[00:00:28] >> GOOD MORNING. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, [CALL TO ORDER] MAY 14TH, 2025, CITY HARDEEVILLE TO ODER. MR. ARZILLO, IF YOU WOULD. >> YOUR, LORD, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THE BUILDERS IN TO [INVOCATION & PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] OUR COMMUNITY THAT WANT TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME HERE TODAY. LORD, I PRAY THAT YOU WILL GIVE US STRENGTH TO BE MINDFUL OF THE GROWTH THAT WE WANT, BUT ALSO BE MINDFUL OF THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS AND WHAT THEY WANT ALSO, LORD. IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. >> THANK YOU. >> >> THANK YOU. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. ANY CHANGES OR OMISSIONS ADDITIONS TO THE AGENDA? [APPROVAL OF AGENDA] SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I MAKE A MOTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION? DO I HEAR A SECOND? >> SECOND THE APPROVAL OF AGENDA. >> WE MOVED AND SECONDED, THAT WE APPROVE THE AGENDA? ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> PUBLIC COMMENT. DOES ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS [PUBLIC COMMENT] NOT DEALING WITH THE ISSUES ON THE AGENDA TODAY? >> NONE. >> WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ALONG. ALL BUSINESS. MINUTES OF MARCH 12TH, 2025 MEETING. [MINUTES FROM MARCH 12, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING] I DON'T HAVE ANY CHANGES. [BACKGROUND] SO THEY SHOULD BE OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM MARCH 12TH, 2025, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. >> I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HEAR A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES OF MARCH 12TH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SAY, AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> NEW BUSINESS. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE TWO NEW MEMBERS TO THE COMMISSION TO MY LEFT [INTRODUCTION OF NEW MEMBERS] IS LANDON PAPAY AND TO MR. ARZILLO'S, RIGHT IS DON KINSLEY. WELCOME BOTH OF YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS WE NEED TO ELECT A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR. [ELECTION OF CHAIR & VICE CHAIR] OUR PREVIOUS CHAIRMAN ELECTED NOT TO CONTINUE ON. I WILL ENTERTAIN MOTIONS FOR NOMINATIONS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE MR. TALBOT, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE YOU FOR CHAIR. >> WE HAVE A NOMINATION. DO I HEAR A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND THAT NOMINATION. >> ALL IN FAVOR. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> I'M NOT SURE I SHOULD SAY, THANK YOU, BUT THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER], NOW WE NEED TO ELECT THE VICE CHAIR. ANYBODY? >> I'LL MAKE THAT NOMINATION ALSO. I THINK JEFF FORMAN WOULD BE VERY GOOD AT THAT POSITION. >> DO I HEAR A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> AYE. >> JEFF HAS INDICATED THAT HE WOULD ACCEPT THE POSITION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE BOTH APPRECIATE IT, I THINK. [LAUGHTER] NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS, HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST PDD. [HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST PDD] THERE'S THREE CONSIDERATIONS. WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO ALL THREE AT ONCE. BUT THERE WILL BE THREE SEPARATE VOTES. RON. >> MORNING. >> YOU UP? >> YES, I'M UP. HE EVERYBODY'S DOING WELL TODAY. KATIE'S GOING TO PULL UP THE PRESENTATION FOR US. [00:05:03] YES, BECAUSE IT'S THREE IMPS AND ONE PDD. THEY'RE ALL ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER. WE THOUGHT WE'D PUT THEM IN ONE PRESENTATION. WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT EACH OF THE THREE SEPARATELY. BUT AT THE SAME TIME. [LAUGHTER] HERE'S THE PROJECT. FIRST ONE WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IS DOWN TO THE SOUTH. IT'S JUST ABOVE THE HARDEEVILLE SCHOOL, AND THE MOST RECENT POD THAT HAS COME IN, IT'S POD I, I BELIEVE. >> YES. >> I KEEP FORGETTING THEM. THEN THE SECOND ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ADJACENT TO I 95 ALONG THAT WHAT'S CALLED LAKESIDE BOULEVARD. IT'S GOING TO BE CALLED, YOU'LL SEE AS WE GO ALONG EMERSON LAKE BOULEVARD. THEN THE FINAL ONE IS POD G, AND IT IS OVER MORE INLAND FROM I 95 NEXT TO WHAT WE KNOW IS THE PRESERVE AND MAG WALK AREA. THIS SHOWS THEM ALL THREE ON ONE MASTER PLAN. WE RECEIVED THIS EARLIER TODAY. IT'S A VERY GOOD DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IN EACH OF THE THREE. YOU SEE WHERE THE PRESERVE IS, CONSERVATION EASEMENT AREAS, AND I 95 IS ON THE OTHER SIDE. THE JASPER COUNTY, HARDEEVILLE SCHOOL CAMPUS IS HERE, AND THE PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY THREE NOTES TOWN PARK THAT CAME FROM YOU A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO IS OVER TOWARDS THE WEST AS WELL. SOME PHOTOS. ON THE FIRST POD THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT, THE H1 AND F3 POD. THERE IS A LOCATION NECK OF A CEMETERY, BRYAN DAM CEMETERY. IT IS LOCATED BACK BEHIND THE SUBSTATION, AND THAT IS A DOMINION SUBSTATION. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND VERY IMPORTANT TO THE ELECTRIC SERVICE FOR THE ENTIRE REGION. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY'VE EXTENDED LAKESIDE BOULEVARD AND SOME OF THESE OTHER PHOTOS, AND JUST A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. PROPOSED MASTER PLAN FOR H1, H2, AND F3, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S 225 ACRES. IT IS LOCATED OFF OF LAKESIDE BOULEVARD AND ADJACENT TO THE HARDEEVILLE SCHOOL AND I 95. MAXIMUM OF 850 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS ATTACHED AND DETACHED. I MENTIONED THE CEMETERY. THE CEMETERY WILL HAVE AN UNDISTURBED 50 FOOT BUFFER. ACCESS WILL BE MAINTAINED TO THE CEMETERY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AND PARKING WILL BE PROVIDED FOR VISITORS. THE USES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE ELEMENT AND THE NATURAL RESOURCES ELEMENT AS WE TALK ABOUT OPEN SPACE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE IS ONE PROPOSED ENTRANCE ALONG EMERSON LAKE ROUNDABOUT ENTRANCE. FUTURE CONNECTIONS WILL BE PROVIDED THROUGH THE NORTHERN PORTION ONCE OFF SITE ROAD EXTENSIONS ARE COMPLETED. SIDEWALK AND TRAILS ARE INCLUDED IN THIS, CONNECTIVITY PATHWAY ALONG THE BOULEVARD WILL ALSO BE PROVIDED. WE WILL GET TO THE OPEN SPACE AND CONNECTIVITY PLAN HERE IN JUST A MOMENT. NO, OFF SITE, SITE IMPROVEMENTS WERE RECORDED REQUIRED AT THIS TIME BY TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. THIS HAS BEEN LOOKED AT FOR THIS IMP, AS WELL AS THE ENTIRE PDD THAT JUST WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE HAVE VETTED THOSE STANDARDS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AT LENGTH. THIS IS THE OPEN SPACE AND CONNECTIVITY PLAN. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SIDEWALKS ARE SHOWN IN THE YELLOW DOTTED LINES, CONNECTIVITY POINTS. THIS IS ALONG THE BOULEVARD, AND THEN TO OTHER AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE SUBSTATION AND THE CEMETERY LOCATIONS ON HERE. ACTIVE AND PASSIVE OPEN SPACES THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT ARE INCLUDED THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY TO PROMOTE COMMUNITY INTERACTION AND ENGAGEMENT. THIS POD GROUP HAS 47% OPEN SPACE WITH 10% ACTIVE OPEN SPACE, WHICH DOES MEET AND EXCEED THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PDD. THAT COVERS ALL THE STANDARDS FOR THE FIRST ONE. THE SECOND POD IS F1 AND F2. [00:10:02] AS I MENTIONED, IT IS ALONG THE INTERSTATE. THE AMENITY SITE IS, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TWO ENTRANCES, AND WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, 223 ACRES PODS F1 AND 2 IS ADJACENT TO POD H1, H2, AND F3 AND THE INTERSTATE. MAXIMUM OF 550 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS. THESE WILL ALL BE DETACHED OR RECOMMENDED TO ALL BE DETACHED. USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, TWO FULL ACCESS POINTS ALONG EMERSON LAKE ROAD. I'VE MENTIONED WHERE THE AMENITY CENTER IS GOING TO BE LOCATED NEAR THE NORTHERN COMMUNITY ENTRY TO BE ACCESSIBLE FOR THE NEIGHBORS. ONCE AGAIN, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS IN LINE WITH THE OVERALL PDD. PROPOSED OPEN SPACE, I DID NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT ONE. [LAUGHTER] BUT IT IS SIMILAR. WE HAVE 46% OPEN SPACE AND 11% ACTIVE OPEN SPACE, AND IT DOES HAVE THE SAME SIDEWALK AND TRAILS NETWORK THROUGHOUT. PROPOSED MASTER PLAN G, WHICH IS THE LAST ONE. YOU CAN SEE THE COMMUNITY ENTRANCE OFF OF EMERSON LAKE, AS WELL AS TWO COMMUNITY ENTRANCES, AND A MODEL COURT AND AMENITY SITE. I GOT KATIE'S HEAD RATHER THAN THE 306 ACRES LOCATED OFF EMERSON LAKE, PODS H1, H2, F1, AND F2 ARE ALL ADJACENT, 600 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS ATTACHED AND DETACHED, ONCE AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH SEVERAL ELEMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE LAND USE ELEMENT. I'VE MENTIONED THE ACCESS POINTS AND THE AMENITY CENTER, AS WELL AS ONCE AGAIN, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS DONE. PROPOSED OPEN SPACE AND CONNECTIVITY IS SHOWN ON HERE, AND 49% OPEN SPACE AND 10% ACTIVE OPEN SPACE. ONCE AGAIN, ABOVE THE NORMS. THE PROCESS FOR ALL THREE OF THESE TODAY IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS BODY WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL. YOU CAN APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS. THIS NEXT STEP, WILL COUNCIL WILL DETERMINE WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THESE OR NOT AND THAT WILL BE SCHEDULED. THEN IT'LL GO ON REGARDLESS TO FIRST AND SECOND READING OF THE BY CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL. SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE COME AFTERWARDS. THAT'S WHERE ALL THE DETAILS AND THE ENGINEERING STANDARDS ARE REVIEWED AGAIN. OUR RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS FOR APPROVAL OF ALL THREE OF THESE. >> DID YOU SAY IT WOULD OR WOULD NOT BE A WORKSHOP? >> THAT IS COUNCIL CITY MANAGEMENT DETERMINES THAT. BASED ON YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS OTHER FACTORS. >> TO START WITH QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION MEMBERS. I'M GOING TO START TO MY LEFT WITH LANDON. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> I DO. MY CONCERN, FORGIVE ME FOR KNOWING EXACTLY WHICH POD IT IS, BUT THE POD THAT IS ADJACENT TO I 95. THERE'S A 50 FOOT BUFFER FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. BUT WHAT IS THE SETBACK IN ADDITION TO I 95? LIKE, WHAT WE LOOK AT. >> YOU SETBACK ON THOSE POD? >> CORRECT. UP TO THE DISTANCE FROM THE END OF THE PROPERTY LINE FOR THOSE RESIDENTS TO I 95. >> IS LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT NOW. NATHAN LONG WITH THOMAS AND HUTTON IS REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT HERE ON HOW THEY'RE ORIENTING WHAT STYLE HOMES THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THERE. >> WELCOME, NOW, YOU GOT THE HOT SEAT. [OVERLAPPING]. >> THANK YOU, BRANA. >> EXCUSE ME. ONE QUICK QUESTION. I ARRIVE A LITTLE LATE. DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU WERE JUST SHOWING US IN PRINT. >> YES, MA'AM. I ACTUALLY DO HAVE THAT. >> BOTH OF US HERE IN THE AUDIENCE. >> ACTUALLY. >> PASSED OUT THAT I MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU. >> HAPPY TO PROVIDE AFTER THE MEETING FOR THE PUBLIC, [00:15:02] BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THE PRESENTATION IS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION BUT WE'LL HAPPY TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING AFTER. >> YOU FOLKS YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS A LITTLE BIT. >> GOOD MORNING. CONGRATULATIONS. TALBOT ON YOUR APPOINTMENT THERE. [LAUGHTER] ALSO LIKE TO WELCOME DON AND LANDON TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. MY NAME IS NATHAN LONG. I'M WITH THOMAS AND HUTTON. WE'RE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY ON THE WAY AS WELL. HE WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT 10 MINUTES LATE. HE RAN INTO SOME. >> HE COULDN'T GET OUT. >> SOME TRAFFIC IN CHARLESTON. [LAUGHTER] HE SAID HE LEFT AT 8:30, THINKING THAT WOULD BE TIME. BUT AS BRANDON MENTIONED, AND I'LL GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW LAND IN AS WELL, AND THEN I'LL ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION. AS BRANA MENTIONED, WE HAVE THREE IMPS BEFORE YOU TODAY. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS NOW ON THE PDD AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DOCUMENTS, WHICH ALL GOT APPROVED. >> IS THAT MICROPHONE ON? [NOISE] >> I'LL TRY TO STAND A LITTLE CLOSER. >> SOUNDS BETTER. >> YEAH, THAT'S BETTER. ALL THESE WERE APPROVED VERY RECENTLY HERE IN APRIL OF 2025. WE'VE HAD THESE SITTING ON THE SHELF READY TO SUBMIT AS WE GOT THROUGH THAT PROCESS. WE ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH EMERSON LAKE ROAD, AND I WILL A POINTER, IF YOU DON'T MIND, BRAN. PRESENTLY, RIGHT HERE IS WHERE THE ROAD ENDS. YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH LAKESIDE BOULEVARD THAT GOES OUT TO 278? >> THAT'S THE FINAL ROUNDABOUT ON LAKESIDE? >> CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. WHERE IT HEADS NORTH ON GARDEN BOULEVARD OVER HERE TO THE PRESERVE, AND A COUPLE OF OTHER COMMUNITIES BEING CONSTRUCTED. SO PRESENTLY, THERE'S 2.5 MILES OF ROAD UNDER CONSTRUCTION. SO IT DOES SOMEWHAT LOOK LIKE A WAR ZONE RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE IS SOME PAVING ON PORTIONS OF IT. THEY'RE KIND OF BACK IN THIS AREA RIGHT NOW. THE ROAD IS A FOUR-LANE ROAD. IT'S TWO TRAVEL LANES ON EACH SIDE. IT'S GOT A 23-FOOT DIVIDED MEDIAN IN THE MIDDLE. IT ALSO HAS A 10-FOOT MULTI USE PATH THAT'S BEING EXTENDED ALL THE WAY UP FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS. YOU'VE SEEN THE EXISTING PATH THAT'S HERE THAT SOMETHING EVERYONE ENJOYS OUT THERE. SO THAT'S BEING EXTENDED ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH. THIS ROAD ACTUALLY IS GOING TO CREATE THIS ENTIRE POD, AS WE'RE CALLING IT HERE FOR DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE GOT A REGIONAL LIFT STATION HERE THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE WATER AND WASTEWATER FLOWS FOR ABOUT 3,800 UNITS. THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL UNITS UP HERE. BEFORE YOU TODAY, AS THEY MENTIONED, WE'VE GOT THREE, EVERYTHING THAT TOUCHES THE ROAD THAT WE'RE BUILDING NOW. THERE'S GOING TO BE A BRIDGE COMPONENT HERE ACROSS THE WETLAND. WE'LL BE SIMILAR TO THE BRIDGE, YOU SEE ON 995. IT'S ABOUT A 100-FOOT SPAN. BUT THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL HOMES UP HERE. THERE'S 43 56 ENTITLED UNITS FOR THIS AREA. SO AGAIN, THIS REPRESENTS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN HALF AT 2000 UNITS THERE. LET'S SEE. SO EACH COMMUNITY IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT THEY'RE ALL DESIGNED WITH A COMMON THEME. WE DO HAVE LANDSCAPE AND SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE COMMUNITY. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THE NEW ENTRANCE MONUMENTATION THAT GOT REMOVED AND REPLACED A LITTLE MORE MODERN FIELD THAT YOU SEE THERE RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE TO HILTON HEAD LAKES. AT THE SOUTH END, THAT WILL BE CARRIED THROUGHOUT WITH SIGNAGE FOR THE COMMUNITY. THERE WILL BE LANDSCAPING AS WELL IN THE MEDIAN, ET CETERA THIS ROAD. YOU KNOW, EACH SITE HAS ITS OWN AMENITIES AND POCKET PARKS. NOW I GUESS I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET TO YOUR QUESTION THERE, LANDON. SO I-95, WE DO HAVE THE 50-FOOT BUFFER THERE. THE WAY WE'VE DRAWN OUR PLAN BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR SELLING HOMES AS WELL, RIGHT NOISE FROM 95. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GO BEYOND THAT 50 WHERE WE CAN. BUT THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE IS A 25-FOOT REAR SETBACK ON ALL THE HOUSES FOR ANY BUILDINGS, RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, ANY VERTICAL COMPONENTS. BUT THAT IS ALL PLANNED TO REMAIN WOODED, AND WE'LL PUT SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THERE AS WELL IF THERE'S ANY ABILITY TO SEE THROUGH THAT AND NOISE LEVELS, ET CETERA. >> THAT WAS MY INITIAL CONCERN WHEN I SAW THAT, BECAUSE IF YOU DRIVE I-16 HEADING TO LIKE COSTCO, YOU SEE ALL THOSE NEW NEIGHBORHOODS AND YOU JUST SEE RIGHT INTO THE BACKYARDS WITH ALL THE THAT'S GOOD THAT THEY'LL BE UNDISTURBED SETBACK ON THAT. LET'S SEE. I'VE GOT TO DO YOU HAVE SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THREE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS, RIGHT? OR IS IT GOING TO BE ONE? >> THAT'S CORRECT. NOW, THERE IS CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THESE. SO WE'VE GOT THAT CONNECTOR ROAD, THAT CONNECTOR ROAD, AND THIS ONE. SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO IF YOU LIVE IN THIS ONE, [00:20:01] YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DRIVE THROUGH THE OTHER ONES, OR YOU COULD TURN IN HERE AND COME HOME THAT WAY IF YOU LIVE KIND OF ON THIS CORNER, IF IT'S A LITTLE CLOSER. SO WE'RE PROVIDING CONNECTIVITY DOWN NOW, THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE ROAD IS ONE COMM STAND ALONE COMMUNITY BY ITSELF. THIS IS THE LARGEST COMMUNITY, BEING 600 UNITS. IT'S A STAND-ALONE COMMUNITY. >> ARE THEY GOING TO BE GATED OR IS THERE? >> IT'S UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME. THEY'RE CURRENTLY BEING MARKETED TO VARIOUS BUILDERS. IT DEPENDS ON WHO GETS IT AND WHAT THEIR THEME IS FOR THE COMMUNITY. I COULD SEE A POTENTIAL FOR A GATE MAYBE ON THIS SIDE. PERHAPS. BUT THAT'S UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME. >> WHEN THE BUILDER COMES IN, THAT'S WHEN IT WILL KIND OF DETERMINE WHAT THE AVERAGE COST OF THE HOME WOULD BE IN THOSE PARTICULARS. >> DEPENDING ON THEIR PRODUCT TYPES, SOME OF THE LOT SIZES MAY BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER DEPENDING ON THE BUILDER. >> THAT'S THE MOST THAT CAN BE BUILT, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT? >> CORRECT. THESE ARE CAPS. THERE'S A LITTLE FLUX IN THERE AS WELL. LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE'VE GOT 600 UNITS, WE MAY HAVE 580 ON OUR ACTUAL DIGITAL PLAN THAT WE'VE DRAWN. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER BUILDER BUYS IT, THAT WE'VE GOT A LITTLE ROOM TO ADJUST TO THERE. >> CONCERNING THE CEMETERY. BRIANA WAS GREAT TO ANSWER A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS I HAD ON THAT. DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S ANY HISTORIC ANYTHING AROUND THAT WITH ANY CIRCLE FEATURE. >> WELL, THERE IS A SURVEY OF IT, AND LIKE SHE SAID, THERE'S A 50-FOOT BUFFER AROUND IT. IT DID SHOW UP ON THE HISTORIC REGISTER. THIS IS WHY IT'S BEING PROTECTED. WE'VE ACCOMMODATED PARKING, AS SHE SAID, WE'VE GOT THE BUFFER HERE RIGHT HERE IN THE SOUTH END, AND WE'VE GOT I THINK FOUR PARKING SPACES THERE. RIGHT NOW IT'S OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WOODS. THERE'S NO WAY TO REALLY GET TO IT. IT'S NOT HAVING A LOT OF VISITORS, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT. >> THEN THE DEVELOPER WHO ENDS UP TAKING OVER, THEY'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE GRASS IN THERE, OR IS THAT. >> I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I KNOW THE CITY HAS AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S LOOKING INTO. >> THERE'S AN AGREEMENT, A MEMORANDUM, AND YES, WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE JASPER COUNTY 250 FOLKS ARE ALSO INVOLVED IN MAKING SURE THIS IS MAINTAINED AND PROVIDED. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE THAT IS ALL THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW. >> DON. IS YOUR MIC ON? SHOULD BE GREEN. DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT IS. >> IT IS NOW. I'VE BEEN USING THE WHOLE MORNING. I REALIZE IT WASN'T ON. WELL, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS BRANDON ASKED, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT LOT SIZE AND WHATEVER, SO YOU HELP WITH THAT. I HAVE ONE SILLY QUESTION. THE NAME EMERSON LAKE. IS THERE A PALMER INTERSECTION BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW I EMERSON, LAKE, AND PALMER. THANK YOU. EVERY TIME I HEAR, I LIKE EMERSON, LAKE, AND PALMER. >> ANYWAY, THE COMPLIMENT. >> YEAH, THERE YOU GO. THE AMENITY CENTER. IS THERE A TIMELINE FOR THAT? >> NOT A DEFINED TIMELINE, BUT I WILL SAY, THE MODEL COURTS WHERE YOU HAVE MODEL HOMES AND THE AMENITIES ARE AT THE TOP OF THE PRIORITY LIST WHEN YOU'RE DEVELOPING LOTS, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, AMENITIES SELL LOTS. TYPICALLY, IT'S GOING TO BE WITHIN THE FIRST TWO PHASES THAT THOSE GET BUILT, AND LIKELY IN THE INITIAL PHASE. LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, WITH THE 600 UNITS, THEY MAY BUILD 150 UNITS INITIALLY. BUT THAT AMENITY WILL BE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE BEGINNING. >> THESE COMMUNITY. BECAUSE I ACTUALLY LIVE OFF OF GARDEN. I KNOW THEY'RE BUILDING AN AMENITY CENTER, BUT THEY'VE BEEN BUILDING THE AMENITY CENTER FOR A WHILE, AND NOTHING STARTED. OTHER THAN PARKING SPACES. >> YES, SIR. THAT ONE HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT HISTORY ON WHY IT'S BEEN DELAYED A LITTLE BIT. >> NATURAL GAS ACCESS. THAT'S ALL PART OF DOMINION. >> YEAH, THERE WILL BE GAS. >> I BELIEVE THAT WAS ALL I HAD. THANK YOU. >> RICK, YES, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO ME THE OPEN SPACE OR GREEN SPACE THAT WE ARE STARTING TO SEE MORE AND MORE OF? CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS? >> YES. THERE'S ACTIVE OPEN SPACE, [00:25:03] AND THEN THERE'S THE PASSIVE OPEN SPACE. ACTIVE WOULD BE LIKE YOUR AMENITIES WHERE YOU CAN GO TO THE SWIMMING POOL OR THE PLAYGROUND, OR YOUR WALKING TRAILS, THINGS THAT PROMOTE ACTIVITIES. THEN YOUR PASSIVE OPEN SPACE ARE TYPICALLY LIKE GREEN AREAS. LIKE, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF POCKET PARKS AS YOU GO THROUGH THE MASTER PLANS. IT'S JUST A PLACE FOR KIDS TO GET OUT AND THROW THE FRISBEE OR THE FOOTBALL. JUST MORE PASSIVE THAT CAN HAVE MULTIPLE USES AND NOT REALLY PROGRAMMED. >> HOW DID WE GET THOSE PROPERTIES INTO WHAT IS CALLED OPEN SPACE? WAS IT PROVIDED THROUGH A CONSERVATION GROUP? HOW DID WE SET THAT PROPERTY ASIDE? >> ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS THERE? >> BOTH. >> THERE ARE TWO COMPONENTS THERE. THE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS ARE AREAS THAT ARE CONSERVED IN PERPETUITY, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY MANAGED BY LAND TRUST. THERE'S A 40-50 PAGE DOCUMENT THAT GOVERNS WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO IN THERE, LIKE YOU CAN HUNT AND FISH, BUT YOU CAN'T CLEAR TREES AND BUILD HOMES. SO THOSE ARE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS. THERE'S TWO CONSERVATION EASEMENTS, NOT ON THE PROPERTY FOR THESE IMPS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY? YES. BUT ONE OF THEM IS HERE TO THE NORTH. THIS WHOLE AREA IS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT. THEN TO THE SOUTH, IT WRAPS AROUND THE BACK OF THE GOLF COURSE. THERE'S A BIG CONSERVATION EASEMENT. DOWN HERE TO THE SOUTH. >> SO THOSE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS, I ASSUME THAT THEY WERE PURCHASED BY A CONSERVATION GROUP. >> I'M NOT SURE. AS FAR AS THE OWNERSHIPS, ACTUALLY, LK DEVELOPMENT OWNS THE SOUTHERN ONE, BUT THEY'RE MANAGED BY A LAND TRUST, THE NORTH AMERICAN LAND TRUST. THEY'RE THE STEWARDS THAT OVERSEE THE DOCUMENTS, MAKE VISITS TO THE SITE, DO YEARLY REPORTS, MAKING SURE THAT NOTHING'S OCCURRING THERE. >> WHERE DO THEY GET THEIR FUNDING FROM? >> THE NORTH AMERICAN LAND TRUST? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> I AM NOT CERTAIN. >> YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU WHAT I THINK? I THINK IT IS THEY'RE TAKING MONEY FROM THE TAXPAYER. THE TAXPAYERS ARE PUTTING THEY'RE USING THEIR MONEY, AND THEY'RE PURCHASING THESE PROPERTIES FOR GREEN SPACE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT. >> WE ALL HAVE OUR HOMEWORK. OKAY. IF THE TAXPAYER HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT GREEN SPACE. NOW I WANT TO KNOW WHO HAS ACCESS TO THAT GREEN SPACE IS RIGHT THERE. >> OR THE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS? >> FOR SOMEBODY TO USE THAT PROPERTY, AS YOU SAID. >> THESE ARE PRIVATE COMMUNITIES. >> THAT'S CORRECT. BUT THE TAXPAYER ACTUALLY PUT MONEY UP IN LIKE GREEN BELT, IS THAT CORRECT? >> NO. LET ME HAVE IT HERE. THE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS ARE ALREADY THERE, AND THEY'RE NOT PART OF THESE IMPS. THE OPEN SPACE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE IMPS IS THE DEVELOPER'S PROPERTY NOW, AND THAT'S NOT PART OF THE TRUST. DOES THAT HELP ANY? >> ANY LAND TRUST HERE WAS FUNDED BY SOMETHING. I'M TRYING TO GET YOU TO TELL US WHERE THAT FUNDING COMES FROM. >> WE'D HAVE TO DO SOME RESEARCH. THAT'S NOT PART OF THE IMP. WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO. >> IT IS VERY RELEVANT TO ME BECAUSE IF MONEY IS BEING TAKEN AND USED FROM A TAXPAYER, I THINK THE TAXPAYER NEEDS TO KNOW HOW MUCH AND WHEN, AND THEY NEED TO DECIDE WHAT PIECES NEED TO BE PUT INTO CONSERVATION. >> AS FAR AS THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT? IT'S NOT ON THESE IMP PROPERTIES, BUT WE WILL GET YOU THAT INFORMATION, SIR. >> IT'S NOT THE TAXPAYER. >> WELL, THE TAXPAYER AND JASPER COUNTY, IN THE LAST 1% SALES TAX, THAT 1% SALES TAX IS GOING TO TURN TO ABOUT 470 MILLION. THE LAST LINE ITEM WAS $97,000,000, APPROXIMATELY FROM THE TAXPAYER TO GO TO GREENBELT INITIATIVES. THEIR SOLE GOAL IS TO BUY UP CONSERVATION EASEMENTS FOR CONSERVATION. I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT THE TAXPAYER I VOTED 80% IN THIS COUNTY TO APPROVE THAT 1% SALES TAX, PUT $97,000,000 TO BE SPENT TO BUY CONSERVATION EASEMENTS. I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THEM. THESE WERE ALREADY DONE, BUT MONEY TAKEN FROM A OTHER TAXPAYER, NOT FROM THIS 1%, BECAUSE IT'S A VERY LARGE POOL. THESE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS, THIS GREEN BELT INITIATIVES IS VERY BROAD, [00:30:01] AND NO, YOU MIGHT NOT BE USING OUR MONEY. YOU MIGHT BE USING OUR NEIGHBOR'S MONEY TO DO IT, BUT YOU WILL USE OUR MONEY FOR SOMETHING ELSE. I WANT EVERYBODY HERE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS WORKING, AND I NEED YOU TO TIE EVERYBODY TO TIE THIS IN. BEFORE WE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS, I AT LEAST WANT EVERYBODY TO AGREE THAT THIS IS WHAT WE ARE SUPPORTING. >> WAIT A MINUTE. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THEN IS THAT THIS OPEN SPACE IS NOT PART OF THE EASEMENT THAT THERE'S NO TAXPAYER MONEY GOING INTO MAINTAINING THIS OPEN SPACE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >> WE CAN'T BUILD HOMES. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. TO YOUR POINT, YOU CAN FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION AND GET INTO THE DETAILS TO GIVE THAT TO YOU. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT SOUNDS LIKE AS JASPER COUNTY IS STARTING TO DEVELOP, AND THERE'S AREAS THAT CAN BE BOUGHT FOR CONSERVATION AREAS. IT ALLOWS LIMITATION ON DEVELOPMENT. >> WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN THE BLUEPRINT OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST NEW TO OUR. THIS IS NEW TO US, BUT IT'S NOT NEW TO OUR NEIGHBORS. SO WE KNOW HOW THAT WAS HANDLED, AND I WOULD ASSUME YOU ALL KNOW HOW THAT HAD BEEN HANDLED ALSO. I WANT THAT TO BE BROUGHT UP, AND THAT'S WHY I BRING IT UP NOW. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S FUNDING ALL OF THIS. >> UNDERSTOOD. THESE CONSERVATION AREAS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED CONSERVATION FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, SINCE THE INITIATIONS. >> THE INITIATIVE DIDN'T JUST START LAST WEEK. >> YEAH. THAT'S BEEN 2006, 2008, BUT WE CAN FIND SOME. >> BRIAN'S POINT EARLIER AS FAR AS A GOOD QUESTION. I THOSE AREAS HAVE BEEN CONVEYED, I THINK IT WAS DE CONVEYED. DONATION. PROBABLY. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT THE REFERENDUM FUNDING, OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU KNOW, HAS NOT COLLECTED ANY MONIES YET, RIGHT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. BUT RAY CHARLES CAN SEE THAT SOMEBODY DID WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW. OUR MONEY IS NOT BEING USED NOW. IT'S GOING INTO A VERY LARGE FUNDED POOL. OUR MONEY, YES, WILL BE ADDED OVER HERE. BUT AS THEY HAVE SAID, THEY HAVE NOW TARGETED OUR PORT ROYAL WATERSHED FOR THESE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS, AND THEY ARE NOT USING THE MONEY THAT THEY HAVE NOT GOTTEN BECAUSE THEY WILL GET THAT 470 OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS. SO THEY DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY AVAILABLE YET TO SPEND HERE. BUT WHEN THAT MONEY COMES IN, THEN THEY WILL DECIDE WHERE THAT MONEY GOES. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALL BEING VERY HONEST WITH EACH OTHER RIGHT NOW. >> IF YOU BRING UP THE POINT THAT OUR MONEY HASN'T BEEN SPENT, YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT OUR NEIGHBORS HAS HERE. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE A FACT. [OVERLAPPING] >> I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. YOU CAN DO THAT. >> WHAT WE DO IS AS YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY WAS APPROVED FOR 9,000 LOTS. IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THAT. PART OF THOSE 9,000 LOTS, THAT ALL THAT CONSERVATION AREA WAS BASICALLY TRANSFERRED IN A I DON'T KNOW ALL THE LOGISTICS THERE, BUT BASICALLY SAYING THAT WAS TRANSFERRED OVER INTO THAT CONSERVATION MANAGEMENT. NOTHING CAN BE DEVELOPED ON IT EVER. IT'S GOING TO STAY LIKE THAT FOREVER. THERE'S A CARE AND MAINTENANCE, WHICH I THINK IS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO, LIKE [OVERLAPPING]. >> NO, THE CARE AND MAINTENANCE IS BEING PUT ON THE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS THE LAND AND PAYS THE TAXES ON IT. THAT IS EVEN BEING DUMPED ON THE INDIVIDUAL LANDOWNER. YES. THAT'S CORRECT. >> AS FAR AS FUNDING AND MAINTAINING THAT INFORMATION, WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING THAT AS OWNERS OF THAT CONSERVATION AREA. THAT POCKET OF MONEY IS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THIS PROPERTY. >> I HAVE NOT DISAGREED WITH THAT. >> WE'LL JUST GET SOME MORE INFORMATION. WE'LL FIND OUT SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT. >> I RECOMMEND EVERYBODY ELSE DO THE SAME BECAUSE IN THIS COMMUNITY ALONE, WAS 97 MILLION OF YOUR MONEY, AND YOUR NEIGHBORS DID IT AT THE SAME TIME TO THE TUNE OF 50. THAT POOL IS EXTREMELY LARGE AND COMES FROM MANY SOURCES, AND WE NEED TO BE HONEST ABOUT WHAT GREEN SPACE IS BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD GIVE 50 ACRES OUT OF THE KINDNESS OF THEIR HEART TO CONSERVATION, WITHOUT RETURN. BECAUSE YOUR WHOLE DEAL HERE IS ROI, YOU'RE GOING TO CLUSTER THESE HOMES, AND YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO GENERATE AS MUCH PROFIT AS YOU CAN ON THESE HOMES. [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S GOOD. >> THERE'S NO CONSERVATION WHICH HAS BEEN PLANNED, AND THE OPEN SPACE HERE IS JUST COMMUNITY OPEN SPACES. >> I UNDERSTAND. BUT IF A DIME OF A TAXPAYER'S MONEY IS GOING TOWARDS IT, AND THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO IT. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT WON'T BE. >> THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO IT. >> AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, [OVERLAPPING]. >> OF COURSE. >> WHAT'S REQUIRED IS EACH HOME AS IT'S BUILT, THE CITY LOOKS AT ALL THAT, OBVIOUSLY, BEFORE THEY APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, [00:35:01] WHICH WAS APPROVED IN APRIL, AND THERE ARE IMPACT FEES FOR EVERY HOME THAT'S BUILT THAT GO TOWARD PARKS, LIBRARIES, TRAFFIC, ETC, SCHOOLS. THERE'S NOT A BURDEN ON THE TAXPAYER. THAT WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. >> GREEN SPACE, OPEN SPACE, GREEN BELT. YOU CAN LOOK WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM AND HOW THEY'RE SPENDING IT. WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE SPENDING ON IS THIS. YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT, AND THAT'S OKAY. WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> NOT NOW. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ON COMMUNITY ACCESS, ARE THE INTERNAL ACCESSES THAT YOU SAY FUTURE ACCESS? ARE THOSE GOING TO BE DEVELOPED? >> YES. >> THAT I CAN GO FROM HERE TO HERE AND SO ON, BECAUSE TWO OF THE PODS HAVE TWO ENTRANCES. ONE POD HAS ONE. THAT'S MY CONCERN THAT ONE PART ONLY HAS ONE ENTRANCE. >> YES. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA ON TIME-WISE, THIS ROAD IS BROKEN UP INTO [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE GETTING TO THIS. >> THIS ONE THAT ONLY HAS ONE. >> SEE THIS REGIONAL PUMP STATION HERE. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT IN, OBVIOUSLY, SO YOU CAN HAVE SEWER FOR THESE HOMES. >> THERE ARE GOING TO BE SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT? >> YES, SIR. >> THIS IS A QUESTION THAT JUST POPPED IN MY MIND. THIS IS NOT AGE RESTRICTED, CORRECT? THERE'D BE KIDS? YOU'RE PLANNING ON MAYBE A PLAYGROUND SOMEWHERE IN THERE. MY NEXT QUESTION, AND GOING THROUGH YOUR DOCUMENTS, THE AMY CO LETTER. STATES THAT IT'S DATED 2009, WHICH IS QUITE OLD. IT SAYS, THERE'S A MODIFICATION FOR 21-PLUS ACRES FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. YOU TOLD US IN AN EARLIER MEETING THAT THERE WAS NOT GOING TO BE ANY COMMERCIAL. TO ME, THAT AMY CO LETTER IS IRRELEVANT. >> JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS, IT WAS 5,000 ACRES. IT WAS A ONE LARGE PDD, THERE WAS ONE LARGE WETLAND PERMIT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S IN THERE IS DOWN HERE RIGHT AT 278 RIGHT BY THE ENTRANCE, AND THAT'S NOT OWNED BY THE APPLICANT. EVERYONE'S USING THAT SAME WETLAND PERMIT THAT COVERS ALL AREAS. BUT THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL. >> MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT I THINK AT THE INITIAL MEETING, WHEN I ASKED, WHAT ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL, YOU SAID IT WAS GONE. >> IT IS. FOR THEM AS A OWNER, THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AT ALL. >> THE COMMERCIAL AREA STILL EXISTS. >> YES. [OVERLAPPING] >> IS THAT CORRECT? >> PARCEL DOWN THERE THAT'S COMMERCIAL. THEN THERE'S SOME MIXED USE PARCELS DOWN HERE IT ALSO HAVE. [OVERLAPPING] >> IN ANOTHER PDD. NOT IN THE HILHEAD LAKES WEST PDD. >> CORRECT. >> BUT IT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY. IN THE WHOLE. [OVERLAPPING]. >> YES. >> I DON'T WANT TO BE A PAIN IN THE NECK [OVERLAPPING]. >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THEN LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, IT'S DATED 2003. I AGREE IT'S ONLY TWO YEARS OLD. BUT IN TWO YEARS, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT TRAFFIC STUDY, [OVERLAPPING] >> YES, SIR. WE'VE UPDATED THAT TRAFFIC STUDY AS WE'VE WENT ALONG WITH SUPPLEMENTS AS WE WENT THROUGH THE CITY. THE WHOLE ROAD A ALIGNMENT, IF YOU REMEMBER ANY OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. >> YEAH. >> OUR STUDY HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE DOT AT THIS TIME. >> THOSE UPDATES WEREN'T IN THE PACKAGE. IT'S OKAY. I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, I SAW THE DATE OF MAY OF 2009, AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, THERE'S BEEN A HECK OF A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT SINCE THEN. >> DEFINITELY NOT 2009. >> I MEAN, 2003. >> TWENTY-THREE. >> 2009 WAS THE AMY FULL LETTER. BEAR WITH ME. I'M OLD. [LAUGHTER]. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. [00:40:04] WE WILL OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC. THE ONLY THING I'LL ASK IS, WHAT, HANG ON, WHEN YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. >> ADDRESS THE MANAGEMENT. >> ADDRESS THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND ONLY TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL. I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE CAN GET HEATED WITH THE MOTION AND SO ON, BUT, BE RESPECTFUL TO THE DEVELOPER AND THE REST OF THE FOLKS HERE TODAY. COME ON UP, AS THEY SAY, COME ON DOWN. >> GOOD MORNING. >> MORNING. >> I AM JOYCE GERALD. I'M ACTUALLY CHAIRPERSON FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. MY FIRST QUESTION TO THIS DEVELOPER IS, ARE YOU SETTING ASIDE LAND FOR US TO BUILD A SCHOOL FOR ALL OF THESE CHILDREN THAT ARE GOING TO BE THERE? I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION BECAUSE OF TWO REASONS. WHEN HILTON LAKE WAS FIRST PRESENTED, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS. WE HAD AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THEM AND THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, FOR THEM TO SET ASIDE LAND FOR US TO HAVE COMMUNITY SCHOOL SO THE KIDS COULD GO TO THE SCHOOL RIGHT WHERE THEY LIVE. SOMEHOW OR THE OTHER, THAT AGREEMENT WAS THROWN OUT BY THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, AND IT BECAME A RETIREMENT VILLAGE. SAME THING HAPPENED AT MARGARITAVILLE. THIS IS GOING BACK. I'VE BEEN HERE FOREVER. LITERALLY, I AM THAT OLD. NOW WE'RE HAVING SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS, WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILT NEAR THE HARDEEVILLE CAMPUS. WE ARE ALREADY AT CAPACITY A, AND IT'S GOING TO GO FROM THE CEMETERY BY RDA BAPTIST WHERE I ATTEND CHURCH. ALL THE WAY ALONG, THEY'RE WRAPPING AROUND RIGHT TO THE SCHOOL. WHERE WILL THOSE CHILDREN GO TO SCHOOL? >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. >> THE QUESTION IS, ARE THEY SETTING ASIDE LAND FOR US TO PUT A SCHOOL FOR THE CHILDREN THAT ARE GOING TO BE LIVE IN [OVERLAPPING] FAMILY HOMES. THANK YOU. BECAUSE THEY GOT TO GO TO SCHOOL SOMEWHERE. >> THE SCHOOL SET ASIDES, ANY OF THOSE THINGS ARE COVERED UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. I DO NOT HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AT THIS POINT IN FRONT OF ME. I CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE YOU ALL THAT INFORMATION, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT A PARTY TO, WE'RE LOOKING RIGHT NOW AT JUST THE ZONING FOR THAT. BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY GET WITH MISS GERALD AND SCHOOL BOARD AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL THAT INFORMATION IS PROVIDED. MAYBE [OVERLAPPING]. >> JUST TO ADD ON. WHERE THE LOCATION OF THE SCHOOL SITE IS, AND I DON'T HAVE THE DA IN FRONT OF ME EITHER, BUT THAT WAS DONATED FOR THE PRIOR INITIAL APPROVED DA FOR THAT SITE. NOW, AS FAR AS ANY IMPROVEMENTS GO, MODIFICATIONS, I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL BOARD, BUT THE CITY AND THE CITY. BUT THAT PROPERTY WAS ALLOCATED FOR THAT. >> JUST ONE MORE THING TO ADD THERE TO AS I MENTIONED, THE IMPACT FEES, THERE IS A LINE ITEM FOR SCHOOLS. IT'S AROUND $500 PER UNIT OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. THOSE ARE BEING COLLECTED AND GIVEN TO THE CITY TO USE FOR SCHOOL IMPROVEMENTS. IN ADDITION, WE ARE COORDINATING WITH THE SCHOOL. AS WE WENT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THERE'S A MULTI-USE PATH THAT COMES OUT OF POT EYE HERE, AND WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING WITH JOHN CAMP CESI. HE'S THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR THAT DOES PROJECTS AT THE SCHOOL, AND WE'RE GOING TO CONNECT THAT PATHWAY INTO THE SCHOOL SO THAT THE RESIDENTS CAN WALK STRAIGHT TO SCHOOL WITHOUT GETTING OUT ON [OVERLAPPING]. >> THAT WAS MY OTHER QUESTION THAT I COULDN'T REMEMBER. YOU HAD PROPOSED THE ROUNDABOUT DOWN HERE. IS THAT GOING TO BE BUILT NOW? >> IT IS IN THE PROCESS. WE HAVE TO DO SURVEY DESIGN PERMIT. WE'RE STARTING THAT NOW. [OVERLAPPING]. >> I KNEW THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION [OVERLAPPING]. >> IT'S ATTACHED TO PDD AS WELL. >> ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC? REALLY? MOVING ON. WE HAVE TO VOTE ON EACH ONE SEPARATELY, EACH CONSIDERATION. I WILL ASK FOR MOTIONS ON THE FIRST PORTION. >> I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF [00:45:04] THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN FOR HILTON HEAD LAKES PODS H1. >> H2, AND 3. >> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR CONSIDERATION OF NATIONAL MASTER PLAN FOR PORTION OF PARTIAL 042-00-06-0045 TO BE KNOWN AS HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST PODS H AND F3. DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> I SECOND IT. >> ALL IN FAVOR. >> SECOND. >> OPPOSED. >> I OPPOSE FOR THE REASON THAT WE ARE RAPIDLY BRINGING IN THIS TYPE OF STUFF, BUT WE ARE NOT IMPROVING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. >> THERE WE GO. >> WE ARE ACTUALLY DYING. I VOTE NO. >> I HEARD ONE AYE. >> IF I HEARD RIGHT, I ONLY HEARD ONE AYE AND ONE NAY, IS THAT CORRECT? >> WELL, BRANDON MADE THE MOTION, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT HE IS ALSO AN EYE. >> WE DID NOT HEAR HIM [OVERLAPPING] >> I HAVE TWO AYES. >> THAT TWO IS DOESN'T GIVE ME A QUORUM, DOES IT? I ONLY VOTE WHEN IT'S A TIE. [OVERLAPPING] YOU GUYS PUT ME IN HIS POSITION LAST MONTH. I'M GOING TO VOTE AYE CONDITIONALLY, THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT MR. ZOO HAS ASKED. BECAUSE I THINK WHAT HE'S ASKING AND WHAT HE'S SAYING, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE ARE GROWING FAST. I THINK TRANSPARENCY IS A VITAL COMPONENT TO OUR FUTURE, SO [OVERLAPPING] >> CAN I PLEASE ADD TO THAT? YEAH. >> I'VE ONLY BEEN ON THIS BOARD APPROXIMATELY A YEAR AND I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THIS COME THROUGH. I DO NOT EVEN SEE OUR ROADS BEING REPAIRED WHEN THEY SHOULD NORMALLY BE REPAIRED. I SEE NO ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. I ONLY SEE MORE AND MORE AND MORE DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT SLOWING DOWN FOR OUR SAFETY. I JUST HAD PEOPLE DIE AT MY DRIVEWAY THIS WEEKEND BECAUSE WE CANNOT OR DO NOT WANT TO WAIT AND GET CAUGHT UP ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'RE GETTING READY TO DUMP ALL OF THIS TRAFFIC. THIS WILL NOT IMPROVE OUR TRAFFIC SITUATION TODAY. THIS CAN ONLY HURT US. ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T AGREE THAT OUR SAFETY IS IMPORTANT DOES NOT LIVE HERE AND I DO. THAT'S WHY, AS HARD AS IT IS FOR ME TO GO AGAINST THIS, I MUST STAND UP AND SAY, NO. >> OKAY. >> MR. CHAIRMAN. >> SURE. >> I WANT TO ASSURE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND MR. AZO, AND YOU THAT WE WILL HAVE THE INFORMATION AS THOROUGHLY VETTED AS WE CAN AND FROM THE CITY MANAGER AS WELL AS APPLICANTS BEFORE THE WORKSHOP ON THE NEXT COUNCIL. >> I THINK JUST MY OPINION, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A WORKSHOP. [OVERLAPPING] I WOULD ASK THAT YOU RECOMMEND THAT TO THE CITY MANAGER. >> WELL, THEY WILL GET THAT FROM YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, SIR. >> [LAUGHTER] I'M CONCERNED WITH TRAFFIC ALSO, AS YOU KNOW. I BRING THAT UP EVERY TIME. OR IF I DON'T, MR. FOREMAN WILL. BUT ANYWAY, MOVING ON. CONSIDERATION OF INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR A PORTION OF PARTIAL [CONSIDERATION OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR PARCELS 029-00-03-003, 029-00-03-004, 029-00-03-006, 030-00-02-009, 029-00-01-012, 030-00-02-015 & 030-00-02-015 TO BE KNOWN AS RIVERPORT PARKWAY NORTH & RIVERPORT NORTH PHASE 1 (+/- 1,074.90 ACRES) RIVERPORT PDD] 042-00-06-0045 TO BE KNOWN AS HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST PODS F1 AND F2. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I MAKE A MOTION I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN FOR HILTON HEAD LAKES PODS F1 AND F2, ALSO KNOWN AS PARTIAL 042-00-06-0045 TO BE KNOWN AS HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST PODS F1 AND F2. >> I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND. >> I MAKE A SECOND PENDING REVIEW. [00:50:03] >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> AYE. >> POST. >> AYE. >> I'LL VOTE AYE WITH THE CONSIDERATION OF THE SAME CONDITIONS THAT WE HAD ON THE FIRST ONE. >> MOVING ON. YOU WANT TO TAKE THE NEXT ONE? >> MIGHT AS WELL. I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN FOR HILTON HEAD LAKES POD G, ALSO KNOWN AS THE PORTION OF PARTIAL 042-00-06-045, TO BE KNOWN AS HILTON HEAD LAKES POD, WEST POD G. >> I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> I SECOND, PENDING REVIEW WITH THE WORKSHOP. >> I HAVE A MOTION. I HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED? >> I OPPOSE. >> I'LL VOTE AYE WITH THE SAME CONDITIONS. >> THAT WAS DIFFICULT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WE'LL CERTAINLY NOTIFY ON THE NEXT MEETING OF THIS TO ALL AND EVERYONE INVOLVED. WE'LL MAKE A NOTIFICATION TO WHEN THE NEXT MEETING IS TO EVERYONE INVOLVED. >> MOVING ON. WE HAVE CONSIDERATION OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR PARCEL 029-00-03-003 AND 029-00-03-004, 029-00-03-006, 030-00-02-009, 029-00-01-012, 030-00- 02-015, AND 030-00-02-015 TO BE KNOWN AS RIVERPORT PATHWAY NORTH AND RIVERPORT NORTH PHASE 1. >> GOOD JOB. ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2009, MOST RECENTLY AMENDED IN 2023. PHASES 1 AND 2 ARE DOWN OFF OF 17 AND NEARLY COMPLETE. PHASE 3, WHICH CONNECTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE TO EXIT 3, WAS APPROVED IN 2024. HERE WE HAVE THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN SHOWING THE ACCESS POINTS TO CHURCH ROAD. THIS ONE'S PROPOSED EMS ONLY, ACCESS POINT ON RIVERPORT PARKWAY IN THESE TWO LOCATIONS. AS YOU CAN SEE, PURRYSBURG ROAD, AND SORRY FOR THE LOCALS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE ALL THEIR LIFE, THAT AT THAT LOWER HOME. PETERSBURG? I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR 20 YEARS. THIS IS CURRENTLY UNPAVED AND IT ENDS JUST AFTER MILLSTONE LANDING. YOU SEE ON THIS, THE EMS ACCESS IS PROPOSED AT BEACHWOOD DRIVE, AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE ENCROACHMENTS FROM THE ADJACENT MOBILE HOME PARK IN THESE PICTURES. THE TOTAL PROPERTY IS 1074.9 ACRES. THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A 1.75 MILE TWO-LANE UNDIVIDED EXTENSION OF RIVERPORT PARKWAY TO CONNECT TO EXIT 3 AND 1,900 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT DOES RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY INCREASE COLLABORATION WITH OTHER AGENCIES. THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN COORDINATED WITH THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, JASPER COUNTY, FEDERAL HIGHWAY SCDOT FOR EXIT 3 AND RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE. EXISTING OUT PARCELS, THEIR DRIVEWAY ACCESS WILL BE MAINTAINED WITH THIS PROJECT. AND AGAIN, PHASE 1 HAS THE ACCESS POINTS I JUST WENT OVER. THE TIA RECOMMENDS A ROUNDABOUT OR SIGNALIZATION OF US21 AND CHURCH ROAD INTERSECTION AFTER 250 UNITS. THE APPLICANT REQUESTED THAT INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS BE ALLOWED AFTER UP TO 500 UNITS. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE REQUEST WITH ADMINISTRATION AND BASED ON THE TIMING OF PERMITTING, SITE PREPARATION, AND UTILITY INSTALLATION THAT ARE LIKELY TO ALIGN WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE PARKWAY IN CONNECTION TO EXIT 3, AS WELL AS THE ANTICIPATION THAT THE PARKWAY WILL BE ON LINE BY THE TIME OF THE 250TH UNIT RECEIVING A CO. BASED ON THOSE CONDITIONS, STAFF HAS DETERMINED THIS REQUEST IS VIABLE, INCLUDING COORDINATION WITH OUTSIDE AGENCIES. YOU HAVE THE OPEN SPACE AND CONNECTIVITY PLAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT SIDEWALKS ARE PLANNED THROUGHOUT THAT RED DOT, THERE'S TWO LARGE AMENITY CAMPUSES, AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME GREEN POCKET PARKS SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. [00:55:02] THERE IS 51.13 TOTAL PROPOSED OPEN SPACE WITH 8.78 ACTIVE. THAT INCLUDES TWO AMENITY AREAS WITH THE POCKET PARKS, AND AGAIN, THE SIDEWALKS. THE BUFFER IS A 50-FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER, BUT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL BUFFERS ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ALONG BEACHWOOD DRIVE AND THAT MOBILE HOME PARK TO BE PROPOSED TO BE 70-88 FEET TO MAINTAIN AN AT LEAST 50-FOOT OF UNDISTURBED BUFFER BETWEEN THE EXISTING ENCROACHMENTS IN THIS PROPERTY. THERE'S ALSO A FENCE PROPOSED ALONG RIVERPORT PARKWAY. THIS IS THE FIRST STEP. WE'RE HERE FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. THERE WILL LIKELY BE A CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP FOLLOWED BY THEIR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL, AND IF APPROVED, IT GOES TO SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMITTING THROUGH STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE. BASED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE RIVERPORT PDD, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THERE'S A SECTION THAT'S LAND USE PARCEL DELINEATIONS AND USES. WE JUST WANT THAT TO BE UPDATED TO REMOVE THE USES THAT ARE NOT PROPOSED IN THIS APPLICATION. IF THEY DO COME BACK WITH ANY OF THOSE OTHER COMMERCIAL USES, THEY WOULD NEED TO AMEND THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN BECAUSE THIS ONE ONLY ILLUSTRATES SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THEN THE TRAFFIC AND MITIGATION BE UPDATED TO ALLOW UP TO 500 UNITS TO BE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS OF 321 AND CHURCH ROAD. AT THIS TIME, I'LL INVITE THE APPLICANTS REPRESENTATIVES TO COME UP. FELIPE? >> GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. MY NAME IS FELIPE TOLEDO WITH THOMAS & HUTTON. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER. THEY ARE ALSO PRESENT IN THE ROOM. THE PROJECT WE'RE AT HAND HERE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT ALL THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE IS BEING PUT UP FRONT BEFORE ANY DEVELOPMENT START OCCURRING. THIS IS GOING TO START CONSTRUCTING AND GETTING TO THE 250 UNITS, BUT THIS PROJECT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE, BUT IT HAS A COMPONENT OF FUNDING BY THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK, BY THE CITY, BY THE COUNTY, AND PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. THIS PROJECT IS ALREADY THROUGH ADDING PROCESS, DESIGN PROCESS, AND IT'S CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH PERMITTING PROCESS TO THE CITY. THIS IS PART OF THE OVERALL CONNECTIVITY MASTER PLAN FOR THE REAR PORT TRACK THAT ALSO INCLUDES EXIT 3 AND PARKWAY SOUTH. TO ADD ON TO THAT, THERE ARE 1,900 UNITS ON THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE MENTIONED THE ACCESS POINTS IN THE FIRST PARK IS THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO GROW TOWARDS THE WEST, AND THAT'S DRIVEN BECAUSE TODAY THERE'S UTILITIES AVAILABLE ON CHURCH STREET TO START AND SPUR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. EVENTUALLY, THIS WILL HAVE FOR FIRST PHASE ONE PUMP STATION HERE, AND THERE WILL BE ANOTHER MASTER PUMP STATION HERE. IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT BEAUFORT-JASPER TREATMENT PLANT IS LOCATED OVER HERE. ALSO, THERE IS A 36-INCH WATER MAIN THAT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH PURRYSBURG ROAD AND FUTURE PARKWAY NORTH THAT FEEDS FROM THE INTAKE ALL THE BEAUFORT-JASPER SYSTEMS WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE FIT. AS KATIE MENTIONED, THERE IS IMPROVEMENTS IN 321 AND CHURCH STREET THAT ARE TRIGGERED AT THE 250 PER THE TIA, BUT ANTICIPATION IS THAT THIS WILL BE IN PLACE AT THE TIME THOSE 250 ARE THERE, SO THAT WILL HELP TO DELAY A LITTLE BIT TO ACQUIRE MORE CAPITAL THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT FEES TO FUNNEL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I DON'T KNOW, KATIE, YOU MENTIONED, THE CITY IS WORKING ON IMPROVEMENTS ON THE 321 AND HIGHWAY 17. THERE'S ALREADY A TIA, A DESIGN IN PLACE, AND THAT WILL IMPROVE THAT INTERSECTION WHERE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC WILL DUMP ON. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> I'M GOING TO START WITH MR. KENZIE. >> GOOD MORNING. THE TRAFFIC IMPACT MITIGATION. I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU REQUESTED 500 UNITS BEFORE WOULD BE DONE OR? >> THE TOTAL UNITS IS 1,900. TO SUPPORT THAT, THERE WILL HAVE TO BE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE CITY IS WORKING ON 321 17, 321 AT CHURCH STREET, AND THE PARKWAY NORTH. THEN THE 250 AND THE 500 NUMBERS ARE THE TRIGGERS. PER THE TIA, THE TRIGGER IS 250 DUS. [01:00:02] IF NOTHING HAPPENS WITH THE RIVERPORT PARKWAY, THAT INTERSECTION NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED. BUT GIVEN THAT THIS WILL BE IN PLACE AT THE TIME WE EXPECT TO REACH THOSE 250, GIVEN THAT IT TAKES ABOUT TWO YEARS FROM NOW, AND WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON STARTING CONSTRUCTION OF PARKWAY AT THE END OF JULY, THAT WILL ALLOW TO CREATE THAT EXTRA 250 TO DELAY TO 200 COS, THE COMPLETION OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ON 321 AND CHURCH ROAD. IT'S NOT VISIBLE BECAUSE YOU GOT TO ZOOM IN, BUT IT'S OVER HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE. >> YOU HAD A ZOOM IN OF IT. >> SORRY. >> THIS INTERSECTION. IF WE CONTINUE THE ROAD TO HERE, THE DEVELOPMENT IS AROUND THIS AREA HERE. >> THE WORK IS GOING TO BE DONE IS CONTINUATION OF CHURCH ROAD OR? >> IT'S GOING TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT OF THIS VIA SIGNALIZATION OR A ROUNDABOUT. >> WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT. CHURCH ROAD, IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE, IT'S SAD. I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO A REBUILD HERE WHEN YOU GET TO THE 250 UNITS, BUT AS YOU START BUILDING, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO START USING THAT ROAD. WOULD YOU CONSIDER, IN THE MEANTIME, MAYBE RESURFACING THAT ROAD? I TOLD YOU IT WAS GOING TO BE TOUGH. >> FAIR QUESTION. ONE, IT'S NOT OUR ROAD TO OWN. IT'S A DOT OWNERSHIP, AND THEY HAVE LEVELS OF QUALITY. THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION AND A DISCUSSION WITH DOT ON WHETHER THEY WANT TO TAKE THE ENTER THE SYSTEM WITH ANY RESURFACING REQUIREMENTS. TO YOUR POINT, AGAIN, STARTING TO USE THE ROAD, THERE WILL BE SOME USES OF THE ROAD. FIRST HOUSE WILL COME OUT OF THE GROUND OR BE OCCUPIED UNTIL 2027 ANYWAY. >> I'M JUST ASKING, WOULD THE DEVELOPER CONSIDER THAT? >> WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE THE PROPOSED MAIN INTERSECTION, AND THERE WILL BE SOME RESURFACING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. >> SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, DON. >> THE ACCESS POINT, THERE WILL BE A PROPER TURN LANE. THERE WILL BE A WIDENING TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE TURNS. >> THAT WAS WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS. WHAT EXACTLY ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE MADE ALONG THERE? >> YOU GO TO THE OVERALL MASTER. >> THE OTHER MAP. >> NO, GO FORWARD. >> UP HERE, THAT ACCESS POINT IS GOING TO HAVE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ALLOW MOVEMENTS INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AND OUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND ALLOWING FOR THROUGH TRAFFIC TO CHURCH STREET. THAT WAY, THERE WILL NOT BE A BACKING UP OF TRAFFIC JUST BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS WANT TO TURN INTO THE ROAD. >> A LEFT TURN LANE? >> A RIGHT TURN. >> ALSO IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS MADE AN EMS ONLY. THIS GOES THROUGH A EXISTING TRAILER PARK, AND WE WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THAT, AND YOU UNDERSTAND THAT FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD THIS SIZE, CARRYING THAT TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE MAY NOT BE THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. WE PROPOSE THAT WE'D TO ENTER SO FIRE AND EMS CAN GO THROUGH IT WITH NO PROBLEM. >> DO WE KNOW, I KNOW IT'S A CRAZY QUESTION, WHEN EXIT 3 IS GOING TO BE ACCESSIBLE FROM THAT SIDE? >> CURRENTLY, THE PERIOD OF EXIT 3 THREE AND I995 ARE IN THE LATER STAGES OF THE BIDDING. THE CURRENT SCHEDULE IS THAT THE FIVE-YEAR PROJECT AND CURRENTLY EXIT 3 WILL FLOAT. IT'S A 30-MONTH PROJECT, AND IT WILL FLOW WITHIN THAT FIVE-YEAR TIME FRAME, BUT THE SCHEDULE HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT AWARDED THE PROJECT. DOT HAVE GAVE THE BIDDERS THE FLEXIBILITY TO STACK ALL THOSE PROJECTS ON EXIT 3, EXIT 5, AND EXIT 8 IMPROVEMENTS THAT ALL TAKE ABOUT THAT TIME FRAME THAT ARE SCHEDULED THROUGHOUT THOSE FIVE YEARS. >> THE FIRST 500 UNITS, WHEN WOULD THEY BE DONE? MY CONCERN IS, YOU'VE GOT ONE PRIMARY ACCESS INTO THAT SECTION, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 500 UNITS OR MORE. THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS GOING TO BE CRAZY. >> THE 500 UNITS WON'T BE COMPLETED BEFORE EXIT 3 IS COMPLETED. THAT'S THE POINT. YOU ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT THE TIMING OF EXIT 3? STATE RECEIVED UPDATED BIDS FOR I995, SO THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THE ABSORPTION OF THAT INFORMATION, [01:05:01] AND THEY'RE GOING TO NEGOTIATE AND WORK WITH THE CONTRACTORS ON TRYING TO EXPEDITE SCHEDULES FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THESE INTERCHANGES OPENING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THE CITY IS ALSO INVOLVED IN THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL AS A DEVELOPMENT ENTITY, AN APPLICANT, BECAUSE THEY ARE PROVIDING FUNDING FOR THAT. IT'S IN EVERYBODY'S BEST INTEREST TO OPEN IT UP SOONER. WE JUST DON'T HAVE AN EXACT TIME. BUT KNOWING NOW TYPICAL ABSORPTION RATES OF 50-100 UNITS A YEAR, AND IF THE FIRST ONE REALLY DOESN'T BECOME OCCUPIED FOR AS FAR AS A HOUSING UNIT UNTIL 2027, 2028, THEN YOU 200, 250 MAYBE UNLESS EXIT 3 IS SPED UP, WHICH IT MAY VERY WELL BE. I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT TIME FRAME, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WILL GO TO 500 REALLY. >> I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. >> CORRECT. >> SAME QUESTION AS BEFORE. I NOW SEE THAT WE HAVE MOVED OPEN SPACE TO 51% OF THE PROJECT, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. EVEN IF YOU ANALYZE THE PDD BUFFER AND WHAT TO COUNT THAT IN THE MATH, YOU ARE AT 49%. WE ARE ABOVE THE 25% REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY. >> I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND WHEN WE START STUDYING THIS THOROUGHLY WHY THEY'RE SETTING 51% TO CONSERVATION ASIDE. I'M NOT GOING TO DRILL DOWN ON THAT RIGHT NOW. I THINK IT'S YOUR JOB TO GET INFORMED OF WHY THEY ARE SETTING THIS MUCH LAND ASIDE FOR CONSERVATION. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY HELPS THEM MOVE THEIR PROJECT FORWARD, AND IT ALSO TELLS YOU HOW. PAY ATTENTION TO THAT, NUMBER ONE. I'VE ALSO HEARD THE BUILDER SAY THAT THE ROADS ARE NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. >> NO. >> WHAT THAT MEANS IS, NOW IT HAS BECOME MY RESPONSIBILITY TO JUST DECIDE TO SLOW THIS DOWN UNTIL I SEE THOSE ROADS BUILT FIRST, BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE US SUFFER BECAUSE OF THIS. WE CAN SLOW DOWN. THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO MOVE HERE LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE RIGHT NOW, AND THEY'RE SAFE. WHEN WE GET IT READY FOR THEM, THEN THEY CAN COME HERE. WE SHOULD NOT BE IN ANY HURRY TO BRING ALL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR SAFETY, THE ONES THAT LIVE HERE EVERYDAY. THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE UP. >> PERFECT I HEARD ABOUT EXIT 3, FIVE-YEAR TIMELINE. YOU SAID THAT THE RIVERPORT PARKWAY, WHICH IS THE OLD PURRYSBURG, CORRECT? >> YES, SIR. >> WHEN EXACTLY ARE YOU STARTING CONSTRUCTION ON THAT ROAD? >> ON THE SOUTH? >> ON THE PARKWAY. THE PARKWAY IN GENERAL. >> RIVERPORT PARKWAY, WE NORMALLY REFER TO THEM AS NORTH AND SOUTH. SOUTH PORTION IS CURRENTLY ON THE LATER STAGES OF BIDDING, AND IT'S CURRENTLY SCHEDULED TO START CONSTRUCTION LATE JUNE. >> NOW, THE SOUTH PORTION IS SOUTH OF 95? >> SOUTH OF 95. >> I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT SOUTH OF 95. >> FOR THE NORTH, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, AS BEING TODAY TO GET APPROVAL ON THE IMP IS ONE OF THE STEPS FOR GETTING APPROVAL THROUGH A STAFF FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT PERMIT. WE HAVE CURRENTLY OBTAINED AND IN THE PROCESS OF FINALIZING ALSO PERMITS FOR JASPER, STATE, CSX FOR THAT PROJECT. IT IS ANTICIPATED TO START SOMEWHERE LATER IN JULY WITH CONSTRUCTION OF THAT AND HAVE AN ANTICIPATING SCHEDULE OF 24 MONTHS OF CONSTRUCTION. >> THEN YOU'RE STARTING 95 UP? >> RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S ANTICIPATED TO START EXTENDING FROM THIS SIDE. JUST SO YOU KNOW THERE'S A CSX CROSSING THAT INVOLVES A BRIDGE. THAT'S A LONG LEAD ITEM. ALSO, THIS [INAUDIBLE] HAS SOME RELOCATION OF THE 36-INCH WATER MAIN THAT HAS TO DO IN THE WINTERTIME FOR JASPER. WE'RE ANTICIPATED TO START FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH GIVEN THE SCALE OF THE ITEMS OF CONSTRUCTION. >> AS FAR AS THE INTERCHANGE RIGHT THERE AT CHURCH ROAD, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A HUGE CONCERN BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY A BAD INTERSECTION THE WAY THE ANGLES AND EVERYTHING ARE. >> SORRY, YOU WERE GOING BACK. >> YEAH. IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE INTERSECTION ON CHURCH ROAD. >> CHURCH ROAD INTERSECTION. >> YES. >> THERE WE ARE. >> WHO GETS THE FINAL DECISION ON IF IT'S A ROUNDABOUT OR A SIGNAL? >> DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. >> THERE'S NO LOCAL INPUT? >> THERE'LL BE LOCAL COORDINATION BECAUSE THAT AREA IS IN THE COUNTY, SO IT'S GOING TO BE DOT, COUNTY, CITY DISCUSSIONS. >> THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEGUN. >> THAT'S RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S IN FAVOR OF A ROUNDABOUT? >> THE THRESHOLDS OF THE DOT MAKES YOU INVESTIGATE THAT AS A FIRST OPTION FOR THAT SIGNAL. [01:10:03] >> GOT YOU. >> THAT'S JUST THEIR PROCESS. >> CAN I COMMENT? >> IS THERE ANY TYPE OF RENDERINGS OF WHAT THAT WILL EVEN LOOK LIKE? ARE THEY GOING TO TRY TO MOVE CHURCH ROAD THE RIGHT PORTION DOWN SOME TO REALIGN IT? ARE THEY GOING TO TRY TO TIE IN STINEY ROAD? >> WE DON'T HAVE THE CONCEPT WITH US. THERE WAS A PRIOR STUDY OF THIS, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE TIMING OF IT, FIVE YEARS AGO. IT LOOKED AT THAT OPTION AS A ROUNDABOUT. >> BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DUMP ALL THAT TRAFFIC ONTO CHURCH ROAD, INTO DOWNTOWN HARDEEVILLE, LEFT OR RIGHT. I REMEMBER WHEN I NEVER HAD TO WAIT THROUGH A LIGHT TO GET TO MY HOUSE, AND NOW OUR ONE STOP LIGHT. >> KEEP IN MIND, THE WHOLE CENTER POINT OF RIVERPORT IN TOTALITY IS EXIT 3. THAT'S WHERE THIS TRAFFIC WILL BE DIRECTED TO BECAUSE THAT WILL BE THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, WHICH IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN, WHICH IS WHY ALL THE FUNDING HAS BEEN PUSHED INTO THAT OCCURRING. THAT IS PART OF THIS APPROVAL. AGAIN, REMEMBER, THIS IS THE NORTH PARKWAY, WHICH IS THE TERMINUS FOR THE INTERCHANGE. >> THE STUDY IS SAYING THAT MOST OF THESE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO HIT THAT PARKWAY TO GO TO EXIT 3 TO GO ONTO THEIR JOBS. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. >> IS THAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS? >> THERE WAS A BROADER STUDY CARRIED OUT TO JUSTIFY THE INTERCHANGE. AS PART OF DIALING IN THROUGH THE IMP PROCESS, AND WORKING WITH THE CITY, WE DIALED DOWN AND LOOKED AT FARTHER OTHER INTERSECTIONS TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS PROGRESSIVELY WILL MOVE THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT UNTIL EXIT 3 IS OPERATIONAL AND ABSORB ALL THAT TRAFFIC LOAD. >> BRANA. >> JUST FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S INFORMATION AND CLARIFICATION. YOUR QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW ABOUT TRAFFIC COMING INTO DOWNTOWN, ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS THAT STAFF ASKED. WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS AND KNOW THAT WHETHER THE DESIGN, THE FUNDING, HOW THINGS HAPPEN IN TIMING, THE CITY WILL BE VERY INVOLVED WITH AND THE STAFFING COUNCIL. >> IT WOULD ALL BECOME PART OF THE DOWNTOWN. >> ABSOLUTELY. YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY IT, YOU'VE HEARD KATIE SAY IT, YOU'VE HEARD THE MAYOR SAY IT, WHYTE HARDEE BOULEVARD ACROSS THE BOARD. WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IMPROVING THAT 32117 INTERSECTION AT ALL COST AND MOVE FORWARD. WE ARE GETTING SOME COMPLAINTS THAT THERE'S BACKGROUND NOISE, SO IF PEOPLE COULD KEEP IT DOWN, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING ONLINE CAN'T ALWAYS HEAR. NO COMPLAINTS ABOUT THEM DISCUSSING, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY CAN HEAR. THANK YOU. >> [BACKGROUND] ANYTHING ELSE? >> NOT AT THIS TIME. >> I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THE ALIGNMENT AT STINEY ROAD WILL HELP A LITTLE BIT, BUT TO THINK THAT ALL THE TRAFFIC WILL ALWAYS GO TO EXIT 3 IS A LITTLE MISLEADING BECAUSE ANYBODY THAT LIVES IN HARDEEVILLE KNOWS THAT EVERY TIME WE HAVE A HOLIDAY, LORD FORBID, AN ACCIDENT ON 95 THAT HAPPENS A LOT, ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC WILL DECIDE TO DUMP ON EXIT 3 THROUGH THESE COMMUNITIES AND HUNT THEIR WAY TO 321 AND TRY TO ATTEMPT TO GO AND GET TO EXIT 33 OR BEYOND. IT'S MISLEADING TO SAY THAT IT WILL NOT GO ONE WAY. >> NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SAID OR INTENDED TO MEAN. >> THAT'S THE WAY I TOOK IT. >> I APOLOGIZE. WE'RE NOT A OBLIVIOUS TO THAT FACT, AND YOU'RE RIGHT. >> I KNOW THAT. >> IT HAPPENS. THERE'S NO DOUBT. WE'RE NOT SHYING AWAY FROM THAT, WHICH IS WHY THERE IS THE INCLUSION OF THIS IMPROVEMENT. >> YOU ARE ONE OF THE MOST INTELLIGENT PEOPLE I'VE MET. >> [OVERLAPPING] FAITH IN ME. >> NO. I ONLY SAY THAT YOU'RE INTELLIGENT FOR A REASON. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> CAN I TAKE A MOMENT THERE TO CLARIFY? > YES. >> JUST TO BE FRANK ABOUT IT. I CAN SEE YOUR OPINION ON THINGS, AND I DID WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING BECAUSE YOU RAISED IT DURING THE PRIOR DISCUSSION. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THERE ARE A FEW CONSERVATION EASEMENT AREAS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS IMP AREA. THEY WILL BE PART OF RIVERPORT. THEY WERE PART OF A NEGOTIATED STRUCTURED AGREEMENT FOR THE PERMIT APPROVAL FOR THE INTERCHANGE AND ALL THAT, AND THERE IS ZERO TAX DOLLARS BEING PUT TOWARDS THAT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, AND I'M NOT GOING TO DISCLOSE AND I CAN'T DISCLOSE IT, THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF PRIVATE FUNDING BEING PAID INTO THAT TO HELP FUND THOSE AND MAINTAIN THOSE. >> THAT 51% BEING PUT UP IS NOT BEING DONE OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF EVERYBODY'S HEART. >> IT'S A REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY. >> THAT'S RIGHT, BUT THAT MONEY IS COMING FROM SOMEWHERE, [01:15:02] AND I KNOW WHERE A LARGE PORTION OF IT COMES FROM. I KNOW WHAT WE SPENT IT, AND I KNOW WHAT GREEN BELT INITIATIVES. IN THEIR CHARTER, THEY TELL YOU WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. THEY WANT TO BUY CONSERVATION LAND, THEY TELL YOU WHAT FOR. THEN WE GIVE THEM A BLANK CHECK AND SAY, DO WITH IT WHAT YOU WANT. I HAVE CONCERNS. NOW, PRIOR TO RECENT TIMES, YOU WOULD NOT SEE 51% OF THIS PROPERTY BEING PUT UP INTO CONSERVATION. ALL I POINT OUT IS EVERYBODY NEEDS TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHY THIS IS BEING DONE. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. YOU CAN STUDY IT FOR YOURSELF. DON'T BE MAD AT ME. IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU. YOU JUST HAVE TO READ IT. >> TO CLARIFY, THERE'S DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OPEN SPACE AND CONSERVATION. >> I'LL FALL BACK TO WE BOTH KNOW THAT. WE BOTH KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS CORRECT, BUT WE KNOW THAT WE JUST SPENT $97 MILLION. WE DID NOT REALLY KNOW WE WERE VOTING ON IT. IT WAS SLIPPED IN AT THE BOTTOM OF A VERY LARGE PACKAGE. 90% OF THE PEOPLE THAT WALKED INTO JASPER COUNTY DID NOT KNOW THEY WERE GIVING $97 MILLION TO GREEN BELT INITIATIVES, AND I BELIEVE MANY OTHER COUNTIES DID THE SAME THING AND ARE CONTINUING TO DO THE SAME THING. NOW THAT I SEE ALL THE CONSERVATION PROPERTY BEING LISTED HERE, THAT'S IMPORTANT. I'M TRYING TO TIE THE PIECES TOGETHER AS TO WHY. IF EVERYBODY HERE WANTS TO GIVE HALF OF THIS MONEY TO CONSERVATION, THAT'S FINE. I WILL GET BEHIND YOU 120%. IF THAT WAS SO GOOD, THAT $97 MILLION WAS SO GOOD, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE HIDDEN IT IN THE BOTTOM OF SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE DID NOT KNOW WHAT THEY WERE VOTING ON, BUT LET'S TAKE IT OUT, PUT IT TO VOTE, AND THIS SHOULD SERVE AS A REMINDER TO OTHER COUNTIES AND COMMUNITIES THAT WHAT'S GOING ON IS NOT WHAT IT SEEMS. I KNOW CONSERVATION IS A GREAT THING. EVERY MAN HAS A HEART, THIS IS NOT WHAT IT SEEMS. PLEASE PAY ATTENTION. I'M MOVING ON. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, RICK. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, AND THEN I HAVE A COMMENT. I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO STOP HERE FOR NOW, BUT DO YOU PLAN ON CONTINUING IMPROVEMENTS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE INTERSECTION? >> NO. THAT ROAD HAS BEEN IMPROVED NOT IN FAR DISTANT TIME. THESE IMPROVEMENTS TIE BACK TO WHAT IS THE END OF THE [INAUDIBLE]. THAT'S HOW [INAUDIBLE] IDENTIFIES THE PROJECT FUNDED, AGAIN, IN CONJUNCTION WITH CITY, COUNTY, AND PRIVATE DEVELOPERS, THE SCOPE HAS BEEN DELINEATED TO BE AT THE END OF THE [INAUDIBLE] >> WHY I ASKED THAT BECAUSE I WAS AT THE INITIAL CONCEPT MEETING WITH YOU AND THE MAYOR AND I THINK RICK WAS THERE AND SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE, THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE IMPROVEMENT AT THAT INTERSECTION, AS WELL AS THE ROUNDABOUT HERE. ALL OF THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE IMPROVEMENTS TO CHURCH ROAD, AS WELL AS THE PARKWAY, THAT'S YOUR NICKEL? >> YEAH. RIVERPORT IS RELATED TO THE INTERCHANGE. WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT CHURCH ROAD AND 321. THAT'S FUNDED WITH THE CONTRIBUTION FEES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT. INSTALLATION OF THE TURN LANE AND WIDENING OF CHURCH STREET TO MAKE THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN, THAT'S ON THE DEVELOPER. >> MY COMMENT WAS, FROM THAT CONCEPT MEETING THAT WE HAD, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION YOU BROUGHT FORTH. THIS IS A WIN-WIN FOR THE CITY REALLY, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT. THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THIS GENTLEMAN AND HIS COMPANY IS WILLING TO SPEND TO BUILD THAT PARKWAY AND THE IMPROVEMENTS TO CHURCH ROAD, THINGS THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO DO, I COMMEND YOU. I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT. I DO HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE TRAFFIC ON CHURCH ROAD, AND I'VE EXPRESSED THOSE. I DO HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE WITH THIS UP HERE TO THE CEMETERIES AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THAT MEETING. I HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS. NOW PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL ASK, DOES ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE COMMENTS? WELCOME BACK. >> RIGHT NOW CHURCH ROAD HAS TWO LANES. ONE GOING UP, ONE GOING DOWN, [PUBLIC COMMENT] AND BOTH SIDES ARE DITCHES. WHEN IT RAINS, CHURCH ROAD FLOODS. THE WHOLE THING STARTS AT MY GATE. [01:20:02] IT HAS AN INCLINE, AND WE KNOW ABOUT THE VISCOSITY OF WATER, THAT'S A SCIENTIFIC TERM, BUT THAT'S A FACT. THE INCLINE STOPS AT MY FRONT GATE. EVERY TIME IT RAINS LIKE IT'S BEEN RAINING, ALL THE PINE STRAW, ALL THE WOOD THAT THE STATE LEAVES UP THERE IN CHURCH ROAD STOPS AT MY GATE. SOMEONE ALMOST DIED ONE NIGHT THERE. HERE'S THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE WITH THIS. WE HAVE A TRAILER PARK HAS A BOATLOAD OF KIDS THAT GO TO JASPER COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT. THE BUSES STOP HEADING TOWARDS THE CEMETERY ON THAT SIDE. THOSE CHILDREN CROSS THE STREET TO GO HOME. RIGHT NO, I HAVE SEEN MISSED ACCIDENTS WITH THE TRUCKS, 18-WHEELERS, THAT ARE CURRENTLY RAILING UP AND DOWN CHURCH ROAD. THERE ARE A BUNCH OF HANDICAPPED FOLKS WHO LIVE ON CHURCH ROAD. OUR MAIL IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET. PARENTS ARE SENDING THEIR CHILDREN TO PICK UP THE MAIL. NEAR MISSES CONSTANTLY. I'M FROM THE UK WHERE WE HAVE REAL ROUNDABOUTS. THE MESS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DOWN HERE IN THE LITTLE COUNTRY ARE NOT ROUNDABOUTS. YOU'VE GOT TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC CONVERGING AND TRAFFIC MERGING. >> THIS WAY. >> IT'S JUST NOT SAFE. >> SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> IT'S NOT SAFE. I QUIT DRIVING ALONG MAY RIVER TO GO TO ANYBODY'S CHURCH BECAUSE OF THE ROUNDABOUTS. WE NEED A TRAFFIC LIGHT. THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING I-95. BECAUSE WHEN I-95 HAS AN ACCIDENT, WHICH IS ALMOST ONCE A WEEK AND DURING THE SUMMERTIME, LITERALLY ONCE A WEEK, SOMETIMES TWO OR THREE TIMES >> I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. >> EVERYONE FROM RIDGELAND COMES DOWN 321. ONE SUNDAY, I SAT AT 321 AT CHURCH ROAD FOR 20 MINUTES TRYING TO CROSS THE ROAD TO GET HOME. >> BUT A ROUNDABOUT WILL HELP THAT. >> NO. IT'LL MAKE IT WORSE, TRUST ME, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO FIT. WE HAVE AN INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEM WITH OUR ROADS IN THE COUNTY AND WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE MORE PROBLEMS RIGHT THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION. A ROUNDABOUT WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. THE STATE HAS CREATED A NIGHTMARE. CHURCH ROAD IS LIKE THIS, IT USED TO BE STRAIGHT. NO MORE. FORGET ABOUT STINEY AND WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THAT ROAD. I DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, BUT THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE HAS DECIDED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DETERMINE HOW SAFE I AM ON MY ROAD IN CHURCH ROAD AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE CHILDREN, THE LITTLE PRE K KIDS WHEN THE HEAD-START BUS STOPS IS A BEECHWOOD ROAD, AND LETS THEM OFF TO GO HOME. VISUALIZE THAT. THEM CROSSING THE ROAD WITH MULTIPLE 18-WHEELERS GOING IN BOTH DIRECTIONS AFTER THE BUS HAS LEFT. >> THE BUS SHOULDN'T LEAVE UNTIL THE KIDS ARE ACROSS THE STREET. >> THE BUS DROPS THE CHILDREN OFF. THE PARENTS ARE RIGHT THERE. THE REALITY IS THAT 18-WHEELERS ARE GOING TO BE GOING UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD. THEY'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW. THERE ARE HANDICAPPED PEOPLE WHO CAN'T EVEN GET TO THE NEXT BUS, >> IF THE SCHOOL BUS STOPS AND LETS THE KIDS OFF AND THEIR PARENTS ARE ACROSS THE STREET WAITING, THAT BUS SHOULD NOT LEAVE UNTIL THOSE KIDS ARE ACROSS THE STREET. IF THE 18-WHEELERS ARE GOING BY THE SCHOOL BUS WITH ITS LIGHT SLASHING, THEN THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR CHIEF WOODWARD. >> AGAIN, NOW THAT MR. MALPHRUS IS OUR SHERIFF, THAT ISSUE'S BEING RESOLVED. WE HAVE AN EARLY LEARNING CENTER THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT WHERE THE OLD [INAUDIBLE] CAMPUS WAS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A ROAD COMING OUT OF THE TRAILER PARK, IF THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING, RIGHT WHERE THE SCHOOL WILL BE. >> THAT'S AN EMERGENCY EXIT. >> MAY I CLARIFY? >> YES. >> MICROPHONE. >> COME ON UP. >> TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE TRAILER PARK, THAT WAS THE VERY SAME REASON WHY WE PROPOSED TO THE CITY NOT BE AN ACCESS, AND BE JUST A EMS ACCESS. THERE IS A GATE. THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN GO THROUGH THE GATE IS THE CITY ON THE EMERGENCY SERVICES. FIREMEN CAN TRAVEL WITH NO PROBLEM, BUT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO DUMP TRAFFIC ON THAT TRAILER PARK FOR THOSE VERY SAME THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED. >> EXACTLY. >> THE MAIN ACCESS POINT DURING THE FIRST PHASE, IT WILL BE HERE. >> WHAT IS THAT IN FRONT OF IT? >> THAT'S CHURCH ROAD, BUT THE TRAILER PARK IS OVER HERE. LIKE YOU MENTIONED, ALL THOSE ARE HERE. THIS IS WHERE YOU GO ON THE SECTION THAT IS A LITTLE BIT WOODED. THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTS HERE, BUT WHAT I'M GOING WITH THIS IS THIS ROAD WILL BE IMPROVED TO ALLOW THROUGH TRAFFIC, TO ALLOW THE PROPER TURN. >> IN TERMS OF LOCATION, JUST STAY RIGHT THERE SO YOU CAN CLARIFY, BUT THERE ARE OTHER CHURCH ROAD RESIDENTS WHO ARE HERE. I LIVE 3217, CHURCH ROAD. EVERY TIME WE DISCUSS THIS, AND I COME HERE AND I ASK THIS QUESTION, I'M STOPPED. >> YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP. >> [INAUDIBLE] JASPER [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT ABOVE IT. [01:25:04] WHERE IS YOUR TRUCK COMING OUT ON CHURCH ROAD? >> MA'AM. >> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? >> I WAS ASKING THE SAME QUESTION. >> COME UP TO THE PODIUM, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> MY NAME IS JUNE GERALD. MY ADDRESS IS 2221 CHURCH ROAD. I'M A LITTLE BIT TOP SIDE OF THE BEAUFORT JASPER SEWAGE PLANT. BUT THE QUESTION THAT I WAS ASKING IS THIS: WHERE ON CHURCH ROAD WILL THEY BE COMING OUT? BECAUSE WE ARE FURTHER DOWN ON CHURCH ROAD INSTEAD OF AT THE TOP. >> LIKE I WAS PLYING. I THINK YOU ARE LOCATED SOMEWHERE HERE, THIS IS TO VIEW FOR JASPER SEWAGE PLANT. THIS IS, LIKE YOU POINTED OUT CHURCH STREET? I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS WOULD NOT BE AN ACCESS. NOBODY TRUCK OR ANYBODY COMING THROUGH THERE. ONLY EMS IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY. THERE'S A GATE, AND THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO CAN ACCESS IT. THEN HERE IT WILL BE THE PRIMARY ACCESS. THEY WILL BE DOING CONSTRUCTION, SUB-CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, BUT THAT WILL BE PROPERLY COORDINATED AND MITIGATED DURING CONSTRUCTION. >> WILL THE DEVELOPER ENSURE THAT THEY TAKE CARE OF THE DRAINAGE? >> MA'AM WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. >> I'M SORRY. WILL THE DEVELOPER ENSURE THAT THEY TAKE CARE OF THE DRAINAGE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ARE HAVING SO MUCH ISSUES DOWN THERE. IT'S BEEN FLOODED OVER AND OVER. ACCIDENT AT MY GATE. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FLOODING ON CHURCH ROAD? >> YES, SIR. >> MY GUESS IS THAT WHEN THEY DO THE IMPROVEMENTS ON CHURCH ROAD, THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED. >> ABSOLUTELY. WE COMMIT TO ANY IMPROVEMENTS WE MAKE THAT WE WILL ADHERE TO LOCAL STATE FEDERAL GUIDELINES, WON'T CONTRIBUTING, I THINK, TO ANY PROBLEMS. BUT THE CONCERNS SHE HAD WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY REACH OUT TO DOT AND THE COUNTY FOR THAT RESOLUTION OF THAT. I'M SORRY. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, WE CAN CERTAINLY FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE CONTACT THE COUNTY AND DOT AND TRY TO REMEDY THIS. >> I KNOW IT'S BAD OUT THERE BECAUSE ANOTHER ORGANIZATION I BELONG TO, WE DO THE TWO CEMETERIES. ONE CEMETERY IS REALLY IN BAD SHAPE BECAUSE OF THE DRAINAGE. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE GENTLEMAN, WE TALKED ABOUT AT THAT CONCEPT MEETING THAT, WHEN THEY GO FURTHER UP HE'S GOING TO TRY WORK WITH THE CITY TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT GETTING WATER AWAY FROM THAT. LIKE I SAID BEFORE FROM WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN HAS OFFERED, IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR THE CITY. IT REALLY IS. THANK YOU MONNAR. >> THANK YOU. >> CAN YOU COME UP? CAN YOU TAKE A MICROPHONE TO HER? >> THANK YOU. I FORGET I'M NOT [INAUDIBLE] >> WHAT IF YOU WENT AROUND THE FRONT OF IT, BRANA? >> I DO HAVE A POWERFUL VOICE, HOWEVER. >> TO TALK LOUDLY. [LAUGHTER]. >> WE'LL GET YOU. >> LET ME SEE. HERE I GO. >> OH, THERE YOU GO. >> NOW, I KNEW IT WOULD WORK.THANK YOU. >> IT'S HEAVY. >> I'M BARBARA ROBINSON LANDON. WHILE I LIVE IN PULLA, I STILL HAVE PROPERTY ON CHURCH ROAD, AND AS LONG AS MY PROPERTY IS THERE, THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT I MAY BE MOVING BACK TO SOUTH CAROLINA. RIGHT NOW, MY BROTHER LIVES ON CHURCH ROAD, AND I'M REPRESENTING HIM. HE COULDN'T MAKE IT TODAY. BUT THE WATER PROBLEMS ARE NOT NEW. I THINK WHATEVER THE COMMISSION THE COMMITTEE HAS IN MIND, I THINK YOU SHOULD MAKE SURE IT'S IN WRITING. IF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE IS GOING TO DO IT, WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG? THE OTHER THING IS, PERHAPS IT WAS SAID, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE TARGET FOR THE HOUSES. [01:30:02] THE COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO BE BUILT FOR ANYBODY WHO MAY WISH TO LIVE THERE? WHEN I SAY THE TARGET AREA, I'M ASKING ABOUT AGE GROUP. I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT KIND OF HOUSING? >> IT'S NOT AGE RESTRICTED. IT COULD BE FAMILIES. IT COULD BE MIXED. >> MIXED. >> IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY. >> BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT IT CHANGES EVERYTHING WITH THE PLANNING. I'M THINKING ABOUT, IS THE BUILDER GOING TO BUILD ANOTHER FIRE STATION? WHAT ABOUT FOOD STORES? WILL EVERYBODY RUN TO THE NEARBY PIGGLY WIGGLY? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? TAKE A FURTHER ROUTE OUT, IT'S STILL HARDEEVILLE, BUT NEVERTHELESS, TO WALMART AND PUBLIX AND THE STORES OUT THERE. THERE'S A LOT TO BE CONSIDERED. I KNOW THAT THE BUILDERS HAVE OUR BEST INTENTIONS IN MIND. I'M SURE THEY DO, BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE, SOMETIMES BUILDERS RUN OUT, TOO. I KNOW THAT THIS BUILDER WOULD NOT DO THAT, BUT SOMETIMES SITUATIONS HAPPEN. I'M WONDERING ABOUT THE TARGET IS A MIXED NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAILS. THOSE ARE GREAT. LET ME JUST GET BACK TO SOMETHING ELSE. MY MAIN CONCERN IS 301, AND CHURCH ROAD. DON'T TALK ROUNDABOUTS. [LAUGHTER] PLEASE. WELL, IT'S NOT JUST ME. IT DEPENDS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ROUNDABOUTS WORK SOME PLACES. [BACKGROUND] BUT THAT'S NOT A ROUNDABOUT AREA, UNLESS PERHAPS I MISSED THE TARGET OF WHERE THE ROUNDABOUT IS GOING TO BE. MAYBE IT'S GOING TO BE FARTHER BACK CLOSE STINEY ROAD. >> IT MIGHT NOT BE A ROUNDABOUT. THAT DETERMINATION HAS NOT BEEN MADE. IT'S GOING TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT TO THAT INTERSECTION, WHETHER IT'S A SIGNALIZATION OR A ROUNDABOUT. IT MAY NOT [INAUDIBLE]. >> THAT FINAL DECISION INVOLVES THE STATE, DOT, AS WELL AS COUNTY, CITY, EVERYONE. THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT INTERSECTION TO IMPROVE THAT INTERSECTION. WHETHER IT BE A ROUNDABOUT, WHETHER IT BE REALIGNING, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED. THAT WILL COME WHEN THEY TALK WITH THE STAFF REVIEW BECAUSE THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION HAS TO GET INVOLVED. THERE'S MORE THAN JUST WHAT WE SAY AND WHAT THE PLANNING OFFICE SAYS AND WHAT THE COUNCIL SAYS, THAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT. >> I'M SURE THAT EVERYTHING ISN'T GOING TO BE LEFT UP TO THE BUILDING. >> NO. >> I KNOW THAT. BUT LET ME JUST SAY WHILE I'M UP HERE. TRAFFIC LIGHTS. [LAUGHTER]. RED, YELLOW, GREEN AT 301 AND CHURCH ROAD, THAT IS WHAT IS NECESSARY, I BELIEVE. WE'RE ALSO IN A VAST HURRICANE EVACUATION AREA. I SPOKE TO SOMEONE RECENTLY JUST FOR A FEW MINUTES AT A SERVICE STATION, AND HE WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT ONLY PEOPLE IN FLORIDA FOR THE MOST PART, HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THESE HURRICANES. BECAUSE WE OFTEN SEE THEM MAKING AN ESCAPE TO GEORGIA AND SOUTH CAROLINA. HOWEVER, I'M SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO BE DISRESPECTFUL, BUT WHILE I'M HERE LET ME [INAUDIBLE]. >> NO. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT HURRICANE EVACUATION. THE COUNTY, ALONG WITH JASPER COUNTY AND BEAUFORT COUNTY, ALONG WITH OTHER COUNTIES IN THE STATE, HAVE A MASTER EVACUATION PLAN. THE CITY IS A PARTY TO THAT. I KNOW BRANA WORKED LONG AND HARD ON SOME OF THAT. BUT YOU SAY YOU WANT A TRAFFIC LIGHT, [01:35:02] LET ME TELL YOU A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I MOVED DOWN HERE IN 2013. >> SO DID I. >> I MOVED INTO A GATED COMMUNITY. TRAFFIC ON 278 WHEN I MOVED HERE WAS HORRENDOUS. I SAW ACCIDENT AFTER ACCIDENT AT THE ENTRANCE TO MY COMMUNITY. BRANA CAN ATTEST TO THIS. I FOUGHT FOR A TRAFFIC LIGHT FROM 2014 UNTIL IT WENT IN WHAT? A YEAR AND A HALF AGO? IT'S NOT SIMPLE TO SAY, WE WANT TRAFFIC LIGHT AND THAT GETS HERE. THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION DETERMINES WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ENOUGH TRAFFIC ENOUGH, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? [INAUDIBLE] TO WARRANT A LIGHT. I THINK THE LIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION WOULD BE [NOISE] FANTASTIC, BUT LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY, I WOULD GUESS THAT I WOULD BE DUST BEFORE I SAW IT. BECAUSE THE STAT IS SLOW IN DOING ANYTHING. >> LET ME SAY THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROBLEMS ON 278 ALSO. BUT I'M SAYING THAT SOMEBODY, I DON'T KNOW WHO, IT'S NOT TALKING TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE. MAYBE YOU NEED TO GET THE GOVERNOR DOWN HERE. [LAUGHTER] HE'S SUPPOSED TO COVER THE WHOLE STATE, NOT JUST THE PART OF IT. >> WELL, I KNOW. >> I KNOW THAT SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE VERY WELL ACQUAINTED WITH THE GOVERNOR. MAYBE THE GOVERNOR NEEDS TO COME. BUT LET ME JUST SAY BACK TO EVACUATION, I'M TALKING ABOUT NOT AT THIS MOMENT SO MUCH. BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT ONCE YOU THOUGHT CHANGING; ONCE YOU START THE BUILDING AND WHAT HAVE YOU. THESE ARE GREAT IDEAS, AND WE TALK ABOUT HOW IT WILL HELP THE COUNTY, EVEN THE STATE, THE BUILDERS WILL. HOWEVER, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT OF BUILDING. AS FAR AS EVACUATION IS CONCERNED NOW, I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THAT. I MENTIONED IT TO SAY THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM NOW, IT SEEMS. HOWEVER, IT'S GOING TO BE A WORSE PROBLEM ONCE YOU START BUILDING. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. PLEASE FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE FOR NOT KNOWING ALL ABOUT THE LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT, GETTING BEYOND THE EXECUTIVE JUDICIARY AND THE LEGISLATURE. BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME STEPS THAT SOME OF YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR CERTAIN THINGS AND OTHERS FOR DIFFERENT. BUT WELL, ANYWAY, I'M NOT LIVING HERE NOW, AND I'M NOT AUTHORIZED TO SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY THAT I'M JUST REPRESENTING MY BROTHER. HOWEVER, LET ME JUST SAY, THERE'S A LOT TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT. I KNOW YOU WANT THE BUILDING. YOU WANT TO MODERNIZE, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR EVERYBODY IN A SENSE, IF IT'S DONE PROPERLY. BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT EMERGENCY. RIGHT NOW, HOW MANY EMERGENCY VEHICLES DOES THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE HAVE? >> MA'AM, COULD I COMMENT ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >> YEAH. >> SEE IF WE AGREE. I KNOW THAT THIS WILL BE A WIN-WIN FOR THE PROSPERITY OF OUR COMMUNITY, BEYOND THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT. HOWEVER, I WONDER IF THIS IS RIGHT NOW GOING TO BE A WIN-WIN FOR OUR SAFETY. I WONDER, RIGHT NOW, TODAY, IS THIS GOING TO BE A WIN-WIN FOR OUR QUALITY OF LIFE? >> YES. >> I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. >> I THANK YOU, MR. ARZILLO. >> ARZILLO. A-R-Z-I-L-L-O. YES, MA'AM. >> MY SPANISH ISN'T AS FLUENT IS IT.[LAUGHTER]. >> MY ITALIAN ISN'T EITHER. [LAUGHTER] >> IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE SCHOOL. BUT LET ME JUST SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE THINKING BEYOND TODAY. >> I'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF THAT BEFORE. [01:40:01] >> FOR THE SAKE OF MY BROTHERS ONLY AND MY COUSIN WHO STILL LIVE IN HARDEEVILLE, AND FOR THE SAKE OF MYSELF. I MAY JUST DECIDE BE ON CHURCH ROAD MYSELF OR TO BUY ONE OF THESE BEAUTIFUL HOMES THAT WILL BE [INAUDIBLE]. >> YES, MA'AM. I MOVED HERE IN 1970. YES, THIS IS MY HOME. >> THIS IS MY HOME, TOO. I WAS BORN HERE IN 1947. HOW ABOUT THAT? >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. WE HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WE CAN COLLECTIVELY AGREE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO BE DONE, TOO. BUT FOR HARDEEVILLE TO MOVE FORWARD INTO THE 21ST CENTURY AND BEYOND, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE BUILDING. PEOPLE ARE RETIRING AND MOVING DOWN HERE. THAT'S A FACT. THAT'S WHY I CAME HERE. >> THAT'S A GOOD THING. >> I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. >> IT CAN BE A VERY GOOD THING. >> I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE I THINK HARDEEVILLE, WHEN I GOT HERE, SOMEONE SAID, "WHERE DO YOU LIVE?" I SAID, "WELL, I MOVED TO HARDEEVILLE." WHERE'S THAT? I SAID, "IT'S A LITTLE CITY IN SOUTH CAROLINA. BUT WATCH US, WE'RE GOING TO BE ON THE MAP." WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. I THINK, THIS BODY TRIES TO DO THE RIGHT THING. WE'RE HUMAN. WE'RE GOING MAKE MISTAKES. BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU. >> THAT'S WHY WE'RE PUTTING OUR HEADS TOGETHER, HOPEFULLY. >> MY NAME IS JILL BENNETT, AND I OWN THE PROPERTY ON BEACHWOOD DRIVE. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MY RENTAL PROPERTY. THE USE OF THAT ROAD, THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE ON CHURCH ROAD, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING THE ROAD, MAKING IT WIDER. THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSES REALLY CLOSE TO THE ROAD, SO THEN WE GET INTO EMINENT DOMAIN AND ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF, WHICH I'VE HAD AROUND WITH THAT ALREADY. I KNOW HOW TO OPERATE UNDER THAT. >> WE'VE GOT TO GO AROUND ON THAT, HAVEN'T WE? >> YES. >> I HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT RENT FROM ME, AND THEY LIVE IN MOBILE HOMES, AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD IS ANOTHER MOBILE HOME PARK, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHO EVEN OWNS THAT. >> BUT WE DON'T KNOW YET WHAT THE ACTUAL PLAN FOR THE ROAD IS. >> THERE IS A LOT OF STAGES THAT WILL GO INTO THAT. NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT TAKING ANYONE'S LAND, FIRST OF ALL. [OVERLAPPING] >> TRUST ME, THIS COMMITTEE WOULD NOT ALLOW THAT. >> WELL, THEY DON'T OWN THAT ROAD. SOUTH CAROLINA DOT OWNS THAT ROAD, AND IT WILL GO THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS. I'M GOING TO LET LAMAR. THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER] >> I DO WANT TO CLARIFY, NICE TO MEET YOU. THIS WAY DRIVE THE ACCESS POINT ONTO 1ST STREET. I ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE DEVELOPMENT. [OVERLAPPING] >> I KNOW THAT [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T KNOW HOW IT MANAGED TO EVEN GET NAMED AND PAVED BECAUSE IT WAS A RIGHT AWAY. IT JUST APPEARED ONE DAY. BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE ALSO BECAUSE, I KNOW WHEN CONSTRUCTION STARTS, WHAT ROAD ARE THEY GOING TO POSSIBLY [OVERLAPPING] >> CAN YOU TALK INTO THE MIC SO WE CAN HEAR YOU TOO? [LAUGHTER] >> I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE, THAT WOULD BE AN ACCESS TO GET INTO THERE AND USUALLY WITH CONSTRUCTION. MY HUSBAND'S A SUPERINTENDENT, SO I KNOW A LOT ABOUT CONSTRUCTION. THEY ALWAYS WANT THEM TO USE THE BACK ROADS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THE VALUE OF MY PROPERTY, HOW'S THAT GOING TO AFFECT VALUE OF MY PROPERTY? >> DO YOU WANT TO CLARIFY, IT'S ONLY PROPOSED IN THE EMS ACCESS ONLY. >> I KNOW HOW THAT CAN CHANGE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT YEAH. HOW'S IT GOING TO IMPACT MY VALUE OF THE PROPERTY? >> WE'LL PASS THAT INFORMATION LONG AND TRY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. >> YEAH. >> IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A WORKSHOP ON THIS ONE, TOO? >> I WOULD IMAGINE. >> I MEAN, BASICALLY, [OVERLAPPING]. >> I THINK SO. [OVERLAPPING] >> DEALING WITH HARDEEVILLE, BUT THAT'S IN THE COUNTY. >> YEAH. >> I WILL SAY THIS. IF THE COUNCIL HOLDS A WORKSHOP, THAT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD. AS WELL AS THE FIRST AND SECOND READINGS, IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD. I DON'T WANT TO SHUT ANYBODY OFF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO SAY, [01:45:01] BUT WE DO HAVE TIME CONSTRAINTS. I KNOW I HAVE A MEDICAL APPOINTMENT AT 1:00 THAT I HAVE TO BE AT SO I DON'T WANT TO SHUT ANYONE OFF, BUT WE CAN'T GO ON FOREVER. >> ONE OTHER THING, AND I KNOW MY TIME'S JUST RUNNING, IT'S PURRYSBURG ROAD. I LIVE ON PURRYSBURG ROAD ON THE NORTH END. HOW IS THAT TRAFFIC GOING TO IMPACT THAT ROAD AND GOING AROUND THE CEMETERIES? WHAT'S GOING TO GO ON WITH THAT? >> WELL, THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR THE FUTURE, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN AN INITIAL MEETING WE HAD. THE INTERSECTION AND THE TWO CEMETERIES, WHAT CAN BE DONE THERE. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE BECAUSE THERE'S SOME OPTIONS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, SOME THAT THE CITY MAY DO, SOME THAT THE DEVELOPER MAY DO. >> I GAVE HER MY CARD. >> WELL, I WILL TELL YOU, THOSE TWO CEMETERIES ARE NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, BECAUSE WE GO OUT THERE EVERY YEAR, AND WE'LL BE GOING OUT THIS SATURDAY TO DO REPAIR AND CLEAN UP AT THOSE CEMETERIES. >> ANOTHER THING. NOBODY GOT THE LETTERS. I GOT MY LETTER ON MONDAY AFTERNOON. I KNOW PEOPLE THAT HAVE NO CLUE THAT ALL OF THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT. >> RONA CAN TELL YOU WHEN EVEN NOW. WE CAN'T CONTROL THE POSTAL SERVICE, AND THAT IS A PROBLEM. IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM IN THE PAST. >> I DO KNOW THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY, BUT THEY DID TALK TO ME ON THE PHONE, AND I ASKED THEM TO EMAIL ME ANY CONCERNS [INAUDIBLE]. I KNOW THAT A NUMBER DID GET THEM. UNFORTUNATELY, YEAH. IT WENT OUT IN ACCORDANCE WITH HOW OUR ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN. SO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE AT CITY COUNCIL FIRST READING AND SECOND READING. THEY ARE MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT. [OVERLAPPING] IF ANYTHING CHANGES, WE WILL CERTAINLY KEEP YOU UPDATED, BUT THIS ALLOWS PEOPLE TO GO BACK AND VIEW THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IF THEY COULDN'T BE HERE, IT IS ON OUR WEBSITE, AS WELL AS COME TO WORKSHOPS AND FIRST AND SECOND READINGS. >> A LOT OF PEOPLE WORK DURING THE DAY. LUCKILY, I DON'T. >> I HAVE HEARD THIS BEFORE. WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT WE HAVE MET THE MINIMUM STANDARD FOR NOTIFICATION OF INDIVIDUALS, WHICH IS ONE WEEK, AND WE CANNOT CONTROL THE MAIL. I'VE HEARD THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THE RESULT OF THAT, THOUGH, IS EVERYONE WALKING INTO THIS MEETING, GETTING THEIR LETTER A DAY OR THREE DAYS BEFORE. NOW, THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THEIR LIVELIHOODS, HERE, AND THEY'RE ENDING UP WITH A ONE TO THREE-DAY NOTICE THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT. THEY GIVE NO PREPARATION FOR THE INDIVIDUAL TO BE PREPARED. I KNOW THAT WE ARE MEETING THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT, I SUGGEST THAT WE START THINKING ABOUT THE MAXIMUM REQUIREMENT. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A MINIMUM. LET'S JUST SAY SINCE WE WANT TO MAKE IT ONE OR TWO DAYS, LET'S JUST SAY TWO MONTHS. THIS WAY, WHEN THE MAIL GETS IT THERE AND THEY GET IT IN FOUR WEEKS, AT LEAST THEY HAVE NOTICE. UNTIL WE START DO, THERE'S NO ONE THAT CAN ARGUE THAT IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO BE HERE AT THIS MEETING. WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO STOP THAT, AND IT'S OBVIOUS TO ME. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE MINIMUM ANYMORE. I WANT TO START TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE MAXIMUM IS, AND I WANT NOTICES OUT. WHOEVER VOTES ON THIS ONE-WEEK ORDINANCE, I WANT TO FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE AND CHANGE IT. I AM TIRED OF HEARING THIS SAME STORY. >> WELL, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? >> MR. RILEY, AND I'M LIVING ON CHURCH STREET, AND I GOT TO HANDICAPPED WHITES TO LIVE ON CHURCH STREET. >> CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC? >> I NEED TO KNOW THERE'S A PLAN THAT GOING FROM THE GRAVEYARD TO DOWN CHURCH STREET BECAUSE LOOK LIKE THE AREA WHERE THEY ARE DEVELOPING IS CLOSE TO MY HOME. >> THESE ARE THE PARAMETERS. WHERE'S YOUR HOME? >> THAT'S SOLOMON. [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S IT. >> SAME ONE. >> WHERE? >> WHERE CHURCH STREET BEGIN. [01:50:01] >> THIS IS CHURCH. THIS IS THE INTERSECTION WITH 321. THIS IS THE INTERSECTION WITH [INAUDIBLE] >> IS THIS CHURCH STREET [OVERLAPPING] >> THIS IS THE PJWSA FACILITY. >> THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE. THERE. OTHER COMING DOWN THE LARGER LANDING DOWN TO THE [INAUDIBLE] SCHOOL. [OVERLAPPING] >> SHOWING THE PICTURE WHERE YOU [INAUDIBLE]. >> THE PICTURE. >> THAT WAS JUST A PICTURE [OVERLAPPING] OF PICTURE THE ROAD. THAT WOULD BE A SHOT. CAN'T GET MY CURSOR GOING. HERE IT IS. SHE WAS STANDING IN THIS VICINITY SHOOTING SOUTH. IT WOULD BE OVER IN HERE, BUT NOT UP IN HERE. >> BECAUSE I'M LIVING ON 1690 CHURCH ROAD. >> YOU'RE UP IN HERE? >> YEAH. >> THE OTHER END. AREN'T YOU AT THE OTHER END? >> AT THE GRAVEYARD. ALMOST BY THE GRAVEYARD. NONE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT GOING ON. >> NOT ADJACENT TO YOU, SIR. >> THAT SHOULD BE CLEAR. >> THANK YOU. LAST CALL FROM REPUBLIC. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON CONSIDERATION OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR PARCELS 02900030003 THROUGH 030-000-2015 TO BE KNOWN AS RIVERPORT PARKWAY, NORTH AND RIVER PORT NORTH, PHASE 1 AND PHASE 1 OF THE RIVER PORT PDD. >> CAN I DO A CONDITIONAL? MY CONDITION WOULD BE THAT THE INTERSECTION IS FIXED BEFORE WE APPROVED ANY OF THE HOUSES BEING BUILT. I'M THINKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC GOING IN THERE. THE LOGGING TRUCKS. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY IN AND OUT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO FURTHER DOWN. I CAN'T IMAGINE. THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN ON THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING THERE. I KNOW AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE DON'T HAVE FINAL APPROVAL. EVERYTHING GOES IN FRONT OF THE CITY. WE ARE JUST PROVIDING A RECOMMENDATION BEFORE THE COUNCIL. YOU ARE PROVIDING A RECOMMENDATION. I THINK THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THAT, AND I WILL TRY TO DO WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST FOR SIMILAR CONCERNS, THAT AS IT'S MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS, THAT THE DEVELOPER, WORK WITH STAFF AND OTHER AGENCIES ON THE MOST APPROPRIATE PUBLIC SAFETY FACTORS FOR THAT INTERSECTION THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO FOR THOSE ROADWAYS. DOES THAT SATISFY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO? THAT WE KNOW THAT BY THE COUNCIL'S AWARE, AND THEY CAN MAKE SURE THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT. >> BRANA, CAN THAT BE DONE IN THE WORKSHOP? >> WE CAN DISCUSS ALL THAT IN THE WORKSHOP. THE VOTE WON'T HAPPEN UNTIL IT GETS TO FIRST READING, BUT ALL OF THAT CAN BE WORKED ON DURING THE WORKSHOP. THEY JUST CAN'T VOTE. >> OBVIOUSLY, THE FIRST THREE THAT WE VOTED ON WERE PRETTY EASY. THEY HAD TWO LANES IN, TWO LANES OUT, INFRASTRUCTURE THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY PULLING ON 278. OBVIOUSLY, IT'S UP TO 500 HOMES BEFORE THAT INTERSECTION GETS COMPLETED. >> I CAN CERTAINLY OFFER, AND KATIE MENTIONED THIS, NOT ONLY DO THEIR ENGINEERS DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT WE HAVE A THIRD PARTY THAT REVIEWS IT AS WELL. WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PRESENTATIONS AND THOSE ANALYSES ARE INCLUDED AND GIVEN AS MUCH AIR TIME AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE UNDERSTANDING THAT ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN CONCERNED CONSIDERED. I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD CONDITION TO MAKE. STAFF ALSO ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THESE TWO [INAUDIBLE] AS WELL. >> I KNOW AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING, WE WERE TOLD THAT WE ARE JUST AN ADVISORY BOARD, AND WE WERE REMINDED OF THAT. I WANT TO ALSO REMIND US THAT WE ARE HERE FOR A VERY IMPORTANT FUNCTION. THAT IS TO GO OVER IT THOROUGHLY. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT AS WE DO THIS, WE WOULD DO IT AS IF WE WERE MAKING THE FINAL VOTE. [01:55:01] I WOULD NOT WANT TO USE THIS BOARD TO KICK ANYTHING DOWN THE CAN OR KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. VOTE HERE LIKE YOU WOULD IF YOU WERE ON THE HARDYVILLE COUNCIL. >> YOU MADE THE MOTION WITH CONDITIONS? >> IT'S A TOUGH ONE. I FEEL THAT THE INTERSECTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF FURTHER TRAFFIC STUDIES WOULD BE SUFFICIENT, WITH LOGGING TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE CLEARING THAT AREA OUT. THAT'S JUST A BIG CONCERN OF MINE UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO [OVERLAPPING]. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN DONE, AND I'M GOING TO USE IF THIS IS OKAY MORGAN TRACK IS ONE WE JUST HAD A CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT JOHN SMITH ROAD, AS WELL AS 278 AND THOSE SAME FACTORS ABOUT AND WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH A COUNSEL, AND YOU CAN CERTAINLY RECOMMEND THIS TYPE OF THING IS BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE SAFETY MEASURES ARE IN PLACE. WE ALSO DID IT FOR SOUTH POINT. IT'S MULTIPLE, NOT JUST MORGAN. THAT THE ASSURANCE THAT THEY WILL WORK WITH STAFF, AND THEY CAN'T MOVE FORWARD UNTIL THOSE INTERSECTIONS, FOR THOSE LOG TRUCKS, FOR THOSE BIG HEAVY MACHINERY, ARE IN PLACE FOR THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT CITY RESIDENTS, THEY TALKED ABOUT ALL RESIDENTS ADJACENT. I HOPE THAT GIVES YOU SOME IDEAS OR SOME TRACTION ON SOME WAYS TO GO WITH THAT. >> BEFORE THEY START BUILDING HOMES ARE STILL ANOTHER APPROVAL. BUT NOT OUTSIDE AT CITY, CORRECT. THIS IS THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN. >> CAN WE GET BACK TO THE PROCESS. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN HAS TO BE APPROVED. RECOMMENDED BY YOU FOR WHATEVER, APPROVED BY COUNCIL, THEN IT GOES THROUGH SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT PROCESS, WHICH IS OUR STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH HAS MANY AGENCIES INVOLVED, NOT JUST PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, FIRE, POLICE, ENGINEERING, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS, AS WELL AS WORKING WITH BJWSA, AS WELL AS WORKING WITH SOUTH CAROLINA DOT, DES, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS. I'LL GO INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT PERMIT BEING ISSUED. >> BRANA >> HOW DO WE ADDRESS THE PUBLIC CONCERNS ABOUT CHURCH ROAD, CHURCH, AND THE TRAFFIC FLOW GETTING THAT RESOLVED? >> I THINK THAT COULD BE, AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, SO I'M GIVING YOU SOME IDEAS. >> THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING. >> I THINK YOU NEED TO RECOMMEND THAT COUNCIL HAVE THAT WORKSHOP, ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC INFORMATION. STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE, I HATE THIS PHRASE AD NAUSEAM. THEY'RE BEATING AROUND THE BUSH. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE PRESENTED, AND THE FINDINGS ARE PRESENTED, AND THE WHOLE PROCESS IS PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC. WHAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN THAT AS FAR AS CHURCH ROAD IS CONCERNED, AND WHAT CAN'T BE? THAT'S HIGHER LEVEL THAN JUST THE ZONING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T CONSIDER IT. BUT YOU MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT IS THOROUGHLY VETTED AT THE NEXT LEVEL. >> WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS HERE. WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT HAVE COME UP FROM THE PUBLIC AND FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. WE CAN TABLE IT, WHICH MEANS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS IT NEXT MONTH. OR YOU CAN REJECT IT, AND IT GOES TO THE COUNCIL ANYWAY. I GUESS I'M GOING TO ASK, WHAT'S THE FEELING OF THE COMMISSION? >> I THINK WE RECOMMEND THAT THEY DO A WORKSHOP ON IT AND ADDRESS THE PUBLIC'S ISSUES. >> WELL, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ON IT, YOU GOT TO APPROVE, WE GOT TO SEND. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE BASED ON THE FACTORS OF THE ROADS BEING THOROUGHLY ADDRESSED, WORKSHOP BEING HELD, THE OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU'D HAD ON THERE AS WELL, [02:00:03] BUT OBVIOUSLY, IN A PERFECT WORLD, I WOULD LIKE THE ROADS FIXED BEFORE HOUSES ARE BUILT. >> NOT JUST THE ROADS, BUT ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS BECAUSE THERE WAS SEVERAL OTHER COMMENTS. >> WELL, YEAH, IT WAS DRAINAGE, WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL COME UP IN THE SCHOOLS, TOO. >> YOU'LL PUT THAT ALL TOGETHER. >> I WILL WORK [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] >> SOUTH CAROLINA DOT NEEDS TO DEMONSTRATE TO ME THAT THEY ARE COMMITTED TO IMPROVING OUR ROADS. WE ARE CONTINUALLY AND CONTINUALLY BUILDING HOMES, AND NONE OF US SEE ANY IMPROVEMENTS. BEFORE I CAN CONTINUE THIS, BRINGING MORE AND MORE HOMES HERE, I WANT TO SEE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY IN CHARGE BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE US SAFE. I WANT TO SEE THEM DOING SOMETHING. UNTIL THEN, WE HAVE TO STOP THIS, OR WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO KILL OUR CITIZENS. >> I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> I SECOND. >> OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED. >> AYE. >> I WILL VOTE AYE, BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT WE'LL GO FORWARD. AGAIN, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND AND ASK THAT YOU RECOMMEND TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE COUNCIL A WORKSHOP ON THIS. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> CAN I TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK? >> SURE. ABSOLUTELY. [BACKGROUND] [LAUGHTER] [02:05:17] >> [BACKGROUND] WHAT'S UP NOW? HEITI. >> I'LL JUMP IN. FIRST OF ALL, BRANA IS PREPARING SOME LITTLE GOODIES OFF TO THE SIDE BECAUSE IT WAS MR. TALBOT'S BIRTHDAY. A VERY BIG BIRTHDAY. WE HAVE CAKE TO CELEBRATE. HE'LL BE 81. >> WHO'S BIRTHDAY? >> YOURS. >> IT'S NOT MY BIRTHDAY TODAY. >> NOT TODAY, BUT WE WERE TOLD YOU HAD A BIG BIRTHDAY. >> A FEW WEEKS AGO. EIGHTY-ONE TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. >> IMPRESSIVE. >> LOOKING FOR 81 MORE. [LAUGHTER] >> THAT WOULD BE IMPRESSIVE. >> YOU DON'T LOOK LIKE IT. >> I DON'T KNOW AFTER TODAY. >> JUST A FEW HITS ON THE CURRENT PROJECTS. RIVERPORT SOUTH IS RIVERPORT PARKWAY SOUTH, [CURRENT PLANNING PROJECTS UPDATE] WHICH YOU SAW IN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER OF 2024. THAT IS UNDER REVIEW BY STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW AS PART OF THAT HOLE, SO WE CAN GET SOUTH AND NORTH CONNECTED. MORGAN TRACK, THE FIRST PHASE CAME IN FOR STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEW, SO THAT IS UNDER REVIEW BY THEM. >> THAT'S JUST THE SPINE ROAD. >> IT'S THE SPINE ROAD AND VERY BEGINNING UP BY 278. BIG ONE FOR THE CITY. STATION 82 HAS BEEN APPROVED BY STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 01,200 NORTH OAKITY IS A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT THAT YOU SAW A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. IT FINALLY GOT THROUGH PERMITTING, AND THEY JUST STARTED CLEARING THAT PROPERTY AND DOING SOME SITE PREP. THEN, IF YOU GO TO EAST ARGENT, PAST JUBILEE, YOU HAVE THE SANCTUARY AT EAST ARGENT. THEY'RE JUST GETTING STARTED WITH THEIR FIRST PHASE AS WELL. IMPORTANT TO KNOW, EAST ARGENT PARKWAY, IF IT STAYS ON SCHEDULE, IT'LL BE OPEN BY LATE FALL. ALL THE WAY FROM ARGENT TO 170. IT'S LOOKING GOOD. THE FINAL ONE I WAS GOING TO BRING UP, WELL, TWO THINGS, TOWN PARK, WHICH IS UP NEAR SERGEANT JASPER PARK OFF MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE. FORINO IS DOING DUPLEXES THERE, AND THEY ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. THEN THE FINAL THING, I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO KNOW, AND BY ANY MEANS, I AM NOT A STORMWATER ENGINEER OR AN EXPERT IN THE FLOOD ORDINANCE, BUT WE HAVE HAD A ROOMFUL OF PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERTS LOOKING INTO OUR ORDINANCE TO SEE WHAT CHANGES MAY NEED TO BE COMING UP. WE'LL BE HEARING ABOUT SOME OF THAT SOON. I THINK THAT'LL REALLY HELP THE CITY MOVING FORWARD. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE'RE AT THE MAY JUNE MEETING, [UPDATE ON RECENT APPLICATIONS FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL] GOING TO BE PROPOSING A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WILL INCLUDE SEVERAL ITEMS, MOST IMPORTANTLY, ON THAT TRANSECT ZONES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE CLARIFICATION AS TO HOW WE'RE USING THEM AND TO PROTECT THOSE RESIDENTS THAT DO LIVE NEXT TO SOME OF THE TRANSECT ZONES. THAT WILL BE COMING BEFORE YOU IN JUNE. ALSO, YOU'VE NOTICED THAT SOME BUILDINGS ARE DOWN IN THE CITY. MITCHELL SQUARE, OLD CITY HALL, AS WELL AS THE INTERN HOUSE, THEY DID A CONTROLLED BURN AT THE TRAINING AT THE INTERN HOUSE, AND IF YOU HADN'T SEEN THE VIDEO, IT IS ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE, AND IT IS REALLY INTERESTING TO WATCH ALL OF THAT. >> THEN I NOTICED THIS MORNING THE OLD CITY HALL IS GONE. >> YEAH. >> NOW WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO START IT ON THE MEMORIAL PARK. >> THAT'S THE PLAN IS TO BE MAKING ROOM FOR ALL OF THAT. I THINK THE FOUNTAINS COMING DOWN SOON TOO, BECAUSE THAT FOUNTAIN HASN'T WORKED IN YEARS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE PROPER. >> THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO SALVAGE IT. >> I DO NOT KNOW THE DETAILS, SIR. THAT HAS BEEN VETTED BY OTHERS. >> THAT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD KEEP IT CAUSE THAT PHONE [INAUDIBLE]. >> I THINK THEY HAVE REALLY GOOD PLANS FOR AND PROVED. >> IT'S BEAUTIFUL. >> HAVING SAID ALL THAT, [02:10:02] THE MAYOR DID ASK THAT THE CITY MANAGER GET A CAKE FOR MR. TALBOT'S BIRTHDAY. HE REQUESTED A CARROT CAKE. WE HAVE CARROT CAKE AND SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A CONFETTI CAKE. >> WHERE IS THE MAYOR? >> I DO NOT KNOW. THE CITY MANAGER HAD A MEETING WITH THE COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS THAT HE COULD NOT GET OUT OF. I IMAGINE THE MAYOR MAY BE WITH HIM. >> YOU'RE ACTING MAYOR? [LAUGHTER] >> NO. I AM ACTING BIRTHDAY HOST. IT'S ALSO ASHLEY'S BIRTHDAY MONTH. >> I COULDN'T RESIST. >> WE'RE HAVING A DUAL CELEBRATION. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME. >> THAT'S IT, SO I CAN ADJOURN? >> YES, SIR. >> WOULD THE COMMISSION MEMBER OBTAIN A MOTION? >> DUE TO THE COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS FIRST? >> WELL, NO PUBLIC HERE. >> HE'S GOT A PRACTICE TO BE CHAIR. >> OH, YEAH. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS. I'M SORRY. LET ME START WITH, DO YOU HAVE ONE? DAN. >> THIS HAS BEEN INTERESTING. [LAUGHTER] I HAVE A LOT TO LEARN. I KNOW WE HAD SPOKEN ABOUT POSSIBLY DOING SOME ROAD TRIPS TO GET A BETTER FEEL FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA. >> WE CORDIALLY INVITE YOU ON A TOUR, KATIE AND I, SOMETIMES. >> HARDEEVILLE TOUR. >> HARDEEVILLE TOUR. >> WE CAN SELL TICKETS, TOO. LET ME KNOW WHEN. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, YES, FOR MY VERY FIRST TRIAL BY FIRE GETTING IN HERE, [COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS] IT IS AN HONOR TO REPRESENT THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, AND LIVING DOWNTOWN HARDEEVILLE. DEFINITELY WITH THREE YOUNG KIDS, SAFETY IS TOP OF MINE. SOME OF THESE DECISIONS ARE EASIER THAN OTHERS. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I DID GO AND VISIT ALL OF THOSE SITES ON SUNDAY WITH MY DAUGHTER. IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE THE DEVELOPMENTS COMING AND HOW FAR ALONG IT HAS COME. IT'S NICE TO SEE THAT. I LOVE TO SEE OUR CITY GROWING, BUT I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT, YES, DEFINITELY HAVE A LOT TO LEARN, A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS COMMISSION, AND JUST LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING THE CITY RESIDENTS TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. >> I WANT TO SAY WELCOME AGAIN. HOPEFULLY, IT'LL BE AN ENJOYABLE TRIP FOR YOU GUYS. ONE THING I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON COUNCIL MEETING THIS EVENING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSED IS THE CONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE, WHETHER OR NOT WE ALLOW CONSTRUCTION IN THE CITY ON SUNDAYS, OR WHETHER IT'S A MODIFIED SCHEDULE, OR WHATEVER. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS. I'VE SEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS IN MY COMMUNITY, SOME SAY, KEEP IT AS IT IS, SOME SAY DO DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT HOPEFULLY, THE COUNCIL WILL DO THE RIGHT THING ON THAT. BECAUSE THAT IS IMPORTANT. SECOND THING. I WANT TO WISH EVERYONE IN ADVANCE A HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY. IF YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING, AND YOU WANT TO COME OUT TO MARGARITAVILLE, THAT WE WILL BE STARTING AT 10:30 OUR CEREMONY. OUR CITY MANAGER IS SPEAKING, NOT JUST YOURS. I APPRECIATE THAT. OTHER THAN THAT, THANK YOU AGAIN. [ADJOURNMENT] THANK YOU, KATIE, BRANA, AND CHRIS. THANK YOU, ASHLEY, FOR PUTTING UP WITH US. NOW I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOTION TO ADJOURN. >> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR. >> AYE. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.