY IN THE TRASH WITHOUT DISPOSING OF THEM IN A SAFE MANNER. AND WHAT THE BATTERY DOES, IT EVENTUALLY LEAK STUFF AND IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LEAKING OUT THERE. SO OVER TIME THESE PANELS CAN DETERIORATE AND STOP. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE THERE MONITORING EVERY SINGLE DAY WHAT THESE THINGS ARE ARE GOING TO BE REACHING INTO THE SOIL. AND, AND SO THAT, THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT THESE, THESE CHEMICALS THAT'S GOING TO GO INTO OUR, AND THAT IS A BIG, BIG ISSUE. I MEAN, [00:50:01] IT, IT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE ONLY ISSUE BECAUSE YOU HAVE RESIDENCES, RIGHT? UM, MS. BROWN, ARE THERE ANY HOMES CLOSE TO THIS? UM, ? THERE ARE. OKAY. IN THIS AREA? IN THIS AREA DOWN HERE. OKAY. SO MAKE A SUGGESTION BECAUSE THIS IS A FACT FINDING SESSION. UM, JOSH BROWN, CAN WE HAVE THE THURSDAY, ANY SCIENCE REGARDING WHAT, YOU KNOW, BOTH? YEAH, THAT'S MR. IS NOT, IS SUGGESTING WHAT YOU'RE ANSWERING, WHAT IS THE SCIENCE? WILL THERE BE ANY ONE OVER? AND IF SO, WHAT IS IT AND HOW CAN IT BE CONTAINED? SO RATHER THAN I HEAR YOUR CONCERNS, I THINK WHAT WE DON'T HAVE HERE TODAY IS THE SCIENCE THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE. NO, FINE, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE. JOSH, CAN WE HAVE YES SIR. LET'S GET SOME SCIENCE HERE. OKAY, MR. MAYOR, THIS IS SOME SCIENCE I JUST PULLED OFF THE INTERNET, BUT THIS IS PRETTY MUCH STANDARD 30 ACRES OF GROUND WITH, UH, ONE INCH OF RAIN WHERE WE YIELDED 814,500 GALLONS OF RUN OFF WATER. THAT'S A LOT OF WATER OR ONE INCH OF RANGE. WE'VE HAD RANGE WHERE WE'VE HAD FOUR AND FIVE INCHES RANGE. YOUR CONTAINER, I DON'T BELIEVE A BURN AROUND THE PROPERTY IS GONNA BE ENOUGH OF A CONTAINER FOR THAT ISSUE. BEFORE WE COME TO THURSDAY, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, KNOW MORE ABOUT YOUR DRAINAGE AND YOUR CONTAIN PLANS FOR NO PROBLEM, SIR. OKAY. YES. SO I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT WE HAVE AS MUCH FACTUAL SCIENCE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THESE LEGITIMATE. MR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? UH, NO, SIR. THANK YOU. IS THAT ALL? YEAH. DID YOU DO RESEARCH? OH, I DID. I, I I HAVE A WHOLE FOLKS QUESTION. I THINK WHAT WE'D LIKE TO GET TO NEXT. OKAY. JUST GET FURTHER, GET CLOSER. OH, I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. I THINK, UM, WE WANNA BE FACT BASED, NOT OPINION BASED ON THIS. SO YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT ON THURSDAY COURSE? YES. JOHN, YOU HAVE, JOSH AND I TALKED A LOT OTHER DAY AND I ECHO SOME SENTIMENTS TOO. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UH, FIRST FOR THE OWNERS. YES, SIR. UH, THIS, DOES JASPER COUNTY KNOW ABOUT THIS? THEY'RE DEFINITELY PART OF THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS. UM, AND I, THROUGH THE WHOLE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH THEIR STAFF, THEIR STAFF IS THERE. OKAY. SO THIS APPLICATION DID NOT STATEMENTS THAT EARLIER, THIS APP, HAS THIS APPLICATION BEEN TAKEN TO JASPER COUNTY AND DENIED IT? NO. OKAY. UH, SO, AND I ASK THIS EVERYBODY, WHY AMEX, WHY NOT YOU STATE THIS TO JASPER COUNTY? BECAUSE IT IS IN JASPER COUNTY. OH, WE DID SPEAK WITH JEFFERS COUNTY AND THEY, THEY SAID THEY HAD SO MANY THINGS GOING ON THAT THEY COULDN'T ENTERTAIN AS FAR AS BRINGING IT INTO THEIR SYSTEM. SO THEY ADVISED US TO COME TO HARVILLE SYSTEM. SO THAT WAS THEIR RECOMMENDATION FOR US TO COME THROUGH . OKAY. UM, INTERESTING. NOW, UM, THE, THERE WAS A STATEMENT SAID IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT A NEW CLOSE DONUT, THIS IS THE BUILDING. IT'S NOT COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY NO. SO IT'S NOT A [00:55:01] GOTTA BE CONTIGUOUS AT SOME INCH OR SO THIS BEST, UM, VISUAL ON ITS LOCATION TO THE CITY . SO THE GRAY AREA IS HARD. ALL THE COLORS ORVILLE, THE GREEN IS, OKAY. UM, SO THE, THE OTHER THING THAT WAS SAID BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE LIKE INVESTMENT, RIGHT? YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE FURTHER. UM, AS, AS STATED, WHEN YOU'RE ASKING FOR A STRAIGHT RESIGN, IS ANYTHING THAT WOULD ALLOW IN LIMITED INDUSTRIAL WILL BE ALLOWED IN THIS PROPERTY? YES. SO, BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE NOT OUT THERE. THE SERVICES, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DEVELOPING, UM, LIMITED INDUSTRIAL DOES CREATE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF INTENSITY AND TRAFFIC AND MEDIA RESOURCES. AND THIS PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE THAT. SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS IF WE RESULT, SO SOMEBODY PUT UP THIS POINT BEFORE WHEN YOU RESOLVE IT, NOW YOU CAN DO YOU GET PERMISSION THREE WEEKS AFTERWARDS? YOU, YOU DECIDE WELL, OKAY, I DO DO AND THAT'S, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT YOU DO. I UNDERSTAND, BUT AS THE ALREADY MENTIONED, WHEN WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK AT IT FUTURE, ANY DECISION YOU MAKE 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THAT DECISION IS ALLOWED, SO TO SPEAK. ONCE WE GIVE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, IT'S ALWAYS THERE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK WHEN IT'S CHANGED. AND THAT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN STATING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. IT'S JUST, I'M, I'M REINFORCING WHAT HE SAID. UH, AND THAT OF COURSE IS WHY WE HAVE, WE HAVE AT THE, UM, COUNCIL MEETING. UH, ONE THING ALSO I WANTED THAT I WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND HAD ISSUE, AND I'VE HEARD THIS FROM OTHER PEOPLE IN MEETING BEFORE, ANNEXATION MUST BE THE DECISION OF THE LANDOWNER PARTY BILL CANNOT ANNEX, IT MUST BE THE ADAPTATION LAWS OF SOUTH CAROLINA. THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS THAT CITY CAN ACCESS NUMBER ONE, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THESE LANDOWNERS. SO ONE LANDOWNER CAN COME IN AND ASK FOR ANN EXTENSION, WE CAN MAKE A DECISION. OR IF THERE'S LIKE A COMPLEX 75% OF THAT MULTIPLE LANDOWNERS, THEY, THEY COME IN AND APPEAL, THEN THE CITY CAN MAKE A DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO HAVE IT RIGHT, BASICALLY. RIGHT. OKAY. SO WHEN THE PEOPLE LEAVE YOU, THIS COUNCIL CANNOT NOT COME IN AND TAKE OVER SAYING YOU'RE NOW IN THE CITY. THAT CAN'T HAPPEN. IT CAN ONLY HAPPEN IF YOU, YOU THE CITIZENS WANT THE HOUSE AND THEN WE, THE COUNCIL HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S RIGHT OR A CITY. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT WETLANDS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WETLANDS BE RECERTIFIED IN FIVE YEARS. IS IT YES. IF THE PERMITS HAVEN'T BEEN ATTAINED AND THINGS HAVEN'T HAPPENED? YES, SIR. IT'S THE REASON I ASK THAT QUESTION, POTENTIALLY. THIS HAS BEEN, AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT IT HAS NOT BEEN CERTIFIED IN THE LAST 10 YEARS. YOU MAY HAVE TO GO BACK AND GET RECERTIFICATION. JOSH . AM I, AM I CORRECT IN HERE? WE WE COULD, WE DIDN'T HAVE A WETLAND ON OUR PROPERTY, SO WE JUST CHECKED THE WETLAND. A YOU SITE DEVELOPMENT. WE WILL ASK FOR, UM, THE WETLAND DELINEATION AND IT'S THAT TOWN. IT WILL HAVE TO BE DETERMINED. THEY HAVE, IT WOULD'VE [01:00:01] TO BE A DELINEATION CONTRACT. YES, SIR. RIGHT? YEAH. BUT I THINK YES, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE FOR, FOR A SITE DEVELOPMENT, LAND DISTURBANCE PERMITS COULD BE ISSUED, BUT THAT IS MULTIPLE STEPS DOWN ROAD. SO WE DON'T KNOW, I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE SOMEBODY ASKED THE QUESTION HOW MUCH OF THAT 30 ACRES IS UPWARD AND HOW MUCH IS WET? AND IF IT'S WET, WHERE YOU DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW. NOBODY KNOWS YET. BECAUSE THAT'S STEP THAT WILL HAVE TO BE BUILT. WE DID, WE DID HAVE A, UH, WE DID HAVE A STUDY YEARS AGO BECAUSE WE WAS TRYING TO PURCHASE THAT PARCEL YEARS AGO. YEAH. AND THEY SHOWED US WHERE THE WETLANDS WERE AND THERE WAS NO WETLANDS ON OUR PRODUCT. I, I GUESS, I GUESS WHAT I'M ADVISING YOU, I'M LOOKING FOR HELP TO MAKE SURE, EVEN IF IT WAS DONE YEARS AGO, IT MAY HAVE TO BE REDONE. REDONE. YES. AND WETLANDS CHANGE ALL THE TIME. WE FOUND THAT IN MANY OF, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN WE'RE DOING EXIT THREE, IF IT, IT'S A NUMBER, THAT'S WHY IT HAS TO BE DONE ON A BASIS. IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN WET 10 YEARS AGO WHEN WE ALL THE RAIN ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW LET THOSE HAVE OCCURRED IT BY WHATEVER DEFINITION. SO THAT'S A, THAT'S JUST, UH, NO DOUBT THERE NOT A, IT'S BECAUSE, UM, I KNOW THAT SOMEBODY ASKED THAT QUESTION. UM, THE FOUR, THE SCIENCE WITH THETA, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT OUT. ARE THESE PANELS CLEANED ON ANY REGULAR BASIS OR YOU JUST PUT'EM OUT THERE AND THEY'RE DONE? NO, SIR. THEY CLEAN ON REGULAR. THEY, THEY CLEAN. AND SO WHAT, WHAT I THINK MRS. GUZMAN WAS GETTING AT, WHICH IS A GOOD POINT. WE NEED TO KNOW FOR THURSDAY, THE SCIENCE OF WHEN YOU CLEAN THOSE AND WHEN RAIN HITS THEM, WHAT HAPPENS TO, ARE THERE ANY CHEMICAL RESULTS OF THAT? YES, SIR. SO PLEASE GET THAT INFORMATION FOR US. SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GUESSING GONNA MAKE A DECISION, GUESSING, WE WANNA KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE EFFECT OF RAIN AND CLEANING WILL HAVE ON, ON THE, ON THE WATER SOURCE OF, OF THE YES. OKAY. YES SIR. THANK YOU. SO I, I'M DONE. UH, MR. HOUSTON, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING FURTHER TO SAY? YES, SIR. SIR, PLEASE COME THROUGH THE MICROPHONE. EXCUSE ME. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO, UM, MAKE A COUPLE OBSERVATIONS. YES, SIR. I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, FIRST OF ALL, AS FAR AS, UH, WILDLIFE IS CONCERNED, UM, AS YOU'RE UNDOUBTEDLY AWARE, THERE'S ANOTHER PARCEL IN HARDY THAT IS, UM, CURRENTLY BEING LOOKED AT BY DA PART OF THAT , EVERYBODY CALLS IT DHA, I GUESS. UM, AND AS A PART OF THAT, WHY THERE, UM, AN ISSUE ABOUT ENDANGERED AND, UM, THREATENED SPECIES AND BEING AR INVOLVED, UH, THERE CONFIRMED THAT THERE WERE WOOD STORMS AT MY POND, WHICH IS, UM, COULD YOU PULL UP THAT, UH, CLOSER MAP PLEASE, MA'AM? UM, IF, IF YOU LOOK RIGHT THERE AT FLORIDA DRIVE AND, AND THERE'S THAT BIG POND RIGHT THERE, UM, HE HAD CONFIRMED THAT THERE WAS FROM THAT POND. I SENT THEM A PHOTOGRAPH THAT'S A, UH, ENDANGERED SPECIES AND, UH, UM, BEEN TO THAT . UM, SO AS FAR AS, UH, THAT'S CONCERNED, THERE'S THAT, THERE'S ALSO, UH, CHUCK WILLS WIDOWS, WHICH ARE THREATENED SPECIES. UH, WE HAVE IN THERE. I EVERY MORNING NOW HAS BEEN INFORMED OF THAT AND THEY'RE LOOKING INTO THAT. UM, AND OF COURSE MY PROPERTY IS, UH, THE PROPERTY RIGHT THERE WHERE IT SAYS FLORIDA DRY, [01:05:01] AND IT'S RIGHT TO THE, UM, SOUTH RIGHT THERE. AND IF IT'LL COME BACK TO THE FIELD THERE THAT MY COW PASTURE AND RIGHT DIRECTLY BEHIND THAT COW PASTURE IS WNI, UH, WEAPONS NATIONAL INVENTORY, UM, AREA, WHICH IS ON NATIONAL WEAPONS INVENTORY, UH, WHICH WOULD BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY THIS. UM, AND ON TOP OF THAT, UH, D HC IS ALSO LOOKING INTO A VERY SERIOUS DRAIN ISSUE BECAUSE THERE'S A DRAIN CANAL THAT COMES OFF OF, UM, THE PROPERTY, UH, WHICH NOW IS KNOWN AS O LAKES COMES ACROSS THE, UM, MONROE PROPERTY ACROSS OUR PROPERTY AND THEN HEADS THE NORTH AND COMES BACK OUT AND GOES OUT INTO MONKEY DROP SWAMP. AND, UH, THAT, UH, DRAINAGE SYSTEM HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 1960 OR MAYBE SELECTED BEFORE. AND, UH, THAT DRAINAGE SYSTEM DRAINS ALL OF THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT IS A LONG R LOOP AND, UH, BACK OUT TO THREE 15, WHICH IS, UH, KNOWN AS ESTATE. UH, MR WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT. YES. AND, UH, IT DRAINS OUR PROPERTY. IT DRAINS, UH, THE MONROE PROPERTY AND DRAIN LAKES. AND AS YOU ALL ARE WELL AWARE, WE HAD SOME VERY SUBSTANTIAL DRAIN HERE JUST A WHILE BACK. AND IF SOMEONE WERE TO SOMEHOW ADVERSELY IMPACT THAT DRAIN SYSTEM THAT WOULD CAUSE FLOODING IN ALL THE AREAS. SO I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THAT, UM, HE IS CURRENTLY LOOKING INTO THAT AND CONSIDERING, UH, WHETHER OR NOT ANYTHING, UM, IN THE, UH, OTHER APPLICATION COULD ADVERSELY IMPACT THAT RANGE JURY. AND YOU COULD CONTACT MRS. HAMILTON, MRS. WENDY HAMILTON, AND SHE COULD EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU. BUT, UH, THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND, UM, WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THEM CONSTANTLY ABOUT THAT. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THOSE THINGS TO YOUR ATTENTION. UM, AND BY THE WAY, BESIDES, UH, THE, UM, ENDANGERED AND THREATENED SPECIES, UM, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I HAVE ALL KINDS OF WILDLIFE IN MY BACKYARD. I SAW NINE WILD TURKEY, SOME YOUNG, THAT WERE HATCHED OFF ON OUR PROPERTY EARLIER THIS YEAR, ABOUT A WEEK AGO. WE HAVE DEER, WE HAVE WOOD DUCKS, WE HAVE MIGRATORY DUCKS, WE HAVE, UM, WHISTLING DUCKS THAT ARE THERE NOW THAT ARE OUT THERE FROM MEXICO. UM, YOU NAME IT, I HOW TO SEE ANY WILDLIFE. BUT I'D FOR THE, UM, ALL THOSE ITEMS ARE INVOLVED IN PERMITTING. ANYTHING EVIDENT, WHETHER , UH, THE INVENTORY PART OF, UM, THAT WOULD PROCESS. WE'RE NOT AT THAT STAGE AND THAT'S NOT, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DEAL WITH THAT IF APPROVED, IT WOULD BE BE IN THE HANDS. UM, OKAY. I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER THING TO SAY. I SAID A NUMBER OF TIMES AND, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. UM, WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE 10 YEARS AGO, I HEARD A PHRASE FROM BRIAN AND SHE SAID, WHY GOES LIKE A BLACK CHANCE? BECAUSE NOTHING WAS REALLY, YOU HAD A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT SINCE THAT TIME, BUT IT ALWAYS STRUCK WITH ME AND THE FOCUS OF MY SPEECH TO THE HEAD CHAMBER. THAT LITTLE VIDEO WAS REALLY PRAISING OUR CITY ON HOW A CITY INDUSTRIAL IN SOUTH RENOVATE DOWNTOWN [01:10:01] RESIDENTS ARE IN 2 78 CAR. AND WITHIN EACH ONE OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS, WE'RE PLANNING CITIES WITHIN THE CITY. I THINK WE'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB AT THAT. YOU MADE MISTAKES, BUT REALLY DOES, THE ONE THING I'VE I'VE ALWAYS SAID ABOUT LEVY IS THAT'S A PLANNING, I'LL USE THE WORD, THERE'S NO OVERALL PLAN FOR WHAT YOU WANT WE TO BE WHEN YOU GROW UP. IT'S JUST, OKAY, WE GOT, WE'VE GOT A MINE AND A SAND MINE, LET'S PUT THAT IN THE OTHER GATED COMMUNITY. WE HAVE, WE HAVE BIG WAREHOUSES. IT'S JUST, THERE'S NO MASTER PLAN FOR WHAT WE IS. AND THIS IS JUST FOR ME, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF, OKAY, WHATEVER LET SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO, LET'S PUT, AND THEN AT THE END, IN 50 YEARS YOU HAVE THIS NO, OVERALL, AND I DON'T THINK THE ITSELF HAS DECIDED WHAT WANTS TO BE, WHERE IT GOES UP, UM, BECAUSE ALL THESE THINGS COME, WE HAVE ANOTHER DECISION TO MAKE IN THE ED ON THURSDAY AS WELL. AND THAT'S JUST AN OBSERVATION. IT'S NOT CRITICISM NOT, BUT THIS, THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THE, THERE'S NO MASSIVE PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE HERITAGE. WHAT DO WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE? IS IT INDUSTRIAL? IS IT, IS IT PRESERVATION? THERE'S ONE OTHER THING THAT I'VE SAID TO JASPER COUNTY MANY TIMES, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES HERE THAT I'VE OBJECTED TO. IF YOU WANNA KEEP JASPER RULE, DON'T CHANGE. RULE PRESERVATION, ZONING, SIMPLE TO, AND YOU KNOW, JASPER HAS THIS ONE, THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO KEEP JUSTIN RULES, BUT EVERY TIME SOMETHING COMES UP TO THEM, THEY CHANGE IT. YEAH. AND, AND KEEP CHANGING IT. YOU ONLY HAVE SOMETHING WITH THE END PRODUCT. SO HERE WE HAVE ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE IT'S WORLD PRESERVATION, MAYBE YOU WANNA PRESERVE IT, MAYBE YOU WANNA BUILD IT. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. THAT'S, THAT'S THE TROUBLE I'M HAVING WITH MAKING A DECISION. I HAVEN'T MADE ONE. AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO HEAR, KEEP HEARING, BECAUSE I, I THINK THESE ARE CONCERNS DR. YOUNG. OKAY. UM, MAYOR COUNCIL, SINCE YOU MADE THAT STATEMENT, UH, WHO HAS THE JURISDICTIONS OF LEAVING? DOES MEDIA AND THE COUNTY ARE IN THE CITY? YES AND YES. . OKAY. OKAY. UH, WHO HAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR LEAVING THE CITY, COUNTY? THE CITY HAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE CITY, ANYTHING WITHIN THE CITY IS PART OF THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IF IT'S IN THE COUNTY, IT'S PART OF THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THAT'S WHY THE FIRST QUESTION I ASKED WAS, IS JASPER COUNTY AWARE OF THIS? BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO ARE TWO COUNCILORS NOT MAKE THESE DECISIONS IN A VACUUM INDEPENDENT OF EACH OTHER. AND THAT'S PARTICULARLY A, A, A CONCERN AND MAYBE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS, DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON. MM-HMM . SO, UM, IT, RIGHT NOW, THIS IS UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF JAPER COUNTY, BUT ALSO WITHIN THEIR PLAN IS THE, IF THERE IS A INDUSTRIAL APPLICATION, JASPER COUNTY SAYS, GO TO THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT IT'S CONTAINED. SO, UH, IF IT'S CONTINUOUS TOLAND GO TO MUNICIPAL, IT'S CONTINUOUS TO HEART. GO TO THEM AND LET THEM DECIDE. FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE BEING HERE IN SOUTH AND IN AREAS, ALL MY PRODUCTIONS AND PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED, IT HAD TO GO THROUGH THE COUNTY APPROVAL. AND I'M RIGHT THERE THREE 15 AND LEAVE. SO [01:15:01] THE COUNTY THAT ALL MY PERMISSION FOR ME TO MOVE TO WHAT I'M DOING, WHAT I DID FOR THESE YEARS. SO THAT WAS MY EXPERIENCE. THE CITY DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT BECAUSE WE WERE IN, OR WE AREN IN THE COUNTY. UH, WE HAD AN EXPERIENCE AS WELL, A LADY THAT DIED ON FLORIDA BECAUSE WAS, AND THEY CALLED THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY SAYS THEY DIDN'T HAVE NO JEWISH NATION IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. SO IT SEEMS TO BE LIKE A MIXED EMOTION SITUATION. WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE AND WHO WE CAN CALL ON WHEN WE NEED THINGS THAT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD INSTEAD OF JUST FLATTERING AROUND. IF THE CONNIE IS THE ONE THAT IS OVER OUR JURISDICTION OF US BUILDING AND, AND DOING DIFFERENT PROJECTS, WE NEED TO BANK ON THE CONNIE. AND I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW CAN REJECT YOUR PROJECT IF YOU END COUNTY TO SAY GO TO THE CITY. UH, THAT SOUNDS CONFUSING TO ME. IT'S CONFUSING. AND IN YOUR CASE, YOU'RE IN THE COUNTY, YOU GO TO COUNTY AND SO FAR EVERYTHING WE HAVE DONE, WE HAVE HAD TO GO TO THE COUNTY. WHEN I BUILT MY HOME OVER HERE, I HAD TO GO TO THE COUNTY TO GET ALL THE PERMITS. YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. WE'LL TAKE ONE MORE AND THEN WE'LL, UH, WE CLOSE AND GET THE INFORMATION. UM, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, UH, AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION REALLY WELL EXPRESSED ABOUT WHAT IS LEAVING WHAT, UM, AND ALL OF US IN THE AREA IS ENTIRELY S COUNTY, THE 2018 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. JE COUNTY TALKS ABOUT LEAVING, GETTING STORAGE. THAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, THAT THEY HAD SET THEMSELVES FOR TASK OF COMING UP WITH LITTLE MORE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO ME. STOP HAVING COVID HAPPENED AT A RECENT MEETING, SAID AGAIN TO LISA THAT REALLY NEED, UM, BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT NOW STAFF IS SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW. OH, ANYWAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. I, THE CLOCK IS, UH, I'LL MAKE IT QUICK. KATHLEEN , 7 82 ROAD. I'M A JASPER COUNTY RESIDENT. I DO FOLLOW JASPER COUNTY CLOSELY. I FOLLOW RICHLAND IN VILLE. IT IS VERY CONFUSING ABOUT WHERE, WHERE YOU, UH, LIVE BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE A HOUSE NEXT TO YOU THAT'S COUNTY AND A HOUSE NEXT TO COUNTY. I DID CONTACT LISA WAGNER, UM, ABOUT THE, THE APPLICANTS COMING TO JASPER COUNTY AND SHE SAID THAT THEY DID NOT GO TO JASPER COUNTY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, WELL THAT WAS LOUD, FUN. AND, UH, COUNSEL BEFORE, UH, WE GO ON THE NEXT SUBJECT, LAST, UH, WORDS, UH, OR TERMS, MR. MAYOR, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AND MAYBE FOR COUNSEL. WE'RE NOT AGAINST ALTERNATIVE ENERGY, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO RESPECT THE RIGHTS OF THE RESIDENTS OF LEVY AND DO WHAT'S BEST FOR EVERYBODY. UH, ENVIRONMENTAL, EVERYTHING. SO THAT'S WHERE I, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM, FROM THIS BECAUSE 50 KNOW I AM A PROPONENT OF ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCES. BUT THAT'S ME. I HAVE TO LOOK OUT RIGHT NOW FOR EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR JOINING US. UM, I WILL ATTEND TOMORROW NIGHT, MR. THANK YOU AND, UM, COUNSEL, WELL UM, UM, AND THEN WE'LL RECONVENE ON THURSDAY. THAT WILL BE THE FIRST MEETING. AND THE FIRST, UH, THIS IS CAPACITY. UM, THE ONLY OTHER OPTIONAL COUNSEL HAS IS TO TABLE IT. [01:20:01] IF ALL THE INFORMATION WE THURSDAY, I ASSUME I'LL SEE YOU ALL ON THURSDAY. I GOT ONE LINE PURPOSEFUL WHILE SEEKING A NEW FACILITY THAT'S REALLY KIND, STARTING A CONVERSATION, STARTING A CONVERSATION ON PROJECTS AND TRYING TO GET SOME NOT, WE'RE REALLY GONNA TRY TO STAY SET BACK AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN BETTER IDENTIFY THOSE COSTS AND THEN BRING THEM TO YOU ONCE WE FULLY UNDERSTAND. SO I KNOW THAT'S A LOT TO COVER FOR SEVERAL THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JOSEPH SO THAT SHE CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE NATURE OF POLICE SUSPENSION AND THEN SOME OF THE DETAILS REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION EFFORTS FOR THE NEW FIRE STATION. ALRIGHT, GOOD MORNING. MORNING FIRST. YOU TOO. I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING ABOUT GETTING AN UPDATE IS GOING THROUGH, SEE SOME SLIDES THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST. SO, UH, FIRST I'M GONNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE EXTENT. AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR PRIOR ARAZ IN THE BAY OF THE OLD FIRE STATION OUT OUR BOULEVARD. AND BEHIND THIS BUILDING WE HAVE A MOBILE HOME WHERE THE FIREMEN ARE LIVING. AND UM, OUR LEASE THAT WE HAVE NOW IS EXPIRING IN JANUARY. SO IN ORDER TO EXTEND THAT LEASE, BECAUSE WE HAVE YET BUILT YET TO BUILD THE NEW FIRE STATION, YOU UM, YOU HAVE A PRORATED AMOUNT FOR JANUARY FOR $5,961. AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE AN $8,800 A FOR REMEDIATING SIX MONTHS IN FISCAL ONE YEAR 26. SO OUR TOTAL AMOUNT FOR JUST LEASING THE BUILDING AND ALLOWING OUR MOBILE HOME TO SIT ON THEIR LAND IS APPROXIMATELY 50,000. AND THEN OTHER EXPENSES FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 INCLUDE INSURANCE, TAXES AND UTILITIES. THAT TOTAL ROUGHLY 22,000. SO WE NEED ABOUT $72,000 TO CONTINUE KEEPING ON FOLKS AT THAT LOCATION. AND THEN FOR FISCAL YEAR 27, BUDGET FOR A YEAR LONG, 12 MONTHS TIMES 8,800 A MONTH OR 105,000, YOU ADD YOUR INSURANCES, TAXES AND EMPLOYEE. AND WE'RE ROUGHLY $152,000 THAT WE NEED TO BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 27. SO WE, UH, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON HOW LONG WE PAID FOR THAT AND FOR FISCAL YEAR 26, WE HAVE $150,000 IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET TO WORK ON THE COMMERCE PARK DESIGN PHASE TWO, THIS IS THIRD REPORT PARK AND THE, UM, EXIT THREE IS ON HOLD. WE WOULD REALLOCATE SOME OF THAT FOR 50 PAY 72,000 THAT WE MOVE SCHOOL YEAR 26. AND MOVING FORWARD 27, WE WOULD PUT THAT INTO THE NEXT BUDGET. NEXT, UM, AS YOU REMEMBER, OUR EXISTING STATION IS ON AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE LAND ACQUISITIONS HERE AT THE VILLAGE DRIVE. UM, THAT SITE IS ROUGHLY 16 ACRES WHERE WE JUST BID OUT THE FRONT PORTION FOR OUR FIRE STATION AND POLICE SUBSTATION. IT'S ROUGHLY FIVE ACRES. UM, THE WAY THAT WE PUT THE BIDS TOGETHER, WE ASK FOR MULTIPLE NUMBERS BECAUSE WE'RE SHARING SOME OF THE COSTS WITH THE DEVELOPER. SO WE WOULD BE OF COURSE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR FIRE STATION AND OUR SUBSTATION. AND THERE'S SECTIONS HERE WHERE WE HAVE A RETENTION HEAT, UH, BASIN THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT TO COLLECT ALL THE STORM WATER. WE WOULD PAY 50% OF THE COST TO BUILD THAT, AND THEN WE HAVE ADDITIONAL THAT COMES BACK AND PAY 50% OF THE COST. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE DEVELOPER WOULD [01:25:01] LIKE TO PUT A DOG PARK HERE. SO HE WOULD HAVE, UM, THE COST OF DEVELOPING THAT DOG PARK, WHETHER THAT'S THE GRAVEL PARKING OR CONCRETE PARKING OR THE GRASS. SO WHEN WE RECEIVED OUR BIDS, UM, WELL TO REMIND YOU, WHEN THEY DESIGNED IT, $4 MILLION AND UH, LAND ACQUISITION DELAY IN SOLAR CONTINGENCY, WE DECIDED TO UP THAT BUDGET TO 5.8, WHICH WE THOUGHT AT THE TIME WAS GONNA BE A MORE REALISTIC NUMBER. UNFORTUNATELY, OUR $5.8 MILLION DID NOT COVER WHAT OUR EIGHT CONTRACTORS SUBMITTED, WHICH ON THE UPSIDE, GETTING EIGHT CONTRACTORS TO SUBMIT FOR THIS IS A POSITIVE. WE HAVE A LOT OF COMPETITION AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE NUMBERS THEY'RE VERY, VERY SIMILAR PRICE. AND HOW WE ASK THEM TO BREAK DOWN THIS, UM, THIS PRICING IS WHAT WOULD IT COST FOR A FIRE STATION? AND THEN OF COURSE THE POLICE SUBSTATION MEMBERS 50% OF THE RETENTION COLUMN THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE TO BUILD. SO ALL THREE OF THESE NUMBERS TOTAL APPROXIMATELY 8.7 TO $9.8 MILLION. AND THEN WE'VE GOT FURNITURE FIXTURES OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE TO PUT IN THAT IS ROUGHLY $300,000. AND THEN OUR SOIL CONTINGENCY NUMBER, WHICH WE GUESSTIMATED AT $800,000. BUT THIS NUMBER IS A FLEXIBLE NUMBER BECAUSE IT, IT'S DEPENDENT UPON WHEN THEY ACTUALLY BREAK AROUND, SEE THAT THE PERIMETER DRAINAGE SYSTEM WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER. WELL, AND AGAIN, I I CALL THIS A CONTINGENCY NUMBER BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL DO, UM, SO THE CITY OF HARVILLE'S GRAND TOTAL TO BUILD THE STATION BETWEEN NINE AND $10.6 MILLION. BUT THEN THE DEVELOPER'S CONTRIBUTION FOR AFTER RETENTION BASIN AND GRADING THE DOG PARK LOCATION IS ANOTHER NINE TO 1.7 MILLION. AND SO THE ALL IN NUMBER TO DEVELOP THE TOTAL SITE AS NEEDED FOR PLANS ROUGHLY BETWEEN 10.8 AND 12 MILLION, NOT THE GREATEST OF NEWS. IT'S A LOT OF SHOCK FOR ALL OF US BECAUSE FRANKLY, WHEN WE DESIGNED THIS, EVERYTHING WAS RUNNING AROUND $400 A SQUARE FOOT. AND, UM, AT THE TIME THAT BID, WE OPTED TO 500 A SQUARE FOOT THINKING THAT WE COVERED OUR BASES ON INCREASED COSTS. SOME OF THE COST FACTORS, SUBCONTRACTORS OR SCHOLARS LABOR WERE COST OF GONE BECAUSE, UM, UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S JUST NOMINAL SKILL IN THE AREA. MATERIAL COSTS, TARIFFS, INFLATION, WE'RE HEARING IT ACROSS THE BOARD 20% OF THE TIME TALKING TO SOMEBODY. AND OF COURSE, INSURANCE RATES THAT HAVE INCREASED THAT, UM, COST THE CONTRACTORS TO HAVE BIGGER BOND, UM, CALLS. AND THEN GEOPOLITICAL, SOME OF WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF ATTENTION BEING THE FASTEST COUNTY NATION AND SO WE'RE GETTING THE DC METRO PRICING CALLS AND CO IN VIRGINIA. AND THE FACT THEY TOO, UM, CAN, CAN VERIFY THAT THEY'RE AT AROUND 800 TO EIGHT 50 SQUARE FOOT. SO VERY, VERY SHOCKING NEWS, UNFORTUNATE NEWS. UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO DIVE INTO WHERE WE WANNA GO WITH THIS. I KNOW THAT MR. GURU WAS SAYING THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME INCREASE ON HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY OF OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. AND YES, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND I'M SEEKING ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS. WE'RE TALKING WITH CONTRACTORS THAT DIDN'T FIT THIS PROJECT TO FIND OUT WHY OR TO GET ALTERNATIVE IDEAS ON HOW WE CAN GROW OUR COSTS. MY FIRST OBSERVATION, 77 SQUARE FEET, I MEAN, I'D LOVE A BIGGER HOUSE TO LIVE IN. SO, YOU KNOW, WE APPROVED THE 12,000 SQUARE FOOT FIRE STATION BASED ON OLD COST. LET'S GO BACK AND BUILD THE SAME SIZE, FORGET THE POLICE SUBSTATIONS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE AN EXTRA $5.8 MILLION BECAUSE COST OF THAT'S FINE AN ALTERNATIVE. UM, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY COUNSEL. YEAH, THAT'S, UH, I I'VE SAID IT. COUNCIL, ANY OTHER IDEAS? WELL, PROGRAMING IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS. EVEN AFTER I GOT THIS PRICING ERROR WENT DOWN TO COURT FOR ME JUST RECENTLY OVER THE CONVERSATION AND THEY WERE ABLE TO BUILD A 18,000 SQUARE FOOT RATHER STATION FOUR DAYS [01:30:01] AT JUST UNDER 9 MILLION SQUARE. AND WITH US ASKING FOR A 12,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY OF THREE DAYS, I THOUGHT SURE, WE, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET CLOSER TO THAT $8 MILLION NUMBER. UM, AND, AND SO THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS THAT I'VE BEEN ASKING CONTRACTORS TO WORK WITH PANEL, LIKE HOW IF WE'RE GONNA TAKE FROM THE DESIGN BUILD LIBRARY THAT DOESN'T GIVE US THE EXACT PROGRAMMING THAT WE PUT FORWARD IN THIS BID, BUT IT'S ENOUGH, IT'S SUBSTANTIAL AND IT WILL MEET OUR GROWING NEEDS FOR THIS STATION. THAT'S 100% THE FIRST ALTERNATIVE THAT I'M INTERESTED IN, IN PURSUING. I, AGAIN, BACK THE SIZE SEEMS CHOICE. I ALSO MENTIONED JOSH, JODY , YOU TALKED TO THAT CONTRACT EXHIBIT . OH, THAT'S WHY I, I ACTUALLY, UM, I REACHED OUT TO SEVERAL WHO DIDN'T BID THE JOB THAT WANTED TO BID THE JOB AND JD DUN WHO CONSTRUCTED THE PORT, WENT ON SITE. UM, AT THE TIME OF OUR BID, THEY HAD SEVEN OTHER BID THAT THEY WERE PURSUING. SO IT'S REALLY TIMING WHY YOU DIDN'T PUT IN FOR THIS. BUT WHEN WE PUT IT BACK ON THE STREET, IT WON'T BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE FOR ALL BIDS TO COME BACK WITH A DESIGN BUILD OPTION. BUT I WANTED TO LOOK AT LIBRARIES BECAUSE DESIGN BUILD LIBRARIES DONE THEY HAVE VERSUS ANOTHER CONTRACTOR, THEY COULD HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PARTY THAT MAY SIT ON A PROGRAM BETTER. I AGREE WITH WHAT THE MAYOR IS SAYING, YOU NEED A FIRE STATION, WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO, TO LEASE A BUILDING, MEANING THAT'S NOT THE BEST USE OF THE PUBLIC'S MONEY. BUT AS WE BUILD A STATION, IS IT POSSIBLE TO BUILD THIS 7,000 SQUARE FOOT STATION WITH THE OPTION THAT WE CAN ADD ONTO THIS BUILDING IN THE FUTURE? AS AS I'D LOVE TO HAVE A BIG BUILDING, BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. WE HAVE TO HAVE A BUILDING. LET'S LOOK AT THE OPTIONS OF BUILDING SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADD ON. CAN WE ADD ON, UH, MORE CREW SPACE? CAN WE ADD ON ANOTHER BAY AS A FUTURE, AS A FUTURE NEED? YEAH, THE CHIEF NOW SAT DOWN AND WE DID SOME VALUE ENGINEERING IN HOUSE AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CUT OUT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF BEDS THAT WE'RE SLEEPING IF WE WERE TO GET THE FOOTPRINT IN PLACE FOR THE 12,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT REDUCE THE AREA THAT'S BEING IMPROVED. SO THAT MEANS WE GET THE WALLS UP AT THE SHELL, BUT WE DON'T DO, THE INTERIOR MIGHT SAVE US ABOUT $2 MILLION, BUT I I'VE NEVER EVALUATION YOUR $6 MILLION OUT OF A BUILDING THAT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE. THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING. SO THAT'S WHY WE VOIDED THE BIDS OR IT WAS CANCELED AND EXPIRED, BUT THEN LET THE TRACTORS NOW THAT WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OUT. UM, BUT YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A LOT IN THE STATION THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER A, A HUGE COST SAVINGS THAT'S GONNA GET US, I MEAN WE DIDN'T DESIGN IT TO HIGH END EVERYTHING. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY NICE BUILDING, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE, WOW, WE CAN, WE CAN GO IN AND START HANGING OUT 3 MILLION, $4 MILLION. BUT I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE EVEN BUILD A BUILDING WITH DEAD SPACING. I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE BUILD THE 7,000 SQUARE FEET WITH THE ABILITY TO ADD ANOTHER 3000 SQUARE FEET IF THE, IF UH, THE FUTURE WARRANTS DOING IT, THIS SITE ALLOWS THAT. SO ON THE, AND YES, THE PHASE TWO OPTION IS SOMETHING THAT WE DID AT STAGE 84 AS WELL. YES, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I CAN TELL YOU ALL OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW. I I VERY RARELY LIKE TO BRING YOU PROBLEMS WITHOUT ALSO BRINGING SOLUTIONS THAT YOU CHOOSE BETWEEN. WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY THERE RARELY KIND OF DEVELOP SOME VIABLE SOLUTIONS, BUT I'M CONFIDENT THAT THEY'RE OUT THERE. UM, SO WE WANTED TO JUST FIRST AND FOREMOST LET YOU KNOW WHERE TO STOOD WHAT WE'RE DOING TO KIND OF DIG INTO UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S DRIVING THE COSTS. IS IT THE SITE DEVELOPMENT, IS IT THE CONSTRUCTION QUALITY, IS IT THE SIZING OF IT OR IF THAT ISN'T DRIVING IT, WHAT IS, IS IT THE LACK OF AVAILABLE CONTRACTORS? IS IT JUST SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR AREA AS COMPARED TO THE BROADER PUBLIC SAFETY ARENA AROUND THE SOUTHEAST? SO WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THOSE YET, BUT ONCE WE GET ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS, IT WILL HELP GUIDE US TOWARDS THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE CAN THEN COME BRING BACK TO. WE KNOW WE HAVE TO BUILD A NEW FACILITY. WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE IN THIS INSTANCE ABOUT, WELL MAYBE WE JUST PUT A PAUSE ON IT, WE'LL REVISIT IT IN A COUPLE YEARS. WE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY. WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING. AND SO WE ARE GOING TO BRING YOU BACK SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ONCE WE HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION. BUT, UM, I ALSO WANT US TO BE CAREFUL THAT I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE LOOKED AT THINGS PRIMARILY FROM A BUDGETARY STANDPOINT AND THAT HAS NEGATIVELY IMPACTED SOME OF OUR CAPITAL FACILITIES WHERE WE, WE COME TO REGRET THOSE DECISIONS LATER ON. AND [01:35:01] SO IF THAT IS THE ONLY OPTION FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BUILDING A FACILITY, THEN WE'RE JUST GONNA CALL IT OUT AND SAY THIS IS WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE. AND YES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GIVE UP ON THESE THINGS, BUT WE KNOW GOING INTO IT THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA TAKE THIS PROJECT DONE. BUT I WANNA BE ABLE TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN PRESERVE A LOT OF THOSE CHARACTERISTICS BUT FIND A WAY EITHER THROUGH PROCESS OR THE RIGHT CONTRACTOR THAT MAY GET US TO WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD. BUT I GUESS MR. MAYOR, IN THE, IN THE MEANTIME, WE'VE GOT TO DO THIS MAJORITY WOULD BE ON LEASE. YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN, WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE, RIGHT? WE WERE JUST GIVING YOU THE UPDATE ON BIDS, BUT, BUT YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE THAT LEASE. THE LEASE IS, THE LEASE IS SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, URGENT AND I KNOW IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR THURSDAY. YES. SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ALL DAY ABOUT WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE, BUT THE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS ON THE AGENDA IS TO, UM, GIVE INPUT ON RELEASE. SO ALSO, EXCUSE ME, UH, IS, ARE WE ANY OBJECTIONS TO GOING FORWARD OR RELEASE? IT'S NOT A, WHAT THE VOTE WILL BE ON. UM, AND THEN I THINK WE NEED TO COME BACK TO OPTIONS TO GIVE US A $6 MILLION BUILDING. I, I WOULD LOVE GIVE THAT I'M WORKING HARD ON SOMETHING THAT WILL UM, GIVE US AN EASIER PATH FORWARD I THINK. I THINK UH, STEVE'S SUGGESTIONS IS GOOD. GET A SMALLER BUILDING WITH AN OPTION EXPAND. UM, WE HAD WHAT DID YOU DECIDE ABOUT THE LINK 24 SOMETHING? SO I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH JODY ABOUT THAT. 18 IS WHAT'S ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GONNA REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY TO SEE IF WE CAN GET AN EXTENSION OF THAT AND THAT HOPEFULLY, WELL WE HAD A 12 MONTH CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE ON THIS BID. AND SO HAD I BEEN ABLE TO INITIATE THE, A MASTER AWARD AND WE WOULD'VE MET, WE WOULD'VE BEEN CLOSE. IT'S 18 MONTHS FROM JANUARY, CORRECT. 20 MONTHS. ESSENTIALLY JUST A QUESTION. THE UM, COST PER SQUARE FOOT THAT WE'RE PAYING IS MARKET RATE. WHERE ARE WE AT? IT'S HIGH BUT IT'S UM, IT WAS NEGOTIATED DOWN TO 8,800 A MONTH FROM 10,000 A MONTH. AND HE WILL GET IT. HE HAS A VETERINARIAN CURRENTLY IN THE HOUSE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THEY ASSIGN SO GETTING AN EXTENDED LEASE REPORT MAY NOT. I JUST DON'T MAKE ME TAKE THE DAY. TOO BAD. IT'S TOO BAD. WELL I MEAN ITS, WHEN WE LOOK THREE DAYS PURPOSE, IT WAS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE WERE PAYING FOR TO SURE FINE. SO WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE IN TRYING TO NEGOTIATE THAT. AND I'LL SAY THAT THE HAS BEEN VERY, UM, COOPERATIVE AND I AGREE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS. BUSINESS IS ABOUT THIS FOR SEVERAL YEARS. IT'S TIME TO GET THIS DONE AND WE HAVE TO DO A SMALL BUILDING WITH AN OPTION TO ADD AND THAT'S WHAT WE GOTTA DO. WE DON'T HAVE IT, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T GO SOMETHING BIGGER. AND THE CONCEPT OF A MOD BOARD, IT'S, I SUSPECT THAT COMES INTO PLAY THAT YOU CAN'T ADD ONE AND PRESCRIBES THINGS. YEAH, I, I MEAN EVERYTHING AS [01:40:01] LONG NEW AMOUNT SITE REQUIREMENTS. SO GIVEN THAT WE HAVE SIX ACRES TO IT, THERE'S PLENTY OF STATION AND THEN DO PHASE TWO. YEAH. AND THAT REDUCES THE CONTINGENCY BECAUSE LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE SO YOU DON'T NEED AS MUCH DIRT THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. THE FOOTPRINT. HOW MANY SQUARE FOOT IS CURRENT THAT WHEN WE USE THAT WHOLE BUILDING, WHAT WAS IT? IT'S JUST UNDER 7,200. SO WE CAN SPEAK SIZE AND IT'S NOT, UNFORTUNATELY IT WOULDN'T HAVE BUT MEAN WE CAN, WE CAN FIGURE SOMETHING OUT THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S, OR HOWEVER THEY HAVE TO SEE THE GUYS, AGAIN, TALKING WITH CHIEF AND THEM AS STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A BALANCE BETWEEN A NICETY AND A NECESSITY. SOME THINGS THEY HAVE TO HAVE, SOME THINGS THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE. AND WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO PARSE OUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO BECAUSE IF IT COMES DOWN TO WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD TO BUILD IT, THEN SOME OF THOSE NICETIES MAY HAVE TO FALL BY THE WAYSIDE. SO I THINK THAT THEY'RE ACUTELY AWARE OF THE ANALYSIS. WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T CUT OUR NOSE OFF DESPITE OUR FACES. SO EVERYTHING ELSE LATER ON. YEAH. YEAH. I HAVE NO PROBLEM APPROVING THIS LEASE. WE CAN GET THE EXTENSION OF 24 MONTHS. THAT'S THAT WAY. GOT WORK ON THAT. GIVE YOU SOME BREATHING AROUND IT. YEAH, SEE. ALRIGHT EVERYBODY, UM, THINK WE'VE COMPLETED OUR AGENDA AND UM, HAPPY THE ANNIVERSARY TO MR. CARROLL. HAPPY ANNIVERSARY. WE KEEP HIM OUTTA HIS DOG HOUSE. SO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADUR MOTION AD WE HAVE MOTION FAVOR. SO WHAT TIME WILL WE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.