* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:04:36] GOOD MORNING. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MONTHLY REGULAR MEETING OF THE [CALL TO ORDER] VILLE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. MR. BISHOP, WELL, THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY. YOU'VE GIVEN US THE LORD. THANK YOU FOR THE, UM, INTEREST OF THE BUILDERS CONTRACT TO INVEST [00:05:01] IN US. AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR THE, UH, INTEREST AS THE CITIZENS THAT ARE HERE TODAY, LORD, AND HELP US TO MAKE GOOD DECISION TODAY. AMEN. PLEASURE PUT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA [INVOCATION & PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] AND TO THE REPUBLIC WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. MAKE SURE YOUR MIC, FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. I MOVE. WE [APPROVAL OF AGENDA] APPROVE THE AGENDA. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PUBLIC COMMENT. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT NOT RELATED TO THE AGENDA ITEMS TODAY? [PUBLIC COMMENT] SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON OLD BUSINESS MINUTES OF MAY 14TH. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING APPROVAL. I HAVE [OLD BUSINESS] ONE, UM, CORRECTION MINOR. IT'S JUST A [MINUTES FROM MAY 14, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING] ADMINISTRATIVE CORRECTION UNDER THE ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. UM, YOU PEL MY NAME WRONG. . . AND ON THAT NOTE, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME AND CONGRATULATE OUR VICE CHAIR, JEFF FULLMAN. UM, JEFF'S BEEN WITH US FOR A WHILE, BUT, UH, I THINK, I THINK HE DOESN'T REALIZE WHAT, WHAT HE SIGNED UP FOR. SO, . ALL RIGHT. I HAVE MORE ANYTHING YOU MISSED ONE MEETING AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. , I'M ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM MAY 14TH, UM, 2025. PLANNING, COMMISSION MEETING. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. APPROVED. OKAY. NEW BUSINESS CONSIDERATION OF ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR PA 0 8 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 3. [NEW BUSINESS] LOCATED ON ARGENT BOULEVARD, GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IN UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY TO GENERAL [CONSIDERATION OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR PARCEL 080-00-02-003 LOCATED ON ARGENT BLVD. GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IN UNICORPORATED JASPER COUNTY TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL IN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE (+/-1.972 ACRES)] COM COMMERCIAL IN THE CITY OF VILLE, APPROXIMATELY 1.972 ACRES. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. UM, I'M JOE DUFFY, OUR SENIOR PLANNER HERE. GOOD TO SEE SOME NEW FACES. WELCOME. UM, SO I'M HERE TO DISCUSS, UH, THE REZONING OF THIS PARCEL. UM, IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, COMING TO YOU CONCURRENTLY WITH AN ANNEXATION PROCESS, WHICH IS MOVING THROUGH CITY COUNCIL AS WELL. UM, SO REALLY OUR DECISION HERE IS TO DETERMINE WHAT THE ZONING OF THAT PARCEL, UH, SHALL BE PRESENT. SO THIS, THE SITE IS ACTUALLY LOCATED BETWEEN, UH, SHORTCUT ROAD AND NORTH OKEE HIGHWAY ON AR BOULEVARD. IT'S PRESENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND OUR APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THAT WE ACCEPT THE PARCEL AS GENERAL COMMERCIAL. AND IT IS CURRENTLY AN UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY. UNDER THAT SAME DESIGNATION, THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY OWNS BOTH THE PARCEL IN QUESTION, WHICH IS OUTLINED IN ORANGE AS WELL AS THE PARCEL, JUST SOUTHEAST OF THAT. UM, AND THEY'LL, THEY'RE HERE TO DISCUSS SOME OF WHAT THEY ENVISION FOR THE, THE, THE, UH, AREA. THERE'S JUST A LITTLE BROADER CONTEXT FOR YOU OF THE PARCEL OUTLINED IN YELLOW. AND HERE IS THE AREA ZONING. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE PARCELS OUTLINED IN GRAY HERE WITH THE STAR. THE, THERE IS EXISTING GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING AND THE VICINITY, UM, AS WELL AS LIMITED INDUSTRIAL AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL. CURRENTLY, AS I MENTIONED, IT IS UNDEVELOPED. UM, THESE ARE JUST A FEW SCREENSHOTS OF, OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA FROM MULTIPLE DIRECTIONS. UM, THE PARCEL IS WITHIN THE CITY OF HARDY'S ANNEXATION BOUNDARIES. UM, WE DID FIND THAT THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT, UH, WITH THE LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, AND VIEWING THIS AS A DONUT HOLE AND THAT IT'S SURROUNDED BY MUCH OF THE CITY LIMITS. UM, WE FELT IT WAS WISE TO ACCEPT IT, UM, TO INCREASE OUR CONTIGUITY. AND JUST A REVIEW OF THE PROCESS. UM, PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE ZONING, UH, WITH WHICH COUNSEL WOULD THEN, UM, TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION WITH THE ANNEXATION PROCESS. UH, STAFF RECOMMEND ACCEPTING IT AS GENERAL COMMERCIAL BASED ON THE SURROUNDING VICINITY, UM, AS WELL AS THE PRIOR ZONING. UM, JUST FOUND TO BE IN A COHESION WITH THE, THE MASTER PLAN. UM, SO I DO HAVE SOME, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT [00:10:01] TEAM HERE WITH US TODAY. UM, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MR. BAI, UM, AND TEAM YOU COULD COME UP TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I'M HAPPY TO DO THE SAME. GOOD MORNING. MORNING. WELCOME BACK. UH, I AM OPERATING WITH ONLY ONE FUNCTIONING EAR THIS MORNING. UH, IT POPPED ON A PLANE RIDE THE OTHER DAY AND HASN'T POPPED BACK AGAIN. UH, BUT I THINK I COULD, I COULD HEAR YOU WITH THE PA SYSTEM. OH, OKAY. THE, CAN WE GO TO THE OTHER MAP? OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW YOU OWN THE YELLOW AND THE ORANGE, OR YOU OWN THE WHOLE THING AND THAT THE ONE WITH THE STAR AND THAT ONE IN BACK OF IT. OKAY. SO THE, THE, THE ORANGE PIECE OVER HERE IS NOT YOURS? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THE, THE PARCEL IN BACK OF THE ONE WITH THE STAR IS ALREADY IN HARDY. YEP. AND, UM, AS ARE THE PARCELS TO THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE'RE THE PROVERBIAL DONUT HOLE. OKAY. THE, UM, OKAY, I'LL START WITH, UH, TO MY LEFT WITH LANDON. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, THE ONLY, JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR, UM, INTENTION WITH THE, THE PAR IF IT GETS INCORPORATED INTO THE CITY? HARDY EVIL? DO YOU HAVE, UH, PLANS ON DEVELOPING THE LAND RIGHT AWAY OR? YES. UH, WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THE, UM, THE START PARCEL, WHICH WOULD BE THE ONE THAT'S THE NEXT, UH, A SMALL RETAIL CENTER, UH, COMPRISING FOUR UNITS. UH, ONE OF THE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, UH, OWNS A PRESCHOOL, UM, THE, UH, ORIGINAL AND FIRST OPERATION BEING IN PORT ROYAL. IT'S CALLED THE SAVVY APPLE PRESCHOOL. UH, AND THEY WILL OCCUPY, UH, ONE OF THE FOUR, UM, UM, RETAIL SPACES. AND THE, UM, UH, OTHER COMMITTED RETAIL SPACE IS, UH, A RESTAURANT THAT YOU MAY HAVE ALL HEARD OF THE OLIVE AND THE FIG, UH, MEDITERRANEAN KITCHEN, UH, BETWEEN THE SAVVY APPLE AND THE OLIVE FIG, UH, THEY WILL OCCUPY, UH, 7,500 OF THE 11,000 SQUARE FOOT CENTER. THERE WILL BE TWO OTHER SMALLER UNITS, UH, EACH, UM, UH, ONE AT 1500 SQUARE FEET AND ONE AT 2000 SQUARE FEET. SO THAT IS, UH, A RENDERING OF THE FOUR UNITS, UH, SAVVY APPLE BEING ON THE LEFT AND THE OLIVE AND FIG BEING, UH, ON THE, UH, RIGHT. UH, THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE EAST LOOKING TO THE WEST. OKAY. THANK YOU. NICE ELEVATION. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, MR. FOREMAN. UH, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. EVERY TIME THAT WE HAVE A PROPERTY THAT'S BEING ANNEXED, I ALWAYS ASK, AND I'LL ASK THIS OF OUR STAFF, UM, HAVE WE CONTACTED THE COUNTY AND HAVE THEY INDICATED ANY POSITION OR CONCERN? UM, WHY, WHY WOULD YOU PREFER TO BE IN HARDY V? WELL, THE, UM, LONG-TERM INTENTION, UH, IS TO DEVELOP, UH, AND THERE IS NO PRESENT INTENTION, BUT THE LONG-TERM INTENTION IS TO DEVELOP THE, UH, MULTIFAMILY, UH, IN THE FIVE ACRES ALREADY IN HARDY V. UH, AND, UM, WE SEEM TO BE SURROUNDED BY HARDY V TO THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT. IT JUST, IT JUST MADE A LOT OF SENSE THOUGH US IT DOES MAKE SENSE. UM, AND THEN, AND UH, LAST QUESTION TO THE STAFF. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL IN JASPER COUNTY TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL IN HARDY V. ARE THERE ANY PERMITTED USES THAT WE HAVE UNDER A GENERAL COMMERCIAL THAT THEY DON'T? IS THERE ANY CHANGE IN THAT? VERY LITTLE. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. PROBABLY STRICTER. NO, I'M GOOD. GONE. JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, THE SIZE OF THE OLIVE AND FIG AND THE, THE WHOLE PROJECT, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE THERE GONNA BE? SURE. WELL THE, UM, YOUR ORDINANCE CALLS FOR UH, FOUR SPACES FOR A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, [00:15:01] WHICH WOULD BE, UM, 44 SPACES. WE ARE ACTUALLY PROVIDING, UM, 53 SPACES. AND WAS THERE PARKING IN THE BACK TOO, OR JUST THERE'S SOME PARKING IN THE BACK? UM, YES, THERE'S SOME PARKING IN THE BACK. THE BULK OF THE, I THINK ABOUT NINE SPACES, THE BULK OF THE 53 SPACES ARE IN THE FRONT AND THE SIDE. AND, AND YOU SEE WHERE THAT RED CAR IS? YEP. IT WOULD BE TO THE RIGHT OF THE RED CAR. OKAY. AND THE 53 INCLUDES PARKING IN THE BACK? YEAH. ONLY I THINK THERE'S NINE SPACES IN THE BACK. OKAY. CAN, CAN WE GO TO THE OTHER DI I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON WHERE THE STAR IS. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. GOOD. UM, PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANY, ANY YOU WANT FROM THE PUBLIC WANT TO SPEAK? [PUBLIC COMMENT] OH, OKAY. SEEING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. QUESTIONS. SOMEBODY CURB CUTS ON ARJUN BOULEVARD. WOULD YOU ASK ABOUT THAT? WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? SO CURB CUTS THAT WOULD COME WITH THE ACTUAL PLANNING OF THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF. WE'RE JUST WORKING ON THE ZONING HERE, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT THROUGH STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE AND COORDINATION WITH S-C-D-O-T AS WELL. AND OUR PLANS FOR SHORTCUT JASPER STATION AND AN ENT BOULEVARD REALIGNMENT KIND OF ALL NEEDS TO PLAY TOGETHER, RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT APPROVING THIS DEVELOPMENT. JUST THE ZONING. THE ZONING, CORRECT. YOU'RE JUST APPROVING THE ZONING. UM, AND THE ANNEXATION. THIS IS JUST, AND THE WELL COUNCIL APPROVE THE ANNEXATION. YEAH. BUT, UM, SO IF COUNSEL APPROVES THE ANNEXATION, THEN THEY NEED A ZONING ASSIGNED. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GIVING THEM GUIDANCE. UM, THIS IS JUST THE APPLICANT HAS THIS INTENT. IF OTHERWISE, UM, IT WILL FOLLOW THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL GUIDELINES THOUGH, NO MATTER WHAT IF, UM, ANNEXED AND ZONE THAT WAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. SEE NONE IAIN A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THE ANNEX AND THE USE CHANGE. NO ZONING AFTER THE ZONING ZONING ZONING. I'M SORRY. I'LL SECOND THAT IF WE NEED TO HAVE A MORE FORMAL MOTION ON THAT. OKAY. WE HAVE HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR CONSIDERATION OF ZONING MA COM ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR PASO 0 8 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 3 LOCATED ON AGIN BOULEVARD FROM COMMERCIAL GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL COMMERCIAL IN THE CITY OF VILLE. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. AYE. IT'S APPROVED. OKAY. SECOND ORDER OF BUSINESS EAST AGENT PDD CONSIDERATION OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN. A PASO 0 6 7 0 0 0 1 0 1 7 [EAST ARGENT PDD] TO BE KNOWN AS CROSS SCHOOLS OF EAST ADJUNCT, APPROXIMATELY [CONSIDERATION OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR PARCEL 067-00-01-107 TO BE KNOWN AS CROSS SCHOOLS OF EAST ARGENT (+/- 24 ACRES)] 24 ACRES. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU MR. ALRIGHT, SO THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE EAST ARGENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2005 AND AMENDED IN 2017. MOST RECENTLY, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS EAST A PARKWAY THAT CONNECTS TO ARGENT BOULEVARD. UM, THE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN RED AND IT'S SURROUNDED BY THE SUN CITY AT EAST ARGENT DEVELOPMENT. HERE IS, UM, THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN. YOU CAN SEE THE LAYOUT. THE, UM, OOPS, SORRY, I KEEP GETTING JOE'S HEAD. UM, , THE CROSS PRESCHOOL, UM, 400 STUDENT, UM, FACILITY HERE. YOU HAVE A FUTURE CHURCH WORSHIP OR OUTREACH FACILITY HERE, AND ANOTHER ONE LOCATED UP HERE. UM, THESE DARK GREEN AREAS ARE WETLANDS. THEY WILL BE PRESERVED AND THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 20 FOOT BUFFER ALONG ALL PERIMETERS OF THESE WETLANDS. SO THIS IS, UM, 14.2 ACRES OF UPLAND AND 9.8 ACRES OF WETLANDS. AGAIN, UM, I JUST TALKED ABOUT THE USES. IT WILL CONNECT TO EAST SERGEANT PARKWAY. UM, AND THEY WILL CONTINUE THE EIGHT FOOT MULTI-USE PATHWAY THAT'S GOING TO BE ALONG THAT ROADWAY. UM, FIVE, FIVE FOOT INTERNAL SIDEWALKS, AND THEN FIVE FOOT MULCH NATURE DISCOVERY TRAIL, WHICH WAS SHOWN ON YOUR OPEN SPACE PLAN. [00:20:01] UM, THE APPLICANT RECENTLY PROVIDED THEIR INTENTION FOR THE FIRST PHASE WOULD BE TO HAVE THIS ACCESS AND THEN, UM, THE 400 STUDENT FACILITY HERE. AND THEN, UM, THE BUFFERS ARE A 50 FOOT MINIMUM BUFFER ALONG THE PERIMETER. UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU HAVE A, LIKE I SAID, A LARGE MAJORITY OF WETLANDS. UM, AND YOU'LL HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL 20 FOOT FROM WHEREVER THE WETLANDS ENDS. UM, THE LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE NATURAL RESOURCES ELEMENT. UM, STATE, THE OPEN SPACE SHOULD BE A COMPONENT OF EVERY DEVELOPMENT. THIS APPLICATION, UM, HAS PROPOSED 55.33% OPEN SPACE, UM, WITH 8.71% ACTIVE OPEN SPACE. UM, THIS THE PROCESS, YOU'RE HERE FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN CITY COUNCIL WILL DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A WORKSHOP AND THEN CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL. AND THEN IT WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FULL SITE ENGINEERING PROCESS, WHICH WILL BE THROUGH THE STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE BASED ON THE STANDARDS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THE E SERGEANT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED INITIAL MASTER PLAN AS SUBMITTED. AND AT THIS TIME, I BELIEVE MR. KAISER FROM THE CHURCH IS GOING TO COME UP AND SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PROJECT. VERY BRIEFLY, , IF YOU NEED THE LASER, IT'S THE GREEN BUTTON. WELCOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. UM, OUR PLANNING COMMISSION. I BEG YOUR PARDON? MY NAME IS STEVE KAISER AND I'M JUST A MAN ON THE STREET MEMBER OF THE CHURCH THAT'S THE APPLICANT. UH, BUT I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE AND I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THIS ORGANIZATION CALLED THE CHURCH OF THE CROSS. UH, IT'S A VERY PURPOSEFUL TIME FOR US. WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY TO BRING ABOUT A CAMPUS TO EDUCATE CHILDREN, UH, TO PROVIDE CARE, A PLACE OF SAFETY, A PLACE OF PROFESSIONAL, UH, LEADERSHIP. UH, AND I COULD GO ON, BUT I WON'T. SO FROM A PRACTICAL POINT OF VIEW, IT'S A NEEDED FACILITY FROM A PURPOSEFUL POINT OF VIEW. IT WILL BE DONE, UH, IN A FIVE STAR MANNER. THAT'S ALL. I, THAT'S ALL I CAN TELL YOU. AND WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF THAT WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU VISIT ELSEWHERE TODAY IN THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY OF BLUFFTON AND THE COUNTY OF BEAUFORT. SO THIS IS OUR NEWEST CAMPUS PROPOSAL. IT'S NEEDED. UH, WE HAVE CHILDREN, UH, IN OUR COMMUNITY NOW GROWING BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS, QUITE LITERALLY, AND ALSO IN THE CENSUS REPORTS THAT COME OUT. SO THERE'S A REAL NEED FOR THIS. AND WE THINK THE DAY WE PUT THE KEY IN THE FRONT DOOR, CLASSROOMS WILL BE FULL. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT OUR PROJECTIONS ARE AND THAT'S WHAT OUR RESEARCH DEMONSTRATES TO US. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. SO, UM, I'M JUST THE MAN ON THE STREET REPRESENTING THE CHURCH AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. BUT WE DO HAVE A GREAT TEAM OF PEOPLE HERE REPRESENTED BY JK TILLER AND ASSOCIATES, LAND PLANNERS, WARD EDWARDS ENGINEERING. UH, WE HAVE ARCHITECTS FROM PARKER DESIGN GROUP PRESENT. THEY'VE BEEN WITH US ON SO MANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE HIGH CONFIDENCE IN THEM. AND NOW I'LL DEFER TECHNICAL QUESTIONS TO THEM IF YOU HAVE ANY. OKAY. THIS IS IN ADDITION TO THE SCHOOL YOU HAVE DOWN ON THE PARKWAY? THAT IS CORRECT, BUT IT, BUT IT'S A SUPPORTING ELEMENT OF THE SCHOOL ON BUCK WALTER PARKWAY ACROSS SCHOOLS. AND THIS IS PRE-K THROUGH FOURTH GRADE PLANNING. OH, OKAY. SO IT, IT WILL BE A PIPELINE TO THAT SCHOOL CAMPUS. SO AS CHILDREN MATRICULATE HERE, THEY'LL COME OVER TO THE LARGER CAMPUS. OKAY. I'M GONNA START WITH DAWN THIS TIME. UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN PLANNING STUDIES, UH, TRAFFIC STUDIES, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT. I, THE BINDER HAS ALL THE INFORMATION. UM, WE'LL CALL ON THE TECHNICIANS 'CAUSE I HEAR A QUESTION . YEAH, THERE'S ONE DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY ONE COMING. AT LEAST ONE I I DRIVE BY WEST, LET'S SAY ARJUN BOULEVARD IN 2 78, ALMOST EVERY DAY. USUALLY IN THE MORNING WHEN KIDS ARE GOING TO SCHOOL. AND A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE GOING THAT WAY, I WOULD IMAGINE. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, IF ENT BOULEVARD GETS ANY MORE TRAFFIC ON IT, IT'S GONNA BE A STANDSTILL. AND THAT'S MY CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S PLANS IN THE FUTURE FOR WIDENING IT AND TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING, BUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR THE SCHOOL TO OPEN THE, THE PROCESS THAT WAS BEFORE US JUST A MOMENT AGO SHOWED A LONG RANGE APPROVAL STEP. MM-HMM . AND I KNOW TRAFFIC WILL BE [00:25:01] EMBEDDED IN THAT PROCESS. WE UNDERSTAND THAT IN ORDER TO GET TO THAT STEP, WE HAVE TO GET TO THIS STEP WITH YOU. AND WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, UH, AND THE TECHNICIANS AND THE ENGINEERS AND THE PLANNERS CAN TALK MORE IN DETAIL ABOUT THIS, BUT WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, THERE WAS ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT THAT ROAD THAT FRONTS OUR PROPERTY WAS NOT CONNECTED OVER TO HIGHWAY ONE 70 IN FRONT OF OLD FIELD. NOW IT DOES. WELL, ALMOST NOT YET. NOT YET. THERE'S A SMALL SECTION OF IT. IT IS NOT, IT WILL BE BEFORE OPEN. IT WILL BE BEFORE WE OPEN. THAT'S RIGHT. UH, AND FORTUNATELY THAT'S A PUBLIC ROAD. UM, I MEAN MOST, A LOT OF IT HAS A MEDIAN. SOME OF IT DOES NOT, BUT IT'LL BE, IT'LL REALLY HELP THIS WHOLE ISSUE, I THINK OKAY. ABOUT WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING NOW AND, AND IN THE FUTURE. YOU CAN ADD, I I, I'LL JUST SPEAK QUICKLY TO THAT, TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT TRAFFIC. UM, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE MASTER PLAN, WE DID COMMISSION A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS BY, UM, KIMLEY HORN ASSOCIATES. CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF PLEASE? I'M SORRY. MY NAME IS HEATH DUNCAN WITH WARD EDWARDS ENGINEERING. UM, KIMLEY HORN DID PREPARE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY FOR THE SITE. UM, UH, THAT ENGINEER WAS UNABLE TO BE HERE TODAY. HE'LL BE HERE FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING. BUT THAT, THAT STUDY, UM, WAS ALSO REVIEWED BY THE CITY'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT. UM, AND SOME COMMENTS PROVIDED, UM, BUT GENERALLY ACCEPTED, UM, AS SUBMITTED, BUT JUST TO IT, ITS MITIGATION. UM, SUGGESTIONS WERE FOR THIS PROJECT'S MAIN ACCESS, WHICH IS ON EAST AR PARKWAY TO HAVE A LEFT TURN LANE AND A RIGHT TURN LANE WITH A PREDETERMINED STORAGE LENGTH, UM, TO PREVENT TRAFFIC FROM BACKING UP INTO THE TRAFFIC LANES ON THE PARKWAY. AND THEN ALSO ON SITE WE FOLLOWED DOT GUIDANCE FOR ON ONSITE STACKING OR, UH, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH CAN BE SIGNIFICANT AT DROP OFF TIME WITH SMALL CHILDREN. SO THERE'S, UM, OVER 2,500 LINEAR FEET OF ONSITE STACKING. UM, SO, UM, PARENTS DROPPING OFF CHILDREN WHEN I BACK UP ONTO THE PARKWAY. AND THEN I THINK THERE WERE, UM, JUST MAYBE THERE WAS ONE MINOR COMMENT ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF ARGENT BOULEVARD AND EAST A PARKWAY, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS THE, THE MEANS OF GETTING MM-HMM. TO THE SITE IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND THE INFOR THAT INFORMATION IS BEING SHARED WITH THE MASTER DEVELOPER OF EAST AR AND ALSO WITH THE CITY. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING SOME INTERSECTION, UM, REDESIGN IS UNDERWAY FOR THAT INTERSECTION. YEAH, I BELIEVE SO. AND THE OUTCOME OF OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS SHARED WITH ALL OF THEM FOR, UH, INCORPORATION INTO, INTO THEIR, UM, EFFORTS AT THAT INTERSECTION. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK, THANK YOU. ERIC. WILL THERE BE ANY SUNDAY SERVICES, UM, IN THE FUTURE CHURCH FUNCTIONS? WE HOPE SO. . AND ARE Y'ALL SATISFIED WITH THE PARKING? YES, SIR. THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT YOU HAVE? YES, SIR. AT THIS TIME THAT, THAT'S IT. I, I WAS JUST CONCERNED THAT IF, IF WE STARTED HAVING SUNDAY SERVICES INTO TWO POSSIBLE LOCATIONS THERE, WOULD YOU HAVE ENOUGH PARKING IN THE FUTURE? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE PRETTY LIMITED IF YOU DECIDED IN THE FUTURE TO EXPAND, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD, UH, PROVIDE SOME SORT OF CONTROL VALVE FOR US WHEN, IF WE HAD TO HAVE, UM, SHUTTLE TO GO OUT TO THE PARCEL, THAT'S CONSIDERED, I THINK FACILITY A FRONTING EAST ARGENT PARKWAY. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP ON THE LEFT, WE CAN SHUTTLE PEOPLE OUT THERE AND PICK UP ON THAT PARKING THAT IS NOT REALLY WALKING DISTANCE, BUT OFF CART DISTANCE FROM YES, SIR. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MR. FULLMAN? UH, I I HAVE A TRAFFIC QUESTION. UM, I, I THINK AR BOULEVARD IS A DANGEROUS ROAD, I THINK IT IS RIGHT NOW. AND I'M LOOKING AT YOUR TRAFFIC STUDY. UH, I HOPE I'M UNDERSTANDING THE STUDY. THIS IS A LITTLE TECHNICAL FOR ME, BUT, UH, YOU, I BELIEVE THE STUDY INDICATES THAT IN FUTURE YEARS, AND I THINK THE YEAR WE'RE LOOKING AT IS 2029 IN THE STUDY, THAT IN ORDER TO, TO DO THE STUDY THAT YOU HAVE, UM, INDICATED A 3.5% INCREASE IN TRAFFIC. WHERE DOES THAT NUMBER COME FROM? YOU WANT ME TO LEAVE? LET ME IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER. YEAH, LET ME JUST SAY I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACCURATE. UM, IT'S BASED ON A, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS, UM, THAT FROM, A LOT OF IT FROM COORDINATION WITH THE CITY AND WHAT WE CALL BACKGROUND INFORMATION OR THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS ENGINEERS CALL BACKGROUND INFORMATION. AND IT HAS BEEN A NUMBER THAT'S BEING LOOKED AT THAT ALSO INCLUDES, UM, OTHER STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE AS WELL AS GROWTH [00:30:01] TRENDS AND WHAT'S GOING ON. UM, ONE THING I, THE REASON I, I GOT UP HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION TO TRY TO HELP WITH THIS A LITTLE BIT, IS THERE ARE A NUMBER OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE CITY IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON WITH DOT AND THE DEVELOPERS AND OTHERS ON ARGENT BOULEVARD AND EAST SERGEANT PARKWAY. AND, UM, I HOPE THAT WHEN WE HAVE, WHEN WE GET FURTHER ALONG IN THIS PROCESS, SOME OF THAT CAN COME TO LIGHT, UM, AND WE CAN HAVE THOSE ENGINEERS HERE WITH US. WELL, I, I, I KNOW THAT, THAT THE PERSON THAT DID THE ENGINEERING STUDY ISN'T HERE. I I, BUT, BUT LET ME ASK THE QUESTION. DO YOU FEEL BETWEEN NOW AND 2029 THAT THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC ON AGENT ARJUN BOULEVARD, THAT 3.5% WOULD BE SUFFICIENT? THAT'S THE NUMBER WE YEAH. THAT, THAT IS, I I, I WISH THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER WAS HERE. HE CAN PROBABLY ADDRESS THAT BETTER, BETTER THAN ANY OF US COULD. UM, BUT IT IS, IT IS THE, THE PARAMETERS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY. I KNOW THAT HE ALWAYS COORDINATES VERY CLOSELY WITH THE STAFF AND, UM, WITH ALL THE ENTITIES THAT HAVE PURVIEW OVER THE ROADWAY SYSTEM. SO, SO I KNOW THAT HE WOULD, I KNOW THAT HE WOULD'VE DONE THAT IN THIS INSTANCE AS WELL. AND, AND WE ACTUALLY RELY ON A, UM, A ENGINEER AS WELL TO REVIEW IT ON OUR BEHALF. AND THEY WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT NUMBER. SO I, I GUESS I'M, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT AS SORT OF A FIXED NUMBER. IT'S A, UH, YOU KNOW, RULE OF THUMB KIND OF NUMBER ARJUN BOULEVARD. I MEAN, I, MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH ARJUN BOULEVARD, I USED TO TAKE MY DOG TO THE DOG CARE PLACE THERE ON BOULEVARD. UH, AND THAT THE POOR GUY THAT HAS THAT PLACE, I DON'T TAKE MY DOG THERE ANYMORE BECAUSE I DO NOT CONSIDER IT SAFE TO TURN IN THERE AND THEN TURN IN FROM ARJUN BOULEVARD. AND I PERSONALLY BELIEVE IT'S NOT SCIENTIFIC, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, I DON'T HAVE A BACKGROUND ON THIS. I THINK WE'VE ALREADY EXPERIENCED A 3.5% INCREASE MM-HMM . AND, YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF COULD COME UP WITH A NUMBER OF HOW MANY UNITS THERE ARE BEING DEVELOPED. BUT I, I, IT'S INTUITIVELY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT, THAT, THAT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE, THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, UM, DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR MORE THAN 3.5%. WE JUST, THE, THE THING WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING WITH A COUPLE OF RESTAURANTS THAT ARE GONNA BE, I THINK, POPULAR RESTAURANTS, WE'VE HEARD TO THESE RESTAURANTS AND PRESCHOOL AND YOUR SCHOOL AND, YOU KNOW, THE COMMERCIAL, BUT EVEN JUST THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE, I THINK ACCOUNTS FOR MORE THAN 3.5%. I, I THINK IT'S A DANGEROUS ROAD. AND I'M VERY, VERY CON THE TRAFFIC IS OF GREAT CONCERN TO ME. WHEN THE MAYOR ASKED ABOUT CURB CUTS, I MEAN, THE REASON WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS IS THAT IT'S ALREADY AN UNSAFE ROAD. AND WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN TRYING, WE, THE CITY OF HARVILLE HAS BEEN TRYING TO CONVINCE THE S-C-D-O-T THAT IT'S A DANGEROUS ROAD. UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING DONE THERE CERTAINLY ARE BEING DONE IN AN ATTEMPT TO AMELIORATE THE PROBLEM. BUT I DON'T THINK I'M UNAWARE OF ANYONE THAT DOESN'T THINK THERE'S A TRAFFIC PROBLEM ON ORIGIN BOULEVARD. SO I I, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY CAN ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS, BUT I HAVE A GREAT CONCERN ABOUT THAT. A COUPLE OF COMMENTS TO YOUR CONCERN, LIV AND JASPER AND BUFORT ADJOINING COUNTIES FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS THAT I'VE SEEN, AND I'M, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS A FIRST PERSON COMMENTARY, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A FACT. I'VE EXPERIENCED THE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS THAT EXIST TODAY IN OUR ENTIRE REGION. I MEAN, IT'S INTERESTING THAT I 95 HAS FOUR LANES AND HIGHWAY 2 78 GOING TO HILTON HEAD HAS SIX, MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND. UH, AND IT WILL BE SOMEDAY. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE COMMENT I WANNA MAKE. I THINK IN, IN EXPERIENCES THAT WE'VE OBSERVED WHERE WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO RELIEF THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED, I THINK Y'ALL WILL BE A BIG PART OF THAT BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY IS IN YOUR JURISDICTIONAL AREA. THIS WHOLE AREA IS IN YOUR JURISDICTION. AND SO WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE OTHER ABILITIES TO PROVIDE A BETTER PLAN FOR TRAFFIC, WE HOPE YOU CALL UPON US TO HELP SUPPORT YOU IN THAT EFFORT. WE WILL, WE'LL BE THERE FOR WHATEVER EFFORTS WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT A SAFER COMMUNITY. SOME OF THE PRACTICAL THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN HAPPEN HAVE BEEN [00:35:01] REDUCTIONS IN SPEED ALLOWANCES GOING FROM A 45 OR A 55 TO A 45 OR A 45 TO A 35. AND WE'VE SEEN THAT THROUGHOUT COUNTIES AROUND US, AND IT WORKS. IT MAKES US ALL SAFER. UM, THERE ARE FEWER COLLISIONS OR WORSE. UH, THE SECOND PART OF THIS RESPONSE TO YOUR CONCERN THAT I FIND COMFORT IN IS THAT WHEN THIS EAST SERGEANT PARKWAY ROAD IS OPEN FOR TRAFFIC FLOW, IT WILL BECOME ESSENTIALLY A MAG MAGNIFICENT SECONDARY ACCESS TO HIGHWAY ONE SEVEN. AND IT WILL TAKE TRAFFIC OFF OF ARGENT BOULEVARD. UH, THAT, I THINK THAT'S JUST A PRACTICAL RESULT IS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN OVER THE NEXT YEAR SOONER THAN WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT THE KEY IN THE DOOR. SO THOSE THINGS, I THINK CAN HAPPEN QUICKER AND WE'LL SUPPORT WHATEVER YOU ALL DECIDE YOU WANT TO TRY TO PUSH FORWARD IN THOSE AREAS. ANYTHING ELSE, JEFF? WELL, I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT YOUR SCHOOL PREVIOUSLY, UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASKED IS WHETHER YOU HAD BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, HAVE YOU BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT THIS PROJECT? MM-HMM . NO. UH, BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN THE JURISDICTION OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND WE ARE NOT PUBLICLY FUNDED, AND WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAWS RELATIVE TO EDUCATIONAL PROTOCOLS. AND WE ARE MEMBERS OF VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS OR INDEPENDENT SCHOOLS. SO THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY THE ANSWER IS NO. YEAH. WELL, IF I CAN, UH, EDITORIALIZE FOR A MOMENT, HE, THERE MAY BE NO REQUIREMENT, AND I'M, I TAKE YOUR WORD THAT THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT NONETHELESS, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS A CERTAIN, UM, REQUIREMENT TO, YOU KNOW, TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EDUCATION IN THE AREA AND PRIMARILY THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS THAT THEY RUN. BUT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO UNDERSTAND THE PLANS THAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS FOR SCHOOL AND EDUCATION ARE, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA TO TALK WITH THEM. IT'S A GREAT IDEA. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT QUESTION BEFORE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S IT. GOOD MORNING. UM, I HAD A, I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND CREATED SOME MORE QUESTIONS ON THERE TOO. UM, SO WANTED TO, FIRST I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. I DO THINK A EARLY CHILDHOOD OR THE, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DEFINITELY IS NEEDED IN THIS AREA. UM, ESPECIALLY IN JASPER COUNTY. HAR CITY OF HARVILLE DEFINITELY THINK IT'S NEEDED. AND I WAS HAPPY THAT THERE'S ANOTHER EARLY EDUCATION LOOKING TO COME AS MY WIFE IS A, A EARLY EDUCATION EDUCATOR. SO, UM, DEFINITELY IS NEEDED IN THIS AREA. SO I'M, I'M EXCITED THAT THERE'S MORE DEVELOPMENT COMING TO SUPPORT THE FAMILIES IN THIS AREA. UM, SO IF, YOU KNOW, WE, TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON THE TIMELINE, WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT AGO, PERFECT WORLD. WE, WE RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL WORKSHOP, FIRST READING, SECOND READING, BUILDING PERMIT OR GO. IS IT LIKE SOMETHING YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO I AS FAST AS YOU CAN OR ARE YOU GONNA WAIT FOR, WE HEAR MARKET CONDITIONS A LOT, YOU KNOW, IS THIS LIKE, HEY, OUR GOAL PERFECT WORLD, WE'RE DONE BY 2028 OR SOONER, OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, I KNOW FUNDING MATTERS A LOT. NO, NO. THIS IS NOT A SMALL PROJECT. RIGHT? THIS IS A BIG PROJECT FOR US. IT MIGHT NOT BE FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT , BUT IT IS FOR A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION. UH, WE ARE, WE ARE GOING, WE ARE FUNDED. OKAY. I MEAN, WE HAVE LOVE GIFTS, WE HAVE INSTITUTIONS INVOLVED. WE ARE TAX EXEMPT. WE ARE, UH, INVOLVED NOW WITH A MAJOR NATIONAL BANK THAT GIVES US INCREDIBLY LOW INTEREST RATES TO MAKE THINGS LIKE THIS AFFORDABLE. UH, WE ARE IN, WE ARE UP TO HEARING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS SPEND YOUR TIME, OUR TIME AND AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY ON SOFT COSTS. BUT WE, BEFORE WE SPEND THE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE HARD COSTS, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. SO WE ARE AT THE END OF THE PROCESS WORKING BACK RIGHT NOW SO THAT THE FUNDING WILL BE THERE. OKAY. WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE 99% CONFIDENCE. SO THAT'S THE BEST ANSWER I CAN GIVE YOU. SO, PERFECT WORLD, YOU'RE READY TO, WE'RE READY TO GO. OKAY. YES, SIR. UM, AND THEN, SO THE, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC, RIGHT? THAT'S, WE KNOW ORIGIN'S BAD, THAT'S, NO ONE IN THIS AREA IS GOING TO DISAGREE, TRAFFIC'S BAD. WHERE DO YOU ANTICIPATE A MAJORITY OF THE STUDENTS TO COME FROM? ARE THEY COMING FROM BLUFFTON? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THE BIG CAMPUS THERE. ARE THEY COMING FROM THERE? ARE THEY COMING FROM THE NEW MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING RIGHT AROUND THEN THAT A AREA, EAST ARGENT, UH, THAT AREA? WHERE DO YOU, OBVIOUSLY YOU PROBABLY HAVE AN IDEA OF THE FORECAST WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM. WE DO. UM, WE SPECIFICALLY BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE [00:40:01] GROWTH CURVE THAT WAS DEVELOPING SEVERAL YEARS AGO. UM, AND THAT GROWTH CURVE HAS COME TO FRUITION. 'CAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE ROOFTOPS MM-HMM . IN EVERY DIRECTION AROUND YOU, SINGLE FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY MORE TO COME. UH, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE'RE HERE. IT'S A SERVICE HEADQUARTER CENTER FOR CHILDREN AND STAFF AND PROFESSIONALS. IT'S A PLACE FOR FAMILIES TO DROP OFF THEIR CHILDREN ON THE WAY TO WORK. IT'S A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO DROP OFF THEIR CHILDREN BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY OF THE EDUCATION AND THE, UH, SUPERVISION EXPERIENCES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE. SO THEY'RE GONNA, THE, THE, THE PEOPLE WHO BRING CHILDREN HERE ARE GONNA COME FROM ALL POINTS ON THE COMPASS. AND, AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE A RIPPLE EFFECT. I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THAT WILL GO. OKAY. BUT I KNOW IT WILL BE MORE THAN JUST THE FAMILIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS ON ORIGIN AND EAST A PARKWAY. OKAY. IT'LL BE FURTHER OUT. GOTCHA. UM, AND THEN JUST TO TALK ON MR. FOREMAN'S POINT, I, I THINK THE, THE GROWTH, OUR CITY'S EXPERIENCE IS 10 TO 15% OVER FROM 2020 TO 2025. SO 3.5 MIGHT, HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT A STANDARD NUMBER AND IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING FROM A LOT SMARTER THAN I AM FROM THERE. UM, AND THEN THE, DO, DO WE KNOW WHO OWNS THE PARTIAL TO THE SOUTHEAST? WHAT THAT THE INTENT? DO WE, ARE THERE, IS THERE ANYTHING APPROVED TO BUILD? IT'S, IT'S SUN. SO TO THE NORTH OF THE PROJECT IS SUN CITY EAST AR PHASE ONE. MM-HMM . AND TO THE SOUTH IS, IS PHASE 11, I BELIEVE. SO THAT IS, SO THAT IS MORE HOUSING. YEAH, IT WRAPS AROUND HERE. OKAY. RIGHT. IT, IT, IT LOOKS KIND OF LIKE WHAT'S TO THE NORTH? THERE'LL BE MORE OF THAT TO THE SOUTH. OKAY. WHICH I BELIEVE HAS BEEN ALREADY SUBMITTED TO THE STAFF FOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YEAH. IT'S JUST NOT FULLY PLATTED YET, SO, OKAY. JUST CURIOUS IF THAT WOULD ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED OR IF THAT WAS STILL, UH, UNDEVELOPED PLAN. SO, OR IN PLANNING. IT'S COME. OKAY. GOT IT. UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WORD, ACTUALLY. THANK YOU. UM, YEAH, I HAVE, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS REAL QUICK. I, I, WE'RE GONNA CHECK ON THE STAFF FOR YOU, THE STATUS FOR YOU AND GET BACK TO YOU, LANDON. OKAY. UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH PHASE HAS, BUT IT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, SO IT'S COME IN. OKAY. I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER. YEAH, I KNOW. I CAN'T REMEMBER STATUS WHERE TO STAND. SO WE HAVE SO MANY OF THEM. YEAH. ALL. SO I, I I, I THINK THEY'RE CLEARING RIGHT NOW. I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. SO THIS AREA HERE IS SUN CITY ALSO. YEAH. SO YOU'RE GONNA BE COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY SUN CITY, BASICALLY. OKAY. ESTABLISH THAT. OKAY. I HAVE QUESTIONS ON TRAFFIC, AND I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD, AND, AND WE, WE TAKE THESE QUESTIONS, WE TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY. UM, I'VE COME BY YOUR, YOUR, YOUR FACILITY DOWN ON BLUFFTON PARKWAY OR ON AND, UM, WHEN SCHOOL'S GETTING OUT, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC. A LOT OF TRAFFIC. UM, I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT BESIDES PARENTS DROPPING CHILDREN OFF, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SCHOOL BUSES COMING IN THERE ALSO, OR IS THAT AN ASSUMPTION I SHOULDN'T MAKE? WELL, SCHOOL BUSES EVOLVE BASED ON THE NEED. UH, WE DO NOT HAVE 40 FOOT SCHOOL BUSES. I THINK WE HAVE ONE NOW, ACTUALLY. OKAY. IT'S RARELY USED. THE REST OF 'EM ARE 20 PASSENGER IN THERE. THEY'RE NOT THAT FREQUENTLY USED. OKAY. UM, AND, AND I, I, I WANNA COMMENT ON YOUR, YOUR, YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC WE'VE JUST INSTALLED, UM, THE SCHOOL FLASHING ORANGE LIGHTS AND A, AND A SPEED LIMIT OF 20 MILES PER HOUR. MM-HMM . FRONT OF THE SCHOOL IN THE LAST YEAR. MM-HMM . I BELIEVE IT'S BEEN IN THE LAST YEAR. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A YEAR AND A HALF. YEP. IT'S BEEN VERY RECENTLY FOR THE VERY REASON YOU TALKED ABOUT, UH, AND WE HAVE NOW CONTROLLED THE EXITING FLOW OF CARS FROM THE CAMPUS TO RIGHT TURN ONLY OKAY. IN FRONT OF THE CAMPUS. AND THAT WAS A GOOD THING. AND EVEN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS DON'T DO THAT, BY THE WAY. YEAH. DOWN THE STREET, . BUT I'M GOING, I'M GONNA TELL YOU, OKAY. THAT, THAT SIGN AND A 20 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT IN SOUTH CAROLINA IS A SUGGESTION. THE SPEED LIMIT ON 2 78 IS A SUGGESTION. THE SPEED LIMIT ON BOULEVARD IS A SUGGESTION. NOW, WE RECENTLY HAVE HAD, UH, SEVERAL FATALITIES ON 2 78 BECAUSE OF SPEED AND PEOPLE NOT, NOT OBEYING TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND SO FORTH. I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN OUT THERE. AND, AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE AGE GROUP THAT YOU HAVE AT THAT SCHOOL, K THROUGH FOUR, THOSE ARE LITTLE CHILDREN. THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE KIDS THAT GOT THEIR WHOLE FUTURE HAD 'EM, I DON'T WANNA SEE ONE OF THEM [00:45:01] END UP LIKE THE ACCIDENT WE HAD DOWN ON 2 78 RECENTLY. WE HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS. UM, BUT THOSE CONCERNS WOULD EXIST ANYWHERE. SO OUR, OUR SOLUTIONS AND APPROACHES TO SOLUTIONS INCLUDE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO REDUCE THE SPEED OF TRAFFIC, WHICH REDUCES THE INCIDENTS OF ACCIDENTS. UH, WE HAVE ON OUR STAFF AT CROSS SCHOOLS CAMPUS AT BUCKWALTER, AND WE WILL DO THE SAME THING HERE AS, AS IT NECESSITATES, WE HAVE A FULL-TIME SECURITY OFFICER IN A PATROL CAR WITH THE WORDS POLICE ALL OVER IT THAT ARE EMPLOYED BY THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON FULL-TIME. AND WE PAY THEIR COST TO BE AT OUR CAMPUS AND WHEN NEEDED, THEY ARE OUT FRONT, UH, DOING THINGS TO CONTROL AND DIRECT TRAFFIC. WE DON'T YOU THINK THAT'S PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS WELL AS THE CITY? AND YES, THAT IS, THAT IS A FACT. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE SPEED LIMIT ON ADJUNCT BOULEVARD IS 45 AND 55 MILES AN HOUR. BRING IT DOWN. THAT'S UP TO THE STATE. WE CAN'T DO THAT. BUT YOU HAVE A VERY, VERY GOOD VOICE, . THEY WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. , I, OUR VOICE HASN'T DONE MUCH ON 2 78, BUT, BUT YOUR VOICE IS LOUDER THAN OURS ON THAT SUBJECT, . UM, AND, AND YOU, YOU, YOU SAY THAT ONCE THE, THE PATHWAY IS COMPLETED ALL THE WAY AROUND THAT PEOPLE WILL GO THAT WAY, I'M GONNA TELL YOU NO, THEY'RE NOT. NO, THEY WON'T. THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THE, THE, THE ROUTE OF LEAST RESISTANCE AND THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT AND THEY'RE GONNA TURN LEFT TO GET HYDROGEN PARKWAY. BUT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT THE CASE. THERE IS NO CHOICE. AND THAT CHOICE WILL BE AVAILABLE, AND I THINK IT WILL DEFINITELY HAVE A RELIEF FACTOR. I DROVE IT. MY, IN MY FOUR WHEEL DRIVE CAR, NEVER USED FOUR WHEEL DRIVE. I JUST KEPT GOING AND I CAN GET THROUGH THERE NOW. AND IT'S, IT'S ABOUT THAT FAR FROM BEING COMPLETED. SO IT'S A MIDSECTION COMPLETION PROGRAM. I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT, BUT HUMAN NATURE IS, IF, IF I'M COMING OUT AND I GOTTA GO THAT WAY, AND IT'S TWO MILES AND I CAN GO THIS WAY AND IT'S A QUARTER OF A MILE, I'M GOING THIS WAY. SO I DO WANNA, THERE'S SOME ASSUMPTIONS BEING MADE RIGHT NOW. AND I JUST WANNA RE REMIND EVERYBODY THOUGH, WHEN EAST SERGEANT PARKWAY CONNECTS, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ONLY THINKING ABOUT THE RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES DOWN HERE. AND YOU'VE GOT TWIN PONDS WITH MONGO HOMES, YOU HAVE A LOT OF ALL AGE COMMUNITIES ON THE PARKWAY. THERE COULD BE STUDENTS COMING FROM THOSE, THE RETREAT, THE HUNT CLUB SANCTUARY. IT, IT COULD BE THE PARK. SO DON'T, I WOULDN'T MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY'RE ALL COMING FROM POOL. WELL, I'M NOT MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY'RE ALL COMING FROM, I JUST WANNA BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT. SO OTHER THAN THAT, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. SO WE WILL OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. I HAVE ONE. I HAVE ONE. OH, YOU GOT ANOTHER FOLLOW UP? JUST TO, JUST TO COMMENT , AND IT KIND OF PIGGYBACKS OFF OF WHAT, WHAT I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY. I THINK THE KIDS, A LOT OF KIDS ARE ALREADY THERE. UM, I THINK THAT NUMBER ONE, THIS IS HARD TO RESIST THIS COMING IN TO A, ANY COMMUNITY. UM, I THINK IT THOSE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA LEAVE AND THEY'RE GONNA GO EITHER FURTHER OR THEY'RE GONNA COME RIGHT HERE. AND, AND THIS MIGHT, WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT THIS A LITTLE WRONG. I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A, A GOOD THING. UM, ESPECIALLY FOR THE ALL THE FAMILIES THAT ALREADY LIVED THERE AND ALL THE FAMILIES THAT ARE ABOUT TO BE THERE. UM, THIS IS A WIN-WIN, UM, FOR THAT. NOW I'M, I'M REAL CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC. I AM, BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY, REALLY A GOOD THING FOR US IN THAT AREA. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THAT COMMENT ALSO SPURRED A THOUGHT. AND THAT IS THE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE CLOSE BY WILL HOPEFULLY REDUCE TRAFFIC IN THAT SENSE BECAUSE THEY'LL, THEY WILL COME HERE, THEY WILL COME HERE. THIS WILL BE AN AFFORDABLE PLACE FOR THEM TO HAVE AS AN OPTION. I AGREE. ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COM? UH, COMMISSION, UH, YOU HAVE ONE ON THE MAP HERE. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE THE PEDESTRIAN WALK IS THERE, IS THAT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE, OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE THERE? OR IS IT JUST ON THE ONE SIDE? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ON EAST SERGEANT PARKWAY? YEAH, THE, THE PEDESTRIAN WALK, THE EIGHT FOOT TRAIL RIGHT HERE. I SEE IT'S ON THE ONE SIDE. IS IT ON BOTH SIDES? CORRECT. YEAH. WE'RE SHOWING ONE RIGHT HERE. YEAH. SO IT'S, IT WILL COME DOWN HERE BY THE WETLANDS ALSO. I BELIEVE IT, IT, WE HAVE TO JUMP THE ROAD HERE. MM-HMM . UM, BECAUSE WE CAN'T IMPACT THIS WETLAND. SO THE PLAN IS TO CONNECT BACK OVER AND THERE WILL BE SAFE CROSSING THERE. [00:50:01] WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I DO SAFE CROSSING . WELL, WE'LL HAVE A CROSSWALK, A DESIGNATED CROSSWALK FOR PEDESTRIANS. AND BETWEEN THAT AND THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER, THAT CAN BE A SAFE CROSSING AT THAT POINT. UM, ANYONE ELSE? GOOD. OKAY. TRUST ME, I'M NOT AGAINST THIS PROJECT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT, BUT I, I'M JUST, I'M, I, I HAVE CONCERN FOR, FOR THE KIDS. I REALLY DO. SO HAVING SAID THAT, AND NO MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, I WILL OPEN WHAT, I WILL OPEN THIS UP TO THE PUBLIC AND I WILL REMIND THE PUBLIC, PLEASE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. [PUBLIC COMMENT] PLEASE BE CONCERTI CON COURTEOUS TO THE DEVELOPER AND THIS COMMISSION. YES. IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND WHERE YOU LIVE. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS TED MOY. I REPRESENT DISTRICT EIGHT ON THE JASPER COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD. I ACT SUPERINTENDENT IS ALSO IN THE BACK. I WANT TO THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN THIS MORNING FOR INCLUDING US AND ASKING THEM IF THEY HAD SPOKE WITH US RECENTLY. YOU KNOW, THAT THE JASPER COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT PASSED A $130 REFERENDUM TO BUILD NEW FACILITIES THERE IN JASPER COUNTY. AND THE AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, A LITTLE TO THE NORTH ON BEES CREEK ROAD, WE ARE BUILDING A NEW LEARNING EARLY FACILITY FROM SIX, FROM SIX MONTHS OLD, EXCUSE ME, TO THREE OR FOUR YEARS OLD. ONE ON THE HARDY AND HERE ON BEES CREEK, I MEAN CHURCH ROAD AND ONE ON BEES CREEK ROAD. WE BILLING IN OTHER FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, WORKING WITH THE EDUCATION COMMUNITIES. SO WE DON'T DUPLICATE SERVICES THAT THE COUNTY CAN OFFER FOR FREE. THESE ARE CHARGES. THESE SCHOOLS ARE CHARTERS OR THEY CHARGE FOR EDUCATION. WE MUST EDUCATE EVERY CHILD THAT COMES TO OUR DOOR. WE ARE GIVING THEM OPPORTUNITIES. WE CAN OFFER THEM MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES. I SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, UM, COMPETITION. AND WE NEED NEW, UM, OTHER EDUCATION FACILITIES IN THE COUNTY. BUT I THINK WE ALL SHOULD BE ON THE SAME PAGE. AND EVERYONE SHOULDN'T KEEP COMING INTO THE COUNTY AND BUILDING SCHOOL AND DISRESPECTING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, NOT EVEN CONTACTING US, SAYING THAT WE ARE INTERESTED. CAN WE WORK TOGETHER? WHAT CAN WE DO? WE KNOW THERE IS A ISSUE WITH EDUCATION IN JASPER COUNTY, BUT DON'T COME IN HERE AND TAKE OVER OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT. WORK WITH US TO MAKE IT BETTER. AND DON'T KEEP TELLING US THAT OUR DISTRICT IS BAD, BECAUSE IT'S NOT. WE ARE MOVING THE NEEDLE FURTHER THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE. SO I'M ASKING YOU ALL TO PLEASE CONSIDER THIS TRAFFIC STUDY BECAUSE WE ARE GONNA BILL A FOUR, I MEAN A, A EARLY CHILD CENTER OUT ON BEES CREEK ROAD. IT'S GONNA CONNECT OFF OF GLOVER ROAD. ALL THIS IS GONNA BE RUNNING RIGHT TOGETHER. SO PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE COMMUNICATES AND BE ON THE SAME PAGE. OUR ACTING SUPERINTENDENTS HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING, SIR, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME OUT AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING AND LET THEM KNOW HOW THEY CAN WORK WITH US TO MAKE THIS COUNTY EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM BETTER FOR ALL. I AM A PRODUCT OF THE, UM, PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THEY GET A DAMN GOOD JOB WITH ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. MORNING SEAN. MORNING SAM. WACK. I'M THE ACTING SUPERINTENDENT HERE IN JASPER COUNTY SCHOOLS. AGAIN, I ECHO, UH, THE SENTIMENTS OF OUR, UH, BOARD MEMBER. I WOULD JUST SAY TO, UH, THE UPCOMING FACILITY OR PERSONS IN CHARGE OF THAT. UH, WE WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE TWO EARLY LEARNING CENTERS THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE BIRTHED TO ABOUT FIVE OR SIX YEARS OLD. UH, AND OF COURSE THERE'S A, THERE'S TREMENDOUS GROWTH. UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY, PEOPLE HAVE CHOICES FOR EDUCATION. UH, AND MY PERSONAL BELIEF IS MAKING JASPER COUNTY THE BEST CHOICE. AND ULTIMATELY THAT'S UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL FAMILY TO MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT THEY WANNA MAKE. UH, BUT WE DO, OF COURSE, ENCOURAGE THAT. I'M A PUBLIC SCHOOL PERSON AS WELL. GREW UP IN IT. UH, WE ENCOURAGE, UH, QUALITY OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR STUDENTS ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT ULTIMATELY, UH, WE'RE JUST A PHONE CALL AWAY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE CON CONVERSATIONS. I CAN TELL YOU NOW, THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE A LOT ARE WITH BUSING BECAUSE OUR BUS NUMBERS HAVE GONE JUST IN THE SCOPE OF THIS YEAR. WE'VE INCREASED ABOUT 10 DIFFERENT BUSES THAT ARE ON THE ROAD, WHICH WILL AFFECT THIS. OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE MORE BUSES BECAUSE WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF [00:55:01] STUDENTS THAT ARE ATTENDING THESE FACILITIES. WHEN WE OPEN THESE TWO NEW FACILITIES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT VIA TRAFFIC. MOST OF OUR EARLY LEARNING CHILDREN ARE BROUGHT THROUGH BY CARS. PREDOMINANTLY. NOT ALL, BUT PREDOMINANTLY. BUT WE WILL OFFER BUSES BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF SOUTH CAROLINA AND WHAT WE DO OFFER. SO I JUST SAY TO YOU ALL, THINK CAREFULLY ON THE WHOLE SITUATION. UH, AGAIN, WE ARE HERE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, WORK WITH, UH, ANYONE WHO COMES TO TOWN, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GIVING JASPER'S IS THE BEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? GOING ONCE, TWICE. OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR PARTIAL 0 6 7 0 0 0 1 1 0 7. BE KNOWN AS CROSS SCHOOLS OF EAST ARGENT. I SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION. I HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED A CONSIDERATION OF A TAX AMENDMENT FOR THE MIN MUNICIPAL ZONING DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. MS. DOE, SECTION [CONSIDERATION OF A TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE MUNICIPAL ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE (MZDO)] 2.6, TRANSECT ZONING. T THREE. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS. [I.] UH, I AM BACK TO DISCUSS DOWNTOWN HARDY V AND OUR TRANSECT ZONE ORDINANCE. UM, [SECTION 2.6 TRANSECT ZONE T-3] SO JUST SO FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, I KNOW PLANNING COMMISSION WORKED HARD ON OUR WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD MASTER PLAN, AS WELL AS DEVELOPMENT OF OUR TRANSECT ZONES. BUT, UH, TRANSECT ZONES ARE AN OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT APPLIES ACROSS, UH, EXISTING ZONING. UM, SO WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE TEXT AMENDMENT, UH, IN UPDATING THOSE CODES OF REGULATIONS THAT APPLY TO, UH, PARCELS IN DOWNTOWN HARVILLE. JUST A REMINDER FROM OUR MZDO, HERE ARE THE EXISTING TRANSECT ZONES, UM, T FIVE BEING, UH, THE OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS FOR THE MOST DENSE DEVELOPMENT, T FOUR BEING IN BETWEEN AND T THREE BEING, UM, WHAT THE CODE LISTS AS A TRANSITIONARY ZONE. SO WE'RE HERE TO REALLY DISCUSS HOW THE MOST DENSE PARTS OF DOWNTOWN TRANSITION INTO OUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. AND WE'VE GOT THREE ITEMS BEFORE YOU, UM, IN CONSIDERATION, UM, THROUGHOUT DOWNTOWN. UM, NUMBER ONE, UM, WAS REALLY IN RESPONSE TO A PREVIOUS, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING CASE THAT CAME BEFORE, UH, THE COMMISSION, UM, INVOLVING THE T THREE DISTRICT ON SAL'S COURT. UM, AS A RESULT OF THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, UM, OUR PROPOSAL IS TO REMOVE THE T THREE OVERLAY ON 30 SPECIFIC PARCELS THAT ARE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UH, PARCELS. YOU CAN SEE THEM OUTLINED HERE, UM, IN BLACK. AND, UM, REALLY JUST THIS AREA HERE. UM, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE YELLOW AREA IS. THE T THREE DISTRICT, UM, IN THAT AREA WE'RE PROPOSED TO, UH, LEAVE THE T THREE ON FOUR EXISTING PARCELS SO THAT IT REALLY DOES SERVE TO FUNCTION AS THAT TRANSITIONARY PERIOD WHILE, UH, LIFTING THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS, OR NOT REQUIREMENTS, I SHOULD SAY. THE, UM, THE CODE BASICALLY ENABLES GREATER DENSITY THROUGH THE T THREE OVERLAY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE BASICALLY PROPOSING JUST TO HAVE STANDARD ZONING. UM, ON THE OUTLINE PARCELS, THAT'S JUST A LIST OF THE PARCELS, REALLY JUST CHARLES STREET AND SAL'S COURT. UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, ALSO HAS TO DEAL WITH THE T THREE DISTRICT. UM, CURRENTLY THE TRANSECT ZONE FOR T THREE, AGAIN, I MENTIONED IT'S, THE CODE DESCRIBES IT AS A TRANSITIONARY ZONE, BUT IT CURRENTLY DOES ALLOW FOR, UM, UP TO 16 UNITS PER ACRE OF LAND. UM, OUR PROPOSAL, AGAIN, TAKING IN THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK IS TO LOWER THAT BY 50% DOWN TO EIGHT LIVING UNITS PER ACRE. UM, SO THIS WOULD LIMIT THE, THE AMOUNT OF DENSITY ALLOWED WITHIN THOSE TRANSITIONARY PARCELS, WHICH, IF ITEM NUMBER ONE SHOULD BE RECOMMENDED TO CITY COUNCIL, THIS WOULD BE AFFECTING THOSE FOUR REMAINING PARCELS. ITEM NUMBER THREE, UM, REALLY HAS TO DO, UM, THROUGHOUT DOWNTOWN HARDY. IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO THE T THREE DISTRICT, UH, BUT OUR PROPOSAL IS TO ALLOW FOR SHARED PARKING WITHIN THE TRANSECT ZONES. [01:00:01] UM, THE BELIEF IS THAT THIS WOULD ENCOURAGE THE INTENT OF THE WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS TO REALLY FOSTER, UM, A WALKABLE AREA IN, IN DOWNTOWN, UM, BY REMOVING CONSTRAINTS REALLY ON OUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. AND WE'VE GOT SOME KIND OF PECULIAR SHAPED PARCELS THROUGHOUT DOWNTOWN. THIS WOULD KIND OF ALLOW THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDINGS TO WORK TOGETHER TO REALLY BUILD A MORE VIBRANT DISTRICT, UM, WITHOUT CONSTRAINTS, PARCEL BY PARCEL AS OUR, OUR CODE CURRENTLY REQUIRES. UM, SO AGAIN, OUR, OUR ANALYSIS IS REALLY JUST ZONING CODE IS, IS, UH, CAN BE A FLUID AND DYNAMIC DOCUMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TAKE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK VERY SERIOUSLY WHEN IT COMES BEFORE US. AND, UM, THIS IS PART OF OUR STAFF'S DUTY TO, TO YOU AND THE CITY TO, TO REALLY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALSO PART OF THE LARGER PROCESS THAT, UM, SHOULD THESE RECOMMENDATIONS BE, UM, APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THEY WOULD ALSO GO FURTHER BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. UM, SO WITH THAT, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. WE GO BACK TO THE MAP. YES. I'M GONNA START WITH, UH, RON. DON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND IT, THE YELLOW AREA RIGHT NOW IS TT THREE. T THREE. YES SIR. IT, IT'S STILL T THREE. SO WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE YES. IF, IF WE GO, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE OVERALL MAP? YEP. SO, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME YELLOW AREA HERE. MM-HMM . LABELED T THREE. IT'S REALLY JUST THESE TWO RESIDENTIAL STREETS, THE CUL-DE-SAC ON SAUL'S COURT AND CHARLES STREET, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FOUR PARCELS. IT'S AN, IT'S AN OVERLAY. SO THERE IS A BASE ZONING STILL. UM, BUT THIS IS AN OVERLAY THAT HAS ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS OR RECOMMENDATIONS ON IT. SO ARE WE, ARE WE REDUCING DENSITY OR SO WE'RE REDUCING THE LEVEL OF WHAT STAFF LOOKS AT WHEN PROJECTS COME THROUGH. SO RIGHT NOW, UM, SAY ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS WERE TO BE DEMOLISHED, UM, THE T THREE OVERLAY DISTRICT WOULD APPLY TO ANY NEW STRUCTURES PROPOSED FOR THAT PROPERTY. MEANING THAT THE, THE CODE BASICALLY ENABLES AND ENCOURAGES GREATER DENSITY BEYOND WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY IS DESIRED IN THAT AREA. SO INCREASED DENSITY, WE'RE TAKING THAT OFF. WE'RE, WE'RE REMOVING THE REMOVE. OKAY. ENCOURAGED DENSITY. GOT IT. WE'RE NOT CHANGING IT FROM T THREE, IT'S GONNA REMAIN T THREE FOUR PARCELS WILL REMAIN T THREE. UM, THE 30 OUTLINED IN BLACK WOULD BE REMOVED. IT IS A LITTLE HARD TO SEE THAT. LEMME THIS. OH, THANK YOU. IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE THAT BLACK. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING, AND I'M SORRY, I SHAKE THESE PARCELS HERE AND THESE PARCELS HERE AND THEN THIS YOU RIGHT. LEAVING THE TWO ON SAUL'S COURT. UM, ONE BEHIND THE CHURCH ON CHARLES AND THEN THE ONE ON GAR STREET, BUT ALL THE REST WOULD BE REMOVED FROM T THREE. THEY WOULD STILL BE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING, BUT NO LONGER HAVE THE OVERLAY FOR T THREE. BUT WHAT, WHICH IS WHAT JOE'S SAYING, BUT THE WHOLE AREA WILL STILL REMAIN T THREE? NO, JUST THOSE FOUR PARCELS. JUST THOSE FOUR PARCELS. THE WHOLE AREA WILL REMAIN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. IT'S CONFUSING. I DON'T THINK HIS HEAD IS ON THERE RIGHT NOW. NO, I'M TRYING TO THE OTHER WAY. . OKAY. THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT SAUL'S COURT, UM, CUL-DE-SAC HERE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. YES, SIR. OKAY. WHERE THESE WERE THE TWO THAT WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH BEFORE, SINCE I DID A LOT OF THE OTHER ONE. I'M GONNA STAND UP AND HELP JOE. THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS UNDER QUESTION. YES. THESE TWO FRONT PARCELS. YEP. SO WE ARE LEAVING THAT IN T THREE. MM-HMM . THAT PARCEL. BUT WE ARE REDUCING THE ALLOWED DENSITY IN T THREE. MM-HMM . BUT THAT THE REST OF 'EM WON'T BE IN THERE. SO WHAT HAS CHANGED ON THE ONE THAT I'M REAL CONCERNED WITH IS THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. WHAT, [01:05:01] WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD ON THIS I'M ASKING FOR IN THIS CHAIN, AND I'LL TRY TO PARAPHRASE IT A LITTLE BIT. UM, IS THAT THE, THE ALLOW DENSITY, WHICH WHEN WE WENT FOR BEFORE WAS 16 UNITS PER ACRE ON THAT, ON THAT BACK, BACK PARCEL, UM, OF REZONING, THIS REDUCES THAT OVERALL ALLOW DENSITY TO EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE. AND IT ALLOWS FOR THE SHARED PARKING THAT, THAT WAS THE OTHER THING THAT WOULD WE, WE DID NOT ALLOW. THAT'S WHY WE WERE TRYING TO, TO CHANGE IT BEFORE NOW WE'RE ALLOWING THAT SHARED PARKING TO, UM, TO WORK. SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE OVERALL GIST THERE. AND IT WAS NOT, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IT CAME UP, WE, WE REALIZED IT FROM THIS REQUEST THAT WE HAD A FEW MONTHS BACK, BUT WE KNEW THAT IN THE FUTURE WE WERE GONNA HAVE THIS WITH A LOT OF PROPERTIES AND WE WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T WANT T THREE ALL THE WAY BACK AT THE END OR, OR ENCROACHING INTO SAUL'S COURT OR DOWN CHARLES STREET. WHAT IS THE ALLOWED DENSITY ACROSS THE STREET THERE WHERE IT'S T 5 16 16, WHICH WAS THE SAME AS T THREE CURRENTLY? YES, CORRECT. WE'RE TRYING TO FIX THAT. UH, ARE THERE ANY IN, IN THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE CHANGING, ARE ANY OF THEM PRE-EXISTING NON-CONFORMING WITH THE CHANGE? WE DON'T HAVE ANY. WHEN I WALKED IT, THEY, THEY WERE ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, AND ONE OR TWO VACANT LOTS. OKAY. THE TOPOGRAPHY IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT THERE FOR DENSITY AS WELL. UM, IT, IT GOES DOWN PRETTY LOW, UM, IN SOME AREAS. UM, BUT THEY'RE ALL SINGLE FAMILY LY. THE, THE SHARED PARKING PROVISION THAT WILL ONLY BE FOR THOSE 30, UH, PROPERTIES THAT CHANGE. UM, NO SIR. SO, SO THE SHARED PARKING WILL APPLY ACROSS BASICALLY ALL OF THE OTHER PARCELS THAT ARE PROPOSED TO REMAIN IN TRANSECT ZONES, SO INCLUDING T FIVE AND ALL THE OTHER? CORRECT. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. UH, ALL MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED YESTERDAY. THANK YOU. CHAD DID. GOOD JOB. OKAY. I THINK I UNDERSTAND IT. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. NOT EASY. UM, IT REMAINS T THREE, BUT YOU'RE JUST GONNA CHANGE THE DENSITY, JUST FOUR PARCELS ON FOUR PARCELS. OKAY. SO, BUT THAT WON'T AFFECT OTHER T THREE AREAS AROUND THE CITY. THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES. YES. GOTCHA. OKAY. THREE. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT [PUBLIC COMMENT] ON THE CHANGE? OH, WE DO. GOOD MORNING. MEMBERS OF, UH, COMMISSION SHEDRICK COLEMAN SHED ARCHITECTURE, BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU A NUMBER OF TIMES TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT WAS GOING ON HERE. UH, SPOKEN WITH MY CLIENT, WE REVIEWED THE INFORMATION AND WE HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THESE CHANGES AND APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE BY STAFF AND THROUGH THE WORKSHOP THAT WE HAD. SO WE'RE OKAY WITH WHERE WE'RE GOING HERE. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GREAT. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, . HEY, HOW ARE Y'ALL? JONATHAN BULLARD. UM, I REALLY DON'T THINK THIS IS GETTING US ANYWHERE AS FAR AS, YOU'RE STILL LEAVING THOSE TWO LOTS ON A DEAD END STREET AND THEN THEY'RE ASKING FOR SHARED PARKING, WHICH IS THE SAME THING THAT WAS IN QUESTION AT LAST MEETING. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT THIS HAS GOTTEN, THIS AMENDMENT IS, IS GENERALLY GOTTEN US NOWHERE. UM, THE PEOPLE IN CONCERN ARE THE RESIDENTS OF CALL SAUL'S COURT, AND THAT'S ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN HERE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FOUR LOTS. I GET IT. BUT THOSE TWO LOTS AT THE FRONT OF SAUL'S COURT, I MEAN, ON A DEAD END ROAD, UM, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DIVERT TRAFFIC ON A DEAD END ROAD. YOU KNOW, IT, IT PASSES TWICE. SO THAT'S, UH, OUR CONCERN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR CONCERN LAST TIME WAS THE SHARED PARKING LOT AND SO FAR WE HAVEN'T CHANGED ANYTHING THAT WOULD STILL GO THROUGH AS WE LOOKED AT IT LAST TIME. CAN I, CAN I ADD SOMETHING ON THAT? MM-HMM . SHARED PARKING IS INTERNAL. IT IS NOT GONNA BE ON THE OUTSKIRTS. IT'S GONNA BE REALLY SHARED BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS. SO THE FRONT TWO LOTS. SO, UM, [01:10:01] I HOPE THAT THAT TELLS YOU IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST SHARED PARKING BIG, HUGE LOTS. 'CAUSE WE CAN'T ALLOW THAT AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT IN A DOWNTOWN AREA, RIGHT. THERE IS THAT WHERE THE LOT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE, THE STRUCTURE WILL BE. MM-HMM . THEY'LL BE FACING THE FRONT BUILDING. WILL THERE BE PARKING BETWEEN THAT? UM, NO, THAT NO UTILITY EASEMENT. THAT'S THE UTILITY EASEMENT. BUT BETWEEN THAT AND THE BUILDING, UM, HERE, LET ME USE THE GREEN ONE AND I'LL SHOW YOU . THE SHARED PARKING WILL BE ON THIS, THIS PROPERTY LINE. AND, AND, AND SO THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT I HAVE, AND HE HAS IS WE'D BE REAL INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE BETWEEN THE EASEMENT THERE AND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. AND AS FAR AS THE DISTANCE OR BUFFER, THAT'S JUST BUFFER. UM, THAT'S ALL OF OUR LOT, OUR LOVE HOURS ZONING ORDINANCE HAVE A BUFFER BETWEEN. CAN YOU, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THAT WOULD BE? THAT BUFFER WOULD BE BETWEEN THE BUILDING? DEPENDS ON, IT'LL DEPEND ON THE USE AND EVERYTHING. ALTHOUGH THAT COMES FROM WHEN WE GO TO THE STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND ALL OF THAT. WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE ORDINANCES. SO NOTHING HAS BEEN APPROVED TO BE BUILT ON THAT LOT? NO. OKAY. NO. NOW WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, ALL THIS IS DOING IS LOWERING HOW MANY UNITS. WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT IN A PLACE WHERE THAT, UM, WE CAN REVIEW IT AND, AND NOT HAVE, UM, OBSTACLES FOR EITHER SIDE. I MEAN, WE DIDN'T WANT, WE DON'T WANT THE PARKING LOT BESIDE THESE PERSON, THESE PEOPLE'S HOMES. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT A, A APPROPRIATE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DOES FULFILL THE NEEDS OF THE WHITE HARD BOULEVARD MASTER PLAN, BUT ALSO PROTECTS THE RESIDENTS. WE'RE TRYING TO DO BOTH. WE ARE NOT GOING TO JUST PUT A PARKING LOT BESIDE THIS, THIS GENTLEMAN'S HOUSE, BUT THEY DID BRING UP A, A RENDERING OF THAT, THAT, THAT THEIR RENDERING DID NOT SHOW PARKING NEXT TO THIS GENTLEMAN'S HOUSE. BUT THAT IS NOT UNDER CONSIDERATION TODAY. THIS IS ABOUT THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY IT SO THAT, UM, YEAH. UH, WE, WE DO NOT ALLOW THAT IN ANY OF OUR ZONING DISTRICTS AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, UM, THE MCDO AND, UM, THE WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD MASTER PLAN. WE ARE TRYING TO, TO PRO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES AND OUR NEIGHBORS AND ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WOULD LIKE ALONG MAIN STREET AND WHITE HARDY. NO. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? DO THE COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? HEARING NONE. THE MOTION DIES. SO FALLS BACK IN YOUR COURT. ALL CLARIFICATION THAT GOES TO THAT WILL BE MOVED FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL. WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION OF DISAPPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU. OKAY. THE LAST, WELL, NO IT ISN'T. UM, NEXT, UH, PIECE OF NEW BUSINESS SECTION 3.6 FOOD TRUCKS. [SECTION 3.6 FOOD TRUCKS] MORNING. OH, WE'RE GONNA GET TO GRILL YOU GOOD? OH GOSH, DON'T DO IT. UM, IT'S FOOD TRUCKS, RIGHT? YEAH, FOOD TRUCKS. UM, SO WE WANTED TO DO A LITTLE UPDATE ON OUR FOOD TRUCK ORDINANCE BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY IT SPOKE TO JUST PERMANENT LOCATIONS, ALLOWING JUST THREE LOCATIONS IN THE CITY. UM, AND WE HAVE FOUND THAT THAT REALLY DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO GO INTO THE COMMUNITIES LIKE SUN CITY, MARGARITAVILLE, HURS, STONE LAKES, AND IT REALLY DIDN'T ALLOW FOR THEM TO BE THERE ON A PERMANENT BASIS. SO WE WANTED TO ADD A TEMPORARY LOCATION FOR OUR MOBILE VENDING UNITS. AND BASICALLY IT ALLOWS THEM TO COME INTO THE CITY. THEY COME AND SPEAK TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL GIVE US THEIR SITE PLAN. SO LET'S SAY THEY WANNA GO TO HEARST THOUGH, AND THEY'LL TELL US WHERE THEY WANT TO SET UP. AND, UM, WE REVIEW IT WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE LOCATION AS WELL. AND THEN IF THEY DECIDE TO GO TO SUN CITY, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A ACTIVE PERMIT, I GUESS. IT STAYS KIND OF OPEN. SO EACH TIME THEY GO TO A NEW LOCATION, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO REACH OUT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE PARKING PLAN, UM, AND LOCATION OF SETUP. SO WE JUST WANTED TO ADD THE TEMPORARY LOCATION [01:15:01] IN HERE TO ALLOW MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE FOOD TRUCKS THAT ARE COMING TO THE CITY. AND THEN WE JUST DID SOME, SOME OF THE OTHER REDLINED AREAS WERE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CLEANING UP FROM THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE APPROVAL. BRINGING IT INTO . YEAH. BRING IT INTO MORE HOW, YOU KNOW, STANDARDS. SO DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE TEMPORARY PORTION? I'M GONNA DO THAT WITH JEFF. I I DO HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH. AND, AND IT'S NOT WITH YOUR CHANGES THERE, BUT I, I TRIED TO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH ABOUT THIS. A LITTLE RESEARCH CAN ALWAYS BE A DANGEROUS THING. UM, AND I MAY BE OFF BASE HERE BECAUSE MAYBE THIS HAS ALL CHANGED, BUT I SEE THAT WE REQUIRE COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, DEC YES. STANDARDS AND SO ON. BUT ISN'T IT THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE THAT REGULATES US ON IT'S DHC? WELL, ONLINE IT SAYS, UH, DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE REGULATION 61 25 RETAIL FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS. UM, THEY REGULATE ALL KINDS OF THINGS WITH REGARD. IS THAT, IS THAT NOT ANYMORE OR MM-HMM. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM AS DH YEAH. D H'S ALWAYS BEEN THE, THE BODY THAT IN THE, IN THE ONLINE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURAL REGULATIONS. THEY, FOR EXAMPLE, ADDRESS, UM, I DON'T KNOW, THE, UH, PRINTING AND LOGOS ON THE TRUCK, THE WATER SOURCE AND THE AMOUNT OF WATER, THE, UM, OFF THE PERMANENT OFF LOCATION, WHICH THEY REFER TO AS A COMMISSARY MM-HMM . UM, WE REQUIRE THEM TO PROVIDE ALL THAT INFORMATION TO US. YEAH. WELL, CAN I JUST ASK THAT BEFORE YOU MOVE AHEAD WITH THIS, THAT YOU CHECK AND SEE WHETHER THOSE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE STANDARDS IN SOUTH CAROLINA ARE NO, NO LONGER EXIST? THEY'RE STILL ONLINE. THEY COULD BE FOREVER. YOU, WE'LL CHECK IT OUT, SIR. YEAH, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU, RICK. JUST OVERALL, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS TIES IN, BUT IT, IT KIND OF CONCERNS ME. UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY HARD FOR A RESTAURANT TO MAKE IT IN HARDY BILL AS IT IS. UM, AND IF WE ALLOW A BUNCH OF FOOD TRUCKS TO COME IN, IT, IT SURE. UH, IT MAKES AN UNLEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, UM, WHO HAVE BRICK AND MORTARS. UM, AND THEN IF WE BRING, SAY, FOUR, UM, REST OR TRUCKS IN, UM, I CAN SEE WHERE THAT REALLY HURTS. THE, THE, UH, I'LL JUST SAY ME TO RITAS, FOR INSTANCE MM-HMM . IF WE GET FOUR COMPETITORS IN HERE, I CAN SEE THEY'RE, THEY'RE STRUGGLING AS IT IS. UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING FOR THESE BRICK AND MORTARS. JUST, JUST, I I CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE, WE CAN UNDERMINE THEM PRETTY QUICK. SO WE'VE, UM, IN THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WE HAVE WHERE THEY CAN'T BE WITHIN 150 FEET OF THOSE RESTAURANTS, IF THEY COME WITHIN, UM, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO GET APPROVAL FROM THOSE RESTAURANTS. THEY HAVE TO GET IT IN WRITING THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH THEM BEING THERE. I UNDERSTAND. GO AHEAD. ALSO, ALSO, WE HAVE, THESE ARE EXISTING STANDARDS. WE'RE JUST UPDATING THE RED SECTION. YEAH. AND SO RIGHT NOW FOOD TRUCKS ARE ALREADY CURRENTLY ALLOWED MM-HMM . AND HAVE BEEN, UM, FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. SO, BUT THIS UPDATE IS FOR THE RED STUFF. RED LINE. WELL, YOU'RE BRINGING IT RIGHT IN WITH THAT RIGHT THERE. YOU, I GOT YOU. OKAY. DONE. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A COUPLE EASY QUESTIONS. I'M SURE, UH, EASY QUESTIONS, HARD ANSWERS. DO WE ARE, WHAT ARE THE INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR MOBILE TRUCKS FOR FOOD VENDORS? UM, WE DON'T GET INTO THE INSURANCE DETAILS AT, AT ZONING. I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT LOCATION, SAFETY, CIRCULATION. OKAY. THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, THEY DO HAVE TO PROVIDE, SO OUR FIRE MARSHAL AND FIRE INSPECTOR INSPECT EVERY SINGLE FOOD TRUCK THAT COMES IN THE CITY FOR COMPLIANCE. AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR, THERE'S A STICKER THAT DEC PUTS IN MM-HMM . TO EACH FOOD TRUCK SHOWING THAT THEY'VE INSPECTED IT AND PASSED IT AS WELL. SO, UM, I MEAN, AS FAR AS INSURANCE GOES, THAT'S, THAT'S ON THE OWNER OF THE FOOD TRUCK LICENSE. AND IT'S PROBABLY, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE BUSINESS LICENSE DEPARTMENT REQUIRES AS PART OF THEIR APPROVAL. GOT IT. THE, UM, THE ONE SECTION HERE, UH, UNDER PERMANENT LOCATION, THE LAST SENTENCE I'M CONFUSED WITH SAYS IN SUCH A CASE WHERE THERE'S NO MORE THAN ONE MOBILE VENDING UNIT PROPOSED AND IT TALKS ABOUT O NO OVERLAP. YEAH. SO [01:20:01] IF WE HAVE, LET'S SAY THEY WANNA SET UP, UM, ON RICK'S PROPERTY HERE AT THE CORNER. WE HAVE A FOOD TRUCK DOWN THERE NOW MM-HMM . UM, IF ANOTHER FOOD TRUCK VENDOR WERE TO COME IN AND WANT TO SET UP ON THE SAME CORNER, UM, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BOTH BE SET UP THERE AT THE SAME TIME. SO THAT'S THE OVERLAP. SO IT'S COMPETING. THEY HAVE SEPARATE HOURS TO COMPETING. CORRECT. YEAH. THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO BE ON THE SAME PROPERTY. THERE WAS ONE OTHER QUESTION. UM, DO NOT REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS. OH, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, UM, MARGARITAVILLE DECIDED TO DO AN EVENT MM-HMM . AND THEY WENT TO HAVE THREE OR FOUR FOOD TRUCKS FROM DIFFERENT COMPANIES THERE. AND OF COURSE THEY GOT ALL APPROVALS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND THEY DECIDED A MONTH LATER THEY WANNA DO THE SAME THING. HOW OFTEN DO THEY HAVE TO GO BACK AND GET REAPPROVED? THEY NEEDS TO, UM, CONTACT THE CITY AND LET US KNOW THEY'RE BEING EACH TIME. YEAH. EACH TIME. AND IT'S WRITTEN AS A CONDITION OF THEIR PERMIT WHEN WE ISSUE IT WITH ZONING. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. UM, SO JUST AN UPDATE TO WHAT YOU HAD SAID. AS OF JULY 1ST, 2024, THE DUTIES ARE, WERE HANDLED PRIOR TO 20 JULY, 2024. THESE DUTIES WERE HANDLED BY DHEC. THEY ARE NOW UNDER THE, UM, SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE. OKAY. SO IF YOU NEED TO UPDATE, SO THAT'S NEW TOO. I DIDN'T, I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT, SO, NO. UM, YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME STICKER, CORRECT? YEAH. IT'S JUST IF, IF YOU NEED, WHILE WE'RE UPDATING VERBIAGE, IF YOU NEED TO UPDATE THAT NOW AS WELL AND JUST TO OBVIOUSLY VERIFY WHAT IS ON THEIR WEBSITE, BUT JUST A NOTE ON THAT. OKAY. UM, AND AS A DOWNTOWN HARDY RESIDENT, FOOD CHOICES ARE ALWAYS GOOD. SO , BUT I, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S CONCERN FOR EXISTING. ABSOLUTELY. BUT, UM, I THINK A LOT OF THEM HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE PIECES AND JUST, I MEAN, WE HAVE, ESPECIALLY ON THAT END, OR JUST MARIE METRI AS AN EXAMPLE, THERE'S PRETTY MUCH NO FOOD TRUCK THAT CAN GO INTO THAT AREA AT ALL. RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY'RE HIT ON BOTH SIDES. SO WE'RE PRETTY, I'VE, WE'VE NOT ALLOWED QUITE A FEW TO GO DOWN IN THAT AREA. SO, I MEAN, IT IS ACTUALLY PRETTY HARD TO GET A FOOD TRUCK APPROVAL RIGHT. IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA AS IT IS BECAUSE OF ALL THE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE ALREADY DOWN THERE. SO WE ARE VERY VIGILANT OF THAT. AND THE ONE IS, IS THERE NOW AT, UM, JOHN SMITH. I MEAN, THEY'RE PRETTY NEAT. A NICE SETUP. UM, THAT IS A NICE SETUP. MM-HMM . AND THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A PERMANENT LOCATION? THEY ARE CONSIDERED PERMANENT. YEAH. THEY CAME IN FOR PERMANENT TO JUST BE THERE. GREAT. AND THEY CLEANED IT UP A LITTLE BIT. SO IT LOOKS A LOT. IT IT DOES. IT'S NICE OUT THERE. MM-HMM . I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. UM, YOU SAID THE FIRE DEPARTMENT INSPECTS SOME FOR SAFETY MM-HMM . SO ON, SO FORTH. OKAY. WHAT ABOUT HEALTH ISSUES? THAT'S, UM, WELL, DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE NOW, WELL, STICKERS. YEAH. BUT EXACTLY MY QUESTION IS, ARE THEY INSPECTED BY THE CITY PRIOR TO BEING ALLOWED TO SET UP? YES. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE SET UP AT THEIR LOCATION AND INSPECTED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL OR FIRE INSPECTOR PRIOR TO THEM OPENING. UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M ASKING FOR HEALTH ISSUES. HOW DO, HOW, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WHAT THEY'RE SERVING IS THEY CAN'T NOT CONTAMINATED, THEY CAN'T GET THAT INSPECTION WITHOUT THAT DHE STICKER. YEAH. IN THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE. UM, AND SO, UM, THEY, THEY CAN'T GET THEIR FIRE INSPECTION WITHOUT THAT. AND THEY'RE SUBJECT FOOD TRUCKS ARE SUBJECT TO ROUTINE INSPECTIONS, JUST LIKE A STANDING RESTAURANT. RESTAURANT. A I READ THE REPORTS. SO THE CITY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, PER SE, DOES NOT INSPECT THEM. WE DON'T HAVE A CITY HEALTH DEPARTMENT . OR IF THE, IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT, HIS NEW JOB, DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURAL STICKER, THEY WOULD NOT BE APPROVED TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE IN THE CITY. OKAY. NOW YOU CAN GIVE US SOME MORE STAFF. YEAH. OKAY. I SAW THE BUDGET. OKAY. SOUNDS LIKE A JOB FOR A ZONING SPECIALIST. . UM, A FOLLOW UP ON, ON DAWN'S QUESTION, UH, ABOUT OVERLAP MM-HMM . OKAY. HOW DO WE GET AWAY WITH FOOD TRUCKS AT FOURTH ON MAIN AND ALL THAT FESTIVAL? THAT'S OVERLAP. THAT'S A SPECIAL EVENT, A PERMIT THAT'S HANDLED THROUGH THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. THEY HAVE A SEPARATE PAR PROCESS FOR THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS. OKAY. BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. IT'S A ONE TIME, IT WAS A TEMPORARY LOCATION. IT'S NOT A TEMPORARY LOCATION. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN REGULATIONS. . YEAH. TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENTS AND PRIVATE PARTIES. YEAH. THEY HAVE TO EXCUSE SEASONAL. SO NOT, NOT TO PICK ON PACKS AND REC, BUT WHY, WHY WOULD THEY [01:25:02] BE, WHY WOULD ANOTHER CITY AGENCY BE EXEMPT FROM THESE RULES? THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT EXEMPT FROM THAT, THOSE RULES. THEY HAVE, THEY, BECAUSE IT'S ON CITY PROPERTY, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SPECIAL EVENTS PROCESS AND THEY LOOK AT A LOT MORE IN THE SPECIAL EVENTS PROCESS OKAY. AND EVERYTHING, THEN WE LOOK AT IT IN ZONING. BUT, UM, SO THAT'S ALL CLEAR THROUGH THAT. SO, AND THEY'RE NOT EXEMPT FROM IT. THEY JUST HAVE TO, THEY'RE DOING IT UNDER A DIFFERENT GUISE. OKAY. BUT THEY'RE NOT PERMANENT. THEY'RE NOT PERMANENT. OKAY. AND THEY STILL GET, UM, FIRE MARSHAL INSPECTION. OKAY. THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURAL STICKERS, ALL THAT STUFF GOING ON. I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M NOT GONNA GET SICK IF I EAT FROM A FOOD TRUCK. NO, YOU'RE GOOD. WILL JOE. WELL, I MEAN, HOPEFULLY I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT. THAT'S WHAT THEIR INSURANCE IS FOR. OKAY. YEAH. DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? OKAY. SEEING NONE. ANY MORE COMMENTS FROM [PUBLIC COMMENT] THE COMMISSION? NO, SIR. YES, SIR. NO, SIR. OKAY. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND THE ADOPTION OF THE CHANGES. I'LL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AND YOU'RE GONNA PICK UP THE CHANGE THE DEC TO AGRICULTURE WHEN YOU DO THIS? YEAH. AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA PAY, UH, MR. FOREMAN AND, AND, UM, MR. PAP FOR, UM, THEIR RESEARCH ABILITIES AND THEIR QUALITY CONTROL CHECKS, THEY BUY LUNCH. RIGHT. WE, WE APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. CAN WE GET THEM TO INSPECT THE FOOD TRUCKS? YEAH. I'LL BE HAPPY TO INSPECT THE FOOD TRUCKS. LINCOLN AND I WILL BE, WILL LOVE IT. YOU'LL JUST WANT THE CINON ONE THOUGH. NO, I KNOW THAT ONE'S SAFE. . I WILL ALSO VOLUNTEER TO TASTE TEST. OKAY. MOVING ON. DISCUSSION ONLY OF TAX AMENDMENT. TAX AMENDMENT. WHY DO I WANT A TAX AMENDMENT? TAX AMENDMENT FOR THE MUNICIPAL [DISCUSSION ONLY OF TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE MUNICIPAL ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE (MZDO) SECTION 7.2 NOTICE REQUIREMENTS] ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE? MS. DOE SECTION 7.2 NOTICE REQUIREMENTS. ALRIGHT, I'LL, I'LL START THIS. THIS IS JUST THE START OF DISCUSSION AND THEN BRIAN WILL PROBABLY JUMP IN TOO. C CAN I, CAN I LEAVE ? CAN I LEAVE? I MEAN, SO WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK INTO OUR PUBLIC NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS. SO WHAT I DID WAS HOLD, UM, OUR REQUIREMENTS ALONG WITH TOWN OF BLUFFTON, TOWN OF HILTON HEAD, JASPER COUNTY, BEAUFORT COUNTY, CITY OF CITY OF BEAUFORT, AND TOWN OF PORT ROYAL. AND I LOOKED FOR BASICALLY THOSE MASTER PLAN AND REZONING APPLICATIONS. WHAT DO THEY REQUIRE? SO WE ARE THE SAME IN THE NEWSPAPER POSTING 15 DAYS PRIOR TO HEARING. AND WE ARE THE SAME ON SIGNAGE. EVERYBODY POSTS SIGNAGE. UM, I WILL SAY OUR SIGNAGE HAS MORE INFORMATION THAN ANY OF THE OTHER ONES THAT I HAVE RESEARCHED. UM, SO WE ARE A LITTLE BIT AHEAD THERE, . UM, SO THE DIFFERENCE IS THE LETTERS. OKAY. SO OURS REQUIRE, AND I HAVE KIND OF LIKE HOW FAR FROM THE PROJECT AND HOW MANY DAYS. UM, SO BOTH HOURS IN BLUFFTON ARE SEVEN DAYS PRIOR TO PLANNING COMMISSION. THE DIFFERENCE IS RIGHT NOW IN OUR ORDINANCE, WE ONLY HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING AT CITY COUNCIL. BLUFFTON HAS TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS, ONE AT PLANNING COMMISSION AND ONE AT CITY COUNCIL. SO OUR TWO ARE AT CITY, BOTH AT CITY COUNCIL. THEIRS ARE ONE AT PLANNING COMMISSION, ONE AT CITY COUNCIL. UM, OURS REQUIRES DIRECTLY ADJACENT PROPERTIES. BLUFFING GOES TO 250 FEET. SO, UM, WE ARE THE FURTHEST AHEAD OF THE PROCESS. UM, BLUFF ALONG WITH BLUFF. AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THEY GO, THEY MAY GO A LITTLE FURTHER WITH THE 250 FEET. UM, WHEN OURS, IT WOULD DEPEND ON, YOU KNOW, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY, HOW MANY THAT WOULD IMPACT. UM, SO TOWN OF HILTON HEAD AND JASPER COUNTY AND BEAUFORT COUNTY, THEY DO 15 DAYS PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL. UM, AND THEN, OH, COME ON, JUST DIED ON ME. . AND THEN, UM, TOWN OF HILTON HEAD DOES 350 FEET. JASPER COUNTY DOES 500 FEET. BEAUFORT COUNTY ALSO DOES 500 FEET AND THEIR OWN STAFF SENDS THEM OUT. UM, WE HAVE THAT ON THE APPLICANT. THE APPLICANT PAYS FOR IT. THE APPLICANT DOES ALL THE WORK FOR IT. THEY JUST SHOW US THE PROOF. UM, SO THAT TAKES A LOT OFF OF STAFF. WE USED TO SEND THOSE OUT FOR THE APPLICANTS. WE DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE. UM, CITY OF BEAUFORT AND TOWN OF PORT ROYAL, WHEN IT LOOKS AT LETTER, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE SECTION ABOUT LETTERS FOR THAT, IT SAID BASICALLY THEY CAN IF THEY WANT TO, BUT NOBODY HAS TO. UM, SO THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THERE. OKAY. UM, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS UP SO THAT WE COULD START THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT YOU WANNA SEE IN OUR ORDINANCE, BUT [01:30:01] ALSO, SO YOU KNOW, WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE REGION IS KIND OF DOING THAT I COULD FIND REQUIREMENTS FOR. SO, UM, I JUST WANNA ADD, THANK YOU KATIE. I JUST WANNA ADD THAT WHILE WE HAVE ADJACENT, UM, SINCE THE, UM, SITUATION IN RED DAM, EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN GOING OUT, WE'VE BEEN GIVING THEM A RADIUS EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO, THEY'RE DOING. AND UM, I WANNA SAY WE'VE BEEN DOING THE 2 50, 1 50 OR TWO 50, BUT, UM, WE'VE BEEN MAKING SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT MAPS THAT WE'RE GETTING THOSE RESIDENTS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE AFFECTED. SO, UM, I JUST REMEMBERED THE OTHER DIFFERENCE. OURS ARE SENT OUT CERTIFIED SOME, UM, AND SO ARE BLUFFTON, BUT A LOT OF THE OTHERS ONLY SEND IT FIRST CLASS MAIL. UM, WE REQUIRE THE CERTIFIED LETTERS, WHICH DOES IT, IT'S GOOD 'CAUSE WE GET THE RECEIPTS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT REQUIRES PEOPLE TO PHYSICALLY GO TO THE POST OFFICE YEAH. AND PICK IT UP. SO IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT REQUIREMENT ON THERE. THEY CAN STILL PROVE THEY SEND THEM TO US AND DO FIRST CLASS IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. BUT I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR DISCUSSION. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SCARED ABOUT SORTED LETTER. YEAH. DON'T WANNA GO TO THE POST OFFICE AND PICK IT UP. SO, BECAUSE IT'S A TAX AMENDMENT. . YEAH. USUALLY, USUALLY BAD NEWS. UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT WAS, UM, I WAS GONNA FOLLOW UP A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT. WE HAVE, UM, WHEN WE SET OUT THE, THE CERTIFIED LETTERS TO THE SUN CITY COMMUNITY MM-HMM . UM, AND WE DID A, A LITTLE BIT OF A RADIUS ON THAT. UM, THEY ALL GOT THOSE WELL BEFORE WHEN WE DO IT IN MORE RURAL AREAS WHERE THEY ARE HAVING TO COME TO THE POST OFFICE OR, OR WHEREVER. THEY CAN'T JUST RUN TO THE ANNEX. YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT POST OFFICES HAVE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS. UM, WE BELIEVE, UM, KATIE AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT. I HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT TO THE CITY MANAGER OR, OR COUNCIL, BUT I BELIEVE THAT, UM, IF WE REALLY WANNA REACH OUT TO THE CITIZENS THAT WE MAY BE, UM, ASKING TOO MUCH BY SENDING IT CERTIFIED. I DON'T LIKE CERTIFIED, SO, UM, I, I, THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE. I THINK FOR TODAY'S PURPOSES. I THINK WE TAKE THIS AND EVERYBODY THINK ABOUT IT AND COME BACK AND GIVE US YEAH. IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, GIVE US SOME IDEAS SO THAT WE CAN THEN PREPARE, UM, SOMETHING TO, TO MOVE FORWARD TO COUNCIL AND GET THIS CHANGED. UM, HOWEVER YOU FEEL. BUT THAT'S SOME GOOD INFORMATION. I'M VERY HAPPY THAT KATIE GOT ALL THAT TOGETHER AND, UM, TO KNOW THAT WE ARE DOING MORE THAN OTHERS, BUT MAYBE THERE WE COULD DO IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY OR, UM, WE, WHAT'S BEST. UM, I DO THINK THAT, LIKE I SAID, FOR SEVEN DAYS, SUN CITY, MOST OF THEM, I THINK EVERYBODY, THEY CALLED US LAST WEEK, SO THEY GOT IT REALLY RELATIVELY QUICKLY. UM, WE WANT ALL COMMUNITIES DOING THAT. WE DON'T WANT THAT JUST TO BE THE, UM, A RARE OCCURRENCE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN ADJACENT? I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT TERM. CAN YOU PUT UP THE SUN CITY ONE? YEAH, I'M SORRY. YEP. AND THAT IS PROBABLY AN AREA WE CAN IMPROVE ON, SO, YEAH. UM, SORRY, HOLD ON. DIFFERENT RURAL AREAS ARE TYPICALLY A LOT LARGER BECAUSE LOTS ARE NOT USUALLY A LOT LARGER. UM, DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS DO IT DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT THIS WILL BE AN EASY EXAMPLE. UM, ADJACENT WOULD BE THESE PROPERTIES, JUST THIS ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET. UM, FOR, FOR MORGAN TRACK WE DID PARROT AVENUE, BUT WE WENT ACROSS, UM, A RADIUS WOULD THEN TAKE IT TO HOWEVER MANY FEET WE DO AROUND THAT PROPERTY. SO THEN ADJACENT WITH A MINIMUM OF 500 FOOT, YOU WOULD SAY A 500 FOOT RADIUS. YOU WOULDN'T SAY ADJACENT, I MEAN, BUT IF YOU ARE IN A RURAL AREA AND THEY ARE LARGER, 500 FOOT REALLY ISN'T NO, IT'S NOT THAT FAR. UM, I'M, I'M, YEAH, I'M SEEKING YOUR, YEAH, IF I, BECAUSE THEY'RE 500 FOOT, SEVERAL OTHER COMMUNITIES OR 500 COUNTY, UM, COUNTY IS 500. THE COUNTY'S 500 FOOT. I'M GONNA GO BACK IN TIME WHEN I WORKED AT CHARLESTON COUNTY LONG TIME AGO, UM, BECAUSE WE HAD THAT, WE HAD SOME SUBURBAN AREAS AND WE HAD VERY RURAL AREAS IN CHARLESTON COUNTY. AND WHEN WE GOT TO DOING KIAA AND ALL THOSE, IT WAS A REAL CHALLENGE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UM, AND WE KINDA SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE AND DID A 300 FOOT RADIUS. NOW THAT WAS YEARS AGO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DO NOW. I HAVE, I HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT IT, BUT WE KINDA SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE. I UNDERSTAND. 500 SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT MUCH, BUT IT DOES GET A GOOD AMOUNT OF PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WOULD BE, UM, IMPACTED. NOW WE ALSO, WITH OUR NEW SOFTWARE THAT'S COMING UP, YEAH. AND AS SOON AS WE CAN SPEND SOME TIME ON GETTING EVERYTHING IN, UM, CODIFIED, CODIFIED, UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY GET THIS. WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING [01:35:01] FORWARD WITH THIS ONE. IT SENDS OUT EMAILS. YOU PUT A PEN ON IT, A PEN ON YOUR PROPERTY AND SAY YOU WANNA KNOW, AND IT'LL LET YOU MAKE UP YOUR OWN RADIUS. UM, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, IT'LL MAKE SURE WE CAN SEND OUT, WE CAN, UM, SEND OUT EMAIL ALERTS. IT'S VERY HANDS-ON. YOU GET ALL THE DOCUMENTS AS SOON AS YOU CLICK ON A PROPERTY. UM, SO IT'S FREE ACCESS, FREE ACCESS FOR ANYBODY'S WEB-BASED PROGRAM. UM, WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT, NOT ONLY FOR NOTIFICATION PURPOSES, BUT FULL DISCLOSURE AND TRANSPARENCY AND ALL OF THAT. UM, WE CAN'T HAVE IT UNTIL THE 1ST OF JULY, BUT WE'RE GETTING THERE. WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING . SO HOW, HOW WOULD THAT WORK IF I LIVED HERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE IN THE FUTURE. YOU CAN PUT A THING AND SAID, I WANNA KNOW ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN HARDY. YOU CAN ASK FOR IT AND IT WILL, IT WILL EMAIL YOU OR MAIL YOU OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. UM, ANY, ANYTIME THEY APPLY FOR ANY KIND OF PERMIT, IF YOU WANNA KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT A PROPERTY. UM, AND THAT IS, IN OUR WORLD, UNHEARD OF. SO WE'RE VERY PLEASED WITH THIS. UM, WE, WE LOOKED LONG AND HARD TO TRY TO FIND THE RIGHT SOFTWARE. UM, AND WE WERE KEPT LOOKING FOR PLANNING, PLANNING, PLANNING. WE FINALLY SAID ONE DAY, I SAID, I'M GONNA LOOK FOR A ZONING SOFTWARE. AND WE FOUND IT. UM, WHO KNEW, YOU KNOW, OUR ZONING SPECIALIST SHOULD HAVE DONE IT FOR US, I GUESS RIGHT. . UM, BUT UM, IT'S, IT WILL GIVE US A DASHBOARD, A PORTAL ON THE WEBSITE, AND IT'LL KEEP US ALL UPDATED. YOU CAN SEE ANYTHING WE HAVE SO AND SO. IF WE WENT TO 15 DAYS, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT? WELL, THAT THE 15 DAYS IS BEFORE THEY'VE DONE THAT BEFORE COUNCIL, NOT BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION. WHAT IF WE DID DO IT WITH PLANNING COMMISSION? WOULD THAT BE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAKE THAT CHOICE. IT WOULD, IT WOULD. THAT'S IT WOULD STRETCH THE PROCESS OUT, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS A BAD THING. UM, WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO, UM, COME UP WITH SOME NEW STANDARDS AND EVERYTHING. UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WOULD BE WE'RE NOT GONNA KNOW. WE GO IN 15 DAYS OUT. WE HA WE WILL HAVE NO IDEA WHEN IT'S GOING TO COUNCIL AT THAT POINT BECAUSE OF HOW THINGS CHANGE. BUT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO IT. AND WHEN, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT SOFTWARE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN FIND OUT ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE WRONG IN THE CITY. CAN YOU ALSO, CAN A CITIZEN ALSO DO THAT IN A CERTAIN AREA, BUT NOT ALL OF, SO I COULD SAY ANYTHING WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF MY HOUSE. WOW. SAY THAT. YOU CAN SAY THAT'S REMARKABLE. UM, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A LANDOWNER. IF YOU WANNA SAY, I WANNA KNOW ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING ON AT ARGENT COTTAGES, UM, IT'S GONNA TELL YOU ANYTHING IN A CERTAIN RADIUS OF THAT. OKAY. MORE. OKAY. DONE. I'VE SEEN, UM, FROM ANOTHER PART OF THE COUNTRY, UM, USUALLY SEVEN DAYS TO ME DOESN'T SEEM LIKE ENOUGH TIME. UM, AND I'VE SEEN WHERE 2 50, 250 FEET IS WHAT I'VE EXPERIENCED AS THE NORM. I MEAN, I, UNLESS THERE'S A TREMENDOUS BURDEN TO DO THAT. AND I THINK THIS, EVERYTHING COMES THROUGH PLANNING ANYWAY. RIGHT. SO IF WE NOTIFIED PEOPLE YES. YES. FOR RECOMMENDATION FOR THE YEAH. FOR THE PLANNING 15 DAYS BEFORE PLANNING MM-HMM . THEY WOULD KNOW IF THEY WANTED TO COME OUT, THEY COULD COME OUT AND THEY WOULD KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO COUNT COUNCIL AFTER THAT. OKAY. BUT WE WILL, WE MAY NOT HAVE THE EXACT DATES OF COUNSEL, BUT WE WILL, WE'LL HAVE TO. UM, BUT IF THEY WERE INTERESTED, THEY DID COME OUT AND THEY KNOW THAT IT'S, THEY, THEY COULD THEN GET ON THE ZONING HUB AND, AND RIGHT. BE ALERTED. OKAY. YEP. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE MAIL THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? UM, IF, IF WE, I THINK IT WOULD BE LESS OF A BURDEN IF IT WASN'T CERTIFIED, IF IT WAS FIRST CLASS MAIL. BUT I, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT IMMEDIATELY. SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY THEY NEVER GOT IT. I MEAN, WE GET THAT NOW. YEAH. I, I'M, I MEAN, IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE THING. IF WE SEND SOMEBODY AN EMAIL, THEY DIDN'T GET IT. I MEAN, WOULD YOU HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT NN NOW THE PROOF WOULD BE NOT A RETURN RECEIPT, BUT MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE AN AFFIDAVIT SAYING, HEY, I SENT IT TO ALL THESE PEOPLE. UM, THE, THE MAIL US MAIL NOW GIVES YOU, UH, I KNOW I GET IT. ALERTS WHEN I'M GETTING CERTAIN ME PACKAGES. UM, YES. THEY, THEY SCAN IN WHAT THEY SEND OUT. THEY SCAN IN THE, LIKE IF THEY SEND IT THROUGH THE, THE POSTAL METERS, WE GET THOSE. WE CAN HAVE ALL KINDS OF, UM, [01:40:01] PROOF. PROOF. YEAH. YOU, YOU HAVE GUARANTEES. YOU HAVE A LITTLE MORE CONFIDENCE IN THE POST OFFICE THAN I DO. NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT FROM THE, I, I'D LIKE THEM JUST TO DELIVER MY MAIL, BUT THAT'S, TRUST ME, UM, YOU GET 'EM TO DELIVER. I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FAITH, BUT, UM, I UNDERSTAND IF WE CAN GIVE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT THE APPLICANT'S DOING IN THEIR RECORDS, WHICH THEY SCAN IN AND SEND TO KATIE NOW, I THINK THAT IS, UM, AS MUCH AS WE CAN EXPECT RIGHT NOW AND GIVES US SOME COMFORT LEVEL. MM-HMM . RICK, RICK, YOU HAD A FOLLOW UP? YEAH. ONE, ONE FOLLOW UP. THE, THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS, IT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR ME SITTING HERE FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE INPUT. I THINK THEIR INPUT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. UH, AND I, I DON'T THINK THAT OUR JOB IS ANY LESS IMPORTANT THAN THE ONES THAT'S MAKING THE DECISION. AND THEY'RE KIND OF COUNTING ON US TO DO A GOOD JOB BEFORE WE GET IT. SO IF WE'RE CUTTING TO SEVEN DAYS, BUT THEY'RE GETTING 15 DAYS, IT, THAT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME BECAUSE, UM, I NEED THAT INPUT. UM, THAT'S WHY WE, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IT. SO THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN. UM, ABSOLUTELY. THAT, THAT'S WHY WE WANT YOU TO TAKE SOME TIME. GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS AND UM, THEN WE CAN DRAFT IT. WE DIDN'T WANNA DRAFT SOMETHING AND THEN YOU, UM, LYNDON, I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT IT AND WE'LL BRING IT UP NEXT TIME. I, OKAY. I, I, I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS. UM, TRUE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. SO ALONG WITH WHAT RICK AND, AND, AND OTHERS HAVE SAID, I THINK SEVEN DAYS IS TOO SHORT FOR US. AND, AND WE'VE SEEN THAT. UM, SO I WOULDN'T, I WOULD SUPPORT A 15 DAY AND, UM, IN ADDITION TO, IT'S ALSO ON THE WEBSITE, CORRECT? YES. SO PEOPLE HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE IT THERE. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S A WEEK OUT. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT, THAT'S, WELL IT'S A, IT STILL, IT'S A CROP OUT TOO. SO, BUT, UM, BUT WE CAN, WHAT WE CAN DO IS, AND LIKE I SAID, WITH THE NEW, A LOT OF THINGS ARE GONNA CHANGE WITH THIS NEW SOFTWARE AND I HATE TO KEEP SAYING THAT, BUT, UM, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET IT IN PLACE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. BUT, UM, AS SOON AS WE HAVE THOSE PACKETS READY AND READY FOR YOU, THEN YES, WE CAN PUT IT OUT THERE. OKAY. I I, UH, I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT. CAN WE, WE TAKE THIS HOME, THINK ABOUT IT AND MOW IT OVER. CAN WE GET THIS AS AN AGENDA ITEM NEXT MONTH? ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF US PUTTING IT ON HERE TODAY. 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE YOU, I'M HAPPY THIS IS YOUR WORKSHOP OF, OF THAT ITEM. UM, I'M HAPPY AND, UM, YEAH. OKAY. OBVIOUSLY YOU DO GREAT RESEARCH, GENTLEMEN. SO I MEAN, UM, WE ARE, WE ARE CERTAINLY HAPPY. I THINK 15 DAYS IS A GOOD, UM, PRECURSOR TO GETTING ALL THIS STUFF WHERE PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED. THAT SOFTWARE IS, I NEVER HEARD OF IT BEFORE TODAY, SO, SO IT'S GREAT. HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT, NOT JUST THAT WE DON'T JUST BLAST OUT ONE TIME, HOW, HOW, WHAT IS GONNA BE OUR NOTIFICATION PROCESS TO OUR CITIZENS? WE STILL HAVE THIS FOR NOTIFICATION PROCESS. UH, WELL, I MEAN AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO GO IN, UH, HOW WILL WE LET THE AVERAGE CITIZEN, WE JUST HEARD ABOUT IT, BUT HOW WILL WE LET EVERYBODY ELSE, NOT JUST TODAY, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING HERE IN SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR? WILL THIS BE A REOCCURRING? IS THIS A SIX MONTH BLAST? UH, WE HAVE A GREAT MEDIA DEPARTMENT, UM, THAT HAS BEEN DOING A LOT OF REALLY COOL THINGS LATELY. YEP. AND, UM, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER AND KATIE AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT SOME IDEAS ON GETTING THIS OUT THERE. WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE MOVING INTO, AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING INTO THE UPDATE OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WE'RE GONNA NEED PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. SO, UM, WE ARE GOING TO, UM, CERTAINLY KEEP THAT ON OUR WEBSITE, ON THE TV STATION, ON SOCIAL MEDIA AS MUCH AS WE CAN. UM, BECAUSE AS FAST AS WE'RE GROWING, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO BE MAKING THESE CHANGES AND, AND AMENDING AND THAT'S, UM, WHY WE NEED TO DO, HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. I JUST THINK IF YOU HAD IT MULTIPLE TIMES A YEAR, IT'D MAKE YOUR LIFE. I MEAN, IT'D BE VERY HARD, HARD FOR SOMEBODY TO POINT THEIR FINGER AT YOU GUYS. BUT ALL FOR THAT TOO, SIR. UH, NOW OKAY. PLANNING REPORT. [PLANNING REPORT] QUICK, RIGHT QUICK. YEAH. UM, SO PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE RECENTLY SENT TO COUNCIL, UM, [CURRENT PLANNING PROJECTS UPDATE] RIVERPORT AND THE THREE HILTON HEAD LAKES, WEST IPS, THEY HAD A WORKSHOP AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO FIRST READING JUNE. 18TH. 18TH, I THINK 18TH. 18TH, OKAY. HILTON HEAD. HILTON [01:45:01] HEAD LAKES WEST HAS ALREADY STARTED CLEARING. THAT WAS FOR, YEAH. NOT THOSE PARTS OF THE, AND NOT THOSE SPECIFIC INITIAL MASTER PLANS. THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. UM, WELL IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT TO ME. THE, I, I FEEL THE NEED TO SAY THIS, UM, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THE MEETING, THE, UM, FOR [UPDATE ON RECENT APPLICATIONS FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL] THE RECORD BEHIND THE HAMPTON INN OVER BY THE HOSPITAL IS NOT BUCKY'S . UM, WE'VE GOT SOME MORE MEDIA TO TALK TO THIS AFTERNOON ABOUT IT. IT IS NOT BUCKY'S. UM, SO IT IS A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT THAT WE ENVISION SOME OF THE TEACHERS FROM THAT SCHOOL BACK THERE AND THE NURSES AT THE HOSPITAL, UM, POTENTIALLY LIVING IN. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. UM, AND YEAH, BUCKY'S HAS NOT GONE AWAY, BUT THEY ARE NOT READY TO CLEAR YET. SO BUCK'S IS ON THE OTHER SIDE. YES. 50 STREET. YES. BUT BRIANNA, CHRIS AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT AT LENGTH WITH PEOPLE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THIS BUILDING. SO , THEY WANT A BUCKY, EVEN THE POLICE CHIEF OF THEY WANT BUCKY'S FAST. YES. THEY WANT IT. DO THEY DO? THEY DO. OKAY. SO, YEAH, AND MORGAN TRACKS, UM, FIRST PHASES UNDER REVIEW, UM, BUT THEY DID GET, THEY ARE STARTING TO, UM, CLEAR TO GET THEIR CONSTRUCTION DRIVE IN. SO THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED. IT'S A LOT OF FILL. THEY NEED A LOT OF, SO FENCES TOO. , NINE MILES, NINE MILES, NINE MILES OF, SO FENCE. UM, SO YEAH. UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT OTHER STUFF GOING ON AROUND THE CITY, LET US KNOW. OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSION MEMBERS' COMMENTS? I [COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS] WAS THAT WITH LANDON? I'VE GOT NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD. NO COMMENT. YEAH, NO COMMENT. NO COMMENT. YOU'VE GOT ONE. I DO. I JUST WANTED TO I WANTED TO RAISE THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PROPOSED JOINT MEETING OF THE COUNTY AND THE HAS UPDATE. I HAVE AN UPDATE, MR. KBO GOT TO HEAR ABOUT IT. UM, AND I'M JUST WAITING TO, UM, FINAL FINALIZE. WE ARE LOOKING AT AN AUGUST DATE ON A NEUTRAL LOCATION. UM, WE ARE, WE ARE, WE'RE TRYING TO ORGANIZE ALL THAT. UM, IN FACT, YESTERDAY AFTERNOON I THOUGHT, THAT'S GONNA BE MY PERFECT TIME. I'M GONNA REACH OUT TO EVERYBODY. AND THEN WHEN THE INTERNET, INTERNET DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANNA, IT DID NOT WANNA ACCOMMODATE ME. UM, I, I GOT ONTO OTHER ACTIVITIES HERE, BUT, UM, WE ARE GONNA BE, UM, THE COUNTY'S ON BOARD. MR. TABLET CERTAINLY SPOKE THE WE WANNA BE BOARD. UM, NOT TOO LONG AGO, OUR CITY COUNCIL AND BLUFFS TOWN COUNCIL DID A KIND OF A, NOT A MEET AND GREET, BUT IT WAS KIND OF A OVERVIEW OF HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOING AND LET'S TALK ABOUT ANY ISSUES THAT WE MIGHT HAVE. AND WE WANNA KIND OF DO THAT SAME KIND OF FEEL, NOT SPECIFIC PROJECTS, BUT JUST GENERAL, UM, HOW WE CAN WORK BETTER TOGETHER. SO I THINK THAT'S A, A GOOD MOVE. AND, UM, IT WILL BE HOPEFULLY IN AUGUST AND I'LL GET YOU DATES AS SOON AS I KNOW SOME NO NEUTRAL GROUND IS RUTH, CHRIS AND SAVANNAH, CHINA, UNITED STATES MET IN LONDON. MY BUDGET'S KIND OF, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT THOUGH. NO, THANK YOU. UM, WE'D JUST, YOU TOLD ME WHERE THE NEUTRAL GROUND WAS. UH, WE ARE LOOKING, IT HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED YET. YEAH. SO, SO NO, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PALMETTO ELECTRIC ON, UM, 2 78. THAT'D BE NICE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.