Jul 10, 2025 City Council Meeting

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

[III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

TO PROPOSE CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENTS AND PROPOSE SALE OR PURCHASE OF PROPERTY.

NEXT WE HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION, DISCUSSION

[IV. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

OF NEGOTIATIONS INCIDENT

[DISCUSSION OF NEGOTIATIONS INCIDENT TO PROPOSED CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENTS AND PROPOSED SALE OR PURCHASE OF PROPERTY [30-4-70(A)(2)]]

THIS IS 30 DASH FOUR DASH 70 A TWO DOWNTOWN AREA, POTENTIAL PROPERTY ACQUISITION.

MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION? SO MOVED.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTION? SEEING NONE.

WE'VE HAD THE, UM, INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE CALL TO ORDER.

WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION HERE OR INSIDE.

WE'RE GONNA GO.

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SO, UH, AND THEN WENT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

SO WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE WE NEED A MOTION TO RETURN TO REGULAR SESSION FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.

MAY I HAVE A MOTION? PLEASE MAKE A MOTION WE RETURN TO REGULAR SESSION FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.

WE ARE NOW BACK IN REGULAR PUBLIC SESSION.

UH, NEXT IS PUBLIC

[V. PUBLIC COMMENTS (3 MINUTE TIME LIMIT)]

COMMENTS.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP? NO, SIR.

WE WILL HAVE THE INTRODUCTION OF BUILDING INSPECTION.

SO WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS AND

[VI. PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS]

INSPECTOR LINDSAY, WHY DOESN'T ANYBODY HAVE AN EASY E

[A. INTRODUCTION OF BUILDING INSPECTOR-LINDSEY EAVENSON]

EVENSON? EVENSON, EVENSON, EVANSON, EVANSON, EVANSON.

CAN'T ANY OF OUR PEOPLE HIRE MR. SPENCER JONES? WHAT HAPPENED TO JOHN DOE? AND, YOU KNOW, SMITH SMITH, JOHN SMITH, YOU KNOW JONES, MARY SMITH, YOU KNOW, COME ON.

ALRIGHT, WE STILL WELCOME LINDSEY.

GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, COUNSEL, MR. DAVIS TO SEE YOU.

UM, AS YOU REMEMBER, A FEW MONTHS AGO, UH, WE HAD DISCUSSED, UH, GETTING SOME NEW BUILDING INSPECTORS FOR TREMENDOUS GROWTH THAT'S GOING ON.

SO I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY TO INTRODUCE ONE OF THOSE, UH, NEW INSPECTORS AND, UH, HAVE HER TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HERSELF.

HER NAME'S LINDSEY EVANSON.

HI EVERYBODY.

UM, SO I AM ORIGINALLY FROM NORTH GEORGIA.

UM, WENT TO SCHOOL IN ATLANTA AND WE RAN FOR THE HILLS AS SOON AS WE COULD WHEN WE GRADUATED.

UM, SO WE'VE BEEN HERE IN THE LOW COUNTRY FOR ABOUT 14 YEARS NOW, UM, FOR WHICH I'VE BEEN A BUILDER, UM, FOR A FEW HOME BUILDERS.

UM, AND NOW I HAVE COME TO THE GOOD SIDE TO BE AN INSPECTOR.

OUCH.

GREAT.

WELL, UH, WOULD BE BEHIND YOU.

THE, UM, SHE CAME FROM THE DOCK SIDE.

BOY, DON'T JUMP ON THAT BANDWAGON.

THAT'S GOOD.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT WITH US, LINDSAY.

AND, UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, INFORMATION YOU WANNA SHARE WITH US WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU LIVE? WELL, YOU ALREADY DID, BUT, UH, ANY FAMILY INFORMATION YOU WANNA SHARE? YES.

SO I DO HAVE A HUSBAND AND A 7-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER.

UM, AND WE DO LIVE NORTH OF BROAD ON LADIES ISLAND.

ALL RIGHT.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS HAVING ME.

I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT OH, THAT'S GREAT.

AND THE REASON I ASK, WE DON'T MEAN TO PRIDE, BUT WE CONSIDER OURSELVES THE FAMILY HERE.

AND IT, IT'S GOOD THAT WE, WE SHARE AND BE CONCERNED ABOUT EACH OTHER'S, NOT ONLY PERSONALLY, BUT OUR ENTIRE FAMILY.

SO THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.

COUNCIL.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO, WHOA.

UM, COUNCIL, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING TO LINDSAY OR ASK ANY QUESTION? DO YOU SAM'S POINT ROAD OUT THAT DIRECTION ON LADIES ISLAND OR, YES.

I LIVED IN PLEASANT POINT FOR FOUR YEARS.

WE'RE JUST THE ROAD PAST YOU THEN.

I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE.

YEAH, WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE.

HERE FROM THE DARK SIDE.

JUNE 18TH, 2025 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

MANY YEARS OF, UH, HAPPINESS AND SUCCESS WITH THE CITY.

NEXT WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION, APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE

[VII. PRESENTATION & APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

UH, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES FOR JUNE 18TH? MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM JUNE 18TH OF THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

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ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL? SEEING NONE.

A NUMBER OF SECOND READINGS, UM, TO, TO DISCUSS.

NOW WE GO INTO ALL BUSINESS AND WE HAVE

[VIII. OLD BUSINESS]

UH, FIRST IS, UM, HILTON HEAD.

WE LAKES WEST,

[A. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO CONSIDER AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR A PORTION OF PARCEL 042-00-06-045 TO BE KNOWN AS HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST - PODS H AND F-3 (+/- 225.9 ACRES (2025-06-18A)]

UM, WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED, UM, UH, A COUPLE HUNDRED TIMES NOW.

UM, SO, UH, THERE ARE THREE ORDINANCES, UM, INVOLVED WITH, UH, THE A SECOND READING.

SO I WOULD ASK THE COUNSEL IF IT, IF IT SUITS YOU TO ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO, UM, YOU CAN ANY ONE OF THESE THREE ORDINANCES ADDRESS THEM, UH, AT THAT TIME.

WE WILL HAVE TO, UH, VOTE ON EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY AND WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION FOR EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY.

SO, HAVING SAID THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, UH, MR. DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.

YOU KIND OF SUMMED IT UP.

UH, YOU'VE SEEN THESE MULTIPLE TIMES, WORKSHOPS, OTHER, OTHER, OTHER MEETINGS, OTHER HEARINGS.

UM, THEY ARE ALL RELATED IN THE SAME AREA IN HILTON HEAD, LAKES WEST.

SO I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO KIND OF DO THEM ALL TOGETHER AND VOTE INDIVIDUALLY.

BUT I HAVE NOTHING ELSE.

STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

UM, LET'S GO ON TO COUNSEL QUESTIONING, AND I'LL START TO MY RIGHT WITH MR. MESMAN.

I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

WE'VE, WE'VE HAD THIS IN WORKSHOPS AND I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS TO THE POINT WHERE WE NEED TO VOTE.

FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SIX DASH 18 A.

UM, MRS. GUZMAN, NO QUESTIONS, SIR.

MR. WHITE? NO QUESTIONS MR. CARROLL? NONE SIR.

AND, UH, I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS EITHER.

THAT'S SHOCK.

A FEW OF YOU OUT THERE.

UM, SO, UM, AT THIS TIME FOR THIS FIRST ORDINANCE, WHICH IS THE, UM, INITIAL MASTER PLAN, UH, WHICH IS KNOWN AS PODS, H AND F THREE, TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE ACRES, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

DOES ANYONE

[PUBLIC HEARING]

MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF 2025 DASH ZERO SIX DASH 18 A.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

MASTER PLAN, UH, FOR PODS, F1 AND F TWO.

UM, THE SECOND OF THE THREE IS AN ORDINANCE FOR THE INITIAL

[B. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO CONSIDER AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR A PORTION OF PARCEL 042-00-06-045 TO BE KNOWN AS HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST – PODS F-1 AND F-2 (+/- 223.6 ACRES) (2025-06-18B)]

THIS IS AN ANOTHER 220, UH, THREE ACRES.

UM, MR. DAVIS, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, UH, REGARDING THIS ONE? NO, SIR.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

LET'S START THE QUESTIONING WITH MR. CARROLL THIS TIME.

AS, UM, IN THE, UM, PREVIOUS ORDINANCE, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAVE, UM, MR. WHITE THAT WE HAVE, UH, NO QUESTIONS.

MR. UZMAN JUST LIKE TO COMMEND THE DEVELOPERS FOR WORKING WITH THE CITY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

NOW THAT NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING, UH, THIS IS PODS, F1 AND F TWO, THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SIX DASH 18 B.

UM, I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS EITHER.

AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

DOES ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC

[PUBLIC HEARING]

MR. MAY I MAKE THE MOTION WE APPROVE 2025 DASH SIX DASH 18 B? WE HAVE A MOTION.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

POD G AND THIS IS ANOTHER 306 ACRES.

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[C. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO CONSIDER AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR A PORTION OF PARCEL 042-00-06-045 TO BE KNOWN AS HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST – POD G (+/- 306.7 ACRES) (2025-06-18C)]

THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN.

UM, THIS IS ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SIX DASH 18 C MR. DAVIS, ONCE AGAIN, RECOMMENDED FOR FURTHER COMMENTS.

MRS. GUZMAN, NO COMMENTS, SIR.

UM, I THINK IT'S MR. MANN'S TURN.

NO COMMENTS, SIR.

MR. WHITE, NO COMMENTS MR. CARROLL.

NO COMMENTS.

AND I, I'LL ONLY SAY THIS WAS A LONG PROCESS AND FOR THE PUBLIC WHO'S WATCHING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE JUST BREEZED THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF THESE THREE ORDINANCES, BUT NOT AFTER LITERALLY HOURS OF AND NUMBERS OF MEETINGS WHERE WE, WE LOOKED, DISCUSSED, QUESTIONED, UH, CAME BACK WITH ANSWERS AND IT, IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS.

SO NOBODY'S ASKING ANY QUESTIONS 'CAUSE WE'VE PRETTY MUCH EXHAUSTED IT OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS.

UH, SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

AND AT THIS POINT, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

ANY

[PUBLIC HEARING]

PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED OR SAID, SEEING NONE, UH, I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO, UH, ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SIX DASH 18 C MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ON SECOND READING ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SIX DASH 18 C.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

TO AMEND THE MUNICIPAL ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, THE MZDO SECTION 2.6, THE TRANSECT ZONE T THREE FOR SHARED PARKING AND DENSITY REDUCTION.

ALL THREE ORDINANCES, FOUR MIL HEAD, LAKE WEST HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

CONGRATULATIONS.

GOOD LUCK BUILT.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, GO FORTH.

AND BILL, BILL, GO FORTH.

UH, NEXT WE HAVE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE

[D. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE MUNICIPAL ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE (MZDO) SECTION 2.6 TRANSECT ZONE T-3 FOR SHARED PARKING AND DENSITY REDUCTION (2025-06-18D)]

THIS IS ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SIX DASH 18 D.

MR. DAVIS, PLEASE.

UH, THIS IS SECOND READING, AS YOU NOTED.

IT'S A TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE TRANSECT ZONES IN THE N-R-M-C-D-O.

UH, YOU'VE WORKSHOPPED THIS.

YOU'VE HAD FIRST READING, UH, PLANNING STAFF DOES HAVE A VERY SHORT, UH, PRESENTATION TO TALK ABOUT A FEW CHANGES IN CON UH, IN, IN RESPONSE TO SOME CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED AT THE LAST MEETING.

SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MS. SNOWDEN.

HAVING AVAILABLE PARKING WHEN IT'S NEEDED.

AND GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING.

I'M GLAD WE'RE IN HERE.

NOT OUT THERE, .

UM, SO I'M GONNA HAVE KATIE JUST GO STRAIGHT TO THE, UH, KEY PART OF OUR QUESTIONS THERE.

PERFECT.

UM, FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE FINALLY, I FINALLY GOT TO AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION LAST TIME.

YES.

ALL OF THESE WILL REMAIN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING, JUST LIKE ALL OF THE OTHERS.

AND HOW MANY WAS THAT, BRIANNA? I'M SORRY, HOW MANY DID WE SAY THAT WAS I? 30? 30? MM-HMM .

UM, AND SO WE'RE TAKING THE T THREE OFF OF THEM.

THE T THREE IS, UM, HAS BEEN, UM, ADJUSTED A LITTLE BIT WITH THE D LOWER, THE DENSITY'S BEEN LOWERED, WHICH MAKES IT MORE OF A TRANSITION ZONE.

AND THE WHOLE POINT IS TO MAKE IT WORK FOR OUR WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD MASTER PLAN, UM, IMPLEMENTATION.

BUT THE, THE LAST ITEM THAT WE HAD, ITEM THREE OF THE THREE CHANGES IN HERE WAS THE, UM, SHARED PARKING.

AND AT THE WORKSHOP, I PRESENTED THE PARKING MATRIX HERE TO YOU.

I DIDN'T HAVE IT ON THE LAST PRESENTATION, AND I DO APOLOGIZE.

BUT BASICALLY, THIS MATRIX GIVES YOU THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES.

UM, YOU TAKE, YOU GO TO THE ORDINANCE AND YOU FIND OUT WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THAT USE.

AND THEN WHEREVER THEY, THEY MEET ON THE MATRIX, YOU, UM, ADD UP THE NUMBER OF, USES, A NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES REQUIRED FOR THE TWO USES, AND YOU DIVIDE IT AND BY, BY WHATEVER FACTOR IS IN THERE.

AND THAT COMES BACK.

AND THIS HAS BEEN ALL THROUGH, UM, VARIOUS RESEARCH AND EVERYTHING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

UM, THESE ARE THE SHARED PARKING MATRIX STANDARDS, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.

UM, THE, THE POINT IS TO ENCOURAGE MORE EFFICIENT PARKING SOLUTIONS AND, UM, NOT HAVING A SEA OF PARKING IN AREAS, BUT

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SO THAT IS THE, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS.

SO I HOPE THAT CLARIFIES THE SHARED PARKING A LITTLE BIT.

PLEASE REMEMBER, ALL PARKING IS INTERIOR TO THE LOT.

IT WILL BE, THE PARKING IS NOT GONNA BE ON THE STREETS OR ON THE SIDES.

IT'S GOING TO BE INTERIOR TO THE LOT.

AND THAT IS IMPORTANT, UM, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE A DOWNTOWN.

YES.

IT'S SEVENTH.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERS SOME QUESTIONS.

I THINK, UH, IT'S MR. CARROLL'S TURN.

NOW YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

'CAUSE SOMEBODY ASKED ME ABOUT THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR AND I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT EXTERIOR.

SO YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION, MR. WHITE.

NO QUESTIONS MS. UZMA.

UH, THE ONLY, UM, ISSUE THAT I HAD WAS THE EXTERIOR PARKING.

AND YOU JUST, UH, VERIFIED THAT IT'S NOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED TO PARK ON THE STREET, UH, AT ALL.

SO IF AT SOMEONE'S HAVING A PARTY IN THERE, AND IF IT'S A STREET, LIKE, UM, THAT ALREADY ALLOWS STREET PARKING YES.

BUT JUST FOR A, A RESIDENTIAL STREET SAAL COURT, FOR EXAMPLE, NO, THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT WHERE THE PARKING IS, IS ALLOWED.

IT'S ALLOWED INTERIOR ON THE LOT.

THANK YOU MR. MESMAN.

A COMMENT OR ASK A QUESTION.

UM, I'M GLAD THAT WE'VE TAKEN SOMETHING THAT WE HAD PUT INTO PLACE AND WE LOOKED AND LOOKED HARD AT IT TO SEE THAT, IS THIS REALLY WHAT WE WANTED? AND WE HAVE MODIFIED IT TO MAKE IT TO WHAT WE WANT.

SOMETIMES WHAT LOOKS GOOD AT THE FIRST VIEW AND PUT IT OUT ON PAPER DOESN'T REALLY WORK.

AND I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE JUMPED OVER THAT AND NOW WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK FOR, FOR WHAT WE WANT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THE STAFF FOR, FOR WORKING HARD TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

AGAIN, LIKE, LIKE THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCES, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF MEETINGS, WORKSHOPS, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS, UH, AT GREAT LENGTH.

AND THE, ONE OF THE, THE THINGS THAT I'M MOST HAPPY ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT WE REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF UNITS THAT CAN GO INTO THESE LOTS.

AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY KEY.

IT ALSO IS A KEY TO THE PARKING SITUATION AS WELL.

FEWER HOUSING UNITS, THE, THE FEWER PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE NECESSARY.

SO I, I THINK, UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS, IS A GOOD THING.

AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT STAFF PLANNING COMMISSION.

A LOT OF PEOPLE PUT IN A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF STUDY, ASKED A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS TO GET TO THIS POINT TODAY.

SO I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S INPUT.

UM, OKAY.

HAVING SAID THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO MAKE

[PUBLIC HEARING]

SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.

THIS IS ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SIX DASH 18 D MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ON SECOND READING ORDINANCE 2025 DASH SIX DASH 18 D.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

THREE CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 1.972 ACRES OF REAL ESTATE LOCATED IN JASPER COUNTY, NOT ALREADY WITHIN THE, UH, HARDY CITY LIMITS, AS WELL AS ALL ADJACENT PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY, RAILROAD RIGHTS OF WAY WATERS, LOWLANDS, AND WETLANDS.

THE ORDINANCE IS NOW PASSED.

NEXT WE HAVE THE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY OF HARDY, UH, PARCEL ZERO EIGHT OH DASH ZERO ZERO DASH OH TWO DASH ZERO

[E. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE TMS PARCEL 080-00-02-003 CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY +/- 1.972 ACRES OF REAL ESTATE LOCATED IN JASPER COUNTY NOT ALREADY WITHIN THE HARDEEVILLE CITY LIMITS, AS WELL AS ALL ADJACENT PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY, RAILROAD RIGHTS OF WAY, WATERS, LOWLANDS, AND WETLANDS (ARGENT BLVD) (2025-06-18E)]

THIS IS OFF ARJUN BOULEVARD.

THIS IS 2025 DASH OH SIX DASH 18 E MR. DAVIS, PLEASE? YES, SIR.

UH, AS INDICATED ON THE MAP THERE ON THE SCREEN, THIS IS AT THE, UH, WHERE THE NORTHEAST, UH, IN QUADRANT OF THE INTERSECTION WITH SHORTCUT ROAD AND AR BOULEVARD.

UH, IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL ANNEXATION, JUST A LITTLE LESS THAN TWO POINT, UH, TWO ACRES.

UH, IT CERTAINLY FALLS RIGHT INTO LINE WITH THE CONVERSATION WE HAD EARLIER TODAY WITH THE COUNTY.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE ANNEXATIONS THAT REALLY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

UH, AND THIS IS RELATED TO THE NEXT ITEM AS WELL, WHICH WILL PLACE THE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO ANNEX IT.

UM, AND THAT WE RECOMMEND

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APPROVAL.

UM, I THINK IT'S MR. MANN'S TURN.

I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, SIR.

MR. WHITE? NO QUESTIONS MR. CARROLL? NO QUESTIONS.

UM, THIS IS ANNEXATION, THIS ONE, AND THE NEXT ONE IS FOR THE ZONING.

AND CERTAINLY IT CLOSES ONE OF THE DONUT HOLES AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER.

THAT IS, UM, ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD EARLIER WITH THE, WITH THE COUNTY.

AND, AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD.

UM, WHAT I WILL HAVE CONCERNS WHEN INITIAL MASTER PLAN COMES BEFORE THIS COUNCIL, AND THAT IS THE, NOT NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHEN IT DOES, UH, THE INGRESS AND EGRESS INTO ARJUN BOULEVARD IS WHAT WE NEED TO TAKE A REAL CLOSE LOOK AT.

AND THAT'S WHY I, UH, ACT HOPE THAT THE, UH, THE LANDOWNERS UNDERSTAND OUR CONCERN ABOUT THAT ROAD.

AND WHATEVER PLAN YOU COME IN WITH, COME IN WITH A PLAN THAT WILL, UM, DEAL WITH THE SAFETY OF THAT, THAT ROAD.

SO, UM, OKAY.

HAVING SAID THAT, MR. MAYOR, MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST TO CLARIFY THIS.

SURE.

THIS WILL NOT COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL BECAUSE IT, IT'S JUST A STRAIGHT ZONING AND WILL BE DEVELOPED UNDER THE MCDO.

SO IT WILL JUST GO TO THE STAFF.

THERE WON'T BE AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN.

NOT FOR THIS PROJECT COMING TO THIS.

SO IT'LL GO THROUGH THE STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE, CERTAINLY AS, AS ALL PROJECTS DO, BUT WELL, THAT'S WHERE IT'LL GO, HUH? UNDER SO MANY ACRES.

IT'S, IT'S NOT AT PDD AND THAT, UH, MY MISTAKE.

UM, SO HAVING SAID THAT, AND THANK YOU MR. DAVIS, WHAT I WOULD ASK MANAGEMENT AND STAFF BEFORE THIS GETS APPROVAL OF THE SITE REVIEW.

I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME.

YES, WE DID.

I BRING IT TO COUNCIL EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T REQUIRE OUR APPROVAL.

YES.

BUT I WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO HAVE A CHANCE TO GIVE INPUT TO THE SITE REVIEW COMMITTEE.

IS THAT, IS THAT FINE? YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT? ABSOLUTELY.

YOU CAN EVEN ATTEND THE MEETING IF YOU'D LIKE.

SO KEEP US INFORMED AND MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY WE'LL HANDLE IT.

UM, MAKE A COMMENT OR ASK A QUESTION.

UM, AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO,

[PUBLIC HEARING]

SEEING NONE, UM, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.

THIS IS THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE.

UH, IT'S 2025 DASH OH SIX DASH 18 E MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF 2025 DASH ZERO SIX DASH 18 E.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL IN JASPER COUNTY TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL IN THE CITY OF HARDY V.

UH, SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND THIS IS NOW THE ZONING.

UM, THIS IS THE, UH, WE'RE CHANGING

[F. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY +/- 1.972 ACRES, KNOWN GENERALLY AS TMS# 080-00-02-003 FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IN JASPER COUNTY TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL (GC) IN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE AND TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE (ARGENT BLVD) (2025-06-18F)]

UM, THIS IS ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SIX DASH 18 F.

UM, LET'S START WITH MR. DAVIS.

DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? NO, SIR.

UM, MR. CARROLL? NO, NO COMMENT.

MAYOR MR. WHITE, NO COMMENTS.

MRS. GUZMAN? NO COMMENTS, SIR.

MR. MESMAN? NO QUESTIONS, SIR.

I'VE ALREADY MADE MY COMMENTS SO I HAVE NO FURTHER, UM, I NOW INVITE THE PUBLIC TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR ASK ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS.

SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO, UH, THIS IS ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SIX DASH 18 F MR. MAR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 2025 DASH SIX DASH 18 F.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS AS WELL.

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AMENDMENT TO AN AGREEMENT OF CONSOLIDATION AND TRANSFER BETWEEN BEAUFORT, JASPER WATER AND SEWER AUTHORITY AND THE CITY OF HARDY DATED JANUARY 17TH, 20 2002, AND OTHER MATTERS RELATED THERE TOO.

GOOD LUCK, GENTLEMEN.

UM, TAKE CARE OF THAT TRAFFIC ON ARJUN BOULEVARD.

WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN, OR THEY WILL SEE YOU SOON, I'M SURE.

NEXT.

UM, WE HAVE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE THIRD

[G. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE THIRD AMENDMENT TO AN AGREEMENT OF CONSOLIDATION AND TRANSFER BETWEEN BEAUFORT JASPER WATER AND SEWER AUTHORITY AND THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE DATED JANUARY 17, 2002; AND OTHER MATTERS RELATING THERETO (2025-06-18G)]

THIS IS, UH, ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SIX DASH 18 G MR. DAVIS, PLEASE? YES, SIR.

AGAIN, THANK YOU.

UH, THIS, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT ORIGINALLY, ORIGINALLY CRAFTED WHEN THE, UH, CITY SOLD ITS WATER SYSTEM TO B-J-W-S-A.

AND I'LL REFER TO MRS. MRS. MAINS TO FURTHER SUMMARIZE THE, UH, NEW AMENDMENT.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

UM, AS MR. DAVIS STATED, THIS IS A THIRD AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT CON CONSOLIDATION AND TRANSFER.

THE CITY OF HARDY V DID HAVE ITS OWN WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICES.

IN 2002, THEY TRANSFERRED THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO B-J-W-S-A.

UM, THAT AGREEMENT INCLUDED A LIMITED NUMBER OF WASTEWATER AND WATER CAPACITY CREDITS TO BE PROVIDED TO THE CITY AT A DISCOUNTED RATE.

UM, NOW THAT, THAT, AND IT WAS FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, NOW THAT PERIOD OF TIME HAS NOW EXPIRED AND THE CITY MAY STILL PURCHASE CAPACITY RATES AT THE CURRENT MARKET RATE.

UM, SO WHAT THIS AMENDMENT DO IS REMOVES THE SECTION REGARDING THOSE REDUCED CAPACITY CREDITS, BECAUSE THAT HAS ALREADY EXPIRED.

AND IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR THE CITY TO, UM, PARTICIPATE IN A NEW LOCAL GOVERNMENT PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM THAT B-J-W-S-A IS DOING.

SO THAT WILL GIVE THE CITY AN INITIAL CONTRIBUTION OF $500,000 IN THE FIRST YEAR.

AND THAT WILL BE USED ON THE EXIT EIGHT WATER SEWER PROJECT.

AND THAT IS AN IGA THAT'S ON APPROVAL A LITTLE BIT FARTHER DOWN THIS, UM, THIS AGENDA.

UM, AND THEN YOU WILL GET, FOR FIVE YEARS, YOU'LL GET THAT CONTRIBUTION OF, UM, UP TO A MILLION DOLLARS TO USE TOWARDS PROJECTS THAT YOU'LL DO THAT INVOLVED, UM, WATER WASTE, WATER AND SEWER.

UH, LET'S START WITH MR. MESMAN.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, SIR? NO, SIR.

I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

MR. WHITE? NO QUESTIONS MR. CARROLL? NO QUESTIONS.

WELL, I'M GONNA HAVE TO ASK QUESTIONS JUST SO THE, THE SLOWED THIS MEETING DOWN.

UM, BUT, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

I, I CAN REMEMBER, UH, MR. STONE WHO'S HERE IN THE AUDIENCE, UM, I, I MET WITH HIM AND I THINK HE MET WITH ALL THE OTHER COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT FIRST INTRODUCED THIS PLAN.

IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO, WASN'T IT, CHARLIE, WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED? UM, AND SO WE, WE'VE BEEN THOROUGHLY, UH, VERSED IN, IN NOT ONLY WHAT THE DETAILS OF THIS PROGRAM IS, BUT ALSO THE BENEFITS TO THE CITY OF, OF THIS PROGRAM.

AND SO I THINK IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT.

WE'RE, UH, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF, UM, ALL THE EFFORTS THAT'S GONE INTO MAKING THIS A GOOD PARTNERSHIP.

AND ALSO, UH, I'D, I'D LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAVING BEEN THROUGH A NUMBER OF, UH, ADMINISTRATIONS, I'M REALLY VERY PLEASED WITH THE, UH, THE WORKING RELATIONSHIP OF B-J-W-S-A AND, AND YOUR MANAGEMENT AND YOUR BOARD TO, UM, DEAL WITH THE FUTURE GROWTH AND, AND THE CHALLENGES THAT WE ALL HAVE, UH, WITH INFRASTRUCTURE GOING FORWARD.

SO, THANK YOU.

UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'M GONNA VOTE FOR IT.

JUST, UH, KIDDING.

UM, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC

[PUBLIC HEARING]

FOR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.

DOES ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO, UH, ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SIX DASH 18 G.

MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ON SECOND READING ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SIX DASH 18 G.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

MAYOR? NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

MUST SAY YOU BROUGHT OUT ALL THE HEAVY HITTERS TODAY FOR THIS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

CAN I SAY SOMETHING,

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IT'S CLOSED.

THREE MINUTE LIMIT.

PUT THE CLOCK ON HIM.

I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING BEFORE BECAUSE I JUST WANTED Y'ALL TO HAVE THE LIBERTY TO VOTE WITHOUT ANY COMMENT.

ONE OF THE REASONS WE HIRED MR. STONE, CHARLIE, WAS TO HELP COORDINATE THIS.

HE IS OUR GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS REPRESENTATIVE, AND WE FOUND THE, THE BOARD FOUND THAT ACROSS THE WHOLE AREA WE HAD DIFFERENT, UH, AGREEMENTS WITH DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE, MAKE 'EM, NOT CONSOLIDATE, BUT ORGANIZE 'EM.

SO THEY'D ALL BE SIMILAR.

IT WAS JUST NOT FAIR TO SOME OF THE, UM, CITIES AND TOWNS THAT WE HAD IN THE COUNTY.

SO WE WANTED TO MAKE EVERYTHING KIND OF CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD AS CONSISTENT AS POSSIBLE.

SO CHARLIE WAS HIRED TO HELP DO THAT.

HE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB COORDINATING WITH Y'ALL.

I COMMEND HIM FOR HIS EFFORTS, AND I THANK Y'ALL FOR WORKING WITH HIM.

AND I THANK, UH, THE STAFF FOR WORKING WITH HIM BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR THE LAST TWO.

WHEN I FIRST BECAME BOARD CHAIRMAN TWO YEARS AGO, THIS WAS ONE OF THE TASKS I WANTED TO SEE GET DONE, THAT WE COORDINATE WITH THE COMMUNITIES, WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES AND, AND GET OUR AGREEMENTS IN LINE.

AND, UH, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP WE HAVE OTHERS TO DO.

BUT WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR APPROVAL AND, UH, THE BOARD APPROVED THE EXIT EIGHT AGREEMENT LAST MONTH, SO OUR PART OF IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.

AND JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, UM, AS YOUR REPRESENTATIVE ON THE BUFORT JASPER WATER SEWER AUTHORITY BOARD, I THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO REPRESENT YOU.

THEY HAVE REELECTED ME FOR ANOTHER TERM AS CHAIRMAN FOR NEXT YEAR, SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE AND REC AND SERVE HARDY BILL.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD MR. PAGEANT THAT, UH, WHENEVER, REMEMBER, THE PUBLIC SPEAKS OUT OF TURNER'S OF $500 FINE.

SO WOULD YOU SEE MR. BOYLES BEFORE YOU LEAVE UN.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL .

SECTION 3.6 MOBILE VENDOR STANDARDS.

SERIOUSLY, WE, WE VALUE OUR PARTNERSHIP.

NEXT WE GO ON TO NEW BUSINESS.

JOHN, WE STILL HAVEN'T BEATEN YOUR RECORD, BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS, THAT WAS PRETTY, PRETTY QUICK.

UH, WE HAVE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE MUNICIPAL ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, MZDO,

[A. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE MUNICIPAL ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE (MZDO) SECTION 3.6 MOBILE VENDOR STANDARDS (2025-07-10A)]

THIS IS, UH, FIRST READING OF 2025 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 10 A.

MR. DAVIS, PLEASE, SIR.

AGAIN, UH, THANK YOU.

THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT COMES FROM OUR PLANNING STAFF TO, UH, BETTER REGULATE AND BE CONSISTENT WITH HOW WE TREAT FOOD TRUCKS WITHIN THE CITY.

IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE, UH, AN IMPEDIMENT TO THEM.

WE CERTAINLY, UH, LIKE THEM, ENJOY THEM PERSONALLY, UM, BUT WE JUST WANT SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL STANDARDS AND REGULATIONS.

SO, UH, STAFF HAS A, UH, SHORT PRESENTATION TO GIVE YOU, AND THIS HAS BEEN AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, RECEIVED A FAVORABLE APPROVAL OR RECOMMENDATION, I SHOULD SAY.

THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS.

UM, GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

AND YES, ON THIS, UM, WE, WE LEARNED THAT, UM, THE FOOD TRUCK INDUSTRY CHANGED A LOT OVER THE PAST SIX, SEVEN YEARS.

AND, UM, WE WEREN'T, UH, OUR ORDINANCE WASN'T IN KEEPING WITH THAT.

SO, UM, WE FOUND MOST WITH, UM, THESE FOOD TRUCKS WANTING TO COME AND GO INTO NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND DO SPECIAL EVENTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

THIS MAKES THAT WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT.

WE'VE BEEN LETTING IT HAPPEN.

WHAT WE NEEDED, THE ORDINANCE TO COME IN COMPLIANCE WITH IT.

ALSO, OUR PLANNING COMMISSION WAS VERY HELPFUL IN THIS ONE BECAUSE THEY FOUND OUT THAT WHEN DES AND, UM, ALL THE DIFFERENT DEC ORG, UM, ARMS CHANGE THEIR NAMES, FOOD TRUCK REGULATION NOW GOES TO THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE.

AND WE WERE ABLE TO FIX THAT IN THIS, IN THIS ORDINANCE AS WELL.

SO, UM, THANK TO EVERYBODY FOR HELPING US WITH THAT.

AND, UH, I HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

IT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO MOVE AROUND.

UM, MR. MESMAN, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CHANGES? UM, IT BASICALLY, THE WHAT'S IN RED IS, UM, THEY'RE PERMITTED, ARE PERMITTED IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS, MOBILE UNITS, SETTING UP IN NEIGHBORHOODS, TEMPORARY SPATIAL EVENTS, AND PRIVATE PARTIES MUST OBTAIN A SEASONAL MOBILE VENDOR PERMIT.

UM, AND THAT IS A MUCH EASIER TO GET, AND WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE INSPECTIONS AND EVERYTHING, BUT, UM, IT ALLOWS THEM TO MOVE AROUND BEFORE WE LIMIT IT TO THE THREE LOCATIONS.

THEY COULD GET A PERMIT FROM US AND ONLY, UH, SET UP IN THREE LOCATIONS.

UM, WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTEN RID OF THAT AND NOW MAKE, MAKE

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UM, ENFORCEMENT OF THESE, HOW'S THAT WORKING SO FAR? UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT? YES.

TAXON, UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS TO DO A, A SAFETY INSPECTION ON THEM, UM, AS WELL.

AND, UM, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THEY'RE COMPLYING, FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT TELLING ON EACH OTHER.

I BET.

SO, UM, IT'S BEEN WORKING WELL.

GOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MRS. GUZMAN.

UM, HOW DOES THIS ADDRESS THE, THE HEALTH PART OF THE STUFF THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING, UM, PERMITS DISPLAYED SOMEWHERE? MM-HMM .

THERE ARE KITCHENS HAVE BEEN THAT, THAT INSPECTED BEFORE.

THE FOOD TRUCKS OUT THERE, THEY CAN'T GET A PERMIT FROM US UNLESS THEY HAVE WHAT THEY NEED FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE.

AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

UM, THE FIRE MARSHAL, UM, DOES AN INSPECTION AND THE FIRE INSPECTOR DOES AN INSPECTION OKAY.

ON THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY MEET ALL SAFETY STANDARDS FROM THE, THEIR ASPECT AS WELL.

BUT THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, THERE'S A STICKER, THEY GET USED TO SAY DE NOW IT'S DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, AND THAT HAS TO BE POSTED ON A PROMINENT MM-HMM .

SO I HAVE SEEN A FOOD TRUCK RIGHT BEFORE JNC AUTO, THE GARAGE MM-HMM .

AND IT HAS A BUNCH OF TABLES AND STUFF THERE.

NOW IS THAT A PERMANENT LOCATION OR IS THAT A TEMPORARY LOCATION? BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THAT ALMOST EVERY DAY.

THAT IS A TEMPORARY, UM, THEY, WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM.

UM, THEY HAD SOME SITUATIONS ON WHERE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CITED AND CODE ENFORCEMENT IS, UM, CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT ONE TO GET EVERYTHING MOVED INTO THE RIGHT LOCATION.

BUT THEY CAN SET UP, LIKE, THERE'S ONE ALSO AROUND THE CORNER ON JOHN SMITH.

MM-HMM.

THEY CAN SET UP IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS WITH CERTAIN PARAMETERS.

UM, WHO DO THEY COME TO FOR THAT WHEN THEY COME TO THE CITY, WHO DO THEY GET THE PERMIT FROM? PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

AND THAT, AND THERE'S ONE, UM, ALSO A LOT AT TIMES I SEE IT.

THE TRAFFIC LIGHT.

YEP.

THAT ONE IS PERMITTED OR THEY GET THEIR PERMIT AND, UM, AS NEEDED YEAH.

TO, TO START THE PROCESS.

THEY CONTACT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DOES ISSUE THAT PERMIT, BUT WE, UM, INCLUDE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WE INCLUDE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THOSE MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COMPLETE, THEY'RE SAFE.

AND, UM, AND THEN AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, THEY ALSO GET THE BUSINESS LICENSE INVOLVED.

SO THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE THAT'S HAS, UM, BEEN NEEDING SOME REGULATION.

WHAT IF WE TOOK, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT BE A PLACE, BUT WHAT IF WE TOOK A CERTAIN SECTION OF WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD AND SAID, HEY, YOU CAN, YOU CAN GO THERE, UH, RATHER THAN LET IT GO ANYWHERE ON THE STREET.

YEAH, WE'VE DEFINITELY STARTED STRUCTURING IT MORE, WHICH THIS ORDINANCE REFLECTS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, LIMITED TO THE NUMBER OF DAYS THEY CAN STAY.

UM, I'M, I'M READING HERE.

PERMANENT, UM, PERMANENT MOBILE VENDING UNITS ARE PERMITTED IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS.

MOBILE VENDING SHALL BE CONDUCTED FROM PRIVATE PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR ICE CREAM TRUCKS, WHICH MAY OPERATE FROM PUBLIC STREETS.

WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, I HAVE, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AT ALL.

WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME GETTING A MASTER PLAN FOR WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD.

WE HAVE A, A CITY OBJECTIVE OF MAKING WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD, AN ENTIRELY NEW LOOK.

AND WE'RE READY.

WE'VE, WE'VE BOUGHT PROPERTY, WE'RE INVESTING IN THAT TO ALLOW IT IN ALL ZONINGS, I CAN JUST ENVISION BY ALLOWING IT, WE HAVE A STREET FULL OF, OF FOOD TRUCKS ALL THE WAY UP AND DOWN WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD.

I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE AS AN ALTERNATE IS, AND, AND BY THE WAY, I WANNA SAY I'M, I'M A BIG AFFECTION OF, UH, FOOD TRUCKS.

I DON'T OBJECT TO 'EM, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST, WHICH I, UM, WHEN WE DID THIS AGENDA WITH MR. UH, GRUBER, I BROUGHT THIS UP, UH, RATHER THAN ALLOW IT IN EVERY ZONING DISTRICT, WHY DON'T WE CREATE A DISTRICT FOR FOOD TRUCKS AND JUST ALLOW IT IN THAT DISTRICT RATHER THAN ALLOW IT ALL UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.

AND HERE'S SOME, UH, EXAMPLES.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, DOWN AT THE CORNER OF JOHN SMITH AND, AND WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD, THERE'S THAT FORMER, UH, THERE WAS A USED CAR LOT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THERE NOW.

IT WAS UP FOR SALE.

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THAT'S, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

I I CERTAINLY CAN, WE CAN WORK ON THAT.

I SEE THE, THE BENEFITS IN THAT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TRYING TO DO.

UM, WE DO HAVE A LIMIT.

WE HAD, WE PREVIOUS ORDINANCES, THE RESTAURANTS IN TOWN SAID, PLEASE DON'T LET 'EM COME PARK RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.

THAT'S WHERE WE GOT THAT 150 FEET, WHICH MAKES COMPLETE SENSE.

WE WILL, UM, BE HAPPY TO REWORK THE WORDING, UM, FOR SECOND READING IF, IF YOU THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND MAKE A FLOATING ZONE OR MAKE A, A ZONE THAT IS APPROPRIATE, AN AREA OF WHITE HARDY THAT IS, UM, APPROPRIATE FOR FOOD TRUCKS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

FOR ME, UH, ONE VOTE, BUT ALL ZONING DISTRICTS IS, IS I, I, I HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THAT.

ABSOLUTELY.

GOOD.

NOT A DISAGREEMENT, BUT JUST CLARIFICATION WITH WHAT HARRY'S SAYING, WHICH I THINK HAS A LOT OF MERIT.

IF WE DID THAT, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE CUSTOMER BASE THAT I HAVE THE IMPRESSION PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT FROM THEIR BUSINESS AND GETTING SOMETHING AND GOING BACK, BUT HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THAT IN FIRMS OF THE USER? WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? IT COULD BE A VERY POSITIVE THING.

WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD MORE WALKABLE AND MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND CREATE MORE, UM, HUMAN SCALE, UM, THINGS.

AND I THAT MIGHT BE HAVING IT, THE FOOD TRUCKS IN A CERTAIN AREA MAY BE, UM, A BENEFIT TO THAT.

SO IT FITS INTO A, A BROADER VISION THAT YOU HAVE.

I, I THINK IT, I THINK IT MOST DEFINITELY CAN.

GOOD.

WHAT THE MAYOR SAID, I'VE SEEN THE CITY WHERE I CAME FROM, THEY FORMED A FOOD TRUCK PARK MM-HMM .

WHERE THE, WHERE THE TRUCKS COULD ALL, AND THERE WAS PARK, UH, BENCHES AND PICNIC TABLES AND STUFF FOR THEM THERE AND THAT WORK.

AND, BUT SOMETHING THAT BROUGHT IT TO THE RIGHT IS, IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE RESTAURANTS THAT THAT FOOD TRUCK SITS THERE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE THEY HAVE A LIMIT.

THEY CAN BE THERE FOR THREE DAYS AND THEY HAVE TO BE GONE FOR A WEEK, THREE DAYS, AND GONE FOR A WEEK.

BECAUSE IT'S TRULY NOT FAIR TO THOSE WHO HAVE INVESTED IN BRICK AND MORTAR IN HARDY V TO HAVE THOSE THERE ALL THE TIME.

THERE'S A, THERE'S A COMPROMISE SOMEWHERE IN THERE, BUT I THINK ALLOWING THEM TO BE THERE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK OR EVEN FIVE DAYS A WEEK, IS, IS IS STRETCHING IT A LITTLE BIT.

WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK INTO, UM, NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS, ORDINANCES AND OTHER OPTIONS FROM AROUND THE AREA AND FALLS.

I THINK, I THINK BLUFFTON HAS A CERTAIN, UH, DO THEY HAVE ONE? THEY, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT TIME LIMITS.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT TIME LIMITS, BUT I DO KNOW THEY HAVE SPECIFIC ZONES WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC ZONES.

SO THEN ONCE YOU GET OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN, THEY'RE NOT AS RESTRICTIVE.

THEY'RE ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, IN THE COMMUNITIES.

BUT THE DOWNTOWN AREA, YES, THEY HAVE ZONES.

AND WE MAY, UH, RATHER THAN RESTRICT IT TO ONE ZONE, MAYBE IT'S TWO, ONE AT EITHER END, ONE DOWN BY EXIT FIVE, ONE DOWN BY JOHN SMITH ROAD, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, IF IT'S AT JOHN SMITH ROAD FOR EXAMPLE, MAYBE THERE'S A, A, A WAY THAT LANDOWNER MAYBE WANTS TO RENT THAT SPACE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT FOOD COURT CAN BE ESTABLISHED.

SO I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK INTO THAT RATHER THAN JUST SAY ALL EVERYBODY CAN GO ANYWHERE THEY WANT.

I THINK THAT WHOEVER MADE THE POINT ABOUT THE BRICK AND MORTAR, UH, IS A, IS A SOUND POINT.

I THINK THAT'S GOOD RECOMMENDATION.

SO IF WE, UH, ONE OTHER QUESTION TO YOU, IF WE DO PASS ON FIRST READING, UH, THIS WILL BE CONTINGENT UPON YOU COMING BACK WITH SOME REVISED PLANS FOR SECOND READING.

ABSOLUTELY.

IS TWO WEEKS ENOUGH TIME FOR YOU TO, TO GET THAT DONE? I THINK SO.

WE'LL DO OUR BEST.

THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING, UH, THIS ORDINANCE? AND THIS IS FIRST READING.

AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

DOES

[PUBLIC HEARING]

THERE WILL BE A SECOND READING AS WELL.

MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF 2025 DASH SEVEN DASH 10 A WITH THE CODICIL.

SEEING NONE, I WOULD LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, MAKE ANY CHANGES TABLING ANY OPTION TO THE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 10 A.

[01:40:02]

THAT STAFF WILL COME BACK WITH ANSWERS TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED TONIGHT.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION.

UM, I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

UH, NICE.

CHANGE TO THAT MOTION, MR. MESMAN.

ADOPT A MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL FOR A TRACT LAND CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 24 ACRES, KNOWN GENERALLY AS CROSS SCHOOLS OF EAST AR TO INCLUDE A PORTION OF PARCEL OH SIX SEVEN DASH ZERO DASH ONE DASH 1 0 7 LOCATED OFF EAST AR PARKWAY.

UM, NEXT WE HAVE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO

[B. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT A MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL FOR A TRACT OF LAND CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY +/- 24 ACRES, KNOWN GENERALLY AS CROSS SCHOOLS OF EAST ARGENT TO INCLUDE A PORTION OF PARCEL 067-00-01-107 LOCATED OFF OF EAST ARGENT PARKWAY AND TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE TO INDICATE THAT PORTION SUBJECT TO THE MASTER PLAN (2025-07-10B)]

AND TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDY V TO INDICATE THAT PORTION SUBJECT TO THE MASTER PLAN, UH, THIS IS ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 10 B.

MR. DAVIS, YOU GONNA HAND THIS OFF TO MS. WOODRUFF WOODRUFF? ABSOLUTELY.

GONNA HAND THAT OFF TO MS. WOODRUFF .

SORRY.

SO THE, UM, THIS IS CROSS SCHOOLS.

THIS IS THE PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.

UM, IT IS SURROUNDED BY SUN CITY ON THESE SIDES.

UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE EAST ARGENT BOULEVARD THERE.

IT'S LOCATED IN THE EAST.

ARGENT PD.

DD HERE'S A, UM, PROPOSED MASTER PLAN FOR THAT PROPERTY.

SORRY, MY POINTER JUST DIED.

UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE LAYOUT, UM, IN ALL THE, STILL HAVE ANY, HERE WE GO.

CAME BACK, UM, .

SO YOU CAN SEE THE WETLANDS HERE, UM, WHICH ARE THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY.

AND THEN THE FUTURE WORSHIP FACILITY HERE.

UM, THE PRESCHOOL LOCATED HERE IN ANOTHER POTENTIAL FUTURE FACILITY THERE.

UM, WITH A MULCH NATURE TRAIL THROUGHOUT HERE.

THE, UM, BUFFERS ARE, UM, AT LEAST 50 FEET ON ALL SIDES.

UM, BUT IN MANY AREAS IT'S, THERE'S ADDITIONAL BUFFER DUE TO THE WETLANDS.

AND ANYWHERE THERE IS WETLAND AREA, UM, THERE IS A ADDITIONAL 20 FOOT BUFFER FROM THE WETLANDS.

UH, IT'S 24 ACRE SITE, UM, WITH A PROPOSED 400 STUDENT PRESCHOOL FACILITY AND FUTURE WORSHIP FACILITIES.

UM, IT'S ACCESSED DIRECTLY OFF OF EAST PARKWAY.

UM, AND WE'LL HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT MULTI-USE PATH ALONG THE PARKWAY WITH FIVE FOOT INTERNAL SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT, AS WELL AS THE MULCHED DISCOVERY TRAIL.

UM, PHASING THE PROPOSED PHASE ONE IS TO GET THIS ACCESS HERE AND, UM, CONSTRUCT THE PRESCHOOL.

UM, DID, I THINK I WENT OVER MOST OF THIS.

THERE IS, UM, 55% PROPOSED OPEN SPACE WITH A TOTAL OF 8.71% ACTIVE.

AND PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, UNANIMOUSLY THAT THIS BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED.

SO IT WAS IN FRONT OF YOU FOR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.

UM, AND AT THIS TIME I'LL INTRODUCE MR. KAISER, DO YOU WANNA COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR PROJECT WITH WEB FEET? YEAH.

VERY NICE TO BE WITH YOU ALL.

MAYOR.

HELLO.

UH, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME? YES, SIR.

MY NAME IS STEVE AFFILIATION STEVE FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD.

SO I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY EXCEPT THAT WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT OUR APPLICATION AND THE TOWN STAFF HAS DONE A MAGNIFICENT JOB, UH, TAKING CAREFUL REVIEW TIME TO REVIEW ALL THAT.

WE'VE RESPONDED TO SOME QUESTIONS THAT THEY PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT.

WE HAVE WITH US OUR LAND PLANNER, JOSH TILLER, ENGINEER.

HEATH'S DUNCAN, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEER ON THE WAY FROM CHARLESTON, STUCK ON I 95.

IS HE HERE? OH, THANK YOU.

BILLY TURNER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DYLAN TURNER SUBSTITUTE.

OH, YOU'RE THE .

WHAT'S YOUR NAME? CONRAD.

NICE TO MEET YOU.

CONRAD .

UH, AND THE TRAFFIC WAS INTERESTING, SO WE'RE JUST REALLY PLEASED TO BE HERE ALL IN ONE PIECE TONIGHT.

THANK Y'ALL FOR HAVING US, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO PRESENT TONIGHT EXCEPT OUR ENTHUSIASM AND WE'RE GLAD TO BE WITH YOU.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE GLAD TO ADDRESS 'EM.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.

GREAT.

WELL, WE'LL FIND OUT IN A MOMENT WHETHER WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, OKAY.

LET'S START WITH MR. CARROLL.

MR. CARROLL, YOU HAVE

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I DON'T THINK I DO.

I DON'T BELIEVE I DO.

OKAY, MR. WHITE, HOW ABOUT YOU? NO QUESTIONS, MRS. GUZMAN? UM, MY ONLY, UM, I WON'T SAY IT'S AN ISSUE, BUT I WOULD SAY IT'S A CONCERN, IS THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE BACK BUFFER BETWEEN SUN CITY EAST ORIGIN AND YOUR PROPERTY LINE.

WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE PROPERTY IN SUN EAST? HOW WIDE? SO YOU HAVE A MINIMUM OF 50 FOOT ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, ALL 50 FEET, UM, ON ALL THREE SIDES HERE.

UM, AND WHERE THERE'S WETLANDS, YOU HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL 20 FOOT BUFFER.

AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, FOR SUN CITY, THEY HAVE A 50 FOOT BUFFER AS WELL.

AND THIS APPLICATION'S PROPOSING UNDISTURBED UNLESS NECESSARY FOR A UTILITY OR SOMETHING.

SO WHEN YOU SAY UNDISTURBED, THERE IS NO TREES THAT'S GOING TO BE CUT WITHIN THAT 50 FOOT BLOCK? NO, NO.

NOT FOR THE UNDISTURBED AREAS, NO.

'CAUSE 50 FEET IS NOTHING? NO, IT'S 50 ON EACH SIDE.

SO IT'S 50 ON EACH SIDE.

EACH SIDE, YEP.

PRETTY GOOD.

AND THE STORM WATER POND, HOW DEEP ARE THE POND? BECAUSE I, I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT STONE WATER, UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE CREATING A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OVER THERE, SO ALL THE WATER HAS TO GO SOMEPLACE.

AND I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IF THE PONDS ARE NOT DEEP ENOUGH, IT'S GONNA OVERCOME AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL KINDS OF FLOODING MOVING BACK THERE.

YES MA'AM.

HEATH DUNCAN, WHATEVER ENGINEERING, I THINK I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

UM, THE STORM WATER PONDS, UM, THE WAY THE DRAINAGE WORKS ON THE SITE IS IT MOSTLY DRAINS TO THAT BIG WETLAND IN THE MIDDLE AND IT ACTUALLY DRAINS NORTH TOWARDS SUN CITY.

AND SUN CITY KNEW THAT WHEN THEY BUILT AND THEY FILLED IN AND KIND OF BLOCKED THE NATURAL FLOW.

SO THEY HAVE A PIPE THAT THEY EXTENDED DOWN TOWARDS US TO RECEIVE THAT.

SO WE'LL HAVE STORMWATER PONDS ON THE CHURCH PROPERTY THAT, UM, DETAINS ALL THE NEW RUNOFF FROM ALL THE PAVING AND DISCHARGES AT THIS, AT THE PRE-DEVELOPED RATE.

SO THE, THE, THE WATER THAT LEAVES THE DEVELOPED PART OF THE PROPERTY WILL, WILL LEAVE AT THE SAME RATE IT DID AS IT DOES TODAY WHILE IT'S WOODED.

SO, AND, AND IT'LL GO TOWARDS THAT WETLAND WHERE IT GOES CURRENTLY AND IT WILL ENTER THE SUN CITY PIPE, WHICH WAS DESIGNED FOR THAT SPECIFIC FLOW.

SO, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE DEPTH OF THE PONDS, THERE'LL BE WET PONDS AND WE USUALLY TRY TO MAKE THEM SIX TO EIGHT FOOT DEPTH BELOW THE WATER, UH, MINIMUM JUST TO, UM, TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF VEGETATION GROWING UP.

IF IT'S TOO SHALLOW, YOU GET A LOT OF VEGETATION GROWING UP IN THE MIDDLE.

AND SO THAT IS TYPICALLY THEIR DEPTH.

UM, AND THEN ALL THE STORAGE THAT WE, THAT WE, UM, USE TO DETAIN AND KEEP THE RATES THE WAY WE WANT THEM, ALL THAT STORAGE ACTUALLY OCCURS ABOVE THE WATER LINE.

SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL DESIGN THEM SUCH THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE DEEP ENOUGH TO CONTAIN ALL THAT EXTRA RUNOFF FROM THE PAVEMENT AND DISCHARGE IT THE SAME RATE THAT IT DOES TODAY.

SO YOU SAY THAT THERE'S A PIPE THAT'S GOING TO LEAD FROM THESE PONDS THROUGH SUN CITY, AND WHERE WILL IT DISCHARGE ON THE STORMWATER NOW? IS THERE A POINTER? YES, THE GREEN BUTTON THERE IS IN SUN CITY, I THINK SOMEWHERE IN THIS GENERAL AREA, A PIPE THAT ALL THIS NATURALLY FLOWS THIS DIRECTION.

AND WHEN SUN CITY BUILT, THEY FILLED IN, SO THEY KIND OF BLOCKED THAT.

SO THEY PROVIDED, I THINK IT'S A 48 INCH PIPE DOWN TO THIS PROPERTY TO PICK IT UP AND TAKE IT THROUGH THAT POND, WHICH THEN GOES THROUGH NUMEROUS OTHER PONDS BEFORE IT ULTIMATELY DISCHARGES SOMEWHERE WAY OVER HERE TO THE EAST.

AND THE, THE WAY THE SUN CITY LAGOON SYSTEM WORKS.

SO SUN CITY IS AWARE THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE USING THAT PIPE TO DISCHARGE ALL THIS? THEY ARE.

THEY, THEY HAD TO PROVIDE THAT PIPE BECAUSE THEY BASICALLY BLOCKED THE DRAINAGE UPSTREAM.

SO THEY HAD TO ALLOW FOR IT TO BE ABLE TO CONVEY THROUGH IN WRITING SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT.

WE OUT JUST AN ASSUMPTION, IT, IT, IT, THEIR PLAN WAS TO PROVE THAT WAY THEIR DRAINAGE CAL SHOW THAT THEY RECEIVED THE WATER FROM UPSTREAM, WHICH IS THE CHURCH SITE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A WELL ESTABLISHED PRACTICE AGREEMENT AND THIS ISN'T SOMETHING ON THE BACK OF AN ENVELOPE.

IT'S PRETTY WELL DOCUMENTED IN THE SUN CITY DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS AND WILL BE FURTHER DOCUMENTED IN THE DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS FOR THE CHURCH.

NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT YOU ONLY, I'M ONLY SEEING ON THIS ONLY ONE ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY.

MR. MESMAN,

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I HAVE MY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

THAT IS PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OTHERS.

UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE, THERE WILL BE CHILDREN AND SMALL CHILDREN IN THERE.

UM, EAST AR PARKWAY RIGHT NOW IS FAIRLY CALM, BUT ONCE IT'S COMPLETED ALL THE WAY THROUGH, IT WILL SEE A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN TRAFFIC AND ONLY HAVING THAT ONE ENTRANCE AND EXIT THERE IS A CONCERN OF MINE.

AND AT TIMES, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING UPON THE SCHOOL DAYS AND THE HOURS, IT COULD BE FUTURE EXPANSION WITH THE CHURCH, IT COULD BE, I'D FEEL MUCH BETTER IF THERE WAS SOME PLAN SOMEWHERE WITHIN THERE THAT THERE WAS, UM, AT LEAST AN EMERGENCY ACCESS OR EXIT FOR FIRST RESPONDERS OR SOMETHING ELSE.

UM, WE WILL CERTAINLY GET WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THIS IS ADDRESSED BY THE, BY THE TIME WE GET TO SECOND READING.

PLEASE DO, BECAUSE I HAVE ALL THOSE ANSWERS.

UM, HE HAS REVIEWED IT, UM, AT, AT PREVIOUSLY.

MM-HMM.

MR. MAYOR, IF I'M SORRY.

WHOA.

WE ARE, WE ARE UNDER, UM, A TORNADO WARNING RIGHT NOW.

AND, UH, NOT, NOT A WATCH, BUT A WARNING UNTIL 6:00 PM I KNOW THAT'S JUST ABOUT 10 MINUTES AWAY, BUT WE MAY WANT TO HAVE EVERYONE MOVE TO THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING AT THIS POINT UNTIL SIX O'CLOCK PASSES.

UM, I MEAN, YOU SEE, YOU HEAR ALL THE ALARMS GOING OFF THAT MEANS, SO WE, YOU WANT US TO PAUSE THE MEETING? I, I DO.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE SMART THING TO DO AND MOVE TO THE .

I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD MOVE TO THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING JUST TO BE SAFE.

UH, THE, I'LL NEED A, UH, MOTION FROM COUNSEL TO, UM, SUSPEND, TAKE A BREAK.

SUSPEND.

I LIKE THAT, MR. MAYOR.

WE HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.

OKAY, WE WILL ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.

WILL RETURN AT 6:00 PM

[City Council Is taking a short recess]

[Back from short recess ]

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[02:05:50]

HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

NOW I FORGET WHERE WE WERE.

WHO WAS, UH, SPEAKING LAST? MR. MESMAN? YES.

MY CONCERN WAS THE ONE ENTRANCE AND EXIT.

UM, THIS, AS THIS IS THE FIRST READING, I'D LIKE TO POSSIBLY SEE IF THERE'S ANY ALTERNATIVES BEFORE SECOND.

UM, AND THERE AGAIN, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE.

UM, IF YOU DO BUILD, HAVE A CHURCH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UH, JUST A SAFETY FACTOR FOR IT.

WE'VE ASKED OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE COME ALONG TO, TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE, UH, UH, A SECOND TYPE OF ACCESS.

IF, IF NOT, IF EVEN JUST FOR THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES, IF THEY NEED IT, WE WILL.

I CAN CERTAINLY GET WITH, UM, CHIEF ROW AND, UM, SEE WHAT, SEE WHAT SOME OPTIONS ARE WITH THESE FOLKS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT'S ALL.

UM, I'M LOOKING AT THIS MASTER PLAN AND IF THERE IS A FUTURE, UH, HOUSE OF WORSHIP OFF EAST SERGEANT PARKWAY, IT MAY MAKE SOME SENSE TO MR. MANN'S POINT TO HAVE A DIRECT ACCESS INTO THAT PLACE OF WORSHIP.

YOU SEE WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT? MM-HMM .

IT SAYS, BUT CHURCH, RATHER THAN HAVE EVERYBODY COME IN THAT ONE AREA AND THEN GO OVER TO THE CHURCH.

MAY THAT, THAT MAY BE ONE POSSIBILITY.

THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

I'M GONNA BE KIND OF DISCOURAGED NOT HAVING TWO ENTRANCES.

WELL, SEEMS LIKE NOW IT'S GETTING WHERE THE, WHAT, WHAT THAT REFERRED TO, IF I RECALL, WERE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE CONSTANTLY COMING IN AND OUT AND GOING TO WORK, WHEREAS THIS IS, THIS IS A SCHOOL AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, AT FIVE O'CLOCK OR WHENEVER IT'S, IT'S EMPTY.

SO IT'S A LITTLE, AND I DON'T, I'M I'M JUST SPECULATING.

I THINK THE CHIEF HAS TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS UP.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, WHEN READING THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, IT SAYS 400 STUDENTS AND 44 STAFF.

WOW.

UH, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S A LOT OF STAFF PER STUDENT.

UM, THAT'S TERRIFIC.

I, AND WE CERTAINLY NEED, UM, GOOD QUALITY SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, BEFORE FIRST GRADE PRESCHOOL AND, AND K IT'S, UM, THAT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.

UH, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS, UM, TEACHERS AND HOW MUCH IS, IS IT ADMINISTRATORS? OF THAT 44? THE RATIO IS ABOUT TWO THIRDS, ONE THIRD ADMINISTRATION VERSUS, UH, FACULTY BEING TWO THIRDS FACULTY AND ONE THIRD ADMINISTRATION.

THERE WILL BE A HEAD OF SCHOOL ON SITE.

UM, THERE WILL BE, UH, OPERATIONS FOR PRE-K THROUGH FOURTH GRADE.

AND, AND WE'VE ADDED A NEW COMPONENT TO OUR CURRENT OPERATIONS IN BLUFFTON, WHICH WE WILL REALLY ENHANCE OUT HERE.

AND THAT IS A SPECIAL NEEDS PROGRAM, WHICH WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A GROWING NEED FOR THAT IN ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES AND IT'S NOT BEEN ADDRESSED ADEQUATELY IN YEARS PAST.

SO WE, WE ARE REALLY PLEASED AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT NOW EVEN BEFORE WE GET APPROVAL FROM YOU ALL.

WE HOPE TO GET.

UM, SO THE STAFF IS VERY IMPORTANT.

WE HAVE A VERY LOW STUDENT TEACHER RATIO FOR THAT REASON.

WE HAVE A LARGER STAFF THAN YOU'D NORMALLY EXPECT TO SEE FOR 400 STUDENTS.

AS IT RELATES TO THE TRAFFIC, I THINK, UM, MAYOR HAS POINTED OUT A VERY IMPORTANT POINT FOR US ALL TO BE REMEMBERING THAT IS THAT THIS FACILITY IS NOT A CLASSIC COMMERCIAL

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FACILITY.

IT DOESN'T HAVE HOURS.

IT START AT SEVEN IN THE MORNING AND RUN AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.

WE HAVE STUDENTS THAT COME THERE THAT ARE DROPPED OFF BY PARENTS AND THE PARENTS LEAVE.

WE HAVE FACULTY THAT COMES THERE AND ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF THAT COME TO WORK FOR THE DAY AND LEAVE AT THE END OF THE DAY.

UM, AND THE SAME IS TRUE WHEN WE HAVE WORSHIP SERVICES OR GATHERING SERVICES OR SPECIAL EVENTS.

THEY COME, THEY STAY AND THEY GO.

SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TURNOVER AND WE WILL IN FACT, COMPLY WITH AND DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO EXCEED THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE TOWN STAFF AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES.

UH, AND THAT'S KIND OF OUR RESPONSE TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN CODE AT THIS POINT RELATIVE TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT A SECONDARY ACCESS POINT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MAYOR.

UH, WHILE YOU, WHILE YOU'RE THERE, LET ME ASK YOU A SECOND, UH, QUESTION.

HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, UM, HAVING, UH, PARTICULARLY FOR YOUR 44 STAFF MEMBERS, A, UM, CHILDCARE HAVE, HAVE WE CONSIDERED CHILDCARE? WELL, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IS THAT THE STAFF IN, IN MANY CASES TAKE THE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH THE HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR BECAUSE THE CURRICULUM IS OFFERED TO THE CHILDREN OF THE STAFF AND THE FACULTY.

SO IN MOST CASES, IF THEY HAVE CHILDREN IN THEIR HOUSEHOLDS, THEY END UP AT THE SCHOOL WHERE THEY'RE WORKING.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS YES SIR, WE DO THAT.

NO, I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT.

UM, NOW THE OTHER THING I SAW, WHICH, UH, COULD YOU POINT OUT, IT SAYS IN THE DOCUMENT THAT, UH, FOR THE FUTURE THERE MIGHT BE A 250 SEAT.

JIM, WHERE AND WHEN IS IT ON THIS PLAN? RIGHT THERE? IT'S IN THE CORE OF THE SCHOOL.

RIGHT? IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CAMPUS.

AND IT, AND IT WOULD BE PROBABLY EQUALLY AS WELL DESCRIBED AS A MULTIPURPOSE ROOM SO THAT IT CAN SERVE CHAPEL SERVICES FOR FAMILIES AND PARENTS AND THE STUDENTS AND THE STAFF AND THE FACULTY AND THE ADMINISTRATION FOLKS AND GRANDPARENTS AND GREAT GRANDPARENTS .

SO WHEN THEY COME TOGETHER, THAT WILL BE A PLACE WHERE THEY'LL CONVENE ON THOSE SPECIFIC DAYS, MAYBE ONCE A MONTH OR TWICE A MONTH, WHENEVER THE SCHEDULE, UH, IS, IS ON, ON TAP.

SO IF WE OUTGROW THAT, THAT IS THE ONLY REAL PURPOSE FOR HAVING A SITE HERE OR SITE HERE OR FUTURE EXPANSION IN THESE UPLAND AREAS THAT ARE JUST OPTIONS FOR US FOR FUTURE.

AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO TIMELINE IS, EXCEPT THAT, THAT'S NOT PHASE ONE, NOR IS THAT PHASE ONE.

THIS IS PHASE ONE AND, AND THE REASON THAT IT IS IN THE LOCATION IS IN ITS END IS THAT IT IS THE BULK OF WHERE THE UPLAND AREA IS THAT WE CAN WORK WITH.

WE HAD TO, WE HAD TO PUT IT THERE.

OTHERWISE WE WOULD'VE MOVED IT CLOSER TO THE STREET IN THE OR EAST SERGEANT BOULEVARD IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE INITIAL CAPITAL COST FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO NOW THAT WILL, THAT'S PART OF PHASE ONE.

SO THAT'LL GO IN WHEN YOU DO THE, UH, SCHOOL BUILDINGS ALSO.

ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL HAVE TO GO IN FIRST.

UM, I MADE A NOTE ALSO ABOUT BALL FIELDS.

DO YOU HAVE ANY INTENTION TO PUT BALL FIELDS, UM, YOU KNOW, PLAYGROUNDS, THINGS LIKE THAT? NO.

SO WE DON'T BECAUSE OF THE, UM, THE PROGRAMMED AGE OF THE STUDENT ENROLLMENT FROM PRE-K TO FOURTH GRADE, WHAT THEY NEED IS WELL SUPERVISED RECREATION AREAS, BUT NOT BALL FIELDS.

THEY NEED A PLACE HERE AND HERE AND HERE AND, AND THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY LARGE AREAS FOR EXERCISE AND PLAYGROUND STRUCTURES.

OF, LIKE AT CAR TRACK BECAUSE OF CERTAIN SPECIAL CONDITIONS.

THAT HAVE ALL KINDS OF SAFETY DEVICES AND SAFETY FOUNDATIONS UNDER THEM TOO.

SO, BUT NO BALL FIELDS ARE PLANNED HERE.

GREAT.

I, WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL PLAN.

UH, IT IS, UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE 20 FOOT, AND MAYBE MY MEMORY'S A LITTLE FAULTY.

I THOUGHT WE HAD DISCUSSED MAKING, INCREASING THE BUFFERS TO WETLAND AREAS FROM 25 TO 50.

AND NOW I SEE HERE, UH, 20 FOOT BUFFERS, UH, BEYOND THE WETLANDS .

THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN NO, UM, ORDINANCE CHANGES TO WETLAND BUFFERS.

UM, THERE, IT'S WHAT'S ESTABLISHED, UM, BY THE STATE AND FEDERAL REVIEWERS INVOLVED.

SO 20, WE'VE INCREASED IT IN SOME OF THE PDD DOCUMENTS.

THAT MIGHT BE WHAT YOU'RE THINKING

[02:15:01]

WHAT I'M THINKING IS, REMEMBER I WE DISCUSSED AFTER BLUFFTON CAME OUT WITH INCREASING THEIR, UH, DISTANCE FROM WETLANDS TO, TO STRUCTURE FROM 25 TO 50 FEET.

AND I'LL HAVE TO GET WITH MR. GRUBER TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE WE WERE IN THAT PROCESS, BUT THE ORDINANCE WAS NEVER CHANGED.

SO I, WE, THAT THE ORDINANCE WE DISCUSSED ABOUT HAVING THAT REVIEW MM-HMM .

AND, AND SO NOW I'M NOT, I'M NOT EVEN SEEING 25 FEET.

I'M SEEING 20.

AND, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS THAT AND HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU PRIOR TO SECONDLY.

I, I WOULD LIKE TO, AND I, I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADVANCE THAT CONVERSATION THAT APPARENTLY HAS NOT GONE ANY FURTHER ABOUT REVIEWING THAT ORDINANCE AND INCREASING THE BUFFERS BEYOND THE WETLANDS.

UH, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

UM, AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

DOES ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS IS, UM, 2025 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 10 B.

THE, UM, MASTER PLAN FOR, UH, CROSS SCHOOLS.

MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A, UM, MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ON FIRST READING ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 10 B.

DID YOU WANT ME TO ADD ANY OF THE, I THINK YOU SHOULD ADD THE PROVISOS THAT WERE MENTIONED HERE.

UH, WHICH IS, UM, A SECOND ENTRANCE.

SECOND ENTRANCE.

AND ALSO, UM, THE, THE WETLAND BUFFERS A SECOND.

A RATING.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL OR THE PUBLIC? I JUST HAVE

[PUBLIC HEARING]

ONE.

YOUR CONSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL NEEDS PROGRAM, WHAT IS THAT? WOULD THAT BE TIED IN THROUGH ANY AGENTS, OUTSIDE AGENCIES, OR STRICTLY WITH ON YOUR OWN? WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING THAT ON OUR OWN, AT OUR SITE IN BLUFFTON, AND WE ARE HIRING TRAINED PERSONNEL AND PROFESSIONALS TO DO THAT IN THE HOUSE.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS SORELY NEEDED IN OUR AREA TO TAKE CARE OF THE SPECIAL NEEDS CHILDREN.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UH, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC BEFORE I CALL FOR VOTE? SEEING NONE, UM, I WILL CALL, UH, TAKE A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A INTERNATIONAL INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT WITH THE B-J-W-S-A OUTLINING RESPONSIBILITIES AND OBLIGATIONS OF THE CITY AND B-J-W-S-A REGARDING THE EXPANSION OF SANITARY SEWER SERVICE IN THE EX EXIT EIGHT AND US HIGHWAY 2 78 CORRIDOR.

THAT'S FIRST READING.

SECOND READING WILL BE IN TWO WEEKS.

IS THAT LIGHTNING? YEP.

YES IT IS, SIR.

THAT'S VERY DISTRACTING.

IT COMES THROUGH THE WINDOW.

IT REALLY WILL BE.

UM, EXCUSE ME.

THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER, MATT.

NEXT WE HAVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA CITY COUNCIL

[C. RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT WITH BEAUFORT JASPER WATER SEWER AUTHORITY (“BJWSA”) OUTLINING RESPONSIBILITIES AND OBLIGATIONS OF THE CITY AND BJWSA REGARDING THE EXPANSION OF SANITARY SEWER SERVICE IN THE EXIT 8 AND US HWY 278 CORRIDOR AND MATTERS RELATED THERETO (2025-07-10C)]

UH, THIS IS RESOLUTION 2025 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 10 C.

THIS IS A RESOLUTION.

IT ONLY REQUIRES ONE VOTE.

SO, UH, HAVING SAID THAT, MR. DAVIS, PLEASE YES, SIR.

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN.

UM, MS. MAINS HAD MENTIONED PRE, UH, WITH THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM THAT THIS WOULD BE COMING AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO HER AND LET HER GIVE YOU THE SUMMARY.

SO THAT PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM PROVIDES $200,000 EACH YEAR FOR FIVE YEARS TO BE USED TOWARDS WATER AND SEWER RELATED PROJECTS.

UM, WHAT THIS RESOLUTION DOES IS THIS AUTHORIZES THE EXECUTION OF THE IGA BETWEEN B-J-W-S-A AND THE CITY FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SANITARY SERV.

FEWER SERVICE IN THAT E EXIT EIGHT AND HIGHWAY 2 89 CORRIDOR, OR 2 78 CORRIDOR.

I'M SORRY.

UM, THE COST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ESTIMATED TO BE APPROXIMATELY $5.9 MILLION.

THE CITY HAS WORKED WITH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARTNERS TO FUND THIS PROJECT, INCLUDING BE INCLUDING BEING AWARDED A $1 MILLION RURAL INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT.

B-J-W-S-A IS GOING TO CONTRIBUTE $500,000 TOWARDS THIS PROJECT WILL BE, WHICH WILL BE THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF THE FIVE YEAR $1 MILLION COMMITMENT, WHICH WOULD, IS PURSUANT TO THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM, WHICH YOU APPROVED WITH THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM.

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SO YOU'RE GETTING THE FIRST TWO YEARS PLUS AN ADDITIONAL A HUNDRED THOUSAND, UM, FOR THIS EXIT EIGHT PROJECT.

PURSUANT TO THIS IGA, UM, AND BJW SSA'S BOARD DID APPROVE THE IGA AT THEIR JUNE 30TH BOARD MEETING.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, LET'S START WITH, UH, MR. CARROLL THIS TIME.

I THINK IT'S EXPLAINED, MR. MAYOR.

UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS 'CAUSE I'M SURE THEY WENT THROUGH THIS, UM, BEFORE IT WAS PRESENTED TO US.

SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

MR. WHITE.

NO QUESTIONS.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO POSE TO THE COUNCIL.

MR. MESMAN, NO QUESTIONS.

I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

WE'VE, UH, DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE, AND, UH, SO I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS, UH, ABOUT OUR AGREEMENTS.

SO AT THIS TIME, I WOULD OFFER TO THE PUBLIC

[PUBLIC COMMENT]

SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO RESOLUTION.

2025 DASH OH SEVEN DASH 10 C.

MR. MAYOR, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 2025 DASH SEVEN DASH 10 C.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

FIRST OF ALL, AGAIN, THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR, UH, A LITTLE BRIEF, UH, INTERRUPTION THERE, BUT BETTER TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION.

THAT'S PASSED.

UM, NEXT WE HAVE THE DEPUTY MANAGER'S REPORT.

MR. DAVIS, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM,

[X. MANAGER’S REPORT]

UH, SO THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT.

UM, I DID WANT TO TAKE A, JUST A COUPLE ITEMS. UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA CONGRATULATE OUR WHOLE PARKS RECREATION TOURISM TEAM FOR A VERY SUCCESSFUL FOURTH OFF MAINE, UH, THIS YEAR.

CERTAINLY DIFFERENT WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY OCCURRING IN THE RICHARD GRAY COMPLEX.

I THOUGHT THEY DID A GREAT JOB KIND OF MOVING THINGS AROUND AND ADAPTING THIS YEAR AND BEING FLEXIBLE AND IT STILL CAME OFF VERY WELL.

SO KUDOS TO THEM FOR THAT.

THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT EVENT, AS IT ALWAYS IS.

UM, I DID WANNA ALSO SHARE SOME INFORMATION THAT CAME TO ME FROM, UM, UM, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE BEAUFORT JASPER HOUSING TRUST.

I JUST THOUGHT THIS WAS INTERESTING.

UM, THERE'S CERTAINLY A LOT OF DEBATE, BOTH PRO AND CON ABOUT THE RECENT SPENDING BILL PASSED AT THIS, AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, BUT THERE WERE SOME GOOD THINGS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THAT BILL AND, UM, HE HAD, UH, KIND OF OUTLINED THEM FOR US.

I JUST WANNA SHARE IT REAL QUICKLY JUST 'CAUSE I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT.

THE LOW INCOME, UH, HOUSING TAX CREDIT WAS EXPANDED BY 12.5% BEGINNING NEXT YEAR.

AND THAT MEANS MORE EQUITY WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UM, AND A LOT OF FOLKS ARE SAYING THAT THAT MEANS THAT THAT SINGLE ACTION COULD, COULD CREATE ANOTHER 1 MILLION HOUSING UNITS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

UM, IT'S A BIG DEAL.

UM, ALSO THE, UH, BOND SPENDING THRESHOLD AND TAX EXEMPT BOND TRANSACTIONS HAS BEEN LOWERED, AND THAT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL TAX CREDITS TO EVERY PROJECT FINANCED WITH BONDS.

UM, SO TAX EXEMPT BOND PROJECTS DO NOT HAVE THE SAME COMPETITIVE REQUIREMENTS AS THOSE NORMAL LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT HOW SOMETIMES THE MORE RURAL AREAS HAVE A HARD TIME COMPETING AND THAT ALSO TAKES EFFECT IN 2026.

AND THEN FINALLY, THE BILL ALSO, UM, ELIMINATES THE SUNSET PROVISION FOR OPPORTUNITY ZONES AND MAKES THE PROGRAM PERMANENT FOR ANOTHER 10 YEARS.

AND THAT'S IMPORTANT.

'CAUSE HERE IN THE LOW COUNTRY, WE HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY ZONES, SO FOR 10 MORE YEARS THAT THEY'LL BE IN PLACE.

SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL GOOD NEWS.

AND THEN A COUPLE OTHER THINGS RELATED TO HOUSING AS WELL.

UH, I BELIEVE JUST YESTERDAY, THE FEDERAL HOUSING FINANCE AGENCY, UM, HAS SAID THAT, UH, RENTAL CONSISTENT RENTAL PAYMENTS, UM, THAT TRACK RECORD CAN BE USED TO ESTABLISH CREDIT, UM, WHEN, WHEN APPLYING FOR MORTGAGES, UM, CURRENTLY LIKE FICO SCORES THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DEPEND ON FOR THEIR CREDIT SCORES, THEY DO NOT TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

UM, WE ALL KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF EXAMPLES WHERE PEOPLE PAY WAY MORE IN RENT IF THEY WOULD IN MORTGAGE, BUT THEY CAN'T, IT DOESN'T MATTER, LIKE TO, TO THE FICO FOLKS.

SO ANYWAY, THAT'S A CHANGE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ALLOWED WITH FHA LOANS FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS, BUT THIS COULD OPEN IT UP TO OTHER LENDERS AS WELL.

SO THAT, THAT'S A BIG, BIG STEP FOR, UM, FOR HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND, AND QUALIFYING.

AND THEN FINALLY, ANOTHER BIT OF GOOD NEWS AS WELL.

MORTGAGE APPLICATIONS WERE UP, UM, WERE UP IN JUNE OF 25 OVER A YEAR AGO IN JUNE OF 24.

SO THAT'S A GOOD SIGN AS WELL.

IT DOESN'T MEAN APPROVED APPLICATIONS, BUT IT DOES MEAN THAT THERE WERE MORE APPLICATIONS.

SO THAT MEANS THE HOUSING MARKET IS STARTING TO MOVE A LITTLE MORE AGAIN.

AND THEN FINALLY, I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT THE END OF NEXT WEEK, THURSDAY AND FRIDAY, THE ING COUNCIL AND CERTAIN MEMBERS OF STAFF WILL BE ATTENDING THE

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ANNUAL MEETING OF THE MUNICIPAL ASSOCIATION OF SOUTH CAROLINA AND HILTON HEAD.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SIR.

THANK YOU MR. DAVIS.

UH, LET'S GO ALPHABETICALLY AND START WITH MR. CARROLL.

[XI. COUNCIL ISSUES AND CONCERNS]

NO, SIR, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY COMMENTS THIS TIME.

UH, THEN WE WILL GO TO MRS. GUZMAN.

NO COMMENTS.

UH, MR. AMMAN.

UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO, UH, THANK MR. DAVIS FOR STEPPING IN.

UH, HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB.

UM, TODAY WITH OUR JOINT MEETING WITH JASPER COUNTY, WE TOOK A MAJOR STEP IN COOPERATION TO NOT ONLY IMPROVE SERVICES FOR THE RESIDENTS OF HARDY V BUT ALL OF JASPER COUNTY.

AND OUR ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO HAVE THE BEST SERVICES AVAILABLE AT THE BEST COST PER RESIDENT TO DO.

IT'S A BIG ASK.

UM, BUT WE STARTED THAT STEP TODAY.

UM, SOME STAFF, WE WERE GIVEN INSTRUCTIONS FOR 30 DAYS TO COME BACK WITH ANSWERS.

AND I, I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE FUTURE MEETINGS THAT, UH, WE ARE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO SEE RESULTS.

IT WILL HAPPEN.

UM, AND THANK YOU MAYOR FOR SPEARHEADING THIS, AND THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU MR. WHITE.

NO COMMENTS.

OKAY, SO LAST MEETING I HAD NO COMMENTS 'CAUSE IT WAS A LONG MEETING, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BEAR WITH ME.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA ECHO, UH, WHAT MR. DAVIS SAID.

AND, AND CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR PARKS AND REC TEAM.

THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE BEST.

THEY DO A WONDERFUL JOB.

AND FOURTH ON MAIN WAS A, A TERRIFIC AS ALWAYS.

UH, ON THE 20TH OF JUNE, UM, UH, LENNAR GAVE AWAY A HOME TO, UH, IN, UH, COOPERATION WITH OP, UH, OPERATION PA PATRIOT.

UM, AND THIS WAS A VETERAN WHO WAS GIVEN A HOME, AND IT WAS, IT WAS WONDERFUL TO SEE.

AND I WANT TO THANK LENNAR FOR DOING THAT.

UM, ON THE 21ST, UM, THE MRS. GUZMAN AND HER STAFF HAD A, UM, HURRICANE, UH, INFORMATION PREPAREDNESS, UH, AT, UH, MARGARITAVILLE.

AND THEY DID A NICE JOB WITH THAT AND THANKS ALL THE STAFF WHO PARTICIPATED.

UM, AND SPEAKING OF, UH, HURRICANE AT SO LOKO, UM, UH, NEIL BAXLEY AND JOEY ROW AND RUSTY WELLS, ALL COMBINED TO GIVE THE, UM, SO LOCO BOARD, WHICH IS, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS AND ADMINISTRATORS, UH, AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITIES WERE, OUR, DURING THE COURSE OF A HURRICANE, IN ADDITION TO SOME PREPAREDNESS TIPS.

BUT IT WAS REALLY A GOOD, UM, A GOOD REFRESHER ON WHAT WE AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE DURING A, UH, HURRICANE EVENT.

UH, I HAVE HAVEN'T TOLD MY WIFE THAT I HAVE TO STAY AND SHE HAS TO EVACUATE.

SHE KNOW.

THEIR AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM.

UM, THE, UH, OKAY, I ALREADY BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE, UH, 50 FOOT BUFFER CHANGE.

PLEASE, LET'S FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT.

UM, THE, ON THE 26TH, UH, USCB HELD A PUBLIC, UH, HEARING OR MEETING, UH, ABOUT THEIR PLANS FOR NEW BALL FIELDS AND THE NEW, UM, CONVOCATION CENTER, I THINK THEY'RE CALLING IT, UH, ON THAT CAMPUS.

AND SO IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE.

UM, AND I WISH THEM ALL SUCCESS IN GETTING THAT GOING.

I THINK IT'LL BE A, A REALLY, A GREAT ADDITION TO A, UH, A REALLY GOOD SCHOOL.

UH, ON THE FIRST, UM, DANIEL AND JESS AND I, WE INTERVIEWED HARDY GREENS AROUND THE CORNER AS OUR NEXT INSTALLMENT OF THE SHOP LOCAL PROGRAM THAT WE, UH, BEGAN LAST YEAR.

AND, UM, JESS AND DANIEL WERE PHENOMENAL, BUT, AND THAT, THAT, UM, FACILITY, UH, IS REALLY SOMETHING, REALLY SOMETHING TO SEE.

AND WE WISH 'EM A LOT OF LUCK.

I I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GO TO AGAPE.

UH, THEY HAVE, UH, WENT WITH JUAN.

JUAN DID A LITTLE INTERVIEW DOWN THERE, UM,

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THEY HAVE A LITTLE, UM, DISPLAY OF WHAT, UH, THE, THE KIDS MADE OF, OF THEIR VERSION OF HARDY.

IT'S, THEY, THERE'S SOME GREAT ARTWORK.

THERE WAS SOME TALENTED KIDS DOWN THERE.

SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO DOWN THERE AND SEE WHAT THEY DID.

UM, NAS IS A NEW, UM, DELI IN RIVER WALK THAT'S, UH, UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY.

AND THEY ACTUALLY HAD TWO GRAND OPENINGS OF WHICH I WENT TO BOTH ONE TODAY AND ONE THE SECOND WITH TWO DIFFERENT, UM, CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE.

UH, BUT THEY, THEY HAVE REALLY GOOD BAGELS.

AND BEING FROM NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY, IT TAKES A LOT TO IMPRESS ME WITH A BAGEL.

UM, THEY, UH, THEY DID A GREAT JOB.

UM, CONGRATULATIONS TO LUNA.

WE WERE ALL THERE AND RETIRED, UM, LUNA, AND WE WISH HER WELL.

UM, AND OF COURSE WE HAD YESTERDAY THE MEMORIAL PARK, WHICH I THINK IS JUST SOMETHING I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE.

THAT'S A, A GREAT THING.

UM, AS, UH, UH, STEVE MENTIONED THE JOINT MEETING TODAY WAS A GREAT FIRST STEP INTO WHAT I BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE, UM, A GREAT NEW ERA OF COOPERATION BETWEEN NOT JUST HARDY V AND JASPER COUNTY, BUT HARDY V RIDGELAND AND JASPER COUNTY.

UM, THERE IS A, UM, EVERYBODY RECEIVED AN INVITATION TO HEAR THE SURVEY THAT WAS DONE BY THE HILTON HEAD REALTORS ASSOCIATION.

UH, AND IT'S ENTITLED A GROWTH SURVEY.

AND, AND BASICALLY WHAT IT WAS, WAS A POLL TO HEAR WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT THEY FEEL ABOUT THE GROWTH THAT'S TAKEN PLACE IN THE AREA.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RESULTS ARE.

I HEAR IT'S GONNA BE A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION.

UM, AND IT'S, I THINK ANYTIME WE HEAR WHAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO SAY IS A GOOD THING.

SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY FROM THE CITY TO, UM, MAKE A RESERVATION AND GO TO THAT.

IT'S FREE.

UM, BUT THERE IS, UM, THEY, THEY ASK THAT YOU ARE SVP.

SO, UH, PLEASE ATTEND IF YOU CAN.

AND THAT IS THE END OF MY REPORT.

THAT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, SHORT, IT WAS SHORT.

IT WAS SHORT.

AND CONSIDERING IT REALLY WAS FOR TWO, THAT'S NOT SO BAD.

UM, SO AT THIS POINT, I KNOW YOU'RE ALL SAD TO HEAR THIS, BUT I WILL ENTERTAIN A, A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

MOTION TO ADJOURN.

A MOTION A SECOND.