* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] THE APPROPRIATE HOUR AHEAD AND RIDE. I WOULD CALL THIS BEING ORDER. MY NAME IS JEFF FAR, I'M THE VICE CHAIR OF THE HONEYBELL AND ADMISSION. UM, AND WE'RE REALLY GRATEFUL TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY, HAVE A JOINT MEETING TO TALK, OR COLLEAGUES FROM RIDGEVILLE, ALSO FROM JASPER FAMILY, SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT WE HAD BEEN WANTING TO DO FOR A VERY LONG TIME. I THINK THERE'S A LOT WE COULD LEARN FROM EACH OTHER. AND PRIMARILY TODAY, WE'LL BE HAVING A PRESENTATION BY REPRESENTATIVES OF EACH OF THE FREE MUNICIPALITIES, UH, ABOUT THE, ABOUT PROS AND, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. AND I HOPE WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT WAYS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO IMPROVE WHAT WE DO THROUGH A COOPERATIVE RELATIONSHIP. UH, COOPERATION IS REALLY KEY. AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IS REGIONAL, NOT, NOT JUST USABLE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE REALLY ANXIOUS TO DO THIS. AND, UH, THE FIRST PRESENTATION IS FOR JASPER COUNTY AND VISA AVENUE. WE MAKE THAT PRESENTATION. I, I AM WO PLEASE. THANK YOU. IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR PLAN MISSION MEMBERS. UM, WE HAVE MR. ALEX PINTON. HE'S CHAIRMAN OF JASPER COUNTY CLEANING COMMISSION. UH, DR. BOS, RANDY, WAIT, THOMAS JENKINS, LEE GWIN, AND DR. BUTLER. SHE'S OUR VICE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS. JASPER COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. JASPER'S JOURNEY WAS UPDATED IN 2018. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. JASPER COUNTY'S COMMUNITY PRINCIPLES ARE TO PROTECT AND FOSTER THE RURAL CHARACTER OF JASPER COUNTY THAT DEFINES OUR SENSE OF PLACE. TAKE PRIDE IN ITS LAND THROUGH THE STEWARDSHIP OF HISTORIC, NATURAL, AND CULTURAL RESOURCES, AND REDUCTION IN LITTER AND LIFE SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES TO PROVIDE JOBS, EDUCATION, AND TRAINING TO OUR COMMUNITY. PRIORITIZE THE MAINTENANCE OF EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE OVER THE DEVELOPMENT OF NEW INFRASTRUCTURE, BY I AGREE AND DEVELOPMENT TO THE PLACES MOST SUITABLE TO SERVE NEW DEVELOPMENT. EMBRACE COLLABORATION WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTAL LEADERS, EDUCATION PROVIDERS, NON-GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY CHALLENGES AND EMBRACE OPPORTUNITIES, PARTICULARLY RELATED TO EDUCATION, EQUITY, AND LEADERSHIP. NEXT SLIDE. LEAS. UH, THIS IS DUE TO LAND USE MAP IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN. UM, THE DARKER YELLOW AREAS RIGHT AROUND THE MUNICIPAL, UM, LIMITS OF THE TOWN OF RICHLAND AND THE CITY OF VILLE ARE DESIGNATED AS URBAN TRANSITION. THE URBAN TRANSITION AREAS ARE POCKETS OF UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTIES THAT ARE PARTIALLY OR ENTIRELY SURROUNDED BY THE MUNICIPALITY FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPMENT, AND REZONINGS. WITHIN THESE AREAS, THE COUNTY RECOMMENDS WORKING WITH THE ADJACENT MUNICIPALITY FOR ANNEXATION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE LIAR, YELLOW AREA THAT ABUTS THE, UH, THE DARFORD YELLOW AREA. UM, THOSE AREAS ARE DESIGNATED AS RULE TRANSITION. THESE AREAS ARE LOCATED IN SOUTHERN JASPER COUNTY AND WILL LIKELY BE UNDER PRESSURE TO DEVELOP WITHIN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS IN EXISTING COMMUNITIES SUCH AS LEVY LIMEHOUSE SHOULD BE RESPECTFUL AND COMPLIMENT THE SCALE AND CHARACTER OF THE AREA. DEVELOPMENT CHARACTERISTICS INCLUDE SMALL SCALE, COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE DEVELOPMENT, DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES, RANGING FROM SMALL TO ESTATE, SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, DUPLEX, TRIPLEX, AND QUADPLEX BUILDINGS DESIGNED TO COMPLEMENT EXISTENCE, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THESE PINKISH COLORS MIGHT NOT LOOK PINK. EVERYONE, I'M NOT SURE REALLY WHAT THE COLOR IS. THEY'RE DESIGNATED AS HAMLETS. THESE AREAS [00:05:01] ARE LOCATED IN RURAL AREAS AT CROSSROADS. THE HISTORIC HAMLETS OF JASPER COUNTY WERE ONCE THE CENTER OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY SERVING EVERYDAY NEEDS. SOME OF THE OLD COUNTRY STORES REMAIN, WHILE MANY HAVE BEEN HALED, SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL THAT SUPPORTS THE RURAL COMMUNITY SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN THESE AREAS. THE COMPREHENSIVE CLAIMS STATES THAT A SPECIAL AREA CLAN SHOULD BE DEVELOPED FOR LEVY HAMLET, BECAUSE IT'S AT MOST RISK OF LOSING ITS CHARACTER IN THE BASIN. NEW DEVELOPMENT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. IN THE FALL OF 2023, UH, THROUGH SPRING OF 2024, JASPER COUNTY CONDUCTED A FIVE YEAR UPDATE TO THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH A FOCUS ON THE LAND USE AND COMMUNITY FACILITIES ELEMENTS. DURING THIS KIND U-HAUL, BROAD RIVER AREA WAS UNDER A MORATORIUM FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW TIME FOR THE PARTIAL UPDATE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. DURING THIS INITIAL PHASE, JASPER COUNTY ALSO CONDUCTED A REVIEW AND PREPARED UPDATES TO THE LAND USE REGULATIONS, PARTICULARLY PERTAINING TO THE U-HAUL BROAD RIVER PLANNING AREA. MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROPOSED LAND USE REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO THE U-HAUL. BROAD RIVER PLANETARY CAN BE VIEWED ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE AT THE ADDRESS THERE, WHICH IS, UM, WWW JASPER COUNTY SC DOTA UNDER, UH, SERVICES PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT. AND THEN THE U-HAUL OVERLAID DISTRICT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND THIS IS JUST A, UM, A BOUNDARY OF THAT AREA. THIS IS STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS. THE CLUB BASICALLY WOULD SERVE AS A BUFFER, UM, IMMEDIATELY, UM, TO THE SOUTH OF THE WAR CANAL IS THE CITY LIMITS OF HARVILLE AND THE HASH, THE YELLOW AREA IS THE TAIL OF RIDGELAND. UM, WE HAVE PROPOSED, UM, THIS MAP IS A EXACTLY RIGHT. THIS WAS THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE MAP, BUT, UM, WE HAD A TENANT ORDINANCE AND EVERYTHING WITHIN THE, THE, UM, URBAN TRANSITION AREA THAT ABUTS, UH, THE TOWN OF BRIDGELAND. WE'VE REMOVED THAT FROM, FROM, UM, FROM THE WORK WE'RE DOING AND, AND THE DRAFTS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED FOR THE U-HAUL OF THE LANE DISTRICT. SO JASPER COUNTY IS COMMITTED TO KEEPING JASPER RURAL GUIDING DEVELOPMENT, THE AREAS THAT HAVE APPROPRIATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH, SUPPORTING LANE CONSERVATION, PROTECTING OUR WATERWAYS AND NATURAL RESOURCES. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, COMMUNICATING AND PLANNING COLLABORATIVE COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE THE MUNICIPAL LIMITS ARE ADJACENT TO OR NEAR UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY. I JUST WANTED THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THE NEXT PRESENTATION FOR THE TOWN OF BRIDGELAND WILL BE AARON RUCKER. THAT'S ME. YEAH. HOW IS EVERYBODY? GOOD. SHE IT? GOOD TO BE HERE. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT GETTING TODAY YOU GIMME A SLIGHT, UH, OVERVIEW OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE TOWN ORIGINAL, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GET INTO GROWTH MANAGEMENT SPECIFICALLY AND WALK LINE THAT FOR YOU. BUT JUST A BRIEF INTRODUCTION TO WHO WE ARE ORIGINALLY PLANNING COMMISSION. WE GOT THE CHAIRMAN, FRANKIE DENMARK. HE'S WITH US TODAY. UH, RALPH RODINA, UH, VICE CHAIR. HE'S ABSENT. UH, SCOTT, DAVE, UH, ABSENT JOSS MOORE ON HIS WAY, UH, FROM THE SAVANNAH AIRPORT. SO YOU PROBABLY SEE HERE HIM HERE SHORTLY. AND LINDA REITZ, UH, WHO, UH, HAS NOT MADE IT, UH, YET EITHER. UH, BUT WE'RE A, A FORCE OF FIVE FOR PLANE COMMISSION, UH, AND THE TOWN ADMINISTRATION, OF COURSE, DENNIS, AVERAGE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR, AND MYSELF, ERIC RUTGERS, DIRECTOR OF, UH, PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT . SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, 2025, WE, WE JUST GOT DONE WITH THIS. IT, IT WAS ABOUT A ONE YEAR PLANNING PROCESS, UH, WITH ADOPTION, UH, IN JUNE OF 2025. BENCHMARK CONSULTING IS OUR CONSULTANT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. AND WE REALLY KICKED IT OFF WITH A, A COMMUNITY SURVEY. AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHO, WHO, WHO, WHO INVOLVED. YOU HEARD FROM, UM, 109 TOTAL PARTICIPANTS. UH, NOT GREAT, BUT NOT HORRIBLE EITHER. UH, AND THEN THERE'S SOME PERCENTAGES OF, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO WAS WHAT, YOU KNOW, OWNED IN TOWN, WORKED IN TOWN TO OWNED THE [00:10:01] BUSINESS, UH, AND TOP VALUES JUST QUICKLY, UH, TOP THERE, UH, UH, ALL RESPONDENTS, TOWN RESIDENTS AND NON-RESIDENTS. WE WERE ABLE TO BREAK THAT DOWN. UH, NUMBER ONE AND TWO, NATURE AND OAK SPACE AND SENSE OF COMMUNITY IS PRETTY MUCH ALL THROUGH, UH, THOSE CATEGORIES, UH, CONSISTENTLY IN THE TOP, UH, CONSERVES. UH, AGAIN, ALL RESPONDENTS, TOWN RESIDENTS AND NON-RESIDENTS. UH, ROADS NUMBER ONE. UH, AND, AND OR, UH, GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT NUMBER TWO, PRETTY MUCH JUST TO SAY. SO THAT'S WHAT'S ALL PEOPLE'S MINDS, AT LEAST HE TOOK THE SURVEY. UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, SO A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT SURVEY AND THE RESPONSES THAT WE GOT. UM, RECREATION. SO A QUESTION, WERE YOU, ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, PARKS, AND OPEN SPACES AVAILABLE TO YOU? THAT'S JUST PRETTY SPECIFIC TO , RIGHT? BUT I THINK IT KIND OF FEEDS INTO MORE OF A REGIONAL, UH, DISCUSSION. UH, FOLKS REALLY, UH, ARE, UH, HAPPY, RIGHT? THERE'S NOT ENOUGH FACILITIES IN, IN, IN THE TOWN OF RICHMOND. UH, THE, THE BELOW, UH, AND THE LOWER LEFT, UH, WAS A, UH, UH, PART OF THE SURVEY. THEY ASKED WHAT ARE THE MOST, UH, CATEGORIES THAT STOOD OUT, THE BIGGER THE, THE WORD, THE, THE MORE IT WAS MENTIONED. AND SO YOU SEE, UH, A RECREATION CENTER THERE, THAT WAS PRETTY BIG, RIGHT? UH, THE PACE OF GROWTH, UH, OVERALL, IT SEEMED LIKE PEOPLE, UH, THINK IT'S GOING A LITTLE TOO FAST WITH THE TOWN OF BRIDGER. UH, AND THEN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, FOLKS ARE WORRIED ABOUT, UH, UH, WATER QUALITY IS AND OPEN SPACE PRESERVATIONS PRIMARILY. UH, SO AGAIN, JUST IDEAS FOR, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY THE BRIDGE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE NOW AWARE OF AND WORKING ON AND JUST FOR THE REGION. SO, UH, NEXT SLIDE. SO THAT THE VISION, UM, UH, THAT PROCESS LED TO AN OVERALL VISION, UM, WITH, AGAIN, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S POPPING OUT, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING JOBS AND POINT OF BUSINESS, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, WAS A BIG ONE, UH, IMPROVED DOWNTOWN. UM, THAT'S SPECIFIC TO, UH, TO REGION. BUT THAT THEN HELPED CREATE THE DIVISION STATEMENT, WHICH OUR REGION STRIVES TO MAINTAIN OUR SMALL TOWN CHARM, WHILE GROWING IN A MANNER THAT RESPECTS OUR TRADITIONAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND OUR VALUABLE CULTURAL, NATURAL RESOURCES. WE, WE SEEK TO STRENGTHEN OUR DOWNTOWN, OUR ECONOMY AND OUR COMMUNITY IDENTITY. MOVING FORWARD, WE'LL WORK WITH OUR NEIGHBORS TO ENSURE THAT REGION BUILDS OFF AND HELPS IMPROVE THE LOW COUNTRY AS A WHOLE. SO LET'S TIE IN HERE, I THINK, UH, FOR FORWARD, WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY, . SO, UH, OUT OF THAT WHOLE PROCESS, UH, WE ALSO WERE ABLE TO, UH, CATEGORIZE 60 GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR LIN. AND OUT OUTTA THE SIX I'M CONCENTRATE ON THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT, UH, GUIDING PRINCIPLE NUMBER ONE FOR PURPOSES. DID A NEXT SLIDE. LOUIS. UH, SO, UH, THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT GUIDING PRINCIPLE, UM, THERE ARE MANY, UH, BULLETS, BUT THE ONE I THOUGHT MOST, UH, IMPORTANT FOR TODAY WAS, UH, UTILIZING GROWTH MAP FEATURE, LAND USE MAP TO GUIDE IN DIRECT DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD A ATTEMPT RIDGE HAD ONE BEFORE THIS. SO, UH, THEY, UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO SAY THAT WE HAVE NOT BROKE MAP, UH, GROWTH MAP, UH, IDENTIFY AND TARGET ANNEXATION PRIORITIES TO CONSIDER FUTURE WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE, AS WELL AS EMERGENCY SERVICE PROVISION AND ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES AS A GUIDEPOST, AFFORDABLE GROWTH, RIGHT? SO THIS IS ALL PART OF WHAT WE'RE, UH, CONSIDERING WHEN, UH, UH, PROPOSALS COME BEFORE RA THAT MIGHT OTHERWISE BE IN CAMP, SUPPORTING INFILL DEVELOPMENT, UH, WITH POTENTIAL TO PROVIDE COMMERCIAL RETAIL AMENITIES OR FOSTER DOWNTOWN ACTIVITY. THAT WAS BIG PART OF WHAT WE HEARD DOWNTOWN, UH, REDEVELOPMENT. UH, WE'RE CLOSELY WITH JA PI COUNTY TO ANNEX IT OWN HOLES, RIGHT? SO THAT'S ONE OF OUR, UM, GOALS THAT WE LIKE TO SEE, UH, FINALLY COORDINATE WITH, UH, S-C-D-O-T AND JASPER CADD TO IMPLEMENT NEEDED TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, WHEREVER THOSE MAY BE. UH, LET'S, LET'S HAVE ONIC COMMUNICATION ON THAT. UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO I MENTIONED THAT GROWTH MAP. THIS IS THE GROWTH MAP THAT WAS CREATED OUT OF THIS, UH, PROCESS. UH, AND THERE ARE CATEGORIES, RESTRICTED DEVELOPMENT, SECONDARY GROWTH, PRIMARY INFO DEVELOPMENT APPROVED AND DEVELOPED LAND. AND IN THE BOLD IS THE ACTUAL ALLY OF THE TOWN ORIGINAL. UM, SO I'LL GET INTO THAT IDEA FOR IT. NICE SLIDE, PLEASE. SO THE FIRST CATEGORY IS RESTRICTED, UH, RESTRICTED LANDS. THESE ARE, UH, AREAS FLOAT AWAY FROM THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES. UH, THERE, UH, CONSTRAINTS WITH WETLANDS, FLOODPLAINS, VID CONSERVATION, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE RURAL. UH, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT GROWTH GENERALLY DISCOURAGED, RIGHT? [00:15:01] AND PARTICULARLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TOWN OF RIDGELAND, UH, THERE'S THE OAK T HUNTING CLUB, RIGHT? SO FOR US, THAT'S KIND OF ALMOST THE NATURAL GROWTH BOUNDARY, RIGHT? THAT'S RESTRICTED TO LOW DEVELOPMENT. UH, AND, AND THE USES THAT ARE GOING ON THE NOW. UH, BUT THERE ARE OTHER AREAS YOU SEE. SO THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN, WITHIN THE WHITE AREA, IF YOU WILL, THOSE AREAS THAT WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO MORE FOCUS ON. HOWEVER, GETTING TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THERE ARE SECONDARY AREAS THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER, RIGHT? AND, UM, THOSE ARE IN YELLOW. SO THESE ARE CLOSE, BUT, UM, THEY'RE MAYBE NOT IDEAL BECAUSE THEY LACK, UH, SOME INFRASTRUCTURE, DISTANCE OF PROXIMITY. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WILLING TO CONSIDER THESE AREAS. WHAT WHAT I WANTED WOULD LIKE TO BE TOO, IS, UH, WORK WITH, UH, JASPER COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT? THEY FIGURE OUT, UH, THE URBAN TRANSITION AREAS AND HOW THAT MIGHT OVERLAP, OVERLAP WITH OUR SECONDARY AREAS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. CK GETS SOME SYNERGIES THERE TOGETHER. OPERATION ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, PRIOR AREA, THESE ARE THE AREAS, UH, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE, ON THE WESTERN SIDE, SOUTH, SOUTH OF WESTERN SIDE OF TOWN THAT WE REALLY HAD HAVE IDENTIFIED THEY WERE IDEAL, RIGHT? UM, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY JUST, THEY MAY LACK SOME INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THESE AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D REALLY LIKE TO FOCUS ON IN THE FUTURE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. INFILL REDEVELOPMENT. UM, THAT, THAT ALSO IS SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO DO, UH, IN EITHER, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, DEVELOP OR, UH, DEVELOP, UH, OR DENSITY. OR DENSITY THEN COULD BE SUPPORTED IN THESE PRIME LOCATIONS. SOME OF THAT MIGHT BE, UH, DONUT IN FILM, UH, YOU KNOW, ANNEXATION INTO THE TOWN. UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST, UH, PUTTING, PUTTING IT ON RADAR AS AN IDEA. UH, NEXT SLIDE BREAKS, AND THIS WILL SHOW US ALL OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE APPROVED. THEY, THEY'RE, UH, THEY MAY NOT BE DEVELOPED YET, BUT THEIR CURRENT WILL BE . BUT SOME OF THOSE ENTITLEMENTS SHOULD BE, KNOW, ARE QUITE HIGH, UH, WHETHER WE WOULD EVER SEE THOSE KINDS OF ITIES UH, IDLE LOW, UH, IT HASN'T, IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET. UH, IT'S MOSTLY WHAT I'M TALKING TO YOU ABOUT IS TO THE, UH, TO THE YEAST, UH, WITH GOOD HOPE AND THE GENESIS, UH, UH, SPECIAL HISTORIES. UH, RECENTLY NIRA CAME IN, UH, THAT'S ON THE, UH, WEST, WEST SIDE OF THE, UH, THE MAP THERE. UH, 1300 UNITS. SO WE HAVE SOME ENTITLEMENTS, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY SITTING IN JUST, I THINK IT'S JUST UNDER 2000 ENTITLEMENTS RIGHT NOW. IF YOU DON'T INCLUDE THE LARGE GOOD HOPE OR GENESIS THAT I MENTIONED, IF YOU INCLUDE THOSE WE'RE LIKE 20,000, RIGHT? BUT AGAIN, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THAT DEBT ACTUALLY EARTH IS VERY ALIKE. UH, NEXT SLIDE IS, OKAY, SO THIS, UH, THIS IS DEVELOPED LAND, RIGHT? THIS IS EVERYTHING THAT'S ALREADY DEVELOPED. IT'S PROBABLY ALREADY ACHIEVING IT'S BEST USE, UM, AT THE, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, UH, LAND USE CATEGORY OR, UH, CATEGORY THAT IT IS, UH, MOSTLY WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW OF AS YOU KNOW, TOWN GREEN, RIGHT? WE TRY AND IT MIGHT BE THE, YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO PROVIDE, JUST AN OVERVIEW OF, OF OUR CONFERENCE PLAN, WHAT, WHERE WE ARE, AND HOW WE MAY CAN COORDINATE FUTURE. THANK YOU. YOU, OUR REFERRED PRESENTATION FOR FORGO WILL BE , THE DIRECTOR OF FAITH, ERNEST NEW THANK YOU. AND WELCOME EVERYBODY TO 30 GU. UM, ALSO ALL WANTED TO, I HEARD FROM MR. FOREMAN. WE ALSO READ OUR ZILLOW D KEN AND PLAN AND PEPE, UM, FROM OUR PLAN REPRESENTING OUR PLANNING COMMISSION DAY, OR WE'RE VERY HAPPY. WE ALSO HAVE A PEAK HELPS, UM, THAT IS ALSO A PLUS. UM, WE'VE BEEN ENCOURAGED BY PLANNING COMMISSION COUNCIL TO, TO GET THIS ORGANIZED. THIS, I'M GLAD WE WERE FINALLY ABLE TO DO IT. UM, WE'VE HAD LOTS OF PROJECTS WHERE WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER. SO, UM, I DECIDED TO START WITH ANNEXATION. UH, I AM BEING A LITTLE BIT OF A, A PLAGIARIST, I GUESS. UM, TAKING FROM MATT DAVIS, OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER ON A PLANNING AND A PRESENTATION HE DID, I JUST ADDED SOME COMP PLAN STUFF TO IT AT THE END. SO, UH, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ANNEXATION AND WHAT OUR THOUGHTS ARE FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE. AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO WORK ON ARE, WE JUST GOT BACK RFPS FROM CONSULTANTS, AND YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF SELECTING A CONSULTANT TO BEGIN OUR YEAR LONG PROCESS ON UPDATING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT, AND I'LL GET A LITTLE BIT MORE [00:20:01] INTO THAT AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. SO THANK YOU DAN DANIELS, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OR, UH, IT SHOULD, WE SHOULD LOOK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR GUIDANCE ON HOW WE SHOULD ANNEX, WHERE WE SHOULD ANNEX, IF WE SHOULD X, UM, AND MATH, IDENTIFY AND FOLLOW LOGICAL BATTERIES. I THINK IN THE PAST ACROSS SOUTH CAROLINA, IT'S JUST BEEN, OH, WE WANT IT, WE GO. AND, UM, THAT'S NOT THE CONCEPT THAT CITY PARTY GOAL IS LOOKING AT FROM ANY PERSPECTIVE. UM, AND ESTABLISHED CRITERIA, PARENT ANALYSIS OF EXISTING MFO SERVICES AND INTACCT FEASIBILITY STUDY. UM, IN THE PAST, HARDEE GOAL ANNEXED, UM, SOME OF THESE LARGE TEMPLATE TRACKS, THEY'VE BEEN ENTITLED FOR 20 SOMETHING YEARS NOW. 20 YEARS. UM, AND WE'RE DEALING WITH HOW TO ACCEPT THOSE ENTITLEMENTS AND MANAGE THAT GROWTH AND WORK WITH THEM, UM, FOR FUTURE LAND USE PURPOSES. SO THAT'S, UM, THE BACKGROUND OF WORLDY. WANT ANNEXATION TO START BUILDING. UM, WHY IS SADDLE IS YOUR POLICY? UH, FIRST OF ALL, TO AVOID DUPLICATION OF SERVICES, UH, LOGICAL PROVISION OF SERVICES HISTORICALLY, COUNTY ENCOURAGED ANNEXATION. UH, WHEN I FIRST STARTED HERE, WE HAD THE, THE JOINT CLEANING AREA. AND I THINK, UH, LISA AND I WORKED ON THAT A GOOD BIT TOGETHER. UH, BUT IT GOT VERY CONFUSING ON, ON WHICH PLANE YOU'RE FOLLOWING, WHICH, UH, ORDINANCES. AND IT WAS JUST ABOUT ANNEXE AND, AND ENTITLEMENTS. IT WASN'T ABOUT HOW INFRASTRUCTURE SERVICES, ANY OF THAT WAS GOING HAVE, UM, PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INCREASE LOCAL TAX BASE, PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY FOR JOB CREATION, SITS AT ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS, PROTECT THOSE AT ALL COSTS. AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WHAT, WHAT I'VE HEARING FROM EVERYBODY THAT HAS SPOKEN TODAY, AND I'VE CERTAINLY A HIGH ON OUR PRIORITY LESS SCHOOLS IMPLEMENT THE PLAN BY ESTABLISHING A DESIGNATED GROWTH AREA AND TO MAKE, GET OUR DOUBLE GOVERNMENTAL COOPERATION. NOT A, WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OUR ANNEXATION POLICY IS IT'S NOT A DEVELOP UP TO WIDE, BUT A DO NOT GO BEYOND LIGHT. SO IT DOESN'T MEAN JUST BECAUSE OUR BOUNDARY IS IS WHERE IT IS THAT WE'RE GONNA BUILD ALL THE WAY OUT THERE, OR WE ARE GONNA ANNEX ALL THE WAY OUT TO THOSE LINES, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT SMALLER. SO HERE'S OUR GROWTH BOUNDARY IN THE, IN THE PINK, UM, THE BRIGHT FEET. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, AS WE'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF TIMES TODAY TOO, OKT CLUB TO THE NORTH AND AND WEST OF, OF UPPER PORTIONS, WE, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE NEVER GOING PAST THAT. WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING PAST ONE 70 WHERE IT IS OVER THERE BY OLDVILLE. UH, AND THAT IT FOLLOWS, BASICALLY FOLLOWS THREE 15 AND THE RED PORT, UM, TO THE WEST AND, UM, IN THAT DIRECTION. SO IT FOLLOWS THOSE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ALLIGATOR ALLEY. SO, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF DOME HOLES IN THE AIR, A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD BE FILLED ON AREAS THAT MAY NOT BE BUILDING THERE. I THINK MORE IMPLANTATIONS IN THERE AND SOME OTHER THINGS ARE IN THERE. UM, BUT IT IS, DOES GIVE US SOMETHING TO WORK WITH. AND IS THERE ANY INTENTION, IS IT A GOOD IDEA TO GO OUTSIDE OF THAT BOUNDARY BASED ON OUR POLICY? BASED ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? ABSOLUTELY. NO, THAT'S NOT WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING. UM, SO SINCE THE ANNEXATION NOW WHERE IT WAS PUT IN PLACE IN 2021, THESE ARE THE ANNEXATIONS THAT I HAVE OCCURRED. UH, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, ONLY ONE WAS, UH, PRESENTED THAT, UH, THESE ARE ANNEXATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED, EXCUSE ME, THEY HAVE BEEN ADOPTED. 'CAUSE THE WHAT, WHAT NOW HAS NOT BEEN ADOPTED. IT'S UNDER CONSIDERATION AS WITH AS IS, UM, TO THE BOTTOM THREE THERE. BUT THE, UM, BUT THE PORT LOGISTICS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS BEEN INCLUDED THAT WAS OUTSIDE THE GREAT BOUNDARY. AND, UM, SO WE, WE'VE LOOKED REALLY PRETTY STRONG ABOUT KICKING THAT AND, AND FOCUSING ON THAT MAINLY FOR SERVICES, MAINLY FOR PROTECTING THESE RESOURCES AND FOLLOWING GUIDELINES OF OUR COMPANY PLAN. SO FINALLY WE GET TO WHAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO DIVE INTO, UH, WHICH IS, UM, A 12 MONTH PROCESS ANTICIPATED. WE KNOW IN OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT WORLD, IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE LONGER, BUT THAT'S WHAT, UM, WE PUT OUT IN OUR RSP. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HIKING. WE STAND BY. WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE MULTIPLE STAKEHOLDER INPUT OPPORTUNITIES, MULTIPLE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS AND OPEN HOUSES ONLINE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, [00:25:01] WE, WE PUT IN THE RFP. BUT, UM, I THINK THE CONSULTANTS THAT RESPONDED REALLY JUMPED ON THAT AND MAKING IT A VIRTUAL PROCESS. SO, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN REALLY TELL US WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY WANT AND, AND NOT ALWAYS HAVE TO COME TO CERTAIN MEETINGS. THAT ALSO, UH, GIVES US THE ADVANTAGE OF REACHING OUT TO OTHER PEOPLE. WE HAVE THE FESTIVAL COMING UP. WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE CAN CERTAINLY REACH OUT AND FIND OUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY OUGHTS AND WORK WITH OUR NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS AND, UH, OTHER, OTHER AGENCIES. COORDINATION IS NEEDED. UM, WE HAVE A VISION IN PLACE THAT WE'VE HAD FOR A, A NUMBER OF YEARS. IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. VILLES BORN IN SUCH AN INCREDIBLE RATE. IT'S KIND OF A, BEYOND THE BELIEF HOW FAST WE'RE GROWING OR ACTUALLY BUILDING AND DEVELOPING SOME OF THESE LENS THAT HAVE BEEN ENTITLED. UM, WE'VE GOT UPDATE THAT VISION AND MAKE SURE THAT IT IS STICKING TO OUR TRUE THOUGHTS AND, AND CONTENTIONS. BUT, UM, CAN, CAN, CAN ACCOMMODATE THIS GROWTH, IDENTIFY AND ADDRESS SHARED CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, WE, WE ALL HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE AND WORK ON A CHANGE IN A NEGATIVE WAY, BUT IT REFINE WHAT WE ELECT WITH OUR GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN JOHNSBURY COUNTY AS A WHOLE. AND, UM, WE'VE NEVER HAD, AS RICH MENTIONED, A TRUE FUTURE LAND USE. NOW WE'VE HAD A FUTURE LAND USE NOW, BUT IT'S BASED ON ALL THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENTS WE HAD. AND NOW IT'S TIME TO THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY, SOME OF THEM GET DEVELOPED. WE KNOW WHAT'S WHAT WE WANT IN DIFFERENT AREAS AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT, UM, MAKE A TRUE BLUEPRINT FOR OUR BIRTH AND DEVELOPMENT CALLED COMP PLAN. AND SO THAT'S A BIG THING THAT, UM, KBI HAVE INTENDED AND WANT TO WORK WITH. WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON OUR GS PROCESS AND ALL OF THAT. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT PORTION. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE NEW RESILIENCY, UH, ELEMENT HARDY V IS PRETTY MUCH 100% IN THE LOW COUNTRY 'CAUSE WE'RE WET FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. UH, I THINK THE, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THIS STORM WATER WORK WITH OUR NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS AND, UM, TRY TO FIND SOME ANSWERS. SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY, WE HAVE A NEW COMMUNITY, WE HAVE OLD COMMUNITY THAT'S BITTEN HERE FOR YEARS AND WE WANNA BRING 'EM TOGETHER. THAT'S WHAT THAT LAST GRAPHIC IS, AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO OFFER TODAY. UH, I HOPE THAT WE CAN HAVE A NICE DISCUSSION AND, UH, MAKE A PLAN TO WORK TOGETHER MORE IN THE FUTURE FOR THE LITIGATIONS. THANK YOU. UH, I'D LIKE TO TRY AND TO FACILITATE A LITTLE DISCUSSION. GOT ALL THESE BIG BRAINS IN THE ROOM AND, UH, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCES FROM ALL OF OUR, UH, THREE DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES. AND I THINK WE HAVE REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION. BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, WE'RE JOINING THE PUBLIC OFFICIALS. WANT, SAY ANYTHING, STEVE? I'D LIKE TO SPEAK AS A CITIZEN. A PARDON? BILL FAILED THE FAILURE OF COOPERATION. THIS LED TO A VERY UGLY PROJECT ON 2 78. ONE THAT NO WAY SHOULD BE PROUD. THEY HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO CLEAR CUT LAND, TAKE HERITAGE TREES OUT. THEY HAVE CLEAR CUT RIGHT AFTER THE HIGHWAY. THAT'S NOT WHAT ANY OF US WANT. SOMEWHERE IN THE SYSTEM OF COOPERATION COULD FAIL. YOU GENTLEMEN HAVE TO WORK. SO THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN AGAIN, NOT IN HARVILLE, NOT RIDGELAND OR NOT ANYWHERE IN JASPER. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE ENVISION THE LOW COUNTRY HA FUND SPEAKING FOR ALL OF THEM. WE WANNA PRESERVE OUR LAND, WE WANNA PROTECT OUR LAND, BUT WE CAN CONTINUE THIS. WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT COOPERATION. AND I, THERE AGAIN, I'M SPEAKING AS A RESIDENT OF HARDY BILL. UH, I'VE BEEN CLOSE TO DEVELOPMENT. I SEE THAT EVERY DAY. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR ACCESS PLANS ON THE 2 78, 2 70 EIGHT'S ALREADY A FAILING ROAD RECORDING TO THE STATE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT. WE RUSH IN AND MADE OF A SEAT. LET'S NOT DO IT AGAIN. THANK YOU. JOHNSTON. HERMAN, JESS PENN, FIVE YEARS AES. THIS FIVE YEARS BONGO, ANYBODY GOES THROUGH BONGO IS MADE A NINE NINE OF, WE ARE NINE, NINE ERS. WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. THIS ALL HAPPENED BECAUSE THE ENTITIES OF JEFF, PENN, BARNEY, BILL, LIN AND JASTER, ME, DEMARS [00:30:01] AND ME MEET EVERY MONTH FOR A LUNCH. WE WATCH SHARE SOURCE YOUR CARD THAT WE HAVE TO DEVELOP TOGETHER, NOT SEPARATE. PLEASE BE THERE. LEARN. GO. THE OTHER PEOPLE ARE IN A GROUP FROM OTHER CAN, I MEAN FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WORK TOGETHER. WE NEED THANK, THANK YOU JUDGE, AND DOES A VERY, DURING THE, THE MISSION, ANYTHING COMMUNITY SAY I'LL BE ROSE AS ORIGINAL. I, ALL I'M WANT TO DO IS AS COUNCIL MEMBER AND AS A CITIZEN OF ORIGINAL SPER COUNTY IS APPALLED WHAT'S BEING DONE. THANK, UH, TREVOR KEMP AND GOES THE, THE MEETING WITH HIM. AND WE DO, WE NEED TO DO THIS. I'VE GROWN UP, I DON'T KNOW WHY 'CAUSE I NEVER SAW IT, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS SEEMED TO BE, UH, CONFLICT OR CHELSEA OR SOMETHING BETWEEN TWO WARS, UH, TRUMPET'S BEHALF AS AS, UH, MUNICIPALITIES. BUT THEY ALWAYS, I GUESS IT STARTED IN SPORTS AND THEN YOU BAIL THAT ON, CUT THE JUJU HU I THINK HE JUST BE THERE LIKE IRAQ, . UH, BUT THIS IS GOOD PERMISSIONS, UH, FOR EDDIE . WILLIAM NEEDS TO GET TOGETHER. I THINK THIS TURNOUT IS, UH, GREAT. UM, AND, UH, NOTHING BUT GOOD WILL COME FROM THIS, UH, US GETTING TO KNOW EACH OTHER, HAVING A CUP OF COFFEE. UM, IT'S JUST, WE JUST GOTTA PUT OURSELVES OUT AND DO THAT. UH, JUST SACRIFICE A LITTLE POWER. WE GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER. LITTLE POWER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. WHAT WAS IT? I DON'T, UM, PRIVATE CITIZEN, STEVE MESMAN MENTIONED SOMETHING AND IT REALLY ALL COMES DOWN TO RESPECTING EACH OTHER. THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES, THE LINES OF ANNEXATION, THE DONUT BOWLS THAT ALL WERE DISCUSSED UP HERE. WE HAVE TO RESPECT EACH OTHER'S POSITION. AND WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF BAD BLOOD INCIDENCES BECAUSE THE CITY OF HARVILLE DID NOT WANT CERTAIN THINGS AND THEN JASPER COUNTY DID IN ANY WAY. AND THAT'S NOT REALLY RESPECTING EACH OTHER'S POSITION. THAT THING THAT MR. MESMAN REFERRED TO IS, IS ONE EXAMPLE OF THAT HAPPENING. UH, THAT'S A DON CALL THAT WILL, WILL EXIST. AND UM, IT'S GOING TO CREATE PROBLEMS AS HE MENTIONED. UM, WE ARE FACED WITH A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS COMING UP. THEY WERE ON A SLIDE. IF WE DON'T PASS THEM AND THEN JASPER COUNTY DOES, THEN THAT LACK OF RESPECT WILL COME FORWARD YET AGAIN. AND IT WILL NOT RESPECT OUR DOMINION OVER THE AREA THAT SURROUNDS OUR CITY. SO WHAT I'M ASKING EVERY ONE OF US AND CHAIRMAN KEMP AND I TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION DAILY, UM, THAT WE HAVE TO, IN WORKING TOGETHER, IF THE CITY HAS SOMETHING NEXT TO IT AND WE CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE IT, THEN WE ASK THAT THAT DECISION BE RESPECTED AND AND VICE VERSA. AND THAT GOES FOR ANY ONE OF THE THREE JURISDICTIONS, UM, THAT WE, WE REPRESENT. SO PLEASE, I ASK YOU, BECAUSE IT ALL STARTS WITH YOU TO RESPECT THOSE DECISIONS. IF WE, WE, BEING A MUNICIPALITY REJECT SOMETHING, PLEASE RESPECT THAT AND NOT LET IT HAPPEN. AND DON'T LET PEOPLE COME IN. THERE'S A, THERE'S A POLICY THAT IF IT'S NEXT TO THE MUNICIPALITY, THEY'RE TO COME FOR, UM, ANNEXATION REQUEST. AND, AND I'VE SAID SOMETHING, [00:35:01] I'VE SAID IT OFTEN. IF YOU DON'T WANT SOMETHING, IF YOU DON'T WANT GROWTH THAT YOU DON'T WANT, YOU OUGHT TO PROTECT THE AREAS FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVE AREAS. YOU HAVE A LOT OF RURAL PRESERVATION. DON'T CHANGE THE ZONING AND YOU ELIMINATE THE GROWTH IN THAT AREA. AND, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO, WE'VE MADE THAT MISTAKE TOO. YEAH. NONE OF US ARE NEW FROM MAKING MISTAKES, SO, UM, I JUST ASKED YOU TO KEEP THOSE THINGS IN MIND AND THANKS FOR YOUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU. UM, I'M, I'M GONNA ASK IF ANYBODY, UH, IF ANYBODY PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAD ANYTHING THEY WANT TO SAY? I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I MIGHT IF THAT SORT OF BOUNCE AROUND WITH PEOPLE AFTERWARDS, BUT I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION. PART OF THE, THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE SEEN RECENTLY IN THE HARDY BELT AREA HAS TO DO WITH WHAT YOU GUYS ARE CALLING ENTITLEMENTS. AND I SUPPOSE THAT MEANS PDD PLANS THAT WERE MAYBE ISSUED LONG AGO BEFORE YOU GUYS GOT HERE. IS IT NOT POSSIBLE TO PUT A, A, A DROP DEAD DATE ON THESE ENTITLEMENTS? WHY SHOULD THEY, FROM 2007 OR NINE OR WHATEVER YEAR IT WAS, BE GRANTED THE RIGHT TO BUILD THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF HOUSES THAT NOW DON'T FIT INTO OUR COMMUNITY? UH, WE'RE BEING OVERRUN. SO THAT'S A QUESTION I HAVE. AND I WOULD ALSO SAY I, I KNOW THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT, UM, THE PEOPLE IN HARDY BILL ARE DEALING WITH AND THE PEOPLE IN THE RURAL AREAS WHO ARE REPRESENTED BY THE COUNTY COUNCIL, NOT THE CITY OF HARDY THAT THEY HAD FACED TRYING TO GET THEIR, THEIR MESSAGE ACROSS, SAVE OUR RURAL COMMUNITIES. EVERY, EVERYBODY THAT'S SPOKEN NOT, UH, THE, UH, OUR ADMINISTRATORS, THE PEOPLE WE RELY ON TO GUIDE US, THEY, THEY GIVE A NOD TO PROTECTING THE RURAL AREAS, YET THE EXECUTION OF THAT IS A FAILURE. AND YOU SEE IT ALL ACROSS THIS COUNTY. UH, THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS I KNOW THAT WE'RE THE FIRST SPOT IN THIS PROCESS, BUT WE ARE A RECOMMENDING BODY AND THE, THE RESPONSIBILITY FALLS ON THE COUNTY COUNCIL. I THINK WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB. UM, UH, SMART MAN TOLD ME THAT IT'S HARD FOR THE COUNCILS WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF PROTECTING THE COUNTY. UM, BUT ANYWAY, I, IS THERE AN ANSWER FOR THAT OR ENTITLES ENTITLEMENTS? YOU KNOW, THE, THE LAST THING I WANNA SAY IS I DON'T THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THE FIRST SET OF EYEBALLS ON A PBD. I THINK THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE COUNCILS, RIGHT LISA? IT ACTUALLY, THE CONCEPT PLAN AS A PDD DOES COME IN PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST FOR RECOMMENDATION. OH, OKAY. IT'S OUR FAVORITE. SO LIZ, LET'S DIVE TO THIS HERE A LITTLE BIT. I'M GONNA DO MY BEST TO TRY TO, TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO AN AREA OF WHAT WE UNDERSERVED. WHEN YOU GOT A LARGE PROPERTY THAT COMES IN, YOU MEASURE A PDD. THE PDD IS TYPICALLY THE VEHICLE BY WHICH ZONING IS ASSIGNED TO THAT PARTICULAR PRO. WHAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT LAW OF KIND IS A DEVELOPMENT GRANT AND WHAT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS THAT'S A CONTRACT. AND THOSE CONTRACTS CAN HAVE CERTAIN FIXED DATES TO THAT. HOWEVER, IN SOUTH CAROLINA, THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN STRUCTURED AT THE STATE IS THAT THE BIGGER THE PROJECT YOU HAVE AND AND CORRESPONDING EVEN MORE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INVEST TO CARRY OUT THAT PROJECT, THE LONGER A TIMEFRAME IS GEARED IN FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO LAST. THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE HAD ELECTIONS EVERY TWO YEARS AND THAT MAY HAVE A NEW MAC ON GUAN COUNCIL, CERTAINLY EVERY FOUR YEARS YOU'VE BEEN COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COUNCIL FROM WHAT WAS IN PLACE FOUR YEARS PRIOR TO THAT. AND SOME GENERAL ASSEMBLY SAID, WE DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR FOR THESE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE GOING TO INVEST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THEIR ENGINEERING STUDIES, IN THEIR CIVIL SITE PLANS, IN THEIR LANDMARK, UH, TO HAVE THAT KIND OF TAKEN AWAY FROM THAT BECAUSE THERE'S DETER WRONG COUNSEL. AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THE TERMS THAT YOU SEE FOR THESE DEVELOPING AGREEMENTS ARE VERY LENGTHY. AND BECAUSE IT IS A CONTRACT, THERE IS NOT AN HUMILITY FOR US TO UNILATERALLY [00:40:01] BREAK THAT CONTRACT. ESSENTIALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS WE WOULD BE SUED, THEY PURSUE ENFORCEMENT OF CONTRACTABLE TERMS, WHICH AGAIN, GIVEN THE THE LAW CURRENTLY, THEY WILL LIKELY BE ABLE TO BID. AND SO YOU WIND UP IN A POSITION WHERE NOW YOU'RE HAD TO PAY THEIR ATTORNEY'S FEES AND AC E DEVELOP THE PROPERTY THE WAY THAT WAS APPROVED DID DEVELOP. SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. THAT'S YOU MEET TO HARVE. UM, THE TALENT BLUFFTON HAS DEALT WITH THAT VERY SAFE ISSUE. AND PART OF IT IS BECAUSE OF HOW WE HAVE TO GROW IN A LOT OF OTHER AREAS. WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR RURAL AREAS OUTSIDE OF YOUR URBAN AREAS, THOSE RURAL AREAS, A LOT OF TIMES OF FARMS. AND SO THOSE FARMS ARE 50 ACRES, A HUNDRED ACRES, BUT THEY'RE TYPICALLY NOT THOUSANDS OF ACRES. BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE WHAT WE HAVE HERE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE FARMS, YOU HAD TIMBER. AND SO WHEN INTERNATIONAL PAPER AND TIMBER COMPANIES SOLD OFF THOSE TRACKS, THEY SOLD THEM OFF THOUSANDS OF ACRES AT A TIME. AND BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A LARGE DEVELOPMENT, THE TIME THAT THEY GET TO COMPLETE THOSE DEVELOPMENT IS MANY, MANY BATTERIES. UM, YEAH. SO I KNOW I'M THE, I'M THE NEW MAN ON THE, OR NEW PERSON ON THE THREE MONTHS IN. IS THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH. SO WE'RE, WE'RE THREE MONTHS IN, SO STILL LEARNING, RIGHT? SO I DO FEEL LIKE, UH, WHAT WAS I SECOND, YOUR SENTIMENT DOWN THERE THAT WE'RE KIND OF THE RECOMMENDING BODY, BUT CAN WE NOT HAVE SOME KIND OF YOUR LATERAL, UH, AGREEMENT THAT IF SOMETHING IS BEING DEVELOPED IN A OR ADJACENT TO AND TO THE ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY, CAN WE NOT SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO SEND THEM SOME KIND OF NOTIFICATION THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PRESENTING? DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUE? FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT ANNEXING A DONOR HOLE, IT GOES TO JASPER COUNTY TO SAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS, WHETHER OR NOT YOU GUYS RECEIVE IT. I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT GOES TO. I WAS JUST, I'VE JUST BEEN TOLD THAT THEY DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE BACK. BUT OBVIOUSLY WHAT COUNCILMAN BIMAN SAYING, THAT'S, OH THAT'S DEFINITELY THE BURNING OF THE, THE LARGE PILE THAT'S BEEN BURNING FOR A SOLID WEEK IS JUST THE ABSOLUTE ICE. WE'RE LONGER THAN THE, THE, THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST ABSOLUTELY, I WAS SHOCKED TO SEE, I WAS HAPPY TO SEE IT WASN'T MY CITY THAT DID THAT, THAT APPROVED THAT, BUT SHOT TO SEE HOW THEY JUST DEMOLISHED THAT AREA. AND MY THOUGHTS TOO WERE HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET ONTO 2 78? BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME KIND OF ORDINANCE OR POLICY OR AGREEMENT THAT IF WE'RE DEVELOPING SOMETHING THAT'S TOUCHING ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY, SOMETHING, AND IF IT COMES TO US, WE'LL GO ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, SO AT LEAST HAVE SOME KIND OF SAY IN IT. I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE IT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THESE SPUDS GO BACK AND FORTH, BUT I MEAN OBVIOUSLY I'M HAPPY THAT I, I LIVE WHERE I AM. I'M LIFELONG SOUTH CAROLINA RESIDENT. LOVE THIS, LOVE THIS AREA, LOVE THIS CITY. UH, LOVE THE, UH, MISSIONS FOR ALL THREE FOR OLOGIES. SO IT WOULDN'T WANNA BE ANYWHERE ELSE. YES, SIR. UM, I, I THINK TO KIND OF DO THAT A LITTLE BIT, THE PAST IS NOT NEARLY AS IMPORTANT AS WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS. AND SO, UM, WE CAN REALLY DO A WHOLE LOT ABOUT WHAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST LEADING UP TO THIS POINT. BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN INFLUENCE WHAT'S GONNA HAVE YOU GOING FULL. SO TO THAT EXTENT, UM, THE JOINT MEETING THAT WAS HELD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE COUNTY COUNCIL, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WAS A REQUEST THAT WE FORMALIZE IN SOME WAY, UH, A JOINT RESOLUTION BETWEEN BOTH OF THOSE BODIES. AND WE'VE NOW INCLUDED WORM AS WELL. SO THAT'S GONNA BE ALL THREE OF US. UH, BUT TO, TO FORMALIZE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT IF THERE'S THESE THINGS THAT WE DO THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT MAY COME UP, WE ARE GOING TO ABSOLUTELY GIVE NOTIFICATION TO THAT OTHER AGENCY AND LIKELY BEYOND THAT SOLICIT FEEDBACK FROM THEM. SO IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF PAYMENT. ONCE YOU TO KNOW ABOUT IT, WE WANNA KNOW WHO'S THINK ABOUT IT. UM, SO WE'RE WORKING ON FORMALIZING THAT. NOW, IN THE MEANTIME, I CAN TELL YOU OUR STAFFS COMMUNICATE BACK AND FORTH WITH EACH OTHER. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT SHOWS UP ON OUR AGENDA, WE MAKE SURE TO SEND IT TO THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY'S SENDING US THEIR AGENDAS. UM, AND I THINK RELAND IS IS GETTING THAT INFORMATION THAT'S WELL, SO WE ARE AWARE OF IT INFORMALLY, BUT WE'RE GONNA FORMALIZE THAT RELATIONSHIP AND TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE TO BETTER WORK WITH HTO WHERE WE HAVE THESE, THESE CONVERSATIONS. I THINK IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF YOU, ONE OF THE PRIMARY REASONS WHY YOU'RE BROUGHT ONTO A BOARD, UH, AS A CLIMBING COMMISSION MEMBER IS TO HELP ENSURE THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF THAT JURISDICTION IS THE PURSUIT. AND SO YOU'RE THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND THAT UNDERSTANDS THAT, THE NITTY GRITTY DETAILS OF THAT IN MAKING SURE THAT THAT VISION OF LINES WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THAT JURISDICTION, WHICH IS WHY YOU HOPE TO SHAPE THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL. WHAT WE NEED IS THE COUNTY'S [00:45:01] COMPREHENSIVE PLANS LINE UP WITH THE CITIES TO LINE UP WITH THE TOWNS. AND IF WE HAVE THE VERY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE AT THAT LEVEL, THEN AS YOU'RE DOING YOUR REVIEWS GETS CITY BECOME AUTOMATICALLY APPARENT OF KELP. OR YOU NEED TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM AS PART OF THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE THEIR PLAN SAYS THAT WE'RE GONNA RESPECT THIS BOUNDARY AND OUR PLAN SAYS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA GO BEYOND THIS BOUNDARY. AND SO I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN PUT IN PLACE TO GET EVEN BETTER AT THAT, BUT WE DO AT LEAST HAVE SOME OAKLY B CAKE CAMP. ALRIGHT, I GOING TO RESPOND. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID. UH, ALL THREE OF OUR PLAIN EXHIBITIONS ARE RECOMMENDATION BODIES. WE GET INFORMATION, WE REVIEW IT, AND WE RECOMMEND TO OUR DECISION MAKERS, THE COUNCIL, EACH OF THE FREE MUNICIPAL GOVERNORS. AND I THINK, UH, I THINK THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE, UH, THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS TAKE THAT VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY. YOU KNOW, UH, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN IMPRESSED WITH THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND THE EXPERTISE OF SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF ME, THE ENGINEERS. AND SO THEY SERVE ALTERNATIVE, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF EXPERTISE AND THE TIME IS THEY GO TO THIS. AND I THINK WE TAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY. UM, AND, AND CERTAINLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT WAS THE ISSUE THAT, UH, MS. BAKER HAS ABOUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT GRIEVANCE. THESE LAND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS ARE SO CONTROLLING IN SOME CASES AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY DO TIE OUR HANDS. THE HARDY CITY COUNCIL HAD A JOINT MEETING WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION SOME TIME AGO, AND WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS DISCUSSED IS SOMETHING THAT JOSH MENTIONED, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THE LEGISLATION, WHICH I, I HAVEN'T READ IN YEARS SINCE THAT MEETING, BUT THE LEGISLATION SAYS THAT BASED ON THE AGGREGATE AGGREGATE ACREAGE, YOU CAN HAVE IT FOR 20 YEARS, 15 YEARS TO, BUT WHAT POINT I I WANNA MAKE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS NEVER COME BEFORE THE PLAN, WHICH AT LEAST ON HARDY VALVE. AND I WONDER IF IT IF ANYBODY ELSE GETS A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT. BECAUSE I THINK IF WE EVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL ABOUT THOSE LAND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, I HONESTLY THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE WORTHWHILE THINGS THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THAT. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THOSE PROVISIONS IN THAT STATE LEGISLATION DO NOT REQUIRE THAT 2000 ACRES EQUAL 20 YEARS. THE ACTUAL, I BELIEVE THAT THE ACTUAL BY WAGE THAT IS USED IN THE STATUTE IS NOT TO EXCEED 2000 ACRES, NOT TO EXCEED 20 YEARS, THREE YEARS DOESN'T EXCEED 20 YEARS. I MEAN, UH, BE BEYOND THE 2000, I COULD VERY WELL BE WRONG ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE ACREAGE AND THE NUMBERS, BUT BEYOND THE HIGHEST NUMBER THAT THEY'VE SET THE COUNTY OR LIMIT FOR. IT'S WHATEVER THE, THE MUNICIPALITY COUNCIL AND THAT VALBERG GREAT TOUR, IT'S A CONTRACT, BUT IT, WOULDN'T IT BE STRANGE IF THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT WAS THAT FOR BIG, BIG PROJECTS YOU CAN AGREE TO ANYTHING YOU WANT, BUT FOR SMALLER PROJECTS YOU MUST DO FIVE YEARS OR 15 YEARS. THAT'S NOT WHAT THE LEGISLATION SAYS. AND YOU KNOW, THAT LEGISLATION IS SO IMPORTANT NOW IT'S TIED OUR DECISION MAKERS HANDS AND, AND, AND CITY ADMINISTRATORS HAS IN MANY, MANY WAYS, BUT WE MARRIED YOU ARE MAKING THOSE SAME DECISIONS FOR A COUNCIL 15 YEARS FROM NOW. AND IT'S NO LESS IMPORTANT, BUT MORE IMPORTANT AS WE GROW FASTER AND BECOME BIGGER AND BIGGER. BUT I WONDER IF THERE'S NOT A WAY, AND I WONDER WHAT THE HONOR ESPECIALLY TO HAVE THE MUNICIPALITIES FEEL ABOUT THIS IDEA OF AT LEAST HAVING THE AVAILABILITY OF WALKING BECAUSE LAND, THE BELTWAY BOOT THIS VERY PROUD, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE GET PLANS, UH, FOR PLACES THAT ARE UNDERWAY, THE ELEMENT AGREEMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY 10 YEARS OLD AND METHING GOT AWAY THE DON AGREEMENT BASED ON PLAN THAT THEY PROBABLY INTENDED OR MAYBE DIDN'T TO, TO MOVE AHEAD WITH. AND NOW ALL THESE YEARS LATER, SOMEBODY'S COMING IN WITH A PLAN STILL UNDER THE OLD RANGE OF ELEMENT RAISE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND WE'RE TOLD AS A LAND COMMISSION THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. EVEN NOW, HAVING LOOKED AT SOME OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SIGNED DOWN, THAT TYPICALLY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SAYS IN IT THAT IF THERE'S A DISPUTE BETWEEN YOUR ZONING OR YOUR OTHER ORDINANCES AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE CONTROLLING DOCUMENT [00:50:01] IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. YOU'D SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE A VERY BASIC THING, BUT I, I WONDER WHAT THE OTHER PLANNING COMMISSIONS, UH, DO ABOUT THAT. DO YOU OR DO YOU LOOK AT IT? ARE YOU SHARING THE LAND OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IF YOU ARE PLAYING OR LOOKING AT THE SUBJECT TO THE LAYING DEVELOP GRID AND IF A LAY DEVELOP IS COMING ALONG WITH, UM, A NEW LEG BE LAG STARBOARD, DO YOU DIP CHANCE, LOOK AT IT TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO DECISION MAKERS? I'LL, I'LL ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT. SO FRANKIE DENMARK, I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF LINS COMMISSION. WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE ARE IN PLACE JUST LIKE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I MEAN I THINK IT'S LIKE A 30 YEAR AGREEMENT. NOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, THAT WAS A LAND AGREEMENT. NOW THERE IS A DIFFERENT THING CALLED A DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT THAT WE CAN KIND OF, I DON'T WANNA SAY RATCHET DOWN WHEN IT GETS TO THAT, BUT WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE SOME CHANGES THERE OR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT MAY MAKE THE CHANGES FOR THEM. I DO AGREE. I MEAN LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER, AS JOSH SAID EARLIER, YOU KNOW, WE CHANGE OUT THE COUNSELOR EVERY FOUR YEAR OR EVERY TWO YEARS. SO IT REALLY WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO A LANDOWNER TO SAY, OKAY, YEP, I GOT THIS LAST TWO YEARS. WE CAN'T DO THAT MORE. I DO THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE LONG-TERM AGREEMENTS IN PLACE, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF MECHANISM IN PLACE THAT SAYS THIS IS WHAT WE COULD DO. AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT COMES THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SAFE BECAUSE I MEAN IF YOU'VE GOT THAT BULLET, I NEED IT BECAUSE I MEAN WE'RE GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE SAME THINGS RIGHT NOW. I MEAN IF YOU'LL NOTICE ON THAT MAP THAT AREA SHOWED EARLIER, ONE OF OUR LARGEST AREAS IS GOOD HOPE PLANTATION. THERE'S OVER 20,000 ACRES IN IT AND IT IS ALL IN A VERY LONG TERM AGREEMENT. NO DIFFERENT THAN GENESIS. AND IF YOU WANNA SEE, JUST PULL UP EITHER ONE ON OUR WEBSITE. I MEAN IT'LL, OH MY GOD, WHAT WAS WE THINKING? WELL IN 2008 IT IS NOT WHAT WE THINK IN 2025. THANK YOU. IS ANYTHING ELSE WANNA RESPOND? THERE'S ONE OTHER THING I WOULD MENTIONED ABOUT THAT LEGISLATION THAT TWO YEARS AGO WHEN I, WHEN I TOOK A LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW THERE, THERE IS PROVISION IN THERE THAT YOU COULD WRITE INTO THESE AGREEMENTS CONTINGENCIES FOR TIME OR STRENGTHS? UM, I'M NOT DOING THE LANGUAGE JUSTICE, BUT IT IS, YOU COULD WRITE IN THERE THAT THIS LAND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THIS 20 YEAR LAND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS IS CONTINGENT UPON BEGINNING CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THREE YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THERE I THINK, I THINK IT'S SORT OF FROWNED UPON. UH, YOU KNOW, MANY LEGAL COUNSELS MIGHT BE A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT IT BECAUSE THERE'S A PROVISION IN THERE THAT SAYS THAT THAT MAY NOT CREATE A PRESUMPTION AT ALL WHICH, OR SOME WAY WHICH TO AFFECT ME. YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU WIND UP WITH A DISAGREEMENT ABOUT WHETHER YOU STARTED ON TIME OR WHETHER THERE WERE INTRUDING UH, REASONS YOU COULDN'T DO THAT BUSINESS REASONS WHAT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA WIND UP IN COURT AND ALL I CAN, YOU KNOW, I USED TO PRACTICE ALL YOU'RE GONNA WIND UP IN COURT ANYHOW. UH, SO I MEAN I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S ANOTHER TOOL THAT'S IN THE TOOL BELT THERE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULDN'T BE ROBOT COULD TO USE AND YOU KNOW, OR I, IF THE DEVELOPER'S GOING TO ABRE IT WITHOUT MEANING TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY COULD LATER DATE THE COURT. MORGAN, I THINK WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT GOING TO FAR ANY SITUATION. I SURE, I MEAN THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT, LIKE THE OPENING THE ROOM WHEN WE DONE THIS, I WOULDN'T HEAR FOR 20 2008 MANEUVER THIS WAS DONE. BUT THERE WAS ALSO THE THOUGHT IS IF WE DON'T DO IT SOMEBODY ELSE WE DO. SO I MEAN I THINK WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE OF THAT EVERY DAY. I MEAN IT WORRY, DON'T WORRY, BUT IT IS A CONCERN FOR SOME OF THE AREAS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE LARGER THAT IS LOOKING TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN OF RIDGELAND THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, KICKING AND SCREAMING FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS. SO I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, I THINK IT ALL GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE TWO. YOU KNOW, I MEAN RIGHT NOW AS MOST OF YOU DOES, THERE'S A BIG THING IN JASPER COUNTY AND UH, REASON ABOUT A LOT JUST USUALLY TICKING OFF. IT'S A HUGE THING. WELL YOU'VE GOT ONE GROUP SAYING THIS AND YOU GOT ANOTHER GROUP SAYING THIS, THEN YOU GOT ALL THESE IN THE MIDDLE, STIRRING UP BOTH SIDES THAT WE'VE GOTTA GET A BETTER HOLD ON THAT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'LL MAKE YOU LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF SLEEP. THAT'S WHENEVER YOU GET CALLS FOUR AND FIVE TIMES A DAY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WHERE YOU AT? HOW YOU GOING VOTE? THAT AIN'T WHAT I GOT ON THE COUNTY MISSION. BUT ANYWAY, TO KINDA WRAP THAT UP, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I WAS GONNA GET YOU TO RUNNING THEM IS THEY WORK ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I DON'T KNOW WHO Y'ALL HAVE BEEN USING OR Y'ALL LOOKING FOR THE CONSULTING OR REVIEW IF YOU FIRED IT YET. I'VE BEEN, WE'RE SEVEN. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED, I'LL BE MORELY GLAD TO BE WITH YOU AFTERWARDS ON SOME OF THE THINGS IS THAT, UM, [00:55:01] BE MINDFUL WHENEVER YOU DO YOUR ONLINE APPLICATIONS. 'CAUSE A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS AIN'T GONNA BE TOWN REFERENCE. UH, I LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING THOUGH. WHAT? LIKE HE, HE SAID THAT WE'RE COMING PLAY, WE NEED TO MARRY EACH OTHER, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT GOT US AT THIS POINT. AT ONE POINT JACKSON COUNTY HAD PROBABLY ABOUT 2% GROWTH AND WITHIN A 10 YEAR PERIOD IT'S SPEED UP TO ABOUT 75% GROWTH. SO WE GONNA HAVE TO RETHINK THINGS AND DO THINGS A LOT DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE TAX BASE ONLY THING WE HAD GENERAL COMPANIES, UH, A LOT WASN'T GOING ON. WE HAVE TO REALIZE HOW WE GOT HERE. SO WE GONNA HAVE TO RETHINK THINGS AND LOOK AT IT YOU A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE TO GET THINGS. UM, STATE PLAN, WE JUST HAVE TO REVIEW HOW WE GO FIX THE DUE IF WE DON'T MARITALS DRIVE. BUT ZONING IS GOING TO BE, AND THIS GREEK MUNICIPALITIES HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER WHEN THEY COVER PLAN THE GOAL THAT BE TO, TO GET TO MAKE A BETTER COUNTY. UH, I BELIEVE YOU WERE THE VICE CHAIR OF HIRING MILL. OKAY. YEAH, I DITO WHAT YOU SAID. I I AGREE WITH 100%. ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE ALWAYS HAD PROBLEM WITH WITH THE UH, PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WHEN THINGS CAME BEFORE US, THEY WERE LIKE FROM YEAR TO BEFORE THEY START TO DEVELOP AND UNDERSTAND, WELL THAT DOESN'T GO IN LINE WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. SO LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO FORWARD AND AND LOOK AT THAT AND PUT LIMITATIONS ON THESE LAND DEVELOPED CAN AGREEMENTS THAT, THAT OR HAS WITH THIS. AND IF WE CAN DO THAT AND WE CAN NOT SLOW IT DOWN, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN PLAN THERE. ONE THING THAT THAT THAT I'VE NOTICED AND WE TALK ABOUT IT EVERY NOW AND AGAIN, EVERY TIME WE BUILD SOMETHING IT DOESN'T ALWAYS AFFECT THE PEOPLE IN HARVILLE DOESN'T INFECT THE THREE OF ARY. 'CAUSE PEOPLE OUT IN THE COUNTY, ESPECIALLY DON WATER RUN OFF THE CHANGE OF THE WAY THE WATER RUNS, THAT YOU HAVE AN AREA COUNTY THAT THAT HAS A LOT OF WORK ON THEIR PROPERTY. SOME OF IT'S DUE TO ALL THE BUILDINGS GOING ON AND HOW THE WATER IS RESURRECTED. UH, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO RESPECT ANOTHER OF ANOTHER ORGANIZATION, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE COUNTY, UH, WE NEED TO RESPECT THEM. VILLE ONE THING THEY CAUGHT YOU OFF GUARD IS WHEN WE DID THE LARGE BUILDING AT THE SOUTH END DOWN AT TRANSISTOR COMPANY HERE SOUTH SOMETHING. THEY DEVELOP IT DOWN THERE IN LEVY AND WE HAD FOLKS COMING TO US SAY, WELL WHAT ARE Y'ALL GONNA BELIEVE ABOUT THIS REGARDLESS YOU ANYTHING ABOUT IT? AND UH, WHEN THEY CAME TO US THEY THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOON YOU SEE YOUR MOTHER. SO DO YOU GUYS LET THE FOLKS IN ON THE NEIGHBORS WHEN YOU GET READY TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU PUT UP THE SIDES AND YOU LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN TO YOUR COMMUNITY. YOU DO JUST SHE GET OUTTA YOUR AS? YES, WE, AND WE ARE CONSTANTLY WORKING ON OUR NOTIFICATION PROCESS. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON A ANOTHER AMENDMENT AS WE GROW. THERE ARE NEW CHALLENGES, BUT WE DO, WE DO THE NEWSPAPER, WE DO THE SIGNS AND WE ALSO AT THE CURRENT MOMENT NOTIFY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. UM, AND WE'RE WORKING TO EXPAND THAT TO FURTHER INTO THE CREEK AS WELL. LET'S JUST SAY THAT THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, DID YOU HAVE A LOT OF PARTICIPATION FROM THE COMMUNITY? YES, WE DID. UM, WE, WE HAD OUR COUNCIL CHAMBERS FULL, UM, FOR MULTIPLE WORKSHOPS FROM THE LEAGUE COMMUNITY. SO YES, ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE, YES WE DID HAVE A LOT OF PARTICIPATION AND THAT IS PART OF WHY WE DECIDED TO EVOLVE THAT PROCESS. WELL THAT'S ABOUT, THAT WAS MY, WE HAVE FEES DO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE RESPECT ONE ANOTHER, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO RESPECT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE NEXT TO THESE DE BALLERY. AND I'M, I'M GOING BACK TO MR. ROSE THAT I'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME AND I REMEMBER WHEN THE PRISON CAME TO BRIDGE AND THAT WAS A BIG THING. IT'S, IT DOUBLES THE POPULATION OF RISE LIKE OVERNIGHT. SO WE WERE READING UP FORWARD IT AFRICA THESE DAY ON WE LOOK AT IT AS SO DIFFERENT. SO I THINK I CAN HIGHLIGHT WHERE SOME OF THE CONFLICT COMES FROM THAT. 'CAUSE WE PUT NOTICE OUT THERE, WE NOTIFY SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. WE HAVE PUBLIC VAS, WE HAVE WORKSHOPS, THERE'S A LOT SO WENT ON. BUT A LOT OF FOLKS REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS UNTIL THEY READ ABOUT A NEWSPAPER THAT THE [01:00:01] HEADLINE SAYS, HEY BRIAN, 300,000 SQUARE FEET COME HERE. THE REALITY IS THAT DECISION WAS MADE YEARS BEFORE THAT HEADLINE EVER CAME OUT. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE BEES THAT WE HAVE OF PEOPLE THAT TYPICALLY LOOK AT WHAT A AGENDA LIST A POST DID AND WHAT IDS ARE ON THOSE AGENDA LISTS. AND SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO LET PIKA KNOW, HEY, THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN AND YOU'RE GONNA BE AFFECTED BY IT BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T PAY ATTENTION TILL IT, UNTIL IT'S START TO BE OBSTRUCTED. UH, BUT WE'RE GETTING READY TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE PROVIDE NOTICE ABOUT THESE THINGS TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OF OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT MAYBE WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB AT THAT. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT IN TERMS OF TIMING, RADIUS DISTANCE, WHO ALL NEEDS TO HAVE NOTICE. I DON'T THINK WE'LL EVER REACH THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO NOTIFY EVERYBODY ABOUT ANYTHING. BUT IF THERE'S A WAY IN WHICH WE CAN DO IT BETTER, WE WILL DO IT BETTER. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PARTY BILL AND JA CONY PLANNING COMMISSION. UH, WHEN I CAME UPON THIS COMMISSION, WE HAD A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH HARDY DEAL. UM, I COULD REMEMBER DR. HOOD WAS ONE YOU THE WHITE DOWN HERE TO WORK WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN THEY WERE FIRST BEING DEVELOPED AND MAYBE SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN REMEMBER THE LADY WITH THE RED HAT. . YEAH, . THE LADY WITH THE RED HAT BECAME DR. HOOD SENT ME AND WAS WHITE DOWN HERE AND LEE WORKED THE HARDLEY HILL FOR A LONG TIME, HELPED THEM STATUS THAT THING AT COMMISSIONER. SO I JUST WANT PEOPLE THAT KNEW THAT WE DID HAVE A GOOD WORK RELATIONSHIP ALREADY BUILT. AND WHAT THEY DID BACK THEN, THEY PUT WHAT YOU CALL A FIVE MILE READIES. THE COUNTY CO ESTABLISHED A FIVE MILE RADI AND I THINK IT WAS MAYBE ONCE A MONTH OR TWICE A MONTH AT HUB. IT WAS MANDATORY THAT HARDY DEAL AND JASPER COUNTY PLAN CAN BE NEST. BUT WHEN DR. HOOD KNOWS METH, ALL THOSE PLANS DIED. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS LAW, BUT I'M QUITE SURE THERE ARE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE IN THERE REMEMBER THAT, THE SPEED TO THAT AND WE HAD A GOOD VIRTUAL RELATIONSHIP AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GO BACK TO THAT FIVE MILE RAISE WHEREVER PLANNING WISH THIS POINT, TOUR US, BUT COME AND YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE GETTING, BRING BACK THE INFORMATION. BUT WE DID HAVE A GREAT WORK RELATIONSHIP AT HARDLY PREPARING ISSUE AND OUR GO BACK TO THAT IF IT'S ANY WAY POSSIBLE WITH THE FIVE MILE RADIUS AND MANDATORY THAT WE MET WITH EACH OTHER AND, BUT OH, MILD DEPRESSION IS, UH, VISIT VISION CITY COUNCIL ? YES. YEAH. COLONEL REGINA. YES SIR. YEAH. UM, I, I HEARD YOU SPOKE ABOUT ABOUT GOOD HOPE. YEAH, GOOD HOPE. AND UM, STRAWBERRY AND I MAKE ON 4 62 2 78 GOING TIME 95. AND I KNOW IT'S STILL MOVING A LOT OF TREES, LOT OF TREES. THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF TIMBERING, BUT I DO NOTICE THAT THEY'RE NOT PLANTING THOSE TREES AND STUFF BACK. IS THERE A PLAN FOR THAT AREA OR PART OR I MEAN, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH US? YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND. YES, PLAN THE COMMISSIONER GET QUESTIONS IF WE CAN'T EVEN ANSWER. AND I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S NO TREES. WE PLANT PLANTING AND IT'S STILL CLEANING AND I KNOW IS IN THE CITY THERE NEXT, BUT IS THERE PLANS FOR SOME OF THAT ATION KNOW OR, 'CAUSE I KEEP TELLING PEOPLE THAT WHEN THE GAS STATION COMING, THAT GAS STATION GONNA WRAP THE FULL 62. I SAID IT. YEAH. WE SPEAK THAT. SO WHAT I'VE HEARD TOO, RIGHT. PEOPLE WOULD BE CALLING ME. RIGHT. UM, SO IT IS GOOD HOPE AND IT IS PART OF GOOD HOPE. UH, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE AGREEMENTS FROM THE 2000 AND ERA RIGHT? THAT WE'RE STILL, UH, THAT THAT'S STILL CONSIDERED, UH, ACTIVE OR UH, UH, WELL THE CODES IRRELEVANT, RIGHT? UH, THE APPROVAL IS AN APPROVED, SO SILVICULTURE IS PART OF THE, UH, ALLOWED USE, UH, CAR TREE SILVA CULTURE. AND UH, THAT'S WHAT, UH, THE PROPERTY, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL WHO I SPOKE WITH, UH, PROPERTY MANAGER'S DOING, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE SIMPLY CUTTING TREES AND HE HAS TOLD ME THAT THEY TEND TO REPLANT THOSE FACT. YEAH. AND THERE'S, OTHERWISE, THERE'S NO, NO PLANS FOR ANYTHING ELSE BUT, YOU KNOW, CUTTING YOU WITH THOSE TREES. YEAH. AND ALLOWABLE USE . AARON, IF I MAY ADD, AND, AND YOU KINDA YEARS AGO THERE WERE TRACKS THAT WERE CLEARED BLAMING TO BEIL CULTURE. [01:05:02] BUT INDEED, THAT WAS A DEVELOPER IN THE BACKGROUND. THEY WANTED TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AND IT WAS JUST A CONVENIENT PROCESS. AND I THINK THEY PUT IN PLACE SOME LANGUAGE THAT PREVENTED THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY. IF IT WERE ACTUALLY TIMBER WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, THEY, THEY, THEY WEREN'T THEN WERE TO COME IN AND SUBMIT A DEVELOPMENT OR APPLY FOR A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, UH, TO DEVELOP, TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY HAD BEEN CLEARED UNDER AN AGRI, AGRI AND ALLOW AG RAL PROCESS. SO I THAT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU CONSIDER. I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU ARE PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN PLACE OUT, I'M SURE THERE'S LEGISLATION WITH THE ADOPTER. THERE'S ALSO LOOK BACK TAXES, WHAT THE RIGHT LOOK BACK, RIGHT? YEAH. ALWAYS HE HAD SAY, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD POINT THAT, UH, YEAH. SO, UH, RIGHT NOW, I, I GUESS I DON'T HAVE NEIL BELIEVE THAT IS SIGNED BY, YOU KNOW, CUTTING TREES OR SO FORTH. UH, ONE ONE THING I WAS GOING TO MENTION THOUGH IS, UH, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES OF, UH, FORESTRY, RIGHT? AND THERE'S A COUNCIL, UH, THAT SUPERVISES THAT, UH, OR COMMISSION, UH, AND PRESUMABLY THEIR PHONE UNLESS KNOW WAS JURISDICTION AND I'VE, I, I'D REALLY HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT. BUT THEY, THEY ARE HELD FOR THAT STANDARD AND, AND THEY, THEY DID TELL ME THEY, UH, THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAVE, THIS GENTLEMAN IS HE DOES ATTEND TO BE PLANNED WITH TO, YEAH. YEAH. I, I'D LIKE TO SAY I, UM, BILL FISHERMAN ARD CONTACT, BUT THAT WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE A, A LEGITIMATE TREE ORDERS FOR ME. YOU MENTIONED THAT THE HAD HAPPENED OUT THERE AND LEGACY TREES HAVE PROBABLY DISAPPEARED AS A RESULT OF THAT. I THINK LIVE OAKS AND A NUMBER OF THE OTHER TREES ARE A CHARACTER THAT LOOK LIKE, AND IF WE ALLOW THAT STUFF OF THOSE TREES TO JUST BE TAKEN AWAY WITH NO LEGITIMATE MITIGATION OR COST TO DISOLVE FOR THEN WE WE'RE NOT SERVING US AND OUR CITIZENS. WELL, I WOULD LIKE REPOSE THAT OUR MUNICIPAL MOND, DESPER COUNTY AND HARVILLE DEVELOP A, A A TREE ORDINANCE THAT THAT'S GOT SOME FIGHT INTO IT AND, AND, UM, AND, AND PROTECTS THAT CHARACTER THAT WE, WE ALL TREASURE. I I REALLY BELIEVE YOU. I AND RIGHT NOW YOU CAN, YOU, YOU CAN GO IN AND, AND, AND FOR A VERY WELL, I CONSIDER A PITTANCE OF, OF A FEE TAKE DOWN A 150 YEAR OLD. THAT'S OUR CARE. DID YOU ALL THAT HAPPEN? YEAH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT, THE DEVELOPERS MOBILITY, BUT I MEAN, THEY WILL, YOU KNOW, BUT IF IT FOR CONVENIENCE PURPOSES, THEY'LL GET IT OUTTA THE WIFI. UM, I, YOU KNOW, I'VE WORKED ON HILTON AREA FOR MANY YEARS AND I, I, I COULD TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT SOME THINGS IN FORCE OVER THERE AND COST YOU, I SURE YOU'RE AWARE AT, AND I'LL TELL YOU ONE PERSON IN MY OPINION THAT SHOULD GO DOWN IN THE HISTORY BOOKS IS SALLY PER, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU KNOW HER NAME, SALLY PER, UH, SHE, SHE'S, SHE'S INFAMOUS ON DELTA BIT. UM, BUT, UM, I, I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE OUR, OUR TREE SCAPE AND, AND, AND, UH, WHAT'S LEFT WHEN ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT STOPS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE CHARACTER KILLED BECAUSE THEY'VE WORKED SO HARD IN TRY AND SAVE THOSE TREES. AND NOT JUST LOUD OATS, BUT A LOT THEM TO SEE WAS TRAINED OVER THEIR FEAR. WORKED VERY HARD TO DO THAT. I THINK WE NEED TO AS A, AS A ROOT NEED TO WORK ON THAT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND DEVELOP A POLICY THAT WORKS FOR ALL OF US. BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU FINGER BACK GRASS. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. LISA. YES, YOU HAVE SOMETHING? SO CAP BACKWARDS, UM, SINCE IT GOT MENTIONED, I REALLY WASN'T GONNA SPEAK OF ANY SPECIFIC PROJECTS OR ANY SPECIFIC ITEM, BUT AS FAR AS THE PROPERTY ON HIGHWAY 2 78, THAT IS THE CSP TRACK, HERE'S A BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED. MOST OF THAT WAS PINE TREES, GUM TREES. UM, SO [01:10:01] THEY HAVE EVEN TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY REVISING THEIR LANDSCAPE PLAN TO INCLUDE CLAN AND BERMS LIKE YOU SEE AT SUN CITY. THAT WOULD BE PRETTY HARD TO DO AROUND TREES. SO IT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN, UM, PROPERTY THAT IS CLEARED IN THE CITY OF HARDING DEAL OR THE TOWN OF JERUSALEM FOR DEVELOP ON PURPOSES. YOU CAN SEE IT EVERYWHERE AS ON CORNER SWEET WILLIAM AND HIGHWAY 2 78, RIGHT OUTSIDE BRIDGELAND THERE IS, UM, THE WAREHOUSE, GOLDEN AND LEVY. IT WAS CLEAR AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN BUILT. UM, SO IT'S NO DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW. BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK TODAY'S THEME WAS ABOUT POINT WITH VINEYARDS. I THINK WE'RE HERE TO, UH, COOPERATE AND TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND DO THINGS BETTER. BUT I DID JUST WANNA GET THAT OUT THERE. THERE IS A BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPE PLAN. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE IT WITH ANYBODY. GOOD LIGHT TO SEE IT. UM, WE DO HAVE A, UH, A TREE ORDINANCE. WE DO PROTECT. WE HAVE CERTAIN TREES WE PROTECT. MAYBE WE COULD DO BETTER. UH, THE LIST IS, I DON'T KNOW, PROBABLY ABOUT 20 SIGNIFICANT TREES AINT 25. AND, UH, AND FIVE, UM, LANDMARK TREES. YOU DO SEE THE ONE TREE IS IT SPARKED AND IT, IT WAS SAVED. IT WAS ONE OF THE BETTER TREES, BUT OTHER TREES WEREN'T, UNFORTUNATELY. THEY JUST MARKED. IT WAS MAINLY PINE TREE, JUST LIKE YOU HAVE, UM, IN A LOT OF THESE AREAS. AND YOU KNOW, WE TAUGHT HOW MANY OF THESE TRACKS WERE FAN OF PINES. IT'S SUPER EASY. SO, UH, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY. AND, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO JUST SHARE THE SORT I HAVE. UM, I DON'T CLINGING TO KNOW EVERYTHING, BUT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT HOW WE COULD WORK TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT BETTER. AND I KNOW WE'RE ALL REALLY BUSY AND I KNOW YOU ALL HAD JOBS, MINK, NOT ALL OF YOU, BUT POST PROBABLY GOT JOBS AND IF YOU'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH, YOU MIGHT BE RETIRED. BUT, UM, I THINK IF THERE'S ANYBODY ON THE HARDI GO PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE TOWN REVISIONS PLANNING COMMISSION OR JASPER COUNTY'S PLANNING COMMISSION, WHO COULD MAYBE SERVE AS A LIAISON, MAYBE A, A JASPER REPRESENTATIVE WHO COULD COME TO THE TOWN OF GHOST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. MAYBE SOMEONE FROM HARD GO CAN JUST ATTEND OURS. NOT NECESSARILY, IT WOULD JUST HELP YOU GIVE YOUR BOARD AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW? UM, SO THAT'S JUST THE SUGGESTION ONLY. UH, SAME THING FOR LYN, YOU KNOW, UM, AND I, AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE BUSY LIVES AND THAT MIGHT NOT BE POSSIBLE, BUT I THOUGHT IT COULD BE HELPFUL. SO I'LL LEAVE THAT THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, LEE. RIGHT AWAY, Y'ALL DO EMAIL YOUR AGENDAS OUT. I MEAN, YOU HAVE EVERYBODY'S EMAIL ADDRESS UP THERE, SO EVERYBODY COULD BE INCLUDED IN, IN YOUR, YOUR COMMUNITY. HAVE THEM INDIVIDUALLY. I USED DONE, DONE TO A BRAND. I'M HAPPY TO, I GET, I GET YOUR AGENDAS. I DON'T GET OH YEAH, OUR BILL, BUT I GET COUNTED. YOU ASKED TO GET OUR AGENDAS YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD THE DOG PROBLEM. YOU REMEMBER? YOU CAN ON ON THE, UH, YOU'VE BEEN ON THAT EVER SINCE, LEE, IN WITH THE JASPER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, I WANNA SPEAK ABOUT, ABOUT THE COMMUNICATION WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER IN NOTIFYING PUBLIC, UM, USING NEWSPAPERS AND SIGNS AND STUFF. BUT, UH, EVERYBODY IN THERE, SOCIAL MEDIA IS OUT THERE. I KNOW MUNICIPALITIES HAVE THEIR OWN SOCIAL MEDIAS AS WELL, BUT, UH, JUST KIND OF WANTED TO, I THINK A, A GOOD, THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF THESE ASK AND ANSWER PAGES FOR JASPER COUNTY FOR THESE DIFFERENT AREAS AND MAYBE THE MUNICIPALITIES. AND THOSE PEOPLE DO PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE, UH, ASK AND ANSWER PAGES. AND THEY'RE CONSTANTLY, UH, UPDATING INFORMATION AS FAR AS WRECKS ON THE HIGHWAYS AND STUFF. I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE AND MAYBE IF THE MUNICIPALITIES WOULD TO, UH, PUT SOME INFORMATION ON THOSE EVEN. 'CAUSE NOT EVERYBODY'S JUST GONNA PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR SPECIFIC MUNICIPALITY, UH, FACEBOOK PAGE OR WHATEVER IT IS. BUT, BUT THERE'S ASKING AND ANSWER PAGES. THEY POP UP CONTINUOUSLY. AND I, I KNOW PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE A LOT OF TIMES. UH, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY, UM, RELATED TO WHAT YOU SAID, UH, DR. BOSTIC, UM, I KNOW WE ALL, THE COUNTY AND THE CITY HAVE STRUGGLED WITH NOTIFICATION. I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT THEY'LL DEAL WITH EVENTUALLY. BUT AFTER HAVING BEEN SOMEWHAT INVOLVED, UM, IN THE PURS BIRD DEVELOPMENT AND LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE IN THE [01:15:01] LEVY DEVELOPMENT, UM, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH NOTICE IN THE WORLD TO, UM, SATISFY OR COOL THE TEMPERS OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THOSE AREAS. AND UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT I'VE LEARNED IS THAT THE TOWN'S HANDS ARE TIED. THEY HAVE AN A A, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE DEVELOPER. BUT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED FOR GENERATIONS IN THESE COUNTRY, LITTLE VILLAGES WE'RE NOT DESIGNATED AS A HAMLET. BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE. UM, THEY ARE WATCHING THE DEATH OF THEIR SOUTHERN WAY OF LIFE, AND IT'S PAINFUL, IT'S VERY PAINFUL. UM, THAT TO KNOW THAT THE WAY YOUR GRANDPARENTS AND PARENTS, UH, HAVE LIVED WILL NO LONGER BE AVAILABLE TO YOU. AND IT'S CALLED, I SUPPOSE, PROGRESS, BUT IT'S A VERY SAD DAY FOR MANY PEOPLE WHEN, UM, THIS COMES TO CALLING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO ANYWAY, I, I THINK THAT'S THE UNDERLYING PROBLEM. IT'S NOT REALLY NOTICED BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF'S DOING THE BEST JOB THEY CAN TO NOTIFY PEOPLE, BUT WHEN THE PEOPLE COME, THERE'S NOTHING THAT COULD BE DONE. SO THEY GO HOME SAD AND MAD AND, UM, COME BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING, LEAVING SAD. AND, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS . THANK YOU. MY NAME'S RANDY WAKE. I'VE BEEN ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION DRAFT COUNTY ATLANTIC COMMISSION CARD FOR SOME TIME BEFORE THAT I WAS ON ORIGINAL PLANNING COMMISSION. UH, I WAS ON THE JOINT, THE JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION WITH RIDGELAND AND GASPER COUNTY. UH, I FELT LIKE THAT WAS A VERY GOOD THING WHERE THEY HAD THE FIVE MILE RADIUS OR ANYTHING WITHIN THE FIVE MILE RADIUS OF RIDGELAND. THEY WENT TO THE JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THAT WAY BRIDGELAND HAD A SAY, JACK GAN SAY, UH, I THOUGHT THAT WORKED VERY WELL. I WAS, WAS DISAPPOINTED WHEN THAT WAS DISSOLVED. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. UH, ONE THING I HAVE A PET PEEVE ABOUT IS, ONE, WE GET STUFF TO COME BEFORE ANY COMMISSIONER, PEOPLE WANTING THEIR REASON TO BE REZONED, THAT ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE MUNICIPALITIES. THE FIRST THING THAT I ASK IS, HAVE YOU BEEN TO TAP? HAVE YOU BEEN ESTABLISHED PARTY AND ASK FOR ANNEXATION. AND REPEATEDLY WHAT I GET IS, OH YES, THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN OUR TAKING OUR PROPERTY OFF. THAT'S, THAT WE ALWAYS GET, WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHETHER THAT'S TRUE OR NOT. SO THAT'S HOW WE HAVE VOTE BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, I FEEL LIKE THAT IF IT'S IN CLOSES PROXIMITY TO THE MUNICIPALITY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ANNEXIN IF THEY'RE WANTING TO RESIGN. BUT THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK, RIGHT? UM, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S, THERE SHOULD BE SOME MECHANISM, SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THEM TO BRING FORWARD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND SAY, YES, HERE WE HAVE FIN THE COUNTER READY FOR THE COUNTER HARDY BILL, AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO US IN. AND AT THAT POINT WE CAN SAY, OH, YES OR OH NO. UH, THAT'S PET PEEVE OF MINE. UH, AND I DON'T KNOW REALLY. I DON'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS FOR IT. I DON'T HAVE THE CURE FOR IT. I'M JUST SAYING WHAT MY PET PEEVE DOES. THANK YOU. LAST THING I'LL SAY IS I'LL LISTEN TO THAT FOR ALL FEARS. ONE THING THAT I'LL, THANK YOU. SO HER MAL AND IMPORTANCE, WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT SHARED SERVICES AND DOING THINGS TOGETHER. I THINK IT'S PARAMOUNT THAT WILL DO THAT. NOT ONLY AS THE TOWN OF , THE TOWN OF VILLE OR THE COUNTY, WE'RE ALL TAXPAYERS. SO I THINK NOW, AS I KEEP LISTENERS TALK ABOUT SHARING OUR SERVICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I HOPE IT'LL GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER TO ONE WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS AFTERNOON. 'CAUSE I'M KIND OF IN THAT V SEE. THANK YOU. RICHARD ROSEO, HARWOOD LAND COMMISSION, UM, LIFELONG RESIDENT. UM, THIS IS HOME VILLE, THE HALL ORIGINALLY MY HOME, THE COUNTY'S MY HOME. SO I'M REALLY GLAD TO SEE THIS. UM, I'M CONCERNED, I, I WOULD HOPE THAT WHEN WE DO HAVE THESE MEETINGS WHERE WE CALL THE COMMUNITY AND THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LISTENING TO WHAT THEY SAY, AND IT'S NOT JUST A FORMALITY. UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT [01:20:03] WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING, THERE'S ENOUGH INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE WE CAN GET AROUND ABOUT, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE GET KILLED, UH, IN OUR INTERSECTIONS. UM, I THINK, I HOPE THAT WE'RE NOT INCENTIVIZING ALL OF THIS GROWTH AT A RAPID PACE RIGHT NOW TO GET IT ALL HERE FOR TAX BASE PURPOSES OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE WE'RE OUTLINING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, OUR MAIN THIS, THIS IS MY HOME. I WON'T BE LEAVING. UH, AND I WANT IT TO, I AT LEAST WANT TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE AROUND, UH, FOR WANTING TO THE OTHER WITHOUT, UH, LONG WEIGHTS AND ACCIDENTS. UH, I DO OWN RECORDS AND I, I DO SEE THIS EVERY, I SEE IT FIRSTHAND. UH, I WOULD HOPE THAT OUR LEADERS UNDERSTAND THE, IT'S NOT RICHLAND, YOU SAID EARLIER, YOU WANT TO PRIORITIZE YOUR EXISTING, UH, OVER YOUR NEW, AND, AND I APPRECIATED THAT. UM, IT, IT, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE REALLY PRIORITIZING THE NEW GROWTH AND REALLY NOT PAYING A WHOLE LOT OF ATTENTION TO THE EXISTING PEOPLE, UH, FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER. UM, UH, I GOT EXAMPLE, BUT WE COULD GO OUT AT ALL FOREVER. BUT I, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO THAT RIGHT NOW. BUT JUST PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT WE LIVE THERE. THIS IS HOME. AND THINK OF HOW, WHAT OUR FUTURE WANTS, WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE IN 10 YEARS. UH, AND IT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE NEW GROWTH. BUT LET'S NOT ENCOURAGE IT. LET'S NOT INCENTIVIZE IT. LET'S NOT DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET IT FOR, IS IT FOR TAX PURPOSES? IF SO, JUST REMEMBER THE ONLY PEOPLE WE HAVE, THE MORE HOSPITALS WE'RE GONNA NEED. I MEAN, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA HAVE ENOUGH WITH WATER. THIS, THIS IS MY HOME AND I'D LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST BE A PLEASURE TO, UH, LIVE AT. THAT'S ALL I DOES. ANYONE YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME, UM, CONCRETE SUGGESTIONS TODAY THAT WE SHOULD FOLLOW UP ON ONE OF THEM. AND COUPLE OF PEOPLE SPOKE ABOUT, AND I THINK WE SAID THAT THE IDEA, I'LL COPY ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER WITH EACH OF THE FREE, UH, AGENDAS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY WORTHWHILE. UH, AND IT'D BE UP TO EACH OF US. THIS IS TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, BE ONE, TWO, IF WE CAN, IF YOU HAD THOUGHT AND TRY TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY, IT WOULD GO MORE INFORMATION OR WANNA PROVIDE INFORMATION THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO IMMEDIATELY. UH, I KNOW THAT THE IN VILLE CHAIRMAN OF BRAND CONDITION, STEVE TTT WA BELIEVES THAT ISSUE BEFORE THE MEETING IS OVER. SO I, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO RIGHT AWAY. THE SECOND THING IS MENTION CAN'T RECALL WHO, BUT ABOUT THE IDEA OF A COORDINATING GROUP. AND I, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY NEW IDEA. WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO, TO MEET, TO FIND THINGS THAT WE MIGHT DO TOGETHER. THE IDEA OF ALL THREE OF US REVIEWING, UH, TREE ORDINANCES AND SEEING HELL THEY'RE ALIKE DIFFERENT, BUT WE COULD BACK EACH OTHER UP IN SOME WAY. AND I WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTED IN DOING EVER, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS TOO, AND WATER THIN. SO, BUT WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IF IT'S, IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO EVERYBODY, THAT EACH OF THE THREE PLANNING COMMISSIONS DESIGNATE ONE MEMBER SO THAT THE THREE OF THEM COULD MEET AND TRY TO COORDINATE HOW HE WILL GO ABOUT DOING THIS. AND, UM, IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO EVERYBODY AT THE NEXT MEETING OF EACH MEDICAL COMMISSION, IF YOU GO AHEAD AND DESIGNATE SOMETHING AND IF YOU WILL LET THE DALE PLANT COMMISSION KNOW, WE'RE COORDINATE GETTING THOSE THREE PEOPLE TO GATHER SO THAT THEY CAN PLAN OUT HOW WE'RE ABOUT DOING THIS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, ANY ACTION THAT WE SHOULD TAKE TODAY? I'VE GOT ONE LAST THING. I SAID ALL I GUESS IN ALL REASON TO BE TRANSPARENT, WE ARE TAKING UP OUR TREE ORDINANCE MONDAY NIGHT. SO, AND, UH, I DON'T WANT TOO MANY TO LEAVE THERE AND SAY, WELL, HE DIDN'T EVEN SAY NOTHING ABOUT, BUT THAT IS ON OUR AGENDA FOR MONDAY NIGHT. WE'VE BEEN THERE PASSING US AROUND FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS NOW AND GOTTEN THINKING US. WELL, IF WE DON'T STEP UP AND SAY SOMETHING, SOMEBODY'S ABOUT TO PRESS SOMETHING AFTER LATE, SO PLEASE COME JOIN US. I MEAN, IF ONE WOULD LIKE TO, WE WOULD WELL TIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. AND, AND THERE'S A CLEAR FOOT, UH, PROVISION IN THERE, RIGHT? AND, AND ALSO DISCUSS THE SILVER CULTURE, TRYING TO TIGHTEN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT BETTER. SO WE, WE, UH, SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE SMART GROUP. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING [01:25:01] THINGS TO THE DECISION MAKING BODY OF THE COUNCILS, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT COULD BE DONE THERE. AND THE TREE ORDINANCE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF IT. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS I SHOULD POINT OUT, UM, WELL, SPEAKING ABOUT RICK HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE GET NOTICE HOW FAR WE GET NOTICE AND HOW OFTEN WE DO TO, TO NEIGHBORS OUTSIDE . RICK HAS BEEN REALLY HEADING UP SORT OF, UH, A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, THAT THEN WE HAVE MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT, WHICH I'M SURE GONNA BE ON THE COUNCIL TO INCLUDE MORE PEOPLE AT MUCH GREATER DISTANCE, UH, EARLIER IN THE PROCESS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE RAISE THESE ISSUES AND LET EACH OTHER KNOW ABOUT IT, I THINK THERE'S A REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ACCOMPLISH THE THING. I KNOW THAT THEY, THAT, UH, MS. BAKER HAS ATTENDED ONE OF OUR MEETINGS AT THE, UH, IN, IN HARDY AND I HAD ATTENDED ONE OF THE BIG WING MEETINGS, ALTHOUGH I IN CAN WILL LIVE WITH JOHN KEMPS FOR NOW WHEN YOU GET THERE. BUT, UH, UH, IT WAS AT THE END OF YOUR PLANNING PROCESS WHEN THERE WAS A BIG REPORT OF IT. IT WAS, I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH HOW PROFESSIONALLY IT WAS ALL DONE AND WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE COMMISSIONING. I THINK IF WE WERE TO TAKE AN INTEREST IN EACH OTHER'S MEETINGS AND WHEN PARTICULAR ISSUES ARISE, THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD REALLY BE HELPFUL TO ALL OF US. AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT WE WOULD BE INTERESTING. IS THERE ANY ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANTED TO ADD? I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY. DID THAT, THAT QUESTION? THIS, THIS IS JUST THE ME MY IRRIGATION. UH, I, I I DON'T KNOW A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING THAT THE COUNTY SIDE NOW, HOW MANY NATIVE JATA COUNTY DO YOU HAVE IN THIS END? THE TABLE DOWN HERE? I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 76, SO I, I WASN'T SITTING YOU MAYOR. I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 19 CENTURY. OH. SO WE GOT TWO DATA DOWN THERE. OKAY. UH, AND HOW MANY WE HAVE ON THIS SIDE? PROBABLY EVERYBODY. SO WE, WE, WE CUT OUT A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. YOU MENTIONED THE THING ABOUT HOME. THIS IS OUR WHOLE, SO IF YOU THINK A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN SOME FOLKS THAT ARE NOT NATIVES, BUT WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER FOR PROGRESS, BUT WE JUST WANT TO MANAGE IT WHERE IT'S GONNA BENEFIT ALL OF US. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PICK YOUR PLANNING COMMISSIONS HERE, BUT I KNOW IN THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY COUNCIL CHOOSES THE PLAN COMMISSION AND THEY TRY TO DIVERSIFY, YOU KNOW, TO GET A HOME BOARD AND GET NOT ON BOARD TO GET THIS GUY AND THAT GUY. SO MAYBE, UH, IF IT DO DIVERSIFY YOUR PLANNING COMMISSIONS A LITTLE BIT. I DON'T KNOW. I, I JUST, WHEN I LOOK AT THE THINGS, I, I WONDER WHO'S MAKING DECISIONS AND WHY. SO I THINK THE MORE DIVERSIFIED WE ARE, THE BETTER FOR, THAT'S JUST YOU. OKAY. I GOT STARTED . JUST A COMMENT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? HONOR, I'D LIKE TO THANK FOR INVITING THE JACKSON COUNTY PLANT FISHER FOR THIS JOINT MEETING AND WE GO FORWARD TO WORKING TOGETHER TO GET THE GOALS. CONFIDENT MEETING PROMISED. THANK YOU. AND, UH, IF EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT, WE'LL ADJOURN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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