* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS REGULAR MEETING OF VILLE PLANNING COMMISSION, JULY 9TH, 2025 TO ORDER [I. CALL TO ORDER] MR. FOREMAN, IF YOU WOULD, [II. INVOCATION & PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] GOD THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY AND THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. PLEASE WATCH OVER US AND HELP US TO DELIBERATE AND ACT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE OF HARDY AND GOD BLESS AMERICA. FLAG THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC WHICH SENDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY. JUSTICE FOR. THANK YOU, JEFF. OKAY. APPROVE OF THE AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANY AYE, MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. I SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION TO, TO, TO APPROVE THE AGENDA IN [III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA] A SECOND. DO I HEAR? ALL IN FAVOR? A. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED, CARRIED PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT'S [IV. PUBLIC COMMENT] ON THE AGENDA TODAY. SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ALONG ALL BUSINESS [V. OLD BUSINESS] APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM JUNE 11TH, 2025. [A. MINUTES FROM JUNE 11, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING] PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 11TH, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. I SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM JUNE 11TH, 2025. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? GET OUTTA HERE. NO TIME. OKAY. NEW BUSINESS CONSIDERATION OF A ZONING [VI. NEW BUSINESS] MAP AMENDMENT FOR PASO. 0 4 1 DASH ZERO ZERO DASH [A. CONSIDERATION OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR PARCEL 041-00-03-029 LOCATED ON BRICKYARD ROAD FROM RESIDENTIAL IN UNICORPORATED JASPER COUNTY TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL IN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE (+/-1.6 ACRES)] ZERO THREE DASH 0 2 9 LOCATED ON BRICKYARD ROAD FROM RESIDENTIAL IN UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL IN THE CITY OF HOTVILLE, APPROXIMATELY 1.6 ACRES PUBLIC COMMENT. HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING TODAY? DOING GOOD. DOING GOOD. YOU GET ME THIS MORNING. UM, SO WE'RE HERE TODAY TO LOOK AT A ZONING MAP, AMENDMENT AND PETITION FOR ANNEXATION FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED OFF OF BRICKYARD ROAD. UM, THE PARCEL IS LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF JOHN SMITH ROAD IN INDEPENDENCE BOULEVARD WITH ACCESS LOCATED OFF OF BRICKYARD. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING APPROVAL OF AN ANNEXATION, UM, AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM RURAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL WITHIN THE CITY OF HARDY . CHRIS STRUGGLES WITH, I DO, I STRUGGLE WITH THAT WORD. UM, AND THEN HERE YOU CAN SEE THE, WHERE THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED IS THE PLAT THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2008. UM, AND THEN HERE'S LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A SETTING. YOU HAVE, UM, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT UP HERE, THIS PORTION OF, UM, WEST ARGENT PDD, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE REST OF THE PROPERTIES AROUND ARE ALL ZONE GENERAL COMMERCIAL. UM, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? GO AHEAD. NO, GO AHEAD. UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO ANNEX THIS PROPERTY INTO THE CITY TO KIND OF FILL A DONUT HOLE AND ALLOW BETTER ACCESS TO THESE TWO PARCELS BACK HERE, THESE TWO PARCELS. UM, THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY HERE OWNS THESE BACK TWO PARCELS AS WELL, SO IT WOULD ALLOW ACCESS TO BOTH OF THESE PROPERTIES. UM, AND THEN HERE'S JUST A VIEW OF IT'S WOODED, MOSTLY PINE, WELL ACTUALLY IT'S ALL PINE OUT THERE. UM, AND THIS LOOK DOWN BRICKYARD ROAD FROM FOUR CORNER BUILDING SUPPLY. AND THEN NOW THE ANALYSIS THE SITE'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. THE PARCEL IS LARGELY SURROUNDED BY GENERAL COMMERCIAL AS YOU CAN SEE. UM, THIS APPLICATION'S BEING REVIEWED BY CITY COUNCIL WITH PETITION FOR ANNEXATION. THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO FILL IN THOSE DONUT HOLES THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY. UM, THE APPLICANT ALSO OWNS, AS I SAID, THE ADJACENT PARCELS THAT ARE OUT THERE. AND THEN THE NE THE PRO NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND AN APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL. THEN CITY COUNCIL WILL TAKE A LOOK AT IN CONSIDERATION IN CONSIDER APPROVAL, UM, BASED ON THE HARDY MUNICIPAL ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMP PLAN. STAFF SUGGEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED REZONING TO CITY COUNCIL. UM, WE HAD ONE ADJACENT, UM, PROPERTY OWNER DID REACH OUT. THEY HAD NO CONCERNS AND JASPER COUNTY IS AWARE OF THIS ANNEXATION AND THEY HAVE NO COMMENT AT THIS TIME EITHER. SO AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA BRING CONNOR UP HERE FROM WARD EDWARDS. [00:05:01] DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? GOOD MORNING. HEY, GOOD MORNING Y'ALL. IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU. CONNOR BLANEY WITH WARD EDWARDS ENGINEERING. CHRIS, THANK YOU FOR THE, UH, SUMMARY AND INTRODUCTION. YOU'RE WELCOME. UM, AS CHRIS SUMMARIZED, UH, SAME PROPERTY OWNER, IT IS JUST A HOLE IN THE ZONING. HE'S, UH, CURRENTLY THE OWNER OF A LOCAL VETERINARY CLINIC AND HE'S LOOKING TO HOPEFULLY PUT A, A VET CLINIC ON ONE OF THOSE REAR PARCELS, BUT TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT AND HAVE CONSISTENT ZONING AND HAVE CITY STAFF BE ABLE TO REVIEW THE ACCESS TO DEVELOP THAT REAR PARCEL IS LOOKING TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY OF HARVILLE WITH THE EXACT SAME ZONING. SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT WAS, UH, KEN GONE, GONE, , EVERYBODY DOES IT. I GET IT. THAT GUY DOWN THERE THAT GOT YEAH. THE GUY AT THE END. YEAH. DONE. GOOD MORNING. UM, COUPLE QUESTIONS I HAVE, UM, AND I'M GLAD YOU TOLD ME HE'S LOOKING TO PUT A VETERINARY CLINIC THERE. UM, IS THERE A PLAN TO COMBINE THE LOTS INTO ONE LOT OR, UM, NOT AT THIS TIME. OKAY. HOWEVER, CONSISTENT ZONING ALL UNDER THE, THE CITY OF VILLE WOULD ALLOW FLEXIBILITY FOR THAT. PROPOSED VETERINARY AND CLINIC WOULD NOT NEED ALL OF THOSE ACRES COMBINED. SO IT WOULD ALLOW FLEXIBILITY TO CARVE SOMETHING OUT AND THEN POSSIBLY EXPAND, UM, WITH ANOTHER VETERINARY CLINIC BECAUSE HE'S THE OWNER OF BOTH A SMALL ANIMAL AND LARGE ANIMAL VETERINARY CLINIC. SO, UM, BUT CURRENTLY NOT AT THIS TIME. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE THAT IT, UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT SEEMED, I MEAN THE ENTIRE AREA IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL. IT'S RIGHT THERE IN LINE WITH WHERE WE'RE LOOKING FOR. UM, SAME THING. MY MY QUESTION WAS THE VETERINARY CLINICS. THAT'S GREAT. SEEMS LIKE THOSE ARE GOING UP. OBVIOUSLY THE NEED IS THERE. UM, MY, I GUESS MY ONLY, THE PARTIAL DIRECTLY, I DON'T KNOW MY CARDINAL UH, SOUTH TO THE, UM, ONE THAT THEY CURRENT OR THEY CURRENTLY OWN. IS THERE A SHARED EASEMENT FOR THAT PROPERTY TO GET THROUGH THE OTHER, THROUGH THE OWNERS? DO YOU KNOW? OR DO THEY ACCESS IT A DIFFERENT WAY? I CAN ANSWER THAT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE DOWN HERE? NOPE. UP, UP ONE RIGHT ABOVE IT? YEAH. THE ONE RIGHT ABOVE IT. UM, IT, IT, THIS ONE IT HAS THE FRONTAGE ON BRICKYARD DOWN TO THE SOUTH, UM, DOWN THERE. OKAY. IT'S HARD TO TELL 'EM THE YEAH. ON THE PICTURE WHERE THE YEAH. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT ONE TYPICALLY WHEN THEY FIRST CAME IN WITH THE ZONING BACK IN 2008, THAT'S WHERE THAT, THAT ENTRANCE WAS GONNA GO. OKAY. UM, I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE ARE ANY DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR IT, BUT THEY DO HAVE OPTIONS. OKAY. UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU MR. FOREMAN. UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO CHRIS FOR, UH, CHECKING WITH THE COUNTY AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS CONCERNED EVERY TIME ONE OF THESE COME UP AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE INITIATIVE ON THAT. THANK YOU. WELCOME. OKAY, I I, I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. THIS PIECE UP HERE, IS THAT LATITUDE LAKES WEST? NO, NO, THAT IS THE ORIGINAL ARGENT WEST COMMERCIAL AREA. SO THAT'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ALSO? YES. ALRIGHT. SO THIS IS WHERE THE FOUR CORNERS, FOUR CORNERS SUPPLY. FOUR CORNERS? NO. OKAY. SO THE, THE, IS THIS IN THE SAME AREA THAT THEY WERE GONNA BUILD A VETERINARY HOSPITAL? A SURGICAL HOSPITAL? SAME. SAME, SAME PROJECT. SAME PROJECT. OKAY. THEY JUST NEED THAT ACCESS. OKAY. THAT'S, I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC. OKAY. SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, UH, 0 4 1 0 0 0 3 0 2 9. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSIDERATION OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR PARCEL 0 4 1 DASH ZERO ZERO DASH ZERO THREE DASH 0 2 9. LOCATED ON BRICKYARD ROAD FROM RESIDENTIAL AND UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL IN THE CITY OF HARVILLE. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? PASSED. YOU GOOD TO GO? THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU. LATER. OKAY. PUT THAT ONE THERE. NOW COME, NOW COMES THE FUN PART. YEAH. YOU GET KATIE, WHAT YOU GET BRAND A KATIE. OH, . NOW THIS WAS A REQUEST BY [00:10:01] THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO, UM, WE, AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, I, WE DID SOME RESEARCH ON THE ADJACENT, UM, JURISDICTIONS AND WHAT THEY DO FOR PUBLIC NOTICE. AND SO, UM, WE'RE MOST CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON AT THIS TIME. UM, AND CITY OF BEAUFORT AND PORT ROYAL DON'T HAVE ANY REQUIREMENTS. UM, BEAUFORT AND JASPER, UM, COUNTY DO 500 FEET. UM, SO ALL OF THE NEWSPAPER AND SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS ARE I IDENTICAL. UM, THROUGHOUT THE REST OF 'EM. AS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, I DID REQUEST, UM, FEEDBACK FROM PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, WHICH, UM, WE TOOK TO MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION. UM, SO WE, THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED, UM, RANGED FROM 300 FEET TO 1000 FEET. UM, A COMBINATION OF CERTIFIED MALE AND STANDARD MALE, UM, AND ANYWHERE FROM 14, OR SORRY, SEVEN DAYS TO, UM, 21 DAYS AHEAD OF THE MEETING. SO WHAT WE DID WITH SORRY, IS, UM, WE WENT AHEAD AND REDLINED THE CURRENT ORDINANCE AND, UM, WE UPDATED IT TO, BASED ON, UM, THE FEEDBACK WE UPDATED IT TO BE INSTEAD OF ADJACENT PARCELS. CHRIS, CAN YOU PULL UP THE RED LINE? I'M SORRY. I DO HAVE THE PDF THERE. UM, SO ADJACENT PARCELS, UM, WE STRUCK THAT AND THEN WE, UM, DID WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND YEAH, IT'S IN A PDF, IT'S, IF YOU GO TO THE INTERNET ONE, SORRY, SORRY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, INSTEAD OF SEVEN DAYS, I, WE STRUCK THAT AND WE HAVE 14 DAYS BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, AS OUR SUGGESTION, UM, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM Y'ALL. SO AT THIS TIME, UM, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. TALBOT. OKAY. UM, SORRY, SORRY. SO WE WENT WITH 500 FEET. IS THAT THE, IS THAT THE CONSENSUS LEFT? WE HAD THREE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR 500 FEET. ONE FOR 301 FOR 1000. SO WE WENT WITH THE, OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR THE 500 BECAUSE WE HAD THREE OUT OF THE FIVE. UM, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY UP TO Y'ALL. OKAY. SO, AND WE UPPED IT THE SEVEN DAYS TO 15 TO, UM, WE DID 14. 14. WE HAD THREE RECOMMEND 14, UM, ONE RECOMMEND 15 AND ONE RECOMMEND 21 AND SEVEN DAYS, TWO SEPARATE NOTIFICATIONS. OKAY. SO THE 14 DAYS IS PRIOR TO PLANNING COMMISSION. PLANNING COMMISSION, MM-HMM . AS IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW. OKAY. AND THEN 14 DAYS PRIOR TO PUBLIC HEARING, IT WOULD BE THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN OUT, IT WOULD COME OUT BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION IS WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS. OKAY. ALL DAY. SO, AND IT WOULD HAVE THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING DATE IN THAT LETTER, SO IT WOULD HAVE BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION DATE AND FIRST PUBLIC HEARING DATE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DAWN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, , JUST FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, WE TALK ABOUT 14 DAYS. ARE WE 14 CALENDAR DAYS OR 14 BUSINESS DAYS? 14 CALENDAR DAYS. I, I THINK WE SHOULD SPECIFY THAT. I CAN, I CAN ADD THAT LANGUAGE JUST SO IT'S CLEARER. THAT'S ALL. THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. YEAH. UM, WHAT WAS THE DISCUSSION WITH REGARD TO US MAIL OR CERTIFIED MAIL? UM, SO WE HAD, WE HAD TWO, UM, SUGGEST CERTIFIED, TWO SUGGEST STANDARD AND ONE DID NOT SPECIFY. UM, THE REASON THAT THAT HAS COME UP IS BECAUSE WE SEE, BRANDON AND I HAVE NOTICED, UM, THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS, UM, SINCE WE HAVE UPDATED EVEN JUST TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, THE RURAL AREAS DO NOT TEND TO PICK UP THOSE CERTIFIED LETTERS OR THEY TEND TO WAIT TO PICK THEM UP UNTIL A LATER DATE WHEN, UM, I CAN SAY WHEN HILTON HEAD, LAKE WEST NOTIFICATIONS WENT OUT, THEY WERE VERY SLOW TO GET PICKED UP. WHEN CROSS IMP WENT OUT SURROUNDED BY SUN CITY, THEY WERE PICKED UP WITHIN A DAY. I, I GOT THE, I GOT [00:15:01] THE SCAN THAT THEY WERE SENT OUT AND THE NEXT DAY I STARTED GETTING PHONE CALLS. SO WE'RE SEEING JUST DEPENDENT ON THE POPULATION, UM, AND THE SAME THING HAS HAPPENED IN SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY. UM, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE IN WHATEVER WE DECIDE. SO THAT'S PART OF WHY, UM, THAT CAME UP. I ACTUALLY THINK THAT, UH, REGULAR US POSTAGE IS, IS A BETTER DELIVERY SYSTEM FOR THE REASON YOU MENTIONED. AND BY THE WAY, I MEAN, IN MY FORMER LIFE I WAS INVOLVED IN A LOT OF NOTIFICATIONS. THEY DON'T PICK 'EM UP IN THE CITIES EITHER. , SO. WELL, I CAN TELL YOU WE HAVE A VERY ENGAGED POPULATION IN MOST OF OUR RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES. BUT I I, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING OUTSIDE OF THAT, IT MAY BE THE SAME WAY. IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET THE POST OFFICE. YEAH. YES. I, AND I THINK, UM, I THINK EVEN LANDON TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN YOU WORK A FULL-TIME JOB, ESPECIALLY IF YOU DON'T WORK IN THE SAME TOWN AS THE POST OFFICE, IT'S HARD TO GET THERE. SO YEAH. UM, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT ISN'T IN HERE THAT I WAS INTERESTED IN GIVING PEOPLE'S OPINION ABOUT, AND I THINK I MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS THAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, WHETHER WE CERTIFIED OR OR FIRST CLASS POSTAGE OR WHATEVER IT IS, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO SAY THEY DIDN'T GET THE LETTER MM-HMM . AND UM, I THINK YOU CAN COUNT ON THAT. THAT'S LIKE A SYLLOGISM YOU, YOU SEND OUT MAIL, SOMEBODY WILL CLAIM THEY DIDN'T GET IT. AND I WONDER IF WE, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHT WAS THAT WE MIGHT INCLUDE A PROVISION THAT REQUIRED A DEVELOPER TO SUBMIT, ASSIGNED ESSENTIALLY AN AFFIDAVIT SAYING THAT THEY HAD SENT THE, THE, UH, NOTICE OUT AND COMPLIED WITH THIS. THAT'S SIMPLE ENOUGH. WE CAN ADD THAT. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK IT WOULD MAKE OUR RECORDS BASICALLY HAVE IT THROUGH OUR, WITH THEM SENDING US THE SCANS AND EVERYTHING, BUT THE CONFIRMATION OF OF THE SIGNATURE WOULD BE GREAT. YES, WE CAN ADD THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, ISN'T IT? UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. UM, THE 14 DAYS IS BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION. IS IT ALSO BEFORE THE FIRST READING FOR CITY COUNCIL? IT'S ONLY BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION AND IT WOULD HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT CITY COUNCIL, UM, IN THAT LETTER. SO, WHICH FOUR DAYS AT LEAST? YEAH, BEFORE THE FIRST READING. OKAY. SO JUST ONE PIECE OF MAIL THAT GOES OUT OUTLINING BOTH? YES. OKAY. SO IF IT CHANGES, WE WOULD HAVE THEM RESEND IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. MM-HMM . OKAY. UM, I DO AGREE CERTIFIED MAIL NOT A GREAT OPTION WHEN THE POST OFFICE CLOSE CLOSES AT FOUR 30 ON MONDAY, TUESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY, I BELIEVE IT'S CLOSED WEDNESDAY AND SATURDAY IT'S OPEN FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF FIND, I FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO GET CERTIFIED MAIL, UM, UNLESS I, I TAKE OFF WORK TO, TO GO THERE AND NO ONE LIKES GETTING CERTIFIED MAIL BY ANY MEANS. UM, ON THAT NOTE, WE HAVE IN WITH OUR CITY RESIDENTS, WE HAVE AND COUNTY, WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT POST OFFICES REALLY RIGHT. RIDGELAND, RIDGELAND AND, UM, HARDY. AND IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE. AGREED. HOW DO YOU KNOW WHICH ONE IT GOES TO? . SO I BELIEVE THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD NEWS THERE. UM, I DO WANT TO JUST GO ON THE RECORD. I DID RECOMMEND A THOUSAND FEET, UM, ONLY, UH, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THAT PARTIAL, WHATEVER THAT DEVELOPMENT MAY BE, MAY IMPACT SOMETHING GREATER THAN JUST THAT 500 FEET. SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S GREAT. I HOPE SO. I'M HAPPY THAT WE'RE PUTTING PROVISION TO ADD THAT VERSUS JUST ADJACENT PROPERTIES. I WILL CONCEDE WITH THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION OR THE, THE CENSUS OF THE, THE COUNCIL ON THAT OR THE COMMISSION ON THAT. UM, BUT, UH, BUT YEAH, OTHER THAN THAT, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I HAD SUGGESTED A THOUSAND FEET, SO, OKAY. I I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COPY OF THE LETTER IN THE PACKET. OKAY. SO THAT IF SOMEONE'S HERE, I CAN SAY, WELL, HERE'S THE LETTER THAT WENT OUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE AND HERE'S THE DATE AND IT'S SIGNED. UM, I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO US. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, I'M STILL NOT SURE THAT I'M HAPPY WITHOUT CERTIFIED MAIL. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. BUT THERE ARE WAYS CERTIFIED MAIL, WE, WE KNOW THAT THEY PICKED IT UP OR, OR THEY DIDN'T US MAIL. WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING. NO, NO NORMAL MAIL. WE CAN, I MEAN THAT'S THE ONLY THING I I THINK THAT I, I I'M GONNA GO BACK TO WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO, WHAT THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUIRED TO DO, UM, AND THE VARIOUS MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE. I WILL SAY I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 27 YEARS. UM, CAN'T BELIEVE I JUST SAID THAT OUT LOUD. , I'VE BEEN THIS FOR 27 YEARS. THERE IS NO PERFECT WAY TO DO IT. YOU ARE GOING TO [00:20:01] HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA COME TO YOU, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, AND SAY, I DIDN'T GET IT. EVEN IF THEY DID GET IT, WE ALWAYS ARE GONNA HAVE IT. JUST LIKE THE SIGNS. I WILL TELL YOU, 90% OF THE TIME OUR SIGNS GET TAKEN RIGHT AFTER WE PUT 'EM UP OR THEY GET BLOWN DOWN OR THEY DISAPPEAR OR SOMEBODY WANTS TO PLAY WITH IT OR THINKS IT'S COOL. I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT, UM, IT'S THE SAME THING WITH, WITH POSTING IT. THE STATE HAS LEGAL REQUIREMENTS AND WE ARE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THOSE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS. I DON'T THINK WE CAN, I THINK DON'T THINK THE CERTIFIED MAKES THAT DIFFERENCE. I THINK IS IF WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR COMMUNITY AND SEEING WHAT WORKS BEST, WE CAN TRY IT. WE CAN TRY NOT, UH, FIRST CLASS MAIL US MAIL, SEE HOW IT WORKS. WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND REVISE IT AND ADD CERTIFIED AGAIN IF, IF, WELL, I MEAN, I'M, I'M, I'M HA I'M JUST, I DON'T KNOW. UM, I'LL GO WITH THE, WITH THE MAJORITY, BUT, UH, I WAS JUST CONCERNED HOW, HOW DO WE, HOW CAN, HOW CAN, HOW DO WE KNOW WE GONNA KNOW WE HAVE TO TRUST SO WE'RE NOT GONNA KNOW EITHER WAY. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. ONE, ONE COMMENT ON THAT. SO THERE IS A WAY, IF THEY'RE USING METERED MAIL, YOU GET COPIES OF WHEN THAT GOES THROUGH THE MAIL, NOT NECESSARILY WHEN IT'S DELIVERED, BUT YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHEN IT GOT DELIVERED. SO AS SOMEONE THAT'S DONE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MAILINGS IN MY LINE OF WORK, THERE IS WAYS TO DO THAT. I'M ASSUMING THAT THESE DEVELOPERS ARE BIG ENOUGH WHERE THEY'RE NOT USING A REGULAR POSTAGE STAMP, THAT THEY'RE USING A METER. I THINK WHEN YOU GET THOSE, THOSE SCANS THAT WE GET, YOU'LL SEE HOW IT'S GONE OUT. YOU'LL SEE THAT IT WAS MAILED. OKAY. I, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE IN, IN VERY GOOD. UH, MORE COMFORTED SEEING THOSE SCANS LIKE WE GET TO SEE 'EM. IF, IF THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET, THEN I'LL BE HAPPY. AND DON'T, AND DON'T FORGET IF WE ADD THE SECTION WHERE PEOPLE ARE ESSENTIALLY SWEARING TO THE FACT THAT THEY SENT IT OUT AND COMPLIED WITH IT, I MEAN, FOR MOST PEOPLE I THINK IT'S PROBABLY EASIER TO COMPLY THAN, THAN LYING, YOU KNOW. WELL, I, I, LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M, I'M HAPPY. SO, SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, OR YOUR RECOMMEND, 'CAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY YOUR APPLICATION . SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, IS STRIKING ADJACENT, UM, SENDING TO WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE PROPERTY, 14 CALENDAR DAYS WITH AN AFFIDAVIT AND A COPY OF THE LETTER IN THE PACKET. YEP. OKAY. AND IF YOU Y'ALL MAKE THAT MOTION, THEN UM, WE WILL SEND THAT TO COUNSEL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION. ONE MORE QUESTION, I APOLOGIZE THAT SURE. BROUGHT SOMETHING AT LAST CONVERSATION. THE SIGNS. HOW, HOW FAR IN ADVANCE DO THOSE GET POSTED AND WHAT IS THE DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY? ARE THEY POSTED AT THE, THE NEAREST MAJOR INTERSECTION? THEY HAVE TO BE POSTED ON THE PROPERTY. ONLY ON THE PROPERTY. YEAH. AND IF IT HAS MORE THAN ONE FRONTAGE, WE DO MULTIPLE SIGNS. OKAY. MY ONLY THOUGHT PROCESS IS IF THEY'RE DEVELOPING THE BACK OF AN AREA THAT PEOPLE, IT'S NOT A REGULARLY DRIVEN AREA, THE PEOPLE IN THE FRONT SECTION MAY NOT KNOW IT'S HAPPENING. SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE ABLE TO ADD SOMETHING TO WHERE IT IT'S ON A RIGHT OF WAY. YEAH. IT HAS TO BE ON A RIGHT OF WAY OR NEAR AN ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY. RIGHT. IT'S NOT GONNA BE IN THE BACK PART. UM, AND I WILL TELL YOU, I HAVE, SINCE WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, PAID A LOT MORE ATTENTION TO THE SIGNS THAT ARE GOING UP AND OUR SIGNS HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION ON IT THAN THESE OTHER JURISDICTIONS. UM, THE ONES THAT I'M SEEING AROUND, WE, WE PUT THE MEETING DATES, WE PUT BOTH MEETING DATES, WE PUT THE PARCEL NUMBER, THAT'S, AND WE PUT THE TYPE OF APPLICATION ON IT AND HOW TO GET AHOLD OF US AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SIGNS? YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS ARE. YEAH. AND UM, I WILL SAY FOR THE INSTANCE, THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON, IT SAYS TOWN OF BLUFFTON, THERE'S AN APPLICATION CALL IF YOU WANT INFORMATION. IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT TYPE OF APPLICATION. IT DOESN'T SAY WHEN THE MEETINGS ARE, IT DOESN'T, SO BEING THAT THERE IS SO MUCH INFORMATION ON THERE, CAN WE MAKE THE SIGNS BIGGER? IS THERE A WAY TO GET INSTEAD OF THE STANDARD SLIGHTLY BIGGER? YES. SLIGHTLY. YEAH. WE'LL MAKE IT WHERE IT'S, IT'S READABLE. OKAY. I, I FOUND THAT OUT. I HAD WAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION ON ONE OF MY SIGNS IN THE PAST, SO THANK YOU. WE, WE HAVE A BIG, OR WE USED TO HAVE THE BIG ZI DON'T KNOW IF WE STILL DO, BUT THAT KIND OF CATCHES YOUR EYE. CORRECT. SLOW DOWN. SO YEAH. THANK YOU KATIE. QUICK QUESTION. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE SIGNAGE, WERE THEY? WHAT YARD SIGNS IS THAT? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. ALRIGHT. THE MOTION, UH, I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE, UM, CHANGES TO THE NOTIFICATION, UH, TO CITY COUNCIL WITH OUR, WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE TODAY. I SECOND THAT A MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? EASY, EASY DAY. I KNOW. DON'T WORRY. NEXT MONTH WE'LL BE BACK WITH THAT. I'LL TALK ABOUT, UM, JOINT MEETING. [00:25:01] OKAY. PERFECT. PLANNING REPORT. SO YEAH, I'M GONNA KIND OF COMBINE THIS, UM, A AND B HERE. UM, JUST A FEW THINGS. I KNOW SEVERAL OF YOU ATTENDED THE MEMORIAL PARK GROUNDBREAKING TODAY. UM, ON YOUR WAY TO THIS MEETING, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THAT MORGAN HAS STARTED PUTTING IN THEIR, UM, ACCESS POINT. SO THEY'RE WORKING ON GETTING THAT, UM, FIRST INITIAL ACCESS POINT. I THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA USE STRIKER ROAD. THEY ARE. THEY ARE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO BUILDING, THEY HAVE TO BUILD THAT ACCESS, SO OKAY. THEY HAVE TO GET TO STRIKER ROAD ON THEIR PROPERTY. YEAH. UM, OKAY. BUT, UM, THE FIRST BUILDING AT THE CLARIUS PROPERTY HAS, UM, RECEIVED ITS CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. SO THAT'S GOOD. WE'RE GETTING SOME OF THOSE, UM, INDUSTRIAL USERS IN THERE. UM, HARBOR FREIGHT IS WORKING THROUGH THEIR FINAL INSPECTIONS AND WILL LIKELY BE OPEN LATER THIS MONTH. , I KNEW YOU WANTED TO HEAR ABOUT THAT ONE. UM, THE RECENT APPLICATIONS, THE CROSS INITIAL MASTER PLAN IS GOING TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FIRST READING TOMORROW NIGHT. UM, THE HILTON HEAD, LAKE WEST, ALL THE PODS ARE GOING FOR SECOND READING TOMORROW NIGHT AND RIVERPORT NORTH WON'T BE BACK ON COUNCIL UNTIL THE 24TH. THEY HAD SOME WORK TO DO TO ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS AND I JUST WANTED TO PUT ON RECORD FOR ANYBODY WATCHING TODAY THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS CURRENTLY DOING A FOOD DRIVE FOR A LOCAL FOOD PANTRY, UM, WHICH IS LOCATED ON WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD. YOU CAN DROP OFF DONATIONS THROUGH JULY 16TH, UM, AT CITY HALL TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OR CONTACT US IF YOU NEED US TO PICK SOMETHING UP. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO PICK WHO WE ARE. HAPPY TO PICK UP IF WE NEED TO. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO HAVE DONATED AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO FUTURE ONES. AND BRIANNA IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT ITEM AFTER KATIE IS, IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC TYPES OF FOODS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING NOT ON NON-PERISHABLE? UM, WE, PAPER PRODUCTS, PROTEIN. PROTEIN HAS BEEN ASKED FOR, UM, LIKE SO PACKAGED PROTEIN, LIKE PACKAGED FISH AND UM, CANNED TUNA. RIGHT. I MEAN CANNED CHICKEN, THAT KIND OF THING. OKAY. I, I THINK WITH AND LISTENING TO KATIE KATIE'S BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, PASTOR ALBERTA, UM, ON, ON THIS, UM, LISTENING TO HER TALK ABOUT IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SCHOOL KIDS OUT NOW THAT, UM, NEED THOSE PROTEINS A LITTLE MORE THAN, UM, THAN WHAT THEY WERE GETTING IN THE PAST. SO I THINK THAT'S, UM, IMPORTANT FOR US RIGHT NOW WITHOUT SCHOOL IN SESSION. UM, WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. UM, WE WILL BE STAFFING THAT AND WORKING THAT ON NEXT, ON THE 17TH. YES. UM, IN THE MORNING, THEY, THEY IS WHEN THEY GIVE OUT AND HAND OUT STUFF. AND SO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL BE CLOSED ON THE MORNING OF THE 17TH FOR US TO ASSIST. UM, THAT'S OUR SERVICE PROJECT. UM, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO, UM, GIVE BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY ON, ON SOMETHING THAT MEANS SO MUCH TO, UM, WE'VE WORKED, KATIE KATIE'S WORKED A LOT WITH PASTOR ALBERTA AND UM, AND IT'S, IT'S A GOOD ONE FOR US. UM, I DID HEAR BACK FROM THE PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR JASPER COUNTY AND THERE SHE HAD THREE DATES, UM, THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, RECOMMEND. I'M GOING KIND OF GIVE YOU ONE AND SEE HOW THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY TO MEET. AND IT WOULD BE AT 4:00 PM ON AUGUST THE SIXTH, WHICH IS A WEDNESDAY. I DON'T KNOW THE LOCATION. IT'LL EITHER BE REC CENTER OR SOMEWHERE NEUTRAL. SOMEWHAT NEUTRAL, UM, HERE, BUT AT 4:00 PM ON AUGUST THE SIXTH, IF EVERYBODY IS AVAILABLE FOR A JOINT MEETING, UM, WE WOULD TALK ABOUT ANNEXATIONS. WE'RE WE ARE HAVING A JOINT MEETING WITH THE COUNTY COUNCIL TOMORROW, UM, FOR THEM TO TALK ABOUT SOME DIFFERENT COMP PLANS AND, AND ANNEXATION POLICIES AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO WE'RE JUST GONNA CONTINUE THE TREND. OKAY. AND SEE, I I DON'T HAVE MY CALENDAR WITH ME, BUT I'LL CHECK AND LET YOU KNOW. OKAY. I'M, I'M GOOD FOR THAT DATE. I'M GOOD. I'M GOOD. OKAY. WELL IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE, WE'LL SEE AUGUST 6TH AT FOUR O'CLOCK. SHE WASN'T LISTENING. AUGUST 6TH AT FOUR O'CLOCK. AUGUST THE SIXTH AT FOUR O'CLOCK. I HAVE TO GET MY CALENDAR UP. OKAY, WELL, WE'LL WE'LL WORK ON THAT. AND UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER DATES IN EARLY AUGUST THAT, THAT WERE AVAILABLE. ONE IS A COUNCIL DATE AND ONE IS A MONDAY. AND SO, UM, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT MONDAY TOO, BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO MEET ON COUNCIL DAY. UM, KATIE AND I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT. . UM, AS YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED, JOE DUFFY IS NO LONGER WITH US. HE, UM, RESIGNED. I KNOW, [00:30:01] UM, HE, I GUESS A FEW WEEKS AGO HE GAVE HIS TWO WEEKS NOTICE AND MONDAY WAS HIS LAST DAY. UM, HE HAS GONE TO, UM, PERRY, GEORGIA AND HE'S TAKEN THE, UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR JOB THERE. SO WE WILL BE MISSED. WE HAVE AN ADVERTISEMENT OUT FOR A SENIOR PLANNER. GOOD LUCK FOR HIM. I KNOW. GOOD LUCK TO JOE. UM, IT'S, I KEEP LOOKING FOR HIM IN THE MORNINGS, . IT'S, IT'S JUST, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN USED TO IT YET. UM, AND UM, THE RFP FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ALSO DUE ON THE 17TH. UM, WE HOPE TO GET PROPOSALS. I WILL TELL YOU, I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH AND PEOPLE INTERESTED IN IT. SO LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE WE DID, UM, WE GOT ONE BID, ONE PROPOSAL. HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE MANY MORE TO CHOOSE FROM AND WE'LL BE GETTING WITH, WITH YOU GUYS TO, UM, START THAT PROCESS. IT'S TIME. THE STATE KEEPS US BUSY, DON'T THEY? THAT WAS PAINFUL. . SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE. UM, I ALL'S LEFT TO LOOK AT ASHLEY, SO SHE KEEPS US STRAIGHT. UM, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENT. HOW'S THAT WITH LANDON? UM, NO COMMENTS AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU JEFF. I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE STAFF FOR THE WAY YOU HANDLED THAT, UH, RECOMMENDATION FOR THE NOTIFICATION. I THINK THAT WAS, THAT WAS GREAT. UM, IT GAVE US ALL THE INPUT THAT WE COULD HAVE HAD AND I THINK IT WAS A GREAT EXERCISE. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THANK YOU FOR FOLLOWING UP ON THE COUNTY CITY JOINT MEETING. ALL OF OUR MEETINGS SHOULD GO THIS QUICKLY. , UM, ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON THE NEW SOFTWARE. HOW'S THAT GOING? UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE LAST WEEK IN LAST FULL WEEK IN JULY, UM, FOR THE, UM, CONSULTANTS TO, TO START WORKING AT EVERYTHING. ONE THING THAT IS, IS A LAG TIME IS EVERYTHING HAS TO BE CODIFIED AT WITH MUNI CODE. UM, AND WE ARE GETTING THE LAST BIT OF OUR ORDINANCE AND WITH THESE TWO CHANGES WE'RE DOING THREE CHANGES WITH FOOD TRUCKS NOTIFICATIONS. WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THAT RIGHT. THAT SHOULD BE VERY SIMPLE TO ADD ON. UM, AND UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT END AUGUST, EARLY SEPTEMBER IS WHERE WE, WE WON'T HOLD YOU TO THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A TARGET WE'RE HOPING FOR. SO THANK YOU FOR ASKING ANYTHING ELSE. OKAY. I I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS. UM, THIS IS AN OLD ONE STATUS OF THE VILLE SIGN ON 2 78 . OH, MR. . YEAH, SOME OF THAT, I, I REALLY CAN'T GET INTO THE DETAILS OF IT. UM, JUST BECAUSE THAT SIGN, NO ONE'S CLAIMING OWNERSHIP OF THE SIGN. UM, SO WE ARE WORKING OUT THE DETAILS. GETTING TO THAT SIGN IS VERY DIFFICULT. OKAY. BECAUSE OF THE WETLANDS AND BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED THAT, THAT AREA WITH BJ WSA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THAT STAGING AREA, WHATEVER IT IS, UM, HAS THE WETLANDS HAVE INCREASED AND THEN WHEN THEY CLEARED FOR THAT, THAT RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE POWER EASEMENT, EVERY TIME THEY CLEAR THE WETLANDS INCREASE AROUND THERE. OKAY. SO IT IS BEING, STILL BEING DISCUSSED, BUT, UM, THERE ARE PRIORITIES THAT HAVE, HAVE JUMPED AHEAD OF ME. I HAD A CONSTITUENT ASK. YES. UM, WE ARE, I NEVER HAD AN AREA THAT WAS SO HARD TO FIND A PLACE TO PUT A SIGN. YEAH, LET'S JUST SAY THAT MUCH. UM, THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, I KNOW IN THE PAST WE HAVE STEERED AWAY FROM HAVING COUNCIL MEMBERS ATTEND OUR MEETING. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE OR TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS IF THEY COULD DO IT ON A ROTATING BASIS SO THAT IT'S NOT A, DOESN'T CONSTITUTE A MEETING BY THEM JUST TO SIT IN ON. SO IT'S NICE THAT THEY SEE OUR MINUTES AND IT'S NICE THAT THEY WATCH THE VIDEO, BUT I THINK IF THEY'RE HERE AND THEY, THEY, THEY CAN READ OUR FACES A LOT BETTER IN PERSON THAN THEY CAN ON THE VIDEO. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL, WE'LL DISCUSS WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND, AND THEN COUNCIL. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT ONE. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. [00:35:03] SO ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? NO SIR. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOVE TO ADJOURN. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? WE'RE ADJOURNED. VERY GOOD. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.