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I WANT TO, UH, THANK YOU FOR GIVING US WISDOM TODAY AND, AND HELP US, GUIDE US IN THESE DECISIONS WE'RE GONNA MAKE FOR THE TOWN OF VILLE.
[INVOCATION & PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
AMEN.AND CAN WE PLEASE TAKE A SECOND, UH, FOR THE VICTIMS OF NINE 11, MOMENT OF SILENCE? THANK YOU.
A PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS FOR ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY TO JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THANK YOU, MR. I CAN HEAR YOU AND I CAN HEAR ME APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT OTHER THAN, UH, WHAT'S
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY? ANY OTHER ITEMS THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON ON ALL BUSINESS MINUTES FROM AUGUST 20, 20, 25.[OLD BUSINESS]
PLANNING, COMMISSION MEETING.DO I ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS?
[MINUTES FROM AUGUST 20, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING]
HEARING NONE DATE AND, UH, A MOTION? I MOVE.APPROVAL OF MINUTES? I'LL SECOND.
[NEW BUSINESS]
PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PDD.THE WHAT? WE, WE UPDATED THE AGENDA.
CONSIDERATION OF AN APPOINTMENT TO SERVE AS LIAISON TO THE, UH, COUNTY JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION.
DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE, FROM THE, UH,
[A.]
MEMBERS? IF NOT, I, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND, UH, JEFF FOREMAN AS OUR LIAISON ON THE MOTION.I MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPOINT JEFF AS LIAISON FOR THE, UH, COUNCIL.
BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPOINT JEFF AS THE LIAISON TO THE COUNTY.
NOW I'LL MOVE ALONG TO NEW BUSINESS CONSIDERATION OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PDD FOR PAS
[CONSIDERATION OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT (PDD) FOR PARCELS 039-00-08-196 (Currently zoned Hardeeville Savannah Tract PDD) & 039-00-08-149 (Currently zoned RA in Jasper County) TO BE KNOWN AS PLEASANT BROOK PDD]
0 3 9 DASH ZERO ZERO DASH 0 8 0 1 6.CURRENTLY ZONED IN VILLE SAVANNAH, TRACK, PDD AND 0 3 9 DASH 0 8 9.
CURRENTLY ZONED RA IN JASPER COUNTY TO BE KNOWN AS PLEASANT BROOK PD.
DD KATIE AND I ARE GONNA TAG TEAM THIS, BUT LET, I'LL LET HER GET THE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES TAKEN CARE OF.
OH, HE'S GOT THE, JUST JUST GIVE US A MOMENT.
WE ARE LEARNING THE NEW SYSTEM AND THE PODIUM'S NOT HERE YET.
UM, WHERE'S YOUR MIC? RIGHT THERE.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE NEW CONTROLS UP HERE YET, SO, UM, WE'LL GET THERE.
YEAH, WE PROBABLY GET YOURS FIRST.
IT WORKED UNTIL THE MEETING STARTED.
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MAYBE WE SHOULD START WITH FELIPE.YEAH, WE CAN, WE'LL START WITH THE APPLICANT.
AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S LOADING, BUT IT'S WITH THE NEW SYSTEM.
THAT VERSION OF POWERPOINT HAS NOT BEEN LOADING CORRECTLY AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE USING THE ONLINE VERSION.
AND UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NEITHER ONE, BUT IT, IT TRIES TO LOAD, BUT IT DOESN'T.
UM, BUT WE ARE GONNA START WITH HOPEFULLY WITH THE APPLICANTS.
NOPE, NOTHING'S WORKING RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE GONNA GONNA RESTART EVERYTHING.
WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO SING AND DANCE? NO, I WOULD NOT.
GUESS WE COULD DO THE, UM, PLANNING REPORT.
WERE YOU GONNA DO THAT FOR US? THANKS.
WE CAN JUMP AHEAD TO THE PLANNING REPORT.
WHILE THIS GETS REMEDIED, CHRIS IS GONNA HANDLE THIS FOR US TODAY.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS UPDATE ON, UM, DOWN ON ARJUN BOULEVARD.
YOU'LL START TO SEE SOME WORK BEING DONE AT, UM, SHORTCUT AND JASPER STATION ROAD.
THEY'RE GETTING THE EROSION CONTROL IN PLACE SO THEY CAN GET THE LIGHT IN DOWN THERE.
SO JUST BE MINDFUL WHEN YOU'RE GOING DOWN THERE.
THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION WHILE THEY'RE GETTING THAT DONE.
SO MOST OF THE WORK WILL BE DONE AT NIGHT.
UM, BUT YOU'LL SEE THAT GOING ON.
UM, HERE IN POINT IS UNDERWAY.
THERE STARTED SOME TREE REMOVAL THAT'S THE ENTRANCE IS DOWN HERE NEAR WALSH DRIVE ON MAIN STREET.
UM, THAT FIRST PHASE HAS A, I THINK 182 UNITS THAT ARE GOING UP FIRST.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE WORK BEING DONE DOWN AT MEMORIAL PARK.
THEY'RE MOVING ALONG PRETTY GOOD.
THEY'RE WORKING ON THE STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT NOW.
AND YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I HAVE FOR CURRENT PLANNING PROJECTS TO UPDATE ON.
THEY, THEY'VE STARTED THE, UH, LEFT TURN LANES.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ON 2 78.
DO WE HAVE A TIMEFRAME ON? NO, THEY SAID DECEMBER, BUT IT KIND OF, IT GOT A, IT GOT A LATE START.
UM, BUT IT IS, UM, THEY'RE PROGRESSING ALONG.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE MOVING DURING, I NOTICED THEY, THEY GOT THE, UH, THE STORM GREENS IN.
THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THEY DID.
AND THEN NOW THEY'RE KIND OF DEGRADING.
YEAH, I SAW THAT THE OTHER MORNING THAT THEY DID A LITTLE BIT MORE GRADING.
IT'S KIND OF, IT'S SLOW, BUT WHAT, WHEN WE GET RAIN, IT DOESN'T HELP 'CAUSE THAT TURNS INTO MUD.
WELL, THEY'RE, UM, THEY'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON IT EVERY NIGHT.
AND, UM, WE'LL JUST KEEP ON HAPPY FOR THE BEST.
THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF ACTIVITY GETTING GOING AS WE WENT, AS WE KNOW WITH THE, UM, I 95 WIDENING.
UM, THAT IS, UM, THEY'RE STARTING THEIR STAGING.
THEY'RE GONNA BE AT THE, UM, FORMER WASTE STATION ON OKAY.
I 95 TO THE SOUTH NORTHBOUND PHONE.
UM, SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT GOING ON WITH THAT.
SO YOU JUST ALWAYS BE READY FOR SOME DETOURS AND ROUTE CHANGES.
AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS MOVING ALONG PRETTY GOOD.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING OR, UM, I'VE GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHEN ARE WE GONNA SEE THE LIGHT AT, AND I KEEP TELLING 'EM IT'S NOT UP TO US.
THAT IS, UM, ONE YOU, YOU PROBABLY, IT IS PROGRESSING ALONG, BUT YOUR, YOUR ANSWER IS CORRECT.
THAT IS WHEN IT'S BEING DONE BY THE STATE AND, UM, WE ARE JUST WORKING ALONG WITH IT.
UM, THERE'S JUST GOING TO BE, IF YOU GET ANY MORE INFORMATION OUT OF THEM, I'LL CERTAINLY PASS IT ALONG TO YOU.
SO, BUT RIGHT NOW I DON'T, I KNOW, I KNOW BOTH MR. MESMAN AND I, I MEAN IT IS, IF IT IS ONE THING, IT IS ANOTHER, WHAT'S GOING ON? WHAT'S GOING ON.
WE KNOW WHICH BUCK'S GONNA START.
'CAUSE I SEE THEY CLEARED THE LAND NOW THAT'S NOT BUCKY'S.
NO, THAT'S UM, MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.
THAT'S WHAT WE KEEP TELLING 'EM.
I SAID NO, NO
THEY, I, THAT, THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP AND IT WAS LIKE, COME ON.
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ANYTHING WE LIKE THAT, THAT WE CAN CLARIFY THE THREE OF US.ASHLEY CAN, CAN CERTAINLY HELP YOU WITH THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ONE QUESTION ON 2 78 ACROSS FROM THE PART THAT THEY'RE CLEARING ALL THAT OUT, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE TAKEN A WHOLE SECTION, PATRICE, THAT'S FROM, THAT'S FROM MORGAN TRACK.
THAT'S GONNA BE THE SPINE ROAD THAT YOU SEE IN THERE.
AND THEN THE WHERE YOU, IT GETS BACK AND IT WIDENS OUT.
THAT'S GONNA BE WHERE THE, UM, FRONTAGE ROAD THAT WILL CONNECT.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THAT INTERSECTION.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE A ROAD GOING THROUGH THERE.
MINE ROAD'S GONNA GO ALL THE WAY TO 46.
LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GETTING CLOSER.
I CAN TALK ABOUT THE COMP PLAN A LITTLE BIT TOO.
WE'LL KEEP THROWING THINGS UP HERE.
UM, WE HAVE, WE'LL BE GOING ON THE 18TH TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR A FIRM TO A CONSULTING FIRM TO HELP US WITH THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.
UM, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
SO THAT'LL BE KICKING OFF IN, IN OCTOBER.
THAT PROCESS IF, IF COUNSEL APPROVES, WE DIDN'T DO IT LIKE WE DID BEFORE, SECTION BY SECTION.
UM, WE WERE WE'LL AT THE KICKOFF MEETING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE PROBABLY IN OCTOBER OR SO.
WE WILL HAVE ALL OF THAT SPELLED OUT FOR YOU ON EXACTLY.
IT WILL BE DONE A LOT DIFFERENTLY THAN WE DID IT LAST TIME AND A LOT MORE, UM, SUCCINCTLY.
HOPEFULLY GUYS, YOU GUYS WEREN'T HERE FOR THAT.
MAYBE ANYTHING PAINFUL? EVERYBODY BE DOING IT LOOKS LIKE WE GOT IT.
I THINK I SHOULD BE GOOD WITH JUST THE MOUSE.
BRANDON AND I ARE BOTH GONNA DO THIS.
SO
DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, UM, YES.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED, UM, ON PARKWAY OFF OF FREEDOM PARKWAY AND IN THE LEVY AREA OF, UM, THE CITY OF THE COUNTY.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S, IT'S TWO PARCELS CONNECTED BY A ROADWAY.
UM, AND I WILL, YEAH, CHRIS'S HEAD.
UM, THE FRONT PART IS UNDEVELOPED AND THE, AND HONEY CIRCLE ROAD DOES SPLIT THE FRONT PARCEL AS, AND THE BACK PARCEL HAS AN EQUESTRIAN CENTER, UM, LOCATED ON IT.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE FRONT PARCEL IS ALREADY IN THE CITY OF HARD LIMITS.
IT IS ZONED HARDY VILLE, SAVANNAH, PDD, UM, THAT AND THE, AND THE REAR PARCEL IS IN UN UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY.
UM, ALL OF THIS CAME ABOUT BECAUSE, UM, THE FRONT PARCEL, THE EIGHT ACRE PARCEL, UH, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO FREEDOM PARKWAY AND IN, IN, IN THE CITY OF HARDY BILL, UM, WAS BROUGHT IN AS PART OF THAT SAVANNAH HARDY BILL TRACK, PDD IN 2011.
THAT PARCEL THAT PDD NEVER HAD ITS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT EXECUTED.
IT WAS ANNEXED, IT WAS ZONED, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND IT BASICALLY SAT DORMANT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
UM, SO THIS PARCEL ENDED UP BEING ORPHANED, UM, WHEN THE OWNERSHIPS, SO WITH OWNERSHIP PROPERTY AND ALL THEY HAD WAS THE EIGHT ACRES IN OUR MCDO.
IN ORDER TO DO A, UM, MASTER PLAN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 10 ACRES.
SO THAT IS WHY THEY WERE ADDING THE EQUESTRIAN CENTER TO THIS PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO REQUEST AN IMP AND DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO THEY'RE ADDING THAT 45 ACRES, WHICH, UM, DOES OPERATE AS A, AN EQUESTRIAN FACILITY RIGHT NOW AND HAS, HAS BEEN IN, IN BUSINESS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
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THE EQUESTRIAN CENTER WILL COME INTO HARVILLE.THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REQUEST AS PART OF THIS REQUEST.
THE, THE ANNEXING THAT, UM, OKAY.
I DUNNO IF NOW, SO I DUNNO IF NOW'S A BETTER TIME TO STOP YOU AND ASK THIS QUESTION.
IT, I WANTED A LITTLE MORE EXPLANATION ABOUT THE LINE THAT SAYS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS NEVER EXECUTED.
IT, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS NE NEVER EXECUTED.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT WAS, IT WAS WRITTEN, IT WAS VOTED ON BY CITY COUNCIL.
SO IT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
IT WAS NEVER SIGNED BY EVERYBODY.
SO IT NEVER WAS OFFICIALLY EXECUTED.
THE PROPERTY OWNERS DID NOT SIGN IT.
SO IT DOES NOT, IT DID NOT COME IN WITH A, IT WAS ALREADY ANNEXED AND IT WAS ALREADY ZONED.
WE WOULDN'T ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN IN ANY LONGER, BUT BACK IN 2011 THIS HAPPENED.
SO THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT SIMPLE.
I MEAN, UM, THAT, THAT WAS COMING OFF OF THE 2008 CRASH AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS GOING ON.
AND, UM, I THINK SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS CHANGED THEIR MINDS.
THERE WAS A NUMBER OF PROPERTY OWNERS INVOLVED WITH THIS, THIS PROJECT.
I CAN'T DO, I CAN'T TALK AND CLICK.
SO THIS IS A PICTURE OF SOME OF THE ADJACENT PARCELS HERE.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE EQUESTRIAN CENTER AS EXISTS.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN.
UM, YOU HAVE THE PROPOSED FLEX WAREHOUSE SPACE HERE AND THEN EXISTING EQUESTRIAN FACILITY.
UM, THE PROPOSED LAND USES, UM, ARE FOR THE ENTIRE PDD AS THEY'RE, THEY'RE GROUPING IT THE LIMITED INDUSTRIAL, GENERAL COMMERCIAL, SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY.
UM, WE STAFF, STAFF DOES SUGGEST MULTIFAMILY BE REMOVED.
THAT'S BASED TO THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE.
THE, THE, THE PROPOSED, UM, LIMITED INDUSTRIAL USE THERE HAVE ON THAT FRONT PARCEL WOULD BE OPERATING OFF OF, OF SEPTIC, UM, AND NOT SEWER.
THERE'S NOT SEWER OUT THERE AT THIS TIME.
SO THAT IS ONE, ONE REASON FOR, UM, MULTIFAMILY MAY NOT BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE.
UM, SO AS FAR AS THE IMP GOES, WHAT THEY'RE REALLY ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW IS THE FLEX SPACE ON THAT FRONT PART.
UM, FOR FLEX FLEX SPACE FOR LIMITED INDUSTRIAL USES AND THE EXISTING EQUESTRIAN FACILITY.
UM, WE DO HAVE CONCERNS WITH LIMITED INDUSTRIAL IN THAT LOCATION.
UM, ONE THING WE WOULD LIKE TO, TO SAY THAT THE, MAYBE THE TIMING'S NOT QUITE RIGHT ON THIS ONE.
UM, AND THAT MAYBE WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME OPTIONS ON TYPES OF CONVENIENCE, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL OR OFFICE SPACE OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT MIGHT WORK THERE.
BUT THAT, THAT JUST TAKES MORE OF A CONVERSATION.
UM, TRANSPORTATION AND IN INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU COULD SEE THE PICTURE IN THE PICTURES.
FREEDOM PARKWAY DOES NEED A LOT OF, UM, IMPROVEMENT.
HONEYSUCKER IS, UH, CURRENTLY A DIRT ROAD.
UM, I GUESS IT'S EARTH, NOT DIRT
UM, OPEN SPACE 20% STAFF RECOMMENDS A MINIMUM OF 25% IN COMPLIANCE WITH MCDO PROPOSED BOTH FOR, THEY ARE LOOKING AT THAT 50 FOOT BUFFER REQUIREMENT FOR ANY SCREENING OF THE INDUSTRIAL USES BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE ON THAT COMMUNITY.
UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, TIMING OF THE DEVELOPMENT MIGHT NOT BE, UM, APPROPRIATE.
UM, EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, DOES NEED SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
AND, UM, WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE MULTIFAMILY SINGLE FAMILY, WE'D WANNA KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE INTENDING FOR OUT THERE, WHERE, HOW, AND WHEN AND THE PROXIMITY TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
CAN WE COME BACK TO THE MAP? YES, SIR.
SO WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE, OF THE EQUESTRIAN CENTER, THESE ARE ALL FAMILY HOMES.
I, I WILL LET THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THOSE.
BUT YES, THIS, THERE IS A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL AND, AND OKAY.
SO I WILL CERTAINLY LET THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT AND THEIR PRESENTATION A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I THINK THEY'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION.
AND, AND THEN I'LL, I'LL WAIT BECAUSE I HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO FELIPE.
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IT'S A WORKING, UH, GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF PLANNING COMMISSION.UH, MY NAME IS PHILIPPE TOLEDO.
I'M WITH THOMAS MANHATTAN REPRESENTING OUR CLIENT PREACHER FARMS. THIS HERE, UH, ON BEHALF OF THEM, WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU THE, THE PDD AND IMP APPLICATION.
UH, BEFORE I GET STARTED, UH, ONE THING I WANT TO, UH, RELATE TO YOU, THIS PROJECT HAVE GONE EXTEND, UH, INPUT FROM PUBLIC AS THE REQUEST OF STAFF.
THIS, WE HELD A PUBLIC MEETING ON APRIL 3RD AT THE REC CENTER, WHICH ALL OUR NEIGHBORS WERE OF THE PROJECT WERE NOTIFIED THEY ATTENDED.
THEY ALSO THEN ON JUNE 16TH, UH, A COUNCIL WORKSHOP WAS HELD.
UM, WE GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM THAT WORKSHOP.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE WAS A JOINT COUNCIL MEETING BETWEEN JASPER COUNTY AND THE CITY THAT WAS HELD ON JULY 10 AS A RESULT OF THAT WORKSHOP ON THE 16TH.
UM, WITH, WITH THAT, UH, THE OTHER PART I WANNA EMPHASIZE TOO, UH, IS SORRY.
FREEDOM PARKWAY HAS IN THE LAST MONTH WAS REPAID.
SO THAT CONCERN OF THE ROAD BEING IN BAD SHAPE WHEN WE HAD THE WORKSHOP HAD BEEN COMPLETED AT THE TIME OF THE WORKSHOP, WE DID NOT KNOW WHEN THE CONTRACT WAS PROCEEDING FORWARD WITH THE REPAYMENT SO THAT IT'S COMPLETED NOW THAT WORK, UH, GO NEXT ONE.
SO, UH, THE, AS YOU AS THE STAFF, UH, RELAY WE'RE PURSUING, UH, AMONG THE ISSUE, THE, THE THE USES LIMITED INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS PART, RIGHT? AND I KNOW HOW SENSITIVE THE, THE, THE WHOLE AREA IS TO WHEN WE HEAR WAREHOUSES.
RIGHT? AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE FEEDBACK WE GOT OUT OF THE, UH, WORKSHOP, RIGHT? SO THE INTENTION OF THE LIMITED INDUSTRIAL USES, BECAUSE IT ALLOWS, UH, AND IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IT ALLOWS FOR, UH, A SMALLER COMMERCIAL SPACE, YOU KNOW, FLEX OFFICES LIKE AN HVAC ELECTRICIAN, MAYBE A, A SMALL, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE, RIGHT? THINGS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY IN THE COMMERCIAL, UH, USE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE PROPOSING THAT.
AND IF, IF YOU GO TO THE, THE NEXT SLIDE, THE OTHER PART THAT WE WANT TO EMPHASIZE AND OUT OF THE FEEDBACK OF COUNCIL IS LIKE, THIS IS THE TYPE OF STYLE OF BUILDING THAT THE DEVELOPERS GOING FOR, RIGHT? NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA CREATE A HUGE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDINGS, RIGHT? LIKE YOU SEEING THE TILT UP WALL PANELS LIKE REGULAR WORKERS.
'CAUSE THERE'S ALREADY PLENTY OF OFFERING THAT BETWEEN CLAUS RIVERPORT AND ALL THAT, RIGHT? SO THE INTENTION IS PROVIDED A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT IS NOT THERE IN THAT AREA, UH, THAT IT COULD AGAIN ALLOW FOR SMALLER SPACE FOR SMALL BASISES TO TAKE PLACE ON THAT AREA, RIGHT? AND THIS, UH, THIS FACILITY ALSO, THEY, THEY WILL IMPROVE THE ACCESS ROAD.
IT WILL BE ETERNALLY ADDED TO IT.
HONEYSUCKER WILL BE SHIFTED, UH, TOWARDS THIS SITE SO IT CAN HAVE PROPER ACCESS.
THIS WILL BE PAVED, BUT THEN PAST THIS POINT, IT WILL REMAIN THE CHARACTER THAT IT CURRENTLY HAS, UH, FOR THE NEIGHBORS, WHICH IS NOT A PAVED ROAD.
IF WE CAN GO BACK, UM, GO BACK.
THE FACILITIES, THE QUESTION FACILITY IN THE BACK WILL REMAIN IN PLACE, RIGHT? THERE'S AGAIN, ZONING ALL, UH, USES REQUESTED FOR RESIDENTIAL FOR FUTURE.
BUT ANY CHANGE TO THIS MASTER PLAN WILL HAVE TO COME THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL IF THAT WERE TO BE PURSUING IN THE FUTURE.
AS OF NOW, THERE'S NO INTENTION OF DEVELOPING THE, THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
THE ONLY REASON, LIKE IT WAS MENTIONED, IT WOULD HAVE, IT HAD TO BE ADDED TO THE FRONT PARCEL IN ORDER TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT FOR A MASTER.
UM, AND IF YOU COULD GO TO MY LAST SLIDE, PLEASE.
UM, THIS, AS OF NOW, WE ALSO COMPLETED OUR WETLAND IMPACTS, PERMIT TRAFFIC STUDY, CULTURAL RESOURCES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
WE'LL SERVE LETTERS FROM THE UTILITY PROVIDERS.
AS, UH, KATIE MENTIONED IT, THERE'S NO CURRENTLY SEWER AVAILABLE IN THE AREA.
SO THAT'S WHY TO SERVE A SMALL BUILDING LIKE THAT, A SEPTIC SYSTEM WILL HAVE TO BE INSTALLED.
BUT THERE IS A 36 INCH TRANSMISSION LINE RIGHT IN, ALONG FRONT OF THE SIDE OF THAT WILL PROVIDE THE WATER SERVICE.
AND THE, THE DEVELOPMENT AL ALREADY EXCEEDS, UH, AS IS AS PRESENTED.
UH, THERE ARE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS SET ON THE PDD OF THE 20%.
I KNOW STAFF REQUESTED A 25% WE'RE AT, CURRENTLY AT 86% OF OPEN SPACE FOR THE WHOLE, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME FOR THE APPLICANT? I DO.
YOU NEED A 10 TO GET WHAT YOU WANT UP FRONT NOW.
AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE ADDED THE LOWER PARCEL, DISCONNECTED BY A ROAD.
BUT WHAT THAT ROAD DOESN'T DO IS IT DOESN'T
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HELP US WITH WHY WE WANT 10 TO BEGIN WITH.UM, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL, RURAL RESIDENTIAL AREA AND NOW WE'RE WANTING TO CHANGE THIS TO THIS AND THAT IS A BIG JUMP.
AND IF THAT'S NOT A GOOD FIT, UM, FOR THIS PROPERTY FOR ME, UM, AND I KNOW THE RESIDENTS AREN'T HERE AND I KNOW THAT WE HAD MEETINGS AND SUCH AND THEY'RE NOT HERE TO REPRESENT, BE REPRESENTED, UM, IN THE BULK THAT I THINK THEY SHOULD BE OR COULD BE.
BUT I WANNA SAY THAT THIS FIT, I DON'T THINK THEY AGREE ON IT BECAUSE I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE AND THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T REALLY LOVE THIS IDEA.
UM, I THINK THAT THESE THINGS HAVE A PLACE, BUT THIS ISN'T IT.
UM, ON BEHALF OF PRITCHARD FARM, THE APPLICANT, THERE'S A COUPLE OF, UM, POINTS THERE.
I'D JUST LIKE TO TOUCH ON A LITTLE BIT.
SO AS, AS STAFF HAD, UM, INDICATED, THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY, WHICH IS WITHIN THE CITY OF HARVILLE LIMITS, WHICH IS THAT FRONT ONE ALONG FREEDOM PARKWAY, IS IN THE SAVANNAH TRACT.
PDD, UM, IF YOU WOULD LOOK IN THOSE LIST OF USAGE, THERE'S A, A WHOLE BUNCH OF USES THAT ARE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, UM, THAT ARE, I WOULD SAY MORE, NOT DESTRUCTIVE, BUT WOULDN'T BE, UM, AS WELL SUITED IN THIS LOCATION.
SO WE'VE WORKED WITH THE STAFF TO WHITTLE DOWN THAT LIST WHEN THEY REQUESTED US TO DO OUR OWN PDD TO BE COGNIZANT OF THOSE NEIGHBORS.
UM, WE HAD THAT COMMUNITY MEETING.
WE HAD I THINK EIGHT PEOPLE TURN UP.
THERE ACTUALLY IS A RESIDENT HERE, UM, THAT LIVES RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD ON HONEYSUCKER ROAD.
AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM THEM IS THERE WAS MORE QUESTIONS THAN EVERYTHING OF, HEY, WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING TO DO? THERE WAS NOTHING NEGATIVE IN TERMS OF WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO HAPPEN HERE.
THEY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T STOP DEVELOPMENT IF THEY DON'T OWN THE PARCEL.
THEIR BIGGEST CONCERN, THEY WANTED THE ROAD TO STAY UNPAVED BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM SPEEDING DOWN THE ROAD TO EITHER ACCESS THE EQUESTRIAN PROPERTY OR ANY OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS.
AND THERE'S ALSO SOME, UM, PROPERTIES IN THE REAR THAT THERE'S AN ELECTRICIAN IN THE BACK.
THERE'S A CONTRACTOR THAT ESSENTIALLY HAS A CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS AND LAY DOWN YARD OUT THERE.
SO YES, THERE'S A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL, BUT SOME OTHER USES THERE AS WELL.
AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PROVIDE TENANT SPACES FOR USES LIKE THAT, THAT THEY CAN OPERATE, WHETHER IT'S A MOM AND POP HVAC ELECTRICIAN, UM, WHETHER IT'S A, A CONVENIENCE STORE TO PROVIDE A NEED IN THE COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, UM, AND COMMUNITY RESOURCES AS WELL.
SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THAT.
CAN, CAN I ASK YOU ONE QUESTION? SURE.
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE RESIDENTS IN THAT, UH, ON HONEY SOCCER.
UM, YOU SAID THERE'S AN ELECTRICIAN, ARE THEY LIKE ALL HOME BUSINESSES? I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT RETAIL, SO COMMERCIAL FACILITY.
SO IN TERMS OF A RETAIL FACILITY, THE ELECTRICIAN, AND THIS IS JUST HEARSAY FOR ME, FROM WHAT I KNOW FROM, FROM DRIVING BACK THERE, I BELIEVE THEY MAY HAVE A HOUSE THERE AS WELL.
AND, AND, AND MAYBE THE, THE RESIDENTS HERE, IF THEY CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT, THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
THEY CAN, THEY CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
UM, IT'S MORE, I GUESS A HOME-BASED OPERATION THEN, YOU KNOW, TAKES TRIPS TO AND FROM.
AND OUR, OUR TENANT SPACE WE SEE AS KIND OF BEING THE SAME THING.
THAT IF THEY NEED STORAGE SPACE FOR EQUIPMENT, UM, FOR FLEET VEHICLES, THAT SORT OF THING, THEY CAN OPERATE OUT OF THOSE TENANT SPACES AND THEN GO MAKE THEIR DAILY CALLS.
NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY WOULD DO OUT OF THEIR HOME IF THEY DIDN'T HAPPEN TO LIVE DOWN THAT SAME, UM, ROAD.
MR. FOREMAN, I I HAVE, I HAVE A NUMBER OF AREAS I I'VE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT.
UM, SOMETIMES AS YOU SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO PRESENTATIONS, THINGS COME UP THAT YOU DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND AS YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL WITH YOU TODAY.
UH, I, I WONDERED AM MY, MY, UH, INTEREST IN THE USE OF THE WORD THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAD NOT BEEN EXECUTED THE PREVIOUS.
IS THAT, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? THAT IS NOT IN EFFECT.
SO WE WERE NOT THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT IN.
UM, OR ANNEXED CITY, UH, UH, HARDY V UH, THIS WAS PURCHASED 20 17 20 18.
UM, SO WE WERE, WE WERE NOTIFIED BY STAFF THAT THIS WAS NOT EXECUTED.
WE WOULD HAVE TO DO OUR OWN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, OWNED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
SO, SO YOU, YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT IT IS NOT IN EFFECT, IF I MAY, I I ACTUALLY, I DISAGREE WITH THAT.
I'M COUNSEL FOR THE, UH, THE APPLICANT, BUT IT IS NOT EXECUTED.
BUT FOR 20, 30 YEARS, THE CITY HAS APPLIED THE STANDARDS OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO ALL OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE SUBJECT TO THAT PDD.
WELL, UM, AND, AND I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY SO I'M JUST GONNA SAY THE FEES THAT WERE SET UP IN THAT NONE
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OF THAT HAS EVER BEEN CHARGED.NONE OF THAT, UM, THE CONVEYANCES OR ANY OF THAT HAS BEEN, BEEN TAKEN IN PLACE.
WE HAVE TREATED IT AS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
AND THAT'S ONLY ONLY STANDARDS WE HAVE APPLIED TO THAT.
WELL, NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT MY, MY CONCERN WAS, WAS PRESENTED AS THOUGH THERE WAS NO DISAGREEMENT ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS IN EFFECT OR NOT.
AND I HAD A FEELING THERE WOULD BE, WELL, I I, I THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT CLARIFICATION BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING OF THE DA.
SO THE PD DD IS IN EFFECT, THE ZONING AND USES IN THE PD D ARE IN EFFECT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE, THE FEES, AS SHE SAID THAT ARE IN THAT HAVE NOT BEEN APPLIED.
THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS NOT FULLY EFFECTUAL, BUT THE PD DD ZONING AND USES ARE, AND IT'S BEEN TAXED AS THAT AND IT'S BEEN, UM, A PART OF THE CITY SINCE THAT PD DD WAS CREATED.
I, I, I GUESS, I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S THAT I'M AGREEING WITH THAT.
I, SO I GUESS THE, THE REASON I RAISED THAT ISSUE IS I, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WOULD AFFECT ANY OF THIS.
IT DOESN'T, IT HAS NO EFFECT ON THIS.
IT HAS NO EFFECT ON THIS WHATSOEVER.
'CAUSE IT WAS NEVER FULLY INACCURATE.
I'D LIKE TO, I'M GOING TO STOP YOU THERE.
LET'S NOT DEAL WITH WHETHER IT'S IN EFFECT OR NOT.
IF IT WERE IN EFFECT, WOULD IT HAVE ANY BECAUSE NOTHING HAS EVER BEEN DONE WITH IT.
UM, IT, IT, IT DOES NOT EXIST ON ANY OF OUR FILES.
IT IS NOT, IT WAS NEVER RECORDED.
IT WAS NOT A RECORDED DOCUMENT.
THE PDD UM, AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALL HAVE BEEN.
SO LEMME GO BACK TO MY QUESTION.
AND MY QUESTION IS, IF IT WERE IN EFFECT, WOULD IT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THIS? UH, THAT I KNOW OF.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW OF ANY STANDARDS THAT IT HAD.
ALRIGHT, WELL LET, LET, LET'S PUT THAT ASIDE FOR A MOMENT.
THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE, THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
I, I DO APOLOGIZE FOR MY CONFUSION ON THOSE TWO POINTS BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OF PD PDP.
I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT I'M WONDERING WHAT THE IMPACT IS.
SOMETIMES I WONDER IN THESE, UM, PLANS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF BOILERPLATE LANGUAGE THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE A PARTICULAR MEANING ON THIS PROJECT, BUT THEY RAISE QUESTIONS.
LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A PLACE IN HERE WHERE, UM, WHERE IT INDICATES THAT ANY ADDITIONAL ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT, UM, THE DEVELOPER OR THE EQUITABLE OWNER PUTS TOGETHER THAT'S ADJACENT TO THIS, THAT THE CITY WOULD, UM, THEREFORE CONSIDER ANNEXING OR APPROVING IT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
IS THERE SUCH A PLAN? THERE'S NO PLAN FOR THAT.
AND IF, IF ADDITIONAL ACREAGE ADJACENT TO IT WERE TO BE CONTEMPLATED TO BE ADDED, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO BE ADOPTED BY THE CITY.
SO IT WOULDN'T GET A FREE PASS IN 'CAUSE OF THIS.
IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS SAME PROCESS.
SO, SO THE REASON THAT THAT'S IN THERE IS THAT, IS IT, IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT, IT'S JUST A GENERAL CONDITION THAT PEOPLE MIGHT PUT IN A PLAN.
THAT I KNOW THAT'S OFTEN THE CASE.
UM, AS FOR THAT PURPOSE, TO YOUR POINT, MAKE IT CLEAR LIKE YOU MAKE, MODIFY THE BOUNDARY OF A PDD TO MAKE CLEAR THAT IF YOU MODIFY THE BOUNDARY OF A PDD OR THE I OR THE MASTER PLAN, THOSE NEED TO COME THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN.
AS IS, AS APPEARS TO ME TO ALWAYS BE THE CASE.
BUT LET'S SAY OFTEN IS THE CASE, THERE'S A DELINEATION HERE IN THE, UH, AGREEMENT THAT INDICATES THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS A CONTROLLING DOCUMENT.
IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT'S A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN OUR ZONING CODE AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS THE CONTROLLING DOCUMENT.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WE'VE NEVER SEEN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S IN THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UH, IS THERE ANY, CAN YOU ASSURE US AS TO WHAT IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT CHANGES THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY THAT WE'RE UNAWARE OF? OH NO.
THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNSEL WILL ADDRESS AND COUNSEL WILL NOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN EITHER.
AND OUR NEITHER WILL OUR ATTORNEYS.
I CAN, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT'S, THERE'S NOTHING, THE PDDS AN ATTACHMENT TO THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
BUT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO, TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE CONTROLLING DOCUMENT BEING IN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE'VE NEVER SEEN.
THAT'S WELL BEYOND OUR CONTROL.
THE, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHAT'S NEGOTIATED, IT WILL INCORPORATE THIS, THIS PLAN, THE, THESE, UH, ZONING USES.
IT WILL JUST INCORPORATE WHAT'S AGREED UPON.
THERE'LL BE NO, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THERE'LL BE NO DIFFERENCES IN ANY NO CONDITION OR, OR NO, SIR.
IT ADOPTS WHAT WE DO IN THIS ROOM AND THROUGH PLANNING WITH STAFF.
UM, AND A FEESS, THAT'S THE PART OF THE AGREEMENTS WITH THESE.
I I I, I WANTED TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE SO GROSSLY UNDERSTANDING TO SAY I'M NOT
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AN EXPERT IN THIS.I, I KNOW REALLY NOTHING ABOUT THIS, BUT I, I'M INTERESTED IN, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE DRAIN FIELD FROM THE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
CAN YOU SHOW ME ON MAP EXACTLY WHERE THE DRAIN FIELD WOULD BE RIGHT NOW? CONCEPTUALLY WE HAVE IT LOCATED ON THIS AREA.
AND THAT'S ENOUGH SPACE TO HAVE THE FIELD PLUS THE BACKUP OF FIELD BECAUSE THEY, SO, SO THAT YELLOW BUILDING, UH, HOW CLOSE IS THAT TO THE DRAIN FIELD? PROBABLY ABOUT 30, 40 FEET.
'CAUSE YOU TRY TO LOCATE IT CLOSER TO THE STRUCTURES THEY'LL BE SERVING.
SO YOU, WHAT YOU TRY TO MAKE SURE OF IS THAT YOU KEEP IT AWAY FROM POND AND THERE'S STATE REQUIREMENTS YOU GOTTA MEET BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THE FIELD BE LEECHING INTO THE STORM WATER.
I'M, I'M ALL, I ALSO UNDERSTAND, AND I'M NOT BASING THIS ON COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OR ANYTHING, BUT, BUT I, I KNOW THAT WHEN WE DO THAT IN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS THAT, UM, SEPTIC SYSTEMS WITH DRAIN FIELDS DO NOT, UH, GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, LAST AS LONG THE PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE OF IS NOT QUITE AS LONG AS IT WOULD BE OR IS NOT NEARLY AS LONG AS IT WOULD BE FOR A SYSTEM.
YOU KNOW, THE REGULAR SOAR SET, UH, SOAR SYSTEM.
UM, WHO, WHO WOULD BE, WHEN, WHEN YOUR PROJECT'S DONE, WHO IS MAINTAINING AND EXACTLY WHAT HAS TO BE DONE.
WHAT I CAN SPEAK TO THAT IS LIKE, AS FAR AS THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, YOU'RE CORRECT.
THIS, THIS THING HAVE LIFE, UH, THEY WILL LAST 10 OR 20 YEARS DEPENDING ON THE SYSTEM YOU DESIGN.
RIGHT? THAT'S THEREFORE YOU'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ALSO A SPACE FOR WHEN THAT FILL ALSO EXPIRES IS USED, YOU CAN THEN INCREASE AND PUT A BRAND NEW ONE NEXT TO IT.
AND, AND WHERE WOULD THAT BE? IN THE SAME, IN THE SAME FOOTPRINT THAT'S FOOTPRINT ABOUT THAT WE CONSIDER THE CURRENT DRAIN FILL YOU NEED TO OPERATE.
AND THEN IN THE FUTURE WHEN THAT DRAINFUL SURFACE LIFE EXPECTANCY, YOU CAN THEN INSTALL ANOTHER ONE.
NOW I'M ASSUMING THE OPERATOR, THE OWNER WILL MAINTAIN A CONTRACT WITH A PROPER PROFESSIONAL TO KEEP MAINTAINING THAT SYSTEM IN A, IN A PROPER SHAPE.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE CURRENT OWNER, THE DEVELOPER, WHOEVER ULTIMATE SPIEL IS ON, ON A GO FORWARD BASIS, THE ULTIMATE END OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY WOULD CO WOULD AGREE WITH THE CITY TO MAINTAIN IT SUBJECT TO THE CITY, CITY STANDARDS THROUGH THE DEVELOP DES THROUGH DES.
I APOLOGIZE THROUGH, IT'S NOT THE CITY FORMER DHC NOW DES, THEY WOULD, UM, COVENANT TO AGREE TO MAINTAIN THOSE TO THIS, THE REQUIRED STANDARDS.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHETHER THEY INTEND TO SELL THESE TWO BUILDINGS SEPARATELY.
BUT IF, IF THEY DID, THERE WOULD BE A, A SET OF COVENANTS FOR THAT PARCEL THAT SAYS BOTH OWNERS WOULD CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN SUBJECT TO THE DES STANDARDS.
WHAT IS THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE DRAIN FIELD? I THINK IT'S DOWN HERE.
AND CAN YOU GIMME AN ESTIMATE AS TO HOW FAR THAT IS FROM THE DRAIN FIELD? AT LEAST A HUNDRED FOOT PLUS.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE 50 FOOT BUFFER AND THEN PROBABLY ABOUT ANOTHER 50 FOOT THERE.
SO AT LEAST YOU'RE PROBABLY OVER 150 FOOT AWAY FROM THE RESIDENCE IF, 'CAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT THAT CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY.
WE ARE ACTUALLY THE CLOSEST RESIDENT.
WE HAVE THE CLOSEST RESIDENT PRESENT.
AND HOW, HOW FAR WOULD YOU SAY YOUR HOME IS SHE NEEDS? SHE'S JUST, WOULD YOU MIND COMING AND SAYING YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE? MY NAME'S HOLLY ROBERTS AND WE ARE AT 1 45 HONEYSUCKER ROAD.
AND UH, MY SON HAS 1 29 HONEYSUCKER ROAD, WHICH IS JUST ADJACENT TO OURS.
WE ARE, UM, MAYBE 500 FEET OR SO FROM HONEY FROM FREEDOM PARKWAY.
OUR PROPERTY IS, IS THE CLOSEST, WOULD BE THE CLOSEST TO THIS IS YOURS RIGHT HERE.
THIS, THIS IS YOUR PROPERTY? NO, NO SIR.
AND THAT'S THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE DRAINFIELD? TO THE PROPOSED DRAINFIELD.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ON THE, BRANDON CAN WE GO, WENT BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE ON THIS.
THIS IS NOT A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
I THINK, I BELIEVE IT'S JUST WOODED RIGHT NOW.
THE CLOSEST ONE ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD IS RIGHT ABOUT HERE.
I MEAN KATIE, YOU GO I'M KIND OF FROZEN.
UH, IT IS CHANGING THE NU OH, THERE, THERE YOU GO.
DID WE GO
UM, ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO 15 ACRES.
IS THIS ONE WORKING? LEMME SEE IF THIS ONE SLIP.
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THANK YOU.MY, MY CONCERN IS, OKAY, RIGHT NOW THAT PROPERTY YOU SAY IS, IS, IS NOT THE VALVE IS WOODED.
BUT BUT MY QUESTION IS, IT IS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT COULD BE OCCUPIED.
SOMEONE COULD BUILD A HOUSE THERE.
AND WHEN, WHEN THEY DO, WE WILL HAVE A BUFFER IN PLACE THAT'S REQUIRED THROUGH THE CITY AND THEY WILL ALSO HAVE SETBACKS FOR THEIR PROPERTY.
SO WE WON'T BE RIGHT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, BUT YOU'RE AT LEAST A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
FROM ROUGHLY THE EDGE, WHAT CONCEPTUALLY PROPOSED THE EDGE OF THE BANK? KATIE, CAN YOU GO TO GOOGLE AT ALL? WE CAN'T DO ANY NOW IT'S THE INTERNET.
WE CAN SMALL VERSION OF THIS MAP RIGHT NOW.
I JUST CAN'T ZOOM IN OR WE WILL GO AWAY.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE NEW SYSTEM AND IT'S STILL BEING WORKED ON.
AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS THE SYSTEM, AS FAR AS THE SYSTEM GOES.
I, I'VE BEEN ON THE S SUBJECT FOR 30 YEARS.
THE 99% OF WHATEVER GOES INTO A SEPTIC SYSTEM IS CAPTURED IN THE CONCRETE BOX.
YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING GOING TO THE DRAIN FIELD.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA BE LEACHING OUT WOULD BE THE WATER.
UM, THE, AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE, YOU'LL KNOW WHEN IT'S TIME TO MAINTAIN IT 'CAUSE YOUR TOILET WON'T FLUSH.
UM, AND YOU'LL GET PUMPED OUT.
SO THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A STANDARD FOR THAT.
YOU CAN PROBABLY FIGURE OUT VARIABLES.
UM, BUT A LEACH FIELD IS NOT NEAR, IS NOT AS DANGEROUS AS I, IN MY OPINION, WHAT PEOPLE BRING OUT TO BE.
UM, I'M KIND OF FOND OF IT, I THINK.
BUT, SO JUST MY OPINION, I WOULD NOT BE SCARED OF A SEP TANK BEING BESIDE ME.
'CAUSE I HAVE 1 10, 10 FOOT FROM MY HOUSE AND, AND I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS.
AND UH, YEAH, YOU HAVE A LITTLE MAINTENANCE, BUT IT IS VERY MINIMAL.
UM, EVEN WHEN I MOVED FROM MY MOBILE HOME TO MY HOME, WE COULD HAVE IT UPDATED IN THE DRAIN FIELD PLEASE.
PLUS I I'M GONNA ASK THE ENGINEER A QUESTION ON THIS ALSO.
NO, WE CAN, UM, FOUR OF THESE FLEX SPACE USES IT PROBABLY IS LESS USED FOR A, A SEPTIC THAN A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME WOULD BE.
WHAT QUESTIONS JEFF? YEAH, THE, THE, THE STANDARD THAT'S USED HERE, IT SAYS, WELL, LEMME SAY ONE MORE THING ABOUT THAT.
THE, UH, WATER IS, I, I NOTICED IN THAT I, I JUST WENT TO LOOK AT THE, UH, THE BJ SWA, YOU KNOW, AUTHORIZATION LETTER, WHATEVER, WHATEVER GONNA CALL THAT AVAILABILITY LETTER.
AND UM, I NOTE THAT THE ONE THAT'S INCLUDED HERE IS DATED IN 2023.
AND THE LETTER ITSELF PRESENTS A CONDITION, WHICH IS THAT IF THE CONSTRUCTION DOESN'T START WITHIN 12 MONTHS, THE LETTER'S NO LONGER IN EFFECT.
SO THIS LETTER IS NO LONGER WE CAN GET IT UPDATED.
I'M SURE YOU CAN TELL WE HAVE A 36 INCH WATER MAIN.
SO, AND THERE IS NO SHOWING WATER.
AND OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
BUT NO, YOU HAVE TO GET, SO IN ORDER TO GET SEPTICS IN THEIR REGION, YOU HAVE TO GET A DENIAL OF SERVICE FOR SURE.
SO WE HAD, THEY GAVE US THAT LETTER IN ORDER FOR US.
AND THAT'S IN, THAT'S IN THE LETTER.
UH, BUT I I MERELY MENTIONING IT BEFORE YOU GET IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL, I THINK YOU SHOULD REALLY UPDATE YOUR LETTER.
SO THERE'S AN EFFECTIVE LETTER.
YEAH, WE WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT.
I I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, MENTION THAT, UM, YOUR PARKING AT SOME POINT AT THE, YOU HAVE A, A PARKING STANDARD THAT'S UH, UH, BASED ON PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF SPACE IN THIS, THESE FLEX BUILDINGS.
WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE THE SAME IF, IF INSTEAD OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, IT WAS, UH, COMMERCIAL? UH, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE ESTABLISHED FOR, GIMME A SECOND ON, DEPENDING ON, ON THE PDDS.
I DON'T THINK THEY, THEY, IT CHANGES THIS BIG DISTINCTION IN THE PD ABOUT BEING COMMERCIAL, NOT JUST PER SQUARE FOOT, FOOT OFF, BUT YOU SPECIFIC USE BUILDING.
IT WOULD BE SIMILAR, BUT YEAH, WE WOULD DO IT BASED ON THE SPECIFIC USE.
UM, THE MZ, LIKE THE MZDO SAYS IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN TYPE OF IT DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL EVEN, SO, YEAH.
WELL THE REASON I MENTION THAT IS 'CAUSE BECAUSE ONE OF THE USES THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT WAS A CONVENIENCE STORE MM-HMM
WHICH I THINK WOULD BE A DIFFERENT STANDARD.
AND THEN WHAT YOU JUST SAID THERE, I WANT TO GO BACK TO FOR A SECOND.
YOU SAID IT COULD BE CHANGED BY THE PDD? NO, THE PDD ESTABLISHES SOME OF THEM.
AND NOW IS DEPENDING HOW IT WORKS, DOES IT, DOES IT ESTABLISH A, IS IT GOING TO ESTABLISH A DIFFERENT STANDARD THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY? THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THE, UM,
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INITIAL MASTER PLAN AND THE PDD.THE PDD ALLOWS MORE USES, THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN BRINGS IT IN SPECIFICALLY.
SO IF THEY CHANGED IT FROM WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING HERE, THEY WOULD'VE TO COME BACK IN FOR A NEW INITIAL MASTER PLAN.
THAT'S THE SECOND ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA.
WELL, IF, IF THE PDD SAYS THAT THE, THAT THE PARKING STANDARD IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS IN THE ZONING OR WHATEVER THE PDD WOULD BE, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WOULD BE THE ONE THAT CONTROLS PDD, PD D WOULD ON THAT ONE.
SO I MEAN, IS IT, WE, WE JUST SAID THAT THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN.
THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WOULDN'T CHANGE IN THERE.
THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CAN'T CHANGE PARKING STANDARDS, CORRECT? WELL, IT CANNOT CHANGE THE PARKING STANDARDS.
WHEN WE MENTIONED A CONVENIENCE STORE, WE DON'T MEAN A GAS STATION.
WE MEAN MORE OF THE TYPE THAT YOU SEE THAT SELLS, YOU KNOW, SMALL CAM GOODS AND, AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, BUT NOT A GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE.
WELL, ONE OF THE LISTED USES THAT, UH, I GUESS AS CURRENT THERE INCLUDES, UM, OPERATIONS, THEY HAVE, UM, FLAMMABLE GASES AND SO ON.
SORRY, CAN YOU, WHAT? UM, I'M, I'M TRYING TO LOOK FOR THAT.
UM, PERMITTED USES INCLUDE STORAGE OF FLAMMABLE LIQUIDS, GASES, CHEMICALS AS THEIR PRIMARY USE.
WELL, AND THAT, I WOULDN'T SAY AS, AS PRIMARY USE, WE MAY NEED TO AMEND THAT, BUT THAT IS INTENDED SO THAT THESE FLEX OFFICES CAN MAYBE BE A, A PLUMBER OR MECHANIC'S LOCATION AND THEY WILL HAVE FLAMMABLE THINGS ON SITE.
SO IT'S TO NOT PROHIBIT, UM, SOMEONE WHO SAY ONE OF THE, THE FOLKS THAT LIVES ON THAT ROAD, THEY, THEY DO HAVE EMPLOYEES COMING IN AND OUT OF THEIR RESIDENCES NOW SERVICING A BUSINESS.
MAYBE THEY WANNA MOVE UP INTO ONE OF THESE OFFICES AND THEY MAY NEED TO DO A LITTLE WELDING OR, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THE OIL IN A CAR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE, WE DON'T WANNA PROHIBIT ANY FLAMMABLE, UM, THINGS, BUT WE'RE NOT STORING GASES SERVICING A GAS STATION, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
WELL, THE WAY I INTERPRETED THE LANGUAGE, BECAUSE IT SAYS PERMITTED USE INCLUDE STORAGE OF FLAMMABLE LIQUIDS, GASES, CHEMICALS AS PRIMARY USE.
I ASSUME THAT THAT MEANT THAT THE STORAGE WAS THE PRIMARY USE.
I THINK THEY'RE AGREEING TO REMOVE THE PRIMARY USE LANGUAGE FROM THERE.
SO YOU CAN PUT THAT AS A CONDITION.
WELL THAT, YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I THINK WOULD BE IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF THE, IT REALLY STANDS OUT, UM, WE, WE WILL REMOVE THAT.
BUT I DO AGREE THAT OXYGEN AND CE IN A VERY SMALL AMOUNT, UM, STILL, I THINK THEY'RE JUST COVERING THAT IF YOU, IF YOU, I DON'T THINK IT'S A RETAILER FOR S IT'S NOT AN AIR GAS.
IT'S JUST, UH, I MEAN I'VE GOT YEAH, MORE TO, SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, INTERRUPT YOU.
EVEN IF IT WAS A, A LANDSCAPING BUSINESS AND THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, EQUIPMENT THERE THAT THEY STORED AND IF THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, GAS, SMALL GAS TANKS TO TAKE WITH THEM ON A TRAILER WHEN THEY GO OUT EVERY SINGLE DAY, IT'S TO COVER THOSE KINDS OF ANCILLARY USES.
IT WON'T BE A PRIMARY USE OF STORAGE OF FLAMMABLE LIQUIDS.
AND THE, THE, UM, EQUESTRIAN FACILITY THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW MM-HMM
UH, THAT OPERATES, THAT'S A PUBLIC, IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE THAT, YOU KNOW, WANTS TO BOARD THE HORSE THERE CAN BOARD THE HORSE THERE OR TAKE LESSONS THERE.
WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT FACILITY? IT'S CALLED BERO STABLES.
AND, UH, I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, I GUESS IS FOR THE, IS DEALS WITH THE FRONT PARCEL, BUT BUT THE, THE TRANSIT TO THE BACK PARCEL WILL BE THROUGH THE FRONT PARCEL.
I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED WITH THE NUMBER OF, UM, BUSY HOUR EXITS AND ENTRANCES.
I MEAN, IT SEEMED LIKE TO ME ELECTRIC, EVEN BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW ABOUT THE ELECTRICIAN AND THE, YOU KNOW, A FEW RESIDENCES AND THE, IT'S, IT'S A VERY LOW TRAFFIC AREA.
UM, AND THE EQUESTRIAN FACILITY, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GIVE LESSONS AT CERTAIN TIMES DURING THE DAY.
THAT'S NOT ALWAYS GONNA CORRELATE TO AM PEAK HOUR OR PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS.
UM, LIKE WITH PEOPLE GOING TO WORK.
SO THEY, YOU KNOW, EMPLOY, UM, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT, THAT HELP OUT.
BUT GENERALLY IT'S NOT A HUGE TRIP GENERATOR TO THE EQUESTRIAN FACILITY.
AND THEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER RESIDENCES THAT LIVE ON THE ROAD IS JUST THEIR DAILY TRIPS IN AND OUT.
AND THE FREE PAVING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT OCCURRED ON FREEDOM PARKWAY, UH, WHO, WHO, WHOSE ROAD IS THAT? A COUNTY ROAD.
I WAS GONNA SAY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, BUT WAS, WAS THAT REPAVING AS UH, IN EXPECTATION OF THIS PROJECT OR WAS IT NO, NO.
THIS I THINK HAD BEEN LED IN 2022 AS PART
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OF IMPROVEMENTS DONE BY DOT.JUST BEEN TAKING A WHILE FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO ACTUALLY GO WORK MM-HMM
AND REGARDING THE TRAFFIC PROPOSED AND EXPECTED FOR THESE BUILDINGS, THESE ARE NOT HIGH TRAFFIC, HEAVILY FORWARD FACING SPACES.
THESE ARE INTENDED TO BE OFFICE SPACES THAT A FEW PEOPLE SHOW UP AND WORK THERE AND, AND THEY HAVE MATERIALS STORED THERE.
MAYBE A REALTOR'S OFFICE, BUT THESE ARE NOT VERY HIGH TRAFFIC USES.
CAN, CAN I INTERJECT FOR A SECOND? SURE.
I'M, I'M, AS USUAL, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED, BUT I, I JUST WANNA TRY TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PDD.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GETTING INTO, I MEAN THE QUE I THINK THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE APPROVING THE PDD TO COMBINE THE TWO TOGETHER BASED UPON, WELL WE, SO YOU WOULD NEED A PDD IN ORDER TO ADOPT AN IMP.
SO THE IMP IS THE SECOND THING ON THE AGENDA.
SO YOU CAN TALK ABOUT WELL, WE PRESENT BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, BUT YEAH, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT INITIAL MASTER PLAN, THEY NEED THE, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PDD TO APPROVE THE PD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BOTH REALLY? YEAH, BOTH.
'CAUSE I'M, WE DIDN'T REALLY ADDRESS IT AS TWO SEPARATE ONES, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ON THE AGENDA IS TWO SEPARATE THINGS.
I SHOULD HAVE WHEN I THAT'S OKAY.
WHEN I OPENED IT UP, I SHOULD HAVE SAID CONSIDERATION FOR THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN ALSO, BUT YEAH, IT'S BOTH.
SO MIKE, I'VE BEEN DOWN 17 AND WE HAVE A LOT OF WAREHOUSES RIGHT NOW AND A LOT OF VACANCIES.
UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE NEED MORE VACANT WAREHOUSES OR MORE FLEX SPACE IS VACANT, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT MY CALL.
UM, THE 10 ACRES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE, THE, UH, PDD, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE ADJACENT.
I MEAN, THIS CASE WE'RE KIND OF DRAWING A LINE BETWEEN THE TWO AND SAYING PART A, PART B THAT'S STANDARD.
THIS, THIS REALLY GET, KINDA GETS INTO TECHNICAL ON THIS ONE.
THE, UM, HONEYSUCKER ROAD IS ACTUALLY IS A PARCEL.
IT'S, IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, SO THAT CONNECTS IT, IT IS PART OF THAT'S, IT'S A PARCEL, NOT NECESSARILY JUST A RIGHT OF WAY.
I WASN'T SURE IF THAT WAS STANDARD, UH, PROCEED.
THAT IS, THAT IS ACCEPTABLE AS LONG AS IT'S CONSIDERED A PARCEL AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS THERE IN THE MEETINGS.
THAT, AND, AND I APOLOGIZE, I WASN'T ON A PLANNING BOARD FOUR MONTHS AGO.
SO WHEN YOU HAD MEETINGS IN JULY, JUNE, I WASN'T PART OF THAT.
WHAT OTHER USES WERE DISCUSSED AS LESS IMPACTFUL TO THE LOCAL HOUSING? ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS THAT WERE MADE? OTHER THAN A WAREHOUSE? YES.
AND TO, TO GO BACK TO ONE OF THE COMMENTS YOU MADE IN TERMS OF, OF WAREHOUSES.
SO I THINK IT'S THE REASON WHY THE TERM LIMITED INDUSTRIAL KEEPS COMING UP IS BECAUSE IT'S A USE CATEGORY.
UM, THAT WE HAVE COPY AND PASTED FROM THE SAVANNAH TRACK, PDD AND WHAT THE MZDO HAS IN TERMS OF, OF USES.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE WANTED TO BREAK THAT OUT.
WE DON'T THINK OF IT AS INDUSTRIAL.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A WAREHOUSE LIKE YOU HAVE CLAUS.
AND SO ALL THE OPEN WAREHOUSE SPACE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE A, A SIMILAR PRODUCT.
THE LIMITED INDUSTRIAL MONIKER OR CATEGORY ALLOWS OFFICE SPACE, WHEREAS GENERAL COMMERCIAL DOES NOT ALLOW OFFICE SPACE AT ALL.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT USE CATEGORY IN THERE TO PROVIDE OFFICE SPACE, UM, AS WELL AS STUFF FOR LIKE AN ELECTRICIAN'S OFFICE, YOU KNOW, HVAC COMPANY, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION IN, IN TERMS OF, OF USES THE SAVANNA, TRACTED HAS AND, AND MAYBE STAFF CAN SPEAK TO THIS MORE AS FAR AS I WAS GONNA SAY YEAH, IN THE MZDO WE CAN ALLOW OFFICE USE IN GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
SO WE COULD ACTUALLY, THAT COULD BE A THING THAT WE COULD, THAT COULD CHANGE, COULD CHANGE IN THE PD DD.
AND WE WOULDN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE OPEN TO HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS AS LONG AS WE BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE, THE USES FOR A MIX OF TENANTS AND VARIETY OF TENANTS THAT ARE THERE.
THE SAVANNAH TRACK, PDD, UM, AS FAR AS THE LIST OF USES, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, A FULL RUN OF THE GAMUT IN, IN TERMS OF WHAT'S ALLOWED FOR MORE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL THAT YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, HEAVY MANUFACTURING, HEAVY WAREHOUSING, THAT SORT OF THING.
WE WANTED TO WHITTLE AWAY THOSE USES 'CAUSE WE AGREED THE LOCATION'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR BIG INTENSE USES LIKE THAT.
BUT ANY, IF, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FLEX SPACE, ANY APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BEFORE THEY WOULD, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN'T PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT WASN'T APPROVED FOR USE.
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AS LONG AS THE USE FITS THAT USE CATEGORY, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR STAFF, BUT WE WOULD REQUIRE FOR EVERY TENANT, UM, FROM DAY ONE, OR IF FIVE YEARS LATER A TENANT CHANGES OVER, THEY HAVE TO GET A ZONING PERMIT FROM STAFF.SO DON'T HAVE TO BE PRE-APPROVED.
MY PIGGYBACKING OFF OF WHAT I SAID EARLIER, UM, IF YOU ZOOM OUT AND YOU LOOK AT THIS AREA, A LOT OF HOUSES ZOOM IN ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND RIGHT AMONGST ALL OF THOSE HOUSES, WE'RE WANTING TO DO, AS YOU SAID, WAREHOUSES, BUT NOT WITH THE CONCRETE FACADE THAT THE BIGGER ONES HAVE.
BUT THEN IF YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT, JUST CROSS THE ROAD OFF OF, UH, SHADY OAK, THERE'S A VACANT SPOT THERE.
WHY THEN, THEN MAYBE SOMEBODY SAYS, WELL WE GOT THIS ONE, LET'S DO THE SAME THING OVER HERE.
AND NOW, NOW WE'RE REALLY MIXING THINGS UP AND SO WE REALLY NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
UM, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS STARTING TO AFFECT EVERYTHING IN LEVY.
THIS SEEMS TO BE, IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE WAREHOUSES AND, AND MANUFACTURING FACILITIES ON TOP OF EVERYBODY.
UM, AND THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN.
SO IF IT, IF IT, IF, IF I SOUND UH, CONCERNED, IT'S BECAUSE I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
THERE, THERE'S A PLACE FOR WALMART, THERE'S A PLACE FOR HOMES, BUT AMONGST EACH OTHER IT'S JUST NOT.
AND, AND IT IS JUST GONNA GET WORSE.
THIS MIGHT BE THE BEGINNING AND THIS MIGHT BE THE FIRST ONE, UM, BUT IT WON'T BE THE LAST.
UM, SO LET'S JUST, THAT, THAT'S WHY I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESIDENCES.
UM, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BE HERE FOR ANYBODY TO KNOW.
IF THEY WERE WANTING TO PUT A MANUFACTURING FACILITY 20 FOOT OR 50 FOOT FROM YOUR HOME, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD GET AROUND THE FACT WE'RE LIKING IT.
SO WE NEED TO DO OUR JOB AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING EVERY OR LOOKING AT THE WHOLE PICTURE.
ANY MORE COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS BEFORE I MAKE MY COMMENTS? OKAY.
A LOT OF WHAT'S BEEN SAID HERE, I AGREE WITH, UM, TO ME THIS IS NOT A GOOD FIT IN A RURAL RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THERE ARE FLEX BUILDINGS IN VILLE THAT SIT VACANT.
WHY DO WE NEED MORE? UM, DO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC BUSINESSES THAT HAVE ALREADY COMMITTED? WE, WE HAVEN'T BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN APPROVAL FOR THIS TO HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED TO SUPPORT THE USE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
HOWEVER, WE CAN'T MEET THE MASTER PLAN REQUIREMENTS 'CAUSE OF THE ACREAGE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT IT'S ALREADY ZONED FOR THIS.
SO AS FAR AS A ROLLOUT OF THIS HAPPENING, MORE AND MORE, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT HAPPENING.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE FUTURE, BUT IT'S ZONED FOR THIS HAPPEN.
BUT WHAT, WHAT YOU FOLKS HAVE THROWN, WHAT YOU FOLKS HAVE THROWN OUT HERE TODAY FOR USES IS WELL OFFICE SPACE AND, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE.
LET ME GET BACK TO CONVENIENCE STORE.
WE DO HAVE A GREAT INTEREST IN THESE, IN THESE SPACES.
I'VE SPOKEN WITH, UM, BLUFFTON SELF-HELP, WHO'S RECENTLY BEEN LOOKING FOR SPACE IN THIS AREA AND HAS HAD TROUBLE FINDING IT.
I THINK THAT THEY'RE CLOSE TO FINDING A FINAL PLACE FOR THAT, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING, UM, ANOTHER THAT'S, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO DO SIMILAR TO THE AGAPE CENTER.
UM, SO THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE STRUGGLING.
I KNOW EVEN THE CITY OF VILLE HAS STRUGGLED TO FIND A LOCATION RECENTLY.
SO I DO THINK THERE IS A NEED FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL HUGE WAREHOUSE AND NOT AN OFFICE PARK TO SPEAK.
MR. ETT, MAY I ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? UM, IN, IN OUR JOINT MEETING WITH, WITH JASPER COUNTY, WE TALKED THAT THEY SPOKE OF, THEY'RE GETTING READY TO DO A, A PLAN IN THE LEVY AREA TO TRY TO HELP OUT, TO BALANCE SOME OF THIS BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME, AND THEIR, IN THEIR PREVIOUS, NOT RECENTLY, BUT IN THEIR PREVIOUS RURAL COMMERCIAL, OR EXCUSE ME, RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND RURAL ZONES, IT DID ALLOW FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER MORE INDUSTRIAL.
UM, I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE, UM, TO THE APPLICANTS AND TO PLANNING COMMISSION THAT MAYBE WE TAKE, UH, A FEW WEEKS AND WE SIT DOWN AND TRY TO REFINE THE, UM, INSTEAD OF CALLING IT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, INSTEAD OF CALLING IT FLEX SPACE, WHATEVER.
LET'S REFINE IT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I DO, I THINK SOMEONE MENTIONED TO ME THE OTHER DAY WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, WHAT ABOUT SOME OF THESE CORPORATE OFFICES? WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF THESE BUSINESSES MOVING IN.
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USES THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.MAYBE WE NEED TO REFINE IT A LITTLE BIT AND BRING IT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION WITH, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, REFINEMENT.
YES, THE SAVANNAH HARDY BELT TRACK OR HARDY SAVANNAH, WHICHEVER WAY USE THAT, UM, DID ALLOW FOR THESE USES.
BUT IT WAS A VERY LARGE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT RE THAT WENT ALL THE WAY UP TO ALMOST THREE 15 TO, UM, FREEDOM PARKWAY AND ALL OVER AND HAD C CLAUS AND A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OTHER USES OF PROPERTIES IN IT.
SO THAT WOULD BE A PROPOSAL I WOULD LIKE TO SAY.
LET'S GIVE IT ONE MORE TRANCE BEFORE WE GET STUCK ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT, UM, WE'RE BOTH SAYING THE SAME THING.
MAYBE THAT, THAT DEFINITELY IS MUSIC TO MY EARS.
IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO BE ON THIS BOARD AND MAKE DECISIONS THIS FAST.
IT WOULD BE A HUGE BENEFIT FOR YOU GUYS TO GIVE US REASONS TO CONVINCE US.
BECAUSE ONE THING I'M NOT, I I BELIEVE IN GROWTH AND I BELIEVE YOU GET TO DO WITH WHAT YOU WANT WITH THE PROPERTY, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS MUSIC MY EARS.
IF, IF WE COULD TAKE TWO WEEKS AND, AND, UH, UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO BUILD, BECAUSE THE FIRST THING I HEAR IS WAREHOUSES AND WE'RE DUMPING ANOTHER WAREHOUSE ON DUMP ON TOP OF PEOPLE'S HOUSE IN LEVY, THAT'S NOT MUSIC TO MY EARS.
AND, AND, AND, AND I MIGHT BE INEFFECTIVE AT KILLING, IF NOT, IF WE CAN KILL A PROJECT HERE, IF I WAS KING FOR A DAY, I, I'D BE KILLING PROJECTS IF THAT'S ALL WE WERE DOING.
UM, SO YES, I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL.
I'M IS THAT I'M NOT, I'M NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT BELIEVE ME.
UM, BECAUSE WHEN I MOVED DOWN HERE 14 YEARS AGO, VILLE WAS SMALL POPULATION WISE AND BUSINESS WISE, WE'VE GROWN, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE GROWN PROPERLY.
WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF, AND, AND, AND I USE WAREHOUSES AS AN EXAMPLE, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF, A LOT OF WAREHOUSES GO UP.
WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF HOUSES BEING BUILT IN GATED COMMUNITIES OFF 2 78.
I DON'T SEE THE TYPE OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE HEIDI GO.
I'D LIKE TO SEE RESTAURANTS, SHOPS DOWNTOWN.
I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD FIT AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME.
IF YOU WERE TO DO THIS, IF WE WERE TO DO THIS, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE RIGHT TIME.
I'M NOT AGAINST THE PROJECT PER SE.
AND I THINK, UM, I, I, I THINK, UH, TO ECHO WHAT, WHAT BRIANNA HAS SAID, I THINK WE NEED MORE TIME.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE COUNTY IS PROPOSING FOR THE REST OF THE LEVI COMMUNITY.
UM, I KNOW THAT MIGHT NOT BE AVAILABLE.
IT'S NOT IN OUR TIME TABLE, RIGHT.
UM, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THE DEVELOPER OR THE, OR THE OWNER.
UM, I, I JUST THINK IT'S THE WRONG, WRONG TIME AND THE WRONG FIT RIGHT NOW.
ANYONE ELSE THINK IT IS CONSTRUCTIVE FOR US? UM, IF WE'RE WORKING WITH STAFF, IS THERE ANYTHING IN TERMS OF LAYOUT OR THE BUILDINGS? LET ME, CAN WE GO TO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE OR IF WE CAN GET TO IT? IF NOT, NO BIG DEAL.
I JUST DON'T WANT US TO TAKE THE TIME GOING THROUGH THE USE LIST AND THEN COME BACK AND NOW IT'S FIVE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS MEETING.
I'D LIKE TO USE OUR TIME AS EFFECTIVELY AS POSSIBLE AND BE AWARE OF ANY OTHER CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE.
SO THIS VIEW RIGHT HERE, THIS IS SHOWING LOOKING FROM FREEDOM PARKWAY, UM, DIRECTLY ONTO THE SITE.
SO IN BETWEEN THE ROAD, YOU'VE GOT A, A STORMWATER BASIN, YOU'VE GOT A VEGETATED SHOULDER, YOU'VE GOT LANDSCAPE IN FRONT OF IT.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE KEEPING THE SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS.
WHAT WE ARE IS WE DON'T WANT THEM TO STICK UP.
WE'D RATHER THEM BLEND IN, UM, THE SURROUNDING AREA.
IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE, THIS IS THEN JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THE WEST LOOKING THE, SO THE, THE FAR RIGHT SIDE IS, THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE, UM, PROPERTY THAT'S FURTHER TO THE WEST.
AND THE ENTRY ROAD WOULD BE ON THE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PICTURE.
AND THE NEXT ONE THAT IS LOOKING AT IT AS YOU'RE, IF YOU'D BE COMING WESTBOUND ON FREEDOM PARKWAY AND MAKING A LEFT ONTO HONEYSUCKER, THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THAT VIEWPOINT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE BUILDING.
UH, WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT.
QUITE A FEW MONTHS AGO WE APPROVED A STORAGE FACILITY AND THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, IS IT GONNA LOOK LIKE
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SUCH AND SUCH? OH NO, IT'S GONNA BE THIS.WELL, IT WAS BUILT AND IT LOOKED NOTHING LIKE WHAT THE RENDERING WE WERE GIVEN.
IT WAS BUILT JUST LIKE THE ONE THAT WE QUESTIONED THAT LOOKED LIKE, PARDON MY EXPRESSION, LOOKED LIKE HOW IT, IT DOESN'T, IT DIDN'T FIT THE COMMUNITY.
IT DIDN'T FIT THE, THE, THE, THE AREA.
IT JUST, IT STICKS UP LIKE A SLIP UP.
YOU GIVE US RENDER RINGS, BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
SO AT THIS STAGE, THEY ARE CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE FULL BLOWN ENGINEERING.
'CAUSE WE'RE ONLY AT THE PDD AND IMP PROCESS.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, ENGAGE WITH THE FULL BLOWN ARCHITECT TO DESIGN THE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DOES DO DEVELOPMENT PLANS COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION? OH, SORRY.
BUT UM, THAT CAN BE, UM, WE DON'T HAVE TYPICAL ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, BUT WITH THIS IMP, YOU CAN REQUEST THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL GIVE THAT INTENT OR THAT, UM, YOU CAN CERTAINLY PUT THAT AS A CONDITION IN YOUR, IN THE IMP LANGUAGE.
WELL, WE'LL, WW WITH, WITH ME, YOU MADE IT LOOK LIKE A HORSE FARM AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS A GOOD THING.
UM, WOULD THE NEW ONE LOOK LIKE THIS? SO THE INTENT WAS, AND, AND I HEARD WHAT THEY JUST SAID, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT IT DID LOOK LIKE THIS, THAT IT DID NOT LOOK LIKE WHAT THE CONCRETE, UH, FACADE THAT, SO THIS IS THE LATEST ONE.
NONE OF THE CONCEPTUAL VERSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD HAVE BEEN A CONCRETE FACADE.
UM, THIS ONE HAS MORE OF A LOW COUNTRY VERNACULAR AND FEEL, HONESTLY.
SO POMINO BLUFF HAS A, A STORAGE FACILITY CALLED CITADEL THAT HAS OFFICES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE MODELED A LOT OF IT OFF OF THAT AS WELL AS RESPECTING THE EQUESTRIAN FACILITY IN THE REAR.
AND WE DIDN'T WANT SUPER HIGH PARAPETS THAT YOU SEE ON OTHER COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T FIT IN THIS AREA.
SO THROUGH OUR TIME REFINING IT, WE'VE GOTTEN BETTER AND BETTER.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT, IT WAS NEVER CONSIDERED TO BE A CONCRETE PERFECTLY RECTANGLE SQUARE BUILDING AT ANY TIME WITH SUPER HIGH
DOES, DOES, UM, DO WE HAVE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS ON BUILDINGS OR THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD SPECIFICALLY PUT THAT IN? YEAH, IT CAN, IT CAN SPECIFICALLY BE PUT IN THE PDD YEP.
UM, I, I'M NOT AGAINST, I'M NOT AGAINST THE PROJECT.
WELL, I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS THAT, I MEAN, I STILL DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
WOULD YOU LIKE A MOTION TO TABLE? BRUCE GONNA GET INTO THAT.
BEFORE WE MOVE THE TABLE, YOUR HONOR, UH, CAN WE GET THE APPLICANT ON THE RECORD HERE, UM, AGREEING TO, TO WITHDRAW THIS SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK AND DO IT AGAIN? I DON'T WANNA GET INTO A DEEMING, NOT WITHDRAWAL.
NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO WITHDRAW.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA WIND UP IN A DEEMING PERIOD AGAIN, AND WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS MAKE A MOTION TO A TABLE, TO A DATE CERTAIN, AND THEN IF IT'S NOT READY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL CONSIDER TABLE IT GOES IF IT BEYOND THE DEEMING PERIOD THOUGH.
I, WE CASE, WE, WE, WE, WE'VE HANDLED THAT WITH, WITH OUR ATTORNEY AND EVERYTHING WHAT WE NEED TO, WHAT IF YOU VOTE AND TAKE ACTION TO TABLE IT TO FOR 60 DAYS OR WHATEVER DATE YOU FEEL IS APPROPRIATE, UM, THAT THAT IS THE WAY TO HANDLE IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
WE DID IT SIMILAR FOR BZA YESTERDAY.
BUT IF, IF, IF WE TABLE, THIS IS QUO KATRINA, WE HAVE TO SET A DATE AND IT HAS TO BE THE NEXT MEETING DATE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE.
AND THAT, AND THAT CA THAT WAS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT CASE BEFORE.
THIS IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING.
UM, AND, AND I PROMISE, IIII WILL CERTAINLY GET YOU A A, AN ANSWER ON THIS, BUT YOU CAN, YOU'RE BY TABLING IT, YOU'RE TAKING ACTION TO TABLE IT TO A CERTAIN DATE TO ALLOW FOR MORE INFORMATION GATHERING AND, AND THAT, WELL, I MEAN, YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
I'M JUST SAYING WW DOES THE, THEN LET ME ASK THE QUESTION.
WOULD THE DEVELOPER AGREE THAT WE COULD POSTPONE IT TILL WHATEVER DATE CERTAIN WE ALL AGREE ON, AND THEN WE, IF WE WON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE AN DEEMING PERIOD? I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT PART.
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WORK WITH STAFF AND COME BACK WHEN WE REFINE THAT LIST.NO, NO, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT ASKING YOU, I'M ASKING YOU WHETHER THE DEVELOPER WILL AGREE NOT TO RAISE THAT ISSUE.
WELL, IT'S NOT, IT'S A CONCERN FOR ME.
AND I'M A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION, SO I'M RAISING THAT.
HE'S ASKING, HE'S ASKING, ARE YOU OKAY WITH US DOING THIS? AND YOU WON'T SAY THAT.
THEY, I THINK, KNOWS WHAT, WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH STAFF AND TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND TRY TO STREAMLINE THIS INTO SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, MORE COHESIVE, COHERENT, I CAN'T WORD ARE HARD.
UM, A MORE COHESIVE PRESENTATION THAT INCORPORATES YOUR COMMENTS AND STAFFS OKAY.
SO THAT IT WON'T RAISE A DEEMING PERIOD ISSUE WITH YOU.
WE, WE ARE HAPPY TO WORK WITH.
IF WE TABLE IT TO A SPECIFIC TABLE, CAN WE ADD CONDITIONS THAT WE WANT THEM TO COME BACK WITH? YOU CAN ASK FOR INFORMATION.
I WOULD RECOMMEND A MOTION AT THIS POINT.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE UNTIL OCTOBER 8TH, WHICH IS OUR NEXT MEETING.
DO WE NEED TO GO LONGER? I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO.
WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD TO RESPOND WITH THAT TIME.
I'M GONNA HAVE SOME CONDITIONS.
FOR, UM, UH, UH, 0 3 9 0 0 0 8 1 9 6 AND 0 3 9 0 0 0 8 1 4 9.
THAT WE TABLE UNTIL OCTOBER 8TH IS THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING FOR ITEM FOR BOTH ITEMS. BUT YOU HAVE DO, YOU'LL HAVE TO DO THAT MOTION AGAIN? THAT'S FOR THE PDD.
DO WE HAVE TO DO IT TWICE? OH, OKAY.
SO ON THE FIRST ONE ON PDD, WE HAVE A MOTION RIGHT HERE.
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I'M GONNA ASK FOR A ROLL CALL.MOTION TALT A COMMISSIONER MEMBER.
I'D LIKE TO ALSO DISCUSSION SUPPORT ON THE OTHER MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I'VE ALREADY VOTED.
YOU'VE ALREADY VOTED ON THE FIRST MOTION.
SO I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE 0 3 9 0 0 0 8 1 4 9 UNTIL THE OCTOBER 8TH MEETING, WHICH IS THE NEXT SCHEDULED
[CONSIDERATION OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR PARCELS 039-00-08-196 (Currently zoned Hardeeville Savannah Tract PDD) & 039-00-08-149 (Currently zoned RA in Jasper County) TO BE KNOWN AS PLEASANT BROOK PDD]
MEETING.DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? I DO.
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YOU COME BACK, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE BUILDINGS ARE ACTUALLY GONNA LOOK LIKE.AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF YOU HAVE POTENTIAL, UM, TENANTS, BECAUSE I, I HAVE A CONCERN BASICALLY WITH ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JEFF BROUGHT UP WITH THE FLAMMABLE LIQUIDS AND GASES.
CONVENIENCE STORES WOULD, WOULD HAVE, COULD HAVE PROPANE EXCHANGE TANKS.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO REFINE THOSE USES.
SO THAT SHOULD, INSTEAD OF LABELING SPECIFIC TENANTS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO NARROW IT DOWN TO GIVE YOU SOME MORE OF THAT COMFORT.
AND I, I KNOW PARKING STANDARDS ARE WHAT THEY ARE, BUT YOU'VE GOT 10 UNITS, UM, AT THIS POINT OF UNKNOWN USE.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPOTS.
ESPECIALLY IF, AND I I'M GONNA BRING UP THE CONVENIENCE STORE AGAIN.
SO CAN CAN YOU LOOK AT THAT AND MAYBE REFINE THAT FOR US? UM, OKAY.
SOMETHING I THINK YOU'RE FAIR ON THAT.
I MEAN IT, TO ASK, TO ASK TO BRING IT
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HERE FOR ALL OF US TO GATHER, UM, AND NOT KNOW WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS NOT, IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.AND, AND I REALLY LIKE THAT WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
IF WE'RE GONNA BUILD SOMETHING, WHAT ARE WE GONNA BUILD? NOT A BLANKET PERMIT TO DO WHATEVER WE WANT LATER.
UM, AND LOOKING AT THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW CONVENIENCE STORE WOULD, WOULD SIT THERE.
UM, AND I DIDN'T BRING UP A CONVENIENCE STORE, BUT I DID HEAR IT HERE.
SO, UM, SO MY POINT IS, YES, WE NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
NOW DO I THINK THAT, AM I WORRIED ABOUT FUTURE TENANTS? I'M NOT.
'CAUSE IT'S VERY HARD TO FIND FUTURE TENANTS IF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU GOT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BUT, UM, WELL, I'M NOT, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW MORE.
LIKE, AND I'M IN A FULL AGREEMENT WITH YOU ONE, 100%.
DON'T GET ME WRONG THERE, BECAUSE WHAT, WHEN YOU STATED IT AND LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT THERE, YES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW CONVENIENCE STORE WILL GET THERE, BUT I DO LIKE YOUR RENDITION.
I DO LIKE THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE AROUND, BUT I, I, I JUST, I'VE GOT, AND IT IS WAY, IT'S BETTER FOR US TO TABLE THIS.
FOR YOU, I THINK IT'S A BLESSING TO GET IT TABLED.
UM, BECAUSE NOW YOU, YOU MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE, UM, JUST REFINE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
'CAUSE UM, MY CONCERNS ARE THE WHOLE LEVY OVERLAY AND WHAT'S BEING DONE OVER THERE.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT HAPPY WITH IT AT ALL.
UM, BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE EVERYTHING OUT ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, SO LET'S LOOK AT IT NEXT MONTH.
BUT I I, I, EVERYTHING THAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONER SAID, I, I AGREE WITH THAT.
THERE'S TWO OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL A WHOLE LOT BETTER.
WE DIDN'T REALLY GET INTO THIS AT ANY GREAT DEPTH TODAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF HAS RAISED SOME ISSUES ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE THINGS AND ALSO TRANSPORTATION ISSUES.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT ALL THAT IS.
IF OUR STAFF WERE PLEA, WERE PLEASED WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
OTHER ONES, I DON'T HAVE TO KNOW WHAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE CONCERNS ARE AND, AND HAVE US TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
SO, I MEAN, IF, IF YOU CAN WORK THAT OUT, THAT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL A WHOLE LOT BETTER ABOUT IT IF THAT WOULD GIVE ME A LOT MORE CONFIDENCE.
I I'M NOT ASKING FOR SPECIFIC TEND, BUT TENANT TO HAVE SAID, OH YEAH, I'D LIKE TO DO THIS OR THAT.
BUT JUST TO COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTE.
UM, THIS, THIS COMMISSION IS NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT.
I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION SINCE 2014 AND WE'RE GETTING SMARTER.
WE'RE GETTING BETTER AT WHAT WE DO.
AND, UM, ARE WE GETTING SMARTER? I THINK SO.
AND, UM, STAFF WILL, WILL, WILL BACK ME UP.
UM, SO IT, IT, IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT PERSONAL.
UM, IT'S JUST THAT WE WANT TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR HARDY IN THE FUTURE.
UM, I MEAN, I CAN'T SAY FOR MY KIDS 'CAUSE IT'S, THEY'RE SPREAD FAR AND WIDE.
BUT, UM, I THINK WITH, WITH THE CONCEPT, THE CITY'S CONCEPT OF ALL WHERE WE'RE GOING, I THINK THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE GOING.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING, THAT'S WHAT THIS BODY IS TRYING TO DO, IS TRYING TO MAKE EVERY, UH, APPLICANT'S, UH, PROPOSAL FIT INTO THAT CONCEPT.
SO IF, SO, IF YOU COULD LIKE THE, LIKE WE SAID, IF YOU COULD BRING US BACK INFORMATION, UM, AND, AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN NEXT MONTH.
NOW WE'LL VOTE ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
LEMME JUST MAKE SURE SHE DOESN'T HAVE, UM, I I WILL ASK ONE MORE QUESTION.
DOES, DOES THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY MORE COMMENT ON THESE? DO WE NEED TO COME UP? SURE.
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WE HAD BACK IN APRIL.[VII.]
UM, ALL BUT MAYBE ONE RESIDENT SHOWED UP.UH, WE ARE ACTUALLY PRETTY SATISFIED ALL THE, THEY SATISFIED ALL THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD.
UM, PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY ONE IS THAT NONE OF US WANNA BE, UM, TAKEN INTO THE CITY AT THIS TIME.
BUT WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THEM BUILDING THIS LITTLE MINI INDUSTRIAL PARK AT THE HEAD OF THE ROAD.
IT WOULD ACTUALLY KIND OF OPEN, UM, IT WOULD OPEN LITTLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR AREA 'CAUSE LEVY IS KIND OF QUIET.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT THEY UM, THEY SAT ASIDE US 'CAUSE WE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE, UH, SEPTIC SYSTEM AND THE PARKING AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE, WHEN WE FINISHED THAT MEETING, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MORE BIG CONCERNS WITH THIS GOING IN.
I ALMOST WISH YOU HAD COME UP EARLIER.
ONLY ONE RESIDENT, BUT THERE WAS ONE.
BUT YOU HAD A FULL HOUSE ON THE FIRST MEETING.
THEY DIDN'T PAY YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS TODAY,
WE DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS SHOWING UP TODAY.
SAY THANK YOU ON YOUR WAY OUT.
THEY, THEY DID HAVE OUR INFORMATION.
WELL, I, I, I THINK, I MEAN THIS, THIS BOARD HAD SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS FOR 'EM AND, AND WE BROUGHT UP QUITE A FEW OF 'EM AT THE ORIGINAL MEETING.
I WISH WE HADN'T BEEN TO THE ORIGINAL MEETING.
SO, UM, YEAH, AND WE'VE BEEN IN, WE ARE, WE ARE THE OLDEST RESIDENT THERE.
SO THE ONLY, THE ONLY QUESTION THAT WE HAD RECENTLY IS THAT WE HAVE HAD A HORRENDOUS AMOUNT OF RAIN.
AND IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM WITH OUR SEPTIC SYSTEMS. BUT, UM, THAT WAS A QUESTION I HADN'T FORGOT TO ASK, BUT THEY, THEY COULD BE VERY MUCH AWARE OF THAT BY NOW.
IF WE HAVE THIS MUCH RAIN AGAIN AFTER SOMETHING LIKE THIS GOES IN, THEY'LL BE PREPARED.
SO PART OF THE TAX OF LIVING IN BELOW COUNTRY
BUT THE, THE PRICE THAT SET THE TANK EVERY MONTH IS BY ONCE AND YEAH.
EVERY ABOUT EVERY FIVE YEARS WE HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING SWAMPED OUT.
LAST TWO MEETINGS HAVE BEEN, UH, VERY ENCOURAGING FOR ME BEING ON THIS BOARD.
UM, AND TO SEE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND YOU GUYS COMING HERE WITH A, AN ACTUAL PLAN WHERE YOU'RE NOT JUST TAKING OPEN SPACE AND THROWING IT TO THE CORNER AND SAYING, ACCEPT IT, PLEASE.
UM, I I THINK THAT MORE RESPECT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THIS BOARD, UM, GOES A LONG WAYS.
AND, AND, AND I REALLY, UM, THINK IN THIS EFFORT AS MUCH AS I WOULD, I'M NOT A FAN OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IT'S KIND OF VERY HARD TO NOT LIKE THIS PROJECT.
UM, I, I HOPE IT CONTINUES LIKE THIS.
AND I, I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE THAT WHEN THERE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN SLIP, BE SLIPPED BY US AND, AND FOREVER IN A DAY, EVERY TIME THAT'S DONE, I DON'T LIKE IT.
AND I GET, UM, BUT, BUT THIS, THERE WAS A LOT OF RESPECT IN THIS FOR EVERYBODY.
KEEP BRINGING 'EM LIKE THIS AND, UM, THAT'S AN ENCOURAGEMENT TO ME.
THE APPLICANTS ARE GETTING SLANDER TO, OKAY.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE PLANNING REPORT.
[PLANNING REPORT]
WE HAD THE CURRENT UPDATE, SO WE MOVED TO[01:25:01]
COMMISSION[CURRENT PLANNING PROJECTS UPDATE]
MEMBERS COMMENTS.I'M GONNA START WITH MR. FOREMAN.
I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS, MR.
[COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS]
OL NOT, I'M JUST, I'M JUST GLAD THERE WAS ONLY ONE APPLICANT TODAY.UM, THAT THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS CAN WE GET AN UPDATED LIST OF COMMISSION MEMBERS AND STAFF MEMBERS, UM, INFORMATION, CONTACT INFORMATION.
I MAKE A MOTION AND WE ADJOURN.
[ADJOURNMENT]
THANK YOU.DO WE LOOK FORWARD TO NEXT MONTH? YOU DO AS WELL.