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>> I'D LIKE TO CALL THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING FEBRUARY 12TH, 2025 TO ORDER. MR. RIC.
[CALL TO ORDER]
[INVOCATION & PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
>> THANK YOU. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
>> YOU WANT TO MOVE? YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> HAVE A MOTION. DO I HEAR A SECOND?
>> [INAUDIBLE] I'D LIKE TO NEED YOU TO ADD ONE THING TO THE AGENDA IF YOU CAN.
>> WE CAN'T, NOW, WE APPROVED IT.
>> I KNOW. WE NEED TO DISCUSS THE MEETING TIME FOR THE MARCH MEETING.
[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
IF YOU COULD RESCIND YOUR MOTION, I APOLOGIZE.>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE ADD THE ITEM FOR THE MEETING TIME FOR THE MARCH MEETING AND APPROVE THE AGENDA.
>> I HAVE A MOTION FOR AMENDMENT. DO I HEAR A SECOND?
>> PUBLIC COMMENT. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FROM THE PUBLIC NOT DEALING WITH TODAY'S AGENDA?
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON.UNDER ALL BUSINESS. APPROVAL OF JANUARY 8TH,
[OLD BUSINESS]
2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES.[MINUTES FROM JANUARY 8, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING]
DO I HAVE ANY MOTIONS FOR AMENDMENTS, CHANGES? SEEING NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE?>> MOVE AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> NEW BUSINESS. JOE, YOU'RE UP.
[NEW BUSINESS]
GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
[CONSIDERATION OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL (SFR2) DISTRICT TO DOWNTOWN MIXED USE (DMU) FOR PARCEL 029-45-11-014 LOCATED AT 103 SAULS COURT]
I'M JOE DUFFY, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HERE.I'M HERE TO DISCUSS A PROPOSED ZONING MAP AMENDMENT AT 103 SAULS COURT. THANK YOU, SIR.
WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE REZONED INTO OUR DOWNTOWN MIXED USE T5 TRANSECT ZONE DISTRICT.
CURRENTLY, THE LOT AT 103 SAULS COURT IS ZONED FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL 2 AND IS IN THE T3 TRANSECT ZONE.
HERE IS JUST AN AERIAL OF THE LOT IN QUESTION.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE GOT MAIN STREET, ONE PARCEL AWAY, AND SAULS COURT BEING THE CUL-DE-SAC STREET PERPENDICULAR BORDERING THE YELLOW LOT OUTLINED.
CURRENT ZONING LOOKS LIKE THIS WITH THE T5 TRANSECT ZONE IN ORANGE, DOWNTOWN MIXED USE DISTRICT AND THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL T3 IN YELLOW.
HERE'S WHAT THE SITE LOOKS LIKE TODAY.
THAT IS THE LIBRARY PICTURED ACROSS MAIN STREET, SO I IMAGINE A LOT OF FOLKS ARE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THIS SECTION OF MAIN STREET, JUST A COUPLE BLOCKS NORTH OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
ANOTHER GLIMPSE LOOKING NORTH FROM THE FIRST ENTRANCE AREA ON SAULS COURT.
THERE IS A UTILITY EASEMENT BEHIND THE LOT WHERE THOSE TREES ARE CLUSTERED.
THIS IS LOOKING STRAIGHT AT 103 SAULS COURT AND LOOKING DOWN SAULS COURT TO THE END OF THE CUL-DE- SAC.
THIS IS THE VIEW FACING AWAY FROM THE LOT ACROSS THE STREET AGAIN TOWARDS MAIN STREET AND THIS IS THE VIEW FROM MAIN STREET FACING THE JASPER COUNTY NEIGHBORS UNITED PROPERTY.
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I SHOULD MENTION THE APPLICANT ALSO OWNS JASPER COUNTY NEIGHBORS UNITED LOT ON MAIN STREET.THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO HAVE BOTH PARCELS THEY OWN COMBINED INTO THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT.
WHAT WERE WE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WOULD THE NEW ZONING ENTAIL? I JUST WANTED TO REFERENCE SOME OF OUR TEXT FROM MUNICIPAL ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
THE T5 TOWN CENTER ZONE IS INTENDED TO BECOME THE URBAN HUB OF DOWNTOWN HARDEEVILLE, WITH MORE DENSITY AND INTENSITY THAN OTHER AREAS.
IT WILL BE A MIX OF USES WITH COMMERCIAL LOCATED ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR AND OFFICES AND/OR RESIDENTIAL ON UPPER FLOORS.
THE ZONE PROVIDES A WALKABLE EXPERIENCE WITH SAFE PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
JUST BORROWING FROM THE INTENT OF THE CODE, I DID WANT TO SHARE A SAMPLE OF THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THE ZONE TENDS TO ENCOURAGE, ALTHOUGH THAT IS NOT AT ALL EXACTLY WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT, BUT JUST FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES.
I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION AND SHOW THE COMMISSION REFERENCING OUR WHYTE HARDEE BOULEVARD MASTER PLAN FROM A FEW YEARS AGO.
YOU CAN SEE THESE TWO PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED BASICALLY DIRECTLY NEXT TO THE DOTTED BLACK LINE, WHICH WAS ADJACENT TO THE MIXED USE ZONING, WHICH IS IN RED ON THIS PARTICULAR MAP.
YOU CAN SEE THE OUTLINE OF THE SAULS COURT CUL-DE-SAC THERE TOWARDS THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN, BASICALLY IN THE CENTER OF THAT INTERSECTION THERE.
IN REVIEWING OUR OTHER PLANS, WE DID FIND THAT THE PROPOSAL IS GENERALLY IN LINE WITH THE VARIOUS PLANS THAT THE CITY HAS ADOPTED THUS FAR.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN WHICH THE LAND USE ELEMENT SECTION DOES ENCOURAGE INFILL HOUSING ALONG MAIN STREET.
STAFF FELT THAT THE COMBINED PARCEL MIGHT FURTHER ENCOURAGE THAT POSSIBILITY THROUGH A LARGER LOT TO WORK WITH UNDER THE DOWNTOWN MIXED USE ZONING.
THE LAND USE ELEMENT ALSO SUGGESTS REPURPOSING EXISTING STRUCTURES FOR HIGHER COMMERCIAL USES.
IN THIS CASE, THAT WOULD APPLY TO THE JCNU BUILDING, AS WE KNOW IT.
THE HOUSING ELEMENT ALSO ENCOURAGES A GREATER SUPPLY OF AFFORDABLE AND OR ATTAINABLE HOUSING OPTIONS.
SO I'LL LET OUR APPLICANT SPEAK TO THEIR VISION FOR WHY THIS IS BEING PURSUED SHORTLY, BUT THAT WAS NOTED IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS WELL AS THE NEED FOR A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPOLOGIES BEYOND TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.
STAFF FOUND THAT THE CONCEPT FOR GREATER DENSITY WOULD SUPPORT THE WHYTE- HARDEE BOULEVARD REVITALIZATION PLAN, BRINGING MORE RESIDENTS TO THE DOWNTOWN CORE HERE AND THAT A NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD ENCOURAGE MORE ATTAINABLE HOUSING OPTIONS.
JUST A REMINDER OF OUR PROCESS.
PLANNING COMMISSION IS ASKED TO CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED ZONING MAP AMENDMENT AT 103 SAULS COURT.
IF RECOMMENDED, THAT DECISION WOULD GO FURTHER ONTO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL, AND IF APPROVED AT STEP 2, WOULD THEN COME BACK INTO THE STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE PROCESS UNDER WHICH IT WOULD UNDERGO FURTHER SCRUTINY IN TERMS OF DESIGN, ENGINEERING AND ALL THOSE GOOD THINGS.
AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE OUR APPLICANT UP.
WE'VE GOT THE ENGINEERING TEAM AS WELL AS REPRESENTATIVES FROM JCNU.
I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE NATHAN SURREY FROM THE ENGINEERING TEAM TO WELCOME FURTHER MEMBERS OF THE TEAM. THANK YOU.
>> NATHAN SURREY, CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.
I'M JOINED WITH TEDD MOYD, FROM JASPER COUNTY NEIGHBORS UNITED AND CEDRICK COLEMAN, WHO'S THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT.
I THINK JOE DID A GREAT JOB PRESENTING THE CASE HERE, AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE.
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>> I'LL START WITH THE COUNCIL.
WE'LL GO ALPHABETICALLY. MR. ARZILLO?
>> THE FIRST QUESTION IS, THE EXISTING HOME/LIBRARY, WOULD THAT BE LEVELED IN THIS PROPERTY COMBINED?
>> I'VE GOT A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING.
THERE'S A WHOLE LOT THAT'S NOT HERE AND IT'S DEFINITELY DIFFERENT THAN EVERYTHING AROUND IT.
THAT'S FOR SURE SO I'M GOING TO START WITH THAT.
>> I REALLY APPRECIATE HOW CLOSELY THIS FOLLOWS THE PLANNING DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE APPROVED.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF INFORMATIONAL QUESTIONS.
I THINK I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
BUT WHAT IS JASPER COUNTY NEIGHBORS UNITED?
>> LIKE HE SAID, MY NAME IS TEDD MOYD.
I'M THE PRESIDENT CEO OF JASPER COUNTY NEIGHBORS UNITED.
JASPER COUNTY NEIGHBORS UNITED IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AGENCY FOUNDED IN 1999.
WE JUST CELEBRATED 25 YEARS OF BEING THE FIRST AND ONLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING AGENCY THAT ADDRESSED THE NEEDS OF LOW TO MODERATE INCOME HOUSING NEEDS.
WE BUILT THE FIRST AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT HERE ON HIGHWAY 321 DEERFIELD VILLAGE.
WE ALSO PURCHASED MERCY CIRCLE, WHICH WAS THE FORMER BRANCHWOOD APARTMENTS, 42 UNITS.
WE BOUGHT IT FROM A DEVELOPER WHO WAS GOING TO SELL IT, AND WE REHAB IT, AND WE RENTED IT TO LOW INCOME INCOMES.
WE PERSONALLY HAVE OTHER LOW INCOME PROPERTIES.
WHAT WE DO IS HELP LOW TO MODERATE INCOME, THE WORKING POOR.
PEOPLE WHO GOES TO WORK IN THE DARK COME HOME IN THE DARK.
WE TRY TO PROVIDE THEM WITH DECENT SAFE AND SANITARY HOUSING.
WE HAVE FINALLY GOTTEN OUT OF THE MARKET OF RENTAL SO WE ARE STRICTLY BEING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AGENCY TO HELP HOME OWNERS PURCHASE PROPERTY.
THIS IS GOING TO BE FOUR UNITS OF TOP, BUT I'LL LET HIM GET TO THAT LATER.
>> THANK YOU. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WITH US BEFORE.
>> APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'RE DOING.
WE'RE JUST DEALING WITH THE ZONING TODAY, BUT I WONDERED, HOW FAR ALONG ARE YOU IN YOUR ACTUAL PLANS FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT?
>> WE'VE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION TO THE CITY FOR THE SITE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS WHAT KICKED ALL THIS UP.
WE COULD PULL THAT UP IF WE WANT TO SEE THE SITE PLAN AND SEE [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE WORKING THROUGH.
>> DURING OUR PRE-APPLICATION PROCESS, WE DETERMINED THAT, YOU MENTIONED PARKING WAS A CONCERN.
THEY NEEDED ADDITIONAL LOT AREA IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR PLAN.
SINCE THEY OWN BOTH LOTS, THE WAY TO ACHIEVE THAT IS TO REZONE THAT BACK LOT AND HAVE THEM BE THE SAME ZONING SO THAT THEY CAN COMBINE THE PROPERTY AND DO THE DEVELOPMENT.
BUT WE HAVE NOT OFFICIALLY REVIEWED THIS BY STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE BECAUSE THE ZONING IS NOT IN PLACE YET.
>> IF YOU COULD SCROLL UP TO THE TOP ONE, JUST RIGHT THERE.
>> SORRY, SIR. THE CURRENT PLAN HAS ABOUT 03,400 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR, AND THEN FOUR RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON THE TOP FOR THE BUILDING THAT FRONTS MAIN STREET.
THEN THE BACK TWO ARE TWO DUPLEX UNITS FOR ANOTHER FOUR UNITS AVAILABLE.
>> FIRST FLOOR, YOU PLAN TO BE COMMERCIAL?
>> THIS PIECE IS IN THE ZONING, REALLY, AT THE KATIE'S POINT, WE NEEDED THE PARKING, WHICH IS WHAT'S DRIVING THE REZONING IN THE BACK.
>> THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT WE CAN SEE FROM MAIN STREET IS GOING TO BE TORN DOWN.
>> INSTEAD OF TRYING TO RENOVATE AND REUSE?
>> THE EXISTING PARCEL ON MAIN STREET, THAT STRUCTURE THAT'S ON THAT PARCEL ISN'T IN KEEPING WITH WHAT THE THE NEW ZONING THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED.
>> BUT THAT BUILDING COULDN'T BE REPURPOSED AS IT SITS?
>> IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT TRANSIT ZONE WITH THAT BUILDING.
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>> BUT IT COULD BE RE PURPOSED AND USED AS A BUSINESS.
>> IT WOULD NOT MEET THE INTENT OF THE CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
IF THEY WERE TO CHANGE THE USE OF THAT, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH TO MAKE THAT BUILDING COME INTO KEEPING WITH THE MCPOB.
>> BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WE WANT TO CHANGE THE ZONING.
>> YOU'RE STRICTLY LOOKING AT THE ZONING.
>> TO MAKE USE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
MY QUESTION IS THAT EXISTING BUILDING, COULD IT BE REPURPOSED FOR BUSINESS?
>> MR. TALBOT, WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH IS, SO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE HAS RULES REGARDING NON CONFORMITIES.
IF THEY CHANGE THE USE OF THAT BUILDING AND THEY COME IN FOR EVEN JUST A ZONING PERMIT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES TO THAT BUILDING BECAUSE IT DOES NOT CONFORM WITH THE ZONING THAT WAS [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. IT COULD BE REPURPOSED.
>> NOT AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS.
IT DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU. NO, IT COULD NOT.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT IF WE APPROVE THIS CHANGE, THAT WHOLE PARCEL.
THAT BUILDING, I UNDERSTAND THE WAY IT SITS TODAY WOULD NOT MEET THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
MY QUESTION IS, IF WE APPROVE THIS ZONE CHANGE, COULD THAT BUILDING BE SAVED AND REPURPOSED?
>> THE ZONING CHANGE IS NOT FOR THAT PARCEL.
THAT BUILDING IS UNDER THE ZONING THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PARCEL BEHIND IT.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT FRONT PARCEL IS ALREADY CURRENTLY ZONED FOR WHAT IS BEING SHOWN HERE.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE ZONING FOR THE PARCEL BEHIND IT.
>> YOU'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING REGARDING THAT ZONING ON THAT FRONT PARCEL.
IF THEY CAME IN TODAY FOR A CHANGE OF USE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THAT BUILDING TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE.
>> THAT'S REALLY NOT ON THE TABLE TODAY.
>> BUT YOU'RE SAYING CAN IT CHANGE, IT CAN'T.
>> BUT IN ORDER FOR THEM TO MEET WHAT THEY PROPOSE, THEY'VE GOT TO TEAR THAT BUILDING DOWN.
>> I'M CONCERNED [OVERLAPPING].
>> FULL UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT ACT PARCEL.
>> MY CONCERN IS WE'RE TEARING DOWN BUILDINGS ALL AROUND THE CITY AND THAT'S MY CONCERN.
I UNDERSTAND AND THAT WAS JUST MY QUESTION.
>> I'M CEDRICK COLEMAN, SHED ARCHITECTURAL ARCHITECT FOR THE NEW BUILDING AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, THE BUILDING CAN'T BE MODIFIED TO ACCOMMODATE THE SPACE THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THE JC&U TO CONTINUE.
>> THAT'S REALLY WHAT CAN'T HAPPEN WITHIN THAT ENVELOPE RIGHT NOW.
>> THE BOTTOM LINE ANSWER IS THAT THAT BUILDING CANNOT BE REPURPOSED.
>> CANNOT BE REPURPOSED AS IT IS NOW. ABSOLUTELY.
>> THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. BECAUSE IT SAYS TO REPURPOSE EXISTING STRUCTURES FOR HIGHER COMMERCIAL USE.
IT'S ON YOUR SLIDE. REPURPOSE EXISTING STRUCTURES FOR HIGHER COMMERCIAL USE.
>> YES, SIR. WELL, THE CURRENT PLAN ON THE BACK PIECE IS STRICTLY RESIDENTIAL AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY COMMERCIAL.
>> BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REPURPOSE ANY BUILDINGS?
>> THAT STATEMENT IS ERRONEOUS.
>> MR. TALBOT, THAT'S MY SLIDE. I DRAFTED THAT.
I'LL SAY THE INTENT OF INCLUDING THAT LANGUAGE WAS JUST CONCEPTUAL IN TERMS OF REPURPOSING THE SLIDE.
>> BUT ACTUAL BUILDING, IS NOT.
>> IF WE PUT THIS OUT, AND JOHNNY CITIZEN SAYS, WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO REPURPOSE.
NO, YOU'RE NOT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE TELL THE PUBLIC IS FACTUAL.
I QUESTION THAT. ON THE HOUSING HELMET, I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A NEED.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT HOW MANY 1, 2, 3 BEDROOM?
THE BUILDING IN THE FRONT, THE NEW BUILDING WOULD HAVE 4, 2 BEDROOM UNITS ON THE UPPER FLOORS.
THE PROPOSED TOWNHOUSE UNITS WOULD BE THREE BEDROOM UNITS IN THE BACK BASE ESSENTIALLY, RIGHT NOW.
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>> I JUST NEED TO KNOW FOR THE RECORD.
THIS IS ALL CONCEPTUAL. THIS IS WHAT? BECAUSE WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT ZONING, BUT IT IS FOR INFORMATION, AND THAT IS OKAY.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IT COULD CHANGE.
>> I UNDERSTAND. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M COMFORTABLE IN MAKING A DECISION.
>> UNDERSTOOD. I JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT.
>> I KNOW IT'S CONCEPTUAL, BUT WHAT WOULD THE PRICE POINTS BE ROUGHLY JUST TO GUESS?
>> WE HAVEN'T DECIDED THAT YET.
BUT IT WILL BE WE WERE LOOKING TO HAVE IT UNDER 200,000 OR LESS IF WE CAN, BECAUSE JASPER COUNTY COUNCIL CONTRIBUTE $150,000 TO THIS PROJECT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S AFFORDABLE.
THAT MONEY WILL COME OFF THE TOP OF THE UNITS WHEN WHEREVER WE GET THE PRICE POINT.
>> THESE ARE GOING TO BE RENTAL UNITS, RIGHT?
>> NO, NO, THESE ARE GOING TO BE HOME OWNERSHIP.
>> HOMEOWNERSHIP OUT OF THE RENTAL BUSINESS.
>> TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND YOU SAID, ROUGHLY?
I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
>> AGAIN, JUST FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES, I REALIZE THAT, WE'RE DEALING WITH ZONING TODAY, NOT THE PROJECT, BUT IS THERE A TIMELINE IF IT'S CONCEPTUAL, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THIS?
>> I'M SORRY, YOU HAVE TO PLEASE GO UP TO THE MIC. YOU CAN GO UP.
>> ONCE WE GET APPROVAL, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BREAK GROUND WITHIN 3-4 LESS THAN SIX MONTHS, BECAUSE WE HAVE FINANCING IN PLACE.
WE JUST WAITING UNTIL WE GET APPROVAL BEFORE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BANKS AND CONTINUE THE PROCESS.
>> GREAT. YOU SAID THAT YOU OWN THE PROPERTY IN FRONT OF IT ON MAIN STREET THERE.
DO YOU OWN OTHER PARCELS AROUND THERE, OR THAT'S THE EXTENT OF IT?
>> NO, WE OWN SOME OTHER PARCEL ON GAR LANE.
WE OWN A 3.34 ACRES THAT WE PLAN TO DEVELOP ALSO.
WE DON'T OWN ANY MORE PROPERTIES ON SOULS.
>> GREAT. THANK YOU THAT'S GREAT. IT'S ALL RIGHT.
>> DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC?
>> IF YOU CAN COME UP TO THE MIC AND STATE YOUR NAME,
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
ADDRESS, AND TRY TO KEEP IT THREE MINUTES.>> I WANT TO ADD, PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
>> I'M JONATHAN BULLARD. GOOD MORNING.
>> I LIVE AT 105 SAULS COURT, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE 103 THAT'S GOING UP FOR ZONING.
I'VE LIVED ON SAULS COURT FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
PURCHASED THE HOUSE FROM MY FATHER.
WHEN I THINK OF SAULS COURT, I THINK OF A GOOD FAMILY ORIENTED STREET THAT'S QUIET.
I MYSELF NOW HAVE A 15 MONTH OLD DAUGHTER THAT'S GOING TO GROW UP ON SAULS COURT.
THERE'S PRETTY MUCH KIDS IN EVERY HOUSE.
IF NOT KIDS, THERE'S GRANDKIDS.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO TO SAULS COURT.
INCREASED TRAFFIC. IT'S A CUL DE SAC.
WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TRAFFIC NOW.
THIS IS ONLY GOING TO INCREASE TRAFFIC.
PARKING. THERE'S NOT ALL THE HOUSES ARE PRETTY SET CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SETBACK ON PROPERTY LINES.
MY QUESTION IS HOW MUCH SETBACK IS HE GOING TO HAVE FOR BUILDINGS ON THIS? ALSO, WHAT STOPS ME FROM IN THE FUTURE, MAYBE REZONING MY 105 SAULS COURT TO DOWNTOWN MUSE.
IF WE CONTINUE TO DO THESE THINGS.
FIFTEEN MONTH OLD DAUGHTER'S BEDROOM, AND MY BEDROOM IS ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CORRECT DECISION IS MADE TO HELP THE CURRENT RESIDENTS ON SAULS COURT, AS WELL AS $200,000 TOWNHOUSES, WHAT'S THAT GOING TO DO TO OUR PROPERTY VALUES THAT ARE VALUED AT WELL OVER $200,000? THAT'S ABOUT IT.
>> ANYONE ELSE? THEN YOU GUYS ANSWER THE QUESTIONS WHEN THEY'RE DONE.
>> MY NAME'S ROSALIE RAINES, AND MY HUSBAND, GORDON RAINES, AND WE LIVE AT 35 MAIN STREET RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE BUILDING THERE.
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I THINK THE GENTLEMAN FROM SAULS COURT JUST ANSWERED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.HE ASKED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
BUT MY QUESTION IS, I KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE THE HOUSING, YOU HAVE, LIKE, THE AIR CONDITIONING SET UP OUTSIDE WHERE THEY BUILD THAT THEY USUALLY BUILD A LITTLE I DON'T KNOW.
I GUESS THEY'RE CASING AROUND IT.
>> WELL, YEAH, OR MAYBE THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
I GUESS IT'S FOR THE NOISE OR TO KEEP THE THE AIR CONDITION IS SAFE.
HOW MUCH NOISE WOULD THAT BRING? THAT'S THE QUESTION.
>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS SELINA JENKINS, AND I LIVE AT 110 SAULS COURT.
AS WE SEE IT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PARKING.
WHEN PEOPLE HAVE PARTIES AND DO DIFFERENT STUFF IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IS NOT A LOT OF PARKING ERROR.
PEOPLE PARK ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROAD.
I'VE LIVED THERE OVER 35 YEARS.
I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA, WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT I DON'T THINK AT THAT AREA WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
HOW IS IT GOING TO AFFECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM IT? THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
>> I THINK IF WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ZONE CHANGE, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A MASTER PLAN.
I THINK AT THAT TIME, SOME OF THESE ISSUES WE CAN REALLY ADDRESS.
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I'M GOING TO BE HONEST. WE ON THE COMMISSION HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING AND SIDEWALKS AND THIS AND THAT.>> MR. TALBOT, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT THIS WILL NOT COME BACK FOR A MASTER PLAN.
THIS IS NOT IN A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
>> WE HAVE TO ADDRESS IT NOW THEN?
>> WELL, STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE WILL ADDRESS IT BECAUSE WE'RE STRICTLY LOOKING AT THE ZONING, AND THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, AND THE NEW ZONING REQUIREMENTS WILL REQUIRE THEM TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THINGS LIKE PARKING ON THEIR OWN SITE, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE ADDING THAT BACK PARCEL.
BUT IT WILL BE HANDLED BY STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE.
THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WAS ADOPTED LAST FEBRUARY?
>> OUR RECOMMENDATION WE CAN ADD CONDITIONS TO IT.
>> YOU CAN'T ADD CONDITIONS SPECIFIC TO THIS.
WHAT CONDITIONS ARE YOU THINK IT HAS TO BE RELAYED TO THE REZONING REQUEST? NOT A DEVELOPMENT.
>> THAT THEY LOOK AT PARKING AND LIGHTING, SIDEWALKS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
>> THE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW THAT WE ALWAYS BRING UP AT ALMOST EVERY ISSUE.
>> THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS OF THE MZDO, WHICH COVERS ALL OF THOSE CONCERNS.
THEY CAN'T HAVE LIGHT POLLUTION.
THEY HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR PARKING ON SITE.
THEY'LL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS OF THAT ZONING DISTRICT.
BY DEFAULT, WITH THE REZONING, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE T5 ZONING STANDARDS.
>> CAN I ADD ONE THING TO THAT?
>> JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON YOU SAYING REPURPOSING THAT BUILDING.
THAT BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY DONATED TO THE TOWN OF HARDEEVILLE TO BE A PUBLIC LIBRARY FOR HARDEEVILLE.
I GREW UP AS A KID WALKING BACK AND FORTH TO THAT LIBRARY, RENTING BOOKS, AND GETTING ON THE COMPUTER.
THE [INAUDIBLE] FAMILY IS THE FAMILY WHO DONATED THAT BUILDING.
THAT BUILDING WAS NOT USED WHEN THE NEW LIBRARY WAS BUILT.
JUST THINK OF 10 YEARS FROM NOW OR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, OUR KIDS ARE WALKING DOWN BY THAT BUILDING TO GO TO THE NEW LIBRARY, THE TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT AREA RIGHT THERE.
>> BUT WHAT KATIE SAID AND WHAT THEY ALLUDED TO IS THAT THAT BUILDING AS IT SITS TODAY,
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DOES NOT EVEN COMPLY WITH THE ZONING THAT IT SITS ON.>> IT'S BEING USED AS A BUSINESS NOW.
>> IT'S A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING USE OF THE SAME.
>> THAT'S A DOUBLE EDGE IF YOU ASK ME.
>> I MEAN, AS THESE GUYS HAVE HEARD IT AND KATIE HAS HEARD ME, TOO.
WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT YOU, BUT WE'RE ALSO HERE TO REPRESENT THE CITIZENS OF HARDEEVILLE, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT WE FEEL IS BEST FOR EVERYONE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO AGREE WITH YOU.
WE'LL DO WHAT WE FEEL IS BEST, AND THEN IT WILL WE'LL GO TO THE COUNCIL.
THEY DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH US.
>> THAT'S ALL [BACKGROUND] THANK YOU.
>> OKAY, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE? YES. OKAY.
>> MAUREEN GARDNER, AND I LIVE AT 106 SAULS COURT.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK MORE ABOUT THE INTRODUCTION OF LOW-INCOME HOUSING OR A HIGH-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL UNIT IN A PREVIOUSLY SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO LOWER SURROUNDING PROPERTY VALUES, INCREASE DEVELOPMENT, PROPERTY TAXES MAY RISE, PUTTING ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL STRAIN ON LONG-TERM RESIDENTS OR SINGLE-WORKING MOMS LIKE MYSELF.
HAS THE CITY CONDUCTED A STUDY OF THE FINANCIAL IMPACT THIS REZONING WILL HAVE ON CURRENT HOMEOWNERS?
>> THE PROCESS FOR THE EDUCATION OF EVERYONE HERE.
THE CITY HAS ADOPTED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH OUTLINES THE FUTURE PLANS FOR THE CITY.
THEN FROM THERE, THERE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAPPENED AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, AND TWO THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WERE UPDATING OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND DOING A WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD MASTER PLAN.
I UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT RIGHT ON WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD, BUT THAT WAS THE PARCELS FRONTING MAIN STREET, WE'RE PART OF THAT PLAN AS WELL.
WHAT STAFF HAS TO DO WHEN WE GET A REQUEST FOR REZONING SUCH AS THIS IS TO LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND DETERMINE IF THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THOSE DOCUMENTS.
IS IT CONSISTENT OR IS IT NOT? THAT'S WHAT WE CAN PRESENT PER STATE LAW, THAT'S OUR ROLE, SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY.
>> I JUST WANTED TO JUST MAKE MY CONCERNS FOR THIS AREA.
I HAVE A 13-MONTH-OLD LITTLE GIRL, AND IT'S A NICE, QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD, I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS WILL GREATLY IMPACT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> YOU FOLKS WILL HAVE ANOTHER SHOT AT RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN IT GOES TO THE COUNCIL BECAUSE THEY WILL ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT DURING THE FIRST AND SECOND READINGS.
WHATEVER WE DO HERE TODAY, YOU STILL HAVE OPTIONS. YES, SIR.
I'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, STARTING WITH THE FIRST GENTLEMAN WHERE HE TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUE OF THE REZONING.
THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS REZONING WAS THE FACT THAT FOR THE FRONT BUILDING, WHICH IS THE T-FIVE, THAT THERE WAS WITH US PUTTING THE RESIDENTIAL ABOVE IT, THERE WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH SPACE TO GET THE PARKING.
ON THE SITE. THE PARCEL BEHIND, WHICH IS T-THREE, ALWAYS ALLOWED MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS IN THIS NEW ZONING DISTRICT.
WE REALLY ARE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING, NOT CHANGE WHAT CAN BE BUILT ON THE LOTS.
WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO EXPAND THE T-FIVE TO BUILD A BIGGER BUILDING THAT WOULD BE COMMERCIAL AND THEREBY ENCROACH ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT NOW, THE T-THREE ALLOWS SOMETHING MORE THAN A SINGLE FAMILY TO BE BUILT ON THAT BACK LOT.
THERE'S NO INCREASE IN DENSITY OR ANYTHING THAT'S BEING ADDED BY THIS REZONING.
WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING.
IF WE TOOK A RESIDENTIAL OFF OF THE BUILDING IN THE FRONT, THAT MEANS THE BUILDING COULD BE DEMOLISHED, AND A COMMERCIAL BUILDING BUILT THERE,
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WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING ON THAT LOT WITHOUT ANYTHING ADDITIONAL.LEAVE THE BUILDING IN THE BACK THE LOT T-THREE AND BUILD MULTIFAMILY OR ACTUALLY TOWNHOUSES BECAUSE THE T-THREE ACTUALLY WANTS YOU TO BUILD TOWNHOUSES.
IT DOESN'T WANT YOU TO BUILD BIG OVER-LOAN BUILDINGS.
OUR DESIGN WAS TO ACCOMMODATE TRYING TO GET ADDITIONAL HOUSING ON THE FRONT.
NOT NECESSARILY THE DEFINITION OF LOW-INCOME HOUSING.
LOW-INCOME HOUSING IS NOT A REAL THING.
WHEN YOU BUILD A BUILDING, IT COSTS X TO BUILD A BUILDING.
WHETHER IT'S LOW INCOME OR NOT IS BASED ON HOW IT'S FINANCED.
WE ARE NOT BUILDING A CHEAP BUILDING.
NONE OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE CHEAP.
YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO TELL WHO LIVES THERE OR WHAT THEIR INCOME LEVEL IS.
THAT IS A MISNOMER THAT I THINK SHOULD NOT BE PLACED ON ANY DEVELOPMENT.
I'VE SPENT 13 YEARS ON PLANNING BOARDS IN MY CAREER, AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO DENY ANOTHER PERSON THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN AN AREA BY STIGMATIZING WHAT'S BEING BUILT THERE.
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO CREATE ANYTHING THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'RE WORKING WITHIN WHAT THE NEW PLANNING DOCUMENT SAID, WHICH IS TO INCREASE AND IMPROVE WHAT HARDEEVILLE HAS TO OFFER TO THE COMMUNITY, TO CREATE ARCHITECTURE THAT IS IN KEEPING WITH THIS NEW PLAN, AND TO ALSO KEEP THE DENSITY AND THE DESIGN TOGETHER.
WE THINK WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE DESIGN THAT ACCOMMODATES THOSE THINGS AS LOW IMPACT AS WE CAN AND THAT IT'S A DESIGN THAT WE WILL RESPOND TO.
I THINK WE'VE LOOKED AT THOSE ITEMS FAIRLY AND WOULD HOPE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NOT TAKEN LIGHTLY AND NEVER WILL.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A COMMENT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SPOKE ON WHO WOULD BE MOVING IN HERE.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE HEARD ANY REFERENCE TO ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I'LL SAY THIS, ON THIS PROJECT, LOOKING AT THIS, THIS WHOLE COURT HAS BUILT OUT.
ALL OF THESE RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN HERE. THEY'RE THERE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE HALF-ACRE LOT THAT'S LEFT IN THIS WHOLE COMMUNITY.
BUT THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED IS PUTTING A PARKING LOT, ROUGHLY A HALF ACRE, WITHIN FEET OF THE RESIDENCE.
NOW, I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE LIGHTING. I DON'T LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE ORIGINAL, THE LIBRARY THERE WAS DONATED.
I KNOW THE PEOPLE WHO DONATED, AND I KNOW WHAT THEIR INTENT WAS TO HAVE A LIBRARY THERE.
BUT NOW WE'RE CHANGING THIS WHOLE COMMUNITY TO SOMETHING.
THIS IS NOT A VERY GOOD FIT IN MY OPINION FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MOTIVATIONS ARE.
I FEEL LIKE THERE WOULD BE PLENTY OF BETTER FITS FOR THIS, BUT I KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO REALLY IMPACT THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE EXISTING.
LOOK, YOU CAN SEE IT FOR YOURSELF.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING ONE-HALF OF ONE ACRE.
BUT THE IMPACT OF THAT IS GOING TO DRASTICALLY CHANGE THAT WHOLE COURT, EVERYBODY THAT LIVES THERE, IS GOING TO CHANGE THE WHOLE APPROACH.
I'M NOT SEEING THIS AS A VERY GOOD FIT.
>> I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTARY.
I THINK YOU MISSED MY POINT, WHICH IS THE FACT THAT WITHOUT CHANGING THE ZONING, THE ARCHITECTURE, OR WHATEVER CAN BE BUILT THERE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SINGLE-FAMILY.
WHETHER IT'S OUR PROJECT OR ANYTHING, WE'RE NOT CHANGING BY OUR DESIGN ANYTHING.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE HAS CHANGED IT.
WE ARE WORKING WITHIN WHAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALLOWS.
OUR PROJECT IS NOT HERE TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER.
THE ZONING MANUAL AND THE DIRECTION THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN HAS DONE THAT.
>> BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A PARKING LOT ON THAT ACRE, AM I CORRECT?
>> WE'RE BUILDING A PARTIAL PARKING LOT ON A PORTION OF IT, AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE ZONING IS.
IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE, IT NEEDS PARKING.
IF YOU HAVE TOWNHOUSES, IT NEED PARKING, IF YOU HAVE A BUILDING ON THE FRONT, WHICH I'VE EXPLAINED CAN BE BUILT THERE, IT WILL REQUIRE A PARKING LOT.
IT'S THE REALITY OF WHAT THE WORLD IS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THE FACT THAT DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT.
IT DEFINITELY WILL. THERE'S NO QUESTION.
>> I THINK A GOOD FIT WOULD BE THE LAST PIECE THAT'S THERE, IT'D BE A SINGLE RESIDENCE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IS ON THAT COURT.
[LAUGHTER] BUT THAT'S MY OPINION.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT, AND THERE'S NO ARGUMENT THERE. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS GORDON RINE.
MY WIFE HAD PREVIOUSLY SPOKEN WITH YOU.
MY CONCERN IS WHERE WE LIVE, WHICH IS 35 EAST MAIN STREET, AND WE'RE IN THE BACK OF THIS PROPOSED PROJECT.
WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW JUST HOW CLOSE ANY PARKING IS GOING
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TO BE TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.>> I'D BE HAPPY I CAN HAND OUT MY CARD, AND PEOPLE CAN EMAIL ME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS RELATED TO THEIR SPECIFIC LOTS, AND WE CAN LOOK AT STUFF.
BUT AT THIS TIME, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT PARCEL THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S THE PARCEL IN QUESTION RIGHT NOW FOR A REZONING.
THE DESIGN HASN'T EVEN BEEN LOOKED AT BY THE STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE BECAUSE THE ZONING IS NOT IN PLACE, SO WE CAN'T ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TO THE DESIGN UNTIL WE GET TO THE POINT OF SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMITTING REVIEW.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S IT HAS NO STAFF REVIEW BECAUSE WE'RE CONSIDERING JUST THE ZONING.
>> I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW EDUCATED DECISIONS CAN BE MADE WHEN WE CAN'T SEE ANYTHING.
BEFORE WHEN THE ZONING IS APPROVED, THE WHEELS START TURNING.
>> IT'S THE CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER THE THINGS IN THE T-FIVE TRANSACT ZONE SHOULD BE APPLIED TO THIS PARCEL OR NOT.
THAT COULD BE ANYTHING THAT'S WRITTEN INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE BECAUSE ONCE THE ZONING IS IN PLACE, THAT'S THE ZONING THAT GOES WITH THE PROPERTY.
IF IT GOT REZONED AND NOT DEVELOPED BY THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT, THEN THE STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT MET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING IN PLACE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON.
>> THE ZONING IS IN PLACE, THE SINGLE-FAMILY ONE? [NOISE] FOR THE 103?
>> IT ALSO HAS A TRANSECT ZONE.
AGAIN, I CAN'T GO OVER ALL THE DETAILS RIGHT HERE IN THIS, BUT IT DOES HAVE A TRANSECT ZONE PLACED ON TOP OF IT AS WELL.
I'D BE HAPPY TO SEND YOU THAT PART OF THE ORDINANCE.
>> YEAH. I DON'T KNOW [BACKGROUND] WHERE CAN I LOOK FOR OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT MIGHT HAVE THAT?
>> I WILL ADD THAT NO MATTER HOW THIS COMMISSION VOTES TODAY, IT'S GOING TO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
WE DON'T MAKE THE DECISION, AS YOU GUYS WELL KNOW.
>> AGAIN, I TRUST THAT WE, AS A COMMISSION, WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IS WHAT WE FEEL IS BEST FOR THE CITY, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT YOU FEEL OR WHAT YOU FEEL.
IT'S WHAT WE FEEL IS BEST FOR THE CITY.
THEN IT WILL BE UP TO THE COUNCIL, AND THEY WILL HEAR YOUR ANSWERS.
THEY WILL HAVE A HEARING, AND THEY WILL MAKE A DECISION.
ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? HAVING SAID THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, AMEND, OR WHATEVER.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS PROPOSED REZONING TO CITY COUNCIL.
>> I CAN SECOND IT, AND THEN CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE. SECOND.
>> I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID HERE TODAY.
IF I LIVED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND ANY DEVELOPMENT WAS COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WOULD CONCERN ME, I'D WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
I COULDN'T HELP BUT LOOK AT IT THROUGH THE EYES OF HOW IT WOULD AFFECT ME.
BUT THERE ARE THREE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE CLEAR TO PEOPLE.
NUMBER ONE, EVERY MUNICIPALITY THAT DOES ZONING IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ZONING FOR ALL DIFFERENT USES.
IF WE LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, WE MIGHT WANT TO SAY, EVERY HOUSE IN HARDEEVILLE HAS TO BE WORTH MORE THAN $500,000, OR EVERY HOUSE IN HARDEEVILLE HAS TO BE MORE THAN 2,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE LEGALLY ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T PROVIDE ZONING FOR LOTS OF DIFFERENT USES.
THE SECOND THING IS, THE INTENT OF THE PLAN TO BRING MIXED USE INTO DOWNTOWN IS, THE INTENTION IS TO BETTER THE AREA DOWNTOWN.
FOR MYSELF, IF I COULD LIVE IN A COMMUNITY THAT WAS VERY WALKABLE,
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THAT I COULD EASILY WALK TO BUSINESSES AND COMMERCIAL AREAS AS WELL AS RESIDENTIAL, I THINK I WOULD LIKE THAT.BUT THE POINT IS THAT THAT'S WHAT THE PLAN IS LOOKING TO DO, AND THE INTENT IS TO IMPROVE NEIGHBORHOODS.
IN FACT, THIS MIGHT BE HARD FOR PEOPLE IN THE SITUATION TO RECOGNIZE, BUT IT MIGHT BE THAT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, THAT THE PROPERTY VALUES WOULD GO UP BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THEN THE FINAL THING I WOULD SAY IS, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND I THINK THAT WE'RE ALMOST LUCKY TO HAVE THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, MOSTLY BECAUSE IT'S A NONPROFIT AFFORDABLE HOUSING GROUP, THE JASPER COUNTY NEIGHBORS UNITED.
YOU HAVE A MUCH BETTER CHANCE OF A REALLY GOOD DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY HAVE MADE ONE THING CLEAR, THAT I THINK IS OF SUCH GREAT IMPORTANCE HERE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT RENTERS.
IF I HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THEIR PLAN FOR HOME OWNERSHIP OR ALMOST ANY RENTAL UNIT NEXT TO ME, I WOULD CHOOSE THE HOME OWNERSHIP.
HOME OWNERSHIP IS A KEY TO PEOPLE REALLY TAKING CARE OF PROPERTY.
DEVELOPERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP PROJECTS AS LONG AS THEY'RE WITHIN ZONING.
I THINK THAT FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS A GOOD ONE, AND THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
>> LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO WHAT WE FEEL IS BEST FOR THE CITY.
I'VE BEEN AROUND HERE FOR ABOUT 11 YEARS.
PROBABLY ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO, KATIE, WE WENT THROUGH THE BRANDING AND WE TOOK INPUT FROM THE ENTIRE CITY, WHAT DID YOU WANT TO SEE DOWNTOWN? THE THINGS THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE WAS MORE COMMERCIAL AND MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THOSE WERE THE TWO BIG ISSUES.
AT THE TIME, I SAID, WELL, I COULDN'T CONCEIVE HOW THAT WAS GOING TO FIT.
BUT I SEE WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN THE CITY, AND WHETHER I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT OR NOT, I THINK I COMMEND YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.
I THINK IT'S A NEEDED PROJECT.
NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, I WILL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE. MR. ARZILLO?
>> YOU'VE PUT ME IN A TOUGH SITUATION.
MY CONSCIENCE TELLS ME TO DO ONE THING, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY AYE AND LET THE COUNCIL DECIDE.
I APPRECIATE WHAT EVERYONE HAS SAID TODAY.
I'VE LIVED WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN MY HOMETOWN.
I HAD IT HAPPEN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND INITIALLY, THE VALUE OF MY HOUSE WENT DOWN.
BUT IN TWO YEARS, IT ALMOST DOUBLED BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DID.
I'M GOING TO SAY YES, AND MOVE IT TO THE COUNCIL.
I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR YOUR INPUT. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
>> IF ANYTHING CHANGES, I THINK ALL YOUR PUBLIC NOTICE LETTER SAID THIS IS SCHEDULED FOR THE MARCH 6TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
[BACKGROUND] YES, BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, THEY WILL BE.
WE WILL GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF.
>> YOU SAID THE NEXT MEETING IS MARCH 6TH?
>> HERE. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TIME RESCHEDULED OR SOMETHING? THAT'S THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR PLANNING COMMISSION, NOT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
IT'S THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
>> IT DOESN'T INVOLVE THAT MEETING?
>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SHOW UP.
>> THANK YOU. LOTS OF GOOD WORK. ITEM B.
>> ITEM B. YOU FOLKS ARE WELCOME TO STAY.
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>> LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO IN TERMS OF SITTING DOWN AND MEETING AND WE'LL GET SOMETHING SETUP IN THE BOARDROOM.
>> MY APOLOGIZE FOR MISSING THE MEETING.
>> I KNEW I WAS GOING TO GET PUT IN A TIGHT SPOT.
[B.]
THE REASON WE'VE REQUESTED THIS IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO COME IF WE HAVE AGENDA ITEMS. WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE RIGHT NOW IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AGENDA ITEMS, BUT THAT IS A BIG JASPER COUNTY EVENT THAT MORNING.
WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST IF EVERYBODY WOULD BE AVAILABLE AT 01:00 OR 2:00 IN THE AFTERNOON TO MOVE THE MEETING TO THAT TIME.
>> 1:00 OR 2:00, IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU.
>> THAT SHOULD BE OKAY WITH ME.
>> IF YOU COULD MAKE THAT MOTION SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET THAT, AND THEN WE'LL SEND OUT A NOTIFICATION THAT'S MOVED TO 1:00.
>> WHATEVER'S EASIEST FOR YOU.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE RESCHEDULED THE MARCH MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR 1:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.
>> I HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THE MATCH MEETING TO 1:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.
>> WHY DIDN'T THAT FIRST ONE GO LIKE THIS? WHEN I SAW THE PEOPLE COME IN, I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE.
THAT'S GOOD. I GUESS YOU'RE UP, KATIE.
>> YEAH, I'LL JUST COMBINE THESE TWO, THE CURRENT PROJECTS UPDATES AND THE COUNCIL UPDATES.
[UPDATE ON RECENT APPLICATIONS FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL]
THEY OVERLAP.YOU'RE PROBABLY ALL AWARE THE YMCA GROUNDBREAKING TOOK PLACE LAST MONTH.
WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT THAT IS MOVING FORWARD.
SOME APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAVE PENDING RIGHT NOW, NEW STATION 82 THAT YOU APPROVED THE REZONING FOR.
THAT'S GOING THROUGH STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE.
THEN WE HAVE MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF INITIAL INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE CAR TRACT.
THOSE ARE ALL CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW IN DIFFERENT STAGES WITH STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE.
ALSO, AS OF THIS WEEK, ALL PHASES OF HERON POINT ARE AT SOME POINT IN THE STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE PROCESS.
THAT'S THAT GATEWAY CROSSING TO FINO DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL GIVE SOME MORE ATTAINABLE HOUSING TO THE AREA.
THEN THE LAST MEETING, YOU HAD THE TWO REZONINGS FOR A PORTION OF GATEWAY CROSSINGS IN THAT SUMTER DRIVE AREA.
THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AT FIRST READING, SO IT'S GOING TO SECOND READING OF COUNCIL ON THE 20TH.
MORGAN, THERE WAS A WORKSHOP AND FIRST READING WILL BE ON THE 20TH.
HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST, FIRST READING WILL BE ON THE 20TH AS WELL.
THEN YOU ALSO HAD RIVER ROCK EASY LIVING, THAT HAS MOVED FORWARD ON FIRST READING, BUT HAS SOME WORK TO DO BEFORE SECOND READING.
THEY ARE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR SECOND READING ON MARCH 20TH, PENDING THOSE BUFFER CHANGES THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING.
THAT WAS HEARD AND IS BEING WORKED ON.
AS I SPOKE TO MR. TALBOT ABOUT BEFORE THE MEETING, WE WILL GET YOU ADDED TO THE AGENDA DISTRIBUTION LISTS FOR CITY COUNCIL STUFF.
IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO BE ON THERE, YOU CAN JUST LET ME KNOW.
BUT THAT WAY, YOU WILL KNOW ABOUT EVERY WORKSHOP, MEETING, EVERY ITEM, EVEN STUFF THAT DOESN'T COME TO YOU.
>> I THINK THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE THEN WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE IF WE WANT TO ATTEND OR NOT.
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>> CORRECT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TODAY.
I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR THOUGHT AND WORK ON THIS ONE.
I KNOW IT WAS TRICKY BECAUSE IT'S THE FIRST REZONING THAT REALLY HAS TO DO WITH THESE TRANSIT ZONES IN THE NEW ORDINANCE.
>> IT WAS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE.
I HAVE A QUESTION, KATIE, AND THIS IS A GENERAL QUESTION.
I KNOW THERE HAS TO BE A 10-FOOT SETBACK.
LET'S SAY, LATITUDE LAKES, I'M BUILDING A HOUSE.
I KNOW I HAVE TO HAVE A 10-FOOT SETBACK.
DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE THE CONCRETE FOR THE DRIVEWAY? BECAUSE WHAT I WAS ASKED, AND IT'S THE LOT NEXT TO ME.
THE WAY THEY HAVE TO POSITION THEIR HOUSE, IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET INTO THE GARAGE.
THEY WANT TO KNOW, CAN THEY TAKE A TURN LANE ALMOST TO THE PROPERTY LINE?
>> IF YOU WANT TO ADJOURN, I CAN DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU. I'D BE HAPPY TO.
>> ANY OTHER COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS?
>> I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
[COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS]
[ADJOURNMENT]
>> AYE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.