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UM, WE ARE GOING TO START THIS AFTERNOON WITH THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE ALL OF ALLEGIANCE BY COUNCILMAN STEVE MESMAN.
PLEASE RISE, FATHER IN HEAVEN.
WE ARE GATHERED HERE AS DIVERSE THREADS.
LET UNITY BE THE TAPESTRY THAT BINDS US TOGETHER.
JUST AS THE NIGHT SKY IS ADORNED WITH STARS OF VARYING BRILLIANCE.
SO ARE WE ADORNED WITH UNIQUE STRENGTHS AND INSIGHTS? THROUGH THE THREADS OF UNITY, WE WEAVE A FABRIC OF COLLABORATION THAT IS RESILIENT IN THE FACE OF CHALLENGES AND VIBRANT IN ITS CELEBRATION OF OUR SHARED ASPIRATIONS.
LET THIS INVOCATION OF UNITY REMIND US THAT WHILE WE MAY ALL COME FROM DIFFERENT WORLDS, WE ARE UNITED BY THE DESIRE TO CREATE POSITIVE CHANGE.
PLEDGING TOBACK OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE, PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR OUR SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED FOR OUR FREEDOM AND FOR ALL THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO SERVE AROUND THE WORLD PROTECTING OUR WAY OF LIFE.
I WILL NOW CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
THIS IS A CITY OF HARDY, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND PUBLIC HEARING.
2 0 5 MAIN STREET, HARDY V, SOUTH CAROLINA, JULY 24TH, 2025 AT 4:00 PM UM, FIRST WE MUST APPROVE TODAY'S AGENDA.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO TODAY'S AGENDA? MOTION TO APPROVE TODAY'S AGENDA.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
NEXT WE HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION, RECEIPT OF LEGAL ADVICE WHERE LEGAL ADVICE RELATES TO OTHER MATTERS COVERED BY THE ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SOUTH CAROLINA CODE OF LAW 30 DASH FOUR DASH 70 A TWO.
WE WILL, UH, RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE AND, UH, REGARDING PROCEDURAL MATTERS.
UM, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION? SO MOVED.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY,
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AYE.WE ARE NOW IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE WILL BE GONE INTO THE OTHER ROOM.
WE WILL BEGIN PROMPTLY AT 5:00 PM
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UM, WE STARTED OUR MEETING TODAY AT FOUR O'CLOCK.
WE HAVE HAD THE INVOCATION OF PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE CALL ORDER AND THE APPROVAL OF AGENDA.
AND WE HAVE BEEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE I NEED A MOTION TO RETURN TO THE REGULAR MEETING FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE RETURN TO REGULAR SESSION FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.
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BACK IN PUBLIC SESSION.MS. CINDY, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? NO, SIR.
WE GO ON TO PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS.
AND FIRST WE HAVE THE INTRODUCTION OF PATROL OFFICER BRIAN O'DONNELL.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNSEL.
UM, DECIDED TO INTRODUCE TODAY TWO NEW OFFICERS TO THE HARVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, THEY WILL BE SERVING AS A PATROL OFFICER HERE.
UM, TO MY LEFT WE HAVE BRIAN O'DONNELL, UM, TO YOUR RIGHT, RYAN O'DONNELL.
HE'S ORIGINALLY FROM MASSACHUSETTS.
HE JOINED THE MARINE CORPS IN 2008 AND COMPLETED A SEVEN YEAR ENLISTMENT.
HE'S OBTAINED A BACHELOR, BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE, AND HE ALSO STARTED HIS LAW ENFORCEMENT CAREER WHILE HE WAS IN THE MARINE CORPS AS A MILITARY POLICE OFFICER.
UM, HE MOVED ON TO A FEDERAL DOD OFFICER, THE BEAUFORT AIR STATION.
UM, AND HE COMES WITH US, OR HE SERVED THERE FOR 12 YEARS BEFORE COMING TO US.
UM, TO MY RIGHT, YOUR LEFT IS BRIAN BODETT.
HE'S ORIGINALLY FROM CHICAGO, ILLINOIS, JOINED THE MARINE CORPS AS WELL.
SERVED A FOUR YEAR ENLISTMENT.
UM, HE'S GOT A ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND HE ACTUALLY STARTED HIS LAW ENFORCEMENT CAREER WITH THE ORAL POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO HE, HE ALSO JOINED OUR, OUR DEPARTMENT IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR AS WELL.
SO THEY'RE BOTH IN THE FIELD TRAINING STAGE RIGHT NOW ON PATROL.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES COMING ABOUT.
VERY PROUD OF THEM BEING HERE, SO I'LL GIVE THEM A SECOND TO ADDRESS EVERYONE.
WHICH BRIAN'S FIRST
IT'S VERY NICE TO MEET EVERYONE HERE.
I APPRECIATE EVERYONE COMING OUT HERE.
UH, THANK YOU FOR TAKING YOUR TIME OUTTA YOUR DAY.
UM, AND I'M JUST VERY HAPPY TO WORK WITH HARDY V UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT.
VERY HAPPY TO WORK WITH EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF Y'ALL, SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY YOU GUYS GAVE ME.
THE CS FAN OR WHITE SOX FAN CUBS.
WELL, BESIDES YOUR, UH, BASEBALL PREFERENCE, WE, UM, WE, WE CONSIDER OURSELVES A FAMILY HERE.
AND SO IF THERE'S ANY, UH, FAMILY INFORMATION YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE, IT'S NOT, NOT NECESSARY IF YOU DON'T, BUT
THAT'S, THAT'S THE FAMILY WE GOT ALL MY FAMILY.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE LIVING IN CHICAGO RIGHT NOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR RYAN? NUMBER ONE,
WELL, I KNOW THE CHIEF WILL WANNA FIND OUT WHETHER HE PLAYS REALLY GOOD BASEBALL BECAUSE I'M THE SOFTBALL CHIEF.
UH, GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
UM, IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE AND I HAVE TO SAY THIS IS, I'VE MET THE MOST, THE NICEST PEOPLE I'VE EVER MET WORKING HERE SO FAR, AND I'M THRILLED TO BE HERE.
AND YOU'RE FROM MASSACHUSETTS? YES, SIR.
UH, THE, UM, IT'S GREAT TO SEE OUR FORMER MILITARY STAYING HERE IN THE AREA AND JOINING OUR POLICE AND FIRST RESPONDERS.
UH, SO WE'RE REALLY THRILLED TO HAVE YOU AND WE WISH YOU NOTHING BUT SUCCESS AND A LONG CAREER WITH HARDY V.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, FAMILY HERE? UH, I'M MARRIED.
UH, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ALL THE WAY TO HIGH SCHOOL.
YOU DON'T LOOK OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE THREE KIDS.
NEXT WE HAVE THE, UH, PRESENTATION AND APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE JULY 10TH, 2025 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES FOR JULY 10TH? SO MOVED.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO, WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THIS IS SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT A MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL FOR ATTRACTIVE LAND CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 24
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ACRES KNOWN GENERALLY AS CROSS SCHOOLS OF EAST AR TO INCLUDE A PORTION OF THE PARTIAL PARCEL OH SIX SEVEN OH OH TO OH 1 1 0 7 LOCATED OFF EAST AR PARKWAY.AND TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDY V.
THIS IS SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 10 B.
UM, THIS ITEM APPEARED AT YOUR LAST REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING AT THAT TIME.
THERE WAS ONE QUESTION THAT HAD COME UP, UM, THAT WE WERE ASKED AS STAFF TO KIND OF LOOK INTO WHEN THIS CAME BACK BEFORE YOU, AND THAT WAS REALLY WITH REGARDS TO FUTURE PHASES OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING IS THE PHASE THAT INVOLVES THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE KINDERGARTEN OR, OR, UH, DAYCARE FACILITY.
UH, THERE ARE FUTURE PHASES THAT WILL INVOLVE A CHURCH AND SOME OTHER STRUCTURES.
AND, AND THE QUESTION THAT WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT WAS EMERGENCY ACCESS.
AND SO, WHILE NOT A PART OF THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS EVENING, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE CONSULTED WITH FIRE RESCUE ABOUT.
THEY'RE AWARE OF IT, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS AT THIS POINT, BUT THEY WILL BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS AS THOSE OTHER PHASES COME FORWARD FOR APPROVAL.
UM, SO WANTED TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MENTION THAT.
I ALSO WANTED TO LET FOLKS KNOW, UH, IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW, THIS DE DEVELOPMENT IS WITHIN THE EAST ARGENT PDD.
SO IT IS PART OF THAT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
UM, AND EITHER THROUGH THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THROUGH THE DEVELOPER, THERE ARE APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT FEES THAT WILL BE PAID TO THE CITY PURSUANT TO THE TERMS OF THAT DOCUMENT.
AND SO I THINK THAT COVERS THE QUESTIONS OR THE ISSUES THAT WE WERE AWARE OF WITH REGARDS TO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT COUNSEL MAY HAVE.
UM, LET'S START COUNSEL QUESTIONING.
UH, WELL FIRST LET ME OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
DOES ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS DEVELOPMENT? PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD.
I'M A NEW RESIDENT OF SUN CITY FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.
MY WIFE AND I MOVED FROM CHICAGO HUBS
UM, WE'VE HARD, WE'VE ENJOYED BEING PART OF HARDY V.
ENJOYED SOME OF YOUR CELEBRATIONS ON THE STREET HERE AND REALLY ENJOYED BEING PART OF YOUR COMMUNITY.
UM, WE ARE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP THERE WHERE IT SAYS SUN CITY EAST ARGENT, THERE'S A GROUP OF ABOUT, OH, A DOZEN HOME SITES.
THERE WE ARE ABOUT THE SIXTH ONE FROM THE RIGHT OR THE LEFT, HOWEVER YOU WANNA COUNT IT, RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT I ASSUME WAS A ROAD THAT CAME THROUGH THERE AT ONE TIME, A LOGGING ROLE ROLL ROLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, FIRST QUESTION I HAVE IS A COMMUNICATION.
UM, IF IT WASN'T FOR JOSH
UH, WE WOULD NEVER KNOW WHAT THIS PROJECT WAS.
WE HAVE HAD NO COMMUNICATION FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WE'VE HAD NO INFORMATION THAT WAS DROPPED OFF AT OUR DOOR.
AND WE ARE THE NAB CLOSEST NEIGHBORS THAT THEY HAVE.
NOW, JUST, UH, AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, I USED TO WORK FOR A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, SEVERAL OF THEM IN CHICAGO.
AND OUR PROCESS IS TO DEVELOP GROUP HOMES AND VOCATIONAL SETTINGS FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES ALL ACROSS COOK COUNTY AND LAKE COUNTY.
WE WOULD NEVER START A PROJECT WITHOUT TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS.
NEIGHBORS CAN BECOME WHO KNOWS FUTURE CONTRIBUTORS, UH, TO OUR ORGANIZATION.
THEY COULD, THEY COULD DO A LOT.
WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS FROM THE SCHOOL'S POINT OF VIEW.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL IF THEY WOULD'VE COME IN AND ADDRESSED, UH, THE NEIGHBORS THAT, THAT, PARTICULARLY THE BORDER, THAT PROJECT.
SECOND, UH, QUESTION I HAVE IS VEHICLE LIGHT, UH, POLLUTION.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ROAD COMING IN OFF OF, UH, EAST ARION PARKWAY, THAT ROAD, IF IT WERE TO CONTINUE, WOULD RUN RIGHT INTO OUR BACKYARD, WHICH MEANS WE ARE GONNA HAVE EVERY LIGHT FOR EVENING, UH, ACCESS TO THAT PROPERTY COME INTO OUR PHYSICALLY COME INTO OUR LIVING ROOM BECAUSE THERE ARE BREAKS IN THAT TREE LINE, UH, THAT BRING EVERYTHING THROUGH THERE.
UM, FROM THE PROJECT SIDE TO THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE SOME BARRIER, HOPEFULLY GREEN, UM, THAT WOULD BLOCK THAT AREA SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE, UH, HAVE A LIGHT SHOW OF PEOPLE COMING IN.
THIRD QUESTION WE HAVE IS THE, UM, A QUESTIONABLE MANAGEMENT OF A RUNOFF OF WATER.
THAT AREA HAS ALWAYS BEEN EXTREMELY WET.
UH, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE SEEM TO COLLECT A LOT OF RUNOFF FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE BLOCK THERE.
THAT SECTION WE ARE IS THE LOW POINT OF THAT ENTIRE BLOCK.
SO EVERYTHING COMES IN FROM THE LEFT, FROM THE RIGHT AND FROM THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
I'M CONCERNED THAT WITH THE WATER RETENTION AREAS THAT ARE PART OF THIS PLAN, WE'RE ON, ON EXTREMELY WET DAYS.
WE'RE GONNA GET MORE COMING OVER THAT BERM AT THE BACK OF OUR PROPERTY.
NOW, I, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BUILT IN, UM, UH, PUMPS
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AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO BE ABLE TO EMPTY THOSE, UH, WATERWAYS.UM, MY QUESTION HERE IS WHO'S GONNA MAINTAIN THOSE PUMPS? BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, TALKING TO YOUR ENGINEERS, IF YOU DON'T MAINTAIN THEM, THEY WILL FAIL 'CAUSE THEY GET CLOGGED, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS THAT GONNA BE? AND FINALLY, SAFETY.
UM, YOU KNOW, CALL ME FOOLISH, BUT HAVING A, A PRESCHOOL OF 400 CHILDREN POTENTIALLY SURROUNDED BY HUGE, UH, UH, UH, GROUPS OF WATER IN THAT AREA, IT, IT JUST DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE SAFEST PLACE FOR CHILDREN TO RECEIVE SERVICES.
IN FACT, WE ALWAYS WOULD HAVE OUR SERVICES INTEGRATED INTO THE COMMUNITY, NOT OFF INTO, UM, A FORESTED AREA.
SO I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
UM, ANYONE ELSE? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD.
ALSO A PROPERTY OWNER IN SUN CITY THAT BORDERS THE PROPOSED, UM, PHASE ONE OF CROSS CHURCH.
UM, I HAVE TWO MAIN CONCERNS THAT I WOULD HOPE WOULD BE ADDRESSED.
I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF OUR BIGGEST, UM, BIGGEST COMPLAINTS AS TIME GOES BY, I THINK WE, WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN AND WE CAN L LEARN TO LIVE WITH THAT.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, AS YOU WELL KNOW, MAYOR, UM, DELL WEBB AND PULTE ARE BOTH VERY STRINGENT ABOUT CONSTRUCTION TIMES.
UM, OUR CONSTRUCTION TIMES IN SUN CITY RUN FROM 7:00 AM BUT NOTHING BEFORE 7:00 AM AND NOTHING AFTER 7:00 PM AND AS CONSTRUCTION BEGINS IN THIS NEW PHASE, UM, WE WOULD HOPE THAT THEY, THAT THE DEVELOPER COULD ABIDE BY THAT JUST FOR OUR OWN PEACE OF MIND.
UM, WE DON'T NEED, ESPECIALLY AT THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN WE'RE DIGGING LAGOONS, WHEN WE'RE TAKING TREES OUT, WHEN WE'RE, UM, WHEN THEY ARE, UM, FLATTENING THE LAND, DOING ALL THAT WITH THE HEAVY MACHINERY, UM, IT'S GONNA RUIN OUR SUN.
OUR, UH, MORNING COFFEES ON
SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR IS MAYBE A DEVELOPER COULD SHOW SOME CONSIDERATION IN THAT REGARD.
THE SECOND THING I'D LIKE TO BRING UP IS SOMETHING ROBERT FROST SAID A LONG TIME AGO, STRONG FENCES MAKE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
AND IN THIS ENTIRE PROJECT, WE HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT KIND OF BARRIER THAT THEY PROPOSE TO PUT IN BETWEEN US AND THEM.
IS THAT GOING TO BE A NORMAL SIX FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE AROUND A SCHOOL LIKE WE NORMALLY SEE? UM, ARE THEY GONNA PUT A PRIVACY FENCE UP? IF IT'S A PRIVACY FENCE, ARE THEY GONNA TRY AND BLEND IT INTO THE EXISTING TREES THAT WE SEE? HOPEFULLY TO HELP OUR, UH, SOME OF THE SITUATIONS, AS PAT OR WAYNE MENTIONED, UM, SOME OF THE LIGHTS THAT WE ARE AFRAID WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ALL FORESTS BEHIND US AND VERY DARK, VERY PLEASANT BACK THERE.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA GO AWAY.
BUT THOSE ARE OUR MY TWO MAIN CONCERNS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, MAYOR.
AND I WILL ASK STAFF, UH, STAFF WILL EXPLAIN OUR, UH, ORDINANCE PULTE FOLLOWS THE CITY ORDINANCE.
AND, UH, I'LL ASK STAFF TO, UH, EXPLAIN THAT WHEN WE'RE FINISHED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
WAIT, LET'S GET ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS IN.
ANYONE ELSE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD TALKING INTO THE MICROPHONE 'CAUSE YOU ARE ON CANDID CAMERA
UM, I'M A RESIDENT AT 7 8 9 SUNFISH WAY.
UM, ALSO HAVE A HOME BORDERING THIS PROPERTY.
UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, MY MAJOR QUESTION I HAVE THAT WE'VE HAD A HARD TIME GETTING ANSWERS ON A LOT OF THESE ON QUESTIONS WE HAVE.
AS I SAY, WE WERE AWAY TRAVELING, CAME BACK AND SUDDENLY HAD, YOU KNOW, A WEEK OR TWO TO LOOK INTO ALL OF THIS.
BUT ON THIS MAP IT STATES THAT THERE'S A 50 FOOT BUFFER ZONE ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
WE ARE IN THAT AREA THAT RIGHT ABOVE THE POND WHERE IT SAYS 50 FOOT BUFFER.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEHIND THAT RIDING.
WE WOULD LIKE, LIKE REALLY LIKE
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TO KNOW ARE ALL THOSE TREES THAT ARE SITTING IN THAT 50 FOOT BUFFER ZONE GONNA BE CLEARED BECAUSE OF THAT POND? BECAUSE OUR PROPERTY, YOU CAN SEE THE STORM DRAINS BEHIND IT.WE HAVE SERIOUS FLOODING IN OUR AREA WHEN IT RAINS, YOU KNOW, THREE FOOT OF WATER THAT TAKES FOUR OR FIVE DAYS TO DRAIN EVEN COMES UP ONTO THE COMMON AREAS AND FEEL STRONGLY THAT IF THOSE TREES, THOSE 50 FOOT OF TREES ARE GONNA BE CLEARED.
WE JUST THINK IT'S GONNA CREATE A REALLY SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH FLOODING BEHIND OUR HOME.
UM, I DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RULING IS WITH THOSE PONDS BEING THERE.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT THAT TREE LINE BEHIND IT HAS TO BE CLEARED? WE KNOW THAT THERE IS THE DOTTED WETLAND LINE, UM, AND THOSE AREAS CAN'T BE CLEARED.
BUT ON THAT MAP, IT SHOWS THAT THAT LINE ACTUALLY TURNS AND GOES RIGHT UP TO THE BORDER.
IT DOESN'T COME ACROSS THE BACK OF THAT POND, THAT BIG POND BEHIND TOP OF PHASE ONE.
SO THOSE ARE THE MAIN CONCERNS WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, PRIMARILY WITH FLOODING, OBVIOUSLY WITH, WELL NOT FLOODING, BUT SERIOUS WATER PROBLEMS, POOLING OF WATER, MOSQUITOES, YOU KNOW, ALREADY IN THE SUMMER MONTHS WHEN THERE'S HEAVY, HEAVY RAINS AND THAT AREA PULLS UP.
UM, IT'S NOT GREAT BACK THERE.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY ALSO JUST THE PRIVACY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THIS HOME WITH THIS TREE LINE AND WITH THE COMMON SPACE THE POOLE HAS GRASP BEHIND OUR HOME.
WE WOULD ONLY REALLY HAVE ABOUT 25 FEET OF TREES LEFT ON OUR BEHIND OUR HOUSE WHEN, IF, IF THAT AREA IS CLEARED.
BUT THAT'S THE MAIN QUESTION I HAVE, SO THANKS.
ANYONE ELSE IS, UH, LINDA LONG BERRY HERE? I AM.
UM, DO YOU WANNA READ THIS OR YOU WANT ME TO? I THINK YOU SHOULD, SINCE YOU'RE HERE,
I CAN TRY
HERE'S YOUR, HERE'S YOUR COMMENT THAT I WAS GONNA, OH, OKAY.
SO MY NAME IS LINDA LONG BARRY AND I LIVE AT 4 5 9 SUNFISH WAY.
UM, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS, IS THE FUTURE OUTREACH FACILITY B GOING TO, IS THAT PROPERTY GOING TO BE CLEARED AT THE SAME TIME AS THE SCHOOL, UM, OR AT A FUTURE DATE? AND THEN I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING LOT BEHIND THE SCHOOL.
'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE LIGHTS.
I'M SURE THERE'LL BE LIGHTS THERE, PARKING LOT LIGHTS.
AND I'M WONDERING IF WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THOSE THROUGH THE TREES ALSO.
UM, THERE'S A DUMPSTER CORRAL AND TWO PLAYGROUNDS.
MS. BERRY, COULD YOU, UH, GET CLOSER TO THAT MICROPHONE? OKAY.
THERE'S TWO PLAYGROUNDS AND A DUMPSTER CORRAL ON THE END OF THE SCHOOL BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND THE CHURCH, WHICH ARE LOCATED FAIRLY CLOSE TO OUR PROPERTY.
UM, SO THOSE ARE CONCERNS OF MINE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HEAR KIDS OUT THERE PLAYING OR WE WON'T.
I HAVE NO IDEA WITH FROM THE MAP EXACTLY.
I SEE I HAVE 50 FOOT OF TREES AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A 30 FOOT WETLAND EASEMENT AND THEN THE FUTURE CHURCH BUILDING.
UM, WHAT ELSE DID I HAVE ON HERE? YEAH, THE FIVE FOOT MULCHED WALKING TRAIL IS GONNA GO BEHIND THE CHURCH.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE USED FOR.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE SCHOOL'S USING IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE PUBLIC'S USING IT, BUT IT GOES BEHIND THE CHURCH, BEHIND THE POND AND THEN AROUND THE SCHOOL.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER CONCERNS I HAD WAS THE TRAFFIC ON EAST ARGENT.
I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE, BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL SUBDIVISIONS THAT THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET TO THEM IS OFF EAST ARGENT.
AND THE BACK GATE OF SUN CITY IS ALSO ACCESS THROUGH THAT STREET.
I KNOW YOU'VE PUT IN A LOT OF STACKED LANES WITHIN THE SCHOOL TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT, BUT WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL IT'S BUILT AND ALL THE TRAFFIC'S ON THE STREET, HOW MUCH TRAFFIC'S GONNA BE THERE.
UM, AND I WILL SAY, AND I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE ABOUT THIS, I WAS VERY DISCOURAGED WITH THE WAY WE WERE NOTIFIED ABOUT THE PUBLIC MEETING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I WAS TOLD IT WAS WITHIN YOUR RULES OF HOW WE SHOULD GET IT BECAUSE IT WAS SENT CERTIFIED MAIL.
WE DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A LETTER.
WE NEVER GOT A NOTIFICATION THAT IT WAS AT THE POST OFFICE.
I DID HEAR ABOUT IT FROM A NEIGHBOR AND I WENT THERE AND THEY HAD A STACK THIS HIGH.
NOBODY HAD PICKED THEM UP YET.
I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM.
I'VE BEEN TOLD IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR A LONG TIME.
IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED TO, TO SPEND $9 AND 68 CENTS SENDING A CERTIFIED LETTER THAT'S SO IMPORTANT.
IT NEEDS TO BE SENT CERTIFIED MAIL AND YOU DON'T GET IT IS
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NOT ACCEPTABLE.CALLING KATIE'S EMAIL ADDRESS IN THE PUBLIC NOTICE WAS ALSO WRONG.
WHEN WE DID GET THE NOTICE, THE EMAIL ADDRESS WAS WRONG.
IT'S, IT'S JUST BEEN NOT HELD VERY WELL.
ANYONE ELSE? I JUST GOT A QUESTION.
YOU HAVE TO COME, YOU HAVE TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD.
I LIVE AT TWO 16 CORAL REEF WAY IN MARGARITAVILLE.
NOW, THE LADY BEFORE WAS PUTTING AN ARROW UP THERE WHERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF US DON'T REALLY KNOW FOR SURE WHAT AREA YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
IT SURE WOULD BE HELPFUL IF SHE WOULD PUT THE ARROW UP THERE SO WE COULD SEE WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IN WHAT AREA? THAT'S MY ONLY EXCUSE, SIR.
WELL, I'M GONNA ASK, I'M GONNA ASK THE STAFF TO ADDRESS, UM, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED.
JUST WE'RE WE'RE PREPARED TO RESPOND.
UM, WHO'S GOING TO RUN? KATIE, JOSH, WHO'S, WHO'S, I'LL TAKE A FIRST STAB AT IT.
I'LL REACH OUT AND FOR A LIFELINE PHONE A FRIEND IF I, I NEED IT.
WE HAVE THE STORM WATER ISSUES, THE LIGHTING ISSUES, UM, THE CLEARING ALSO, UH, NOTIFICATIONS AND ALSO THE, UM, THE NOISE ORDINANCES, WHICH WE JUST, UH, RECENTLY UPDATED.
SO LET ME START WITH, UH, STORMWATER AND QUESTIONS ABOUT STORMWATER.
SO THE CITY'S STANDARDS REQUIRE WHAT'S CALLED PRE AND POST-DEVELOPMENT RUNOFF STANDARDS.
THAT IS THE GUIDELINES BY WHICH WE INSPECT AND REVIEW THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS FROM A STORMWATER STANDPOINT.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THEY HAVE TO GO OUT AND CALCULATE WHAT IS THE CURRENT AMOUNT OF STORMWATER THAT COMES OFF OF THIS PROPERTY AS IT EXISTS TODAY BEFORE IT'S DEVELOPED, BOTH IN TERMS OF VOLUME AND IN TERMS OF RATE OF FLOW.
THEY THEN HAVE TO DESIGN A SYSTEM INTERNAL TO THE PROPERTY THAT CAPTURES A CERTAIN ME, UH, AMOUNT OF RAIN THAT WOULD COME DOWN WITHIN A PERIOD OF TIME.
AND THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT VOLUME OF WATER ON SITE SO THAT THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S LEAVING THE PROPERTY AFTER IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED IS NO GREATER THAN WHAT IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS DEVELOPED.
AND SO THEY TYPICALLY WILL HIRE ENGINEERS WHO WILL SIT DOWN.
THEY WILL MAKE THOSE CALCULATIONS THAT WILL BE IN THEIR SUBMISSION TO THE CITY WHEN WE RECEIVE IT.
WE THEN TAKE IT AND TAKE IT TO ANOTHER SET OF ENGINEERS AS THIRD PARTY EXPERTS TO SAY, PLEASE REVIEW WHAT'S BEEN DESIGNED AND TELL US IF THIS IS GONNA BE ADEQUATE OR NOT.
AND SO AS A PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED FOR, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, THE HOURS FOR CONSTRUCTION IN THE CITY'S CURRENT ORDINANCE, WE DO NOT ALLOW CONSTRUCTION RELATED ACTIVITIES.
AND THOSE ARE TYPICALLY THINGS INVOLVING HEAVY EQUIPMENT, HEAVY MACHINERY.
AND SO I I, MY BELIEF IS THAT SOME CITIES RESTRICTIONS ARE LIKELY A REFLECTION OF THE CITY'S RESTRICTIONS.
AND SO WE PROHIBIT CONSTRUCTION RELATED ACTIVITIES INVOLVING HEAVY EQUIPMENT OUTSIDE THE HOURS OF 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8:00 AM TO 7:00 PM ON SATURDAYS AND NO HOURS OF OPERATION ON SUNDAYS.
AND SO THAT WILL BE THE EXPECTATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT GROUP BECAUSE THAT IS THE REGULATIONS THAT APPLY CITYWIDE.
UM, THE 50 FOOT BUFFER PROTECTION, THE BUFFER PROTECTION STANDARDS ARE MEANT TO BE KEPT AS A NATURAL BUFFER.
AND SO IN THIS INSTANCE, IT IS NOT SOMETHING WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO IN AND TEAR IT ALL DOWN AND THEN MAYBE PUT SOMETHING BACK.
THEY'RE REQUIRED TO MEASURE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, ESTABLISH THOSE, AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT AS A PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION, THAT IS ALWAYS MAINTAINED.
AND SO STAFF THEN CONDUCTS SITE VISITS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BUFFERS ARE NOT ENCROACHED UPON AND THAT THOSE ARE MAINTAINED THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF THE PROJECT.
UM, THE TIMING OF THE CLEARING, WHILE THIS WILL BE UP TO THE DEVELOPER, ASSUMING THAT THIS GOES FORWARD, IF IT'S APPROVED BY THE CITY, WE CAN'T CONTROL HOW MUCH LAND THEY CLEAR.
WHAT WE'RE APPROVING IS THE MASTER PLAN THAT ALLOWS THEM TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS.
NOW WHETHER THEY DO THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OVER A PERIOD OF A COUPLE YEARS, IT'S REALLY ENTIRELY UP TO THEM.
I WOULD TELL YOU MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, WHEN THEY GO IN THERE WITH THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT, THEY'RE GONNA DO IT ONE TIME, DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND THEN LEAVE.
AND SO WHILE I CAN'T SAY FOR CERTAIN, IT'S PROBABLY LIKELY THAT MOST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU SEE HERE FROM A LAND DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT WILL PROBABLY BE PREPARED AS PART OF THIS, THIS PHASE.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE PARKING LOT LIGHTS, WE DO HAVE LIGHTING STANDARDS THAT REQUIRE SHIELDS, DOWNWARD FACING
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LIGHTS, OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE, UM, THAT FORMS OF LIGHT POLLUTION ARE LIMITED.AND SO WE HAVE SOME VERY CLEAR STANDARDS THAT WE REQUIRE.
AND ACTUALLY, AGAIN, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL HAVE TO HIRE AN ENGINEER TO SUBMIT TO US A LIGHTING PLAN SHOWING HOW THEY WILL MEET THE CITY'S STANDARDS FOR CONTAINING THE LIGHTING WITHIN THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC, WE REQUIRE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT HOW DOES THIS DEVELOPMENT IMPACT THE SURROUNDING ROADWAYS.
SOMETIMES IT'S SIGNIFICANT, OTHER TIMES IT'S NOMINAL, UH, BUT A LOT OF TIMES IT MAY REQUIRE IMPROVEMENTS OR THINGS WHERE THE DEVELOPER MAY HAVE TO MAKE CONTRIBUTIONS TO THIS AREA.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE EAST URGENT PARKWAY IS SOMETHING THAT IS BEING BUILT BY THE DEVELOPERS.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEING BUILT BY THE CITY, BUT IT'S NECESSARY IN ORDER TO HOLD, HANDLE THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT WILL COME OUT FROM NOT ONLY THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE ALONG THE EAST ARGENT PARKWAY.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO NOTIFICATIONS, SO THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT STEPS AND SEVERAL DIFFERENT NOTIFICATIONS.
THIS PROPERTY, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, WOULD HAVE INITIALLY BEEN VETTED FROM TERMS OF BEING ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.
SO MOST PROPERTY STARTS OUT IN THE UNINCORPORATED, UH, IN THIS CASE, I BELIEVE IT'S UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY.
AND SO IN ORDER TO COME INTO THE CITY, WE HAVE TO POST THIS.
WE HAVE TO SEND OUT NOTIFICATIONS, WE HAVE TO HOLD PUBLIC MEETINGS AND PUBLIC HEARINGS.
NOW, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT LIKELY OCCURRED MANY YEARS AGO, UM, A LOT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS ARE FROM THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
AND SO A LOT OF TIMES YOU WOULDN'T HAVE RECEIVED NOTICE FROM THAT BECAUSE MOST OF YOU PROBABLY WEREN'T HERE DURING THOSE TIMES.
BUT THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT WE REQUIRE.
AND THEN WHEN THEY COME FORWARD, THEY DO THE SAME THING TO GET A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THEY THEN COME FORWARD TO DO THE SAME THING FOR AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE THIS EVENING.
AND SO WE DO REQUIRE THAT THE, UH, APPLICANTS SEND OUT FORMAL NOTICE TO ALL RESIDENTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS OF THE PROJECT.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE ONLY MECHANISM THAT WE HAVE TO TRY TO TRANSMIT THOSE DOCUMENTS IS THE UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE WHEN IT COMES TO ENSURING THAT THE POSTAL SERVICE DOES THEIR JOB AND THE LETTERS GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO.
THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THAT WE CAN DO.
HOWEVER, OUR MEETINGS ARE JUST LIKE THEY ARE TONIGHT.
THEY'RE POSTED, THEY'RE NOTICED, THEY'RE BROADCAST.
THAT WAY WE CAN GIVE EVERYBODY AS MUCH OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME AWARE ABOUT THESE PROJECTS, APPEAR, ASK QUESTIONS, LEARN INFORMATION SO WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT STAFF IS WORKING ON POTENTIAL MODIFICATIONS TO OUR NOTICE REGULATIONS.
UM, I BELIEVE THEY JUST PRESENTED SOMETHING, UH, RECENTLY TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE COMING FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR REVIEW.
WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR BETTER WAYS THAT WE CAN REACH OUT AND NOTIFY THE PUBLIC.
AND IF WE CAN COME UP WITH STANDARDS THAT'LL REACH MORE PEOPLE THAN WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING NOW, THEN WE'LL LOOK AT PROPOSING AND AND PURSUING THOSE.
UM, I THINK I COVERED EVERYTHING, BUT IF THERE'S A SUBJECT MATTER THAT I MISSED, LET ME KNOW AND I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK AND REVISIT IT.
WELL FIRST THINGS FIRST, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED NOW.
UM, THE, UM, WHAT I WOULD ASK BEFORE I TURN OVER TO COUNCIL QUESTIONS, COULD YOU, UH, STAFF PLEASE EXPLAIN ON THE ENTIRE PERIMETER WHAT THE BUFFERS ARE IN EACH SECTION, PARTICULARLY THE ONES THAT ARE, UM, BEHIND THE SUN CITY HOMES? SO THE ENTIRE PERIMETER HAS A 50 FOOT UNDISTURBED BUFFER.
UM, IN ADDITION WHERE THERE'S A WETLAND, THE UNDISTURBED AREA IS AN ADDITIONAL 20 FEET FROM THERE.
SO, UM, SO ALL THIS DARK GREEN IS WETLAND AREA HERE, WHERE IT'S NOT WETLAND, IT WILL BE A MINIMUM OF 50 FEET, BUT IT MAY BE MORE IF IT'S NOT, IF IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO CLEAR ON THE TOP MIDDLE.
UM, KATIE, WHAT, WHERE IT SEE THE, THAT'S THE WALKING PATH.
WHAT ARE THE, UM, WHAT IS THE DISTANCE OF THAT WOODED AREA BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE BACK OF THOSE HOMES? LET'S, IT'S A MINIMUM OF 50 FEET ON THE SUN CITY SIDE AND A MINIMUM OF 50 FEET ON THE CROSS SCHOOL SIDE.
SO IT WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF A HUNDRED FEET COMBINED.
UM, LET'S OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL QUESTIONS.
NOW, UH, MR. MESMAN, DO YOU WANNA LEAD US OFF? SURE.
MY, MY QUESTION WITH THE PROJECT, AND I, IT, IT WAS ADDRESSED IS I STILL SHARE CONCERN OVER THE ONE ENTRANCE AND EXIT FOR THE SCHOOL PROPERTY.
I WOULD, I FEEL IT WOULD FEEL MUCH BETTER THAT IF THERE WAS ANOTHER EXIT SOMEWHERE UP IN THIS AREA.
UM, I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT EMERGENCY SERVICES WILL DISCUSS AND, AND, AND, AND TAKE, UH, INTO CONSIDERATION.
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I JUST FEEL THAT A SECOND EMERGENCY EXIT IS, IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY WHERE, UM, THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE IS, IT'S AT THE CROSS ON EAST SERGEANT PARKWAY THERE.AND I LIVE IN A COMMUNITY WHERE WE DO HAVE ONE ENTRANCE AND EXIT, AND WE HAVE HAD SOME MAJOR PROBLEMS THERE.
UM, I JUST BEEN VERY UNCOMFORTABLE HAVING CHILDREN PUT INTO THAT SITUATION.
UM, I HAVE, UH, THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAVE, AND I NEGLECTED TO ASK THIS AT THE FIRST READING, WAS I SEE SEVERAL PONDS AND I KNOW WE HAVE LITTLE ONES THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING TO SCHOOL THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS JUST TURN YOUR HEAD FOR ONE MINUTE AND, AND THEY'RE GONE.
WHAT BOTHERS ME IS, UM, THOSE PONDS, YOU NORMALLY, ANY POND, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY YOU'LL FIND A GATOR OR TWO IN THERE.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO PREVENT LITTLE ONES FROM SKE DADDLING OUT OF THERE AND GETTING INTO A POND AND SOME AND, AND SOMETHING BAD HAPPENING TO THAT CHILD? I'LL, I'LL LET MR. KAISER COME UP AND EXPLAIN THE PLAN FOR THE SCHOOL.
STEVE KAISER, UH, REPRESENT THE OWNER APPLICANT.
AND WE, WE, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT.
SO WE HAVE SECURITY MEASURES IN PLACE NOW ON OUR EXISTING CAMPUS THAT DEAL WITH THAT.
UM, WE, WE HAVE NOT HAD AN INCIDENT, UH, GOD HELP US.
WE DON'T EXPECT THERE TO BE AN INCIDENT.
UH, IT'S A PROGRAMMATIC ISSUE.
IT'S ALWAYS DISCUSSED IN SAFETY MEETINGS.
WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES.
UH, WE DON'T FEED ANIMALS, WHETHER THEY'RE ALLIGATORS OR DEER ON OUR CAMPUS ANY WAY POSSIBLE, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH VEGETATIVE PLANNING OR JUST THINGS THAT WE OBVIOUSLY SEE SOMETIMES WE DON'T LIKE, WHICH ARE HAND FEEDING EXERCISES THAT PEOPLE DO ON RESORT LOCATIONS.
WHEN IT COMES TO ALLIGATORS, WE DON'T DO THAT.
UH, IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM AREA, WE HAVE FENCED IT, WE HAVE A GOOD FENCING, UM, PROGRAM THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME SORT OF AESTHETIC APPROVAL PROCESS FOR US TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SECURITY LAYER.
AND WE KNOW THAT EVERY TIME YOU BUILD A FRESH WATER POND, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN ALLIGATOR IN OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR CULTURE JUST BECAUSE OUR LATITUDE AT 32 DEGREES LATITUDE.
SO WE HAVE THAT CONCERN ALL THE TIME.
WE TRAIN PEOPLE TO NOT LET LITTLE ONES GET AWAY.
UH, IF WE NEED TO FENCE THE LAGOONS FOR SAFETY REASONS, WE'LL DO IT.
UH, WE KNOW HOW TO KEEP AN ALLIGATOR OUT OF A LAGOON.
SO WE, WE, WE FEEL LIKE THERE'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE AN ISSUE FOR US.
AND WE'RE CERTAINLY CONSCIOUS OF MAKING SURE THAT'S ON EVERYBODY'S HIGH RADAR SCREEN AT ALL TIMES.
THE THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW HOW LITTLE ONES THEY GET AWAY, THEY JUST DISAPPEAR AND THEY CAN GET UP TO MISCHIEF AT THE BLINK OF AN EYE.
AND I THINK ONE HAS TO REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED IN DISNEY SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THAT 2-YEAR-OLD THAT WAS DRAGGED UNDERWATER BY A GATOR AND HIS PARENTS WERE RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT GOES THROUGH MY MIND WHEN I SEE STUFF LIKE THAT AND KIDS ARE INVOLVED.
UH, THAT WHOLE UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT COMES TO MIND WHEN, WHEN I SEE STUFF LIKE THIS AND CHILDREN ARE INVOLVED IN, IN THE EQUATION.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THANK YOU.
SO YOU ARE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING ABSOLUTELY.
IN YOUR POWER TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE POND, POND I KNOW.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO TO FIX THAT.
WELL, WE HAVE SOME SOLUTIONS FOR THAT TOO.
BUT WE DO HAVE A VERY GOOD, UM, RATIO OF IT, FACULTY AND ADMINISTRATION IN TERMS OF THIS AGE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT'S NOT JUST ONE-TO-ONE.
AND WE HAVE MULTIPLE STAFF MEMBERS IN EACH CLASSROOM AND THEY NEVER LET THEM OUT.
PLAYGROUNDS ARE ALL FENCED IN, SO THEY CAN'T JUST WANDER OFF CLASSROOM DOORS.
ANY EXTERIOR DOOR IS GONNA BE LOCKED FROM THE OUTSIDE MM-HMM
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF INTERNAL SECURITY ISSUES TOO THAT PREVENT THEM FROM JUST BEING ABLE TO WALK OUT UNDER, OFF UN UNOBSERVED.
MR. WHITE, UM, THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE, SIR, FOR YOU, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING YOUR COFFEE ON THE CHAIR, SO I HOPE THAT THOSE
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OPERATING TIMES FOR THE DEVELOPERS ARE HELPFUL TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S COMPLIANCE WITH THAT, PARTICULARLY NO WORK ON SUNDAYS.SO HOPEFULLY YOU'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND LET US KNOW IF THAT GETS VIOLATED.
WELL, BOTH MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED, MR. MAYOR.
I WANTED THE, THE BUFFER AND I, UM, WAS 50 CENT, 50 50 FEET ON EACH SIDE, SO YOU GOT A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER.
AND THEN AS STEVE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ONE ENTRANCE, BUT I MET WITH JOSH LAST WEEK AND HE ASSURED ME THAT ONCE THE SCHOOL IS FINISHED AND THEY START THE CHURCH PART, THAT THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED.
AND THERE IS AN AREA PRETTY WELL DESIGNATED FOR, UM, EMERGENCY ENTRANCE.
SO MY SECOND QUESTION WAS ANSWERED.
UM, I THINK MRS. GUZMAN RAISES A, A KEY QUESTION ABOUT THE GATORS AND, UM, LOOKING AT THE, AND I DIDN'T THINK OF THIS BEFORE EITHER, SO THANK YOU MR. GUZMAN.
UM, KNOWING LIVING ON A LAGOON MYSELF, COME APRIL, THESE GATORS ARE, ARE LOOKING FOR COMPANIONSHIP AND THEY'RE GONE BETWEEN LAGOONS AND LOOKING AT THE LOCATION, WE DO HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THEM MIGRATING AND BE OUT OF THE WATER.
SO, UM, I, I HEAR YOU AND I KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO IT, BUT I THINK THAT HER MRS. GUZMAN'S CAUTION IS WELL TAKEN.
WE, WE DON'T WANT TO OVERLOOK ANYTHING AND REGRET IT LATER.
SO, UM, I, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU DEAL WITH THE SECURITY ISSUES, UH, AROUND THOSE LAGOONS.
UM, I ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO ADDRESS THE, THE, UH, ENTRANCES.
UM, IF YOU GO UP EAST LARGE AND PARKWAY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE IS, UH, WAS IT TWIN PONDS? WE HAVE, UH, THE COTTAGES, WE HAVE RIVERTON POINT, UM, AND RIGHT NOW SUN CITY, I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE A LATER ON ANOTHER ENTRANCE PLANT, BUT ALL THESE WHICH WILL HAVE MORE TRAFFIC THAN THIS ALL HAVE ONE ENTRANCE.
IS THAT, AM I CORRECT? THE, THE TWIN PONDS? THE, THE, THEY HAVE ONE ENTRANCE.
UM, I THINK IT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN, BUT NOT IN NEAR FUTURE.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, UH, WE SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND I AGREE WITH MR. MESMAN IN THERE, BUT, UM, I THINK PHASE ONE DOESN'T REQUIRE IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD PUT IN THIS TO AS A PART B.
WE, WE EITHER PUT IT IN THE DOCUMENT AS A REQUIREMENT OR WE, WE DON'T, I HESITATE TO PUT IT IN THE DOCUMENT AS A REQUIREMENT BECAUSE WE ALSO DO WANNA LOOK AT THE OVERALL ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR EAST AR PARKWAY.
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE SPACED APPROPRIATELY.
THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN JUST HAVING THE TWO ACCESS POINTS.
AND ALSO WHEN, EXCUSE ME, WHEN YOU GET TO OUR SRC PROCESS, UM, THE STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE PROCESS, UM, IT ONCE AGAIN, EVERYONE'S LOOKING AT IT AGAIN AND THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING THAT SET.
THOSE OTHER, UM, STRUCTURES THAT, THAT WOULD BE TRIGGERED AND THE FIRE MARSHAL AND ALL OF THE OTHER ENGINEERS AND EVERYBODY WILL BE LOOKING AT IT, TRAFFIC GETS KICKED IN AGAIN.
SO I THINK THE RELIEF MECHANISM'S THERE WITHOUT HAVING TO PUT IT IN THAT DOCUMENT, BUT WHAT, WHAT MR. MANN'S ASKING FOR, AND THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC RECORD.
I A, AN EMERGENCY SERVICES ENTRANCE DOESN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE THAT A, IT BE USED FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE OR B UM, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE
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TO BE USED IF THE OTHER ENTRANCE IS UNBLOCKED.BUT, UH, HAVING IT THERE IS SEEMS TO MAKE SOME SENSE, RIGHT? THERE'S SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS, UH, THROUGH THE FIRE CODE THAT, UH, DETERMINES DEPENDING ON TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS, UH, ONE AND TWO OF FAMILY, MULTI-FAMILY, INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND THIS KIND OF FALLS IN THAT COMMERCIAL REALM THAT'S BASED ON THE HEIGHT AND SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDINGS.
AND THAT, UH, DETERMINES THE AMOUNT OF INGRESS AND EGRESS INTO THE, INTO THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS WOULD BE HANDLED AT SITE REVIEW, THAT'S PERFECT.
AND I WOULD REMIND MYSELF AND EVERYBODY THAT SITE REVIEW INCLUDES OUR FIRE MARSH.
WE HAVE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'VE HAD COUNCIL COMMENTS.
SO AT THIS POINT WE ARE READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO.
UM, THIS IS SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 10 B.
MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ON SECOND READING ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 10 B.
I'M GONNA CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.
THIS IS FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO CONSIDER AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR PARCELS.
THEY'RE UP THERE TO BE KNOWN AS RIVERPORT PARKWAY NORTH AND RIVERPORT PARKWAY.
UH, THERE'S A 1,074 ACRES AND IT'S PART OF THE RIVERPORT PDD.
THIS IS 2025 DASH OH SEVEN DASH TWO FOUR A.
UM, BEFORE I TURN THIS OVER TO, UM, MR. GRUBER AND STAFF, I JUST, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE INTERESTED IN THIS.
I JUST WANT TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE RULES OF ORDER.
WE HAD A LENGTHY MEETING THAT WAS TABLED, UH, A MONTH AGO.
SO I'M GOING TO BE STRICT WITH THE RULES OF ORDER FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
EVERYONE WILL HAVE THEIR THREE MINUTES, THERE WILL BE A GRAND TOTAL OF 30 MINUTES, AND NO ONE WILL BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK MORE THAN ONCE.
SO PLEASE, AS YOU HEAR THE, THE, UH, PRESENTATIONS THAT ANY, UH, YOU, UH, FORM YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR QUESTIONS ACCORDINGLY, KNOWING THAT THE UH, PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE STRICTLY ENFORCED.
SO, UH, HAVING SAID THAT, I'M GONNA NOW TURN IT OVER TO MR. GRUBER.
UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO COVER A COUPLE OF TOPICS FOR THE AUDIENCE'S BENEFIT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHAT IS BEFORE COUNCIL, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HOW WE GOT HERE, UM, SO THAT THERE'S A, A, A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE DEBATING, AND WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING THEM TO TAKE ACTION ON.
UM, SO THIS PROPERTY IN PARTICULAR, PART OF THE RIVERPORT DEVELOPMENT IS PART OF A 5,000 ACRE TRACT THAT PRIOR TO 2006 WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY.
SO IN 2006, A PETITION WAS SUBMITTED TO ANNEX THE PROPERTY INTO THE CITY LIMITS OF HARDY V.
SO THAT TOOK PLACE AND THAT PROPERTY WAS ALL, 5,000 PLUS ACRES WAS BROUGHT INTO THE CITY IN 2006.
IN 2009, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS APPROVED WITH THE CITY.
AND WHAT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DOES IS IT LAYS OUT HOW THOSE 5,000 ACRES ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.
SO THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, THE 1900 HOMES IN THIS PARTICULAR POD, IN THIS PARTICULAR PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT WAS SPELLED OUT IN THAT 2009 DOCUMENT, ALONG WITH A LOT OF OTHER DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT ENTIRE 5,000 ACRES.
AND SO THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROPERTY SHOULD BE DEVELOPED HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED.
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NOT WHAT IS BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL THIS EVENING.WHAT'S BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN.
SO THAT IS WHERE ARE THE ROADS? WHERE'S THE DRAINAGE, HOW ARE THE UTILITIES GOING TO LOOK? WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS TO TRAFFIC? THOSE ARE ALL QUESTIONS THAT SHOULD AND WILL BE COVERED AS PART OF REVIEWING THE MASTER PLAN.
BUT AS FAR AS WHETHER OR NOT THIS SHOULD REMAIN PINE FOREST OR WHETHER IT SHOULD BE DEVELOPED, THAT IS NOT A QUESTION THAT IS BEFORE THIS BODY BECAUSE THAT DECISION HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE AND THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY ARE VESTED WITH THE RIGHT TO GO FORWARD AND DEVELOP IT FOR THE PURPOSES THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE CITY BACK IN 2009.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT KIND OF MAKES IT CLEAR THE SCOPE OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING.
UM, THERE WAS ALSO SOME QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP LAST TIME ABOUT THE TIMELINE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO IF THE CITY COUNCIL GRANTS APPROVAL THAT ENTITLES THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ACTUALLY FINALIZING PLANS FOR THE SITE DEVELOPMENT, THEY WILL COME THROUGH THE STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE TO ACTUALLY GET LAND DISTURBANCE PERMITS.
AND IT'S ONLY AFTER THAT HAPPENS THAT THEY CAN THEN GO OUT THERE, START LOGGING THE PROPERTY, CLEARING TREES AND MOVING DIRT AROUND TO SCULPT IT TO BE IN LINE WITH THE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN.
UM, BEYOND THAT, IT THEN TAKES TIME TO PUT IN THE ROADS.
IT TAKES TIME TO PUT IN THE UTILITIES, IT TAKES TIME TO BUILD THE HOUSES.
IT THEN TAKES TIME TO SELL THE HOUSES.
SO RIGHT NOW, OUR FASTEST GROWING COMMUNITY IS SELLING ABOUT 300 HOUSES PER YEAR.
THAT NUMBER MIGHT GO UP A LITTLE BIT.
THAT NUMBER MIGHT GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT DEPENDING UPON THE MARKETS.
BUT THAT IS OUR FASTEST GROWING ONE, AND MOST OF OUR OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE GROWING AT A SLOWER RATE THAN THAT.
SO IF YOU TAKE AN AVERAGE OF WHAT WE CAN EXPECT REALISTICALLY AS STAFF, WE'RE ANTICIPATING MAYBE A HUNDRED, MAYBE 150, EVEN, MAYBE THE UPWARD LIMITS OF 200 UNITS WOULD BE BUILT AND SOLD WITHIN A YEAR'S TIME.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A THOUSAND OF THE 1900 HOMES, THAT'S A MINIMUM OF FOUR TO SIX YEARS, NOT INCLUDING THE LEAD TIME THAT IT TAKES TO CLEAR THE PROPERTY, TO DO THE LANDSCAPING, TO INSTALL THE, THE UTILITY.
SO THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT IF IT DOES MOVE FORWARD, IS NOT GOING TO BE BUILT IMMEDIATELY OVERNIGHT.
IT IS GOING TO BE OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS BEFORE THEY START REACHING THE UPPER LIMITS OF WHAT MIGHT BE APPROVED.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT AT THE END OF THE MEETING, KIND OF PROCEDURALLY WHAT HAD HAPPENED.
THERE WAS A LOT THAT WAS GOING ON.
UM, AND SO I WANTED TO EXPLAIN THERE WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT WAS MADE AND THAT MOTION FAILED TO GET A MAJORITY VOTE ON COUNCIL.
THAT ACTION DOES NOT, IN AND OF ITSELF DISPOSE OF THE MATTER.
RATHER, THE FLOOR IS STILL OPEN UP FOR ANY OTHER MOTIONS THAT MIGHT BE MADE OR ANY OTHER KIND OF INTERVENING MOTIONS.
AND SO COUNSEL ULTIMATELY DECIDED TO MAKE AN INTERVENING MOTION TO POSTPONE TO A FUTURE DATE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING.
SO I, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ABOUT THAT AND PEOPLE MAY SAY, WELL, THERE WAS A VOTE AND THE VOTE FAILED.
BUT THAT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY CAUSE THE ITEM TO FAIL.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A MOTION TO DENY THAT THEN RECEIVES A POSITIVE MAJORITY VOTE IN ORDER FOR COUNCIL TO ACT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON AN ITEM.
SO, UM, THOSE WERE THE THREE THINGS THAT I KIND OF WANTED TO, TO TEE UP.
I DO WANNA TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INVITE THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO COME UP AND GIVE A PRESENTATION.
THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT HAVE COME UP AND THEY'VE DONE, I THINK, A FAIRLY VALIANT JOB AT TRYING TO ONE, CAPTURE ALL OF THOSE AND THEN PROVIDE SUFFICIENT INFORMATION TO HELP ADDRESS THEM.
AND SO, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET THAT INFORMATION BEFORE WE MOVE FURTHER INTO QUESTIONS.
UM, I SEE THAT YOU'RE UP HERE.
SO WHY DON'T YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR AFFILIATION FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD.
I'M WITH THOMAS AND NUTTON ENGINEERING COMPANY BASED OUTTA SAVANNAH.
I'M HERE TONIGHT REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, GH COMMERCIAL AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.
ALSO HAVE HERE TONIGHT WITH ME IS, UH, STUART DAY WITH, UH, STANTEC CONSULTING TRAFFIC CONSULTANT TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO ADDRESS ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
I REALIZE THERE'S A LOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
A LOT TO GET THROUGH, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.
SO I'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.
WE DID PREPARE THIS PRESENTATION TO TRY TO HELP SUPPLEMENT AND ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME OUTTA THE LAST MEETING.
SO, UM, THERE ARE SOME SLIDES WE'LL GO THROUGH VERY BRIEFLY AND THEN KINDA LAND ON THE BULLET POINTS OF QUESTIONS AT THE END AND TRY TO, TO ANSWER 'EM DIRECTLY.
BUT, UH, THANK YOU JOSH, BY THE WAY, FOR THE LEAD IN.
IT'S GOOD TO, GOOD TO HAVE THAT HISTORY.
BUT I DID WANNA START OFF WITH THE FACT THAT STARTED PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AFTER THE LAST MEETING AND HAVE SAID IT A COUPLE DIFFERENT TIMES, BUT THEN IT DAWNED ON ME, IT REALLY HAS BEEN 16 YEARS OF, OF WORKING ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, AS EVIDENCED BY THE FACT THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDIES HAVE BEEN ONGOING SINCE 2009.
SO IT SPEAKS VOLUMES TO THE THOROUGHNESS OF THE INVESTIGATIONS OF ALL THE BODIES OF WORK THAT HAVE OCCURRED FOR
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THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.AND THINKING BACK EVEN FURTHER, THERE HAS BEEN AT LEAST THREE PUBLIC MEETINGS FOR THE INTERCHANGE ITSELF AND NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS PUBLIC MEETINGS RELATED TO ALL THE VARIOUS ACTIVITIES, WHETHER IT'S THE DA, THE PDD, TIFF, THE MID, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO, UH, AS JOSH SAID, IT IS A 5,000 ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT WAS ANNEXED IN OH SIX, UH, PDD UH, MODIFIED ADOPTED IN 2009.
AND WANNA REITERATE WHAT THE VISION OF RIVERPORT REALLY IS.
IT IS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, TRULY IS.
UH, THE INTERCHANGE IS KIND OF THE, THE HUB OF EVERYTHING.
THE EXIT THREE, UH, WITH COMMERCIAL RADIATING AROUND IT.
UM, BUSINESS PARK USES TO THE SOUTH, WHICH HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED ON THE HIGHWAY 17 CORRIDOR AS THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT AREA, UH, TO HOUSE THAT TYPE OF, UH, ACTIVITY.
AND THEN ON THE NORTH END, THE RESIDENTIAL LANDS IN THAT AREA, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AND DOWNTOWN HARDY.
SO FELT LIKE THOSE LOCATIONS WERE THE MOST APPROPRIATE.
UM, THAT MIXED USE WILL CONSIST OF, LIKE I SAID, AS FAR AS JOB OPPORTUNITIES, BUSINESS PARK LEADING ALL THE WAY THROUGH PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL OFFICE COMPLEX IS WHAT'S CONTEMPLATED.
NOBODY HAS A CRYSTAL BALL, BUT THAT IS A REAL POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S OP, THERE'S SPACES LEFT FOR THOSE THINGS TO OCCUR.
UM, GOING INTO THAT AND GOING FURTHER THROUGH THAT IN THE JOB OPPORTUNITIES, ONE OF THE THING THAT WAS, UH, CREATED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF EXIT THREE SINCE 2010 WAS ENGAGED MURA, UM, TO PROVIDE AN ECONOMIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT THAT WAS PART OF THE REQUIREMENT OF GOING THROUGH THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK TO VET THE PROCESS AND VET THE PROJECT.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, I'M NOT GONNA READ OFF ALL THE INFORMATION, BUT IT'S FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT.
IT IS REALLY SIGNIFICANT OF WHAT THIS PROJECT WILL DO FOR THIS REGION.
12,000 JOBS CREATED, UH, ONGOING JOBS, UH, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE AMOUNT OF 1.9 BILLION.
IT WAS SHOCKING TO ME WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS
BUT IT FINALLY, IT, IT, IT LANDED ONCE YOU READ THROUGH ALL THE INFORMATION THROUGH, UH, TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND THEN REALLY WHAT IT LENDS ON AT THE VERY END OF THIS IS THE ONGOING, UH, ANNUAL PROPERTY TAX FOR HARVILLE JASPER COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY LARGE NUMBER THAT IS VERY SIMILAR, INCLUDING APPROXIMATELY 40 MILLION ANNUALLY FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD.
SO, UH, AND PLEASE STOP ME AT ANY POINT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS SLIDE.
I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN THIS NUMEROUS TIMES.
THIS DOES, THIS DOES, UH, HIGHLIGHT WHAT WHAT EXIT THREE REALLY IS.
AND WHAT THIS PROJECT REALLY IS TONIGHT IS, IS WHERE EXIT THREE IS THE PARKWAY NORTH, WHICH IS THE RED SECTION OF ROADWAY.
UM, WHICH IS A INTEGRAL PART OF THE INTERCHANGE ITSELF.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE LOGICAL TERMINOLOGY IN THE SOUTH, WHICH THE SOUTH PARKWAY CAME BEFORE YOU EARLIER THIS YEAR AND THEN LAST YEAR, UM, FOR APPROVAL AND WAS APPROVED.
AND THIS PORTION INCLUDES THE PARKWAY NORTH.
UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME OUTTA LAST MEETING WAS TRY TO GIVE SOME KIND OF GRAPHIC REPRESENTATION TO A 3D MODEL.
SO I AM LOOKING FOR INPUT ON THIS TONIGHT THAT THIS LAND LIKE YOU WANTED IT TO, BUT WE TRIED TO, WE TRIED TO GRAPHICALLY REPRESENT THE BEST AS POSSIBLE, HOW THE ROUTING OF TRAFFIC WILL OCCUR, TRAFFIC THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY, RIVERPORT AS A WHOLE.
'CAUSE AGAIN, GO BACK TO THE, THE BASIC EXPLANATION.
THERE ARE, THE BUSINESS PARK USES ARE, WILL BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE INTERCHANGE, WHEREAS THE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL, MAINLY RESIDENTIAL AND NORTH SIDE, UM, HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY CAN SEE THIS TO INDICATE WHAT YOU SEE THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN IS I 95.
WE HAD TO KIND OF ORIENT, WE LY ROTATE THIS AROUND TO MAKE IT MORE READABLE.
THIS THIS POINTER RIGHT HERE, THE GREEN KINDA LIKE WAVING MY HANDS AROUND EVERYWHERE.
AND THEN THE IP IS THE RESIDENTIAL AREA IN QUESTION.
WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS IS THE BUSINESS PART USES ON THE SOUTH END.
UM, ALL THE TRACTOR TRAILER TRAFFIC WILL BE CONCENTRATED IN THIS AREA AND NOT ANTICIPATED TO GO NORTH OF THAT, UH, AS REQUIRED AS PART OF THE IMP PROCESS.
THAT'S TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS PREPARED, UH, BY STEWART DAY.
I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT SOME PEOPLE BACK HERE CAN'T HEAR.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW.
I'LL TRY TO DO A BETTER JOB OF SPEAKING INTO THE MIC.
UM, AS I WAS SAYING, UH, TIA WAS UH, PERFORMED BY STANTEC AND HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE CITY'S TRAFFIC CONSULTING.
AND I THINK THEY, I KNOW THEY CONCUR WITH THE ASSESSMENT.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT AND HAD AS LATE AS YESTERDAY SOME, UH, FEEDBACK FROM DOT, UM, TRAFFIC REVIEWER AND THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT.
AND NOW WE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THESE FINAL COMMENTS, BUT THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE, UH, PROPOSED FOR THE CHURCH ROAD 3 21 INTERSECTION, WHICH WILL, IS PROPOSED TO CURRENTLY CONSIST OF A ROUNDABOUT, UH, TO BE CREATED, UH, AND BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION BY THE 250 CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
UH, ONE THING I WANNA POINT OUT, 'CAUSE THIS WAS, WAS A CONCERN THAT WAS LISTED LAST TIME, THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THAT INTERSECTION IS CURRENTLY
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EXISTS AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE C BASED ON THE, UH, DATA GATHERED FROM FIELD INSPECTIONS, WHICH RESULTS IN A CALCULATED PEAK DELAY OF APPROXIMATELY 23 SECONDS WITH THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH MEANS BUILD LEVEL OF SERVICE WILL END UP AS AN IMPROVEMENT TO A LEVEL OF SERVICE B AND REDUCE THE LAY DOWN TO APPROXIMATELY 12 SECONDS, ALMOST HALF OF WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY IN THIS PROJECT.OTHERWISE, IF IT CONTINUES ON, IT WILL CONTINUE TO DETERIORATE TO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
E UM, DID WANNA POINT OUT, SINCE WE HAVE DOT'S HERE AND UNDERSTANDING, WE VISITED THE SITE, THE ROMO STRIPS, UH, ALONG CHURCH ROAD LEADING INTO THE INTERSECTION AT PERRYSBURG.
THEY HAVE DETERIORATED DOT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT'S AN ISSUE.
SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATIONS, BUT IT, IT WILL REQUIRE BRINGING IN THEIR, THEIR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE TO PUSH THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO ENGAGE WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, CITY OR BRING YOU GUYS INTO THAT CONVERSATION TOO.
UH, QUESTION WAS ASKED DURING THE LAST MEETING, UH, DISTANCE FROM OUR PRIMARY INTERSECTION, UM, INTO THE DEVELOPMENT DOWN TO 3 21.
MEASURED IS APPROXIMATELY 3,200 LINEAR FEET.
UH, AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THIS TOO.
I THINK THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS, MAYBE ALSO FOLLOWING WHAT A ROUNDABOUT, AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO SEE ON THIS PLAN, BUT THERE WAS A PRIOR VERSION OF A CONCEPT FOR ROUNDABOUT AT THIS INTERSECTION.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT DOES FIT PRETTY WELL INSIDE OF THAT INTERSECTION, UM, AS IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW.
AND HOPEFULLY MINIMIZES OR ELIMINATES ANY NEED FOR ANY ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, UH, STORM WATER, UM, AS REQUIRED IN THE PDD AND STATE AND FEDERAL GUIDELINES.
I CAN ASSUME MS. GUZMAN, 'CAUSE I KNOW THIS IS A HOTSPOT FOR YOU.
UM,
THAT'S JUST A REQUIREMENT WE HAVE TO, TO ADHERE TO.
UM, DID WANNA POINT OUT THAT IT, THE POND SYSTEM WILL BE DESIGNED AS, AS DO, UH, TO BE ABLE TO CONTAIN WITH EMERGENCY OVERFLOW.
WHERE IS THE A HUNDRED YEAR EVENT? UM, WE ENSURE THAT ALL HOMES ARE ABOVE THE A HUNDRED YEAR ELEVATIONS.
AND YOUR, YOUR ORDINANCES REQUIRE THIS, WHICH IS, DOES GO TO YOUR POINT, ALWAYS ABOVE AND BEYOND DOES REQUIRE FINISHED FLOORS TO BE ABOVE THAT, WHICH, THAT'S A GOOD THING, UM, CULVERT'S DESIGNED TO ADHERE AND MINIMIZE UPSTREAM, BOTH IN MINIMIZE UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM, UH, CONVEYANCES.
BUT THE MAIN DIFFERENTIATOR WITH THIS PROJECT THAT THAT IS UNIQUE IS BEEN THE ONGOING COMMUNICATION, WHICH IN THE LIST OF QUESTIONS WE'LL GET TO THE END, THE AMOUNT OF AGENCIES AND ENTITIES THAT HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATED WITH AND, AND VETTED THIS PROJECT IS LARGE.
UH, AND THE FACT THAT THIS AGREEMENT THROUGH THE WETLAND PERMITTING PROCESS, THERE'S AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS REACHED WITH THE SOUTHERN ENVIRONMENTAL LAW CENTER, LCLC, WHO IS REPRESENTING KIND OF A CONGLOMERATION OF ENTITIES IN THE AREA WHO HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL INTEREST.
THE REQUIREMENT WAS, THE REQUIREMENT IN THE AGREEMENT AS IT'S ESTABLISHED RIGHT NOW, IS TO INTRODUCE OR INSTALL SEVEN SURFACE WATER HBH HOBO MONITORING WELLS, WHICH WILL PROVIDE REAL TIME MONITORING AND REPORTING BACK, UH, ONLINE FOR PEOPLE TO UTILIZE.
WE ACTUALLY HAD A FIELD FIELD VISIT ABOUT THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AGO WITH SOME MEMBERS OF SELC AND VOLUNTARILY WE FOUND A COUPLE OF THE AREAS AND VOLUNTARILY AGREED TO INSTALL FOUR ADDITIONAL MONITORING WELLS.
THERE'S SEVEN DOWNSTREAM, FOUR UPSTREAM.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT'S NEGOTIATED.
THERE'S ALSO BEEN VOLUNTARILY PROVIDED A 200 FOOT MINIMUM BUFFER ALONG THE WILDLIFE REFUGE SOUTH OF NINE FIVE.
I REALIZE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NORTH OF 95, BUT I WANNA RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A PRIOR PROPERTY CONVEYANCE OF 276 ACRES, AS NOTED ON THE SLIDE, TO ACCOMMODATE THAT BUFFER BETWEEN PBURG ROAD AND WILDLIFE REFUGE.
UM, THERE WILL BE A MINIMUM 50 FOOT UNDERSERVED WELLING BUFFER VE UH, ES ESTABLISHED AROUND THE PRESERVED WELLING AREAS, UM, THAT LEAD INTO THE WILDLIFE REFUGE.
UH, IN ADDITION, GOING BACK TO THE OVERARCHING GOAL OF GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THIS PROJECT IS WILL ADHERE THROUGH THE AGREEMENT TO MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SLOW CO OF RETAINING TO THE 85TH PERCENTILE STORM, UH, SOMETHING THE CITY HAS BEEN TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
SO THAT IS INCORPORATED INTO THIS AGREEMENT.
UM, THERE'S PERMANENT MONITORING FUNDS THAT WILL BE ESTABLISHED.
AND TO THAT POINT, THE, THERE WILL BE A BOARD ESTABLISHED, AS YOU CAN SEE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL RESTORATION, COASTAL RESILIENCE, LAND OR ACQUISITION PROJECTS.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO FUND THAT TO THE TUNE OF APPROXIMATELY $7 MILLION.
UM, THIS IS JUST A SLIDE SHOWING THE HOBO MONITORING WELLS OF THE YELLOW BOXES, ARROWS JUST POINT TO WHERE THOSE LOCATIONS ARE AND ALL THE APPROPRIATE OUTFALLS.
THIS IS THE IMP AREA IN THE NORTH.
THERE'S A HARDY JASPER COUNTY CANAL THAT DRAINS THE NORTHERN AREA OF, OF THE CITY DOWN THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
SO THERE'LL BE MONITORING WELL AT THAT LOCATION AS LOW WELL AS WETLAND OUTFALLS.
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HAVE INCOMING MONITORING WELLS SO WE CAN GAUGE, UH, QUALITY OF WATERS THAT COMES THROUGH THE SYSTEM.UM, JUST TO POINT OUT, HAD THIS GRAPHIC, JUST SO IT WAS EASIER FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND, THAT AREA WAS DISCUSSING THE 276 ACRES.
THE INP AREA IS NORTH OF THIS, UH, THE 276 ACRES THAT WERE CONVEYED TO, UH, THE UNITED STATES EAR, UH, FOR FELLOW WILDLIFE REFUGE WHERE IN THIS AREA.
AND THEN SOUTH IS WHERE A 200 FOOT MINIMUM, 200 FOOT LARGER IN THIS AREA, APPROXIMATELY 700 FOOT BUFFER HAD BEEN CONVEYED TO, UH, OR WILL BE PRESERVED ON SITE FOR BUFFERING FOR THE PROPERTY.
CULTURAL RESOURCES MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN ONGOING SINCE 2009.
UH, FULL COMPLIANCE LEVEL ONE ARCHEOLOGICAL SURVEYS HAVE BEEN PERFORMED BY RS WEB AND ASSOCIATES.
UM, SO THERE'S AGAIN, 15, 16 YEARS WORTH OF DATA IS APPROVED BY SHIPPO.
IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED THOROUGHLY VETTED BY SHIPPO, UH, JASPER COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND BATTLEFIELD PRESERVATION TRUST REQUESTED PARTICIPATION IN THE ULTIMATE M MO MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT HAS BEEN EXECUTED.
UH, AND THE BATTLEFIELD TRUST ACTUALLY SIGNED THE MOU, UH, THROUGH THE EFFORTS AND COORDINATION BY RS WEB AND SHIPPO, THE BURG BATTLEFIELD SITE.
THE LIMITS OF THAT WERE ACTUALLY PROVIDED BY SHIPPO TO US FOR USE.
AND IT STIPULATED THERE ARE BUFFERS THAT, THAT OVERLAY ON THE PROPERTY, UM, WHERE IT IS APPLICABLE.
UH, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY SHOWN IT'S, IT'S HARD TO TELL, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY, THEY'RE REPRESENTED IN REFLECTED ON OUR PLAN, UM, TO, TO REPRESENT THAT 50 FOOT BUFFER, UM, THROUGH THE MOU AND SHIPPO'S STANDARD PROCESS.
PHASE TWO TESTING AND EVALUATION IS, IS ALLOWED.
UH, THERE'S CURRENTLY 1, 2, 3, 4 SITES ONGOING AT THIS TIME.
AND THERE, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS FALL INTO NEXT YEAR, ADDITIONAL TESTING WILL OCCUR AND EITHER WILL BE, YOU KNOW, CLEARED AND NOT, NOT NO LONGER NO PRESERVATION FURTHER REQUIRED OR WILL BE PRESERVED IN PLACE THROUGH COVENANTS AND BUFFERS.
UM, PART OF THE, PART OF THE MOU CONDITIONS ARE THE EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS TO BE PROVIDED AND TO SHIPPO AND US ARMY CORPS EVERY YEAR FOR THE TREATMENT PLAN IDENTIFIED FOR EACH SITE TO KEEP THEM UPDATED.
AS THIS PROCESS CONTINUES, WE RECOGNIZE PETERSBURG ROAD IS AS IT'S CALLED OUT AND THERE IS A HISTORICAL RESOURCE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DEVELOP IT.
BUT AS PART OF THAT, THERE WILL BE A HISTORICAL, UH, DOCUMENT PREPARED TO MONUMENT THAT AS WELL AS A PLAQUE MONUMENT TO BE PLACED AT MILLSTONE LANDING TO DOCUMENT THE PERRYSBURG ROAD AREA.
UM, QUESTION WAS ASKED ALSO ABOUT PROVIDING A COPY, AND WE DID, I'VE SAID THIS NUMEROUS TIMES, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I WAS RIGHT, BUT WE DID CHECK WITH SHIPPO AND IT IS A REQUIREMENT.
THIS INFORMATION REALLY DOES NOT NEED TO BE OUT IN THE PUBLIC REALM, UH, IN ORDER TO PREVENT UN UNAUTHORIZED DISCOVERY AND DISTURBANCE.
WE DID TALK WITH RS WEB, UM, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE DOCUMENT REDACTING SCRUBBING IT, BUT THEY STILL NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEND IT TO SHIPPO TO MAKE SURE IT IS SCRUBBED THOROUGHLY ENOUGH THAT IT MEETS THEIR REQUIREMENTS.
SO ONCE THAT'S COMPLETED, WE CAN PROVIDE THE DOCUMENT.
UM, AND LAST, JUST WANTED TO HIT ON ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS TOO, WAS, UM, WASTEWATER PUMP STATIONS, THERE ARE, THERE ARE TWO WASTEWATER PUMP STATIONS INSIDE THE PROJECT.
THIS BEING THE FIRST IN THE PHASE ONE AREA THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED.
UH, WE'VE HAD ONGOING CONVERSATIONS, BI-WEEKLY MEETINGS WITH BEAUFORT, JASPER WATER AND SEWER AUTHORITY, WHICH HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL, HAVE PROVIDED THEIR ASSET MAPS.
SO, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE PERFORMED INITIAL MODELING, WE'RE CONTINUING THAT DIALOGUE WITH THEM.
'CAUSE FRANKLY FOR JASPER IS, IS WORKING THROUGH SOME REROUTING OF FACILITIES, UH, FROM THE 2 78 AREA IN WEST BACK THROUGH TO THE HARDY WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINED ANSWER YET, BUT IT IS AN ONGOING PROCESS AND WHATEVER, WHATEVER CONDITIONS THAT EXIST IN HIS EXISTING PUMP STATIONS ALONG PERRYSBURG OR EXCUSE ME, CHURCH ROAD IN ANY OF THESE AREAS WILL BE, UM, WILL BE, WILL BE ACCOUNTED FOR IN ANYTHING WE, WE DISCHARGE INTO THAT SYSTEM.
WE JUST WANT, I, I JUST WANNA HIT THE BULLET POINTS IF THAT'S OKAY.
DO WE HAVE TIME OR DO YOU, DO YOU REALLY WANT, I WANT YOU TO COMPLETE EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO PRESENT TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO, TO FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYTHING YOU WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW? YES.
LET'S SAY IT NOW BEFORE I OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
WELL, SOME OF THIS IS DUPLICATIVE SO I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON IT, BUT ONE QUESTION WAS A CLEAR AND SIMPLE EXPLANATION OF TRAFFIC COUNTS AND DATA.
A M PEAK HOUR IS PROJECTED TO BE THE HIGHEST, UM, LEVEL OF SERVICES, WHICH IS WHAT WE REPRESENTED IN THE SLIDE EARLIER.
AND IT'S FROM 7:00 AM TO 9:00 AM.
UM, AGAIN, LEVEL OF SERVICE C CURRENTLY EXISTING WITH IMPROVEMENTS IN THE 23 20 33 CONDITION, THAT INTERSECTION WILL IMPROVE TO LEVEL SERVICE.
BRIE, WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS,
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UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION RELATED TO THE SCHOOL BUSES PER DAY ON CHURCH ROAD.WE CHECKED THE JASPER COUNTY WEBSITE, UH, AS REFERENCED HERE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WEBSITE, IT LISTED ONE BUS ROUTE ON CHURCH.
THAT'S BEST INFORMATION WE COULD OBTAIN.
I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S ANY OTHERS, DON'T TRAVEL DOWN THROUGH THERE, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S PUBLISHED.
UM, PROVIDE AN APPROVED CONCEPT BY S-C-D-O-T AND TIA.
WE AS MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION SINCE THE LAST MEETING AND EVEN BEFORE THAT AND HAD SOME DOCUMENTATION BACK YESTERDAY FROM JOSH JOHNSON WITH DOT.
JUST GOTTA WORK OUT SOME LAST DETAILS FOR THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS.
UH,
UH, CONFIRMED DISTANCE AS MENTIONED EARLIER, IS 3,200 FEET, UH, WORK WITH CITY MANAGER DETERMINE MAXIMUM.
I THINK THIS COMMENT WAS RELATED TO THE FACT THAT IT WAS INITIALLY CONSIDERED TO BE 500 UNITS.
APPLICANT HAS AGREED THAT THE, THE IMPLEMENTATIONS OF IMPROVEMENT WILL BEGIN, WILL HAVE BEGUN BY THE 250TH CO UH, DISCUSS NUMBER OF STRIP, RIGHT? AS MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'LL CONTINUE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH DOT RELATED TO THE RUMBLE STRIPS.
3D MAP WAS AS INCLUDED IN THE SLIDESHOW.
UM, PROVIDE CONSTRUCTION SAFETY PLAN.
UM, WE WILL OBVIOUSLY ENCOURAGE THE CONTRACTOR TO ADHERE TO ALL LOCAL GUIDELINES RELATED TO TRAFFIC SAFETY MEASURES.
UH, IT WILL BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
WE'LL ASK FOR SUPPORT FROM THE CITY TO HELP ENFORCE THOSE MEASURES.
UM, 'CAUSE THEY WILL BE PUBLIC ROADS, UH, ONCE THEY'RE ON CHURCH ROAD, OBVIOUSLY.
AND OTHERS, UH, CAN YOU SCROLL TO THE NEXT, SORRY.
UH, THERE'S A, UH, EXPLAIN WETLAND PERMIT PROCESS AND OTHER AGENCIES.
UH, ERIC, KINDA LIKE YOU MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, A NUMBER OF PARCELS INCLUDED.
I WAS TRYING TO ADD THIS UP EARLIER AS I WAS SITTING HERE.
I BELIEVE THERE'S AT LEAST 15 OR 16 ENTITIES THAT WE HAVE ENGAGED WITH THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PERMITTING PROCESS OVER 16 YEARS.
SO PROCESS IS SECTION 4 0 4 WETLAND PERMIT PROCESS.
YOU APPLY TO THEM, YOU GO THROUGH VETTING REVIEWS, PUBLIC NOTICES, AND EVENTUALLY LAND ON, BECAUSE THIS HAD AN INTERCHANGE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, A FINDING OF NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS THAT ALLOWED THIS TO BE APPROVED.
I THINK WE TOUCHED ON MOST OF THAT THROUGHOUT THE SLIDESHOW.
RELATED TO ANY OF THE STORMWATER MEASURES AND THE ACCOMMODATIONS THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO WITH THE MOU AND SELC.
UM, SAME AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO TOUCH BACK ON THAT, THAT EXPLAIN MEASURES TO PREVENT SAVANNAH RIVER POLLUTION CONTAMINATION.
THERE'S ALWAYS A BALANCE BETWEEN STORMWATER QUANTITY AND QUALITY AND THE AMOUNT OF DISCHARGE AND THE NEED TO RETAIN AS MUCH ON PO AS ON SITE AS POSSIBLE.
IT'S ACTUALLY STATE REQUIREMENT CAN'T, CAN'T RELEASE ANY SOONER THAN 24 HOUR OR RELEASE TO A 24 HOUR PERIOD.
SO IT'S BEST THAT THESE POND SYSTEMS WAS HOW THEY'RE DESIGNED, WHICH IS REGIONALLY ACCEPTED AS THE METHOD OF OF STORMWATER TREATMENT IS.
THESE PONDS GATHER SEDIMENT INTO THEM AND ARE ALLOWED TO SETTLE THOSE SEDIMENTS IN PARTICULATES OUT TO THE BOTTOM.
UM, BUT TO ENSURE PROPER QUALITY WATER QUALITY MEASURES ARE IMPLEMENTED AND ADHERE TO THE HOBO MILL, HOBO WELLS WILL BE THERE IN PLACE TO ACTUALLY CAPTURE THAT DATA TO CONFIRM AND IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES REQUIRED TO, UH, RECTIFY THOSE IMMEDIATELY.
SO THE APPLICATION STILL READS RIVERPORT PARKWAY NORTH.
APPLICANT HAS NO ISSUES WITH LEAVING THAT AS PERRYSBURG ROAD.
ONLY REASON IT EVER CAME INTO BEING IS NAMED RIVERPORT PARKWAY IS 'CAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM CAN RECOGNIZE FURIES BURG ROAD IS A LONG SECTION OF ROADWAY.
IT WAS JUST THE EASIEST WAY TO DESIGNATE FOR AGENCIES, CONTRACTORS, US, EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LIMITS OF THIS PROJECT REALLY WERE.
THE ONE AND A HALF MILES TO THE NORTH AND THE FOUR MILES TO THE SOUTH.
SO WE WILL WORK WITH DOT, UM, IN MAKING SURE AS EXIT THREE AND 9 95 IS DEVELOPED, ANY APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE WILL STILL LIST PERRYSBURG ROAD UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER PROCESS THAT COMES ALONG AND ANYBODY WANTS A DIFFERENT OUT TO.
BUT WE HAVE, AGAIN, BACK TO THE MAIN POINT, WE HAVE NO ISSUES WITH LEAVING HIS PERRYSBURG.
UH, I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, CULTURAL RESOURCE SURVEY, SAME THING, REDACTED VERSION.
WE JUST NEED RS WEB TO FINISH THAT AND GIVE THAT TO SHIPPO FOR FINAL CONFIRMATION.
AND LIST STATIONS HAD TOUCHED ON THAT PRIOR.
SO SORRY, APPRECIATE YOU ALLOWING ME THAT MUCH TIME TO GO THROUGH THIS AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU MAY COME BACK, THE COUNSEL MAY HAVE QUESTIONS.
AS I, AS I UH, MENTIONED TO AS WE STARTED, UH, I'M GOING TO, UM, ADHERE STRICTLY TO OUR RULES OF ORDER, WHICH WILL BE THREE MINUTES FOR EVERY SPEAKER AFTER EVERY SPEAKER SPEAKS, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S FEELINGS AND OPINIONS ARE HEARD.
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SHOW OF HANDS OF WHO AGREES WITH THAT STATEMENT.SO, UH, THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME UP AND SAY THE SAME THING.
AND, UM, WE WILL HOLD A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT AND A 30 MINUTE SPEAKING TIME, NOT PAUSES IN BETWEEN.
SO THAT MEANS IF, IF EVERYBODY SPEAKS THREE MINUTES, THAT MEANS 10 PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEAK.
AND AFTER WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, THEN I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR COUNSEL.
SO AT THIS TIME, ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT OR ASK A QUESTION, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD.
HI, MY NAME IS MARY CAITLYN DRAPER.
I LIVE AT 3 8 3, UM, MCGEE ESTATES.
UM, I AM THE FISH HOOK ROAD THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE TOWN LIMITS.
WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OF BURG, I GUESS, TOWN LIMITS.
UM, MY QUESTION WAS CHURCH ROAD ITSELF.
I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF FAMILIES IN THAT AREA.
I FEEL LIKE WE NEED SIDEWALKS AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE PLANS REFLECT THAT.
I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY A SEPARATE, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE SEPARATE FROM THE RIVERPORT BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE RIVERPORT PLANS, BUT I FEEL LIKE IF YOU'RE IMPROVING ROADS, I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST SINCE THEY'RE BUILDING A COUNTY OR THERE'S LIKE A, A SCHOOL GOING UP IN THAT AREA AS WELL.
SO THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE OF SCHOOL BUSES, WHICH, WHICH IS FINE.
I'M A PRESCHOOL TEACHER, SO I'M ALL ABOUT IT FOR SAFETY.
UM, I'M GLAD YOU GUYS ARE REPLACING THE STRIPS.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO WALK ON THAT STREET AND EXERCISE.
I ALSO WANNA MENTION THERE'S A LOT OF DRAG RACING GOING ON.
I LIVE ON A COUNTY ROAD, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A PRIVATE JUST CUTOFF ROAD.
AND THEY SIT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND THEN THEY SPEED UP TO THE STOP SIGN.
THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE HIDING BECAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE LINE OF PINE TREES.
SO WITH THIS PROJECT GOING ON, THERE'S GONNA HOPEFULLY BE A LOT MORE POLICE PRESENCE, BUT DEFINITELY THE SIDEWALKS AND CROSSWALK IN FRONT OF THAT SCHOOL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT THERE.
I JUST FEEL LIKE WITH THE KIDS TRYING TO CROSS THE STREET, MAYBE THOSE BLINKING STOP SIGNS.
SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TAKE THE REST OF MY ONE MINUTE, I CAN
WE ALREADY HAVE AN EXTRA MINUTE AND 17.
ANYONE ELSE? OH, UM, I FORGOT, I FORGOT MY OWN RULES.
WHO AGREES WITH THAT LAST STATEMENT? PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
SO YOU ALL AGREE SIDEWALKS AND MORE POLICE PRESENCE.
I LIVE AT 3 85 FULL SWEEP EAST.
UM, I'M HERE IN A TWOFOLD, UH, POSITION.
UM, AS A RESIDENT OF VILLE, I WANT TO SEE VILLE MOVE FORWARD.
AND AS CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
I DID WHEN THEY CAME BEFORE US.
UM, I THINK THE DEVELOPER HAS ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS ON STORM WATER WILL BE, UH, THE FLOODING ON CHURCH ROAD WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF AS HE DEVELOPS, UM, TRAFFIC.
YOU CAN'T BLAME THE DEVELOPER FOR DRAG RACING.
YOU CAN'T BLAME THE DEVELOPER FOR PEOPLE SPEEDING ON CHURCH ROAD.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
BUT I DO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
I SUPPORTED IT WHEN, WHEN THEY CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND, AND I ASKED THE COUNCIL, PLEASE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT TO SEE VILLE MOVE AHEAD.
ANYONE IN IN THE PUBLIC AGREES WITH MR. TALBOT? PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
I'M DEBORAH BUTLER, AND I RESIDE AT 1 0 7 ROBERTS LANE, WHICH IS IN PBURG.
UM, MY CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC.
AND, UM, ON, ON PBURG ROAD, I I READ THE VISION ESTABLISHED BETWEEN
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THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY AND THE CITY COUNCIL.WHEN YOU DEVELOP, UM, WHAT, WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED AND WHAT WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS CREATED A CORRIDOR, SOME OF WHICH IS NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT, BUT THE ULTIMATE, UM, THE ULTIMATE OUTCOME WILL BE A CORRIDOR THAT RUNS RIGHT THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY OF SEMIS GOING TO EXIT EIGHT, I MEAN EXIT THREE, THE, THE, UH, WAREHOUSES AND THE PORTS AND CONTINUING, UM, PROBABLY SOUTH ON EXIT THREE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I READ THIS, THIS IS WHAT'S IN THE, IN THE AGREEMENT WHEN COMPLETED.
RIVERPORT PARKWAY IS ANTICIPATED TO BE A FOUR-LANE LIMITED ACCESS ARTERIAL ROADWAY THAT WILL PROVIDE A ROUTE TO EXIT THREE VIA A CONNECTION TO US HIGHWAY 3 21 AT THE NORTH END AND US HIGHWAY 17 AT THE SOUTHERN END, AND WILL ULTIMATELY SERVE AS THE PRIMARY ACCESS TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE RIDDEN THE COMPLETE BURG ROAD FROM 3 21.
THAT TRAFFIC WILL NOT COME TO HARDY V DOWN 3 21.
THEY WILL CUT OFF ON BURG ROAD, WHICH IS A COUNTRY ROAD AND COME ALL THE WAY THROUGH EVERY ONE OF OUR HOME WHERE, WHERE ALL OF US LIVE.
SO, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT COULD YOU GUYS DO? YOU, YOU INHERITED AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION BECAUSE YOU INHERITED, LIKE YOUR ADMINISTRATOR SAID SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED.
AND I'VE BEEN CURRING AROUND TALKING TO PEOPLE.
ONE THING THAT CAN HAPPEN, UM, ACCORDING TO SOMEONE WITH THE, UH, SOUTH COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, THIS, THIS BODY COULD PASS AN ORDINANCE LIMITING THE NUMBER OF AXLES THAT CAN TRAVEL ON PBURG ROAD, THE PART THAT YOU CAN CONTROL.
ADMITTEDLY, THAT'S HARDER TO DO THROUGH THE STATE, BUT YOU COULD ACTUALLY LIMIT THAT THEY DO IT IN CITIES ALL THE TIME TO PROTECT THEIR, UM, SOME OF THEIR AREAS YOU'VE SEEN BYPASSES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THOSE SEMIS COULD NOT GET TO EXIT THREE BY COMING THROUGH OUR COMMUNITIES AND THROUGH OUR TWO HISTORIC CEMETERIES.
SO I'M PLEASED ASK YOU, I KNOW IT'S NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT, BUT WE MISSED OUR OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MORE OF AN INPUT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS, I'M SPEAKING TO FUTURE AND WHAT'S COMING.
WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT INTERCHANGE IS DEVELOPED, IT'S GOING TO DESTROY OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR CHURCHES.
I MEAN, OUR CEMETERIES RIGHT THERE HAVE NO PROTECTION.
I CHECKED WITH THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT, THERE'S NO RIGHT OF WAY THERE.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD FOUR LANE THROUGH THERE, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S ONE CONCERN AND ONE POSSIBLE THANK YOU MR. POSSIBLE SOLUTION.
AM I OUT OF TIME? YOU'RE OUTTA TIME.
I'LL WRITE THE REST UP AND SEND IT TO YOU.
COULD I HAVE A SHOW OF HANDS? OKAY.
SEEM A LOT OF HANDS ON THAT SIDE.
AND LIKE COUNCILMAN CARROLL HERE, I'VE BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE.
UM, I'LL GET RIGHT TO THE POINT ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT AND ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY ON THE CHURCH ROAD.
THAT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY HAZARD.
IT'S BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THIS COUNCIL AS BEING SUCH, IT WAS TALKED ABOUT IN THE WORKSHOP AND TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS SAID, I THINK IT WAS NUMBER SIX ON YOUR MAP AT THE WORKSHOP.
AND TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS STATED THAT IT WAS A PUBLIC SAFETY HAZARD.
SO IN MY VIEW, NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT IN MY VIEW, IF YOU, IF THIS BODY HAS RECOGNIZED THAT AS A PUBLIC SAFETY HAZARD AND IF THEY'VE ACKNOWLEDGED IT, THEN YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, THIS HAZARD.
UM, IN FACT, I THINK AT THIS POINT YOU PROBABLY HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU HAVE THE, UH, DEVELOPER TO SIMPLY ABANDON THAT DRIVEWAY THAT GOES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, ON THE CHURCH ROAD THAT SOLVES A PROBLEM.
WHO AGREES WITH THAT? UH, YEAH.
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HI.THANK YOU FOR LETTING US TALK AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY.
MY NAME IS ONIA ANITA FLOWERS.
I'M A MICHAEL 2 7 5 OLD CHARLESTON HIGHWAY AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY.
BUT YOU HAVE TO TRAVEL OLD CHURCH ROAD TO ACTUALLY FEEL IT.
I SAID ASKING QUESTION, HAVE THEY STARTED BUILDING ALREADY? BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE ALREADY.
AND I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE 3 21.
DO YOU GUYS TRAVEL AND TRY TO CROSS 3 21? BECAUSE IT'S LIKE THE GAME.
WE PLAY CHICKEN CROSSING THE ROAD.
AND I ALWAYS TELL MY KIDS WHEN YOU GET TO 3 21, LOOK TWICE, LOOK AGAIN AND LOOK AGAIN BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW A ROUNDABOUT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE 18 WHEELERS THAT ALWAYS COME THROUGH 21 AND WE JUST HAVE TO CROSS OVER.
RIGHT NOW IT'S A LOT OF A CONSTRUCTION RIGHT THERE AT THE INTERSTATE.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE PLANS ON THAT PART, BUT CHURCH ROAD, YOU CAN'T WIDEN.
YOU CAN'T WIDEN BECAUSE THERE'S RESIDENTIAL ON EACH SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY.
SO IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SAFETY, THAT SHOULD BE THE FIRST THING YOU THINK ABOUT.
NOW ON THE FIRST WORKSHOP, I THINK I HEARD, I THINK IT WAS DWAYNE LEE, HE SAID, WHY CAN'T YOU JUST BUILD ANOTHER ROAD THAT'S GOING TO ACCOMMODATE? I THINK I HEARD 500 HOUSES.
FIRST BILL, I CHALLENGE THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL TO DEMAND A HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENT BEFORE ANY HOUSES ARE BUILT.
YOU HAVE THAT AUTHORITY TO SAY, BEFORE ANY HOUSES ARE BUILT, LET'S TAKE CARE OF THE SAFETY ISSUES.
LET'S TAKE CARE OF THE HIGHWAY FIRST AND THEN LET'S DON'T PUT THE CHICKEN BEFORE THE EGG.
OKAY? SO I'M ASKING YOU TO DENY THIS PROMOTION, THIS MOTION OF MOVING THIS PROJECT FORWARD UNTIL YOU ADDRESS THE SAFETY ISSUES THAT PEWS BY RESIDENTS LIVE DAILY.
ANYONE ELSE? COMMUNITY TO GROW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A C CHURCH ROAD IS NOT.
TONY BENNETT LIVE ON PETERSBURG ROAD.
ANYHOW, MY CONCERNS IS THE EXIT THREE PARK THE SAME AS MS. WHAT'S HER NAME I WAS TALKING ABOUT MS. DEBORAH.
AND UH, BUT ANOTHER THING I'M THINKING ABOUT IS THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.
UH, HANS ALREADY ADMITTED WE'RE GONNA START CLEARING TREES, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING STUFF LIKE THAT.
I'VE BEEN IN CONSTRUCTION ALL MY LIFE.
SO HE'S GOING TO SIT HERE AND TELL US THAT HIS WORKERS, THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO USE ONE EXIT FOR NOW COMING ON THE CHURCH ROAD.
SO THE WORKERS ARE GOING TO BE COMING OUTTA THERE.
YOU START OUT WITH SURVEYORS, YOU START OUT WITH MAPPING OUT EVERYTHING.
THEN YOU COME INTO THE, YOUR LOGGING PART AND YOU GOT LOGGING TRUCKS, YOU GOT HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
THEN YOU COME INTO THE BUILDING AND YOU GOT ALL THE EMPLOYEES.
Y'ALL KNOW HOW THESE THINGS, THESE PROJECTS ARE BUILT ON SPEED.
SPEED MEANS MORE PEOPLE, OKAY? I'M IN CONSTRUCTION.
THERE'S NOT, THERE'S LOT OF LOCAL PEOPLE THAT CAN HANDLE PROJECTS THIS BIG.
THAT MEANS YOU'RE GONNA BE BRINGING IN EMPLOYEES.
OKAY? THAT MEANS HOUSING MOTELS.
HARDY BILL CAN ACCOMMODATE ALL THAT RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK SO.
AND I'M SORRY TO SAY, I MEAN, I LOVE HARDY BILL.
THE PROPERTY THAT'S ADJACENT TO THEIR PROPERTY HAS BELONGED TO MY WIFE SINCE 82.
OKAY? AS YOUR COMMENT, YOU SAID, OH, ABOUT THE NOTICES.
WE'VE NEVER GOT A NOTICE THAT IT WAS BEING ADOPTED INTO ANYTHING.
THAT HARDY BILL EVEN WAS GOING TO ANNEX IT OR THEY WAS GONNA DEVELOP IT IN 2009.
SO I SAID, THIS IS ALL NEW TO US
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AND I'M SORRY TO SAY, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU ALL THIS CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC IS GOING TO COME IN AND OUT.IT'S GONNA BE A TERRA ON CHURCH ROAD.
EXIT THREE GOES UP, YOU'RE RIDING DOWN EXIT THREE.
YOU KNOW WHAT THE BACKUPS WE HAVE AT EXIT FIVE.
THAT TRAFFIC STARTS BACKING UP.
WHERE'S YOUR GPS GONNA TELL YOU TO GO STRAIGHT DOWN BURG ROAD.
AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT NOBODY CAN DO ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, SEMIS, ANYBODY, ONCE THERE'S A BACKUP, YOU KNOW, WE ALL DO IT.
WE ALL LOOK TO GET OFF OF THAT HIGHWAY TO FIND A ALTERNATE WAY AROUND ALL THEM TRUCKS COMING FROM THEM.
WAREHOUSES AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOTTA GO TO COLUMBIA.
YOU THINK THEY GONNA GO ALL THE WAY UP TO 26 OR TO 17 AND GO THROUGH? NO, THEY GONNA HIT 3 21 STRAIGHTEST ROUTE, SHORTEST ROUTE FOR THEM.
WHO AGREES WITH THAT? OKAY, NEXT, EVERYONE SPEAK.
WHO WANTS TO SPEAK? GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNSEL.
HAD FOR MANY YEARS, UM, WANTED TO POINT OUT SOMETHING.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S BROUGHT UP AS TIME.
TIME IN PEOPLE'S LIVES ON A DAILY BASIS.
THE NUMBER OF HOMES ARE GONNA BE ASTOUNDING AND THE TRAFFIC'S GONNA BE ASTOUNDING.
AND I DON'T THINK THE ROADS ARE PREPARED FOR THAT.
AT A HUNDRED HOMES, THAT'S GONNA BE 200 VEHICLES.
THESE GONNA BE TWO INCOME FAMILIES.
THERE'S GONNA BE 200 VEHICLES TRYING TO LEAVE EVERY DAY.
EVERYBODY HAS TO REPORT TO WORK BETWEEN SEVEN AND EIGHT O'CLOCK.
SO THAT MEANS YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE AT SIX TO SEVEN.
SO THERE'S A ONE HOUR WINDOW, JUST A HUNDRED HOMES COMING OUTTA THAT ONE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE, UM, IF YOU FIGURE 10 SECONDS, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY SAYS IT IS 22.9 SECONDS.
IF YOU FIGURE 10 SECONDS TO LEAVE, UH, THAT DEVELOPMENT OR TO ACCESS 3 21, WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING, 10 SECONDS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, FOR 200 VEHICLES, 33 MINUTES.
IF ONE PASSED EVERY 10 SECONDS, WELL, THEY ALREADY SAY THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE.
YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME YOU DO, UM, FIVE DAYS OF THAT, YOU'RE SITTING IN TRAFFIC THAT THAT WORKS OUT TO TWO HOURS AND 46 MINUTES IN FIVE DAYS, YOU GO TO A A, A YEAR OF DOING THAT 52 WEEKS AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT 144 HOURS OF SITTING IN TRAFFIC.
NOW THAT'S JUST THAT DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH PEOPLE ON CHURCH ROAD, PBURG ROAD, HONEY HILL ROAD AND OLD CHARLESTON ROAD.
LOTS MORE PEOPLE, LOTS MORE VEHICLES.
WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE GENERATIONS.
SO I DON'T SEE HOW THIS IS FEASIBLE.
AND THEN YOU DOUBLE THAT NUMBER TO 200 HOMES OR TWO 50, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA START THE ROUNDABOUT, WHICH IS GONNA DELAY THINGS EVEN MORE.
SO YOU DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THOSE NUMBERS.
AND THEN THE FACT THAT THEY ALREADY SAY IT'S 22.9 SECONDS TO GET OUT, THAT'S DOUBLE THAT AMOUNT RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
THIS IS A, THIS IS A COMPANY WITH GREAT RESOURCES AND A LOT OF LAND AND GENERATING INCREDIBLE AMOUNTS OF INCOME AND REVENUE.
AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO BUY SOME LAND ON 3 21 AND HAVE ACCESS TO 3 21 AND NOT CHURCH ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW WHO'S PAYING FOR THE ROUNDABOUT, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
BUT IF THE STATE'S PAYING FOR IT TAXPAYER MONEY, MAYBE THEY COULD KICK IN AND HELP BUY SOME LAND ON 3 21 FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS AND SOLVE SOME OF THIS.
BUT THIS IS NOT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE ALL THEIR LIVES, 70, 80 YEARS, SOME PEOPLE AND THEN THEIR PARENTS, GRANDPARENTS, AND OWN LIVING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SORRY, I THOUGHT ALL THESE PEOPLE WANNA TALK.
HELLO, MY NAME IS JILL BENNETT AND
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I OWN THE PROPERTY ON CHURCH ROAD AND BEACHWOOD DRIVE.AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY BEFORE Y'ALL MAKE THIS VOTE TONIGHT, I WANT YOU TO VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS IT'S GONNA CAUSE ON CHURCH ROAD AND THE LOSS OF LIFE AND INJURIES THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC.
I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO THINK ABOUT THAT BEFORE YOU VOTE.
FAST FORWARD, WHO'S NEXT? MY NAME IS GREG PAGET.
I LIVE AT 4 82 DEERFIELD ROAD IN HARDY FIELD, JUST OUTSIDE OF TOWN.
AND I AGREE WITH, UH, MY NEPHEW HERE WHO JUST SPOKE, DOUG BUTLER.
UH, HE'S TOLD ME THAT HE LEAVES AT FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING SO HE CAN BEAT TRAFFIC AROUND HARDY V AND 2 78 GOING, BLUFFTON.
'CAUSE TRAFFIC IS GETTING BAD AND I, I DON'T WANNA GO ANYMORE.
EVERYBODY'S ALREADY TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC, SO I'M NOT GONNA TAKE YOU LONG, BUT I'M, I'M LIKE, WHO JUST SAID A WHILE AGO? YOU FOLKS DO A GREAT JOB FOR HARDY AND I COMMEND YOU FOR, FOR WATCHING OUT FOR THE TOWN OF HARDY.
I HOPE YOU CONTINUE TO WATCH OUT FOR THE TOWN OF HARVILLE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THESE PEOPLE.
THE FUTURE GROWTH OF HARDY V IS SPOILING SOME OF THE PEOPLE'S LIVES THAT ARE HERE.
THEY BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY ALONG PBURG ROAD YEARS AGO 'CAUSE IT WAS SERENE, IT WAS NICE, IT WAS QUIET, IT WAS PROPERTY B TO BE ENVIED OUT THERE.
AND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PROPOSED IS GONNA MAKE THAT JUST LIKE ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD AND WIDENING THAT ROAD IS GOING TO INCREASE THE TRAFFIC FOR THEM.
IT'S THEIR PROPERTY VALUE, I WOULD SAY IS PROBABLY GONNA GO DOWN RATHER THAN UP BECAUSE OF ALL THAT.
AND I WOULD IMPLORE YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE NOW, NOT THE ONES THAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE COMING IN THE FUTURE.
I APPRECIATE Y'ALL MORE THAN YOU KNOW, BUT I ALSO WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU'D LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS THAT ARE HERE NOW AND NOT WORRY ABOUT THE ONES COMING IN THE FUTURE.
WHO ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? WE'RE OKAY? UM, THAT'S NINE.
SO, OKAY, WE'RE, WE'RE, ALRIGHT.
ANYONE ELSE? LAST CHANCE? OKAY.
AT THIS THEN AT THIS TIME I'M GOING, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION IS OVER.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, AND UH, NOW AT THIS POINT WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO, UH, COUNCILS TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR DO ANY RESPONSES THAT THEY, UH, WOULD LIKE TO DO AT THIS TIME.
I'M GONNA START TO MY RIGHT WITH MR. MESMAN.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING HERE TONIGHT AND SPEAKING YOUR CONCERNS AS, UH, JOSH EXPLAINED AT THE BEGINNING, THIS WAS APPROVED 2006 THROUGH 2009.
THAT'S, I DIDN'T MOVE HERE TO THE LOW COUNTRY UNTIL 2013, BUT I MOVED HERE LIKE A LOT OF YOU HAVE.
I LOVE THE NATURE OF THE AREA.
BUT, AND THAT'S WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY BUT THIS WAS APPROVED BY A COUNCIL THAT MAYBE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE FORESIGHT WAS NEEDED.
BUT HERE WE ARE TODAY AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
LAMAR, YOU MIGHT AS WELL STAND ON UP THERE.
FIRST OFF FOR EVERYBODY I WANT, I SAID I WILL SUPPORT A LIMIT ON THE AXLES WHEN THIS PROJECT OR WHEN, WHEN DOT APPROVES.
I WILL SUPPORT AN AXLE LIMIT TO TRY TO ELIMINATE THE SEMIS IF POSSIBLE.
LAMAR, IN SPEAKING WITH YOU, DOT THE ROUNDABOUT, THAT WAS THEIR ONLY OPTION THAT THEY WOULD APPROVE.
WELL, I, I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER THIS TO STUART 'CAUSE HE HAS HAD THE DIRECT COMMUNICATION
I WORK FOR A COMPANY CALLED STANTEC.
WE DO TRAFFIC ENGINEERING WORK ALL OVER THE STATE, INCLUDING WORKING FOR THE CITY OF HARVILLE OCCASIONALLY.
UM, AND I, I DID COORDINATE WITH S-C-D-O-T, THIS INTERSECTION AS, AS Y'ALL ARE AWARE, USED TO HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ALIGNMENT AT THE INTERSECTION.
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THERE WERE MODIFICATIONS DUE TO THE ANGLE THAT IT CAME IN AT, WE EXPLORED.COULD IT BE A SIGNALED INTERSECTION OR A ROUNDABOUT INTERSECTION? UM, THERE PROS AND CONS TO BOTH.
UM, DUE TO THE GEOMETRY AND, AND THE SKEW THAT IT COMES IN AT AT CHURCH ROAD AND 3 21, A ROUNDABOUT ACTUALLY REQUIRES LESS RIGHT OF WAY TAKES.
AND DOT IS SUPPORTIVE OF A ROUNDABOUT, I THINK ONE, FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
AND IT ALSO PROVIDES A SAFER INTERSECTION, UM, FROM A CRASH STANDPOINT.
UM, AS LONG AS YOU'RE UP THERE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, ACCORDING TO WHAT THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS HAS SHOWN AND WHAT DOT HAS SHOWN, THIS IS A FAILING INTERSECTION WITH OR WITHOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AND WE ASSUMED A GROWTH RATE.
AND SO AS IT GOES INTO THE FUTURE, IT GETS WORSE AND WORSE.
AND SO IF THE, IF NOTHING IS DONE AT THE INTERSECTION, IT WOULD GO TO AN UNDESIRABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
UH, AS LONG AS YOU'RE THERE, ACCESS, ACCESS TO THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP.
ACCESS OFF OF PRAIRIES BURG OR OFF, I'M SORRY, OFF OF CHURCH ROAD, MUST MEET DOT STANDARDS BECAUSE THAT IS A STATE ROAD CONTROLLED ROAD.
THEY HAVE STANDARDS AS FAR AS VISIBILITY AND ALL OF THAT.
THEY'VE GOT, UH, SITE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS, THEY'VE GOT DRIVEWAY SPACING REQUIREMENTS AND THEN THEY'VE GOT TURN LANE REQUIREMENTS, UM, TO, TO PROVIDE SAFE INGRESS AND EGRESS FROM THE SITE.
THIS OKAY, BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO SECOND READING, I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE, I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE ON A MAP OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I CAN'T TELL BY LOOKING AT THIS, THIS SMALL VIEW HERE, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR EVERYBODY.
THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT HOW THE, THE VE THESE VEHICLES ARE GONNA ON AND OFF CHURCH ROAD USING THAT ACCESS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE WHAT AN ENTRANCE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE, WHAT THE STANDARDS HAVE TO BE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UM, THIS NEXT ONE'S FOR LAMAR REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF THE 3,200 FEET WITH ALL THE, THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, IT'S GONNA PUT SOME WEAR AND TEAR ON THAT ROAD.
IS THERE A PROCESS OR SOMETHING IN PLACE TO KEEP THAT ROAD IN DECENT SHAPE WHILE THIS IS ALL GOING ON? WELL, I, I DID WANT TO GO BACK AND MENTION, AND I APPRECIATE MR. BENNETT 'CAUSE HE, HE REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING I INTENDED TO INCLUDE IN HERE EARLIER.
WE'RE ALSO HAVING A DISCUSSION BACK TO THE POINT OF RIVERPORT PARKWAY.
BURG ROAD NORTH IS PRIMARY COMPONENT OF THIS PROJECT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE ACCESS AND PROBABLY WILL LIKELY, UH, UTILIZE THIS.
AND IT WILL BE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF A NEW CONNECTOR ROAD FROM THROUGH WHERE THE CITY'S BUSINESS PARK CURRENTLY EXISTS RIGHT NOW EXTENDING DOWN TO THE SECTION OF PERRYSBURG ROAD BETWEEN CSX CROSSING AND 9 95 PROVIDE AN ALTERNATE ACCESS.
WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH IS DURING CONSTRUCTION OF THESE HOMES, UNTIL THEY'RE GOING TO THE FIRST 250 HOMES ARE EVEN UP TO THE FIRST 500 THAT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC'S GONNA COME ALONG CHURCH ROAD.
DDOT WILL OBVIOUSLY BE OUT THERE IN MONITORING THAT SITUATION.
I THEY WILL KNOW THEY, THEY FOLLOW THAT AND IF THEY'RE CONS, OKAY, I'M GONNA HOLD Y'ALL TO THAT BECAUSE HOLD THE SHOVEL AS IT, YOU KNOW, THAT ROAD DETERIORATES, SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO FIX IT.
I AND THAT'LL BE WHERE A DISCUSSION WITH DOT, WE ALL KNOW HOW FAST DOT WORKS SO IN THE CONTRACT.
I LIVE IN A ONE ENTRANCE COMMUNITY OF NOW OF 3,200 HOMES.
AND IT'S NOT THE MOST IDEAL THING, BUT PATIENCE AND THINGS WILL HAVE TO, WILL WORK WITH IT.
BUT I SHARE THESE FOLKS' CONCERNS.
I KNOW THIS PROPERTY WAS EMPOWERED WAY BEFORE MY TIME, BUT I DO SHARE THEIR CONCERNS AND IF TO DO THIS, WE HAVE TO MAKE IT SAFE.
THE 250 HOMES FOR THE ROUNDABOUT.
I DON'T WANT YOU ALL WAITING UNTIL THE 249TH HOME TO START THE ROUNDABOUT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, A LOT BEFORE THAT BE, BE THAT BECAUSE WHAT ENGINEERING WILL TAKE WHAT A YEAR APPROXIMATELY.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT WILL BE UNDER DEVELOPMENT BY THE TWO 50TH BY, YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT WILL HAVE TO TWO, TWO TO THREE YEARS OF ENGAGEMENT TO ACCOMPLISH THAT UNDER UNDERSTAND.
BUT I'D LIKE YOU TO HAVE THIS PROCESS STARTED WAY BEFORE THE 250TH HOME.
IT IT'LL BE A FOCUS OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN ANY ANYWAY.
THIS IS THE QUESTION ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS ALONG CHURCH ROAD.
I FEEL FOR YOU THAT'S A COUNTY ROAD.
UH, THAT'S SOMETHING STATE ROAD, THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE TAKEN UP WITH WITH THOSE FOLKS I FEEL FOR YOU.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WITH THEM.
UM, YOU'VE ANSWERED MOST ALL THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE THAT I, THAT I HAD ABOUT IT.
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THE, UH, EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS, WILL THAT BE PUT IN? YES.AT A AS PART OF THE FIRST PHASE? AS, AS PART OF THE FIRST PHASE.
MAKE TO THE FIRST PHASE IT'LL BE THROUGH BEACHWOOD.
AND YOU SAID YOU WILL WORK WITH, UH, DOT, UH, THE SHERIFF AND HARDY V FOR, TO MAKE THAT ROAD AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE FOR YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT, YOUR LOGGING AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THERE.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S NO MAGIC PLAN FOR THAT, BUT PLEASE MAKE IT SAFE.
A DEVELOPMENT, UM, ON 2 78 THERE, THEY, THEIR CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE, THEY ACTUALLY WIDENED IT.
THEY EVEN PUT IN, UM, PADS THAT WILL PULL THE MUD OFF OF THE TRUCK TIRES BEFORE THEY GET ONTO 2 78.
I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
SO YOU'RE NOT PUTTING THE MUD AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT MAY BE ON THOSE TIRES BACK ONTO THE ROAD.
UM, YOUR SAFETY PLAN, YOU'VE, YOU'VE PUT INTO PLACE YOUR WETLAND PERMIT.
UM, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU VOLUNTARILY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE WATER PERMITTING FOR THAT.
WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW? SURE.
YOU TAKE A CHANCE AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU DOUBLE IT, YOU'RE A LITTLE SAFER THAN MEETING THE MINIMUM WITH IT.
UM, AND THE LAST THING IS, IS CAN YOU CHANGE THE NAME ON THOSE HOBO WELLS? THAT JUST DOES NOT SOUND GOOD.
WHATEVER YOU SUGGEST, PLEASE LOOK AT THAT.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT STANDS FOR.
UM, GOOD THAT YOU'RE STANDING THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW MY STORM WATER IS MY THING.
SO WITH THE STORMWATER THING, IS THIS DEVELOPMENT IN A SPECIAL HAZARD FLOOD ZONE? YES, IT IS.
PARTS OF IT ARE A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD.
SO IN ORDER TO PUT SHOVEL TO THE GROUND, DO I KNOW YOU HAVE TO GET A, UH, UH, NO IMPACT CERTIFICATION FROM FEMA? UH, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THERE'S A REVIEW BY THE CITY THAT INCLUDES REVIEW OF THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREAS RELATED TO THE GRADING.
SO I THINK Y'ALL ARE EMPOWERED WITH THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT FEMA HAS TO DO THE NO IMPACT CERTIFICATION IF YOU ARE IN A SPECIAL HAZARD FLOOD ZONE.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THERE WILL BE SOME INTERACTION WITH FEMA AT SOME POINT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY'RE IN A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA AND YOUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES BASE FLOOD TWO FEET ABOVE.
GENERALLY WHAT YOU'LL DO IS YOU'LL GO BACK AND FILE FOR A, A LOAN OR A LETTER OF MAP REVISION.
UM, ANY ENDANGERED SPECIES ON THAT PROPERTY? SO YES, BUT NOT IN THIS AREA.
AND THERE ARE STIPULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO, AND I DON'T REALLY WANNA DISCLOSE THAT PUBLICLY, BUT YES, THERE, THERE ARE PROTECTIONS INCLUDED IN THE 4 0 4 PERMIT FOR THE OKAY.
BUT THEY'RE NOT IN THIS, SO THEY'RE NOT IN THIS AREA AS THERE'S, THERE'S A PRESERVED AREAS AS YOU CAN SEE ON SOME OF THE EXHIBITS, BUT THAT SPECIES WAS NEVER ACTUALLY LOCATED OR ACTUALLY FOUND TO BE THERE.
NOW, BUT THE APPLICANT VOL, SORRY, THE APPLICANT VOLUNTEERED TO PRESERVE THAT AREA AS WELL AS AN AREA NORTH.
AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING MR. MESMAN JUST SAID.
AND I I AM CONCERNED WITH THE ROUNDABOUT.
IS THAT ROUNDABOUT ONCE IT'S DONE AT, UH, BEFORE THE 250TH HOME IS BUILT, IS THAT CORRECT? IT WILL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION WHILE BEFORE THE TWO.
UM, PLEASE EVERYBODY, WE GAVE EVERYBODY THE RESPECT OF LISTENING WITHOUT TALKING.
IF YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION, PLEASE TAKE IT OUTSIDE.
YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK, BUT IT'S, IT'S DISTRACTING.
UM, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
OKAY, SO WITH THE, WITH THE ROUNDABOUT, ONCE THE ROUNDABOUT GOES IN, BEFORE THAT 250TH HOME IS CONSTRUCTED, WILL THAT ROUNDABOUT BE CONTINUED TO BE USED FOR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC TO BE GOING AROUND THAT ROUNDABOUT UNTIL SUCH TIME IS EXIT THREE AND PERRYSBURG ROAD NORTH IMPROVEMENTS ARE COMPLETED? YES.
SO YOU'RE TELLING ME LOGGING TRUCKS ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT ROUNDABOUT? YEAH, I'M GONNA DEFER BACK TO MR. DAY WHO IS THE PROFESSIONAL RELATED TO THE GEOMETRY OF ROUNDABOUTS.
I DON'T THINK THEY CAN TAKE ANOTHER, THE AXLE THING TOO.
THE, THE TRUCKS WOULD, UNTIL EXIT THREE IS ACCESSED, THEN TRUCKS WOULD BE UTILIZING THAT ROUNDABOUT AND, AND IT WOULD BE DESIGNED SUCH THAT IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE WITH THE TRUCK APRON ON THE INSIDE OF THE ROUNDABOUT TO ALLOW FOR TRUCKS TO MANEUVER SAFELY THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.
SO WITH ALL THAT, THE, THE, THE THING THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, WHEN YOU HAVE A FULL LOAD OF LOGS AND THEY'RE MANEUVERING AROUND THAT ROUNDABOUT AND THE LOAD SHIFTS, WE'VE ALL SEEN WHAT CAN HAPPEN WITH THAT AND, AND YOU HAVE THE, THE BACK END
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OVERHANG AS WELL.SO I'M JUST CONCERNED WITH THE WHOLE SAFETY ISSUE OF THESE TRUCKS GOING AROUND THAT ROUNDABOUT.
AND I, I UNFORTUNATELY, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THEM HOW THEY ARE GOING TO SECURE THEIR LOAD, BUT IT, THE ROUNDABOUT GEOMETRY WOULD ACCOMMODATE FOR THE, UM, DIMENSIONS OF THE TRUCKS.
SO IT, IT WILL BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE, THE AXLES, NUMBER OF AXLES ON THAT LOGGING TRUCK.
I, I YIELD SIR, MR. WHITE, STEVEN, VALERIE, YOU'VE HIT SOME OF MY CONCERNS.
REITERATE THE, UH, SAFETY ISSUE.
AGAIN, APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'VE DONE LAMAR AND THE REST OF YOU GETTING SOME ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS AND UH, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, ANYTHING THAT I WOULD ASK WOULD BE REDUNDANT.
SO I'M JUST GONNA PASS IT ON TO, UH, JOHN.
I UM, MET WITH, UM, CITY MANAGER LAST WEEK.
I KIND OF, UM, LIKE I SAY FROM HERE AND I HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS AND UM, IN MY MIND, I'M SURE SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, THE ENTRANCE TO CHURCH ROAD AND THE END OF THE CHURCH ROAD WHERE A CEMETERY IS MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC AND WHATEVER.
AND I MET WITH UM, JOSH, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK LAST TUESDAY OR WHATEVER, AND WE GOT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE UM, ROUNDABOUT AND I THINK THE ROUNDABOUT IS GONNA HELP TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BUT THEN I HAD ANOTHER CONCERN BECAUSE AS A PROPERTY OWNER, THIS IS GONNA BE, THIS I THINK MOST OF Y'ALL KNOW IS RIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION.
AND SO I WAS MAKING SURE AND I TALKED TO JOSH AND THAT THAT UH, ROUNDABOUT IS GONNA BE MORE TO THE LEFT OF THAT INTERSECTION THAN THE RIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA AFFECT SOMEBODY'S THAT'S IN THIS AUDIENCE'S PROPERTY PRETTY BAD.
SO ANYWAY, JOSH AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT AND SO THAT IS A POINT, 'CAUSE I KNOW SOME OF Y'ALL ARE PROBABLY THINKING ABOUT THAT TOO.
AND THEN I CAN, I COULD NOT IN MY MIND, AND I ASKED JOSH, NOW WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE CEMETERY, THAT ROAD CAN'T BE WIDENED.
I MEAN YOU GOT A CEMETERY ON BOTH SIDES AND I COULD NOT, IN MY MIND, AND I ASKED JOSH, I MEAN WE TALKED PROBABLY AN HOUR JOSH, THOSE TRUCKS WHILE THOSE TRUCKS IN THAT AREA, I MEAN I, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION STARTS, BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE ALREADY COMPLAINING THAT THE TRUCK'S THERE.
AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU ONE THING ABOUT LAMAR.
I'VE HAD A LOT OF DEALINGS WITH THIS MAN AND HE IS AS HONEST AND HONORABLE AS HE CAN BE.
SO AS FAR AS HAVING TO DEAL WITH HIM, WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE.
BUT ANYWAY, I COULD NOT, AND I STILL DON'T TO THIS, THESE TRUCKS, WHY THESE TRUCKS GONNA BE IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN WE HAD ANOTHER QUESTION AND I, YOU KNOW, I LIVE HERE SO I HAVE PEOPLE THAT STOP ME AT THE POST OFFICE.
SO PEOPLE, THE WIGGLY OR WHATEVER, AND THAT'S OKAY.
THAT'S WHY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.
AND SOMEBODY ELSE HAD BROUGHT UP A POINT, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO IT WAS, BUT WHY ONCE EXIT THREE IS BUILT, THEORETICALLY THE BULK OF THE TRAFFIC SHOULD GO THAT WAY AND SHOULDN'T BE ANY REASON FOR IT TO GO TO THE OTHER WAY.
AND I THINK TO A CERTAIN EXTENT THAT'S TRUE ALSO.
BUT THEN YOU GOT THAT LITTLE LAW OF PROBABILITY, THE LEAST RESISTANCE IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GO.
SO ALL THESE ARE CONCERNS AND I JUST TO BE, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE ADDRESSED.
AND THEN THE LAST THING, AND I'LL HUSH MAYOR, UM, WAS A GENTLEMAN TALK, YOU KNOW, THAT INTERSECTION IS FAILING NOW MM-HMM
AND THEN WHEN THE ROUNDABOUT COMES, IS IT STILL FAILING? IS IT GONNA STOP IT FROM FAILING? HOW LONG IS IT GONNA STOP IT FROM FAILING? SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE IN MY MIND AND LAMAR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HELP ME WITH THAT 'CAUSE I KNOW THESE PEOPLE ARE THINKING THE EXACT SAME THING.
I'M THINKING, WELL I WILL SAY THE, THE INTRODUCTION OF A ROUNDABOUT CAN OCCUR SOONER THAN, AND STUART MAY KICK ME IN A MOMENT, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING VERSUS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, RIGHT? IT COULD JUST BE JUSTIFIED SOONER.
SO I THINK IT HELPS ACCELERATE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WHICH ARE MUCH NEEDED AT THAT INTERSECTION.
I MEAN, TO YOUR QUESTION, LONG TERM NOBODY HAS A CRYSTAL BALL.
I MEAN ALL OF THESE ARE PROJECTIONS BEST YOU CAN DO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE DURATION OF, OF HOW, WHAT THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE WILL BE.
I MEAN, DOT MONITORS, INTERSECTIONS, ALL I CAN SAY IS I THINK THEY'LL KEEP THEIR EYE ON THAT ONE THEY ALREADY KNEW RIGHT.
OF THE CONCERNS THROUGH OUR DISCUSSIONS.
SO FURTHER IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED OUT IN THE FUTURE.
I THINK IT'LL JUST BE SOMETHING THAT DOT WILL HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE AND JUST CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS ON THAT.
I DID WANNA MAKE ONE POINT LIKE, AND, AND I THINK IT'S WHERE YOU WERE GOING WITH THIS, 'CAUSE WE, WE'VE TAKEN A COUPLE DIFFERENT TRIPS OUT THERE AND I HAD BEEN THROUGH THE CEMETERY AT BURG.
I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND NOT THE NEED AND OR THE DESIRE NOT TO HAVE ANY TRUCKS GOING THROUGH THAT AREA.
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UM, I DON'T, I MEAN I'M NOT ARGUING 'CAUSE I DON'T LIVE THERE FULL TIME AND SEE IT, BUT I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT WOULD HAPPEN.BUT I THINK, AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN MS. BUTLER WHO BROUGHT IT UP AND I'M NOT SURE 'CAUSE I WAS WRITING SOME COMMENTS DOWN AS A WIND, BUT I DO AGREE WITH THE IDEA OF AT SOME POINT WHETHER THE COUNTY, THE CITY OR SOMEBODY MAYBE IMPLEMENT A RESTRICTION ON THAT AREA FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF AXLES NORTH OF THE ENTRANCE, EXCUSE ME, THE ENTRANCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND MILLSTONE LANDING BECAUSE I, I CAN SEE THE LOGICAL QUESTION BEING WHAT HAPPENS IF A TRUCK GOES UP THERE? WELL YOU GOT MILLSTONE LANDING RIGHT THERE, YOU COULD TURN AROUND AND COME BACK IF YOU LEAVE IN EXIT THREE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE CAN CONTINUE THAT.
SO YOU SAW I WAS COMING FROM YES.
YEAH, BECAUSE SCRATCH MY HEAD LOOKING AT IT TOO.
BUT, AND BY THE WAY, THANK YOU FOR THE COMPLIMENT.
I REALLY RESPECT ALL OF YOU AND APPRECIATE WORKING WITH YOU.
I MADE SOME NOTES NOT ONLY BASED ON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT I'VE JUST HEARD, BUT WHAT I HEARD AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, FIRST OF ALL, AS MR. GRUBER SAID, WHAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT IS NOT TO APPROVE IF THESE HOMES CAN GO THERE, WE HAVE NO CHOICE.
WE'RE NOT HERE FOR THE, IF WE'RE HERE FOR THE HOW.
AND THE REASON WHY WE'VE TAKEN SO MUCH TIME WITH THIS, UH, IS BECAUSE OF THE VERY REASONS THAT WE'VE STATED HERE OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
WE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE, THE PROJECT AND WHAT IMPACT IT HAS ON THE SAFETY OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE TAKEN SO LONG.
BUT WE'RE NOT HERE TO APPROVE WHETHER OR NOT THESE HOMES ARE ENTITLED TO GO THERE.
SO I JUST WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR.
UM, THERE'S, I ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT THERE WILL BE NO INCREASE IN ANY TRUCK TRAFFIC OTHER THAN CONSTRUCTION AS A RESULT OF HOMES.
WHATEVER TRUCKS HAPPEN OTHER THAN THE CONSTRUCTION WHILE CONSTRUCTION'S GONE ON, IT WILL NOT BE THE RESULT OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THESE HOMES.
LET'S FACE IT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO, PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA BE DRIVING THEIR SEMIS IN THERE AND PARKING IN THEIR GARAGE.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT NOW THAT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
SO I'M GONNA GO TO A QUESTION WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE THERE'S O THAT ONE EXIT AND WHAT, UH, OUR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS TALKED ABOUT CONSTRUCTION, WE HAVE REQUIRED THAT THERE BE SOME SORT OF, UM, UH, ACCESS MANAGEMENT FOR BIG VEHICLES LIKE WHAT WAS MENTIONED, THE LOGGING TRUCKS SO THAT THEY DON'T GO RIGHT ONTO THE ROAD AND TAKE THIS WIDE TURN AND EVERYBODY HAS TO STOP.
SO IS THERE A ACCESS YES LANE SO THESE BIG VEHICLES CAN ENTER WELL OR ACCESS QUESTION EARLIER.
THERE, THERE, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT TO PLACE A SHAKER PAD THERE I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING.
SO YES, THAT WILL CERTAINLY BE IMPLEMENTED AND THEN WHATEVER IS ALLOWABLE BY DOT FOR SAFE EGRESS ONTO THE HIGHWAY, RIGHT? WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S ABSOLUTELY THAT THESE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES CORRECT HAVE A TURNING RADIUS SO THAT THEY DON'T BLOCK THE ENTIRE CHURCH ROAD, RIGHT? YES.
UM, I WANT PUT EVERYTHING IN PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE WE GET, EVERY MONTH WE HAVE THE BUILDING PERMITS.
SO WE PRETTY MUCH KNOW THE RATE AT WHICH A, A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT OF THIS, UH, NATURE WOULD BE.
IF THERE'S 10 HOMES PER MONTH PERMITTED, I'LL BE SHOCKED.
TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE PERMITTED RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE REC CENTER NEXT TO ROYAL LIVE OAKS.
WE, WE PERMITTED, WE APPROVED THAT MASTER PLAN BEFORE COVID.
LOOK AT MILLSTONE LANDING ACROSS FROM OUR PUBLIC WORKS THERE.
WE APPROVED THAT SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AGO.
I LONG TIME, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.
THEY HAVE 60 HOMES IN EIGHT YEARS OCCUPIED.
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UM, AND THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS AT THE RATE OF BUILDING THE AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS AND VEHICLES SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT ARE COMING IN ON A DAILY BASIS IS NOT GONNA BE AN ENORMOUS NUMBER.NOT, I, I I DON'T ANTICIPATE IT BASED ON THE RATE OF BUILD ON SOME OF THESE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE.
NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT IT'LL TAKE 18 MONTHS AT LEAST TO GET A STATE PERMIT.
THEN THERE'S CLEARING, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS THAT WILL TAKE PLACE AND AT, AT EVEN 10 A MONTH, 120 A YEAR, WHICH THEY'LL NEVER GET TO THAT IN IN IN THE NEXT, YOU'RE TALKING BEFORE WE GET TO 250 HOMES, WE'RE TALKING YEARS.
PLENTY OF TIME TO GET THAT ROUNDABOUT.
AND I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WITH A LIGHT, A ROUNDABOUT CAN GET DONE RIGHT AWAY AS THIS COUNCIL HAS AND THE CITY HAS EXPERIENCED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.
A LIGHT FOR A LIGHT TO GO UP, NUMBER ONE, TRAFFIC HAS TO INCREASE BEFORE DOT WILL SAY THERE'S ENOUGH TRAFFIC TO WARRANT A LIGHT.
THEY HAVE TO TAKE COUNTS THEN IT HAS TO GET APPROVED.
AND AS WE SAW AT SHORTCUT AND MARGIN BOULEVARD, IT'S LITERALLY TAKING YEARS TO GET IT PUT UP.
SO A ROUNDABOUT CAN BE AN IMMEDIATE SOLUTION AS OPPOSED TO A LIGHT IS A MAYBE TAKING YEARS TO GET DONE.
SO AT, AT SOME POINT, IF THE ROUNDABOUT IS NOT SUFFICIENT, THEN MY QUESTION IS WE CAN TAKE COUNTS AND IF IT WARRANTS IT, THE STATE CAN APPROVE A LIGHT IF IT GETS TO THE POINT THAT IF IT'S WARRANTED.
AND THAT GOES TO ANOTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP AT THE LAST MEETING AND CAME OUT TODAY ABOUT THE SAFETY AND THE TRAFFIC AT CHURCH IN 3 21.
AND, AND GREG MENTIONED RIGHTLY SO A HOLIDAY COMES, EVERYTHING'S BACKED UP.
THAT'S NOW AND WHAT HAPPENS, THAT'S WHY THE STATE IS INVESTING $800 MILLION TO WIDEN I 95.
THAT PROBLEM THAT EXISTS IS NOT BECAUSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT EXISTS BECAUSE OF I 95.
THERE IS A SOLUTION THAT THE FIRST NINE MILES WILL BE FIXED.
WELL PRIOR TO 250 HOMES BEING DONE.
THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.
YOU'RE LUCKY YOU GET 10 HOMES PERMITTED IN FOUR YEARS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT UP THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A TIMETABLE HERE.
THAT'S NOT ALL GOING TO, IF WE APPROVE THIS, IF IT GETS PASSED, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE 500 HOMES TOMORROW MORNING.
UM, LEMME GO TO THE NEXT THING.
THAT IS YOU HAVE TO TALK TO JASPER COUNTY.
YOU HAVE TO PUT SOME OF THE PRESSURE ON THEM BECAUSE THAT IS WITHIN JASPER COUNTY.
IT HAS TO BE PATROLLED BY JASPER COUNTY.
SHERIFF, JUST AS YOU'RE COMING HERE TODAY GIVING US INPUT ABOUT THIS, YOU SHOULD BE CONTACTING YOUR COUNTY COUNCIL PEOPLE AND SAY, BECAUSE THAT'S A PROBLEM NOW.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT'S BEING BUILT.
NOW IF THEY'RE DRAG RACING, GET AHOLD OF THE SHERIFF AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE OUT THERE AND STOPPING IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU.
UM, THE, I DO, I AGREE WITH, UM, UH, LAMAR THAT LIMITING, UM, IF WE CAN LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF, UH, AXLES ON THE ROADS, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
HOWEVER, I I JUST HAVE TO REMIND EVERYBODY, THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IN THIS CITY IS LIMIT THAT IF WE CAN DO IT AT ALL, WHAT'S INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
WE CAN'T PASS AN ORDINANCE AND SAY PERRYSBURG ROAD, NO, NO, 18 WHEELERS, WE CAN'T DO IT.
YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL.
THAT IS NOT OUR ABILITY TO, TO, TO REGULATE.
WE CAN ONLY REGULATE IF WE CAN AT ALL THE CITY ROADS.
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CANNOT REGULATE THE COUNTY AND STATE ROADS.SO IT, THAT WOULD BE A COUNTY DECISION IF THAT'S, UH, GOING TO, UH, HAPPEN.
UM, SOMEONE MENTIONED, UH, ABANDONING THAT DRIVEWAY ON THE CHURCH ROAD.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER OPTION IS.
IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S THE ONLY, IS THERE ANY OTHER OPTION? THE ONLY PROPERTY THAT, THAT ABUTS CHURCH ROAD.
AND ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE APPROVING A, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PDD ULTIMATELY 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WHICH IS WHAT WE TRY TO THINK ABOUT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WHEN EXIT THREE GOES IN AND PERRYSBURG ROAD IS EXTENDED, THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER ACCESS POINTS FOR THIS 1900 HOMES.
UH, SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
UM, SOMEBODY ASKED, WHO PAYS FOR THE ROUNDABOUT? WHAT'S THE ANSWER TO THAT? THERE ARE DEVELOPMENT FEES THAT ARE COLLECTED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT FEES WILL PAY FOR THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO I, I THINK I, I'VE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING THAT I, I, UH, WROTE DOWN HERE.
UM, BUT I DO HAVE TO SAY TO EVERYBODY, AND I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE CERTAIN LEGAL RESPONSIBILITIES TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE SOMETHING BASED ON WHAT THE ZONING IS.
OKAY? IT'S, AND WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF TIME, WE'VE ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS, GOT A LOT OF CONCESSIONS TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE THAT YOU ALL CONCERN.
I HOPE THAT, UM, THE COMMENT THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONSCIENCE.
I THINK WE'VE DEMONSTRATED MORE THAN ADEQUATELY THAT WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT EVERY ONE OF YOU IN THE ROOM, EVERYONE WHO LIVES ON PERRYSBURG ROAD, EVERYONE WHO LIVES ON CHURCH ROAD AT THE SAME TIME, BALANCING OUR RESPONSIBILITIES AS A COUNCIL.
SO, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
UM, SO, UH, THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
AT THIS TIME, I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.
THIS IS FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 24 A, AND I WILL REMIND COUNSEL IF THERE ARE ANY PROVISOS TO PLEASE INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTION.
MR. MR. MAYOR, I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE 2025 DASH ZERO SEVEN DASH 24 A WITH THE PROVISO PRIOR TO SECOND READING.
THIS COUNCIL IS PROVIDED AND THE PUBLIC IS PROVIDED WITH A DRAWING OR SOMETHING OF HOW THE ENTRANCE WILL AFFECT PERRYSBURG ROAD, SUCH AS SIZE, UH, LINE OF SIGHT, PERIES, OR CHURCH, I'M SORRY.
I'M GONNA CALL FOR, UM, A ROLL CALL.
MADAM CLERK, PLEASE, UH, CALL THE ROLL.
THE MOTION PASSES FOR ONE, THE SECOND READING WILL BE THE FIRST THURSDAY IN AUGUST.
UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR INPUT.
BELIEVE ME, WE HAVE TAKEN IT TO HEART.
I HOPE THAT, UH, I HOPE THAT YOU TRUST THAT.
THE NEXT ITEM IS, UM, NEXT IS A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA.
EXCUSE ME, EVERYBODY, PLEASE EXIT.
WE STILL HAVE A MEETING GOING ON.
WHAT THEY NEED EVERYBODY DOING ALL THIS? I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO SAUDI ARABIA.
GO TO THE, I NEED TO KNOW WHEN IS THE COUNTY COUNCIL MEETINGS? YEAH, WE NEED TO SHOW UP WHEN THERE ARE COUNTY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
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NO.OH, IT DID YOU ALL WELL DONE WELL THOUGHT OUT QUESTIONS.
NOW THAT THE ROOM HAS EMPTY, LET'S GO TO RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA CITY COUNCIL.
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HARVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA AND APAC ATLANTIC INC.
FOR CONSTRUCTION OF INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT THE AR BOULEVARD JASPER STATION SHORTCUT ROAD.
THIS IS RESOLUTION 2025 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 24 B.
UM, THE CITY'S BEEN WORKING ON IMPROVING THE INTERSECTION AT ARGENT ROAD AND SHORTCUT, UH, JASPER STATION FOR SOME TIME NOW.
UM, IT'S TAKEN US A COUPLE OF YEARS TO ACQUIRE ALL OF THE NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY IN ADJOINING LAND TO FACILITATE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE REQUIRED BY DOT TO INSTALL A FULL SERVICE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION.
A NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO, WE HAD, UH, BID THIS PROJECT OUT.
WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES TO THAT BID INVITATION.
UM, SO WE TALKED WITH DOTA LITTLE BIT MORE.
WE EXPLORED SOME OTHER OPTIONS AND THEN WE STARTED MAKING PHONE CALLS TO LOCAL CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES TO DRUM UP SOME SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND ULTIMATELY WE WERE ABLE, ABLE TO IDENTIFY SOME INTEREST.
SO WE PUT THAT PROJECT BACK OUT, UM, UH, WITH A, WITHIN THE LAST TWO MONTHS.
AND WE DID RECEIVE A BID FROM APAC AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
THIS WAS INITIALLY BUDGETED AT A COST OF FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO COMPLETE THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
THE BID NUMBERS CAME IN SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THAT.
SO THE BID THAT'S BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS FOR 6.6 MILLION IN THE MATERIALS THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU.
STAFF HAS LAID OUT A FUNDING PLAN ON HOW WE WOULD PROPOSE TO PAY FOR THE COST OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS, GIVEN THAT IT IS BEYOND THE BUDGETED AMOUNT, UH, PRIMARILY USING DEVELOPMENT FEES FROM DEVELOPMENTS IN AND AROUND THAT AREA, UM, ARE WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO USE TO PAY THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PROJECT BUDGET.
WE'VE ALSO SHOWN THAT WHILE WE WOULD BE USING ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT FEES FROM THOSE PROJECTS, WE ARE NOT EXHAUSTING ANY OF THOSE SOURCES OF FUNDS.
AND SO THEY WILL ALL HAVE SOME AMOUNT OF FUNDS REMAINING IN THEM AFTERWARDS AND WOULD ALLOW US THEN TO ADDRESS OTHER ISSUES THAT MAY COME UP LATER DOWN THE ROAD.
I BELIEVE WE WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND THAT YOU AUTHORIZE US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, UH, CONTRACT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
ONE, THE CONCERNS AT THE INTERSECTION ARE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.
IN FACT, WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE ONLY GONNA CONTINUE TO GET WORSE OVER TIME.
AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AND HELP MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND SIMILARLY WITH THAT, THE COST OF THIS PROJECT'S NOT GOING TO GET CHEAPER OVER TIME EITHER.
SO WHILE WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE COST, WE'VE FOUND A WAY TO PAY FOR IT IN A MANNER WHICH IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT, UH, THE GENERAL FUND WILL NOT IMPACT, UH, TAXPAYERS, UH, RATES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE HAVE ABILITY TO PAY FOR IT USING THE FUNDS THAT WERE PROVIDED, UM, UNDER THAT MANTRA OF GROWTH, PAYING FOR GROWTH.
SO, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE GOT.
I DO KNOW THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH ALL OF YOU AT SOME POINT IN TIME ABOUT, UM, THE FACT THAT APAC ATLANTIC IS THE FIRM THAT WE ARE GONNA BE GOING FORWARD WITH.
THEY ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON SEVERAL OTHER PROJECTS FOR US.
AND SO IT'S OUR INTENTION THAT IF YOU DO APPROVE US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THIS EVENING, WE ARE GOING TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING SESSION BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH SIGNING THIS CONTRACT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE CORRESPONDING TIMELINES, WHEN IN THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL WE BE MADE AND THAT WE CAN THEN COMMUNICATE THAT INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, LET'S, UM, IN KEEPING WITH THE ORDER OF THE DAY, LET'S OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTION, UM, WHOSE NAME IS NOT BRIGHT? UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE, UH, RECORD.
MY NAME IS ROGER BRIGHT AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE FARINO COMPANY.
UM, PROBABLY NOBODY IN THIS ROOM MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AT THIS INTERSECTION THAN THAN US.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
THE REASON I ATTENDED TONIGHT, UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANT TO NOTED THAT THE FARINO COMPANY HAS DONATED ALL OF
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THE LAND FOR ALL OF THE RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENTS FOR THIS TO HAPPEN.AND WE DID THAT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, AND WE'VE OBVIOUSLY BEEN WAITING AS LONG AS YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WAITING TO GET IT DONE.
MY QUESTION REALLY WAS THE PROJECT WILL SOLELY BE FUNDED BY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FEES.
AND HERE'S MY QUESTION AND OTHER DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTIONS.
NOBODY HAS SAID ANYTHING TO US AS CONTIGUOUS PROPERTY OWNERS ABOUT THEIR BEING ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COSTS.
NUMBER ONE, NOBODY'S TALKED TO US ABOUT IT.
NUMBER TWO, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME YOU THINK, JOSH, THAT THEY'RE GONNA START THIS? UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS THE TWO REASONS I'M HERE, IS TO GET SOME KIND OF DEFINITION OF WHAT OTHER DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTIONS MEAN, BEING A DEVELOPER, BEING ON THAT ROAD.
THAT LETTER IS FORTHCOMING HERE.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT ANY SURPRISES.
MAYOR CERTIFIED, THAT'S THE MAIL.
MAYOR, IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME, I KNOW WE DON'T TYPICALLY DO BACK AND FORTH, BUT I BELIEVE I CAN ADDRESS THIS HERE.
WOULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER HIS QUESTIONS? YEAH.
SO WE DIDN'T WANNA ASSUME THAT COUNCIL WAS GONNA AUTHORIZE US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT THIS EVENING.
UM, IF THEY APPROVE IT THIS EVENING, THEN WE ABSOLUTELY WILL BE FOLLOWING BACK UP BECAUSE THERE'S A NUMBER OF ENTITIES THAT ARE BUILDING IN AND AROUND THAT AREA, UM, THAT I BELIEVE EITHER THROUGH YOUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS OR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS OR OTHERWISE YEAH.
ARE, ARE REQUIRED TO CONTRIBUTE.
SO WE'VE HAD VERY GENERAL CONVERSATIONS.
WE'VE JUST NEVER HAD THE SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNTS BECAUSE WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT THE CONTRACT VALUE WAS GOING TO BE.
IF THIS GETS APPROVED TONIGHT, THAT IS THE NEXT STEP IS TO REACH OUT AND GET YOU TO SIGN.
WELL, WHO, WHOEVER'S INVOLVED IN, IN, UH, CONTRIBUTING TOWARDS THE DEVELOPMENTS.
'CAUSE THERE'S A NUMBER OF ENTITIES ALONG THAT ROAD.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, UH, TIMEFRAME, JOSH? UH, IF IT'S APPROVED THIS EVENING, UH, WE'RE TALKING A MATTER OF DAYS, NOT WEEKS TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT.
UM, AND THEN PROBABLY WEEKS TO BE ABLE TO MEET WITH, UM, APAC AND THEN ULTIMATELY WORK ON GETTING A CONTRACT SIGNED.
YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT'S REALISTICALLY WHAT THE TIMELINE IS BEFORE YOU START SEEING THE BARRELS AND THE CONSTRUCTION SHOW UP.
WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
UM, OKAY, LET'S GO WITH, UM, MR. CARROLL, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? JUST ONE QUESTION TO MR. MAYOR.
JOSH, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER DAY YOU'RE SATISFIED BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SCHEDULE AND YOU SATISFIED YOU'VE GOT THAT CONFLICT.
AND, AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT THAT COORDINATION MEETING'S GONNA BE FOR, IS THAT WE ARE ABSOLUTELY CRYSTAL CLEAR WITH ONE ANOTHER ABOUT WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE BECAUSE OUR GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THAT INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC.
AND SO ONCE WE KNOW FROM THEM THAT THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY AND THE MANPOWER TO BE ABLE TO PERFORM ON A SCHEDULE THAT WE CAN BOTH AGREE TO, THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH SIGNING THE CONTRACT.
MAYOR, MR. WHITE, I WOULD JUST EMPHASIZE WHAT YOU JUST SAID, JOSH, THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT AND APPRECIATE YOUR FOLLOW UP AND MAKING THAT OUR GLAD.
UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT APAC, UH, BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THE INTERSECTION AT MARGARITAVILLE AND HILTON HAD LAKES AND WE WERE TOLD ITS WORK WAS GONNA START ON THE 23RD OF LAST MONTH.
AND ALL I SEE IS ORANGE BARRELS ONE DAY.
UM, SILT FENCES COUPLE OF WEEKS LATER MM-HMM
TODAY I SAW CONSTRUCTION ONE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLE FROM APAC IN THE PARKING LOT IN HILTON HEAD LAKE.
SO WITH ALL OF THESE, WITH ALL OF THESE, UM, PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE TAKING OVER, ARE THEY NOT STRETCHING THEMSELVES A LITTLE THIN? AND, AND I'M JUST WONDERING HOW ARE THEY GOING TO MEET THE TIMEFRAME? AND I I JUST ALSO WANNA KNOW, ARE THERE ANY PERFORMANCE CONTRACT MM-HMM
UM, CONTINGENCY PLANS THAT'S GONNA BE IN THEIR, SHOULD THEY GET BEHIND? UH, YES MA'AM, IN THESE PROJECTS, BECAUSE THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU, THEY GIVE YOU A TIMEFRAME AND THEN IT'S MONTHS LATER AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING HAPPENING.
AND YES, UM, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON FOR WHY WE WANT TO HAVE A, A MEETING WITH THEM BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT IS WE WANT TO AVOID THOSE PROBLEMS. UM, THE EXISTING PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON NOW, UM, THEIR CAPACITY HAS BEEN HIT A COUPLE TIMES, PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING, UM, THAT SLOWS THEM DOWN ON COMPLETING OTHER PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE GOING ON.
AND SO THEY CAN'T MOVE ON TO OUR PROJECT WITH THE FULL CREW UNTIL THEY
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WRAP UP THE PRIOR ONES.AND SO THAT IS A DEFINITE CONCERN FOR US.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT WHEN WE DO GO TO SIGN THE CONTRACT IS, AND, AND I THINK I'VE TALKED WITH A COUPLE OF YOU ABOUT IT, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT, AT BOTH CARROTS AND STICKS, WE CAN LOOK AT TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT EARLY AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL EITHER FINANCIAL INCENTIVES OR OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT MOTIVATE THEM TO DO THAT.
OR THE STICK PORTION OF IT COMES IN FROM WHAT'S CALLED LIQUIDATED DAMAGES.
AND SO THAT MEANS IF YOU HAVE NOT PERFORMED BY A CERTAIN DATE THAT WE'VE BOTH AGREED TO, AND AGAIN, WE'LL ALLOW CONTINGENCIES FOR WEATHER AND STORM EVENTS BECAUSE NOBODY CAN CONTROL THAT.
BUT OUTSIDE OF THOSE ISSUES, ONCE WE AGREE TO THAT SCHEDULE, IF THEY ARE NOT SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE BY THAT DATE, WE WOULD START IMPOSING LIQUIDATED DAMAGES.
AND SO WE'LL NEGOTIATE AMOUNT THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENTLY MOTIVATING TO THEM TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE BRINGING THE CREWS THAT THEY NEED TO COMPLETE IT IN A TIMELY MANNER.
I, I LIKE THAT TERM SUFFICIENTLY MOTIVATED.
UH, JOSH, I'D LIKE YOUR CARROT IDEA.
I JUST DECIDED, UM, SADLY, WE'RE VICTIMS OF OUR OWN SUCCESS HERE IN HARDY.
WE CANNOT GET CONTRACTORS BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH WORK AROUND TO EVERYPLACE ELSE.
HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN WAITING FOR A LIGHT AT AR IN 2 78? THE STATE CAN'T EVEN GET A BID ON THOSE THINGS.
SO WE HAVE TO WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
AND IS THIS BID, TO ME SEEM HIGH? YES, IT DOES, BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT.
BUT DON'T WE HAVE SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE, UH, THAT HINGE ON THIS LIGHT AND THIS INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT ALONG THE SHORTCUT ROAD THERE? YES.
AND, AND ACTUALLY, PARTICULARLY UP JASPER STATION ROAD, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT CANNOT MOVE FORWARD UNTIL THE WORK IS COMMENCED AT THIS INTERSECTION.
AND SO, AT A CERTAIN POINT IN TIME, IT DOES BECOME OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MOVE THAT FORWARD, UH, BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, GROUPS THAT ARE BACKED THERE THAT ARE SUBJECT TO THAT DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL IT THEMSELVES.
AND SO IF WE HAVE A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY, WE DO NEED TO KIND OF PURSUE THAT.
SO THAT WILL, AS THOSE COME ONLINE, THEY WILL HELP REPLENISH THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT FEES.
AND THAT'S THE DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTION THAT, UH, MR. BRIGHT SPOKE TO? YES.
THE DEVELOPERS DID THAT BECAUSE I KNOW FARINO HAS A MAJOR, MAJOR INVESTMENT AND IT MAY, IT MAKES THAT AREA LOOK JUST FANTASTIC AND WE'VE JUST APPROVED SOMETHING ACROSS THE ROAD OVER THERE.
IT'S GONNA BE A VERY VALUABLE AND VISIBLE INTERSECTION VERY SOON.
AND I THINK THE QUICKER YOU CAN GET THAT LIGHT IN THERE, THE BETTER.
UM, I, I HAD SPOKEN TO JOSH ABOUT, UM, HIS CARROT AND STICK AND, AND I THINK, BUT WE HAVE TO ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT ANY CARROT MM-HMM
UH, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE SUPERMARKET AND PURCHASE IT.
SO, UM, WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
UM, AND AS FAR AS, UH, DAMAGES, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT I THINK IT ALL COMES DOWN TO EXPECTATIONS.
UM, IF APAC TELLS US AND THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES, THE ONLY OTHER CHOICES SAY, UH, FORGET IT, APAC, YOU KNOW, THEN WE FORGET ABOUT THE LIGHT.
BUT I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT THE EXPECTATIONS BE MET.
IF THEY TELL US ONE MONTH, WE, WE EXPECT IT TO BE DONE IN ONE MONTH.
IF THEY TELL US ONE YEAR, WE EXPECT IT DONE IN ONE.
SO I THINK, UH, JOSH, WHEN YOU'VE HAD YOUR MEETING MM-HMM
PLEASE LET THE COUNCIL KNOW WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND IF WE AGREE CITY AND APAC TO A DATE, THAT THAT'S WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE.
IF THEY SAY THEY'RE GONNA START ON MONDAY, I DON'T WANNA FIND OUT SUNDAY NIGHT THAT THEY, THEY HAVE A DELAY OF A MONTH.
AND, AND SO I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO ASK THEM TO HAVE THAT KIND OF EXPECTATIONS FOR US.
AND ONE OTHER IDEA, UM, AS WE WERE TALKING THAT THAT REMINDED ME, THERE IS AN ULTIMATE PLAN TO HAVE JASPER STATION ROAD CONNECT TO EAST AR PARKWAY.
IF WE COULD ACCELERATE THAT PROCESS, NUMBER ONE, IT WOULD TAKE OFF SOME OF THE STRESS AT THAT INTERSECTION AND, UH, GIVE THE RESIDENTS THERE ANOTHER OPTION TO GET OUT TO ONE 70, BUT NOT JUST ONE 70.
IF EAST SERGEANT PARKWAY MEETS ITS SCHEDULE TO BE COMPLETED
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MM-HMMBY THE END OF THE YEAR, THEN THOUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO GO IN EITHER DIRECTION.
SO I THINK, WOULD YOU PLEASE FIND OUT WHAT IS THE TIMETABLE TO COMPLETE THE EXTENSION OF JASPER STATION ROAD TO MEET EAST SERGEANT PARKWAY TO GIVE THE, THESE DEVELOPMENTS OVER THERE ANOTHER ACCESS POINT BESIDES SHORTCUT ROAD? YES, SIR.
I'LL INTO THAT AND I'LL MAKE SURE TO COMMUNICATE THAT TO COUNSEL.
UM, SO AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO, UH, THIS RESOLUTION, WHICH IS 2025 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 24 B.
MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 2025 DASH OH 7 24 B.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.
ALL OPPOSED, RESOLUTION PASSES.
WE'LL EXPECT TO SEE A LIGHT NEXT WEEK, RIGHT?
UM, NEXT, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY CA, COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF HARVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, DESCRIBING THE HILTON HEAD, LAKES WEST MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, AND THE IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT TO BE AFFECTED.
UM, THE ESTIMATED COST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE AMOUNT OF SUCH COSTS TO BE DERIVED FROM ASSESSMENTS, BONDS, AND OTHER FUNDS, SETTING FORTH THE PROPOSED BASIS AND RATES OF ASSESSMENTS TO BE IMPOSED WITHIN THE IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
UH, THIS IS RESOLUTION 2025 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 24 C MR. GRUBER, PLEASE? YES, MA'AM.
UM, SO THIS ITEM, UH, WAS INITIALLY SPOKEN TO IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL WITH THE HILTON HEAD, LAKES WEST, UH, PDD.
AND IT WAS LISTED AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO THE CITY TO PURSUE THE CREATION OF A MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
AND SO, UH, FOLLOWING THE ADOPTION OF THAT MASTER PLAN, THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM DID WORK ON THAT APPLICATION.
THE CITY HAS SINCE RECEIVED THEM.
AND SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS THE FIRST STEP IN WHAT I'VE CHARACTERIZED AS A FIVE OR SIX STEP PROCESS TO ULTIMATELY OUTLINE THE SCOPE OF THE MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, TALK ABOUT THE FINANCING, THE TIMING FOR IT, AND THEN PUT FORTH THE ACTUAL DOCUMENTS THAT WILL AUTHORIZE THE BORROWING, UM, AND THE ORDINANCES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO, UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY PREPARED TO GO TOO DEEP INTO THE WEEDS YET, BECAUSE AS THOSE ADDITIONAL ORDINANCES COME UP, WE'RE REALLY GONNA FOCUS ON THE AMOUNT THAT'S BEING BORROWED, WHAT THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GONNA GO TOWARDS, THE TIMING OF THAT, HOW IT WILL BE REPAID, UM, NOTICE TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
AND SO THERE IS GOING TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS REALLY JUST KIND OF KICKS THAT PROCESS OFF.
UH, SO IF YOU MOVE FORWARD AND APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION THIS EVENING, IT DOES NOT BIND YOU TO MOVE FORWARD AND ULTIMATELY APPROVE THE MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
UM, I KNOW AT THIS POINT IN HAVING HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, THE PLAN IS TO ULTIMATELY CREATE, UH, TWO ASSESSMENTS WITHIN THIS AREA.
ONE IS AN ASSESSMENT THAT WOULD BE EXCLUSIVELY BORN BY DEVELOPERS.
THE OTHER IS AN ASSESSMENT THAT WOULD BE ATTACHED TO THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS THAT ARE CREATED WITHIN THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
AND SO, AGAIN, AS WE GO FORWARD DOWN THIS PROCESS, WE ARE GOING TO DIVE DEEP INTO BOTH OF THOSE AREAS.
I WOULD PROBABLY, UM, VENTURE TO GUESS THAT THIS BECOMES A WORKSHOP TOPIC FOR US WHEN WE REACH THAT POINT.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA WANNA SLOW DOWN AND REALLY UNDERSTAND THE MECHANICS OF HOW THIS WORKS AND MAKING SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHEN THE BORROWING IS GONNA OCCUR, HOW THE REIN REIMBURSEMENT PROCESS WILL WORK, AND THEN ULTIMATELY HOW THE ASSESSMENTS WILL BE CALCULATED AND THEN IMPOSED ON PROPERTIES.
SO, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A, A GOOD 5,000 FOOT VIEW OF WHAT WE'RE, UH, DISCUSSING THIS EVENING.
BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UM, LET'S START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
DOES ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.
MR. MESMAN, WHY DON'T YOU LEAD US OFF AS, UH, THE CITY MANAGER HAS DESCRIBED, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN A MULTI-STEP PROCESS.
I'LL, WE'LL SEE HOW THIS DEVELOPS AS WE MOVE THROUGH IT.
MRS. GUZMAN, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, SIR.
MR. WHITE? NO QUESTIONS MR. CARROLL? NO QUESTIONS, MAYOR.
UM, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA BELABOR THE POINT, BUT I, UH, I BRING IT UP EVERY
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TIME THESE MIDS COME AND I, I TRUST THE CITY MANAGER AND I SEE WE HAVE OUR BOND COUNCIL HERE.UM, IT, IT ALWAYS CONCERNS ME THAT THE CITY HAS, UM, IS SUFFICIENTLY COVERED.
I REMEMBER ALL TOO CLEARLY, UH, SLOWDOWNS IN REAL ESTATE HAPPEN.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, AND AND I, I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS MM-HMM
BUT, UM, THAT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT COVERAGE THAT THE CITY IS NOT LEFT HOLDING THE BAG.
AND YOU'LL, I, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU, YOU TOLD ME THE ANSWER, THOSE, THOSE QUESTIONS AND THOSE ANSWERS WILL BE FORTHCOMING AS THE ADDITIONAL STEPS TAKE PLACE.
LET'S PUT IT ON THE RECORD AS FAR AS EXPECTATIONS THAT WHEN WE DO COME BACK TO DISCUSS THE ORDINANCE BETWEEN OUR BOND COUNCIL AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, UM, AGAIN, TAKING SOME TIME TO TALK ABOUT HOW THIS FUNCTIONALLY WORKS.
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REPAYMENT, HOW THAT WORKS, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN UNDER SCENARIOS THAT IF THE MARKET DID HAVE A DOWNTURN, HOW THAT WOULD STILL FUNCTION.
AND AGAIN, HIGHLIGHTING THE PROTECTIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE FOR THE CITY, UH, FUNCTIONING AS THE BORROWING ARM UNDER THIS TRANSACTION.
WOULD THAT COVER WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? YES.
I, I JUST, WE, IT'S OUR OBLIGATION, THIS COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COVERED UNDER ANY OF THE WORST POSSIBLE CASES.
AS THE OLD SAYING GOES, PREPARE FOR THE WORST AND HOPE FOR THE BEST, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
SO, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE, AND I KNOW WE HAVE, UH, VERY CAPABLE COUNSELS TO MAKE SURE THAT AND EXPLAIN THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT PHASE.
WE NOW NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.
THIS IS RESOLUTION 2025 THAT SHOWS SEVEN DASH 24 C.
MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 2025 DASH 7 24 C.
DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS BY COUNSEL? SEEING NONE, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
I'M GONNA CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.
THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND WE ARE NOW AT THE MANAGER'S REPORT.
I WAS, I WAS, I THOUGHT YOU WERE WAITING UNTIL THEY CLEARED THE ROOM.
ALRIGHT, SO MANAGER'S REPORT, GET THE MAN A CUP OF COFFEE SO HE DOESN'T FALL ASLEEP.
UM, TWO ITEMS THAT I WANTED TO, UH, TO, TO BRING FORTH THIS EVENING.
UM, THE FIRST IS, 20 YEARS AGO TODAY, THE CITY HIRED OUR ESTEEMED FIRE CHIEF MR. STEVE CAMP.
SO WANTED TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE, I I TALKED TO HIM EARLIER TODAY.
UNFORTUNATELY, HE WAS NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING THIS EVENING.
UH, BUT I DID LET HIM KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE SHOUTING OUT AND RECOGNIZING HIM FOR HIS SERVICE TO THE CITY.
AND SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THAT AND THANK HIM FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT HE DOES IN LEADING OUR FIRE RESCUE SERVICES.
UM, AND THEN THE SECOND THING, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE FORMALLY LAUNCHED A NEW FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT PORTAL ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
THIS WILL HOPEFULLY HELP US TO STREAMLINE REQUESTS AS THEY COME IN.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO AUTOMATICALLY LOG THEM, ELECTRONICALLY, TRANSMIT THEM TO STAFF, PROCESS THE DOCUMENTS, REVIEW THEM, REDACT THEM, AND THEN ULTIMATELY GET THEM TURNED AROUND AND BACK OUT TO THE PUBLIC USING A SYSTEM THAT WILL HELP TO COMMUNICATE ALONG THE WAY.
SO, THANK YOU TO JAMES AND HIS TEAM FOR HELPING TO GET THAT IN PLACE.
PRE PAID A VERY CRITICAL PART IN HELPING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT SYSTEM WAS GONNA MEET OUR NEEDS AND HOPEFULLY ALLOWS US TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT IN HOW WE'RE PROCESSING THE REQUESTS THAT ARE COMING TO US.
LET'S GO ALPHABETICALLY AND START WITH MR. CARROLL.
UM, SO WE HAD A, A GREAT MUNICIPAL CONFERENCE, HAD SOME GOOD SPEAKERS, AND, UM, GOOD, UM, CAMARADERIE
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TIME.AND I, I WANNA CONGRATULATE STEVE ALSO.
UH, I WAS, UH, PART-TIME MUNICIPAL JUDGE THEN, AND HE WAS IT A IT MAN.
AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU, IT'S BEEN A MANY A TIME THAT COMPUTER WOULD GO DOWN.
AND WITH MY IT KNOWLEDGE, POOR STEVE WOULD BE COMING ACROSS THE WAY TO HELP ME GET GOING.
SO STEVE DEFINITELY BEEN AN ASSET AND I'M, I'M APPRECIATE ALL HE DID.
SO, UH, LOOKING FOR MORE, MORE, UM, FRUITFUL YEARS OF SERVICE.
OKAY, MR. MUSMAN, UH, AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS TO CHIEF CAMP FOR HIS 20 YEARS.
UM, MASC MUNICIPAL ASSOCIATION CONFERENCE LAST WEEK WAS VERY EDUCATIONAL.
I CAME AWAY WITH SOME GOOD IDEAS AND SOME GOOD THOUGHTS OF, OF HOW, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BEST MOVE AHEAD.
TONIGHT'S MEETING, IT WENT AS WELL AS ANY MEETING I THINK WE'VE EVER HAD.
WE ENGAGED THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC ENGAGED US, THE DEVELOPER WE WERE ENGAGED IN, AND WE PRESENTED ALL THE INFORMATION THAT IS THERE.
WE'VE ASKED A FEW MORE THINGS BE ANSWERED PRIOR TO SECOND READING, AND FROM THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON.
UH, I WOULD ECHO THE, UH, CONGRATULATIONS TO STEVE AND, UH, I ATTENDED THE, UH, MUNICIPAL MEETING AS WELL AND, UH, LOTS OF GOOD IDEAS.
UM, I WAS, UH, KIND OF COMPARING WHAT WE'RE DOING TO A LOT OF THINGS I WAS HEARING, AND I FELT LIKE WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK FOR A LOT OF THINGS.
AND IT WAS A GOOD REINFORCEMENT OF, UH, HARRY, YOUR LEADERSHIP AND WHAT WE'RE DOING AS A COUNCIL.
AND ONCE MORE, CONGRATULATIONS TO STEVE.
UH, REAL QUICK, 'CAUSE I'M SURE EVERYBODY WANTS TO STAY ANOTHER HOUR, BUT FIRST OF ALL, UH, CHIEF WELLS OF JASPER COUNTY SPOKE TO, UH, SUN CITY AT FIRST FRIDAY AND ON THE 11TH, AND HE DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE HURRICANE EVENTS.
AND SO I WANT TO THANK CHIEF WELLS FOR DOING A GREAT JOB.
I ALSO ATTENDED, UM, THE COFFEE AND COPS, AND THEY REALLY FILLED THAT ENTIRE STARBUCKS, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE ON COFFEE THAT MORNING.
THE, IT WAS A GREAT EVENT, UH, A GREAT NEW EVENT.
CONGRATULATIONS TO, UH, THE ENTIRE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, FOR COMING UP WITH THAT IDEA.
UH, WE HAD OUR MONTHLY JOINT LUNCH AT MARGARITAVILLE WITH THE, UH, TWO MAYORS, UH, AND THE COUNTY AND, AND THE ADMINISTRATORS.
UM, THOSE CONVERSATIONS CONTINUE TO PUSH FORWARD THE, THE COOPERATION BETWEEN COUNTY AND THE MUNICIPALITIES.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE OUTCOME OF THE SHARED SERVICES CONVERSATION.
AND I HOPE WITH THIS, UM, WITH THIS COOPERATION, WE DO BETTER THAN WHAT I SEE ON 2 78 RIGHT NOW.
UM, I ALSO WAS AT THE MASC MEETING.
UM, THEY'RE ALWAYS, UH, INFORMATIVE.
UH, WE HAD A SO LOCO MEETING HERE, UH, EARLIER THIS WEEK.
AND I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT NEXT WEEK IS FILL THE BUS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SUN CITY, UH, MARGARITAVILLE HILTON, NED LAKES, THE, THE, THERE ARE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF, UH, SCHOOL SUPPLIES THAT WE SUPPLI TO ALL THE JASPER COUNTY SCHOOLS.
AND, UM, SO IF YOU HAVE A COUPLE EXTRA BUCKS IN THE POCKET AND YOU WANNA GO BUY SOME PENS OR NOTEBOOKS, WE HAVE PLENTY OF PLACES TO, TO PUT 'EM.
SO, UM, AND I WANT TO THANK ALL THE VOLUNTEERS FROM THROUGHOUT THE, THOSE COMMUNITIES FOR ALL THE EFFORTS THEY THEY PUT IN.
AND OF COURSE, THANKS TO ALL THE DONORS.
HAVING SAID THAT, I AM FINISHED AND I WILL ENTERTAIN
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND.
DID ANYBODY WANT TO HAVE A FURTHER CONVERSATION? NO.