>> PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY COUNCILMAN JOHN CARROLL, PLEASE RISE.
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>> DEAR LORD, AS WE COME TO YOU TODAY, WE ONCE AGAIN WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR MANY BLESSINGS.
NOW, LORD AS WE CONDUCT THE BUSINESS FOR THE CITIZENS OF HARDEEVILLE AND JASPER COUNTY, WE ASK THAT YOU GUIDE US AND DIRECT US THAT WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN FOR THE CITIZENS.
ALL THESE THINGS WE ASK IN YOUR MOST PRECIOUS NAME. AMEN.
>> PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR OUR SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR ALL THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO SERVE AROUND THE WORLD, PROTECTING OUR WAY OF LIFE. THANK YOU.
THIS IS THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND PUBLIC HEARING, 205 MAIN STREET, HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, FEBRUARY 20TH, 2025 AT 5:00 PM.
WE FIRST HAVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO TODAY'S AGENDA?
>> MAKE THE MOTION WE APPROVE TODAY'S AGENDA.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ALTHOUGH MRS. CASTLE PROBABLY KNOWS HIM BY HEART.
YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. IF YOU GET OUT OF LINE, WE'LL. [LAUGHTER]
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL, AND CITY STAFF, CAROLYN CASTLE, RIVERTON POINT.
I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF INTRODUCING MY VERY NEWEST FRIEND, PAM LIN, WHO HAS JUST RELOCATED HERE TO THE LOWCOUNTRY FROM NORTHERN VIRGINIA, WHERE SHE WORKED WITH MY STEPDAUGHTER.
THAT'S HOW WE GOT INTRODUCED TO EACH OTHER.
MY STEPDAUGHTER'S NAME IS LISA SLOAN.
SHE'S THE NEW SALES REPRESENTATIVE AND HER GROUP FROM RYAN HOMES AT ROYAL OAKS, AND SHE WILL BE INTRODUCING HERSELF AND HER TEAM.
>> THANKS SO MUCH FOR HAVING US, WE'RE SUPER EXCITED TO BE HERE.
I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO SCOTT.
THERE ARE THREE OF US THAT YOU WILL SEE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY ON A DAILY BASIS.
SCOTT, DANNY, AND AGAIN, I'M PAM.
>> HI, I'M SCOTT. MY TEAMMATES, PAM AND PENNY.
FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH US, WE'RE A TOP 5 HOMEBUILDER IN THE COUNTRY WITH OVER 75 YEARS OF WELCOMING TENS OF THOUSANDS HAPPY HOMEOWNERS.
THIS IS A NEW EMERGING MARKET FOR US, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO FUTURE GROWTH HERE AND BEYOND.
ON THAT NOTE, WE ARE SUPER EXCITED TO BE HERE, PARTNERING WITH THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, TO LAUNCH OUR VERY FIRST COMMUNITY, ROYAL OAKS VILLAS, JUST UP THE STREET.
>> ROYAL OAKS IS A CHARMING, TREE-LINED COMMUNITY LOCATED JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HARDEEVILLE REC CENTER.
WE WILL BE FEATURING MAINTENANCE-INCLUDED VILLA-STYLE HOMES WITH AMENITIES THAT INCLUDE A POOL, COMMUNITY CLUBHOUSE, AND FIREPIT.
>> WE WILL BE FEATURING OUR BETHANY FLOOR PLAN.
IT'S A SEMI-ATTACHED PRODUCT THAT'LL BOAST 2,000-PLUS SQUARE FEET.
OUR HOMES WILL FEATURE OPEN LAYOUTS WITH AN ENTERTAINER'S DREAM, WITH FLEXIBLE LIVING SPACES THROUGHOUT, VAULTED CEILINGS, UPGRADED FINISHES, AND A FIRST-FLOOR PRIMARY SUITE.
IN ADDITION, UPSTAIRS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO GENEROUSLY-SIZED BEDROOMS, A LOFT AREA WITH LOTS OF STORAGE.
I'M FINDING WITH NO BASEMENTS HERE THAT WE NEED EXTRA STORAGE AND A SECOND GUEST BATH.
I'M GOING TO LEAVE SOME PAMPHLETS, I ASKED CAROLYN IF IT WAS OKAY.
ON THE SIDE HERE, IT HAS A QR CODE TO GIVE YOU SOME LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. THANKS, AGAIN, FOR HAVING US.
>> THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. WELCOME TO HARDEEVILLE.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VERY NICE OF YOU.
>> DO I HAVE TO PUT THIS ON MY REPORT?
>> I DON'T KNOW [INAUDIBLE] HOW MUCH IS IT [INAUDIBLE] FILE MY REPORT.
>> THANK YOU. NEXT, WE GO ON TO PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS, AND THIS IS OUR ANNUAL HEARTBEAT OF HARDEEVILLE PROCLAMATION AND AWARD.
WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF HAVING MRS. CASTLE ONCE AGAIN,
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AND MS. LYN BOYLES. WHO ELSE?>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL, AND STAFF.
CAROLYN CASTLE, RIVERTON POINT.
I HAVE THE HONOR TONIGHT OF PRESENTING THE 2025 HEARTBEAT OF HARDEEVILLE AWARD.
THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF HARDEEVILLE, VOLUNTEERS HAVE DONATED COUNTLESS HOURS TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN HARDEEVILLE.
THE SUCCESS OF ANY COMMUNITY IS BUILT UPON THE EFFORTS OF INDIVIDUALS AND ENTITIES COMMITTED TO SERVING THE COMMUNITY WITH THE DESIRE TO MAKE HARDEEVILLE A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE, WORK, PLAY, AND WORSHIP.
THERE WERE FIVE APPLICANTS THIS YEAR THAT WERE REVIEWED BY THE SELECTION COMMITTEE.
THAT IS A TRUE TESTAMENT OF HOW MANY WONDERFUL AND DEDICATED VOLUNTEERS WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE.
TONIGHT, THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE HAS THE HONOR OF NAMING THE 2025 HEARTBEAT OF HARDEEVILLE RECIPIENT.
THIS GENTLEMAN IS NO STRANGER TO JASPER COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE.
HE WAS HONORED IN APRIL BY THE JASPER COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WITH THE ZENIE INGRAM COMMUNITY SERVICE AWARD.
HE ALSO HAD EARTH DAY 2024 DEDICATED TO HIM BY PROCLAMATION OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE ON APRIL 22ND, 2024.
THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE'S HEARTBEAT OF HARDEEVILLE AWARD FOR 2025 GOES TO MR. P. J. NAPPI.
[APPLAUSE] MR. NAPPI WAS INTRODUCED TO MS. LYN BOYLES, THE DIRECTOR OF KEEP JASPER COUNTY BEAUTIFUL AND ADOPT A HIGHWAY PROGRAM IN NOVEMBER OF 2021.
HE VOLUNTEERED TO SINGLE HANDEDLY TAKE OWNERSHIP FOR LITTER PICK-UP ON JOHN SMITH ROAD AND HAS BEEN DOING THIS TASK WEEKLY FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS.
HE HAS COLLECTED OVER 24,500 POUNDS OR 12 TONS OF LITTER AND DEBRIS OFF OF JOHN SMITH ROAD DURING THOSE FOUR YEARS, WHICH INCLUDES TIRES, APPLIANCES, AND MATTRESSES.
LISTEN, I WAS ASTONISHED AT THAT NUMBER, AND I QUESTIONED LYN AND SHE CONFIRMED.
THAT IS 980 BAGS OF TRASH AT APPROXIMATELY 25 POUNDS PER BAG OVER THE FOUR YEARS.
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
A FORD F-150 WEIGHS 4,000 POUNDS, SO HE PICKED UP FOUR OR FIVE F-150 TRUCKS OUT THERE ON JOHN SMITH ROAD.
MR. NAPPI IS A DEDICATED, CONCERNED, AND FAITHFUL COMMUNITY LEADER, NOT ONLY FOR LITTER PREVENTION, BUT ALSO IN OUR COMMUNITY BY LEADING BY EXAMPLE TO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL, CLEAN, GREEN, AND SAFE ENVIRONMENT.
HE REPORTS ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON TO MS. LYN, HIS WEEKLY PICKUP AND LETS THEM KNOW HOW MUCH HE ENJOYS HELPING THE PROGRAM AND HELPING THE COUNTY TO BECOME "LITTER-FREE IN THE 843".
THAT'S OUR AREA CODE. THAT WAS QUOTED IN THE BLUFFTON TODAY IN MAY.
HE ENCOURAGES EVERYONE TO GET INVOLVED WITH KEEP JASPER COUNTY BEAUTIFUL AND ADOPT A HIGHWAY PROGRAM.
HERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN THIS YEAR.
MAYOR WILLIAMS ACCEPTED THE ZENIE INGRAM AWARD FOR HIM AT THE JASPER COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, JASPER ON THE MOVE IN APRIL.
SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR RECOGNITION THAT MR. NAPPI WILL HAVE, HE WILL BE RECOGNIZED PUBLICLY TONIGHT AT THE MEETING, HE WILL RECEIVE A PLAQUE THAT THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL WILL AWARD TO HIM IN JUST A MOMENT, HE WILL HAVE HIS NAME PLACED ON A PERPETUAL AWARD PLAQUE MAINTAINED AT CITY HALL TO REFLECT THE CURRENT AND PAST WINNERS.
THE MEDIA WILL PREPARE A PRESS RELEASE, AND WILL INTRODUCE HIM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND SOCIAL MEDIA.
I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT JUST TO THANK THE SELECTION COMMITTEE THIS YEAR.
PEG HARVEY WAS THE CHAIR FROM LATITUDE MARGARITAVILLE, CINDY WILLIAMS FROM THE HOLIDAY AND EXPRESS, MYSELF AND STEVE MERSMAN FROM LATITUDE MARGARITAVILLE, AND, OF COURSE, OUR GRACIOUS CITY CLERK, CINDY OLIVER, WHO TOOK CARE OF ORDERING ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEEDED FOR TONIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF I COULD HAVE THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL COME DOWN FOR SOME PICTURES AND PRESENTATION OF THE AWARD TO MR. NAPPI.
MR. NAPPI, IF YOU'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOUR FAMILY, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
>> WHY DON'T I? FIRST, I HAVE TO READ THE PROCLAMATION AND HAVE IT ENDORSED BY THE COUNCIL, AND I'LL PRESENT THAT AS WELL.
CITY OF HARDEEVILLE COUNCIL PROCLAMATION.
WHEREAS P. J. NAPPI IS AN ESTABLISHED RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE AND A CONSCIENTIOUS INDIVIDUAL; WHEREAS P. J. NAPPI HAS BEEN A VOLUNTEER WITH KEEP JASPER COUNTY BEAUTIFUL FOR FOUR YEARS.
P. J. NAPPI WAS ONE OF THE FIRST TO VOLUNTEER FOR THE ADOPT A HIGHWAY PROGRAM IN WHICH HE ADOPTED JOHN SMITH ROAD IN HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA.
WHEREAS P. J. NAPPI, OF HIS OWN RECOGNITION AND HIS OWN INITIATIVE, BEGAN THE SOLITARY QUEST TO SOLVE THE LITTER TRASH PROBLEM WITH WEEKLY COLLECTIONS;
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WHEREAS P. J. NAPPI PARTICIPATES IN EACH EARTH DAY CLEANUP IN COORDINATION WITH KEEP JASPER COUNTY BEAUTIFUL; WHEREAS P. J. NAPPI'S EFFORTS HAS CHANGED THE ENVIRONMENTAL LITTER INDEX FROM THREE, THE WORST IS FOUR, TO CLOSE TO ONE.NOW, BE IT THEREFORE PROCLAIMED BY THE HARDEEVILLE CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR HARRY WILLIAMS THAT P. J. NAPPI IS A RECIPIENT OF THE 2025 HEARTBEAT OF HARDEEVILLE AWARD FOR HIS INVOLVEMENT IN PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT AND HIS DEDICATION TO THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE AND COMMUNITY, PROCLAIMED THIS 20TH DAY OF FEBRUARY 2025.
I WOULD LIKE A MOTION FROM COUNSEL TO ENDORSE THIS PROCLAMATION.
>> MR. MAYOR, I WOULD BE HONORED TO MAKE A MOTION TO ENDORSE THE PROCLAMATION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
WHY DON'T YOU GIVE THE PLAQUE TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM AND I'LL HAVE THE PROCLAMATION.
YOU DON'T NEED A PICTURE OF US [INAUDIBLE].
[BACKGROUND] THERE'S ENOUGH PICTURES OF US, NOT P. J.
[LAUGHTER] THIS IS YOUR PROCLAMATION, ARE WE IN THE RIGHT SPOT [INAUDIBLE] OR DO YOU WANT US TO COME FORWARD?
>> YOU JUST STARTED THIS, YOU KNOW THAT? [LAUGHTER] YOU GOT ME INVOLVED.
>> YOU'LL JUST LOOK OVER HERE FOR ME.
>> COME ON P. J., COME ON IN, LET'S GET US ALL TOGETHER.
>> MS. GUZMAN, CAN YOU MOVE OVER HERE?
>> THANK YOU. ON THE COUNT OF THREE, 01, 2, 3.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. [APPLAUSE] [BACKGROUND]
I SEE YOU OUT THERE ALL THE TIME.
>> I KNOW YOU DO. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT A PICTURE WITH YOUR FAMILY, P. J?
>> DO YOU WANT A PICTURE WITH YOUR FAMILY?
>> IT'S ALL RIGHT. IT'S MY SISTER. [LAUGHTER]
>> P. J., OUR MEETINGS ARE RIVETING, I KNOW, BUT DON'T FEEL OBLIGATED TO STAY THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.
>> THANK YOU, LYN. THAT'S OUR OWN MS. GREEN OVER THERE.
YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE NEXT ONE.
NEXT, WE HAVE THE 10TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE GENERAL FEDERATION OF WOMEN'S CLUBS, THE GFWC, WOMEN'S LEAGUE OF THE LOW COUNTRY PROCLAMATION.
MAYOR PRO TEM MS. GUZMAN WILL READ THE PROCLAMATION.
DO WE HAVE [INAUDIBLE] HERE? COME ON, UP HERE, ANNE.
I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MS. ANNE REDLASS WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE.
I'M THE FOUNDER OF THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> OH, YOU'RE JUST FOUNDER. YOU GOT RID OF ONE OF THE TITLES?
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>> OKAY. WELL, WE'LL READ THE PROCLAMATION, AND I'LL HAVE THE COUNCIL ENDORSE IT.
>> CITY OF HARDEEVILLE COUNCIL PROCLAMATION.
WHEREAS THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL IN HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA WISHES TO RECOGNIZE THE GENERAL FEDERATION OF WOMEN'S CLUBS, WOMEN'S LEAGUE OF THE LOWCOUNTRY ON THE OCCASION OF THE 10TH ANNIVERSARY OF THEIR CHARTERING ON THE 19TH DAY OF MARCH 2025; AND WHEREAS THE LEAGUE WAS CHARTERED AS A PER CAPITA DUES PAYING CLUB WITH THE GFWC AND INTERNATIONAL FEDERATION OF WOMEN'S CLUBS WITH MORE THAN 60,000 MEMBERS THAT IS DEDICATED TO COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT BY ENHANCING THE LIVES OF OTHERS THROUGH VOLUNTEER SERVICE WAS FOUNDED IN 1890, AS WELL AS GFWC, SOUTH CAROLINA, FOUNDED IN 1894; AND WHEREAS, SINCE THE CLUB'S FOUNDING MEMBERS HAVE SOUGHT TO IDENTIFY NEEDS IN BOTH BEAUFORT AND JASPER COUNTIES BY DONATING PINK BAGS OF HOPE FOR BREAST CANCER PATIENTS, FOOD DONATIONS TO BLUFFTON SELF HELP, MERCY MISSION, AND AGAPE FAMILY LIFE CENTER, WORKING WITH THE RIDGELAND BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, SETTING UP THREE MR. PIGS BOOK NOOKS IN THE AREA, TUTORING IN LOCAL SCHOOLS, SETTING UP PINWHEEL GARDENS FOR AWARENESS OF CHILD ABUSE, HONORING WOMEN'S VETERANS, MAKING COMFORT BEARS FOR LOCAL EMTS AND POLICE TO NAME A FEW; AND WHEREAS THE CLUB REACHES BEYOND THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES BY MAKING ITEMS FOR OPERATION SMILE, SUPPORTING THOSE TO FREEDOM FOR THOSE BEING SAVED FROM HUMAN TRAFFICKING, HELPING TO LAUNCH PROJECT LIFESAVER IN JASPER COUNTY, RAISING PUPPIES FOR K9 COMPANIONS FOR INDEPENDENCE; AND WHEREAS THE CLUB HAS FUNDRAISERS SUCH AS GAME DAYS, RED DRESS, FASHION SHOWS, SERVING IN JANUARY, FORGET ME NOT LUNCHEON, AND ST. JUDE'S WALKS, WHICH BENEFITED ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS HOPEFUL HORIZONS, THE AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION, STAYING CONNECTED, MEMORY MATTERS, TUNNELS TO TOWERS, AND ST. JUDE.
BE IT RESOLVED ON THIS DAY, FEBRUARY 20TH, 2025, THE MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL OF HARDEEVILLE, COUNTY OF JASPER, STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA, DO HEREBY REAFFIRM THEIR SUPPORT AND CONGRATULATE THE MEMBERS OF THE GFWC WOMEN'S LEAGUE OF THE LOWCOUNTRY ON THE OCCASION OF THEIR 10TH ANNIVERSARY AND WISH THEM CONTINUED SUCCESS.
>> DOES THE COUNCIL ENDORSE SAID PROCLAMATION?
>> I SECOND. THE PROCLAMATION?
>> NO, YOU'VE GOT TO ASK FOR A VOTE.
>> THE AYES HAVE IT. [LAUGHTER] SORRY, I BUTCHERED THAT.
>> YOU DID WONDERFUL. ANN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GRAB A PHOTO OF THE COUNCIL?
>> YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR. [LAUGHTER]
>> [INAUDIBLE] HERE'S YOUR PROCLAMATION.
BEST WISHES TO THE CLUB AND OF COURSE TO THE FOUNDER.
>> EVERYONE ON THE COUNT OF THREE, 01, 2, 3.
>> NO, YOU TAKE IT. THANK YOU.
>> [APPLAUSE] YOU'RE WELCOME. CITY, PLEASE GO RIGHT AHEAD.
>> WELL, IT IS EXCITING THAT 10 YEARS, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S GONE BY THAT FAST.
A LOT OF OUR MEMBERS ARE IN SUN CITY, BUT WE HAVE MEMBERS OUTSIDE OF SUN CITY ALSO.
WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING JUST TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, ONE PROJECT AT A TIME.
YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE HAD A VARIETY OF PROJECTS OVER THESE 10 YEARS, AND HOPEFULLY, THE CLUB WILL GO ON AND ON.
WE HAVE 61 MEMBERS RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE GROWING.
WE HAD OUR MEETING TODAY, AND IT WAS JUST SO EXCITING TO HEAR THE WOMEN SAY, WE WISH WE KNEW ABOUT THIS CLUB, WE WOULD HAVE JOINED SOONER.
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IT'S A GREAT TESTAMENT TO THE WORK OF THE GENERAL FEDERATION OF WOMEN'S CLUBS.IN FACT, THIS MONTH, I HAVE BEEN IN THIS ORGANIZATION 50 YEARS. I WAS A BABY.
>> CONGRATULATIONS ANN, GIVE OUR BEST TO THE CLUB.
>> DO WE HAVE TO COME DOWN ANYMORE? [LAUGHTER] NEXT, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY AMY COLIN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WITH SECOND HELPINGS, WHO A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO I HAD THE GREAT PLEASURE TO MEET, AND I INVITED HER TO COME TODAY AND TELL THE COUNCIL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SECOND HELPINGS. WELCOME.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WAS WONDERING IF I WOULD ALSO BE GETTING A PICTURE AT THE END.
BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE NO, BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID. [LAUGHTER]
>> MAYBE AFTER I GET A PROCLAMATION.
AS THE MAYOR SAID, MY NAME IS AMY COLIN.
I AM THE NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR SECOND HELPINGS, AND I AM GRATEFUL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY JUST TO SHARE MORE ABOUT WHAT SECOND HELPINGS IS DOING IN OUR COMMUNITY HERE AND WHAT WE DO AS A WHOLE.
SECOND HELPINGS IS A FOOD RESCUE DISTRIBUTION ORGANIZATION.
WE ARE THE ONLY AUTHORIZED FOOD RESCUE COMPANY ON PROFIT HERE IN JASPER, HAMPTON, AND BEAUFORT COUNTIES.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS, WE PICK UP FOOD.
WE DELIVER IT TO AGENCIES FOR FREE, EVERY DAY.
MANY PEOPLE HAVE SEEN OUR TRUCKS ON THE ROAD IS WHAT I'VE LEARNED IN MY FOUR MONTHS.
NOT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE OUT HERE DOING.
WE ARE FIGHTING FOOD WASTE AND HUNGER.
THAT IS THE BASIC PREMISE OF WHAT WE DO EVERY SINGLE DAY.
OVER 100 OF THEM COME FROM THE JASPER COUNTY AREA.
FEEDING AMERICA TELLS US THAT ONE IN EIGHT PEOPLE IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND ONE IN SIX CHILDREN EXPERIENCE HUNGER.
WE ARE FIGHTING PEOPLE WHO ARE FOOD INSECURE.
FOOD INSECURITY IS DEFINED AS PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE CONSISTENT ACCESS TO NUTRITIOUS FULL MEALS THAT THEY NEED IN ORDER TO LEAD A HEALTHY LIFE.
YOUR FAMILIES WHO ARE WORKING IN OUR AREA, WHAT I HAVE FOUND IS THAT PEOPLE SHOULDN'T SACRIFICE MEDICATION, A SAFE PLACE TO LIVE, A PLACE TO SLEEP AT NIGHT.
BUT THE THING THAT THEY END UP CUTTING BACK ON IS FOOD, AND SO PEOPLE ARE HUNGRY.
THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS, WE HAVE BECOME A WASTEFUL SOCIETY, UNFORTUNATELY.
TWENTY FOUR PERCENT OF WHAT'S IN OUR LANDFILLS IS FOOD.
A HUNDRED TWENTY BILLION POUNDS OF FOOD PRODUCED ANNUALLY GOES INTO WASTE.
I KNOW THAT ALL OF US ARE AWARE OF THE EXCESS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR SOCIETY TODAY.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT DOESN'T GO TO THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT.
THAT'S WHERE WE COME IN. THERE'S MANY FACES OF POVERTY IN THE SOUTH CAROLINA LOWCOUNTRY.
THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SHOWING UP EVERY DAY WHO ARE WORKING LONG HOURS, SOMETIMES MULTIPLE JOBS.
AGAIN, THE THING THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH OF IS SUPPLEMENTAL FOOD.
EVERY DAY, SIX DAYS A WEEK, WE HAVE NINE TRUCKS THAT RUN IN THE THREE COUNTIES.
WE PICK IT UP FROM 45 DIFFERENT GROCERY STORES AND RESTAURANTS.
ALSO, WE ACQUIRE FUNDING TO PROVIDE NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENTAL FOOD.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE FOOD THAT WE ARE RESCUING IS OFTEN HIGH IN CARBOHYDRATES.
THEY ARE NOT DIABETIC FRIENDLY NUTRITIONAL FOODS SO WE HAVE BEGUN PURCHASING ADDITIONAL PRODUCE AND PROTEINS TO GET INTO OUR COMMUNITIES TO PROVIDE HEALTHY MEALS.
WE DELIVER IT THE SAME DAY. THINK ABOUT THAT.
THE FOOD THAT WE'RE PICKING UP IN THE MORNING IS OFTEN ON PEOPLE'S PLATES BY THE END OF THE DAY, TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT 13,000 PEOPLE WHO WE'RE REACHING CURRENTLY EVERY WEEK.
WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR 33 YEARS.
WE DID START ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
THE ORIGINAL INTENTION WAS TO TAKE EXCESS FROM RESTAURANTS AND BE ABLE TO DISTRIBUTE IT TO PEOPLE WHO NEEDED IT.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO DISTRIBUTE ENOUGH FOOD.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO BEING ABLE TO BRING FOOD TO A SAFE TEMPERATURE.
WE ARE PICKING UP PRODUCE PROTEINS, THINGS THAT ARE SHELF STABLE PANTRY ITEMS,
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AND WE'VE DISTRIBUTED OVER 54 MILLION POUNDS OF FOOD IN THOSE 33 YEARS.OUR TRUCKS. TRUCKS ARE A BIG PART OF MY BUSINESS.
IN 2024, WE DROVE OVER 91,000 MILES TO RESCUE FOOD.
JASPER COUNTY ARE OUR LONGEST DISTANCES WHENEVER WE ARE BRINGING FOOD OUT.
WE HAVE TRUCKS THAT COME FROM HILTON HEAD AND BEAUFORT TO ADDITIONALLY BRING FOOD TO JASPER COUNTY BECAUSE WE CAN'T RESCUE ENOUGH IN BLUFFTON AND BEAUFORT.
WE HAVE SOME OTHER AREAS THAT WE'RE BRINGING FOOD FROM.
LAST YEAR ALONE, WE DISTRIBUTED 3.3 MILLION POUNDS OF FOOD, WHICH IS 2.8 MILLION MEALS.
PUT A DOLLAR ON IT, 5.6 MILLION POUNDS OF FOOD WERE RESCUED AND DISTRIBUTED BY SECOND HELPINGS.
SECOND HELPINGS IS ALSO PROUD TO SAY THAT BECAUSE WE ARE VOLUNTEER LED, AND WE HAVE SUCH A SMALL STAFF, THAT ALMOST 96 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR THAT IS GIVEN TO US, WE ARE ABLE TO DONATE BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY.
THIS SLIDE WAS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO COME OUT.
THIS IS A POST-VACATION SLIDE.
IT'S NOT VERY APPLICABLE RIGHT NOW.
ONE OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE IN THE SUMMERTIME IS ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
WE HAVE A LOT OF TOURISTS OBVIOUSLY THAT COME TO OUR AREA, AND THEY ARE ABLE TO DONATE THEIR LEFTOVER FOOD SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DISTRIBUTE IT TO PEOPLE.
THEN WE HAVE THE FILL THE NEED PROGRAM.
AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMUTERS WHO RIDE THE PALMETTO BREEZE, AND SOME PEOPLE TRAVEL AS FAR AS TWO HOURS TO GO TO WORK ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
THE PALMETTO BREEZE BUS STATION GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY EVERY THURSDAY.
OUR COMMUTERS ARE ABLE TO COME AND THEY STOP, AND WE GIVE THEM FOOD TO TAKE HOME BECAUSE A LOT OF TIME PEOPLE IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE AGENCIES THAT WE ARE SERVING.
IN HARDEEVILLE, MERCY MISSION, AGAPE, HEALING WATERS, GLORIOUS CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST.
I KNOW FOR ME, WHENEVER I PULL UP TO MERCY MISSION, AND SISTER FRAN IS THERE, AND SHE HAS A LINE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WAITING, THEY'RE WAITING FOR FOOD FROM US.
WE PROVIDE ANYWHERE FROM 60%-100% OF THE FOOD THAT THEY ARE DISTRIBUTING.
SISTER FRAN AND I HAVE TO TALK A LOT ABOUT, SHE HAS VOLUNTEERS WHO COME, AND WE HAVE VOLUNTEERS, AND SOMETIMES IT'S THE SAME VOLUNTEERS, BUT THEY ARE RELIANT ON THE FOOD THAT WE ARE BRINGING THEM IN ORDER TO FEED PEOPLE.
LET'S SKIP THAT SLIDE. AGAIN, I THINK I HAVE THE WRONG SLIDE DECK SO JUST WORK WITH ME HERE.
THESE ARE SOME AWARDS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.
THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH SISTER MARY FRAN.
I KNOW THAT AS I HAVE MET THE AGENCIES IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS SINCE I STARTED WORKING HERE, THEY ARE SO GRATEFUL FOR THE EXPERIENCE THAT SECOND HELPINGS PROVIDES FOR THEM.
I HAD SOMEBODY FROM THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB SHARE WITH ME YESTERDAY THAT THEY HAVE FAMILIES WHO CALL DURING THE DAY AND ASK IF SECOND HELPINGS HAS DELIVERED FOOD BECAUSE THEIR FAMILIES ARE ABLE TO PICK UP FOOD WHEN THEY PICK UP THEIR CHILDREN.
WE'RE MEETING THEM WHERE THEY ARE SO THAT THEY HAVE FOOD IN THE EVENINGS.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THAT, WE ARE A NONPROFIT SERVING OTHER NON PROFITS WHO ARE FEEDING MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MORE VOLUNTEERS, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE 468.
IT DOES TAKE A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS TO RUN OUR TRUCKS AND OUR EVENTS.
WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OBVIOUSLY OPPORTUNITIES FOR DONATIONS, OR IF THERE'S PLACES WHERE I CAN WORK WITH COMMUNITY AWARENESS SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT SECOND HELPINGS IS DOING, IT HELPS DRIVE FOOD FOR US.
I THINK PEOPLE UNDERESTIMATE THE IMPACT OF A FOOD DRIVE.
WHEN YOU GO TO A FOOD PANTRY IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER, THEY ARE VERY FULL.
IF YOU GO TO A FOOD PANTRY IN MARCH AND MAY, YOU COULD THROW A FOOTBALL THROUGH THERE AND NOT HIT ANYTHING.
WHEN THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A FOOD DRIVE, THAT IS AN EXCELLENT WAY TO SUPPORT NOT JUST US, BUT YOUR COMMUNITY.
THIS IS OUR WEBSITE INFORMATION.
I'VE GIVEN THE CITY COUNCIL A COPY OF OUR 2024, JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR IMPACT REPORT.
IT HAS OUR CONTACT INFORMATION ON IT.
BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU WHENEVER YOU ARE IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW OF AN OPPORTUNITY, IF YOU'VE IDENTIFIED A NEED.
WE ARE AWARE THAT THERE IS A LARGE GAP IN THE JASPER, BEAUFORT COUNTY LINE THERE WHERE SUN CITY MEETS OKATIE BECAUSE SENIOR CITIZENS, UNFORTUNATELY, ARE INCREASINGLY A HIGH NUMBER FOR OUR FOOD INSECURE.
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THEY'RE ON FIXED INCOMES.NOBODY CAN KEEP UP WITH INFLATION.
THEY HAVE NOT PLANNED FOR THE COST OF LIVING.
WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING FOR AN AGENCY.
WE HAVE MULTIPLE AGENCIES IN HARDEEVILLE.
WE HAVE AGENCIES IN BLUFFTON, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE IN OKATIE.
UP THERE BY PUBLIX IS WHAT I'M THINKING.
OVER HERE IN HARDEEVILLE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY.
THE MAYOR AND I WERE BRAINSTORMING SOME PLACES WHERE WE CAN GET IN TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE CAN BRING A MOBILE FOOD PANTRY AND GET MORE FOOD INTO THIS AREA.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU, MISS. COLIN. JUST FOR EVERYONE WHO'S WATCHING AND FOR THE COUNCIL.
SECOND HELPINGS IS LOOKING FOR AN OKATIE LOCATION.
IF ANYBODY, WHETHER IT BE A CHURCH, AN ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HELPING, WE'LL PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD, AND WE CAN REACH OUT TO YOU.
>> THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SERVE MORE PEOPLE IN THIS AREA.
>> ON THAT NOTE, JUST ABOUT RIGHT NOW, TIME IS EVERYTHING, THE LOWCOUNTRY FOOD PANTRY LED BY THE LOWCOUNTRY COMMUNITY CHURCH IS OUT BACK.
RIGHT NOW, THEY STARTED AT 5:30, AND THEY ARE DISTRIBUTING FOOD FOR THE THIRD TIME SINCE NOVEMBER TO OUR RESIDENTS HERE IN HARDEEVILLE.
I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THEM AND THANK THEM FOR ONCE AGAIN COMING AND HELPING OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
NEXT, WE HAVE THE RECOGNITION FROM THE CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY.
CORPORAL JOEY GINN, PLEASE JOIN US.
> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COUNCIL, ADMINISTRATOR.
>> LAST YEAR, HARDEEVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS ABLE TO HOST IT FIRST ANNUAL CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY.
THAT ACADEMY CONSISTED OF EIGHT WEEKS OF VERY STRENUOUS, WASN'T IT?
>> I JUST GAVE UP MY [INAUDIBLE].
>> [LAUGHTER] VERY STRENUOUS. IT WAS A FUN TIME.
THEY WERE ALLOWED THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT EACH INDIVIDUAL GROUP WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT, EVERY WEEK.
AFTER THE EIGHT WEEKS WAS OVER, WE HAD A GRADUATION CEREMONY, AND EITHER BEFORE THIS GRADUATION OR AFTER GRADUATION, THE ATTENDEES OF THE ACADEMY WERE ABLE TO UTILIZE A TRAINING SIMULATOR, AND THEY ALSO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A RIDE ALONG WITH AN OFFICER.
I THINK IT WAS VERY EYE OPENING FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.
I LEARNED JUST AS MUCH FROM THEM AS THEY DID FROM US, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO DOING IT AGAIN THIS YEAR.
MR. NED OWENS IS GOING TO SAY A FEW WORDS, AND I'LL SAY A FEW MORE BEFORE WE CLOSE. I APPRECIATE IT.
>> NED OWENS, SUN CITY HARDEEVILLE SIDE.
A FEW YEARS AGO, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH OUR MAYOR AND I ASKED IF THEY HAD A COMMUNITY PROGRAM IN HARDEEVILLE AND WE DIDN'T.
WITH NOTHING ELSE TO DO, I JOINED THE BLUFFTON POLICE COMMUNITY PROGRAM AND WENT THROUGH THAT.
SUBSEQUENTLY AFTER THAT, I WENT THROUGH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT FOR BEAUFORT BECAUSE I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS.
THEN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, IT APPEARED THAT THE HARDEEVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD ADDED THIS PROGRAM.
I SAT THERE AND I THOUGHT, WELL, WHAT AM I GOING TO LEARN THAT'S ANY DIFFERENT? I'VE BEEN TO TWO OF THEM, TWO DIFFERENT TYPE.
WHY SHOULD I GO TO ONE MORE? I GOT THINKING ABOUT IT. THIS IS A COMMUNITY I LIVE IN.
SMALLER POLICE FORCE, 56.7 SQUARE MILES TO PATROL WITH VERY FEW PEOPLE TO DO IT.
I THOUGHT, WELL, THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD REASON TO GO OUT AND FIND OUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
HOW DID THEY MANAGE IT? HOW DO THEY MANAGE THE GROWTH OF ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING AREAS IN THE STATE AND IN THE COUNTRY? WITH THE LIMITED BUDGET, THE LIMITED NUMBER OF PEOPLE, THEY DO IT.
FORTUNATELY, I DID ATTEND, AND THANKFULLY FOR CHIEF WOODWARD, WHO ALLOWED THE PROGRAM TO EXIST.
THEN WITH CORPORAL GINN AND SERGEANT BROWN, ALONG WITH JUDGE NANCY.
IT WAS A GREAT PROGRAM, AND I ACTUALLY LEARNED MORE THINGS THAT I DIDN'T KNOW FROM THE OTHER TWO.
I CHALLENGE EACH OF YOU TO MAYBE DROP IN ONE NIGHT TO ONE OF THE PROGRAMS TO SEE WHAT IT IS.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, ALSO TO HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE ATTENDING WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE FOR THE FUTURE OF STARSHIP PARTY BILL.
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I DID DO A RIDE ALONG 9 1/2 HOURS ON A FRIDAY NIGHT FROM 7:30-4:30 IN THE MORNING.SURPRISED MYSELF I COULD STILL STAY UP THAT LATE [LAUGHTER] WITH PATROLMAN RAMOS, AND I LEARNED AN AWFUL LOT ABOUT WHY I'M GLAD I'M NOT THEM.
BECAUSE NIGHT TIME'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BEAST OUT THERE, AND WHEN YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING WHEN YOU PULL UP.
IT WAS A GREAT LEARNING EXPERIENCE.
REALLY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT MORE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY SHOULD EXPERIENCE, BECAUSE IT ISN'T WHAT WE SEE ON TV.
>> THAT SPLIT SECOND DECISION, AND LOOK, HARRY, YOU AND I ARE OLD ENOUGH FROM GENE AUTRY AND ROY ROGERS COULD SHOOT THE GUN OUT OF SOMEBODY'S HAND, BUT THAT'S NOT REAL AND THESE OFFICERS HAVE TO MAKE A LIFE DECISION IN A SPLIT SECOND.
THAT SIMULATOR HELPS YOU REALIZE THAT.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO AT LEAST DROP IN.
REMEMBER, I THINK IT'S LESS THAN THREE PEOPLE AT ONE TIME OR YOU BREAK THE LAW.
I ALSO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW THAT ARE IN THE COMMUNITY TO GET INVOLVED IN IT.
IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM. THEY'VE DONE A EXCELLENT JOB WITH ALMOST A NONEXISTENT BUDGET.
I HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GIVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MORE MONEY NEXT YEAR TO INCREASE THIS BUDGET.
I GOT TO GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD.
>> SHOULD BE TELLING ME WE'RE GOING TO RAISE THIS TAXES JUST THIS?
>> HI, DON CASTLE, AND I WAS ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE FIRST GRADUATING CLASS.
AGAIN, I WANT TO REALLY THANK THE CHIEF OFFICER JOVE, DOWNTOWN AND ALL THE OFFICERS AND EM FOLKS THAT PARTICIPATED AND TAUGHT US A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER PROGRAM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
I WOULD DEFINITELY TELL PEOPLE OUT THERE, IF YOU WANT TO LEARN THE INS AND OUTS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE EM FOLKS, IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.
GET INVOLVED. YOU'LL GET A BETTER AND A NEW APPRECIATION OF WHAT THESE PEOPLE DO AND PUT THEIRSELF ON THE LINE, PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE, AND THE EFFORT THAT THEY DO EVERY DAY TO PROTECT ALL OF US IN THIS COMMUNITY.
>> REAL QUICKLY, OUR SECOND CLASS IS STARTING.
IT'S STARTING ON MARCH 18TH, GRADUATION ON MAY 13TH, THAT CAN BE ACCESSED THROUGH THE CITY'S FACEBOOK PAGE, WEBSITE, OUR CONTACTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE HOPE TO HAVE A BIG CROWD. WE ALREADY HAVE 20 PEOPLE SIGNED UP.
>> WHAT'S YOUR CAPACITY? ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A MAXIMUM NUMBER?
>> I'D LOVE TO HAVE 30. WE SHOULD GET THIS TO EVERYBODY SO WE CAN SHARE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND FACEBOOK PAGE.
>> IT'S FILLING UP FAST SO HURRY UP.
>> THIS IS ON THE POLICE FACEBOOK PAGE?
>> THAT IS ON THE CITY'S FACEBOOK.
>> GOOD JOB. NEXT, WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION, APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 6TH, 2025, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE DISAPPROVAL, MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 6TH.
>> MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THE MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 6TH.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THIS IS A FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE MUNICIPAL ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, MZDO, SECTION 8.23.C.2 TO ALLOW DIGITAL BILLBOARDS.
THIS IS 2025-01-16A, AND THIS WAS TABLED, WAS IT LAST MONTH TO TODAY? MR. GRUBER, PLEASE.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. AS YOU INDICATED, THIS ITEM ORIGINALLY APPEARED BEFORE THE COUNCIL LAST MONTH, IT WAS TABLED WITH AN UNDERSTANDING THAT IN THE INTERVENING TIME, STAFF WOULD WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, GRACE OUTDOOR ADVERTISING TO LOOK AT STANDARDS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE ADOPTED DIGITAL BILLBOARDS AND TO ESSENTIALLY WORK WITH THEM TO DEVELOP
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SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE COULD BRING BACK TO YOU FOR REVIEW.THAT ANALYSIS IS STILL ONGOING.
AT THIS TIME, IF COUNCIL IS WILLING, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM FURTHER UNTIL THE APRIL 3RD, 2025 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
>> LET'S HEAR COMMENTS AND OPINIONS FROM COUNCIL, MR. CARROLL.
>> NO, SIR. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
IF JOSH SAYS, WE NEED TO MOVE IT UNTIL APRIL 3RD.
>> I LET STAFF DO THEIR JOB AND BRING IT BACK TO US. I AGREE.
>> I THINK WE NEED TO LET THEM FINISH THEIR RESEARCH, AND WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO IT ON APRIL 3RD.
DOES THE COMMUNITY, ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC, HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER? SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ORDINANCE 2025-01-16A.
>> IT'S WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO DO.
IF IT'S TABLE, IT HAS TO BE DATE SPECIFIC.
>> MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE ORDINANCE 2025-01-16A UNTIL THE APRIL 3RD CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC.
SEEING NONE? CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.
>> NEXT, WE HAVE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SECOND AMENDMENT 2 AND PARTIAL RESTATEMENT OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE AND SLF3 OWNER OF THE LAND WITHIN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE RIVERPORT TRACT.
THIS IS 2025-01-16C, MR. GRUBER, PLEASE.
>> YES, SIR. THIS IS THE LAST ITEM THAT IS APPEARING BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL RELATED TO THE EXIT THREE PROJECT.
FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT, THE CITY HAS RECEIVED ADDITIONAL GRANT FUNDING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH JASPER COUNTY AND THE SOUTH CAROLINA TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE BANK.
THOSE TERMS, THE DATES OF THE AGREEMENTS AND SOME OTHER HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS ARE REALLY ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S BEING AMENDED BY THIS UPDATED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
OTHERWISE, EVERYTHING ELSE AS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL REMAINS.
>> THANK YOU. LET'S START COUNCIL QUESTIONING WITH MR. MEERSMAN, PLEASE.
>> GREAT. JOSH, JUST ONE QUESTION.
WASN'T THE BIDS DUE IN THIS MONTH.
>> WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE OPEN SOMETIME IN MARCH.
THAT HAS SLIPPED A LITTLE BIT.
>> ORIGINALLY, IT WAS FEBRUARY.
NOW WE'RE BEING TOLD MARCH, BUT THEY'VE BEEN VERY CONSISTENT IN TERMS OF REINFORCING THAT MARCH DATE.
>> WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, THAT IS THE SCDOT HAS PUT THE BID DOCUMENTS OUT FOR THE WIDENING OF I95 TO INCLUDE THE CONSTRUCTION OF EXIT THREE.
I NOW LIKE TO ASK THE PUBLIC, ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC, LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OR MAKE A COMMENT? SEEING NONE. I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ORDINANCE 2025-01-16C.
>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2025-01-16C.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL? SEEING NONE? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
NEXT, WE HAVE A SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, TO AMEND THE ZONING FOR A PORTION OF PARCEL 041-07-04-001, CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 8.9 ACRES COMBINED FROM
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CONSERVATION PRESERVATION DISTRICT TO MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE.MR. GRUBER, THIS IS ALSO ATTACHED TO OR RELATED TO ITEM NUMBER D AS WELL.
DO YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE BOTH OF THOSE, PLEASE?
>> YES SIR, ITEMS C AND D UNDER OLD BUSINESS ARE BOTH RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN AFFORDABLE OR ATTAINABLE HOUSING COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH A PRIVATE DEVELOPER.
THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTING LAND THAT'S ITEM C. THEY'RE ALSO OBTAINING SOME ADDITIONAL LAND THAT WAS PART OF A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, THAT IS ITEM D. BOTH OF THOSE ARE BEING PURSUED TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ATTAINABLE HOUSING SUBDIVISION THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE PROJECTS.
>> THANK YOU. LET'S OPEN UP, COUNCIL QUESTIONING AND THIS WE'VE DISCUSSED SEVERAL TIMES, BUT MR. CARROLL, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
>> I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN ANSWERED.
>> I THINK MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS WHAT WE NEED.
I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT PROJECT.
>> SEVERAL OF US HAVE SEEN A PROJECT THAT THIS COMPANY HAS DONE IN BLUFFTON, AND IT'S A VERY WELL DONE PROJECT AND VERY WELL MANAGED AND MAINTAINED.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THE SAME PRODUCT HERE IN HARDEEVILLE.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS ITEM C OR D. WE WILL VOTE ON THEM SEPARATELY IN A SEPARATE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT THEY ARE BOTH RELATED. YES, MA'AM.
>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> LISA THOMPSON, 93 PARK AVENUE IN HARDEEVILLE.
I THINK I AGREE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS GREAT.
WE REALLY NEED IT. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE THIS IS LOCATED.
>> THIS IS LOCATED DOWNTOWN OVER HERE.
>> DOWN THE STREET HERE BY I95 IN THE WHAT'S KNOWN AS CARM ACRES. NO FAR FROM HERE.
>> WHAT THE PRICE RANGE OF THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING?
>> THESE ARE GEARED TO 40-80% OF AMI.
THEY'RE MANAGED BY A COMPANY AND THEY APPLY FOR WHAT'S KNOWN AS LOW INCOME TAX CREDITS.
THEY'RE RENTED AND RULED BY THE RULES GOVERNING THAT TYPE OF PRODUCT.
DID I SAY THAT RIGHT, JOHNSON.
IT'S GEARED TOWARDS THOSE FOLKS WHO CAN TRY AND TO KEEP THEIR HOUSING COSTS BELOW THEIR AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME.
THAT'S WHY THEY GET TAX CREDITS FROM THE STATE, AND THEY TRY TO MANAGE IT.
THESE ARE AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE BASED ON THEIR INCOME.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME. GOOD QUESTION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ORDINANCE 2025-02-06B.
>> I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT 2025-02-06B.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE, CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.
>> NEXT, THIS IS, AGAIN, THE OTHER PIECE, WHICH IS ANOTHER 2.79 ACRES THAT WILL BE ATTACHED TO THIS, AND IT'LL ALL BECOME ONE DISTRICT.
THIS IS ALSO SECOND READING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, 2025-02-06C.
MR. GRUBER, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ONE?
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>> THEN, MR. MEERSMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
>> ENOUGH SAID. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT OR ASK THE QUESTION? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.
THIS IS SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE 2025-02-06C.
>> MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION, WE APPROVE 2025 02 06C.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE, CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.
>> NOW WE GO ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
THIS IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE ASSESSMENT ROLE, INCLUDING THE RATE AND METHOD OF APPORTIONMENT OF ASSESSMENT.
THE REPORT ON REASONABLE BASIS OF THE ASSESSMENTS, REPEALING RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024-6-6C, AND OTHER MATTERS RELATING THERE TOO.
THIS IS RESOLUTION ONE VOTE, 2025-02-20A.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS A RATHER TECHNICAL DOCUMENT, BUT TO TRY TO SUMMARIZE IT FOR YOU AND THE PUBLIC, ESSENTIALLY, WHAT THIS IS DOING AS PART OF THE EXIT 3 DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING OUT A LOAN FROM THE SOUTH CAROLINA TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE BANK.
IN ORDER TO REPAY THAT LOAN, WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN ASSESS PROPERTIES THAT ARE BENEFITED BY THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS DOCUMENT ESSENTIALLY CREATES THE ASSESSMENT ROLE AND HOW THOSE ASSESSMENTS WOULD BE COLLECTED TO REPAY THE LOAN THAT'S GOING TO BE USED TO CONSTRUCT THE EXIT 3 INTERCHANGE.
>> JOSH, JUST, FOR CLARIFICATION, WHAT THIS DOES, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS MANY TIMES WITH THE COUNCIL, THIS GIVES A BACKSTOP A GUARANTEE FOR THE CITY THAT BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN THE NEW TAX REVENUE COMES IN AROUND THE EXIT BECAUSE IT TAKES TIME TO GET BUILT.
IF THAT INCOME GETS DELAYED, THESE PROPERTIES ARE ASSESSED.
>> IT WILL ENSURE THAT THE CITY WILL NOT HAVE TO COME OUT OF POCKET FOR PURPOSES OF REPAYING THE LOAN.
>> THANK YOU. LET'S START WITH MR. MEERSMAN.
>> NO, SIR. I THINK STAFF HAS TAKEN THIS TO THE LEVEL OF WORDS TODAY.
>> NO QUESTIONS. I THINK IT HAS BEEN COMPLETELY TOPPED OUT, AND SO I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
>> I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
I CAN'T WAIT TILL EXIT 3 IS FINISHED.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE PUBLIC TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.
THIS IS RESOLUTION 2025-02-20A.
>> MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE 2025-02-20A.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL OR THE PUBLIC.
SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.
NEXT, WE HAVE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AMENDMENT SUBMITTAL FOR PARCELS.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF PARCELS TO BE KNOWN AS HILTON HEAD LAKES, WEST, A PORTION OF THE WEST ARGENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THIS IS ORDINANCE 2025-02-20B.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. ITEMS B AND C UNDER NEW BUSINESS THIS EVENING ARE BOTH RELATED TO THE CREATION OF A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND A NEW DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH REGARDS TO THE WESTERN DEVELOPMENT OF HILTON HEAD LAKES.
THIS IS A MATTER THAT COUNCIL HAS HAD A COUPLE OF SEPARATE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS ON, BUT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO START THIS EVENING WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND A LITTLE BIT OF UPDATE ABOUT WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN TO TODAY.
I WOULD ASK MISS BRANA SNOWDEN, OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR TO PLEASE COVER THAT INFORMATION.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL.
>> HAPPY TO BE HERE TO GO OVER THIS AGAIN
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WITH A LOT OF WORK AND CHANGES THAT HAVE GONE INTO IT.HISTORY, AS MR. GRUBER MENTIONED, WE WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THIS LAND WAS A PORTION OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR ARGENT WEST.
IN SEPTEMBER 18, 2024, WE WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION WITH A VERSION.
IT WAS TABLED PENDING A PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING THAT HAPPENED IN OCTOBER, ON THE 10TH.
BASED ON THE NUMBER OF COMMENTS AND EVERYTHING, THE APPLICANT DID WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION AT THAT TIME, TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS AND CAME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION ON DECEMBER THE FOURTH WITH A REVISED PLAN.
EXCUSE ME. CAME BACK GOING TO A JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION COUNCIL WORKSHOP IN DECEMBER READY FOR THE JANUARY 8 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THOSE ISSUES WERE ACCESSED, MEANING ROAD A OPTIONS AND LAKESIDE BOULEVARD CONSTRUCTION AND THE FINAL MAINTENANCE AND VERSION OF IT, AS WELL AS BUFFERS AND SOME OTHER CONCERNS.
JANUARY 8, PLANNING COMMISSION, PLANING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THE DEVELOPER LOOK AT SAFETY POINTS AND SAFETY ISSUES AS THE DEVELOPMENT PROGRESSES.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE CERTAINLY TIED INTO ANYTHING WE WERE DOING THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, INCLUDING FOR STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING AND IMPS AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
ACCESS TO THE RED DAM TRAFFIC CIRCLE BE CLOSED UNTIL THE RED DAM IMPROVEMENTS ARE COMPLETE.
THAT'S THE HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT.
WE'VE HAD MANY MEETINGS, MANY DISCUSSIONS, AND FEEL LIKE THAT AT THIS POINT, IT IS READY FOR TO BE MOVED FORWARD TO FIRST READING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THE OVERVIEW, THE PD CONSISTS OF ALMOST 3,400 ACRES, PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL USES WITH OPEN SPACE, PUBLIC SAFETY SITE, AND 785 PLUS ACRES OF CONSERVATION EASEMENT, A MAXIMUM OF 4356 DWELLING UNITS, WHICH INCLUDED UP TO 750 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
IT DOES REQUIRES A 30% MINIMUM OPEN SPACE FOR EACH MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL, AS WELL AS 10% OF THAT BEING ACTIVE OPEN SPACE.
THIS IS THE OVERVIEW OF THE CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN.
WE CAN CERTAINLY TRYING TO DO THE POINTER, BUT I'M LEARNING THIS PROCESS AS WE GO.
WE'LL GET BACK TO THAT. THAT IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE THE ROAD NETWORK AND THE LAND USES.
IT IS THE AREA MAINLY THAT IS IN THE PALE YELLOW COLOR UP THERE.
AS WELL AS THE ROD EXHIBITS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AT PUBLIC MEETINGS AND WITH THE PUBLIC AND OTHERS AS WELL.
HAVING SAID THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
NATHAN. NATHAN LONG WITH THOMASON HUTTON IS GOING TO BE SPEAKING, AND YOU'VE GOT SOME EXHIBITS ON THERE AS WELL. WE'LL TRY TO HELP.
>> HOW DO I MAKE THAT ONE JUST BIG?
>> SHOULD BE THE PDF. COME DOWN TO SLIDE. WHICH ONE WAS IT?
>> ADOBE. JUST GO DOWN TO THE ADOBE.
>> I'M SORRY. WHAT DID YOU SAY, KATIE I COULDN'T HEAR YOU.
>> I'M TRYING TO JUST GO TO THE OTHER EXHIBIT THERE.
>> THEN YOU CAN SWITCH BETWEEN THEM USING THE LASER UP TOP OR THAT KNOWS.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR WILLIAMS, MEMBER OF COUNCIL AND STAFF.
MY NAME IS NATHAN LONG THOMAS AND HUTTON, HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
I'VE GOT BRIAN AND DOUG HERE WITH LK DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
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AS BRANDON MENTIONED, WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING BACK IN OCTOBER.AT THAT TIME, THE ALIGNMENT OF ROAD A WAS THE FOUR LANE BOULEVARD.
THAT WENT THROUGH SOME OF ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS PROPERTIES.
WE HEARD THE PUBLIC LOUD AND CLEAR, AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL AT THAT MEETING THAT WE NEEDED TO REVISE ROAD A TO NOT HAVE ANY CONDEMNATION.
WE WORKED WITH OUR TRAFFIC TEAM, WORKED WITH THE CITY, CAME UP WITH THE REVISED ALTERNATIVE.
THIS IS WHAT I'M SHOWING TO YOU HERE TODAY.
THE FIRST IS A ROUNDABOUT HERE.
RIGHT HERE, AS YOU COME OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S A VERY SHARP CURVE HERE, THIS LOCATION IN RED DAM.
THIS PROVIDES PRE FLOWING ACCESS IN ALL DIRECTIONS.
ALSO GETS TRAFFIC CAN GO TWO DIFFERENT WAYS DOWN RED DAM, BACK TO MEDICAL CENTER TO TWO FUTURE TRAFFIC LIGHTS, ONE AT THE FUTURE ROUNDABOUT THAT THE DOT IS DOING ON MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE AND THEN ONE BACK TO JOHN SMITH ROAD.
THE SECOND PART OF THE IMPROVEMENT IS THE REALIGNMENT OF RED DAM ROAD AND BRICKYARD ROAD INTERSECTION.
CURRENTLY, THAT'S A SKEWED INTERSECTION WHERE IT'S LIKE A 45 DEGREE ANGLE THERE. IT'S NOT VERY SAFE.
WHAT WE PLAN TO DO IS REALIGN THAT ROAD TO MAKE IT MORE OF A 90 DEGREE INTERSECTION, AS WELL AS ADDING SOME TURN LANES TO HELP FLOW.
THIRD PART OF THE IMPROVEMENT IS A OVERLAY OF SOME OF THE EXISTING PORTIONS OF RED DAM ROAD, HEADING TO THE WEST OVER TO MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE, AS WELL AS HEADING DOWN TO RED DAM CHURCH ROAD.
THEN, FROM THAT POINT, THE DOT HAD DONE A OVERLAY, NOT TOO LONG AGO DOWN TO THE INTERSECTION AT NUMBER 2.
WHEN WE HAD OUR SECOND MEETING ENDS DECEMBER, THAT WAS THE JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL MEETING.
OVERALL, THE NEW PLAN WAS RECEIVED FAIRLY WELL BY THE PUBLIC.
EVERYONE WAS HAPPY THERE WAS NOT CONDEMNATION INVOLVED.
WE'RE UTILIZING A LOT OF THE EXISTING ROADS.
WE DID HAVE SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED AT THAT TIME.
I DID WANT TO GO OVER THOSE WITH YOU TODAY AND LET YOU KNOW HOW WE'RE PLANNING TO ADDRESS THOSE.
ONE OF THE FIRST ONES WAS THAT A LOT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE IN JASPER COUNTY.
AS YOU COME OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, THAT WAS THE OTHER EXHIBIT, AND I'LL TRY NOT TO SWITCH BACK JUST TO SAVE US SOME TIME THERE.
BUT THERE IS PROPERTY IN JASPER COUNTY BEYOND BELOW THE YELLOW BEFORE YOU GET BACK INTO THE AREA NEAR NUMBER 2 IN UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY.
WE DID REACH OUT TO ANDY FULT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
HE WAS AT THE FIRST PUBLIC MEETING.
WE SHARED THE NEW PLAN WITH HIM.
WE DID ACTUALLY SEND HIM DIGITAL COPIES AS WELL TO SUBMIT TO HIS PLANNING COMMISSION COUNCIL MEMBERS.
TO DATE, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY FEEDBACK THERE, BUT WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED THERE.
WE ALSO HEARD THAT RED DAM ROAD IS TOO NARROW.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH JULIE FLEMING AND JOSH JOHNSON WITH THE DOT.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY REVIEWING OUR TRAFFIC STUDY.
WE ANTICIPATE WHAT WE'LL BE DOING IS ADDING SOME PAVED SHOULDERS IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE ROAD WHERE IT'S TOO NARROW.
DRAINAGE WAS ANOTHER CONCERN AS WE MET WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS.
THEY SHOWED US PICTURES ON THEIR PHONES, SOME AREAS THAT HAD FLOODED DURING HURRICANE HALEN.
AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AS WELL, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE DOT, AND AS WE DO SURVEY, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT ANY DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAY BE NEEDED ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
ONE MORE CONCERN WE KIND OF HEARD WAS USING THE FRONTAGE ROAD TO THE WEST, WHICH IS OVER IN THIS AREA.
I HAVE ANOTHER PLAN, TOO THAT I WON'T SWITCH TO RIGHT NOW, BUT IT SHOWS RIGHT HERE THAT FINO HOMES, THERE'S A COMMUNITY CALLED TOWN PARK THAT THEY'RE PLANNING THERE.
THERE'S ALSO A SCHOOL PLAN JUST TO THE WEST OF THAT THAT HAS A LIFE CENTER AND A 200 STUDENT SCHOOL THERE.
THAT PROPERTY IS REALLY UNAVAILABLE.
WE ALSO HEARD THAT THERE WAS A DRIVEWAY TOO CLOSE TO THE ROUNDABOUT.
>> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION.
>> YES, SIR. WELL, THERE'S TWO PARCELS THAT WERE OF CONCERN.
I PROBABLY SHOULD SWITCH TO THAT OTHER EXHIBIT. THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT.
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ONE OF THEM IS RIGHT HERE AND THAT PROPERTY WITH A YELLOW DOT ON IT.THE ACCESS IS LITERALLY DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE SCHOOL.
JOSH MET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, MISS NANCY HARPER AND WITH HER NEPHEW, MICHAEL.
AS I MENTIONED, THE DRIVEWAY IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE INBOUND ACCESS TO THE SCHOOL.
THEY DISCUSSED DIFFERENT WAYS TO HELP MITIGATE THAT.
ONE THING WAS TALKING ABOUT ADDING SOME TREES AND SOME BUFFER THERE IS A LITTLE BIT BEYOND JUST IN OUR OVERLAY SECTION, YOU CAN SEE THERE, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM AS WELL AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THAT ONE IS MORE OF IMMEDIATE CONCERN WITH THE EXISTING ACCESS THERE.
ONCE THIS IS APPROVED AS A CONCEPT, THE PLAN THERE IS TO REACH OUT TO THAT HOMEOWNER AND DISCUSS AMICABLE SOLUTION TO THAT ONE.
COULD INCLUDE PROPERTY PURCHASE OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
>> ANOTHER CONCERN WAS THE BLIND CURVE THAT YOU HAVE HERE ON RED DAM ROAD.
THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE WE FEEL LIKE IS GOING TO REALLY HELP WITH THAT SOLUTION PROVIDING SAFE INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THE SCHOOL FROM OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL AS FROM OTHER RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY COMING FROM THE SOUTH.
JOHN SMITH ROAD HAS BEEN A CONCERN OF THE CITY AND RESIDENTS FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
LK DEVELOPMENT WAS INITIALLY PLANNING TO PARTICIPATE IN THEIR FUNDING WITH THAT MOU AT THAT INTERSECTION.
IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MORGAN TRACT DEVELOPERS HAVE REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY WHERE THAT FUNDING WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF.
LAKESIDE BOULEVARD TRAFFIC THAT WAS ASK HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT TRAFFIC ON LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.
THIS SECONDARY ACCESS WILL OBVIOUSLY HELP ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC ON LAKESIDE BOULEVARD BECAUSE YOU'RE GIVING RESIDENTS ANOTHER WAY TO GET OUT OF THE COMMUNITY.
THEN THE LAST CONCERN WE HEARD WAS A SIDEWALK TO THE SCHOOL.
WE ARE PLANNING A 10 FOOT SIDEWALK THAT COMES OUT OF THIS COMMUNITY HERE, AND WE'LL COME OVER TO THE SCHOOL.
WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT, AND THIS WILL BE PART OF OUR DISCUSSIONS TO SEE HOW WE CAN SAFELY GET IT TO HERE, BUT WE DID NOT WANT TO ROUTE THE PEDESTRIANS AND THE KIDS DOWN TOWARD THE ROUNDABOUT.
THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS TO CUT DIRECTLY INTO THE SCHOOL PROPERTY, BUT WE WILL NEED PERMISSION FROM THEM TO DO THAT.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO BRING UP BRIAN KERNAN JUST TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE PROJECT FUNDING IN RELATION TO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES THAT WILL BE GENERATED BY THE DEVELOPMENT.
>> MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL, BRIAN KERNAN, LK DEVELOPMENT.
I'M JUST GOING TO FOCUS ON ONE PORTION.
I ASSUME YOU GUYS HAVE GOT ALL THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
THERE'S ONE THAT WE LEFT OUT THAT IS PART OF THE ORIGINAL CURRENT DA THAT DEALS WITH EXTERNAL ROAD FUNDS.
THERE WAS TWO PROJECTS IDENTIFIED, WHICH WOULD THE WIDENING OF 278 AND ROAD A THAT WILL BE FUNDED BY RESIDENTS AND DEVELOPER FEES COLLECTED.
WE PROPOSE THAT AT NO COST TO THE CITY, THAT 50% OF THOSE EXTERNAL FEES AS WE TAKE ON THE OBLIGATION TO DESIGN AND BUILD AND CONSTRUCT THESE ITEMS NOW THAT THOSE FUNDS WHEN THEY BECOME AVAILABLE, 50% OF THEM WOULD BE REIMBURSABLE TO COVER THESE COSTS.
SOME INFORMATION THERE IS THAT THERE ARE ROUGHLY GOING TO BE $18 MILLION JUST GENERATED FOR EXTERNAL FEES JUST FROM THE LK DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL PORTION.
WE PROJECT THAT WITH A COMBINATION OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL FOR THIS AREA, WHICH WOULD BE THE GOLF COMMUNITY, MAGNOLIA WALK, POD J, AND JEFF COGGINS PROPERTY, THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EXCESS OF $26.2 MILLION DOLLAR GENERATED JUST FOR EXTERNAL ROAD FEES.
WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS THAT ROUGHLY OUR PROJECTED COSTS FOR EVERYTHING YOU SEE HERE, WHICH IS THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, THE ROADWAY EXTENSION, THE OVERLAY, AND THE INTERSECTION AS IT IMPROVES THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE RED DAM AREA, IT'S GOING TO BE ROUGHLY AROUND $11.9-12 MILLION.
WE FEEL THAT WITH THE 50% OF THE EXTERNAL ROAD FEES THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO GET THAT PAID FOR AND THAT THE CITY WOULD STILL HAVE EXCESS OF ALMOST $14 MILLION THEY COULD USE TOWARDS WHAT WAS
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A PART OF THE ORIGINAL DA PROJECT WOULD BE FOR 278 OR ANY OTHER FUND OR ANY OTHER PROJECTS THE CITY WOULD WANT TO APPLY THOSE TO [NOISE] SO IN SIMPLE MATH, WE WOULD LIKE AT LEAST 50% OF THOSE EXTERNAL FEES.>> AT THIS TIME, BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO ASK JOSH TO COME IN HERE.
IN THE INTEREST OF FULL DISCLOSURE, AS I ALWAYS DO, I SAT IN ON A MEETING THAT JOSH HAD WITH THE LK GROUP YESTERDAY AND THE ENGINEERS DISCUSSING THIS.
AFTER THAT, THE COUNCIL RECEIVED A REVISED DA.
I HAVE THE BENEFIT OF BEING IN THAT MEETING YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, BUT THE COUNCIL DOESN'T.
I JUST WANT TO BE ON THE RECORD THAT THE COUNCIL CAN OPT AT ANY TIME WHEN WE DON'T GET INFORMATION FAR ENOUGH IN ADVANCE TO OBSERVE AND STUDY THAT THE PROJECTS CAN BE PUT OFF.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT AND SOME SEVERAL COUNCIL PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED TO ME THAT GETTING NEW DOCUMENTS OF MULTIPLE PAGES 8:00 BEFORE THE MEETING THE NIGHT BEFORE.
WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO STUDY FURTHER IF THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO.
BUT ON THAT NOTE, I THINK, MR. GRUBER, WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN TO THE COUNCIL THAT MEETING YOU HAD YESTERDAY WITH LK?
>> YES, SIR. SO WE MET YESTERDAY WITH BRIAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM PRIMARILY TO DISCUSS THEIR REQUEST TO ALLOW FOR 50% OF THE EXTERNAL ROAD FEES TO BE USED TO OFFSET THE EXPENSES THAT THEY WOULD INCUR IN BUILDING THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT RED DAM AND BRICK YARD, AND THEN THE OVERLAY OF PORTIONS OF RED DAM ROAD ITSELF.
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AND I GUESS, STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS IN TERMS OF ENSURING THAT WHATEVER RECOMMENDATIONS WE BRING FORWARD TO YOU ARE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EQUALLY AND CONSISTENTLY APPLY TO ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
AND SO, HISTORICALLY, MOST OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE INCLUDED BOTH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL ROAD FEES.
THE THOUGHT BEING THAT THE INTERNAL ROAD FEES WOULD COVER THE ACTUAL INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIRED WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF AND THE EXTERNAL ROAD FEES WOULD BE USED TO OFFSET IMPACTS TO TRANSPORTATION OR OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE PHYSICALLY OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT A REIMBURSEMENT OR A CREDIT SHOULD BE GIVEN.
AGAIN, IN TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WE CAN APPLY CONSISTENTLY, THE BEST THING THAT I'VE COME UP WITH TO THIS POINT IS TO LOOK AT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND TO TRY TO DETERMINE, ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS NECESSARY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY ITSELF, OR DO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS PROVIDE A GREATER PUBLIC BENEFIT TO THE HARDEEVILLE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.
IN APPLYING THAT ANALYSIS, I THINK THAT SOME PORTIONS OF WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DO WOULD BE ELIGIBLE OR COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR REIMBURSEMENT.
IN THIS SCENARIO, PARTICULARLY THE INTERCHANGE IMPROVEMENTS AT RED DAM ROAD AND BRICKYARD.
PRIMARILY, I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT A DEFICIENT INTERSECTION, BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN OPTIMAL INTERSECTION NOW, ANY CHANGES TO IT WOULD BE OF A BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC THAT DRIVES THROUGH THAT AREA ON A DAILY BASIS.
I STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT MORE WHEN WE COME TO THE ROUNDABOUT AND THEN THE OVERLAY ITSELF, BECAUSE, IN MY OPINION, I THINK THAT THOSE ARE PRIMARILY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
APPLYING THAT ANALYSIS, I THINK COUNSEL SHOULD CONSIDER SOME PERCENTAGE OF A CREDIT GIVEN THAT IT WOULD BENEFIT THE OVERALL GENERAL PUBLIC ITSELF.
BUT AS TO WHAT PERCENTAGE OR WHERE YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE, THAT ULTIMATELY BECOMES A POLICY DECISION.
ESSENTIALLY, THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD.
ULTIMATELY LEFT IT WITH BRIAN THAT IF HE WANTED TO MAKE THAT REQUEST, HE WOULD COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, MAKE THAT REQUEST, AND THEN YOU ALL COULD ENTERTAIN IT AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OF HIM ABOUT IT OR DISCUSS THIS FURTHER.
>> BRIAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? [NOISE]
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>> JUST BACK TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
I APOLOGIZE FOR MOVING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS COVERED.
WHEN I MENTIONED BUFFERS IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSION AND EVERYTHING, WE'VE WORKED ON THE BUFFERS AND THE CEMETERY ACCESS AND A NUMBER OF THINGS LIKE THAT AND FENCING AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK PUT INTO THAT, AND IT'S ALL VERY CAREFULLY DEFINED AND EXPLAINED THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS AND IN THESE DOCUMENTS.
THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO ADD, SIR. THANK YOU.
>> THERE'S BEEN, AS WAS OUTLINED, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AND MEETINGS REGARDING THIS [NOISE] LET'S OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL AND SEE WHAT ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED, AND WE'LL WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THIS, MR. CARROLL, DO YOU WANT TO START US?
>> YES, SIR. I CAN BE COMPLETELY CANDID.
I KNOW WE WERE ASKED TO COME UP WITH SOME UPFRONT COST UP TO 50%.
THEN BECAUSE I GO BY WHAT JOSH AND FROM THE IMPRESSION I'M GETTING FROM JOSH, HE'S NOT RECOMMENDING 50%, BUT HE'S RECOMMENDING SOME TYPE OF PERCENTAGE.
I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ABOUT THAT.
I'M ALSO A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ABOUT THAT ONE ROUNDABOUT WITH CITIZENS ACROSS FROM THE SCHOOL.
I THOUGHT THAT I THINK JOSH AND I HAD TALK THEY HAD BEEN MOVED [NOISE] FURTHER, AND I DIDN'T GET THAT IMPRESSION TODAY, MAYBE I MISSED THAT.
I GOT THOSE TWO QUESTIONS, MR. MAYOR.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO ABOUT THAT PERCENTAGE.
>> LET ME BREAK THAT UP INTO TWO SEPARATE RESPONSES.
LET ME TAKE THE SECOND ONE FIRST.
AS I THINK NATHAN OR BRIAN HAD INDICATED, I HAD SPOKEN WITH MISS NANCY HARPER AND A COUPLE OF OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS OUT IN THIS AREA, WHERE MISS HARPER'S PROPERTIES AT, IT IS NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE INSTALLATION OF THE ROUNDABOUT.
>> IT WAS ORIGINALLY, THOUGH. CORRECT?
REALLY, THE IMPACTS TO HER PROPERTY ARE PRIMARILY FROM IT BEING ACROSS FROM THE SCHOOL ENTRANCE, AND SO WHEN THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT VOLUME OF TRAFFIC GOING INTO THE SCHOOL COMPLEX IN THE MORNINGS OR AT DISMISSAL, IT CAUSES PROBLEMS FOR MISS HARPER IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF HER PROPERTY.
>> PROBABLY THE NEXT DOOR HOUSE.
>> THAT'S IT. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
WE KNOW THAT THE SCHOOL IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT DOING SOME ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS OUT HERE.
I THINK FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT, WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP HER CONCERNS IN MIND AS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT COMES FORWARD WITH ANYTHING THAT THEY MAY HAVE.
WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AS FAR AS THIS PROJECT GOES FOR HER, THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS INDICATED A WILLINGNESS TO TRY TO MITIGATE ANY ANCILLARY IMPACTS FROM HAVING THE ROUNDABOUT HERE.
THEY TALKED ABOUT ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, FENCING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS THINK WOULD BE A REASONABLE MITIGATING OPTION FOR THEM TO PURSUE.
THEY STAND BY AND ARE READY FOR THAT CONVERSATION, IF ANY OF THE RESIDENTS OUT THERE WANT TO HAVE IT.
NOW, THE EXCEPTION OF THAT IS POSSIBLY THIS PROPERTY THAT'S RIGHT HERE AT THE CORNER.
I THINK AS NATHAN INDICATED, IF YOU APPROVE THIS ALIGNMENT AND THIS DESIGN, WE'VE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT CONTACTING THIS PROPERTY OWNER TO SEE IF IT CAN BE MITIGATED BECAUSE THIS ONE DOES HAVE DIRECT IMPACTS IN TERMS OF ACCESS.
>> EITHER EMAIL UP TO THE POINT OF SELLING.
>> WELL, THAT'S IT. IF THEY CAN'T COME UP WITH A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE, THEN THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED.
FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I DO FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WHAT HAS BEEN DONE OUT HERE IS PROBABLY ABOUT AS MOST AS IT CAN BE DONE UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT.
IF SO, I KNOW THAT THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM IS VERY READY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
IN TERMS OF THE FINANCING, AND I THINK YOU AGREE WITH IT.
I CAN TELL YOU, I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REPLICATE AND APPLY TO EACH ONE OF THESE THAT COMES FORWARD, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT PDDS AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE EXTERNAL AND INTERNAL ROAD FEES.
RATHER THAN TRYING TO TAKE THINGS AND DO IT AS A ONE OFF, COMING UP WITH SOME STANDARD THAT WE CAN REPLICATE AND CREATE AN UNDERSTANDING BY WHICH WE COULD AT LEAST APPROACH A REQUEST IN SOME UNIFORM MANNER.
IF YOU AGREE WITH MY PHILOSOPHY, AND YOU ARE BY NO MEANS REQUIRED TO AGREE WITH MY PHILOSOPHY, THE WAY THAT I WOULD EVALUATE THAT IS TRYING TO DETERMINE THE BENEFIT THAT'S GOING TO COME FROM INSTALLING THIS INFRASTRUCTURE,
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WHO'S GOING TO PRIMARILY BENEFIT FROM IT? IF IT'S MORE ON THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, THEN I THINK IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING, AND IN EXCHANGE, THEY GET THE BENEFIT OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT THE BROADER PUBLIC.
AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S PART OF A CONVERSATION THAT WE COULD HAVE.
IN THIS ONE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM BUYING INTO THE AGREEMENT THAT THE REALIGNMENT OF RED DAM AND BRICKYARD WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY COMPARED TO WHAT'S THERE NOW.
BEYOND THAT, THE RESURFACING, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A JUDGMENT CALL.
I THINK THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM WOULD TELL YOU THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO GET THE BENEFIT BECAUSE IT MAY BE SOME TIME BEFORE SCDOT GETS AROUND TO RESURFACING PORTIONS OF THOSE ROAD.
THEY'RE GOING TO RECEIVE THE BENEFIT.
BUT I WOULD ALSO ARGUE THAT MOST OF THE RESIDENTS OUT THERE WOULD TELL YOU THEY WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM DRIVING ON THE BUMPY ROADS IF IT MEANT THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WASN'T GOING TO BE COMING IN.
BUT IF YOU AGREE WITH THAT ANALYSIS, THEN THE QUESTION REALLY IS, BASED UPON WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, WHAT BENEFIT DOES THAT CONVEY TO THE COMMUNITY? THEN A TYING A PERCENTAGE TO THAT.
>> YOU NEED ONE OF THOSE, LIKE HE DOESN'T MAGNIFY.
YOU NEED TO GET MORE. MR. MAYOR.
>> I THINK JOHN TOUCHED ON THE MOST PERTINENT QUESTIONS.
>> I'M JUST HAVING A ISSUE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING PRESENTED BECAUSE FOR ONE, WE GOT THE DA AGREEMENT LATE LAST EVENING, AND I WAS STILL SKIMMING THROUGH SOME OF THOSE PAGES BEFORE I CAME TO THE MEETING.
I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MORGAN TRACT DA AGREEMENT.
I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I SAW IN THAT DA AGREEMENT LIKE THE LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TURN LANE ALONGSIDE LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.
ALSO PAYING FOR THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT WHATEVER INTERSECTION THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE LEFT OUT THERE THAT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE VOTING ON, IF I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
I THINK AS FAR AS THE OVERLAY AND THE ROUNDABOUT, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE DEVELOPER'S EXPENSE BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER HAVING TO RECONFIGURE ROAD A, THAT SHOULD BE ON THEM, AND I DON'T THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE PICKING UP THE TAB FOR THAT.
>> A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS COME TO MIND.
BEFORE I COULD APPROVE THIS, I NEED MORE THAN WELL, WE'LL TALK WITH THEM.
THOSE ARE ANSWERS THAT WE NEED AHEAD OF TIME.
EVEN THOUGH THOSE PROPERTIES MAY NOT BE IN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, THEY'RE STILL RESIDENTS OF JASPER COUNTY, AND I HAVE TO RESPECT THEIR RIGHT AS A PROPERTY OWNER.
WELL, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL.
WELL, WORKING WITH IT AND HAVING IT COMPLETED ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT APPROVED THROUGH THE SCHOOL BEFORE WE GET TO THAT POINT.
THE EXTENT OF THE OVERLAY AND THE SHOULDER WORK, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THAT'S ALL GOING TO TAKE PLACE.
WE'RE WAITING FOR DOT TO COME BACK WITH THAT.
WELL, THAT DOESN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHERE IS IT GOING TO BE.
IS IT GOING TO BE WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE THE MOST NECESSARY? THE FOLKS LIVE ALONG RED DAM ROAD, THEY'D LIKE TO LEAVE IT BUMPY BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING OUT THERE, BUT WE CAN'T STOP, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING OUT THERE.
WE HAVE TO MAKE IT WORKABLE AND SAFE.
I NEED TO SEE WHAT THAT PLAN IS.
BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE, WE NEED ANOTHER WORKSHOP.
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THROUGH ALL OF THAT NEW DA AGREEMENT FROM LAST NIGHT, EITHER.
WE'RE TALKING A LOT OF MONEY, WE'RE TALKING A LOT OF RESIDENTS HERE, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF A WHOLE AREA THERE.
WE NEED MORE TIME. THAT'S ALL, MR. MAYOR.
>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS, AND AGAIN, I HAD THE BENEFIT OF WATCHING THIS MEETING THAT JOSH HAD YESTERDAY, SO IT HELPED.
OTHERWISE, I'D HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM WITH THE DA, BUT I RESPECT THAT THE COUNCIL HAS EVERY RIGHT TO SAY, HEY, IF WE DON'T GET THE DOCUMENTS IN TIME, WE DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO STUDY THEM.
IT'S NOT FAIR TO US TO MAKE A VOTE WITHOUT BEING PROPERLY INFORMED AND DOING THE STUDY THAT THE PUBLIC DEMANDS OF US.
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I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT MR. MEERSMAN SAID ABOUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WITH, I GUESS, IT'S RESIDENT 6 UP THERE.WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO THEM LATER.
I'VE FOUND, AND I AGREE WITH MRS. GUZMAN AND MR. MEERSMAN.
THIS ALL HAS TO BE BUTTONED UP AND IN WRITING BEFORE WE SAY YES TO ANYTHING.
I'VE JUST SPENT TIME TRYING TO FIND A PAST MEETING BECAUSE I DIDN'T ASK FOR SOMETHING TO PUT IN WRITING.
WELL, WHAT IF THEY SAY LATER, I DON'T WANT THAT ROUNDABOUT.
WE SAID IN PREVIOUS WORKSHOPS THAT WE WOULD WORK IT OUT WITH THAT RESIDENT BEFORE WE CAME HERE AND IT'S STILL NOT DONE, AND SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
THE COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I HAD WRITTEN DOWN.
I'M LOOKING AT THE RED LINE ON PAGE 6 OF THE CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN.
WHAT HASN'T BEEN SAID THAT THE LAKESIDE BOULEVARD 278 TO BE IMPROVED BY THE OWNER AND ALLOWS FOR TWO ADDITIONAL FULL ACCESS LOCATIONS AT MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE AND JOHN SMITH ROAD VIA EXISTING INTERSECTIONS.
RED LINED IN THERE WAS ROAD A CONSIST OF A TWO-LANE ROAD AND THE ROUNDABOUT AND ALL THAT IN THERE.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO CLARIFY AND NEEDS TO BE IN WRITING EXACTLY WHAT WOULD BE DONE ALONG RED DAM BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT IMPROVING THE SHOULDERS, WIDENING IT.
THESE ARE ALL DETAILS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS PUT IN THAT THING WE GOT LAST NIGHT, BUT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE IN WRITING.
EVERYTHING. WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH RESIDENT NUMBER 6? WHAT ARE WE DOING ON RED DAM ROAD? ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.
NOW, JOSH AND I DISCUSSED, HOW DO YOU DO INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL ROADS.
A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WENT THROUGH MY MIND.
JOSH EXPLAINED HOW HE COMES UP WITH IT.
TO ME, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S $18 MILLION WORTH OF DEVELOPMENT FEES BEING GENERATED.
IS THAT CORRECT? EIGHTEEN MILLION.
>> INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL FEES.
>> THAT'S EXTERNAL FEES JUST FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION.
THERE'S MORE FOR THE COMMERCIAL PORTIONS. IT'S CONSIDERED NOW A [INAUDIBLE]
>> AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND JOSH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
THERE WILL BE $18 MILLION GENERATED THAT WILL BE PAID BY DEVELOPMENT FEES BY THE NEW RESIDENTS IN THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
>> CORRECT. THEY'RE PAYING FOR THE ROADS.
NOTHING COMES OUT OF THE CITY'S POCKET.
OF THAT 18 MILLION, 12 MILLION, AND THIS IS A QUESTION, WILL BE FOR ROAD A, THE ROUNDABOUT, AND ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS OF RED DAM ROAD ALL THE WAY OUT TO 278, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> WHAT IS LISTED HERE, THAT'S CORRECT, WHICH IS THE TURN CIRCLE, THAT YOU SEE, THE OVERLAY, AND THEN THAT IMPROVEMENT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH RED DAM AND THE BRICKYARD INTERSECTION.
JUST TO CLARIFY, AND THIS IS NOT A VALUE JUDGMENT.
I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME CONFUSION.
EVERY HOME THAT GETS BUILT OUT THERE, THERE'S, I FORGET WHAT THE NUMBER IS, $3,400 A HOUSE FOR ROAD FEES, INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY PAY FOR ALL THE ROADS.
WHAT'S LEFT THE CITY HAS $6 MILLION TO USE FOR ANY OTHER EXTERNAL IMPROVEMENTS.
WE COULD USE IT ON 278, WE COULD PUT A LIGHT SOMEWHERE, WHATEVER.
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>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE MONEY OUT OF OUR POCKET.
I AGREE WITH MR. GRUBER ABOUT CONSISTENCY.
WHAT WE SAY HERE, WE HAVE TO SAY TO EVERYONE AND THAT'S WHAT HIS BIG CONCERN IS, AND I SHARE THAT, BUT I WANT THE COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND NO MONEY WILL COME OUT OF OUR POCKET.
WE WILL AT DAYS IN, ALL THOSE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE DONE, AND WE'LL HAVE $6 MILLION IN THE BANK FOR FUTURE ROAD PROJECTS.
WHETHER YOU AGREE, IT SHOULD BE MORE OR LESS, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD.
THE OTHER THING THAT WENT THROUGH MY MIND IS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT, BECAUSE AFTER MR. GRUBER AND I TALKED, THAT ONE OF THE CRITERIA IS, DOES IT BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS OF HARDEEVILLE OR THE GENERAL COMMUNITY.
ONE THING THAT WENT THROUGH MY MIND, ALL THOSE, HOW MANY HOMES, 4,500, 3,500.
>> FOUR THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED.
>> FOUR THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED. THEY ARE ALL CITY OF HARDEEVILLE RESIDENTS, AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT WILL BE PAYING THE $18 MILLION IN ADDED COST TO THEIR HOME.
AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A VALUE JUDGMENT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN MR. GRUBER SAID IT SHOULD BENEFIT THE HARDEEVILLE, THESE ROADS WILL BENEFIT 3,400 HOMES OF HARDEEVILLE RESIDENTS.
THAT'S WHERE IT BECOMES TOUGH.
HOW DO YOU BE CONSISTENT AT THE SAME TIME BENEFIT EVERYBODY? WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS HOW THE MID COMES INTO PLAY.
JOSH OR BRIAN, PART OF THE DOCUMENTS IS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
IF I UNDERSTAND THAT APPARATUS, YOU WANT TO CREATE A MID, AND THAT MONEY THAT YOU GET FROM THAT MID IS WHAT YOU USE TO PUT THE ROADS IN UPFRONT.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. IN THE INTERNAL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
>> THERE IS PROBABLY SOME CONFUSION BECAUSE BEFORE WE TALKED ABOUT DOING A SECOND MID, WHICH THE MID WOULD BE FOR EXTERNAL ROADS BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN ROAD A WAS IN EXCESS OF $24 MILLION, WAS A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
WHEN THAT GOT SCRAPPED OR WAS BASICALLY REVISITED AND WITH THE COMMUNITY INPUT, AND WE DID THIS TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
WHAT THE EXTERNAL ROAD FEES DOES, IT ALLOWS FOR NO MID FOR EXTERNAL ROAD AND WHAT WE HAVE IS FOR A MID IS FOR THE INTERNAL PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY.
FOR ANYTHING THAT THE INTERNAL ROAD FEES DO NOT COVER.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COLLECT $18 MILLION UNTIL YOU BUILD 3,400 HOMES, CORRECT?
>> BUT WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT FOR THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE COMING ALONG.
WHAT IS THE TIMETABLE? IF WE AGREED TO ALLOW ALL THOSE ROADS AND $12 MILLION COME OUT OF DEVELOPMENT FEES, WHAT'S THE TIMETABLE FOR THIS IN RELATION TO BUILDING THE HOMES?
>> YOU'LL FRONT THE MONEY, AND THIS $12 MILLION WORTH OF ROAD IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE DONE NOW.
>> CORRECT. I WANT TO ADDRESS PROPERTY NUMBER 6.
WE DIDN'T REACH OUT TO THEM AS MUCH BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS ALIGNMENT, CITY COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH THAT FIRST.
I SAY FIRST BECAUSE WE STARTED THE PROCESS WITH THE OLD ROAD A AND CONTACTED PEOPLE AND IT BECAME CONFUSING.
OUR GOAL WITH THIS ALIGNMENT AND THE $12 MILLION, WE WOULD START THE DESIGN PROCESS AND SIGN THE CONTRACTS, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A PROPOSAL ALREADY, FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THAT TURN CIRCLE, FOR THAT ROUNDABOUT, AND ALL THE CONSTRUCTION NOW.
ONCE THAT IS COMPLETED, WE WOULD DO THE IMPROVEMENTS THEREAFTER ONCE WE GET OUR PERMIT.
>> MY THOUGHT WOULD BE, AND I'M HEARING FROM COUNCIL, IS LET'S SAY, HYPOTHETICALLY, WE PASSED FIRST READING THAT WE WOULD NOT PASS SECOND READING UNLESS WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT.
IT'S IN WRITING, IT'S PART OF THE DOCUMENTS ON WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH RESIDENT NUMBER 6.
AM I HEARING THAT FROM COUNCIL?
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>> EVERYTHING MUST BE BUTTONED UP BEFORE WE SAY YES ON SECOND READING.
MR. GRUBER, IS THAT [OVERLAPPING]
>> LET'S MAKE THAT PART OF THE RECORD.
>> THE SCHOOLS. LEAVE NOTHING TO CHANCE.
I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK IN TWO YEARS AND HAVE TO GO THROUGH A MEETING AND SAY, WELL, I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO BE DONE AND THEN WE CAN'T FIND A RECORD IN THE PUBLIC RECORD.
>> NOW, I'M GOING TO ASK THIS QUESTION BECAUSE I SEE MS. DE CORSI IN THE AUDIENCE.
WE'VE DONE ALL THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL DOCUMENTS AND SCOPED OUT ANY GRAVE SITES IN THIS AREA.
>> THEY'RE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD IN THE DOCUMENTS IN HERE.
>> CORRECT. WE'VE GOT ARCHAEOLOGICAL STUDY.
>> THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL STUDY IS, AND THOSE GRAVE SITES ARE PROTECTED.
>> YES. WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, YES.
>> WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT NOT OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT.
>> ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS, CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.
ALL CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC WILL CONTINUE TO GO DOWN LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.
>> I THINK IT'S IN HERE, AND YOU'LL BE RESPONSIBLE TO IMPROVE THE ROADS, WHATEVER DAMAGE THESE HEAVY TRUCKS CAUSE.
>> LK DEVELOPMENT AND THE BUILDERS THAT WE CONTRACT WITH WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE ROADS.
>> THAT'S WRITTEN IN THE DOCUMENT.
>> FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.
>> THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.
>> LAKESIDE BOULEVARD INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS ARE INCLUDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THE ACTUAL LAKESIDE BOULEVARD ITSELF IS NOT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE IF THE ORIGINAL WEST ARGENT COVERS IT BUT ONLY THE LAKESIDE BOULEVARD INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS ARE COVERED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
>> THAT, AGAIN, EVERYTHING MUST BE IN WRITING AND IN THE DOCUMENTS.
WHATEVER THEY'RE AGREEING TO, I WANT THEM IN THE DOCUMENTS.
>> FOR LK DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE ON THIS [NOISE] LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.
>> NO, BUT THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE.
THE PEOPLE FROM HILTON HEAD LAKES WERE HERE AND THEY WERE CONCERNED, ALL THE TRUCK TRAFFIC WAS GOING TO BEAT UP THE ROADS.
BUT WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD WAS THAT YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE WHATEVER REPAIRS TO THAT ROAD ARE NECESSARY AS A RESULT OF THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.
>> WE REACHED OUT TO PATRICK WHEN THIS HAPPENED BEFORE, WHICH IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT.
AND WE SENT HIM AN EMAIL AND NOTIFICATION THAT IF THERE WAS ANY DAMAGE TO LAKESIDE BOULEVARD FROM CONSTRUCTION THAT THE DEVELOPER AND/OR THE BUILDERS WOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE AND WE WOULD MAINTAIN THAT.
WE ALSO WENT THROUGH AND DID A PRELIMINARY REPAIR EARLIER OF THE ROAD AS IT EXISTED WITH THE PATCHING OF ANYTHING BEFORE WE EVEN STARTED ANY WORK.
I THINK THAT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
AND IN THE LIFETIME OF THAT ROAD OF LAKESIDE BOULEVARD, WHICH WAS ALMOST 25 YEARS WITH BUILDING THE HOUSES AND ALL THE DEVELOPMENT, THERE WAS ONLY $10,000 WORTH OF DAMAGE THAT WE HAD TO FIND.
IT WAS REALLY 8,000, AND WE DID A COUPLE MORE POTHOLES AND SOME NATURAL WEATHERING AREAS.
AND WE HAVE BEEN WRITING THAT AND WILL BE WRITING THAT INTO OUR CONTRACTS WITH OUR BUILDERS.
>> MY WHOLE POINT IS, MRS. MAINES, LET'S MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE DOCUMENTS.
WHATEVER DOCUMENTS WE APPROVE, WHENEVER IT IS WE GET THE SECOND READING, IT'S IN THOSE DOCUMENTS.
>> I'LL DO SOME FOLLOW-UP ON THAT AND SEE WHAT TYPE OF DOCUMENT THAT THE CITY COULD APPROVE IF IT'S SOMETHING, OR IT WILL BE THE DEVELOPER PROVIDING THEIR AGREEMENT WITH THE ASSOCIATION ITSELF FOR THAT MAINTENANCE.
[OVERLAPPING] IT MAY NOT BE A DOCUMENT THAT YOU APPROVE, BUT IT MAY BE A SEPARATE DOCUMENT THAT'S PRESENTED TO YOU.
I JUST NEED TO DO A LITTLE FOLLOW-UP ON THAT.
>> WHEN DOES THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES BEGIN TO USE NEW ROAD A AND COME OUT ONTO RED DAM ROAD.
>> THE BEST-CASE SCENARIO, WHEN ALL THE REPAIRS ARE COMPLETED.
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>> WHEN ALL REPAIRS, INCLUDING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 278, ARE COMPLETED?
>> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, AND I'M FINISHED.
>> ONE THING I JUST WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY IS JUST FOR THE SAKE OF COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC, IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE INTENT AND THE SPIRIT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT'S EXISTING IN ALL OTHER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS IN THE CITY IS THAT THE EXTERNAL ROAD FEES ARE USED FOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GENERATED BY OR NECESSARY BASED ON THE TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THE DEVELOPMENT.
I'LL GIVE YOU TWO EXAMPLES: ONE WOULD BE EAST ARGENT.
THE EXTERNAL ROAD FEES THERE ARE BEING USED FOR THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT NEW RIVER PARKWAY AND ARGENT BOULEVARD.
THEY'VE ALSO EARMARKED SOME FUNDS FOR THE OLD FIELD INTERSECTION ON HIGHWAY 170 AND THE INITIAL TRAFFIC STUDY THERE OR IDENTIFIED SEVEN OFFSITE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE NECESSARY.
THE SECOND EXAMPLE I WOULD GIVE YOU IS THIS ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, ROAD A WAS AN EXTERNAL ROAD.
IT WAS BEING FUNDED BY EXTERNAL ROAD FEES.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BIG ASK TO ASK FOR A PORTION OF THE EXTERNAL ROAD FEES TO GO TO HELP PAY FOR THE ROADS THAT ARE NEEDED TO BE IMPROVED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
KEEP IN MIND, WITHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE NO ROAD FEES.
AGAIN, WE'RE SAYING, HE MENTIONED 18 MILLION, THAT'S JUST THE RESIDENTIAL HERE, BUT THE ACTUAL PDD ITSELF IS GOING TO GENERATE OVER 26 MILLION IN ROAD FEES.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE AT NO COST TO THE CITY, FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR LK DEVELOPMENT TO FRONT THE MONEY, BUILD THE ROAD, FOR THEM TO GET PAID BACK AND MADE WHOLE, AND ANOTHER 14 MILLION FOR THE CITY TO PUT TOWARD 278 WIDENING.
I DID WANT TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I THINK THE INTENT AND THE SPIRIT OF THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND ALL OTHER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, THIS IS HOW IT'S NORMALLY CONTEMPLATED AND DONE.
BUT I DID WANT TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.
I ALSO WANTED TO ADDRESS MS. GUZMAN'S COMMENT ON LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.
SO WHAT IT IS THERE, IS THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL LEFT TURN ONTO 278 AS YOU COME OUT.
THE LANES ARE ALREADY THERE, IT JUST NEEDS RESTRIPING.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL HEAD THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT IN.
AND SO ALL OF THAT IMPROVEMENT AS WELL AS EACH OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALL IDENTIFIED IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE SUBMITTED BACK TO THE CITY, I THINK IN NOVEMBER.
MAYBE IT WAS SEPTEMBER. IT'S BEEN A WHILE.
WE'VE HAD AN UPDATED TRAFFIC STUDY, IT MUST HAVE BEEN MORE LIKE NOVEMBER, THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO STAFF, AND I THOUGHT HAD BEEN PROVIDED TO COUNCIL, SO I APOLOGIZE IF Y'ALL DID NOT RECEIVE THAT.
NOW, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN PASSING BACK AND FORTH WITH MS. PRINA AND I APOLOGIZE IF THAT'S JUST NOW GETTING TO YOU.
THE OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS IS I UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO TALK TO THESE PEOPLE AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THIS IS DONE RIGHT.
THAT IS THE DIRECTION THAT EVERYONE IS MOVING FORWARD IN.
BUT JUST POINTING OUT THAT TYPICALLY A ROAD PROJECT, UNTIL YOU GET THE APPROVAL, THIS IS WHERE THE ROAD IS GOING, THEN THAT'S WHEN YOU START DOING ALL THE SURVEY AND THE OTHER THINGS KNOWING WHERE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS ARE.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE IDENTIFIED A FEW OF THOSE CONCERNS, AND I DO THINK WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, ALL THE UNKNOWNS MAY NOT BE SOLVED UNTIL WE GET INTO THE PROCESS OF DESIGNING THE ROAD.
>> BUT I THINK THAT RESIDENT NEEDS TO BE TALKED TO.
EVERYBODY SHOULD UNDERSTAND, THIS COUNCIL SHOULD UNDERSTAND, WHAT THEIR POSITION IS, AND WHAT THE DIFFICULTY IS.
AND LISTEN, WE MAKE A LOT OF DECISIONS, AND I THINK IT WAS MR. SPOCK WHO HAD A FAMOUS QUOTE THAT THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWEIGH THE NEEDS OF THE ONE.
AND WE'RE CONSTANTLY FACED WITH THAT DECISION.
BUT WE WANT TO PROTECT THE ONE AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT ONE WANTS AND NEEDS AND HOW WE CAN COME TO SOME ACCOMMODATION.
>> YES, SIR. ALSO, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS, JOSH HAD MENTIONED THE PUBLIC NEED.
YOU DID POINT OUT THAT THESE WILL BE CITY RESIDENTS AS PART OF THE PUBLIC, BUT JUST GOING THROUGH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE PROPOSED AND HOW THOSE ADDRESS THE PUBLIC NEEDS.
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ONE IS OBVIOUSLY A TRAFFIC CIRCLE.YOU'VE GOT A VERY DANGEROUS CURVE RIGHT THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION.
WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT.
I FEEL THIS SERVES THE PUBLIC.
YOU'RE PROVIDING SAFE ACCESS TO THAT SCHOOL FROM ALL DIRECTIONS THERE.
I THINK THAT SERVES THE PUBLIC.
THE OVERLAY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S PROPOSED IN OUR TRAFFIC STUDY.
A TRAFFIC STUDY IS NOT GOING TO SAY YOU NEED TO OVERLAY THE ROAD.
THAT'S SOMETHING THE DEVELOPER WAS PROPOSING TO HELP THE PUBLIC OUT THERE.
WE RIDE THAT ROAD, AND IT'S NOT IN GOOD CONDITION.
OUR THOUGHT WAS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC ON IT, WE SHOULD OVERLAY THOSE ROADS.
I FEEL THAT SERVES THE PUBLIC.
THEN THE LAST ONE, I THINK JOSH DID SUPPORT, THAT OTHER INTERSECTION WITH THE CRAZY ANGLE THERE, THAT'S REALLY GOING TO HELP WITH THE PUBLIC.
I THINK ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED DO HAVE A BENEFIT FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
>> GIVEN THE FACT FOR ME PERSONALLY, AND JUST ME PERSONALLY, THE FACT THAT $18 MILLION WHICH LEAVES US SIX MILLION IN OUR KITTY, IS BEING PAID BY THOSE 3,400 RESIDENTS.
THE NEW RESIDENTS NEED TO PAY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PROBLEMS THAT THEY CAUSE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S DOING IT.
PERSONALLY, I'M OKAY WITH THE 12, 6 BREAKOUT.
IT GETS THE ROADS IMPROVED, IT GETS IT DONE RIGHT AWAY, IT STILL LEAVES SIX MILLION BUCKS IN THE END, WHATEVER THE COMMERCIAL BRINGS INTO THE KITTY FOR OTHER EXTERNAL ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
>> THANK YOU. AGAIN, WE CAN COME BACK AS WELL.
WE CAN DO SOME MORE TALKING TO SOME OF THESE RESIDENTS.
BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THE SPIRIT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND WHAT THE EXTERNAL ROAD FEES ARE INTENDED FOR. THANK YOU.
>> BEFORE WE CALL FOR A VOTE IN THE SECOND READING, WHENEVER THAT COMES, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT RESIDENT HAS TO SAY.
THAT'S PERSONALLY, AND I THINK I'VE HEARD THAT FROM THE REST OF THEM [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'D FEEL BETTER IF WE HAVE A WORKSHOP BEFORE WE WANT TO TAKE THIS FIRST VOTE.
>> THAT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL TO, IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT.
I THINK WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IF THAT'S A COURSE, THAT WE DEFINE WHAT IT IS WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH SO THAT PEOPLE CAN PREPARE.
WHAT ASPECTS DO WE WANT TO STUDY FURTHER? WE USE THE TIME WELL, AND WE ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT WE FEEL WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED TONIGHT.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE SAID, BUT A LOT OF QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RAISED HERE TONIGHT.
THIS WAS DROPPED IN OUR LAP LAST EVENING, I HAVEN'T REVIEWED ALL OF IT.
BUT ONE THING THAT REALLY CONCERNED ME IS I'M JUST HEARING THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING A MID FOR YOUR INTERNAL ROADS, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NORMALLY DO?
>> YES. ACTUALLY, IT WAS ORIGINALLY A PART OF THE ARGENT WEST AGREEMENT.
AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T BROUGHT A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A CHANGE IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TO WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW [OVERLAPPING] ]
>> WE'LL BE BACK FOR ACCOUNTS ON THAT AS WELL.
>> BUT I FEEL THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC WORKSHOP.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THESE PEOPLE IN NUMBER 3, NUMBER 2, TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE [OVERLAPPING] TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO US DIRECTLY.
I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE FIRST READING UNTIL WE HAVE THESE ANSWERS.
YOU'VE BROUGHT A LOT TO US TONIGHT, AN AWFUL LOT, AND I JUST DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS, AND I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING IT PAST THIS POINT.
THE PROJECT WILL EVENTUALLY GET DONE, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING THE BEST FOR ALL CITIZENS.
THE NEW FOLKS MOVING INTO YOURS, THE RESIDENTS THAT WILL BE USING THOSE ROADS, WE JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK.
>> YES, SIR. I APPRECIATE THAT OPINION.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH FIRST READING TONIGHT, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
I FEEL WE NOTIFIED EVERY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER AND EVEN THREW THE NET OUT FURTHER BEYOND WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR NOTIFICATIONS, JUST TO GENERATE THAT PUBLIC INPUT.
WE HAD A MEETING IN OCTOBER IN THE GYMNASIUM.
ALL THE PUBLIC CAME, WE TALKED ABOUT IT, WE REVISED THE ROAD, WE CAME BACK, HAD ANOTHER JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL WORKSHOP IN DECEMBER, WHERE THE PUBLIC WAS ALSO INVITED.
WE TALKED TO THE PUBLIC, BROKE UP IN GROUPS.
I THINK WE'VE HEARD FROM THE MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC NOW.
I DON'T KNOW THAT NUMBER 6 THERE WAS PRESENT OR NOT, AND I DO AGREE, WE NEED TO TALK TO THAT PERSON,
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BUT I FEEL WE HAVE TALKED WITH THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS.I REALLY DO. A LOT OF THESE DETAILS, LIKE I SAID, THEY WILL BE WORKED OUT IN THE DESIGN PROCESS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO CUT OFF SOMEONE'S ACCESS. YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
NOW, WE WILL TALK TO THEM, I AGREE WITH THAT, WE'LL GO TALK TO THEM.
>> I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THE MEETING WITH THE RESIDENTS AND THEM COMING TOGETHER IS WHY JOSH WAS ABLE TO MEET WITH THAT HOMEOWNER THAT WAS ABLE TO HEAR THAT THE MAJOR PART OF HER COMPLAINT IS THE FACT THAT HER DRIVEWAY LINES WITH THE SCHOOL.
WE ALSO OFFERED, AS JOSH WAS SAYING THAT, IF THERE WERE SOME PROVISIONS, MAYBE IT MEANS RELOCATING HER DRIVEWAY, MAYBE IT MEANS ADDING A TREE.
WHEN WE ASKED HER FOR HER INPUT, SHE HAS STILL NOT GOTTEN BACK TO US WITH THAT FEEDBACK.
WE ARE VERY INVOLVED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WE'RE OPEN TO COMMUNITY COMMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS WE PROGRESS FORWARD.
I CAN'T SPEAK ON THE ARRIVAL OF THE VA.
THE MID IS SOMETHING THAT WAS LISTED IN THE VA PREVIOUSLY.
SOME OF THE NEW CONCEPTS WE'VE REALLY FOCUSED ON TONIGHT, AND WE'VE TRIED TO BULLET POINT THOSE OR JUST SAY, THESE ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO, AND A LOT OF THEM ARE UPDATES IN THE INCREASES.
>> WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S PUBLIC CONCERN.
AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE CHANGED WHAT WAS HAPPENING BEFORE.
THERE'S NOT A PERFECT SOLUTION FOR THIS.
I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE TO THAT.
I DO THINK WE'VE FOUND A SOLUTION THAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC FOR THE COMMUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD, SO THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. WELL, SPEAKING TO THE PUBLIC, WHY DON'T WE, AT THIS TIME, OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC? WOULD ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT OR ASK A QUESTION REGARDING THIS PDD?
>> THANK YOU, CATHLEEN DECOURCY, 782 TICKTON HALL ROAD.
YOU KNOW I'M HERE TO PROTECT THAT CEMETERY.
THE DECLARATION OF PRESERVATION COVENANTS FOR ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES, THERE ARE THREE ON THAT PROPERTY.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS IN WRITING IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT NOW IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I PULLED OFF FROM LAST NIGHT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THERE.
ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK TO HAVE A MEETING WITH MR. GRUBER AND THE DEVELOPER TO GO OVER THE METHODOLOGY THAT THEY USED TO DETERMINE THAT THERE WAS NO BURIALS OUTSIDE OF THOSE FOUR CORNERS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> TO THAT QUESTION, MR. GRUBER, IN THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL DOCUMENTS, IS THERE A STANDARD TO WHICH WAS APPLIED TO THAT?
>> I KNOW THAT AS PART OF THEIR PERMITTING, THE STUDIES HAVE TO BE DONE.
THE ELEMENTS THAT GO INTO THE STUDY ITSELF, I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH.
I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL USE THINGS LIKE GROUND PENETRATING RADAR AND OTHER THINGS TO TRY TO IDENTIFY WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE OUT THERE.
WHAT I CAN UNEQUIVOCALLY CONFIRM IS THE FACT THAT IT IS PROVIDED FOR IN THE DOCUMENTS, IT IS WRITTEN, IT IS CLARIFIED AS AN EXHIBIT AND WILL BE PRESERVED AND PROTECTED.
THAT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE CONFIRMING.
THE OTHER PART ABOUT THE ELEMENTS, I'D TURN IT OVER TO NATHAN.
HE MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION.
>> THERE'S AN EXTENSIVE ARCHAEOLOGICAL REPORT FOR ALL THE IDENTIFIED SITES OUT THERE.
THEN THE CEMETERY ITSELF WAS SURVEYED.
THERE'S A DETAILED SURVEY FOR THAT.
THEN THERE'S A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT THAT OUTLINES THE BUFFER AND RESPECTING THAT PLATTED CEMETERY BOUNDARY.
[OVERLAPPING] THAT IS ALL IN WRITING.
>> I MAY BE WRONG IN STATING THIS, BUT I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT AS PART OF THAT PREVIOUS HISTORICAL ANALYSIS, THE JASPER COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY, I BELIEVE, WAS THE ONE THAT SURVEYED AND EXAMINED THAT PROPERTY.
I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE RECORD.
>> WE'D BE HAPPY [OVERLAPPING] ABOUT THAT.
>> I THINK AT THE REQUEST OF MR. COURCY, THAT YOU GIVE HER WHAT SHE JUST ASKED FOR.
>> CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION?
>> WELL, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T TAKE TOO LONG. GO AHEAD.
>> WITH THE CEMETERY, WHAT ABOUT THE INGRESS AND EGRESS? BECAUSE THAT CEMETERY IS SURROUNDED BY LK DEVELOPMENT, AND THERE'S NO EGRESS OR INGRESS TO THAT CEMETERY.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS PLAN ON DOING ABOUT THAT?
>> ONE OF THE INITIAL MASTER PLANS THAT WILL BE COMING BEFORE YOU THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED ALREADY.
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IT'S JUST BEHIND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HERE.WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF PARKING SPACES SET ASIDE THERE.
THEN WE'VE GOT FIVE SPACES WE'RE PLANNING TO PUT AND CONNECTING TO THE INTERNAL ROADS OF ONE OF THE COMMUNITIES.
WE'RE ALSO PUTTING A BUFFER AROUND THE CEMETERY BOUNDARY.
>> PERFECT. SEE, SO YOU GUYS ARE TAKING THE LEAD IN THIS, AND I COMMEND YOU GUYS FOR DOING THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE LOTS OF DEVELOPERS OUT THERE WHO REALLY DON'T CARE AND BUILD OVER CEMETERIES, DON'T BOTHER TO LOOK, AND YOU GUYS ARE SETTING THE BAR.
FOR THAT, I SAY A HUGE THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING FOR THAT CEMETERY.
>> THANK YOU. THAT MASTER PLAN WILL BE BEFORE YOU.
>> PERFECT. IT WILL BE PROTECTED FROM ANY BULLDOZERS OR ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTING IN THE AREA?
>> EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH CEMETERIES, DEDICATIONS, AND STUFF LIKE THIS.
>> WE ARE APPROACHING THAT. WE HEARD THE CONCERNS AND WE ARE APPROACHING THAT.
>> YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE IMPS.
>> THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU, MR. KENAN, AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL TO THE MAYOR FOR HIM BRINGING THIS UP ABOUT THE LAKESIDE BOULEVARD BEING USED FOR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I GET COMPLAINTS EVERY SINGLE DAY ABOUT THE BIG MULTI AXLE VEHICLES SPEEDING DOWN THE BOULEVARD, THE CEMENT TRUCKS JUST GUNNING DOWN THAT WAY, AND I GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT.
MR. GRUBER, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO WITH CODE ENFORCING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN, NOT JUST IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS TOO? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT IN PLACE THAT HOLDS THESE GUYS RESPONSIBLE?
>> FROM A CODE ENFORCEMENT FROM LIKE, YOU'RE DRIVING A MULTI AXLE HEAVY VEHICLE AND YOU'RE GUNNING DOWN.
>> THAT'S IT. THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING TO.
YES, UNEQUIVOCALLY, WE CAN ENFORCE SPEED LIMIT THINGS LIKE THAT.
I WAS GOING TO SAY IF IT WAS GOING TO BE MORE MAINTENANCE AND STREET SWEEPING AND CLEANING IT UP, WE CAN WORK WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING IN OUR CODE THAT WE ESSENTIALLY CAN ISSUE A CITATION AGAINST, BUT FOR SPEEDING, YES.
WE CAN ABSOLUTELY ADDRESS THAT THROUGH ENFORCEMENT TACTICS.
>> PERFECT. AS FAR AS THE STREET SWEEPING, THE DEVELOPER FROM THE HORIZONS, THEY SHARE LAKESIDE BOULEVARD AND THEY DROP A LOT OF DEBRIS ON THE ROAD, MEANING GRAVEL, MUD, AND ALL OF THAT STUFF, SO WHEN IT RAINS, THE LEFT SIDE OUTBOUND LANE FLOODS BECAUSE THE STORM DRAIN CANNOT KEEP UP WITH ALL THE MUD THAT'S POURING AND A, THAT STORM WATER IS EMPTYING INTO OUR LAKES.
NUMBER 2, THEY SHOULD BE SWEEPING THAT ROAD AT LEAST EVERY OTHER DAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHEN I WAS OUT THERE TAKING PICTURES AND VIDEOING SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S GOING INTO THOSE DRAINS, I HAD THIS BIG MULTI AXLE VEHICLE.
THIS LADY PULLED ACROSS THE ROAD.
SHE WAS DRIVING THIS BIG DUMP TRUCK, AND SHE LET ME HAVE IT BECAUSE I WAS TAKING PICTURES OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO THE ROAD.
THE OTHER ONE, AND I KNOW THE MAYOR ASKED A QUESTION AND YOU COVERED IT ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE, THE COST OF THE REPAIRS, AND THE MAINTENANCE.
I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOU SENT PATRICK AN EMAIL, BUT SOMEHOW SOMEWHERE, MRS. MAINES, IF WE CAN CHECK TO GET THAT MEMORIALIZED IN THE PAPERWORK.
BECAUSE IF YOU GUYS SELL THAT TO SOMEBODY, THAT HAS TO PASS WITH THE LAND.
THE FACT THAT IF Y'ALL ARE NOT GOING TO FINISH CONSTRUCTION, YOU'LL SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND IT CHANGES HANDS.
THOSE PEOPLE NEED TO PICK THAT BALL AND RUN.
JUST TALKING FOR THE ENS, TYPICALLY FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S A THIRD PARTY THAT IS CHARGED WITH ANY RAIN EVENT COMING IN INSPECTING THAT AND REPORTING THAT TO CONTRACTORS.
IF THEY DON'T, THEN THEY CAN BE FINED AND FEES BE LEVIED BY THE STATE.
THERE IS A PROGRAM INVOLVED IN PLACE THAT THERE IS EROSION AND CONTROL SEDIMENT, RAIN, STORM DRAINS.
THAT'S WHY YOU SEE ALL THOSE GUTTER BUDDIES, YOU SEE ALL THE SILT FENCE GO UP.
EVERY TIME IT RAINS, OR THERE'S A HISTORICAL RAIN EVENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEY'RE OUT THERE THE NEXT DAY, ANYTHING OVER A QUARTER INCH, SENDING DOCUMENTATION TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
>> WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M GOING TO BE OUT THERE EVERY RAIN EVENT.
I WILL TAKE PICTURES, AND I WILL SEND IT TO YOU.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO BE PART OF THAT?
>> YES, I WILL. BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN THE STORMS BEFORE SOAKING WET, TAKING PICTURES.
I'VE SENT IT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
I HAVE NO PROBLEMS DOING THAT.
BECAUSE IT'S MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I DRIVE THOSE ROADS TOO.
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AS FAR AS SENDING THAT E MAIL TO PATRICK, HOW DOES HE ASCERTAIN THAT IT'S NOT REGULAR WEAR AND TEAR AND THAT IT'S NOT YOU GUYS?I MEAN, YOU'LL GO OUT THERE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S TRACK MARKS, A PERFECT EXAMPLE THAT JUST HAPPENED.
DOMINION POWER CAME THROUGH, AND THEY WERE LOADING A TRANSFORMER FOR OUR NEW SECTION.
IMMEDIATELY, I GOT DOCUMENTATION SHOWING WHERE THE TRACK MARKS HAD RUINED THE SIDE PORTIONS OF THE ROAD, I GOT CONTACTED DIRECTLY, I CONTACTED DOMINION POWER, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY FITTING THE BILL FOR THAT REPAIR.
>> AWESOME. BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THEM TEAR UP THE GRASSY MEDIANS.
YOU CAN GO OUT THERE AND SEE IF IT'S A TRACK MARK, YOU CAN GO OUT AND SEE THAT IF SOME WATER HAD GONE THROUGH A CRACK OR SIPPED THROUGH IT AND IT HAD SEPARATED.
WHICH IS WHAT WE IDENTIFIED WHEN WE DID THOSE REPAIRS EARLIER.
>> AS LONG AS IT'S GOING TO GET PUT IN THE IMP OR PUT SOMEWHERE THAT THIS IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE, I'M GRATEFUL. THANK YOU.
>> WE NEVER CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC? [LAUGHTER] DOES ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ONCE AGAIN, I REITERATE AND WE'VE HAD MANY MEETINGS, DISCUSSIONS, GOING OVER A LOT OF THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
IF WHATEVER THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO IN TERMS OF WORKSHOPS OR WHATEVER, I WILL SUPPORT AND CERTAINLY SHOW UP.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC.
ARE THERE THINGS IF WE WANT TO WORKSHOP, WE WANT TO POSTPONE, WHAT EXACTLY DO WE WANT TO DO? WE DON'T WANT TO REHASH THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER.
I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, JUST BE VERY FOCUSED ON WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH THAT WE HAVEN'T ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH THESE PAST DISCUSSIONS.
BUT EITHER WAY, IT'S UP TO THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THE COUNCIL.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.
THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF, WHERE ARE WE? [LAUGHTER] ITEM B 2025-02-20B.
WE WILL NOW HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
[LAUGHTER] WELL, IN ORDER TO BREAK THE DEADLOCK AND BREAK THE SILENCE.
I FEEL WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN LEFT IN THIS RECORD, I WOULD ASK THAT MR. GRUBER, YOU AND STAFF LIST THEM OUT AND HAVE ANSWERS TO THEM PRIOR IF FIRST READING GETS PASSED.
BUT IN LIEU OF A WORKSHOP, SINCE NOBODY ELSE MADE A MOTION, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS FIRST READING, PENDING ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP, BE ANSWERED PRIOR TO SECOND READING, AND IF THEY ARE NOT ANSWERED, THEN WE WILL PUSH OUT SECOND READING UNTIL THEY ARE.
I MOVE THAT WE PASS FIRST READING PENDING THE ANSWERS THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR.
THAT'S MY MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND?
I'M GOING TO CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE, AND THAT GIVES EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS ONE MORE TIME WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO GOING FORWARD.
MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL.
>> I'VE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ANSWERED, BUT I STILL HAVE SOME. I'M GOING TO SAY NO.
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>> NOT HAVING THE ABILITY TO READ ALL THE DOCUMENTATION IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, I FEEL IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE FOR ME TO APPROVE, SO MY ANSWER IS NO.
>> SINCE I MADE THE MOTION, I WILL SAY YES.
BUT I'M PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL.
WHAT I WOULD NOW LIKE A, AND I'LL LOOK FOR GUIDANCE FROM THE ATTORNEY, MAY WE MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS NOW TO A DATE SPECIFIC?
>> YOU MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DOCUMENT AND IT FAILED.
THAT'S AN EFFECTIVE DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION.
BUT I BELIEVE YOUR INTENT WAS TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION PRIOR TO AN APPROVAL OF THE ITEM.
>> I THINK THE INTENT WAS TO HAVE THE ONES WHO SAID, NO, AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN THEIR MOUTH, WAS TO HAVE A WORKSHOP PRIOR TO THE FIRST READING.
I PROBABLY MADE A MISTAKE IN OFFERING A MOTION.
BUT CAN WE, WITHOUT TOTALLY UPSETTING THE APPLE CARD HERE.
>> CAN I HAVE A MOMENT TO REFER TO THE RULES?
>> [BACKGROUND] ALL I WANT IS LET'S HAVE A WORKSHOP WITH A SPECIFIC AGENDA.
THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS, HERE'S THE ANSWER.
I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS ALL OVER AGAIN [BACKGROUND].
>> WHAT I SUGGEST, YOU HAVE AN ANSWER?
>> YEAH. THANK YOU TO JOSH, TO HELP ME WORK THAT OUT.
BECAUSE YOU DID HAVE CONDITIONS UPON THAT MOTION TO APPROVE, SO YOUR PRIMARY MOTION JUST FAILED, AND I BELIEVE YOU CAN MAKE ANOTHER MOTION TO TABLE TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT YOU WANTED IN YOUR CONDITION.
>> DON'T LET ME MAKE MOTIONS, AND SEE HOW I GET EVERYTHING CONFUSED? DO I HAVE ANY OTHER MOTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE A WORKSHOP PRIOR TO THIS FIRST READING, BUT LET'S EXPEDITE THIS.
AGAIN, MY REASONINGS FOR ASKING IS THIS DOCUMENTATION CAME TO ME AT SUCH A LATE TIME, I'M UNFAMILIAR WITH IT, AND I DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE VOTING UNTIL I HAVE THIS INFORMATION.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT INFORMATION FROM YOU ALL IS WHAT THIS DOCUMENT IS AS WE GO THROUGH IT.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE.
>> TABLE FOR A WORKSHOP AND AN EXPEDITED FIRST READING AFTER THAT.
>> CORRECT. WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE THE FIRST READING TO GO TO? YOUR NEXT MEETINGS ARE?
>> IN THE MOTION, WE HAVE TO BE DATE SPECIFIC.
>> OUR DATE SPECIFIC FOR THE FIRST READING?
>> YOUR NEXT MEETINGS ARE MARCH 6TH, MARCH 20TH, APRIL 3RD.
>> I WOULD HAVE TO SAY MARCH 20TH.
GIVE US ENOUGH TIME TO DO THE WORKSHOP AND THE QUESTIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE ASKED TONIGHT FOR YOU ALL TO ACHIEVE SOME ANSWERS FOR.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL MARCH 20TH.
WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? LET'S GIVE EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY.
MADAM CLERK, PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL.
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>> YES. LET'S GET THE SPECIFICS.
WHAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS AT THE WORKSHOP, SO WE DON'T REHASH THE SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER, AND WE GET FOCUS TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT ANSWERED.
>> YES SIR. ALONG THOSE LINES, LET ME READ BACK THE NOTES THAT I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE ENCOMPASSED EVERYTHING, SO AGAIN, WE CAN MAKE THE BEST USE OF THE TIME.
WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR APPROVAL FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH REGARDS TO THE LOCATION OF THE SIDEWALK, CONFIRMATION FROM SCDOT REGARDING THE SCOPE OF IMPROVEMENTS TO RED DAM ROAD.
INCORPORATION OF THE PLEDGE TO RE PAIR LAKESIDE BOULEVARD IN SOME WRITTEN DOCUMENT, WHETHER IT'S THIS ONE OR A SEPARATE ONE.
THEN JUST A GENERAL BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROPOSED TERMS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH WE WOULD PRESUMABLY COVER AT THE WORKSHOP.
THOSE ARE THE NOTES THAT I HAVE FROM THIS EVENING.
>> NO. THERE WAS TWO OR THREE PROPERTIES. NUMBER 6 WAS THERE.
>> I KNOW WITH PROPERTIES, THERE ARE THREE AND FOUR.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S A MATTER OF MAKING THEM AWARE OF THE MEETING, THE WORKSHOP SO THAT THEY CAN ATTEND.
THEN FOR THE PROPERTY THAT'S NUMBER 2 OR NUMBER 6, DEPENDING UPON WHAT COLOR YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT, DEFINITION AS TO WHAT MAY BE POSSIBLE WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER.
>> THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE AN OPINION. [OVERLAPPING]
>> COUNCIL, THE NEXT AGENDA ITEMS WON'T BE 5 MINUTES.
FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO DEAL ALSO WITH THIS PROPERTY, ITEM C. THAT GOES WITH WHAT WE JUST DID.
MR. MEERSMAN, DO YOU WANT TO TABLE THAT AS WELL? PLEASE MAKE A MOTION.
>> I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU GO AHEAD AND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM AS IT HAS BEEN NOTICED, AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION SUBSEQUENT TO THAT.
>> THIS IS SAME PROPERTY, SAME SITUATION.
I THINK WE'VE COVERED ALL THE QUESTIONS, SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS GO RIGHT TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
DOES ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS ORDINANCE 2025-02-20C? SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES, OR TABLE THIS UNTIL MARCH 20TH AT THIS TIME.
>> MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE ORDINANCE 2020-02-20C UNTIL THE MARCH MEETING.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND.
CALL VIA VOICE VOTE, AND THOSE ON FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
>> WOULD COUNCIL LIKE A 5 MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT ITEM? LET'S HAVE A 5 MINUTE BREAK.
LET'S BE BACK READY TO ROLL AT 7:20.
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THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE ITEMS THAT ARE REFERENCING THE MORGAN TRACT.
THE FIRST ONE IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, DISTRICT AMENDMENT.
THE SECOND ONE IS TO ADOPT A MASTER PLAN FOR CERTAIN PARCELS.
THE THIRD ONE IS APPROVING FIRST AMENDMENT, TO AND RESTATEMENT OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND HIC MORGAN, LLC.
MR. GRUBER, THERE'S A LOT TO DISCUSS HERE, AND THERE HAS BEEN SOME INDICATION FROM THE LAST APPLICATION ABOUT NOT HAVING ALL THE DOCUMENTS AND NOT BEING TOTALLY PREPARED.
I JUST WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL IF WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THIS FOR THAT SAME REASON, WE TABLED THE OTHER ONE.
LET'S NOT SPEND 2 HOURS OF EVERYBODY'S TIME AND THEN TABLE IT.
IF THAT'S THE MOOD, THEN LET'S DO IT UP FRONT.
BUT WE DO HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THESE ITEMS, AND SO WE CAN TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO VOTE FIRST READING, THEN LET'S GO THROUGH IT.
IF THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO TABLE IT, LET'S FIND THAT OUT EARLY ON.
THAT'S MY SUGGESTION. MR. GRUBER, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU AT THIS POINT.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. AS INDICATED, ITEMS D, E, AND F ARE ALL RELATED TO THE SAME PROJECT, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MORGAN TRACT.
THE CITY FACILITATED A WORKSHOP ON THIS ITEM SEVERAL WEEKS AGO.
AT THE WORKSHOP, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED WITH REGARDS TO BUFFERS, SETBACKS, ACCESS, A NUMBER OF THINGS.
WE'VE ASKED STAFF AND THE APPLICANT THROUGH BOTH OF THEIR PRESENTATION TO COVER THOSE CONCERNS, AND SO THEY'RE PREPARED TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT THE WORKSHOP AT TONIGHT'S MEETING, IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
>> LET'S TAKE A TEMPERATURE OF THE COUNCIL,
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WHETHER YOU WANT TO GO ON, OR THERE'S A MOOD TO TABLE.I'LL START WITH MR. MEERSMAN, AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH IT AND ASIDE FROM THERE.
>> FOR THE SAME REASONS I VOTED FOR TABLING THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENTS, I FEEL THE SAME WAY THIS WAY.
I AM NOT PROPERLY PREPARED, I HAVE NOT HAD ENOUGH TIME TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS, SO I WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE TABLED.
>> YES, SIR. I ALSO REQUEST THAT IT BE TABLED FOR THE SAME VERSIONS THAT SEEMED [INAUDIBLE] GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS IN DETAIL, SO LET'S TABLE.
>> THAT SEEMS TO BE THE MOOD OF THE COUNCIL, AND I WILL CERTAINLY SUPPORT THEIR DECISION.
BUT AS WE RECOGNIZED THE LAST APPLICATION, BECAUSE IT IS PUBLIC NOTICED, WE DO HAVE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, IS THAT CORRECT? WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO BECAUSE THERE ARE THREE SEPARATE ORDINANCES, WE HAVE TO HAVE THREE SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT CERTAINLY IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY AT ALL ABOUT ANY OF THESE ORDINANCES, PLEASE COME UP AT THIS TIME.
>> WE HAVE ANOTHER CEMETERY ON THIS PROPERTY.
>> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> CATHY DECOURCY, 782 TICKTON HALL ROAD.
I DO HAVE A COPY OF THE CULTURAL RESOURCE SURVEY ON THE MORGAN TRACK, AND THERE IS ANOTHER CEMETERY.
IT JUST SO HAPPENS TO HAVE THE SAME SURNAME AS THE ONE AT BRYAN DAM.
THE BUSHES OBVIOUSLY WERE ALL OVER THIS AREA.
I AM JUST PUTTING EVERYBODY ON NOTICE THAT THERE IS A CEMETERY OUT THERE, AND WE WILL BE DOING FURTHER RESEARCH ONTO THAT CEMETERY AS WELL. THANK YOU.
>> YOU HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU NEEDED REGARDING THE ARCHITECTURAL STUDIES?
>> IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED, PLEASE LET US KNOW, AND WE'LL GET IT TO YOU.
SO OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE WE GOT THE NOTICE, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT TO TABLE IT.
BUT I AM DISAPPOINTED NOT TO HEAR WHAT DEVELOPER WAS PLANNING FOR THE CHANGES BASED ON THE WORKSHOP AND MY SPECIFIC BIG CONCERNS WERE THE FENCE.
DID THEY INCORPORATE THE 10 FOOT FENCE INTO THE NEW WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLING IT THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE PLANE OR WHATEVER.
SECONDLY, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE NOISE ON THE CONSTRUCTION ROAD.
IS THAT GOING TO BE PUBLICLY PART OF THAT? THEY SAID, OUR HOUSE WAS SHAKING AT 10:30 THIS MORNING, JUST FROM THE MINTO CONSTRUCTION.
I IMAGINE WE ADD THE OTHER ONE, IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN WORSE, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH MINTO AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO DO THAT.
I THINK THE OTHER ONE WAS THE EAGLE NEST, WHAT THEY PLANNED TO DO AS FAR AS TO MAKE SURE IS THERE AN EAGLE WILDLIFE STUDY DONE? BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SEE THAT PUBLICLY.
WE SAW BAT STUDIES BUT NOT EAGLE STUDIES.
[LAUGHTER] HAS THAT BEEN DONE? IS THAT GOING TO BE SATISFIED SO THAT I THINK MR. MAYOR, YOU TALKED AT THE LAST WORKSHOP ABOUT WE DON'T WANT TO START CUTTING A TREE DOWN AND HAVING A NEST FALL DOWN.
THOSE ARE MY THREE MAIN CONCERNS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ADDRESSED IN THIS NEXT ROUND.
>> GOOD EVENING. AINSLEY FAGAN, 546 SAWMILL ROAD. I'LL BE BRIEF.
>> [LAUGHTER] WHAT THE MORGAN TRACT COMES DOWN TO FOR MANY PEOPLE IS ONE, THE BUFFERS, TWO, THE TRAFFIC, AND THREE FLOODING.
BUT I'M GOING TO SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC ON 46, WHICH I ADDRESSED BRIEFLY WHEN I LAST ADDRESSED THE COUNCIL IN THE WORKSHOP.
WE CONSISTENTLY TALK ABOUT 278, YET WE NEVER TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT 246.
FORTY SIX WILL LIKELY BECOME THE NEW JOHN SMITH.
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AN ADDITIONAL WAY TO GET TO THE INTERSTATE WITH THE NEW BUILDING OF SPINE ROAD.THE MORGAN TRACT HAS 6,700 PLANNED HOMES, AND THAT WILL ADD TO THE TRAFFIC ON 46 WITH THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC COMING FROM 278.
I'M PULLING UP A MAP HERE AND I'M GOING TO STAND IN FRONT AND TALK.
THIS IS THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT MAP THAT WAS PUT FORTH BY THE DEVELOPERS OF THE MORGAN TRACT.
YOU CANNOT SEE THE SAWMILL ROAD EXIT HERE, BUT IT IS VERY CLOSE TO WHERE THE PROPOSED EXIT IS FOR SPINE ROAD.
I WOULD ARGUE LESS THAN MAYBE HALF A MILE.
THERE ARE APPROVED ALMOST UP TO 600 HOMES HERE IN THE MILLSTONE LANDING TRACT.
THERE'S GOING TO BE 6,700 HOMES HERE IN SPINE ROAD.
THERE'S A PLAN DIRECT ACCESS ROAD FROM MARGARITAVILLE TO SPINE ROAD, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING ALL ALONG 46.
I JUST WANT THE COUNCIL TO CONTINUOUSLY BE AWARE OF ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
JUST TONIGHT ALONE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PUT OVER IN THE HILTON HEAD DISTRICT, THAT'S 4,000 HOMES.
THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER 4,000 HOMES OR SO.
WE HAVE MILLSTONE LANDING UP TO 600 HOMES, AND WE HAVE THE MORGAN TRACT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS GOING TO BE 6,700 HOMES.
WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO 20,000 SOMETHING HOMES ALL IN THIS ONE AREA THAT ARE NOW GOING TO BE USING SPINE ROAD TO GET TO 46 AND WE HAVE NOT REALLY TALKED ABOUT OR ADDRESSED THIS AT ALL.
I TOOK THE SCREENSHOT FROM GOOGLE.
HERE YOU CAN SEE PINE ARBOR ROAD.
HERE YOU CAN SEE SAWMILL ROAD AND HERE IS WHERE I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE EXIT FOR SPINE ROAD WOULD LIKELY BE CONSIDERING IT'S THE EXISTING DA ROAD OVER ON THE MORGAN TRACT.
THESE ARE ALL INCREDIBLY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER.
THERE IS NO CENTRAL LANE ON 46, AND IT LEFT TURN OUT OF PINE ARBOR, IN SAWMILL ROAD, WHICH ONLY HAS ONE EXIT WILL BE INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT AS THE TRAFFIC DEVELOPS IN THIS AREA.
I WOULD, HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO ASK FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY IN THE 46 AREA IF IT HAS NOT ALREADY BEEN ASKED, AND THAT IT BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR REVIEW.
I LIVE IN MILLSTONE LANDING, AND I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ACCESS OF GETTING OUT AND HAVING TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN TO GO TO SAVANNAH, OR IF I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GO VARIOUS DIFFERENT WAYS AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THESE TYPES OF THINGS DON'T GET FORGOTTEN, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PROXIMITY OF THESE THREE POSSIBLY MAJOR ROADWAYS AND DEVELOPMENTS.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE I WANTED TO BRING FORTH TO THE COUNCIL TODAY.
THE OTHER ONE, I'LL BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT THE BUFFERS WHICH WE HAVE HIT A LOT, AS COUNCIL IS AWARE.
LOTS OF YELLOW NEXT TO THE MILLSTONE LANDING DEVELOPMENT.
HERE ARE THE HOMES IN THE MILLSTONE LANDING DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS A VERY NICE GUESSTIMATE FROM GOOGLE MAPS ABOUT HOW FAR 50 FEET IS VERY CLOSE AND I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU ALL HAVE THIS VISUAL SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IS GOING TO BE BEHIND THE POTENTIAL UP TO 600 HOMES IN MILLSTONE LANDING, IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT, THE WAY THAT IT'S PLANNED IN THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON.
I HOPE THAT IT WILL GIVE YOU GUYS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION CONCERNING THE AREA.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I'LL BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE FLOODING.
I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR IT, BUT YOU GUYS ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO CAN REALLY MAKE THE DIFFERENCE HERE AND WHAT HAPPENS IN THESE DEVELOPMENTS IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
I CURRENTLY LIVE IN A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS CONSTANTLY UNDER DEVELOPMENT AS WELL, AND WE ARE ALREADY HAVING FLOODING ISSUES.
I JUST HOPE THAT THIS CONTINUES TO BE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY BECAUSE A NEW DEVELOPMENT AND A NEW DEVELOPMENT AND A NEW DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP SEEING FLOODING IN AREA.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, AND I HOPE YOU ALL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AT YOUR EXPERT JOB.
>> MISS, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOUR VISUALS GET TO STAFF SO THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING, IT CAN BE PUT UP FOR THE SCREEN, AND STAFF CAN ALSO SHARE THE CONCERNS WITH THE APPLICANT.
>> I'LL GLADLY EMAIL THE PRESENTATION TO YOU ALL IF YOU ALL WANT TO BRING IT UP IN THE WORKSHOP.
>> I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO, WHATEVER, WHETHER IT'S THE NEXT MEETING IS THAT WE PUT IT UP ON THE BIG SCREEN AND THEN YOU CAN RUN THROUGH IT AGAIN IF WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME TO THE WORKSHOP.
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>> [LAUGHTER] I'VE SPOKEN WITH COUNCILWOMAN GUZMAN A LOT, AND SHE KNOWS THAT I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE PART OF WHAT I DO EVERY DAY IS I DEAL WITH CAR ACCIDENTS, SO TRAFFIC IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
I WILL DEFINITELY BE THERE IF I CAN. THANK YOU.
>> MR. MAYOR, MAY I SUGGEST THAT WE COMBINE THESE TWO WORKSHOPS AND HAVE THEM AT THE REC CENTER TO EXPEDITE THESE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD FEEL AVAILABLE TO DO?
>> I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY FROM A SCHEDULING STANDPOINT, IF THAT'S OUR PLAN TO TABLE, THEN I THINK THAT.
BUT I WOULD CAUTION IF A, WE HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC, BECAUSE AS WE SAW TONIGHT, WE CANNOT PUT TWO PROJECTS OF THIS MAGNITUDE WITH THIS MANY QUESTIONS ON THE SAME EVENING.
IT'S TOO MUCH. WE HAVE TO ABSORB INFORMATION.
WE HAVE TO ABSORB FROM THE PUBLIC, AND THEN MAKE A DECISION.
LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD WORKSHOPS, LET'S BE FOCUSED WITH A CLEAR AGENDA.
HERE'S THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE LEFT UNANSWERED.
WHAT ARE THE ANSWERS SO THAT WE CAN HANDLE TWO WITHOUT IT BEING A FIVE HOUR MEETING.
>> THAT WOULD BE OKAY, OR WE CAN SPLIT THESE APART.
>> I LIKE THE IDEA OF THEM TOGETHER.
>> OF COMBINING THEN, AND IF WE SET A TIME LIMIT HOUR AND A HALF FOR EACH ONE.
>> AGAIN, IF WE BE SPECIFIC ON WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH, THAT IN ITSELF WILL LIMIT THE CONVERSATION OR AT LEAST LIMIT THE TIME.
THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT ALL TOGETHER AND THEY COME BACK TOGETHER ON MARCH 20TH, THAT THE REST OF THE AGENDA NEEDS TO BE PUT OFF.
WE CAN'T HAVE THREE HOUR MEETINGS AND FOUR HOUR MEETINGS.
IF WE CONTINUED THIS CONVERSATION, WE'D BE HERE TILL 9 O'CLOCK, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO BE.
WE HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
>> TO BE MORE SPECIFIC THEN MAY I SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP TO HEAR THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED BETWEEN THE DEVELOPERS OF BOTH PROJECTS AND OUR CITY MANAGER AND HERE BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO THOSE.
IN MY HAND, I HAVE TWO SHEETS OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORTH AT THE PREVIOUS WORKSHOP THAT I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS YET AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THOSE ANSWERS FROM MR. GRUBER AND FROM THE DEVELOPERS IN A PUBLIC WORKSHOP.
>> BEFORE I ASK FOR A MOTION, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, JUST LIKE I DID AT THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION.
MR. GRUBER AND I WERE CALLED YESTERDAY AFTERNOON BY STEFAN HOYER, WHO IS HOYER INVESTMENT COMPANY AND WE WENT OVER ALL THE ITEMS FROM THE WORKSHOP THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, INCLUDING THE BUFFERS THAT WE JUST HEARD ABOUT THAT ALONG THAT PROPERTY THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, THE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS TURNING RADIUS ONTO 270.
ALL THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST WORKSHOP.
WE DIDN'T GET ANSWERS, BUT WE HAVE A LIST OF QUESTIONS.
IN FACT, MR. GRUBER HAD SOME NICE NOTES IN HIS HANDWRITING.
AGAIN, GETTING TO BE SPECIFIC, JOSH, THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO.
LET'S SEND THE [NOISE] LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH MR. HOYER YESTERDAY, GIVE IT TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, AND SO THAT WHEN WE DO COME BACK TO THE WORKSHOP, WE'RE VERY FOCUSED IN ON WHAT IT IS, THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE, WHAT THE ANSWERS ARE, AND WE CAN ACCOMPLISH MORE AND LESS TIME AND I WANT TO GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THAT.
DID YOU WANT TO COME UP AND ADD TO THAT?
>> NO, SIR. MY ONLY COMMENT IS POINT OF ORDER.
I THINK YOU MADE A JOINT MOTION, SO WE JUST NEED SEPARATE MOTIONS FOR OUR [OVERLAPPING]
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>> YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT THANK YOU.
WE DIDN'T CALL FOR A MOTION YET.
>> IT WAS A SUGGESTION BY COUNCILMAN MEERSMAN THAT WE HAVE A WORKSHOP.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO NOW, TO YOUR POINT IS CALL FOR A MOTION AND HAVE A MOTION AND HAVE A VOTE ON IT.
MR. GRUBER, ARE WE ON ORDER SO FAR?
>> I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES, AND LET'S SEE.
I GOT TO GET MY BRAIN BACK AT THE RIGHT SPOT.
WE HAVE TO DO THREE SEPARATE ONES, MADAM ATTORNEY.
THIS WOULD BE ITEM D, SO 2025-02-20 D.
>> MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE TO THE MARCH MEETING WITH A WORKSHOP IN BETWEEN THOSE TIMES FOR 2025-02-20D.
>> WHICH MARCH MEETING WOULD YOU LIKE?
>> THE SECOND MEETING IN MARCH.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL, THE PUBLIC, OR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, I CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS ON FAVOR. PLEASE SAY AYE.
>> ALL OPPOSED. THAT'S TABLED TO MARCH 20TH.
NEXT IS ITEM E, AND THIS IS THE MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL.
THIS IS 2025-02-20E. BY LAW, I NEED TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC AT THIS TIME.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MORGAN TRACK FROM THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ORDINANCE 2025-02-20E.
>> MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE 2025-02-20E TO THE MARCH 20TH MEETING.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL, THE PUBLIC, OR THE APPLICANT.
SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.
>> ALL OPPOSED. THAT'S TABLED ALSO TO THE 20TH.
NEXT IS ITEM F IS THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE, AND THIS IS APPROVING THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND RESTATEMENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THIS IS 2025-02-20F. AGAIN, I INVITE THE PUBLIC TO COME FORWARD WITH ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MORGAN TRACK AT THIS TIME.
SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ORDINANCE 2025-02-20F.
>> MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE 2025-02-20F TO THE MARCH 20TH MEETING.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL, THE PUBLIC, OR BY THE APPLICANT.
SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.
>> I KNOW IT'S A LONG TIME TO WAIT TO GET POSTPONED FOR A MONTH, BUT AS MR. WHITE ALWAYS SAYS, WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN A HURRY TO MAKE A MISTAKE.
IT'S BETTER THAT WE DELIBERATE AND COME UP WITH A GOOD DECISION AT THE PROPER TIME.
WE'LL SEE YOU WHEN WE'LL BE SCHEDULING A WORKSHOP SOMETIME BETWEEN NOW AND MARCH 20TH.
THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE THE MANAGER'S REPORT, MR. GRUBER.
>> NOTHING TO REPORT THIS EVENING, MR. MAYOR.
>> [LAUGHTER] I THINK THAT MAY BE THE START OF A TREND THIS EVENING.
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>> WE'RE GOING TO GO AND REVERSE ALPHABET ORDER, MR. WHITE.
>> NOTHING TO ADD, NO CONCERNS.
>> WE PRACTICE GOOD GOVERNMENT TONIGHT.
>> TWO QUICK ITEMS. I DON'T WANT TO DISAPPOINT.
FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATULATIONS TO THE FAMILY OF JUJU HUDSON ON THE NAMING YESTERDAY AND THE GROUNDBREAKING OF THE PARK BEHIND CITY HALL.
ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO HELPED WITH THE YOUTH COUNCIL, JUDGE NANCY, THE NAVARROS, AND BLANCA MARTINEZ WHO HELPED WITH THE YOUTH COUNCIL AND THEIR PROJECT.
HAVING SAID THAT, THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
[NOISE] AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.
>> THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.