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WE HAVE, UH, A COUPLE OF INTERESTING PROJECTS TO TALK ABOUT.
ARE ARE YOU HERE AGAIN? I MEAN, I THOUGHT WE, WE JUST, I THOUGHT WE WERE DONE WITH THESE GUYS.
UM, I'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
[I.CALL TO ORDER]
OF HARDY VILLAGE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP, UH, 2 0 5 MAIN STREET, HARDY, SOUTH CAROLINA 2 9 9 2 7.MONDAY, JUNE 2ND, 2025 AT 11:00 AM.
EVERYONE CAN, UH, TALK WHEN THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
JUST PLEASE, LET'S MAKE SURE EVERYONE SPEAKING PRIOR HAS COMPLETED AND THEIR THOUGHTS AND YIELDED THE FLOOR BEFORE YOU JUMP IN.
UM, HAVING SAID THAT, I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO MR. GRUBER TO GET US STARTED.
[II.MANAGER’S REPORT]
UH, AS YOU INDICATED, THIS IS THE NEXT STEP, UH, IN THE SERIES OF REVIEW AND APPROVALS FOR THE HILTON HEAD, LAKES WEST, UH, DEVELOPMENT.UM, WE'VE HAD THE PDD APPROVED, WE'VE HAD THE AMENDED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND NOW, UH, THEY'RE COMING FORWARD WITH THREE SEPARATE, YET VERY SIMILAR INITIAL MASTER PLANS FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THIS MATTER WAS TAKEN BEFORE THE CITY'S PLANNING COMMISSION LAST MONTH, WHERE IT DID RECEIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR CONSIDERATION SUBJECT TO, UM, I THINK GETTING CLARIFICATION ON A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WHICH STAFF IS PREPARED TO DO TODAY.
AND SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO BRANDON AND LET HER WALK YOU THROUGH THE, UH, INITIAL MASTER PLANS.
[A.CONSIDERATION OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR A]
GOOD MORNING.UM, CHRIS IS GONNA TRY TO RUN THE P POWERPOINT FOR ME AS WE, UM, GET THROUGH THIS.
SO HOPEFULLY THIS IS A VERY, UM, CONFUSING WAY TO DO IT.
BUT IT ACTUALLY, AFTER, UM, PUTTING ALL OF THE THREE POWERPOINTS TOGETHER, WE REALIZED ONE WAS THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT.
SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN, UM, GET THROUGH THAT.
SO THESE ARE ALL, THIS IS THREE INITIAL MASTER PLANS FOR THE HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT IS ALL A PORTION OF, OF THAT ONE TAX MAP NUMBER.
UM, AND, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THEY ARE, WE'RE GONNA HAND HANDLE 'EM IN THE ORDER THAT THEY ARE SHOWN.
SO, UM, THE FIRST ONE IS THE SOUTHERN MOST.
UM, IT IS RIGHT OFF THE LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.
UM, YOU'LL SEE PLACES THROUGH HERE WHERE LAKESIDE BOULEVARD IS.
ALS IS REFERRED TO AS EMERSON LAKE.
LEMME MAKE SURE I'M GETTING IT RIGHT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, THE SECOND ONE IS, UM, HAS FRONTAGE LONG I 95.
AND THEN THE THIRD IS MORE INLAND TOWARDS THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT AREA.
THIS IS ALL THREE OF THEM ON ONE MAP.
THIS WAS PREPARED BY THE APPLICANTS FOR US TO SHOW, UM, SHOW THAT THEY ARE ALL POD I IS THE, THE ONE THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
IT'S DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, AND THEN THE TOP THREE ARE H ONE, F THREE, IT GOES TO F1, F TWO, AND THEN FINALLY G.
SO WE WILL KIND OF GO THROUGH THOSE AS WE BEST WE CAN.
IT IS, UM, THE FIRST ONE IS CLOSEST TO THE POWER SUBSTATION OUT THERE, THE DOMINION SUBSTATION, AS WELL AS HAS THE CEMETERY INVOLVED IN IT.
WE'VE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UM, YOU CAN SEE IT'S RIGHT OFF OF THOSE.
UM, RIGHT OFF OF LAKESIDE BOULEVARD JUST ABOVE THE LAST TRAFFIC CIRCLE, UM, LAKESIDE BOULEVARD OVER HERE DOES TURN INTO EMERSON LAKE.
UM, COMMUNITY ENTRANCE WILL BE OVER HERE.
THIS ONE WILL ALSO HAVE CONNECTIVITY THROUGH TO THE, TO THE F1
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F OR F TWO F THREE.I GET ALL CONFUSED ON THE NUMBERS.
UM, F1, F1, F TWO, UM, ABOVE THERE.
UM, IT IS GO WORD 229 ACRE, 225 ACRES.
UM, AND IT IS LOCATED OFF OF LAKESIDE BOULEVARD, JUST ABOVE THE HARVILLE SCHOOL AND DOES HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AREA OVER TOWARDS I 95, UM, MAXIMUM OF 850 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
THESE WILL BE ATTACHED AND DETACHED.
SO SOME TOWNHOMES, SOME SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
UM, THE EXISTING CEMETERY, BRIAN DAM CEMETERY IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEASTERN MOST EXTREMITY.
UM, IT WILL HAVE THAT 50 FOOT UNDERSERVED BUFFER THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.
ACCESS WILL BE MAINTAINED TO THE CEMETERY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AND PARKING WILL BE PROVIDED FOR VISITORS.
YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE SITE PLAN AS WELL AS IN THE TEXT OF THE DOCUMENT.
THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH LANE USE GOALS, CURR, ENCOURAGING MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S ONE PROPOSED ENTRANCE ON THE MAIN BOULEVARD, AS WELL AS OTHER FUTURE CONNECTIONS THAT WILL GO INTO THE COMMUNITY UP THE IMP JUST ABOVE IT.
SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS ARE PLANNED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS PROVIDED AS WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT ONE SEVERAL TIMES WITH THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND THOSE WILL, THOSE WILL CONTINUE TO BE ADDRESSED AS IT MOVES THROUGH THE STAFF REVIEW SITE PERMITTING PROCESS.
THE OPEN SPACE PLAN SHOWN ON HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE YELLOW BEING THE, UM, TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS.
YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT, UM, POND AREAS AND THE AMENITY SITE AS WELL AS THE GREEN SPACES THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
THE EXISTING CEMETERY IS DOWN HERE AT THE END OF THE STREET, AS WELL AS THE DOMINION ENERGY EASEMENT SUB FOR THE SUBSTATION, ACTIVE AND PASSIVE OPEN SPACES THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT SIDEWALKS, COMMUNITY TRAILS, LAGOONS, COMMON AREAS.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT 47% OPEN SPACE WITH 10% ACTIVE OPEN SPACE.
UM, SO THAT IS THE, THE FIRST POD THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
THIS IS THE SECOND ONE THAT WE'RE GO MOVING INTO.
I'M SORRY, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S QUITE A BIT.
UH, WHY DON'T WE STOP THERE FOR A SECOND AND SEE IF ANY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR POT? OBJECT TO THE ONE COURT.
I HAVE THE 10% ACTIVE OPEN SPACE.
THAT ONE WITH OUR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
THAT IS WHAT, WHAT WE'VE BEEN SHOOTING FOR.
UM, BUT THAT IS, UM, WITH THE AMOUNT OF, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE LAGOONS AND OTHER THINGS IN THIS ONE, THAT IS WHERE WE, WHERE WE LANDED ON THIS ONE.
BUT THEY CAN CERTAINLY EXPLAIN WHAT THEY'VE PROPOSED FOR THOSE AREAS FOR YOU.
ON THE EARLIER SLIDE AND WHERE IT SHOWED ALL THREE TOGETHER, IF I SAW RIGHT, MAYBE MY EYES WERE WRONG.
IT SAID, UH, THIS SECTION WAS 550 HOMES.
IS IS, IS THAT THE ONE ON THE TOP LEFT OR ARE WE LOOKING AT, LET ME GET THE RIGHT, WHICH ONE IS THE FIRST ONE? WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM ONE.
SO UP THERE IT SAYS 550, WHICH, WHICH IS IT? THAT, THAT'S THE SECOND ONE WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING.
SO WHERE? AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS OVER HERE.
SO THE RED LINES DELINEATE 'EM.
I COULDN'T, THAT'S WHAT I MISSED.
SO THIS IS, OH, SO THAT RED LINE IS THE FIRST ONE WE'RE MM-HMM
AND THAT'S A COMBINATION OF ATTACHED AND DETACHED, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
AND SIDEWALKS 10% ACTIVE OPEN SPACE.
AND IS THIS AGE RESTRICTED? UM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WILL NOT BE AGE RESTRICTED, AGE TARGETED, AGE TARGETED, NOT RESTRICTED.
WHAT AGE ARE YOU TARGETING? 80 AND BELOW.
THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT, JOHN.
OH, THAT'S EVEN BETTER, I THINK.
I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS, ARE THESE TARGETED TO OUR WORKFORCE? ARE ELDERLY EMPTY NESTERS? WHO, WHO IS THIS TARGETED FOR? IT'S NOT WORKFORCE TARGETED, IT'S JUST GENERAL.
ANYBODY CAN BUY A HOUSE THERE.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE, THE AMENITIES WILL HAVE PARKS.
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THEY WILL HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE AGE THAT THEY CAN INTERACT WITH.SO I GUESS, LET ME REPHRASE IT.
ARE THESE UM, 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOMES OR 1200 SQUARE FOOT HOMES? UH, 17 TO PROBABLY 1700 STARTING SIX.
YOU'VE GOT TOWN HOMES IN THERE ALSO.
AND THE TOWN HOMES ARE BETWEEN 1,218, PROBABLY SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY'VE GOT A 20 FOOT PRODUCT AND A 24 FOOT PRODUCT.
SO THAT'S ROUGHLY AROUND THAT.
THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE AND LOT SIZES ARE THESE QUARTER OF AN ACRE, 10TH OF AN ACRE.
SO IT'LL BE EITHER 40, 50 OR 60 FOOT WIDE BY X AMOUNT, 120 FOOT DEEP.
AND THEN THE TOWN HOMES ARE EITHER 20 OR 24 FEET BY 120 FEET.
SO THESE, THESE ARE HOMES THAT A TYPICAL FIRST TIME HOME BUYER CORRECT.
I, THAT'S WHERE I'M, THAT'S WHERE I'M GETTING WHEN I SAID WORKFORCE, UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO NEED.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
I MEAN, I, I CAN'T PRICE POINT.
SO THE WHAT THIS IS JOHN, AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING FROM THE DESCRIPTION.
AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THESE BECAUSE OF BY NATURE OF THE SIZE LOT SIZE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS MORE TOWARDS THE LOWER END OF THE PRICE MARKET AS OPPOSED TO UH, EXCUSE EXCLUSIVE PREMIUM.
UM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ACRE, ACRE LOT SIZE.
AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.
IF I CAN'T FRONT LOAD GARAGES, THEN MOST LIKELY THERE'S NO ALLEY STREETS HERE.
SO IN, IN ONE OF THE, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN ONE OF THOSE POS, UM, WHERE THE SIDE ON THE SIDES OF EACH HOME.
WAS IT, AM I, DID I READ IT RIGHT? THAT WAS GOING TO BE SIX FEET FROM, FROM WHERE THE HOUSE IS TO THEIR, SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT A FENCE, HOW DO THEY DO THAT? BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE ORDINANCES THAT SAY SOMETHING.
AND I KNOW THERE WAS AN ISSUE IN ONE OF THE HOMES IN UH, MAG WALK.
SO WE, WE, WE PLANNED THAT OUT WITH, WITH, ONCE WE GET THE SITE FEATURE PER PERMITS FOR FENCE AND WHATEVER THE HOA ALLOWS, BUT FINCHES YEAH.
SO LET'S SAY I BOUGHT THE HOUSE THERE WITH, I ONLY HAVE SIX FEET FROM MY HOUSE TO THE END.
THAT'S, THAT'S A TYPICAL, UH, SETBACK THAT WE HAVE IN HILTON HEAD LAKES CURRENTLY.
SO, SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THEM MOVE THAT FENCE LIKE 36 INCHES IN OR NO.
SO ON THE NO, MA'AM ON THE BOUNDARY THEY CAN PUT THEIR FENCE ON.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE BOUNDARY AND CHRIS IS NODDING ALONG 'CAUSE HE'S THE ONE WHO HAS TO REVIEW ALL OF THOSE.
BUT IF THERE'S NOT THAT SETBACK FOR THE FENCE, IT LOOKS VERY CLOSE.
IF ANYTIME THEY, THEY USUALLY, LIKE A HOMEOWNER IS ADVISED NOT TO GO TO THE BOUNDARY LINE.
'CAUSE THERE'S USUALLY S SWALES AND DRAINAGE SWAS.
AND YOU DON'T WANNA PUT THE FENCE INSIDE THAT SWALE.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE EITHER A GAP OR SOMEBODY MOVES SIX INCHES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
BUT AS FAR AS HAVING A SETBACK, YOU HAVE SIX FEET.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA SAY, OH, YOU'RE RESTRICTED TO HAVE ONLY TWO FEET OFF THE HOUSE.
THAT BECOMES INTO THE HOA AND A LOT OF TIMES WHAT THEY'LL SAY IS EITHER THE LAST, THE FENCE HAS TO COME OFF THE BACK CORNER OF THE HOUSE OR YOU HAVE TO BE WITHIN A THIRD FROM THE STREET.
AND I, I, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS OF THAT AT THE MOMENT, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY PARAMETER THAT THEY MIGHT BE SET TO.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I NEEDED TO, SO IS, ARE THESE GONNA BE GATED COMMUNITIES? THIS IS NOT A GATED COMMUNITY.
WE, WE ARE INTENTIONALLY MAKING SURE THAT THAT AREA IS NOT GATED SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS TO THE CEMETERY.
UM, AMENITIES, YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT THE AMENITIES.
SO WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THOSE AMENITIES? UM, GENERALLY THAT'LL BE A STRUCTURE, A POOL.
UM, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE POCKET PARKS AND PROBABLY PICKLEBALL IS VERY COMMON.
UM, THAT HAS NOT BEEN DESIGNED.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE ALLOWED AN ACREAGE, I THINK YOU CAN, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THIS ONE IS PARTICULARLY 3.3.
BEEN ALLOTTED FOR AN AMENITY DESIGN.
UH, ONCE WE CHOOSE THE BUILDERS, THEN WE'LL WORK WITH THE BUILDERS TO UH, COME UP WITH A FINAL AMENITY DESIGN.
SO AT WHAT POINT WILL THE AMENITY CENTER BE, BE BUILT? WAS IS IT AFTER YOU'VE BUILT ALL THE UNITS NOW? NO, NO.
WHY? IT'S USUALLY BY, THE BUILDERS USUALLY LIKE TO HAVE THE, THE INTEREST DONE PRETTY QUICKLY.
AND THEN THEY WANT THE AMENITY DONE WITHIN THE FIRST PHASE TAKE DOWN.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS LIKE THERE'LL BE SOME HOUSES THERE.
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KIOSK ALWAYS GOES IN FIRST BECAUSE THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN RECEIVE MAIL.I DUNNO IF I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT.
BUT, BUT ANYWAY, SO THAT HAPPENS.
AND THEN AMENITY IS, IS FORTHCOMING.
THERE MIGHT BE SOME HOUSES THAT WILL BE SOLD AND AND RESIDENTS LIVING IN THERE WHILE THE AMENITY IS BEING BUILT.
BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE ALL RESIDENTS LIVING IN THERE.
AND THEN THE AMENITY IS BUILT.
BECAUSE THE REASON I ASKED WAS EVERYBODY IN THE PRESERVE AND MAG PARK ARE USING AMENITIES IN HILTON HEAD LAKES AND IT'S PACKED.
THEY'RE LIKE SAWING ON THE POOL DECK.
UH, AND THAT'S WHAT I, I'M WONDERING IF WHEN YOU SELL THE HOMES IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, ARE YOU GOING TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF THE AMENITY CENTER? NO, THE HOA PART OF THE RCO HAS SORT BEEN DONE THIS, THESE LOTS THAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE, THESE DIFFERENT PODS HAVE AN A DEDICATED AMENITY, WHICH IS WHAT'S SET THERE WITH THE AMENITY SITE.
SO EVERYONE IN THAT AREA, THAT IS THEIR AMENITY.
SO, AND IF THEY WANNA SWIM IN THE PONDS, THEN MAYBE THEY CAN DO THAT TOO.
BUT I'M JUST, I'M JUST, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE FUNNY BUT NOT REALLY.
UM, THE MAYOR ASKED QUITE A BIT OF THE QUESTIONS I WAS GONNA ASK YOU.
SO I SEE THAT YOU'RE TAKING CARE OF THE CEMETERY.
AND THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION TOO.
IT'S STILL, PEOPLE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT AND THEY WANT TO MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO STICK TO YOUR WORD ABOUT THE FENCE AROUND IT.
EGRESS INGRESS AND THE CORRECT.
AND I ALREADY SEE THAT YOU GUYS, YEAH, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE PARKING ALREADY.
AND THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS A MASTER PLAN CONCEPT PLAN MM-HMM
BUT AS WE DIVE DOWN INTO THE ACTUAL SITE PLANS AND GO IN FOR PERMITTING, THEN YOU'LL SEE THAT THE DETAILS FOR THE PARKING ARE BEING LAID OUT.
UM, THE, THIS FENCE WILL GO AROUND THE ACTUAL BOUNDARY ITSELF.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA CUT DOWN TREES.
THE GOAL IS TO KEEP IT PRESERVED AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA CLEAR CUT THINGS AROUND THE THING AND THEN PUT A FENCE UP, BUT, OKAY.
UH, SO THE OTHER THING THAT I WAS GONNA ASK YOU IS STORM WATER ISSUES.
IS THERE ANY, WELL, I CAN SEE ALL THOSE BLUE AREAS IN THERE.
ARE YOUR PONDS STORMWATER DRAINAGE THINGS? CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT IT IS? MM-HMM
SO THE REASON I ASKED WAS I WENT ON THE JASPER COUNTY JUST MAP JUST TO SEE WHERE THE STORMWATER, UH, CLASSIFICATIONS ARE.
AND IT SEEMS THAT YOUR ENTIRE, UM, PROJECT IS WITHIN ZONE A AND ZONE AE.
SO I WENT TO THE FEMA WEBSITE AND WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT ZONE A ZONE AE, THAT'S CLASSIFIES THAT TO BE IN A SPECIAL FLOOD ZONE.
WELL EACH AND I SAW THAT IN EXHIBIT D, THAT CLASSIFICATION WAS ALSO ON YOUR EXHIBIT E AS WELL.
DO YOU WANT I DON'T, LEMME SEE IF I HAVE THAT EXHIBIT.
I'M KATE OPPENHEIMER WITH THOMAS AND HUTTON.
LET ME SEE IF WE HAVE, AND SO WHAT IS THE, WHAT'S KIND OF THE QUESTION WITH THAT? THE QUESTION WITH THAT WAS, UM, SINCE YOU A AND AE IS CONSIDERED BY FEMA TO BE IN A SPECIAL BLOOD ZONE, THERE ARE SOME EXTRA REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE TO MEET, UH, BEFORE YOU DO ANY OF THAT STUFF BEFORE YOU EVEN START.
SO WHEN WE, IT HAS TO BE A CERTIFI, A NO IMPACT CERTIFICATION FROM FEMA OR THE LOCAL AND NFIB UH, PERSON.
AND THAT CERTIFICATE MUST BE PROVIDED BEFORE COMMENCING CONSTRUCTION.
SO ALL OF THAT WILL BE HANDLED WHEN WE GO THROUGH PERMITTING.
UM, SO WE, WE, WE HAVE THE SITUATION ALL THE TIME WHERE WE'RE IN FLOOD ZONE A OR AE THERE'S A BASE FLOOD ELEVATION.
WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE ALL THE HOMES ARE ABOVE THAT BASE FLOOD ELEVATION.
UM, THERE'S A WHOLE SLEW OF THINGS WE NEED TO FOLLOW, BUT WE ALWAYS, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THE PERMITTING.
WE HAVE TO, WE WON'T GET A PERMIT WITHOUT MAKING SURE WE HIT EVERYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED FOR US.
UM, SO, UM, HOW MUCH OF THE STORM WATER IS GOING TO BE DONE
LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE FROM ALL YOUR DRAINS AND STUFF AND A YARD RUNOFF AND ALL OF THAT STUFF YOU LIKE GOES INTO, WHERE DOES IT DISCHARGE INTO, UH, FROM YOUR IMPERVIOUS SURFACES? WHERE DOES THAT? UH, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A, IF YOU DON'T HAVE, THERE SHOULD BE THIS, UH, STORMWATER.
OH NO, THAT'S NOT THE STORMWATER.
WE GOT A MASTER JUST SO I DON'T DUNNO IF THAT GOT THIS OR NOT.
UM, THERE IS AN EXHIBIT WITHIN THIS PACKAGE YEAH.
THAT SHOWS A MASTER STORM DRYING.
IT'S VERY, AND IT KIND OF SHOWS WHERE THE WATER IS GOING.
AND WHAT WE DID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PART, UH, PROJECT WAS, SO TYPICALLY EACH POD WOULD BE IN TREATED INDEPENDENTLY.
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AN OVERALL VIEW AND WE TOOK THE WHOLE AREAS, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SEEN TODAY.AND WE DID A MASTER OVER A MASTER STORMWATER PLAN.
SO AS YOU SEE THE UNITS, WE'VE LINKED DIFFERENT PONDS TOGETHER TO MAXIMIZE.
SO IF THIS SECTION GETS OVERFILLED, THEN THE ONE THAT JOINING IT CAN ACTUALLY GO TO THAT.
AND THEN IT GOES TO THE OTHER ONE.
AND IT'S A TEAR TAPPING, IT'S TIER STEPPING, UM, PLAN.
THAT ALLOWS, IF IT'S A 500 YEAR FLOOD, IT THERE'S GONNA BE AIR.
'CAUSE I KNOW WHERE THE CONCERN IS.
ALTHOUGH THE PICTURES THAT WE'VE SEEN WITH AREAS AND, AND FLOODING THE EXISTING PORTION OF HILTON HEAD LAKES DEAL WITH PONDS AND THAT AREA IS INDEPENDENT AND SEPARATE IN THIS AREA.
SO THIS WATER FROM THIS, THESE PODS ARE NOT GOING OVER TO WHAT'S ALREADY BUILT AND CONSTRUCTED.
I, OKAY, I I I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT.
MY, MY CONCERN IS WHEN, WHEN TROPICAL STORM DEBBIE CAME THROUGH, YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LAKES MM-HMM
I MEAN IT WAS GOING INTO PEOPLE'S YARDS AND STUFF.
AND MY THING IS PE THIS, WHEN SOMEBODY BUYS A HOUSE THAT IS THEIR BIGGEST LIFE INVESTMENTS MM-HMM
AND, AND IF YOU GUYS, WHEN YOU'RE STARTING YOUR CONSTRUCTION DON'T HAVE A REALLY GOOD STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IN PLACE AND WE HAVE A WHATEVER RAIN SYSTEM WE GET AND IT RAINS NONSTOP FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS, IF THAT STORM WATER HAS NO PLACE TO GO, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU IN INCREASE THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THAT WATER TO GO OTHER THAN INTO THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND THEN INTO THOSE PONDS AND THEN OUT WHERE IT GOES TO.
SO MY CONCERN IS THE DEPTH OF THESE WET PONDS AND THE PREVENTION OF, UH, IT OVERTOPPING THOSE PONDS AND THEN POSSIBLY GOING INTO THOSE HOMES OR, OR SOMEPLACE ELSE.
BECAUSE MY THING IS PREVENTION IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN THE FIX.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS WILL BUILD YOUR STUFF AND YOUR BIG FEET OUTTA HERE AND THEN THE CITY IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO, TO TAKE CARE OF THE FLOODING AND HANDLE THE FLOODING.
ALL THOSE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE PAYING A LOT OF FLOOD INSURANCE BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T GOT FLOOD NOW.
SO I BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT WE START THE PREVENTION ISSUE RIGHT NOW, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS REQUIRED, TO ME THAT IS MORE PRUDENT AND IT SHOWS THAT YOU GUYS ARE RESPONSIBLE BUILDERS BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A LIFETIME INVESTMENT FOR FOLKS AND THEN TO WATCH THEIR HOME GET FLOODED OUT.
UH, THAT TO ME IS UNACCEPTABLE.
SO, UH, I KNOW, UM, IN MORGAN TRACK AND ACROSS MORGAN TRACK, THE SOUTH POINT DIVISION, THEY WENT OVER AND ABOVE THE REGULAR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT ISSUE.
THEY ACTUALLY INCREASED INCREASE THE DEPTH ON THE PART SO THAT THERE'S NO OVER TOPPING.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT IS WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE INCREASE IMPROVE SERVICES, THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THAT HOT WATER TO GO.
WE WILL MEET OR EXCEED ANY DESIGN THAT IS REQUIRED.
AND WE HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AT DIGGING AND THEY CALL IT OVER DIGGING THE PONDS IN THIS AREA.
SO MOST OF THESE PONDS BY REGULATION ARE REQUIRED TO BE EITHER WERE FROM 10 TO 12 FEET MM-HMM
AND WE HAVE CERTAIN INSTANCES WILL EXCEED THAT 10 FEET OKAY.
AND, AND THE CULVERS THAT, UH, IS GONNA GO THROUGH, UM, UH, OVER THE WET POND CROSSINGS AND ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IS IT, IS IT STANDARD WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO INSTALL OR ARE YOU GOING TO TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PROACTIVE AND THEN INSTALL? I I CAN SAY JUST FROM COULTER THAT WE ARE EXTREMELY PROACTIVE.
AND I SAY THAT AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE HISTORY OF US BEING HERE, THAT WE TRY TO, TO DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN.
UM, AND ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE IS A POND THAT WE'VE, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE, THE BACK IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
WE'VE ALREADY EXCEEDED SOME OF THESE PONDS ON THE MAIN SPINE ROAD THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY BUILDING MM-HMM
AND THOSE CALLED OUT FOR THOSE PONDS, IF YOU SEE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS IS A POINTER.
THESE PONDS RIGHT HERE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ONLY 10 FEET AND THEY'RE 20 TO 25 FEET DEEP.
AND THAT'S ON THE MAIN ROAD THAT ACTS AS AN OVERFLOW FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
SO YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE THOSE INCREASE THE DEPTH OF THOSE PONDS SO THAT WE ARE NOT, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT OVER TOPPING IN, IN A SUSTAINED RAIN EVENT.
I CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT THE PONDS CAN OVERFLOW.
'CAUSE I CAN'T PREDICT WEATHER.
IT CAN RAIN 36 INCHES IN ONE DAY AND THERE'S NOT SINGLE POND ANYWHERE THAT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO HOLD IT.
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BUT I, SO THAT EXPECTATION, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT WE CAN, WE CAN PUT A PARAMETER ON THERE, BUT WHAT I CAN SAY COMFORTABLY IS THAT IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO EXCEED THAT, THEN WE WILL THANK YOU.THAT'S, THAT WAS MY BIGGEST, UM, IS UM, IF YOU WANT TO, I BELIEVE THAT PREVENTION IS, IS A BETTER WAY TO GO THAN AFTER FACT.
AND THE OTHER THING TO LOOK AT IT, WELL, WELL I'M NOT GONNA MAKE YOU GO BACK THEN AGAIN.
UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE BELOW PODS H ONE, H TWO, AND F THREE, THE ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S THAT VERY LARGE WETLAND SYSTEM.
SO ALL OF THE PONDS THAT ARE KIND OF ADJACENT TO THAT CAN HAVE OVERFLOW WEIRS.
THAT ONCE THAT BIG STORM EVENT COMES AND ALL THE WATER'S RUSHING IN, IT CAN JUST RELEASE THAT WATER AT A MUCH FASTER RATE TO PREVENT IN A, YOU KNOW, A MAJOR 500 YEAR STORM FROM THOSE HOUSES FROM FLOODING.
THAT'S AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT.
THAT'S WHAT THE OTHER FOLKS THAT WE APPROVED, THAT'S WHAT THEY WENT WITH THE 500 YEAR STONE.
EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO DATA TO SUPPORT A A 500 YEAR STONE, THEY USE THE DATA FROM THE OTHER STONES TO EXTRAPOLATE A FIGURE.
AND THEY WENT FROM THAT WITH MORGAN AND SOUTH POINT TRACK.
SO I, I'M KIND OF HOPING THAT YOU GUYS WILL FOLLOW SUIT.
SO WE GET A HANDLE ON THE STORMWATER ISSUE RIGHT FROM THE GET GO.
I MEAN WE'VE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF HAVE ALREADY COMPLETED THOSE TASKS.
SO, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT YES.
UM, WE, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO POINT OUT WITH THOSE PONDS BEING OVER DUG.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE LOTS OF WETLANDS AROUND THAT ABSORB A LOT OF WATER FROM EVERYWHERE AND WE'RE TRYING TO, WE CANNOT PREDICT WEATHER.
WE CAN ONLY REACT TO WHAT WE CAN DESIGN TO MM-HMM
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU DESIGN TO A TWO YEAR A HUNDRED, THEN YOU HAVE A 300 AND THEN THAT FAILS, THEN YOU DESIGN TO A 500 AND YOU HAVE A THOUSAND YEARS.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S A NEVER ENDING STORY.
RENA, DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH OF TREES ARE GOING TO BE FILLED IN THIS AREA? BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE UH, 15 TREES PER THEY BECAUSE OF, AS WE'VE MENTIONED MANY TIMES BEFORE, BECAUSE OF THE, UM, FILL THAT'S NECESSARY IN A LOT OF THESE, UM, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF TREES COMING DOWN.
THERE'S MAINLY PLANTED PINE OUT THERE.
I DON'T THINK THERE, THE ONLY HARDWOODS I WOULD BELIEVE IN ARE IN THE WETLANDS, WHICH CAN'T BE REMOVED.
UM, BUT THEY WILL HAVE A REPLANTING PLAN AND A AND A, UM, THEY STILL HAVE THAT STANDARD PER OUR MZDO AND PER THE UM, IMP AND PDD, WE'VE MADE SURE THAT WE'VE COVERED IT IN ALL THREE PLACES.
CHRIS IS THE ONE THAT MONITORS THAT.
AND UM, WE MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE NOT ONLY REPLANTED OR PUT IN PLACE WITH WHAT CAN BE PRESERVED BUT UM, MAINTAINED TO MAKE SURE THEY STILL FLOURISH.
SO HOPEFULLY THESE WILL BE REPLACED WITH NATIVE PLANTS.
THEY HAVE TO, MOST OF, PROBABLY 90% OF IT'S OAKS ANYWAY.
THEN, SORRY, THE MITIGATION TREE IS AN OAK.
AND WHAT YOU HAVE OUT THERE, AND I, I KNOW THAT PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THERE'S VERY SMALL PINES AND THERE'S STUFF YOU'VE GOT UM, GOT SOME CYPRESS IN THE WETLANDS THAT WE'RE NOT TOUCHING MM-HMM
AND OUR ENTIRE DESIGN, EVEN THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CONSTRUCTION HERE, IS KEEPING AND MAINTAINING THE TREES AS LONG AS POSSIBLE AND USING THE DRAINAGE DITCHES THAT ARE EXISTING AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO INSTEAD OF JUST CLEARING ALL OF THEM, WE'VE ACTUALLY GI MEAN WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO THAT YET, BUT G WE'RE SETTING UP THROUGH PHASES TO KEEP TREES AND THEN FILL AS WE GO.
'CAUSE AS BRENNA SAID, I'VE GOT ANYWHERE FROM THREE TO FIVE TO SEVEN FEET OF FILL OUT THERE.
SO I CAN'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
YOU CAN HAVE A BEAUTIFUL TREE THERE AND HAVE SEVEN FEET OF FILL RIGHT.
TO HEAP THE HOMEOWNERS FROM BEING FLOODED.
AND THEN THE TREE DIES ANYWAY AND THEN YOU GOT A GIANT HOLE THAT HOLDS THE WATER AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SO TREES ARE COMING DOWN.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY TO EXCEED THE MITIGATION BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING IN MORE PLANT PLANTS THAT'S REQUIRED IN ORDER TO KEEP THAT.
I THINK I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION.
UM, WILL, AS EACH PHASE IS COMPLETED, WILL THE TREES BE PLANTED ALONG THE PHASES? ARE YOU GONNA WAIT TO PLANT THE TREES WHEN EVERYTHING IS DONE? BECAUSE I WOULD REALLY PREFER FOR YOU GUYS TO DO THE PLANTING AS THE PHASES ARE COMPLETED.
THAT'S THE WAY WE, WE CHANGED THE ORDINANCE TO WELL AND YES.
AND THERE'S, AS THE DEVELOPER, WE PUT TREES DOWN THE MAIN ROAD AND THE MAIN ROADS, THE BUILDERS COME IN AND IT'S AS THEY COMPLETE THE HOUSES THEY'RE PUTTING THE TREES IN.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO BENEFIT TO PUT THE TREES IN THERE AND HAVE 'EM BE KILLED.
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STANDARDS THAT BEFORE WE LET THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT RELEASE THE CO WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE STORM WATERS IN PLACE, ALL OF THAT AND THAT THE LANDSCAPING AND TREE PRESERVATION'S DONE CORRECTLY AS WELL.YOU MENTIONED THAT YOUR AMENITY CENTER IS TWO ACRES, THREE ACRES, APPROXIMATELY.
UM, AND THEN YOU SAID MAIL KI SOCK THERE KIOSK.
I WOULD PREFER AND THAT'S, WE DON'T MITIGATE THAT.
WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO U-S-P-D-S TO TALK TO THEM.
UH, PREFERABLY YOU WOULD WANT, YOU KNOW, ONE KIOSK PER COUPLE HUNDRED UNITS.
AND 'CAUSE OF TRAFFIC SITUATION.
AND SO IT'S A NEGOTIATION THAT AS A DEVELOPER WE PREFER, BUT WE ARE ONLY HELD TO THEIR STANDARD.
MY DEVELOPMENT HAS ONE AT THE AMENITY CENTER THAT HAS 900 IN THERE.
AND THAT AMENITY CENTER HAS PARKING FOR APPROXIMATELY 70 CARS.
BUT IT'S ALSO AN AMENITY CENTER.
AND I THINK PLEASE TRY TO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE POST OFFICE BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE KIDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND THERE.
MY DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T HAVE THAT.
SO I GOT SOME CRAZY ADULTS BUT NO KIDS.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE, IT COULD BE VERY DIFFICULT AND VERY DANGEROUS, UM, TO HAVE THAT.
YOU HAVE YOUR POCKET PARKS, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE IDEAL LOCATIONS MAYBE AS THEY SPOTTED AROUND.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN ASSIST YOU WITH THE POST OFFICE, I'D LOVE TO GIVE IT A, A TRY BECAUSE WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENED NOW IS DEFINITELY NOT WORKING.
I MIGHT TAKE YOU UP ON THAT BECAUSE IT IS, AND AS THE DEVELOPER, OUR PREFERENCE NOT TO HAVE AN ISLAND OF 900 TO A THOUSAND.
IT'S NOT, I MEAN IT'S A NIGHTMARE WAITING TO HAPPEN.
AND THE POSTMASTER IS NOW SITTING IN ON SRC WHEN THAT HASN'T HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
SHE COMES TO MOST OF THEM, NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT THAT IS ALWAYS, UM, ADDRESSED EARLY ON WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
WE CAN CERTAINLY STATE AS PART OF THAT PROCESS THAT IT'S OUR PREFERENCE TO HAVE THAT SPREAD OUT.
UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH INFLUENCE IN TERMS OF THE DECISION THAT THEY ULTIMATELY COME TO.
I'LL BE REAL BRIEF AND WE'LL MOVE ON.
HOW IS THIS BEING PLANNED TO BE DEVELOPED? BACK UP
SO RIGHT NOW OUR PROCESS AND WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS IS H TWO, WHICH IS THE TOWN HOMES WILL BE THE FIRST, WHERE IS H TWO, RIGHT.
AND THEN THE SECOND IF YOU WANT TO, I CAN DO IT LOOKS PROBABLY EASIER.
SO THIS WILL BE FIRST AND THIS HALF OF THIS WILL BE SECOND.
AND THEN AFTER, AND ONCE THE BUILDERS GET THROUGH THIS SECTION, THEN THEY GO TO THE TOP SECTION HERE AND WE RELEASE LOTS THERE.
THIS TOP SECTION AND F THREE ARE GONNA BE ROUGHLY AROUND THE SAME TIME AND G WILL BE IN BETWEEN.
LIKE THIS FIRST HALF IS GONNA BE ONE PHASE AND THEN THE SECOND HALF WILL BE A SECOND PHASE AND THEN THESE WILL BE LATER DOWN THE LINE.
WHEN I SAY LATER THREE TO FIVE YEARS AS THE MARKET.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY BUYING, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO AS THE BUILDERS, THEY HAVE WHAT WE CALL A TAKE DOWN SCHEDULE.
SO THEY BUY A COUPLE UP FRONT AND THEN PER QUARTER THEY TAKE FIVE 10 LOTS.
HERE, SO HERE'S THE REASON FOR THE QUESTION.
I SEE ONLY IN THE FIRST 850 HOMES, ONE, UM, ACCESS POINT TO THE MAIN ROAD TO GET OUT TO 2 78 AND LIVING IN A COMMUNITY THAT HAS A LOT OF TWISTS AND TURNS TO GET OUT OF MY CONCERN IS FOR FIRE AND RESCUE TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE FAR END IN LESS THAN AN HOUR.
SO YOU DON'T SEE, SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I SEE ONE ACCESS TO THE MAIN ROAD.
AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF TWISTS AND TURNS TO GET TO THE BACKSIDE OF IT.
SO THE QUESTION IS, AM I LOOKING AT THIS
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RIGHT? IS THERE ONLY ONE ACCESS TO THE MAIN ROAD ON THIS FIRST 850 HOMES? THIS IS THE MAIN ACCESS, CORRECT SIR? YES.THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND DOWN HERE.
AND OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO HIT THAT ACCESS POINT.
I, I WOULD NOT SAY IT'S IMMEDIATE BUT SOON.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN TOO.
AND ALSO TO BRING, AND NOT TO MUDDY THE WATERS A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THIS ROAD A CONNECTION POINT THAT WILL BE HAPPENING ABOUT THE SAME TIME THAT THIS TOP HALF IS COMPLETED.
BUT THE ROAD A STILL HAS TO BE ACCESSED DOWN HERE UP.
BUT TO GET OUT OF THE FIRST 850, EVERYBODY HAS TO COME OUT TO THAT ONE SPOT.
AM I LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT? ARE YOU YES, I THINK, YEAH.
SO ARE YOU ASKING TO SEE IF WE ARE GOING TO BUILD THIS ACCESS POINT AND THIS OR DO WE NEED TO ADD THAT SECTION TO WELL I, WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU IS WITH ONLY ONE ROAD IN AND 850 HOMES TO PASS TO GET TO THE BACK, MY CONCERN IS FOR FIRST RESPONDERS.
AND, AND HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE THEM TO NAVIGATE TO GET TO THE FAR ENDS IF THEY'RE ON A CALL.
SO ONE OPTION COULD BE LOOKED AT IS DOING AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY EMERGENCY ACCESS UNTIL THIS IS, UNTIL F TWO IS BUILT AN EMERGENCY ACCESS TO THAT.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, A GOOD SUGGESTION.
CHIEF, DO YOU, ARE YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR AM I JUST BLOWING OFF STEAM? I HAVE THE BACK.
UM, INITIALLY A LITTLE, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT, FROM THAT ENTRANCE TO THE VERY BACK IS.
SO IF IT'S, THAT COULD BE A HALF MILE, IT COULD BE A MILE.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DISTANCE.
SO THE LONGER IT IS, THE WORSE IT BECOMES.
SEE, BUT IT, IF IT'S JUST ONE ROAD, IT'S NO PROBLEM.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.
BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE HAVING TO MAKE ALL THESE TURNS IN HERE, 'CAUSE AGAIN, YOU, YOU KNOW WHERE I LIVE, YOU LIVE, YOU KNOW WHERE I LIVE, IT'S, IT'S LIKE, UM, A MAZE.
AND THE BACKSIDE HAS A LOT OF TURNS TO GET TO.
AND I JUST WANNA AVOID THAT HERE.
I WANT YOU TO BE COMFORTABLE THAT YOUR GUYS CAN GET BACK THERE IN THE TIME THAT YOU HAVE TARGETED YOUR GOALS TO SERVICE, UH, WITHIN THE RESPONSE TIMES THAT YOU'RE EXPECTED, RIGHT? I'M ASSUMING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS SECTION HERE.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IN THIS SECTION WOULD BE THIS ONE ROAD.
THAT ONE ROAD IS ONE IN AND ONE OUT.
THE OTHER ONE'S YOU GONNA HAVE ALTERNATE WAYS AROUND.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SQUARE SO I CAN, IF IF THIS ROAD'S BLOCKED, WE CAN COME THIS WAY.
THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD GIVE ME ANY CONCERN PERSONALLY.
BUT THEN IF, IF THEY COME DOWN THAT ONE ROAD, THEN IF THEY'RE GOING TO THE TOP LEFT, THEY, THEY'VE GOT A COUPLE TURNS.
YOU ARE ALL I'M ASKING YOU AND THE BUILDERS AND BROWN, LIKE THEY'VE DONE, MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE THAT THEY, YOU CAN, YOU CAN MEET YOUR RESPONSE TIME GOALS WITH WHAT THEY DO.
IF YOU NEED A TEMPORARY ANOTHER ACCESS, TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, I'M LEAVING IN YOUR HANDS.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT MY CONCERN.
DEFINITELY PART OF SRC AS WELL.
GUESS WE INCLUDE THEM ON EVERYTHING.
THAT'S WHY I, I PUT 'EM ON THE SPOT.
GO AHEAD TO WHERE THE CEMETERY IS BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY UP HERE HAS CEMETERY QUESTIONS.
UM, BUT I'LL TRY TO DO IT FOR THEM.
NOW IT'S SAYING THERE'S GONNA BE A 50 FOOT BUFFER AND IT, IT'S GOING TO BE LEFT ASIDE.
UH, DO WE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A HUGE TRAFFIC COMING TO SEE THAT CEMETERY.
THERE HASN'T BEEN FOR THE LAST A HUNDRED YEARS.
I DOUBT IT'S GOING TO BE FORWARD, BUT, UH, AND BRENA AND CHRIS, UH, I'M NOT GONNA ELABORATE, I'LL JUST LEAVE IN YOUR HANDS.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOMES THAT ARE GONNA BE LINING THAT AREA, UM, THAT THEY HAVE ENOUGH BUFFER, WHATEVER, CLEAN THEM, YOU KNOW, LEAVE THE TREES AROUND THAT CEMETERY.
THAT'S MY, YOU KNOW, BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT AGAIN.
I'LL LEAVE THAT IN YOUR HANDS.
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ENOUGH SPACE THAT THEY'RE NOT INFRINGING.I DON'T WANT LIKE WHAT HAPPENED DOWN THE STREET IN JASPER COUNTY, YOU HAVE THE EXACT SAME QUESTIONS THAT KATIE AND HAD IMMEDIATELY 'CAUSE THE OTHER THING IN JASPER COUNTY WAS HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME THAT THIS CAME INTO US.
SO, UM, WE'RE ALL, I I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO GRAVE, YOU KNOW, 20 FEET FROM SOMEBODY'S KITCHEN.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT SOUNDS STUPID BUT IT JUST GO DOWN THE STREET AND YOU'LL SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH WE HAVE THAT, WE HAVE THAT 50 FOOT BUFFER TO REMAIN AROUND THE CEMETERY.
AND AND WHAT I'M ASKING STAFF IS MAKE SURE THAT'S ENOUGH.
IS THERE, WILL THERE BE A FENCE AROUND THE CEMETERY PROPERTY? YES.
AND WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING IT? IT'LL BECOME PART OF THE HOAI ASSUME.
I MEAN I WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH LOGISTICS OF PUTTING UP A FENCE 'CAUSE IT DOES TWO THINGS.
IT ALSO HELPS THE CONSTRUCTION TO KEEP KIDS AND PEOPLE FROM GOING AND
SO AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW THE LOGISTIC, IT MIGHT BE THE BRIAN DAMN SOCIETY THAT TAKES OVER
BUT DON'T WANT SOMEBODY'S GRAVE SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE.
IF IT'S GOING TO BE FENCED, SOMEBODY'S GONNA TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE IN OUR PROCESS.
UH, SO WE JUST BUZZED THROUGH THAT FIRST POD.
CAN WE MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE? ALL RIGHT, WHERE ARE WE? YOU CAN, UM, OKAY, THAT'S PERFECT.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT, THIS ONE HAS TWO COMMUNITY ENTRANCES OFF OF LAKESIDE, EMERSON LAKE BOULEVARD.
I'M SORRY I KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THOSE.
BUT, UM, DIFFERENT EXHIBITS HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE, CHRIS.
THAT'S WHAT THIS ONE IS LOCATED.
[B.CONSIDERATION OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR A]
H, H TWO AND F THREE.THAT'S WHAT'S CLOSE TO SURROUNDING IT.
MAXIMUM OF 550 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS.
THIS ONE DOES HAVE, UM, A LOT OF FRONTAGE ON I 95.
AND YOU COULD SEE THAT THAT HAS BEEN INCLUDED WITH THE, UM, PLANS FOR THE BUFFERS.
THE AMENITY CENTER IS PLANNED WITH PROXIMITY TO THE NORTHERN COMMUNITY ENTRANCE.
UM, CONNECTIVITY AND PATHWAY ALONG THE BOULEVARD WILL BE PROVIDED.
THOSE SIDE SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS WILL BE ALSO CONNECTED TO WHAT'S ALONG THE BOULEVARD.
UM, THE OTHER INFORMATION IS CLEAR, IS THE SAME.
[HEAD LAKES WEST - PODS H AND F-3 (+/- 225.9 ACRES]
ARE ALL DETACHED 550 DETACHED ONLY RESIDENTIAL UNITS.UM, THIS ONE ALSO HAS THE, THE SIDEWALKS AS WE MENTIONED AND TRAILS AS WELL AS, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE YELLOW ASTERISK.
THERE ARE THE CONNECTIVITY BACK DOWN TO THE POD.
WE JUST REFERRED TO 46% OPEN SPACE AND 11 ACTIVE.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WE CAN ON THAT ONE BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT POD OR IF YOU WANNA GO OFF.
AND WHAT WAS THE, UM, ACREAGE ON THAT ONE? 2, 2 23.
THESE ARE ALSO 40, 50 AND 60 FOOT LOTS.
EVERYTHING IN THE COMMUNITY IS 40, 50 OR 60 FOOT.
AND IT MIGHT BE 42 52 BECAUSE IT ADDS A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE OF THE EVE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
BUT HOME SIZES JUST LIKE THE OTHER ONE.
1700 AND IN THAT AREA, CORRECT.
AND FRONT LOAD, CORRECT SIDEWALKS, ROUTE POCKET PARKS ACCESS POINTS.
YEAH, IT'S PRETTY MUCH AN EXTENSION OF H ONE WITHOUT THE TOWN HOMES WITH ENDO CEMETERY.
THESE ARE ONE STORY, TWO STORY COMBINATIONS OR COMBINATION OF BOTH.
UM, JOSH OR PINA? REFRESH MY MEMORY.
DO WE HAVE IN THE DA UM, DO WE HAVE UH, RECREATION IN HERE WITH RECREATION FEES? YEAH.
WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M GETTING IN PARKS AND REC.
WHAT I'M GETTING AT, IF IF, DO WE HAVE MONEY IN THE DA FEES? SO IN ONE OF THESE POCKET PARKS WE WANTED TO PUT A PLAYGROUND IN.
WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY, UH, TO IT WITH ANOTHER ONE.
IS IT IN HERE? WE BELIEVE SO SHE'S PULLING UP THE DOCUMENT RIGHT NOW, SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO ALRIGHT, WE
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DON'T HAVE TO HOLD IT UP.IF YOU COULD JUST CHECK THAT OUT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT WITH THESE POCKET PARKS.
IF THESE COMMUNITIES WANNA PUT IN PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WE HAVE MONEY SET ASIDE FOR IT.
I'M SORRY IF I SEE ON THIS ONE TOO.
LET'S GO BACK TO THE, OKAY WE GO.
UM, I SEE A COUPLE OF THE DEAD END STREETS THERE, UM, WHERE MOST OF THE STREETS RECONNECT, BUT THERE ARE STILL GOING TO BE A FEW DEAD END STREETS WITHIN THE, THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND, AND WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS YES, THIS ISN'T GOING TO ALL BE BUILT AT ONCE, BUT AS WE MOVE THROUGH WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE KNOW THAT THE FIRE STATION THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE MOVED PLANNING AHEAD.
THAT WE KNOW THAT THESE ARE GOING TO HAPPEN IS GOING TO BE, UH, INSTRUMENTAL IN FINANCING A NEW FIRE STATION.
SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT WAS ADDRESSED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH, UM, WHICH RINA CAN, CAN SPEAK TO A LITTLE BIT.
BUT, UM, THERE IS A, A THRESHOLD OF WHEN THAT STATION HAS TO BE READY TO GO.
UM, AND THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED AND WE WILL CERTAINLY BE MONITORING IT, I'M SURE.
HE'S ALREADY TALKING ABOUT IT.
SO YOU PROVIDE US WITH THAT AGAIN BECAUSE AN OVERLOAD OF INFORMATION WE AT THE COUNCIL NEED TO KNOW THAT INFORMATION.
WE'LL MAKE SURE AS IT COMES AWAY WE HAVE THAT NUMBER.
AND WE, WE PULLED THOSE DA FEES.
THERE IS FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, IT WAS 1,115 FOR PARK FEES AND THEN YOU HAVE SEVEN 80 PER MULTIFAMILY UNIT.
UM, THAT'S SUBJECT TO AN ADJUSTMENT FACTOR BASED ON WHEN THEY BILLED THAT.
AND I BELIEVE I WAS LOOKING AT THIS UP, UM, MR. MESMAN, YOUR QUESTION WAS REGARDING THE TRIGGERS FOR A PUBLIC SAFETY SITE.
IT'S THE ISSUANCE OF THE 13TH HUNDRED CO OR IF THE CONSTRUCTION REACHES A POINT WHERE OUR ISO WILL BE AFFECTED.
SO THEN THAT'S A, IF THAT OCCURS SOONER THAN THE 1300, THEN THE TRIGGER OCCURS SOONER.
SO BASICALLY THE FIRST TWO PODS WOULD BE COMPLETE MM-HMM
AND IT'S A CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION OF $3 MILLION.
AND MAYOR, JUST WORKING SOME QUICK SIMPLE MATH.
SO IF YOU HAVE 550 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AT 1,115 PER UNIT GENERATES A LITTLE OVER $600,000 FOR PARK FEES.
SO WE HAVE ENOUGH TO TO BUY PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT HERE AND STILL HAVE SOME FOR BACK HERE.
OF COURSE I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WHEN I RETIRE.
I'M GONNA COME OVER HERE AND GO ON A SPLASH PAD.
UM, FINALLY WE, IF WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON TO PO G, UM,
[HEAD LAKES WEST – POD G (+/- 306.7 ACRES)]
OFF OF THE PARKWAY AS WELL.AND IT IS MORE INTERIOR, IT IS CON UH, AGAINST THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
AND THEN WHAT IS, UM, MAG MAGNOLIA WALK AND, AND, UM, THE PRESERVE BACK IN THERE.
UM, MAXIMUM OF 600 UNITS ATTACHED AND DETACHED AGAIN ON THIS ONE.
UM, AND I THINK, LET'S LOOK AT THE OPEN SPACE NUMBERS, CHRIS.
THERE'S THE SIDEWALKS IN IT AND CONNECTIVITY PLAN.
49% OPEN SPACE WITH 10% ACTIVE.
AND YOU CAN SEE ON THAT, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, MODEL COURT SHOWN AS WELL AS THE AMENITY CENTER ALL UP AT THE FRONT, THAT FIRST ENTRANCE.
UM, THERE'S TOTALLY 2000 HOMES HERE.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY, UM, AND AGAIN, EVERYTHING DEPENDS ON THE MARKET, BUT WHAT IS YOUR HOPE FOR BUILD OUT OF ALL 2000 A PIECE? I MEAN IT'S THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BLOW THROUGH THIS.
THE, THE MOST WE HAVE PROJECTED IS MAYBE 3, 3 50, 4 50, AROUND 2028 OR 2029
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BEST CASE SCENARIO.UM, AND THAT'S WITH GGI WILL SAY THIS IS GONNA BE AN ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITY, SO IT WOULD MOST LIKELY BE GATED.
SO THIS, THIS ONE IS, UM, AGE, AGE RESTRICTED, GATED.
IT WAS A LITTLE EASIER TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S OFF, IT'S ISOLATED.
THERE'S NO CEMETERY, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES TWO ACCESS POINTS AND IT, IT CAN, AND IT'S NOT A HUGE ONE EITHER.
AND IT SAYS 600 UNITS, BUT MOST LIKELY IT'S GONNA BE LESS THAN THAT.
DO WE HAVE A CEMETERY IN AN AGE RESTRICTED
IT'S NOT A GOOD SELLING POINT.
NO, I THINK IT'S A GOOD MARKET.
IS ONE, IS ONE CEMETERY ENOUGH FOR AN AGE RESTRICTED
YOU CAN, YOU CAN STAY CLOSE TO YOUR FAMILY ALL THE TIME.
TALK ABOUT AN ALL INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY.
WE TRY TO TRY TO, WE GOT OFF THAT ROAD REAL QUICK.
I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THAT.
AND AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT AND TIMELINE, IT'S, IT'S NOT TOMORROW.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO ROLL THEM OUT IN A GENERAL WAY AND OFFER A TOWN HOME PRODUCT.
A, A MIDDLE, LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A 40 FOOT LOT, A 50 FOOT LOT, A 60 FOOT LOT AND ALSO THE AGE RESTRICTED AREA.
SO IT'S LAYERED AND THIS WILL BE THE LAST OF THE THREE, UH, AS YOU BUILD, UH, IT'S NOT THE LAST IT'S, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT THE BEGINNING EITHER, CORRECT? IT'S AS YOU GO UP EMERSON LAKE, YOU CAN SEE IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST ONES ON THE RIGHT, BUT IT'S ABOUT A YEAR BEHIND THE TOWN HOMES ON THE LEFT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH AND THE MAIN SPINE ROAD IS FULLY, WILL BE FULLY COMPLETED UP TO THE BRIDGE CROSSING AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.
SO THE ROAD ONLY PAST THIS INTERSECTION RIGHT HERE AND IT SAYS COMMUNITY ENTRANCE NUMBER TWO.
GONNA BE PAVED BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR.
UH, YOU KNOW, MY WORRY WITH SOME OF THOSE FE IN THERE, THERE IS A STREET, I THINK CHIEF KEMP WILL PROBABLY KNOW THIS IN MY WALK.
I HAD TO DO A THREE POINT TURN TO GET OUT OF THAT TO, TO GET OUT BACK OUT OF THERE.
THERE'S NO WAY A FIRETRUCK IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIT DOWN THAT STREET.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU GET EMERGENCY VEHICLES IN THEIR, THEIR ACCESS, THEIR INGRESS AND EGRESS, UH, AND KNOW WHETHER THAT'S GOING TO BE ADEQUATE SPACE FOR THEM TO TURN THEIR VEHICLE VEHICLES AROUND.
I I CAN HELP THE CHIEF ON THIS ONE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF, IF HE REMEMBERS THAT.
DO YOU REMEMBER IT? THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THAT, UM, THIS WAS DONE.
UM, THAT ONE, THAT ONE IN MAG WALK SPECIFICALLY WAS APPROVED YEARS AGO WHEN THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A TOWN CENTER.
UM, AND I WANNA SAY 2007, 2008 APPROXIMATELY.
OUR STANDARDS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN.
AND YES, THE, THE FIRE MARSHAL IS AWARE OF THAT AND WE ARE, UM, WE MADE OTHER ARRANGEMENTS FOR THAT ONE AS WELL BECAUSE THERE'S HOUSES ALL THE WAY TO THE VERY BOTTOM OF THAT STREET AND THERE'S NO WAY I CAN'T TURN MY HONDA IN THERE.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA HOW THESE GUYS ARE GOING TO CHANGE, YOU KNOW, TURN THEIR EQUIPMENT AROUND.
THEY HAVE GOTTEN CREATIVE
UNLESS THEY'RE GOING SOME'S YARD.
HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT GETTING A SMALL CAR? I GOT A BIGGER CAR.
YOUR COMMUNITY ENTRANCE WHEN YOU SAID THE ROAD WILL BE COMPLETED TO THE SECOND ONE, THE HIGHER ONE OR JUST THE LOWER ONE? THE HIGHER ONE, THE HIGHER ONE WILL BE WORKING.
YEAH, IT'S 50 FOOT EASEMENT GULF CENTER AND A SIDEWALK.
THIS STANDARD 24 CONNECTIVITY TO THE PATHWAYS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S JUST WHAT WE SHOW HERE AS WE GET IN.
I MEAN THE GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THESE NATURE POND AREAS AND STUFF.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS AROUND THIS POND ANYWAY, SO MM-HMM
TURNING THAT TO A MULTI-USE TRAIL IS NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST AN INITIAL PLAN.
IF ANYTHING, AS I WAS SAYING BEFORE, SOME OF THESE LOTS WILL BE REDUCED.
SO THAT'S THE MAX THAT WE CAN DO THERE.
BUT WE ARE, WE'RE ACTUALLY TARGETING, TARGETING LESS THAN THAT TO GIVE MORE SPACE OPPORTUNITY.
UM, FIRE, FIRE TERMS ALL PART OF ANY KIND OF CUL-DE-SAC.
THAT'S ALL PART OF THE DESIGN.
DESIGN AND IT'S ON THE PLANS AS WELL.
YEAH, I I WAS GONNA ADD THAT, UM, THAT CITY OF HARD, CITY OF HARDY BILL REQUIRES US TO USE A 70 FOOT
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DIAMETER ON THOSE TURNAROUNDS.SO THEY'RE THERE, IT LOOKS SMALL THERE, BUT THAT'S JUST BECAUSE OF HOW BIG EVERYTHING ELSE IS.
IF THIS IS AGE RESTRICTED, UM, A SPLASH PAD WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE IN THERE TOO.
WE COULD SAY THE THERE CAP ACCESSIBLE, THAT'D BE A SIGHT.
UM, JOHN BO, A COUPLE OF HOLD UP.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF, OH, I CAN'T DO IT RIGHT THERE.
WANNA MAKE SURE YOU, UM, AFTER WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THESE, KNOW WHAT CAME OUT OF STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THIS ONE.
UM, PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND IT WAS A THREE TO ONE VOTE FOR APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS BASED ON THE CLARIFICATION.
UM, AND CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS OF WHAT THE OPEN SPACE ENTAILED, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY AND THE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS.
UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT AT PLANNING COMMISSION, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL WAS AWARE OF THAT AND COULD, COULD CONTINUE ON.
I CAN SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU'D LIKE.
UM, WE RECEIVED A COMMENT, UH, DURING PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT THE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS AND IT WAS, THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT THE TAXPAYERS WOULD BE PAYING TO KEEP THOSE UP.
UM, THERE ARE NO NEW CONSERVATION EASEMENTS WITHIN ANY OF THESE PROPERTY LINES AND THE EXISTING ONES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE OUTSIDE OF THESE PROPERTY LINES ARE BEING FULLY FUNDED BY THE DEVELOPER.
SO NO TAXPAYER DOLLARS GOING TO CONSERVATION EASEMENTS.
JUST TO HAVE A, A QUICK COUPLE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
THOSE EASEMENTS ARE HELD BY THIRD PARTIES OTHER THAN THE CITY WHO MANAGE THE PROPERTY.
THEY RESTRICT ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES WITHIN THOSE AREAS AND THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE SOLD FOR WETLAND CREDITS OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
THEY BASICALLY HAVE TO BE PRESERVED AS IS BASED UPON THE TERMS OF THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
AND THEY DON'T COUNT TOWARDS ANY OPEN SPACE OR OTHER AREAS WITHIN THE COMMUNITIES HERE.
THEY'RE JUST ADJACENT TO THEM ALSO.
ANDREW ACRES 864 ACRES, WHAT WAS THE, UM, WHAT WAS THE ONE NEGATIVE VOTE? OBJECTION.
WHAT WAS THE OBJECTION? HE HAS AN ATTENDANCE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK WITH HIM? UH, WELL I'LL, NO, I I THINK I'LL OPEN UP FOR, I'LL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC IN ONCE WE'RE FINISHED.
I, I FOR HIM TO EXPLAIN HIS CONCERNS.
SO I'LL WAIT UNTIL PUBLIC COMMENT.
JOHN, DID YOU HAVE A TREE QUESTION? WELL, I WAS, UM, I I KIND OF GATHER FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT BASICALLY FOR THE FIRST AT LEAST A YEAR OR WHATEVER, YOU ARE GONNA BE AIMING FOR THE, UH, TOWNHOUSES CORRECT.
AND THEN AS THAT GOES, THEN YOU'LL START WITH THE NEXT PHASE WITH THAT ACTUAL HOUSES.
SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'M HOPING, BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THE MAYOR WAS SAYING, YOU KIND OF GET IN YOUR MIND THAT IT'S GONNA BE IMMEDIATE, ALL THIS STUFF AND IT'S GONNA BE SLOW.
SO HOPEFULLY BETWEEN THAT AND, UM, BRIAN AND CHRIS AND UH, STEVE CAMP, Y'ALL GONNA BE WORKING OUT SOME OF THESE LOGISTICS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, WHAT VAL WAS TALKING ABOUT A WHILE AGO WITH THE TURNAROUNDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE, UM, LET'S FACE IT, IF THAT'S A, UM, AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY, STEVE'S GONNA BE OUT THERE A LOT.
I MEAN THAT'S JUST, YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S JUST A FACT.
IT'S, IT'S A FACT THAT IT HAPPENS NOW.
UM, SUN CITY, SUN CITY MARGARITAVILLE, THAT'S SO MANY TIMES.
BUT HILLHEAD LAKES, I MEAN, AND AS THESE COMMUNITIES GET OLDER AND OLDER AND THE RESIDENTS GO FROM BEING 60 TO 80 THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
BUT Y'ALL SEEM LIKE THAT Y'ALL ARE KIND OF AWARE OF THE SITUATION AND, UM, AND STEVE, I KNOW I'VE, WE'VE DEALT WITH HIM A LOT OVER THE YEARS AND HE USUALLY KIND OF KEEPS HIS HAND ON.
SO, UM, I GUESS THAT WAS THE MAIN THING I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.
'CAUSE THE FIRST THING YOU THINK ABOUT, IT'S JUST GONNA BE A, A RAPID BILL HOUSES AND WHATEVER, BUT IT'D BE BE A SLOW PROCESS AND, AND THERE'LL BE SOME VARIABLES THAT'S GONNA COME UP BROWN THAT YOU'RE NOT EXPECTING, BUT AT LEAST YOU'LL HAVE TIME TO DEAL WITH IT.
YEAH, I, I THINK THE PACE ALLOWS FOR SOME GOOD PLANNING, WHICH I THINK IS A POS A POSITIVE AND, AND WE ASSUME YOU'LL TAKE GOOD ADVANTAGE OF THAT PACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE DONE, IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME.
UM, BEFORE I OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? UM, JUST GIVE YOU A CURIOSITY QUESTION.
UH, IS THE ENTIRE LAKESIDE BOULEVARD NAME GOING TO CHANGE? I
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MEAN, I'M JUST CURIOUS.I MEAN, CHANGE AS PART OF THE EMERSON LAKE PORTION OF IT.
IT'S WHERE IT TEES OFF WITH ROAD A, BUT THAT TAK, THAT'S WHERE IT CHANGES, GOES ALL THE WAY UP.
LAKESIDE GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO THAT.
SORRY, EMISON LAKE AND PALM, YOU SAID? YEAH, IT WAS LAKE GREAT MUSIC GROUP THAT WAS ON THE LAST ONE.
AND DON'T FORGET WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT CAT WHO WAS CURIOUS? UM, HE HAY
UM, NOW I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENT AND I'D SEE ONE HAND RAISED.
RICHARD, PLEASE, UH, COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD.
THE, UM, QUESTION I HAVE IS WE REQUIRE 8% FOR ACTIVE OPEN SPACE.
IS THAT CORRECT? WE, WE ARE HOPING FOR 10 EVERYWHERE, BUT WE REQUIRE ABOUT EIGHT.
THEN THERE'S A REMAINDER, BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT 50 50 HERE.
SO THERE'S JUST SAY 47% THAT IS NOT REQUIRED.
NOW, I KNOW THAT THE 8% YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH, YOU CAN'T SELL IT AS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 47 OR 46%? CAN YOU SELL THAT TO CONSERVATION LATER, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT BEING DONE RIGHT NOW? CAN THAT 47% BE SOLD TO A CONSERVATION EASEMENT LATER? BRIAN, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT YOU JUST MADE, OR IS THAT A LEGAL QUESTION? I WANT YOU TO CLARIFY.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UH, A SIGNIFICANT MAJORITY OF THE OPEN SPACE THAT IS NOT THE ACTIVE OPEN SPACE MM-HMM
BUT IT IS THINGS LIKE MEDIANS WITHIN THE ROADS, AREAS THAT ARE COMMON AREAS, BACK BEHIND PROPERTIES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE OPEN SPACE.
UM, AND ARE LAGOONS ALSO JOSH, 50 50% OF THE LAGOONS, 50% OF THE LAGOONS, 50% OF THE LAGOON IS COUNTED.
HOW ABOUT ALL OF THE WETLANDS? SO NOW THOSE WOULD HAVE TO QUALIFY AS WETLANDS.
THE AREAS THAT I JUST DESCRIBED DON'T MEET THE QUALIFICATION OF WETLANDS.
AND SO, NO, MY, I THINK THE ANSWER WOULD BE THEY COULD NOT BE SOLD FOR CREDITS BECAUSE THEY DON'T QUALIFY AS WETLANDS.
SO HOW MUCH ON THAT PROPERTY OF THE 50, ROUGHLY 50% CAN LATER BE SOLD AS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT? UM, MY OPINION WOULD BE ZERO.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S SHOWING THE WETLANDS.
SO THE, THE WETLANDS THAT ARE IN HERE NOW ARE, THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
CORRECT? THAT, NOT, NOT NOW, BUT WHAT COULD BE FUTURE? WHAT, WHAT COULD TRIGGER THIS LATER? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TODAY, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PLANS THAT YOU HAVE TODAY BECAUSE YOU'RE HUNTING AN ORDINANCE NOW, UM, TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, BUT LATER ON, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, WHAT COULD GO, WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO INTO A CONSERVATION EASEMENT 10 YEARS FROM NOW? FIVE YEARS FROM NOW? ZERO.
AS PART OF THE MITIGATION COMPONENT OF THE, UM, IMPACT MITIGATION MITIGATION PLAN, THEY'RE PRESERVED IN PERPETUITY AS PART OF A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT.
PARTICULARLY LIKE TO GET A VALUE FOR CONSERVATION EASEMENT, WHICH THE CORE DOES DEFINE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THEY CALL CONSERVATION EASEMENTS AND RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS.
THESE ARE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS, NOT CONSERVATION.
SO THERE WAS NOTHING DONE TO PROTECT THOSE WETLANDS.
THOSE ON THE SCREEN, THEY'RE PRESERVED AND PROTECTED THROUGH A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT.
HOW DID WE GET TO THAT POINT? EXPLAIN HOW WE GOT TO THAT POINT AS PART OF THE 4 0 4 PERMITTING PROCESS MM-HMM
THERE WAS A WHOLE MITIGATION PLAN DEVELOPED, AND AS PART OF THE MITIGATION PLAN, IT INCLUDED THE PRESERVATION ON ONSITE PRESERVATION OF ONSITE WETLANDS AND ASSOCIATED BUFFERS.
SO THERE WAS NEVER ANY MONEY TAKEN TO PUT THAT IN? NO, SIR.
NOBODY, NOBODY'S COME TO THAT PROPERTY AND SAID, WE'LL TAKE, WE'LL PURCHASE THAT.
RICHARD, THE, UM, IT, COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR, UH, NEGATIVE VOTE, THE REASONING FOR IT? WHAT, WHAT DID YOU OBJECT TO? OKAY.
SO WE KNOW THAT IN OUR COUNTY, NOT HARDY, BUT IN OUR COUNTY, WE ARE NOW, OKAY.
THE GREEN BELT MONEY THAT WE, MY, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS WE'VE GOT GREEN BELT MONEY, UM, THAT WE ARE TAKING NOW PROBABLY $5 MILLION A YEAR FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS, MAYBE 5 MILLION, 400 DEPENDING ON THE ECONOMY.
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OVERSEEING THAT WITH YOU, JOEY MOY.UM, Y'ALL ARE GONNA OVERSEE THAT MONEY AND IT'S GONNA BE DISTRIBUTED SOMEHOW NOW, BUT THE $97 MILLION THAT THE GREEN BELT THAT WILL, THAT WE'RE FUNDING IS NOT ALL OF THE MONEY THAT THE GREEN BELT HAS.
THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT'S ALREADY, I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY PURCHASED THREE BIG TRACKS OF LAND RECENTLY.
UM, GREGORY NECK, YOU REFERRING TO GREGORY NECK, UM, SLATER TRACK THREE PROPERTIES THERE.
UM, THIS IS MONEY THAT IS WENT IN TO PUT NUMBER ONE, JUST SAY 440 ON ONE OF THE PIECES.
I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE 440 THAT THAT WAS PUT TO PUT IT INTO CONSERVATION.
BUT THEN YOU CAN TURN AROUND AND SELL THE REST OF THE PROPERTY ON TOP OF THAT, AND IT, THAT MONEY CAN, I CAN SEE WHERE IT CAN BE USED, UM, TO INCENTIVIZE THIS KIND OF THING.
NOW, HOW MUCH OF THE GREEN BELT MONEY YOU HAVE PERVY OVER WILL BE $97 MILLION.
BUT THERE'S SO MUCH MORE THAT WE WON'T KNOW ABOUT.
THERE MAY BE, IT'LL BE SPENT THROUGH ANOTHER 5 0 1 C, UM, THAT MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE OVERSIGHT OF.
UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT FRIDAY'S MM-HMM
MEETING ON THE VIDEO, AND KATE SCHAFER FROM THE OPEN LAND TRUST EXPLAINED THAT AND THE, SOME OF THE POSSIBLE, UH, USAGE OF THAT $94 MILLION TO PURCHASE, UM, CONSERVATION EASEMENTS SO THAT THEY ARE PRESERVED IN PERPETUITY.
NOW, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
MY FEAR IS YOU DO NOT WANT, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, YOU DO NOT WANT THAT $94 MILLION TO ENRICH A DEVELOPER.
SO LET'S USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE.
SOMEONE, AND YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WHEN I YOU DON'T WANT THAT $94 MILLION, NOW THEY HAVE THIS PROPERTY THAT'S ALL WETLANDS.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DEVELOP IT.
UM, SO I'M GONNA GO SELL IT AS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT USING, USING PUBLIC MONEY.
MY CONCERN IS, IS IT, DID I EXPLAIN THAT RIGHT? OKAY.
BUT LET'S JUST SAY GREGORY NECK, UH, SLATER TRACK LOTS AND LOTS OF WETLANDS.
OKAY? YOU GOT THE WHOLE PROPERTY, YOU GET THE MONEY TO PUT IT INTO CONSERVATION, THEN YOU TURN AROUND AND YOU SELL IT.
YOU GIVE BACK SOME OF IT TO US AND SAID THAT IT'S A, A CONSERVATION, THAT'S GREAT, BUT IT'S THE, WELL, LIKE WITH, UH, RIGHT BY MY HOUSE, I'M CHELSEA, 50 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY, UM, FOR THAT TRACK.
NOW I'M TELLING YOU THAT I'M VERY FEARFUL.
YOU SEE THE 50 50 SPLIT THAT WE'RE SEEING EVERYWHERE WHEN HAVE, WHEN HAVE YOU SEEN 50 50 SPLITS LIKE THIS 50% OPEN SPACE OF 49 51.
ALL THIS IS ARE TYPICAL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE APPROVED.
WELL, AND I, AND I CAN SAY THAT IT'S ALL SPLIT TO MATCH AND WE'RE DIGGING INTO LAGOONS, AND WE'RE USING THAT MAYBE FOR FOUR, RIGHT? MAYBE NOT.
BUT I, I DID CONSTRUCTION FOR 24 YEARS AND WE DID THIS EVERY DAY.
I, I KNOW WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.
UM, I'M VERY SCARED, AND NOT JUST THE MONEY THAT Y'ALL ARE GONNA SEE, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE BIG MONEY, AND I CAN SEE WHERE THIS CAN BE A BIG PROBLEM.
AND THIS CAN DRIVE GROWTH RATHER THAN SLOW IT DOWN.
AND AT SOME POINT IN TIME, I THINK WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN TILL WE GET OUR SAFETY BACK.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT, UH, ANTI-DEVELOPMENT, BUT, UH, I I'M, I I WANNA BE SAFE.
BUT FROM, I, I THINK, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE THIS COMMITTEE AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE THE OPEN LAND TRUST AND THOSE VERY THINGS WERE DISCUSSED ON FRIDAY, WE DO NOT WANT PUBLIC MONEY.
THE, THE, THESE, THESE PUBLIC MONIES LIKE GREGORY NECK, HOPEFULLY WE CAN, UH, THE, THE IDEAS THAT YOU CAN GET SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING, LIKE THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE GAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SO THAT MORE AREAS CAN BE PRESERVED, BUT NOT TO HAVE A,
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AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PURCHASE LAND THEY CAN'T USE ANYWAY.AND AND THERE'S ALSO WHAT KATE EXPLAINED, THAT WHEN THEY, THESE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS ARE PURCHASED, THERE ARE SOME, THOSE PARTICULAR LANDOWNERS MAY RETAIN SOME BUILDING RIGHTS ON LAND THAT'S NOT WETLANDS.
I, I HEARD YOU FRIDAY AND UH, YOU WERE CONCERNED, YOU THOUGHT THAT IT WAS GONNA GO TO THE TOWN OF HARDY V AND THEN YOU WERE CONCERNED THAT THEY COULD STILL CUT THE TREES.
WHAT MY POINT IS, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT THAT Y'ALL WE'RE LOOKING AT.
ONE THING, JUST, JUST VERY, THE $97 MILLION IS A PEANUT, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET ALL WORRIED ABOUT HOW WE'RE DOING THIS.
I DON'T CARE HOW GOOD Y'ALL DO IT.
WHAT ABOUT NOT THE MILLIONS, BUT THE BILLIONS THAT, UH, IS FLOATING AROUND AND WHAT IT CAN DRIVE.
AND THEN WE'RE SEEING THESE 50 50 SPLITS, AND I'M SAYING YIELD, PAY ATTENTION, BE A LITTLE CONCERNED.
UM, WONDER, WONDER IF IT, IF, IF THIS COULD BE THE, UH, DRIVE THAT CAN DO THIS RIGHT HERE, YOU, YOU, YOU DIDN'T BUY ONE LITTLE TRACK.
YOU BOUGHT A BIG PIECE LIKE THIS, AND WE'RE SPLITTING IT UP 50 50.
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS? I'M JUST SAYING, I HOPE I'M WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK I AM.
BUT IT'S Y'ALL'S JOB TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU MIGHT SAY NONE OF US IN CONSERVATION RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT ABOUT LATER? WHAT ABOUT WHEN RP 10 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT PASSES OR ANOTHER NAME? AND, AND WHY IS IT ALWAYS SPLIT THE WAY IT IS JUST SAYING PAY CLOSE ATTENTION.
ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS? UM, OKAY.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE OUR MORNING SESSION IS DONE, JOSH, WITH THIS IS PLANNED.
THIS IS NOT FOR THIS THURSDAY FOR VOTE.
THE FIRST READING IS, UH, JUNE 18TH.
WE MOVED THAT MEETING TO A WEDNESDAY ON THE 19TH, SO, YEAH.
UM, WE WILL HAVE LUNCH, UH, TILL 1240, AND WE WILL BEGIN THE, UM, AFTERNOON SESSION IN 30 MINUTES.
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WILL HAPPEN, UH, OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND, UH, WE'LL EXPLAIN WHAT THE, UH, WE'RE HEARING.AND, UH, THEN COUNSEL WILL BE, UH, OFFERED THE CHANCE TO, UH, ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, THIS IS A WORKSHOP, WHICH MEANS THE REASON WE HAVE THESE, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE, WE KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF QUESTIONS, PARTICULARLY BY THE PUBLIC.
WE HAVE THESE PRIOR TO GOING TO A VOTE.
VOTE WILL NOT BE UNTIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
AND THIS GIVES US A CHANCE TO HEAR, UM, WHAT, WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
GIVES US A CHANCE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, AND THEN IT GIVES US A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO THINK IT OVER BEFORE WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, YES OR NO.
SO THIS IS A, THIS IS A LITTLE LESS STRICT.
YOU SEE, WE DON'T HAVE OUR TIES ON TODAY.
UM, AND OF COURSE, IT IS A WORKSHOP.
SO, UM, HAVING EXPLAINED THAT FIRST STEP, WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROJECT AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MR. GROOVER, PLEASE.
UM, THE ITEM THAT'S COMING BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR DISCUSSION IS PART OF THE RIVERPORT TRACT.
UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, THE CITY APPROVED A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND
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CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN FOR THE RIVERPORT TRACT, WHICH CONSISTS OF ABOUT 5,136 ACRES.UH, AND THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY BACK IN JULY 2ND, 2009.
SO AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME OF THE INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL SPACES THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED ALL THE WAY AT THE VERY SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE RIVER PORT TRACT.
UH, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY IS FOR PORTIONS IN THE NORTHERNMOST AREA OF THE RIVERPORT TRACT.
AND SO THIS ITEM CAME BEFORE THE CITY'S PLANNING COMMISSION LAST MONTH.
IT DID RECEIVE APPROVAL OR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
AND SO I'M GONNA ASK STAFF TO KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THIS, THIS APPLICATION.
I WAS VERY CONFUSED ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS MORNING OR AFTERNOON EARLIER.
SO YES, HERE WE ARE WITH RIVERPORT PARKWAY NORTH AND RIVERPORT NORTH PHASE ONE.
UM, THIS IS AN OUTLINE OF THE RIVERPORT, UM, NORTH
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PHASE ONE.THE RIVERPORT PARKWAY WILL GO FROM THIS AREA DOWN TO, UM, THE FUTURE EXIT THREE.
THIS IS THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT DOES SHOW THE ROADWAY UP TO THE RESIDENCES AND EVERYTHING THAT'S SURROUNDED BY, UM, AREA SOUTH OF CHURCH ROAD AND BURG ROAD, AS WELL AS IT GOES OVER TOWARDS THE 3 21 INTERSECTION.
SOME PHOTOS OF THE AREA CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
YOU CAN SEE JUST LOOKING UP THE ROAD FROM MILLSTONE LANDING AREA AND WHERE THE PAVEMENT ENDS.
UM, THIS IS SOME AREA THAT'S ALONG CHURCH
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ROAD.IT'S, UM, THE, UM, MOBILE HOME PARK THAT'S BEFORE THAT.
IT'S GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME PICTURES OF, OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT ACTUALLY ENCROACH ONTO THE RIVERPORT PARKWAY.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT IN A MINUTE AS WE TALK ABOUT BUFFERS AND SCREENING.
THE AREA ENCOMPASSED IS, UM, 1070 4.9 ACRES.
UM, IT'LL BE THE 29 ACRES OF PARKWAY EXTENSION, AS WELL AS ABOUT 1,050 ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL.
AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR 1900 HOME SITES.
TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT DOES RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY REVIEW ALL PDDS AND DOCUMENT TRANSPORTATION RESPONSIBILITIES, PROJECTS, AS WELL AS COLLABORATION.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH DOT AND THEIR, UH, ALL THE, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND THEIR ENGINEERS, AS WELL AS, UM, OTHERS IN THIS PROCESS.
EXIT THREE IS A BIG PORTION OF THIS PROCESS.
UM, THERE ARE SOME EXISTING OUT PARCELS.
THIS, THIS PROPERTY DOES SURROUND SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY, UM, THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED IN THIS.
AND IT'LL BE DONE, UM, PHASE ONE WITH, UM, TWO FULL ACCESS POINTS ON RIVERPORT NORTH PARKWAY AND TWO ACCESS POINTS OFF OF CHURCH ROAD.
ONE OF THOSE IS ONLY MEMS ACCESS.
UM, THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR, UM, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INTERSECTION.
UH, THERE WILL, YOU'LL, YOU'LL HEAR TODAY THAT THERE ARE SOME CHANGE CHANGES IN THE LANGUAGE OF THAT, AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SAY ROUNDABOUT AT THIS POINT.
IT SAYS IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INTERSECTION AT 3 21 AND CHURCH ROAD.
THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME CHANGES IN THE TIA TO AFTER 500 UNITS, AND THAT WAS ALSO DISCUSSED AT PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL.
UM, STAFF REVIEW, UM, THE PERMITTING SITE PREP AND UTILITY INSTALLATION ARE GONNA, I'LL TRACK WITH WHAT IS NECESSARY TO BE PUT IN PLACE BEFORE THAT LIGHT'S GONNA BE NECESSARY.
SO, UM, WE WERE VERY HAPPY WITH THAT 500 UNIT FOR THAT, UM, REQUEST AND THINKING THIS IS ALL GONNA BE TIED TOGETHER.
UM, TIMING WISE GOING CHRIS, UM, THE, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IT HAS THE PROPOSED OPEN SPACE AND CONNECTIVITY PLAN THAT SHOWS WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE CONNECTING TO EVERYTHING.
THIS LINE RIGHT HERE IS CHURCH ROAD.
THIS IS PERRYSBURG ROAD, THE RAILROAD, AND THEN EXIT THREE WILL BE RIGHT DOWN IN HERE.
UM, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 51.13% TOTAL OPEN SPACE WITH 8.78 ACTIVE OPEN SPACE.
IT DOES EXCEED THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TWO AMENITY AREAS WITH A TOTAL OF 16.9 ACRES, POCKET PARTS, SIDEWALKS PROVIDED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S A 50 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER AROUND THE ENTIRE PDD, UM, EXCEPT FOR THAT AREA LONG BEACHWOOD DRIVE, WHICH WE HAVE SAW THOSE PO UH, PICTURES OF EARLIER WITH THE ENCROACHMENTS.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE ROUGHLY FROM 70 TO 88 FEET, UM, WITH AT LEAST 50 50 FEET UNDISTURBED THERE.
AND, UM, FENCING ALONG RIVERPORT PARKWAY WITH THIS IS OUR PART OF OUR PROCESS WAS GO THROUGH A WORKSHOP.
UM, PLANNING COMMISSION DID MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, AND WE'RE GONNA CARRY IT ON THROUGH THE PROCESS.
BASED ON THE STANDARDS OF THE COMP PLAN AND THE REPORT, PDD STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
UM, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE 500 UNITS AND THAT THOSE CHANGES ARE BEING LOOKED AT.
UM, THERE WERE SOME LAND USE LAND USES THAT WERE PLACED IN HERE THAT WERE PART OF THE MIXED USE LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE HAD.
WE DID ASK FOR SOME OF THOSE COMMERCIAL USES TO BE TAKEN OUT.
AND, UM, IF THEY WANT RESIDENTIAL, WE WANT IT TO BE RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THERE ARE SOME CIVIC USES THAT ARE ALLOWED AND SOME OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT WE DO NOT WANT THE, THE COMMERCIAL IN THIS.
WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT TO, TO COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION THREE TO ONE VOTE TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS THAT THE ROADS ARE BEING ADDRESSED.
WORKSHOPS ARE BEING HELD, WHICH WE ARE HERE TODAY, AND ALL COMMENTS BE ADDRESSED, WHICH WE KNOW COUNSEL WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, UM, FELIPE TOLEDO FROM THOMAS AND HUTTON, AND, UM, HE CAN ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS TO GET MORE INFORMATION.
MY NAME IS PHILIPPE TODO WITH THOMASON HEAD, AND I'M REPRESENTING AS A CIVIL ENGINEER AND THE APPLICANT FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, SO THE, THE PROJECT WE HAVE TODAY IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, AND IF, SORRY, COULD YOU, WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT? THE MAIN, THAT ONE.
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THIS PROJECT IS INSERTED ON THE CONTEXT OF ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS.WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE CITY AND DEVELOPERS TO TRY TO IMPROVE CONNECTIVITY OF TRAFFIC FOR THIS AREA.
PARKWAY NORTH IS TIED TO EXIT THREE PER AND I 95 WIDENING, AS YOU ALL KNOW.
AND THERE'S CURRENT THAT PRETTY CURRENTLY UNDER BID PROCESS, AND IT HAD BEEN DESIGNED AND THERE'S AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY, THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK, THE COUNTY, AND THE DEVELOPER FOR THE FUNDING OF THAT PARKWAY.
AND IN THIS CASE, WE ALSO BRING, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 1900, UH, SINGLE FAMILY UNITS THAT THIS ROAD WILL SUPPORT, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF.
IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT, AS BRAD MENTIONED, THERE WILL BE TWO ACCESS POINT OF CHURCH STREET AND TWO ACCESS POINT OF REAR PARKWAY NORTH.
HOWEVER, WE TOOK IN CONSIDERATION THAT ONE OF THE ACCESS POINTS IS RIGHT NEAR THE TRAILER PARK, AND IT WAS DEEMED TO BE ONLY EMS ONLY WITH A CLICK TO ENTER.
SO ONLY CITY EMS SERVICES CAN GO THROUGH THAT GATE.
NO RESIDENTS WILL BE IN AND OUT OF THAT IN ORDER TO, UH, TAKE CONSIDERATION THE NEIGHBORS.
AND, UH, SO THAT WAS TAKEN CARE AS FAR OF THE MAIN ACCESS OF CHURCH STREET.
IT WILL BE PROPERLY WIDENING THERE RIGHT AWAY FOR THAT W COMES FROM THE PROPERTY FROM THE DEVELOPER.
AND THAT WAY IT WILL ALLOW TRAFFIC TO FLOW THROUGH IT WITHOUT HAVING CONFLICT WITH THE TURNS INTO THE DEVELOPER.
AS FAR OF, UH, WATER AND SEWER, THE DEVELOPMENT IS SERVED BY THE 36 INCH WATER MAIN TRANSMISSION LINE THAT BUFORT JASPER OWNS.
AND FROM THAT IT WILL BRANCH INTO THE SYSTEM.
THERE'S ALSO A WATER MAIN CHURCH STREET THAT WILL BE INTERCONNECTED AS WELL FOR THE WATER AND SEWER FOR THE SEWER COMPONENT.
THERE'LL BE TWO PUMP STATIONS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT ULTIMATELY PUMP TO THE BEFORD JASPER TREATMENT PLANT LOCATED HERE.
UH, AS FAR OF, UH, DRAINAGE, UH, COMPONENTS, THE DEVELOPMENT WILL COMPLY WITH ALL LOCAL STATE REGULATION AS FAR OF CONTROLLING AND ATTENUATING THE, THE RUNOFF WITH THE STORM DETENTION PONDS AND DRAINING THROUGH THE WETLANDS INTO THE PREEXISTING CONVEYANCES AT A EQUAL OR LOWER RATE THAN THAT.
UM, AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, WE ALSO CONDUCTED A TRAFFIC STUDY.
UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEERS PRESENT.
BRENDA COVER SOME OF THESE ASPECTS.
SO IF YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT, EASIER TO ANSWER THAT COMPONENT, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, ANY OTHER PRESENTERS? PRANA? NO, SIR.
UM, BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO COUNSEL QUESTIONING, I'M GOING TO ENTER INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD, UM, IN FEBRUARY, INVITED PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY AND, UM, THE DEVELOPER TO, UH, JOIN US HERE AT A MEETING.
AND, UM, THE PURPOSE OF THAT MEETING WAS TO, UM, HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH PART OF THIS AREA VOICE SOME, UH, REQUEST FROM THE, FROM THE DEVELOPER BEFORE WE GOT TO THIS POINT.
UM, WHO WAS IN ATTENDANCE WAS, UH, MR. BEN GRAMBLING AND, AND MIKEL HARPER FROM THE GRAMBLING DEVELOPMENT TEAM, UH, FROM THE CITY OF HARVILLE.
BESIDES MYSELF, UH, JENNIFER COMBS FROM, UH, PARKS AND REC.
NEIL PARSONS, OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND JOSH GRUBER ARE CITY MANAGER.
UM, FROM THE COMMUNITY, KATHY AND STEVE TALBOT, UB YOUNG FROM THE BURG CEMETERIES, KATHY DECOURSEY FROM THE TWO 50 HISTORICAL PRESERVATION PEACH MAR FROM LOW COUNTRY TOURISM, DEBORAH BUTLER, THE RESIDENT, AND JESPER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSIONER, UH, NANCY BUTLER, JUDY NETTLES, DONALD SPIKES, UH, REPRESENTING THE MARINE RESCUE AND JOE ZILLOW REPRESENTING THE MARINE RESCUE AND ALSO JASPER COUNTY COUNCILMAN.
UM, THESE THINGS WERE ASKED FOR THE, THAT THE DEVELOPER CONSIDER ONE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION OF CHURCH AND PUR, DID I SAY IT WRONG? BIRD WROTE, JOHN IS, UH, TRYING TO TEACH ME HOW TO TALK SOUTHERN.
UM, HE, I HAVE, HE'S GOT A VERY DIFFICULT STUDENT, AS YOU CAN TELL.
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PUT AT THAT INTERSECTION AT A THREE-WAY STOP OR A ROUNDABOUT.UM, IT WAS ALSO SUGGESTED TO PUT RUMBLE STRIPS BETWEEN THE TWO CEMETERIES.
NUMBER TWO, CEMETERY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE NEEDED.
DRAINAGE, NEW CONCRETE WALLS, NEW FENCING, PERHAPS WROUGHT IRON FENCE, AN ARCHWAY ENTRANCE, PARKING SOLUTIONS NEEDED.
SOLVE FENCING PROBLEM FOR GREEN CEMETERY SIGNAGE ENTRANCE ROAD INTO GREEN CEMETERY.
SO THOSE WERE THE THINGS REQUESTED FOR GREEN.
UM, THE MARINE RESCUE ASKED FOR A LONG-TERM LEASE AGREEMENT, AND WE, SINCE, UH, JOSH AND I HAD, UH, WENT TO, UH, A MEETING OF THE MARINE RESCUE, UH, PEOPLE, UH, RENOVATED AND OUR EXPANDED BUILDING, WATER, SEWER LINES, LIGHTING AND SECURITY CAMERAS, A MILLSTONE LANDING, A NEW MASTER PLAN, AND A RECREATION FACILITY FOR ALL.
SO, IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT WAS ASKED THAT MILLSTONE LANDING BE EXPANDED INTO A RECREATION CENTER THAT EVERYONE CAN ENJOY, UH, NEW ROADS FROM BURG PARKWAY NORTH TO CHURCH ROAD.
UH, KEEP TRAFFIC OFF THE CEMETERY INTERSECTION, BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN SIDE WA SIDEWALKS ON PARKWAY NORTH TO CHURCH ROAD.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION SET ASIDE ACREAGE FOR A HISTORIC PARK ACROSS FROM OR NEAR MILLSTONE, LANDING INTERPRETIVE SIGNS WITHIN THE PARK, UH, THE PRESERVE HISTORIC SITES, AND LOOK FOR GRANTS TO HELP WITH THAT.
THAT, UH, OBJECTIVE UNION LANDING, DEVELOP AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
AND NUMBER EIGHT, PRESERVATION WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA, UH, WAS ASKED TO PRESERVE WILDLIFE AREAS, SAVE SPACE FOR A SCHOOL.
ALL THESE THINGS WERE EMAILED TO THE RESIDENTS IN ATTENDANCE AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPER AND COUNTY.
UH, THE COUNCIL HAS A COPY OF THIS, WHICH I JUST PASSED OUT, MS OF COURSE, HE HAS A COPY AND EVERYBODY ELSE WHO ATTENDED TO, I JUST WANNA PUT THAT IN THE PUBLIC RECORD SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS.
I WILL BE ASKING THE DEVELOPER IF THEY HAVE ANY, UM, ANSWERS TO THESE PARTICULAR REQUESTS FROM THE COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVES.
AND THAT QUESTION WILL BE COMING UP TODAY.
SO, UH, HAVING SAID THAT, NOW I'M GOING TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO OPEN UP THE DISCUSSION AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS DEVELOP, IF I MAY, MR. MAYOR, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS.
I SEE A LOT OF FOLKS HERE TODAY, AND I KNOW SOME OF YOU LIVE WITHIN HARDY V, SOME OF YOU ARE STILL IN RURAL JASPER COUNTY.
BUT MY CONCERN IS WITH ALL OF YOU, AS I ASK THESE QUESTIONS, FIRST, I SEE THOUSAND 74 ACRES WITH 1900 HOMES, 50% OF THAT'S GONNA BE OPEN SPACE.
SO WHAT IS OUR DENSITY OF PER ACRE GOING TO BE FOR THE HOMES? DO WE HAVE THAT NUMBER OPEN SPACE? I CAN CALCULATE.
WE DON'T, I FEEL THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
THE MATH IS ABOUT OF, OF, IF YOU TAKE 50% OF THE 19, THAT'S 850 ACRES, 1900 HOMES, ROUGHLY TWO HOMES PER ACRE, TWO HOMES PER ACRE.
THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES WAY BACK SOME WITH THESE APPROVALS.
UM, BUT TODAY I HAVE MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS, UH, AND EVERYBODY THAT'S GONNA TRAVEL CHURCH ROAD.
TWO ENTRANCES OFF OF RIVERPORT PARKWAY ARE PLANNED, BUT RECENT DEVELOPMENTS WITH RIVERPORT EXIT THREE, ALL OF THAT IS, UH, COST OVERRUNS AND FINANCING.
SO THE POSSIBILITY OF BUILDING A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF THESE HOMES, UH, CHURCH ROAD BEING THE ONLY ACCESS, IS THAT REASONABLE? UH, CORRECT.
NOT ALL, NOT ALL THE DEVELOPMENT CAN BE DONE IF, IF THE RIVER PARKWAY IS NOT ENACTED WITH A CONNECTION TO EXIT THREE, WHAT ARE THOSE? IS THAT THE 500 NUMBER? OKAY.
500 IS STILL A LOT OF EXTRA HOMES TO PUT OUT ONTO CHURCH ROAD WITH ONLY ONE ACCESS POINT.
I'VE DRIVEN CHURCH ROAD MANY A TIMES, AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A HIGHWAY 2 78, IT'S NOT A ONE 70.
IT'S, IT'S A RURAL ROAD WITH DIRECT ACCESS TO THE DRIVEWAYS AND EVERYTHING COMING OFF OF THAT.
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BIGGEST CONCERN IS FOR THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS WHO STILL LIVE ALONG THAT ROAD, THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE RESPECT THEIR SAFETY AS IT COMES ALONG.UM, THE 8% ACTIVE OPEN AREA THAT BE BARELY MEETS OUR MINIMUM.
UH, WE, WE DISCUSSED THAT IN AN EARLIER, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THAT, BUT EARLIER TODAY WE JUST APPROVED 2000 RESIDENCES AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING ANOTHER 2000 WITHOUT ANY REAL TIMELINE FOR WHEN THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALL GONNA BE PUT IN PLACE.
I THINK I FEEL MORE INFORMATION ABOUT A TIMELINE AND HOW THIS IS GOING TO PLAN OUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS AND WE GOTTA MAKE IT SAFE.
AND I JUST DON'T SEE THAT UNDER THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT, THE WAY IT SITS.
THIS IS, THIS IS PART OF OUR JOB AND WE'RE ALL SHARE THOSE SAME CONCERNS.
UM, I JUST, I'M JUST NOT HAPPY WITH THE, WELL WE WILL START AND THEN WE WILL SEE WHERE WE GO.
500 ALONE IS A LOT TO PUT ONTO CHURCH ROAD WITH THAT ONLY ONE ACCESS TO CONFIRM THAT IN, I HAVE TRAFFICKING TRAFFIC ENGINEER HERE.
BUT TO GET TO THE 500, THE, THE EXIT THREE, IT'S A COMPONENT TO THAT BECAUSE THE FACING OF THE CONSTRUCTION AS YOU WERE ASKING, UH, RIGHT NOW FOR THE EXIT THREE YOU MENTIONED THAT CURRENTLY EVALUATED, WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING WITH BOTH DEVELOPERS AND CITY TO TRY TO MAKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S KEY FOR THE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM OF THE AREA.
RIGHT? SO TAKING THAT STARTED NOW, RIGHT, WITH A TWO YEAR CONSTRUCTION TIMEFRAME, THIS, THIS HOME BEFORE YOU GET TO A 500 APPROXIMATELY UV CLOSER TO 2030.
SO INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD BE IN PLACE IN THERE.
I'M JUST, I'M NOT, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
WELL, WHEN EXIT THREE IS IN, AND, UH, RIVERPORT PARKWAY IS IN, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
IF I WAS, I DID, I MISUNDERSTAND THAT 500 HOMES CAN BE BUILT BEFORE THAT HAPPENS.
BECAUSE THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT BOTH WILL BE HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME.
SO BY THE TIME YOU HIT THAT 500, THIS INFRASTRUCTURE WILL BE IN PLACE.
IT'S A ASSUMED AND ACTUALLY HAPPENING CAN BE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THAT'S, THAT'S BASED ON THE, ON THE PROPOSED TIME OF THE PROJECT.
I, I'VE JUST STATED THAT WHAT I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH.
YES, JOHN, NOT ONLY, UM, TO BACK UP WHAT STEVE SAID, NOT ONLY ARE WE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS COMING OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAYS ON STUFF, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, UM, FLOW ON THAT ROAD? IT'LL BE CERTAIN TIMES THAT IT'LL BE BACKED UP.
IT'S NOW I'M INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT YOUR, UM, TRAFFIC ENGINEER HAS TO SAY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE, UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW HOW IT IS RIGHT NOW.
THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE THOSE HOUSES YET.
PERHAPS YOU COULD, TO ANSWER JOHN'S QUESTION, UH, BECAUSE I HAD A SIMILAR ONE, COULD YOU TELL US WHAT ARE THE TRAFFIC ESTIMATES NOW BEFORE ANYTHING GOES IN THERE? WHAT ARE THE TRAFFIC ESTIMATES ON CHURCH ROAD AND 3 21, UH, GOING PAST THE INTERSECTION OF CHURCH ROAD? SURE.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC COMING ESSENTIALLY WEST OF 3 21 CHURCH ROAD.
WHAT IS THE DAILY TRAFFIC ON CHURCH ROAD AND WHAT IS THE DAILY TRAFFIC ON 3 21 GOING PAST THE, UH, CHURCH ROAD INTERSECTION RIGHT NOW? RIGHT NOW, AS COMPARED TO WHAT YOU WERE PROJECTING IT WILL BE.
UM, SO TYPICALLY WHEN WE'RE DOING DESIGN ON AN INTERSECTION, WE LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE PEAK HOURS.
'CAUSE TYPICALLY THAT'S THE PEAK HOURS ARE CONTROL FROM A LINEAGE AND, AND INFRASTRUCTURE MORE THAN THE A DT.
BUT THE A DT ON CHURCH ROAD IS APPROXIMATELY 4,000 VEHICLES A DAY.
UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE EXISTING VOLUMES, THE PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC IS APPROXIMATELY
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180 TRIPS IN THE PM PEAK HOUR GOING WEST OF 3 21 AND APPROXIMATELY 115 GOING TOWARDS 3 21.WHEN YOU GROW THOSE UP OVER TIME, ASSUMING THE GROWTH RATE IN THE AREA, OTHER OTHER PROJECTS ARE HAPPENING, WE HAVE THOSE GOING CLOSER TO ABOUT 250 WESTBOUND AND ABOUT 150 GOING EASTBOUND THAT'S IN A PEAK HOUR.
AND THE PEAK PM PEAK HOUR, WHICH TYPICALLY THE PMP CONTROLS AND THAT, THAT IS WHAT TIME OF DAY? YES.
BETWEEN FOUR AND 6:00 PM FOR TWO HOURS.
WELL, THAT WOULD BE THE ONE, THE HEAVIEST PEAK.
I, I COULD GET INTO THE WEEDS AND THE APPENDIX.
NO, I JUST GIVE US AN, AN IDEA OF WHAT THE VOLUME IS BEFORE ANYTHING GOES IN THERE.
SO, SO THOSE VOLUMES, LET'S SAY THE WESTBOUND DIRECTION IN THE PM PEAK WOULD BE THE HIGHEST BECAUSE AS PEOPLE TRAVEL HOME TO BACK TO THEIR HOMES AFTER A DAY AT WORK, YOU'VE GOT THAT APPROXIMATELY 225 ISH WITH THE, WITH THE FUTURE GROWTH GOING DOWN 3 21 IN THE FUTURE, YOU WOULD HAVE APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 500 HOMES.
UM, THAT'S, SO, AND THEN AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S AT THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT.
WE, WE HAVEN'T DONE IT JUST ON THE INTERIM PHASES, BUT THAT'S WHY AT THAT INTERSECTION AT 3 21 IN CHURCH, WE IDENTIFIED THAT THERE ARE CONGESTION CHALLENGES.
AND THAT'S WHY WE SAID IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE REQUIRED PRIOR TO, TO FULL BUILD OUT AT THAT INTERSECTION.
SO 3 21 AND CHURCH HAS HOW MANY CARS PER DAY? ID WE, WE DON'T TYPICALLY DO IT ON A PER DAY BASIS AT THE INTERSECTIONS BECAUSE THE PEAK HOURS CONTROL.
SO I ONLY HAVE THE DAILY VOLUME ON THE LINK WEST OF THE 3 21 INTERSECTION.
I'M, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT 4,000.
I'M TRYING TO, THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION REALLY BAD WE'RE, EXCUSE ME, ANY THIS, PLEASE.
THERE WILL BE A TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO TALK PLENTY ALL THE TIME.
PLEASE RESPECT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TALKING AND, AND YOUR TIME WILL COME.
SO LET'S KEEP THIS RESPECTFUL FOR EVERYBODY.
THE REASON I'M ASKING A QUESTION, WHY JOHN'S ASKING A QUESTION, WE HAVE COUNTS.
WE JUST TOOK ONE ON ARJUN BOULEVARD.
PROBABLY ONE OF THE WORST MESSES THAT WE'VE CREATED.
SO I'M ASKING ABOUT 3 21 IN THAT INTERSECTION SO THAT I GET SOME SORT OF FRAME OF REFERENCE OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALREADY HAVE A SITUATION THAT'S CRAZY AND WE TOOK COUNTS IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT A LIGHT GOES THERE.
SO THE AMOUNT OF ROAD IT, NOT ONLY THE 4,000 ON CHURCH, BUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON 3 21, THAT INTERSECTION, WHICH WE YOU SAID IS, UH, DESIGNATED AS A LIGHT WHAT'S COMING THERE.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS NOW SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO IM, HOW WE'RE GOING TO IMPACT IT.
AND BY GIVING THOSE COUNTS, WE, WE, WE HAVE OTHER COUNTS IN THE CITY.
IF, IF I COULD, I WOULD SUGGEST LOOKING AT IT FROM A LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDPOINT, BECAUSE THAT'S MORE APPLES TO APPLES WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT APPROACHES IN THE LINEAGE THAT EXISTS.
AND SO THE EXISTING LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS, BASED ON THE COUNTS THAT WE COLLECTED, IT'S A LEVEL OF SERVICE C IN BOTH THE AM AND THE PM IN THE EXISTING SCENARIO.
WHEN IT GOES TO 20 33 10, YOU KNOW, ALMOST 10 YEARS BEYOND WHERE WE ARE NOW, EIGHT YEARS, IT GOES TO LEVEL OF SERVICE E AND D.
SO IT, IT DEGRADES WITH OR WITHOUT THE PROJECT.
AND THEN WITH THE PROJECT, IT DEGRADES FURTHER.
AND THAT'S WHY WE SAID INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED.
ONCE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS ARE IMPLEMENTED, IT WOULD GO TO A LEVEL OF SERVICE B.
SO IT WOULD IMPROVE THE EXISTING SCENARIO WITH THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD COME WITH THIS PROJECT.
CHURCH ROAD HAS 4,000 CARS PER DAY ON
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IT NOW.WITH PHASE ONE, HOW MANY WITH ONE ACCESS? JUST THE FIRST PHASE ONE? THERE IS FIVE.
UH, HOW MANY HOMES IS THAT? 500.
SO WITH THAT 500, HOW MANY TRIPS ON CHURCH ROAD? WE GO TO 4,000 TO WHAT? WELL, I, I DON'T HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN BY PHASES OF DEVELOPMENT.
I HAVE IT AS THE ULTIMATE, SO I'VE GOT IT AT THE FULL 1900, BUT I CAN MAKE AN ESTIMATE BASED ON THAT, ABOUT A QUARTER OF THOSE TRIPS.
UM, YOU WOULD ADD ROUGHLY 3,500 TRIPS A DAY, EXCUSE ME, WHICH IS STILL BELOW THE THRESHOLD FOR A A TWO LANE ROADWAY OPERATING LEVEL OF SERVICE.
SO LET'S, LET'S SAY, UH, TAKE IT ANOTHER STEP FORWARD.
WHEN RIVERPORT PARKWAY'S DONE AND WE HAVE TWO MORE ACCESS OVER THERE MM-HMM
NOW BY YOUR ESTIMATE, WOULD THAT TRAFFIC FOR THE MOST PART GO DOWN BURG AND GO UP CHURCH TO ACCESS OTHER PARTS? OR WOULD THAT TRAFFIC GO TO THE NEW EXIT THREE? I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THE TRAFFIC FROM THE DEVELOPMENT WHEN RIVERPORT, NORTH RIVERPORT PARKWAY IS IN THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC WOULD ACCESS RIVERPORT PARKWAY TO GET TO I 95.
THERE WOULD STILL BE SOME PORTION OF THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD UTILIZE CHURCH ROAD, BUT I DO NOT ANTICIPATE ANY VOLUME WOULD GO OUT BURG AND NORTH AND THEN TURNING RIGHT ONTO CHURCH ROAD.
AND CAN I ASK WHY YOU WOULD THINK THAT BECAUSE THE DISTANCE TRAVELED AND THE TIME OF THOSE USERS, IT WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT FOR THEM TO DRIVE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT TO ACCESS CHURCH ROAD THAN TO GO OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND IN A LONGER DISTANCE TRAVELED? ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH CHURCH ROAD, THE PHYSICAL STRUCTURE? I AM.
THE REASON, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE, UM, YOU KEPT, YOU KEEP SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, IF YOU GO DOWN CHURCH ROAD, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENTS.
I MEAN, THEY GOT RESIDENCE ALL.
I MEAN, THERE IS NOTHING THAT I KNOW OF HUMANLY POSSIBLE THAT YOU CAN DO TO CHURCH ROAD FOR IMPROVEMENT.
TO CLARIFY, THE, THE ONLY IMPROVEMENTS ON CHURCH ROAD WOULD BE AT THE DRIVEWAY TO INSTALL A LEFT TURN LANE.
SO THE TRAFFIC TURNING LEFT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD ONE, HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO STOP AND BE OUT OF THE THROUGHPUT OR OTHER RESIDENCE.
THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT I'M REFERENCING ARE SPECIFIC TO THE INTERSECTION.
INTERSECTION AND AGAIN, THE INTERSECTION'S GENERALLY CONTROL 21 CHURCH ROAD.
RIGHT? AND SO 3 21 IN CHURCH EXPERIENCES, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE DEGRADATION, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE RECOMMENDED THAT IMPROVEMENTS AT THAT INTERSECTION TAKE PLACE TO IMPROVE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE FROM EVEN THE EXISTING CONDITION.
MR. MAYOR, IF I CAN ASK, LOOKING AT IT FROM CONSUMER STANDPOINT, IF I LIVED IN THAT DEVELOPMENT AND I WAS GONNA WANTED TO GO SHOPPING, I WANT TO GO GET GROCERIES.
I'M NOT GONNA TRAVEL ALL THE WAY BACK DOWN RIVERPORT PARKWAY TO 95 AND ZIP BACK UP THE NEXT EIGHT TO COME DOWN THIS WAY, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THE SHORTEST ROUTE.
NOT ONLY THAT, YOU HAVE 1900 HOMES BE FAMILY HOMES, THE SCHOOL BUSES AND THE PEOPLE TRANSPORTING THEIR CHILDREN BACK AND FORTH TO SCHOOL IS GOING TO USE CHURCH ROAD AS A MAIN ACCESS.
AND WHAT JOHN IS SAYING, WITHOUT IMPROVEMENTS OF WIDENING THE ROAD OR HOWEVER THAT IS, WE COULD BE CREATING A NIGHTMARE.
AND WE, I, THAT'S NOT WHAT I CARE TO DO.
I, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU SAID THE IMPROVEMENTS AT, UH, THE 3 21 INTERSECTION WILL THO WOULD THAT BE DONE BEFORE THE FIRST 500 HOMES ARE, ARE IN, UH, NO.
CURRENTLY MR. MOORE, MERCER, THOMAS AND HUTTON, UM, NO, NO, THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY.
IT IS TIED TO THE 500 UNITS AS LISTED IN THE TIA THE MAIN LINE OF CHURCH UNDERSTANDING.
BUT ARE WE GONNA BUILD 499 UNITS AND THEN HAVE THAT, IT'S GONNA BE TIED TO TIMING OF IT.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE DEVELOPMENT FEES COLLECTED THAT ARE PART OF THIS PROCESS THAT ARE GONNA HELP FUND THAT.
I WANNA DO, I WANNA CLARIFY ONE THING TOO.
I HEAR, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION ABOUT EXIT EIGHT AND ZIP AROUND DOING ALL THAT STUFF.
EVEN MIND, AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS, I DON'T MEAN TO BE REPETITIVE ABOUT THINGS, BUT THIS INCLUDES THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NEW EXIT THREE INTERCHANGE, WHICH WILL INCLUDE THOSE SERVICES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, THAT WILL, THESE RESIDENTS WILL GO TO ULTIMATELY NOT RIGHT OUTTA THE GATE.
ULTIMATELY, THIS IS NOT OUTTA THE GATE, BUT LET'S KEEP THAT IN MIND TOO.
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EVENTUALLY THERE'S A TIMEFRAME.SO WE COULD HAVE 500 HOMES WITH, WITH ADDED TRAFFIC ON CHURCH ROAD IF WE'RE TAKING THIS ONE STEP AT A TIME.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT THERE.
THERE'S A TIMEFRAME ASSOCIATED WITH IT, RIGHT? JUST LIKE THERE'S A TIMEFRAME ASSOCIATED WITH DEVELOPMENT OF EXIT THREE.
WELL, CURRENTLY IT'S A FIVE YEAR TIMEFRAME.
500 UNITS COULD BE, THAT COULD BE LONGER.
I MEAN UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTANDING, BUT THAT'S RIGHT.
THE TRAFFIC BUILDING, THOSE, THOSE UNITS WILL ALSO BE USING CHURCH ROAD, CORRECT.
UM, WHAT ROAD WILL THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC BE USING? DO I TO, UM, ACCESS THIS DEVELOPMENT? WHAT CONSTRUCTION TR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? LIKE THE HORIZONTAL DEVELOPMENT, VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT, LIKE WHICH ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTION IT, IT INITIALLY IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GOING TO BE CHURCH STREET AND RIVER OR IN PBURG ROAD.
UH, UNTIL SUCH TIME AT THE BRIDGE, THERE COULD BE SOME PORTION WHERE IT COMES UP PERRYSBURG UNTIL THE BRIDGE IS REPLACED, UM, OVER I 95.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME USAGE OF, SO, SO THAT MEANS HEAVILY LOADED CEMENT TRUCKS, LOGGING TRUCKS, DUMP TRUCKS FILLED WITH DIRT AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
ALL OF THESE FOLKS THAT USE CHURCH ROAD IS GOING TO HAVE TO COMPETE FOR SPACE TO TRAVEL ON THERE WITH ALL THIS CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC MIXED IN THAT, IN THAT POT.
I'VE DRIVEN DOWN CHURCH ROAD A COUPLE TIMES.
I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T WANNA BE A RESIDENT LIVING OFF OF CHURCH ROAD WITH THAT KIND OF CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC BEING ON THAT ROAD BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I FEEL THAT THEY ARE TAKING THEIR LIVES IN THEIR HANDS AS IS RIGHT NOW, ADD TO THAT PART, ALL OF THIS HEAVY DUTY CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, THAT'S A RECIPE FOR A MAJOR DISASTER AND THE LOSS OF EVEN ONE LIFE OR A SERIOUS ACCIDENT THAT CAUSES SOMEONE TO BE MAIMED OR WHATEVER, IT'S NOT WORTH ANY OF THAT.
WELL, I, AND I DON'T, I DON'T DISAGREE.
I KNOW LIFE IS WORTH THAT AT ALL AND THAT I COMING FROM, BUT THOSE FROM VEHICLES ARE GONNA BE ACROSS THE, IT EXISTS ACROSS THE AREA IN GENERAL.
IT'S THE SAFETY OF THESE FOLKS THAT HAS TO BE PARAMOUNT.
IT HAS TO BE FROM WHAT EVERYTHING FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT FLOWS DOWN HAS TO BE THEIR SAFETY BECAUSE THEY WERE HERE BEFORE.
SO THE, THEIR SAFETY IS OWED TO THEM MM-HMM
BEFORE ANY OF THAT STUFF HAPPENS.
AND THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
IF THERE IS NO SAFETY FOR THESE FOLKS, UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO, WE SHOULDN'T PRESUME THERE WON'T BE SAFETY.
IT'S GONNA BE DUMP TRUCKS SAYS SOMETHING LIKE THERE ARE SOME OUT THERE ALREADY, BUT ALL CONTRACTORS, ANYBODY USING THAT ROADWAY SHOULD ADHERE TO NORMAL TRAFFIC STANDARDS.
'CAUSE I LIVE OFF A STREET WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC AND OUR, THAT ROAD THAT THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC USES IS IN MUCH BETTER SHAPE THAN CHURCH ROAD.
AND WE HAVE FEAR FOR OUR LIVES WHEN WE GET THERE BECAUSE THOSE LOGGING TRUCKS DON'T CARE THAT YOU ARE SHARE THAT THEY'RE SHARING THE ROAD WITH YOU.
THEY JUST BOX YOU OFF THE ROAD AND KEEP GOING OVER THE SPEED LIMIT.
AND THAT WORRIES ME BECAUSE LIKE MR. MESMAN SAID, WE HAVE SCHOOL BUSES GOING TO BE USING THAT ROAD.
I MEAN, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? ARE THEY GOING TO BE PUSHED OFF THE ROAD BECAUSE A LOGGING TRUCK IS NOT PAYING ATTENTION OR HE'S SPEEDING DOWN THE ROAD OR A DUMP TRUCK FULL OF FILLED DIRT? I I MEAN, SAFETY OF THESE FOLKS HAS TO BE PARAMOUNT.
I, I MEAN, I WILL NOT ACCEPT ANYTHING LESS THAN THE UTMOST SAFETY MEASURES PUT IN PLACE BEFORE YOU HIT SHOVEL TO THE GROUND.
WE EMPHASIZE THAT TO THE CONTRACTORS.
I I DON'T WANT TO REITERATE WHAT'S BEEN SAID.
IT'S THE POINTS ARE WELL TAKEN, THE SAFETY, THE TRAFFIC, AND YOU HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO DEPEND THAT THIS IS GONNA BE DONE WELL AND DOESN'T CREATE A PROBLEM AND PEOPLE THANK YOU GET HURT OR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND, UH, YOU'VE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR WHAT THE CONCERN IS.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE WILL REITERATE THAT AND AND EMPHASIZE THAT TO THE CONTRACTORS.
I'VE INVESTED 19 YEARS OF MY LIFE INTO SEEING THIS PROJECT COME TO FRUITION.
SO I DON'T WANNA BLAME YOU ON IT.
I BELIEVE THAT, UM, I I I NEED TO GO BACK TO THE INTERSECTION OF 3 21 AND CHURCH BECAUSE WE HAVE PLANNED THERE.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE PLAN OF ROUNDABOUT AND, AND A
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AND A LIGHT? WHAT'S THE PLAN THERE? THERE IT COULD BE A ROUNDABOUT.IT COULD, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE EVASIVE IN THE QUESTION.
IT COULD BE A ROUNDABOUT, IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY A SIGNAL.
UM, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE JUST THE FACT THAT ONCE EXIT THREE IS COMPLETED, MORE TRAFFIC DIVERSION GOES THAT WAY.
WHATEVER APPROPRIATE LEVEL IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY WILL BE INSTALLED.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT DOTS PLAN FOR, LIKE WE'VE HAD SOME INITIAL DISCUSSIONS, BUT NOT REALLY ANYTHING TO FIRM UP.
AND WHO KNOWS BY THE TIME THAT POINT COMES, WHAT IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
SO THEY AND JASPER COUNTY WOULD NEED TO BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL AS YOU WELL THIS IS, THIS IS WHY THIS IS, IT'S IMPORTANT.
WHO 3 21, IS THAT A STATE ROAD? 3 21 IS A STATE? YES.
NO, IT'S A US US ROAD, A STATE, STATE ON MAINTAIN.
SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE SAME THING.
AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE IN A SITUATION THAT'S SIMILAR.
WE HAVE A A TWO-LANE ROAD IN ARJUN BOULEVARD.
WE HAVE A TWO-LANE ROAD AT JOHN SMITH ROAD AND WE'VE PUT A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF ON THERE.
AND WE JUST HAD TO TAKE COUNTS IN ORDER TO GET A LIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING WHAT ARE THE COUNTS OF 3 21 AND CHURCH, NOT A, B, C, D, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THESE ARE STATE ROADS AND IF THERE'S NOT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF NUMBER OF CARS, THEN WE CAN SAY WE WANT A LIGHT ALL WE WANT.
AND THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE PLANS FOR THE SAFETY ARE, YOU KNOW, IN PLACE.
AND, AND SO I HAVE TO GO BACK TO WHAT ARE, HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS GOING ON 3 21 AND CHURCH ROAD EVERY SINGLE DAY.
DO WE KNOW THAT? WE DO KNOW THAT.
COULD I, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE, THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
WE, WE, WE HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN ANY OF THIS INFORMATION YET.
SO WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? WELL, WE'VE, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT IN, IN WHAT THE WAY THE DDOT WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UM, THE, FOR THE, FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
IT'S NOT BASED ON A DAILY COUNT, IT'S BASED ON THE HOURLY DATA.
AND RIGHT NOW THE DATA THAT AT THAT INTERSECTION DOES NOT WARRANT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
AND SO IT NEEDS ADDITIONAL VOLUMES TO WARRANT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT I UNDERSTAND.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
AND SO AT, YOU KNOW, AT WHAT POINT WILL DOT APPROVE A LIGHT? AND AGAIN, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, A TEMPORARY LIGHT THAT'S NOT A FULL LIGHT YET, AND THREE OTHER LIGHTS ALONG ARJUN BOULEVARD AND TWO AND A HALF MILE STRETCH THAT STILL AREN'T DONE BECAUSE DOT HASN'T, HASN'T EITHER APPROVED THEM OR THEY HAVEN'T BUILT THEM.
SO, YOU KNOW, SAYING WE'RE GONNA DO IT AT 500 AND ACTUALLY GETTING IT DONE WILL DEPEND ON THE TRAFFIC COUNTS, YOU KNOW? THAT'S RIGHT.
IT WILL, IT WILL, IT TAKES IT TO JUSTIFIED.
THERE'S EIGHT DIFFERENT LEVELS.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
WE, WE HAVE THE TIA TO YOUR POINT, RIGHT.
THIS IS A WORKSHOP, NOT THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT THAT FOLLOWING THIS MEETING TODAY, SO YOU GUYS HAVE THE INFORMATION.
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S RIGHT.
IT WAS GIVEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE HEARING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME OURSELVES, SO YES, SIR.
UM, THE, ARE THESE ANY OF THESE GATED COMMUNITIES? NO, SIR.
IT'S NOT CURRENTLY PLANNED TO BE.
AND THE 1900 HOMES, HOW MANY YEARS DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT HAPPENING? FIVE TO 10.
UH, IT'S ABSORPTION BASED ON ABSORPTIONS, IT'S 10 TO 20.
UM, IT ALL, IT ALL DEPENDS AND I'M, I'M SAYING THIS, I YOU'RE CORRECT.
I MEAN, IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE MARKET.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A DEFINITE SLOWDOWN NOW THEN IT WAS 12 MONTHS FROM NOW, AND NOT ONLY IN RESALES, BUT IN, IN NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION.
SO IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE WANNA BUY THESE HOMES, HOW FAST IT GOES.
AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE'RE APPROVING 1900 HOMES, IT COULD BE 20 YEARS FROM NOW BEFORE THEY'RE DONE, THAT'S, AND IT'S VERY, VERY POSSIBLE.
I I I THINK THAT THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE ALL HAVE TO UNDERSTAND.
WE APPEAR AND ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT, NUMBER ONE, A COUPLE, THIS, THIS WAS ENTITLED, I DON'T KNOW, 2008, 20
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2006, ACTUALLY, I THINK THE, THE PDD GOES BACK TO 2006.SO THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN PART OF IT IS THE EXIT THREE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR 19 YEARS, YOU SAID.
AND TODAY'S MY NINTH ANNIVERSARY OF BEING MAYOR, AND I'VE BEEN WORKING EVERY DAY ON EXIT THREE, I THINK IT SEEMS LIKE.
SO I KNOW HOW LONG THESE THINGS HAVE TAKEN TO, UM, COME TO FRUITION.
UM, BUT A COUPLE YEARS AGO, AND THAT'S WHY I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, WE'RE STUCK WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THAT PDDA COUPLE YEARS AGO, THE LANDOWNERS CAME IN A, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A, A MEETING WITH ME AND THE CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME.
AND ONE OF THE OPTIONS THEY WANTED TO KNOW, WHAT I FELT ABOUT WAS TO, INSTEAD OF PUTTING HOMES ALL THERE, PUT IN MORE WAREHOUSES AND TRUCKS.
AND I SAID, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY FIGHT THAT BECAUSE IF YOU THINK CARS ARE GONNA BE A PROBLEM IN CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, HAVING WAREHOUSE WOULD REALLY MAKE THAT A MESS.
SO I I, MY INPUT AT THE TIME, NOT THAT IT CAME BEFORE COUNCIL, THEY WOULD JUST ASK THEM WHAT MY OPINION WAS.
I WOULD PREFER TO SEE HOMES THERE THAN WAREHOUSES.
SO KNOWING THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT SOMETHING THERE.
SO WHAT'S THE LESSER OF, OF THE EVILS? UH, AND THAT'S JUST HISTORY.
IT DOESN'T, UH, MEAN ANYTHING.
THE OTHER THING THAT'S IMPORTANT, A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING, UH, BROUGHT UP, THEY WERE BROUGHT UP WITH POINT SOUTH ON JOHN SMITH ROAD, THE MORGAN TRACK ON JOHN SMITH ROAD, THE ONE WE DID THIS MORNING ON, ON, UH, IN THE, UH, WEST ARGENT WEST.
WE WENT OVER ALL THESE THINGS WHEN THEY WERE BEING BUILT ALONG ARJUN BOULEVARD, AND I ONLY MENTIONED THIS, EVERY ONE OF THOSE HAVE ALL THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT.
WE TALKED TO AT MORGAN AND POINT SOUTH, WHERE'S THOSE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS CAME IN.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WE HAD NO CHOICE.
AND I ALWAYS SAY THAT BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO UP HERE IS BE CONSISTENT.
THE STANDARDS WE APPLY OVER HERE HAVE TO BE APPLIED TO EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES IN FRONT OF US.
AND WE'VE HAD THESE ISSUES IN, IN FRONT OF, UH, THE, THE CURRENT COUNCIL'S BEEN TOGETHER FOR TWO, THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
AND WE'VE APPROVED THOUSANDS OF HOMES IN THAT TIME.
AND EVERY ONE OF 'EM ARE AGONIZING FOR THE VERY SAME REASONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY.
SO WE AS A COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO APPLY CONSISTENCY IN OUR DECISION, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE WORKSHOPS.
AND I'M PREFACING 'CAUSE I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE WORKSHOPS BECAUSE THESE ARE DIFFICULT, DIFFICULT CHOICES THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS TO DEAL WITH, INCLUDING THE PROTECTION OF EVERYBODY ALONG CHURCH ROAD AT THE SAME TIME DEALING WITH THE LEGAL LIMITATIONS AND THE, AND THE QUESTIONS OF CONSISTENCY THAT WE ALL HAVE TO, UH, APPLY.
SO THIS IS TOUGH AND, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT WE HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY SO THAT WE CAN, AT THE, WHEN IT COMES FOR A VOTE, WE CAN BE AS INTELLIGENT AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
SO, UM, BEFORE I GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, I WANT TO ASK THE DEVELOPERS, I READ EARLIER A LIST OF, UH, REQUESTS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND I WANT TO SAY TO, UH, BEN, MICHAEL, UM, THIS LIST THAT WAS ASKED OF YOU IN, UM, FEBRUARY, DO YOU HAVE A, A STATUS, AN ANSWER, OR TO ANY OF THESE REQUESTS THAT WE HAD BACK IN THAT MEETING IN FEBRUARY? OBJECT LATER.
UH, I NEED YOU, YOU'RE ON CAMERA.
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UM,DO YOU WANT A COPY OF IT? UH, I'VE GOT IT RIGHT HERE.
IT ACTUALLY WOULD BE EASIER ON THE, ON THE BIGGER PIECE OF PAPER.
I THINK SOME OF THESE, FIRST OF ALL, MY NAME'S BEN.
UH, WE LIVE CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA.
BEN, I'M GONNA NEED YOU TO BE IN THE MICROPHONE.
HEY, MY NAME IS BEN GRAMBLING.
UH, MICHAEL HARPER AND I HAVE BEEN, UH, WE WEREN'T IN ON THE START OF THIS PROJECT 15 YEARS AGO, BUT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT AT LEAST FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS SINCE WE'VE GOTTEN INVOLVED.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A LIST OF SUGGESTIONS HERE, AND SOME OF THESE HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, SUCH AS THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT IF YOU GO TO NUMBER TWO, THE CEMETERY IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY, THEY SAID THEY WOULD LIKE HELP WITH, UM, DRAINAGE, NEW CONCRETE WALLS, NEW FENCING, PERHAPS WROUGHT IRON ARCHWAY ENTRANCE PARKING SOLUTIONS, UM, SOLVING FENCE PROBLEMS FOR GREEN CEMETERY SIGNAGE ENTRANCE ROAD INTO THE TO GREEN CEMETERY.
UM, WE ARE, ARE PERFECTLY WILLING TO, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE RIGHT NOW NEW CONCRETE WALLS.
THIS CAN BE DONE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PROJECT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEND MONEY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL COME OUT OF FUNDS AS WE, AS WE DO THINGS.
BUT ABSOLUTELY WE CAN PUT UP NEW CONCRETE WALLS.
WE'D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN NEW FENCING.
THEY SAID PERHAPS WR IRON, I MIGHT WOULD SUGGEST THAT, YOU KNOW, A BLACK ALUMINUM WHERE IT DIDN'T, DIDN'T RUST.
WE ARE, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH Y'ALL ON DESIGNING AN ARCHWAY ENTRANCE.
WE CAN EVEN USE SOME OF OUR PLANNERS AND WORK WITH THAT GROUP, UM, TO ACHIEVE THAT.
AND WE CAN, UH, CERTAINLY HELP WITH SOLVING THE FENCING PROBLEM FOR THE GREEN CEMETERY ENTRANCE ROAD INTO GREEN CEMETERY.
I, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THAT ISSUE WAS AS FAR AS ENTRANCE ROAD IN THERE.
I DON'T, WE DON'T, WE DON'T CONTROL THE, THE ENTRANCES, SO I, I'M NOT, NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT ONE.
BUT THE ONES I JUST MENTIONED, YES, SIR BEN, I THINK, UM, FOR THE SAKE OF EVERYONE AND TIME AND COMMUNITY, UH, UH, AND FOR THE COMMUNITY'S BENEFIT, FIRST READING WILL BE IN ON JUNE 18TH.
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO BE PREPARED AT FIRST READING TO TELL, YOU KNOW, LIST OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU WOULD YOU, YOU WILL DO ON THAT LIST.
AND WHEN, NOW MY BIG CONCERN THOUGH IMMEDIATELY, AND WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT, IS THE, IN TERMS OF THE ROAD SAFETY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THIS, THE INTERSECTION OF PUR BURG ROAD AND CHURCH IS, AND IF YOU RECALL FROM THAT EVENING, THE, THE RESIDENTS TALKED ABOUT HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, ACCIDENTS.
THAT WHY, THAT'S WHY THE, THE WALL GETS CRASHED INTO WHAT CAN WE DO, UH, WHAT'S THE PLAN, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT IN YOUR MAP, WHAT CAN WE DO AND WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR THAT INTERSECTION THAT'S GONNA BE EFFECTIVE? BECAUSE ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES OFF RIVER, THE TWO ENTRANCES FROM RIVERPORT PARKWAY, IF THEY'RE GONNA GO AROUND THE CHURCH ROAD AND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF IT WILL, THEY'RE GOING TO PASS THAT INTERSECTION AND THE VOLUME, JUST LIKE CHURCH IN 3 21, THE VOLUME'S GONNA INCREASE THERE, THE INTERSECTION THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE THERE.
UH, AND I THINK PRIOR TO FIRST READING, WE, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE THE IMPROVEMENT OF THAT INTERSECTION AND, AND HAVE THE TRAFFIC PEOPLE LOOKED AT THAT INTERSECTION OR NO, MAYOR IT, IT WAS CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE OVERALL TIA, BUT IT'S NOT TO BE REPETITIVE, BUT THE, THERE WAS NO INDICATION AND NO ANTICIPATION OF TRAFFIC GOING IN THAT DIRECTION.
CAN'T SAY SPORADIC VEHICLES WOULD NOT DO THAT, BUT NOT A MAJORITY OF TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION.
SO THEREFORE THERE'S NO IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED.
SO IF I'M GOING TO GO SOUTH ON I 95 OKAY, AND I'M COMING OUT OF, UM, THE FIRST PHASE AND I'M COMING OUT ONTO CHURCH ROAD, ISN'T IT
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SOMEWHAT LIKELY THAT PEOPLE WILL COME AROUND CHURCH TO RIVERPORT PARKWAY NORTH AND PASS THAT INTERSECTION TO GET ON I 95 SOUTH AT EXIT THREE COMING OUT OF THE COMING OUTTA THE COMMUNITY YESTERDAY WOULD USE THIS ACCESS POINT OR THIS AND THEN NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE EFFECT ON THE INTERSECTION.AND I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT TRAFFIC GUYS HAVE HAVE REALLY LOOKED AT THAT YET.
AND I, I, IT IT, IT'S BEEN A CONCERN AND WE ALL ADDRESSED THAT BACK IN FEBRUARY AND I DON'T SEE, I, I THINK, I DON'T THINK WE CAN IGNORE IT.
WELL, ARE YOU SAYING ONCE THE INTERCHANGE IS COMPLETED AND EVERYTHING'S OPEN, READY? RIGHT.
I I THINK THE MAJORITY OF DEVELOPMENT, STEVE SAID IT, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE, WE HAVE TO ANTICIPATE THE FUTURE.
WE MAY BE DEAD, BUT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE LEAVING IS PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO LIVE WITH THIS 25 YEARS FROM NOW.
AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THERE WILL BE A, I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LOGICAL, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT IN, IN BOTH DIRECTIONS THAT ARE NOT GONNA GO DOWN TO I 95, THEY'RE GONNA COME AROUND AND GO TO CHURCH.
IF, IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL IN DOING WHAT WE WANNA DO AND IMPROVING WHITE HARD BOULEVARD AND MAKING THAT A DESTINATION FOR SHOPPING AND RESTAURANTS, PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME AROUND THERE AND GO TO WHITE HARD BOULEVARD.
SO TO, WE CAN'T SAY THERE WILL BE NO INCREASE OF TRAFFIC WITH 1900 HOMES THERE.
THERE'LL BE NO INTER NO INCREASE IN TRAFFIC AT BURG AND CHURCH.
THERE'S GOING TO BE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE, AND EVERYBODY WHO WAS HERE IN FEBRUARY SAID THE SAME THING.
I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
'CAUSE THAT IS, THAT'S LIKE WHAT, HOW DO YOU PICK A NUMBER? RIGHT? I, AND I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THESE BIGGER WETLAND SYSTEMS THAT ARE IN THE PROPERTY.
I THINK A MAJORITY OF THE UNITS ARE EMBEDDED FURTHER INTO THE PROPERTY, AND IT'S A, YOU KNOW, PATH OF LEASE RESISTANCE TO SAY IT, YOU KNOW, SIMPLY PUT IS TO GET TO THIS POINT VERSUS TRYING TO DRIVE BACK OUT THROUGH A A, THIS AREA.
I, AND IT IS, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY WOULD PUSH IN THIS DIRECTION TO GO BACK ALL THE WAY AROUND.
BUT LAMAR, WHAT EVERYBODY SAID AND WHAT'S WITNESSED BY THE CRASHES INTO THE CEMETERY WALL, AND WHAT THEY SAID WAS, THAT'S BAD.
NOW YOU DON'T PUT 1900 HOMES AND SAY IT'S NOT GONNA GET ANY WORSE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ASKED ON THIS LIST, IF WE COULD MAKE IN NOT JUST IMPROVE PUTTING A, A FENCE AROUND THE CEMETERY, BUT IMPROVING THAT INTERSECTION AND SOMEHOW, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE SOME EFFECT, SMALL, MEDIUM, LARGE, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T SAY THERE WON'T BE ANY EFFECT ON AN INTERSECTION THAT'S ALREADY BAD.
25 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL, THE CITY IN MAKING MILLSTONE LANDING A PUBLIC PARK, THAT'S GONNA BRING PEOPLE DOWN CHURCH ROAD TO MILLSTONE LANDING.
SO THAT INTERSECTION WILL BE IMPACTED SOMEHOW, SOME WAY IT'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED FROM WHAT IT IS TODAY.
AND I'M, I'M NOT GONNA ASK YOU TO ANSWER IT NOW, BUT I THINK THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE WE VOTE AT, AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
WHAT ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN COMMIT TO, TO MAKE THAT A, A, A SAFER INTERSECTION AS WELL AS THE 3 21 IN CHURCH? I DON'T FORGET ABOUT THAT.
COUNSEL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR.
I'M GONNA OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND I HAVE A REQUEST FROM EVERYBODY.
UM, NUMBER ONE, UH, WE, WE GENERALLY HAVE A, A THREE MINUTE TIMEFRAME, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO PUT THE CLOCK ON ANYBODY UNLESS IT GETS A LITTLE CRAZY.
I WILL ALSO ASK, WHEN SOMEONE COMES UP AND MAKES A COMMENT, UH, I WILL ASK A SHOW OF HANDS IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS THE SAME COMMENT.
SO THAT, AND WHAT I'M GOING TO, I'M TRYING, I DON'T NEED 50 PEOPLE TO COME UP AND SAY THE SAME THING.
I'LL SHOW, I'LL, I'LL GET THAT MESSAGE BY A SHOW OF HANDS.
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YOU HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO SAY THAN THE PERSON BEFORE, THEN PLEASE KEEP COMING.UH, OR IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT POINT TO EMPHASIZE, PLEASE KEEP COMING.
BUT I JUST, I'M GONNA TRY TO ASK YOU TO ELIMINATE, UH, ELIMINATE, UH, REPETITION.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE TO IT.
YOU ALL HAVE, YOU ALL HAVE, UM, YOUR RIGHT TO TALK.
SO, HAVING SAID THAT, UH, WHOEVER WANTS TO SPEAK, PLEASE GET IN LINE.
UM, YOU HAVE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF, YOUR ADDRESS.
AND I WOULD LIKE YOU ALSO TO, UH, LET US KNOW WHETHER YOU'RE IN THE CITY LIMITS OF HARDY V OR YOU'RE AN UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY, JUST SO WE HAVE SOME PERSPECTIVE OF WHO WE ARE.
UM, WHO'S REPRESENTING TODAY'S? SO PLEASE.
WELL, WHO WANTS TO START? MS. BUTLER? MM-HMM
YOU KNOW THE DRILL? IS THAT THE ONE OH, NO, NO, YOU GO AHEAD.
OKAY, BECAUSE I'LL JUMP AHEAD.
HELLO, MY NAME IS DEBORAH WOODS BUTLER, AND I WAS A RESIDENT OF HARDY BEGINNING IN 1963 UNTIL 1995 WHEN I MOVED TO BURG AND SPENT THE NEXT 30 YEARS THERE.
SO I'VE PRETTY MUCH BEEN IN THIS AREA MY ENTIRE LIFE.
MY HUSBAND IS A, WAS A LIFELONG RESIDENT, AND HIS FAMILY'S BEEN HERE FOR GENERATIONS.
SO WE HAVE DEEP ROOTS HERE AND A LOT OF EXTENDED FAMILY.
AND I WROTE SOMETHING OUT AND, UM, GETTING HERE REALIZE THIS MAY NOT BE THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR IT.
AND IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S TOO WORDY, JUST LET ME KNOW AND I'LL LET SOMEBODY ELSE COME AND TAKE OVER.
MY CONCERN, THE THING I WANNA MENTION TODAY DEALS WITH TRAFFIC BECAUSE I'M VERY CONCERNED HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
CURRENTLY, THE TRAFFIC IS HEAVY AT INTERSECTION, AT THE INTERSECTION OF HIGHWAY 3 21 AND CHURCH ROAD WHEN RESIDENTS ARE COMING AND GOING TO WORK.
AND I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD THAT AND YOU WERE VERY RECEPTIVE.
AND I DO WANNA SAY, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS, UM, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE MADE.
UM, IT'S VERY REASSURING TO ME BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT I EXPECTED COMING INTO THIS
UM, THE CONGESTION AT THIS INTERSECTION IS WORSENED BY TRAFFIC COMING FROM HIGHWAY 3 21 NORTH.
AND I SAY NORTH, I MIGHT HAVE MY DIRECTIONS WRONG, BUT
UM, IS MADE MORE CHALLENGING, UM, ALSO DUE TO A CHANGE IN THE TRAFFIC FLOW BY A REDESIGN MADE BY THE STATE WHEN THEY REMOVED A TURN LANE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IN SOME OF THEIR BRILLIANCE THEY DO THESE THINGS.
BUT ANYWAY, OF COURSE, LOCAL RESIDENTS ALSO HAVE TO CONTEND WITH OVERFLOW TRAFFIC.
WHEN INTERSTATE 95 AND INTERSTATE 26 BACKUP AND TRAVELERS ARE SEEKING ALTERNATE ROUTES TO AVOID THE GRIDLOCK IN OUR AREA.
AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT, WE HAVE HAD ON BURG ROAD SEMIS, THOSE HUGE RVS TRAILERS, UM, COMING DOWN FROM I 26, TRYING TO AVOID 95 BECAUSE IT'S SO BACKED UP GETTING BOGGED DOWN, UM, THE AZEA BOYS CAN PROBABLY TELL YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE THEY HAD TO COME GET SOME OUT, UM, THAT HAD GOTTEN STUCK IN THE MUD DOWN THERE.
SO PEOPLE ARE USING GPS TO AVOID THIS GRIDLOCK.
AND WE ARE GOING TO GET TRAFFIC IF WHEN THAT ROAD IS PAVED, IT'S GONNA BE GOING FROM 95 AT EXIT THREE GOING, UM, HEADED TO, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE, UM, NORTH RIGHT TO, ANYWAY, GOING BACK UP 3 21, TOOK IT TOWARD COLUMBIA HEADED WEST, AND WE'RE GONNA GET IT WITH THOSE PEOPLE COMING TO SOUTH.
SO IT, IT, IT IS A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE SOMETIMES ALREADY.
AND THIS IS JUST A RECIPE IN OUR OPINION FOR DISASTER.
UM, THE DEVELOPERS OF THE RIVERPORT NORTH PROJECT, PHASE ONE, WHICH IS THE, THE GRAMBLING BROTHERS REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY OUT OF CHARLESTON, HAVE REQUESTED A CHANGE IN THE MASTER PLAN.
THEY SUBMITTED TO THE, THEY SUBMITTED FOR THEIR PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OR, OR THEIR PDD AND THEIR PDD CALL FOR A SIGNALIZATION OF THE HIGHWAY 3 21 AND CHURCH ROAD INTERSECTION OR CONSTRUCTION OF A ROUNDABOUT AT THIS LOCATION OF, UPON COMPLETION OF THE 200TH AND 50 BUILDING OR UNIT, THE DEVELOPERS HAS SINCE REQUESTED THAT THEY
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BE ALLOWED TO POSTPONE ADDRESSING THIS TRAFFIC AT, AT HIGHWAY 3 21 AND CHURCH ROAD UNTIL THEY HAVE BUILT 500 UNITS.AND I KNOW YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT THIS TODAY, DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WOULD COME UP.
UM, THE DEVELOPER, THE DEVELOPER'S REQUEST WAS AGREED TO BY THE HARDY, UH, THE EMPLOYEES OF THE HARDY PLANNING DEPARTMENT IN THEIR STAFF REPORT.
UM, AND I GUESS THAT STAFF REPORT WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT THEY AGREED WITH THAT CHANGE.
AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, ALSO SENT THAT WITH A POSITIVE, EXCEPT FOR MR. ILLA.
I THINK HE VOTED AGAINST IT, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE VOTED IN FAVOR OF CHANGING THAT PDD, UH, TO ALLOW THEM TO BUILD 500 HOMES BEFORE ADDRESSING THE INTERSECTION.
AND THIS REQUEST NOW SITS BEFORE THE HARDY TOWN COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.
UM, BECAUSE PBURG IS RURAL, WE MUST DRIVE EVERYWHERE FOR SERVICES, GROCERIES, GAS, DOCTORS, NEARLY ALL FAMILIES IN OUR COMMUNITY HAVE TWO OR MORE VEHICLES.
THOSE WITH DRIVING TEENAGERS MAY HAVE TWO, MAY HAVE THREE OR MORE CARS.
UM, SO APPROVING THIS REQUEST TO MOVE THAT SIGNAL, UH, ADDRESSING THAT INTERSECTION FROM 250 HOMES TO 500 COULD POTENTIALLY PUT MORE THAN A THOUSAND CARS, UH, VEHICLES ON CHURCH ROAD, UM, FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT ALONE.
I'M ALWAYS INTERESTED WHEN I HEAR THESE COMMENTS BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS DOES NOT ADDRESS OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING.
AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT DR. HORTON HAS SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, SUPPOSEDLY COMING TO OUR AREA, POSSIBLY TO, UM, I'M ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR JASPER COUNTY AND I KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS UP FOR DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING AS RESIDENTS, WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THESE 1900 HOMES.
UH, WHEN WE COME AND LISTEN TO YOU FOLKS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT MORE THAN THAT.
UM, THIS, UH, DISCUSSING THE TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE HOMES DOESN'T CONSIDER THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC THAT COMES WITH THESE DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENTS WILL, WILL FURTHER CONGEST THIS SMALL COUNTRY ROAD.
IT WAS SAID TODAY, AND I'VE READ IT, I THINK IT WAS, UM, MENTIONED IN SOME OF THE MATERIAL I READ, THAT THE TRAFFIC WILL CHOOSE TO GO TOWARD EXIT THREE RATHER THAN CHURCH ROAD.
NOW IT MAY BE SOMEWHAT OF AN EDUCATED GUESS, BUT IT'S A GUESS.
AND I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THIS IS AN INCORRECT GUESS.
NOT ONCE IN THE CONVERSATION THAT WAS HAD.
DID I HEAR MENTION THE SAVANNAH RIVER, WHICH IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT DOESN'T DRAW FISHERMEN FROM AROUND THIS AREA, YOU'RE SADLY MISTAKEN.
THERE ARE FREQUENTLY BASS TOURNAMENTS DOWN AT, AT MILLSTONE LANDING, SO WE'RE GONNA BE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED.
THE MAYOR HAD IT HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD, UM, AT OUR CHURCH ROAD AND PETERBURG ROAD INTERSECTION.
I OPPOSE THIS CHANGE THAT HAS BEEN, UH, REQUESTED TO THE MASTER PLAN AND ASK THAT YOU PLEASE CONSIDER THE NEEDS AND QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE LOCAL RESIDENTS OF PITTSBURGH AS YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION.
I THINK IT'S WORTH POINTING OUT THAT THE RIVERPORT PROJECT SITS ON A MASSIVE PIECE OF, OF RURAL TIMBERLAND COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY JASPER COUNTY.
TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE ARE NO HARDY RESIDENTS LIVING ON THIS PROPERTY DUBBED, UH, WHICH IS DUBBED RIVERPORT.
SO WHO IS BEING IMPACTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT? THE IMPACT FALLS SQUARELY ON THOSE RESIDENTS THAT RESIDE IN THE, IN JASPER COUNTY, IN THE COUNTY, IN THE RURAL COUNTY, NOT IN THE CITY.
DESPITE THIS, THERE HAVE BEEN JOINT THERE HAVE, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ANY JOINT MEETINGS BETWEEN THE COUNTY COUNCIL AND THE CITY COUNCIL TO EXAMINE THE IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY.
HAVE THE HARDY V AND JASPER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSIONS WORKED TOGETHER TO DEVELOP RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE COUNCILS THAT WOULD REDUCE IMPACT ON THE, ON THE COUNTY RESIDENTS? TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY HAVE NOT.
THEY, AND AS I SIT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I CAN TELL YOU WITHOUT A DOUBT, THE JASPER COUNTY COUNCIL, UH, THE JASPER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, HAS NOT MET WITH THE HARDY PLANNING COMMISSION TO LOOK AT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COULD BE MADE TO THIS BODY THROUGH AID IN YOUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
UM, AND I WILL, THIS, THIS IS A LITTLE, UH, MAYBE I SHOULDN'T SAY THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO NOT DOING THAT, NOT HAVING THAT WORK DONE BEFOREHAND, BEFORE IT FALLS IN YOUR HANDS.
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WORKED OUT FOR JASPER COUNTY RESIDENTS IN LEVY AND RED DAM.ANY DECISIONS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT? THIS DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE POSTPONED UNTIL SUCH CONSULTATIONS BETWEEN OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS CAN TAKE PLACE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS YOU SAY IN THIS MEETING.
WE DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
PDD, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND THE GUY WITH THE TRAFFIC REPORT, HE SAID THINGS, I'M SURE I'VE HEARD IT BEFORE BECAUSE I'M ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
WE RELY ON THE PEOPLE WE VOTE FOR TO REPRESENT US, BUT WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE A VOICE, I'M AFRAID THAT WE ARE NOT GETTING THE CONSIDERATION WE NEED.
UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THE IMPACT OF INCREASED TRAFFIC ON THE INTERSECTION OF CHURCH ROAD AND PITTSBURGH ROAD, WHERE OUR TWO CEMETERIES REST THIS INTERSECTION MUST BE CONSIDERED IN ANY DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THIS AREA.
THERE IS MINIMAL PARKING AVAILABLE DURING FUNERALS WITH MOST PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREET.
THERE HAS, THIS HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE IN THE PAST BECAUSE WE LIVE THERE, WE KNOW, UM, WE'RE BEARING A LOVED ONE AND WE QUIETLY MOVE PAST WHEN WE HAVE 1900 PLUS NEW PEOPLE LIVING THERE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE SAME.
UM, SO WITH THOUSANDS OF NEW VEHICLES ON THESE SMALL COUNTRY ROADS, SOME PLANNING MUST TAKE PLACE.
TO ADDRESS THESE POTENTIAL ISSUES BEFORE THESE DEVELOPERS ARE ALLOWED TO COMMENCE WITH THEIR PROJECT AS PITTSBURGH ROAD IS ELIGIBLE FOR THE HISTORIC REGISTER, AND, UM, WHY IS IT NOW BEING REFERRED TO AS THE RIVERPORT PARKWAY? UM, DOES, I'M SORRY, IS THERE A KLEENEX? YEAH, I'M SORRY.
UM, DOES THIS SHOW A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF THE HISTORY OF THE AREA? I REFER ANYONE INTERESTED TO A STUDY AND THERE'S LOTS OF INFORMATION JUST BY DOING A GOOGLE SEARCH, BUT, UM, THERE IS, UM, A STUDY BY THE LAMAR INSTITUTE.
IT'S ACTUALLY OUT OF EFFINGHAM COUNTY, DATED I THINK 200, UH, 2016.
IT'S MORE OF A, UM, A SURVEY, I WOULD SAY, OF THE AVAILABLE RESEARCH, UH, WHICH DISCUSSES THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANT OF SIGNIFICANCE OF THE AREA.
THIS IS, BUT ONE AGAIN, OF SEVERAL RESOURCES AVAILABLE.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF BOOKS IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN READING ABOUT THE, UM, HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF OUR AREA.
UM, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT ANYTHING ABOVE GROUND HAS BEEN DESTROYED THROUGH, UH, TIMBER AND HARVESTING, BUT UNDERGROUND AND, UM, WITH THE, THERE, THERE IS SOME KIND OF BERM THAT'S ON THIS PROPERTY, I BELIEVE.
AND ALSO THERE'S A CEMETERY ON THIS PROPERTY, AND I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT MENTIONED.
I THINK IT'S CALLED THE SAWYER CEMETERY, BUT IT'S ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND I I HAVEN'T HEARD PROTECTION FOR THAT CEMETERY MENTIONED THE LAST TRAFFIC POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE DEALS WITH MILLSTONE LANDING.
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WILL SEEK ACCESS TO THE SAVANNAH RIVER IS GOING TO BE OVERWHELMING AND FAR BEYOND WHAT THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION OF MILLSTONE WILL ALLOW.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOLKS COMING OUT OF GEORGIA TO ACCESS THE RIVER AND WHEN, AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN GO DOWN THERE AND MOST OF THE TAGS ARE GEORGIA TAGS.
AND WHEN THAT EXIT THREE OPENS, FORGET IT.
UM, SO I SUSPECT THAT THAT ACCESS WILL ONLY INCREASE COUNTY AND CITY LEADERSHIP NEED TO BE ADDRESSING HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL IMPACT THE SAVANNAH RIVER AND ITS ACCESS POINTS AS WELL AS THE IMPACT ON THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE AREA.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE SAVANNAH RIVER OTHER THAN VIA THE LANDINGS.
AND I'M TALKING ABOUT BURG RESIDENTS.
AND, UM, SO THESE LANDINGS ARE LIKELY TO OVERFLOW WITH THE NEW ARRIVALS.
AND I'M TALKING NOT ONLY ABOUT MILLSTONE, UM, THERE'S A VERY SMALL, UH, LANDING, IT'S, THAT'S KIND OF A
UM, BUT ALL OF THAT, SOME ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH, UM, DANNY MCKENZIE SUGGESTED LOOKING AT THIS WHOLE THING, SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT TOGETHER TO LOOK AT THIS.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, UM, THE LOCAL FOLKS HERE IN MY OPINION, ARE BEING, HAVE BEEN LEFT OUT AND I AGAIN, THANK THE MAYOR FOR TRYING TO INCLUDE US.
UM, AND FINALLY, THE SAVANNAH RIVER IS THE SOURCE OF WATER FOR MOST EVERYBODY IN THIS AREA.
UM, CLEARLY ANY DEVELOP THAT MAY IMPACT THE SAVANNAH RIVER MUST BE CLOSELY MONITORED.
I KNOW BEAUFORT JASPER PROBABLY DOES A GREAT JOB OF THAT.
UH, BUT THEY SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS.
YOU GUYS ARE GETTING TO DECIDE HOW
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OUR LIVES WILL BE IMPACTED BY THE COMING DEVELOPMENT.NEITHER Y'ALL NOR THE DEVELOPERS LIVE IN PBURG.
THUS, Y'ALL WILL NOT BE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED BY THE DECISIONS YOU REACH.
SO I BEG EVERYONE ON THIS COUNCIL TO PLEASE CONSIDER THE IMPACT YOUR DECISIONS WILL HAVE ON THE QUALITY OF THE LIFE OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN BURG.
UM, ONE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU.
UM, THE FIRST MEETING I EVER WENT TO, THE DEVELOPER, UM, SAID HE WOULD TURN THE PIECE OF LAND BETWEEN CHURCH ROAD AND HONEY HILL.
IT'S A, THE, I GUESS IT WOULD BE THEIR PHASE TWO PROBABLY IS MY GUESS, UM, INTO A SANCTUARY BECAUSE THERE'S A SALAMANDER THAT RESIDES THERE.
I, I HAVE YET TO HEAR THAT MENTIONED AGAIN.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL THING, NOT ONLY FOR THE SALAMANDER, BUT FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE AREA.
UM, ONE LAST FINAL NOTE, AND I PROMISE I'LL QUIT.
UM, A LADY THAT LIVES, I USUALLY WORK WITH THE POLLS, UH, DURING THE VOTING SEASON.
AND ONE OF THE LADIES THAT, UM, IS IMPACTED BY THE WAREHOUSES TOLD ME THAT NOW, UM, SINCE THE WAREHOUSES WENT UP ON LEVY ROAD, THERE'S A PINK BUILD DUCK THAT USED TO NEST OUT THERE.
AND THEY NOW NEST, SOME OF THEM OBVIOUSLY, BUT, UM, NEST IN HER BACKYARD, SHE TOOK PICTURES AND SHOWED ME THAT THE WILDLIFE IS BEING DISPLACED.
LAST NIGHT, FOUR DEER RAN THROUGH MY YARD.
NOW, SOME PEOPLE, THEIR HAIR PROBABLY GOES STRAIGHT UP IN THE AIR, BUT I WAS ABSOLUTELY THRILLED TO SEE 'EM.
AND IT REALLY MAKES ME VERY SAD TO KNOW THAT WHERE ARE THESE GUYS GOING WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? AND I HOPE WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT WHEN WE MOVE ALL THESE PEOPLE INTO OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, BY A SHOW OF HANDS, UH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHO AGREES WITH THE STATEMENTS OF MS. BUTLER WHO DISAGREES.
YOU, YOU HIT A LOT OF GOOD POINTS THERE.
UH, MS. BUTLER, AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS, UM, IF YOU WALK IN THE LOBBY, YOU'LL SEE THE LOBBY IS NAMED FOR MAYOR THORNTON BUTLER THAT WE DID A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
SO, UH, THE LATE MR. BUTLER WAS A VERY REVERED MAYOR IN OUR TOWN.
HI, MY NAME IS SHARON FERGUSON.
UM, I RESIDE HERE IN HARVILLE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I LIVE ON CHURCH ROAD, SO THIS PROJECT DIRECTLY IMPACTS ME.
UM, I LIVE IN WHAT WAS CALLED HUGIN OUTTA STATES, UM, BUILT ON HIGHWAY 31, WHICH IS NOW CALLED CHURCH ROAD.
UM, SOME PEOPLE REFER TO IT AS CHURCH STREET, BUT I'D LIKE FOR THEM TO MAKE THAT CORRECTION AND NOT CONFUSE PEOPLE THAT IT'S A CHURCH STREET, BUT IT'S CHURCH ROAD.
UM, I AGREE WITH ALL THE, UH, POINTS THAT DR. BUTLER MADE.
UM, I ALSO WOULD WELCOME THE, UH, COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE TOWN OF HARDY V AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M ALSO ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR JASPER COUNTY.
UM, A LOT OF THINGS THAT OCCUR, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT HAPPENS IN THE TOWN OF HARDY, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW UNTIL AFTER IT'S ON ITS WAY.
SO THAT WOULD BE A WELCOME ADDITION TO OUR MEETINGS AS WELL.
I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON, UM, CHURCH ROAD.
I'M, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW ALL OF THIS TRAFFIC COULD BE ACCOMMODATED ON CHURCH ROAD.
FORTUNATELY, I REMEMBER HOW TO DO A THREE POINT TURN BECAUSE WHEN I GET IN MY YARD, I DO A THREE POINT TURN SO I CAN HEAD OUT SO I DON'T HAVE TO BACK OUT ONTO CHURCH ROAD TODAY.
BECAUSE THE TRUCK TRAFFIC, THE CAR TRAFFIC THAT COMES ON CHURCH ROAD, NOT JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL PEAK 'CAUSE IT'S ALL DAY AND THEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE SPEED LIMIT.
THE FACT THAT THAT'S A COMMUNITY.
WHEN I COME AROUND THAT CURVE BY SCHOOL CUT ROAD, IF THERE'S A CAR BEHIND ME AND I'M DOING 35, THEY PASS ME.
AND WITHIN LESS THAN TWO TENTHS OF A MILE, I'M TURNING LEFT TO GO INTO MY, MY HOME, MY DRIVEWAY.
AND IF I DON'T BE CAREFUL, THEY'LL RUN RIGHT INTO ME BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO PASS ME.
THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO, UM, MENTION WAS THE, UH, INTERSECTION OF 3 21 AND CHURCH ROAD.
THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS AT THAT INTERSECTION OF CHURCH ROAD AND 3 21.
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SO FOR THEM TO NOT TO BE INDECISIVE ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO WITH THAT INTERSECTION IS REALLY NOT AN OPTION.SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE AT THAT INTERSECTION BECAUSE THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD.
AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM IS THE, UH, I 95 EXIT THREE.
UM, THEY CANNOT REALLY DETERMINE HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS GONNA COME DOWN CHURCH ROAD, TRYING TO GET TO EXIT THREE ON I 95 WHEN THAT GPS REDIRECTS THEM BECAUSE 95 BACKS UP, THEY'RE GONNA FIND CHURCH ROAD, PETERSBURG ROAD TO GET THE EXIT THREE I 95.
AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE BOARD HERE TODAY.
UM, I'M VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THOSE COMMENTS BECAUSE IT TELLS US THAT YOU HAVE SOME CONCERN AND CONSIDERATION FOR THE COMMUNITY.
MAY I SEE A SHOW OF HANDS, UM, OF ALL THOSE WHO AGREE WITH THAT LAST STATEMENT? ANYONE TO DISAGREE WITH IT? THANK YOU.
YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? MY NAME IS JUDITH M. SNOW AND I AM A RESIDENT OF SAVANNAH, GEORGIA, 25 COUNTRY WALK DRIVE, COFFEE BLUFF.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF GEORGIA FOR 17 YEARS.
I HAD MY SON IN 2008, BUT BEFORE THAT I WAS THE GRANDDAUGHTER OF THE LATE THOMAS M. DIXON AND ISABELLE RUBIN DIXON.
AND THEY CAME DOWN HERE FROM WASHINGTON DC WITH DEEP TIES TO NEW YORK.
AND SO AS AN ONLY GRANDDAUGHTER, I INHERITED A SMALL PLOT THERE IN HUGIN STATES, WHICH WHAT'S CALLED LOT 33.
AND I REMEMBER MY GRANDPARENTS TAKING ME THERE ALONG WITH TWO PLOTS THAT THEY OWNED ALONG THE SAVANNAH RIVER.
WHEN I WAS SIX YEARS OLD, THOSE TWO PLOTS THAT ALONG THE RIVER GOT SWALLOWED UP.
THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GO TO MY COUSINS.
AND SO I DON'T LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT HARDY V HAS A DEEP SPOT IN MY HEART BECAUSE IT GAVE ME MY FIRST JOB THROUGH MY FATHER WHO KNEW A LADY NAMED MISS KATHLEEN, WHO WAS KILLED VIOLENTLY IN GARDENS CORNER.
I'M NOW A BANKER, AN INSURANCE AGENT, AND I ALSO AM A REALTOR.
AND SO MY POINT OF VIEW COMES FROM THE YOUNG LADIES THAT YET COME ALONG AS I REMEMBER THIS AREA, BEING ABLE TO FREELY GO AS I WANT AND NOT WORRY ABOUT MY LIFE.
BECAUSE THERE WAS NEVER ANYONE ON THE ROAD WORKING IN INSURANCE.
I'VE SEEN CATASTROPHIC THINGS.
MS. KATHLEEN WAS KILLED VIOLENTLY.
SHE GAVE ME MY FIRST JOB, MR. LAWRENCE LATSON THERE AT BURGER KING, MAKING $4 AND 75 CENTS AN HOUR IN 1998.
MY FIRST CAR WAS A DODGE NEON.
I REMEMBER SOMEONE SAYING, GET RID OF IT BECAUSE YOU WILL GET KILLED.
AND IT NEVER DAWNED ON ME AND HOW LUCKY I WAS AT HOW GOD SAVED MY LIFE.
I COULD HAVE BEEN KILLED MANY TIMES.
AND SO TO THIS DEVELOPER, I CAN HEAR YOUR TEXAS ACCENT.
YOU'RE WRONG WITH SOUTH CAROLINA, NOT YOU THE OTHER ONE.
THINK ABOUT THE YOUNG LADIES AND THE YOUNG GENTLEMEN THAT HAVE YET TO COME ALONG.
MY SON AND I WERE AGAIN LUCKY TO, UH, HAVE OUR LIVES SPARED WHEN A TRUCK HIT US IN THE BACK THERE IN SAVANNAH.
AND SO ALL I'M SAYING IS GOD'S GRACE IS WANING.
THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY IS BREAKING.
WE CANNOT AFFORD MORE CATASTROPHIC ACCIDENTS.
AND I'M GONNA WRAP UP THINGS REALLY QUICKLY.
LIKE I SAID, I LIVE IN SAVANNAH.
THEY'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF YOU.
THEY'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT YOU'RE NOT ORGANIZED.
WHEN I HEAR CERTAIN THINGS AND I SEE PEOPLE WHO MATTER, AND I REMEMBER ALL THE WORK THAT MY GRANDPARENTS DID, AND I'VE SEEN THE EFFECTS OF INFLATION UPON OUR COUNTRY AND OUR COMMUNITY.
STOP LETTING PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOU.
STOP LETTING PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOU.
I'M GRATEFUL FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR JASPER COUNTY AS IT DOES NEED TO GROW, BUT IT NEEDS TO GROW CORRECTLY.
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JILL BENNETT AND I OWN PROPERTY ON CHURCH ROAD.AND I HAD SOME QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO ASK Y'ALL.
FIRST OFF, Y'ALL HAD ALREADY SPOKE ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE TRAFFIC, SO DIDN'T REALLY GET A CLEAR ANSWER ON THAT, BUT JUST NO NEED TO ASK THAT AGAIN.
UM, ONE THING IS, WHAT ARE THE PRICE RANGE OF THESE HOUSES THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT? WHAT ARE THE PRICE RANGE? THAT'S, THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED.
IT'S HARD TO, WHO KNOWS WHAT, WHO KNOWS? BEN, COULD YOU COME UP
PROBABLY THE BETTER QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S MARKET.
THE BETTER QUESTION IS, BEN, WHAT SIZE HOMES ARE YOU PLANNING TO BUILD? WELL, THERE'LL BE A MIXTURE OF SIZES, MAYOR, UM, SOME OF THEM, THERE'LL BE MORE THAN LIKELY THERE'LL BE SOME TOWN HOMES, WHICH WILL BE SMALLER, YOU KNOW, IN THE, SOME MAYBE IS 1400 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND THEYLL, THERE'LL BE HOMES THAT ARE, THAT ARE MUCH LARGER, YOU KNOW, UP TO OVER 3000 SQUARE FEET.
SO THE PRICE RANGE IS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE MARKET PRICE IS FOR NOWADAYS FOR 1400 SQUARE FEET, I THINK, UM, JOSH OR ANYBODY KNOWS, UH, AT ROYAL OAKS, WHICH ARE TOWN HOMES, I THINK THEY'RE IN THE MID TWOS TO 300.
SO IT PROBABLY, AGAIN, THE MARKET COULD GO DOWN AND IT, IT DROPS OR IT COULD GO UP AND IT'LL GO UP.
BUT THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IT GIVES YOU A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT TYPE OF HOMES THEY'RE BUILDING.
THE REASON I ASK THAT IS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE LIVING ON CHURCH ROADS SAY THEY END UP BEING DISPLACED BECAUSE THEY DECIDE TO WIDEN THE ROAD.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO AFFORD THOSE HOMES.
THOSE ARE LOW INCOME PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT AREA.
UM, YOU ALREADY AN ANSWERED THAT ABOUT THE GATED COMMUNITY.
SO I'M ASSUMING IT'S NOT, MAYBE NOT GOING TO BE GATED.
UM, AND I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT APARTMENTS.
UM, AND WILL THERE BE AN ENTRANCE FOR THE RESIDENTS ON TO CHURCH ROAD? I KNOW THAT THEIR PROPERTY BUTTS UP TO CHURCH ROAD RIGHT THERE CLOSE TO THE CURVE.
IS THAT WHERE THEIR ENTRANCE IS? COULD WE SHOW, COULD WE SHOW THE, UH, ENTRANCE POINT AND ALSO, UM, FROM THAT ENTRANCE POINT THAT'S PLANNED, UH, HOW FAR IS THAT FROM THE 3 21 INTERSECTION? UH, I DON'T HAVE A SCALE ON THIS BECAUSE I KNOW IT, IT TOUCHES CHURCH ROAD RIGHT THERE IN A SHORT SPACE.
YOU KNOW THE PROPERTY ON THE YEAH.
THAT AND IS THAT WHERE AN ENTRANCE IS GOING? THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE THE ENTRANCE WILL BE UNTIL HE GOT KILLED ON THAT, UM, CURB.
UM, SO I KNOW WHAT TRAFFIC PROBLEMS ARE UNTIL THESE TWO ENTRANCES ARE CONSTRUCTED ON OR FOUR PARKWAY.
UM, YOU ALREADY ANSWERED HOW IT WAS GONNA AFFECT MILLSTONE.
UM, DOES THE TOWN, IS THE CITY LIMITS ON PART OF THE REFUGE? 'CAUSE MY HUSBAND WAS LOOKING AT THE MAP AND HE SAID THAT A PART OF, I KNOW MILLSTONE IS CONSIDERED CITY LIMITS.
IS THERE MORE CITY LIMITS IN THE REFUGE? THIS, THIS HOLE, EVERYTHING IS CITY LIMITS AND THE REST OF WHAT IS KNOWN AS ON THE WEST SIDE, ON THE WEST SIDE, NORTHWEST SIDE, JUST, JUST THIS AND MILLSTONE LANDING ARE CITY LIMITS.
THERE, THERE WAS A PRIOR SALE IN 2015, I THINK WAS THE DATE FROM THIS ORIGINAL HARDY TRACK ASSEMBLAGE YEAH.
YEAH, ABOUT TWO, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, IT WAS LIKE 240 ACRES THAT GOT CONVEYED TO THE WILDLIFE OR IT GOT CONVEYED TO DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR, WHATEVER UNITED STATES.
THE TECH IS CONSIDERED PART OF THE REFUGE NOW.
IT'S PROBABLY ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU TOO.
WILL THE, UM, DEVELOPER EVER CROSS CHURCH ROADS TOWARDS HONEY HILL ROAD AND WHERE THE DEVELOPER ON ALREADY OWNS THE PROPERTY? SO THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED AS PART OF THIS PLAN AS, AS YOU CAN SEE, BUT IT COULD BE LATER ON IT IS ENTITLED YES.
NOW, I DID HEAR A COMMENT EARLIER, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION RELATED TO A SALAMANDER AREA.
AND THERE IS AN AREA BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY, WELL ACTUALLY THERE'S A PIECE OF IT ACTUALLY IN HERE THAT'S CONSIDERED THERE WILL BE PRESERVED IN PERPETUITY AS PART OF THE SALAMANDER HABITAT AREA.
THERE'S ALSO A PIECE BETWEEN CHURCH AND HONEY HILL THAT WILL ALSO RECEIVE THE SAME PROTECTION.
UM, IS THE DEVELOPER A US BASED AND OWNED COMPANY? YES, MA'AM.
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OKAY.UM, IS DEVELOPER GETTING A TAX BREAK FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND IF SO, FOR HOW LONG? THERE'S NO ANTICIPATION OF THE TAX BREAK.
SPEAKING SO THEY CAN, I DON'T THINK SOME OF THEM CAN.
HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE TAXPAYER HAVE TO PUT UP FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS THE WATER AND THE SEWER TAXPAYER HAVE TO PUT UP ZERO.
NOW, WHEN A DEVELOPER DEVELOPS, ALL HIS COST IS FIGURED INTO THE PRICE OF THE HOME.
SO YES, THE DEVELOPER AND ANY, ANY PLACE THAT WE'RE BUILDING, ULTIMATELY THE HOME BUYER PAYS BECAUSE EVERY DEVELOPER IS, YOU KNOW, A FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATION.
SO NOT DIRECTLY, BUT INDIRECTLY, WHOEVER BUYS THESE HOMES, THEY'RE THE ONES PAYING FOR IT.
I THINK IT'S LAMAR, IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT? VERY ACCURATE STATEMENT.
AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE NAMES OF THE OWNERS OR THE BOARD MEMBERS OF THE LLC BECAUSE I TRIED TO RESEARCH IT ON THE INTERNET AND I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING.
CAN I GET THAT? I'LL NEED TO CHECK WITH OUR CLIENTS TO ENSURE THAT CAN BE RELEASED.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A COPY OF THE MAP, YOU KNOW, SHOWING THE DETAILS OF WHERE PERRYSBURG ROAD WILL.
I HAD HEARD IT WOULD TURN BEFORE IT GOT TO THE CEMETERY.
IS THAT TRUE? ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT TURNING IT AND GOING OVER TO CHURCH, CHURCH ROAD AND MAYBE BEHIND THE POWER? I MEAN THE, UM, SEWER PLANT? I HAD HEARD THAT.
THERE'S NO PLAN TO RE REROUTE RE, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE A MAP THAT I COULD SEE THAT'S BIG ENOUGH THAT I COULD, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UH,
MAYBE MY CARD AND I'LL GET IT.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING THAT I WAS AT, YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE IMPROVEMENTS ON CHURCH ROAD.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE WIDENING OF THE ROAD BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS WERE SO CLOSE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR WIDENING OF THE ROAD.
WHY COULDN'T THE DEVELOPER PUT THEIR OWN ROAD BEHIND ALL OF THAT AND LEAVE THE COMMUNITY ALONE? SO SHARE THE MIC WITH YOU.
NOW THERE, THERE'S NO INTENTION TO WIDEN PERRYSBURG ROAD.
THEY'LL HAVE TO JUST AT THE ENTRANCE, I MEAN CHURCH ROAD, SORRY, I APOLOGIZE.
THERE'S NO INTENTION TO WIDEN PER, UH, CHURCH ROAD EXCEPT JUST ONLY TO PUT IN A TURN LANE AT THE ENTRANCE AS YOU SEE.
BUT THE OWNER DEVELOPER OWNS THE PROPERTY ADJACENT, SO IT WOULD BE ASYMMETRICAL WIDENING INTO THEIR PROPERTY AND NOT TAKING OF ANYBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY TO DO THAT.
BUT NONE OF THE REST OF CHURCH ROAD IS PLANNING TO BE WILD.
IT'S LIKE A RACETRACK RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN WE HAVE CHILDREN THAT'S GETTING OFF SCHOOL BUSES AND GETTING ON SCHOOL BUSES RIGHT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE DANGEROUS.
PLUS THEY'RE GONNA DEVELOP THAT SCHOOL RIGHT THERE.
AND THAT'S GONNA PUT BUSES AND MORE CHILDREN AT RISK.
WELL, I, I MEAN, I I BELIEVE PROBABLY A STRONGER EMPHASIS ON SOME PATROL NEEDS TO OCCUR IN THAT AREA.
WELL, IT CAN'T BE THERE ALL THE TIME.
UM, DID YOU KNOW THAT THERE WAS, UM, REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND CIVIL WAR ARTIFACTS OVER THE YEARS THAT WERE FOUND ON THAT PROPERTY? UM, YOU KNOW ABOUT THE CEMETERY AND THERE'S ALSO SOME KIND OF FORT RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER OF CHURCH ROAD IN PERRYSBURG ROAD.
IT'S LIKE A BERM TYPE FORT THAT'S HISTORICAL.
YOU DON'T OWN THAT PROPERTY, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST, WE'RE SORRY.
WE'RE AWARE THERE'S BEEN A FULL CULTURAL RESOURCES STUDY PERFORMED FOR THE PROPERTY, SO WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT YOU WERE REFERENCING AND THERE'S PROTECTIONS AROUND THAT AREA.
BUT YOU KNOW, THEY, THE, UM, CIVIL WARS SOLDIERS AND THE REVOLUTIONARY SOLDIERS CAMPED ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO THERE ARE ARTIFACTS ALL THERE THAT'S NOT BEEN FOUND YET.
AND UM, THERE ALSO IS THAT CEMETERY THAT'S JUST PASSED JERRY JAMES'S PROPERTY THAT THERE'S A, A GATE UP THERE.
SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF FAMILY HAS ACCESS TO IT.
BUT, UM, THAT'S SOME OF MY CONCERNS.
AND THEN ALSO THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE BUILDING SOME KIND OF APARTMENTS ON OLD CHARLESTON ROAD AND BURG ROAD THAT'S DUMPING MORE TRAFFIC THEN ON HONEY HILL ROAD.
I HEARD THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE SOME HOUSES DEVELOPMENT ON HONEY HILL ROAD TOO.
SO THAT'S MORE TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA BE DUMPED IN THE AREA, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT OR ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS? WHAT, WHAT THAT'S IN THE COUNTY.
THE, THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE IN THE COUNTY.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION
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ON THEM AT THIS TIME.WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING, BUT I, BUT I'VE, FROM TALKING TO THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT HAVE COME IN TO TALK ABOUT THIS, WE'VE BEEN, UM, APPRISED OF THAT.
SO WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM JASPER COUNTY'S PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT THIS? WE HAVEN'T.
I DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GOTTEN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL.
IT HASN'T GOTTEN TO THE PLANNING.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S A STAFF LEVEL THING.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST IN THE PRE PLANNING COMMISSION STAGE.
YOU KNOW, AND BASICALLY WE LIVE IN A RURAL AREA AND WE WOULD LIKE IT TO STAY RURAL.
I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S THINGS WE CAN'T STOP, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO CONSIDER THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA TOO, NOT JUST THE DEVELOPERS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD CAUSE PEOPLE TO HAVE TO MOVE.
BUT, UM, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY.
ANY ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S ALL I CAN THINK OF.
THANK THE, UM, DOES EVERYONE AGREE WITH, UH, THOSE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS THAT HAVE JUST BEEN ASKED? YES.
ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T AGREE? YES SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD.
UM, I LIVE ON PETERSBURG ROAD.
I TRAVEL CHURCH ROAD ON THE DAILY BASIS.
UM, A COUPLE OF NOT CONCERNS, BUT, UM, COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION ON.
UM, HE JUST MENTIONED THAT, AND THEN IT WAS UNDER MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CHURCH RULED WOULD BE WIDENED IN CERTAIN, SOME TYPE OF WAY BEING THAT IT WON'T BE, UM, THAT'S EVEN MORE OF A SAFETY ISSUE.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY THINK ABOUT, UM, INSTEAD OF STARTING YOUR BILL ON THE CHURCH ROAD SIDE, WHY NOT START IT ON THE PARKWAY SIDE? UM, THERE'S NO HOMES THERE.
WELL, A FEW HOMES, I WON'T SAY NO HOMES, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S PATH OF A LEASE RESISTANCE ON THE PARKWAY SIDE.
UM, YOU WOULDN'T, IF YOU DEVELOP THE PARKWAY, YOUR TRAFFIC CAN COME FROM EXIT THREE.
UM, ALL OF YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF WITH THE CONSTRUCTION, ALL THAT CAN HAPPEN ON THAT SIDE.
CHURCH ROAD WOULDN'T BE AFFECTED NEARLY AS MUCH AS YOU STARTING ON THE CHURCH ROADSIDE.
UM, ANOTHER THING, UM, THEY MENTIONED ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CEMETERY.
THEY MENTIONED THE GREEN CEMETERY.
I'M NOT SURE THE, UH, NO ONE SIDE IS CONSIDERED THE GREEN AND ONE SIDE, AND TO MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S CONSIDERED PETERSBURG CEMETERY.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S THE WHOLE THING IS CONSIDERED THE GREEN CEMETERY, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, SIR.
UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE CONSIDERATION THAT IS IN PLACE FOR THE GREEN CEMETERY WOULD BE JUST AS THE SAME FOR THE PETERSBURG CEMETERY.
UM, ALSO WE, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT, AND AGAIN, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, I APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL AND THEIR QUESTIONS.
UM, IT, IT SHOWS THE CONCERN THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND, AND, UM, WE APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO FEEL LIKE THAT, UM, WHEN THEY START THIS BILL, AND I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN SOMEHOW SOME WAY NO MATTER WHAT, WHAT WE GO THROUGH HERE.
UM, IT'S LOOK LIKE IT'S, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
BUT PLEASE CONTINUE TO KEEP IN MIND THE SAFETY OF THOSE WHO TRAVEL THIS ROAD ON A DAILY BASIS.
FAMILIES, UM, YOUNG CHILDREN, UM, JUST LEARNING HOW TO DRIVE.
UM, THEY, THEY HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE, THE ABILITY TO, TO KNOW WHEN DANGER IS COMING.
AND, UM, WE NEED TO KEEP THOSE YOUNG KIDS IN, IN IN MIND.
UM, I ALSO HEARD OF, UM, POSSIBLY THE, UH, IMPROVEMENT OR THE ADDITION TO HAVING SOME TYPE OF RECREATIONAL FACILITIES IN THE AREA.
UM, AND I THINK THAT IS DEFINITELY A, A GOOD THING THAT THE, THAT THE BUILDERS, UH, HAVE IN MIND.
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AGAIN, WE, WE WANT SAFETY TO BE FIRST AND WHEN WE HAVE ALL THIS CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC AND THE ADDITION OF, UH, OVER A THOUSAND MORE VEHICLES PER DAY, AND THAT ROAD NOT BEING WIDE WIDEN AND MAYBE NOT EVEN CONSIDERING THE ROUNDABOUT OR EVEN THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF 3 21 AND CHURCH ROAD.I THINK THAT DEFINITELY HAS TO BE, UH, THE MAIN FOCUS BEFORE ANYTHING GETS STARTED.
WHO AGREES WITH THAT? THOSE STATEMENTS? ANYONE DISAGREE? UM, THIS GENTLEMAN ASKED A QUESTION, UM, BEN, UM, HE ASKED THE QUESTION, WHY NOT BUILD, UH, PHASE ONE ON THE PARKWAY SIDE FIRST RATHER THAN ON THE CHURCH ROAD SIDE FIRST? CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? CAN SOMEONE ANSWER WHY, WHY IS PHASE ONE OVER THERE INSTEAD OF PHASE ONE BEING, UH, NEAR EXIT THREE? WHAT'S THE RATIONALE FOR THAT? THE RATIONALE IS, IS THAT, THAT THE CONSTRUCTION OF RIVERPORT PARKWAY NORTH WILL BE BUILT.
AND SO THOSE CURB CUTS, UH, WILL NOT BE IN PLACE UNTIL THAT, UNTIL THAT SPINE ROAD IS IN PLACE.
SO, UH, PHASE ONE BEING WHERE IT IS OFF CHURCH ROAD WILL BE STARTED AND BEING DEVELOPED.
WELL, I AND BEFORE PARKWAY NORTH IS FINISHED.
AND OBVIOUSLY THAT, THAT DEVELOPMENT WILL TAKE TIME, THAT FIRST PHASE.
AND SO I THINK THE, THE RATIONALE HERE WAS, AND, AND THE REASON WHY WE ENDED UP HAVING THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS DONE IS TO SEE WHAT CHURCH ROAD COULD SUPPORT ALONG WITH THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION, UM, WHILE PARKWAY NORTH WAS BEING BUILT.
AND THAT IS HOW WE GOT TO THE NUMBER THAT WE DID BEFORE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL OR A LIGHT WAS NEEDED AT THE INTERSECTION OF 3 21 IN CHURCH.
SO OBVIOUSLY YOU, YOU, YOU COULD SEE THE PROCESS OF A CERTAIN NUMBER OF HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE TIME.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOTTA BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, BEFORE YOU START BUILDING ANY HOUSES.
SO THE SEQUENCE WOULD BE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE'S BUILT A FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
YOU START SELLING HOUSES BEFORE YOU GET CLOSE TO THAT TRIGGER AT 3 21 IN CHURCH, YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS OF WHAT IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE MADE AT 3 21.
IN CHURCH, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BUILD ANY MORE HOUSES PRIOR TO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS BEING MADE.
AND THEN THERE'S A CERTAIN NUMBER THAT COULD BE BUILT FROM THE POINT WHERE THE IMPROVEMENTS TO 3 21 AND CHURCH ARE IN PLACE.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU'D HAVE THE NEW PARKWAY AND NEW INTERCHANGE IN PLACE AT SOME POINT ALONG THAT WAY AS WELL.
IS THAT I'M NOT, WE DON'T HAVE TO PASS JUDGMENT ON IT, BUT THAT'S THE RATIONALE.
BUT, UH, ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT'S A, A BEAT TO IT, MICHAEL.
WE'VE ALREADY SEEN, UM, A, A PLAN FOR PARKWAY NORTH, THE WIDENING OF I 95 AND THE WIDENING OF I 95 IS INTENDED SO THAT THOSE BACKUPS ON I 95 DON'T HAPPEN THAT WE'RE ALL AFFECTED.
17 WE'RE, WE'RE ALL AFFECTED BY IT.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY I 90 FIVE'S BEING WIDENED, EXIT THREE'S GOING TO BE BUILT AND PARKWAY NORTH OR PERRYSBURG ROAD, IF I HEARD RIGHT, PEOPLE WOULD PREFER YES, SIR.
UM, I, I'M FROM ESTEL, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS I'M NOT FROM TEXAS.
SO, SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE, UH, TIMETABLE, I FORGET EXACTLY WHAT IS THE TIMETABLE FOR THE COMPLETION, THE CURRENT TIMETABLE FOR THE COMPLETION OF BURG ROAD NORTH? WELL, IT'S ABOUT AN 18 MONTH BUILD, MR. MAYOR, OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PIECES THAT ARE IN PLACE.
NUMBER ONE, THE, THE ROAD WIDENING OF 95 IS GOING TO START, THAT CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO BEGIN AT THE SAVANNAH RIVER.
YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD TWO NEW BRIDGES AND OBVIOUSLY WORK THROUGH THAT WIDENING PROCESS.
YOU'VE GOT A NEW INTERCHANGE BEING BUILT AT THREE, SOME IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE MADE TO EXIT FIVE AND A COMPLETE REPLACEMENT OF EXIT EIGHT.
SO THE WHOLE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE IS STILL BEING WORKED OUT AS WE SPEAK.
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THAT WE COULDN'T START THE CONSTRUCTION AND, AND THIS IS A CITY MANAGED PROJECT FOR PARKWAY NORTH.IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT PERRYSBURG IMPROVEMENTS, THAT SPINE ROAD COULDN'T BE STARTED SOONER.
THAT JUST HAS TO BE IN PLACE BY THE TIME THE NEW EXIT THREE IS BUILT.
BUT, BUT, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE OVERPASS THAT'S THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BURG OVERPASS THAT'S THERE NOW IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME DOWN.
SO THERE WOULDN'T BE CONNECTIVITY ACROSS UNTIL THAT NEW INTERCHANGE IS IN PLACE.
SO JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS RIGHT NOW, THE COMPLETION OF EXIT THREE AND THE WIDENING OF I 95 UP TO MILE MARKER NINE, THE CURRENT TIMETABLE IS SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND JOSH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, PROBABLY FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE SAYING THE CONNECTING ROAD BURG NORTH CAN BE DONE AS THAT'S HAPPENING? YEAH, I, I WOULD PLACE A MINIMUM TIMEFRAME OF THREE YEARS AND A MAXIMUM TIMEFRAME OF FIVE YEARS BASED UPON THE SCHEDULES THAT DOT HAS KIND OF SHARED WITH US THAT WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.
SO WHAT, AGAIN, I'M GOING BACK TO THIS GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION.
YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SEE, UH, PBURG THE NEW EXTENSION OF PBURG ROAD BE SOMEWHERE IN, IN THE TIMEFRAME OF FIVE YEARS.
UH, SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE, AGAIN, I'M NOT, IT'S NOT A VALUE JUDGMENT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING TO THE TIMETABLE OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
NEXT, WHO, WHO ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? KATHLEEN? I WAS WAITING.
I I I KNEW YOU WERE GONNA SIT THERE THE WHOLE TIME.
KATHLEEN DECOURSEY 7 82 TON HALL ROAD.
UM, MY CONCERN IS WITH THE JASPER COUNTY RESIDENTS IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER THERE.
I SEE THAT YOU HAVE A 50 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THOSE PROPERTY LINES.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT BUILDINGS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SETBACK IS, BUT RIGHT UP AGAINST THAT, I THINK TO BE, UM, FAIR TO THE CITIZENS OF JASPER COUNTY TO REMOVE THOSE BUILDINGS, THE ONE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THAT ROAD, AND THEN THE OTHER TWO TO CREATE A BIGGER BUFFER BETWEEN THE JASPER COUNTY GROUP.
COULD YOU POINT OUT FOR US WITH THE CLICKER? SURE.
THIS ONE RIGHT HERE AND THESE TWO SO THAT THIS CREATES A BIGGER BUFFER RIGHT HERE AGAINST THE JASPER COUNTY RESIDENTS.
AND THERE ARE SETBACKS WITHIN THE THOSE.
BRANDON, COULD YOU TELL EVERYONE WHAT THE SET, UH, WHAT NOW? SETBACKS, THE REAR SETBACKS 15 OR 20.
SO IF IT'S 20 FEET AND YOU HAVE A 50 FOOT BUFFER, YOU ONLY HAVE 70 FEET BETWEEN THEIR LOT LINE IN THAT BUILDING.
ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, I BEFORE WE GO TO REPEATS? NOPE, MS. BUTLER, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT TILL EVERYBODY'S HAD THEIR FIRST CHANCE AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE YOUR SECOND CHANCE.
UM, I WANNA CONFIRM THAT THE, UH, PARKWAY GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE CURRENT INTERSECTION WHEN THEY BUILD A NEW PARKWAY, IT'LL GO ALL THE WAY TO THE CURRENT INTERSECTION OF CHURCH ROAD.
SO ALL THAT TRAFFIC IS GONNA GO ALL THE WAY TO THE CEMETERY AND TAKE A RIGHT TO GO TO PARKWAY NORTH WILL JOIN WHERE IT'S ALREADY, UH, PAVED AT MILLSTONE LANDING, CORRECT? NOT COMPLETELY.
I MEAN, THEY'LL JOIN THAT ROAD, BUT SO IT WILL, IT WILL JOIN THE EXISTING ROAD THAT'S PAVED THERE.
IT WILL CARRY ON NEW PAYMENT ALL THE WAY TO CHURCH STREET.
THE, THE JUNCTION OF THE TURNPIKE AND CHURCH ROAD IS WHERE THE CEMETERY IS.
THERE'S NO PLAN TO DO ANYTHING TO THAT INTERSECTION.
THAT'S WHAT I REFERRED TO EARLIER AND ASKED THEM TO, UH, GIVE US AN ANSWER TO THAT BY THE NEXT MEETING.
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MAYOR, JUST TO MAKE SURE I, I HEARD YOU RIGHT.YOU WERE DISCUSSING THE ISSUES THAT YOU HAD ON ARGENT BOULEVARD RIGHT AFTER THAT.
YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA VOTE CONSISTENTLY WHEN THIS THING HAPPENS.
I SAID WE HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT IN OUR THINKING.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS ON VOTING.
THAT'S, UH, THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
WELL, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THE MISTAKES OR THE THE TOUGH THINGS THAT HAPPENED ON ARJUN WON'T HAPPEN ON, WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID, AVOID THAT FROM HAPPENING.
I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU, UM, GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE FOR, FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, THESE NEW COMMUNITIES HAD COME IN.
WE DIDN'T HAVE POCKET PARKS, WE DIDN'T HAVE SIDEWALKS.
I KNOW SUN CITY MARGARITAVILLE, THE, WHEN WE DID THESE 10 YEARS AGO, SEVEN YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T THINK OF THOSE THINGS.
AND THEN WE REALIZED AS WE STARTED BUILDING OUT THAT THAT WAS A MISTAKE.
YOU KNOW, WE MAKE MISTAKES UP HERE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS, BY HAVING THESE KIND OF SESSIONS, WE, WE KNOW SOME OF THE MISTAKES WE MADE AND WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THEM IN THE FUTURE.
WE DO IN, IN FROM OUR LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY.
WE DO HAVE TO HAVE CONSISTENCY OF THINKING.
AND THAT'S MY, WHAT WAS MY POINT IS WE HAVE TO HAVE, WE HAVE TO, WE UP HERE HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T ASK FOR MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING.
AND JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS AGO WE DIDN'T ASK FOR SIDEWALKS AND NOW WE DO.
THEY WEREN'T IN THE ORIGINAL, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
SO YES, WE TRY TO LEARN, WE TRY TO MAKE BETTER DECISIONS AND MAKE BETTER DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, BUT JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE ARE PROPERTY RIGHTS AS WELL.
WE ARE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO, UM, TO MEET HERE.
MS. BUTLER? I DON'T, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO PETER UP TO THE PODIUM.
NO, I JUST, NOT PETER UP, BUT I MEAN, MS. FERGUSON AND, UM, ANYONE ELSE, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY, I WANTED THIS FOR THE PBURG FOLKS, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ONLY HAD THE REQUEST FOR THE SUBDIVISION REZONING AT MYERS LAKE.
THAT'S THE ONLY, THAT'S THE ONLY NOTHING ELSE FOR PBURG HAS COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND I JUST WANNA LET THE PBURG PEOPLE KNOW, ALTHOUGH THERE'S A LOT IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THAT, NOTHING HAS COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OTHER THAN A REZONING REQUEST FOR THE MYERS LAKE SUBDIVISION.
SO I, AND AGAIN, WE, WE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT IN JASPER COUNTY RIGHT.
WE'RE NOT AWARE OF WHAT HAPPENS AT YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND YOUR POINT OF BOTH PLANNING COMMISSIONS, YOU KNOW, KNOWING WHAT EACH OTHER, WHAT'S GOING ON BESIDES JUST EXCHANGING PAPERWORK.
AND I KNOW CHAIRMAN KEMP, THAT'S ONE OF HIS, HIS BIG PUSHES THAT THAT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
I JUST WANTED TO LET HIM KNOW.
'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF GUYS YEAH, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON.
AND SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT, MR. MAYOR.
UH, UH, FIRST LET'S COMPLETE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, ANYONE ELSE BEFORE I CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT? I DID HAVE ONE COMMENT.
I THINK YOU CLARIFIED THAT CHURCH ROAD IS NOT GONNA BE WIDENED.
BUT I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING WHEN YOU JUST MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT SIDEWALKS YEARS AGO.
ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO PUT SIDEWALKS ON CHURCH ROAD BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN THAT THE BUS AND THEN THE SCHOOL IS COMING IN RIGHT NOW.
KIDS WALK THROUGH MY YARD, BUT I DON'T MIND THEM WALKING THROUGH MY YARD.
I'D RATHER THEM WALK THROUGH MY YARD THAN TRY TO WALK THE HIGHWAY.
SO I'M, I'M JUST, MY QUESTION IS, ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO PUT SIDEWALKS ON CHURCH ROADS? I DON'T KNOW FROM THE STATE IF THERE'S ANY PLANS.
AND AGAIN, THOSE STATE ROADS, WHAT WE DID, AND THANKS TO THE EVERYBODY AT JASPER COUNTY WHO PASSED A REFERENDUM, THERE'S A LIST OF ROADS THERE.
THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, LIKE IMPROVEMENTS TO 2 78 AND ARJUN BOULEVARD 4 62, ALL THOSE, UH, THREE 15, ALL THOSE ROADS ARE LISTED IN THE REFERENDUM AND THEY WILL BE FIXED.
SO THAT'S HOW THOSE KINDS OF THINGS
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GET FIXED IS BY FUTURE TAX REFERENDUMS. UNLESS THE STATE WANTS TO THROW US A, A FEW MILLION DOLLARS DOWN HERE AND THEY RARELY WANNA DO THATYOU KNOW, UNLESS WE SAID TO THE DEVELOPER, HEY, PUT, PUT SIDEWALKS ALONG CHURCH ROAD, BUT THAT, THAT'S OUT OF OUR HANDS TOO.
'CAUSE THAT'S A STATE DECISION, YOU KNOW? SO GOOD IDEA.
BUT HOW, HOW IT'S IMPLEMENTED.
I, I THINK IT'S BEYOND OUR ABILITY HERE.
I WISH IT, I WISH IT WAS, BUT THANK YOU.
I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE.
AND IF YOU HAVE A, AN EXTRA 50 MILLION, MAYBE WE CAN GET
WE'LL ACCEPT CHECKS OR MONEY ORDERS.
I WISH I WONDERFUL
I, I THINK YOU CAN, I HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS.
I THINK YOU CAN, UH, UNDERSTAND FROM THE, ALL THE MANY COMMENTS, UH, THE DIFFICULTIES IN, UH, IN OUR, IN OUR CHOICES AND ALSO WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.
AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT AND SHARING WITH US YOUR CONCERNS.
WHEN IS THE NEXT MEETING PERTAINING TO THIS RIGHT NOW? 'CAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO DECISIONS MADE TODAY.
THIS IS LISTEN AND LEARN TODAY.
NOW IT COMES TO, UH, FIRST READING, UH, OF AN, IT'S AN ORDINANCE THAT HAS TO BE PASSED.
THERE ARE TWO READINGS THAT ARE LEGALLY, UH, NECESSARY.
ONE WILL BE ON JUNE 18TH AND THEN THE FIRST THURSDAY IN JULY.
THE FIRST THURSDAY IS THE THIRD.
AND BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAY, WE PUSHED IT BACK.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS ON THE 10TH ON WHICH OF JULY 10TH.
SO THE SECOND READING WILL BE JULY 10TH.
BOTH OF THOSE WILL HAVE A VOTE BY COUNCIL AND THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AT BOTH OF THEM.
SO THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE.
THERE'S SOME OF THE THINGS, SOME OF THE NOTES WE'LL ASK THE DEVELOPER TO WORK ON, LIKE CHURCH IN BURG, INTERSECTION, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER REVIEW AND PUBLIC HEARING AND A VOTE.
IF IT PASSES, THEN IT GOES TO JULY 10TH.
IF IT PASSES JULY 10TH, IT BECOMES LAW.
UM, I HAD ON THE NOTICE, I GOT SOMETHING ABOUT A MEETING JUNE 5TH.
WHAT IS THAT? WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING ON JUNE 5TH.
A REGULARLY SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING.
BUT THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT ON IT.
UM, WHEN, UM, WE ACTUALLY PUT OUT THE NOTIFICATIONS AT THAT POINT, WE, WE PUSHED IT OUT A LITTLE BIT AND PUT IT FOR JUNE 5TH AT THAT POINT, THINKING THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE AN APPROPRIATE DATE WITH THE NEED FOR THE WORKSHOP AND EVERYTHING.
THAT'S WHERE JUNE 18TH CAME INTO PLAY.
'CAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAD THIS FORUM AND MAKE SURE, SO WE WERE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE GOT NOTIFIED THAT IT WON'T BE THE FIFTH, BUT IT WILL BE THE UM, 18TH.
FIVE O'CLOCK IS THE COUNCIL MEETING NOW THERE WILL NOT BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS PROJECT ON JUNE 5TH.
NOW NORMALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS, SO, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN THIS COUNCIL CAME IN, WE'VE REALIZED THAT THE, THE, OUR DECISIONS WERE BECOMING MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT.
THEY WERE EASY NINE YEARS AGO WHEN I BECAME MAYOR BECAUSE NOTHING WAS HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WAS, IT WAS KIND OF EASY RELATIVE, NOW THAT MANY THINGS ARE HERE, THE FASTEST GROWING, UH, PERCENTAGE WISE OF ANY COMMUNITY, I THINK IN THE UNITED STATES.
AND SO NOW IT'S A LOT MORE DIFFICULT 'CAUSE THERE'S STUFF ALREADY HERE THAT WEREN'T, THAT WASN'T HERE NINE YEARS AGO.
SO, UM, THIS COUNCIL DECIDED THAT SO WE CAN MAKE GOOD DECISIONS WHEN WE HAVE A COMPLICATED DECISION LIKE THIS IS THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE BETWEEN PLANNING COMMISSION AND FIRST READING A WORKSHOP.
LIKE TODAY WE REALIZED THIS WOULD BE COMPLICATED.
SO WE, WE, WE REQUIRED A WORKSHOP, WHICH IS TODAY, AND THEN
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A PERIOD OF TIME, WHICH WILL BE JUNE 18TH FOR US TO GIVE, GO BACK AND GET OUR HEADS CLEARED AND TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME GOOD QUESTIONS AND, AND, AND A GOOD DECISION.AND WHEN WOULD BE THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING? IT'S AT THE COUNCIL MEETING OF JUNE 18TH WHEN WE HAVE THE FIRST, WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE FIRST READING AND THE FIRST VOTE.
AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I FORGOT TO SAY IS, YOU KNOW, WITH 500 NEW HOUSES COMING TO THAT SUBDIVISION, THAT'S GONNA PUT A MINIMUM OF A THOUSAND CARS.
'CAUSE MOST FAMILY AT LEAST HAVE TWO CARS.
SO IF, IF YOU HAVE FOUR CARS, THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER THOUSAND ON CHURCH ROAD.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, AND WE'LL SEE, WE'LL SEE AT THE MEETING WHEN ALL THE DOCUMENTS COME OUT, UH, THE TRAFFIC REPORT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT WILL BE, UM, PART OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE SENT TO US AS CITY COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT GOES BY HOUR AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO, AND IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF READING, BUT THEY, THEY, THOSE DOCUMENTS WILL BE AVAILABLE.
AND NOTIFICATION IS AN ISSUE TOO.
YOU KNOW, THE FIRST MEETING I GOT A LETTER, LIKE A DAY AND A HALF BEFORE NOBODY ELSE DID.
AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOTIFIED EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO PUT A, A BIG POSTER UP ON CHURCH ROAD SOMEWHERE EXPLAINING WHAT IT IS AND WHEN THE MEETINGS ARE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE INTERNET
AND, UM, MS. BROWN, COULD YOU MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT ONE OF THOSE LITTLE SIGNS THAT YOU DRIVE BY AND YOU, THAT YOU CAN'T READ? THAT YOU CAN'T READ? YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOUR COMMUNITY IS WELL NOTIFIED.
UH, LET'S, I'M GONNA TAKE IT BACK TO COUNSEL NOW, MR. MESMAN, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT OR QUESTION? YES, I DO.
UH, A LITTLE OVER TWO HOURS AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE THOSE ANSWERS.
WE HAVE JUNE 18TH, UH, SET FOR THIS FIRST READING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC COUNT IS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT OF BURG ROAD IS.
I DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE AND I DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE TIMELINE FOR EXIT THREE AND NEITHER DO ANY OF YOU FOLKS OUT THERE.
AND I THINK WAITING TO HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE FOR FIRST READING, WE'LL HAVE IT AHEAD OF TIME, BUT YOU ALL WON'T.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST TO DELAY THE JUNE 18TH UNTIL WE CAN GET THOSE ANSWERS AND HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP FOR THE PUBLIC TO ATTEND.
UM, I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE ALL THE DOCUMENTS ARE AVAILABLE.
WE'VE LISTENED TO ALL THE DOCUMENTS.
THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT HAVE TO COME BACK.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ANOTHER WORKSHOP AND JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, GO TO FIRST READING AND THEN AT THAT POINT, IF THERE'S STILL NOT SATISFACTORY ANSWERS, WE CAN, LIKE, WE ALWAYS DO TABLE IT UNTIL, SO MY RECOMMENDATION, I, I DON'T DISAGREE.
IT'S A GOOD IDEA, STEVE, BUT WHAT I'D SUGGEST IS LET'S GO TO FIRST READING AND IF WE STILL DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE, THEN AT THAT POINT WE CAN TABLE IT FOR AS FAR OUT AS WE WE WANT TO.
BUT I, I DON'T KNOW, SCHEDULING ANOTHER WORKSHOP SHOP EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD ACCOMPLISH.
WE HAD THE PACKET POSTED FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SLIGHT CHANGES TO IT, AND I'LL MAKE SURE THOSE ARE UPDATED AND THAT IS AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE.
WELL, I, I THINK, I THINK TO STEVE'S POINT, AND, AND IT'S A GOOD ONE, IS THAT NUMBER ONE, WE SHOULD, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE DOCUMENTS YET.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE, UH, THAT WE SHOULD, THIS COUNCIL SHOULD GET 'EM RIGHT AWAY.
NUMBER TWO, THOSE DOCUMENTS SHOULD BE POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE AND AS WE, UM, AS WE NOTIFY THE PUBLIC THAT THEY, THEY ALSO GET NOTIFIED HOW THEY CAN ACCESS THOSE DOCUMENTS ON OUR WEBSITE.
UM, 'CAUSE AS YOU KNOW, IT'S THREE, 400 PAGES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE COPIES.
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EVEN THOUGH I KNOW EVERYBODY DOESN'T HAVE A COMPUTER, BUT THAT'S HOW THEY'RE ACCESSED.SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION, UH, IS THAT, UM, WE GET THESE, THIS INFORMATION OUT.
ALSO, WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS THE LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT WE POSE TO THE DEVELOPER, LIKE THE INTERSECTION OF PETERSBURG AND CHURCH AND ALL THOSE QUESTIONS BE LISTED OUT, SENT TO THEM.
AND, UM, WE HAVE ANSWERS WHEN WE GET OUR PACKET THE FRIDAY BEFORE THAT 18TH MEETING, DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD SATISFY YOUR, YOUR SUGGESTION? OH, YOU'LL DO WHAT THE COUNCIL FEELS IS BEST.
I, THIS IS, UM, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY.
I, I THIS IS NOT A VOTING MEETING.
DOES THAT REQUIRE A STRAW POLL? DOES THAT REQUIRE SOME SORT OF, YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST TAKING ADVICE ON WHERE YOU WANT THE ITEMS PLACED ON AN AGENDA.
YOU'LL STILL DO YOUR FINAL AGENDA APPROVAL PER YOUR, UM, PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE, MAYOR.
SO THE CITY MANAGER CAN TAKE YOUR DIRECTION.
UM, WE'LL DRAFT THE AGENDA AND THEN YOU CAN GIVE THE FINAL APPROVAL ON THE DATE THROUGH, THROUGH THE PROCESS BY ORDINANCE.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW YOU CAN JUST DIRECT THE MANAGER AS TO WHAT DATE YOU'D WANT THIS ITEM TO BE PUT ON.
AND THEN HE WILL DO THE AGENDAS ACCORDINGLY.
I, I SUGGEST THAT WE, UH, AS I DID, UH, JUST DID, IS THAT WE, UH, PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA OF THE 18TH AND THAT WE, UM, AND THAT WE HEAR IT, AND THAT WOULD SERVE THE SAME PURPOSE AS A, A WORKSHOP WOULD.
AND IF WE'RE NOT SATISFIED, WE CAN ALWAYS, UH, WE CAN ALWAYS, UM, TABLE IT TO A DAY SPECIFIC AND THAT SATISFIES I AGREE.
DOES THAT THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, SIR.
MOVING IT KEEPS, IT KEEPS IT MOVING AND LIKE I SAID, WE CAN, WE CAN ALWAYS TABLE IT ON THE 18TH.
WE'VE, I LIKE WE'VE DONE ON OTHER THINGS.
OKAY, SO LET, LET ME TAKE A STRAW POLL.
UM, MY SUGGESTION IS TO PUT IT ON THE 18TH AGENDA AND, UM, AND WITH THE LIST OF QUESTIONS ANSWERED IN WRITING BEFORE WHEN WE GET OUR PACKET, WHICH IS THE FRIDAY BEFORE, WHATEVER THAT DATE IS.
AND OF COURSE THAT WE MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC IS WELL NOTIFIED ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT OUR NORMAL PROCEDURES ARE.
UH, JOHN, AGREE, DISAGREE? AGREE BO AGREE, VALERIE? AGREE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
WE'LL BE BACK HERE ON THE 18TH.
IF THERE IS ANY QUESTION, ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM ABOUT ANY OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN AND INFORMATION, PLEASE, UM, EMAIL BRIANNA B SNOWDEN AT HARDY.
YOU NOTICE I DIDN'T OFFER MYSELF
AND WE ARE BOTH WILLING, WE SHARE EMAILS AND, AND MAKE, WE HAVE A LOG THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING OFF OF ON HERE TOO AS WELL.
AND ALL THE EMAIL ADDRESSES ARE ON THE WEBSITE.
THERE'S ALSO CARDS OUT IN THE LOBBY WHEN YOU'RE LEAVING IF YOU WANT TO TAKE CARDS.
SO ANY, AND YOU CAN TELL YOUR NEIGHBORS, UH, SO YOU CAN BE AWARE OF EVERYTHING PRIOR TO JUNE 18TH.
AND, UM, AND THE COUNCIL WILL BE GIVEN THE INFORMATION NO LATER THAN THE FRIDAY BEFORE, BUT THE, THE ORIGINAL PACKET FROM TODAY, LET'S GET THAT TO THE COUNCIL RIGHT NOW SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME TIME TO READ IT.
THESE ARE ABOUT 500 PAGES OF MY FAVORITE READING.
THANK YOU FOR THE TAKING THE TIME AND HAVING THE CHAIR, UH, THE COURAGE TO SPEAK UP.
UH, HAVING SAID THAT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION?
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WE HAVE A SECOND, THIRD.