Mar 20, 2025 Hardeeville City Council Meeting

WE ARE BACK IN PUBLIC MEETING MODE.

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AND THE NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC COMMENTS.

I SEE WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE SIGNED UP.

SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE ME GIVING THE RULES

[V. PUBLIC COMMENTS (3 MINUTE TIME LIMIT)]

FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE ARE NOW ENTERING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF OUR MEETING.

WE ASK THAT YOU DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS AT THIS TIME TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE.

WE WELCOME ANY COMMENTS ON MATTERS APPEARING ON THE AGENDA OR THOSE THAT ARE WITHIN OUR CONTROL.

SOME MATTERS ARE BETTER ADDRESSED TO COUNTY COUNCIL OR YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES.

PLEASE AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS ON MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, CITY STAFF OR COUNCIL MEMBER.

BEING MINDFUL THAT THESE PROCEEDINGS ARE BEING BROADCAST AND ARE AVAILABLE TO BE HEARD BY CHILDREN AND OTHERS AT HOME WATCHING THE, UM, THERE, WOULD YOU PUT THE CLOCK UP? UH, CINDY, EACH MEMBER HAS THREE MINUTES.

THERE WILL BE, UH, THERE'S A, A TOTAL TIME LIMIT.

AND I SEE THERE ARE FOUR PEOPLE SIGNED UP ALL ON THE SAME TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.

YOU EACH ARE ENTITLED TO THREE MINUTES.

I DO.

WE MAY HAVE TO KEEP THE TIMER ON THE PHONE.

WOW.

THAT WAS A, THAT'S A GOOD START.

I ASK EVERYBODY WHO SIGNED UP AS A COURTESY BUT NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT IF YOU HAVE THE SAME COMMENT AS THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER, IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO REPEAT IT.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SAY, I AGREE WITH THE, THE SPEAKER BEFOREHAND.

IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO SAY, BY ALL MEANS.

AND THAT'S A REQUEST, NOT A REQUIREMENT.

YOU'RE ALLOWED YOUR THREE MINUTES.

UH, THE FOUR PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED UP.

SO, UM, OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS, UH, CINDY SMITH.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD, PLEASE.

PINE ROAD.

AND SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE 'CAUSE YOU'RE BEING RECORDED.

CINDY SMITH, 4 98 PINE ABA ROAD.

WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE BUSINESS THAT'S OPENING UP AT 6 0 7 PINE ALBA ROAD.

UM, IT'S A HALFWAY HOUSE.

UM, THERE'S GONNA BE, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, PINE ABA ROAD, BUT 10 SINGLE MEN UNRELATED.

WE'LL BE LIVING IN THE HOUSE ELSE.

IT'S FOR PROFIT.

I THINK WE SENT A LIST OF ORDINANCE, WE THINK THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PROVIDED.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY LICENSE THAT WE CAN FIND OR PERMITS.

WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE STOPPED UNTIL IT'S INVESTIGATED.

NO COMMENT.

NO, JUST SO YOU EXPLAIN, THE COUNCIL DOES NOT COMMENT ON ANYTHING FROM PUBLIC COMMENT.

THE, AND ON THIS CASE, YOU'LL BE, UM, ADVISED BY OUR CITY MANAGER AND OUR ATTORNEY.

AND THEY'LL IN WRITING OR THEY'LL CONTACT US.

THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU.

NEXT WE HAVE TROY SMITH.

I'M GOOD.

SHE SAID THE SAME THING.

I WAS GONNA SAY THANK YOU, SIR FOR BEING, UH, COURTEOUS.

NEXT WE HAVE MR. BRIAN.

I'M TERRIBLE WITH NAMES.

WHO? PARDON? .

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD.

BRIAN KOVA, 8 4 9 PINE A ROAD.

UM, ME AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE OF OUR STREET HAVE A MAJOR CONCERN WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING IN AT 6 0 7.

UM, WE HAVE CHILDREN OF PREVIOUS LAW ENFORCEMENT UNDERSTAND WHAT COMES THROUGH THESE PLACES.

I HAVE A PETITION THAT IS SIGNED BY A MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORS, AND I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT THIS TO YOU GUYS.

PLEASE SUBMIT IT TO OUR CITY MANAGER.

UM, I HAVE NO CHANCE PRONOUNCING THE NEXT NAME.

I CAN'T, UH, IS THAT PHYLLIS? WELL, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THEY SAID.

THANK YOU SIR FOR BEING COURTEOUS.

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SAME THING.

UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THAT HAVE SIGNED IN.

THANK YOU ALL.

AS I SAID, YOU WILL, UH, BE ADVISED FROM OUR CITY MANAGER AND OUR ATTORNEY.

UM, SHERIFF CHRIS MALICE.

NEXT WE HAVE, UH, PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS AND WE HAVE,

[VI. PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS]

SHERIFF, WELCOME.

THANK YOU, SIR.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL,

[A. JASPER COUNTY SHERIFF CHRIS MALPHRUS]

UM, HERE TODAY WITH SHERIFF CHRIS MALICE, UH, HAVE, HAVE AN MOU SIGN, HOPEFULLY BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE CITY OF HARDY POLICE DEPARTMENT IN JASPER COUNTY, OUR TEAM WORKING TOGETHER FOR THE BETTERMENT OF BOTH JASPER COUNTY AND THE CITY OF HARDY AS A TEAM THAT WE ARE, WE, WE'VE HAD A MEETING ABOUT, TALKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA GET STUFF DONE TOGETHER, AND IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO BE A GOOD TEAM TO GET STUFF ACCOMPLISHED.

SO I'VE ASKED MISS, UH, SHERIFF CHRIS MAL TO COME BEFORE YOU TODAY AND ALSO GIVE YOU HIS INPUT ABOUT WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO WORK TOGETHER.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING ME.

I, I'VE ALWAYS SAID IN MY SIX PLUS YEARS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT OFTENTIMES WHAT LAW ENFORCEMENT DEALS WITH ON THE STREETS, WE HAVE, UH, MICROPHONE, WE HAVE ORGANIZED CRIME AGAINST DISORGANIZED LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S A TRUE PHRASE.

AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE AGENCIES WITHIN JASPER COUNTY WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH THE SAME KNUCKLEHEADS OUT HERE ON THE STREETS.

AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, RESTRICTED BY BUDGET TO MANPOWER AND A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES THAT WE, WE FACE.

SO, UH, IT'S VITALLY IMPORTANT THAT AS AGENCIES, WE JOIN TEAMS AND JOIN FORCES AND SHARE RESOURCES.

AND THAT'S JUST SIMPLY WHY WE'RE HERE.

WE'RE HERE TO ASK YOUR APPROVAL AND, AND YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, UH, CHECK MARK OR HEAD NOD, IF YOU WILL, SO WE CAN WORK TOGETHER.

SO, UH, WE CAN DOUBLE THE TEAMS UP.

YOU SWAT TEAMS AND DRUG TEAMS AND TRAFFIC GUYS AND, AND JUST RESOURCES THAT, UM, WHEN WE NEED HELP, THEY'RE THERE AND THEY NEED HELP.

WE'RE THERE TO, TO LEND A HAND AND TO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, UH, THE NUMBER ONE THING IS OFFICER SAFETY.

AND IF WE CAN LEND A HELPING HAND TO THEM AND THEM TO US, OBVIOUSLY, AND OUR OFFICERS GO HOME SAFELY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN GOAL.

AND OBVIOUSLY ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT, PUTTING BAD GUYS IN JAIL.

THANK YOU, SHERIFF.

YOU SIR.

UM, COUNSEL, AS A COURTESY TO THE SHERIFF, ALTHOUGH I KNOW HE WANTS TO STAY FOR A COUPLE HOURS AND LISTEN TO THE REST OF OUR MEETING, UM, IF YOU WOULD CON, PLEASE CONSIDER A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO CONSIDER ITEM NUMBER NINE, NEW BUSINESS, A RESOLUTION FOR A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN JASPER COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT AND CITY OF HARVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IF YOU WANNA MOVE THAT ITEM UP, AND THEN WE CAN ASK, UH, BOTH THE CHIEF AND THE SHERIFF QUESTIONS AS WE, UM, DEBATE THAT RESOLUTION.

SO IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE THAT UP, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE DISAPPROVE, UH, UH, TO, UH, MOVE ITEM NINE, NEW BUSINESS UP TO NOW.

I MAKE THAT MOTION.

MR. MAYOR, WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

SO WE'RE GOING STAY WHERE YOU ARE.

WE'RE GONNA GO RIGHT TO ITEM NINE, AND THAT'S A RESOLUTION FOR A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN JASPER COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY OF HARDY POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR MUTUAL AID.

THIS IS RESOLUTION 2025 DASH OH THREE DASH 20 A.

UH, MR. GRUBER, PLEASE.

UM, DOES THAT INCLUDE STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCIES TOO? BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE DRUG ISSUES AND, UH, TRAFFICKING AND ALL OF THAT STUFF GOING ON IS, SO WILL YOU HAVE STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCIES WORKING, UH, TANDEM WITH YOU GUYS? YES, MA'AM.

UM, THE CITY HAS HAD A LONG STANDING MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING FOR MUTUAL AID WITH JASPER COUNTY.

UM, THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT ARE THE SAME AS WHAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE PREVIOUSLY.

WE'RE JUST UPDATING IT NOW THAT WE'VE GOT NEW ADMINISTRATION AT THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE GOING FORWARD, UM, UNDER THAT NEW ADMINISTRATION.

BUT OTHERWISE, ALL THE OTHER REMAINING TERMS AND CONDITIONS ARE THE SAME AS CURRENTLY.

UH, UNDERSTOOD.

THANK YOU, MR. GRUBER.

UH, LET ME OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL NOW TO, UH, ADDRESS ANY QUESTION TO, UH, THE SHERIFF AND THE CHIEF, UH, REGARDING THIS RESOLUTION.

UH, MR. CARROLL, DO YOU WANNA LEAD US OFF, PLEASE? UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

UM, OVER THE YEARS, UH, UNFORTUNATELY SOMETIMES YOU HAVE HAD TO BACK UP EACH OTHER.

YOU NEED EACH OTHER.

SO I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, MR. WHITE.

I, I ECHO WHAT JOHN SAYS.

IT'S TERRIFIC, AND THAT'S THE KIND OF COOPERATION WE WANT TO SEE, AND IT LEADS TO GOOD THINGS, MRS. GUZMAN.

YEAH, I AGREE TOO THAT IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

BUT, UH, SHERIFF MAL FIRST, YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, THAT YOU BOTH ARE WORKING FOR THE SAME WITH THE SAME AGENCIES.

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THE, THE IDEA IS OBVIOUSLY WHEN, WHEN THINGS GET TO A POINT THAT MAYBE WE CAN'T HANDLE IT TOGETHER MM-HMM .

OR MAYBE THE INVESTIGATIONS GETS, GETS LARGER, THE NECESSARY, OR MAYBE IT'S A MAJOR CRIME SCENE OR A MAJOR HAZARDOUS TYPE SITUATION, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE, WE WOULD LOVE TO CALL IN, YOU KNOW, SAY SLED FOR INSTANCE.

THEY HELP US ALL THE TIME WITH CERTAIN THINGS, WHETHER IT BE FUGITIVES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WHERE WE MAY NOT NECESSARILY HAVE THE JURISDICTION OUTSIDE OF JASPER COUNTY OR OUTSIDE OF HARVILLE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL TURN THAT CASE OVER TO SLED OR SAFE.

AND THEN THEY, OBVIOUSLY, THEY ASSIST US.

AND THEN IF THERE'S ANYTHING MAJOR, UM, THAT THEY HAVE RESOURCES THAT MAYBE WE'RE LIMITED TO, THEN OBVIOUSLY THEY COME IN.

AND, AND SAME WAY WITH THE, WITH THE FEDERAL SYSTEM.

MR. MANN, I THINK THE MEMORANDUM SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, THE SIZE OF JASPER COUNTY AND HARDY V AND THE DIVERSITY OF BOTH REQUIRE COOPERATION NOT ONLY FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO FOR THE PROTECTION OF BOTH YOUR DEPARTMENT'S OFFICERS.

UM, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.

I THINK IT'S WORKED WELL IN THE PAST AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WELL IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

I, I KNOW THAT, UM, THIS MUTUAL AID, WE CAN CALL ON EACH OTHER TO HELP.

DOES THIS INCLUDE OR ARE THERE PLANS FOR, UM, WE ALL KNOW THAT DRUGS ARE A SERIOUS ISSUE FOR A DRUG TASK FORCE TO DEAL WITH A PROACTIVE ATTACK ON, ON CERTAIN AREAS OF OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT THE MOTELS? I DIDN'T SAY IT .

I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SAY MOTELS OR EXIT FIVE.

I DIDN'T SAY ANY OF THAT.

I SAID DRUGS.

I THINK ME AND YOU WORKED TOGETHER LONG ENOUGH.

I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE GOING THERE.

YES SIR.

IT DOES.

UH, OUR MAN, WE HAVE OUR DRUG AGENT WITH OUR DEPARTMENT IS GONNA WORK WITH A, THEIR TEAM ALSO, BUT OUR GUY IS GONNA WORK MOSTLY IN HARDY V AND WHEN WE NEED THEIR, THEIR ASSISTANCE TO COME DOWN HERE AND WORK HARDY V WE'RE GONNA WORK HARDY V WHEN THEY NEED OUR ASSISTANCE TO GO IN THE COUNTY SOMEWHERE, WE'RE GONNA GO THERE.

UH, BUT YES, WE'RE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE HELP THROUGH SOME KIND OF DETERRENT ON OUR MOTEL PROBLEM.

I, I'M THINKING MORE AND I, I, I WELCOME YOU BOTH TO BE PROACTIVE AND HAVE, UH, PLANS TO, UH, NOT JUST WAIT FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN, BUT HAVE SOMETHING HAPPEN TO THEM.

I GOT MY, MY HEAD INVESTIGATOR RIGHT BACK HERE.

JESUS.

WELL, ONE THING.

ONE THING, AND YOU HAVE A GOOD MAN BACK THERE.

ONE THING CHIEF AND I TALKED ABOUT, I WE KNOW IN YEARS PAST WITH OTHER, OTHER TASK FORCE OR AGREEMENTS, UM, THAT OFTENTIMES AGENCIES WILL PUT AN OFFICER OR MAYBE MULTIPLE OFFICERS ON THE TEAM, HOWEVER, THAT PARTICULAR JURISDICTION, JURISDICTION DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF, OF, UH, UM, THINGS HAPPENING IN THEIR PARTICULAR AREA.

SO THAT'S ONE THING WE, WE'VE CHANGED, WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN OUR MEETINGS OKAY.

THERE ABOUT HAVING THAT CHANGE.

AND KNOW YOU GUYS PAY A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, TIME AND MONEY AND RESOURCES TO A MAN TO BE ON THE TEAM.

SO WE WANT YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU REAP THE BENEFITS OF THAT AND VICE VERSA.

SO LIKE, AGAIN, UM, I KNOW THAT WE'VE KIND OF HAD TO PULL THE REINS BACK BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TRYING TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN SO WE CAN, WE CAN KIND OF BE PROACTIVE ABOUT THOSE THINGS.

WELL, I'VE HEARD YOU SPEAK AND I KNOW, UH, DRUG ENFORCEMENT IS, UH, A PRIORITY FOR YOU.

SO, UH, IT IS FOR US AS WELL.

AND I WISH YOU BOTH LUCK.

AND, UH, PUT 'EM OUTTA BUSINESS.

YOU DEFINITELY TRY, SIR.

AT THIS TIME, DOES ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE, UH, ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THIS RESOLUTION? I DO.

PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD.

MY NAME'S ASHLEY KOVA, AND I'M AT, UM, 8 4 9 PINE ARBOR.

SO, WITH THIS ISSUE RIGHT HERE, THEY'RE WANTING TO UP, YOU KNOW, FOR TO, TO LOOK AT DRUG AND, AND HAVE A TASK FORCE FOR THAT AND EVERYTHING.

BUT YET WE'RE GONNA INTRODUCE THAT ONTO OUR STREETS ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET WHERE THERE'S CHILDREN AND FAMILIES, AND THEY'RE GONNA BRING MEN THAT HAVE DRUG AND ALCOHOL PROBLEMS ONTO OUR STREET.

THAT'S A CONCERN.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO RESOLUTION 2025 DASH OH THREE DASH 20

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I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2025 DASH ZERO THREE DASH 20 A.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

NEXT WE HAVE PRESENTATION AND APPROVAL MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 6TH, 2025

[VII. PRESENTATION & APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE MARCH 6TH, 2025 MINUTES? BO CAN'T MAKE IT.

HE'S, HE HASN'T BEEN HERE.

UH, OKAY.

SO IT HAS TO COME FROM MY RIGHT SIDE.

MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.

NEXT WE HAVE ALL BUSINESS FIRST READING OF INORDINANCE TO ADOPT A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AMENDMENT SUBMITTAL FOR PARCELS.

[A. MARCH 06, 2025 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING]

UM, OH 45 0 64 0 60 0 61 0 63

[A. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AMENDMENT SUBMITTAL FOR PARCELS 042-00-06-045, 042-00-06-064, 042-00-06-060, 042-00-06-061 AND 042-00-06-063 TO BE KNOWN AS HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST (A PORTION OF THE WEST ARGENT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT) (2025-02-20B)]

TO BE KNOWN AS HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST, A PORTION OF THE WEST ORIGIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

THIS IS, UH, FIRST READING OF 2025 DASH OH TWO DASH 20 B.

MR. GRUBER, PLEASE.

WITH THE GEOTECH AS WELL AS THE DOT AND TYPICAL PAVEMENT LIFE IS 20 TO 25 YEARS NOW.

UM, I WOULD NORMALLY GIVE A CHRONOLOGICAL RECITATION OF ALL THE STEPS THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH GETTING TO THIS POINT, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH THAT NOW.

AND SO I WANNA LEAVE THE BULK OF OUR TIME TO KIND OF DIVE INTO, UM, THE NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AT THE LAST MEETING AND THE THINGS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS DONE TO ADDRESS THAT, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A SUFFICIENT TIME TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.

SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO BRIANNA AND ASK HER TO KIND OF TEE THIS UP FROM OUR STAFF SIDE.

WE GOT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT EXHIBITS AND EVERYTHING, AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO ACTUALLY, TO MR. NATHAN LONG.

MAKE SURE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER ALL THOSE STAFF IS HERE AS WELL TO HOPEFULLY PRESENT ALL THE EXHIBITS THAT WE HAVE.

SO THIS SOUNDS LIKE A HOT POTATO.

WHO WANTS TO CATCH 'EM? .

STAND UP.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR.

MEMBERS.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.

UM, SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING DI DILIGENTLY SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, UM, ALSO SINCE THE, THE WORKSHOP THAT WAS HAD.

UM, SO WANTED TO GIVE YOU A FEW UPDATES ON SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE, YOU HAD CONCERNS ON.

SO THE FIRST WAS THE SIDEWALK TO THE SCHOOL.

UM, SO WE HAD INITIALLY REACHED OUT TO THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT BACK IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.

UM, SO IT HAS TAKEN SOME TIME.

WE WEREN'T GETTING MUCH RESPONSE IN THAT REGARD.

UM, BUT KATIE ACTUALLY PROVIDED US, UM, WITH A CONTACT FOR ANDY CLO, CLOISTER MAN.

UH, HE WORKS WITH, UH, DAVIS AND FLOYD ENGINEERING FIRM.

UM, THEY HAD DONE SOME WORK FROM THE SCHOOL AND I, I DID TALK TO ANDREW AND HE PROVIDED ME WITH ANOTHER CONTACT.

THIS IS KIND OF THE HOT POTATO GOING ON, UM, OF JOHN CAMP SEAI.

AND I, I TALKED WITH JOHN AND HE'S ACTUALLY THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR FOR THE SCHOOL.

UM, SO HE'S SUBSEQUENTLY REACHED OUT TO THE SCHOOL AND GOT APPROVAL THROUGH THEIR BOARD TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH US ON THAT SIDEWALK LOCATION.

HE'S ACTUALLY LOCATED OUT OF TOWN, BUT WE'RE GO PLANNING TO MEET IN EARLY APRIL WHEN HE'S BACK IN TOWN.

UH, WE'RE GONNA GO OUT TO THE SITE.

THEY HAVE OTHER PLANS FOR THE SCHOOL EXPANSIONS WITH ALL FIELDS, ET CETERA AS WELL.

BUT WE'RE GONNA NEGOTIATE THE BEST PLACE FOR THE SIDEWALK TO CUT THROUGH WORK ON THAT TOGETHER.

THEY'VE GIVEN HIM KIND OF FULL REIGN TO TAKE THAT OVER.

UH, THE SECOND WAS THE DOT.

UM, WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THEM SINCE, UH, DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

UH, WE'VE MET WITH JULIE FLEMING, SHE'S KIND OF THE PERMIT COORDINATOR.

WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE ROAD OVERLAY, ALL, ALL THREE ASPECTS OF THE, THE PLAN THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED PRIOR.

UM, WE'VE ALSO SUBMITTED OUR TRAFFIC STUDY TO JOSH JOHNSON WITH THE DOT.

HE HAS TO PROVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY BEFORE WE CAN SUBMIT ACTUAL PLANS.

UH, WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM JOSH ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

WE'VE ADDRESSED THOSE, SENT THOSE BACK TO HIM.

UM, LET'S SEE.

WE SENT THAT BACK AT THE END OF FEBRUARY.

UM, AND I SENT ANOTHER EMAIL TO HIM TRYING TO SEE IF HE'S ADDRESSED THOSE YET, BUT HE HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM YET.

BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH THE D-O-T-D-O-T ON THAT.

ANOTHER QUESTION WAS KIND OF PAVEMENT LIFE, TYPICAL PAVEMENT LIFE.

WE SPOKE

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THERE WILL BE MAINTENANCE REQUIRED IN THAT TIME AS IT POPS, POPS UP.

UM, BUT THAT'S YOUR TYPICAL PAVEMENT LIFE FOR THIS TYPE OF ROAD SECTION, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO BUCK WALTER PARKWAY.

TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

AND THEN BRIAN, I BELIEVE HAS AN UPDATE ON PROPERTY OWNER SIX, WHICH WAS ON A DIFFERENT EXHIBIT, BUT I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHERE THAT IS.

IN THE DEAD MAN'S CURVE ON TEXAS STATE TOWARD RED DAMN ROAD.

A LOT OF BAD CURVE.

UH, BRIAN KIERNAN, UH, OKAY.

DEVELOPMENT.

UH, YES AS AN UPDATE.

UM, I ACTUALLY THINK THE HOMEOWNER IS HERE.

UM, MR. SWINDLE ISS HERE.

WE REACHED OUT TO MR. SWINDLE, MR. MR. SWINDLE AND ACTUALLY MET ON SITE TODAY.

UM, IT SEEMS ON THE, WE'RE COMING UP TO A, A MUTUAL AGREEMENT OF WHAT'S WHAT, HOW WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS IT.

IT SEEMS AT THIS POINT, THE BEST WAY IS TO WORK THROUGH SCREENING AND RELOCATION OF THE DRIVEWAY.

UH, THEY HAD A CONCERN ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THEY CAN TURN LEFT AND TURN RIGHT OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY, WHICH WE'RE DOING THAT.

THERE WAS ANOTHER CONCERN ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THIS, THE DRAINAGE DITCH IF IT WAS ON HIS PROPERTY OR IN THE D TWO.

EXCUSE ME.

UM, I YOU TALKING ABOUT SIX? YES.

BE 50% OF THE FUNDS UP TO THE CAP, OR IF THE PROJECT WERE TO COME IN LESS, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER MAY BE FOR THE ACTUAL COST OF CONSTRUCTION.

I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY I LOST YOU 'CAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE YOU OKAY, GO AHEAD.

RIGHT THERE.

SIX.

UM, THEY HAD CONCERNS.

THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY COULD GO TURN LEFT AND TURN RIGHT.

UH, WE WERE RELO WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT THEY CAN GAIN ACCESS.

UM, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL WHEN YOU GO ON SITE TO SEE EXACTLY 'CAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN SURVEYED YET.

UM, AS WE GO THROUGH AND IT'S SURVEYED, THEY ALSO HAD SOME CONCERN.

WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN TURN LEFT AND TURN RIGHT OUT OF THEIR PROPERTY.

UM, WE ARE WORKING WITH A SCREENING BEAUTIFICATION AND RELOCATION OF THE DRIVEWAY.

UM, THEY'VE GOT A FAMILY MEMBER THAT IS LIVING ON THE PROPERTY NOW.

UM, SO, AND THEN WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO LIVE THERE.

UM, WE ARE, THERE'S A DRAINAGE DITCH THAT GOES THAT MAY BE ON THEIR PROPERTY OR MAY NOT BE, WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE.

WE WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW WHEN IT'S SURVEYED.

UH, WE WILL GET THAT SURVEYED AND IF IT IS LOCATED ON THEIR PROPERTY, WE'LL WORK WITH DOT TO RELOCATE THAT OFF THEIR PROPERTY AND KEEP IT ON THE DOT PROPERTY.

UM, THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE HERE AS WELL AS THAT THERE'S A LARGE AREA, THE, THE MOST AMOUNT OF AREA WE CAN AS A BUFFER BETWEEN THIS TURN CIRCLE AND HIS PROPERTY.

AND WE DID MEET ON SITE AGAIN TODAY IN THE RAIN AND KIND OF PUT A VISUALIZE ON IT TOO AS WE WORK THROUGH THAT.

UM, I THINK THE OTHER LAST, ONE OF THE OTHER LAST LAST ITEMS, UH, WAS THE EXTERNAL ROAD FEES.

UM, I BELIEVE MR. GRUBER'S BEEN WORKING WITH YOU GUYS TOO.

AND WE'VE, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE PRESENTED, UM, A RECOMMENDATION OF, YOU KNOW, 50% OF THE EXTERNAL ROAD FEES, WHICH I THINK THAT ENDS UP BEING ALMOST 18, 18 POINT A HALF MILLION.

UM, YEAH, ALMOST 18 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.

UM, WE WOULD USE 50% OF THE EXTERNAL ROAD FEES AND APPLY 'EM TO THE COST OF ROAD A IMPROVEMENTS.

ANYTHING THAT IS ABOVE THAT 50%, WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT WAS BELOW.

LIKE, I'M JUST USE A ROUND NUMBER, LET'S SAY THAT'S $9 MILLION AND IT CAME IN $7 MILLION, WE WOULD ONLY USE $7 MILLION TO COVER THE COST.

THE ADDITIONAL $2 MILLION THE CITY WOULD AGAIN, UH, BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT.

JUST TO ADD TO THAT, SINCE BRIAN AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD ON GETTING THIS LANGUAGE KIND OF IRONED OUT, AND WE ARE, ARE DEFINITELY CONCEPTUALLY ON THE SAME PAGE.

SO I, I PUT TOGETHER THIS CALCULATION TO SHOW A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE, THE ANTICIPATED NUMBER OF UNITS AS WE STAND HERE TODAY AT FULL BUILD OUT, WE'RE ANTICIPATING TO BE AROUND 4,000.

SO WE'VE TAKEN THAT AND WE'VE PUT IN KIND OF AN ABSORPTION SCHEDULE BASED UPON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING TAKE PLACE TODAY IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF HOMES AND THE TIME THAT IT TAKES THEM TO COME ON BOARD.

SO BETWEEN SUN CITY, MARGARITAVILLE AND OTHER SIMILARLY SIZED DEVELOPMENTS, WE BELIEVE ABOUT 200 UNITS A YEAR WOULD BE A REASONABLE NUMBER.

SOME YEARS IT MAY BE MORE, SOME YEARS IT MAY BE LESS.

BUT AROUND THAT.

AND THEN WE'VE APPLIED A 3%, UM, ADJUSTMENT FOR, BECAUSE THERE'S AN INFLATION FACTOR THAT'S BUILT IN.

AND AGAIN, IT MAY BE HIGHER, IT MAY BE LOWER, BUT WE'RE AVERAGING PROBABLY ABOUT 3% OVER THAT TIME.

SO WHEN YOU APPLY ALL THAT TOGETHER, WE'RE ANTICIPATING COLLECTING A LITTLE OVER 18 MIL OR $18.6 MILLION OVER THE LIFE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THEY'VE REQUESTED THE USE OF 50% OF THE OFFSITE ROAD FEES UP TO A CAP OF SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION, WHICH IS WHAT THE ANTICIPATED COST OF CONSTRUCTION IS.

AND SO IT WOULD

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I THINK WE'VE WE'RE SAYING THE SAME THING.

ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE I OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONING? NO SIR.

NO SIR.

UM, I THINK WE START WITH, UH, MR. MESMAN THIS TIME.

UH, FIRST I'M VERY GLAD, UH, TO HEAR THAT YOU ARE WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL TO KNOW THAT IT WILL HAPPEN.

JUST NOT, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GONNA BE, BUT THE SIDEWALK WILL HAPPEN.

UH, THE OTHER IS THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THERE, SIR, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WORKING WITH THIS WITH SO FAR AS IT'S, AS IT'S COME TO THIS POINT? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

EDWARD SWINDLE.

IT'S 1914 RED DAM ROAD IN THE CORNER.

UH, LOT SIX IS, WAS PRESENTED EARLIER.

UH, I'M IN COMMUNICATIONS WITH LK DEVELOPMENTS.

UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON SOME IDEAS TO TRY AND MITIGATE THE IMPACT TO THE PROPERTY.

I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS, UH, MAINLY WOULD BE, AS WAS STATED EARLIER, THE ABILITY TO TURN LEFT AND RIGHT OUT OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE LIMIT OF ACCESS TO MY PROPERTY.

UM, THE CIRCLE IS GOING TO TAKE, UH, ABOUT 90% OF THE POSSIBLE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.

UH, THE ONLY PLACE FOR A DRIVEWAY, UH, CURRENTLY THERE'S TWO, ONE IN AND ONE OUT KIND OF IN THE CENTER OF THE CIRCLE.

AND ONCE THE CIRCLE GOES IN, THE ONLY WAY I'LL BE ABLE TO, I'LL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT PROPERTY, WILL BE FROM THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO GIVE UP TWO ACCESSES DOWN TO ONE.

UH, BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER TO TRY AND COME UP WITH A RE RESOLUTION.

THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, MR. MAYOR.

MRS. GUZMAN.

UM, COUPLE QUESTIONS JUST TO REITERATE.

WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE WORKSHOP IS THE MM-HMM .

THE MAINTENANCE OF THE ROAD WAS, I KNOW YOU'VE, I SAW THE RED LINE VERSION AND I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT IS ACTUALLY GONNA HAPPEN.

OBJECTION, YES.

OH, AWESOME.

UM, THE SECOND ONE WAS THE CEMETERY.

I'M VERY CONCERNED FOR THE CEMETERY THAT THE FENCE IS GONNA GO AROUND IT AND WE ARE GONNA HAVE EGRESS AND INGRESS.

AND YOU SAID WE ARE GONNA HAVE A COUPLE OF PARKING SPOTS YES, MA'AM.

IN THERE.

UM, WHAT WAS THE TIMELINE FOR THAT? I DON'T RECALL US TALKING ABOUT THAT.

WE HAVE SUBMITTED READY AN IMP FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT AREA AND POD THAT REPRESENTS THAT.

SO AS SOON AS WE GET, I GUESS THROUGH THIS PORTION OF IT, YOU'LL BE THE I MPS WILL COME UP AND YOU'LL SEE THE DETAILS OF THE LAYOUT.

WE'VE ALREADY GOT IT ON OUR, ON OUR PLAN.

WE'RE SHOWING IT.

UM, AND AS WE WORK THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT AND THE INPS FOR THAT SECTION, THEN WE CAN TALK THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THE FENCING, THE LOCATIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND IT'S STILL GONNA BE A 50 FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? IT'S REPRESENTED, CORRECT.

50 50 FOOT BUFFER AND I THINK THERE'S FIVE, FIVE PARKING PLACES.

UH, WE ARE SHOWING FIVE PARKING PLACES.

UH, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, UM, THE TIMEFRAME FOR THE DUAL LEFT TURN LANES INTO THE EASTBOUND LANES OF 2 78 AND THE LIGHT, I MEAN, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME? AT WHAT POINT DURING THE DEVELOPMENT IS THIS GONNA HAPPEN? UM, THAT'S IN OUR TIA AND I THINK DOYLE HAS, YOU CAN INTRODUCE DOYLE.

HE'S PART OF THE THOMAS AND HUTTON TEAM, AND HE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

DOYLE KELLY WITH THOMAS AND HUTTON? YES MA'AM.

THE, THE DUAL LEFTS, UM, WILL GO IN, UM, BEFORE 2045 IS WHAT SHOWS IN THE, IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

YOU KNOW, IF TRAFFIC, UH, IS HIGHER AND THEY NEED TO GO IN SOONER THAN, AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD DEFINITELY DO.

ALL THAT INFORMATION IS IN THERE.

SO WHEN THE DUAL LEFT TURN LANE'S GOING IS WHEN YOU ANTICIPATE THE LIGHT, THE, THE LEFT TURN LIGHT'S GONNA GO.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE LEFT TURN LIGHT TURNING INTO HILTON HEAD LAKES.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LEFT TURN LIGHTS TURNING MAR ONTO 2 78 MAR YEAH, EASTBOUND GOING INTO MARGARITA MARGARITAVILLE.

YEAH, MARGARITAVILLE.

I MEAN I, THAT THAT WOULD, WHEN YOU GET DUAL LESS, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PROTECTED PHASE ON, ON BOTH SIDES.

UM, SO YES, THAT WOULD BE WHEN THAT WOULD GO IN.

AND YOU GUYS ARE PAYING FOR THAT, RIGHT? YES.

THAT IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PHASE? YES.

UM, ALSO ON THE RED LINE VERSION, ON PAGE 12 OF THE AGREEMENT, UH, IT SAYS THE FOLLOWING ISSUANCE OF THE THREE 3000 COO FOR THE WEST ARJUN WEST TRACT, IT DOESN'T SAY PLUS

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THE TWO YEARS.

UH, IS THIS A DEVIATION FROM THE ORIGINAL OR BECAUSE IT GOES BACK AND THEN FOLLOWS IT ON PAGE THREE SAYING 3000 COO PLUS TWO YEARS.

SO ARE WE BUTTONING THAT DOWN IN PAGE 12 OR DOES IT STILL, THERE'S A BUTTONS IT UP ON PAGE 13 FOLLOWING YOUR, UM, SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU AFTER TONIGHT'S MEETING.

UHHUH , THERE ARE A FEW SECTIONS AND I'VE GOT SOME CONDITIONS HERE.

UM, WE'LL HAVE TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER, THE, THE DA, THE ENTIRE ENT WEST DA ENCOMPASSED THIS ENTIRE PROPERTY.

AND THIS PIECE IS BEING CUT OUT NOW.

SO I THINK IT WAS COPIED, BUT WE JUST NEED TO CLARIFY THAT ONCE WE GET THAT UNDERSTANDING ON, ON HOW Y'ALL WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.

SO THAT, SO THAT THOSE, THAT'S GOING TO BE CLARIFIED BECAUSE ON 12, ON PAGE 12 IT SAID ONE THING AND PAGE 13 IT SAID SOMETHING COMPLETELY.

YEAH, IT REFERENCES THAT SECTION.

SO WE'LL GO THROUGH AND CLEAN IT UP AND MAKE SURE IT'S, UM, THE FULL LANGUAGE IS WRITTEN IN THERE.

NO QUESTIONS MR. CARROLL.

SO IT'S BUTTONS UP THAT 3000 PLUS TWO YEARS.

PRETTY WELL.

MY QUESTIONS GONNA BE ON PARCEL SIX AND I GUESS Y'ALL HAVE KIND OF ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS FOR THE RESIDENT THAT WAS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE SCHOOL.

I KNOW JOSH SAID YOU, YOU HAD MET WITH YES, SIR.

I, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

UM, I DID MEET WITH, UM, NANCY OUT AT HER PROPERTY ALONG WITH HER COUSIN WHO LIVES, UH, NEXT DOOR TO HER.

COOL.

AND, AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF HER CONCERNS WEREN'T ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

SHE'S GOT A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE ACCESS TO THE SCHOOL MM-HMM .

BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF HER DRIVEWAY.

AND SO I LET HER KNOW THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS WORKING ON SOMETHING WHERE IT MAY RESULT IN MODIFICATIONS OR, UH, MOVING IT.

AND SO I'VE TOLD STAFF AS THAT PROJECT COMES FORWARD, WE'LL BE ABLE TO BE VERY SENSITIVE TO HER AS A PART OF THAT PROJECT AND NOT NECESSARILY THIS ONE.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, I, I WOULD LIKE TO COMPLIMENT EVERYONE STARTING WITH THIS COUNCIL, OUR STAFF, UM, THE, AND THOMAS AND HUTTON LK DEVELOPMENT.

I KNOW THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF MEETINGS, A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH AND, UH, A LOT OF ANGST I'M SURE, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE'S PART.

BUT, UM, THIS IS ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE COUNCIL, UM, ASKING TOUGH QUESTIONS, GETTING, UH, GOOD COOPERATION.

AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE, UM, APPLAUD.

AND AS A RESULT, WE HAVE FAR LESS QUESTIONS TODAY BECAUSE WE'VE GRILLED YOU PRETTY GOOD IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS.

AND IT'S ALSO A QUE IT'S A RESULT OF YOU ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS HERE IN PUBLIC.

UM, AND, AND SO I, I APPLAUD THAT.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M GOING DOWN ALL MY LIST THAT EVERYTHING'S DONE.

WE HAVE THE RESIDENT, UM, THE EXTERNAL ROAD FEES, WHICH I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, MRS. GUZMAN ASKED ABOUT THE CEMETERY, UH, AND I SEE THAT'S ALMOST NINE TENTHS OF AN ACRE.

AND, AND THAT WILL BE, UH, PROTECTED OF COURSE FENCE.

UM, I HAD THE SIDEWALK TO THE SCHOOL HAS BEEN DONE.

UM, WE HAVE, UM, THE, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE MASTER PLANS YET, THAT'S NOT THIS POINT, BUT, UH, I WOULD JUST CAUTION YOU OR TELL YOU THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR ACTIVE OPEN SPACES THAT IF THESE ARE, UH, FAMILY COMMUNITIES, THAT WE CAN TURN THEM WITH THE DA FEES INTO PLAYGROUNDS.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN YOU COME WITH MASTER PLANS THAT YOU LEAVE SPACE FOR FAMILY PLAYGROUNDS.

'CAUSE I'LL BE ASKING ON THAT.

AND I THINK I HAVE THE SUPPORTIVE COUNCIL ON THAT.

WE'LL FIND OUT.

WE, BUT WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR ACTIVE OPEN SPACES BE LEFT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA ADD ANOTHER ELEMENT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ZIP LINES AND SWINGS.

YOU WANT ZIP LINE LINES? ZIP LINE, ZIP LINE, ZIP LINE, MR. MAY I GOT THIS ZIP LINE THING.

COMPLETED SOMEWHERE, THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE COMPLETED SOMEWHERE AROUND JULY 12TH, 2030.

NOW LET'S, LET ME JUST CLARIFY, GET THE, THE ROAD, THE, THE DA SCHEDULE UP AGAIN BASED ON THE EXHIBIT B TWO THAT YOU GAVE US AT A PREVIOUS MEETING.

THE, UM, THE, THE ROAD A WILL BE

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YES, THAT'S RIGHT.

IT WAS ABOUT FIVE YEARS, THAT'S RIGHT.

YES, ABOUT FIVE YEARS.

SO THAT WILL BE PAID FOR OUT OF THE 50% COMING HERE, CORRECT? YES.

IS THAT YES, WE WILL, WE WILL ABSORB THAT AND START IMMEDIATELY ON THAT PROJECT.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS GOING TO, THIS 18 MILLION IS GONNA TAKE TO 2045, BUT YOU'RE GONNA COMPLETE ROAD A AT 2030 WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE NINE, $9 MILLION COLLECTED.

WHAT'S NOT ON THIS, AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, IS IMPROVEMENTS TO RED DAM ROAD, WHEN DOES THAT TAKE PLACE? INCLUDING THE ROUND, WELL, THE ROUNDABOUTS PART OF ROAD A.

AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS TO RED DAM, INCLUDING, UH, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE INGRESS AND EGRESS AT THE THIS GENTLEMAN'S HOUSE.

UM, WHEN IS THAT GOING TO TAKE PLACE AND HOW IS THAT BEING PAID FOR? THAT IS ALL LOOPED ROAD A IMPROVEMENTS ARE THE THREE COMPONENTS.

IT'S THE, IT'S ALL.

SO THIS, THIS SCHEDULE INCLUDES THE IMPROVEMENTS TO YES, MA'AM.

RIGHT THERE.

IT'S DEFINED THE, THAT WAY.

THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY.

'CAUSE IT, IT JUST SAID ROAD A I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT INCLUDED EVERYTHING.

IT'S BEEN A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE ROAD A HAS CHANGED.

I CAN'T WAIT TO CHANGE THE NAME OF ROAD A TO SOMETHING ELSE , BUT BECAUSE ALL THE DOCUMENTS YEAH.

REPRESENT AND REFLECT A ROAD, A NAME OF NOMENCLATURE, UH, WE'VE KIND OF MOVED FORWARD WITH THAT.

BUT JUST FOR EVERYBODY, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, TO KNOW THAT WE ROAD A QUOTE UNQUOTE ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE ROAD, DEB RED DAM IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT INTERSECTION, UH, BRICKYARD AND RED DAM.

YEAH, I GET A NEW NAME AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.

UM, IT HAUNTS ME AT NIGHT.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD.

I THINK MY CHECKLIST HAS BEEN, UH, CHECKED OFF AND I, AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, AND I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

UM, SO AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

WOULD ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING, UH, THIS IS ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH TWO 20 B.

KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS THE FIRST READING.

THERE WILL BE A SECOND READING IN, IN, UH, FIRST THURSDAY IN APRIL, UM, BEFORE IT BECOMES LAW.

HAVING SAID THAT, THAT THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO COME FORWARD.

[PUBLIC HEARING]

KATHLEEN DECOURSEY.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING, UM, ON THE PROJECT OF THE CEMETERY.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE PROTECT THESE.

I REALLY DO APPRECIATE MAKING SURE THAT THAT CEMETERY IS PROTECTED.

THE OTHER THING, UM, THERE IS THREE OTHER SENSITIVE SITES UP FROM THAT RE THAT CULTURAL SURVEY REPORT.

ARE THOSE GONNA BE FENCED IN AS WELL? NATHAN, YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT? YES.

I, I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFICS WITH ME TONIGHT, UM, BUT WE CAN BRING THAT TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

THERE'S A, THERE'S A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT THAT DISCUSSES, THERE'S ACTUALLY, UM, ALSO, UH, COVENANTS THAT ARE IN PLACE AND RECORDED THAT DESCRIBES WHAT'S GONNA BE DONE WITH EACH SITE.

WOULD YOU PLEASE, UH, WHEN YOU FORWARD IT TO THE CITY, INCLUDE MS. DE CORSI AS PART OF THE CCS SO THAT SHE CAN, UH, REVIEW THAT TO HER SATISFACTION? WE, YES, WE WELCOME HER INPUT AND THANK HER FOR THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC? OH, SEEING NONE.

I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH TWO DASH 20 B.

MR. MAYOR, IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD GETTING HERE, , A LONG ROAD.

A LONG ROAD, A LONG ROAD A BUT I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ON FIRST READING ORDINANCE 2025 DASH TWO DASH 20 B.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

ALL POST.

PARTIAL RESTATEMENT AND AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HARDY LK DEVELOPMENT GROUP AND LENNAR.

FIRST READING IS PASSED.

THE SECOND READING IS APRIL 3RD, FOURTH, SOMEWHERE APRIL 3RD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UH, COOPERATING WITH THIS

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NEXT WE HAVE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE THIRD

[B. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE THIRD PARTIAL RESTATEMENT AND AMENDMENT TO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, LK DEVELOPMENT GROUP, LLC ("LK") AND LENNAR CAROLINAS, LLC (“LENNAR” AND TOGETHER WITH LK DEVELOPMENT GROUP, COLLECTIVELY “OWNER”) OF THE LAND WITHIN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE "HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST TRACT”]

AND TOGETHER WITH LK DEVELOPMENT GROUP COLLECTIVELY OF, UH, OF THE LAND WITHIN THE CITY OF HARDY, COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE HILTON HEAD LAKES, UH, WEST TRACK.

MR. GRUBER, THAT THIS IS RELATED TO WHAT WE JUST DID.

WOULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW IT IS RELATED? YES, SIR.

UM, SO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SETS FORTH ADDITIONAL UNDERSTANDINGS BETWEEN THE PARTIES AS TO HOW THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE APPROVED NOW IN LINE WITH THE PDD THAT YOU JUST RECENTLY APPROVED, UH, A MOMENT AGO.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING IN HERE WORTH POINTING OUT THAT'S REALLY ALL THAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.

UH, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU OR COUNSEL MAY HAVE.

UM, COUNSEL, UH, ALTHOUGH I THINK WE ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GONNA GIVE YOU ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, FOR THIS, UM, PDD MR. CARROLL, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.

MR. WHITE? NO, SIR.

MRS. GUZMAN? UM, AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE ROAD MAINTENANCE THING AND THEN ALSO THE 3000 CERTIFICATES SQUARED AWAY, UH, IN THE DA AGREEMENT? YES, MA'AM.

SO, UM, I CAN GO OVER THE, THE UNDERSTANDINGS WE HAVE THAT ARE LEFT TO BE CLARIFIED IN THE LANGUAGE.

WE, WE KNOW WHAT YOU WANT, BUT WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THE LANGUAGE OF THE DA IS IN LINE WITH THAT.

SO FOR LAKESIDE BOULEVARD MAINTENANCE, WE HAVE THAT LK IS RESPONSIBLE FOR FIXING DAMAGE WHERE TEAR DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION, UM, REGARDLESS OF THE OWNERSHIP OF THE ROAD, AS LONG AS THEY USE IT FOR CONSTRUCTION PURPOSE ACCESS THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, UM, REPAIRING THAT DAMAGE DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION.

UM, THE ROAD A REIMBURSEMENTS IS FROM THE OFFSITE FEES IS CAPPED AT 7.5 OR THE ACTUAL COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION WHICHEVER'S LESS AND IT'LL BE FROM 50% OF THE FEES.

UM, THE ROAD A OWNERSHIP, UM, THAT LIKE YOU SAID, IS NOT UNTIL YOU HAVE 3000 UNITS IN HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST PLUS THE TWO YEARS.

GOOD.

SO 3000 PLUS THE TWO YEARS, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE STANDARD, UM, TO HAVE THAT INDEPENDENT ENGINEER COME AND DO THAT EXAMINATION OF THE ROAD TO MAKE SURE THAT USEFUL LIFE IS STILL WITHIN THE STANDARD OF ACCEPTANCE AS WELL.

UM, THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE LAKESIDE BOULEVARD INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.

WE'LL HAVE THE 3000 PLUS THE TWO YEARS ON THAT ONE.

UM, I HAVE A NOTE THAT THAT'S GONNA BE FOR HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST AS WELL.

UM, ONE QUESTION ON THERE.

THE ENCROACHMENT PERMIT FROM SC DOT, WHAT DOES THAT ENCROACHMENT PERMIT SAY? WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INTERSECTION? FOR THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS? YES.

I BELIEVE, UM, LK IS DOING THOSE, BUT I'M NOT, I I PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THAT ENCROACHMENT PERMIT SAYS.

WE CAN FIND OUT THAT ANSWER FOR YOU.

IF ONE OF THE PLANNING STAFF OR ONE OF THE ENGINEERS KNOWS THAT ANSWER, I DON'T HAVE, I NOT WE HAVE TO REFERENCE IT.

MR. MANN, I THINK STAFF, UH, THE DEVELOPER HAVE ANSWERED ALL, ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS I MAY HAVE.

UM, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION SINCE THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WE HAVE IN THERE.

UM, IMPACT FEES FOR POLICE FIRE.

UM, I, I WAS TRYING TO PULL IT UP HERE, I DIDN'T HAVE IT, BUT WHAT, WHAT CATEGORIES DO WE HAVE? DO YOU KNOW? YES.

UH, OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD.

POLICE, FIRE, FIRE, UM, I THINK WE WERE AMENING IT TO COMM SCHOOLS, COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY FACILITIES, PARKS, AND THAT SHOULD BE IT.

SO WE HAVE COMMUNITY FACILITIES AND, AND THE PARKS IN THERE.

SO PREVIOUSLY THAT HAD BEEN LIBRARIES, BUT WE'VE EXPANDED THAT JUST TO COVER A BROADER RANGE OF PUBLIC FACILITIES.

I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IF THE COUNCIL DOES WANNA PUT SWING SETS IN THERE AND STUFF THAT WE HAVE THAT IN THE, IN THE FEE AGREEMENT.

THAT'S THAT ZIP LINES.

ZIP LINES AND .

THEY'RE REALLY COOL.

IF YOU GO TO THAT PARK, THAT LITTLE ZIP LINE WAS, UH, IF I WAS A A LITTLE YOUNGER, I MAY HAVE BEEN ON IT.

I'LL PAY TO SEE .

UH, OKAY.

THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE.

DOES ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

[PUBLIC HEARING]

SEEING NONE.

CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.

THIS IS ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH TWO DASH 20

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MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE 2025 DASH ZERO TWO DASH 20 C.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND BY MR. CARROLL? YES, SIR.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, COUNSEL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

ALSO IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

DISTRICT AMENDMENT SUBMITTAL FOR PARCELS OH 4 0 60 0 3 0 2 TO BE KNOWN AS THE MORGAN TRACK.

SECOND.

READING IS ALSO ON APRIL 3RD.

UM, NEXT WE HAVE THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT

[C. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AMENDMENT SUBMITTAL FOR PARCELS 041-00-04-004, 041-00-04-060, 041-00-04-003 & 041-070-6-002 TO BE KNOWN AS MORGAN TRACT (2025-02-20D)]

THIS IS 2025 DASH OH TWO DASH 20 D.

MR. GRUBER, PLEASE.

UH, STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE CONCERNS.

UM, THE ONLY ONE THAT I WOULD CALL OUT NOTE JUST BECAUSE I'M I'M WORKING ON IT PARTICULARLY MYSELF, IS THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE SCREENING OR REPLANTING A VEGETATION IN THE AREA, UM, WITHIN THE MARGARITAVILLE COMMUNITY THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE IDENTIFIED WETLANDS AND DOES NOT HAVE THE EXISTING BERM THAT RUNS THROUGH THE REST OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THAT IS THAT THE HIC MORGAN GROUP HAS AGREED TO PAY FOR THE COST OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE LANDSCAPING, THE, IN THE COST OF THE DESIGN.

I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.

THEY HAVE PROPOSED A VERY AGGRESSIVE AND DENSE REPLANTING, UH, IN THAT AREA OF SPECIES THAT WILL, WHEN MATURED WILL WORK TOGETHER TO FUNCTION AS WHAT I'M CALLING A LIVING FENCE.

UM, AND THAT WILL HOPEFULLY ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THE NEIGHBORS WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY.

I HAVE BEEN PROVIDED WITH THE CONTACT INFORMATION OF THOSE NEIGHBORS.

AND FOLLOWING THIS MEETING, WE'LL BE REACHING OUT TO THEM TO OFFER UP A, UH, MEETING WITH THEM TO SIT DOWN AND REVIEW THOSE PLANS AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT THEY MAY HAVE.

BUT BEYOND THAT, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A NUMBER OF OTHER QUESTIONS, SO I'LL TURN IT OVER.

I'M ASSUMING I'M JUST GONNA TURN IT STRAIGHT OVER TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

THAT SOUNDS GREAT.

PERFECT.

, I'M ROB BRANDON.

I REPRESENT HIC MORGAN AND I HAVE, UH, WITH ME ANDREW LONG AND LAMAR MERCER FROM THOMAS AND HUT AND JENNIFER BE OUR ENGINEER.

UM, I THINK WE'VE RESPONDED TO ALL YOUR GOOD SUGGESTIONS OVER THE, THE LAST FEW WORKSHOPS.

AND THE ONLY TWO THINGS I HAD ON MY LIST THAT WERE STILL OUTSTANDING.

ONE WAS THIS, THIS MARGARITAVILLE, UH, AGREEMENT.

AND WE MET WITH THE MARGARITAVILLE OR TALKED TO THE MARGARITAVILLE REPRESENTATIVES ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

THEY MET WITH OUR LANDSCAPE PLANNER ON SITE TO DESIGN THE LANDSCAPING, UH, INITIALLY.

UM, AND, UH, JOSH HAD SOME, SOME GOOD SUGGESTIONS AND WE INCORPORATED ALL OF THOSE SUGGESTIONS.

SO WE THINK, THINK IT'S A PRETTY GOOD PLAN.

WE HAVE A, AN AGREEMENT, A REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE'VE SENT THEM.

AND, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT AGREEMENT AS LONG AS WE TELL 'EM WHAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT.

UM, AND I THINK I GAVE YOU A COPY OF THAT AGREEMENT AND I MEMORIALIZED OUR DUTY TO ENTER INTO THAT AGREEMENT WITH A STATEMENT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I, I HAD ON MY LIST, MAYOR, IS YOU HAD MENTIONED AT THE WORKSHOP ABOUT, UM, ALLOWING US TO USE THE PALM TREES AS REPLACEMENT TREES FOR HARDWOOD TREES AND UM, UH, REPLACING LIVE OAK TREES.

AND SO I'VE GIVEN YOU THE TWO PAGES FROM THE PDD WHERE WE'VE TAKEN OUT THAT SECTION THAT ALLOWS US TO USE PALM TREES COMPLETELY.

AND WE'VE ADDED SOME LANGUAGE IN THE OAK TREE SECTION TO CLARIFY THAT WE CAN ONLY TAKE THOSE OAK TREES IF WE HAVE A, A GOOD REASON.

UTILITIES, ROADS, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO THOSE WERE HOW WE ADDRESSED THOSE QUESTIONS THAT YOU RAISED AT THE MEETING.

UM, AND WE'LL TAKE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, BUT I THINK THOSE WERE THE TWO THINGS I HAD OUTSTANDING ON MY LIST.

MAYOR, IF I MAY, UM, THE PAGES I JUST HANDED OUT, MR. BRANDON HAD BROUGHT WITH HIM, THE RED LINE PAGES ARE THE SAME AS WHAT CAME IN YOUR PACKET.

THEY'RE JUST PRINTED COPIES FOR YOU.

UM, THE REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT I THINK HAS BEEN, UM, THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT.

SO THEY WANTED TO GET A COPY TO YOU, BUT THAT IS NOT A DOCUMENT THE CITY'S GOING TO EXECUTE.

THAT'S IT.

AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD HIGHLIGHT WITH THE REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT IS THAT THE AGREEMENT'S GONNA BE BETWEEN HIC MORGAN, WHO'S GONNA BE PAYING FOR IT, AND THEN THE LATITUDE AT HILTON HEAD ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS THE HOA CORRECT.

OF THAT COMMUNITY.

IT'S JUST US.

AND BEFORE I, UH, TURN IT OVER TO COUNCIL QUESTIONS, UM, I I WOULD LIKE YOU ALSO TO ADDRESS THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS THE MILLSTONE.

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WE HAD ASKED WHY DON'T YOU COME UP? SURE.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WILL COME AT THE, AT THE MEETING BECAUSE WE HAVE A, A ROAD THAT KIND OF GOES CLOSE TO MILLSTONE LANDING AND WE WANTED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS THAT WE HAD AGREED, UH, IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO PUT A 50 FOOT BUFFER ALONG WHERE THAT ROAD GOES.

AND IF THERE'S NOT A, IF THERE ARE NO TREES, IF THERE'S A BUFFER THERE, WE'LL PLANT IT TO THE EXTENT THERE ARE TREES AND WE'LL PRESERVE THAT BUFFER AND WE'LL DO THAT RIGHT AWAY.

SO AS SOON AS OUR TRUCKS START GOING IN THAT THEY WOULD HAVE, UH, THE PROTECTIONS OF THAT BUFFER.

AND THERE WERE ALSO SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT DRAINAGE.

AND WE TALKED AT THE WORKSHOP ABOUT HOW WE HAVE OVERSIZED OUR CULVERTS GOING UNDER OUR ROADS COMING FROM MILLSTONE LANDING TO ACCEPT A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD.

UH, WHICH IS, IS IS WAY MORE THAN WE WOULD TYPICALLY DO SO THAT WE, ANY WATER COMING OUTTA MILLSTONE LANDING WILL HAVE A PLACE TO GO.

NOW WE, WE CAN'T GO INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND, AND FIX PROBLEMS THAT ARE THERE, BUT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ACCEPT ANY STORM WATER THAT COMES OUTTA THERE.

SO THAT BUFFER, UH, ALONG MILLSTONE IS A 50 FOOT UNDISTURBED BUFFER.

WE, IT, IT IS A 50 WHERE IT'S 50 FOOT UNDISTURBED WHERE THERE ARE TREES, BUT THERE'S SOME PLACES WHERE THERE'S JUST A ROAD.

AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUILD A BUFFER THERE MM-HMM .

AND PUT TREES.

SO YOU'LL BUILD A BUFFER WHERE THERE ISN'T ONE WHERE THERE ISN'T ONE.

AND YOU'LL MAINTAIN 50 FEET WHERE THERE ARE TREES.

ON THAT NOTE, I WILL, WHOSE TURN IS IT? UH, JOHN? YES.

I THINK, UM, THE MAYOR PRETTY WELL ASKED WHAT I WANTED TO ASK, BUT I DO SEE ABOUT THE PALM TREES AND UM, I FEEL BETTER ABOUT THAT.

AND YOU CAN REPLACE 'EM WITH HARDWOODS AND UM, 'CAUSE THE PALM TREES WOULDN'T SURE.

I WOULDN'T EXACTLY BE AND THAT, UM, YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING TO MILLSTONE, UM, THE PEOPLE IN MILLSTONE, CORRECT? WE HAVE NOT BEEN TALKING TO THEM, BUT WE DID RESPOND TO THEIR CONCERNS.

THEY, THEY APPEARED AT PRIOR MEETINGS, SO OKAY.

WE HAD ADDED STUFF TO OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERN.

TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS, YES.

I JUST, 'CAUSE THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT THING.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S IT THEN, UNLESS MR. MAYOR SEE SOME PEOPLE FROM MILLSTONE IF LATER ON THEY WANT TO WE'LL, IT'S YOUR DISCRETION.

YES SIR.

WE'LL, UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

THAT'S IT.

MR. WHITE, I THINK JOHN HIT ON THE KEY POINTS AND I YOU HAD ANSWERS THAT WORKS UP A LITTLE BIT.

THIS IS GUZMAN.

SO I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I KNOW WE TALKED AT GREAT LENGTH, UH, AT THE WORKSHOP ABOUT THE FLOODING ISSUE AND ALSO AT THE VERY BOTTOM WHERE THE SPINE ROAD COMES, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE YOUNG MAN SAID THAT THE CULVERT WAS THE, THE LARGER CULVERT WAS GONNA COME IN TO PUSH ALL THAT STORM WATER OUT.

IS THAT, IS THAT, DID I GET IT CORRECTLY? YES, MA'AM.

UM, YEAH, SO OUR, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UM, WETLAND CROSSING RIGHT DOWN THERE TOWARD THE SOUTH.

RIGHT WHERE, UM, KATIE'S POINTER IS THERE.

UM, YEAH.

UM, AND THAT, THAT CULVER CROSSING DOES HAVE A DRAINAGE AREA OF, UH, UPSTREAM THAT FLOWS THROUGH THERE.

SO, UM, WE'VE DONE A STORM WATER ANALYSIS OF THE WHOLE PROPERTY AND HAVE SHARED THAT WITH THE CITY AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE ASKED A THIRD PARTY ENGINEER TO REVIEW THAT.

UM, AND THAT CROSSING HAS BEEN UPSIZED UPSIZED TO YEAH, IT WAS, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A LARGE CROSSING.

SO I, I KNOW THAT SECTION OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT AS FAR, AND ALSO THAT'S PART OF THAT SECTION IN MILLSTONE LANDING FALLS UNDER THE SPECIAL FLOOD ZONE AE AND I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF SPECIAL APPROVAL FROM THE FLOODPLAIN MANAGER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THAT WHOLE SECTION IS PART OF THAT CORRECT.

THAT FLOOD ZONE AE YES.

YEP, THAT'S CORRECT.

AND, AND EVERY STEP IS GONNA BE TAKEN TO MAKE SURE THAT MILLSTONES NOT GONNA FLOOD AS WELL AS YOURS BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH EASIER TO PREVENT THAN TO FIX COR.

AND, AND AS A PART OF OUR SITE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE CITY'S ENGINEER, UM, IN, IN ADDITION TO THE FLOOD STUDY THAT WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED.

AND, AND AS FAR AS THE PONDS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE HAVING ON THERE, BECAUSE THE LAST TIME AT THE WORKSHOP YOU SHOWED ME QUITE A FEW PONDS IN THERE.

SO THOSE PONDS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE, THE DEPTH IS GOING TO BE IMPROVED UPON TOO.

SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OVER OVERFLOW ISSUES, OVER TOPPING ISSUES.

THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO REFLECTED IN THAT SAME FLOOD STUDY.

TO REITERATE THE 50 FOOT BUFFER OF UNDISTURBED, UH, PLANTINGS TREES THAT ARE THERE WILL REMAIN ALONG STRYKER ROAD ALL THE WAY THROUGH THERE.

THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE MR. MESMAN.

UH, FIRST, UM, THANK YOU GENTLEMEN.

UH, YOU'VE BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

JUST TO, UH,

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UM, THE UPSIZING OF THE PONDS THAT MS. GUZMAN HAS ALLUDED TO WILL ENSURE THAT WATER WILL NOT BE OVER TOPPING AND FLOWING.

I GUESS THAT WOULD BE NORTH, UH, EAST THROUGH, UH, THE SUTTON PROPERTIES OR INTO THAT AREA, YOU, THAT DRAINAGE HAS ALL BEEN ADDRESSED.

AND THAT, UH, AGAIN, THAT, UM, DOWNSTREAM WE DID AN ENTIRE DRAINAGE STUDY THAT ENCOMPASSED BOTH UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM AREAS, UM, THROUGH THE LATITUDE SUTTON PROPERTY, UM, THROUGH THE CAR TRACK AS WELL, ALL THE WAY TO THE GREAT SWAMP.

SO IT, IT, IT DOES, UM, GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE TO, TO, UM, MAKE SURE WE'RE MEETING ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT I HAVE, AND I'D LIKE TO READ THIS IN SO IT IS ON THE RECORD TOO, IS IT'S ON, UH, ITEM C OWNER, MEANING HIC SHALL ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE LATITUDE AT HILTON HEAD ASSOCIATION ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY FOR REIMBURSEMENT OF THE COST OF INSTALLING LANDSCAPE BUFFER IN COMMON AREA LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF LOTS 1519 THROUGH 1527 LATITUDE, PHASE FOUR, THE CITY OF HARDY, JASPER COUNTY.

THAT THAT IS CORRECT.

YOU AND YOU AND THE CITY MANAGER ARE WORKING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN THEN? THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SIR.

UH, YEAH, SURE.

GO AHEAD, .

UM, ONE MORE QUESTION, UH, GENTLEMEN, WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THOSE ? THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE, UH, MAINTAINED BY THE, THOSE ARE GONNA BE PUBLIC ROADS EVENTUALLY, BUT INITIALLY THE ASSOCIATION OR THE DEVELOPER WILL MAINTAIN THOSE UNTIL, UNTIL THE, UNTIL THEY GET DEDICATED TO THE, TO THE CITY.

AND THAT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE PAPERWORK LISTED SOMEWHERE.

IS THAT SPELLED OUT IN THE PAPERWORK? YES.

DO WE HAVE A TIMEFRAME ON THIS? UM, THE TIMEFRAME IS SPELLED OUT IN THE AGREEMENT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I RECALL IT OFF THE, THE, THE TOP OF OUR HEADS, BUT IT IS OUTLINED IN THERE AS, AS FOR WHEN THAT'S SUPPOSED TO OCCUR.

AND I, THE, THE, THE BIGGEST THING FOR ME IS IT'S AFTER CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES HAVE CEASED .

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

I HAVE MY LITTLE CHECKLIST THAT, UH, WE USED LAST TIME.

UM, NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THE, THE BUFFERING IS TAKING CARE OF THE, UM, 50 FEET FOR, UH, MILLSTONE HAS TAKEN CARE OF THE FLOODING ISSUE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.

AND ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT, UM, MRS. GUZMAN TALKS ABOUT AE OKAY, NOW THE CITY REQUIRES A TWO FOOT BUILDUP.

OKAY? THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S STANDARD MZDO ORDINANCE, UM, AE, IF ALL IS CORRECT, AE WILL REQUIRE FLOOD INSURANCE.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? SO ANYBODY WHO HAS A MORTGAGE, THEIR MORTGAGE COMPANY WILL REQUIRE FLOOD INSURANCE.

UH, PRESERVE A, AN OAK, IF THIS COVERS IT ALL, WE, WE PRETTY MUCH, HEY, OH, PUBLIC SAFETY.

BUT IT'S NOT OKAY.

WHEN YOU GET THE BILL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, TRUST ME, I'M, I'M AE SO I CAN, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.

UM, THE PALM TREES ARE TAKEN CARE OF.

THE, THE ONLY THING I'M, I'M STILL A LITTLE UNEASY ABOUT, AND THIS IS THE RED LINE VERSION, SAYS LIVE OAKS MAY NEED TO BE CUT TO ALLOW FOR UTILITY INSTALLATION, ROAD CONSTRUCTION, FILL REQUIREMENTS, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, AND TO ADDRESS LIFE SAFETY ISSUES.

AND THAT IS, UM, APPLIES TO, UM, THAT OVER THE, WHAT'S THE DIAMETER THAT HAS TO BE PRESERVED? EIGHT INCHES, FIVE, EIGHT INCHES, EIGHT INCHES, SEVEN INCHES.

WAS IT? EIGHT? EIGHT, EIGHT.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING, THIS LANGUAGE BASICALLY GIVES CAR PLUNGE.

I MEAN, YOU COULD FIND, YOU COULD FIND ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT JUSTIFY TAKING DOWN A LIVE OAK THAT'S 12 INCHES IN DIAMETER.

I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

SO, AND I UNDERSTAND THE CLEAR CUTTING CONCEPT, BUT THIS IS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIVE OAKS.

ON THE ONE HAND WE SAY YOU CAN'T DO MORE THAN EIGHT INCHES.

AND ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU PRETTY MUCH, THERE'S NO OTHER REASON YOU COULD FIND TO, TO,

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GOD, YOU COULD DO ANYTHING UNDER THAT.

SO, MAYOR, TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS, A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE, I BELIEVE THE LANGUAGE, THE AGREEMENT THAT YOU'RE CALLING OUT APPLIES TO POD S SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY APPLICABLE TO THE ENTIRE AGREEMENT.

I SEE.

WHICH ONE, IT'S THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT IS, YEAH, THAT IS IN POD SI MEAN, YEAH.

AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS IS A PINE FOREST, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'RE NOT A LOT OF BIG OAK TREES OUT THERE, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE IN POT S AND THAT WAS WHY IT WAS PARTICULARLY PULLED OUT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A HOUSE THERE AND THERE'S SOME BIG OAK TREES AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PRESERVE OAK TREES ANYWHERE THAT WE FIND THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE BENEFICIAL TO THE PROPERTY.

BUT, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME RESTRICTIONS AS FAR AS WHERE THE ROADS HAVE TO GO 'CAUSE OF WETLANDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND WHERE THE UTILITIES HAVE TO GO.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE TRYING TO RESERVE SOME, SOME RIGHTS TO REMOVE THOSE IN THOSE SITUATIONS.

AND, AND LET ME ANSWER, APPRECIATE THAT, SIR.

BUT IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE AS I READ THIS, YOU'VE RESERVED ALL RIGHTS.

WELL, MAYOR, TO THAT POINT, LET ME, LET ME, I CONTINUE TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.

MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I'M GONNA LOOK TO STAFF HERE TO GET VALIDATION OF THIS, OUR NATURAL RESOURCE PRESERVATION STANDARDS ARE GENERALLY IN LINE WITH THIS, WHICH IS TO THE EXTENT THAT IT CAN BE PRESERVED, WE WANT IT PRESERVED.

BUT IF THERE'S A CONFLICT AS, UH, MR. BRANDON'S INDICATED THAT IF THERE'S WETLANDS ISSUES OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE WHERE THERE IS NOT AN OPTION TO ALLOW IT TO BE PRESERVED, IT IS UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT IT COULD BE REMOVED.

BUT THE MITIGATION OF THE REPLANTING WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE.

SO I, I WOULD NOT CHARACTERIZE IT AS CART BLANCHE TO JUST REMOVE IT BECAUSE YOU WANNA REMOVE IT UNDER ANY OF THOSE STANDARDS.

WE WILL STILL HAVE TO, AND WHEN I SAY WE STAFF, WE'LL STILL HAVE TO VALIDATE THOSE REQUESTS AND APPROVE THOSE REMOVALS.

AND SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT LIKE MM-HMM .

UM, SOMETIMES WE CAN REDUCE THE ROAD WIDTH MM-HMM .

IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE JUST FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

WE TRY TO WORK AROUND IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE FIRE MARSHAL IN THE ROOM.

THE ENGINEERS IN THE ROOM, PLANNING STAFF.

UM, CHRIS BOYD IS A CERTIFIED LANDSCAPE PROFESSIONAL IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA, SO HE'LL BE IN THE ROOM.

UM, YOU KNOW, SO EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT IT TO SAVE THESE TREES TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE.

IF THERE IS A REASON THAT THEY CAN'T SAVE THE TREES, THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE JUSTIFICATION.

AND IF STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE DOESN'T AGREE WITH THAT JUSTIFICATION, IT WOULD GO TO BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.

I, I'M NOT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT NINE INCH CHOKES.

THEY CAN BE REPLACED.

AND I MEAN, I HAVE, I HAVE A NINE INCH OAK IN MY FRONT YARD AND IT, IT'LL TAKE 30 YEARS TO, TO GROW.

SO, BUT WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT, I DON'T WANT THE JOHN CARROLL OAK THAT'S BEHIND HIS GRANDFATHER'S HOUSE.

THROWN DOWN.

I DO NOT WANT THOSE BIG OAKS TORN.

I DON'T CARE.

YOU HAVE TO, TO ZIG THE, THE ROAD AROUND.

AND I'M, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT ONUS ON, ON STAFF THEN NOT TO LET THAT HAPPEN.

BECAUSE ONCE WE SAY YES TO THIS, IT'S IN YOUR HANDS.

AND I THINK THE COUNCIL WOULD AGREE WITH ME THAT WE DO NOT WANT THESE BIG OAKS TURNED DOWN FOR ANY REASON OTHER THAN LIFE SAFETY ISSUES.

THIS IS ONLY POD S CORRECT? YES.

AND I, FOR EXAMPLE, WE DEALT WITH THIS OUT AT EAST AR ON A SITE AND, UM, WE HAD, WE HAD A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER THAT WANTED TO REMOVE SOME SIGNIFICANT LIVE OAKS AND THEY HAVE MAINTAINED THEM IN THEIR PLAN BECAUSE WE JUST HAD TO SHIFT A DRIVEWAY AROUND AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN.

THAT'S, THAT'S PARKER'S AT THE END.

REMEMBER THAT? AND THAT'S ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT I REMEMBER.

AND, AND WE SHOULD MAINTAIN THAT SAME CAUTION IF WE'LL, RIGHT.

THIS TIME, BECAUSE YOU WILL BE BACK FOR OTHER THINGS.

SO IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN PUT THE LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT CONFINES THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE TO JUST PART S IT IS ONLY PART S IT'S, SO WE BUTTON DOWN FOR PART S ONLY.

PART S.

PERHAPS I COULD, UM, I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF A WAY TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS.

AND PERHAPS WE COULD, UM, DEFINE REASONABLENESS, YOU KNOW, AS, UM, BY THE STAFF'S DISCRETION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO COME TO THEM AND SHOW THEM THAT WE HAVE, WE GOTTA PUT IT HERE 'CAUSE THERE'S A ROAD.

AND THEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, SORRY, WE DON'T THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE REASON TO MOVE IT OR NOT, YOU KNOW.

AND, UH, THAT MIGHT GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION.

AND PERHAPS PINA, COULD YOU PUT IN THERE, JUST ADD ANY, ANY, WHATEVER, ANY EXCEPTION WE WILL HAVE TO COME TO STAFF FOR APPROVAL.

SO YOU JUST CAN'T

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PULL THOSE IN.

IF YOU SEE ONE, YOU HAVE TO GO TO STAFF.

SO JUST PUT A, A ONE LINE ADDITION TO THAT.

YEP, WE CAN DO THAT.

UM, LET'S SEE.

WE JUST FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD, UH, NUMBER EIGHT WAS, UM, WE'VE REDUCED THE DENSITY FROM 6,700 TO 62.

IS THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S IN THE LANGUAGE.

UM, 3% WILL BE DEVOTED TO AN ATTAINABLE HOUSING PLAN THAT'S IN THE LANGUAGE.

UM, THE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M MR. SPLASH PAD AND ZIP LINE.

NOW, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, IN THE MASTER PLANS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ACTIVE OPEN STA SPACES.

AND, AND THE SAME QUESTION WE HAVE IN THE DEVELOPMENT FEES.

WE HAVE PARK MONEY SET ASIDE.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.

GOOD, THANK YOU.

UM, THE ONLY OTHER NOTE FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT I HAVE HERE IS THE TIMETABLE FOR THE SPINE ROAD.

WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT FOR THE SPINE ROAD TO BE, OH, NO, THERE'S TWO THINGS WITH ROADS.

NUMBER ONE, I ASKED ABOUT CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES HAVING A, UM, A, LIKE A TURNING LANE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO TURN OUT INTO 2 78.

HAS THAT BEEN ADDRESSED? YES, SIR.

WE, WE HAD PROPOSED HAVING, UM, UM, WE CALL 'EM TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT GUIDELINES, THAT WE WOULD'VE A PLAN THAT WE WOULD SIT DOWN WITH STAFF AND PREPARE BEFORE WE STARTED DOING THAT.

'CAUSE IT WOULD BE APPROVED BY DOT AND EVERYTHING.

WOULD ADDRESS THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS.

SO WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE AREAS SO THAT THERE'LL BE NO WIDE TURNS ONTO 2 78.

THEY'RE ALL GOOD.

MR. BOOT GO.

THAT'S, I I WAS GONNA SAY, WE CAN'T NECESSARILY GUARANTEE WHAT IT'LL BE, BUT WE KNOW THERE WILL BE A PLAN.

IT WILL BE A PLAN THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO US AND A PLAN THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO DOT.

THERE'S SOME SORT OF ROAD CRO THAT YES, SIR.

THEY CAN MAKE IT.

YEP.

THAT'S IT.

WE WANT 'EM THAT TRUCKS TO BE PARALLEL OR 2 78 BEFORE THEY GO ON TO TWO.

UH, AND THEN THE, UM, THE LAST THING WAS THE TIMETABLE FOR THE SPINE ROAD.

DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE THAT LAID OUT? LIKE, LIKE AND I, I THINK IT, IT, IT WAS 2000 UNITS BEFORE AND, AND THIS DRAFT, WE ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND HAD AN UPDATED TRAFFIC STUDY AND IT WAS REDUCED TO, I THINK I SENT THAT IN YOUR, UM, IN THOSE PAPERS IT IS 1300.

13 1300 HOMES.

AS LONG AS IT'S 1 3, 4 4.

SO IT'S IN, IT'S IN THERE.

AND THAT'S, THAT WAS, IT SAYS THAT, OR SOONER OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY REQUIRES IT SOONER, SO OKAY.

ALSO BE SUBJECT TO THAT.

YOU WENT DOWN MY CHECKLIST.

AND AGAIN, ONCE AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK YOU.

FIRST OF ALL, THANK THE COUNCIL FOR, THE COUNCIL DID A LOT OF STUDY ON THIS.

THEY ASKED VERY GOOD QUESTIONS, DEMANDED CERTAIN THINGS OF YOU AND, AND TO YOUR CREDIT AND STAFF'S CREDIT, YOU CAME BACK AND DID THIS CHECKLIST.

UH, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION.

I THINK WE HAVE A MUCH BETTER PRODUCT NOW THAN WE HAD A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO FOR YOUR BENEFIT FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS.

AND THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION IF I COULD ASK, 'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO HAVE IT.

SO THE FOLKS THAT WILL WATCH THIS LIVE OR LATER ON YOU, WE HAD TALKED BEFORE ABOUT YOU WILL HAVE LIMITED USE OF STRYKER ROAD UNTIL YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE, UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARY.

I BELIEVE THERE'S A CUTOUT THAT YOU WERE PLANNING ON USING COMING IN OFF OF 2 78 IN THE FIRST, YOUR FIRST RIGHT.

THAT YOU WOULD BE USING THAT AND YOU WOULDN'T GO FURTHER DOWN STRIKER ROAD UNLESS IT WAS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

IS THAT STILL PART OF THE PLAN? INITIALLY, WE'LL COME IN A ROAD BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO THAT TO BUILD OUR INITIAL ACCESS ROAD.

ONCE THE INITIAL ACCESS ROAD IS OPEN, THAT WOULD BECOME THE PRIMARY CONSTRUCTION.

AND PART OF YOUR, UH, TRAFFIC PLAN, I KNOW THE ORIGINAL ACCESS TO STRYKER ROAD UPON YOUR PROPERTY HAD BEEN SEMI ABANDONED FOR A LONG TIME.

IS THAT IN PROCESS THEN OF BEING, UH, REQUESTED WITH DOT? 'CAUSE IT'LL BE PART OF WHAT THE MAYOR HAD DISCUSSED AT THE TIME.

AND, AND, UM, WE'VE GOT THAT APPROVAL FROM DOT TO PUT IN THAT, UM, IT'S, IT IS A TEMPORARY ACCESS, SO IT, IT DOES HAVE TO GO AWAY.

UM, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

YOU ARE QUITE WELCOME.

ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THIS IS THE, UM, THE PDD, UM, THIS IS 2025 DASH OH

UM, AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

WOULD THE PUBLIC LIKE TO ASK

[PUBLIC HEARING]

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A, B, C, D.

MAYOR, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T LINE UP BECAUSE REMEMBER YOU TABLED THESE, SO THE NUMBER STAYED WITH WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY ON THE AGENDA.

KATHLEEN DECOURSEY, TON HALL ROAD, RIDGELAND, SOUTH CAROLINA.

SO THAT, THAT'S WHY THE USUALLY ITEM C WILL BE C.

BUT THESE, THESE ARE JUST A LITTLE BIT OFF BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN OFF.

SO THE, THE O2 DASH 20 D IS THE, IS THE CORRECT NUMBER? YES, SIR.

OKAY, GREAT.

DON'T CHANGE OUR ALPHABET ON US.

UH, TOTALLY LOST MY PLACE.

UM, SO JUST TO MAKE SURE, DOES ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND ASK THE QUESTION OR MAKE A COMMENT? GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

UM, I REVIEWED THE, UH, CULTURAL RESOURCE SURVEY.

THERE ARE THREE SITES, SIGNIFICANT SITES THAT WERE INDICATED AS POSSIBLY ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTER AND ALSO ANOTHER CEMETERY.

UM, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THE CEMETERY BEING, UM, FENCED OFF OR ANYTHING.

AND I, IT WAS HARD TO LOCATE THE ACTUAL CEMETERY, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE IN POD U, POD U, THE CEMETERY IS IN POD U.

THERE'S NOWHERE THAT SAYS WHERE THE, WHERE IT IS LOCATED.

I'M JUST, UM, YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

POD, THAT'S, THAT'S A CORRECT AREA? YES.

AND THEN THE OTHER THREE SITES LOOKED LIKE THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN POD F.

WHERE'S F? IT'S, UM, NO, NO, NO, IT'S SOUTH.

NO, NO SOUTH.

IT'S CLOSER TOWARDS PO P.

IN THAT, SORRY, MY GLASSES NEED TO BE .

I CHECKED THE REGISTER OF DEEDS.

I DID NOT SEE A DECLARATION OF PRESERVATION COVENANTS OR ANY OF THOSE SITES MUCH LIKE, UH, LK DID.

UM, SO I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE, THOSE ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES.

THEY DO HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANCE.

AND FOR HARDY V IT HAS MUCH SIGNIFICANCE.

PART OF THIS WAS THE HARDY FAMILY PROPERTY, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE PROTECTED AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET PROTECTION THAT THEY DESERVE.

ROBBIE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT PLEASE? YEAH.

THERE, THERE ARE THREE ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES AND WE WILL BE HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO RECORDING THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS ON THAT.

WE'VE BEEN NEGOTIATING THAT WITH, UH, SHIPPO AND THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS.

SO THAT DOCUMENT IS, IS DRAFTED AND ABOUT TO BE RECORDED.

SO THOSE ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES, I, I HONESTLY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE CEMETERY, BUT I'M SURE WE'LL DEFINITELY PROTECT A CEMETERY IF THERE'S ONE THERE.

SO, AND WHAT, WHAT MRS. MR. CORSI WAS REFERRING TO, UH, WITH THE LK SITE, WE PROTECTED THAT WITH FENCING AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS THE SAME PROTECTIONS ARE ARE ACCORDED TO HERE.

ACCESS? YES.

AND ACCESS.

AND THOSE THREE SITES THAT, OR THOSE THREE LOCATIONS YOU MENTIONED HAVE NOT BEEN MASTER PLANNED YET.

THOSE WILL HAVE TO COME IN AND THAT WILL BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR THE FENCING.

THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE TIME WHEN THE MASTER PLANS COME.

BUT WHAT, AT THIS TIME, WE WANT YOU TO COMPLETE, YOU KNOW, THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE SITES, UH, AND THE LOCATION, UH, WITH SHIPPER.

THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.

THEY, THEY'RE SURVEYED AND THE PERMIT WAS ISSUED AND EVERYTHING.

THEY JUST, THE COVENANTS WEREN'T RECORDED YET.

MR. CORSI, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER? NO, I'M GOOD.

THE WORKSHOP THAT WAS HELD EARLIER THIS MONTH, 50 FEET IS NOTHING I RECOGNIZE AND THANK THE DEVELOPERS FOR, AND FOR COMMITTING TO PLANTING THE BARE DIRT BEHIND MILLSTONE.

ANYONE ELSE WHO FROM THE PUBLIC WHO'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT OR ASK A QUESTION? GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

GOOD EVENING.

AINSLEY FAGAN 5 4 6 SAWMILL ROAD.

UM, FIRST I WANNA THANK THE COUNCIL.

UM, YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAIL ON THE DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA LATELY HAS NOT GONE UNNOTICED, AT LEAST NOT BY ME ANYWAY.

UM, SECOND, I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE MORGAN TRACK DEVELOPERS.

UM, WHILE I DO NOT AGREE WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE DEVELOPMENT, I DO APPRECIATE THAT Y'ALL ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE THIS DEVELOPMENT THE BEST THAT IT CAN BE.

AND I DO APPRECIATE AND RESPECT THAT FULLY.

UM, THIS IS NOW MY THIRD TIME SPEAKING WITH THE COUNCIL, AND I HAVE APPRECIATE EVERY OPPORTUNITY THAT I'VE HAD TO DO THAT.

UM, I WILL SAY, AS NOTED BY MANY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL IN

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UM, AS STATED IN THAT WORKSHOP, AND AGAIN HERE TONIGHT, HOWEVER, IT WOULD BE MY DESIRE THAT THERE WOULD BE AT LEAST A 75 FOOT BUFFER BEHIND MILLSTONE.

THOUGH I RECOGNIZED THE DIFFICULTIES IN, UM, DOING SO.

THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I ADDRESSED POTENTIAL ISSUES ON 46, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH LEFT TURNS OUT OF PINE ARBOR ROAD AND SAWMILL ROAD.

UM, I WAS PULLED ASIDE AFTER THE MEETING AND TOLD THAT THERE WERE STUDIES.

HOWEVER, I COULD NOT FIND ANY OF THESE STUDIES ONLINE OR ANYWHERE AVAILABLE.

I FIGURED THAT THESE WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE WORKSHOP.

UM, AND I DID NOT SEE THEM OR HEAR ABOUT THEM IN THE WORKSHOP ITSELF.

I ALSO WENT OVER THE 496 PAGE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UM, I DID NOT SEE IT ATTACHED AS AN EXHIBIT.

HOWEVER, I DID NOTE THERE WAS A SMALL SECTION THAT TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC ON 46.

MY CONCERN HERE IS, AGAIN, MILLSTONE LANDING ONLY HAS, IS ONLY GOING TO HAVE ONE TURN OUT OF IT.

UM, AND OF COURSE, PINE ARBOR ROAD IS ALSO GONNA WANNA BE MAKING A LEFT TURN ONTO 46 WITH ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GOING AROUND HARDY V.

UM, WITH THE 6,200 HOMES HERE, THE 4,000 OR SO HOMES IN HILTON HEAD LAKES, THE THOUSAND PLUS 2000 HOMES IN SOUTH POINT, THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE AT LEAST 16,000 EXPECTED VEHICLES ON THE ROAD THAT ARE GOING TO BE USING THESE ROADWAYS.

UM, AGAIN, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT 2 78 AND I REALLY JUST HAVE NOT HEARD ENOUGH ABOUT 46, ESPECIALLY FOR THE DEVELOPMENTS, UM, THAT ARE OVER THERE.

AND I HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT JAMESTOWN ESTATES, BUT THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE AS WELL.

AND I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THOSE, UM, IN LINE.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UM, I NOTED IN THE WORKSHOP, AND AGAIN TONIGHT THERE WAS A 3%, UM, HOME ALLOCATED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I REALLY WANNA COMMEND THAT.

HOWEVER, I WOULD ASK THAT MAYBE IT BE CONSIDERED TO GO UP TO 5%.

UM, THE LIVING IN THE COST OF LIVING IN HARDY V IS GOING UP.

INCREASINGLY, IT IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UM, AND IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF WE COULD WORK WITH THESE DEVELOPERS TO PROVIDE, UM, HOUSING FOR OUR TEACHERS, PUBLIC SERVANTS, FIRST RESPONDERS, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY SERVE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

AND AS ALWAYS, PUBLIC COMMENTS MAKES THE FIVE OF US SMARTER.

AND, UM, IT, IT GIVES US INFORMATION OR IDEAS THAT WE WOULDN'T NORMALLY, UH, OFTENTIMES DON'T COME UP UNLESS PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC COME AND, AND, AND HELP US THINK THIS THROUGH.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, I WOULD, UH, JUST AS A GENERAL COMMENT, UM, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN, WE HAVE NOT FINISHED THE DETAILS.

THE 3% IS MONEY ALLOWED, BUT THIS IS NOT THE ONLY, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT THE HOYER GROUP HAS DEVOTED 3% TO.

SO, UH, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, IT'S ON OUR LIST OF THINGS TO DO WHERE WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH A PLAN AND THIS MONEY WILL GO TO, UM, A PLAN FOR CITY EMPLOYEES, TEACHERS, NURSES, AND, AND OTHER, UH, ESSENTIAL WORKERS.

UH, BUT PARTICULARLY FIRST AND FOREMOST THOSE WITH THE CITY.

SO WE'LL HAVE THAT PLAN, BUT THIS, THIS WILL RESERVE MONIES TO, TO GO TOWARDS THAT.

UM, MR. GRUBER IS EVERYTHING ELSE THAT, UH, WAS ADDRESSED HERE, HAS THAT BEEN YES, SIR.

STAFF, THANK CARE STAFF IS GONNA BE ACTIVELY WORKING ON DEVELOPING, ESSENTIALLY IT'S THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UM, AND SO WE WILL WORK ON KIND OF FORMALIZING A PROGRAM, BUT CERTAINLY WANT TO COMMEND THE DEVELOPER.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T REQUIRE, UH, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEING VOLUNTARILY PROVIDED BY THEM AS A GOOD NEIGHBOR EFFORT.

AND SO JUST WANT TO CALL THAT OUT.

AND, AND AS WELL AS REDUCING THE DENSITY.

I MEAN, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE UNDERSTAND ARE NOT, UH, REQUIRED BY THE ORIGINAL PDD.

AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT THING IN, IN THE MASTER PLAN REQUIRING ACTIVE OPEN SPACES.

WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN ASKING, UH, AND THEY, THESE ARE ALL VOLUNTARY, UH, UH, THINGS THAT, EVERYBODY'S BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE TOO.

AND I'M SURE WHEN WE GET TO THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN, THAT TREND WILL CONTINUE.

UM, ANYWAY, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

[01:25:01]

UM, ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, UM, THEN I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO 2025 DASH OH TWO DASH 20 D.

THIS IS FIRST READING.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT 2025 DASH OH TWO DASH 20 D.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

0 0 0 0 4 0 60, TO BE KNOWN AS CAROLINA STATION AT MORGAN TRACK, TRACK BLOCK A LOCATED BETWEEN 2 78 AND SC 46.

NEXT, THIS IS THE SAME, UM, PDD, BUT THIS IS NOW A MASTER PLAN FOR PARCELS

[D. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT A MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL FOR PARCELS 041-00- 04-004 AND 041-00-04-060 TO BE KNOWN AS CAROLINA STATION AT MORGAN TRACT BLOCK A LOCATED BETWEEN US278 AND SC46 (MORGAN TRACT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT) (2025-02-20E)]

SO THIS NOW IS A MASTER PLAN FOR A SPECIFIC PARCEL WITHIN THE PDD, IS THAT CORRECT? MR. GRUBER? I'LL SEND IT OVER TO YOU.

UM, AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S CLARIFICATION PORTION, THE COMMENTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN KIND OF TWEAKING SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE THAT WAS DISCUSSED JUST NOW WILL GO INTO THE PDD ITSELF.

IT DOES NOT HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT ON THE MASTER PLAN, BUT YOU HAVE CHARACTERIZED THIS CORRECTLY IN THAT THE SUBMITTAL THAT YOU HAVE, UH, BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS FOR A PORTION OF THE PDD THAT WAS JUST APPROVED ON FIRST READING.

AND I WILL, UH, TURN IT OVER TO STAFF TO PROVIDE YOU WITH ANY KIND OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN.

DREW, DO YOU WANNA TALK THROUGH THE OPEN SPACE SINCE THAT JUST CAME ON? SURE.

UH, SO THE, THE MASTER PLAN, UM, IN FRONT OF YOU IS, IS REFERRED TO AS THE BLOCK, A INITIAL MASTER PLAN.

UM, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 840 ACRES.

UM, AND WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU HEAR IS THE OPEN SPACE PLAN FOR THAT.

UM, THE, UM, THE CURRENT PDD HAS A, HAS A VERY LOW OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT.

UM, I THINK CURRENTLY THE CITY OF HARDEE VILLAGE'S, MZDO HAS A 40% OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT.

UM, SO, OR I'M SORRY, I THINK IT'S A 25% OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT.

UM, WE ARE ACTUALLY PROPOSING 42% PERCENT OPEN SPACE.

UM, AND ALONG WITH SEVERAL ACTIVE OPEN SPACES, UM, WE, WE ARE REQUIRED BY THE, UM, BY THE PDD TO HAVE EIGHT.

UH, UH, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 8% ACTIVE OPEN SPACE.

UM, I BELIEVE THIS INITIAL MASTER PLAN HAS 12%, UM, ACTIVE OPEN SPACE.

SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOUR PARKS, TRAILS, UM, AMENITY AREAS, UH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, .

SO THOSE AMENITY AREAS ARE SHOWN IN, UH, THIS KIND OF PINK PURPLE COLOR HERE THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY THERE.

UM, THE BLUE LINES ARE SIDEWALKS, SO THERE ARE SIDEWALKS ALONG EVERY RESIDENTIAL AREA.

UM, THE ORANGE LINE IS A MULTI-USE TRAIL THAT WOULD GO, UM, ALL THE WAY ADJACENT TO THE SPINE ROAD, UM, FROM THE NORTHERN END AT US 2 78, ALL THE WAY SOUTH TO 46 JUST FOR, UM, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SEVERAL OTHERS.

UM, THEY'RE A LITTLE TOUGH TO SEE ON HERE, BUT KIND OF AROUND THE PONDS WE'VE GOT, UM, SOME OTHER TYPES OF TRAILS.

THOSE MAY BE LIKE MULCH TRAILS, UM, OTHER, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY AN IMPERVIOUS, UH, OR AN AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE TRAIL, UM, AROUND THOSE JUST FOR AESTHETICS AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

COULD YOU ALSO, UH, YOU POINTED OUT THAT LITTLE PALE PINKISH AREAS AS ACTIVE OPEN SPACES.

COULD YOU PLEASE TELL THE COUNCIL FOR EACH ONE WHAT THE ACREAGE IS? UM, SO FOR EACH ONE COMBINED THEIR NO, COMBINE EACH ONE.

EACH ONE.

I, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER WITH ME HERE TODAY.

UM, I CAN CERTAINLY GET THAT, UM, FOR THE NEXT READING.

UM, BUT OVERALL IT'S, IT'S 12% OF THAT 800 AND 840 ACRES.

TURNED INTO A PLAYGROUND.

UM, WELL, THAT'S WHY I ASKED, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT, UH, YOU KNOW, A TWO BY FOUR, I CAN'T EVEN GET A SWING SET IN THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY I, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION, UH, SO THAT WE HAVE IN EACH SECTION OF LARGE ENOUGH AREA THAT IT COULD BE

[01:30:01]

SURE.

AND, AND JUST TO REMIND COUNSEL, WE'RE ALSO DONATING JUST ACROSS ON THE OTHER SIDE 160 ACRES FOR PARKS AND OPEN AREAS.

AND THAT'S, UH, 86.7 ACRES OF UPLANDS.

I DON'T, IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS PLAN, BUT IF WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE MASTER PLAN.

I'M JUST, SO THAT, THAT'S A DONATION OF, UM, PARK AREA THERE.

IT'LL BE ACCESSIBLE FROM THIS PROPERTY ALSO.

SO THE PEOPLE IN MILLSTONE, WILL THEY BE ABLE TO USE THAT PARK AS WELL? YEAH, THAT'LL BE A PUB THAT'LL BE PUBLIC FOR USE.

SO EVERYBODY IS THERE.

WELL, NONE, NONE OF THESE COMMUNITIES ARE GATED.

RIGHT, OKAY.

IS THAT DRY LAND? WE HAVE 86.7 ACRES OF UPLAND AND A TOTAL OF 160.8 ACRE WALK IN THE WATER.

I, I THINK THE WHOLE IDEA AND, AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR THE ACRE.

YOU, YOU, YOU PUT IN ALL THE SIDEWALKS, YOU GOT THE SPACE DEVOTED.

THESE ARE GONNA BE FAMILIES GOING IN THERE.

WE WANT CHILDREN TO GET ON THE BIKES, RIDE ON THE SIDEWALK AND GO TO A SWING SET.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF WHY WE'RE ASKING THIS.

SURE.

AND THERE, THERE ARE ALSO AMENITY AREAS.

I DON'T, YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT, I THINK OPEN SPACE AREAS, BUT WHERE'S ALSO AN AMENITY AREAS IN EACH OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE, THE PURPLE AREAS THEMSELVES ARE THAT THOSE AMENITY AREAS.

SO THOSE COULD BE THOSE, YOU KNOW, PARKS, UH, POOLS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

COULD BE.

BUT WILL THEY BE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION.

I MEAN, WE, YES, I LOVE THE OPEN AREA, BUT WE, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF STIMULATION WITHIN THOSE, THOSE AREAS.

I MEAN, AS YOU BUILD UP, THE QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING FOR AN AMENITY CENTER? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA YET? WELL, I KNOW FOR, UM, JUST AS A, AS AN EXAMPLE FOR, THERE'S AN EXISTING POND ON THE PROPERTY HERE.

UM, AND THERE IS A PLANNED PAVILION SORT OF OVER IN THE GREEN SPACE HERE.

JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, PICNICS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UM, AS WELL AS, UM, A LITTLE, UM, FISHING DOCK, UH, THI YOU KNOW, I, IN TERMS OF SPECIFICS BEHIND EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT.

UM, BUT THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THOSE, UH, THE, THE OTHER AMENITY AREAS.

UM, I, I DO HAVE SOME IMAGES THAT WE COULD PULL UP, BUT THEY'RE, UM, TRADITIONALLY POOLS, UM, PLAYGROUNDS.

UM, AND WE, WE HAVE THOSE IMAGES THAT WE COULD, WE COULD CERTAINLY PROVIDE YOU.

ARE THEY INCLUDED IN THIS FIRST PART? THAT'S THE QUESTION.

SO LET'S OPENING, OPEN IT UP WITH QUESTIONS.

UH, SO MR. MESMAN, WHILE YOU ON A ROLL, WE'LL, OKAY, KEEP IT GOING FOR A SECOND.

READING.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SPECIFICS FOR THESE AMENITIES.

SOMETHING OF THE LOCATION AND AT LEAST AN INITIAL PLAN.

I, I APPRECIATE THE POND AND THE PAVILION AND A FISHING DOCK, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT QUITE ENOUGH FOR A FAMILY TYPE OF, UH, RESIDENCE.

YOU KNOW, IT, UH, I, THE PARKS AND THE PLAYGROUNDS AND THE SWINGS ARE, ARE FINE, BUT POOLS ARE POPULAR AND OUR REC CENTER DOESN'T HAVE A POOL.

UM, AND KIDS LOVE A POOL, SO PLEASE BRING SOMETHING BACK FOR SECOND READING THAT SO WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO.

ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S ALWAYS, AND, AND JUST TO ADD, SO LIKE THAT, THAT IS CERTAINLY THE INTENTION WITH THOSE AMENITY AREAS.

UM, SO, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THOSE GRAPHICS, BUT PLEASE, THAT IS, THANK YOU.

THAT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT THE INTENT OF ALL OF THOSE AREAS.

AND THEY ARE, THEY ARE SCATTERED, KIND OF, WE TRIED TO PUT 'EM, YOU KNOW, IT OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT A GOOD AMOUNT OF WETLANDS ON THE PROPERTY, SO WE TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, DISTRIBUTE THEM THROUGHOUT.

UM, JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW, NO ONE'S, NO ONE'S TOO FAR AWAY.

THAT'S ALL.

MR. MAYOR, MR. GUZMAN, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, SIR.

HE'S ALREADY ASKED THEM ALL.

MR. WHITE, NO QUESTIONS.

I DID IT AGAIN, MR. COW.

NO, SIR, I'M NONE.

I THINK WE COVERED EVERYTHING.

JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE LITTLE PURPLE AREAS OR WHATEVER COLOR THAT IS.

WHAT'S THE ACREAGE OF EACH ONE FOR THE NEXT READING, IF YOU DON'T MIND? OKAY.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE'LL HAVE TO CONSIDER, UH, ALSO IS IN THESE, THESE ARE NOT GATED COMMUNITIES, UH, THEY MAY, WILL THEY BE HOA COMMUNITIES? UM, I GUESS THEY, THEY WILL, THEY WILL BE AN HOA ESTABLISHED FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO THEY'LL OR THEY WON'T? THEY THEY WILL, YES MA'AM.

[01:35:01]

BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T HAVE AN AMENDING CENTER UNLESS YOU HAVE AN HOA PAYING FOR IT.

AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION.

SO MR. MEERS MEN'S QUESTION IS, IS VERY VALID, UH, YOU KNOW, TO FIND OUT WHAT EXACTLY.

AND THEN THE ACTIVE OPEN SPACES, IF WE LEAVE THAT BLANK, YOU KNOW, WE COULD USE DA FEES TO PUT WHATEVER.

YOU'RE STILL ON? I'M DONE.

OKAY, MRS. GUZMAN, I'M DONE.

I'M DONE.

YOU'RE DONE.

DO WE, UH, NO, WE WENT THROUGH THAT.

I'M SORRY.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

I'M LOSING MY PLACE TODAY.

MASTER PLAN FOR THESE SPECIFIC PARCELS KNOWN AS BLOCK A.

UM, ZIP LINING LATER.

I'M ZIP LINE .

I GOT ZIP LINES ON THE BRAIN IN SPANISH PAD AT THIS POINT NOW I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

THIS IS THE

[PUBLIC HEARING]

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.

THIS IS ORDINANCE 2025 DASH O2 DASH 20 E TO ADOPT THE MASTER PLAN.

SO MOVED.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE PDD, UM, AND IS, UH, NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED.

ALL OPPOSED? OKAY.

SECOND.

READING WILL BE ON APRIL 3RD.

UM, THIS IS THE LAST PART OF THE, UM, THIS PARTICULAR PDD AND THIS IS THE ORDINANCE APPROVING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HARVILLE AND HIC MORGAN, LLC.

MR. GRUBER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD? NO, SIR.

OTHER THAN THAT, THE LANGUAGE

[E. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO AND RESTATEMENT OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE AND HIC MORGAN LLC (“HIC”) , OWNER OF THE LAND WITHIN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE "MORGAN TRACT"]

AB ABSENT THE CHANGES TO THE LANGUAGE OF THE PDD THAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.

OKAY, ? NOW, NOW THAT, THAT'S PERFECTLY MUDDY.

MR. CARROLL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ? I BELIEVE JOSH IN HIS OWN WAY IS SAYING, HEY, IT'S TAKING TO GO.

I THINK HE WAS GIVING YOU THE THUMBS UP ON THAT.

NO QUESTIONS, MAYOR.

MR. WHITE? NO QUESTIONS.

MR. GUZMAN? MRS. GUZMAN.

ALL RIGHT THEN.

IT'S A LONG NIGHTMARE.

MR. MAYOR, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FOLLOW YOU TWO.

THIS IS A, UM, ANY, ANYTHING THAT, ANY QUESTIONS WE MAY HAVE THAT WOULD REMAIN UNANSWERED, WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT AT SECOND READING.

SO, I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

OBVIOUSLY MY BRAIN IS FRIED, SO I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS THAT ARE, THAT ARE, UH, OF ANY INTELLIGENCE.

SO, UM, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

[PUBLIC HEARING]

THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? AND THAT INCLUDES THE DEVELOPMENT FEES THAT WE INCLUDE WITH THIS.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP AT THIS TIME? YES.

SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.

THIS IS ORDINANCE 2025 DASH OH TWO DASH 20 F.

LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, WE APPROVE ORDINANCE 2025 DASH TWO 20 F.

OUR FIRST READING.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

A AYE.

NEXT, THESE THREE WILL BE, UH, READ AGAIN ON APRIL 3RD.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR COOPERATION AND MAKING THIS A MUCH BETTER PROJECT THAN IT WAS A, A FEW MONTHS AGO.

THANK YOU ALL OF YOUR HELP.

YOU REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

AND THANK YOU CLIENT AS WELL.

OKAY, WE'VE DONE NINE A.

THAT'S DONE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GO TO MR.

[IX. NEW BUSINESS]

GRUBER'S MANAGER REPORT.

IS WE ARE OFFICIALLY SIX HOURS INTO MARCH MADNESS.

IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE TONIGHT

[X. MANAGER’S REPORT]

AND MY BRACKET IS COMPLETELY BUSTED.

, DON'T TELL ME THAT.

I OH, SCHOOL.

OH, WHERE'S KATIE? WE GO TO FIND OUT FROM KATIE THAT SHE WON THE BRACKET OR NOT.

KATIE'S, UH, A CLEMSON GRAD ALSO.

UH, LET'S GO AND REVERSE ALPHABETICAL ORDER AND START WITH MR. WHITE.

[01:40:01]

[XI. COUNCIL ISSUES AND CONCERNS]

WELL, THAT'S ALL HE HAS IS A BUSTED BRACKET.

I CAN'T WAIT TO LOOK AT MY PHONE AND SEE HOW BAD MY BRACKETS ARE, MR. MAYOR.

UM, JOSH AND I MET WITH THE ADMINISTRATOR AND MAYOR OF RIDGELAND AND THE COUNCIL CHAIR, JOHN KEMP AND THE ADMINISTRATOR, ANDY FULHAM.

UH, THEN WE HAVE, UH, NEXT IS MR. MESMAN.

I HAVE NO COMMENTS THIS EVENING, SIR.

THEN WE GO TO MRS. GUZMAN.

'CAUSE MR. GUZMAN IS ABSENT TODAY.

, I GOT NOTHING TO SAY TODAY THAT I'M WRITING DOWN.

I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, CINDY, GET THAT HIGHLIGHTED.

MARK.

MARK THAT, MARK THAT IN THE COMMENTS, UH, FOR THE MINUTE, MINUTES, MR. CARROLL.

NO, SIR.

NOTHING.

WELL, I HATE TO BREAK THE TREND.

WE KNEW YOU WOULD.

UM, BUT FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, THE COUNTY COUNCIL CHAIR HAS SLIPPED IN IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR MEETING, AND I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME HIM AND THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING MR. KEMP.

UM, UM, SECOND OF ALL, UH, I'LL GO IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER.

THE TCL CULINARY INSTITUTE IN BLUFFTON OPENED UP A FOOD MUSEUM, A LITTLE MUSEUM OF LOW COUNTRY, UH, CULINARY DELIGHTS.

I RECOMMEND EVERYBODY TO GO OVER THERE AND, AND VISIT THAT.

UH, ALSO ON THE 11TH, I'M PART OF A PANEL OF 35 PEOPLE, UM, THAT THE UNITED WAY HAS PUT TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT, UH, A RESILIENCY PLAN TO COME UP TO TRY TO DEAL WITH THE POVERTY LEVEL IN, UH, THE, THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES.

THERE WILL BE A SERIES OF TWO HOUR MEETINGS, UH, GOING THROUGH, I BELIEVE APRIL.

UM, AND THEN HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE A PLAN PUT TOGETHER.

UM, THE STATE OF THE COUNTY LAST WEEK, I CANNOT PRAISE ENOUGH.

OUR MEDIA DEPARTMENT AND THEIR CREATIVITY.

UH, DANIEL'S BACK THERE, JESS, UH, JAMES JUAN, EVERYBODY CONTRIBUTED.

AND, UM, I DID A SPECTACULAR JOB WITH THAT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, RIGHT AFTER THAT, UH, UH, JOSH AND I HAD A, A LITTLE THING WITH THE AN OLLIE CLASS, AND THAT WAS PRETTY COOL.

IT WAS KIND LIKE A JOHNNY CARSON SHOW.

YOU KNOW, SHE ASK THOSE QUESTIONS.

UM, AND THAT WAS KIND OF A, A GOOD THING.

UM, THE YOUTH COUNCIL WILL BE, UH, HOLDING AN EVENT ON APRIL, UM, 10TH.

AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY ARE GONNA JOIN FORCES WITH THE YOUTH COUNCIL.

AND WE'RE GONNA INVITE THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY, WHO IS NEW TO OUR COMMUNITY, TO COME OUT AND MEET OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UM, AND ALSO GIVE INFORMATION.

WE'RE DOING SOME THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, MULTILINGUAL THINGS THAT, AND JUST GIVE THEM SOME GENERAL INFORMATION HOW THEY CAN COME TO THE CITY FOR HELP.

UM, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO, UH, ARE STILL LEARNING ENGLISH AND WHO ARE, ALL OF WHICH ARE NEW TO OUR COMMUNITY, UH, FROM OTHER COUNTRIES.

UM, SO I, I APPLAUD THE YOUTH COUNCIL FOR, FOR, UH, THEIR EFFORTS AND, AND THEIR CONCERN ABOUT THIS.

UM, JOSH AND I WENT TO A GALA.

THE HILTON HAD BLUFFED IN, UM, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ON SATURDAY NIGHT.

AND IT WAS QUITE A, AN EXTRAVAGANZA.

AND FOOD WAS PRETTY GOOD FOR A BANQUET, UH, THAT LARGE.

AND I WOULD, UH, I SAID TO JOSH AFTERWARDS THAT, UM, WE WERE CALLED OUT, WE BEING THE CITY OF HARDY V AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE A, YOU KNOW, WE WILL, THE COUNCIL WILL ALL BE INVITED AGAIN NEXT YEAR.

AND, UM, I HOPE WE HAVE A, A GOOD ATTENDANCE, MAYBE GET A WHOLE TABLE.

UM, I WENT TO BEAUFORT COUNTY THE OTHER NIGHT THERE MEETING REGARDING, UM, HOW THEY'RE SPENDING THE REMAINING MONEY FROM THE 2018 REFERENDUM AND THE OPTIONS THAT THEY WILL HAVE, POSSIBLY FOR A 2026 REFERENDUM THAT WILL PROBABLY INCLUDE CAPITAL AS WELL AS TRANSPORTATION AND MAYBE, UH, LAND PRESERVATION AS WELL.

BUT THAT WAS A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT A FULL COUNCIL MEETING.

UM, AND YESTERDAY,

[01:45:01]

UM, THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER BY CHAIRMAN KEMP.

IT WAS HIS IDEA.

AND WE WILL BE MEETING EVERY MONTH TO TRY TO TALK ABOUT COMMON GROUND.

AND I ENDED THE, UM, YESTERDAY'S LUNCH WITH TWO WORDS, SHARED SERVICES.

AND, UM, MR. KEMP I KNOW AGREES WITH THAT.

SO WE'RE GONNA USE THESE LUNCHES TO, UM, JUST TALK, TALK, TALK TOGETHER AND FIND OUT WHAT WE HAVE IN COMMON AND WHERE AREAS WE HAVE TO.

SO I ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL, THIS WILL BE IN THE THIRD WEDNESDAY EVERY MONTH.

I ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO SHARE IDEAS WITH EITHER ME OR, UH, JOSH AS TO TOPICS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO ADDRESS DURING THESE LAUNCHES.

UM, I HAVE ALSO ASKED, UM, JOSH, TO REVIEW THE ORDINANCES REGARDING CONSTRUCTION TIME.

RIGHT NOW, WE ALLOW CONSTRUCTION SEVEN DAYS A WEEK FROM SEVEN TO SEVEN.

UM, I DID CALL TWO, UH, LANDOWNER DEVELOPERS, UH, JEFF COGGIN FROM EAST AR, AND, UH, STEPHAN HOYER FROM MORGAN TRACK TO ASK THEM FOR IDEAS.

AND I'LL SHARE THOSE, UH, ONCE WE GET THERE.

BUT IF COUNSEL AGREES, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP TO REVIEW, UH, A ORDINANCE, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO THAT CURRENT THING.

AND SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT PRETTY, YEAH.

SO I, I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD IDEAS THAT, UH, WE CAN, UM, WE CAN PUT FORWARD TO COUNCIL.

LET'S HAVE A DEBATE AND LET'S COME UP WITH A BETTER ORDINANCE THAN WE HAVE NOW.

OKAY? YES.

YEP.

UM, AND ON MY WAY OVER HERE, UM, I STOPPED AT THE GFWC.

IF YOU RECALL, WE, WE PASSED A PROCLAMATION A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO.

UH, THEY ASKED MYSELF AND MAYOR TOMER BLUFFTON, WHO PASSED THE SAME ORDINANCE OR SAME PROCLAMATION, AND WE READ THAT TO THE GROUP HONORING THE LUNCHEON THAT THEY WERE HAVING FOR THEIR 10TH ANNIVERSARY.

UM, AFTERWARDS THEY SPOKE WITH MAYOR TOOR AND THERE WAS AN IDEA FLOATED, I FORGET WHO PUT IT FORTH, TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON.

I FLOATED THAT IDEA WITH MAYOR TOMER.

HE THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA.

UH, I SAID THAT, UH, STEVE, STEVE THERE, MANAGER, AND JOSH WOULD GET TOGETHER AND JOSH WOULD TRY TO COME UP WITH THE TIME.

AND I THINK, AND, AND AN AGENDA.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA IDEAS, YOU SHOULD PASS THAT TO JOSH.

BUT I THINK IT'S, THEY'RE OUR CLOSEST NEIGHBOR.

THEY WENT THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS WE'RE ABOUT TO GO THROUGH.

AND I THINK A, A GENERAL DIALOGUE WOULD BE HELPFUL TO, I THINK TO THEM, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS GOING ON AND, UH, THEY, THEY PERHAPS COULD GIVE US SOME, SOME OF THE STRUGGLES THAT THEY WENT THROUGH AS WELL.

SO JOSH IS GOING TO SET THAT UP FOR US.

UM, PROBABLY LATTER PART OF APRIL, 1ST OF MAY, SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.

'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS GOING ON.

AND THAT'S THE END OF MY LIST.

THIS WAS FASTER THAN I THOUGHT.

I'M GONNA GO OVER TO ROYAL LIVE OAKS NOW AT THE, THEY HAVE SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE, BUT THEY ASKED ME TO GO, MA'AM, MAY I ADD ONE QUICK THING? YOU CAN, EVEN IF IT'S NOT QUICK, YOU COULD QUICK.

UM, WE DO NEED TO, UM, I KNOW THE CITY WAS REALLY GOOD WITH, UM, COUNCILMAN WHITE, BUT WE DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE HIM IN, IN THE IN AND HIS LOSS AND, UM, TELL HIM HOW SORRY WE ARE.

AND THAT CITY, CITY HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD IN SUPPORTING HIM.

THANK YOU, JOHN, FOR, FOR DOING THAT.

LEMME MENTION THAT.

AND, AND, UM, JOHN HAS BEEN A, A VERY SPECIAL FRIEND IN, IN BO'S TIME OF NEED.

SO THANK YOU JOHN FOR THAT AS WELL.

WE SUPPORT EACH OTHER.

WE SUPPORT IT.

WE'RE, WE'RE ALL PART OF THE TEAM.

UM, OKAY, IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

[XII. ADJOURNMENT]