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>> OVER TO HER FOR THE EVENING.

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YOU CAN'T HIT ME WITH IT.

SO, MISS GUZMAN, TAKE IT AWAY.

[I. INVOCATION & PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.

WE WILL BEGIN THIS AFTERNOON WITH THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY COUNCILMAN MUSLI. PLEASE RISE.

>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. IN THE SANCTUARY OF DIALOGUE, LET RESPECT BE THE CORNERSTONE UPON WHICH OUR INTERACTIONS ARE BUILT.

LET OUR WORDS BE GUIDED BY A DEEP APPRECIATION FOR THE DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES THAT ENRICH OUR DISCUSSIONS.

LIKE THE ROOTS OF A TREE THAT INTERWINE TO FORM A STURDY FOUNDATION, SO DO OUR RESPECTFUL INTERACTIONS CREATE A STRONG BASE FOR FRUITFUL CONVERSATIONS.

WITH EACH EXCHANGE, LET US HONOR THE UNIQUENESS OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL.

AND THROUGH THIS INVOCATION OF RESPECT, LET US FOSTER AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE EVERY VOICE IS HEARD AND VALUED.

>> PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE AS WE PAUSE AND REFLECT ON THE MANY SACRIFICES MADE BY OUR MILITARY WHO PROTECT THE BLANKET OF FREEDOM WE SLEEP UNDER EVERY NIGHT AND WHO CONTINUE TO PROTECT OUR WAY OF LIFE.

THANK YOU.

I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

THIS IS A CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, CITY COUNCIL MEETING 205 MAIN STREET, HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, 29927 THURSDAY 21, AUGUST 2025 AT 5:00 PM.

THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS WOULD BE TO APPROVE TODAY'S AGENDA.

DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL DISAPPROVAL OR TO MAKE ANY CHANGES?

[II. CALL TO ORDER]

>> MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.

[III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSIONS? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR?

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES.

MADAM CLERK, IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? THANK YOU. THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS TODAY.

[V. PUBLIC COMMENTS (3 MINUTE TIME LIMIT)]

NEXT MOVING ON TO THE PRESENTATION AND APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES FOR AUGUST 7TH, 2025?

>> DID WE HAVE WE APPROVE?

>> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR?

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSE? PASS. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA WAS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE WEST ARGENT MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, ALSO KNOWN AS A MID.

I HAVE THE FOLLOWING TO READ OUT TO YOU.

THE HILTON HEAD LAKES MID PUBLIC HEARING WILL NOT TAKE PLACE TONIGHT.

A NEW PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE SCHEDULED AFTER RECEIVING UPDATED PARCEL OWNER INFORMATION FROM THE DEVELOPER.

MOVING ON TO OLD BUSINESS.

[IX. OLD BUSINESS]

DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC?

>> MADAM CHAIR, I MIGHT TEE THIS ITEM UP SO THAT THE PUBLIC'S AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, ITEMS A AND B UNDER OLD BUSINESS RELATE TO THIS IS SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO ANNEX PROPERTY INTO THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE.

THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY IS LOCATED OFF OF BRICKYARD ROAD.

AS WE DISCUSSED AT FIRST READING, IT IS A SMALL TRIANGLE SHAPED PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS ESSENTIALLY GOING TO BE UTILIZED AS ACCESS TO ADJOINING PROPERTY THAT IS ALREADY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

I BELIEVE WE HEARD A PRESENTATION AT FIRST READING THAT THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES, SPECIFICALLY AN EQUINE VETERINARY SERVICE.

WHILE WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THESE ITEMS SEPARATELY, BOTH ITEMS A AND B ARE LINKED TOGETHER, AND THAT ITEM A IS THE VEHICLE BY WHICH THE PROPERTY GETS BROUGHT INTO THE CITY LIMITS.

AND THEN ITEM B IS THE VEHICLE BY WHICH ZONING THEN IT GETS SIGNED TO THAT ITEM.

I KNOW IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, WE'D BE HAPPY TO RESPOND TO THEM, BUT SINCE IT'S SECOND READING, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO JUST STAND ON THE RECORD.

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>> ASK IF ANYBODY WANTS A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> YEAH. SO DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE WEST ARGIN MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT?

>> NOT ON THAT, BUT ON THE SECOND HEARING WITH WHATEVER NAME IS ALEX H TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ALEX, WHEN WE COME, COME TO THAT SECTION, YOU CAN COME UP AND.

SEEING NONE, I GUESS WE'LL MOVE ALONG TO BUSINESS.

THE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, PARCEL NUMBER 041-000-3029, CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY PLUS OR MINUS 1.69 ACRES OF REAL ESTATE LOCATED IN JASPER COUNTY, NOT ALREADY WITHIN THE HARDEEVILLE CITY LIMITS, AS WELL AS ALL ADJACENT PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY, RAILROAD RIGHTS OF WAY, WATER, LOWLANDS, AND WETLANDS.

THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025-08-07 A. MR. GRUBER.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AS INDICATED, THIS IS SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE, A AND B ARE LINKED TOGETHER AS PART OF A UNIFIED APPLICATION TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, AND STAFF WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU OR THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO?

>> YOU DON'T WANT TO JUST AT LEAST WALK UP AND.

>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL?

>> FRED.

>> MR. MAYOR?

>> NO. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME, AND IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

AND I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

>> AND NEITHER DO I.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE 2025-08-07A.

>> I MAKE THE MOTION.

>> DO WE APPROVE.

>> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR.

>> AYE.

>> ANYONE OPPOSED?

>> MOVING INTO THE SAME ORDINANCE.

SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY PLUS OR MINUS 1.69 ACRES, KNOWN GENERALLY AS 041-00-03-029 FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IN JASPER COUNTY TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL IN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, AND TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE. MR. GRUBER.

>> YES, MADAM CHAIR. SO WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ABOUT THIS ASPECT IS THAT WE WOULD BE ASSIGNING THIS PROPERTY, THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DESIGNATION WITHIN THE MZDO? IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT IS THE SAME DESIGNATION THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY THAT THIS WILL BE ADDED TO.

THEY WILL ALL BE UNIFIED AND UNDER THE SAME ZONING CLASSIFICATION, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE EQUINE VETERINARY FACILITY.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL?

>> NO, MADAM CHAIR.

>> I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025-08-07B.

>> MOTION WE APPROVE 2025-08-07B.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR.

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ANYONE OPPOSED?

>> I CAN GO KICK YOUR ONE.

>> WE HAVE A SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, AMENDING CHAPTER TEN OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO PROHIBIT TOBACCO USE, INCLUDING SMOKING AND VAPING ON CITY OWNED PROPERTY, VEHICLES, PARKS, AND WITHIN 100 FOOT RADIUS OF SUCH PROPERTY.

PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, ENFORCEMENT, PENALTIES, AND EXCEPTIONS, AND ESTABLISHING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

WE HAVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025-08-07C. MR. GRUBER,

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>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THIS ITEM, AGAIN, IS FOR SECOND READING.

SO WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT FIRST READING IS THIS ORDINANCE WOULD ESSENTIALLY PROHIBIT THE USE OF TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND TOBACCO RELATED PRODUCTS ON CITY PROPERTY.

[C. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, AMENDING CHAPTER 10 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO PROHIBIT TOBACCO USE, INCLUDING SMOKING AND VAPING ON ALL CITY-OWNED PROPERTY, VEHICLES, PARKS, AND WITHIN A 100-FOOT RADIUS OF SUCH PROPERTY; PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, ENFORCEMENT, PENALTIES, AND EXCEPTIONS; AND ESTABLISHING AN EFFECTIVE DATE (2025-08-07C)]

HOWEVER, WE WILL DESIGNATE AREAS THAT ARE AT LEAST 100 FEET AWAY FROM THE ENTRANCES TO OUR FACILITIES.

THAT WAY IF STAFF OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DO WANT TO UTILIZE TOBACCO.

WE WILL STILL ALLOW FOR THAT.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT DONE ANYWHERE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THOSE ENTRANCE WAYS.

>> YEAH. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS BY COUNCIL?

>> QUESTION. ONE THING. JOSH, I'M GLAD YOU DID THAT BECAUSE YOU AND I HAD TALKED.

AND WE DO WANT TO LOOK OUT FOR THE EMPLOYEES, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S I GUESS, AN UNHEALTHY HABIT, BUT SOME STILL HAVE IT, AND THEY DO HAVE SOME TYPE OF SPOT THAT THEY CAN.

>> YES, SIR.

>> AND WE DO HAVE REP WE'RE GOING TO BE PLACING ANY RECEPTACLES IN THE AREA SO THEY CAN DISPOSE OF.

>> YES, MA'AM. WE'LL NEED TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF SIGNAGE AND SOME OTHER RECEPTACLES THERE SO THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE THAT IT'S THE DESIGNATED SMOKING AREA.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS, QUESTIONS?

>> OKAY.

>> NO, MADAM CHAIR.

>> WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE 2025-08-07C. DO I HAVE A MOTION?

>> I MAKE A MOTION THAT ON SECOND READING, WE APPROVE ORDINANCE 2025-08-07C.

>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR?

>> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSE? WE NEW BUSINESS.

AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE TRANSFER OF CERTAIN REAL ESTATE AND ASSOCIATED INFRASTRUCTURE LOCATED ON SUCH PROPERTY AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO GRANT SUCH PROPERTY RIGHTS TO BEAUFORT JASPER WATER AND SEWER AUTHORITY, NECESSARY FOR THE EXIT EIGHT WATER AND SEWER IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025-08-21A. MR. GRUBER.

>> YES, MA'AM. AS YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR, THE CITY IS UNDERTAKING

[A. AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE TRANSFER OF CERTAIN REAL ESTATE AND ASSOCIATED INFRASTRUCTURE LOCATED ON SUCH PROPERTY AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO GRANT SUCH PROPERTY RIGHTS TO BEAUFORT-JASPER WATER AND SEWER AUTHORITY (BJWSA) NECESSARY FOR THE EXIT 8 WATER AND SEWER IMPROVEMENT PROJECT (2025-08-21A)]

SOME WASTEWATER SEWER IMPROVEMENTS PRIMARILY IN THE EXIT EIGHT AREA.

WE ACTUALLY SOUGHT OUT AND RECEIVED A SIGNIFICANT GRANT FROM THE STATE RURAL INFRASTRUCTURE AUTHORITY TO FACILITATE THAT PROJECT.

WE ARE NOW AT THE POINT OF WORKING WITH BEAUFORT JASPER WATER AND SEWER AUTHORITY TO INSTALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT NEEDS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED IS THE LAND WHERE THIS NEW PUMP STATION IS GOING TO BE INSTALLED IS LOCATED ON LAND THAT IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE CITY, BUT NEEDS TO BE TRANSFERRED TO BEAUFORT JASPER WATER AND SEWER AUTHORITY.

ANYTIME THAT WE SELL OR TRANSFER LAND THAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY, WE HAVE TO DO SO BY AN ORDINANCE.

THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE FOR FIRST READING BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

>> DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS?

>> ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION BY COUNSEL?

>> NON FOR ME.

>> MR. MAYOR?

>> NO, I HAVE I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

JUST TO COMMENT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE A BENEFIT TO EVERYONE IN THAT RESIDENT AREA.

WE KNOW DOT IS GOING IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, GOING TO BE CHANGING THAT WHOLE CONFIGURATION THERE.

WE HAVE BUCKIES COMING AND HOPEFULLY SOME OTHER COMMERCIAL INTERESTS AROUND THERE.

THIS IS A WONDERFUL PROJECT, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE CHIPPED IN AND SO THIS IS TERRIFIC.

>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, BY COUNSEL.

>> JOSH, YOU GOT YOU HAD YOUR ISSUES STRAIGHT WITH APAC, BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT YOU HAD A FEW CONCERNS LEFT, BUT YOU'RE SATISFIED.

>> YES, SIR. THIS IS A SEPARATE CONTRACT THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ADMINISTERED BY BEAUFORT JASPER WATER AND SEWER AUTHORITY.

THEY ARE IN THIS BUSINESS.

WE ARE GOING TO LET THEM DO THEIR THING.

WE'LL BASICALLY JUST BE THE BANK TO HELP PAY THE BILLS WHEN THEY COME DUE.

>> YES.

>> THIS WAS JOSH, THIS IS THE GRANT MONEY WE GOT FROM THE RURAL INFRASTRUCTURE AUTHORITY.

THIS WAS THE RURAL INFRASTRUCTURE AUTHORITY.

WE APPLIED FOR A GRANT AND TO HELP WITH THAT WHOLE $6,000,000 PROJECT,

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AND THIS PUMP STATION THEY PAID FOR IT.

>> YES. THIS IS SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE RIA GRANT WAS MEANT TO FUND WAS THE PUMP STATION.

>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS COUNSEL.

>> NO, MAAM.

>> I NEED THE MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025-08-218.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION?

>> THE MOTION TO APPROVE 2025-08-2018.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR.

>> AYE.

>> ANYONE OPPOSED? MOTION PASSEES.

THE NEXT IS A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF

[B. RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF AN EXISTING CONTRACT WITH APAC-ATLANTIC INC TO COMPLETE THE VARIOUS PARKING LOT AND SIDEWALK PROJECTS AND OTHER MATTERS RELATED THERETO. (2025-08-21B)]

AN EXISTING CONTRACT WITH APAC ATLANTIC INCORPORATED TO COMPLETE THE VARIOUS PARKING LOT AND SIDEWALK PROJECTS AND OTHER MATTERS RELATED THERE TO ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025-08-21B.

MR. GRUBER.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THIS ITEM, AS INDICATED WOULD ESSENTIALLY ALLOW US TO AMEND AN EXISTING CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH APAC.

IF YOU'LL RECALL LAST YEAR, WE BROUGHT TO YOU A PROPOSAL THAT WE HAD RECEIVED A BID FROM APAC IN THE AMOUNT OF JUST SHY OF $5,000,000 FOR VARIOUS PROJECTS.

AT THE TIME, WE ONLY HAD $2,000,000 IN FUNDING ON HAND, SO WE ASKED CITY COUNCIL TO HELP US PRIORITIZE WHICH PROJECTS WE WANTED TO GET COMPLETED.

THOSE PROJECTS ARE UNDERWAY, AND JODI IS GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.

NOW THAT WE ARE IN A NEW FISCAL YEAR AND ADDITIONAL FUNDS HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATED THROUGH OUR CIP BUDGET, WE'RE LOOKING TO AMEND THE CONTRACT TO ADD IN A NUMBER OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT WE COULD NOT PREVIOUSLY PAY FOR, BUT THAT WE DO NOW HAVE FUNDING TO ACCOMPLISH.

WITH THAT SUMMARY, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JODI AND LET HER EXPLAIN IT IN GREATER DETAIL.

>> HE DID A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNSEL.

>> GOOD EVENING.

>> GLAD TO BE BACK TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THIS BIG PROJECT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE BEEN SEEING SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION.

THE BEST WAY TO GIVE YOU THAT UPDATE IS TO REVIEW WHAT WE GAVE YOU IN DECEMBER.

I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH OUR OLD SLIDE DECK AND THEN HELP YOU THROUGH THE NUMBERS.

OUR PRIORITIES, AS YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD SOME INSUFFICIENT FUNDING, AS OUR CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, AND WE HAD APAC FUNDING THAT WAS TIED TO THIS THAT NEEDED TO BE ALLOCATED BY DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

WE WANTED TO COMPLETE AS MUCH WORK AS POSSIBLE WITH THE 2.2 MILLION DOLLAR THAT YOU APPROVED LAST YEAR.

THEN THE FUNDING THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE PRIORITY LIST, WE INCORPORATED THAT PER YEAR DIRECTION.

SORRY, THAT SLIDE COULD HAVE GONE AWAY.

HEY. WE DID IT.

WE GOT UNDER CONTRACT BEFORE WE NEEDED TO.

>> EVERYBODY WAS LISTENING, THOUGH.

>> YES, THEY WERE.

>> PAYING A LOT OF MY ATTENTION.

>> AGAIN, TO SHOW YOU THE BIDS THAT WERE RECEIVED, APAC CAME IN AT 4.9, JUST SHY OF $5,000,000.

OUR BOYD STREET SIDEWALK WAS 160.

PUBLIC WORKS LOT WAS 490.

THE RECREATION CENTER BEHIND OUR BEAUTIFUL REC CENTER IS 1.2, AND THEN 3.1 TO FINISH EVERYTHING IN THE RICHARD GRAY COMPLEX.

IN SUMMARY, AGAIN, THOSE FOUR LOCATIONS, THE SCOPE WAS TO REPAVE SOME OF THE OLD PARKING LOTS AND THEN UPGRADE SOME OF THE BROKEN SIDEWALKS, INSTALL NEW PARKING LOTS, AND INSTALL NEW SIDEWALKS.

THEN TO HIGHLIGHT THE LOCATIONS BEHIND US IN THE COMPLEX, WHICH IS TRULY THE BULK OF THE WORK.

IT'S 3.1 MILLION DOLLAR, AND THERE WERE SEVERAL LOCATIONS.

WHAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW IS IN THIS YELLOW AREA.

OUR BASKETBALL COURT SITS HERE, SO BOTH ON THIS SIDE AND THIS SIDE, WE'RE INSTALLING THAT WORK AS WE SPEAK, AND IT WILL BE DONE BEFORE OUR FESTIVAL ON MAINE.

THE EXISTING PARKING LOT THAT SITS JUST NORTH OF OUR JUJU HUDSON, THAT AREA IS GOING TO GET REPAVED.

THEN WE HAD PROPOSED DOING SOME PAVING IN THE RANDALL STREET LOT THAT WE HAVE DELETED THAT PROJECT.

WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL A BRIDGE ACROSS TO GET THE CONNECTIVITY.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME AREAS NEXT TO OUR FOOTBALL FIELD THAT ARE NOT ON THIS SLIDE, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND WHAT WE'RE NOT DOING IS HIGHLIGHTED WITH A LITTLE X HERE.

WE DID COMPLETE THE BOYD STREET SIDEWALK IN APRIL.

EVERYBODY IS VERY HAPPY WITH THAT, AND I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK.

THE CONSTRUCTION BEHIND OUR REC CENTER, THAT'LL COMMENCE NOVEMBER.

AS SOON AS THEY'RE FINISHED BACK HERE WITH THE LOT THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE UNDER CONSTRUCTION,

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THEY'RE MOVING OVER TO THIS LOT.

CONSTRUCTION IS SPELLED WRONG.

BUT EXISTING LOT, THE CONSTRUCTION WILL COMMENCE IN FEBRUARY HERE.

WE'VE GOT OUR JUJU HUDSON PLAYGROUND.

AS SOON AS WE GET THROUGH OUR FESTIVAL ON MAINE AND THEY MOVE OVER TO THE REC CENTER, THEY'LL MOVE BACK TO THE RICHARD GRAY COMPLEX.

THEN WHAT I WAS SPEAKING OF WITH THE FOOTBALL FIELD, WE'RE PUTTING IN AN ADA COMPLIANT SIDEWALK TO GET EVERYBODY TO THE GRANDSTANDS.

WE'RE ADDING THE AMBULANCE DRIVEWAY.

THEN DOWN HERE IS A BROKEN PATCH OF WHAT'S LIKE A SUBSIDIARY AMBULANCE PAD, THAT'S GETTING REDONE AS WELL.

THEN OF COURSE, OUR PUBLIC WORKS LOT, WHICH OUR NEW CITY ENGINEER HAS COME ON BOARD AND DECIDED TO REDUCE SOME OF THE SCOPE HERE.

WE DID REDESIGN A LITTLE BIT OF THIS, BUT THAT WOULD COMMENCE IN APRIL OF NEXT YEAR, 2026.

NOW THE HARD STUFF.

THERE'S A LOT OF COLORS HERE, AND I TRIED TO COLOR CODE TO MAKE THIS AS EASY AS POSSIBLE.

STARTING WITH THE EASY ONE, THE REC CENTER WAS OUR HIGHEST PRIORITY.

THE PERMIT WASN'T IN HAND AND IT DELAYED OUR START, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE STARTED BACK HERE.

THE 1.2 IS STILL THE 1.2.

THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THAT.

BOYD STREET, 160 THAT WAS BID OUT BY APAC, STAYED 160 WERE COMPLETED.

THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THAT.

AND THEN WHAT WE WERE LEFT WITH WAS THE $864,000 FROM WHAT YOU APPROVED AT 2.2, THESE THREE NUMBERS TOGETHER GOT US TO THAT 2.2.

THE $864,000 IT WAS APPLIED TO GET THESE TWO AREAS STARTED THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

WE STILL NEED $350,000 FROM FISCAL YEAR 26 FUNDING OF WHICH WAS APPROVED, BUT THAT'S IN OUR FISCAL YEAR 26 COLUMN.

THEN TO REPAVE JIM HAD HER WAY IN THE CIRCLE GOING TO THE BACK PART OF OUR REC COMPLEX, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY $240,000, AND WE WANT TO GET THAT DONE BEFORE THE FESTIVAL ON MAINE IS HERE.

THAT IS SLATED TO BE DONE AS WELL.

>> JODI REAL QUICK.

>> SURE.

>> I BELIEVE AS PART OF THAT REPAVING WORK THROUGH HERE, THERE'S ALSO IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BACK THERE, YOU'VE NOTICED THAT THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT DIPS IN THAT ROAD WITH SOME OF THE UTILITY CONNECTIONS, THAT WILL RESOLVE AND CORRECT THOSE AS WELL.

>> ABSOLUTELY. IT'S AREAS WHERE WE HAVE UTILITY LINES THAT ARE RUNNING ACROSS THE ROAD, AND SO IT'S JUST OVER TIME WHERE WE'VE REMOVED SOME SPEED BUMPS, AND THERE'S BEEN SETTLEMENT AND JUST ONGOING WORK.

IT'S MADE QUITE A MESS [OVERLAPPING] YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT HAS A BIT OF A PURPOSE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL SOME NEW SPEED BUMPS, SO WE WILL MANAGE THE SPEED.

BUT YES, TO GET THAT YELLOW ZONE THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND ALL OF JIM HATTERWAY, INCLUDING OUR ROUNDABOUT REPAVED BEFORE THE FESTIVAL ON MAINE, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY $240,000.

THEN OUR EXISTING LOT THAT WE WILL COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION ON AFTER WE FINISH OUR REC CENTER LOT OFF OF JOHN SMITH, THAT'S ABOUT $680,000.

THEN THE SMALL WORK THAT I SHOWED YOU IN GREEN, THAT'S THE FOOTBALL FIELD SIDEWALK AMBULANCE, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY $85,000.

WITH THIS NEW MONEY COMING FROM OUR FISCAL YEAR 26 FUNDING AND THE $500,000 FOR OUR PUBLIC WORKS LOT, THAT'S 1.855330 THAT WE'RE INCREASING THE CONTRACT WITH APAC.

WHEN YOU TAKE WHAT WE HAVE ISSUED THEM IN DECEMBER OF 2024, WE GAVE THEM A CONTRACT OF 2.1 MILLION, AND I LEFT A LITTLE FOR CONTINGENCY MONEY, WHICH I'M GLAD WE DID BECAUSE WE NEEDED THAT.

WE HAD $87,000 IN A CHANGE ORDER FOR MUCKING BECAUSE OF HOW WET IT IS BACK IN THIS AREA.

THEY HAD TO DO EXTRA BURROW AND FILL.

CURRENTLY, THE APAC CONTRACT IS AT 2.2.

WE'RE STILL UNDER OUR BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 25.

WHEN WE ADD THIS 2.2 TO THE 1.8, WELL, WE'RE NOTIFYING YOU THAT THEIR NEW CONTRACT VALUE WILL BE $4,059,120 AND 67 CENTS.

WHY IS IT NOT FIVE MILLION? IT'S BECAUSE WE ELIMINATED THE RANDALL STREET PARKING AND BRIDGE, WHICH I SHOWED IN THE PINK RIGHT HERE, $750,000 WOULD PAVE THIS WHOLE AREA IN ABOUT $150,000 FOR THIS BRIDGE FOR PEDESTRIAN WALKING.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO NOTE IS THAT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS DECIDED FOR THIS TO REMAIN AS GRASS AT THIS TIME, WE'RE PLANNING TO PUT A CULVERT PIPE RIGHT HERE, WHICH WILL CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF A SIDEWALK,

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SO PEOPLE ARE OUT OF THE ROADWAY.

AS THEY'RE COMING FROM THIS PARKING, THE ONE OR TWO TIMES THAT WE USE THIS OVERFLOW, THEY'LL WALK DOWN A LITTLE PATHWAY OVER THIS DIRECTION SO THAT THEY'RE PROTECTED FROM THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.

THAT MONEY IS IN THE $350,000 THAT WE'RE DOING THIS WORK WITH, SO I TIED IT IN WITH THAT.

IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, WHICH I'M SURE THERE MIGHT BE, I CAN GO BACK TO WHATEVER SLIDE MAKES YOU THE MOST COMFORTABLE.

[LAUGHTER]

>> IF YOU LET APAC WHEN THEY'RE FINISHED BACK HERE, IF YOU LET THEM GO TO THE REC CENTER BEFORE THEY FINISH 278, VAL AND I ARE GOING TO HAUNT YOU.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND WE HAVE GIVEN THEM A WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO MY MIC.

YES. WE HAD A FIRM CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.

I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THERE ARE PROMISES IN PLACE THAT THEY WILL NOT ALLOW FOR THEIR CREWS TO BE AWAY FROM THE LATITUDE [OVERLAPPING].

>> THANK YOU.

>> REAL QUICK, INTERESTING FACT ALONG THOSE LINES, JUST BECAUSE I FOUND IT VERY INTERESTING. I THINK YOU MIGHT AS WELL.

LAST WEEK AS PART OF THE INTERSECTION PROJECT, IN ORDER TO CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT APAC HAD TO BRING IN SCUBA DIVERS TO DESCEND DOWN INTO THEIR STORM WATER PIPES AND PLUG UP THE END SO THAT THEY CAN THEN PUMP IT OUT AND BE ABLE TO MAKE WORK ON IT.

THERE WERE SCUBA DIVERS UNDERNEATH 278 AT THAT INTERSECTION LEVEL.

>> THAT WHAT THEY WERE DOING?

>> YES.

>> OH, WOW.

>> I KNOW AND I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE DRONE PILOTS.

THEY COULD HAVE GOTTEN GOOD MEDIA COVERAGE FOR US, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND GET THAT INFORMATION FROM THE DIVERS.

>> IS IT TRUE THAT THEY FOUND TIMMY HOFFA UNDER THERE?

>> OH, THEY COULD HAVE FOUND A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDER THERE.

I'M NOT SURE WHO.

[LAUGHTER]

>> SCUBA DIVING IN THE SEWERS BOY?

>> THAT'S A NEW ONE.

>> IT'S ONLY A 36 INCH RCP.

IT'S NOT LIKE A BIG PIPE, SO.

>> THE GUY GOT IN THE PONDS TO PICK UP THE GOLF BALLS HAD A BAD JOB.

YES. IS EVERYTHING THEN WITHIN BECAUSE WE ESTIMATED THINGS A YEAR AGO.

HOW FAR ARE WE OUT OF I GUESS WHERE THE ORIGINAL BID STILL BEING HELD ON.

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

THE ORIGINAL BID FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS PARKING LOT AT $490,000 WENT UP JUST SLIGHTLY BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE MATERIAL INCREASES.

BUT THEN WITH OUR CITY ENGINEER COMING ON BOARD AND CHANGING THAT DESIGN AND REDUCING SOME OF THE CONCRETE AND ASPHALT WHERE THEY INCREASE THE PRICE, WE'RE GOING TO STAY UNDER.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE REC CENTER PARKING LOT? NO, THAT'S GUARANTEED. THAT PRICE WAS LOCKED IN.

>> THANK YOU.

>> DON'T TELL HIM THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. IT GOES TO HIS HEAD.

>> ANYWAY, TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.

ONE ANSWERED, BUT YOU'RE SATISFIED BECAUSE YOU AND I AND JOSH HAD TALKED ABOUT APAC, YOU'RE SATISFIED BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HOLD A FOOT TO THE FIRE, BUT IF ARE YOU ALL SATISFIED WITH IT?

>> I AM SATISFIED, AND WE'VE COME FULL CIRCLE.

I KNOW THAT THEY WERE BIDDING THIS PROJECT IN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR, WHEN THE WORK WAS JUST OVERWHELMING TO SAY THE LEAST, AND I WAS GRATEFUL TO GET A BID FROM ANYBODY.

YOU CAN SEE THAT BY THE PRICE DIFFERENTIAL, WHEN APAC CAME IN AT JUST UNDER FIVE MILLION, AND POLKA WAS AT OVER SEVEN MILLION, PEOPLE WERE THROWING CRAZY NUMBERS OUT THERE.

AT LEAST THEY CAME IN WITH A FAIR NUMBER ON THIS.

>> THE PARK ON RANDALL STREET, ARE YOU DELAYING PAVING THAT, OR ARE YOU NOT GOING TO PLAN ON PAVING IT?

>> NO, WE ARE NOT PLANNING ON PAVING THAT.

IT WAS DELETED FROM THE SCOPE, AND IT WAS DECIDED THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE COMPLEX AS A WHOLE, AND THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DELETED FROM THE PRIORITY LIST, OR IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO PUT THAT BACK IN, FOR HOW LITTLE IT GETS USED.

IT'S A COUPLE OF TIMES A YEAR, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

>> I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'VE TALKED WITH STAFF ABOUT POTENTIALLY REIMAGINING THE USE OF THAT AREA.

IN MY OPINION, THE HIGHER AND BETTER USE OF THAT WOULD BE FOR SPORTS FIELDS OF SOME KIND, WHETHER ANOTHER TURF FIELD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT NOW.

THAT'S NOT NOW, IT'S NOT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, THAT IS PROBABLY IN THE FURTHER OUT FUTURE, BUT I THINK THAT'S A MUCH BETTER USE OF THE PROPERTY THAN IT IS PUTTING IN PARKING SPACES, AS YOU INDICATED, THAT WOULD ONLY BE USED A COUPLE OF TIMES A YEAR.

>> PICKLEBALL, EVERYBODY WANTS PICKLEBALL.

I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF NUMBERS TO BE THROWING AT YOU, BUT IN FACT, WE'RE STILL UNDER THE FIVE MILLION THAT WE PRESENTED LAST DECEMBER.

>> THEY'RE ALL PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE COMPLETED.

>> THEY DESPERATELY NEED TO BE COMPLETED, YES.

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>> WE COULD TAKE THAT MILLION DOLLARS AND USE TOWARDS THE OLD CITY HALL PROJECT AND SPLASH PADS, RIGHT?

>> WELL, WE DIDN'T FUND THAT FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 [OVERLAPPING]

>> HOLD ON, WAIT.

YES, THERE IS FUNDING FOR THE SPLASH PAD IN YOUR APPROVED BUDGET.

WE DO NOT NEED TO BRING OVER THIS MONEY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

WE ALREADY HAVE THAT BUDGETED.

>> YES, THE SPLASH PAD IS BUDGETED, BUT WE DID NOT FUND THE RANDALL STREET BUDGET FOR LAST YEAR OR THIS YEAR, SO THERE'S NOTHING THERE.

>> I'M SORRY, I MISSED.

>> NOT REAL MONEY THERE.

>> THERE'S NOT REAL MONEY THERE. WE ASKED FOR IT, BUT NOBODY WANTED IT.

>> A TELLING WHAT HARRY JUST SAID, THOUGH.

I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE START WORRYING ABOUT OLD CITY HALL.

I'M GETTING A LOT, IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETIME WE WORRY ABOUT THINGS ON 278 AND OTHER PLACES, AND DOWNTOWN HARDEEVILLE GETS FORGOTTEN.

WE PROMISE THAT, AND PEOPLE ARE COUNTING ON THAT THAT WE START MAKING SOME PLANS, SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH OLD CITY HALL?

>> YES, SIR. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH JODI.

JODI'S BEEN WORKING WITH THE DESIGN TEAM SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING TO BRING BACK TO YOU AND THEN ULTIMATELY BID OUT.

OUR GOAL IS GOING TO BE TO HAVE THAT OUT ON THE STREET BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR.

NOT ONLY FOR THAT PROJECT, BUT ALSO FOR THE RENOVATIONS OF 102 MAIN STREET, BECAUSE THE SAME DESIGN FIRM IS WORKING ON BOTH OF THOSE. SO I KNOW [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> JODI'S IN VERY CLOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.

WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM A CUTOFF DATE.

WE NEED TO HAVE THIS BACK IN BY NOW, BUT THAT'S GOING TO THEN ALLOW US TO BRING THOSE BEFORE YOU SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE VISION LOOKS LIKE BEFORE WE GO TO PUT IT OUT TO BID.

>> I THINK WE STILL HAVE $400,000 IN THE BUDGET FOR 102 MAIN, RIGHT?

>> WE DO.

>> WE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE THAN THAT.

>> YEAH. WE OPT IT A LITTLE.

DOES THIS NEED A VOTE, OR IS THIS JUST?

>> YES, GIVEN THE DOLLAR VALUE, IT'S BEYOND MY AUTHORITY, SO WE NEED APPROVAL FROM COUNCIL.

>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS?

>> NO, MA'AM.

>> NO, MA'AM.

>> NO, MA'AM.

>> ALL RIGHT. I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO FIRST READING OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 2025-08-21B.

DO I HAVE A MOTION?

>> CAN I MAKE A POINT OF ORDER? YOU CALL FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT, TOO, PLEASE.

>> DOES THE PUBLIC HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY?

>> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD TO GO.

>> THERE BEING NO PUBLIC COMING, WE GO FOR THE MOTION AGAIN.

>> MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE 2025-08-21B.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> DON'T NEED A RESOLUTION.

>> STILL A SECOND RESOLUTION.

>> VOTE ONE TIME, MY SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR.

>> I.

>> I.

>> ANY OPPOSED? RESOLUTION DECLARING THE CITY'S INTENT TO REIMBURSE

[C. RESOLUTION DECLARING THE CITY’S INTENT TO REIMBURSE EXPENDITURES FOR PROJECT COSTS OF TAX EXEMPT BONDS OR NOTES ANTICIPATED TO BE ISSUED IN THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF $7,500,000. (2025-08-21C)]

EXPENDITURES FOR PROJECT COSTS OF TAX-EXEMPT BONDS OR NOTES ANTICIPATED TO BE ISSUED IN THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF 7.5 MILLION, NUMBER 2025-08-21C.

MR. GRUBER, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THIS IS A MATTER WHAT I WOULD CHARACTERIZE AS MORE OF A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE HAVE ADOPTED THIS YEAR'S OPERATING BUDGET AND CAPITAL BUDGET.

WITHIN THE CAPITAL BUDGET, IT WAS INDICATED THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE GOING OUT AND BORROWING FUNDS TO PAY FOR, PARTICULARLY, OUR REAL PROPERTY CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE WERE WORKING ON.

THAT WAS APPROVED BY YOU BACK IN THE SPRING, AND SO NOW WE ARE MOVING FORWARD AND WORKING WITH OUR BOND COUNSEL AND OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS TO GET THAT TEED UP.

BUT AS WE'VE STARTED THE NEW FISCAL YEAR, WE'VE STARTED EXPENDING THOSE FUNDS, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE NOT YET BORROWED THE MONEY.

IN ORDER TO PAY OURSELVES BACK, WE HAVE TO ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION, WHICH ESSENTIALLY JUST ALLOWS US TO REIMBURSE OURSELVES FROM THOSE BOND PROCEEDS FOR WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT TOWARDS THE CAPITAL PROJECTS.

BUT THE NUMBERS AND THE PROJECTS ARE EXACTLY IDENTICAL AS TO WHAT WAS IN THE BUDGET, AND I'VE ASKED JOSH TO COME GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. I'VE GOT ONE SLIDE.

I KNOW ALL HAVEN'T SEEN ME SINCE BUDGET TIME [LAUGHTER] SLIDE.

TURNING OVER A NEW LEAF.

AS MR. GRUBER HAS INDICATED, WE HAD SIX PROJECTS TOTALING $7,047,000 THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVED FOR US TO FINANCE OVER 20 YEARS.

AS MR. GRUBER JUST STATED, WITH THE URGENCY OF THESE PROJECTS, WE'VE STARTED BECAUSE THE PROJECTS ARE APPROVED, WE'VE STARTED WORK ON THEM, BUT IN ORDER TO GIVE THE BANKS THE MAXIMUM COMFORT THAT WE CAN GIVE THEM AS THEY BID ON THIS, OBVIOUSLY, HOPEFULLY, THAT WORKS OUT TO MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BETTER RATE AND ALL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

TO GIVE THEM COMFORT, WE WANT TO HAVE THIS RESOLUTION SO THAT THEY'RE PERFECTLY CLEAR THAT WHEN THEY GIVE US MONEY, IT'S NOT FOR THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, BUT ALSO FOR THINGS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO DO.

[00:35:05]

WE'VE DONE WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS YEAR IN THE PAST, OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR HAS NEVER ASKED THAT WE DO THIS.

WE'RE GOING AHEAD AND DOING IT, IT'S JUST A BETTER WAY TO MORE OF A BELT AND SUSPENDERS APPROACH, THAT'S SIMPLY WHAT IT IS.

I'VE JUST LISTED THE SIX PROJECTS, I'M SURE YOU ALL REMEMBER THEM.

MANY OF THEM WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH JODI, AND AGAIN, IT'S A TOTAL OF 7,000,047.

YOU'LL SEE YOUR RESOLUTION HAS A MAX NOT TO EXCEED 7.5 MILLION.

THAT JUST ALLOWS FOR ANY ANOMALY IN THE RATES THAT WE GET IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN THAT'S UNFORESEEN.

WE DON'T WANT TO SAY WE HAD ORIGINALLY WRITTEN THIS AT 7.2 MILLION, BUT IF THE NUMBERS CAME IN AT 7.21, WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND RECREATE THE WHEEL.

BUT WE STILL EXPECTED TO BE EVERYTHING WE'VE HAD, WE TALKED TO THE FINANCIAL ADVISORS LATEST THREE O'CLOCK TODAY.

THIS IS ALL, EVERYTHING'S STILL GOING AS WE PLANNED, THAT'S WHY IT SAYS 7.5.

AS ANOTHER PIECE OF INFORMATION, THIS FINANCING IS ON THE STREET.

IT'S BEEN SENT TO I BELIEVE WE'RE NOW UP TO SENDING THIS OVER TO OVER 100 BANKS, ALL OF THE ONES THAT YOU WOULD SAY, THE LOCAL PEOPLE THAT WE'VE SEEN THEM TALK TO OVER THE YEARS, THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY ON THAT LIST, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING SOME OF THAT.

I ACTUALLY ANSWERED SOME QUESTIONS FROM ONE OF THE BIG-NAME BANKS EARLIER TODAY.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> DOES THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS, ANY QUESTIONS, OR DISCUSSION BY COUNSEL?

>> I DON'T. JOSH AND I, BECAUSE I WAS UNCLEAR, BUT JOSH EXPLAINED IT TO ME.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I CAN SEE AS A BOOKKEEPING THING, REALLY?

>> YES, SIR.

>> OVER TO THE CHAIR.

>> THE ONE OR TWO MAIN THAT'S GOING TO GO OUT TO BID BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

>> BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, YES.

>> BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR.

>> YES.

>> OKAY.

>> YOU TALK FINANCING, YOU TALK [OVERLAPPING].

>> THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION WORK, YEAH.

>> DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL.

>> NO, THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION.

>> THANK YOU.

>> DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO FIRST READING OF RESOLUTION 2025-08-21C?

>> MOVED.

>> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ANYONE OPPOSED?

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. MANAGER'S REPORT, MR. GRUBER, TAKE IT AWAY.

[XI. MANAGER’S REPORT]

>> YES, MA'AM. TWO ITEMS THAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS THIS EVENING.

FIRST, WE'VE TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT, BUT I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP AND LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE STAND WITH OUR CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH APAC FOR THE WORK ON ARGENT BOULEVARD AT THE INTERSECTION OF SHORTCUT ROAD.

AS WE DISCUSSED WHEN THAT WAS INITIALLY APPROVED BY YOU, WE WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH APAC TO, ONE, MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD THE CAPACITY TO TAKE ON THE PROJECT, AND TWO, TO DISCUSS HOW WE COULD STRUCTURE THE CONTRACT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD BE COMPLETED IN A TIMELY MANNER.

WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN BEING ABLE TO DO THAT.

WE ANTICIPATED THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD TAKE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN NINE TO 11 MONTHS TO COMPLETE.

WE'VE STRUCTURED THE CONTRACT WITH BOTH AN INCENTIVE AND A PENALTY.

THE INCENTIVE IS FOR EVERY DAY THAT THEY COMPLETE THE PROJECT PRIOR TO THE NINE-MONTH DEADLINE, WE WILL GIVE THEM AN INCENTIVE BONUS OF $2,500 UP TO A CAP OF $50,000 TOTAL.

THAT IS LESS THAN 1% OF THE TOTAL CONTRACT VALUE, BUT WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE AS AN INCENTIVE IF THEY WERE TO GET THE PROJECT DONE COMPLETED BEFORE WE ESTIMATED IT WOULD TAKE THEM.

SIMILARLY, IF THEY GO BEYOND 11 MONTHS, THEY WILL PAY A $2,500 PER DAY PENALTY WITHOUT A CAP FOR EVERY DAY THAT THEY ARE NOT COMPLETE BEYOND 11 MONTHS.

IF THEY'RE FOUR DAYS LATE, THAT'S A $10,000 CHECK, AND $10,000 FOR EVERY FOUR DAYS THAT THEY'RE LATE BEYOND THERE.

NOW, THERE ARE PROVISIONS THAT ARE BUILT IN, SHOULD WE HAVE A NATURAL DISASTER, STORMS, OR SOMETHING THAT IS BEYOND THEIR CONTROL TO PREVENT.

WE CAN BUILD IN SOME ADDITIONAL TIMELINE, BUT IF IT'S JUST DOWN TO THEIR PERFORMANCE, THEY WILL BE ON THE CLOCK, AND THEY WILL HAVE TO PERFORM PRIOR TO THAT EXPIRATION DATE.

OTHERWISE, THEY WILL PAY THOSE SIGNIFICANT PENALTIES.

THE SECOND ITEM I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS EVENING IS WE'RE GOING TO BE PERFORMING SOME IMPROVEMENTS HERE TO COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

BY THE TIME WE MEET AGAIN, I BELIEVE, I THINK THEY'RE STARTING NEXT WEEK.

[00:40:03]

WE'RE TIMING THIS, SO IT'S ON AN OFF CYCLE WHEN WE'RE NOT IN THIS ROOM, BUT OUR GOAL IS GOING TO BE TO INSTALL MONITORS AT EACH ONE OF YOUR STATIONS.

RATHER THAN HAVING TO TURN AND SOMETIMES TRY TO SQUINT AT WHAT'S BEING ON THE BOARD OVER THERE, YOU'LL HAVE A MONITOR STRAIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE ALL THE MATERIALS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED.

FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT, WE'RE GOING TO BE INSTALLING SOME MONITORS UP HERE ON THE WALL TO TRY TO GIVE THEM SOME MORE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WELL.

NOTHING REALLY STRUCTURAL, BUT SOME UPGRADES WITH OUR IT AND AUDIO VISUAL SYSTEMS, BUT JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP THAT BY THE TIME WE MEET AGAIN, THIS AREA IS GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT DOES NOW, AND THAT'S ALL THE THINGS I HAVE TO REPORT.

>> WE'LL START WITH MR. CARROLL.

>> DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO REPORT.

ONE REASON I WAS NOT HERE.

THE LAST MEETING WE HAD IS I HAD AN EMERGENCY MEETING AT THE LITTLE COUNTY COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS,

[XII. COUNCIL ISSUES AND CONCERNS]

AND I DID EXPLAIN TO THE MAYOR WHILE I WAS THERE TO TRY TO GET WE HAD AN EMERGENCY SITUATION CAME UP IN THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE NEEDED TO MEET.

THAT'S WHERE I WAS LAST WEEK.

OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T THINK I HAVE MUCH TO SAY.

I'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS SOME LOCAL ISSUES AND BRAG ON JOSH.

WHEN I CALLED, HE BACKED ME UP AND TRIED TO HELP ME OUT.

IN A WAY, I GET SOME CALLS THAT SOME OF Y'ALL DON'T GET, AND THEN PROBABLY VICE VERSA, VOW LIKE WE YOU HELPING HEAD LAKES AND SEE.

BUT ANYWAY, WE'RE TRYING TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT WE ALL GO RESPOND IF THEY CALL.

THAT WAS THE ONE PROMISE I MADE WHEN I RAN WAS THAT I WOULD RETURN CONSTITUENT CALLS, AND I'VE TRIED TO DO THAT, AND THAT'S ALL.

>> MR. WAYNE.

>> ATTENDED SOME GROUP MEETINGS AND AS COUNSEL ON SOME THINGS.

OTHER THAN THAT, NOTHING TO REPORT.

>> IT AMUSEMENT.

>> WELL, WE HAD THE I-95 GROUNDBREAKING.

THAT WAS QUITE A PROCEDURE.

IT WAS COUNCIL WAS ALL THERE.

THE PUBLIC WAS THERE, IT WAS QUITE THE SHOW.

THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY FOR THAT, IT WAS QUITE THE SHOW.

JOSH, DID YOUR WIFE GET HER SHOE BACK?

>> YES, SHE DID.

>> YEAH, THANKS TO JOE, WE ALMOST NEEDED A SCUBA DIVE.

I MEAN, IT WAS ABOUT THAT DEEP.

>> YEAH. HE WAS UP TO HIS SHOULDER.

>> HE WAS [OVERLAPPING].

>> TRYING TO FIND HER SHOE.

>> YEAH. DID YOU SEE THAT MAYOR?

>> NO, I MISSED IT.

>> YOU HAD THAT PIECE OF PLYWOOD.

>> RIGHT.

>> THEN IT WAS GRASS, LIKE FLOATING GRASS.

SHE TOOK ONE STEP OFF IT AND WENT ALL THE WAY ABOVE HER KNEES.

>> WOW [OVERLAPPING]

>> SUCKED IT, SO WHEN SHE PULLED HER LEG OUT, IT TOOK HER SHOE.

JOE HAD TO GO IN NOW.

>> HE HAD TO GO ALMOST ALL PAST HIS ELBOW TO GET IT.

>> OH, WOW. [OVERLAPPING]

>> WE STOOD AS A COUNCIL IN OUR THOUGHT PROCESS AND WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS BEST FOR THE SCHOOLS IN JASPER COUNTY.

I'M VERY PROUD OF THE COUNCIL FOR DOING THAT.

I GOT A SHORT PRESENTATION, DANIEL, ARE YOU READY BACK THERE?

>> CERTAIN.

>> WHEN I WAS BACK UP IN ILLINOIS, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT A FOOD TRUCK PARK, A VERY SMALL, BUT IT'S VERY SUCCESSFUL.

WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR FOOD TRUCK ORDINANCES AND THINGS HERE NOW.

WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS THIS PARK.

IT'S A LITTLE OVER AN ACRE, I BELIEVE.

THEY HAVE ROOM THERE FOR FOUR FOOD TRUCK VENDORS, AND I BELIEVE 10 OR 12 TENT VENDORS.

THERE'S THE PICNIC TABLES WITHIN THERE.

THEY HAVE A PORTA POTTY BACK THERE.

THERE'S A HAND WASH STATION IN THERE.

THE VENDORS ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN ELECTRICITY, WATER, AND ALL OF THAT.

IT'S A HARD SURFACE PARKING LOT.

HOW THEY OPERATE THIS, IS THEY PUT A CALENDAR OUT, AND THE FOOD VENDORS CAN PUT DOWN THE DAYS THAT THEY WANT TO WORK.

IT'S FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.

SOME DAYS THERE'S THREE VENDORS, SOME DAYS, THERE'S TWO, SOME DAYS THERE'S FOUR.

IT'S VERY SUCCESSFUL.

IT'S ABOUT THREE BLOCKS, FOUR BLOCKS OFF OF THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE, SO IT'S NOT INTERFERING WITH THE BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANTS, WHICH IS VERY GOOD.

THIS VENDOR HERE AND ANOTHER ONE CAME THAT I DIDN'T GET A PICTURE OF.

THEY'RE VERY SUCCESSFUL.

IT HAS WORKED OUT VERY WELL FOR THEM.

THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS HERE IN HARDEEVILLE, WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR ORDINANCES NOW FOR OUR FOOD TRUCKS.

I THINK THIS COULD BE A CONCEPT THAT WE COULD REALLY WRAP OUR ARMS AROUND AND THINK ABOUT.

WE'VE DISCUSSED THE NEW PARK BACK HERE.

[00:45:04]

WE HAVE THAT PARKING LOT BACK THERE FOR 271.

WE HAVE A HARD SURFACE PARKING LOT BACK THERE.

WE HAVE RESTROOMS ALREADY IN PLACE, WE HAVE HAND WASH STATIONS IN PLACE.

WE COULD BRING VENDORS THERE, INCORPORATED EVEN WITH A FARMERS MARKET, BOTH OF THEM PUT THERE TOGETHER.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS PARK BACK THERE BECOME MORE OF A DESTINATION AND USED NOT JUST FOR THE SPORTS COMPLEXES AND FOR OUR FESTIVALS THAT WE HAVE BACK THERE.

SOMETHING THAT WOULD BRING THE RESIDENTS OF MARGARITAVILLE, HILTON HEAD LAKE, SUN CITY DOWN TO OUR DOWNTOWN.

RIGHT NOW, MY SIDE OF THE ROAD, THEY ALL TURN RIGHT, AND THEY'RE GOING TOWARDS BLUFFTON.

THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THEY TURN LEFT AND GO TO BLUFFTON.

I WANT THEM TO COME DOWNTOWN, HAVE A REASON TO COME DOWN HERE.

I PUT THIS IDEA OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AND WITHIN A DAY AND A HALF, I HAD OVER 200 POSITIVE RESPONSES FOR THIS.

I BELIEVE IT WAS ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO, JENNIFER ORGANIZED A FOOD TRUCK EXPO THAT WE HAD BACK HERE.

IT WAS CRAZY, SUCCESSFUL.

THE PUBLIC DOES WANT THIS.

I KNOW THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, BUT I THINK IT'S A PROJECT THAT WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT AND MAYBE DEVELOPING IN THE FUTURE.

IT WOULD BE A GREAT USE OF THE PARK THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THIS EVENING. THANK YOU.

>> JUMPING OFF OF YOUR IDEA.

I WAS TALKING TO THE CITY MANAGER YESTERDAY AND THOUGHT ABOUT, MAYBE IT'S TOO LATE FOR THIS YEAR, BUT MAYBE NEXT YEAR, WHEN JUDO HUDSON PARK IS OVER, WE CAN HAVE MOVIES IN THE PARK.

>> USED TO DO THAT ALL TIME.

>> THAT MIGHT BE A GREAT AMENITY FOR OUR KIDS.

MOVIES IN THE PARK.

MAYBE THAT COULD BE COMBINED. I DON'T KNOW.

>> YES, MA'AM.

>> ANYWAY, WHAT I WANTED TO TALK TO LET EVERYONE KNOW WAS VERY ADAMANT ABOUT GETTING THE HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS THING DONE FOR OUR NON-GATED COMMUNITY POPULATION AND THE MAYOR, MYSELF, THE CITY MANAGER, AND A CRACKERJACK MEDIA TEAM GOT TOGETHER, AND THEY CAME UP WITH A FANTASTIC IDEA.

I BELIEVE THE VIDEO HAS DROPPED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

I PICKED IT UP FROM THERE, AND I DROPPED IT ON ALL THE PAGES THAT I HAVE ACCESS TO.

IT WAS FANTASTIC.

IT WAS DONE REALLY WELL, AND IT GAVE PEOPLE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE BEFORE A HURRICANE STRIKES WHAT TO DO WHEN IT STRIKES AND WHAT TO DO IN THE AFTERMATH.

I HAVE TO SAY A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR MEDIA DEPARTMENT FOR PULLING THIS OFF.

THEY DID A GREAT JOB WITH SHORT NOTICE, AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU WHO HELPED ME WITH THIS, PUT THIS TOGETHER WITH ALL YOUR IDEAS.

MR. MAYOR, I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU HELP TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS INFORMATION TO THE CHURCHES.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

MR. MAYOR, OVER TO YOU.

>> IT'S BEEN REAL BUSY, AS ALWAYS, BUT JUST TO BE REAL QUICK.

ON THE EIGHTH, YMCA HAD A BEAM SIGNING.

I SIGNED IT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, I THINK I SENT YOU A PICTURE, SAYS, HARDEEVILLE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

THAT WAS REALLY A COOL THING.

THEY'RE COMING ALONG.

I MET WITH THE Y YESTERDAY BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO SOLCO ON TUESDAY, AND THEY HAD SOME PICTURES THAT REALLY COMING ALONG.

EARLY 2026, I WENT TO THE KIWANIS MARGARITAVILLE CHAPTER.

ACTUALLY, IT'S THE HARDEEVILLE CHAPTER OF THE KIWANIS THEY HAD THEIR KICKOFF MEETING, AND THAT WAS SO CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM.

I WALKED AWAY WITH AN APPLICATION TO JOIN.

AS MR. MISMAN MENTIONED, WE WERE ALL OUT THERE AT I-95, AND THERE WAS QUITE AN ILLUSTRIOUS CROWD THAT CAME FOR THAT.

LATER THAT DAY, I CAME OVER TO THE LOW COUNTRY FOOD PANTRY, ONCE AGAIN, CAME AND GAVE OUT HOT MEAL AND GROCERIES TO ANYONE WHO WANTED TO DRIVE BY.

THEY DONE A NUMBER OF THESE.

[00:50:04]

MY THANKS GOES OUT TO THEM FOR TAKING PART IN GIVING OUR CITIZENS THESE FOOD GIVEAWAYS.

SATURDAY AT JASPER COUNTY PARK, THEY HAD A RIBBON CUTTING OF A NEW TRAIL.

THIS TRAIL WAS BUILT WITH A GRANT FROM THE BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD OF SOUTH CAROLINA, THEIR FOUNDATION.

WE HAD A LITTLE TOUR, AND ALL THESE YEARS, AND I NEVER REALLY WENT BACK ALL THE WAY.

IT'S REALLY A HIDDEN GEM.

WE HAVE A GREAT ASSET THERE.

ON MONDAY OF THIS WEEK, DIVERSITY NURSES ACADEMY OPENED RIGHT BY THE FARINO BUILDING ON ARGENT BOULEVARD BY SHORTCUT ROAD.

WHAT THIS FACILITY DOES IS A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS.

THE WOMAN IS FROM HARDEEVILLE, AND IT'S AN ACADEMY TO TEACH NURSES.

[BACKGROUND] THEY ACTUALLY DO THE TRAINING THERE.

NOT ONLY DO THEY GET CERTIFICATION, BUT THESE NURSES COULD ALSO GO OUT TO HOMES FOR IN HOME NURSING SERVICE.

IT'S A NEW FAMILY RUN BUSINESS IN HARDEEVILLE, AND I WANT TO WISH THEM A LOT OF LUCK.

IT WAS A GOOD OPENING.

I WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN KEMP, COUNTY CHAIR KEMP.

HE HELPED THEM GET A GRANT AND SEED MONEY.

ALSO, I WANTED TO POINT OUT THIS BUSINESS WAS TRAINED FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND HELPED BY MENTORS AT THE DON RYAN CENTER OF INNOVATION.

I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE THIS COUNCIL HAS, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, DECIDED TO SUPPORT THIS DON RYAN CENTER.

THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF OUR MEMBERSHIP IN THAT.

HOPEFULLY, AS THE YEARS PROGRESS AND WE REVITALIZE WHYTE HARDY BOULEVARD, WE'LL BE ABLE TO USE THE DON RYAN CENTER MORE TO HELP OUR NEW FAMILY BUSINESSES GET STARTED DOWNTOWN.

ALSO ON THE 18TH, USCB HAD THEIR CONVOCATION, WHICH I ATTENDED WITH MAYOR PERRY OF HILTON HEAD, AND DR. PENU I'LL PASS THIS AROUND, AND JOSH YOU CAN PUT IT SOMEWHERE.

THANK YOU, BECAUSE AS YOU RECALL, WE PASSED A PROCLAMATION EVERY YEAR, WELCOMING THE STUDENTS BACK.

IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK, PASS IT AROUND, AND, JOSH, IF YOU WANT TO DISPLAY THAT SOMEWHERE.

THEN THAT NIGHT, I HAD THE HONOR OF SWEARING IN THE NEW JASPER COUNTY COUNCILMAN, GENE CECCARELLI, WHO WAS RECENTLY ELECTED TO TAKE MARTY SAULS' POSITION ON THE COUNCIL THERE, AND I WANT TO WISH HIM AND JASPER COUNTY COUNCIL A LOT OF LUCK.

YESTERDAY, A NUMBER OF US WENT AND GOT THE POLL RESULTS.

IT WAS FOR BUFORD COUNTY.

THE HILTON HEAD REALTORS ASSOCIATION TOOK A POLL.

WE HOPED TO GET A FULL COPY OF THAT, AND A LOT OF INTERESTING THINGS CAME OUT OF THAT.

I WON'T GO INTO IT A LOT.

AT LUNCH TODAY, JOSH AND I ATTENDED THE SOUTH CAROLINA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

IT WAS A LUNCH IN.

BASICALLY, THEY CAME IN AND THEY DID ONE OF THOSE POLLS AND ASKED YOU QUESTIONS, AND YOU ANSWERED IT.

BUT ALL THE CHAMBERS WERE THERE.

BUFORD, HILTON HEAD, BLUFFTON, AND JASPER COUNTY, WERE ALL THERE.

IT WAS A GOOD EVENT.

LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE OUR MAYOR PARTE ON DOING A WONDERFUL JOB THIS EVENING AS BEING THE CHAIRPERSON OF THIS MEETING.

UNDER ONE HOUR.

ALTHOUGH I COULD KEEP TALKING FOR FIVE MINUTES.

[BACKGROUND] BUT NO, CONGRATULATIONS.

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MRS GUZMAN, YOU DID A WONDERFUL JOB.

>> THANK YOU. I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT ALL YOUR HELP, ESPECIALLY BRINA AND JOSH AND MRS CINDY OVER THERE.

I WAS SCARED.

[BACKGROUND]

>> MADAM CHAIR, I DID HAVE ONE LAST ITEM.

THIS IS HOT OFF THE PRESS, BUT JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED THE SETTLEMENT FUNDS FROM THE NICKEL PLATE SETTLEMENT.

THAT MATTER IS NOW CLOSED, AND THOSE FUNDS ARE IN OUR ACCOUNT.

>> ALL RIGHT. [BACKGROUND]

>> WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING?

>> SECOND A MOTION.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. LET'S GO.

> ALL IN FAVOR.

>> AYE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.