Mar 03, 2025 City Council Workshop

UH, SURE.

WHAT HAPPENED, LIKE TURNED OFF, BUT LOW EMPTY APPLES.

OH, GEAR.

MORE GENERAL CON AND DO Y'ALL WANT ME TO STAND UP GEAR? ARE YOU GOOD? YOU CAN HEAR ME FROM HERE.

I CAN HEAR YOU.

CHANGED FOR THE ABORIGINAL WEST AR TRACT.

SO EVERYONE, THE BACK GEAR, UH, GEAR, YOU'RE, I'M GONNA GO OVER SOME OF THE LIKE, LARGER POINTS THAT WERE

[A. A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AMENDMENT SUBMITTAL FOR PARCELS 042-00-06-045, 042-00-06-064, 042-00-06-060, 042-00-06-061 AND 042-00-06-063 TO BE KNOWN AS HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST (A PORTION OF THE WEST ARGENT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT)]

SO KIND OF WHAT THIS DOCUMENT SEEKS TO DO.

SO THE ORIGINAL WEST ORIGIN TRACT COVERED A LOT MORE LAY OF THE PROPERTY THAN THIS AMENDED.

THIS AMENDMENT ESSENTIALLY PARS OUT THE PORTION THAT'S BY DEVELOPMENT GREASE AND NAR CAROLINAS, UM, AT THAT SLIDE I SEE CALLED K HEAD LAKES WEST TRACT.

SO IT JUST PUT THAT LITTLE CHUNK ASIDE.

UM, AND IT'S A MAX OF 4,300 AT 50 UNITS.

THIS THE BACK UNITS THAT THEY HAVE OR FOR THIS PORTION.

SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE ONE BIG CHANGE.

THAT'S WHY IT'S A PARTIAL RESTATEMENT AMENDMENT TO AGREEMENT.

UH, THE NEXT BIG THING IT SET, SO YOU HAVE SEEN CHANGES TO THE LEGAL CON ENCRYPT OF THE PROPERTY AND YOU HAD THE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE MATS, UM, AND THE DEVELOPMENT SCHEDULE TO REFLECT THOSE, THAT EMIT NUMBER.

UM, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA KIND OF GO DOWN.

WE HAVE RODEO, WHICH IS SO BIG FOR GROUND.

LET'S GONNA AT THE TOP ABOUT THE LOCATION.

THAT'S A QUICK ONE WE CAN COVER.

SO THE WEST ORIGIN TRACK CURRENTLY HAS A FIRE STATION RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU GO INTO THE PIL HEAD LAKES OFF LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.

UH, LOOKING AT THE CITY AS A WHOLE, THE CITY DID A STUDY TO SEE WHERE PUBLIC SAFETY SITES WOULD SERVE THE MOST UNITS IN THE SEA.

SO ORIGINALLY THESE CAS KIND OF EVERY SINGLE PERSON HAD A PUBLIC SAFETY SITE.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON HAD A SCHOOL SITE, EVERY SINGLE PERSON KIND OF FIRST SITE.

AND THEY DID A MORE, I GUESS LIKE THE HOLISTIC STUDY TO LOOK TO SEE.

SO THE IDEAL TATION A PUBLIC SAFETY SIDE WILL BE LOCATED, UH, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE'LL, WE'LL SHOW YOU ON THE MAX WHERE THEY ARE.

AND THE DEVELOPER KIND OF IDENTIFIED A PORTION HERE AT A FALSE LITTLE BIT OFF TO THE SIDE IN THE CONSERVATION PARCEL.

SO THIS AMENDMENT ALSO REFLECTS WHERE THE PUBLIC SAFETY SITES CONTEMPLATED TO BE.

UH, AND IT, SO IT ACCOUNTS FOR THE MONIES NEEDED IN ORDER TO COVER THE CAPITAL COST OF THAT PUBLIC SAFETY SITE.

SO WE CAN GO, THAT'S SUPPORTED AS A, A DIFFERENT DAP, BUT WE'LL GO OVER ALL THE DPS AS WELL.

BUT WHAT'S AN ADD IN THE AMENDMENT IS WHAT'S CALLED A PUBLIC SAFETY SITE E.

SO YOU HAVE WHAT'S CALLED POLICE RIGHT OFF STAGE 21 THAT YOU WANNA TO ADDRESS JOSH 21? NO, SORRY, OF THE PF.

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SO THAT'S GO PUB TRY.

I'M LOOKING AT THE ON THE SIDE CARE HOUSE.

OH, I GOTCHA.

SO THIS E PART HAS THE UPDATING JUST SO MUCH AS ADDING THE ADJUSTMENT FACTOR.

SO OF THE ORIGINAL WEST RJE DA WAS AMENDED, THAT WAS UH, OR ADOPTED.

THAT WAS ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO.

SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS BROUGHT THESE NUMBERS UP TO CURRENT.

SO IT JUST HAS THE ADJUSTMENT FACTOR.

UH, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THERE THE PUBLIC SAFETY SITE CAPITAL, UH, THAT'S A NEW PIECE THAT'S AN ADD-IN.

SO ACCOUNT FOR A $3 MILLION CONTRIBUTION THAT'S GOING G COLLECTED ON TOP OF YOUR POLICE FIRE FEES, WHICH WERE ALREADY IN THE DOCUMENT ON.

SO WHAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY SITE CAPITAL THAT WILL ALL MEET THE ELECTED TIME OF A CARPET AND IT'S RENT TO GENEROUS $3 MILLION OVER THE COURSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO AT FULL BUILD YOU SHOULD HAVE FREE BILLION ON, AND I'M GONNA TALK IN WHOLE NUMBERS.

I'M NOT PUTTING IN YOUR ADJUSTMENTS.

SO THEY'LL PROBABLY END UP SEEING A LITTLE VOID AT THAT.

BUT WE DIDN'T DO, I DIDN'T DO THAT.

FINANCIAL ANALYSIS.

SO FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY SITE, THERE'S A TRIGGER OF WHEN IT WILL BE BUILT.

THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL UNIT COUNT.

SO IT'S EITHER ONCE YOU GET TO, I BELIEVE THAT'S 1300 RESIDENTIAL UNITS OR THERE'S A ISO TRIGGER.

SO IF THE ISO THERE GOING TO CHANGE, YOU GIVE A NOTICE AND THAT CAN HAPPEN.

SO THAT WOULD BE ANYTIME BEFORE THE 1300, YOU GIVE A NOTICE TO THE DEVELOPER THAT WE NEED THAT $3 MILLION.

SO WHAT THE CITY WILL DO AT THAT TIME IS THEY'LL SEE HOW MUCH IS THIS COLLECT? IS IT PROPERLY SAFETY SIDE CAPITAL ACCOUNT, RIGHT? SAY IT'S A MILLION DOLLARS.

SO YOU STILL NEED $2 MILLION.

SO THE BILL WILL PAY A 2 MILLION AT THAT TIME.

SO YOU'LL HAVE 3 MILLION AND THEN YOU'LL START YOUR BUREAU, YOU'LL DO YOUR STUDIES, WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO, THEN YOU'LL, FROM THAT DAY, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO COLLECT THE PUBLIC SAFETY SITE CAPITAL FEE, BUT THEY'LL GET CREDITS FOR THAT 2 MILLION THAT THEY PAID YOU UP FRONT AT THAT TIME.

UH, SO THAT, THAT'S WHY THAT NUMBER IS SEPARATE.

AT THE SAME TIME, IT ANGER, POLICE AND FIRE OR THE OFFICE SO THAT THOSE ARE IN SOME WAY TO PAY FOR THIS WHOLE IS SO BEEN THERE.

COMMUNITY FACILITY IS STILL THERE AND PARK C'S STILL THERE.

UH, A CHEESE SHELL WAS MADE DURING THE SCHOOLS.

YOU JUST CLARIFIED WHAT YOU CAN USE THOSE SCHOOLS FOR.

SO IT USES IN YOUR RIGHT TO USE THOSE FOR A TECH EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE.

UM, AND NOW AS YOU CAN GET IN THE OTHER BLUE TRACK, IT GIVES ANY OTHER BIG SHAKES OTHER THAN THE ROAD A I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE MEAN MARK CHIC, IT'S THIS.

SO, BUT AH, SO WE COULD JUMP IT TO ROAD A, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU BULL CAT, THE LANGUAGE IN THIS DOCUMENT REFLECTS THE CHANGE OF WHEN THE LOCATION OF ROAD A WILL.

SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN THINGS WITH THE DA? YES, SIR.

IS THAT IN ONE OF THE EXHIBITS IN THEIR P MAP? THE PE IS A EXHIBIT TO THIS.

SO I I DON'T THINK IT'S THE ATTACHED TO THE SUPPLEMENT.

IT'S UH, YOU SEE WHERE IS YEAH, IT'S JUST I HAVE THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS SET THE NIGHT BEFORE THE LAST MEETING.

IS THIS WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING A DIFFERENT DOCUMENT? WE SHOULD IT IS THE SAME DOCUMENT.

THIS IS THE PAGE.

WAS THAT, OH, I GOT IT.

OF THE P S'S PAGE 21 OF THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT THAT'S SENT ON THIS, THIS 17.

HERE.

UM, SO THE, WE NOW HAVE A FIRE AND A PUBLIC SAFETY DA FIELD POLICE, FIRE AND PUBLIC SAFETY SITE CAPITAL FEE.

THAT'S THE ACCOUNT FOR THE ADDITIONAL $3 MILLION CONTRIBUTION.

UM, THE DEVELOPER WANTED TO KIND OF HAVE A WAY OF SPACING THAT OUT.

UM, SO THAT'S HOW WE ADDED IT AS A SEPARATE DEVELOPMENT FEE.

I JUST HAVE A QUESTION AND YOU MIGHT GIVE A COPY SWIPE ME, BUT IT, IT'S STILL PART OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

OUR CLAN, JOSH THEN IS TO CHANGE WHERE 83 IS, BRING IT UP NORTHWEST TO WEST ON AND THEN BUILD A NEW ONE AT THE JUNCTURE OF CAR AND ORDERS.

OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE THAT COVERAGE AND THE ISO RATINGS THAT GO WITH IT.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AS HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST DEVELOPS, PARTICULARLY AS IT TENDS TO GO TOWARDS THE NORTH AT A CERTAIN POINT IN TIME, THE SERVICE RESPONSE AREA FROM THE CURRENT LOCATION IS NOT SUFFICIENT, WHICH IS WHY THE STATION IS BEING MOVED FURTHER TOWARDS THE INTERIOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT BASICALLY TO ENSURE THAT THE NEW UNITS THAT ARE GONNA BE CREATED AS PART

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I'M SORRY, CAN I, CAN I ADD YOU PLEASE ADD TO MORE THAT YOU'LL HEAR LATER THIS AFTERNOON IS IS, YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT WILL ALLUDE NORTH RIGHT TO, TO MEET THE COVERAGE AREA OF THE FIVE MINUTE DRIVE TIME.

CAR WILL FILL IN ON THE BOTTOM SIDE AND MORGAN HAS ONE INCLUDED ALSO.

SO WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT WESTERN SIDE AND HAVE A RADIUS.

THAT CORRECT.

AND THE THOUGHT IS, AT LEAST WITH THE INITIAL PHASES, THAT THE EXISTING LOCATIONS MORE THAN ADEQUATE.

IT'S, IT'S, AS IT FILLS IN THAT AT A CERTAIN POINT IN TIME, IT'S GONNA TRIGGER HAVING TO RELOCATE FURTHER INTO THE COMMUNITY.

BECAUSE AT AS, AND THE REASON I ASK, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT YOU MENTIONED 1300 HOMES, WAS IT THE TRIGGERS OR 300 FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY SIDE? YES.

AND SO THAT'S 1300 MORE GOING NORTHWEST PRIMARILY.

SO OF THE, OF THE 4,000 THAT WILL GO MM-HMM .

SO WE'LL BE PUTTING IN A FIRE STATION BEFORE 2,700 HOMES GOING NORTHWEST ARE COMPLETE THIR 13 HUNDRED'S, THE LATEST THAT CAN HAPPEN THIS THE LAKES, BUT, BUT THERE'LL BE 27 STATION FOR AT LEAST SOME PERIOD OF TIME WHO WOULD JUST BE SERVICING SOUTH OF THAT STATION BECAUSE NORTHWEST STILL WON'T BE BUILT.

IF THE 1300 IS THE TRIGGER.

NOW, IS THERE ANY TIMING SIGNIFICANCE TO MARGARITAVILLE? BECAUSE HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING.

YOU BUILD THE STATIONARY, YOU ELIMINATE 83.

IF CARS ISN'T BILLY'S NOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE SERVICE TIME TO ANDERSON AND, AND PARTICULARLY THE SOUTHERN CARD OF ANDERSON, UH, UP THERE.

SO SIR, THE TIMING OF WHAT, WHATEVER THIS WOULD BE 85 OR THREE AND THE MARGARITAVILLE IS, IS IN ACCORDANT AS THE 1300 ON TRIGGER.

FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING? ABSOLUTE.

WE'VE GOTTA BE CAREFUL FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT THAT WE DON'T PRE RELOCATE IT TO THEN ULTIMATELY CAUSE PROBLEMS IN THE SIZE.

IS THAT YEAH.

THEN SOLVE ONE PROBLEM, THEN CREATED ONE ABSOLUTELY.

OVER HERE.

IF WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THIS 1300 TRIGGER AND THEN WHEN THE FUNDS COME IN BASED UPON THE FACT IS THAT WOULD PROBABLY COVER OAKLEY COVER MOST OF THE CONSTRUCTION LOSS.

WE STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE EQUIPMENT AND MANNING OF THAT.

I I'M LOOKING AT A TIDE TABLE HERE.

I MEAN, REALISTICALLY A TWO YEAR TIME CAPE.

NOW WITH, WITH THIS PARTICULAR FIRE STATION, WE ALREADY HAVE THE EQUIPMENT.

WE ALREADY HAVE THE STAFF.

WE'RE JUST GONNA BASICALLY PICK THEM UP FROM THEIR CURRENT LOCATION, MOVE THEM FURTHER TO THE INTERIOR.

NOW WHEN WE START LOOKING AT THE CAR TRACK, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO BUY MORE EQUIPMENT AND WE HAVE TO HIRE MORE PERSON.

THIS IS WHERE, THIS IS WHERE I'M GOING.

THIS IS, THIS IS EXACTLY WHERE I'M GOING.

UM, YOU KNOW, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING, IF WE MOVE THAT STATION FURTHER IN TAFT UNTIL WE CAN GET SOMETHING DONE IN THE CARF MORE ATTRACT AREA, DO WE LEAVE 83 WHERE IT'S AT AND OPERATE? WELL THAT'S, AND THAT MAY BE THE OPTION IS THAT EVEN IF WE MOVE THEM BACK IN THERE, TO THE MAYOR'S POINT ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T ALIENATE A PARTICULAR SERVICE AREA, IF WE HAD TO BRING MORE PEOPLE IN, WE COULD HAVE THEM REOCCUPIED THE EXISTING STATION YEAH.

AND STILL NEED THAT SERVICE SO WE COULD REOCCUPY THE EXISTING STATION.

WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT EQUIPMENT AND ABSOLUTELY.

AND MANPOWER.

SO SEE THE TRI, WHAT'S THE TRIGGER IS, IS TRIGGERED A LOT OF THINGS HAVE TO FALL INTO PLACE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

BECAUSE AS, AS WE KEEP WORKING FURTHER BACK IN THE CAR TRAP, THAT DISTANCE, IT CONTINUES TO GROW.

THERE'S A B SO RADY MM-HMM .

WE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT TOO.

FAIR.

MUCH SO THE, THERE'S ANOTHER SITUATION THAT WE HAVE TO REDRESS AND UM, AS WE'VE, WE DO THIS BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE IT HITS THE TRIGGER DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA WANNA MOVE IT.

BECAUSE, BUT WHAT HAPPENS WITH AMBULANCE SERVICE, I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO TAKE THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY.

AND ADDING AMBULANCES WHEN IT'S COUNTY RESPONSIBILITY, OUR RESIDENTS ARE PAYING DO FOR THE SAME SERVICE.

THEY'RE PAYING THE CITY FOR THE COUNTY'S SERVICE AND GETTING NO RETURN FROM THE COUNTY.

NOW IF YOU MOVE, YOU MOVE 83 NORTHWEST, WHICH IS WHERE OUR AMBULANCE IS, IS WHAT DO WE DO TO SERVICE THE 6,000 HOMES THAT ARE ANDERSON AND CAR YEAH.

IS SO IT'S JUST SO PART OF THE BUDGET.

WHY ARE WE GOING TO SERVICE THEM FROM THAT STANDPOINT? THAT'S A POLICY QUESTION, AT LEAST FROM WHAT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

IT DOES NOT CONTEMPLATE EMS SERVICE.

IT IS STRICTLY

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FIRE SERVICES.

WELL, IT'S PUBLIC, PUBLIC SAFETY.

BUT I THINK THE ISSUE IS, JOSH, WE HAVE TO GET TOGETHER WITH JASPER COUNTY.

ANDY CANNOT ACTUALLY TAKING THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ON, YOU KNOW, AND IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

I NO A HUNDRED PERCENT UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY TALK ABOUT, I GUESS MY POINT IS THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S CALLED FOR IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

THAT'S LIKELY GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE OF JUST A POLICY QUESTION FOR THE CITY TO ADDRESS.

I DON'T, IN TERMS OF, I DON'T REALLY GET OFF TRACK, BUT IT'S, IT'S A TIMETABLE.

I BRING IT UP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRIGGERS HERE.

AND, AND THERE'S MORE CONTEMPLATE THAN JUST I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THE MADE, BUT YES, WE DON'T, IT IS POLICY, BUT IT ALL FIGURES IN IT DOES, YOU KNOW IT IN A PERFECT WORLD THAT THAT ANSWER WOULD BE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.

BUT WE HAVE TO CONTEMPLATE THE WHAT IF THAT'S, IT'S AN EXPANSION OF OUR SERVICES AND IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, BISER P CAN'T, IT'S JUST NOT CONTEMPLATED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR ANYTHING THAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE CONTRIBUTING TO OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC SAFETY SITE AND THE FEES THAT SET UN UNDERSTANDABLE.

BUT IF WE WOULD HAPPEN TO MOVE THE EMERGENCY, THE EMS SERVICE FURTHER IN, WE STILL HAVE TO COVER UNTIL CORRECT.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AS, AS MUCH AS I'D LIKE TO HOLD HANDS AT THE COUNTY AND EVERYTHING IS, UH, A LOT, UH, HUNKY DORY, WE CAN'T ALWAYS GUARANTEE THAT.

AND AT THE RATE THAT WE HAVE BEEN ROWING, YOU KNOW, WILL THEY BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT TOO? WELL, AND I THINK WHAT'S GONNA TAKE IS A SERIES OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AT THAT TIME, IF FOR NOTHING ELSE TO COORDINATE SERVICES IF WE'RE NOT GONNA PROVIDE THE SERVICE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WILL WELL AND VICE VERSA.

AND THAT'S A POLICY DECISION.

UNDERSTANDABLE.

BUT I'M ALSO PUTTING OUT THERE THAT WHEN THAT TRIGGER IS HIT TO MOVE THAT STATION IN THERE, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT MOVING THAT STATION UNTIL WE HAVE THOSE ANSWERS.

UNDERSTOOD.

AND AS FAR AS EMS SERVICES, UH, AMBULANCE SERVICES, UM, THE DOCUMENT STATES, YOU KNOW, THOSE SERVICES ARE CURRENTLY BEING PROVIDED BY JASPER COUNTY.

THE CITY IS NOT OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES TO THE D THIS PROPERTY UNLESS IT OPTS TO DO SO FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE CITY.

SO IF YOU TAKE OVER A SERVICE FOR THE WHOLE CITY, THEN YOU PROVIDE THEM TO THE CITY, I NEED TO, UH, IT DOESN'T GO INTO THE DETAILS OF YOU ARE BEFORE TO DO THAT OR NOT.

JUST LIKE JOB SET.

YOU MAKE THAT POLICY DECISION AT A LATER TIME, THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S POLICY.

THAT'S CITY KATE , WE WILL PROVIDE THESE SERVICES IN THE CITY.

THE THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE NOT EXCLUDED FROM THAT.

ANOTHER QUESTION MAY HAVE IS HOW DID THAT $3 MILLION, WHAT, HOW WAS THAT CALCULATED? OH, I, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WAS CALCULATED.

I THINK THEY DID A STUDY OF IS MAP YEAR THEY, THEY, THEY LOOKED AT THE CA CAPITAL COST OF DOING ENGINEERING AND, UM, DESIGN OR, OR A, A STATION TO SERVE THIS, THIS TYPE OF LOCATION OR AREA.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

I THINK JUST ABOUT AT FIRE STATION 84, THAT WAS PROBABLY SOME OF THE MOST CURRENT THAT I KIND OF THE NUMBERS YEAH.

BASE IT OFF OF THAT WOULD BE MY GUESS.

AND THAT'S NOT A NUMBER THAT WE'VE NECESSARILY CHANGED.

THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGED IS THAT THEY'RE ASKING TO ESSENTIALLY RECOUP THAT COST THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT FEES IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THEY CONTRIBUTED TO.

SO, AND PURINA, I WANT HELP.

I GOT THE, UH, THE, THE OLDER CHART SENT SHEET CHART.

SO THE TRACK CHANGE VERSION HERE, I FIGURED LET'S JUST COVER THE RED LINES.

THAT WAY WE DON'T MISS ANYTHING.

OKAY, COOL.

SO ONE OF THE FIRST ONES IN THE DEFINITION SESSION ABOUT THE MCDO.

AND TH THIS NEEDED TO BE CORRECTED.

WE ACTUALLY, UM, THE NCDO THAT DOES TIE TO THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE, UM, IS GOING TO BE THE MOST RECENT MCD.

SO THIS RED LINE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN CORRECTED STONES.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? ALL RIGHT, SCROLL DOWN TO THE NEXT ONE.

UM, THIS HAS TO DO WITH WHEN THE OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE OF THE ROAD COMES OVER TO THE CITY, UM, THEY ADDED A CHANGE THAT THE OWNER WILL START THERE.

THERE ARE CERTAIN SUGAR DATES.

SO THE ROAD CONVEYS VANCE REQUIRES THAT WHEN YOU GET IT, IT'S GOING TO BE AT 50% OF THE USAGE LEFT ON THE ROAD.

THERE'S PERCENTAGE USAGES LEFT ON ROADS.

UM, AND IT'LL SAY NOT IN NEED OF REPAIR WITH AT LEAST 50% OF THE USE OF LIFE LAST P PAYMENT COMPANY REMAINING.

AND YOU'LL HAVE A MUTUALLY INDEPENDENT ENGINEER ENGINEERING FIRM THAT WILL MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

SO YOU ADD AN ADDITIONAL CHANGE HERE THAT THE OWNER'S GOING TO CERTIFY THAT IT'LL BE LIMITED TO VEHICLES OF TWO AXLES OR LESS.

SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE LANGUAGE THAT CAME UP TO DEAL WITH THE CONCERNS OF CONSTRUCTION, HEAVY CONSTRUCTION ON

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THE ROW.

YOU DON'T WANT, THE CITY DOESN'T WANNA TAKE OVER OWNERSHIP, MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES WITH HEAVY CONSTRUCTION.

STILL ACCURATE, BUT YOU DON'T WANNA PUT IN JUST CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE A HA TRUCK OR YOU MAY HAVE A TRUCK THAT HAS RIDICULOUS I KNOW CABINETS OR THEY'RE, THAT'S STILL CONSTRUCTION.

SO, UM, WORKING TOGETHER, THEY CAME UP WITH THIS TWO AXLE RECOMMENDATION TO YOUR QUESTION, RENA.

SO THIS DOCUMENT GIVES ROAD A ON SHIP TO THE CITY ONLY ROAD A OR THE INTERIOR ROADS AT WEST DODGE.

IT, IT'S SPECIFIC ROADS THAT COME OVER TO YOU.

AND ONCE HE GETS TO THAT AGE, IT IT, THE DOCUMENT GOES THROUGH THE ROADS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET EVENTUALLY.

THE BIG THING THAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS IS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THE CITY'S GOING TO ACCEPT A ROAD INTO ITS NETWORK, NOT ONLY DOES IT NEED TO BE CONSTRUCTED AS DISTURBING STANDARDS AND IT NEEDS TO BE SUCH THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO GO IN AND IMMEDIATELY MAKE REPAIRS TO IT.

IF THE ROAD IS STILL BEING ACTIVELY UTILIZED AS A CONSTRUCTION ACCESS, THEN THAT ACCELERATES THE DETERIORATION OF THE ROADWAY ITSELF.

AND SO THE TRIGGERS IN THE DOCUMENT REMAIN AS WHAT THEY NORMALLY WERE.

WERE JUST ADDED CLARIFICATION THAT IF THE ROAD IS STILL BEING USED FOR CONSTRUCTION ACCESSES, IT'S GOING TO DELAY US TAKING OWNERSHIP OF IT.

BECAUSE AGAIN, WE DON'T WANNA ACCEPT IT INTO OUR NETWORK UNTIL WE KNOW THAT IT'S IN GOOD CONDITION AND IT'S GONNA HAVE A LONG REMAINING USEFUL LIFE TO IT BEFORE WE ACCEPT IT.

IS THIS ROAD A THAT, WELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE SWORD LIGHT, IS THAT LAKESIDE BOULEVARD INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS ALSO LAKESIDE AND LAKESIDE EXTENSION OPEN NEW SECTIONS.

SO WEST, WHAT ROADS IN ALL OF WEST AR OLD AND NEW, WHAT DOES THE CITY, IS THE CITY OBLIGATED FOR? PECO.

SO YOU WILL END UP GETTING LAKESIDE BOULEVARD ITSELF.

THAT'S AN OBLIGATION THROUGH A SEPARATE DOCUMENT.

AND THAT IS AN OBLIGATION THAT WAS SIGNED FOR YEARS.

NONE OF THE OBLIGATIONS THAT WERE FROM THE 2006 AS FAR AS WHAT THE CITY WILL TAKE HAVE BEEN CHANGED.

SHE JUST, THERE'S THIS ADDITIONAL, UM, ASSURANCE HERE THAT IT'LL BE THAT 50% OF THE USAGE PLUS THE TWO AXLE.

UM, I GUESS, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, AND JOSH USED THE TERM ROAD NETWORKER, CITY DOESN'T HAVE A ROAD NETWORK.

WHY DO WE WANT TO TAKE OVER ANYWAY? WE DO NOT HAVE A FUND.

WE DO NOT HAVE A FUND TO MAINTAIN ROADS.

AND I'LL TELL YOU, I KNOW FROM MY PASTS PARENTS AND OTHER STATES, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.

WHY DIDN'T YOU WANT TO AGREE TO TAKE OVER THE OWNERSHIP OF ANY ROAD? THAT'S GONNA BE A VERY DIFFICULT QUESTION FOR US TO ASK BECAUSE STAFF IN THE COUNCIL THAT'S HERE, WERE NOT THE ONES THAT HADN'T BEEN IN THESE CONTRACTS, BUT THE CONTRACTS AS THEY EXIST REQUIRE US TO SET THE ROADWAY.

AND THIS IS BY NO MEANS THE ONLY EXAMPLE, THIS LAKESIDE BOULEVARD, THE SPINE ROAD THROUGH THE MORGAN TRACK, THE RIVERPORT PARKWAY NORTH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF ROADS THAT THE CITY HAS APPROVED IN THESE AGREES WHERE AFTER THEY'RE CONSTRUCTED WILL BE COMING TO US.

AND AS HOW WE HAVE ANOTHER AGREE, ONE THAT WE BOTH SIDES HAVE TO AGREE TO.

AND MY QUESTION REMIT, WHY DOES THE CITY WANT TO PAY TOGI? AND HE WROTE, IT'S A NEW CONTRACT.

IT'S NOT THE OLD CONTRACT, IT'S A NEW CONTRACT.

I, I'M, I DON'T WANT THE CITY TO TAKE OVER ANY VOTE.

UH, IT'S ONE THING I, I'M ATED 20 YEARS AGO MM-HMM .

BUT THIS IS 2025, NOT 20.

OH THE MAYOR, THE WAY I WOULD LOOK AT THIS IS ROADS THAT ULTIMATELY SERVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE.

SO HELPING THE CITIZENRY GET FROM ONE AREA OF THE COMMUNITY TO ANOTHER SHOULD BE IN THE PUBLIC ROUTE.

NOW WHETHER THAT'S THE COUNTY, WHETHER THAT'S THE STATE OR ULTIMATELY THE CITY, PUBLIC ROADS SHOULD BE OWNED AND MANAGED BY THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE THE CONTROL OVER IT.

AND WHERE THE ONES THAT ARE PROVIDING THAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC.

SO SOME OF THESE, AND I KNOW I'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH THIS, PARTICULARLY THIS GROUP, THAT IF THE ROADS ARE THERE TO PRIMARILY SERVE THE BENEFIT OF THE SUBDIVISION, THEN THAT'S DIFFERENT.

BUT IF THE ROAD'S GONNA SERVE THE PUBLIC FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, WE SHOULD CONSIDER TAKING THEM ON BECAUSE THEY ARE A PUBLIC SERVICE.

AND I JUST HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, JOSH, THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME THIS THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OVER MA NO MAINTENANCE TAXES THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE TODAY.

WE ARE, WE ARE NOT, OUR BUDGET HAS NO ROAD MAINTENANCE AND SAID, THIS IS A TOTALLY

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DIFFERENT SITUATION.

I DIDN'T SIGN, I DIDN'T AGREE TO 2005, BUT I'M, I AM BEING ASKED TO THINK SO.

BUT I WOULD SAY IF WE CAN'T GET OUT OF IT, THEN WE DON'T TAKE OVER THE ROAD UNTIL ALL 4,000 HOMES ARE BUILT.

PIERCE.

CAN THE CITY TRANSFER THAT TO THE STATE? AND CAN YOU TRANSFER THESE ROADS TO THE STATE? STATE HAS TO ACCEPT.

THEY'D BE WILLING TO ACCEPT.

WOULD THEY NOT BE, I MEAN CONSIDERING JASPER COUNTY, LIKE TAXES ALL OF THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.

AM JUST HAVE OR OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

IT WILL HAVE TO EVOLVE THOUGH.

VERY MUCH.

AND I, I, AND EVEN SEE THAT, AND I AGREE WE HAVE SOME THAT WE CAN'T.

WE GOT 'CAUSE BUT THEY TAKE IT ON ADDITIONAL.

I HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT I'LL TELL YOU WITH WHERE WE'RE GOING IN THE FUTURE, WHEN WE GET, YOU KNOW, BECOME A POPULATION THAT SPORT TO 50,000 RESIDENTS, IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER SIMILARLY SIZED MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS THE STATE THAT ARE OF THAT SIZE, THEY HAVE ROAD DEPARTMENTS AS PART OF THEIR SERVICES.

WELL IF WE CAN PUSH THAT DOWN THE ROAD TO THE 4,000 OR IT GIVES US TIME TO FIGURE OUT HOW ARE, HOW IN THE HELL ARE WE GONNA PAYING FOR? IT'S AN WELL, AND THAT'S, SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WHEN WE ACCEPT IT, WE'RE ACCEPTING IT WITH AN UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S BEEN BUILT TO CERTAIN STANDARDS AND THAT THE REMAINING USEFUL LIFE ON IT IS SUCH THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO GO IN AND IMMEDIATELY START MAKING REPAIRS.

BUT THEY STILL THOUGH, WHEN WE, WHEN WE START TAKING THAT ON THOUGH IMMEDIATE REPAIRS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT CAN GO INTO THIS.

YOU KNOW, IT, WE'VE ALL SEEN ROADS THAT ARE LESS THAN 2, 3, 4 YEARS OLD THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE PROMISED THEY, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE.

AND I, YES, I DON'T WANT TO BURGER SOMEBODY FUTURE RESIDENCE OR FUTURE COUNSEL MM-HMM .

WITH SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I'M SAYING THIS ON FROM WHAT I ACTUALLY MEAN, MISTAKES WERE MADE IN 2005 AND SIX.

AND I'LL BE DAMNED IF I WANNA MAKE THOSE SAME MISTAKES OF YOU.

UM, YES SIR.

JUST TO SAY SOMEONE ABOUT THE ROSE, I MEAN JUST, WE, WE, THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT LAKESIDE BOULEVARD AND THE, AND THE MAINTENANCE.

I MEAN, IT'S A 20-YEAR-OLD ROAD AND LAST YEAR WE WENT THROUGH AND WE DROVE THE EXISTING FROM 2 78 ALL WAY.

EVERY SINGLE MAIN ROAD IN THERE.

AND WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF ALL THOSE HOMES AND THE DEVELOPMENT UP TO THAT DATE, WE COULD ONLY FIND $10,000 WORTH OF REPAIRS.

AND WE REALLY HAD TO SEARCH.

AND A LOT OF IT WAS WHERE SOMEONE HAD COME THROUGH AND THEY HAD TRIED TO DO, UH, LIKE A BORING OR A CUTTING THE, AND THE, AND THE SURFACE.

AND AS THE ROADS THAT WE HAVE FROM THE CONTINUATION ON THAT WE'RE BUILDING ARE NEW, ARE TO THOSE SAME STA STANDARDS.

AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY BUILT, UH, WALTER PARKWAY.

I MEAN THE CROSS SECTION IS VARIED.

SO AS FAR AS AN IMMEDIATE TWO TO THREE YEAR NEED, THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING UNBEARING THAT MIGHT HAPPEN, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE TALKED TO THE HOA AND IF IT'S A CONSTRUCTION DAMAGE, WE OVER PICK YOUR REPAIR THAT, BUT THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD IS HIGHWAY STANDARDS.

SO THAT INTERNAL ROAD, YOU SHOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE JUST LIKE GOING DOWN BUCKLE PARKWAY 2 78, ANY OF THOSE ROADS THAT ARE BUILT TO THAT LEVEL, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.

IT'S 10, 15, 20 YEARS NOW, WHICH WILL ALLOW YOU TO DEVELOP YOUR, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, AS THE RESIDENTS COME AND YOU START DEVELOPING YOUR, YOUR ROAD SERVICE.

PERFECT.

HOW MANY HOMES ARE COMPLETED IT OFF OF BLAKE'S SIDE? YOU GO, YOU HAS THAT TODAY IT'S, YEAH.

HAVE THEY POUND? SO ANOTHER 4,700 MINUTES COMING ONTO THE, ONTO THAT TO USE THAT ROOF? I WOULD SAY SO.

'CAUSE THIS DEVELOPMENT IN AND OF ITSELF WAS WHAT, 4,000? 4,000? HOW 300? WHAT'S OUR TOTAL CU POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT? IS THERE THIS ONE? WELL THAT'S, SO THIS ONE IS 4,000, BUT I'M TALKING THE EXISTING COST ALL WEST.

ORIGINALLY IT WAS 9,000 ALL.

SO IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A 4,700 PLUS.

SO ROUGHLY WE'RE GONNA, LET'S SAY 6,000 HOMES, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM .

SO I, AND I'M NOT PICKING ON THIS DEVELOPMENT AT ALL, BUT THIS IS JUST A SHOCK THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT WE WILL, THESE ARE COMING ONLINE AND IT'S GONNA COST A LOT OF MONEY.

IT WILL IN THE FUTURE.

IT'S NOT GONNA COST YOU A LOT OF MONEY A DAY.

AND AGAIN, IF WE ENSURE THAT BY THE TIME THAT WE GO TO ACCEPT IT, ONE, IT'S NOT GONNA DETERIORATE FASTER WITHIN OUR NORMAL CONDITIONS.

TWO, IN THEORY, THOSE ROADS SHOULD HAVE A USEFUL LIFE OF ANYWHERE BETWEEN 20 TO 40 YEARS.

NOW, DOES IT MEAN THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME IN AND DO SOME SPOT REPAIRS AND SOME THINGS THAT MAY COME UP, BUT YOU START PUTTING ASIDE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY DURING THAT FIRST YEAR SO THAT BY THE TIME YOU HIT YEAR 20 AND YOU HAVE TO DO A FULL RESURFACE, YOU'VE SAVED UP THE MONEY THAT YOU THEN HAVE AVAILABLE MM-HMM .

BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A UNIQUE SITUATION, THIS DEVELOPED.

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THERE'S, WE HAVE OTHERS.

I UNDERSTAND IT.

BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, AND I THINK THE POINT THAT I'M MAKING IS, IS YOU ONLY NEED $10,000 AND I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT THAT'S ONLY WITH A THOUSAND HOMES.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD ALMOST ANOTHER 5,000 TO PUT TO PUT ON THAT ROPE.

AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS THE WAY IT'S GONNA BE WHEN THAT ROAD COMES TURNED OVER.

EVERYBODY IS IN AGREEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU CONSIDER IN GOOD SHAPE AND I CONSIDER IN GOOD SHAPE, AND THEN WE HAVE AN ENGINEER IN THERE SUDDENLY CAN FLEE.

ABSOLUTELY.

WELL ENGINEER.

AWESOME.

THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE TURN UP.

OKAY, SIR.

AND, AND SOMETHING ELSE JUST TO KEEP IN MIND, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE TALK ABOUT IT RELATIVELY FREQUENTLY.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE EXISTING ROADS THAT SC DOT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING AND THE LEVEL OF RESPONSE THAT THEY'VE DONE, THERE'S NOTHING MORE FRUSTRATING THAN THE CITIZEN CALLING UP AND SAYING, HEY, THIS, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE HERE.

AND WE SAY, SORRY, IT'S NOT OUR ROAD.

YOU GOTTA TALK TO THE STATE.

AND THEN THE STATE NEVER DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

SO YES, THIS, THIS WILL BE AN EXPENSE, IT WILL BE BORN BY HARDY V RESIDENTS, BUT IN THEORY IT ALSO ENSURES THAT WE'RE RESPONDING WITH A SERVICE LEVEL THAT'S MORE REACTIVE TO WHAT THE POPULATION'S LOOKING FOR THAN WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER GOVERNMENTS HAVE DONE, AT LEAST UP UNTIL THIS POINT.

SO JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO KEEP IN MIND.

I JUST FEEL, I WOULD SAY I FEEL BETTER THE 4,700 WE TAKE THE ROAD OVER WHEN CONS SCRATCHING HIS DEATH.

WELL LET, IF I COULD, FROM WHAT LEGAL'S STANDPOINT, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE SECOND AMENDED AND RESTATED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT COLOS MUCH MORE PROPERTY, EVEN JUST THE PROPERTY OUR THIS SHADOW RIGHT NOW THAT AN OBLIGATION IS IN THE SECOND AND AMEN.

I HATE IT.

AND SO YOU HAVE THAT OBLIGATION OUTSIDE OF WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH THIS.

UM, AND WE DON'T OWN LAKESIDE BOULEVARD, SO WE CAN'T AGREE TO CHANGE ANYTHING THAT AFFECTS OTHER PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T OWN OVER.

NOW I AGAIN, BY YOUR PAST EXPERIENCE, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE 20 YEAR ROADS, YEARS, WHAT'S BEING BUILT THERE? TWO, WHAT'S THE EXPECTED LIFETIME? THE ROAD THAT WILL BE BUILT ROAD A THAT WILL TYPO.

THAT'S FOR YOU THE EXPECTATIONS.

SO THE DESIGN OF LAKESIDE BOULEVARD, ASSUMING THAT INTERNAL TO THE PROPERTY.

WELL, NOW WHERE THE ROADS WE'RE GONNA TAKE OVER THAT ARE NOT BUILT ROAD A MM-HMM .

WHAT IS THE, I I KNOW WHAT BUCK WATER IS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A 20 YEAR WATER OR 50 U IN GENERALIST.

WAS IT GENERALLY SPEAKING, A, A DESIGN YEAR FOR ROSE SOMEWHERE TOWARD 18 TO 20 YEARS.

NOW A LOT OF IT COMES DOWN TO HIGH, WELL, IS TAKEN CARE OF, WELL, MAINTENANCE, DRAIN LEAK LIKE REPAIRS THAT OCCURRED RACKING IN THE ROADWAY.

AND SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, THAT'S KIND OF AN EXPECTATION.

AND THE REASON I ASK, AGAIN, I'M DRAWING ON PAST EXPERIENCE, ROADS ON HILLS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THAN THE FLAT ROWS WE GOT HERE ARE BUILT TO A 30 TO 40 YEAR STANDARD.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT A 20 YEAR STANDARD IS AND A 40 YEAR STANDARD, BUT IF THERE'S A DIFFERENCE, I'D LIKE THE 40 YEARS I'D LIKE TO PAIR.

NO, I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S A DIFFERENT, AND I DON'T KNOW THE TECHNICAL THING FOR THE, FOR THE HARD TOP, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE BUILDING THERE? SHOULDN'T THAT BE THOSE SPECIFICATIONS? READ THE, UH, LAYOUT IN THIS, IN THIS, UH, THERE I CAN, I I JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS BECAUSE THE, THE STANDARD IS 50% OF THE USEFUL LIFE.

SO IF IT'S, I JUST KEEP THAT IN LINE.

SO IF IT'S 20 YEAR, WELL, I'M ASKING THESE, WHAT'S THE USEFUL LIFE? AND I KNOW FROM A FOR A FACT THAT ROADS ARE BUILT TO 33 YEARS.

SO IF YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU GONNA BUILD A ROAD THAT LAST 20 YEARS, MY QUESTION IS WHY WOULD WE BUILD A ROAD THAT'S GONNA LAST 40 YEARS? PROBABLY THAT'S FULL TRIAL THOUGH.

THE DIFFERENCES.

AND THAT'S WHERE FULL TRAFFIC SAYS 50 YEARS OF FULL TRAFFIC.

SO EXPECTING 50 YEARS OF, FOR 20 YEARS OF 6,000 RESIDENTS AND THAT 6,000 RESIDENTS WE'RE STILL 20, 30 SOMETHING 10 YEARS DOWN RESIDENTS.

A $3,500 ROAD FEE, IT COULD HAVE AN INBACK.

BUT HE'S JUST ASKING WHAT'S GONNA BE DESIGNED.

YEAH, I I'M JUST, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT, AND THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE SPECIFIED SPECIFIC DESIGN STANDARDS.

BEAST.

NOT, MY QUESTION IS, JOSH, WELL I IT ONE I THINK WE, LET'S CHECK WITH ASKED.

SO THERE'S A BIG EXPECT, THERE'S A LIFE EXPECTATION, RIGHT? YES.

SAID IT GOES BACK TO MADE IT, WE COULD GET, LET'S JUST SHAKE THAT NUMBER AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY DOESN'T STANDARD.

THAT'S WHY I'M WE'LL CHECK THAT THERE'S ALSO OTHER FACTORS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SUCH AS COST.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, A LOT OF THE INTERSTATES GET CONCRETE RATHER THAN ASPHALT BECAUSE THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC AND A LIFE THAT TAKES, BUT THE COST OF CONSTRUCTING THAT IS EXPONENTIALLY GREATER THAN WHAT IT IS TO PUT DOWN BLACK TOP.

AND SO PART OF THAT IS LITTLE, WELL THAT'S, BUT THEN THOSE FEES GETTING PASSED ON TO THE RESIDENTS, IF THAT GOES FROM A $500, YOU KNOW, ROAD FEE TO

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SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.

UM, JUST TAKE THE LOOK.

I WISH, YOU KNOW, NOT ON THE ANSWER YOU, BECAUSE YOU COULD SAY IT'S A ROAD AND YOU PUT GRAVEL DOWN AND YOU COULD PUT A ROAD AT S CEMENT WAS, THERE'S TWO BIG THINGS.

AND MY QUESTION IS, SHOULDN'T IT BE SPECIFIED? THE, THE QUALITY EQUALITY.

BUT SO IT, I MEAN IT IS, IT IS IN THE CC MT DO RIGHT? THE DESIGN OF S-C-D-O-T STANDARDS AND S-C-D-O-T DOES HAVE A SPECIFIC STANDARD.

SO EASY UTILIZES A BASE LEVEL.

HOWEVER, JUST TO BE CLEAR AND BE KICK WHAT A GEOTECH IS INVOLVED ALSO TO CONFIRM THAT, BECAUSE THOSE ARE JUST GENERIC, STANDARD BASED HIGH FLOW.

I THINK WHAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, THERE'S A MYTH.

THEY'RE DEFINITELY A MINIMUM.

WE WOULD BE ABLE TO JUST COME BACK AND TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THE NZDO REQUIRES THIS, THAT WOULD ROUGHLY TRANSLATE TO THIS CUT LIFE EXPECTANCE.

THE QUESTION YOU I AND WHICH YOU CAN ANSWER AND KNOW THE TIME FOR ME.

THERE, THERE'S TWO ISSUES HERE.

NUMBER ONE, WHAT IS THE LIFE EXPECTANCY? IS THE ROAD THAT'S BEING PUT DOWN THERE.

NUMBER TWO, CAN WE TAKE, GO TO THIS ROAD, WE'RE IN ALL 4,000 BILL.

I WOULD TELL YOU THAT'S A NEGOTIABLE TERM BECAUSE WHAT'S IN THE DOCUMENT NOW OKAY, IS A NEGOTIABLE TERM.

WELL SPEAK THAT NEGOTIATION WITH THE, AND IT NEEDS TO DEPEND ON WHICH ROAD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS IT TALKING ABOUT ROAD A.

JUST SPECIFICALLY ROAD A, NOT TALKING ABOUT LAKESIDE BOULEVARD TALKING TO LAKE LAKESIDE BOULEVARD, LAKESIDE.

WE'RE DUMB.

WE CAN'T DO THAT'S WHAT SAYS BECAUSE THEY DON'T OWN IT.

THIS, SO REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THIS GETTING A CARVE OUT OF OKAY.

THE WEST ARCH.

SO THEN WE'RE ON LIQUID EXCLUSIVE.

YOU CAN NEGOTIATE THE ROADS THAT ARE COVERED BY ERE, BUT THAT THAT IS TOUCH KNOWING THAT YOU ARE GONNA TAKE ALL THESE WHAT I'M, I'M CONCERNED.

I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE ROADS THAT THEY'RE GONNA KEEP.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CITY ROAD.

WE'RE GONNA OWN IN 10 15.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, RIGHT DUDE, BECAUSE IT, THAT'S THE GOOD QUESTION.

WE WERE DISCUSSING THAT IT IS THE ROAD A SECTION LAKESIDE BOULEVARD EXTENSION INTERNAL ON THE PROPERTY ROAD A 'CAUSE WE SHIP THAT, THAT TURN GETS INTERCHANGED A LOT.

ROAD A YEAH.

LOCATION THAT WILL SEE WE THROW BACK ON A MAP.

THERE'S FOR IS OWNED BY DOT THAT WILL REMAIN OWNED BY DOT MM-HMM .

THAT'S NOT AN EXPECTATION FOR THE CITY TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THAT.

WHEN WE GET TO COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE MAPS SHOWING SPECIFICALLY COUNCIL, WHICH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

'CAUSE I I'M LOOKING AT A BLANK SCREEN RIGHT NOW.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE UP THERE.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT FOR LET'S PLEASE, I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

YOU WANNA KNOW WHICH ROADS YOU'RE TAKING.

OATS ARE THIS, AND THEN YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE THOSE TRIGGERS WILL BE BEYOND THE TRIGGER.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE.

HERE'S NO, AND I KNOW IT'S ALL NEGOTIABLE, BUT THESE ARE POINTS THAT YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK THE PORT, THE GRANDSON WANTS TO BE A CIVIL ENGINEER SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD.

BE HE, HE'S 10 YEARS OLD.

BUT HE ALSO, SO I I KEEP HEARING THE, THE SAYING THAT YOU GUYS DON'T OWN LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.

WHO OWNS LAKESIDE? I THE SAME HOA DOES NOT.

YES, ALWAYS.

NO, THEY DON'T BECAUSE WE, LENA HAS NOT TURNED OVER THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE RESIDENTS.

THEY ARE, WE ARE STILL PAYING FUNDS TO LENA TO MAINTAIN EVERYTHING ACCORDING TO YOUR TAX RECORDS.

THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE ISHARE.

I CAN PULL OUT ALREADY.

WELL, WELL THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN GETTING, WE'VE BEEN GETTING OUR FEES SUCKED TOWARDS THAT ROAD.

AND I, AND IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN SOMEBODY'S BEEN PLAYING GAMES BECAUSE, AND THEN ALSO IF, IF IT IS IHOA, LIKE YOU SAY, I'M JUST GIVING YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT IT'S NOT YOU, YOUR, YOUR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC IS USING LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.

YOUR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC IS WHAT'S TEARING UP LAKESIDE BOULEVARD, YOUR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC DRIVE LIKE MANIAC STYLE LAKESIDE BOULEVARD ENDANGERING OUR RESIDENTS, NOT JUST IN AQUI AND LAKES, BUT IN MAG PARK, MED WALK AND THE PRESERVE.

WELL, WE'RE NOT DEVELOPING ANY OF THAT.

WELL, YOUR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC COMES DOWN THAT ROAD, MA'AM.

AND THEN MISS NAN DID MAKE THE, THE, THE STATEMENT IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR THAT LK DEVELOPMENT IS GOING, WILL TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.

NOW IS THAT STILL THE SAME OR IS THAT DOUBT AISHA? ALL, I'M GONNA CLARIFY SOME OF THAT.

I THINK I CAN HELP CLARIFY SOME OF THIS.

THE LAKESIDE BOULEVARD AND OTHER PROPERTIES AND AREAS OF PROPERTY ARE OWED BY HOA.

SO THE HOA DOES HUNT NOW BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY PAY TAXES ON.

SO WHEN THEY GO AND A TAX BILL COMES ON THOSE PARCEL NUMBERS TO JASPER COUNTY, THE HOA THROUGH YOUR FEES, AND PART OF IT IS THE ROAD MAINTENANCE BUREAU, WHATEVER PAYS

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THOSE TAXES.

UM, THE, THAT FUND WAS SET UP WITH THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OR THE OLD VA THAT AFTER 3000 UNITS THAT WROTE , THAT THAT WOULD BE TURNED OVER TO THE CITY OF HARDY WORK.

THAT FEE IS BEING COLLECTED BECAUSE AT THAT TIME THEY ESTIMATED YOUR REPAIR COST AND BECAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW THE TIMING AS THING, BUT THEY ESTIMATED, I MEAN THIS IS 20 YEARS OLD, RIGHT? BUT THAT ROAD IS ALMOST 20 YEARS OLD.

SO AT THAT TIME, THAT FEE WAS DETERMINED, DEVELOPMENT SLOWED DOWN.

AND SO THAT BANK OR THAT CHECKING ACCOUNT, BUT YOU SEE KEEPS GROWING BECAUSE OF THE FEES AS PEOPLE MOVE IN THAT KEEPS ADDING TO THAT.

WHAT HAPPENS IS AT THE TIME OF TURNOVER, THE CITY WILL COME AND INSPECT THAT ROW.

IF IT IS DETERMINED THAT IT IS A CONSTRUCTION DAMAGE TO WEAR AND TEAR AN LK DEVELOPMENT.

I HAVE A RESTATED WHAT PATRICK WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT FORCE IF IT IS CONS AND AN ENGINEER WILL BE MAKING THIS ASSESSMENT, MEANING AN ENGINEER, A THIRD PARTY ENGINEER COMES INSPECT THE PHONE, INSPECTS THE ROADS.

IF YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT BY THAT TIME, INSPECTS THE ROADS, HE GIVES A PUNCH LIST.

IT'S CREE OBVIOUSLY.

IF A, IF A, IF A PIECE OCCUR IS BROKEN IN HALF, EITHER WE WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT WOULD BE SOME KIND, UNLESS IT'S A GEOTECH ISSUE, WE'D ASSUME THAT'S CONSTRUCTION DAMAGE.

IF IT IS SOME ALLIGATOR IN WHICH IS A COMMON MAINTENANCE ISSUE ON A ROAD TOP SURFACE, PART OF YOUR FUNDS WILL GO TO REPLACE THAT BEFORE IT'S TURNED OVER TO THE CITY.

THAT'S WHAT THE HOA FUND IS FOR.

SO, SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

I I I THINK I I THINK THERE'S SOME CONFUSION HERE.

WHEN YOU GUYS SAY HOA YES, RIGHT NOW WE ARE A POA BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, WE THE PROPERTY IS NOT TURNED OVER TO THE RESIDENCY.

LENA STILL RUNS THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO IT'S A HOA AND LENA IS THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS ON THE HOA.

THEY ARE SAME EMPLOYEES THAT WORK FOR LENA IS ALSO THE HOA AND WE HAVE NO SAYING WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.

ZERO.

SO WHEN YOU GUYS SAY THE HOA OWNS THE BOULEVARD, THAT MEANS BY DEFAULT WE OWN THAT BOULEVARD AND IT'S YOUR TRAFFIC THAT'S UP AND DOWN LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.

SO HOW DO WE RECONCILE THIS? UH, AGAIN, IT'S LIKE, IT'S EVERYBODY YOU BUILDING, THERE'S TRAFFIC.

SO IT'S A COMMON, COMMON DENOMINATOR OF THAT.

AND I, I GUESS THE BEST THING, AS WE TALKED BEFORE, IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH CONSTRUCTION, YOU WERE GONNA REACH OUT TO ME OR TO THE HOA AND YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A DOCUMENTATION, HEY THERE'S A PICTURE HERE AND THAT'S LOOKS LIKE THAT IS CONSTRUCTION NEIGHBORS WHERE YOU TAKE A PICTURE OF A, A LONGTON TRUCK GOING 85 MILES AN HOUR DOWN THERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT IS BEING SAID AND IT FLIPS OVER AND IT BREAKS SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT THE LOGGING TRUCK IS GONNA TAKE CARE OF THAT REPAIR.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO MITIGATE THAT IN ANY KIND OF WAY.

'CAUSE IT IS AGAIN, BUT WE'RE TALKING HERE IS AN EXISTING CONDITION UNDER THE DA THAT SAYS THAT MTOR 3000 UNITS, THAT'S GONNA BE DONE.

AND HOA CCRS ARE ACTUALLY RECORDED THAT DOCUMENT.

AND EVERY, EVERY YEAR THERE'S AN ANNUAL BUDGET THAT'S ADDED.

UM, I DON'T, I DON'T GIVE A BALL OUR IS DOING, YOU KNOW, PER SE AS FAR AS HOW THEY'RE RUNNING THE HOA OR WHATEVER.

BUT I DO HEAR FROM PATRICK WHO IS THE MANAGING COMPANY, THAT IF THERE'S AN ISSUE AND THEY HAVE THERE, YOU GUYS HAVE BOUGHT THE MEETINGS OR YOU KNOW, JUST WE DON'T HAVE ANY, I'M LIKE, I'M TELLING YOU, MR. STEIN AS A RESIDENT IN, IN, IN, IN THAT USES THAT BOULEVARD, IT'S OUR ONLY WAY IN AND OUT OF THAT DEVELOPMENTS, WE ARE NOT PRIVY TO ANYTHING THAT GOES OUR OWN THERE.

THAT IS WHY, I MEAN, I GET SLAMMED EVERY DAY.

LIKE THE, THE RUN UP TO THIS MEETING, I'VE BEEN GETTING SLAMMED EVERY DAY ABOUT THIS ROAD IS PEOPLE SAY IT'S THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC THAT'S UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD.

THEY ARE TEARING UP THE ROAD.

WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT.

AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT MADAM COUNCIL SAID ABOUT, UH, THE, THE, UH, THE 3000 PLUS TWO YEARS.

IT'S THE 3000 COO PLUS TWO YEARS IS WHEN IT, IF THE CITY TAKES OVER, MY, MY CONCERN IS THE HERE AND NOW.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE TO GET WITH LENA AND FIX THIS AND LEAVE US THE RESIDENTS OUT OF THIS EQUATION BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT IS RIGHT FOR THE RESIDENTS TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THESE DAMAGES THAT WE ARE NOT, BUT YOU HAVE NOT PAID FOR.

I I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IT'S A YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR ANYTHING.

I, I I UNDERSTAND THAT MR. KNE.

AND ALL CONSTRUCTION IS DONE.

I WANT IT IN WRITING.

I WANT IT SOMEWHERE WHERE IT SAYS THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT UNTIL,

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BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE PICKING UP THE TAB FOR DEVELOPERS DOING CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THAT, THAT DEVELOPMENT.

MS, IF I COULD, IF I COULD, IF I COULD PLEASE JUMP IN HERE BECAUSE I LIKE, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP US ON TRACK TO THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC AND MY NOTES COMING HERE.

POTHOLES, RESER, RESURFACING.

NUMBER FIVE, LK TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ROAD REPAIRS CAUSED BY CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES.

LIST EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS.

ITS, UH, A SUGGESTIVE PHOTOGRAPHIC INVENTORY OF CURRENT, UH, CONDITIONS AND CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHAT REPAIRS WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR OR WE'LL FIX.

IT NEEDS TO BE DEFY.

SO IF WE HAVE IN WRITING THAT DOCUMENT THAT WILL ADDRESS MRS. GUZMAN'S CONCERN.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE'S ASKING FOR.

THIS IS EXACTLY NUMBER FIVE IN THE NOTES THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'RE WRITING BEFORE LARGE TALK.

YOU OWN THE HAA, RIGHT? LIKE DO YOU UNDERSTAND? DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE TO ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, LK HAS SAID THEY'LL PAY FOR DAMAGE CAUSED BY CONSTRUCTION AND THAT'LL BE DONE AT THE TIME TO TRANSFER, WHICH WILL BE DETERMINED BY INDEPENDENT ENGINEER.

WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PUT THAT IN WRITING.

WE WANT, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S, WE'VE UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT'S THE GOAL OF THE ASIS GUZMAN IS THAT WHATEVER THAT AGREES THAT WE HAND THAT IN WRITING TO BE PART OF MARCH TWENTIETHS AGREEMENT AND THAT WE, WE, THE COUNCIL HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE THAT IN OUR PACKING UP PRIOR TO MARCH 20TH.

UM, AND, AND ON, ON A SIDE NOTE OF THAT, UH, ROAD CONSTRUCTION IS, UM, MY CONCERN IS THE STORM DRAINS BEING BLOCKED BY THE MUD AND CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS THAT THESE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS KEEP DROPPING DOWN THE MAIN DRAG.

I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE IN THE RAIN BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, ENTIRE ALMOST AN UH, LENS OF, OF, UH, UH, LANES BLOCKED BECAUSE THE STONE GRAIN HAS BEEN BLOCKED AND THEN IT FLOODS AND THEN ONE WHOLE LANE IS UNPASSABLE.

SO THAT NEEDS TO GET FIXED BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY KIND OF, UH, GUARDS ON THE STORM DRAINS TO PREVENT THE MUD AND OTHER DEBRIS GOING INTO THE STORM DRAINS BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THE STUFF THAT'S GOING INTO THE STORM DRAINS WILL END UP IN THE RIVERS.

AND THAT TO ME IS, IS I FIND THAT EBOLA THAT WE ARE POLLUTING THE WATERS OF, OF, OF, UH, THE AREA THAT WE LIVE IN.

SO YOU GUYS, IT'S INCUMBENT UPON YOU GUYS.

I DON'T KNOW WHO, WHETHER IT IS GOING TO BE THE HARMONIUM PEOPLE.

LK, UH, LENA DREAM FINDERS, I, I REALLY, IT DOESN'T CONCERN ME WHO DOES IT, BUT IT NEEDS TO GET DONE.

THOSE STORM DRAINS NEED TO BE PROTECTED BECAUSE LETTING MAR ALL KINDS OF OTHER DEBRIS GO INTO OUR STORM DRAINS IS, IS REPLICABLE.

SO THAT'S, I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

SO IF WE REQUIRE SOIL AND EROSION CONTROL, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE SILL FENCING THAT GOES UP AROUND ALL THESE SITES TO ESSENTIALLY PROTECT HER FROM THAT.

ULTIMATELY WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT IS THE ENTITY THAT'S CAUSING THAT SITUATION TO OCCUR.

SO IT MAY DEPEND UPON WHO'S ACTIVELY CONSTRUCTING AT ANY POINT IN TIME AND WHERE THAT MUD'S COMING FROM.

WELL, I THINK WHAT MRS. GUZMAN IS TALKING ABOUT, IT'S THE LONG LAKE SIDE EARTH BYS ALREADY DEVELOPED THERE.

THERE'S, IT'S GOING INTO STORM DRAINS.

AND WHO IS THAT FROM? CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES? IS IT FOA? IT IS.

FIND THE EQUIP IF, IS IT FROM WEATHER? IS IT FROM THE, THE RESIDENCE? YOU KNOW, OKAY, THIS PIECE OF MUD'S FROM THE CONSTRUCTION, THIS PIECE OF MUD'S FROM THE SOMEBODY'S CAR, THE, THE, THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

THE POINT IS WE GO IN AROUND THE CITY AND WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE CLEARING OUT THOSE CULLET MM-HMM .

I THINK WHAT MRS. GUZMAN IS CONCERNED ABOUT, WHO'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THOSE DRAIN CULLET, UH, CLEAR SO THAT THE PROPER DRAINS GOES THROUGH TO MIGHT STAY.

THEN WE CAN'T NECESSARILY HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE THROUGH INCLUDING IT AS PROVISION, THEN IT SHOULD BE A SEPARATE SUBJECT.

THAT.

SO CAN WE HAVE THAT ALSO, UH, SOMEWHAT CLARIFY WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE, THE MAINTENANCE OF, OF KEEPING WHEREVER THOSE DRAINS ARE? WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING IT? TWO 70 DOT? YEAH.

YOU KNOW, IF IF THERE'S PARTIES SUBJECT TO THE AGREEMENT, THEN YES, BUT THERE, IF THERE'S PARTIES THAT ARE INVOLVED THAT ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THIS AGREEMENT,

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IT COULD BE YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS, AND THAT'S WHERE I, I'M NOT SURE WHO ALL'S OUT THERE BUILDING AND WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS BETWEEN THIS GROUP AND THOSE GROUPS THAT ARE OUT THERE.

THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS IF YOU ARE CONSTRUCTING IT AND YOU'RE THE ONES THAT ARE BRINGING MUD AND OTHER STUFF OFF THE SITE BECAUSE IT'S RAINED, IT'S WET, IT'S LOW, AND YOU'RE OUT THERE WITH HEAVY EQUIPMENT COMING INTO AND OFF OF THE SITE, YOU KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.

THOSE ARE THE ENTITIES THAT NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR JUST LIKE WE HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR CLEANING UP THEIR SITE AND MAINTAINING THEIR SITE THEMSELVES.

SO FROM, FROM MY STANDPOINT, THAT'S WHERE THE ENFORCEMENT COMES IN, IS TO MEMBERS DO US.

SO WE MAY NOT BE, BECAUSE AGAIN, TO KEEP US ON TRACK, THAT MAY NOT BE PART OF WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE TODAY, BUT THAT DOESN'T DECREASE THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT MRS. GUZMAN'S CONCERN.

AND WE ARE VERY MUCH AWARE THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE AND UH, WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE DURING RAIN EVENTS MONITORING ALL OF THAT.

THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF THEIR SITE DEVELOPMENT PREVENT WHEN THAT HAPPENS.

SO IT IS BEING ENFORCED THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND SITE COMPLIANCES.

SO, SO THE NEXT TIME THERE'S A INSTALLMENT AND I GET REPORTS THAT LANES ARE BLOCKED AND IMPASSABLE, THEN I CAN JUST RUN OUT THERE, TAKE A PICTURE AND THEN I'LL ZOOM IT OUT TO YOU.

THAT WOULD, THE BEST THING IS TO GET A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER RIGHT OUT THERE RIGHT AWAY AS THEY'LL LET ME AND R KNOW SO WE CAN GET SOMEBODY ON SITE.

CARVILLE HEARS HELPS.

YEAH, THAT TOO.

THAT'S, THAT MIGHT BE A, THE BEST WAY, WHETHER IT'S YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO GIVE THEM A RESOURCE THAT THEY CAN USE TO REPORT THAT TIMELY.

IS THAT HARDY? HERES IN HEALTH BECAUSE IT'LL COME IN, THEY CAN TAKE A PICTURE, ATTACH IT WITH IT, AND THEN THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT IT'S BEEN ASSIGNED TO A STAFF MEMBER AND THAT IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED.

WE HAVE DEFINITELY STEPPED UP ENFORCEMENT IN THAT EAR CARE OKAY.

AS LIKE TO GIVE THE FLOOR TO LAMAR THAT AND GREAT QUESTIONS.

I DID, I DIDN'T WANNA MAKE ONE POINT, UH, REGARDING THE, THE FLOODING MENTIONED OF LAKESIDE AND I HAVE NOT WITNESSED IT.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT OCCURRED, HOW IT OCCURRED, WHAT THE EXTENT OF IT WERE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, AND WE ALL, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THIS, BUT JUST GOTTA BRING IT BACK TO THE TOP, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT STORE MINIMUMS THAT OCCUR, RIGHT? AND, AND THERE'S A STANDARD YOU HAVE TO DESIGN SAY, YOU KNOW, 25 YEAR, TYPICALLY 50 YEAR FOR THESE FIVE ROADS.

WE HAVE HAD SOME BIGGER EVENTS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS TO DO SO.

SHOW EVERYBODY, BE COGNIZANT OF THAT AND DON'T SHOW IT.

IT IS ALARMING.

I AGREE.

UH, BECAUSE IT HAPPENED EVERYWHERE IN THE LOW COUNTRY.

BUT, BUT THEY, THEY DO OCCUR.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE RAN THOUGH THAN USUAL.

SO JUST, JUST BE COGNIZANT THAT, AND THAT THAT'S, SO WHAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IS YES.

EVEN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT I, THAT I LIVED, I MEAN THERE WAS TIME WHEN THEY HAVE THE BAGS IN FRONT OF THE DRAINS TO PREVENT THAT HE HAD A MASSIVE RAIN.

I GOT PICTURES OF PEOPLE IN KAYAKS GOING DOWN ON MY STREET.

THIS IS, BUT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS.

BUT YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE, THEY WANNA RUN OUT THERE AND PULL IN BAGS TO PREVENT THAT.

AND DAMNED IF YOU DO OR DAMNED IF YOU COLD .

BUT EVEN IF THEY DO, THAT BUTT IS GOING BLE.

AND, AND THAT THE OTHER THING IS, IS THOSE DRAINS ARE ALSO PART OF, IT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE STREETS THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER.

SO THOSE CULVERTS NEED TO BE CLEANED.

WELL WE, WHICH IS WHY, I'M TRYING TO GUESS TO THE POINT THAT WE CAN INTERJECT THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE ANYTHING OVER THAT'S STILL BEING USED FOR CONSTRUCTION ACCESS.

BECAUSE THE REALITY IS THAT'S WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM.

IT'S NOT FROM THE CARS AND TRUCKS THAT ARE COMING IN AND OUTTA THE SITE.

ONCE ALL THE ROADS ARE BUILT, IT'S COMING OFF OF THE GROUND WHILE IT'S BEING BUILT.

I UNDERSTAND.

SO THAT, THAT FOR THIS PURPOSE OF THIS CONVERSATION, THAT'S THE ISSUE IS WHEN WE TAKE OLD LEHE ROADS.

AND, AND THE EIGHT RIGHT ANSWER IS WE DON'T TAKE OVER ROADS UNTIL ALL CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES NOT, NOT THE, YOU KNOW, THE COURTS FEED YOU CARBONATED FOR, FOR CONSTRUCTION OF NEW HOMES AND, AND PRIOR TO THAT POINT, AN EN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM THROUGH OUR SITE OKAY.

I WOULD MAKE IS OKAY, I HAVE ONE OTHER SUGGESTION IS WE DID AT MARGARITAVILLE, 'CAUSE I KEEP HEARING THE SAME THING.

CAN OUR PD TAKE A DAY TO THE WHATEVER AND TAKE SPEED TRAFFIC KITS? ABSOLUTELY.

AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO DO THAT WITH PD.

IF YOU JUST WANNA GET SPEED COUNTS, THERE'S EQUIPMENT THAT YOU COULD INSTALL.

SO WHATEVER THE LITTLE IS THOUGH, WE USE LITTLE TRY USE SPEED WHEN WE DID MARGARITA BUILD NOW I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT KEEPS COMING UP FROM THE RESIDENTS CAP TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW FAST PEOPLE ARE GOING AND NOW FAST CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES ARE GOING SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN DEAL WITH DATA AND NOT, YOU KNOW, IMPRESSION.

ABSOLUTE CORRECT.

WE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS GEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS ON THAT.

I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, SCANNING EYE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, A CAR VAN 30 MILES AN HOUR, PEOPLE CAN'T TELL YOU WHETHER IT'S GOING 30 OR SIX.

ARE GOING 30 MILES AN HOUR CAN CERTAINLY APPEAR THAT IT'S GOING MUCH FASTER.

AND, AND A DUMP TRUCK, AS BIG AS THOSE THINGS

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ABSOLUTELY.

AND THAT'S WHY I THINK HAVING DAVID IS IS WOULD BE YES SIR.

WE CAN ABSOLUTELY WORK ON GATHERING.

SO, AND OKAY JOSH I JUST WILL SAY YOU A BREAD LINE WITH THIS JUST SO IT'S EASIER.

YEAH, LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON.

CTUS IS THE LAST BIG CHANGE.

SO YOU DO HAVE THE NEW ROUTE OF ROAD A.

SO THAT HAS BEEN REFLECTED YOUR DOCUMENT.

SO ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND, EXHIBIT TO THE DA IS YOUR PED.

SO ALL THE CHANGES THERE IN THE PEDS, THEY COMING ANNOUNCED TO THIS DOCUMENT.

THAT'S KIND OF WHY YOU WORK ON THEM AT THE SAME TIME SAW, JUST TO GET ALL ON GOOD VISUALIZATION.

SO WE HAVE, THIS WAS, YOU SEE THE NOTE WAS UPDATED IN 2024 NUMBERS.

UM, AND UH, SO IN THE WEST RJ DA AS YOU'RE AWARE, THERE WERE ROAD FEES THAT WERE SPLIT IN THE ONSITE AND OFF SITE OF YOU HAD THE POLICE AND FIRE FEE AND THEN YOU HAVE THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY CAPITAL FEE THAT WAS ADDED.

UM, 'CAUSE I THINK WE ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT TRYING TO ADD IT INTO THE POLICE AND FIRE FEE.

IT JUST MADE SENSE TO HAVE IT SET FOR US.

SO THE TRACKING'S EASY ON THAT, RIGHT? UH, SO IF YOU DO, WHEN AND IF YOU DO HAVE TO END UP ISSUING CREDITS, IT'S EASIER TO CALCULATE.

UH, AND THE REASON THE, THE ONSITE ROAD FEE WAS JUST REMOVED HERE, UH, THAT'S A DEVELOPER RESPONSIBILITY.

THEIR ONSITE ROADS ARE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.

SO FOR THE EASE OF TRACKING OPUS, IS IT JUST MADE SENSE? MM-HMM .

FOR THE CITY, THE CITY DOESN'T NEED TO COLLECT THAT AND THEN TURN AROUND AND GIVE IT RIGHT BACK.

UH, WE JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA COLLECT THOSE FEE.

YOU KEEP THAT MONEY, IT'S THE 40 59.

AND SO THAT WOULD'VE HAD BEEN, AGAIN, THAT'S BASED ON THE 43 56 DENSITY THAT IS ABOUT 17,681,000.

SO ABOUT $18 MILLION, UH, THAT THE CITY'S JUST NOT GONNA HAVE TO TRACK AN ACCOUNT FOR.

THE EXTERNAL FEES WERE LEFT.

UM, SO THAT'S 34 71 FOR RESIDENTIAL AND THEN YOU SEE THE 24 30 FOR MULTIFAMILY.

BUT THAT IS ESTIMATED THAT TOTAL BUILD OUT, AND AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR THE NUMBERS I GIVE YOU DON'T ACCOUNT FOR THE ADJUSTMENT FACTORS THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE DETER.

SO THAT'S ABOUT $15 MILLION THAT YOU'LL HAVE LEFT TO DO WHATEVER EXTERNAL, UH, YOU DETERMINE YOU NEED TO DO.

AND FOR THAT COULD BE SOME ROAD MAINTENANCE TO ACCOUNT FOR SETTING UP YOUR, UM, ROAD MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, WE RENAMED THE LIBRARY FEE.

I'M SORRY, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE GEAR, THE NUMBER IS THE EXACT SAME.

THE USAGE OF THAT IS CALLED NOW COMMUNITY FACILITIES FEE.

SO YOU CAN USE IT TOWARDS LIBRARY OR YOU COULD USE IT TOWARDS MAYBE A TECHNOLOGY TYPE OF CENTER BECAUSE LIBRARIES ARE NOW CHANGING AS WELL.

UH, A ANOTHER COMMUNITY FACILITY COULD BE A PLACE TO STORE YOUR ROAD EQUIPMENT STORE AT SHE HOP.

SO, UH, THAT, THAT USE HAS JUST BEEN EXPANDED, BUT THE AMOUNT HAS NOT CHANGED.

YOU'RE STILL COLLECTING THE SAME AMOUNTS.

THESE TO THAT HOME BUYER TO SAY, YES, YOU'RE PAYING FOR THESE, BUT ONCE YOU'RE GOING TO GET OUTTA IT IS AMY FI OKAY, NEW POLICE, YOU GONNA GET WHATEVER IT TENDS TO BE.

JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE, AS I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, RIGHT, THAT, THAT I UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS AND YOU GO BACK ABOUT THE DEVELOPER'S RESPONSIBLE OF THIS.

THE DEVELOPER IS NOT RESPONSIBLE.

AND, AND THESE, THESE FEES ARE ALL GONNA BE PAID BY A HOMEOWNER.

AND WE HAVE TO BE VERY CONSCIOUS OF THAT.

YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT, UH, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, ATTAINABLE HOUSING AND ALL THAT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A HARD BALANCE.

WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE FEES TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES, BUT WE HAVE TO BE CONSCIOUS THAT THE FEES ARE TOO HIGH.

WE WON'T HAVE HOME BUYERS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, EVERYBODY SAYS WELL, THE DEVELOPER, THE DEVELOPER, THE DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, I PAY ALL MY FEES.

THEY'RE BEING USED.

THEY, THEY WERE PAID TO THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT HE DIDN'T GET TO KEEP 'EM.

WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THESE FEESS AND THE VALUE THAT WE SET THEM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE'RE TRYING TO ENSURE THAT GROWTH IS BEING PAID FOR BY FUTURE RESIDENTS AND NOT CURRENT RESIDENTS.

SO WE, WE TRY TO VALUE THESE BASED UPON WHAT WE THINK THE ACTUAL COSTS IN CRITICAL THE FEE.

NOW, CERTAINLY WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SET UP A WAR CHEST OF DISCRETIONARY FUNDS THAT WE CAN USE FOR ANYTHING.

THEY DO NEED TO BE ATTRIBUTABLE TO THESE VARIOUS USES AND BASED UPON THE OPERATION THAT WE HAVE.

IT SHOULD BE WHAT'S NECESSARY, BUT NOT WHAT'S MORE THAN NECESSARY BECAUSE OF THE CONCERNS.

BUT IF WE WANNA MAKE SURE THE CURRENT RESIDENTS AREN'T HAVING TO PAY FOR NEW FACILITIES, NEW EQUIPMENT, NEW PERSONNEL, AT LEAST NOT INITIALLY, THEN THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ULTIMATELY HAVE TO WIND UP.

BECAUSE THIS IS THE COST OF PUTTING IN ALL THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ATTRIBUTABLE TO THAT GROWTH.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A MEAN, THIS IS, THESE ARE ALL ME EXPENSE THAT ARE GOING TO REFLECT BACK TO A HOME BUYER.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REFLECTING BACK NECESSARY.

THE DEVELOPMENT YOU THE BITMAN.

NO.

AND AS LONG AS WE CAN JUSTIFY

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THAT'S THE VISIBLE, ULTIMATELY GO FOR.

BUT, UH, SO THE POINT OF MAP, SAY DEEMED ON CY ROAD FEES, WE JUST, LET'S CUT OUT THE MIDDLELAND, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEVELOPER'S GONNA BUILD THEM.

THEY'RE GONNA BEAR THAT COST Y DO BE TO COLLECT IT AND THEN REIMBURSE THAT WHEN THEY CAN JUST WORK WITH THE BUILDERS THAT THEY'RE GONNA CONTRACT WITH TO RECOUP THAT COST AND TAKE US OUT AT THE EQUATION.

THE WHERE IT COMES TO FEES, THE NEW BUYERS, WE, THEY CREATE TRAVEL FROM HIRE.

IF THEY DON'T KNOW THE PAY, THEY JUST KNOW THEY GOT A HOME.

THEY GET A ROAD, THEY GET MARKED AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THAT POLICE FIRE, IT GOES INTO THE, INTO THE PARTS OF THE HOME.

THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THESE FEES IS, OKAY, HOW MUCH IS GOING AND, YOU KNOW, IT GOES TOWARDS INTERNAL FEES.

HOW MUCH IS LEFT? THERE WAS A CHART THAT WAS GIVEN TO US PRIOR.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH IS, AND I'LL COME BACK FOR EXTERNAL ROAD BS AFTER ROAD A ANDREZA IS ATE.

SO THAT IS ONE THING THAT YOU'LL HAVE THAT WAS COMING OUT OF THE LAST SPEED AND WITH THE REQUEST FROM THE BELLEVUE TEAM TO HAVE 50% OF THOSE EXTERNAL RIPS COME BACK.

THAT'S THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE.

WE, WE NEED, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THIS COUNCIL NEEDS A CHART.

HERE'S WHAT'S BEING COLLECTED.

YOU MENTIONED 18 MILLION, BUT THAT DOESN'T COUNT.

WITH'S ALSO BEING COLLECTED FOR THE INTERNS, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO WHAT WE ONLY WE NEEDED ON IT.

WE NEED, WHAT DOES THIS PAY FOR AND HOW MUCH WILL IT WE HAVE LEFT OVER? YES SIR.

FOUR EXTERNAL ROAD FEES AFTER ALL SEVEN.

SO WHAT WE'LL SHOW YOU IS THE $3,471 OFFSITE ROOF B TIMES THE NUMBER OF US THAT ARE GONNA BE BILL THAT'S 15,000,001, ONE NINES.

THAT, THAT.

BUT I, I THINK WHAT, WHAT WE NEED DO, YES.

BECAUSE THEN WE SUBTRACT THE COST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS.

YOU TWO, ONE RESPECT THING.

HERE'S WHAT'S LEFT.

GOT WE WE GET POINT.

YEAH, LET'S LEAVE, LET'S SOUNDS NOT THE NUMBERS NOT LOOKING AT NOT LOOKING BOTTOM LINE.

I THERE A LOT OF NUMBERS AND WELLS.

NUMBER THREE O ON MY LIST, THAT'S LIMIT THE EXTERNAL VOTE FEES.

THE $12 MILLION PROPOSED AND ALL THAT COSTS BE BOARD BY THE DEVELOPER, WHATEVER.

THEN THAT LEAVES 6 MILLION FOR THE CITY BASED ON THE NUMBERS I WAS GIVEN.

YOU WERE, AND I WERE GIVEN COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AFTER PRIOR TO THE LAST MEETING MM-HMM .

AND THAT'S WHAT I HAD ASKED FOR.

VOID THE CANCEL TUBE SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT EXACTLY THE NUMBERS ARE.

DOES THIS MEAN, DOES IT MEAN, YOU KNOW, WELL THIS, LISTEN, I THINK WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE ROAD FEE WAS AND THEN YOU CALCULATED IT WITH THE, UH, INFLATION FACTOR OVER TIME, IT WAS SOMETHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ABOUT 18 MILLION, UH, TOTAL.

AND AGAIN, IF THEY'RE GETTING 50% OF THAT, THEY WOULD GET 9 MILLION TO OFFSET AGAINST THE 11 TO TWO FOR BUILDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND THE CITY WOULD HAVE 9 MILLION APPROXIMATELY THEN TO USE FOR EXTERNAL ROAD PACKS.

BUT THAT'S THE DATA THAT WE WILL PUT TOGETHER SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT YOUR BANK.

UM, SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE EXTENT OF THE CHANGES IN THE DOCUMENT.

THOSE ARE THE RED LINES THAT ARE IN END.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DOCUMENT? 'CAUSE IF NOT, I WANNA GO BACK TO THE SIX POINTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE MEETING TO KIND OF CHECK ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH GETTING SOME MOVEMENT ON THOSE.

BUT FIRST, BEFORE WE DO THAT, I WANNA SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DOCUMENTS THEMSELVES.

NO, WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION BY THE 20TH.

WE'RE CUT.

I'M GOOD.

ALRIGHT, LET'S GO THEN.

LET'S GO TO THE CHAIRS FIRST.

FIRST ONE WAS GET AGREEMENT WITH RESIDENT REGARDING THE .

WHAT'S THE, WHAT, WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? SO SORRY, LET'S, UH, WE PULLING, PULLING AVAILABLE PUBLIC DATA.

WE, WE, WE THINK WE KNOW WHO THE COUPLE IS THAT OWNS THAT PROPERTY.

WE BELIEVE THEY LIVE IN LOFTON.

UH, WE'VE NOT YET MADE CONTACT WITH 'EM.

UH, IT SEEMS TO BE MAYBE IT'S A RENTAL PROPERTY.

UH, SO THE, THE PROPERTY, WE DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S RISKS.

SO IT WASN'T THAT PROPERTY.

IT, THE, THE PEOPLE LIVING THERE ARE NOT THE PEOPLE ON THE PROPERTY.

IT, IT WAS JUST SAYING IT.

WHAT, BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE ELDERS LIVE T THAT IS OUR BELIEF.

YES, IT IS CORRECT.

THE, THE TAX RECORDS SHOW THAT THE MAILING ADDRESS FROM THIS TAX BILL'S GOING TO AN ADDRESS ON THIS PROPERTY HERE, , THE ONES AFFECTED USED TO HAVE THE SINGLE FEE, WHICH IT STYLED HOUSE THAT

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WAS THERE.

THE HOUSE C**K FIRE BURST DOWN WAS ULTIMATELY REMOVED.

THAT THERE'S BEEN A TRAILER AND IT'S BEEN MOVED ON PROPERTY AT SOME POINT AFTER THAT.

AND WAS THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE NOT TALKED TO ER OR CORRECT.

THERE WAS A TELEPHONE NUMBER.

HE REACHED OUT TO THE TELEPHONE NUMBER AND IT WAS DISCONNECTED.

WE HAVE DRAFTED A LETTER WITH SENT IFIED NAIL UPON RECEIPT.

AND THAT SHOULD HAPPEN.

NOT TODAY, TOMORROW.

UM, WOULD WE WHO WHEREVER METHOD GET THAT LANDOVER INFORM INVITE, UH, TO THE MEETING MARCH 20? SO THE COUNCIL CAN DIRECT QUESTION IS TO HER, THEY DON'T SHOW THEN TOO BAD TOO.

THEY DON'T CARE.

BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK 'EM IN THE FACE AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.

WHAT DO YOU, WHAT WHAT'S ABSO WHAT'S THE UH, AND WHAT IT'S, WE KNOW THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS RECEIVED THE CERTIFIED LETTERS THAT HAVE BEEN SENT OUT PREVIOUSLY BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF PARCELS THAT RECEIVED THAT NOTIFICATION.

SO WE'VE GOT, WE GOT CONFIRMATION THAT IT WAS SENT.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BACK FROM THEM IN A RESPONSE, BUT WE KNOW IT WAS SENT CERTIFIED MAIL TO THEM TO ADVISE THEM THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS GOING ON BECAUSE THE REST, WELL NOT ALL OF THE RED DAM COMMUNITY, BUT PORTIONS OF IT DID RECEIVE HER.

DID WAS IT SENT LIKE SIGNATURE REQUIRED.

SO WE KNOW THEY ACTUALLY SIGNED FOR THAT PIECE OF MAIL.

IT WAS SENT CERTIFIED MAIL.

SO THERE'S TYPICALLY A RECEIPT OF THAT.

THE PROBLEM IS POSTAL SERVICE IS IT WHEN COMES TO ACTUALLY AFFORDING THAT.

SO YOU GO NORE IT DOWN.

WE'VE GOT TRACKING INFORMATION.

WE KNOW THAT IT WAS SENT TO THEM.

WE KNOW THE ADDRESS.

STH PROVIDED ALL THAT TO US WITH A LETTERS THAT WERE SENT OUT.

BUT WE DON'T DA AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IN, IN THE LETTER THAT, UH, BRIAN JUST, UH, REFERENCED IS THAT SHE SENT IT OUT SPECIFICALLY RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED.

AND NEXT.

AND WE WILL ALSO NOTIFY DOWN OF THE MARCH 20TH.

AND THAT, IN THAT LETTER, I ALWAYS LIKE TO HANDLE THE STRIP.

IT IS SO BE KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY EXACTLY.

THEY, THEY'RE IGNORING US, BUT AT LEAST THEY, THEY'RE TRYING TO REACH OUT.

SO I UNDERSTAND JUST THAT, HEY, WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO GET AHOLD, JUST SO UNDERSTAND IS IT IS THE CONCERN THE LOCATION OF THE DRIVEWAY, THE CONCERN IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PROPERTY OWNER KNOWS OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND IF THEY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS OR THEY THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF HE, UH, UH, INJURY THAT WE HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT A SOLUTION.

AND THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED OF IS THAT WE JUST DON'T PUT SOMETHING, SOMEBODY SHOWS UP ON THE, OH, LET'S DO AMERICA BACK.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S AFFECTING THEIR CROWD.

SURE, STU.

AND WE, AND PS AND IT JUST MOVES THROUGH.

'CAUSE THIS IS A CONCEPT RIGHT NOW.

WE FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS ALL, WE ALL FEEL AND, BUT WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THIS COUNCIL.

IF THEY DON'T SHOW UP THAT THEY DON'T HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, WE MOVE ON.

NUMBER TWO, I'D LIKE TO, WE TALKED ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS TO RED DAM ROADS.

I ASK THAT WE LIST IN THIS DOCUMENT OR A APPENDIX EXACTLY WHAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GONNA BE.

THAT THERE'S NO QUE I DON'T WANT JUST A GENERAL STATEMENT WE'RE GONNA IMPROVE RED DAM.

I THINK THE, THE CONCERN WAS, UH, PERMITS OR WHATEVER HAD BEEN SOUGHT FROM DOT, BUT IT WAS NOT CONFIRMED WHAT DOT WOULD OR WOULD NOT ALLOW TO OCCUR.

AND SO IT WAS GETTING CLARIFICATION ABOUT WHAT THE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD CONSIST.

SO AT LEAST LET'S HAVE THE WHAT THE ASK OF, OF DOT.

WE, WE MAKE SENSE? UH, YES.

SO, UH, WE CAN CIRCULATE IN EMAILS WE'VE DISTRIBUTED BACK.

JOSH JOHNSON IS CURRENTLY REVIEWED THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, WHICH INCLUDES THE ASSUMPTIONS FOR ROAD A BEING A TWO LANE ROADWAY.

SO WE CAN PROVIDE THAT.

AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS INTERVAL, YOUR REVIEW KIND IS AND WHAT WE COULD GET SOMETHING BACK, BUT THAT WILL BE THE FIRST STEP.

BUT WE, WE'LL, AND ACTUALLY JUST BEFORE THIS MEETING, I DID SEND IT TO YOU JOSH AND , UH, A BRIANNA, JUST SO Y'ALL HAVE THAT FOR RECORD.

I, I THINK GET THAT SO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT YOUR PLANS, WHAT THE PLANS ARE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS.

AND I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, DO T'S GONNA WORK AT THE OLD PACE, BUT YOU KNOW, JOE ASKED FOR THE BOOM AND NOT GET IT.

IT'S THING TOO REALLY.

SURE, SURE.

IT JUST, AND JUST SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE HAD THAT PORTION OF THE PROCESS.

WE DID REACH OUT TO JULIE FLEMING WHO ACTUALLY DEALS MORE WITH THE PERMITTING SIDE OF THINGS.

IT'S, SHE'S ACKNOWLEDGED IT'S TOO EARLY FOR THEM TO REALLY SAY, UH, ONE DEAL WOULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE THAT WE HAVE BEEN ON THE ROADWAY.

WE, WE DEFINITELY MEASURED SECTIONS

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OF IT.

THEY ALL KNOW REALLY WHAT THE DO O T'S GONNA COME BACK WITH, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE PROCESS.

'CAUSE THE, IT IS A ROAD THEY ALL KINDA LIKE BACK OF THAT DISCUSSION OF LIKE QUALITY OF ROAD, WHAT THEY HAVE.

LIKE THEY HAVE A BUDGET ALREADY ESTABLISHED FOR MAINTAINING THAT ROAD.

SO WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T GO.

I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'LL BE, BUT I DON'T WANNA PROMISE GOLD PLANET A ROADWAY THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO ACTUALLY MAINTAIN THAT ROAD.

WELL, BECAUSE THEN RIGHT NOW WE, THE COUNCIL, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANY YET HEBREW LAMAR CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

ESSENTIALLY THE CONCEPT IS TO ADD COUPLE FEET OF ADDITIONAL SHOULDER ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROADWAY AND RESURFACE A PORTION OF IT.

CITY DT.

THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE DISPOSAL WITH, WITH A BLESSING BACK AGAIN AS THEY'RE SAYING WITH THE BUDGET ITSELF, BECAUSE IT, THE WHOLE DISCUSSION WAS JUST THE SAFETY OF TRACK IT AND BE ASSURE PEOPLE THAT USE THE ROPES ROD, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE AT LEAST LET'S HAVE A GOAL GUESS OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS R MAY BE WITH RATHER THAN JUST HAVE ROAD APPROVED JEEP.

UM, THE NEXT THING ON THE SAME TOPIC IS LET'S WRITE IN AN EXACT TINY TABLE FOR ROAD A AND RED.

THERE AGAIN, THAT UNDERSTANDING THAT'S THE GOAL.

UH, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL ROAD CONSTRUCTION AS A WAY OF TAKING LONGER THAN WHAT WE PLANNED.

BUT AT LEAST LET'S HAVE A PLANNED TIMETABLE IN RELATION TO THE TIMETABLE OR BUILD IT.

AND IS THAT REFLECTED IN THE SCHEDULE, I BELIEVE IS THE TIMING OF THAT? I WAS SAY, I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME, MANY DOCUMENTS THAT SPOKE TO THAT.

IF THERE IS A LIGHT PULLED UP, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY IT WAS, WE'RE GONNA BUILD RORY BY WE RIGHT? IS THAT IT'S AN ABSORPTION SCHEDULE THAT IT MIGHT BE S IS SETTING KEEP SCHEDULE TWO.

OH, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED IT.

UH, THEY HAD, SHE HAS SHE SENT ONE IN A, UH, IT'S NOT IN THAT DOCUMENT.

THAT'S FINE FOR THE 20TH THOUGH.

LET'S FOCUS ON JUST PAUL PUTTING THAT UP THERE TO TALK ABOUT YOURS.

THE SET, WE'LL FOLLOW IN SAN SAYS DEVELOPMENT TASTING SCHEDULE.

LET'S, THAT'S HERE, HERE IS THE PD AND THE D NEXT CEMETERIES.

LET'S MAKE SURE ALL CEMETERIES SHOULD BE NOTED WHEN ACCESS WILL BE PROVIDED AND WHAT IMPROVEMENTS SHOULD BE DONE SURROUNDING THE FENCING MONITOR AND REPAIR, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

SO THEY'VE SENT OVER THE CULTURAL RESOURCES SURVEY THAT WAS DONE TO IDENTIFY THE CEMETERY AREA.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL SITE PLANS THAT SHOW HOW IT'S GOING TO BE IDENTIFIED.

IT'LL BE BUFFERED, IT'LL BE FENCED.

AND THEN I THINK THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THREE OR FOUR PARKING SPOTS OR FOUR.

THE FOUR, THE FOUR, FOUR KEY SPOTS.

SO WE, AND WHEN WE LOOK TO OUR DETAIL ON WE AWARE THAT'S IT.

SO THAT'S PROVIDED FOR NOW AT THIS HIGH LEVEL.

AND AS BRIAN WAS INDICATING, AS WE GET INTO APPROVING THE ACTUAL IPS, THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL SEE THAT DELINEATED.

BUT IT'S ALREADY PROVIDED FOR THE DOCUMENT THAT IT'S GONNA BE TREATED THAT WAY.

WELL, WILL THAT RUN WITH THE LAND? YES.

IT'S, IT'S, I MEAN IT'S PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PERMITS FOR THE SUBDIVISION AND YES, YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK IN FOR AN AMENDMENT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT OTHER THAN WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED.

UM, NOW ONE OTHER QUESTION.

WHAT HAPPENS IF WHEN CONSTRUCTION BEGINS, WE DIG UP THE BONES OF MRS. JAMMAS.

OH IS NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE FIND A CEMETERY THAT WE DID THAT IS THERE, WHAT DO WE DIG? UH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YOU CALL THE RESPONSE? YEAH, YOU CALL IN THE STATE DISTORT PRESERVATION OFFICE AND THEN THEY WOULD ULTIMATELY DICTATE WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE.

AND IT CAN BE AS SIMPLE AS JUST REENTERING THE REMAINS OR IT COULD BE A FULL BLOWN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY.

BUT UNTIL WE WOULD BRING THEM IN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD ANSWER IT SPECIFICALLY OTHER THAN THE SAY IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS, THEY CAN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, KICK SOME DIRT BACK OVER IT AND KEEP MOVING ON, IT WOULD TRIGGER SOME OFFICIAL REVIEW BY THE STATE.

'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY TO BUY A HOUSE AND ALL SUDDEN VISA DURING EXPOSED.

IS HEMLEY FAMILIAR WITH THAT? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TURN A SHOVEL OF DIRT AROUND DOWNTOWN WITHOUT TURNING OVER GRAVE OR SOMEBODY THAT DID.

AND THAT'S THERE AND THAT'S WHY THE SITE PLAN REFLECTS A 50 FOOT BUFFER AROUND HIM.

BECAUSE THE LIMITS, I THINK IT'S PRETTY WELL DOCUMENTED WHERE THE CEMETERY, I, I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE PERSONALLY YET.

I THINK IT'S PRETTY HARD TO GET TO .

SO I THINK YOU PROBABLY HAVE BETTER A PROCESS.

IT'LL BE A PLAN AND A SO DISCARDED FROM THE PAPER THE OTHER DAY, A CEMETERY WHERE THERE'S UNDIES OF SLAVE BODIES, ALL UH, YOU KNOW, IN THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD OVER THE TOP OF IT.

SO THEY DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS THERE.

THEY, THEY DID NOT KNOW IT WAS THERE UNTIL THEY STARTED WITH A LOT OF THESE AREAS ALONG THE PLANTATIONS AND FAMILY FARMS. THAT WAS JUST WHAT YOU DID WAS YOU, UH, BURIED 'EM OUT BACK.

SO GREAT.

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ISN'T THAT TRUE? YEAH.

WHICH I, UH, ONE OTHER QUESTION BECAUSE, UH, SO WE SAY ON TIMETABLE, UH, LUNCH IS READY, CINDY.

UM, GOING BACK TO THE FEES, THERE'S FEES IN THERE FOR PARKS , I THINK, AND I HAVEN'T THIS BROUGHT THIS UP IN THE PUBLIC BEFORE, BUT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME DEFINITION OF WHAT A PARK SHOULD BE.

I THINK WITH BUILDING, UH, COMMUNITIES, WE HAVE SIDEWALKS, RIGHT? WE'RE BUILDING COMMUNITIES WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE MOM, DAD, STROLLERS AND, AND LITTLE KIDS ON BICYCLES.

E CAN WE, THROUGH THE USE OF THOSE FEES THAT ARE UP THERE, DEFINE THAT A PLAYGROUND NEEDS TO BE PUT IN.

IT'S AT A, UH, DEFINE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF HOMES AND THAT IT SHOULD HAVE SIX SCREENS A SLIDE.

DEFINE IT.

JUST, WELL, THE, I'VE AT THE STATE THERE ARE SOME GUIDELINES 'CAUSE WE LOOKED THEM UP BEFORE FOR POOL SIZE AND THOSE THINGS.

THERE ARE SOME GUIDELINES OUT THERE.

THE WAY IT'S CONTEMPLATED NOW IS THEY PAY THE MONEY.

WE COULD DETERMINE HOW IT'S SPENT.

WE COULD DETERMINE WHAT THE EQUIPMENT WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD USE IT TO.

SO IF WE WANNA ENTITY, ENTITY BUILDING WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY AND CITY SET WITH ITS YEAH, WE ARE SELECTING THEM THROUGH THE FEATS COURT.

IS THAT, BUT DO THEY HAVE LAND SET ASIDE FOR THAT WITHIN THE DEVELOPINGS? MOST S YES, WE ALL DO.

DOES YES.

ONE, I I WE ARE THE LAW OF THIS.

WE WANT A SPOT FOR PARKS.

SO THAT WE CAN TAKE THAT MONEY AND PUT SWINGS OR WHATEVER YOU DOING GREAT.

SINCE THEY COME FORWARD.

AND AGAIN, IT'S PROBABLY DEALT WITH BETTER AT THE IFP LEVEL.

IF WE WOULDN'T TO ALLOW THEM TO INSTALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE A PLAY GRAB.

LET'S JUST SAY THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

THEN WE COULD DO THAT IN LIEU OF COLLECTING THIS FEE IF YOU JUST WANTED TO BE DONE PART OF THE DEVELOP.

SO THAT'S, I HAVE A MUCH RATHER PUT THE IMPETUS BACK ON .

PUT THIS, WELL THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE SO THAT WE CAN THEN ARTICULATE THAT IT WILL DOCUMENT.

SO RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT'S CONTEMPLATE THIS, THEY'RE GONNA PAY THE FEE.

WE GET THE MONEY.

WE COULD JUST SPEND THE MONEY TO PUT IN PLACE THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE WANNA SEE.

YEAH, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU THAT THAT SHOULD BE DEFINED THAT AN IP OWNED RIGHT.

WHAT SHE IS UP TO UNDERSTAND THE LOCATION SIZE OF THE SPARK.

I, I JUST, I DON'T WALK OUR CITIZEN INTO SOUTHERN AS TAKES OLD AS YOU CAN TELL.

I THINK JUST TELLING WHAT THEIR EXPECTATIONS ARE HELPS TO GUIDE YOU ALL TO KNOW.

WELL WAIT TO THE, A LOT OF TIMES TOO, AS THE BALLOT PERSON BUILDERS, WE SPEND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON MARKETING THEN THE CITIES PROBABLY COULD BE ACCESSED TO OR NOT PRIVY TO.

IT DETERMINES WHAT KIND OF PARK AND THE SIZE AND PARK IF WE'RE GONNA USE THE $50,000 OR $150,000 PLAYGROUND OR IF WE'RE GONNA DO VALUE PARKS THAT HAVE A WATER SUPPLY.

I MEAN IT'S, IT GOES INTO, 'CAUSE THERE'S NO BENEFIT FOR A DEVELOPER OR BUILDER TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT NO ONE'S GONNA COME TO.

SO IF ACROSS THE STREET HAS GOT A PARK THAT HAS A SPLASH PAD, WHICH IS A COMMON MENT POOLS A COMMON TOOL THAT PUT A SPLASH PAD IN.

IF THERE'S NO KIDS GONNA BE THERE A SPLASH PADS, IT'S FOR AGE TARGETED PEOPLE, WHY WOULD YOU PUT A SQUASH? AND I THINK IT'LL LIVE IN MY DEVELOPMENT, THE OUTBREAK IS AND DOING THE LOOK OUT.

BUT YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS ARE DEFINITELY CONSIDERATIONS.

AND DURING THE IM PROCESS OF SEEING PART OF THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE HARVILLE.

IT COMES ACROSS TAYLOR, WE CALL 'EM POCKET PARKS.

SOMETIMES YOU USE BIG AREAS AND A LOT OF TIME A DISCRETION AS THE DEVELOPER WILL COME IN THERE AS A, IT JUST SHOWS GREEN.

AND BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SPENT 28, $30,000 IN PLANTS THAT THE CITY HAD ALREADY BEEN OKAY WITH.

HEY, IT'S OKAY.

WE POCKET PARKS ARE A BIG FEE, SIR, BECAUSE THEY NOT ONLY HAVE A PLACE FOR THE KIDS TO KICK A BALL AROUND IN, BUT IT'S ALSO A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK THEIR DOGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

GRANTED, YOU KNOW YEAH.

CITY HAS FACILITIES SUCH AS THIS AND, BUT YOU'RE NOT, KIDS CAN'T GET THERE IF THEY'RE LIVING UP OFF OF 2 78.

SO WE HAPPY WE, THERE'S A BALANCE SOMEWHERE IN IT.

I APPRECIATE WHAT THE DEVELOPERS YEP.

THAT PLANNED.

I DO HAVE ONE WESTERN MARK.

WE HAD DISCUSSED THE SIDEWALK TO THE SCHOOL.

WHERE DID THAT, YEAH.

UM, WE START THERE.

SO YOU GOT IT RIGHT HERE.

IT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE KIND OF AN IMPORT D FACTOR IN HERE THERE.

YELLOW LINE.

AND THEN THE QUESTION WAS GONNA BE AS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT LOOKED AT THAT, HAD THEY RESPONDED TO IT, WHAT ARE THEIR THOUGHTS? SO WE, WE, WE'VE REACHED OUT VERBALLY, UH, LEFT A MESSAGE I THINK A WEEK AND A HALF AGO AND DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING.

SO WE SENT AN EMAIL THIS PAST THURSDAY TO SAM WACK, UH, EXCUSE SAM.

WACK IS SAM W YEAH.

AND TED BOY AND I THINK HIS SISTER R RIGHT.

WAS COPIED.

ALL THIS ALL SAID, WE HAVE NOT YET SEEN YOUR RESPONSE.

SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THROUGH THEM TOO BECAUSE

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YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE KIDS ON THE ROPE.

E EVEN WALKING SIDEWALK US ALONG THE SIDE OF THE HERE IS STILL GOING BE AN ISSUE.

BUT THEY CAN HAVE A DIRECT ACCESS TO THE SCHOOL, BUT I REALLY DON'T SEE THEM HAVING AN ISSUE WITH, BUT THEY WEREN'T, THEY SLOW.

WE, WE WOULD DEFINITELY CONTINUE THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA EVER COMMIT AND UNDERSTAND THE PRIVACY THEY HAVE OR SECURITY CONCERNS THEY HAVE ON THAT.

THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE WANT TO SHOOT THROUGH.

THEY MIGHT NOT WANT A INTRUSION IN THAT AREA.

SO, WE'LL THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE OPEN BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS AND WANTING TRY TO ACCESS BECAUSE IT'S THE ALIGNMENT OR UNDERSTAND UNDERSTANDING.

I DON'T CARE WHERE THEY COULD IT, AS LONG AS THERE'S ONE THAT THEY CAN GO.

WE, WE DIDN'T WANNA INUNDATE YOU GUYS WITH EMAILS BACK AND FORTH, BUT AS SOON AS WE CAN GET SOME KIND OF, UH, REACTION TO THAT, WE'LL CERTAINLY SEND THAT.

AND S PUT A BUG IN THEIR EAR AS WELL.

, THEY CAME IN AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING A FENCING PLAN AND THEN A NEW SECURITY GUARD SHACK AND EVERYTHING.

SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT FITS IN WITH THEIR .

SO IF WE GET AN UPDATE FIRST, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.

WE'LL MORE THAT.

OH, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTIONS.

UM, UH, PAGE 11, UH, ITEM TWO, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE LAKESIDE BOULEVARD IN THE SECTION, THE LEFT TURN LANE AND THE LIGHT.

I'M CONFUSED.

I THOUGHT THAT THE CITY, THAT THERE WAS SOME, THAT WE WERE DOING THE LEFT TURN LANES FROM THE UP FROM, UH, IN A TO AND WHAT? YEAH, THE, SO WHO'S GOING TO BE INSTALLING THAT LIGHT AND WHAT LIGHT ARE THEY AND WHAT LIGHT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT? BECAUSE NOW I'M CONFUSED.

SO I BELIEVE AS PART OF THE INTERSECTION AND IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, WE'RE GONNA BE ADDING DOUBLE TURN LANES FROM 2 78 INTO BOTH MARGARITAVILLE AND THE GOLDEN DEAD LAKES.

AND THAT BOTH OF THEM ARE GONNA HAVE A DEDICATED LEFT HAND TURN SIGNAL.

SO IT'LL GO GREEN, YELLOW, RARE RATHER THAN JUST FLASHING YELLOW.

YOU SEE NOW.

AND SO IT'LL BE CONTROLLED MOVEMENTS IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.

UH, BUT IT SAYS HERE, LK DEVELOPMENT AT ITS SO COST AND EXPENSE SHALL ESTABLISH A NEW TURN LANE ALONGSIDE LAKESIDE BOULEVARD AND INSTALL A CORRESPONDING TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE EXISTING INTERSECTION OF LAKESIDE BOULEVARD AND US HIGHWAY 2 78 PER THE TIA.

SO WHERE IS THAT GOING? SO MS. GOOD LIKE LEE COMING OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT FACING INTO 2 78 I THERE, THERE'S ALREADY A LANE THAT'S SITTING THERE, I THINK A STRIPE DOWN.

SO THE IDEA IS TO GRIND THAT STRIPING OFF AND THAT WILL BE NECESSARY.

GRIND THAT STRIPING OFF, RETRIP THAT THROUGH A DUAL LAPS OUT.

AND THEN EITHER ADD ANOTHER SIGNAL HEAD OR CHANGE THE SIGNAL HEAD THAT'S UP THERE.

I DUNNO, THESE WILL ALLOW DR.

TACK TO LEFT.

UH, I DON'T, I CAN SEE.

YEAH, IT'S IN TAKE CARE.

I MEAN IT'S, SO NOW I WANT PEOPLE TO TURN RIGHT AND COME INTO HARDY TO NOT GO DOWN .

WELL, I'M SERIOUS.

WE CAN MAKE THE THE NO KIDDING.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT IT'S BASED ON THE TRAFFIC.

I'M SURE I DON'T UNDER, I UNDER I UNDERSTAND THAT.

IT'S JUST THAT IT, IT'S JUST THAT I WORRIED ABOUT THE TIMING OF THAT BECAUSE AS PS WE, YOU KNOW, Y ALL ARE AWARE THAT YOU KNOWS IS THE NEXT, UH, USED TO DO THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT NEVER TURNED GREEN.

SO WE ARE ALL LIKE HOW BOYS DOWN, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET PAST THAT.

LIKE, AND, AND WHAT COMPLICATES THINGS NOW IS THERE AT ARE SCHOOL BUSES NOW TURNING INTO LAKESIDE BOULEVARD, GOING TO THE PRESERVE, MY PARK ANTOINETTE WALK.

AND THAT'S MY WORRIES ME EVEN MORE BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL BUSES AND THE SCHOOL BUSES, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HIT THE GAS, IT TAKES A WHILE FOR THEM BY GOING AND IF THEY MISJUDGE THAT CLOSING DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN THE PIPE ON A BLINKING YELLOW TO THE LEFT.

I I AM, I'M AFRAID WHAT COULD HAPPEN TO THOSE KIDS IN THE FABRIC CREEK? THEY GET BROADSIDED, WHICH IS ONE THAT HAVE THE, THE SIGNALS HAVE PROTECTED LEFT.

SORRY.

NOT JUST THE MONKEY SEQUEL.

SO STOOL ALLOWED SIX BUT WAY YEAH.

BUT ONE THEN IS GO IN, THEY HAVE TO PUT IT SO, BUT THAT MEANS IT'S GOTTA BE TIME SENSITIVE TO THOSE STOOL LEFT TURN LANE AND, AND REALLY YOU COMING OUT OF LAKESIDE BOULEVARD, YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE LEFT-HAND TURN LANE.

WHAT'S ESSENTIALLY GONNA HAPPEN IS YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE DOUBLE THE CAPACITY BECAUSE WHERE YOU SEE THOSE WHITE CHEVRONS RIGHT NOW, HEY THOSE WOULD COME OUT AND THAT WOULD BE A TURN LANE AS WELL.

SO YOU'D HAVE TWO INSTEAD OF ONE.

BUT THE FUNCTIONALITY WOULD BE THE SAME.

I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE LIFE.

AH, WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO INSTALL IT? THAT'S MY, OKAY, THANK YOU.

YEAH, SO BASICALLY THE RESPONSIBILITY WOULD BE TO PICK FROM WHAT THE SIGNAL LIGHT, BECAUSE THE LANES SPIRIT THEY'RE TRYING DO IS JUST CONFIRM WITH, OH, WHICH GO THE SCREEN TRUE TRAFFICKING IS COMING IMPROVEMENT AND THAT WE ARE RESPONDING.

THAT'S ALL THAT WERE THOSE THE SIX THINGS THAT YEAH, YEAH.

WELL IT WAS SEVEN AND AND STEVE ADDED EIGHT WOULD, UH, THE SIDEWALK TO THE SCHOOL.

TO TALK ABOUT THIS BIG THING IN MY MIND IS THE, UH, SOMETHING BACK FROM THE DOT COPY, GET SOME, AT LEAST SOME IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, AND THEY US A COMPUTER SUBMISSION SHOWING WHAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR AND THEN ANYTHING FROM DOT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED THEM TO COME BACK WITH SO THAT WHEN THEY COME BACK ON THE 20TH WE'VE GOT ALL THE IN DEBRIS AND THEN WE'RE READY

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AND LET ME ASK YOU ALL THIS.

IS EVERYTHING UNDER THEIR ASKED FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU BELIEVE THEY WOULD'VE FOR SURE.

WELL HE'S ALREADY NOW JOSH, AND AGAIN WE CAN, WE CAN RESEND THE EMAIL.

BUT JOSH, THIS WAS THE SECOND ROUND OF COMMENTS SO THAT WE'VE, WE'VE NARROWED IT DOWN THE OVERALL CONCEPT HE GENERALLY AGREE TO.

NOW IT'S CLEAR, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT SPECIFICS OF THE SHOULDERS.

THAT'S NOT WHAT HE GETS INTO.

BUT AS LONG AS HE UNDERSTANDS AND READS IT'S SUE LANEY, THEN THAT'S FINE.

WE'RE NOT FRAMED IT, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING BACK FROM JULIE FLAMING AT THIS POINT THOUGH.

LET'S JUST KNOCK HER PRO AS THAT PRIORITY LIST.

UNDERSTANDABLE.

BUT I THINK WE CAN WRITE IN A LITTLE BIT OF A GENERIC DESCRIPTION ON WHAT THE CONCEPT IS FOR, FOR THE IMPROVEMENT.

SHE AND THE CONVERSATIONS I CALL HER GET MISRATE, SHE VERBALLY ALL STARTS TO OKAY.

OR, BUT THEN AGAIN SHOOT DETERRED.

I DON'T THINK YOU'RE ALL YET.

WE CAN'T RUN AWAY.

IT DIDN'T JUST ADJUST FOR TO THE TIA A SO WE'RE IN THIS SEC SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET YOU WHATEVER WE CAN, BUT WHAT DO ASK HIM FOR VERBALLY? IT'S OKAY, THERE'S DETAILS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO CODE, THEN WE GO TO THE PERMITING, WE DO EVERYTHING.

I MEAN THE GEO GEOTECHS GONNA HAVE TO GO OUT THERE.

HE IS GONNA LOOK.

SO, I MEAN THERE'S A LOT MORE INVOLVED, BUT OVERALL CONCEPT THEY ARE, THEY SEEM OKUR.

OKAY, NOW THIS IS COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF EVERYTHING AN COUTURE.

BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE GONNA START CONSTRUCTING THE ROUNDABOUTS MM-HMM.

TIMING IS GONNA BE CRITICAL.

DO IT.

YOU, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THE IDEAL ECONOMY TO TRY TO DO GET ALL THAT DONE IS WHEN THE SCHOOL IS OUT.

BUT THAT'S NOT POSSIBLY GOING TO BE POSS YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A DEFINITE POSSIBILITY.

PLEASE PUT SOMETHING IN THERE FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL OR SAFETY WHILE THAT'S GOING ON.

BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THE BUSES GOING IN THERE.

YOU HAVE PARENTS GOING IN THERE.

YOU'RE TO HAVE HENRY US.

'CAUSE PRO BRAD YOU CONNECT TO RED Z YOU'RE GONNA ACT IN AN ENCROACHMENT PROJECT AND ALL THAT'S GONNA BE OUTLINED IN THE ENCROACHMENT PERMIT.

OTHERWISE DO T'S NOT GONNA ALLOW.

YOU'RE GONNA BE SUPER SET FROM BACK IN SCHOOLS, JESS.

OKAY, SO JESS, WE HAVE LUNCH.

ON PLANET RYAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE NEED TO DIG YOUR CARTS.

AND WE PICK UP ING AT 1 0 5, 1 0 5 PART

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TWO OF OUR OUR DAY.

I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU ONE THING HE EVER IS, CHEF BRIAN MAKES THE BEST SKILLET CORNBREAD

[Break]

UH, MAKE SURE IF ANYBODY BE UH, IS OUS THE BEST BRISKET I'VE EVER EATEN.

GET THE PAN STAND.

OH AND THE CORN BREAD.

A CORN BREAD.

HE'S COOKED MORE MEALS FOR ME THAN MY WIFE .

AND SHE'S NOT UNHAPPY AT THAT THOUGH.

THAT IS.

ALREADY HAD ONE SESSION THIS MORNING.

THANK YOU BRIAN.

THANK YOU SOBI FOR ARRANGING IT.

UM, THIS IS A WORKSHOP.

WE'VE ALREADY OPENED IT UP.

WE'VE

[1:00pm – 2:30pm]

JUST GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF RULES.

A WORKSHOP.

IT'S NOT A BUILDING EACH SESSION.

SO THE ROBERT TOOLS OF WATER ARE RELAX.

ANYBODY CAN JUMP IN.

ANYBODY FROM COUNCIL, WE CAN, CAN JUMP IN.

WE ALL IS PLEASE YOU.

I TALK OVER EACH OTHER TO MAKE SURE THE PERSON WHO'S SPEAKING HAS COMPLETING ALL THEIR THOUGHTS FOR YOU AND ME IN THE PUBLIC.

I'LL KEEP IT RELAXED AS WELL.

I HAVE A QUESTION AS WE'RE DISCUSSING IT, JUST RAISE YOUR HAND AND I'LL RECOGNIZE YOU AS SOON AS THE CONVERSATION IS GONNA STOP HERE.

BUT RATHER THAN JUST WAIT IT, THEN YOU HAVE A QUESTION AND WE HAVE A LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING, THEN JUST RAISE YOUR HAND.

I'LL, I'LL IZE YOU AS SOON AS MR. SMITH.

WE BETTER GOT THE RULES RIGHT AND IF YOU BREAK 'EM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT YOU'LL ADDRESS.

AND THAT'S WHAT I TOLD YOU.

GONNA BREAK THE RULES, DON'T GET CAUGHT.

IT'S RIGHT.

GONNA CALL UP ROB BRANDON.

ALRIGHT.

WELL THANK YOU MAYOR FOR TEEING THAT UP.

UH, SO WHAT WE'RE HERE TO ACCOMPLISH TODAY, IN MY OPINION IS REALLY KIND OF TWO THING.

UM, THIS MATTER WAS COMING BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL AT THEIR LAST MEETING AND UNDERSTANDING THERE WAS A NUMBER OF CHANGES THAT HAD TAKEN PLACE TO THE UNDERLYING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE ASSOCIATED CONTRACTUAL DOCUMENTS.

ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT THOSE CHANGES LOOKED LIKE, EXPLAIN THEM, AND THEN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

SO, IN A MINUTE I'M

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HE'S GONNA, UH, I THINK HELP WALK US THROUGH, UH, THE PROPOSED REVISIONS TO THE UNDERLYING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DOCUMENTS.

AND THEN OUTSIDE OF THE CONTRACTS OR THE DOCUMENTS THEMSELVES, THERE WAS ALSO A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT HAD COME UP ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT BUFFERS, SETBACKS, OPEN SPACE, ROADS, UH, JUST A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT HAD COME UP OVER THE INITIAL CONVERSATIONS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE WANTED AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO GIVE THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM SOME TIME TO GO THROUGH AND RESPOND TO THOSE QUESTIONS THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY COME UP.

AND THEN AGAIN, LEAVE SOME TIME AT THE END TO ANSWER ANY KIND OF Q AND A THAT MIGHT BE COMING OUT OF THIS SESSION.

ULTIMATELY THE GOAL IS WORKING TOWARDS THE MARCH 20TH MEETING OF CITY COUNCIL.

THIS ITEM'S GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA FOR FIRST READING.

IT'LL BE THE FIRST OF TWO REQUIRED READINGS TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE TO SET THESE DOCUMENTS IN PLACE.

AND SO, AGAIN, OUR GOAL TODAY IS TO TRY AND GET AS MUCH INFORMATION OUT THERE AS WE CAN TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS AND TO BE READY THEN TO TAKE UP THIS ITEM ON THE 20TH FOR POTENTIAL ACTION.

SO HAVING TEED UP LIKE THAT.

WHAT DO YOU GUYS CUT UP? CAN YOU GUYS TELL US WHO YOU ARE AND WHO YOU REPRESENT? ABSOLUTELY.

WE'LL ASK YOU, HAVE YOU READY TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES? I'LL START OFF.

I'M JOSH GRUER.

I'M THE CITY MANAGER OF HARDEE BELT.

AND SO I'M, I'M KIND OF THE MASTER OF CEREMONIES AND THE RINGLEADER OF THE CIRCUS, IF YOU WILL, UH, AS WE TRY TO PROGRESS THIS FORWARD.

JACK, CAN YOU MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THIS AT BOTH THE FIRST AND SECOND READ? YES SIR.

SO, UH, IN ADDITION TO, UH, TODAY'S SESSION AT THE FIRST READING ON THE 20TH, AND THEN AGAIN IF IT COMES OUT OF, UH, THAT MEETING AT THE NEXT SUBSEQUENT MEETING, THERE'LL BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK AT BOTH TIMES.

IT COMES BEFORE CITY CALLER.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT ROB, I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

THANKS.

[C. A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AMENDMENT SUBMITTAL FOR PARCELS 041-00-04-004, 041-00-04-060, 041-00-04-003 & 041-070-6-002 TO BE KNOWN AS MORGAN TRACT]

IS THIS TAKE YEP.

HELLO EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS ROB BRANDON, I'M AN ATTORNEY.

I REPRESENT HIC MORGAN, WHICH IS THE OWNER OF THE DEVELOPMENT TRACK.

I HAVE SOME FOLKS WITH ME TODAY.

I HAVE ENGINEERS LAMAR, ER AND ANDREW LANKER FROM THOMAS AND HUDSON.

JENNIFER BEAL IS OUR, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

SHE'S HERE ALSO SEAN WEERS WITH, UH, DR.

BORTON WHO IS THE BUILDER THAT'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR BUILDING A LOT OF THE HOUSES IN THE, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE ALL OF THEM.

UH, BEFORE I START, OUR WORD TO, TO THANK JOSH, MATT, BRENDA, KATIE AND TRINA.

'CAUSE THEY'VE SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS WITH US ALREADY WORKING ON SOLUTIONS TO ALL OF THE PROBLEMS SURROUNDING THIS DEVELOPMENT.

YOU WE'RE REALLY AT THE FINAL STAGES OF THIS, UH, WOULD BE SO MANY AGREEMENTS OVER THE PAST YEAR TO GET THIS DEVELOPED WHERE IT IS.

UM, WE HAD A WORKSHOP THE OTHER DAY WITH MAYOR AND THE ALDERMAN OR SEED COUNCIL AND THEY HAD A FEW SUGGESTIONS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FINALIZE ANSWERS TO THOSE SUGGESTIONS, BUT SOME OF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN WITH US BEFORE AND AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT.

SO BEFORE I GO TO THOSE SUGGESTIONS, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT WE'VE ALREADY AGREED TO.

AND I THINK WE HAVE THE, UM, CAN I GET A MASTER PLAN AND THERE AM ON YOUR AWARE? NO, I WAS JUST SURE AS TO IF THERE WERE HAND APPS FOR VIEWING THIS HACK AND WAN OR I DON'T HAVE ANY HERE HAND UP.

WE DON'T CERTAINLY RATE THESE AVAILABLE, THEY'RE PUBLIC RECORDS.

BUT OUR, YEAH, OUR BOLD TODAY IS TO BASICALLY HAVE A CONVERSATION AND TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS COLLECTED.

AND SO WE'LL MAKE SURE TO PUT EVERYTHING UP THERE, BUT IN TERMS OF ASKING FOR COPIES, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO GET YOU A COPY.

THERE'S ALSO REP AGAIN.

SO WE, WE KICK THIS MOVING FORWARD.

EVERYTHING THAT WE GET, WE BE THE CITY COUNCIL IS IN THE PACKET FOR THE MEETING OF MARCH 20.

EVERYTHING IS ON THE WEBSITE.

SO YOU CAN ACCESS, 'CAUSE WE'LL BE GETTING 300 PAGES WORTH DOC E AND SAY WE'RE NOT, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE EVERYBODY COSTS, BUT THEY'RE ALL AVAILABLE ON YOUR WEBSITE.

BUT IF YOU WANT A SPECIFIC PAGE, WE CAN BUILD WORK.

SO PLEASE CONTINUE.

UM, WE, UH, DEAR HORTON RECENTLY CONTRIBUTED OR SIGNED UP MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, AGREEING TO, TO PAY FOR REPAIRS OR INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT INTERSECTION OF, UH, 1 41 2 78 JOHN SMITH ROAD.

GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING FIRST, UH, WE'RE GONNA BUILD A 74 PICK, $5 MILLION, FOUR LANES REGIONAL PARKWAY.

IT'S GONNA CONNECT 2 78 AND 46.

CAN YOU SHOW THOSE TWO? SO THIS IS OUR PARKWAY.

IT'S GONNA COME ALL THE WAY DOWN.

THIS WILL BE FOUR LANE.

IT'LL HAVE A 10 FOOT WALKING PATH ALONG THE RIGHT SIDE.

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THERE.

UH, THEY'VE ALREADY PAID $900,000 FOR ENGINEERING FEES TO PLAN FOR THIS SO THEY CAN GET OUTTA THE CH AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

AND THEY'RE PERMITTED TO PAY ANOTHER $8 MILLION TO FIX THIS.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE, UH, INTERSECTION PROVE THERE.

JOHN SMITH ROAD AND 2 78.

UM, WE AS A DEVELOPER HAVE COMMITTED NOT TO PUT ANY MORE TRAFFIC ON JOHN SMITH ROAD UNTIL THOSE, UH, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS ARE COMPLETED.

SO, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT'LL EASE SOME CRAP ON JOHN SMITH ROAD AND 2 78 THERE.

WE'RE ALSO CONSTRUCTING A NINE ONE $7 MILLION FUNDAGE ROAD AND CONNECTOR ROADS.

AND THESE ARE GONNA PROVIDE HORIZONTAL, UH, TRAFFIC FLOW ACROSS THE PROPERTY SO THAT PEOPLES IN THE DEVELOPMENT CAN MOVE ACROSS THE PROPERTY INTO, UH, BOTH SHOPPING.

WE'LL HAVE COMMERCIAL AREAS UP THERE IN THE RED, UH, AND PARK AREAS.

UM, COME BACK UP AND SHOW US A PARK AREA BACK THERE.

AND POD K AND POD Y DOWN HERE, UH, WOULD BE PUBLIC PARK AREAS.

UM, FINALLY WE WE'RE GONNA BUILD SOME HORIZONTAL ROADS.

WE CALL 'EM THE SOUTH CONNECTOR ROAD.

I THINK YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE, ANDREW.

THAT'LL COME FROM THE CAR TRACK.

IT REALLY WILL BE ONE DIRECTIONAL BECAUSE THE CAR TRACK'S A DATED COMMUNITY OR PARK MARGARITA BUILD.

WE CAN'T GO IN THERE, BUT CARS FROM MARGARITAS BUILD.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO COME INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT, USE OUR SPINE ROADS, USE OUR HORIZONTAL ROADS, UH, TO GET TO PARKS AND, UH, SHOPPING FACILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND WE HAVE ANOTHER ROAD LIKE THAT UP ON THE NORTH PART OF THE PROPERTY.

SO WE GO SEE YOU HOLD THE NORTH CONNECT ROAD UP THERE.

UM, THERE YOU, UH, S THE, THE, THAT CAN TO THE EP TRACK RIGHT NOW.

UM, THERE'S SOME WEB MUNITIONS WITH THAT ROAD, BUT IT DOES CREATE THE POSSIBILITIES THAT WE CAN HAVE HORIZONTAL FLOW THROUGH THESE PROPERTIES WITHOUT HAVING TO GO OUT TO T SEVEN OR 46.

I TALKED A SECOND AGO ABOUT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT, UM, I'M GETTING SOME QUESTIONS.

CAN YOU LET ME RUN THROUGH IT, MAN? AND WE WILL BE GLAD TO TAKE OUR PUSH, UM, MAKE SURE IT'S COPYING AS AS CHAIR OF THE MEETING.

I'LL RECOGNIZE.

JUST LET ME KNOW IF SOMEBODY'S GOT THEIR AND UP BECAUSE I GOT MY BACK.

OKAY, I'M SORRY.

SO PLEASE CONTINUE.

LET, LET'S FINISH THE PORTION.

WE'RE .

AND SO WE ALSO, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT WE ARE ADDING, UH, 65.7 UPLAND ACRES, UH, FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

ANOTHER 200 AND SE 372 ACRES IS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH ALSO WE INCLUDES SOME COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE PROPERTY.

UM, AND THEN ALSO WE SHOWED THE PARKS A SECOND AGO.

UH, THAT'S 160.8 ACRES OF PARKLAND THAT WE COULD BE DONATING TO THE CITY OF VILLE, 86.7 UPLAND ACRES OF THAT, UM, DEVELOPMENT FEES THAT WILL PAY WHEN LOTS ARE, ARE SOLD WOULD BE USED TO IMPROVE THOSE AREAS FOR PUBLIC PARKS.

THAT THEY'LL BE AVAILABLE TO ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES AROUND HERE, INCLUDING THE WORLD VILLE COMMUNITY.

UM, WE'RE ALSO DONATING A 2.7 ACRE SITE FOR A PUBLIC SAFETY SITE RIGHT THERE IN PARCEL G AND WE'RE CONTRIBUTING FOUR AND A HALF BILLION DOLLARS TO GO TO NEW FIRED POLICE STATION THERE.

UH, ON THE PROPERTY WE SERVE, UH, THIS AREA.

SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE THROUGH THE COURSE OF THIS NEGOTIATION IS WE'VE INCREASED OUR EXTERNAL BUFFERS FROM 10 FEET TO 50 FEET AROUND THE PROPERTY.

OUR OPEN SPACE FROM 25% TO 40%.

UH, WE RECENTLY AGREED TO REDUCE THE DENSITY BY 500 UNITS.

UM, AND WE ALSO AGREED TO A DONATION TO THE 40 AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM OF 3% TIMES THE NUMBER OF APPROVED RDU WITH OVER THE COURSE OF THE DEVELOPMENTS OF ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS DEVELOP, UM, CONTRIBUTION TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO THOSE, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE AGREED TO AND ACCOMPLISHED BEFORE WE, UM, GOT FOR COUNCIL THE OTHER DAY.

UM, AND SO MAYBE AFTER IT'S A GOOD TIME TO STOP HERE AM MAYOR BEFORE I GO INTO THE ISSUES YOU HAVE AND WHEN THEY STOP THERE, UH, AND WAY THIS WILL WORK.

I'LL OPEN UP TO COUNCIL FOR THE QUESTIONS AND THEN I'LL LOOK ALONG AND SIP IN A BUDDY'S .

YOU'RE UP, UH, AS I'M LOOKING AT WHAT YOU'RE DEVELOPING HERE, CAN YOU LET US ALL KNOW AS YOU START, WHERE, WHERE'S THIS DEVELOPMENT GONNA START? FOD A DO, ARE THOSE THE FIRST THAT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO START TO BUILD? SURE.

UH, AND THEN WE WILL, ONCE WE ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES, WE'LL WE'LL GO THROUGH WHATEVER OTHER ISSUES THE COUNSEL ACTS.

SO COUNSEL,

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ONE, ONE OF WHEN THE SLIDES THAT DREW HAS TAKES US THROUGH THE ORDER OF DEVELOPMENT AND HOW WE USE THE DIFFERENT ROADS.

AND WE ARE GONNA SHOW THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT US USING STRYKER ROAD, WHICH IS THE, THE ROAD DOWN THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, WHICH INITIALLY IS THE ONLY WAY WE HAVE TO GET INTO THE PROPERTY, BUT WE'LL ONLY USE THAT ROAD FOR A LIMITED TIME BEFORE OUR PRIMARY CONSTRUCTION ACCESS.

WE'LL MOVE OVER TO THE INITIAL ACCESS ROAD AND THEN TO THE SPINE ROADS, WHICH IS FURTHER AWAY FROM THE MARVIN LOUISVILLE COMMUNITY.

UM, DREW, WHY DON'T YOU GO THROUGH AND SHOW 'EM THAT DIRECTION, HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK.

SO WE CAN SEE, UH, WE HAVE SOME SLIDES THAT THERESA YEAH.

AND JUST, SO OUR, OUR INITIAL BASE IN DEVELOPMENT IS POD A, B AT C HERE.

UH, CAN EVERYBODY GIVE ME OKAY IF I DON'T USE SOMEBODY YOUR PHONE OR, OKAY.

SO JUST SO THAT, THAT MICRO B WAS THAT BECAUSE THAT PEOPLE HOLD MIRROR TO YEAH.

SO, UM, OUR DIGITAL PHASE IN DEVELOPMENT IS POD A, POD B, AND POD C.

SO THAT WOULD BE OUR FIRST DAYS.

UM, AND I'LL KIND OF PULL OPEN JUST SHOWING KIND OF THE GENERAL PROGRESSION.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS OUR, WE'LL CALL IT OUR INITIAL ACCESS.

SO RIGHT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU TRACK SITE KIND OF DOWN HERE, WHAT YOU JUST LOOKED AT THIS, THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS POD A.

POD D IS IS UM, OR EXCUSE ME, POD B IS ACTUALLY, IT'S OFF THE PAGE HERE, FARTHER SOUTH.

AND THEN POD C IS THIS AREA OVER HERE.

UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A PHASE ONE ENTRANCE ROAD THAT WE DO NEED TO BILL RIGHT NOW.

THAT IS A DIRT ROAD RIGHT THERE.

AND YOU CAN SEE IT GOES THROUGH THIS, THIS LITTLE WELDING CUT.

UM, SO IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THIS ROAD, WE ARE PROPOSING AN INITIAL ACCESS OFF OF STRYKER ROAD, UM, AND 2 78.

UM, THIS KIND OF SHOWS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BLUE LINE IS KIND OF THAT CONSTRUCTION ROUTE THAT, THAT WE'RE PLANNING HAVING VEHICLES STAKE.

UM, THIS IS THE SUTTON TRACK TO THE EAST HERE.

UH, THIS IS ALL UNDEVELOPED WETLAND RIGHT NOW.

UH, AND THEN THIS KIND OF IN THIS PART OF MULT TREND IS ALSO WETLAND.

UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WE'VE GOT TRUCK ENTERING HIGHWAY SIGNS AND WE'LL HAVE TO KINDA WORK THROUGH THOSE TRAFFIC CONTROL PLANS WITH DOT, UH, AS WE HERMIT LOGIC AND CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.

UM, AS THEY KIND OF CONTINUE DEVELOPMENT.

UH, WE'VE ALSO GOT FEW, YOUR SLIDES THAT YOU HAVE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ME.

SO THEY SIT THERE.

SO THIS KIND OF SHOWS AS WE START KIND OF DEVELOPING THROUGH HERE IN FI A AND THEN THIS MEANS POTSY OUT HERE.

WE'RE PROPOSING TO SWITCH THAT ACCESS OVER THAT INITIAL CONNECTOR ROAD THAT WILL BE BUILT.

AND THEN THIS WOULD BE REALLY OUR ULTIMATE PLAN FOR AT LEAST THE, THE BLOCK A UM, THE INITIAL MASTER CLIENT, WHICH IS WHAT'S FOR YOU TODAY.

AND THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED OUR SPINE ROAD ON.

UM, AND THAT WAS THE ROAD THAT ROB HIGHLIGHTED EARLIER THAT WOULD GO NORTH SOUTH, ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE MORTGAGE TRACK FROM US 2 78, ALL THE WAY DOWN 46.

CAN YOU GO BACK THROUGH SLIDES TO, UH, WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING, UH, THERE, GO BACK UP ONE THERE.

UM, THEN YOU'RE INITIALLY GONNA USE THE MORGA OR THE STRYKER ROAD TILL YOU GET DOWN WHERE THE LITTLE UH, STAR IS OR YOU YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH, SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD INITIALLY USE, UM, AN ACCESS OFF THE STRYKER ROAD HERE.

WELL MY POINTERS AND THEN ONCE THIS IS THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO SWITCH TRAFFIC OVER.

CAN SEE RIGHT WHERE THAT, THAT'S WHERE IT GOES.

UH, BUT FOR DON, YOU'LL YOU'LL USE STRIKE THE ROAD DOWN TO DO THIS, CORRECT? YEAH.

AND THERE IS, THERE IS ANOTHER ACCESS UH, LET ME PULL OPEN, LEMME JUST PULL UP.

I'M JUST ASKING YOU THAT BECAUSE IF ALL OF THAT, I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT ALL OF THAT PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT THERE IS MOST ALL WITHIN THE SUTTON BORDERING THE SUTTON.

IT DOES NOT BORDER MINTOS PROP.

THAT'S CORRECT.

RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO YOUR USE OF STRYKER ROAD WILL BE MINIMAL, CORRECT? CORRECT.

UM, AS YEAH, IN THE, IN OUR INITIAL FIRST THREE PHASES THERE, I MEAN THE IDEA IS TO GET OFF STRYKER AS QUICKLY AS OKAY.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS HAPPY.

YOU CAN SEE THAT ROAD NOW WHERE THAT HEY THOSE, YEAH, IF YOU GO DOWN STRYKER ROAD NOW AND LOOK OFF TO THE RIGHT, YOU

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SAY THAT IS OKAY.

THAT'LL BE AN INITIAL DRIVE DOWN THROUGH THERE.

ACTUALLY RYAN, THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT OF BAR REBUILD AT ALL ADJACENT TO THAT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MS. GOER.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, YES.

I ARE TRYING TO FIND THE, IN YOU ALL THIS MYRIAD OF PAPERWORK HERE I CAN, SO I'M TO SET A BULL OF WHAT'S IN MY PENNY, MY CITY.

SO, UM, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT STORM WATER ISSUES.

AND SOUTH POINT JUST WENT OVER AND ABOUT TAKING CARE OF THE STORM WATER ISSUES.

AND UH, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO FIND OUT, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA BE HAVING SEVERAL PONDS ON YOUR PROPER, UH, IF THOSE PONDS CAN GO FROM 25 TO 50 FEET DEEP, SO IT'LL HOLD QUITE A BIT OF THAT STORM WATER AND THEN INCREASE YOUR CULVERT TO HANDLE MORE THAN WHAT IS IN, UH, NZDO.

I KNOW WHAT'S IN THE NZDO IS DIFFERENT, BUT SOUTH POINT WENT OVER AND ABOVE AND INCREASED IT TO A 50 YEAR PEAK FLOW TO A HARD 500 YEAR PEAK FLOW.

SO IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TO, 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S, YOU HAVE MILLSTONE LANDING, THOSE FOLKS WERE THERE LAST IN THE LAST MEETING AND THEY TALKED ABOUT FLOODING.

UH, AND, AND I MUST BE PHILOSOPHY WHERE YOU PREVENT RATHER THAN SHAKES.

SO AS WE ARE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS WHERE THERE IS NOTHING RIGHT NOW, IT'S A BLANK CANVAS.

IF WE CAN DO THINGS TO MITIGATE AND PREVENT, THEN DOWN THE LINE, WE DON'T HAVE TO FIX AS MUCH OR WE DON'T HAVE TO FIX ANYTHING.

SO, UH, SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU GUYS WILL BE ABLE TO DO THINGS THAT SOME APPOINTMENT OVER AND ABOVE AND DID TO PREVENT FOR FLOODING AND DO THE SAME OR DUAL GOAL ONE THAT OTHER SURE.

AND WE'RE ALREADY, I THINK AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WORKSHOP, WE'RE ALREADY TAKING STEPS TO UPSIZE ALL OF OUR COAL BITES AND EFFECT OKAY.

SO THAT WE CAN HANDLE MORE STORM WATER THAN WE WOULD NORMALLY HAVE TO.

SO WE'RE UPSIZING THOSE, THOSE THINGS.

I'M, HE'S THE ENGINEER, I LET HIM GO.

BUT YEAH, WE EITHER STANDING WATER AROUND, MAYBE IF YOU WOULD EXPLAIN TO US AND THE FOLKS HERE WHAT THE REGULATIONS ARE THAT NO STORM WATER COULD, MORE STORM WATER COULD BE LEAVING THE PROPERTY HOST DEVELOPMENT AS CREE DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT YEAH, MS. GUZMAN IS, UH, ASKING I THINK A LOT OF OTHER FOLKS CONCERNED ABOUT POSSIBLE WHAT, YEAH, SO, SO FROM, FROM THE UH, FLOW PERSPECTIVE OF STORMWATER COMING OFF OF THE SITE, WE ARE FOUND BY MEETING PRE EXCUSE THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT FLOW.

SO THE FLOW THAT COMES OFF MORTGAGE TRACK TODAY HAS TO BE THE SAME AMOUNT OF FLOW THAT COMES OFF MORTGAGE TRACK AFTER EVERYTHING'S DEVELOPED.

SO WE'VE DONE AN ENTIRE UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM ANALYSIS FOR THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.

SO TODAY'S CONDITIONS AND THEN THE PROPOSED CONDITION WHICH FULL BUILD OUT ALL OF OREGON TRACK, UH, A STORM WATER STUDY UP THAT.

SO WE ANALYZED IT FROM A TWO YEAR STORM EVENT, WHICH IS ABOUT FOUR INCHES OF RAIN TO A 100 YEAR STORM EVENT, WHICH IS ABOUT 11 AT CHI RAY.

24 HOURS WE ARE AT THE TROPICAL STORM PERIOD CAME BY, I STILL WORK COMING UP LIKE INCHES.

BUT SO, SO WE, WE'VE DONE THOSE AT THAT DRAINAGE STUDY AND THAT'S BEEN SHARED WITH THE CITY AND IT'S, IT'S BEING REVIEWED BY A THIRD PARTY ENGINEER.

UM, SO, AND THAT, THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S NOTHING THAT IS EVEN REQUIRED BY THE MZDO NECESSARILY TO, TO EVEN GO THAT STEP.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOVE AND BEYOND REALLY EVEN WHAT, WHAT THE MZDO WOULD NECESSARILY REQUIRE.

UM, AND THEN TO YOUR QUESTION ON, ON YOU, YOU HAD SAID SOUTH POINT UPSIZE SOME OF THEIR CULVERTS.

UM, SO TODAY THE NZDO REQUIRES A 25 YEAR STORM, UH, LEVEL OF CONVEYANCE FOR STORMWATER CULVERTS.

AND WE HAVE SIZED ALL OF OUR CULVERTS FOR A 100 YEAR STORM TO THEM.

UM, SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT THAT'S REALLY THE LARGEST DESIGN STORM THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE HIGHEST STANDARD IN TERMS OF A DESIGN ORDER SERVE YOU AL I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

I WAS GONNA SAY WE ALSO ADDRESS OUR CONCERN ABOUT POND DEPTH, THE STANDARD OF , THAT CONCEPT ALSO.

SO, SO THE, THE POND DEPTH, UH, THE, THE, THE STORMWATER PONDS ARE WHAT WE USE TO ACTUALLY STORE THE, THE STORMWATER.

SO, SO WHEN, WHEN POST-DEVELOPMENT FLOWS COME INTO A STORMWATER POND, THAT'S WHAT'S YOU USE TO HOLD THE, HOLD THE WATER BACK TO ITS PREVAL LEVEL.

UM, AND THE DEPTH OF THE POND, WHAT REALLY MATTERS IN TERMS OF, UH, ACHIEVING THAT DETENTION IS FROM THE WATER LEVEL OF THE POND FOR THE TOP OF THE BANK OF THE POND.

THAT'S REALLY BELOW THAT NORMAL WATER, UM, WE DON'T ACTUALLY USE IT FOR STORMWATER DETENTION THAT'S USED FOR SEDIMENT STORAGE DURING CONSTRUCTION.

SO EVERYTHING

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SO THAT'S A, THAT'S KIND OF A SEPARATE, UH, WE'LL SAY REGULATION IN TERMS OF STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS.

I HAVE A MAP IN FRONT RIGHT.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT UP THERE, BUT THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS IN THERE THAT CORE HAS ALREADY DESIGNATED AS NON BUILT.

YEAH, THOSE, SO THOSE ARE ALL OF THE, AND SO IT'S A LITTLE TOUGH TO SEE ON THIS MAP, BUT YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE WHITE, THOSE ARE ALL WEAPON AREAS.

SO THIS IS REALLY THE BIG ONE KIND OF TO THE SOUTH BEAR.

THERE'S ANOTHER WELCOME SYSTEM STONE.

MY MAP HERE HAS A DARK GREEN AREA AND HAS A, A LIGHTER WHICH ONE? WHICH ONE ARE THE, IS IT THE, THE TAN, THE, THE LIGHTER EXECUTIVE ONES THAT ARE, ARE NOT USABLE? UH, WELL BOTH OF THESE ARE, BOTH OF THOSE CONSIDERED FRESH AIR WALK.

THEY'RE JUST DIFFERENT COLORS 'CAUSE OF PHASES AREA.

THAT'S UP HERE.

THAT'S ALL.

THOSE ARE FRESHWATER WETLANDS ARE HANDS OFF, CORRECT? YES.

THAT'S GREAT.

I, I WAS TALKING TO, TO THE CORPS THIS MORNING, SO I THINK OUR NUMBER IS 297 ACRES OF UN UNALTERED WEAPONS IN ADDITION TO BUFFERS AND THINGS.

SO JUST IN THIS, IT WAS JUST THAT YOUR SHIRT IS THERE.

SO, UM, THE LAST QUESTION I HAD WAS, UH, WHEN WE WERE DOING THE APPROVAL FOR THE CAR TRACK, IT WAS EXPLAINED TO US THAT THE, THE NATURAL FLOW OF STORM WATER IS TOWARDS THE CONTRACT AND, AND THAT OUT THAT WAY, WHAT PLANS DO YOU GUYS HAVE IN SPACE IN PLACE TO PREVENT YOUR FLOOD WATERS FROM INUNDATED THE PROPERTIES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY? YOUR PROPERTY? YEP.

SO THAT WOULD BE, LET ME ACTUALLY GO A LITTLE BIT.

IT'S ALL MATTERS.

SO THE CAR TRACK IS JUST OVER HERE.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S LABELED RIGHT THERE.

SO THIS IS THAT WEATHER SYSTEM.

SO RIGHT NOW AS YOU, AS YOU SAID, ALL OF THE STORM WATER FROM REALLY THE, THE, THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE COMES THROUGH EVEN PINE HARBOR ROAD.

ALL OF THIS COMES THROUGH AND DOWN THROUGH THE CAR TRACK.

UM, SO THAT'S WEST TO EAST AND IN, WE'RE AGAIN, WE'RE BOUND BY, WE CANNOT DISCHARGE MORE STRONG WATER AFTER DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAN GOES THERE TODAY.

SO THAT'S WHERE THAT DOWNSTREAM UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM ANALYSIS CAME IN WHERE WE ACTUALLY DID A STRONG WATER MODEL FOR ALL OF THIS AREA.

WE DID IT FOR EVERYTHING DOWN THROUGH LATITUDE AS WELL.

UH, WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT MILLSTONE, LANDING, PINE ARBOR, ALL OF THAT.

SO ALL OF THAT'S BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR AND THAT, THAT STORM WIRED OFF.

NOW, UH, THE, THERE WAS A LADY THAT WAS AT THE, THE, THE LAST MEETING AND I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAD TALKED TO MR. STA ABOUT THE FLOODING, UH, ON THE BORDER OF YOUR PROPERTY AND NO STONE LANDING AND THERE WAS SOME STANDING, SHE TAKING A BUNCH OF PICTURES.

UM, AND I THINK SHE SHARED IT THAT THE ME TOO, THAT THERE WAS FLOOD ON ON BOTH YOUR BORDERS.

SO HOW DO, HOW DO YOU PLAN ON PREVENTING FLOOD MORTARS FROM YOUR SIDE GOING TO THEIR SIDE? SO WE'LL HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO COLLECT THAT STORM WATER THAT COMES OFF OUR SIDE INTO THOSE STORMWATER PONDS OKAY.

AND DIRECT IT TO THOSE STORMWATER PONDS, UH, BEFORE WE GET STRETCH.

SO WOULD IT BE BERMS, WOULD IT BE A BERM? UH, HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS THAT FROM FO ONTO, ONTO THEIR POND? SO, MRS. KI WANTED VERY WELL, I, ONE THING I WANNA MAKE JUST CLEAR, THE MILLSTONE LANDING DEVELOPMENT HAS ITS OWN STORMWATER REGULATIONS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.

SO THE SAFETY STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO THEM ARE THE SAME STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO MILLSTONE.

WHICH IS THAT THE RUNOFF FROM THAT SUBDIVISION CAN'T BE ANYTHING GREATER THAN WHAT IT WAS PRIOR TO IT BEING EV ABOUT.

SO THOSE STANDARDS ARE THE, SAY, SAY IF YOU HAVE A RAIN EVENT, WHICH IS GREATER THAN THE 25 YEARS THAT IT'S DESIGNED FOR, THERE'S GOING TO BE STANDING WATER THAT'S HELD THERE.

NOW, QUESTION IS, I THINK THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE PLANNED ON IS, WILL, UH, HELP TO FACILITATE DRAINAGE FROM THIS AREA.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK IN OPH.

I SAW AN ANSWER IN THAT QUESTION.

SO THAT, THAT KIND OF GOES BACK TO THAT COMMIT TO INCREASE OUR CULVER SIZING FOR THE 100 YEARS.

SO WE, WE'VE DONE THAT FOR SPECIFICALLY THIS CULVERT CROSSING HERE AS WELL AS THE OTHER CULVER CROSSING.

SARA.

UH, AND MY LAST QUESTION IS THE, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY SENATOR FOR LUMBER PROP? THERE? THERE ARE, YES.

UH, THERE, THERE ARE, UM, I THINK TWO, I BELIEVE ONE, ONE CEMETERY ON THE SITE.

NO.

HAS CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE CEMETERIES AND THAT THEY BE BUFFERED AND LEFT UNDISTURBED.

UH, AND THOSE, THOSE HAVE, WE'VE BEEN, UM, THEY'VE GONE THROUGH ESSENTIALLY SIBO, YOU, UH, STATE HISTORIC RESERVATION OFFICE, UM,

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SO WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THAT HERE.

I WHAT BUFFER, HOW MUCH IS THE BUFFER YOU PLACE THAT'S RUNNING ARRE AND THE BUFFER'S 25 FEET AND THAT, THAT 25 FOOT BUFFER IS, IS ACTUALLY A RECOMMENDATION FROM SHIPPO.

SO THEY, THEY TELL US WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE WITH THAT.

WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU PLAN ON INCREASING THAT BUFFER AS A, JUST IN CASE? WELL, I, I THINK AT LEAST IN THAT SPECIFIC CASE, UH, WE WOULD HAVE, WE WOULD'VE TO COORDINATE WITH SHIPPO ON THAT TO SEE WHAT WE WOULD DO.

BUT I MEAN, IT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS DICTATED BY SHIPPO OR THE VAN WILL JUST DICTATE IT BY DOWN, BE CLEAR.

, UH, THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT WE DISCUSSED IS SWO.

OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR 50 AND THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO, TO THE 50 FEET ALSO TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ACCESS FOR FAMILY THAT THE CO VISIT, THE CEMETERY IS ALSO, YOU'RE RIGHT.

WELL, AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'S TO KEEP IN MIND, I THINK IT'S CASE BY CASE BASIS.

I THINK OF THE ONE WE'RE DISCUSSED IN THE EARLIER.

ONE IS IT IS A BIGGER AREA.

NOW, THERE WAS TESTING PERFORMED TO TRY TO, IT'S BEST POSSIBLE IDENTIFY THE SITE IN ITS ENTIRETY, JUST LIKE IS WHAT HAPPENED ON THE MORNING TRACK ALSO.

THIS ONE'S A MUCH SMALLER, I THINK ABOUT THREE, YEAH, THREE OR FOUR POTENTIAL BREAK 25 FEET.

SO IS LIKE A LOT.

AND IT'S NOT, I AGREE, I'M SITTING TO THAT WALL.

IT'S NOT THAT, BUT THEY HAVE PERFORMED ENOUGH OBSERVATION TO KNOW, THEY KNOW WHERE THEY SPOT.

SO THERE BE A FENCE GOING AROUND IT, UH, TO, THERE'LL BE ORANGE ING THAT GOES AROUND THE DIRECT CONSTRUCTION, BUT THERE'LL BE, THERE, THERE IS REQUIREMENTS, STATE REQUIREMENTS FOR HOW YOU PROTECT A CEMETERY GUARD CONSTRUCTION.

BUT MY OPINION IS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING CALLED CREATING IN PLACE THAT THOSE THINGS ACTUALLY GET DUMMY.

BECAUSE IF THOSE THINGS ARE NOT PUT IN WRITING, PEOPLE FORGET IT, SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS, AND THEN WE CANNOT PROMOTE THE UCONNS IS IS THINGS GO AWRY AND THINGS ALWAYS, I DON'T DISAGREE.

I DON'T THAT THAT I WOULD, MY RECOMMENDATION IS DON'T LAYER ON TOP OF IT ALREADY PRETTY STRUCTURED REQUIREMENT THROUGH THE STATE.

SO DON'T ANY A CONFLICTING NO REQUIREMENT.

SEE, NO.

BUT THIS STUFF THAT YOU GUYS CAN DO, SIR.

WELL, IT MATTERS.

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, RIGHT? THERE IS A STATE REQUIREMENT TO, TO PRESERVE THESE CEMETERIES.

WE'LL PROTECT THEM HOWEVER IT'S NECESSARY.

THEY WILL BE HERE.

THESE, WELL, THAT LET'S, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IS WE'VE BEEN NEGOTIATING A COVENANT VILLE.

OH, THEY HAVE AN ARCHEOLOGICAL COVENANT AND IT'S VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT THEY WANTED TO SAY AND WHAT THEY DON'T WANT IT TO SAY THEY DON'T WANT FENCES BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT ATTRACTS PEOPLE TO THEM TO MESS IT UP.

BUT THEY WANT SOME PIPE SIGN.

AND SO IF IT'S ALL VERY SPECIFIC, I'M GLAD TO SEND YOU THE DOCUMENT THAT ASKED US TO PROVIDE, BUT THAT, THAT IS A THREE DEGREE RATE PATH.

WERE THERE ANY OTHER ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES IDENTIFIED BY SHIPPO? OR WAS JUST TWO? WAS JUST TWO? WE HAD TWO CUT.

THIS TWO CEMETERY WAS ALL THAT WAS THERE.

OH, THERE'S THE HOUSE.

THERE'S THERE'S ALL HOUSE.

SO HE'S WHAT IT IS, THERE'S RED, IT'S ALL CLUSTERED TOGETHER, AND THEN THERE'S JUST CEMETERY THAT YOU, YOU'RE CLOSER IS I JUST GET, UH, UH, SOMEONE DID SEND ME SOME DOCUMENTS AND THAT THERE WAS ONE PAGE THAT WAS HEAVILY REGISTERED AND I COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING.

SO I BELIEVE THAT'S PROBABLY A LOCATION OF THOSE, THOSE SIDES THAT I WILL PICK IT.

THAT, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S RESTRICTED COVE COURSE OR THERE WAS A BALL.

DEPENDS WHERE I HAVE WATER ACROSS.

UM, YOU WERE, YOU'RE GONNA START WITH POD A AND THEN POD C YOU SAID IS THAT WE TALKING? YEAH.

A AND C, A, B, AND C.

SO THAT'S THESE A'S RIGHT HERE.

THESE RIGHT HERE.

SEAT TRIGATE.

SO PO A, UM, NUMBER OF POINTS.

YOU HERE B AND THOSE REMEMBER ? YEAH.

TOTAL IT'S IN 80 AND C IT'LL BE 3 74.

3 74 YEAH.

TO COMBINE.

AND THOSE WILL ALL BE C AT AL'S, CORRECT? YES, SIR.

THERE.

I'M GONNA GO TO THE LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT, UH, I, I SENT TO COUNSEL AFTER THE LAST MEETING.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, JUST FOR THE RECORD, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT CONSTRUCTING A $74 MILLION, FOUR LANE REASONABLE PARKWAY AND FRONTAGE ROAD AND EVERYTHING IS PAID FOR THE PPE VIA HOMES, THIS IS NOT CONSTRUCTIVE PAID BY THE CORRECTIONS.

IS PART OF, JUST LIKE YOU PUT IN WATER OR SEWING LINES, THIS IS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND PART OF THE PRICE.

WELL, WE ULTIMATELY, THE DEVELOPER PUTS IT THERE.

I JUST WANT TO YES.

UNDERSTOOD.

THIS IS NOT A, A CHRISTMAS PRESENT TO THE CITY.

THIS

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IT'S FIGURED SO YOU MAKE PROFITABLE, WHICH IS TRUE, WHICH IS WHAT BUSINESSES, I JUST WANNA, UH, EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND.

THERE ARE THINGS IN HERE THAT YOU'VE GIVEN OVER AND ABOVE CONSTRUCTING ROADS AND, AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.

SO LET, I'M GONNA GO ONE BY ONE.

UH, FIRST, HOW DO WE GET CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES WITH WIDE TURNING RADIUS ONTO 2 78? SAFE.

SAFE.

UH, HOW DO WE GET THE ROAD? THE TRUCKS GETTING PARALLEL PRIOR TO ENTERING INTO 2 78.

THEY WANT A BIG LA BLOGGING TRUCK FROM FIVE MILES AN HOUR TURNING INTO 2 78, WHICH IS A 60 MILE AN HOUR AGO.

UH, WE JUST SAW FRIDAY THE TBO BECAUSE OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THE ROAD.

SO CAN WE HAVE, IN THAT NEW ROAD YOU TALK ABOUT, AND I SPOKE TO DREW THIS MORNING, SOME SORT OF TURNING RADIUS.

SO THE TURN IS ACTUALLY MADE PARALLEL TO 2 78.

AND, AND, AND OUR PLAN IS WE PUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS TO HAVE A CONSTRUCTION ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT DETAILS ALL THESE KIND OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE AGREED UPON BETWEEN THE CITY, SOUTH CAROLINA DOT.

BUT I'M GONNA LET DREW ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE TURNING RADIUS.

BUT YEAH, SO THIS IS THAT ACCESS I THINK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, AND AGAIN, A A LOT OF THIS, IN ORDER TO EVEN GET THIS ACCESS HERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT PROCESS THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH WITH DOT.

SO THEY DO CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE TURNING RADIUSES FOR THOSE TRUCKS.

UM, IN THE END, THE, THE ACCESS WILL LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING SUTTON PROPERTY ACCESS.

UM, SO THERE WILL BE LARGE RADIUSES FOR THOSE, THOSE TRUCKS.

TO MAKE THAT TURN, I MAY, MS. MAYOR, UM, YOUR CONSTRUCTION ROAD, YOU HAVE, AS I'M LOOKING HERE AT THE MAP, YOUR SPINE ROAD IS GONNA COME OUT AT, UH, FULL ACCESS MEDIAN BREAKS, BUT YOUR CONSTRUCTION ROWING IS THERE CURRENTLY A MEDIAN BREAK RIGHT THERE? THERE'S NOT, UM, THERE'S CURRENTLY A MEDIAN, RIGHT? A LITTLE BIT TO THE EAST OF THAT UHHUH ACROSS FROM THAT SUTTON ACCESS.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY JUST WITH THE RIO MORTGAGE TRACK, UM, AGAIN, IT'S NOT AN IDEAL CASE, BUT WE, WE ARE LOOKING AT JUST HAVING TO ACCESS, UH, ESSENTIALLY A RIGHT, RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, RIGHT OUT BECAUSE IS INTO WHAT THE MAYOR IS TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU MAKE THAT, SO THEY'RE MAKING THAT TURN PRIOR TO GETTING HOUR HIGHWAY LOG TRUCKS ARE, ARE LONG VEHICLES.

THAT ROAD IS A NIGHTMARE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST GOT TO BE SAFE.

WE'VE ASKED THAT OF THE SOUTH POINT PEOPLE FOR THEIR, UH, ACCESS MANAGEMENT IF IT, IF EVEN NECESSARY TO HAVE FLAG OR SOMETHING ELSE AS TO ENSURE THE SAFETY.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING AS WE, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND, AND ACTUALLY START DEVELOPING THE ENGINEERING PLANS FOR THIS, UM, THIS, THIS, HERE'S JUST A LITTLE EXAMPLE FROM, YOU KNOW, WHAT OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.

SO WE COULDN'T JUST STRAIGHT PUT THIS ACCESS IN AND LEAVE IT.

NO, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE.

AND ALL OF THIS IS VERY STANDARDIZED BY DOT.

SO THE SPACING, THE NUMBER OF SIGNS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

AND AS WE GO DOWN THE SOURCE STORING ORDER, THAT WHI WAS THE REASON WE'RE HERE AND THE REASON WHY WE ARE BRINGING THESE UP, BECAUSE WHEN WE APPROVE DOCUMENTS ON LAWRENCE 20TH, WE WANT ALL THIS, EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN WRITING AND SOME, WHETHER IT BE THE APPENDIX PART OF THE PDD, WHATEVER, EVERYTHING MUST THAT WE TALK ABOUT, WE ASK MUST BE IN WRITING.

THAT'S CORRECT.

YES, SIR.

THAT'S WHY I SENT, SO I SENT YOU FROM THE, YOU'RE RIGHT.

OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL FIND OUT WHERE YOU LIVE.

UM, NUMBER TWO, I'M GONNA TURN OVER TO MR. MES.

CAN I, CAN I GET, DIDN'T WE PASS AROUND THE, THE LETTERS THAT HAVE THE WE DID.

THESE ARE, THIS IS THE SAME LETTER I SENT OUT THE OTHER DAY, BUT IT HAS THE RED LINE PAGES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

IT HAS, HAS ALL OF THESE POINTS IN IT SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IT IN ONE PLACE AND READ TO, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A LOT OF LEGAL TERMINOLOGY.

IT MAKES MY HEAD HURT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE REGULAR ENGLISH IS, IS TALKED ABOUT HERE.

UM, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THIS ONE CLAP.

THEM WE GOING EVERYTHING IN WRITING.

JUST MAKING

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UM, MR. MANAGEMENT, I'M GONNA TURN OVER POINT NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS DEFENSE ISSUE.

STACA.

WE HAD INITIALLY DISCUSSED FENCING BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES, UH, THROUGH NUMEROUS REASONS.

UM, LAST FRIDAY I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO DOWN STRYKER ROAD AND YOU THE BORDER AND HOW THE BORDER YOU COME TO THE LAW, UH, IN YOUR, THE, THE BURNING BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES, UH, ON THE MINTO SITE, UH, THAT WOULD DO WHAT SOUTH OF THE SUTTON PROPERTY SEEMS TO BE SUFFICIENT.

THERE'S ONE SMALL AREA THAT THE ADJOINING WETLAND FROM THE MORING TRACT COMES IN.

NOW WE HAVE DISCUSSED WHAT COULD BE DONE WITH THAT.

AND ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS SUFFICIENT, UH, UH, PLANTINGS OF BUSHES TO SCREEN STRYKER ROAD FROM THOSE YIELDS.

AND I THINK THERE'S ABOUT EIGHT 10 OF THEM THAT ARE ACROSS THERE THAT NEED THAT.

UM, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU ALL PAY FOR THAT MINTO PLANET.

LET 'EM DO WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE.

I THINK IT'S A A, AN AL SOLUTION FOR THE PROPERTY.

A FENCING IS, I LOOK UPON IT.

THE FENCING DID NOT LOOK LIKE IT WOULD WORK.

A COUPLE OF REASONS.

FIRST OFF IS, IS A FENCING FENCE IS A ME, UH, MAINTENANCE ISSUE THAT'S GOING TO BE DOWN A ROAD.

SUFFICIENT BURNING ON THE MINTO SIDE.

SUFFICIENT SETBACKS WITH THE, UH, VEGETATION ON YOUR SIDE SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT.

UH, I WAS PLEASED TO NOTICE THAT FENCES WILL BE ALLOWED FOR THE HOMES ON THE MOR TRACK.

THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED IN MY CURRENT TRACK, THE, THE MITCHELL PLOWS.

UM, THERE'S REASON I ASKED FOR FENCING IS BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FAMILIES.

NOW, I DID NOT WANNA SEE CHILDREN OUT ON STRYKER ROAD WITH KIDS OR KIDS.

I WAS ONE.

WE WERE ALL YOUR PARENTS TOLD YOU NOT TO GO THERE.

WHAT WAS THE FIRST THING YOU DID? FIRST CHANCE YOU GOT? THAT'S WHERE WE WORKED.

BUT IF THEY COULD PUT UP FENCES, THEY WANNA PROTECT THEIR CHILDREN THAT WAY, THAT'S FINE.

UH, BUT THE FENCING IS, UH, A PAST ISSUE NOW.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE NECESSARY AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD SERVE THE PURPOSE THAT I INITIALLY BROUGHT.

AND JUST TO TAKE ONE STEP BACK, WHAT, WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, THE LAST WORKSHOP WAS PUTTING SOME FENCES ALONG, UH, MARGARITA BUILD PROPERTY, UH, TO BLOCK TRAFFIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE'VE COMMITTED TO PAY FOR THAT MM-HMM .

AND WE AGREED TO DO THAT.

AND NOW WE'RE THINKING THAT'S NOT THE BEST SOLUTION.

THE BEST SOLUTION IS SOME TYPE OF PERMANENT HEDGE OR SOMETHING ON THE MARGARITAVILLE SIDE.

AND WE'RE ALSO COMMITTED TO PAID FOR THAT.

UH, WE JUST WANT A, A WAY TO, TO ACCOMPLISH THIS THAT DOESN'T CAUSE DELAYS FOR US, WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE ON THE PROPERTY OWNER ASSOCIATION PROPERTY OR ON THE INDIVIDUAL LOT OWNERS PROPERTY.

UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO US.

YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO DO WHATEVER YOU THINK IS BEST GOOD PLANS TO A GOOD NEIGHBORS.

A GOOD FIRM MAKES A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND A GOOD LINE OF BUSHES THAT, UH, WILL MAKE MAKE GOOD NEIGHBORS ALSO.

AND SO, SO OUR THOUGHT PROCESS, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME THROUGH, YOU KINDA SHOW WHERE THESE AREAS ARE.

THERE'S NO AREAS, THIS, THIS AREA HERE BE, THERE'S A EXISTING WETLAND ON THE LATITUDE SIDE ABOUT IN THIS AREA AND LOOKING AT IT, THERE'S NO BERM ACROSS THAT WETLAND THERE.

SO THESE HOUSES HERE WAS THE GENERAL AREA.

SO DID, DID YOU GUYS HAVE A PREFERENCE OR TALK ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, JOSH, IF Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT, WOULD THIS BE THROUGH THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION OF MORE GREEN BELT OR THROUGH THE THEY STILL HAVE THEIR CONTROL OF EVERYTHING.

THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I, LEAVING UP TO YOU FOLKS TO TALK WITH THEM, TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO PROTECT THESE PEOPLE FROM THE NOISE AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SURE, SURE.

UH, WE HAVE ONE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT IS AFFECTED BY THIS.

WITHIN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

SO WHAT ON, ON ONE OF THOSE HOUSES THAT'S RIGHT THERE.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE NOTE IN THE MEETING NOTES.

IT IS IN WRITING HOW HIGH THOSE BUTCHES ARE GONNA BE AND EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE SO THAT WE DON'T, ALL OF A SUDDEN WE FIND THEIR LITTLE TEENY BUSHES VERSUS SIX FOOT BUSHES THAT STEVE AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER DAY.

SO, UM, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE? HOW ABOUT SUFFICIENT TO ACCOMPLISH THE PRIVACY AND SEPARATION NECESSARY? IS THERE SURE, YEAH.

AND I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, BUT I THINK THERE'S A CERTAIN WIDTH, YOU, YOU PLANT THE SHRUBS AT A CERTAIN HEIGHT SO THAT YOU CAN, UM, REACH A CERTAIN DESIRE.

SO WE HAVE SOMEBODY HERE THAT, THAT A DESIRE LEVEL

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I THINK THEY GREW ABOUT THREE SEED A YEAR.

UH, THE PROBABLY THERE, THERE WILL BE, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, YOU GOTTA PLANT SOMETHING FAIRLY LARGE INITIALLY THERE IS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ONLY BUY PLANTS SO BIG.

RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO THERE WILL BE A, SOME GROWING IN PERIOD FOR THEM.

UM, BUT YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE A SUFFICIENT SIZE.

AND YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT PUTTING IT ALONG THE WETLANDS, RIGHT? OF THE MORTAR OR MARGARITA? LIKE ON THOSE ONE? THINK WE'RE PUTTING IT ALONG THE BACK OF THE WATTS.

LETTING ARE A LOT.

SO YES MA'AM.

BECAUSE IT CANNOT GO AGAIN THROUGH WET.

I THOUGHT THEY SAID THERE SOMEONE RIGHT HERE.

I THINK SO.

MAYBE I HEARD ROCK.

NO, THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

YES, SIR.

FIRST DAY COMMENT ON THAT ONE ISSUE.

YOU SAID ENOUGH OF PRIVACY AND PRIVACY IS AN INTERESTING DEFINITION, BUT I THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED LIMITED COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH AND COMING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

PRIVACY ISN'T JUST NOISE.

SO HOW DO YOU, HOW ARE THEY GONNA MAKE SURE THAT YOUR RESIDENTS OR THE KIDS AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OR EIGHT O'CLOCK OUTSIDE JUST TO WALK THROUGH THE BUSHES AND WALK AROUND MINTO FIRST? THE WELDING IS, THE WEAPON IS ALREADY THERE.

AND THE BERM, THE BACKSIDE OF THAT BERM IS NOT SOMETHING HE WOULD PICK FOR ADULT TO CLIMB UP.

UM, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE OPEN ISSUES, LIKE I ASSUME IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME, BUT THERE ARE OPEN ISSUES WHERE THEY CAN COME ACROSS WITHOUT IT BASIC, SIR, STEVE WENT OUT, OUR STAFF WENT OUT, I WAS OUT THERE SOME MORNING BEHIND.

UH, THIS GENTLE LADY'S HOME IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WET ALERTS WHERE THERE'S NOT WETLANDS WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE THIN IS A, HOW HIGH IS THAT? P LEAST 10 TO 15 DEEP.

NOW WHAT I ASKED DREW THIS MORNING IS KEN AND DOUG WITH ME AS WELL ON THAT BURN, WHICH IS JUST A GRASSY KNOLL AT THIS POINT.

IT'S HIGH.

UM, IF WE COULD PUT PLANTINGS UP ON TOP OF THAT BURN IN ADDITION TO JUST LEAVING THE BUR IN THE SENSE, RIGHT, DREW? YES, SIR.

AND I THINK I'D LIKE TO PUT THAT IN THERE.

AND AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT IS CONCERNED THAT WHEN BUILT UP, PARTICULARLY WITH THAT FIRM, THAT IT GO TO THE HEIGHT AND ROOF.

SO YEAH.

AND THAT COULD BE A STANDARD.

JOSHUA, WERE YOU GONNA WELL, I WAS SAY SO FOR A LARGE PORTION OF IT, THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING VEGETATION THAT'S GROWN UP.

THERE'S ONE PORTION OF THE BERM THAT AT ONE POINT IN TIME HAD BEEN CLEARED.

NOW THE BERM EXISTS AND THEY'VE REPLANTED ON THE OTHER SIDE ALREADY.

AND SO WE'VE GOT SOME PHOTOS OF THAT.

SO REALLY THE ONLY AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY PLANTINGS IS THE WETLANDS AREA, WHICH DOESN'T ALLOW FOR ANY, WHICH IS WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.

WHAT I'M ASKING, UH, THE DEVELOPER TO DO IS ON TOP OF THAT BIRD.

THAT IS NEARLY YOUR HEAD.

THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S DOWN.

OKAY, SO BEHIND YOURS IS WETLANDS, RIGHT? TWO HOUSES DOWN FROM THE END IS WHERE THAT FIRM BEGINS.

WHAT I'M ASKING FOR THAT RIGHT NOW? THERE IS NO, IS THIS , CAN WE MAKE THAT A LANDSCAPE BURN IN ADDITION? AND I KNOW THAT PORTION OF THE BURN I BELIEVE IS ON MINTER, BUT I DID WHAT I JUST POINT OUT THAT, THAT THAT BURNED IS ABOUT WHERE, WHERE IT'S NOT PLANTED.

IT'S IN AN AREA WHERE WE, I MEAN WE'RE REALLY SURROUNDED BY WETLANDS HERE.

LIKE THIS, THIS BASE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DEVELOP IN.

SO ON OUR SIDE OF IT, IN THAT PARTICULAR SPOT, THE LOTS ARE SET OFF A, A GOOD DISTANCE FROM.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT BURN IS ON MENTOS POCKET, BUT JUST LIKE STEVE SAID, INSTEAD OF ASKING FOR A FENCE WE ASKED FOR, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A LONG DISTANCE, REMEMBER? YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY, UH, I DON'T KNOW.

I MAYOR WE GET A VERIFICATION FOR THAT, BUT I THINK FROM THE DISCUSSION WITH UH, UH, DOUG, RIGHT, THEY JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN PLANTINGS ON THAT PORTION YET.

IF YOU WENT FURTHER DOWN ALONG YOUR WILL, WE BASE SIX OF THE OTHER, THEY ALREADY HAVE PLANTEE ON TOP.

THEY, WELL, I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT THAT ONE BURN THAT HAS NOTHING NOW.

AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S HIGH, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN SEE THE ROOF LINE OF THAT LAST HOUSE.

THAT IS SPEED.

THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE ENVISIONING.

BURN ON THE, THE HOUSE TWO DOORS DOWN.

I I I'M ENVISIONING PUTTING THAT ON TOP OF THE

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SO THERE, RIGHT, THAT'S WHERE THAT OTHER DRONE YES.

STARTS.

AND I THINK TO JOSH'S POINT TOO, THE, THE PARTICULAR AREA WHERE IT'S JUST GRASSY NOW, THERE HAVE BEEN, YEAH, SEE THERE HAVE BEEN LANING OUT.

THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING.

AND THIS IS, THIS IS THE OAK.

I DIDN'T SEE THAT.

NOW THE ONLY REASON I SAW THIS IS BECAUSE I HAD TO CLIMB TO THE TOP OF THE BER TO TAKE THIS PICTURE.

I JUST, AND I GET A NOT HAVING NUT.

I WAS THERE.

I DON'T, I'M NOT CLIMBING TO THE BER.

SO I COULD TELL YOU IT IS PRETTY STEEP.

IT'S PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL.

BUT THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I KNEW THAT THERE WAS PLANTING ON THE OTHER SIDE.

QUESTION, ANSWER.

SEE, SO WE, SO WHEN THERE'S ALREADY PLANTINGS ON TOP OF THE BERM, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THE PLANTINGS DOWN BELOW THE BERM DURING THE AND BEHIND ANALYSIS, SO THEY'RE DIRECTLY BLOCKED.

ALL RIGHT.

QUESTION AND ANSWER.

IT'S IN THIS PICTURE.

ANSWER THE GENTLEMAN QUESTION.

SO I AGREE WITH STEVE THAT, UM, GIVEN THE LENGTH, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THERE AND THE MORTGAGE, THE ROAD IN BETWEEN, UH, I THINK THE FENCE IS UNNECESSARY.

I WISH WE COULD DO SOMETHING TO PREVENT CHILDREN OR ANYBODY , BUT WE HAVE DONE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THE MOST WE POSSIBLY CAN.

UM, , WE ALWAYS KNOW THAT A FENCE, IF YOU WALK AROUND ANYWAY ON THAT, UM, AS WE MOVE ON WITH THIS, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HIGH OF THOSE.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TAKEN THIS AS FAR AS WE POSSIBLY CAN WITH BOTH SIDES.

THERE, THERE ARE PROBABLY A LOT OF SNAKES IN THAT WETS BETWEEN, ALRIGHT, UH, PLEASE THIS, SHE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I HAVE TWO QUESTION.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, IF HE CAN GET UP THAT FIRM, TEENAGERS CAN'T GET UP THAT FIRM OR ANYWAY THEM THAT I'M JUST SAYING JOSH, IF IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT DETECTING, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IF THEY'RE SECURE FOR US, AND I KNOW YOU ARE ON THE PROPERTY, SO, BUT YOUR, YOU COULD DO WHAT YOU WANT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE IN A 6,500 OLD COMMUNITY.

WE LOOKED THERE BECAUSE OF THAT AND POSSIBLY THE LAKES OR, BUT THEY, THERE'S NO KIDS THERE.

KIDS ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

AND YOU KIDS WILL BE KIDS.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN HE WAS A KID, HE COULD HAVE CLIMBED THAT FRONT AND SHE WOULD'VE .

I'M ALSO WONDERING WHAT KIND OF STRUCTURE SHOULD WE BE FOOTING ON THERE? WILL THEY BE SL FAMILY HOMES? WILL THEY BE APARTMENTS? WILL THEY BE DUPLEXES WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED OR THEY DO ANY PROPERTY TO US? THIS, THIS IS SEAN WARE.

HE'S WITH THE BAND.

YEAH, SEAN WARE.

UH, WITH DR.

WARDEN, THE FIRST PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION, WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILIES ATTACHED HOMES PLANNED.

UM, SOME WILL BE FRONT ENTRY AND THEN, UM, A PORTION OF PHASE ONE IS CONSIDERED TO BE ALLEY LOADED CURRENTLY.

SAY THAT AGAIN.

, SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY DETACH HOMES ATTACHED NEXT POD A AND C AND A, B AND C.

THAT IS CORRECT.

POD A WILL HAVE AN ALLEY LOADED COMPONENT.

POT B AND C ARE BOTH FRONT AND TRUCK.

YOU HAVE A SECOND QUESTION.

IT'LL BE, WE ARE CUTTING AND SO THERE'LL BE NO TREES.

THERE WILL BE, AND I'LL ASK THIS QUESTION BECAUSE THAT WAS IN THE NEXT ONE.

THERE WILL BE 50 FEET UNCUT BUFFER MAINTAINED A LONG STRIKER ROOF.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.

WE AGREED TO 50 FOOT UNRU BUFFER.

AND THAT'S AGAIN, THAT'S THE MINIMUM BECAUSE I'M MAKE SURE THAT'S THE, ALL OF THESE WETLAND AREAS IN HERE WE'RE NOT TOUCHING ANYWAYS.

SO I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WETLANDS AREA.

YOU'RE TALKING WHERE, SEE WHERE ODD B IS THERE.

SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE UM, STRIKER ROAD THERE AND ON THEIR SIDE, IF YOU GO DOWN STRYKER RUNNER, NOW IT'S ALL WOODY, MOSTLY PINES.

SO THE BUFFER THAT'S OF 50 FEET AND IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER BY ROB THAT DO, THEY'RE INCREASING IT FROM 10 TO 50 FEET, WHICH IS NOTHING BY THE WAY, BUT IT WILL BE UNDISTURBED.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO THAT MEANS WHEN THEY CLEAR CUT TO DO POD B, ALASKA FEET WILL NOT BE TOUCHED.

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SO THEY, THEY WILL MAINTAIN WOODED.

NOW WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.

WHEN YOU CLEAR CUT UP TO 50 FEET, IT'S PRETTY THIN, PARTICULARLY IN THE WIND.

YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THROUGH, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 50 FEET, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO STRIKE A ROAD.

THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE MATTER THAT, THAT THESE KIDS CAN CLIMB.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT UM, IF I CATCH YOUR HUSBAND ALONE, TAKE A PICTURE OF THIS GUY.

IF HE'S CLIMBING A BURN, LET'S GET HIM.

UM, BUT SO THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT GOING ON IN BETWEEN.

I'LL ASK THE QUESTION THAT SHE PROBABLY HAS WHILE WERE THERE.

AND UH, IF I ASKED YOU THIS MORNING BEHIND THE 50 FEET THAT LEFT ON CUT, SO BE BETWEEN THE WOODS AND THE, THE BACK DOOR OF THESE, OF POD B, IS THERE A, A LANDSCAPING BURN WE CAN PUT IN THERE? CERTAINLY THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE MARKET ABILITY OF YOUR FALLS.

WHAT? SO WHAT WHAT WE HAVE NOW JUST TO CLARIFY IS WE HAVE, WE HAVE WETLANDS MOST OF THE PLACE.

THEN WE HAVE 50 C IN PLACES IT'S TO FIVE FEET, BUT THEN THEY HAVE 50 FEET ON THEIR SIDE TOO.

SO THERE'S ANOTHER 50 FEET ON THE MARGARITAVILLE SIDE.

MS HUM, THAT'S NO AVA WHO WOULD STACK SIX TO THE POINTED HEAD VESTING.

I'LL, I'LL ASK SEAN SPECIFICALLY.

THE RED DO UP LINE IS STRIKER ROAD, RIGHT? YES, CORRECT.

ALONG THERE NOW IS A WOODED LINE AND YOU WILL MAINTAIN 50 FEET OF UNCUT WOOD.

WHAT I'M ASKING IS BETWEEN THE HOUSES AND THAT 50 FEET OF WINE, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT'LL, IT'LL BE PRETTY THIN.

IS IT, CAN WE PUT SOME SORT OF LENGTH SKATE BURN ALONG? I MAYOR, I DON'T, I MEAN FOR THE BE IT BEING A SUBSTANTIAL SIZE, IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY WIDE.

AND WITH IT HERE TO THE PLAN AS HAS BEEN DEVELOPED, I THINK THERE'S THE, THOSE NCDO HAS BEEN ENHANCED OVER THE YEARS SINCE THIS IS ORIGINALLY ENTITLED AND WE'VE PULLED THE DUTY DO AND IT HAS PRETTY STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT THE BUFFERING THE VEGETATION THAT WILL BE REQUIRED INSIDE THAT BUFFER CONTINUES INTENDED TO BE THEN THAT.

SO THAT'S UH, ALONG WAY OF GETTING MY YES, NO QUESTION AS I NOT YOU THINK SO, RIGHT? YES.

ALRIGHT.

WILL OFF B, WILL THOSE BE FRONT LOAD HOMES? FRONT LOAD? YES.

CA RIGHT? YES, CORRECT.

AND WHAT, CAN YOU HEAR ME AN IDEA WHAT THE DEPTH OF THOSE LOTS ARE? 150 FOOT, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED B.

UH YEP.

115 FEET.

WHAT WILL THE SETBACK BE FROM THE BACK PROPERTY LINE TO REAR, REAR OF THE HOME? UH, 15 FOOT OVER REAR.

PROPERTY.

IT LEND THIS CENTERBACK 15 FOOT, THAT'S A HOME ITSELF AT JUST A MINUTES, WHETHER WE FOUR, SO 15 FEET, 50 FEET, 20 FEET.

50 FEET WOULD BE FROM HOME TO HOME.

THEN WELL BETWEEN, FROM THE BACK YOU'RE TALKING FROM THE WOOD LINE DOWN ABOUT YEAH.

15, 15 FOOT TO THE 50, 15 FEET.

SO YOU GOT AT 65 FEET YOU GET UH, 85 FEET PLUS ANOTHER FIT.

SO ABOUT 135 FEET BETWEEN THE BACK OF ONE MOMENT AND THE BACK OF THAT ALL.

WHICH , THOSE ARE THE YEAH.

PLUS TWO WE HAD IN THE SAME BLINDS IS PRODUCT THAT'S IN MARGARITA VER SURE.

THOSE LAWS ARE 1 35 FOOT DEEP.

BUT THERE'S A COMMON AREA BACK END OF TO, BUT SAMES WILL BE ON THIS SIDE TOO.

THAT 50 FOOT BUFFER FROM BOTH SIDES.

LEMME JUST, OKAY.

ALRIGHT, LET'S, UH, I'D SEE OUR HAND BACK THERE.

HENRY MARIE, ASK THE QUESTION REAL QUICK.

JUST LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE APARTMENTS BEHIND SUN CITY THERE, WHEN YOU CUT TO 50 FEET, THERE ARE SOME TALL PINTS AND THERE ARE SOME LESS FALL THAT DENSE.

SO MR. MAYOR, WHEN YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE, OR THE OFFSET THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE A 50 FOOT SOLID WOODED BUFFER THERE.

CORRECT? YOU SAID WHAT? YOU SAID UNCUT, UNCUT, UNCUT TREE LINE.

SO WHEN YOU SAY UNCUT AND I, WHAT I'M ENVISIONING IS NO LIMBING BEING DOWN THE TREE WHERE HALF THE TREE IS NAKED AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS LITTLE CANOPY ON TOP AND YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING TO KINGDOM COME.

SO WHEN, WHEN THE MAYOR SAYS, ACTUALLY IT IS UNCUT, THERE'S NO ABSOLUTELY NO LIMBING BIT THAT AND AND IT COULD STILL BE SUBSTANTIAL MUY, CORRECT? NOT NECESSARILY.

IF YOU GO BACK THERE,

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IT'S ALWAYS, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT AS DENSE OR AS CANOPIED AS HE IS NOW.

MM-HMM BUT TIME 50 FEET MAY YOU CUT THOSE, THOSE PINE FORESTS DOWN, IT'S, IT'S A LOT LESS.

IT'S THINNER.

AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS IF THE DEPTH TREES ALONE WITHOUT LENSING THEN YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO INTENT THAT IT'S UNCUT.

NO, IT IS UNDISTURBED IS THE WORD WE TYPICALLY USE.

SO WE WE'RE NOT GOING IN THERE TO CUT IT AND NOT GOING OKAY.

IT'S LEFT JUST THE WAY THE OTHER ONE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

IF I REMEMBER RIGHT ALONG IN THERE TOOTH, THERE'S A TWO OR CREEK HOOK LIKE DRAINAGE DITCH RUNNING ALONG STRIKE ROAD, WHICH ALSO BECOMES HARD.

BUT THAT'S IN WITHIN THE FIFTH, THAT'S THE EXISTING ADDITIONS TODAY.

BUT IF I REMEMBER THAT WHOLE AREA THERE, IT IS STILL RATHER DAMP.

IT'S SINCE THE UM, SEE, SO IT'LL BE LEFT JUST LIKE THAT? YES.

NO, THE LIMPING.

WHAT I MEAN LIMPING, CUTTING ALL THOSE LITTLE BRANCHES AND JUST LEAVING THE TIME OR RAKING IN CANOPY ON TOP LIMP.

OH, I THOUGHT LIMP.

THE TREES WERE LIMPING.

LIMPING.

I LIVE THE TREES GROW.

WELL YOU WON LI I DESERVE THAT.

MISS, UH, I HAD A QUESTION.

UM, THIS MIGHT BE PRECEDED HERE IN THE DIAGRAM WHICH SHOWED MARGARIE BILL GLIDE SERIES.

IS THAT PHASE FOUR IS YES.

PHASE S FOUR.

AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS STRYKER ROPE, WHAT IS THAT USED FOR TODAY AND WHAT WILL IT BE COME IN THE FUTURE? WELL, CURRENTLY IT'S USED, IT IT'S USED FOR AND HAS BEEN, AND IT HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE ROAD.

I MEAN THERE I'M SURE STILL USED TIME TO TIME FOR, UM, CONSTRUCTION OF MARGARITA BILL.

THERE WAS A MASTER OVERALL PER MANAGE THE PLAN THAT HAD TO OCCUR TO GET THE WHOLE SITE FILLED TO THE APPROPRIATE GRADE.

SO IN ORDER TO KEEP THE TRUCKS OFF OF THE INTERNAL ROADWAY NETWORK, IT WAS UTILIZED STRYKER ROAD RIGHT TO SERVE ROADS.

SOME OF THAT WILL COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN THE FUTURE DON'T KNOW YET, BUT AS WERA HERE IS POINTING AT IT FOR POD A BC STRIKER ROAD COME UP, 2 78 HIT, THERE'S A EXISTING I ROAD AND MORGAN TRACK CURRENT IN THE PERC END OF THE SITE.

SO IT WILL NOT COME DOWN TO THIS POINT, BUT IT IT IS STILL A CONSTRUCTION ROAD USING IT FOR THE CAR TRACK.

PROBABLY IT IS CONSTRUCTION BASICALLY.

WELL, YEAH, NO, NO, IT DOESN'T WHAT EXACTLY EXISTS? SORRY, AND THAT SHOULD HAVE GONE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

IT BETWEEN THE TWO, THE THREE PROPERTIES THAT, UH, ANDERSON, MORGAN AND CAR , THERE'S, THERE'S AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY ORDERS AND ALLOW FOR ACCESS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTIES.

IS IT THROUGH THAT THAT FLOWS TO THAT'S RIGHT.

MY CONVERSATION WITH PUT MINTO UH, THE OTHER DAY IS ACCORDING TO LEE, UH, WHO IS GOING TO BE DOING THEIR LAND CARRYING FORM, THEY PLAN ON DOING MOST OF THEIR LOGGING OF THE CAR TRACK AND TAKING IT OUT OF DIRT ROAD DOWN TO 46.

SO SHORT ROW SHORTLY, THERE SHOULD BE A LOT LESS TRAFFIC ON, UH, STRIKER ROAD WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE.

ONCE THEY GET GOING, IT WILL NOT EVEN COME DOWN TO PHASE FOUR.

THEY WILL CUT OFF BEFORE THEY GET TO PHASE FOUR.

WE DON'T.

YEAH, WE DON'T, AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND MR. WE DON'T KIND TO PRO THE BALL RIGHT NOW, BUT THE EARTH WILL, THE EARTH WINGS' PLAN WILL KIND OF GENERALLY MA MATERIALS GENERATED SOMEWHERE GENERALLY TOWARDS THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU CAN GET TAKEN FROM HERE.

IT JUST LOGISTICALLY IT JUST MAKES SENSE AND IT WORKS.

IT GOES NO, THIS IS DEVELOPED NOW TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FROM THIS POINT INTO THIS POINT, TO THIS POINT INTO THIS PUMP.

SO IT'S REALLY NOT NECESSARILY A REASON KID BACK ON STRIKER ROAD ANYTIME FOR THE SIERRA FUTURE IF EVER BEYOND, AGAIN, BEYOND THIS FAR BECAUSE IT HAD TO UTILIZED THIS FAR WHILE THIS ROAD IS BEING CONNECTED.

OKAY, WELL THIS ISSUE, UH, OCCURRED.

ONE QUICK QUESTION.

UM, ARE I KNOW YOU HAVE POLYCOMS ON THERE, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE SCHOOL FOOLS OTHER RECREATIONAL? YES.

UH, THANKS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT, FOR THE, FOR THE KIDS THAT THERE LET'S GO DOWN THE LIST.

OKAY, LET'S, LET'S READ SOME QUESTIONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE BECAUSE, AND IT'S RELATED BECAUSE MOST LIKELY COMES OVER TO USE WATER BILLS, POOLS IS MORE THAN HE, IT HAS THEIR ONLY POOL.

I'M ASSUMING MAY I GET THE DEFINITION OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME

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IN THAT HIGH BEE PLEASE.

WHAT THAT MEANS SHE NEEDS TO BE A VILLAGE HERE A PLACE, BUT IT'S A COMMON EVEN WALL AS SHE WANTS TO KNOW.

SO LIKE WE SHARE A ROUGH WITH THE, WITH OUR NEIGHBOR.

A SINGLE FAMILY HOME MEANS THERE'S ONE FAMILY LIVING IN A HOME.

THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED BY A CALLING.

SO EACH ONE HAS ITS OWN LOCK WANTS, WHICH WE KNOW.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO BACK TO THIS.

MY QUESTION.

I'M SORRY.

NO, WAIT, WAIT.

THIS IS COUNSEL QUESTIONING.

I'LL COME BACK TO YOU SIR.

UM, 'CAUSE WE, SOME OF THESE THINGS MAY BE ADDRESSED AND THAT'S WHY I SAID ABOUT THE FAR, LET, LET ME GO THROUGH MY LIST THAT, UH, HAS ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED.

SO I SKIPPED THOSE ANSWER.

SO, SO WE DON'T DUPLICATE AND WE MOVE ALONG.

UM, ON SWITCHING AWAY FROM MARGARITAVILLE, WHAT CAME UP IS, AND WE HAD A RESIDENT COMING FROM THE MILLSTONE LAND, THEY WILL DEVELOP WHAT ARE THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS THAT A LONG MILLSTONE LANDING, THE 630 HOMES PLANNED THAT BORDER THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF UH, MORGAN.

AND THEY, THERE'S NO WEGMANS IN THERE.

WHAT'S, WHAT'S UP PLAN? SO WE HAVE A 50 FOOT BUFFER THERE WHEN WE COMMITTED TO DOING OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

SOME OF THAT BUFFER IS NOT CLEARLY PLANTED AS TO SUPPLEMENT THE UNDISTURBED BUFFER WITH PLANTING.

DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT LAND DO THERE? YEAH, SO THERE IS AN OPEN AREA THAT THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE TODAY.

THERE'S AN EXISTING DIRT ROAD ON MORGAN TRACT, UH, OFF OF 46 HERE.

UM, THERE'S ALSO A DIRT ROAD THAT KIND OF RUNS RIGHT ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN MILLSTONE LANDING AND MORTGAGE TRACK.

SO WE ARE DOING A 50 FOOT BUFFER OFF THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEN WE'RE ALSO COMMITTING TO DOING ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS IN THAT CLEAR AREA.

UM, AND THEN WE ARE NOT GONNA BE USING THIS ROAD AT ALL FOR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.

THOSE WILL BE PULLED HONESTLY KIND OF COMING BACK THE OTHER WAY 'CAUSE THIS IS ALL OBVIOUSLY THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE IN OUR DEVELOPMENTS.

OFFICER, LET'S GO BACK TO THE QUEST.

WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE BUFFER AND THAT YOU ONLY SEE IN THE PART THE, THE A HUNDRED TO LESS 7,500 OF THE BUILT ALREADY.

BUT THAT MILLSTONE LANDING GOES THE UH, QUITE BIT OF FAR WHAT'S GOING TO BE BUFFER ALONG THAT? THE FIRE SIDE THAT BORDERS MILLSTONE 50 E 50 I DISTURBED YES.

50 OF DISTURB WHEN DISTURBED BOARD IMPROVED.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVING IT WHERE THERE ARE NOT TREES THERE NOW.

SO AS IF THERE'S NO TREES THERE NOW WHAT'S GONNA GO SOME TYPE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, IT WOULD BE ING'S GONNA BE SO SOMETHING IT WOULD BE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE, IT, IT'S, THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH IS THE CURRENT MCDO UM, LANDSCAPE.

SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF HOVER STORY AND HOVER STORY.

SO IT'S NOT JUST GONNA MAKE TALL PLANTS OR TALL TREES, IT'S GONNA HAVE SOME UNDERSTORY TOO.

THEY'LL HAVE TO PROPOSE THEIR, THEIR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WILL HAVE TO DISMISS A STAFFORD YOU COMMITTEE AND IT HAS TO MEET THE INTENT ON AN ACTUAL ER COUNCIL BELIEVING THE EXISTING IS FINE.

UM, YOU KNOW WHAT THE PLANNINGS ARE, I'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU BUT SURE PLANTINGS PUT IN THERE, BUT I KNOW THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE.

BUT I GUESS WHEN IT COMES BACK TO THE SITE REVIEW PLAN, I'M GONNA BE SITTING THERE LOOKING AT THIS JUST LIKE THERE IS A CERTAIN REQUIREMENT AND I, I, I APOLOGIZE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I, I'D HAVE TO GO LOOK AT 'CAUSE IT'S LAND USE TO LAND USE.

THERE'S DIFFERING ONES, BUT BY A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME THERE'S A CERTAIN CAPACITY.

SO STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE LOOKS AT THOSE TYPES OF TREES, LOOKS AT UM, WE USE CLEMSON EXTENSION HAS A GREAT RESOURCE OF NATURAL, UM, PLANTINGS THAT WORK IN THIS AREA.

WE CAN PUT IN THE SOIL TIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE EXPECTED TO BE MATURED BY THAT CERTAIN TIME PERIOD.

UM, AND IF IT'S NOT AS WE DO OUR ROUTINE INSPECTIONS, WE CAN, WE CAN ENFORCE ADDITIONAL PLANT.

COULD HE GIVE YOU THOSE PLANTINGS AND THE SIZE IN IN CAN BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THESE FOLKS LIVE ALONG THE AREA THAT'S GOING TO D STREET SOME.

SO WE HAD AN IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE.

I DON'T WANT LITTLE PLANTINGS IN THERE HERE OR ANY PLACE ELSE.

YOU KNOW, I ABOUT A YOUNG MAN, I DON'T WANNA BE 90 YEARS OLD.

THE TREE FINALLY GETS THIS TALL.

WE HAVE, I'LL BE 90 YEARS

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OLD.

I PROBABLY WON'T MAKE IT THAT FAR, BUT THAT IS SHORTER THAN OUR MINIMUM TREE SIZE.

SO WE DO, WE HAVE A MINIMUM TREE HEIGHT AND A MINIMUM SHR SHRUB HEIGHT.

SO WE WILL SHE JUST GIVING ME ALL OF THAT.

SO, SO I KNOW HER COFFEE THANK AS LONG AS IT IS AND I I JUST, I REMINDED TO US THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN ON THE OTHER SIDE.

THESE ARE UNGATED COMMUNITIES BACKING TO UNGATED .

YOU KNOW, KIDS TO KIDS, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO GO AND LOBBY TILL THIS ALL.

SO, UH, SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

BUT AT AT LEAST THERE SHOULD BE SOME BUFFER WHETHER IT'S REPLAYED OR UNDERSTOOD.

CAN WE PUT THAT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? THERE'S RED LINES I GOT SO THOSE MAKE SURE YOU SAID AND WELL I'M KEEPING TWO TREES.

I I READ IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT IT SAYS THREE, WE HAVE A TREE REPLACEMENT OF 50 KILO TREES PER EIGHTH.

AND IT SAID IN THERE THAT THREE PALMS PER WERE A LAUGH.

ALL THE OTHER ONES THAT WE USED SAID TO YOUR PVDS, THERE MUST BE 15 HARDWOOD INDIGENOUS TO SOUTH KHO WHERE THE PALM TREES, THE PALM TREES ARE A SPECIAL REQUEST WITH THIS PDD.

SO YOU CAN CHOOSE IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THAT IS APPROPRIATE.

IT WAS DEVELOPMENT THEM.

THAT IS, YOU KNOW, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS CAN HAVE DIFFERING STANDARDS AND SO IF THEY, YOU CAN WORK WITH THEM IF THEY'RE DOING ADDITIONAL BUFFERING SOMEWHERE AND YOU THINK THAT THAT MAKES UP FOR KEVIN ARGOS, LIKE THAT'S A DISCUSSION BETWEEN YOU AND THE ATMOSPHERE WE COUNSEL.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? WHAT IS THAT ON THIS AND CCO WAS NATIVE PARTNER.

SEE WHAT I, I THINK, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO ARY IN EXCEPT P THAT'S OKAY.

YOU CAN, I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE HELPED SAID WITH EVERY OTHER PBB THAT'S 15 TREES INDIGENOUS, THAT'S SOUTH CAROLINA.

AND IF YOU WANNA PUT IN THREE PUMPS, HEY HOW ABOUT WHAT DO YOU THINK? YEAH, THEY SHOULD BE ADDITION NOT IN THE, IN CLAY AS A REPLACEMENT.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK.

YEAH, WE DON'T EVEN CALL IT THAT.

IT'S A SMALL FED.

CUT IT DOWN.

A HUNDRED YEAR OLD HARDWOOD REPLACING ALL TREES.

NOT, WE'RE NOT TO CUT DOWN THAT HUNDRED YEAR.

WE WOULDN'T ALLOW THEM TO CUT DOWN A HUNDRED YEAR OLD FARM.

THEY'RE LEAN BEEN OTHERS.

SO THEIRS ACTUALLY CALLS OUT THERE, THERE ARE SOME KNOWN SIGNIFICANT TREES AND IN THE PD D THEY ARE PROTECTED.

SO WE MADE SURE THAT, SO LET'S, LET'S GO TO THAT TASK POINT ON PAGE EIGHT, PART SIX.

THERE WILL BE A REASONABLE EFFORT TO PRESERVE LIVE OAK.

I THOUGHT THERE WAS NO EXCEPTION TO DURING DAIRY THAT LIVE OAKS OF THE SEARCH THAT I AM, WE'RE PROTECTING THOSE NONE ARE ORGANS PER SAY.

NOW TO CLARIFY THOUGH, IS THERE CERTAIN DIAMETER BREAST HEIGHT MINIMUMS? YES.

SO I THINK THAT MAY BE THE DIFFERENTIATION.

IT'S, IT'S THE DBH AND IT'S THE, UM, THE ROOT ZONE.

ONCE IT REACHES A CERTAIN SIZE, IT BECOMES A SPECIMEN TREE AND THEN HAS TO BE PROTECTED.

BUT IF IT'S IF'S THAT SIZE, NO, THAT AIN'T UNDERST.

YEAH, BUT MINE, WE SAID THERE'S REASONABLE EFFORT TO PRESERVE LIVE OAKS.

WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THERE SHOULD BE NO EXCEPTION, NO REASONABLE EFFORT, ANY LIVE OAKS OF THE YES ERRORS.

THE INTENT IS, IS THEY DO PROPOSE TO REMOVE A PROTECTED TREAT.

IT SHOULD GO THROUGH THE BZ.

A PROCESS LIKE HAD, UH, ARBOR IS DOCUMENTATION THAT'S NECESSARY IN MY DEVELOPMENT.

THEY SAID THEY HAD TO FILL AROUND THE BASE OF TREES TO RAISE THE PROPERTY AND THAT GAVE THEM THE TREE.

YOU COULD CUT THOSE TWO SECONDS.

UH, THAT'S ONLY A SKIN IN THAT REAL, REAL SIN TO ME.

IT'S ONLY IF AN ARBORIST TELLS US THAT THAT ISN'T BACK IN KILL A TREE.

BUT THAT'S THEIR ARBORIST.

CORRECT? NO, WE WE HAVE A STATUS.

YEAH, WE HAVE MARY, TO YOUR POINT, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY IS WE NEED TO CLARIFY.

THAT'S NOT AN EXCEPTION.

THE RULE IS THE RULE.

WE MUST PROTECT THE, THE LANGUAGE, THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THERE THAT MAKES IT SO LIKE, OH, LEON, WELL WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS IN ADDITION TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE MZDO, THE APPLICANT WILL MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO PRESERVE LIVE VOTES THAT ARE NOT OTHERWISE REQUIRED TO BE PRESERVED UNDER THE STAMP.

OH, OKAY.

SO THAT'S THE, THE PINE WOLVES ARE GONNA TAKE A REASONABLE ACT.

THAT'S I THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ALRIGHT, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY.

UM, THE LOOKS STATING NEW LETTER, THEY'RE GONNA REDUCE THE DENSITY.

THE

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UH, YES SIR.

SO WE HAS FLOOR SHOP FROM 67 ORS THE SIXTH TO TWO.

THAT'S CORRECT.

WE REDUCED DENSITY BY 500 UNITS AND THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE UNIT, THE BELT MEMORY AND IN THE PDD UH, NUMBER NINE, THE 3% TO BE DEVOTED TO THE ATTAINABLE HOUSING PROGRAM.

AND I SAID THIS AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS, THAT PROGRAM, WHICH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LAID OUT WITH COUNCIL AND SEAN AND I AND HAVE GROUP TEAM AND HAVE WORKED ON THIS, I'D LIKELY GET THAT FINISHED.

THE, THE FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS HERE, LET'S GET THE DETAILS.

OUR ATTORNEYS HAVE TO WORK OUT A PROGRAM WHERE THIS, THIS MONIES CAN BE DEVOTED TO A SPECIFIC PROGRAM AND JOHN, YOU DON'T WANNA TALK OR NOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR 18 MONTHS.

LET'S GET IT DONE.

UM, THE, AND UH, JUST, I'M ALMOST THERE AND I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO PUBLISHED QUESTIONS.

UH, ONE OTHER, THE THING, AND I BROUGHT THIS UP PREVIOUS WITHOUT PUTTING ANOTHER IMPERIOUS SURFACE, PINE ART ROAD IS GETTING PLAY FOR FAIRLY REGULAR BASIS.

WE'VE ASKED OUR, OUR PUBLIC WORKS WHEN MR. BROWNS HERE BEFORE YOU, WHAT CAN BE DONE TO PREVENT THAT? REGARDLESS OF ALL THE STORMWATER THINGS IN HERE, I NEED SOME GUARANTEE THAT THE, THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE NOT GONNA WORSEN THE SITUATION OF FIRE OVER RED.

WHAT'S BEING DONE.

SO YOU SAY WORSEN, THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT PINE ARBOR ROAD IS CURRENTLY FLOODING WITHOUT ANY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE.

THAT'S EXACTLY, THAT'S IT.

SO THE CONDITIONS ARE ALREADY THERE, PRIMARILY THERE.

I DO NOT WANT TO, TO IF, IF ANYTHING ADDING THIS DEVELOPMENT, PERHAPS WE CAN PUT IT AWAY TO PREVENT IT NOW.

SO THIS, I THINK WE CAN TALK TO THAT.

WHAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IS THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE FLOODING PROBLEMS ON PI HARBOR ROAD, BUT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THEM EITHER.

AND THAT COMES INTO THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE THAT REQUIRE THEM TO CAPTURE THAT PRE AND POST DEVELOPMENT RUNOFF.

SO THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT A PLAN TO US SHOWING HOW THEY'RE GONNA USE THE LAGOON SYSTEM AND THE NATURAL DRAINAGE OF THAT AREA THAT WE WILL HAVE VERIFIED BY A THIRD PARTY INDEPENDENT ENGINEER WHO WILL ENSURE THAT THEIR CALCULATIONS ARE ACCURATE, THAT ONCE BUILT IT WILL NOT CONTRIBUTE ANY ADDITIONAL RUNOFF FROM THE PROPERTY THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW.

SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PART THAT ENSURES THAT IT DOESN'T ADD TO THE EXISTING PROBLEM, BUT IT ALSO DOESN'T HELP THE EXISTING PROBLEM EITHER.

BUT THE FACT THAT THEY'VE UPSIZED THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE MEANS THAT WHEN THE CITY OR SOME OTHER ENTITY DOES A PROJECT, WE WOULD HAVE THE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY THAT WE COULD HAVE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF THAT GOES THROUGH THAT COMMUNITY AND IT'S ALREADY ANTICIPATED TO HANDLE THAT FROM THEIR DESIGN STANDARDS.

SO ONE IS ENSURING THAT THEIR DESIGNS MEET OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS.

SO IT'S NOT GONNA CONTRIBUTE AND VERIFY THROUGH THIRD PARTY ENGINEER.

TWO THEN IS WHEN THE CITY DOES COME UP WITH ANY KIND OF PLANS TO TRY AND IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE IN THAT AREA, WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO USE THIS AS A DISCHARGE POINT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BAKED INTO THEIR PLANS.

ALRIGHT.

SO WITHOUT GETTING TOO 10 EQUAL, BECAUSE I'M NOT THAT SLOW RIGHT NOW, THE CAR TRACK IS UNOCCUPIED.

MORTGAGE IS UNOCCUPIED.

THERE IS NOTHING BETWEEN THE BRAKE SWAMP AND BY BERNARD VER.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT BY ADDING THIS WE CAN PUT IN SYSTEMS THAT THAT FREE FLOW RIGHT NOW THAT'S SET AT THE PINE HARBOR ROAD NEVER GETS TO PINE UNDER ROAD SO IT PREVENTS IT AND WAS YEAH, WELL, OH, SO I GUESS PARTICULARLY PINE ARBOR ROAD AND REALLY THE, THE WEST, A WESTERN AREA OF HARDY HILL DRAINED THROUGH THIS SOUTHERN PART OF MORTGAGE TRACK, UH, THROUGH THIS WETLAND SYSTEM DOWN HERE.

SO AS, AS FAR AS OUR DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE A CULVERT CROSSING ON THAT SPINE ROAD RIGHT THERE.

SO I THINK THAT'S THE PARTICULAR ONE THAT WE CAN, WE'VE UPSIZED IN THAT DRAINAGE STUDY TO MAKE SURE THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO HEAR.

AND THAT'S IN THE IT'S IN THE DOCKET.

YEAH,

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IT'S, IT'S THE LEDGE.

SHOULD THEY CHANGE IT? RIGHT.

NUMBER FIVE.

WHERE FOR THE SPINE ROAD A HUNDRED YEARS, 24 HOURS STILL EVENT.

THAT'S WHAT I WORRY IS THANK YOU.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION IS WE GO THROUGH YOUR, DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE FOR COMPLETION OF THE SPINE ROADS? I KNOW OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WHERE WE'VE COME UP WITH SUCH AS CAR, UH, BEFORE THEY'RE ISSUED A PERMIT.

I BELIEVE IN CAR, I BELIEVE THE 500 VOLT.

UH, I DON'T HAVE THAT EXACTLY HERE.

IT SOUNDS UH, THE SPINE MUST BE COMPLETE.

DO WE HAVE THAT IN THIS WRITTEN INVERSE ? I ADMIT I WAS JUST YES, WE DO.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE DU COUNT.

I WAS IN THERE, IT'S 3000, 5,000, 2000.

WHAT'S THREE? WE IT'S A, IT'S A HE THOUSAND.

THERE'S A TRA WE CAN WE'LL CALL IT OUT.

THERE ARE TWO, THERE ARE TWO NUMBERS IN THERE.

IT'S GONNA BE A TWO LANE ROAD FIRST AND THEN A FOUR LANE ROAD MAKEAND.

SO IF THE TWO LANE ROADS DO BE OPEN, OPEN BY THE TIME THIS, I WANNA SAY 2000 UNITS AND THEN THEY'RE FOUR LANE BY THE TOP.

WELL THERE SO AREN'T YOUR B AND C WILL BE DONE RIGHT? STILL USING THE FRONT END.

THERE ARE TRIGGERS IN OUR TRAFFIC STUDY.

LET SEE IF I CAN PULL THEM LEFT.

YOU MY, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THOSE BEFORE THE 20TH.

SO, WHICH WE CAN REVIEW.

WHAT CAN I SAY HERE? THE PRIMARY COURT IS A QUESTION WHY THEY'RE TRYING TO GET OUR TRAFFIC AS MUCH OF IT OFF OF 2 78.

THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S THE HOPE.

IT'S A, THAT'S THE REASON WE DID IT WITH THE CONTRACT.

UM, ASK YOU THE SAME THINGS EITHER AT SOUTH POINT OR MAR YOU KNOW, HOW WE ARE WITH SURE, SURE.

WE HAVE CERTAIN JAMMED ROADS NOW WE DON'T WANNA ADD MORE CONFUSION AND THEN POSSIBILITY FOR ACCIDENTS ON.

YOU KNOW IT, UH, AS IF MORGAN BUILDS AND CAR BUILDS BOAT, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, MATERIALS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT NEED TO COME IN.

I'D MUCH RATHER HAVE IT COMING IN OFF OF 46 MM-HMM THAN COMING DOWN 2 70 80 AND WE IT'S TWO.

IT'S TWO.

THAT 2002 LANE AND 5,000 FOR THE FOUR LANE.

THANKS FOR TOGETHER AND DOWN CERTIFICATE BOUGHT.

THANK.

ALRIGHT ALL.

SO I THINK WHAT UH, WILL OFTEN SERGEANT VALERIE AND MR ME TO SAY IS THAT IF WE WANT IT TO PUT RIGHT NEEDS TO DUCK BECAUSE IF WE DON'T WANNA COME AT FUTURE COUNCIL, SAY, WELL YOU KNOW WHAT I WANTED YOU TO HAVE DONE BUT UH, SOMETHING HAPPENED, WE DON'T WANT SOMETHING HAPPEN.

WE WANT IT IN WRITING.

SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT THE INTENTION OF THIS COUNCIL IS.

AND THOSE, THOSE TRIGGER POINTS ARE, ARE CRIPT I THAT ALL WE TO BE NOT LOOKED AT.

FOR THAT PROJECT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

LET'S UH, EXCUSE ME.

I HOPE YOU ALL DIDN'T ANSWER WRITING OUT QUESTIONS WHO HAS NOT HAD A QUESTION ANSWERED? ONE PERSON, ANYBODY WHO WAS NOT YOU, YOU OR YOU HAVE A QUESTION WILL GIVE YOU A CHANCE PERSON.

DAVE, YOU YOU I DON'T PAY QUESTIONS.

, UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT HERE.

GOOD.

YOU'VE COMMITTED TO UH, PAY FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE JOHN SMITH AND 2 78 INTERSECTION.

UH, CHANGES AND IMPROVEMENTS THERE.

UM, I KNOW THIS MIGHT BE KIND OF SPECULATING, BUT WE KNOW THAT JOHN SMITH BRIDGE OR I 95 IS GONNA BE RECONSTRUCTED.

I THOUGHT THEY WOULD'VE STARTED BY NOW, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER STORY.

UH, THE QUESTION IS, IS UH, HOW IS ALL THIS GOING TO TIME OUT? 'CAUSE I, JOHN SMITH IS BECOMING A MORE VITAL ROAD IN HARDY BILL THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTING, YOU KNOW, DOING THE BRIDGE ON 95 AND THEN DOING YOURS IS GONNA, CAUSE IF YOU KEEP 'EM CLOSE TOGETHER AND THEY GET IT OVER AND DONE WITH, IT'D BE FINE.

BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA STRETCH US OVER, IT'S GONNA CAUSE A LOT OF AGGRAVATION FOR PEOPLE THAT USE JOHN SMITH'S.

THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH BOTH ONE, GET THAT ONE DONE, THEN NEXT THING YOU KNOW IT'S THE OTHER THING'S BEING UH, TORN UP.

SO WHEN'S, BOB, WHAT'S YOUR TIMING FOR DOING THE UH, JOHN SMITH ROAD, UH, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS? SURE, AND I, I'LL LET YOU WANNA SPEAK.

I MEAN, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, SO WE D HORTON WENT AHEAD AND CONTRIBUTED $900,000 SO THAT WE COULD START RIGHT NOW DESIGNING THAT INTERSECTION.

SO IT COULD BE DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AS FAR AS HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE TO COMPLETE IT.

DO YOU WANT TO YEP.

SPEAK TO THAT JOSH.

SO THE BRIDGE OVER I 95, THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN FIRST.

UM, THAT IS DOT'S PROJECT.

THEY'VE BEEN IN DESIGN, THEY'VE BEEN IN PERMITTING

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THE TIMING OF IT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED IT SHOULD BE UNDERWAY BY NOW.

IT IS GOING TO GO UNDER, UNDER CONSTRUCTION THIS YEAR.

SO THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE OPENING THE BID DOCUMENTS THIS MONTH AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA SHORTLY THEREAFTER AWARD THE CONTRACT AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF BORN BARRELS STARTING TO GO UP ON 9 95.

SO BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PERMITTED AND BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN DESIGNED, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN FIRST THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INTERSECTION OF JOHN SMITH ROAD AND THEY ARE SORELY, SORELY NEEDED, BUT WE DON'T HAVE DESIGN YET AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL PERMIT.

AND SO FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT, THAT'S PROBABLY AT LEAST TWO YEARS AWAY.

BUT WE HAVE THE CHECK IN HAND ASSUMING THAT IT CLEARS, WE ARE GOING TO START THAT PROCESS AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.

BUT, BUT THAT'S A CUFFS OUT.

HE'S NOT DAVID A. GUY.

SO WE UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS BECAUSE IT'S FAILING NOW AND ADDING ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC TO IT IS JUST GOING TO EXACERBATE THAT ISSUE.

BUT IT'S LIKELY GONNA BE A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE YOU SEE THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF THAT BECAUSE OF THE TIME THAT IT TAKES TO DESIGN A PERMANENT PROJECT LIKE THAT.

I HAVE QUESTION JOSH REAL QUICK.

YOUR, UH, MAIN SPINAL WHEEL BOARD ACCESS IS Q 70.

WILL THAT EVENTUALLY BE A SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION? YES.

IS THAT BEING WORKED THROUGH WITH DOP NOW? YES.

JUST TO ADJUST JUST A FOLLOW UP ON IT, UH, EVERYBODY'S AWARE THAT, UH, WE HAVE FROM THE PENN SALES TAX THAT THERE'S A WIDENING OF 2 78 IN THAT AREA AS WELL THAT BEST BE CONSIDERED IN THAT DESIGN BECAUSE IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD TO DESIGN IT NOW AT FOUR LANES WHEN WE'RE GONNA GO TO SIX TANK.

YES, I DO.

VIA THE STRUCTURE IS PUT IN, YOU WILL CONTINUE TO SEE THAT.

WE START THIS THEN WE'LL WORK WHERE WHAT? YES, .

SEE YOUR PHONE.

YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR OUR LADIES FIRST.

THIS IS FROM PARTY BILL.

I'M SORRY, I I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SACRED PARTY BILL APPROVING ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS BEFORE THEY HAVE, BEFORE WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT PANELISTS AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA GO AHEAD AND, AND THEN MAYBE TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD THEN WE'LL GET THIS AND THEN WE'LL GET THAT.

2 78 IS ALREADY A NIGHTMARE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, ALL THE STUFF DOWN IN ARGENT, ALL THIS THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF HOMES ARE BEING BUILT WITHOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CITY OF PARTY, THOUGH WE ALL PAID VERY HIGH TAXES IN JASPER COUNTY.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW A CITY COULD ACCRUE ALL OF THIS WITHOUT THE, I MEAN ALREADY IT, YOU, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU IT IS A NIGHTMARE.

IT WILL, IT WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP.

BUT WE ALL HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WE ARE GONNA APPROVE OR POSSIBLY APPROVE THIS ON, UH, MARCH 20TH AND THE 1ST OF APRIL.

AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT $6,200.

IT'S GONNA PUT 30 YEARS BEFORE THEY COME UP.

IN THAT TIME, THE, THE ROADS ARE GONNA BE WIDENED 'CAUSE WE PASSED THE REFERENDUM.

THE $8 MILLION AT TWO 70 EIGHT'S GOING TO BE DONE.

ALL THE NEW, UH, WATER AND WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS WILL BE DONE.

IN FACT, THE FIRST ONE WILL BE DONE IN 2026.

SO THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE, ALL THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING SIMULTANEOUSLY.

THEY DON'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

JUST LIKE JOSH SAID OVER HERE, IT'S GONNA, WE'RE AT LEAST TWO YEARS AWAY TO FIXING 2 78 AND JOHN SMITH ROAD.

BUT IN THE SAME TIME, IN THOSE TWO YEARS, IT'S GONNA TAKE 'EM TWO YEARS TO GET THE FIRST PERMIT FOR FIVE B.

ALL THESE THINGS TAKE TIME.

JUST BECAUSE WE APPROVE THEM DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE TOMORROW.

SO WE AGREE WITH YOU, WE DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.

ALL THESE THINGS, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE IN PLACE.

THEY CANNOT BUILD A HOME WITHOUT A, WITHOUT A LETTER FROM B-J-W-S-A SAYING THAT THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE THE WATER AND .

SO YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DON'T WANT TO BE AHEAD OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE $79 MILLION ROAD.

IT'S GOTTA BE PUT IN IN ORDER FOR THE PEOPLE TO GET THROUGH THEIR HOMES.

WELL, THE REASON I'M EVEN MENTIONING IT IS BECAUSE I SEE ALL THE BUILDING THAT'S GONE DOWN AR AND I SEE WHAT A NIGHTMARE IS.

SO THEY BUILT THE HOS BEFORE THEY HAVE A LIGHT, YOU POUR ANYTHING AND I SEE ACCIDENTS THERE AND PEOPLE TRYING TO GET T 78 TO GO.

UH, IT IS JUST, AND SO THE HOMES WERE BUILT BEFORE

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S-C-D-O-T WILL NOT PUT A LIGHT IN UNTIL THE TRAFFIC'S THERE.

IT'S THE WAY, IT'S THE WAY IT WORKS.

THEY WILL NOT PUT A LIGHT BEFORE THERE'S ENOUGH TRAFFIC.

JUST LIKE YOUR LIGHT AT MARGARITA.

THEY WOULD NOT PUT THAT LIGHT IN UNTIL THERE WERE ENOUGH CARS USING THAT INNOCENCE.

HOW MANY CARS ARE YOU SEEING THAT INTERSECTION? WELL, BUT A AGAIN, DOT'S NOT GONNA SPEND MONEY ON A ROAD AND THEN THE HOMES NEVER GET FILLED.

AND THAT'S, THAT HAPPENED IN 2008.

WELL, SHOULDN'T THE BUILDERS BE PAYING FOR SOME OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE? THE BUILDERS ARE PAYING FOR ALL THAT CONSTRUCION.

SO WHERE I, I JUST, I GO DOWN TWO 70 EIGHT'S MORE AND MORE AND MORE AND MORE HOUSES.

I MEAN NOT 2 78 AR JUST JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.

AND I SEE WHAT A HORROR SHOW IT IS WHEN PEOPLE ARE BACKED UP TRYING TO GET OVER AND THERE'S PEOPLE TRYING TO COME OUT, PEOPLE TRYING TO GO LEFT AND YOU KNOW, BUT THE HOUSES ARE THERE NOW IT'S THERE.

AND AGAIN, THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE AGAIN, DOT THERE ARE, THERE'S A LIGHT AT 2 78, A LIGHT THAT WAS JUST PUT IN AT NEW RIVER.

THERE'S GONNA BE ALIGHTED AT, AT THE ENTRANCE OF SUN CITY AND A LIGHTED SHORTCUT ROAD.

ALL THOSE LIKES THAT ARE NOW APPROVED WELL, OR AT SUN CITY'S NOT APPROVED YET.

THEY ALL MUST HAVE THE TRAPPER BEFORE GOT WILL ALLOW A LIGHT TO GO THERE.

SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE HOMES BEFORE THE LIGHTS GO THERE.

THAT'S JUST THE WAY SOUTH CAROLINA WORKS.

SOUNDS LIKE PITTSBURGH HURRICANE SINCE 2006.

MICHIGAN CASE HE HAD.

AND, AND STEVE BRINGS UP THE DIPLOMA.

ALL, ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO DEVELOP IN OUR, IN OUR CITY, THEY HAVE, THEY THEY HAVE, THEY OWN THE LAND AND THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN CERTAIN RIGHTS IN THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD 6,700 HALTS.

IT'S JUST NO DIFFERENT.

IF YOU GO TO ATTRACTIVE LAND AND IT'S SO RESIDENTIAL, YOU WOULD'VE THE RIGHT TO BUILD A LOAN.

YEAH, THEY, IT'S THE SAME THING.

ONLY IN A BIGGER SCALE.

SO THEY HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS GIVEN TO THEM YEARS AGO, 2005, 2006.

THEY HAD THOSE RIGHTS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY IS TRYING TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE RIGHTS AWAY, LIKE 500 HOMES AND BENSON AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH AND MAKING SURE THEY BUILD THE ROADS AND BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.

AND IT'S A, IT'S A NEGOTIATION, BUT THE, THE RIGHTS TO BUILD WHEN THEY READY TO BUILD WAS GIVEN TO 'EM IN 2005.

WELL, YEAH.

THEY WOULDN'T BOUGHT THE PROPERTY WITHOUT IT.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

DOWNABLE AT 17 INCHES OF SMOKE.

IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE CERTAIN RIGHTS.

EVERY INCH OF LAND RECOMMEND MEMORIAL IS SOLVED AND THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THOSE PROPERTIES BOUGHT IT, KNOWN THAT THAT ZONING ALLOWS THEM TO DO THIS IS AMERICA'S, NOT RUSSIA THAT ALLOWS IT TO DO WHAT THEY, WHAT THE ZONING WAS GIVEN TO THEM THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD WHEN THEY ACTUALLY MADE THE PURCHASE.

WELL, MY, MY, OKAY, SO WE ZONE, THIS IS A LOT OF QUESTIONS THOUGH.

I KNOW, BUT I, WE ZONED ALL THIS PROPERTY TO BE BILLED, NOT SO ANTICIPATING THAT IF I WAS RUN LYNN BUSINESS, I WOULD BE ANTICIPATING THAT THESE HOMES ARE GOING TO GO IN THERE BECAUSE PROPERTY OWNER, THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, GAVE BETTY RIGHT TO DO IT, BUT PARTY OR ANY CITY, AND I SEE THIS IN A LOT OF CITIES, I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF PLACES AND END IN A LOT OF PLACES AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IF I WAS DOING IT, I WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THE HIP STRUCTURE IS IN THERE.

THOUGH THE HOUSES AREN'T IN THERE YET BECAUSE THEY WILL BE IN THERE.

SO TO BUILD THE HOUSES AND THEN HAVE A BIG FOREST SHOW AND YOU HAVE TO WAIT YEARS FOR POT TO APPROVE WHATEVER, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AS FAR AS THE CITY VOTE.

WHAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE TODAY.

SO MAKE SURE THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THESE HOMES GETS PUT IN.

SIR, I'M BACK TO YOUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.

UH, 10 YEARS AGO THERE WAS A 20 INCH RAINSTORM ON THE AREA.

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO, UH, YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS A 20 INCH RAINFALL.

IT WOULD FLO, SEE HOW HE YELLED HIS WAY?

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OR SORRY FRANK, WE TAKE INTO A TAIL.

YOU PUT RIGHT ABOVE AND BEYOND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT YOUR, YOUR RESIDENCES DON'T GET FLOODED.

SAID DO AT LEAST, WHICH THE CITY ALREADY HAS AN ORDINANCE WE'D BE PROUD OF.

'CAUSE NOTHING MUNICIPALITIES HAD THIS WHERE YOU HAVE THE, THE MINIMUM FEMA BASE, FLOOD ELEVATION.

THE CITY REQUIRES YOU TO BE TWO FEET ABOVE THAT.

VERY FEW HAVE THAT SUMMER, THE LAW BOARD START ABOUT THIS, THAT AT LEAST THAT'S IN PLACE NOW FOR ARCHITECTURE PRO.

IN FACT, EVEN BLOCK IN HAS ONE FIG CITY HAS TWO AND WE WERE ASKED TO REDUCE THAT A FEW YEARS AGO AND WE REFUSED IT.

UM, OKAY.

THAT SIDE OF THE OLD STUFF, NOT SURE YET.

WELL I BILL YOU CHAD'S DOING WHERE DO YOU WANT? SO SKIP FENCE AND THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE LEARNED THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

AND YOU LOST ME WHEN YOU SAID HOW MANY FEET FROM THAT 50 FOOT BUFFER TO THE BACK OF A PERSON'S HOUSE DID I HEAR? 15 FEET, 50.

THE BUMPER WAS MIGHT WAS 50.

AND THEN HOW MANY FEET TO THE B THOSE PEKINS HOUSES.

50.

IS THAT WHICH WE GOT 50 IN MARVILLE, YOU GOT 20 ON STRIPER ROAD, YOU GOT A 50 FOOT MUP OFF.

AND THEN FROM THAT BUFFER, HOW, HOW FAR DID THEIR BACK OF THEIR HOUSE IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT? IT'S A HUNDRED.

THAT'S NOT EVEN A CORN MOLD GAME MAYBE, BUT IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE, YOU LOOK AT THAT BOND BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU HADN'T BEEN IN OUR FIRST PERSON, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IN YOUR BACKYARD ARE YOU LOOKING AT YOUR BACKYARD OR NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE ANYTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SRIK ROAD HERE.

YOU KNOW, WHICH THAT'S WHY THEY TALKED ABOUT THE ACCESS ONLY BEING USED FOR A VERY LIMITED POINT AND AFTER THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY ACCESS.

I WELL, OKAY, STRIKER IN THAT SPINE ROAD.

I REMEMBER HERE IN 2027 TO BE COMPLETELY YELLED.

YOU'RE ALL SAYING IT'S GONNA BE A MINE BURIED IN TIME.

IT'S IS IN NEWS, WHATEVER.

HOW MANY HOMES ARE GOING IN THERE? WAS IT LIKE 71 H IS MILE YOU SAID 500 LESS TWO WONDER.

BUT THAT ECHOES I THAT 62 INCLUDES ALL THE WAY OVER BY JOHN SMITH ROADS ALL THE WAY THERE.

TO MAR BILL AT EIGHT COMMUNITY.

I DUNNO.

AND THOSE HOUSES ARE YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA BE MAYBE STORY BERG, THE PLANE, THE ETSY, HE'S ON .

I WOULD HIGHLY RECORD RAIN.

I WENT OUT THERE IT YOUNG SOME REASON DANCE RIGHT THERE.

I THINK YOU WILL BE YOUR, YOUR FEAR WILL WHEN YOU, I MADE A SUGGESTION THAT THEY COULD KIND OF, YOU KNOW, JUST SORT OF PUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, BUT SOMETHING TO ATTACK OLDER FOLKS, YOU KNOW, WHICH WOULD KEEP THE NOISE DOWN AND THE KIDS, I SORRY TO GO TRACK THOSE FOLKS, YOU KNOW, LIKE PUT, YOU KNOW THE YOUNGER FAMILIES, I KNOW YOU CAN'T DISCRIMINATE BUT JUST KIND, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD IS A PRODUCT ACTUALLY SAME, SAME FAMILY HOME WHO BUYS IT.

THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T SCRAP IT COULD BE, COULD BE SOMEBODY MY AGE COULD BE SOMEBODY WITH WHITE PIGS.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT BUILT RIGHT NOW.

YOU YOU BOUGHT INTO A AGE RESTRICT BUT AS CAKE SHELL, IT'S NOT A GUARD COMMITTEE THAT'S A GAY.

AND YOUR BODY, WHAT ALL THE OTHER PRODUCT YOU'RE BUILDING HOAX BUT THEY HAVE NO DISCRIMINATION.

THAT'S THE RUPA NOW THESE SPACE, YES.

UM, REALLY EQUATE.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS I'M THINKING US IS MARGARITA AN ATTRACTED DISTANCE AND THAT WE HAVE THE, THE LAKE WHERE PEOPLE CAN FISH.

WE HAVE SWIMMING BOWLS.

ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE ON, WELL BORDEN BE BUILDING ON YOUR PROPERTY.

LIKE I KNOW YOU HAVE RETENTION PONDS ARE, THERE'S GONNA DO LIGHT THAT THERE BE FISH .

ARE YOU GONNA BE PUTTING FISH TO THE RETENTION PONDS? ARE WE FILLING POOLS THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN USE? YES.

OH, GO AHEAD.

THERE'S AN EXTENSIVE UH, PLAN FOR AMENITIES.

I BELIEVE WE WILL WILL GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.

THEY ON BETTER STUFF THAN FEED DO LET GO TO THAT.

WAIT, SO WHAT WE'LL BE GOING OVER THERE UPDATE.

YEAH, THEY'LL BE CROSSING OVER THOSE.

SO, UH, US THIS MEETING IS ENDING AT CAREER POP BECAUSE THERE IS OTHER, SO I'M GONNA TAKE THE

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COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.

THEY SIT AND DRESS ONE JUST ABOUT THE CONNECTIONS OF THE COMMUNITY.

UM, WE ALL, 'CAUSE I LIVE MARRIE WILL TOO.

WE ALL LOOKED TO THAT DIORAMA THAT THEY HAD IN THE SALES OFFICE THAT SHOWED US WHERE ALL THE HOUSES AND ALL THE LOTS WERE THAT DIORAMA STOPPED RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THEIR PROPERTY.

IT DIDN'T SHOW STRIPE OR WATER, IT DIDN'T SHOW THE WAR CRAP OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.

THEY DIDN'T TELL YOU THAT, THAT THERE'D BE SOMETHING POSSIBILITY OF SOMETHING OVER HERE THAT'S SAT ON THESE FOLKS.

IT'S NOT PEARY ON THE SEAT ARE NOT LAYERING MINTO, BUT I BE SAID NEST THEIR FRUIT OF HOW IT, HOW IT SHAKES UP.

UM, I WAS CALLED BAY EIGHT SEVERAL THE LOCKS THAT LEAK THAT ARE LOCKING THE FUR WITH CONNECT, THEY'RE HAVING A CUFF TIME SELLING BECAUSE NOW SINCE THE ROADS ARE ALL COMPLETED BE, WE'VE ASKED THEIR A POTENTIAL LOCK THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.

I DIDN'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY ON MINE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL BID ON NEW YEAR'S EVE.

ALL I HAD WAS THE SALESPERSON TOOK ME OVER WHERE THE OLD PAS WERE.

BE IT, SHE POINTED, SHE SAYS YOUR HOUSE WOULD BE WAY OVER THERE SOMEPLACE.

IT WAS A, YOU HAVE A, IT WAS A CHOICE WE MADE.

COULD A CHANCE WITH IT.

UM, I I FEEL FOR FOR YOU THAT YOU KNOW IT, BUT WE CAN'T PREVENT WARED TRACK FROM BEING THE BILL.

THEY HAD THAT RIGHT FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS IN WE'RE WORKING AS A C TO MAKE IT THE BEST POSSIBLE FOR EVERYBODY, UH, INVOLVED WITH THIS AND WE'LL CONTINUE.

OKAY, SO AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS MEETING'S OVER HERE'S THREE O'CLOCK SHOW LET'S PEOPLE HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE.

YOU GOT, I'M PUTTING A PROBLEM ON EVERYBODY OR BILL, QUICK QUESTION.

UH, STRYKER ROAD, SO I GUESS IT'S PRIVATE ROAD WHO OWNS IT.

AND WHAT IS THE LONG TERM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA TRY NOT TO USE IT, BUT WILL THAT EVENTUALLY BE COVERED OVER OR VEGETATION PUT ON TOP OF IT OR ANYTHING? OR WILL IT CONTINUE TO BE A CONSTRUCTION ROAD IN BURG? SO THERE'S A 20 FOOT UH, TWO QUESTION ABOUT WHO OWNS IT RIGHT DOWN THE PROPERTY LINE.

THE PIECE ON THE WEST IS OWNED BY A B PIECE ON THE EAST SIDE IS OWNED BY BENTO COMMUNITIES.

YES, ME TOO.

UH, EVENTUALLY THE PLAN IS ONCE IN, FOR AN INITIAL PART OF THIS CONSTRUCTION WAS COMPLETE, REALLY KIND OF STOPPED USING, CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER SIDE, UH, MINTO SINCE THEY'RE NOT IN THE ROAD TODAY, I DON'T, WE SPEAK TO THEM BUT I WOULD PROJECT EITHER THE FUTURE ONCE ALL CONSTRUCTING THAT KID WE JUST COMPLETE.

AND WE'LL BE ALLOWED TO GO BACK TO NATURAL GROWTH.

LAMAR, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE MAY GIVE UTILITIES YET RUN THROUGH THERE, THERE THAT WAS A GREAT POINT.

IT WILL, THERE IS A REAL POTENTIAL, A POTENTIAL UTILITIES TO POTENTIALLY USE THAT CORRIDOR AT SOME POINT.

FUTURE DEAN MAY ONE THAT COURSE, BUT QUESTION WILL, WELL WHO AGAIN? THE ROAD IS JOINT ALL BECAUSE THE PROPERTY LINE, THE ROAD, THE, SO THE DECISIONS ARE MADE BY BOTH COMMUNITIES THEN RIGHT AS HAPPENS WITH THAT ROAD IN THE FUTURE, YOU CROSS EASEMENTS WITH ONE.

SO, UH, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR THE TRUCTURE LEASE DEPARTMENT, UH, STATION.

AND WILL IT BE A UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT STATION ALSO? YES SIR.

I CAN, I CAN DEFINITELY TELL YOU THAT THERE'LL BE A FIRE DEPARTMENT STATION.

THAT'LL THEN DICTATE THE NUMBER OF SOME STATIONS THAT WE NEED THROUGHOUT THE SIT SIR, UH, CAME BACK TO THE UH, LOT SIZES IDEA, THE 50 FOOT BUFFER AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A 50 FOOT BACKYARD.

UH, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A SEPARATE STANDALONE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE SOME OF THE TIMES WHAT WE'VE GONE IS WE'VE ADDED SPACE ONTO VIEW EXISTING FIRE STATION AND WE MAKE THAT POLICE SUBSTATION WITHIN THAT SAME BILL.

UH, WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT FROM A FIRE RESPONSE STANDPOINT, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE A CERT COVERAGE, UH, AREA A RESPONSE TIME.

AND SO NOT ONLY WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT BUT THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET, WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT TIMING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE COVERAGE TO EVERYBODY AS THESE NEW HOMES ARE BEING BUILT.

SO, UH, I WOULD TELL YOU IT'S PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE THREE TO FOUR YEAR TIMEFRAME, AGAIN, JUST THINKING ABOUT THE TIME THAT'S GONNA TAKE FOR THE PERMITTING AND THE SITE PLANS AND THE LOGGING AND THE SITE WORK AND THE CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU START SEEING THOSE ROOFTOPS COME UP.

WE'RE GONNA BE A COUPLE OF YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

THAT'S THE TIME THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT WHEN DO WE NEED TO BUILD ANOTHER FIRE STATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT SERVICE AREA COVERED.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE PROVIDE EXISTING COVERAGE FROM THE STATION THAT'S WITHIN UH YEP.

HEADLIGHTS.

AND SO THERE'S FOR ALERT LAW ENFORCEMENT, I MEAN THERE'S NO STANDALONE STATION.

DO WE KNOW THAT YOU WILL ADD OR YOU GONNA USE A PORTION OF THE FACILITIES FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT AS IN SOME STATION OR IS IT NOT BE CONSIDERED? AS I WAS SAY, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FORMALIZED YET.

AND PART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WE, WE KNOW THAT BASED UPON A NEAT STUDY THAT WE HAD DONE, WE NEED A A, A HEADQUARTERS FOR OUR PD, NOT JUST THE SATELLITE OFFICES BUT A PLACE TO BOOK.

AND SO I COULDN'T TELL YOU TODAY WHERE THAT IS GOING TO BE OR WHERE THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE.

AND SO ONCE WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO, UNDERSTAND THE RESPONSES THAT WE'LL HAVE FROM THAT, THAT SERVICE AREA.

AND

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HOW DEEP IS OUR F YARD GONNA BE? THEY 150 TO YEAH.

YEAH, THERE'S A 15 FOOT FRONT SAYS IRIS, I LIVE ON THE HAIR.

UH, MY FRONT YARD IS PROBABLY, I COULD FIT TWO CARS AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT 40 FEET AND MY BACKYARD IS REALLY DEEP.

CAN YOU MOVE THE HOUSES SO THAT THE THE THE THE THEY HAVE A BIGGER BACKYARD? YEAH, WE, WE POSITION THEM WITHIN THE SETBACKS OF THE LOT.

SO THE, THE LOT SIZES THEMSELVES WILL BE VERY SIMILAR TO HUB HUMP.

PART OF YOUR LOTS.

THEY'RE APPROXIMATELY 120 TO 150 FEET AND THEY ONLY HAVE A 50 GRIP BACKYARDS.

AND THAT'S COMPARABLE TO A MARGARITA.

SO IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR.

IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT COMPARABLE.

IT THEY TERMS THE DEPTH, BUT I KNOW BUT I'M SAYING AISH, THE POSITION, THE HOME, MY FRONT YARD IS VERY SHORT.

MY BACKYARD IS VERY LONG AND SOME OF THAT DEPENDS ON THE ACTUAL HOUSE THAT'S BUILT.

YEAH, BUILT ON THE LOT.

SO WE, WE CAN SET UP THIS TO SAY MINIMUMS TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, WITHIN CERTAIN FOOTPRINTS, BUT WHERE THE HOUSE PHYSICALLY IS WILL VARY BASED ON WHATEVER HOUSE IS ACTUALLY SOLD ON AS DEERS.

SO IT'S THE ADULT MILLS.

NOT, NOT EXCEPT SOME MAY IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BACKYARD.

SOME MAY HAVE A BACKYARD.

AUSTIN HERE IT'S THEIR ATTEMPT SETBACK.

SEE? OKAY.

WHO IS NEXT? GO.

I'M GOING ALONG THIS WAY.

ALRIGHT, I GOT A BUNCH OF QUICK QUESTIONS.

YOU SAID 6200 6700 YEARS.

WHICH ONE IS, IT IS A SIMPLE ANSWER.

IT WAS 67 IS WHAT'S ENTITLED NOW.

THEY HAVE AGREED TO REDUCE IT TO 62.

PERFECT.

THANK SIMPLE QUESTIONS.

UM, A, B, C OVER THERE THE TOP OF POWER.

I'M SORRY, THE FIRST GROUP IS YOUR BUILDING A, B, AND C.

RIGHT? YOU SHOULD SAY YOUR BUILDING EIGHT AND B THEN CI.

SO HOW EMILY, HOW HOW MANY UNITS IN THERE? 874.

OKAY, PERFECT.

FOLLOW HOW MUCH AND WHAT NOISE CARRIES OUT THERE, HOW ARE WE GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THAT? BILL IS GOING, WE JUST GOING TO HEAR IT NONSTOP OBEY IN TERMS OF THE CONSTRUCTION.

YEAH, IT, THEY'RE WORKED HOURS THAT ARE RIGHT AS ONLY ONLY SUING SINCE WE LIVE ON PAR.

ONCE YOU START BUILDING IT, WE'RE GONNA HEAR A ACTUAL BAD STOP WAIT WITHIN THE ALLOWED WORK HOURS.

RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

THERE COULD, THERE'S NOTHING WE COULD DO ABOUT THAT.

I KNOW.

WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD AND WE'RE GONNA HEAR, UM, ACCESS WERE MENTAL TO THEIR STORES UP TOP.

YOU HAD SAID I GUESS THE RED ARE THE STORES UP THERE.

SO GIMME I YOU SAY THIS YES.

AS MINTO ENDS OVER THERE, YOU RIGHT THAT THAT LITTLE CURVY THING.

WHERE DO YOU EXPECT US TO GET INTO YOU? ARE THERE GONNA BE ROADS BUILT? THAT'S WHAT I'M CONFUSED ABOUT.

SO WE DO HAVE, UM, THIS NORTHRIDGE ECT ROAD WE, SORRY, GO AHEAD.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THERE'LL, THERE'LL BE AN INTERNAL ROADWAY NETWORK, BUT THERE IS A FRONTAGE ROAD THROUGHOUT AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A SOUTH CONNECTOR ROAD.

NO, NO, YOU HAVE A I'M ALL THE WAY.

OH, I GUESS DOES IT GO, DOES IT GO EAST ACROSS? YES.

TWO MAIN WELL WAIT IS TO THE COMMERCIAL GOES TO SOUTH DOES THE SOUTH.

HAVE, IT WILL DELAY AND TRAIN THE TWO PROPERTIES AND BE ACCESSIBLE ONLY FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES.

WE DON'T CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS OLD SUT SIDE OF PROPERTY.

BUT THIS ROAD, THE ONLY YOU SAID WE'RE GONNA CONNECT THE INTO TO IT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE CONNECTED.

THEY CAN'T GO FROM THE BACK OF THE WOODS, FROM INTEL INTO YOU GUYS.

I SORRY, WE JUST BE CLEAR.

WE IT CLEAR WE THAT COME SHUT.

UH, THE IT DON'T LIKE THIS, THIS YOU CAN'T GO UP HERE.

OOPS.

LIKE THAT EVENTUALLY.

YES YOU WILL.

SORRY, I THINK YOU TALKING LINDA PERIOD.

YEAH, NO, NO, THAT RIGHT HERE, RIGHT WOODS RED.

THAT THAT THERE'S NO, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S THE TILL WE CONNECT TO SUTTON SU YOU WILL CONNECT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

SO WE NOT, WE'RE NOT FACT THIS OUT BY 40.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO CARROT'S NOT GOING BE ALL OF A SUDDEN NEVER DOES IT APPEAR SHIP WAS THAT THERE WAS A ROAD COMING SOMEWHERE WHITES FROM MIDTERM OVER INTO YOUR BATTLE.

THERE WAS AN OPENING IN THERE.

IT LOOKED LIKE THE ONLY CONNECTION HIGH END AT THIS POINT BETWEEN THE TWO OF BELL SMITH IS DOWN THERE WHERE THE FULLEST SAFETY SIDE WILL BE IN, WHICH IS IN THE INITIAL CAR TRUCK.

AND THAT SITE WILL

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OH, RIGHT.

THAT'S TRUE.

AND THE LAST QUESTION IS AS A QUESTION ON THE B LET'S SAY LIKE THE LADY ASKED FOR ABOUT PLANET IS THE FUTURE, LET'S SAY THE BUFFER, WE BUILD THESE TREES AND BUILD THE FARM AND YOU CAN KEEP COMING INTO OUR PROBLEM.

IS THERE, WILL THERE BE ANY RECOURSE TO SAY, HEY, WE WERE WRONG.

THOSE TREES AREN'T WORKING, THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN ANYWAY BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO OFFENSE.

HOW, WHAT DO WE DO? IT'S RESPECTFULLY YOU CALL POLICE.

THAT'S TRESPASSING.

CALL THE POLICE.

CALL NINE ONE ONE, SAY SOMEBODY'S TRESPASSING ON MY PROPERTY.

GIVE YOUR ADDRESS AND LET THEM COME OUT AND DEAL.

I, I THINK AN S WEEK BAY, I LIVE IN SUN SEA.

THERE ARE AREAS ALONG POPULATED AREAS THAT HAVE THE SAME KIND OF SITUATION.

YOU GO OVER BOURBON, YOU'RE IN SUN SEA, THE, THE CRIME LEVEL IN SUN CITY, IT'S LIKE THIS.

AND MOST OF THE TIME IT'S BECAUSE SOMEBODY LEFT THEIR CAR.

AND THAT DOES, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

YOU, WE, WE, WE CAN DO WHAT THE BEST PRACTICES ARE.

I I I WOULDN'T BE TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRIME FROM WHAT WILL BE A FAMILY NATIVE WAY.

I, I DON'T THINK, AND IF THERE IS SOME MINIMAL AMOUNT OF INTRUSION HE CALL POLICE AND IT WILL BE TAKEN CARE, I'M SURE TO PUT OUT NO TRESPASSING SIDES ALL ALONG THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ALONG ROAD.

THEY HAD A LOT, THEY HAVE A LOT OF SAY HERE ALSO.

SO THEY'RE EASY.

YOU WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO, TO DEFEND AND PROTECT THEIR OWN PROPERTY TOO.

THEY HAVE ONION TO SAVE.

UM, WE, WE HAD THIS MEETING PLANNED TO GO TO TWO THIRD.

UM, THERE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER PEOPLE HAD A PLAN FOR INCLUDING HER.

UH, AS STEVE SAID EARLIER, THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC CARES FROM MARCH 20TH AND WHATEVER THE FIRST THURSDAY IS IN APRIL.

ALL THESE THINGS, THE PURPOSE OF TODAY IS TO GET ALL OUR QUESTIONS OUT SO THAT WHEN IT COMES BACK ON MARCH 20TH, IT'S EITHER IE ALL THESE THINGS GET PUT RIGHT.

SOME OF THE ISSUES YOU MAY NOT BE HAPPY.