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SEEN THAT THERE'S NOT BEEN A LOT OF PROGRESS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND THAT'S PRIMARILY BECAUSE THIS REQUEST IS PENDING.AND SO OUR OUTCOME OF TODAY'S DISCUSSION REALLY KIND OF DICTATES WHETHER THE PROJECT CAN BE USED FORWARD OR WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT, UH, SOME OTHER KIND OF ALTERNATIVE.
BUT, UH, TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, IN ORDER TO PUT THE ASPHALT INTO THOSE AREAS TO PROVIDE THE EXTENDED TURN LANES, WHICH IS THE GOAL OF THE PROJECT, THEY'VE GOTTA ENSURE THAT THE SOIL THAT'S BENEATH THE ASPHALT THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT DOWN IS STABLE ENOUGH SO THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO CRACK, WARP OR OTHERWISE TO GRADE OVER A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
AND SO THE WAY THAT THEY DO THAT IS THEY TYPICALLY WILL DIG OUT A LITTLE BIT OF THE SOIL, THEY'LL BRING IN WHAT'S, WHAT'S CALLED GOOD SOIL, UM, OR, OR SOIL THAT'S NECESSARY TO BE BUILT ON TOP OF.
AND THEN THEY'LL PERFORM A COMPACTION TEST.
AND THIS INSTANCE THAT COMPACTION TEST FAILED, WHICH INDICATES THAT THEY NEED TO DIG OUT MORE OF THE BAD SOIL AND REPLACE IT WITH MORE OF THE GOOD SOIL.
UM, SO WE'VE RECEIVED A CHANGE ORDER IN THE AMOUNT OF $216,570, UH, FROM OUR CONTRACTOR, WHICH IS CERTAINLY NOT CHEAP.
IT'S ABOUT 20% OF THE TOTAL CONTRACT PRICE.
BUT WE HAVE REVIEWED IT, WE'VE HAD OUR ENGINEERS REVIEW IT, AND WE'VE DETERMINED THAT IT IS A APPROPRIATE AND REASONABLE REQUEST UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
AS A LAY PERSON, IF YOU STEP BACK AND THINK ABOUT IT, THAT AREA HAS BEEN THE DRAINAGE DITCH OF 2 78 FOR HOW MANY DECADES NOW.
AND SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WATER, A LOT OF STUFF RUNNING THROUGH THAT AREA.
SO THE FACT THAT THE SOIL IN THAT AREA IS NOT THE BEST, IS NOT ENTIRELY SURPRISING.
NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE TALKED WITH STAFF ABOUT, 'CAUSE I WANT TO AVOID SITUATIONS LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE, OUR PRIOR PRACTICE HAD BEEN BECAUSE IT COSTS MONEY TO DO GEOTECHNICAL WORK.
WE WOULD JUST START THE PROJECT, AND THEN IF WE ENCOUNTER A PROBLEM, THEN WE WOULD ADDRESS IT AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO SOLVE IT.
MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE FOR US TO SPEND THE MONEY UP FRONT, KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING INTO AT THE OUTSET OF THE PROJECT, RATHER THAN BEING SURPRISED WITH IT MIDWAY THROUGH, AND THEN HAVING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE DO THEN.
SO I TOLD STAFF THAT FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS GOING FORWARD, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BUILD IN, IN ADDITION TO CONTINGENCIES IS WE'RE GONNA DO THE GEOTECHNICAL WORK ON THESE PROJECTS BEFOREHAND.
UM, THE REALITY OF OUR AREA IS WE LIVE IN AN AREA THAT WAS VERY SWAMPY.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT HAS A LOT OF BAD SOILS AND SO THIS IS NOT AN UNSURPRISING THING, BUT IT'S BETTER FOR US, I THINK, TO PLAN AND KNOW GOING INTO IT THAT IF IT'S GONNA COST US MORE ON A PROJECT, WE GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION THAT ALLOWS YOU TO MAKE THAT INFORMED DECISION RATHER THAN BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND KIND OF BEING BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.
SO WITH THAT INFORMATION, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU IF YOU ARE OPEN TO APPROVING THIS CHANGE ORDER REQUEST.
UM, AND WE'VE GOT IDENTIFIED, UH, SOURCES OF FUNDING THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE MEMORANDUM THAT I SENT TO YOU LAST NIGHT.
WE'VE GOT EXISTING DEVELOPMENT FEES FROM BOTH OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE SERVED BY THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, TAKING THOSE BALANCES DOWN BY ROUGHLY ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A PIECE WOULD STILL LEAVE FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT BALANCES.
AND SO KNOWING THAT THE MONEY'S AVAILABLE, KNOWING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL FUTURE NEEDS IDENTIFIED, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT, WE BELIEVE IS AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THOSE BALANCES SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
BUT WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
I HAVE THE PRESENTATION OH YEAH, SURE.
I ALWAYS HAVE TO PUT IT IN UPSIDE DOWN FIRST.
OKAY, DANIEL, THOSE WERE THE TWO FILES THAT I RECEIVED OVER EMAIL.
SO THE LATITUDES FILE'S NOT ON HERE THEN.
IS THERE A WAY FOR ME TO LOG INTO MY ONEDRIVE? NO, PROBABLY I, I I DON'T LOG INTO ONEDRIVE.
YOU WANNA GIMME A SEC? I'LL GO PUT IT ON.
THESE THE SAME PHOTOS THAT YOU WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US? YEAH.
'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS VERY, UH, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
SO, UH, SO LET'S, LET'S JUST GO WHILE YOU'RE, YOU'RE STANDING UP THERE.
LET'S GO STRAIGHT TO QUESTIONING.
JOHN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? NOT SO MUCH AS A QUESTION, I GUESS AS A STATEMENT, MR. MAYOR, BUT JOSH, YOU RECOMMENDED THIS AND, AND IT'S GOT TO BE DONE.
SO, UM, AND JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY TOO.
I I, BECAUSE I GO DOWN SEVEN AND I GUESS ALL I KNOW ALL OF THIS TOO, IS THE, UH, A GAS LINE GOING ALONG, IS THAT CAUSING ANY COMPLICATIONS? UH, SO FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT,
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THERE ARE IMPACTS.THEY ARE DOING NIGHTLY LANE CLOSERS.
THEY DON'T START UNTIL SEVEN O'CLOCK, BUT THEY LAST FROM SEVEN O'CLOCK TO FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
SO 7:00 PM TO 5:00 AM AND THEY WILL BE OUT THERE NOW UNTIL SOMETIME IN DECEMBER.
UH, SO THOSE IMPACTS WILL LAST FOR A WHILE.
THAT'S NOT COMPLICATING THE INTERSECTION.
IT'S NOT, NO, THEY HAPPEN TO BE IN THE SAME LOCATION, BUT WITH WHAT WE'VE TOLD OUR CONTRACTOR TO DO AND THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE THERE, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY DIRECT CONFLICTS.
SO, AND, YOU KNOW, UM, SO I LIKE, LIKE MR. MAYOR SAID, STRAIGHTFORWARD.
YEAH, THE, THE NECESSITY OF THE UNDERLYING IMPROVEMENTS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, WHICH IS WE'RE TRYING TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THAT LIGHT HAS TO CYCLE.
AND SO THE MORE OF THOSE LEFT HAND TURN MOVEMENTS THAT WE CAN STACK UP AND THEN JUST FLUSH 'EM THROUGH AT ONCE, RATHER THAN CYCLING BACK AND FORTH, THAT ALLOWS US TO KEEP THAT MAIN LINE 2 78 OPEN LONGER, WHICH SHOULD HOPEFULLY HELP THEM WITH THE CUES THAT WE SEE, PARTICULARLY IN THE MORNING RUSH HOUR AND EVENING RUSH HOUR TIME.
JOSH, I THINK YOU ARE, UM, DOING ALL THIS PRELIMINARY UPFRONT WORK.
IT'S SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT THERE'S GOOD DIRT, BAD DIRT, AND, UH, AND THAT'S REALLY, UH, SAVES A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY AND, UH, I APPLAUD THAT EXPANSION OF RESEARCH IN THE FRONT END.
SO, YES, MR. GRUBER DID A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING ALL OF THIS WITHOUT THE SLIDES, BUT WE'LL RUN THROUGH IT REAL QUICK.
UM, AS HE ANNOUNCED THE PROJECT IS ON HOLD UNTIL WE GET THE SOILS CONDITIONS REC RECTIFIED.
SO, UM, S-E-D-O-T WILL NOT ALLOW FOR THE, THE DEVIATIONS THAT CAME UP ON THE REPORTS FROM OUR SPECIAL INSPECTIONS TEAM.
SO THIS SHOWS YOU BOTH THE EASTBOUND AND WESTBOUND LANE AND WHERE WE'RE PERFORMING OUR WORK.
EVERYTHING IN THE RED IS BAD HERE AND HERE, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH BOTH.
WE HAVE A SLIP, A LITTLE TINY SLIVER BLUE.
BUT, UM, THE AMOUNT THAT THEY HAVE TO EXCAVATE OUT IS 1,947 CUBIC YARDS, WHICH IS A LOT OF IT'S, IT'S TAKING OUT TWO FEET ADDITIONAL OF WHAT WAS CALLED OUT.
AND THEN THE FILL THAT GOES BACK IN IS 2,257.
UM, THE TERRACON REPORT THAT SHOWS THE DEVIATION THAT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH SEDT STANDARDS.
ESSENTIALLY, IF WE WERE TO TRY AND GO PROCEED FORWARD WITHOUT DOING THIS THE RIGHT WAY, THOSE LANES WILL FAIL IN A COUPLE OF YEARS AND THEN IT WILL FAIL BADLY.
UM, THE PICTURES THAT CAME BACK, WHAT'S CONSIDERED PUMPING, AND THAT'S WHEN THE SOIL JUST, IT'S SO WET AND IT'S KIND OF A BLUFF MUG.
SO YOU CAN SEE THESE TIRE MARKS.
I STOOD OUT THERE WITH SOME OF THE, THE BIG TRUCKS TRYING TO, WELL, I WAS HOPING FOR THE BEST, BUT WE WERE GETTING THE WORST.
AGAIN, SOME OF THE CORE SAMPLES THAT WERE TAKEN, THAT'S A DEPICTION OF HOW FAR THEY WILL DRILL DOWN TO SEE WHAT'S RECOMMENDED TO REMOVE.
UM, WE WENT DOWN AS FAR AS 24 INCHES AND WE WERE FINALLY HITTING WHAT WAS CONSIDERED, UM, THE, THE STOPPING POINT AND THEN THE CHANGE ORDER BREAKDOWN.
IT SHOWS WHAT WE HAD IN OUR PROPOSALS FROM APAC, WHICH WAS AROUND 30,000 CUBIC YARDS AND THEN GOING UP TO OVER 2 MILLION.
I MEAN, IT'S A BIG, IT'S A BIG NUMBER, BUT IT'S A LOT OF WORK.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE FUNDING THAT MR. RO WAS DISCUSSING WITH OUR FUND 86 SHOWS YOU THE CURRENT FUND BALANCE.
WHAT WE REMOVE, WE'VE REMOVED FROM EACH OF THOSE FUNDS FOR THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WITH APAC.
AND THEN HOW WE WOULD, AGAIN, DIVIDE THOSE EVENLY BETWEEN THOSE TWO FUNDS AND THEN THE REMAINING BALANCE OF THOSE FUNDS.
ALSO, UM, PLEASE NOTE THAT BOTH OF THESE FUND BALANCES CONTINUE TO INCREASE AS BUILDING PERMANENT ACTIVITY CONTINUES.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE REMOVING MONEY, MONEY GOES BACK AND IN CLOSING, WE ARE ASKING FOR APPROVAL TO PROCEED WITH THE $216,000 CHANGE ORDER.
SO WE STARTED QUESTIONING, UH, WE ARE OVER TO MR. SUZMAN NOW.
UM, SO THE 2 16 5 70, IS THAT A SOLID FIGURE OR THERE'S GONNA BE FLUCTUATIONS THERE DEPENDING ON WHAT ELSE THEY FIND AS THEY GO? NO MA'AM.
BASED UPON THE GEOTECHNICAL WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, THEY'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT IN THE QUANTITIES.
AND THE QUANTITIES ARE WHAT DRIVE THE PRICE.
MR. MANAGEMENT, UM, THE GAS LINE THEY'RE WORKING AT NIGHT, APAC
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WAS WORKING AT NIGHT.THAT WORRIES ME A LITTLE BIT, BUT HAVING ALL THAT ACTION GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME, UH, THE COORDINATION OF HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE, AND SOME OF THIS WILL FALL BACK ONTO SAM'S FOLKS TOO, BECAUSE I'M GLAD YOU ASKED ABOUT THAT.
I HAVE A MEETING ON THURSDAY, A LUNCHEON WITH THE DOMINION ENERGY FOLKS, THEIR CONTRACTORS AND MY CONTRACTOR.
SO APAC WILL COORDINATE WITH THEM THE NIGHTS THAT THEY NEED INSIDE LANE CLOSURES AND THE NIGHTS THAT THE GAS COMPANY NEEDS THE OUTSIDE LIEN CLOSURES BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DO BOTH ON YEAH.
IT'S A DANGEROUS SITUATION NOW.
DON'T WANT TO ADD TO THAT THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH IT.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS YES, WE HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE IF WE DON'T GET THAT JOB COMPLETED AND DO WE HAVE IT NOTHING, HOW MUCH LONGER WILL IT TAKE IF WE, IF WE GIVE 'EM THE GO AHEAD TO START TOMORROW? RIGHT.
THIS IS A FOUR WEEK DELAY, A FOUR WEEK DELAY ON TOP OF THE FOUR MONTHS
AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, SO WE'RE TALKING MAYBE CHRISTMAS, WE'LL HAVE THIS ALL DONE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING THERE IS A GI THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA SAY NO, NO MUCH EARLIER THAN THAT.
WELL 'CAUSE IF WE DON'T PROCEED WITH THIS, WE'VE ALREADY GOT IT STARTED.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE, BUT THERE'LL BE, UH, YOU KNOW, TAR AND FEATHER AND VAL AND I OUT OF OUR TWO DEVELOPMENTS.
IF WE DON'T GET THIS FINISHED, WE DON'T WANT THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE QUICKER THEY CAN GET THIS DONE, 'CAUSE IT HAS BEEN TORE UP FOR QUITE A LONG TIME NOW.
AND THIS IS A, AN INFERENCE INTO OUR CITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE QUICKER WE GET THIS DONE, THE BETTER FOR EVERYBODY.
WE DON'T LIKE BRINGING THESE TYPES OF CHANGE ORDERS FORWARD THAT DON'T GIVE YOU AN OPTION.
I MEAN, IT WAS A GREAT AGE FOR LIKE YOU SAID, DECADES FOR A LONG TIME.
SO, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT STUFF THAT'S BEEN SEEPING INTO THE SOIL FOR DECADES YOU SAID, AND ALL THE OTHER GOING DOWN THERE AS WELL.
SO, JOHN, DO YOU DID FISH IN THERE WHEN YOU WERE KID
WELL, I, I THINK THE, THE REASON WE PUT IMPACT FEES FOR ROADS IS EXACTLY THIS.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S FUNDS ARE THERE.
AND I, I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING.
WE EVEN BACK IN 2017 HAD A, A CHANGE ORDER FOR I THINK $40,000.
RIGHT, BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE DIRT YEAH.
WOULDN'T EVEN HOLD ASHBURY DIRT.
SO, UM, AND LATS WAS, WAS HIT WITH, UM, ON 17 WIDENING $25 MILLION AT THE LAST MINUTE THAT CAME EXTRA DIRECT THAT WE GOTTA DO.
RIGHT? AND, AND ELCO NEEDED TO COME UP WITH 25 MILLION.
EVERYTHING WE DO NEEDS NEW DIRT.
SO I LIKE THE, I LET'S PLAN FOR IT.
LET'S PUT IT IN THE ESTIMATES.
LET'S GET THE GEOTECH DONE UP FRONT AND YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT, UH, LET'S BE AWARE OF IT.
MR. MAYOR, YOU GOING BACK FURTHER THAN THAT? BACK OF THE, UM, FIRE DEPARTMENT.
OH, SO YOU REMEMBER THAT? THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE, MR. BOW, WE HAD COME BACK AND GET IT CHANGED.
EVERYTHING, ALL OF THESE PROJECTS YOU'RE SPEAKING OF ARE BEFORE MY TIME.
I WILL ASSURE YOU THAT FIRE STATION 82, OUR NEW LOCATION ON VILLAGE DRIVE, WE HAVE COMMENCED GEOTECH PRIOR TO ACCEPTING THE LAND.
AND SO WE KNOW WHAT WE WERE IN FOR.
AND THE DESIGNERS HAVE PUT IN PERIMETER DRAINAGE FOR THE ENTIRE SITE DUE TO WHAT THOSE GEOTECHNICAL FINDINGS PROVIDED.
SO WE DIDN'T NEED ADDITIONAL DIRT FOR THE PARK, FOR THE VETERANS PARK.
WE WE'RE ALREADY POURING FOUNDATIONS.
WE'RE FRAMING AND WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
UH, SO YOU NEED AT THIS POINT YES SIR.
UM, WE, WE HAVE, UH, FIRST WE WILL OFFER THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY COMMENT OR ASK ANY QUESTIONS AND MAKE ANY COMMENTS, ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC INTERESTED IN ANYTHING WE DIDN'T SAY.
SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVED, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES IN WHAT IS THIS? UH, YES SIR.
IT IS NOT NUMBERED JUST BECAUSE I'M LEAVING THAT UP TO CINDY FILLING OUT 1 0 20, 25 DASH 10 DASH 10 A.
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WE HAVE A MOTION.MR. MAYOR, SHALL WE APPROVE THAT? WE HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE.
OKAY, JODY, JUST OUTTA CARE, WHAT DID THEY DO WITH THAT BAD DIRT? WHAT DID THEY TAKE YOU HAVE TO PAY TO REMOVE THAT BAD DIRT AND PLACE IT ELSEWHERE? I MEAN, DID THEY YOU WITH THERE WERE LOCATIONS THAT WILL ACCEPT IT.
UM, A LOT OF PLACES LIKE FOR, UM, TRASH DUMPS AND THEY USE IT AS LIKE OUR RECYCLABLE MATERIAL COVER ON THE LANDFILL LAND.
WE COULD, WE COULD MAYBE, OH, NOT HERE, BUT WE COULD SELL CONGEST COUNTY.
WELL, LET'S BE NICE AND JUST, UH, YEAH.
UM, COUNSEL, THIS IS A REGULAR MEETING.
UH, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE? UH, I'LL JUST GO DOWN THE LIST.
UH, MR. NEWSMAN, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE SPLASH AT AND THE PARK.
UM, WITHOUT SAYING, UM, I'M, I'M VERY PLEASED.
UM, JUST, UH, A NOTE TO COUNSEL.
UH, TWO NOTES ACTUALLY, UH, CINDY SENT OUT NOVEMBER 12TH, THE, UH, BE JASPER HOUSING TRUST MEETING.
PLEASE TRY TO MAKE IT, I THINK YOU'LL FIND IT VERY INTERESTING, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT WILL BE SHARED.
UM, AND, UH, SECONDLY, I AM GOING PASS THIS OVER TO MR. GRUBER.
I'VE MET WITH OSPREY VILLAGE, UM, FOR COFFEE.
I FORGET WHAT DAY, YESTERDAY, DAY BEFORE.
BUT, UM, THERE WAS FOUR PLANS FOR THE COTTAGES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THE OVERALL PLAN FOR THE COMMUNITY, WHICH THEY SHOWED WHEN WE APPROVED IT.
BUT THERE'S A LITTLE MORE, UH, DETAIL HERE.
THAT REQUIRES, UH, MORE TO BE SOLD BEFORE THEY START.
UM, THEY, UH, DID CONTACT NEIL FOR, UM, PART, YOU KNOW, APPLIED FOR A GRANT.
UM, SO, UH, THAT'S GOING TO THE FOUNDATION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE APPLYING FOR, BUT THAT'S UP TO NEIL AND HIS COMMITTEE.
BUT, UH, ANYBODY'S INTERESTED, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT WITH MR. GRUBER AND YOU CAN, UH, SEE SOME OF THE LAYOUTS OF THE COTTAGES THAT THEY WANNA DO.
SO SOME OF 'EM ARE 800 SQUARE FEET, SO THEY'RE NOT USED.
THEY'RE THEY'RE COTTAGES SO THAT A COUPLE OF 'EM ARE CONNECTED.
AND, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THAT WHO'S GOING TO BE THERE, IT'S REALLY GONNA BE A GREAT COMMUNITY FOR, FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN SHARE COMMON, COMMON NEEDS.
SO ANOTHER FEATHER IN CAP OF HEART.
IT'S GOT, IT'S GOT A WORK TRAINING CENTER, COMMUNITY CENTER POOL.
I MEAN, IT'S REALLY A, A GREAT PLAN THAT WE SHOULD ALL BE PROUD OF.
AND, UM, WE HAVE 20 MINUTES BEFORE OUR SCHEDULE POWER, UH, A LOT OF TIMES.
SO, UH, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US TODAY.