Sep 26, 2025 Hardeeville City Council Workshop

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ROLL.

OKAY, NOW IT'S TWO O'CLOCK.

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE UP.

WAIT MINUTE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.

THAT'S A LOT BETTER.

OKAY.

THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US THIS AFTERNOON.

UM, THIS IS, I'LL CALL THIS MEETING ORDER.

THIS IS THE CITY

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I WATCHED IT.

YOU DID AN EXCELLENT JOB.

THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU FOR FILLING IN FOR ME.

UM, THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE IN THE AGENDA IN THAT ITEM NUMBER A, UH, HAS ASKED TO.

THEY WERE NOT PREPARED TO COME TODAY.

IS THAT CORRECT, MR. GRUBER? YES, SIR.

UM, SO THERE WAS A COMMUNICATION ERROR, UH, FOLLOWING THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS

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SO, UH, WE'VE ASKED TO TAKE THIS ITEM OFF OF THE AGENDA TODAY.

UH, AND WE'LL LOOK AT EITHER TAKING IT UP AT THE FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING, OR WE'LL LOOK AT RESCHEDULING THIS FOR A FUTURE DATE.

TIME TO HAVE A WORKSHOP.

OKAY.

SO I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY THEN TO UPDATE THE COUNCIL AND STAFF.

ON THE MEETING THAT

[A. CONSIDERATION OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR A PORTION OF PARCELS 038-00-01-001 & 038-00-01-002 LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF SPEEDWAY BOULEVARD & ALLIGATOR ALLEY FROM COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL IN UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE TO BE KNOWN AS LUCKNOW TRACT (+/-31.096 ACRES)]

I WAS ASKED, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETIME IN THE LAST FEW DAYS WHEN I WAS OVERSEAS, UM, TO HAVE A MEETING WITH MR. BOSTIC, THE YMCA.

UM, I WASN'T SURE WHAT IT WAS ABOUT, BUT, UH, I WAS, YOU KNOW, I, I MEET WITH HIM REGULARLY, SO I SAID YES.

I FOUND OUT YESTERDAY THAT IT HAD TO DO WITH THE LUCK NOW PROPERTY.

UM, THE CURRENT OWNERS, THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE RV PARK, UM, ARE GOOD FRIENDS WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF THE B THE BEAUFORT, JASPER, YMCA.

UH, SO THAT'S, THAT WAS THE CONNECTION.

SO WHO I MET WITH WAS THESE TWO OWNERS OF THAT PROPERTY.

UM, AND THEY ASKED TO MEET WITH ME.

UH, THEY ASKED MIKE TO CONNECT ME BECAUSE THEY HAD HEARD OF THE CONCERNS OF, OF THE COUNCIL.

SO I'M GONNA GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, UH, WITH THESE PEOPLE.

UM, I, I TOLD HIM THAT THE COUNCIL HAD SOME CONCERNS, AND I ALSO SAID THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE CONCERNS DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE NOT HAD A VOTE.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR, UH, THE COUNCIL AND THEIR ULTIMATE DECISION.

I SAID, BUT THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD AT THE WORKSHOP, UH, THE LAST ONE WE HAD WERE, UH, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT.

THAT INTERSECTION IS VERY, VERY TIGHT.

AND, AND

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THERE, THERE ARE ALSO ENVIRONMENTAL OBJECTIONS, AND I THINK WE ALL RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE, UH, SAVANNAH WILDLIFE RESERVE.

I SAID, THAT IS A CONCERN.

UM, NUMBER THREE, IT'S OUTSIDE OUR GROWTH BOUNDARIES.

I SAID, NOT THAT WE HAVEN'T GONE OUTSIDE BEFORE, BUT THAT IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN.

WE HAVE THOSE FOR A SPECIFIC REASON.

UM, ALSO, THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES TO THAT AREA.

THERE ARE ALREADY 13 MILLION, OVER 13 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF WAREHOUSING ENTITLED RIVERPORT, SALT AND CLAUS.

THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE WAREHOUSES.

AND THEN IF WE ADDED ANOTHER BUILDING TO CONSTRUCT THAT WOULD, AGAIN, AT ANOTHER LEVEL OF PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS.

UM, SO THOSE, I SAID THERE'S PROB THERE MAY BE MORE, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I CAN RECALL THAT.

AND THEY SAID THE FOLLOWING, THEY MAINTAINED THAT THE TRAFFIC, THAT IF, IF THEY DON'T PUT THE WAREHOUSE THERE, THEY WOULD ADD TO THE, UM, RV PARK THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

THAT'S WHAT IT IS ZONED FOR.

THAT'S WHAT IS APPROVED.

UM, THERE, THEY MAINTAIN THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT WOULD BE FAR WORSE FOR RV VEHICLES GOING IN THERE, BEING DRIVEN BY AMATEURS VERSUS HEAVY TRUCKING DRIVEN BY CDL DRIVERS.

UM, MY COMMENT TO THAT WAS, YOU NEED A INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY TRAFFIC CONSULTANT TO SHOW THE DIFFERENCE OF TRAFFIC.

I SAID, THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU, NOT ON THE COUNCIL.

THE ENVIRONMENTAL OBJECTIONS, I SAID, YOU THERE, THEY SAID THAT THE, UM, THE BUFFERS ALREADY APPROVED, THAT PROPERTY IS ALREADY ENTITLED.

SO THAT I SAID AGAIN, UH, I HAVEN'T READ THE, IN THE LETTER IN A FEW WEEKS.

BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU.

UM, THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES, UM, THAT'S UP TO US TO DECIDE THE, UH, AND OF COURSE, THE OUTTA CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES, UM, AGAIN, IT'S UP TO THEM TO, UM, THEY HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF.

THEY, UM, SO THEY ASKED FOR, UM, RATHER THAN GO TO FIRST READING ON OCTOBER 2ND, A, A WORKSHOP TO REPLACE TODAY PRIOR TO THE FIRST READING AND PUSH, FIRST READING TO OCTOBER 16TH, I SAID, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A WISE DECISION BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU HAVE, IF THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT THE COUNCIL HAS YET TO RECEIVE, THEN UH, A WORKSHOP WOULD BE BETTER.

SO, UM, I EXPECT THEM TO DO THAT.

THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP AND THEY SUGGESTED THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO, UM, MAKE SOME CONTRIBUTION TO THE IMPACTS OF THE AREA.

UM, MY INITIAL RESPONSE TO THAT WAS, I DON'T EVEN LIKE THE SMELL OF THAT.

UM, BUT I SAID, IF, IF THERE IS, THE ONLY WAY THAT IT COULD POSSIBLY WORK IS THROUGH DA FEES.

I SAID, YOU WORK WITH STAFF, YOU DECIDE WITH THE LUCK NOW PEOPLE, AND, UH, BUT I DON'T EVEN WANT TO TALK ABOUT CONTRIBUTIONS.

UM, SO THAT WAS BASICALLY THE CONVERSATION.

AND, UM, AGAIN, THE BURDEN OF PROOF WERE ON THEM.

UM, BUT THE LANDOWNERS SEEMED EAGER TO, UM, TO MAKE THAT SALE.

THE SALE IS NOT, UM, IS NOT, IT'S CONTINGENT.

IT WILL NOT BECOME FINAL UNTIL 30 DAYS AFTER THE SECOND READING OF A, OF A POSITIVE YES VOTE.

SO THESE

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ALTHOUGH THERE'S A LETTER OF INTENT.

THERE'S ONE LAST THING THAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO REPORT TO COUNCIL.

I MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT ANY HINT OF ZONE SHOPPING AND GO TO JASPER COUNTY AFTER WE REJECTED WOULD BE MET WITH A WHOLE LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF ANGER ON, ON AT LEAST MY PART.

I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR THE COUNCIL, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT, UM, UPSETS ME MORE THAN ZONES CHOPPING.

UM, THERE'S A FEW OTHER THINGS, BUT, UH, ANYWAY, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED THIS MORNING.

UM, I DIDN'T, UH, REALIZE UNTIL LAST NIGHT EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING ON.

UM, I DID FORWARD AN EMAIL TO JOSH AND HE GAVE ME SOME ADVICE.

UH, SO THAT WAS IT.

UM, AND IF THE COUNSEL DOES WANT TO, UM, SCHEDULE A WORKSHOP TO REPLACE WITH THIS PART A, THAT WILL BE YOUR CHOICE.

UM, SO I THINK THAT REQUEST WILL COME INTO STAFF.

OKAY.

AND THEN IT'LL BE UP TO COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP WILL GO RIGHT TO FIRST READING.

THAT'S IT.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD WHAT TOOK PLACE.

I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, FOR BRINGING US ALL UP TO SPEED ON THIS.

I, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, YOU DESERVE NOTHING LESS.

AND, UM, AS YOU, YOU ALL KNOW, GETTING, GETTING INVOLVED IN DEVELOPERS PRIOR TO A A MEETING IS SOMETHING THAT IS A VERY FINE LINE AND ONE AT WHICH I, I DO NOT WANT TO CROSS.

AND I TOLD THEM THAT I WOULD REPORT EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID THIS MORNING TO THE COUNCIL.

SO THANK YOU, STEVE.

OKAY, MR. GRUBER.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

IT'S UP TO YOU.

YES, SIR.

SO I'LL TEE UP THIS SECOND ITEM JUST BY TALKING ABOUT KIND OF THE CHRONOLOGY.

DID HE ,

[B. CONSIDERATION OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR]

UM, AND SO THIS, UH, PROPERTY WAS INITIALLY ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF HARDY V IN 2022.

AND AT THAT TIME, IT WAS ASSIGNED A ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

AND SHORTLY AFTER THAT, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THIS PROPERTY WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

UM, AND SO THEN FOLLOWING THAT IN 2024, AN INITIAL INFRASTRUCTURE MASTER PLAN WAS BROUGHT FORWARD THAT WAS ULTIMATELY APPROVED BY THE CITY IN EARLY 2025.

AND SO NOW WE ARE HERE TO RECEIVE THE FIRST, UM, UH, INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS OF THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS MATTER WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, AND I WOULD ASK KATIE AND STAFF TO GIVE KIND OF A SUMMARY UPDATE ON THE MATERIALS AS WELL AS THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.

ALRIGHT, SO I'M GOING TO BE VERY BRIEF, AND THEN I'M GOING TO

[PARCEL042-00-04-019 TO BE KNOWN AS SOUTHPOINT PARCEL 13 TOWNHOMES LOCATED BETWEEN I-95, US 278 & JOHN SMITH ROAD IN THE SOUTHPOINT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT (+/- 55.75 ACRES) SOUTHPOINTE]

SO THIS IS, UM, SOUTH POINT AGAIN.

UM, IT IS LOCATED WHERE THE AREA SURROUNDED BY RED THERE.

UM, I 95 IS, SORRY, I'M GETTING USED TO THIS.

UM, WELL, IT'S SURROUNDED BY I 95, UM, INDEPENDENCE BOULEVARD TO THE NORTH AND JOHN SMITH ROAD.

THERE YOU GO.

THERE WE GO.

JOHN SMITH ROAD OVER HERE.

SORRY.

NEW EQUIPMENT.

UM, THE PROPOSED USE IS FOR 260 TOWN HOMES IN, AGAIN, THE SOUTH POINT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

THEY CAME IN FRONT OF PLANNING COMMISSION WITH THIS PLAN, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF SHARED CONCERNS WITH THE ACTIVE OPEN SPACE APPROPRIATENESS, UM, AND LOCATION, UM, AS WELL AS THE DEAD ENDS RIGHT HERE.

UM, WE WANTED MORE OF AN INTERNAL LOOP ROAD SYSTEM AND THE LACK OF INTERCONNECTIVITY.

UM, SO FROM THAT, WHICH, UM, WE HAD SUMMARIZED IN A MEMO TO YOU EARLIER THIS WEEK.

UM, THESE WERE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF PLANNING COMMISSION.

UM, AGAIN, THEY HAD TO DO WITH THAT INTERNAL ROAD NETWORK AND OPEN SPACE, UM, AND GETTING SOME MORE EMERGENCY ACCESS.

SO FROM THE TIME, UM, OF THAT MEETING TO PRETTY MUCH YESTERDAY, UM, THE APPLICANTS CONTINUED TO WORK ON IMPROVING THE PLAN.

UM, THE FIRE MARSHAL AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DID GET TO LOOK AT THAT PLAN YESTERDAY, AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE MADE GREAT STRIDES

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SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL INTRODUCE WILLIE POWELL FROM WARD EDWARDS, WHO WILL GO OVER THOSE UPDATES FOR YOU.

DO YOU WANT THAT HOLDING? YEAH.

HAVE YOU? OKAY.

COLOR, THANK YOU.

AFTERNOON, UH, WILLIE POWELL WITH WHATEVER'S ENGINEERING.

UM, THE PLAN THAT IS UP HERE NOW IS, IS WHAT WE'VE WORKED WITH, UH, THE PLANNERS WITH STAFF, THE FIRE MARSHAL AND THE, THE CLIENT APPLICANT ON UPDATING TO HELP PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL CONNECTIVITY, UM, PROVIDE THE OPEN SPACE, UH, IN MORE OF A TIGHTER, UM, SUPPORT TO THE, THE DENSITY ITSELF.

UH, IF I GO BACK JUST TO, TO WHERE WE STARTED, UM, WE, WE, THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO KIND OF UTILIZE SOME OF THE, THE PROPERTY IN THE REAR ACROSS FROM THE POWER LINE EASEMENT WITH KIND OF A, LIKE A PARK HORSE.

UM, AND, AND KINDA USE SOME OF THAT WITH MORE OF A, A PASSIVE, UH, WALKING AREA.

UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY TOOK AWAY FROM OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WAS TO BRING THAT OPEN SPACE IN, UH, HAVE IT MORE CENTRALIZED AND USABLE BY ALL, ALL, UH, DENSITY UNITS, NOT JUST, UM, THOSE BY THE MAIN AMENITY AND, AND THOSE KIND OF IN THE REAR.

SO FROM THERE, WE ENDED UP WITH, UM, WITH THIS PLAN, UH, WHICH STILL ACHIEVES THE, UH, OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.

AND I HAVE HARD COPIES FOR, UM, COUNCIL AS WELL, IF YOU PREFER TO HAVE A, A HARD COPY OF THIS PLAN.

AND SO, UM, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

AND I JUST SAY THANK YOU TO, TO THE STAFF AND, AND MR, MR, UH, RAUL FOR HELPING US WORK THROUGH THIS.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LAST MINUTE TO GET IT WRAPPED UP AND GET IT BEFORE YOU, BUT, UM, WE ARE, WE'RE PRETTY PLEASED WITH KINDA HOW IT ALL CAME TOGETHER.

UM, SO, SO WHAT WE HAVE ON THIS PLAN NOW, UH, IS, UH, THIS ROAD NOW HAS A FULL LOOP MANEUVER, UH, AROUND THROUGH HERE.

AND WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY KIND OF THREE SPURS HAVE BEEN CONSOLIDATED INTO TWO SPURS, BUT ALLOWS FOR A BETTER, I THINK A BETTER BLOCK CIRCULATION.

SO NOW YOU HAVE KIND OF THREE DISTINCT BLOCKS.

SO ONE, TWO, AND THREE.

UH, IT ALSO ELIMINATED THAT THE LARGEST OF THE DEAD END SPURS KIND OF IN THIS AREA.

UM, AND THEN ALLOW THIS CONNECTIVITY TO OCCUR ALL THE WAY AROUND.

UM, WE ALSO, ONE ITEM THAT WE DID TAKE AWAY FROM, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION AND FROM, UH, MR. JOEY WAS TO PROVIDE EMERGENCY ACCESS AND CONNECTIVITY IN THE PARTIAL 12.

SO THAT HAS ALSO BEEN PROVIDED, UH, UP HERE AS A, A MEANS TO GET INTO PARCEL 12 IF WHENEVER IT, IT COMES ON BOARD AS WELL.

SO NOW THAT PROVIDES TWO POINTS OF, OF INGRESS EGRESS TO THIS PARCEL 13.

AND WE'LL DO THE SAME TO PARCEL 12 SOMETIME, UH, DOWN THE ROAD WHENEVER IT'S, UH, FIGURED OUT AND UNDERSTOOD.

UM, WE ALSO WERE ABLE TO, BY DOING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, BIG TOPICS WAS TO PROVIDE SOME, SOME BREAKUP OF THESE UNITS ALONG, UH, I 95.

AND SO NOW THERE ARE THESE TWO KIND OF CONSOLIDATED POCKET PARKS AT THE END OF EACH OF THESE, UH, INTERNAL, UH, ROADWAYS.

SO ALSO YOU NOW HAVE SOME AREAS TO GATHER SOME TREE SAVE AREAS, AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY HEADLIGHTS, YOU KNOW, COMING TO, UH, ANYBODY'S FRONT DOOR IN THAT AREA.

AND THEN THE SAME THING, UH, ON THE LOWER END DOWN HERE.

WE KIND OF BROUGHT OUT A POCKET PARK ALONG THIS STRETCH TO HELP BREAK UP THIS RUN, UH, ALONG THIS LOWER WETLAND EDGE.

UM, WE ALSO OPENED UP SOME OF THE AREAS BEHIND THESE UNITS, OR POCKET PARK OR, UH, DOG PARK OR SOME TYPE OF, OF, UH, AMENITY.

WE'LL LET THE HOMEOWNERS ULTIMATELY DECIDE WHAT SERVES THEM BEST.

UM, BUT IT DOES NOW WE, YOU KNOW, WE NOW WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, SIX OR SEVEN AREAS OF, UH, EITHER PASSIVE AREAS OR LANDSCAPE AREAS OR GATHERING AREAS OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER ULTIMATELY WILL SERVE THE, THE HOMEOWNERS BEST, UH, GOING FORWARD.

UM, IT ALSO, WE, YOU KNOW, STILL ALLOWS FOR STORM WATER, UH, INTERNET INTERCONNECTIVITY, UH, THROUGHOUT THE SITE AS WELL.

AND WE ARE GOING TO, THERE'LL BE WALKWAYS THAT KIND OF CONNECT THESE OPEN AREAS, UM, THROUGH HERE.

SO WHEN WE COME BACK, UH, FOR FIRST READING, WE'LL ALSO SHOW THOSE PROPER CONNECTIVITIES, PROPER TRAILS PATHWAYS TO, TO SHOW HOW ALL THIS STUFF IS LINKED TOGETHER.

UM, AND I THINK THE ONLY OTHER, THE OTHER ITEM THAT PLANNING COMMISSION DID REQUEST WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION ON THE I 95 BUFFER.

UM, PER THE PDD, THAT INTERSTATE BUFFER IS ALLOWED TO BE, UH,

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UH, AND SO THE PLANE COMMISSION HAD ASKED FOR SOME CLARIFICATION AS TO THE EXTENT OF DRAINAGE, UM, THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED.

AND SO WE'RE STILL KIND OF WORKING ON THAT, BUT I THINK OUR WORKING NUMBER IS ABOUT 15 FEET, UM, JUST TO ALLOW REAR YARD DRAINAGE OFF OF THESE UNITS.

AND THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ALONG 95 THAT ACTUALLY SENSE WATER TOWARD SOUTH POINT.

AND SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO COLLECT THOSE AREAS AND PROPERLY ROUTE THEM, UH, AROUND THE, AROUND THE SITE BACK TO THE WETLANDS WHERE THEY ULTIMATELY GO.

SO, UM, WE, WE'VE NOT REALLY FINALIZED THAT NUMBER UNTIL WE GET INTO SOME OF OUR DETAILED GRADING, BUT OUR, OUR 15 FEET IS KIND OF OUR WORKING NUMBER AS TO WHAT WE THINK WE MAY ULTIMATELY, UH, NEED IN SOME AREAS TO ALLOW FOR REAR YARD DRAINAGE, PLACEMENT OF DRAINAGE PIPES AND THOSE KIND OF ITEMS. UM, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY THIS IS LIKE, THIS IS THIS ACCESS TO THIS PARCEL DOES COME, UH, DOWN THIS BOTTOM RIGHT AREA, UH, WHICH IS THE PINE ARBOR EXTENSION.

UH, WATER AND SEWER, UH, AND ACCESS ARE ALL PROVIDED AS A PART OF THE SOUTH POINT INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, IMP.

AND THEN THE, THE CITY STAFF HAS THE PHASE ONE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTAL, AND I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO FINALIZING THAT BASED ON A COUPLE OF, OF, UH, SOME FLOODWAY CROSSING ITEMS THAT ARE STILL BEING WORKED THROUGH WITH, WITH CHRIS AND, UH, WITH STAFF.

SO, BUT I OPEN, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME OPEN UP, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF QUESTIONS TO, TO COUNSEL, UH, THE STAFF.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE APPLICANT TEAM HERE AS WELL, UM, TO HELP, HELP ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ON PROGRAM, ON, YOU KNOW, SCHEDULING OTHER TYPES OF ITEMS TOO.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

UH, I'LL REMIND THE COUNCIL, WE ARE IN A WORKSHOP MODE, SO THERE WILL BE NO FORMAL, UM, UH, RELAXED RULES OF ORDER.

SO, UH, ANYONE CAN SPEAK WHEN THEY WISH.

JUST PLEASE RESPECT THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE COMPLETE THEIR THOUGHTS BEFORE YOU JUMP IN.

SO, HAVING SAID THAT, COUNSEL, FIRE AWAY , I HAVE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

COUPLE OF CONCERNS.

YES.

I'M LOOKING AT THE PLAN HERE.

I SEE A 20 FOOT WETLAND BUFFER, UM MM-HMM .

PARCEL 13.

THE DEVELOPED AREA IS PROBABLY THE SAME SIZE AS TOTAL TO WETLAND BUFFER.

YOU'RE ONLY SHOWING A PORTION OF IT THERE.

THAT WETLAND BUFFER RUNS ALL THE WAY BACK DOWN TO ALMOST ENC PARCEL, UH, 12 B, AND IT LOOKS LIKE 18.

WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF MOVING THAT BUFFER BACK ANOTHER, UH, 30 FEET? I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT BUFFER, THE SAME BUFFER THAT YOU HAVE WITH, UH, THE INTERSTATE.

I THINK THAT PROTECTS THAT WETLAND AREA A LITTLE BIT MORE.

UM, TO ME IT JUST, IT JUST MAKES THAT MUCH SENSE TO, TO HAVE THAT THERE.

UH, THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE THERE, YOU HAVE THESE PARK AREAS, UH, STRETCHED AROUND HERE, AND YOU HAVE AN AMENITY CENTER BASED UPON YOUR DENSITY OF 260 SINGLE UNITS, IF WE FIGURED 400 OCCUPANTS, MAYBE MORE DEPENDING ON THE, ON THE UNITS.

MM-HMM .

IS THAT AMENITY CENTER SIZED ENOUGH TO HANDLE FOUR TO 600 RESIDENTS? I'LL, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THE ULTIMATE PROGRAM OF THE AMENITY.

THAT'S, THAT'S SOMEWHAT OF A KIND OF A PLACEHOLDER, UH, IN ORDER TO SHOW WHERE THE PRIMARY FACILITY WILL BE.

BUT I THINK IT IS INTENDED TO INCLUDE, UM, POOL, GYM, OTHER TYPES OF FEATURES THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S, THE IDEA IS THAT THIS CORNER, UH, AS YOU COME INTO THIS PARCEL IS WHAT'S SET ASIDE KIND OF AS THE PRIMARY HUMIDITY ACTIVE, REALLY, YOU KNOW, GATHERING SPACE, UM, ENCLOSED YEAH.

FOR THE, FOR THE SITE.

SO, UM, THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE IS COMING IN OFF OF ROAD A IN YOUR, WE'RE DOWN THE ROAD YET, YOU KNOW, I STILL HAVE SOME GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ACCESS OFF OF JOHN SMITH ROAD FOR ALL OF THIS.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A CONSTRUCTION ROAD OR THE, THE LOGGING ROAD INTO THERE YET, AND ASKING TO APPROVE THIS BEFORE WE EVEN KNOW WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA BE.

I HAVE MY CONCERNS.

UH, THAT'S JUST ME.

UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE APPROVE THIS, IF WE APPROVE THIS, IT IS THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A TIMEFRAME THAT THEY CAN'T START UNTIL THE APPROVED ACCESS ROOMS IN AND OUT OF THERE ARE COMPLETED? OR WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT? SO I CAN SPEAK TO THE, THE CONSTRUCTION ACCESS ROAD.

MM-HMM .

UH, IT HAS BEEN, UH, IT'S A PART OF OUR PHASE ONE APPLICATION TO THE CITY, AND DOT HAS APPROVED THE LOCATION OF THE KIND OF CONSTRUCTION ACCESS, UM, WHICH IS, IS NOT ALIGNED WITH PINE ARBOR.

IT IS SEPARATED ALL PINE ARBOR, UM, AS REQUEST TO COUNCIL DURING THE IMP.

UM, BUT DOT HAS

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SO THAT, THAT PART HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THE PHASE ONE PLANS AND HAS BEEN APPROVED BY DOT, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN BUILT YET.

CORRECT? WE HAVE NOT FINALIZED THE PHASE ONE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, PERMIT.

OKAY.

BECAUSE WHERE I'M LOOKING, WHERE I'M GOING WITH ALL OF THIS IS HE'S GOT A LOT OF TREES ON THERE.

NOW, WE HAD ASSUMED THAT THE JOHN SMITH BRIDGE WOULD BE GONE BY THIS OCTOBER, AND OUR THOUGHTS WERE, WAS WHERE THE TREES WERE BEING TAKEN OUT.

THEY WOULD GO OUT, UH, PINE HARBOR AND THAT, AND, AND THAT WAY WE DON'T KNOW NOW BECAUSE OF THE DELAYS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I DO NOT WANT LOGGING COMING OUT ON JOHN SMITH AND GOING DOWN TO 2 78.

THAT IS A KILLER FOR ME FOR ANY PROJECT THAT'S COMING OUT OF THERE.

UM, BUT SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT PUSHING THAT WETLAND BUFFER BACK.

LET'S PROTECT WHAT WE DO HAVE.

I MEAN, 20 FEET, GIVEN THE LOCATION OF WHAT THESE TOWN HOMES ARE, IT WOULD GIVE THOSE FOLKS A LITTLE BIT OF, OF LAND.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN'T PUSH IT BACK BECAUSE OF WHERE IT IS, BUT IT POSSIBLE EVEN 10 FEET, 20 FEET, ANYTHING MORE OKAY.

WOULD BE GREAT.

I, I WILL TELL YOU THE, AND WE, WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT, UH, THE, THE 20 FOOT WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE, UM, WETLAND CONSULTANTS AND WHAT THEY'RE EXPECTING THE CORE TO ULTIMATELY REQUIRE AS PART OF THE, THE OVERALL MASS, UH, INDIVIDUAL PERMIT FOR ALL OF SOUTH POINT.

SO THAT IS, IS WHAT THAT IS, IS A DIRECT, UH, POOL FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD, UH, INTO PLAN FOR BY THE WET CONSULTANT.

WELL, SO 20 FOOT IS ALWAYS GONNA BE A CONCERN FOR YOU.

20 FEET'S NOT THAT MUCH CROWD.

ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANYONE, UM, THE BUFFER ALONG I 95, ARE YOU GOING TO LOG IT TO THE PROPERTY LINE OR ARE YOU GOING TO LEAVE THAT BUFFER INTACT? THE INTENT IS TO LEAVE IT FULLY INTACT.

HOWEVER, UM, THERE, THERE MAY BE AREAS WHERE WE DO HAVE TO PROVIDE EITHER SOME, SOME PIPED DRAINAGE OR OPEN, OPEN SWELL DRAINAGE TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT DOT IS CURRENTLY SENDING OUR WAY THERE, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO OR THREE LOCATIONS WHERE, UH, DOT PRESENTLY SENDS UH, UH, WATER TOWARD US, AND THOSE ARE BEING EXPANDED AS A PART OF THE WIDENING PROJECT.

AND SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE AREAS AND PROPERLY HANDLE THEM AND BYPASS THEM AROUND THE SITE.

SO THERE'S, AND THERE'S ONE KIND OF RIGHT, THE LARGEST OF THEM IS KIND OF A RIGHT IN THIS AREA.

UM, AND IT, IT REALLY KIND OF BISECTS THE PROPERTY ALTOGETHER.

SO THAT'LL ALLOW US TO, TO TAKE THAT DRAINAGE WATER AND GET IT KIND OF AROUND AND BACK INTO ITS ORIGINAL FLOW PATH.

SO, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO CLEAR THE ENTIRE BUFFER LINE, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE THE SECTION WHERE YOU NEED TO RUN THOSE DRAINS, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.

OKAY.

CORRECT.

UM, WHEN WE APPROVE THE INITIAL IMP, UM, WE APPROVED A VERY STRINGENT STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.

UM, AND I WOULD HOPE ACTUALLY, I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT TO BE FOLLOWED TO THE T BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS DON'T FOLLOW THAT AND WE FLOOD BACK THERE, BECAUSE THIS IS A LOW COUNTRY AND THAT PLACE FLOODS, THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THOSE HOMES ARE GOING TO BE ON THE HOOK TO DEAL WITH THE FLOOD WATERS IF YOU GUYS DON'T TAKE CARE OF THAT.

SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS ALL THESE STORM WATER PONDS, HOW DEEP ARE THEY GOING TO BE? SO, UH, TWO, TWO THOUGHTS.

ONE IS WE, WE, BEING THE, THE MASTER DEVELOPER HAS BROUGHT ON BOARD A FLOOD CONSULTANT TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND, UH, IN GREATER DETAIL, UH, HOW WATER MOVES IN AND AROUND THROUGH THE SITE AND ARE GETTING RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THEM ON HOW TO PROPERLY ADDRESS THAT, HANDLE THAT, UM, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER MEASURES MIGHT NEED TO BE DONE.

UM, AND THEN, SO JUST HEADS UP, JUST WANNA LET THE COUNCIL KNOW THAT THERE IS A, A CONSULTANT THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT ON BOARD THAT SPECIALIZES IN, IN FLOODWAYS AND THESE KIND OF LARGER HYDROLOGY SITUATIONS TO UNDERSTAND MOVEMENT OF, OF WATER THROUGH, UH, THROUGH SOUTH POINT.

UH, SECONDLY TO THAT, UH, WE EXPECT EACH OF THESE TO BE A WET POND, UH, A WORKING VOLUME FROM WATER LEVEL TO TOP OF, OF THE POND TO BE IN THE THREE TO FOUR FOOT RANGE, AND THEN HAVE A WET VOLUME BELOW THAT, I WOULD SAY IN THE FIVE TO EIGHT FOOT RANGE.

UM, SO THAT'S IN GENERAL, I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT 10 TO 12 FEET FROM KIND OF THE TOP OF THE POND DOWN TO THE, TO THE VERY BOTTOM.

UH, SO UNTIL WE GET INTO SOME OF THE

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OKAY.

SO YOU DID SAY SOMETHING EARLIER ABOUT THE INTERCONNECTIVITY OF THE STORMWATER PARTS.

HOW BIG ARE THOSE CULVERTS GOING TO BE? SO, UH, THE CULVERTS THAT WE HAVE INTERNAL TO US, WE, UM, OUR PRELIMINARY SIZING, WAS IT LIKE IN THE 36 OR I THINK 36 INCH RANGE, UM, BASED ON OUR PRELIMINARY SIZING AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'VE ALLOCATED IS MORE THAN ADEQUATE.

UM, WE'LL FINALIZE THAT WITH STAFF KIND OF AS OUR, AS OUR DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

BUT WE'RE THINKING BETWEEN THE 36 TO 48 INCH OR WHATEVER.

HONESTLY, WHATEVER IS NEEDED AT THE END OF THE DAY WILL, WILL BE WHAT DICTATES THOSE, THOSE SIZES.

BUT THEY WILL, ALL OUR INTENTION IS THAT ALL THESE WILL ALL KIND OF FUNCTION TOGETHER AS A, AS A UNIFORM SYSTEM.

OKAY.

SO YEAH, BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN THIS WAS INITIALLY APPROVED, UH, THEY WENT OVER AND ABOVE CORRECT, I THINK THEY AND EXTRAPOLATED NUMBERS TO THE 500 YEAR YEAR FLOOD.

SO I'M EXPECTING AT LEAST FALLING ABOVE THE HUNDRED YEAR OR SOMEWHERE IN THERE BECAUSE WHERE WILL THE STORM WATER BE DUMPED OUT EVENTUALLY? WHERE WILL IT GO? THE OVERFLOW.

SO ALL THIS AREA KIND OF FLOWS TO THIS LARGER WETLAND THAT'S, THAT'S DOWN HERE.

AND THEN THAT WETLAND THEN FLOWS TO THE NORTHEAST, KIND OF PARALLEL TO JOHN SMITH ROAD GOING BACK TOWARD 2 78.

OKAY.

SO THAT BRIDGE ON 2 78, RIGHT.

IT KIND OF, IT WORKS ITS WAY FROM HERE BACK TO THAT 2 78 BRIDGE AND THEN AROUND THE GREAT SWAMP AND BACK DOWN AGAIN.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, HOW, ALL RIGHT, SO THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS, I WAS, HAD CONCERN WHEN I SAW THE INITIAL MAP OF ALL OF THIS STUFF WAS THE TURNAROUND FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

AND I SEE THAT YOU HAVE ADDRESSED THAT.

UM, MY CONCERN WAS OUR BIGGEST APPAR IS THE LADDER TRUCK.

AND, AND I BELIEVE THESE ARE, HOW MANY STORIES ARE THESE, UH, FAMILY HOMES TWO, ARE THEY TWO STORIES? TWO STORIES.

OKAY.

UM, SO I, I JUST WANT TO KNOW, AND I SEE CHIEF MEYER HERE, SO WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO TURN THE LADDER TRUCK AROUND THESE STREETS IF THEY NEED TO RESPOND AND GET OUT? I DO BELIEVE THAT, YES, MA'AM.

I, I, I DO BELIEVE THOSE ASPECTS OF RALPH.

SO AS LONG AS HE SIGNED OFF ON THAT, ON THE FIRE MARSHAL SIDE, WE NEED.

OKAY.

THAT WAS MY BIGGEST CONCERN BECAUSE THAT'S OUR BIGGEST RIGHT NOW IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO SWING THAT AROUND WHEN WE HAVE A FIRE OR SOMETHING GOING ON BACK THERE.

AND ALSO IF WE ARE GONNA HAVE EMERGENCY ACCESS INTO THE PARCEL NEXT DOOR, WE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE TURNS BECAUSE THOSE THINGS DON'T TURN ON A DIME.

I MEAN, THEY NEED A WHITE YOURSELF.

YES, MA'AM.

THAT WAS MY BIGGEST CONCERN WHEN I SAW THE INITIAL YES MA'AM.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THANKS.

UM, I HAVE , BUT I'M SURE I'LL LEAVE IT TO THE REST MY TO ASK MORE QUESTION.

WE'RE HERE FOR YOU.

I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION STEP.

SEE YOU LOOK AT THIS.

ADEQUATE PARKING IS PROVIDED UNDER THIS PLAN.

YES.

THEY'VE PROVIDED, SO ALL OF THE EXTRA PARKING THAT YOU SEE ON THE PLANS MM-HMM .

THANK YOU IS ALL FOR VISITORS.

WE ASK THEM TO ADD THAT IN THROUGHOUT THE INITIAL, UM, PROCESS.

BUT THE TOWN HOMES HAVE THEIR OWN PARKING ON SITE.

SO TWO CARS FOR EACH TOWN HOME.

YES.

OKAY.

MM-HMM .

THANK YOU.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I BEGIN? I I HAVE A, CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING REALLY QUICK? CERTAINLY.

UM, SO THE HEIGHT OF THE TOWN HOMES IS RESTRICTED BY THE PD, SO IT'S 35 FEET.

UM, SO THERE MAY BE THREE STORIES IF THERE'S A DRIVE-IN, DRIVE UNDER FROM THE GARAGE TO BE AT THE BOTTOM.

AND THEN TWO, THREE, JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT.

OKAY.

AS LONG AS THE FIRE MARSHAL HAS GIVEN HIS BLESSINGS AS FAR AS GETTING THAT LADDER TRUCK UP THERE.

I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

AND THAT TO ME IS MY BIGGEST WORRY BECAUSE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO RESCUE PEOPLE IN THE DEAD OF NIGHT, YES, MA'AM.

UH, AND, AND THEY'RE UP ON THAT STORY SCREAMING SMOKE COMING OUT, UH, IT CAN BE CHAOTIC.

SO, UH, WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT SAFETY ASPECTS ARE FOLLOWED.

THANK YOU.

SO WHAT, THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD REITERATE, I THINK VAL HAS RAISED SOME EXCELLENT POINTS AND YOUR CONSULTANT ON THE FLOOD ROLLER, THAT REPORTS A BIG UNKNOWN TO,

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UM, ACTUALLY I'M, I'M MISSING THE, THE WEEKLY CALL RIGHT NOW.

UM, BUT WE ARE, WE SHOULD HAVE PRELIMINARY RESULTS WITHIN THE NEXT, WITHIN 30 DAYS.

AND WE'RE ACTUALLY HOPING TO MEET WITH CHRIS, UM, SOMETIME BEFORE THE END OF OCTOBER TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THOSE FINDINGS TO HIM.

UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF OUR WORKING, WORKING DATE RIGHT NOW.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY INTO THAT AND WE EXPECT THAT ANOTHER 30 DAYS OR SO ON THE FINAL RESULTS AND THEN THE REPORT TO SUMMARIZE THOSE RESULTS.

YEAH.

I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT INITIATIVE YOU'VE TAKEN.

AND WE'LL REPORT TO HEARING THAT REPORT.

I KNOW I'LL, WE ARE AS WELL.

I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, I GOT, UH, HANDED A NOTE, SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, BECAUSE IT FOLLOWS UP TO WHAT, UM, MRS. GUZMAN ASKED ONCE I 95 IS WIDENED.

WHAT WILL THE BUFFER BE FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT? SO IN, IN THIS AREA, THE, THE WIDENING OF 95 IS INTERNAL TO THE MEDIAN, NOT EXTERNAL.

SO REALLY THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A LOSS OF BUFFER THROUGH THIS STRETCH OF THE I 95 WIDENING.

UM, AND SO, AND THAT, THAT RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S HERE WILL REMAIN UNTOUCHED.

UM, SO THERE SHOULD BE NO LOSS OF BUFFER DUE TO THE NINE FIVE WIDENING THROUGH OUR STRETCH.

AND SO WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN WHERE YOU, IT SAYS PROPERTY LINE TO ACTUALLY, UM, I 95.

UH, I WILL, I DON'T KNOW THAT OFFHAND, BUT I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU IF I DID MY VERY, VERY BACK OF THE NAPKIN MATH BASED ON THAT BEING 50, I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY 125, GIVE OR TAKE.

AND WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, IF YOU COULD ALSO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE EXISTING BUFFER THAT'S THERE.

OKAY.

AND THAT WAY WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT GETS ADDED TO THE INTERNAL BUFFER.

RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT I, I, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT OKAY.

DISTANCE, WHAT IS THERE? IS IT ALL TREES? MM-HMM .

AND YOU KNOW, AND THEY WILL REMAIN, WELL OF COURSE THEY'RE BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE, SO IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THIS MAP THAT IT'S ALL TREES.

SO WE, WE NEED, I THINK JOSH IS RIGHT.

WE'D LIKE TO KNOW THE, WHAT THAT SPACE IS, 125 FEET, WHATEVER.

IT'S, UM, AND, AND JUST FOR, WE WILL UPDATE OUR EXHIBITS TO BE THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL FOR THE FORMAL COUNSEL MEETING.

SO THAT WAY YOUR INP BOOKS INCLUDE THE PROPER MAPS AND EXHIBITS.

WE WANTED TO BRING YOU OUR UPDATED LAND PLAN TO MAKE SURE WE HAD, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING FOR DISCUSSION AND THE ABILITY TO, TO REVIEW THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE SINCE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO WHEN WE GET THE FIRST READING, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR INP BOOKLET WILL BE FULLY UPDATED AND, AND BROUGHT BACK TO BACK TO SNUFF.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, WE, WE'VE SEEN 125 FOOT BUFFERS AND EVEN 175 FOOT BUFFERS ALONG LESS TRAVELED ROADS.

I'LL, I'LL USE ARJUN BOULEVARD AS AN EXAMPLE.

AND THE MINUTE SOMEBODY CLOSES ON THAT, THEY START COMPLAINING ABOUT THE NOISE.

UM, WE HAVE IN PAST, WE HAVE ASKED ABOUT, UH, SOME OTHER LOCATIONS, PARTICULARLY ALONG JUN BOULEVARD.

ARE THERE ANY MATERIALS THAT WILL BE USED TO MITIGATE THE NOISE? BECAUSE I'LL GUARANTEE YOU, WE'LL GET ASKED TO PUT UP A, A NOISE WALL THERE AS SOON AS THAT ALL THOSE HOMES ARE BUILT.

SO IS THERE, I KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN WINDOWS AND CERTAIN THINGS THAT CAN BE USED TO MITIGATE THE NOISE.

HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT GIVEN TO THAT? YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING MATERIALS, UM, WINDOWS.

WINDOWS, BUILDING MATERIALS.

YEAH.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALWAYS LOOK INTO.

UM, WE ARE THE DEVELOPER, WE'RE NOT THE BUILDER.

UM, BUT WE DO CONTROL THE, UH, UM, COVENANTS AND THE THANK YOU.

YES.

THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EXPLORE.

AND JUST FOR MY OWN CLARIFICATION, WHO DO YOU WORK FOR? FOUR STAR.

FOUR STAR? YES, SIR.

AND WHO ARE THEY? WE'RE THE

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OKAY.

'CAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS WE GO OUT AND WE FIND THE PROPERTY AND THEN WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND WE FIND THE PROPER BUILDER.

OKAY, SO ROI IS SELLING YOU THE PROPERTY? CORRECT.

AND THEN YOU'LL GO AND SELECT THE BUILDER? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE OF ACTIVE OPEN SPACE? THIS IS A COMMON QUESTION OR, UH, A QUESTION WE ASK ALL THE TIME.

NOT OPEN SPACE, CORRECT.

ACTIVE, OPEN SPACE, USABLE.

IT IS, IT IS 10%.

THE OVERALL IS 30, THE ACTIVE IS 10.

UM, IS THAT CORRECT, KATIE? YES.

OKAY.

AND SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE, THE SUMMARY OF THE ACTIVE OPEN SPACE, THAT'LL BE INCLUDED IN THE DOCUMENTS, BUT WE DO, WE DO EXCEED THE 10% OF REQUIRED ACTIVE OPEN SPACE THAT IS FOR THE PARCEL.

OKAY.

UM, I DON'T SEE SIDEWALKS.

KEVIN, HOW ARE YOU? KEVIN? GIO.

ROI, SORRY, IT WAS A LITTLE LATE.

WE'RE ACTUALLY ON THE CALL WITH THE FLOOD CONSULTANT THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, ON THE OPEN SPACE SIDE, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO NOTE THAT THE OVERALL SITE INCLUDES A LOT OF WET WETLANDS.

SO WHEN HE SAYS 10% ACTIVE, THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD.

BUT IF YOU KINDA LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT AREA THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CONSOLIDATED INTO THAT UPLAND SPACE, THAT'S PROBABLY 30 ACRES OR SO.

SO THE ACTIVE AIR OPEN SPACE REALLY IS ALL, IS HIGHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN KINDA SHOW YOU THE, THE REAL OPEN SPACE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA, THE COMMUNITY.

'CAUSE AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S CONSOLIDATED TO THIS AREA.

SO I THINK THAT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE 30, 32 ACRES.

AND SO IF WE HAVE FIVE ACRES, IT'S GONNA BE MORE LIKE 15% OR SO.

JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT NOTE THAT WE WERE INTENTIONAL ABOUT REALLY CONSOLIDATING ACTIVE OPEN SPACE INSIDE.

I THINK LAST TIME, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WENT INTO IT, YES, THEY REMOVED SOME OF THE ACTIVE OPEN SPACE THAT WERE, WAS OUTSIDE, NOT CONVENIENT TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO ANYHOW, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT POINT.

WHAT'S, WHEN WE SAY ACTIVE OPEN SPACE, KEVIN, IT'S, IT IS WHAT CAN BE USED FOR WHATEVER THE COMMUNITY.

AND, UH, THIS IS GONNA BE AN HOA COMMUNITY, I ASSUME? YES.

OKAY.

WHAT THEY DEEM THEY WANT THEIR COMMUNITY TO HAVE COULD BE A DOG PARK, IT COULD BE SWING SETS, IT COULD BE WHATEVER.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S WHY IT, STARTING A FEW YEARS AGO, WE STARTED ASKING EVERY DEVELOPMENT, NOT JUST YOURS, TO KEEP AT LEAST 10% OF ACTIVE OPEN SPACE BECAUSE, AND PRIOR TO THAT, PEOPLE COME IN AND SAY, WELL, WE GOT 50% OPEN SPACE.

AND AS I'VE SAID TO EVERYBODY, ALLIGATORS ARE NOT OUT ACTIVE OPEN SPACE.

SO, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER PONDS WITH AN ALLIGATOR CANNOT BE USED FOR A, AS A SWIMMING HOLE.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE STARTED ASKING FOR THAT.

SO WHETHER THAT WHERE THAT IS IS WHAT WE WILL ASK TO POINT OUT AND STAFF'S FAMILIAR WITH THIS REQUEST.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, SOMETHING WE WANNA SEE.

WHERE IS IT? HOW MUCH IS IT? OKAY.

AND I THINK WE WERE GOING TO START WITH WHERE ARE THE SIDEWALKS? UM, SIDEWALKS ARE REQUIRED IN THE, THE ORIGINAL.

YEP.

IN THE, THE, THE PDD.

AND SO THIS, THIS PLAN THAT WE OH, OH, OH, THERE YOU GO.

SO AGAIN, WE'LL UPDATE OUR EXHIBITS TO FULLY REPLICATE THE PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED UH OH, OKAY.

EXHIBITS.

BUT YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY ARE DOUBLE LOADED ALONG THE ROADWAYS.

SO IT WAS, SO THEY'RE ALL RIGHT AND THEY'RE ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

I THINK IT'S JUST DOUBLE IT.

BOTH SIDES.

SO IT'LL BE DOUBLE LOADED WITH SIDEWALK.

IT IS.

OKAY.

UM, NOW I HAVE A QUESTION IN THIS, WHAT YOU HANDED TO US.

IF YOU LOOK AT, LET'S GO INTO THE MIDDLE AND YOU HAVE STORM WATER PLAN, UM, THE POND, EXCUSE ME.

UM, IT WITH THE CIRCLE AROUND IT, YOU SEE? POINT TO IT.

ALRIGHT, SO NOW JUST TO THE LEFT OF THAT, THOSE TOWN HOMES IN THE BACK, HOW DID THEY ACCESS THEIR PROPERTY? I DON'T SEE, IS THERE A ROAD THAT'S GOING TO GO?

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OKAY.

NOW GO JUST TO THE LEFT OF THAT.

SEE THOSE GROUP OF TOWN HOMES THERE? HOW DID I DON'T SEE A ROAD THAT GETS, GETS THEM BACK THERE.

THIS WHAT'S THAT? THEY FRONT LOADED.

THEY'RE FRONT, EVERYTHING'S FRONT LOADED.

SO ALL, ALL UNITS WILL USE THESE PRIMARY ROADWAYS.

IT'LL BE FRONT LOADED FOR THEIR ACCESS FOR DRIVEWAYS.

SO IS THERE GONNA BE AN ACCESS CUT THROUGH RIGHT? THIS, THIS ROADWAY RIGHT HERE? YEAH.

THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN CHANGES THAT WE MADE FROM THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT.

THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT DIDN'T HAVE ANY.

OOH.

ALRIGHT.

GO.

GO.

WE GO.

SORRY.

GO BACK.

GO BACK.

OKAY.

ALL I'LL GO BACK.

ALL RIGHT.

SO GO BACK TO WHERE YOU WERE POINTING.

MM-HMM .

THERE ARE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 HOMES GO BACK UP.

UP, RIGHT? NO, TO THE LEFT.

THERE WHERE WE LEFT.

SEE THOSE? MM-HMM .

WHERE THERE'S THE SIXTH THERE? MM-HMM .

HOW DO THOSE SIX HOMES WITH THEIR TWO CAR GARAGE GET THERE? THIS ROADWAY RIGHT HERE.

BUT THERE'S, THERE ARE HOMES IN FRONT OF IT.

NO, THOSE ARE THE PATIOS, PATIOS, PATIOS.

LOT, LOT LINES IN THE OH, SO THEY'RE NOT SIX IN THE DRIVEWAY, SIX IN THE BACK.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

YES.

SORRY.

YEP.

WE WERE, WE WERE SHOWING THE, THE TOTAL I WAS CONFUSED TO OKAY.

AND THEN THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE IN THE MIDDLE TO SHOW FRONT YARD, REAR YARD.

UM, SO, OKAY.

UM, NOW WE HAVE, UH, DA FEES ATTACHED TO THIS COMMUNITY, RIGHT? CORRECT.

IT'S PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND UH, WE HAVE PARTS, UH, STAFF, WE HAVE PARKS IN THERE.

COULD YOU LOOK THAT UP? WE DO.

WE DO.

WE DO.

OKAY.

THE REASON I'M ASKING BECAUSE THESE ACTIVE OPEN SPACES, IF THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO HAVE A PARK WHERE THERE'S SWINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I'D LIKE TO HAVE DA FEES.

SO THESE ARE POSSIBLE TO BE, UH, IMPLEMENTED.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S, IT WOULD HAVE TO GET APPROVALS, BUT AT LEAST IT'S THE MONEY'S THERE.

UM, SO ALONG I 95, THERE'S A 50 FOOT BUFFER, BUT I, I DIDN'T, I MADE A QUESTION MARK.

YOU MAY HAVE TO TAKE SOME DOWN AND THERE WOULD ONLY BE 15 FEET.

THE, DID I MISUNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID? UH, I THINK IT'S THE, IT IS THE INVERT OF THAT THE, THE PDD AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ALLOW THAT BUFFER, UM, TO BE UTILIZED FOR STORMWATER PURPOSES.

WE DON'T INTEND TO DO THAT, BUT THERE MAY BE A COUPLE OF AREAS WHERE WE HAVE TO COLLECT DOT DRAINAGE AND ROUTE IT.

AND SO IN THOSE AREAS WE MAY USE UP TO 15 FEET OF THE BUFFER UP TO 15 FEET TO DO THAT.

CORRECT.

BUT IT WOULDN'T BE ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY LINE.

CORRECT.

IT WOULD ONLY BE IN AREAS NEEDED TO COLLECT THAT DRAINAGE.

OKAY.

AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE WETLAND BUFFER, SOMEONE ELSE BROUGHT THIS UP.

I THINK STEVE, UM, I AGREE WITH HIM THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING, UM, ONLY 20 FEET ALONG THE WETLAND BUFFER.

IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME.

I, I, I AGREE WITH STEVE ON THAT.

UM, WOULD IT, YES.

CAN I JUST ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? 'CAUSE UM, IT, IT'S A, WE ANTICIPATE A 20 FOOT AVERAGE WETLAND BUFFER AND, AND ONE WAY WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE A LARGER BUFFER.

WHERE IS IT? IT'S A IT PUSH PUSHED ALL THE TOP.

ARE THERE IS TO, I MEAN, INSTEAD OF, 'CAUSE WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IS IF, LET'S SAY YOU SAY LET 25 OR 30, YOU KNOW, THEN THE REDESIGN EFFORT WILL START TO BRING THESE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE WETLAND HERE, THESE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO WETLANDS, THESE PUSH THESE AWAY.

AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, WE'VE KIND OF, BUT IF YOU TAKE THE AVERAGE, AND MAYBE WE COULD TAKE THIS LINE AND JUST EXTEND IT BEYOND ALL THESE UNITS.

I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY HEFTY.

IT IS GONNA BE MAYBE 40 FEET OR 50, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU AVERAGE OUT ALL OF THESE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ARGUE IN, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT, IT IS IN A, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT GOING TO A UNIFORM, UM, DISTANCE, UM, OR NOT GOING TO UNIFORM DISTANCE SOMETIMES IS MORE BENEFICIAL THAN, THAN,

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SO I, ANYHOW, MAYBE WE, WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB COMMUNICATING THAT BUFFER ALONG THE BACK SO THAT YOU HAVE A BETTER FEEL FOR THAT.

UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU GOT SOME PINCH POINTS HERE, LIKE YOU SAID, AND MAYBE THERE'S WAYS WE CAN, YOU KNOW, REDUCE REAR YARDS OR SOMEHOW, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU START TAKING THE, THE TOTAL DISTANCE, YOU'LL FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S JUST A, A THOUGHT WE'VE HAD.

AVERAGE, YEAH.