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SINCE I JUST HAD SURGERY AND I'M UNDER THE INFLUENCEUM, AND IN AN EFFORT TO LEARN SOMETHING, I'M GONNA BE TURNING THE CHAIR OVER TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM, MRS. VALERIE GUZMAN, AND I'M GOING TO SIT BACK AND BE AS QUIET AS I CAN.
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW ME, IT'S USUALLY NOT TOO QUIET.
BUT HAVING SAID THAT, MRS. GUZMAN, YOU HAVE THE CHAIR.
[I. CALL TO ORDER]
OKAY, SO I'M GONNA CALL THIS MEETING, UH, TO ORDER.THIS IS THE CITY OF HARVILLE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP 2 0 5 MAIN STREET, HARDY, SOUTH CAROLINA 2 9 9 2 7.
TUESDAY, FOUR FEBRUARY, 2025 AT 3:00 PM THIS IS AN INFORMATIVE WORKSHOP ONLY, NO VOTING WILL TAKE PLACE TODAY.
UH, THE RULES OF ORDER ARE RELAXED WITH NO ORDER OF SPEAKING.
UH, THE ONLY THING I ASK IS, UM, TO LET THE CURRENT SPEAKER FINISH SPEAKING BEFORE ASKING YOUR QUESTION.
[II. MANAGER’S REPORT]
MADAM MAYOR PRO TEM.SO, AS INDICATED TODAY IS A WORKSHOP SESSION.
UM, SO IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN HEAR FROM YOU ABOUT WHAT ARE YOUR QUESTIONS, WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS, AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY AND ADDRESS THOSE BY AND LARGE, EITHER AT TODAY'S MEETING OR AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING WHEN THESE ITEMS COME FORMALLY BEFORE COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.
SO AGAIN, THERE'S GONNA BE NO ACTION, NO VOTES TAKEN TODAY, BUT THE PURPOSE OF TODAY IS TO EXCHANGE INFORMATION, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, AND THEN TO POSITION THIS ITEM FOR ACTION AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING ONCE ALL THAT INFORMATION'S BEEN DISCUSSED BY EVERYBODY.
SO TODAY WE'RE GONNA START WITH HAVING STAFF COME UP AND KIND OF INTRODUCE THIS MATTER, TALK ABOUT IT, WHERE IT'S COME FROM, PROCEDURALLY TEE IT UP IN TERMS OF THE DETAILS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT, AND THEN WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANTS TO KIND OF HAVE THEM WALK THROUGH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WHAT IS BEING REVIEWED TODAY.
UM, SO SORRY, SHE'S LOOKING TO THE CORNER AND WE CAN'T FIND IT.
WELL, WHILE WE WORK TO FIND ANOTHER POINTER, I JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THIS PROCESS TAKES MULTIPLE STEPS.
IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR TO BUILDING A CAKE.
YOU KNOW, FIRST YOU BRING THE INGREDIENTS TOGETHER, THEN YOU PUT THE CAKE IN THE OVEN, AND THEN YOU DECORATE THE CAKE.
SO, WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY AND LOOKING AT THIS IS LOOKING AT THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WHICH AT A VERY
[A. CONSIDERATION OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR]
HIGH LEVEL DISCUSSES ALL OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WILL BE GOING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY ITSELF, NOT NECESSARILY WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE POSITIONED AND WHAT THE LAYOUT'S GONNA BE, BUT JUST TALKING AT A HIGH LEVEL ABOUT THE TYPES OF USES THAT ARE GONNA GO IN THAT, UM, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.AND THEN THE SECOND PORTION IS THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN, WHICH FOR OUR PURPOSES, THEY REALLY FI FOCUS IS ON INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT'LL COME UP LATER ON ABOUT AMENITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT REALLY WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT COMES AS PART OF A FUTURE PHASE WHEN THEY REALLY START DOING MASTER PLANS OF THE ACTUAL INDIVIDUAL, UH, DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE LARGER PARCEL.
SO, UM, JUST SETTING THE TONE AND CONTEXT FOR WHAT WE ARE GONNA BE DISCUSSING TODAY.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MS. KATIE.
OKAY, SO YES, THIS IS, THIS IS A WORKSHOP FOR TWO APPLICATIONS, UM, OVERALL PDD AS JOSH SAID, AND THEN THE FIRST MASTER PLAN.
UM, SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ALL THE AREAS OUTLINED IN RED HERE ARE THE PROPERTY, THE COMPLETE PROPERTY.
SO YOU HAVE 2 78 JOHN SMITH ROAD 46.
UM, YOU HAVE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS, THE CAR TRACK DOWN HERE, MARGARITAVILLE HERE, UM, MILLSTONE LANDING HERE.
UM, SO, AND THEN SOUTH POINT ACROSS THE WAY.
THIS WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2006.
UM, IT DID INCLUDE A VARIETY OF USES.
SO I'M GOING TO GO, THIS IS THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN.
SO THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT THEY HAVE REARRANGED SOME OF THE USES AND CUT OUT INDUSTRIAL.
ALL RIGHT, SO APPROXIMATELY 2,629 ACRES, UM, RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE, COMMERCIAL OPEN SPACE AND PARK FACILITIES.
YEAH, UM, A MAXIMUM OF 6,700 UNITS AND UP TO 1000 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
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NOW YOU HAVE THE FIRST PROPOSED INITIAL MASTER PLAN, 841 ACRES WITH RESIDENTIAL AMENITIES.OPEN SPACE TOTAL OF 1,344 UNITS.
YOU HAVE, UM, A MULTI-USE TRAIL THAT GOES ALL ALONG THE SPINE ROAD, AS WELL AS SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE PLAN.
AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA INTRODUCE DREW, IF YOU WANNA COME UP AND I'LL GET YOUR, UM, LET'S PUT THE PDF, LET'S PUT THE, UM, PUT PULL THE PDF UP.
OH, SHOOT, I GOT THIS AS, AS THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT.
I JUST WANNA ONE MORE TIME REITERATE THAT IT'S TWO DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, REALLY THREE WITH THE, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT THE OVERALL PDD AND THEN THIS ONE MASTER PLAN.
SO, UM, BUT WE'LL GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENCE AND I'M SURE DREW'S GOT LOTS OF INFORMATION ON THAT.
THIS WORKS NOW THE CLICKER IN, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA GET THE, UM, OTHER EXHIBIT UP.
UM, WE ARE, UH, ONE OF THE ENGINEERS ON THE MORGAN TRACK PROJECT.
UM, I ALSO HAVE WITH ME, UM, LAMAR MERCER WITH THOMAS HUTTON, UM, AND JENNIFER BEAL, UM, WITH BEAL ENGINEERING.
UM, JENNIFER HAS, UM, DONE, UM, A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC, UM, TRAFFIC STUDIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT, UM, WORKING WITH THE CITY, WORKING WITH S-C-D-O-T, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF AS WELL.
UM, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GO THROUGH, GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHERE MORTGAGE TRACK IS TODAY, UM, WHAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES IN THE PDDR.
UM, KIND OF OUTLINE THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR IT, UM, AND JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH REALLY SOME OF OUR, OUR CONCERNS AND, UM, AND HOW WE PLAN TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
UM, SO A, AS KATIE SAID, THE, UM, THE CURRENT MORGAN TRACT, UM, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND PDD, UM, WERE ORIGINALLY ADOPTED IN 2006.
UM, AND THAT IN THAT DOCUMENT, THERE ARE A LOT OF STANDARDS THAT WERE, WERE IN PLACE AT THE TIME THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT WAS DONE, THAT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND DEA WERE DONE.
UM, SO OLDER STORMWATER STANDARDS, UM, OLDER BUFFER STANDARDS, UH, UM, TRAFFIC STANDARD, LIKE, I MEAN, EVERYTHING ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES IN THE CITY.
UM, THERE'S BEEN ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT SINCE THEN.
UM, SO THIS, THIS, UM, PDD REALLY REALLY TRIES TO BRING, BRING THAT AGREEMENT UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS.
UM, SO A COUPLE JUST HIGHLIGHTED ITEMS ARE ONE TRAFFIC.
UM, OBVIOUSLY, UM, THE CITY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB WITH DOING AN OVERALL TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE ENTIRE AREA, AREA, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT NOT ONLY MORGAN TRACK, BUT ALSO, UM, OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROJECT, UM, EXISTING DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE ALSO DONE OUR OWN TRAFFIC STUDY IN COORDINATION WITH THAT CITY STUDY WITH THE ADJACENT DEVELOPERS AS WELL.
UM, JUST A COUPLE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE MASTER PLAN, UM, FROM THAT ARE THE SPINE ROAD, WHICH, WHICH IS A NORTH SOUTH CONNECTOR ROAD THAT GOES FROM 46 ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH MORGAN TRACK TO US 2 78.
UM, THAT WOULD BE A PUBLIC ROADWAY.
UM, IT WOULD BE A, A BOULEVARD TYPE SECTION.
SO, UM, LANDSCAPE MEDIAN, UM, TWO LANES GOING EACH DIRECTION.
UM, SO THIS, THIS REALLY WOULD BE A, A CONNECTOR FROM WHERE, WHEREAS RIGHT NOW, REALLY THE ONLY CONNECTION BETWEEN 46 AND 2 78, UM, IS JOHN SMITH ROAD.
SO, SO THIS IS, AND, AND THIS, THIS SPINE ROAD IS INCLUDED NOT ONLY IN THE PDD MASTER PLAN, BUT AS WELL AS THE, UM, THE BLOCK.
WE'RE CALLING IT THE BLOCK, A IMP, THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S A PART OF THIS APPLICATION AS WELL.
UM, ALONGSIDE THAT SPINE ROAD IS A 10 FOOT WIDE MULTI-USE PATHWAY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
SO THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, UM, WE DO HAVE IN THE, UM, IN THE PDD THAT SIDEWALKS, THE, ON THE SIDE OF THE STREETS, UM, WE'VE GOT OTHER TRAILS THROUGH, UM, WOODED AREAS, OPEN SPACES, THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, JUST TO KINDA GIVE SOME PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND, AND, UM, UH, DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION OR ALONG THAT SPINE ROAD.
UM, SO THE, THE DEVELOPER HERE ALSO HAS, UM, HAS STEPPED UP TO FUND THE JOHN SMITH
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ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.UM, SO THAT, UM, THAT IS ACTUALLY A MEMBER RANDOM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT WAS PASSED BY COUNCIL, UM, AT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER IMPROVEMENT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
UM, AND THAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S WORKING ON GETTING THAT, GETTING THAT PROCESS ROLLING.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY A GOOD REGIONAL IMPROVEMENT THAT'S COMING FROM, FROM THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN IN COORDINATION WITH S-C-D-O-T.
UM, WE'VE GOT APPROVAL ON OUR ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR ACCESS LOCATIONS FROM THEM.
UM, THEY HAVE APPROVED THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THE STUDY'S BEEN, UM, REVIEWED BY, UM, THE CITY'S ENGINEER, UM, AND OBVIOUSLY APPROVED BY S-C-D-O-T AS WELL.
UM, SO IN, IN FROM, FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, ONE OTHER JUST IMPORTANT ITEM TO NOTE IS, UM, THE FRONTAGE ROAD ALONG SORT OF THIS COMMERCIAL AREA TO THE NORTH OFF OF 2 78.
UM, SO SIMILAR TO THE SPINE ROAD, THAT THAT'S ALSO A PUBLIC ROADWAY, WHICH IT'S PROPOSED TO BE A PUBLIC PUBLIC ROADWAY.
UM, SO REALLY GET, AGAIN, JUST, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM ANY ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS, IT KIND OF KEEPS THAT TRAFFIC INTERNAL TO THE SITE, UM, RATHER THAN SPITTING IT OUT ON US 2 78 AS WELL.
SO, UM, WE ARE, WE ARE TRYING TO PULL AS MUCH AS WE CAN OFF OF THERE AND PROVIDE INTERCONNECTION WITHIN THE MORGAN TRACK WITH THE ROADWAYS, UM, 'CAUSE WE KNOW TRAFFIC'S A CONCERN, THAT'S A CONCERN OF OURS TOO.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE REASON FOR REALLY THIS, UM, THIS ROADWAY NETWORK THAT YOU SEE HERE.
UM, STORMWATER, AS I SAID, THE, THE CURRENT PDD REFERENCES, STORMWATER STANDARDS FROM 2006.
UM, THE CITY ACTUALLY PASSED A NEW ORDINANCE, UM, LAST YEAR, 14, UM, WITH UPDATED STORMWATER STANDARDS.
SO THIS REVISED DOCUMENT, REVISED PDD, UH, INCORPORATES THOSE NEW STORMWATER STANDARDS.
SO IT BRINGS IT UP TO CURRENT, BOTH, BOTH STORMWATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY.
UM, SO THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN THE DOCUMENT.
UM, AND JUST TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT, UM, I KNOW W YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN SOME, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE ISSUES AROUND PINE ARBOR, UM, AND WE'VE DONE, OR THE OWNER HAS DONE A, A COMPREHENSIVE UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM ANALYSIS, UM, TO REALLY STUDY THE ENTIRE AREA FOR STORMWATER.
UM, AND WE HAVE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY IS LOOKING AT THIS AREA.
UM, IF WHEN FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS ARE DONE, WE'VE SIZED INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO, UM, JUST FROM, FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE, SAY REQUIRED TO RIGHT NOW HAVE A 50 YEAR LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR OUR CULVERTS UNDER ROADWAYS, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A HUNDRED YEAR.
UM, SO IT, IT DOES INCREASE THE CULVERT SIZE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BUT IT JUST MAKES SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB IN MAINTAINING, UM, MAINTAINING STORMWATER OUT THERE.
UM, THE LAST, I GUESS, RELATED ITEM I DID JUST WANNA BRING UP IS BUFFERS.
UM, SO THE, THE CURRENT BUFFER IN THE PDD ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE PDD IS, UH, 10 FEET.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO INCREASE THAT TO 50 FEET AT A MINIMUM.
UM, SPECIFICALLY ALONG KIND OF THE EASTERN PROPERTY BOUNDARY HERE.
UM, IF I COULD GO TO, SO IS THERE A WAY TO SWITCH TO THE NEXT YEAH, JUST THE IMP? YEAH, THIS ONE WILL BE FINE.
SO, SO RIGHT NOW, UM, EVERYTHING YOU SEE KIND OF IN GREEN HERE, THESE ARE ALL WETLANDS.
UM, AND THOSE ARE ALL PROPOSED TO STAY WITH THE PROJECT.
SO, AND THOSE REALLY PROVIDE A REALLY LARGE NATURAL BUFFER FOR THE PROPERTY.
SO MOST OF OUR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THIS BLOCK, A IMP, IT'S, IT'S REALLY PUSHED TO THE CENTER, UM, THE AVERAGE BUFFER ALONG HERE, WHEREAS THE MINIMUM IN THE PDD IS 50 FEET, THE AVERAGE IS ACTUALLY CLOSER TO 400 WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THOSE EXISTING, EXISTING WETLANDS.
UM, SO THE, THE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE, WE DON'T WANT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE ANY KIND OF DISTURBANCE TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE, WE ARE TRYING TO BRING OUR LAND PLAN FARTHEST AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, AS WE CAN.
UM, AND THEN I, I KIND OF SPOKE BEFORE ABOUT JUST, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
UM, THE ORANGE LINE ON HERE IS KIND OF THAT 10 FOOT SUPER TRAIL THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, ALL THE WAY DOWN FROM 46 ALL THE WAY UP TO US 2 78.
UM, EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN BLUE IS A SIDEWALK.
AND THEN THERE ARE ALSO TRAILS THROUGHOUT THAT ARE, THAT WOULD BE SORT OF MORE OF A NATURAL, UM, UNPAVED TYPE TRAIL, UM, JUST THROUGHOUT OPEN SPACES.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW WE ARE PROPOSING TO INCREASE OUR OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT TO 40%.
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BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY, IT, IT EXCEEDS THAT.I THINK THIS IS 42%, BUT DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT.
BUT IT, IT DOES EXCEED THAT 40% REQUIREMENT.
UM, UM, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS TO, TO MAKE IT AS NICE OF A COMMUNITY AS AS IT CAN BE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE REASONING FOR UPPING THAT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT.
UM, SO ACTIVE OPEN SPACES, PASSIVE OPEN SPACES, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UM, ONE, ONE IMPORTANT ITEM THAT, AGAIN, THAT WE, WE ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT IS CONSTRUCTION ACCESS.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW, UM, THE ONLY ACCESS TO THE SITE FROM US 2 78 IS THROUGH STRYKER ROAD, WHICH IS ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN, UM, LATITUDE MARGARITAVILLE TO THE EAST AND MORGAN TRACT.
UM, THERE IS ALSO AN ACCESS DOWN OUT HERE ON 46, UM, WHICH, AND THERE ARE DIRT ROADS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY THAT CURRENTLY EXIST TODAY.
UM, IN ORDER TO TRY TO STAY OFF STRIKER ROAD AS MUCH AS WE CAN, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO ESSENTIALLY INITIALLY ACCESS STRYKER ROAD, UM, THROUGH A TEMPORARY DRIVEWAY THAT WE DO HAVE A, UM, PERMIT FROM A-C-D-O-T FOR A TEMPORARY DRIVEWAY.
IT ULTIMATELY WOULD BE REMOVED IT, WHICH WOULD CONNECT TO STRYKER AND THEN HAVE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC COME SOUTH THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN ACCESS IT OFF OF STRYKER ROAD.
OBVIOUSLY, UM, OUR END GOAL WITH CONSTRUCTION ACCESS IS TO GET IT OFF OF STRYKER ROAD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY RIGHT NOW THE SITE IS ABOUT SEVEN FEET LOWER THAN US, 2 78.
SO IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THAT ACCESS TO GET THE TRUCKS OFF OF STRYKER ROAD, UM, WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO USE THAT FOR AT LEAST INITIALLY.
UM, ONCE THESE OTHER ACCESSES ARE BUILT AND THE SPINE ROAD IS FULLY CONSTRUCTED, THAT'S WHEN WE CAN PULL THEM OFF COMPLETELY.
UM, AND I'VE GOT SOME THINGS WE COULD GO THROUGH ONCE, AS WE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS COME UP, JUST KIND OF SHOWING THAT PROGRESSION, TIMELINES FOR THAT KIND OF STUFF, IF YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT.
UM, I THINK THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MOST OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT I REALLY WANTED TO GO THROUGH.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I MEAN THIS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS PROJECT REALLY IS, IN MY OPINION, AT LEAST FROM, FROM A TRANSPORTATION PERSPECTIVE, UM, REALLY GONNA PROVIDE A GOOD BENEFIT, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT SPINE ROAD, PROVIDING THAT ADDITIONAL CONNECTION, JOHN SMITH ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, SO I GUESS WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE.
UM, UM, I'M GONNA START WITH QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL AND I'LL START WITH MR. AMUSEMENT TO MY RIGHT.
UM, I GOT QUITE A LENGTHY LIST OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.
UM, SOME ARE MINE, SOME WERE BROUGHT TO ME BY RESIDENTS, UH, OF, UH, LATITUDE AND RESIDENCE OF HARDY V.
UH, FIRST OFF IS THE ACCESS TO 2 78 SAFETY, UM, YOUR MAIN SPINE ROAD, IS THAT GOING TO, UH, ACCESS, UH, RIGHT ACROSS FROM BRICKYARD ROAD? UH, THE MAIN SPINE ROAD WILL NOT THE MAIN THERE.
THERE'S ACTUALLY ANOTHER, UM, MEDIAN CUT TO THE WEST OF BRICKYARD ROAD.
THAT'S WHERE THE MAIN SPINE ROAD WILL BE.
UM, THERE IS A, AN A AN ACCESS POINT OVER HERE.
AND FOR THE, JUST THE FIRST PHASE, BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE TO GET SOME WETLAND PERMITTING THROUGH FOR THE, TO FINALIZE THE SPINE ROAD.
UM, ONCE THAT WETLAND PERMIT IS FINALIZED, THAT'S WHEN THAT WILL COME IN.
THE INITIAL ACCESS ROAD WILL BE FROM THE EAST, WHICH IS AT THAT BRICKYARD INTERSECTION.
WILL THE, UH, SPINE ROAD ACCESS TO 2 78 BE SIGNALED? UH, YES.
I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT STARTED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND WE, FOR SAFETY REASONS ESPECIALLY, YES.
AND, UM, WE HAVE APPLIED FOR THE WETLAND PERMIT TO BUILD THAT SPINE ROAD.
UM, AND RIGHT NOW, UM, IT'S LOOKING LIKE 2026 IS WHEN IT'S SCHEDULED FOR.
OBVIOUSLY THAT IS DEPENDENT UPON THE REVIEW AGENCIES.
THE REASON THAT IS GONNA BE SO IMPORTANT IS YOU MOVE FORWARD AND YOU'RE BUILDING FAMILY HOMES IN THERE.
THAT WILL BE THE ACCESS TO THE SCHOOL DOWN ON RED DAM ROAD.
UH, THERE'S GONNA BE FAMILIES USING THAT ENTRANCE AND SCHOOL BUSES.
SO SAFETY HAS GOT TO BE A PRIORITY FOR EVERYBODY, RESIDENTS, CHILDREN, EVERYBODY ELSE THERE.
UM, 'CAUSE 2 78, BASICALLY ACCORDING TO DOT, IS CLOSE TO FAILURE AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW.
TWO 70 EIGHT'S GONNA BE A, UH, A PRIORITY WITH, UH, THE SALES TAX IMPROVEMENT.
SO BE AWARE OF THOSE ARE GONNA COME ON.
UM, YOUR ACCESS FOR STRYKER ROAD,
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UH, THAT YOU'RE, THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, CURRENT ACCESS TO IT THAT IS BEING USED BY MINTO IS, UH, ACTUALLY ON THE MORGAN PROPERTY.AND I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY MINTO FOLKS THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO SECURE SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT TO CONTINUE USING THAT ROAD.
START THAT AGAIN ABOUT, I, I MISSED IT.
THE STRYKER ROAD, THE CURRENT ACCESS IS ON THE MORGAN PROPERTY.
UM, I'M NOT, NOT THE MORGAN, BUT, UH, THE SUTTON PROPERTY.
UH, MINTO IS WORKING WITH, UH, SUTTON TO TRY TO SECURE CONTINUED ACCESS TO THAT IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE MINTO FOLKS.
I KNOW WHERE YOUR ROAD COMES OUT ONTO 2 78 RIGHT THERE.
UM, IS THAT GONNA BE A RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT ONLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF A CROSSOVER, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT WOULD BE A RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT ONLY AND YOUR LOGGING TRUCKS AND, AND YOUR HEAVY CONSTRUCTION WILL BE USING THAT AS YOU'RE CLEAR THE, THE LAND IN THESE FIRST PHASES? I, I INITIALLY, YES.
UM, AND SO I CAN KIND OF GO THROUGH, THIS IS OUR AT LEAST CONSTRUCTION ACCESS KIND OF PLAN THAT WE HAVE HERE MM-HMM
UM, AND AS I SAID, SO, SO RIGHT NOW THIS IS OUR PHASE ONE ENTRANCE ROAD.
SO THIS IS BRICKY YARD ROAD RIGHT HERE.
AND WE'RE PROPOSING AT LEAST INITIALLY TO CUT THROUGH HERE.
UM, AND THEN ONCE OUR WETLAND IMPACT PERMIT IS APPROVED, THIS WOULD BE THE MAIN SPINE ROAD ACCESS SORT OF RIGHT THERE.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW THE, THERE, THERE'S A DIRT ROAD IN MORGAN TRACK THAT KIND OF, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT IN THIS AREA.
THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE, BUT IT DOES STOP BEFORE IT GETS TO 2 78.
AND THERE'S ABOUT A SEVEN FOOT GRADE TRAIN CHANGE BETWEEN 2 78 AND THIS DOWN HERE.
SO IN ORDER FOR TRUCKS TO EVEN UTILIZE THIS, THEY REALLY HAVE TO BUILD UP THIS ROAD.
UM, AND SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROPOSING JUST TO USE STRYKER INITIALLY WITH THAT RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT AS WELL AS, UM, ALL THE WAY DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
THERE'S ANOTHER ACCESS ALONG 46 6.
THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT IS ALL IS GOING TO BE A CONCERN.
IT'S A HEAVILY TRAFFICKED AREA.
UH, IF YOU'VE TRAVELED THAT AREA IN THE MORNING BETWEEN EIGHT AND NINE O'CLOCK.
YOU CAN'T TRAVEL IT, YOU JUST CRAWL THROUGH IT.
THAT'S THE, THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT.
SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE A, A SAFETY CONCERN.
UM, SO INITIALLY YOU WILL BE USING STRYKER ROAD, CORRECT? YES.
AND INITIALLY THEY WILL BE USING STRYKER ROAD.
UM, IF I CAN GO TO, SO THIS IS SORT, THIS WOULD BE AFTER THIS, THIS INITIAL ACCESS IS BUILT MM-HMM
SO ONCE THIS IS BUILT, AND THIS WOULD BE, UM, I THINK WE HAVE ON HERE DATES.
I THINK WE PUT WHAT WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT 2027 FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION.
UM, ONCE THIS IS ACTUALLY AVAILABLE, THAT WILL BE THE PRIMARY ACCESS AFTER NEIL ABANDONED CUT.
I KNOW STRYKER WILL BE USED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS BY THE CAR TRACK TOO, SO WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT.
UM, AS YOU, UM, USE INITIALLY USE STRYKER ROAD BEING IT SHARED ACCESS WITH, UH, MINTO CONCERN OF THE RESIDENTS, MY CONCERN AND A LOT OF 'EM IS MAINTAINING THAT ROAD, UH, WITH, UM, FOR DUST CONTROL AND, UH, SMOOTHING IT OUT.
NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR THE BANGING OF TRUCKS ON A WASHBOARD ROAD.
UM, THOSE SAME CONCERNS HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED TO MINTO ALSO.
SO WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU ALL ANYTHING I WOULDN'T ASK OF THEM FOR THAT.
SO MAINTAINING THAT ROAD IS, IS GOING TO BE A PRIORITY.
UM, YOUR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC PRIOR TO 7:00 AM AND AFTER 7:00 PM UM, THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, CORRECT.
YOUR, YOUR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, YOUR LOGGING AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS A 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM ACCESS.
I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT'S ALLOWED BY THE CITY IF OKAY.
'CAUSE IT WILL BE MONITORED I'M SURE BY THE RESIDENTS AND THEY, THEY WILL LET US KNOW.
I, I WILL SAY ON WE, WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO JUST WORK WITH DOT 'CAUSE WE ARE, UM, TO BUILD THIS ACCESS, WE'LL REQUIRE JUST SOME, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC CONTROL TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING SAFELY FOR US 2 78.
UM, AND AT THIS TIME WE'RE JUST NOT THAT FAR ALONG TO KNOW AT LEAST HOURS OF WHEN THAT WORK WOULD WOULD HAPPEN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO I, I DO WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT OKAY.
UM, COMPLETION OF THE SPINE ROAD TO 46 OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH, UH, SPECIFICALLY THE CAR TRACK, THEY ARE TO BUILD, THEY'RE BA UH, THEY AGREED FOR CONSTRUCTION OF LIMITED NUMBER OF HOMES BEFORE THE ACCESS ROAD IS COMPLETED TO 46.
AND THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EVEN ISSUE BE ISSUED A PERMIT PA IF THEY, IF THEY, UH, MISS THAT DATE.
AS WE COME FURTHER AHEAD, I WILL BE
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REQUESTING THE SAME OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND I WILL REQUEST IT OF EVERY DEVELOPMENT AS IT COMES ALONG TO HAVE A DROP DEAD DATE ON COMPLETION OR A LIMIT OF NUMBER OF RESIDENCES PRIOR TO IT.UM, JUST, I'M PUTTING THAT OUT THERE JUST SO, YEAH.
AND THIS, THIS WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT.
I, I BELIEVE IT'S APPROXIMATELY, I I DON'T KNOW THE, THE EXACT NUMBER OF, OF DEVELOPMENT UNITS, BUT IT DOES DICTATE A, A SPECIFIC NUMBER, UM, OF UNITS THAT CAN BE BUILT AND MOVED INTO UNTIL ADDITIONAL ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED.
SO YEAH, I'M NOT TALKING BUILD I'M TALKING PERMITS ISSUED TOO, RIGHT? YES.
YOU, THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE THE PERMIT WON'T BE ISSUED UNTIL, SO THAT'S JUST, SO THAT'S OUT THERE.
UM, UH, YOU COULD ASK YOUR, YOUR TIMELINE, I'M NOT GONNA GO THERE 'CAUSE YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW, HOW THAT'S GONNA COME ALONG.
BUT YOUR CONNECTION WITH YOUR, UH, INTERNAL ROADS TO, UH, THE CAR TRACK, THERE IS A PROVISION WITHIN THE CAR TRACK FOR A CONNECTING ROAD INTO MORGAN FOR, UH, EMERGENCY ACCESS FOR POLICE FIRE IN THOSE, DO YOU HAVE INTERNAL ROADS BUILT IN TO YOUR, INTO THE DEVELOPMENT? YES.
TO, UH, SPECIFICALLY THAT ROAD YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IT'S ACTUALLY THIS ONE HERE.
SO THAT ONE IS INCLUDED IN THIS AND IT'S, IT'S SPECIFICALLY OUTLINED IN THE PDD AS WELL.
UM, SO YES, THAT, THAT'S INCLUDED.
UM, YOU MENTIONED YOUR PROPERTY SETBACK, UH, 50 FEET.
UM, AS YOU BUILD, YOU'RE FURTHER DOWN INTO YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
50 FEET IS NOT, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD AREA.
MINTO ON THEIR SIDE, THEY HAVE 50 FEET, UH, AND THEY HAVE A BERM AND THEN YOU HAVE A 20 FOOT SHARED ROADWAY OF STRYKER ROAD, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 50 FEET ON YOUR SIDE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON YOURS WHERE THESE TWO DEVELOPMENTS ACTUALLY MEET STRYKER ROAD TOGETHER, FENCING SOMETHING FOR PRIVACY.
YOU HAVE A FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THERE AND MINTO HAS A 55 PLUS AND JUST WANNA MAKE IT AS SAFE AND AS ENJOYABLE FOR ALL RESIDENTS ON BOTH SIDES.
I WOULD HATE TO SEE CHILDREN ON STRYKER ROAD WITH, UH, CONSTRUCTION BEING DONE IN THE CAR TRACK.
SO I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE, PLEASE CONSIDER FENCING ALONG WHERE THOSE TWO, UH, I GUESS YOUR, I WOULD CALL 'EM PODS INTERSECT.
YOU CAN SEE ALONG IN YOUR MAPPING RIGHT THERE WHERE, UH, SOME OF THEM, UM, I SEE PHASE FOUR OF, UM, LATITUDE AND IF YOU SCROLL DOWN YOU'LL CONNECT WITH PHASE SIXES AND EIGHT.
AND I KNOW AS A PART OF THE PDD AS WELL, UM, NEW LANDSCAPE STANDARDS WERE ADOPTED BY THE CITY, UM, IN 2024.
SO THOSE, THOSE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS ARE BROUGHT FORWARD TO THIS PDD.
SO THAT INCLUDES LIKE THE DENSITY OF PLANTINGS, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT NECESSARILY THE LATITUDE ONE, I'M NOT, I'M NOT GONNA ASK YOU THAT.
I JUST WANNA SAY LET'S CONSIDER EVERYBODY BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE IDEA FOR THAT.
UM, YOUR, WITHIN YOUR DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE ON, YOUR INITIAL, UH, MASTER PLAN, YOU DO HAVE POCKET PARKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUILT IN ALONG THE ROAD, ALONG, UM, YOUR SPINE ROAD.
SO EVERYTHING YOU SEE HERE, SO WE'VE ESSENTIALLY THIS ORANGE LINE HERE, SO THIS IS, THIS IS THAT 10 FOOT TRAIL THAT I WAS KINDA TALKING ABOUT.
SO THAT GOES ALL THE WAY NORTH SOUTH.
EVERYTHING IN KIND OF A LIGHT GREEN HERE WOULD BE, UH, OPEN SPACE, UM, POCKET PARK, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO THERE ARE A FEW OF THOSE KIND OF SCATTERED THROUGHOUT.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT A LARGE AMENITY DOWN HERE, ANOTHER ONE OVER HERE.
SORRY, THIS IS A LITTLE TRICKY TO NAVIGATE AS THESE PODS ARE BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL.
I, I WILL BRING THAT QUESTION UP AGAIN.
UH, FOR, FOR DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THE BLUE LINE OR SIDEWALK.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO PUT SIDEWALK, UM, THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY TOO, JUST FOR THAT PEDESTRIAN INTERCONNECTIVITY AS WELL.
WE'VE, AT THE COMPLETION OF THE SPINE ROAD, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, SECURING YOUR CONSTRUCTION ROAD.
UM, WHEN THE GATES ARE, IT'S NOT SECURED ON THE WEEKENDS.
THERE'S BEEN EVERYTHING YOU COULD THINK OF ACCESSING STRYKER ROAD, ATVS, MOTORCYCLES, JEEPS, YOU NAME IT.
UM, THAT'S GONNA BE A REAL, THAT'S GONNA BE A CONCERN.
YOU MUST SECURE YOUR ROAD BECAUSE THERE AGAIN, THAT ROAD ALSO GIVES ACCESS TO THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN PHASE FOUR WILL LIVE IN PHASE SIX AND PHASE EIGHT.
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UM, I REQUESTED THE SAME THING OF MINTO, YOU, YOU KNOW, IT, UH, MAKE IT SAFE SO THOSE RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE TO WORRY.UH, AS, AS I MENTIONED, LATITUDE IS A DEVELOPMENT OF 55 PLUS.
LET'S ALL WORK TO MAKE THIS GOOD NEIGHBORS AND SAFE FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, AS YOU, AS THE COUNCIL COMES, YOU'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS THAT I'VE PUT FORTH TODAY AND I'LL PROBABLY HAVE MORE FROM THE RESIDENTS, UM, AS AS WE COME THROUGH.
BUT YOU KNOW, THEY LIVE THERE, THEY'RE ALREADY THERE.
DON'T, DON'T, LET'S NOT DISTURB THEM ALL.
AND OUR, AND OUR GOAL TOO WITH THIS IS, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE WANT, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, HIC MORGAN WANTS THE SURE.
S COMMUNITY WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE OH ABSOLUTELY.
NOT ONLY THEIR RESIDENTS, BUT EVERYONE ELSE ABS.
UM, THE 2 78 ACCESS WILL BE A CONCERN, UM, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT.
UM, THE, THE LOGGING IS GOING TO BE IMMENSE FOR A WHILE FROM BOTH DEVELOPMENTS.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, I JUST HOPE THAT WE DON'T CREATE PROBLEMS WITH, WITH ALL OF THAT.
AND, AND JUST, I I KNOW THIS IS NO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DEVELOPER OF THIS PROPERTY HAS AGREED AGAIN TO, 'CAUSE I MEAN, TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ARGUE THAT OR ANYTHING.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE JOHN SMITH ROAD INTERSECTION IS A CONCERN.
SO THEY HAVE AGREED TO, TO FULLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE STEPPED UP TO FUND THAT ENTIRE INTERSECTION MM-HMM
UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE DONE.
UM, SO THEY'RE WILLING TO STEP UP AND, AND GET IT DONE.
IF, IF ROADS COULD FALL OUT OF THE SKY AND PUT A SPINE ROAD IN TOMORROW, I'D BE AS HAPPY AS COULD BE.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE.
I HAVE A FEW, STEVE ACTUALLY ADDRESSED IT.
ONE OR TWO IMPORTANT ONE WAS THAT, THAT I HAD, UM, ONE BEING THE SPINE ROAD TO HELP TRAFFIC.
AND HE REITERATED WHAT I, I WAS GONNA REITERATE ABOUT PERMITS BEING ISSUED UNTIL YOU ASSURE US ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF, OF, OF THAT FINE ROAD BECAUSE, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE A SERIOUS, SERIOUS, SIR, I THOUGHT I HAD IT ON CINDY.
SHE'LL DO THAT IF YOU DON'T WATCH HER.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF MY, UM, IMPORTANT POINTS.
WE HAVE GOT TO WORK ON THAT SPINE ROAD.
TO ME THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL ELEMENTS OF THIS TO, UM, ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. AND I DID, I WAS IMPRESSED WHEN YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD DONE YOUR OWN TRAFFIC STUDY SO MANY TIMES AND WE HAVE DEALT WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN AND THEY'LL SAY, WE DID DEVELOPMENTS, UM, STUDY FOR US, BUT THEN YOU GOT SOMEBODY HERE AND SOMEBODY HERE AND NOBODY COORDINATED, UH, ALL THREE OF YOU OR HOW MANY THAT ARE, UM, COMING IN.
ALL OF YOU'RE GONNA BE USING THE ROAD, SO YOU SHOULD BE A COORDINATED STUDY.
SO I WAS IMPRESSED THAT YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU KNEW ABOUT THE EXISTING STUDY AND THAT, UM, YOU HAD ALSO DONE YOUR OWN STUDY.
SO THAT, THAT'S TO ME, THAT SHOWS GOOD STEWARDSHIP.
UM, ALSO YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE STORMWATER STUDY AND THE 100 YEAR, UM, FLOODPLAIN, WHATEVER.
AND UH, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THAT HARDY, UM, HAD US, I GUESS PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO WHEN WE HAD THE FLOOD AND STUFF THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, LOTS OF, I GUESS BROWN AND SOME OF THE OTHERS, UM, PUBLIC WORKS, WHATEVER, HAVE, UM, TRYING TO WORK ON PINE ARB ROAD WITH THE, UM, FLOOD AND SOME OF THE, UM, I THINK PUMP STATIONS AND I KNOW THE, UM, CULVERTS, THE, UH, DIAMETER WASN'T BIG ENOUGH.
AND I NOTICED THAT YOU AND YOUR TALK WHILE AGO ACTUALLY MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE GONNA INCREASE THE SIZE OF SOME OF YOUR CULPRITS BECAUSE YOU WERE AWARE OF THE HARDY V PROBLEM WITH POND ARBOR ROAD.
AND THAT TO ME THAT WAS ALSO VERY IMPRESSIVE.
WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SHOW ME? YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY A LOT OF THAT AREA DR.
ULTIMATELY DRAINS THROUGH OUR, THIS WETLAND SYSTEM THROUGH MORGAN TRACK RIGHT.
UM, AND SO YOU COULD SEE WE ARE CROSSING THAT WITH OUR SPINE ROAD.
SO OUR, OUR DRAINAGE STUDY THAT WE DID, IT INCORPORATES ALL OF THIS UPSTREAM AREA AND IT ACTUALLY ALSO GOES DOWNSTREAM THROUGH CAR TRACK, THROUGH LATITUDE AS WELL.
SO IT, IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, AND IT, IT DOES ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, AS DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS OCCUR, THESE CULVERTS HAVE BEEN SIZED TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE INCREASED FLOW AND SEE THAT, TO ME THAT WAS, THAT'S A BIG HELP BECAUSE,
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YOU KNOW, THAT SHOWS THAT YOU ARE GONNA WORK WITH, WITH THE CITY PEOPLE BECAUSE WE'LL ALREADY HAVE A ISSUE.WE DON'T NEED SOMETHING ON TOP OF THAT.
SO, UM, I I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE WITH THAT.
UM, LET'S SEE, CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, STEVE, UM, PRETTY WELL DEALT WITH THAT AND HE ACTUALLY IS MORE FAMILIAR WITH THAT THAN I AM.
BUT ANYWAY, YOU DID ADDRESS THAT, THOSE CONCERNS FOR ME.
AND, UM, UM, ALSO STRIKER ROAD, I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THAT AND STEVE PRETTY WELL HANDLED THAT TOO.
MR. WHITE, I THINK JOHN AND, UH, STEVE HAVE COVERED THE MAJOR POINTS I WOULD'VE RAISED.
SO NOT TO REITERATE OR BE REDUNDANT, BUT THOSE ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT IN THE SAFETY ISSUE IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU'RE HEARING LOUD AND CLEAR.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND A LOT OF THEM ARE GOING TO DEAL MAINLY WITH STORM WATER ISSUES.
UM, WHAT FLOOD ZONE IS YOUR PROJECT IN? UM, IT'S A PORTION OF, IT'S IN ZONE AE.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WITHIN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN.
UM, AND THAT, THAT ESSENTIALLY JUST TO, I'M OVERSIMPLIFYING IT, BUT THAT DOES FOLLOW ESSENTIALLY OUR WETLAND BOUNDARY FOR THE MOST PART, THAT LINE, UM, THE REMAINDER IN IT IS EITHER IN ZONE X SHADED, WHICH IS WITHIN THE 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN OR ZONE X UNSHADED, WHICH IS OUTSIDE THE FIVE.
UM, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE IN ZONE AE, UH, THERE'S A, IT'S CONSIDERED A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA.
SO WHICH MEANS, UM, THAT YOUR PROJECT IS GONNA HAVE A PERMIT FROM THE COUNTY NATIONAL FLOODPLAIN INSURANCE PROGRAM MANAGER BEFORE ANY IMPACTS CAN OCCUR TO THE AQUATIC RESOURCES AND THE ASSOCIATED FLOODPLAINS ON SITE.
WE'LL WE, WE'VE, WE'LL HAVE TO APPLY FOR OUR PERMITS, WHICH IS SO THROUGH THE CITY OF HARVILLE, I GUESS YOU ALL PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROGRAM, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO IT WOULD BE REVIEWED THROUGH THAT AS WELL.
AND THAT HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE ANY KIND OF FILLED OUT GOES IN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? CORRECT? YES.
UM, SO AS A CONDITION IN YOUR PERMIT PERTAINING TO FILL MATERIAL AND FLOOD WATERS, UM, IT, IT REQUIRES THAT THE CONVEYANCE SYSTEM BE DESIGNED BY A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER DESIGN CRITERIA TO PASS PRE-DEVELOPMENT FLOW RATES AT 10 50 AND 100 YEAR EVENTS.
SO DUE TO THE POTENTIAL FOR IMPACT TO THE OTHER PROPERTIES, UH, THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS WILL CONSIDER ANY NON-COMPLIANCE TO BE A SERIOUS VIOLATION AND MAYBE GROUNDS FOR SUSPENSION MODIFICATION OR REVOCATION OF THAT PERMIT.
AND THAT'S, AS I SAID, WE'VE WE'RE SIZING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT.
THOSE STORM EVENTS, INCLUDING THAT 100 YEAR STORM EVENT.
SO MY THING IS TO, UM, EITHER BRENNA OR KATIE WHO ENSURES THAT THIS IS FOLLOWED, IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE PEOPLE ON THE STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE.
SO OUR ENGINEERS, SANDY'S OFFICE PLANNING, EVERYBODY MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY, THAT IT'S BEEN COMPLIED WITH AND FOLLOWED ACTUALLY.
TO PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINITION TO THAT, KATIE, WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE REVIEW STEPS.
FIRST WE WILL DO A PLAN REVIEW SET.
SO BEFORE ANYTHING'S BUILT, WE'LL REVIEW THE DRAINAGE PLANS AND CALCULATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, REVIEW THOSE FOR APPROPRIATENESS.
SO BEFORE ANYTHING GOES FORWARD, THAT'S THE FIRST STEP OF REVIEW.
THEN THERE'S FIELD INSPECTIONS WHERE THERE'S REVIEW DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE IN THE FIELD MATCHES THE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY, AND AS AN ONGOING ISSUE, THERE CAN BE INSPECTIONS THAT COME UP TO ADDRESS CONCERNS THAT ARE RAISED WITH REGARDS TO POTENTIAL ISSUES.
SO IT'S, IT'S FROM BIRTH THROUGH THE ENTIRE LIFE CYCLE OF THE PROJECT.
SO WHEN, WHEN SOUTH POINT CAME BEFORE US LAST MONTH, THERE WAS ISSUES WITH THE FLOOD STORM WATER ISSUES BECAUSE I THINK THE STORMS THAT WE HAD RECENTLY, PINE ABO WAS COMPLETELY UNDERWATER.
AND WITH EACH CONSECUTIVE DEVELOPMENT IT INCREASES THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES AND YOU KNOW, THAT WATER HAS NO PLACE TO GO.
SO THEY VOLUNTARILY AGREED TO INCREASE THEIR STORM WATER, UM, RETENTION.
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AMENABLE TO DO THAT SO THAT YOU BOTH ARE ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE CAN PREVENT MAYBE A FLOOD HAPPENING DOWN THE LINE SOMEWHERE BECAUSE IT'S, IT GETS VERY EXPENSIVE TO FIX SOMETHING AFTER THE FACT BECAUSE ONCE YOU GUYS DO YOUR CONSTRUCTION AND YOU LEAVE AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THESE ISSUES, THEN IT FALLS UPON THE CITY TO FIX IT AND IT'S AN EXPENSE THAT WE DON'T NEED.SO IF YOU GUYS GO INSTEAD OF THE 50 YEAR, YOU ADDRESS IT AT A HUNDRED YEAR AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PULL, EXTRAPOLATE THOSE NUMBERS IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, AND THEN JUST INCREASE IT.
SO WE ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I, I FIRMLY BELIEVE IN, YOU KNOW, YEAH, YOU CAN FIX IT, BUT THEN IT COSTS MORE.
BUT IF YOU HAVE PREVENTATIVE MEASURES, THAT'S I THINK A LITTLE CHEAPER THAN TRYING TO FIX SOMETHING.
AND SO, AS I SAID, LIKE WE'VE, WE HAVE DONE THAT DRAINAGE ANALYSIS THAT AGAIN, SO WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN IT INTO ACCOUNT ALL UPSTREAM AREAS AND DOWNSTREAM FOR THAT 100 YEAR STORM EVENT TO MAIN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE MEETING THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
SO WITH REGARD TO ENDANGERED SPECIES NOW, THERE WAS QUITE A FEW FOUND IN THE SOUTH POINT PROJECT ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU, JUST ACROSS THE ROAD FROM JOHN SMITH.
SO HAVE YOU GUYS DONE A, ANY KIND OF STUDIES TO ASCERTAIN IF THERE ARE ANY ENDANGERED SPECIES ON YOUR PROPERTY, ANY KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT SLASH ASSESSMENT BEING DONE TO IDENTIFY? UM, WE HAVE, UM, AS A PART OF OUR WETLAND PERMITTING, WE HAD TO DO THAT.
AND DID YOU FIND ANYTHING ON THERE? UM, BECAUSE I KNOW THE BATS, THERE WAS SOME KIND OF BATS OUT THERE THAT, UM, THAT WERE FOUND TO BE ON THAT PROPERTY.
I WOULD HAVE TO REFER TO I GUESS, LAMAR AND TOM ON THAT.
HI, HOW'S EVERYBODY DOING? GOOD.
UM, LAMAR, MERCER, THOMAS AND HUTTON.
SO YES, THERE HAS BEEN QUITE AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF THREATENED ENDANGERED SPECIES STUDIES, UH, PERFORMED FOR THE PROPERTY ENOUGH SO THAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT, UH, STARTING A GOFUNDME PAGE.
THEY'RE VERY, I I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT, RIGHT? SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO THE APPROPRIATE CONSULTANTS HAVE BEEN ENGAGED.
I DO WANNA POINT OUT THE RULES ARE CHANGING A LOT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
THERE'S THERE, AND IT GETS CONFUSING TO PEOPLE 'CAUSE THERE'S A FAIRLY LIST OF SPECIES AND THERE'S JUST A STATE SPECIES OF CONCERN MM-HMM
AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE MAD AT ME IF I MISSTATE THAT 'CAUSE I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL IN THAT PORTION OF IT.
SO I'M STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT OURSELVES, BUT YES, AND WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR SOME FINAL RESULTS TO COME BACK FOR SOME OF THE FEDERALLY LISTED SPECIES.
SO WHATEVER REQUIREMENTS COME ALONG, WE'LL BE BOUND BY THAT.
BUT AGAIN, TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF BATS OUT THERE STILL MAY BE SOME STATE LISTED THAT DON'T REALLY HAVE REGULATIONS APPLIED TO THOSE YET.
SO YOU'RE NOT A BAD EXPERT
AND I KNOW ONE WHO IS, IF YOU WANT HIS NUMBER.
I, I WAS READING THE S-C-D-N-R REPORT FROM THE FOLKS ACROSS THE ROAD IN, AND THERE WAS, UH, QUITE A FEW BATS, UH, IN THERE AND THEY HAD RECOMMENDED THAT WE DO THE, THE ACOUSTIC STUDY IN, IN THE SUMMER MONTHS.
WELL, AND I DON'T WANNA KNOW, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE ARE YOU REFERRING TO SOUTH POINT ALSO BECAUSE, UH, YES, BECAUSE I MEAN, Y'ALL ARE JUST ACROSS THE STREET.
I MEAN THAT, SO YOU THAT HAVE FAR, NOT TO TANGLE 'EM ALL UP, BUT THERE ARE MULTIPLE AND MULTIPLE STUDIES THAT ARE OCCURRING BY DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS ALSO.
WE'RE TAKING ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PROFESSIONAL THAT WE HAVE ENGAGED WITH AND WE'RE RECOMMENDED TO OUR GROUP TO ENGAGE IN STUDY THOSE IN DURING THE SUMMERTIME OR DURING THE APPROPRIATE TIMES BECAUSE THERE'S PUFFING MONTHS AND THERE'S GESTATION MONTHS.
SO YES, WE'RE COMPLETELY, COMPLETELY TRYING TO FOLLOW ALL THOSE.
I'M GONNA BACK AWAY ABOUT THAT
AND MY FINAL QUESTION I HAVE IS, HAS A CULTURAL SURVEY BEEN DONE ON THIS MORGAN TRACK? YES MA'AM.
A CULTURAL RESOURCE SURVEY WAS COMPLETED.
OH, NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SCREEN.
ACTUALLY YOU BROKE IT ACTUALLY.
HEY ACTUALLY JOSH, JOSH PUT IT BEST EARLIER, LIKE THIS IS LIKE BAKING A CAKE AND THIS HAS A HISTORY OF NOW 15 PLUS YEARS.
I'M PROBABLY GONNA GET THAT DATE OR A LITTLE BIT WRONG ALSO.
BUT YES, THE, THE WETLAND PERMITTINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY, THE JURISDICTION DETERMINATION CREATED OR PERFORMED BACK IN 2004, FIVE ISH A WETLAND PERMIT WAS ISSUED FOR THE BOTTOM HALF OF, OF THE PROPERTY.
WELL, IN CONJUNCTION WITH DOING THAT, A CULTURAL RESOURCE SURVEY WAS COMPLETED ON THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
SO IN ORDER TO BEGIN WORK, WHICH WE WERE VERY NEAR THAT STAGE, WE HAD TO RECORD RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS TO PERMANENTLY MEMORIALIZE THE CULTURAL RESOURCES.
THAT, AND THERE'S ONE SMALL GROUPING, UM, AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THESE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE ABOUT THE POLLING INFORMATION, BUT THERE'S A GROUPING OF 'EM ON THE PROPERTY THAT HAVE BEEN PERMANENTLY PRESERVED THROUGH RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS AND WILL NOT BE TOUCHED AROUND THEM.
SO HOW DO YOU PROPOSE TO, UH, PROTECT THAT AREA? LIKE ARE YOU GONNA HAVE
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A 50 FOOT BUFFER OR A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER AROUND THIS AREA? RIGHT.IT'S 35 OR 50, WHATEVER SHIPPO MAKES THE RECOMMENDATION.
UH, STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE MAKES THE RECOMMENDATION OR SIGNS OFF ON THE BUFFER BASED ON THE, UM, ARCHEOLOGIST RECOMMENDATIONS IN COORDINATION WITH SHIPPO.
SO WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY DEEM NECESSARY.
AND THEN DURING CONSTRUCTION, THERE'S, THERE'S CONDITIONS APPLIED TO THE PERMIT AND THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS.
YOU HAVE TO PUT LIKE ORANGE FENCING AROUND IT.
SO EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S THERE.
I'VE BEEN WAITING ALL AFTERNOON TO SAY THAT MR. GEORGE HEARS THAT.
WELL, GEORGE CALLS HER THAT, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, FOR FULL DISCLOSURE, UM, JOSH AND I DID MEET WITH THE, UM, ENGINEERING FIRM AT A WEEK AGO AND I BELIEVE, UH, JOSH WAS GOING TO UPDATE COUNSEL AT THE MONTHLY REVIEWS.
UM, SO I HAVE, I HAVE QUESTIONS FROM TODAY FROM, AND CONCERNS WHAT STEVE, UM, BROUGHT UP AND ALSO NOTES I MADE TODAY.
SO I'M GONNA BE GOING THROUGH THREE LISTS HERE.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, UM, WAS THIS A 15, 20, 20 5-YEAR-OLD PDD AND UH, I GUESS THIS FOR PINA AND WAS IT EVER TOLD P PDDS ARE JUST, THEY'RE IN PLACE FOR THE TERM.
THERE'S NO TOLLING ACT OR ANYTHING THAT APPLIES TO THAT.
AND THERE WAS NO DATE ON THE LIMIT.
NOT ON THE PDD WASN'T, IT WASN'T A CONTRACTUAL, UH, AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO THIS GOES FOR THIS 2006 PDD IS IN PLACE, UH, PERPETUALLY.
THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WOULD HAVE A TERM, BUT THE PDD DOES NOT.
UH, THE FIRST THING I'M GONNA GO OVER SOME OF THE NOTES I MADE FROM THE MEETING I REFERENCED, UH, FROM LAST WEEK.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A FOUR, 400 FOOT FOOT AVERAGE.
WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS NOT THE AVERAGES.
'CAUSE THERE'S A BIG WETLAND AREA ON SOME PARTS AND IT'S ABOUT FOUR FEET BEHIND SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.
WE'VE, WE'VE MADE MISTAKES WITH DOWN IN LEVY.
UM, AND ALSO WE'RE GOING THROUGH A SITUATION RIGHT NOW WITH APARTMENTS GOING BEHIND SUN CITY.
WHILE EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD IN ON PAPER WHEN YOU ACTUALLY START, IT LOOKS A LOT DIFFERENT.
SO I'M JUST GONNA THROW THAT OUT THERE 'CAUSE I'M GONNA COME BACK TO THAT.
THE OTHER THING, AND STEVE MENTIONED THIS AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR US UP HERE, IS THAT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY.
AND WHERE YOU HAVE THIS, YOUR DEVELOPMENT LITERALLY IN THE BACKYARD OF, OF MARGARITAVILLE IN THE OTHER, IN PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS, AND ONE WITH ON BY SUN CITY, WE REQUIRED A 10 FOOT FENCE.
AND THAT'S SERVES A COUPLE OF PURPOSES.
IT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT OF PRIVACY BETWEEN THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS AND A LITTLE BIT OF SECURITY.
NOW PEOPLE CAN CLIMB A FENCE, THEY CAN GO AROUND IT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT IN THE, IN THE NAME OF CONSISTENCY, WHAT I BROUGHT UP LAST WEEK, I THINK THIS COUNCIL SHOULD DEMAND, NOT ASK YOU, BUT DEMAND A FENCE WHERE IT'S RIGHT UP AGAINST THE MARGARITAVILLE DEVELOPMENT WE DID IN SUN CITY.
WE, WE HAD A LONG CONVERSATION AT THE FARMHOUSE APARTMENTS.
AND, AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A NON-NEGOTIABLE REQUIREMENT.
I'M NOT SAYING THE WHOLE LENGTH, BUT WHERE IT ABUTS TO THESE HOMES, IT'S NOT ENOUGH.
WHAT WE ALSO FOUND FOUND, WHEN YOU CLEAR CUT UP THE 50 FEET IN A LOT OF AREAS YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE BRUSH.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT A THICK FOREST OF 50 FEET.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM.
SO I THINK WE NEED SOME BETTER PROTECTIVE, UH, WHETHER IT'S A BERM RAISED, LANDSCAPING, WHATEVER IT IS,
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WHEN YOU CUT TO THAT 50 FEET, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE SOMEBODY TAKING A SHOWER.AND THAT'S THE OTHER REASON FOR THE FENCE.
AND, AND JOSH, I THINK FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, THIS SHOULD BE A NON-NEGOTIABLE POINT.
NOT THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THE ROAD OR THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT WHERE IT BUTTS UP AGAINST THESE PEOPLE'S HOMES.
DREW, IF YOU COULD HAVE 'EM SHIFTED OVER SO THAT WE CAN SEE PRIMARILY PODS FOUR, SIX, AND EIGHT.
YEAH, BECAUSE I, I THINK THOSE ARE THE THREE THAT ARE PROBABLY MOST RELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE LENGTH OF THAT IS.
NOW WHEN YOU GO TO THE, YOU KNOW, UP TO THE UPPER PART, YOU GOT ALL THAT WETLANDS AND THERE YOU, YOU MAINTAIN A HEAVILY WOODED AREA.
BUT WHEN YOU CLEAR CUT UP TO THAT AND THERE'S HOME MINTO HOMES OVER RIGHT NEXT TO IT HERE I CAN SHOW YOU.
CAN YOU SHOW THE ONE WHERE YOU ACTUALLY SEE THE HOMES, WHERE THE HOMES ARE INO? YEAH.
THIS RIGHT HERE, RIGHT, RIGHT IN HERE IS GOING RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S I, I'VE SEEN FROM THE OTHER MAPS.
THIS IS SIX AND SIX AND EIGHT WILL BE THE ONES THAT WILL HAVE DIRECT CONTACT TO STRYKER ROAD.
THAT'S FOUR GOING ABOVE AND BELOW THERE, FOUR IS ABOVE, RIGHT.
SO ABOVE AND BELOW THERE, THOSE OTHER HOMES, THERE'S A LOT OF WETLANDS THERE.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE 400 FOOT AVERAGE.
BUT WHERE DOES COME RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE? WE NEED MORE.
UH, AND I, I DON'T WANT TO USE PROTECTIVE BECAUSE THESE ARE FAMILIES, BUT IT'S ALSO FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE, UH, THEY HAVE KIDS THERE.
YOU DON'T WANT THEM GETTING IN TROUBLE.
YOU KNOW, THE KIDS ARE KIDS, BUT IF YOU HAVE SOME BLOCKAGE, YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN SOME SEPARATION OF THE TWO THINGS.
SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FEET THAT IS.
UH, AND, AND AS YOU GET FURTHER DOWN, BUT IF WE MAKE IT A STANDARD AS YOU GET TO THE OTHER SECTIONS, AS YOU BUILD DOWN THE, WHAT IS IT, 1300 UNITS ALONG HERE MAY, IT'S A STANDARD WHEREVER IT COMES UP.
WE HAVE MR. HARPER HAVE A, A WAREHOUSE IN HIS BACKYARD AND WE DON'T WANT THAT.
AND WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAMAR.
ALONG THOSE LINES, SHOULD COUNSEL BE OF CONSENSUS THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WANNA SEE? I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU INCORPORATE THAT IN ANY FORM OF A MOTION IF AND WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT THIS EVENING.
AND COUNSEL, DO YOU, DOES ANYBODY, ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH THAT REQUIREMENT? NO, SIR.
LET'S GET IT, LET'S GET IT OFF THE TABLE.
SO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A UNIFIED COUNCIL HERE.
IF I, WITHOUT TAKING A VOTE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT REQUIRED WHEREVER IT'S, I DIDN'T WANNA SAY WE'RE TAKING IT UNDER CONSIDERATION.
AND I'VE, I'VE BEEN HERE AND I'VE LIVED THE OTHER ISSUES TOO.
SO WE COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY ASSESSING IT FROM OUR LAST DISCUSSIONS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
LIKE GIVING TOO MUCH DETAIL, BUT THE, THE COST OF A 10 FOOT FENCE AND THE LOGISTICS OF A FENCE LIKE THAT VERSUS A SIX OR EIGHT, WHATEVER, LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH ALL THOSE MM-HMM
PLUS THE FACT IS, WE'RE TO ACTUALLY PLACE THE FENCE, RIGHT? THERE'S A 50 FOOT P BUFFER, THERE'S THE WHOLE CONCERN OF THE ROAD ITSELF AND ACCESS.
WE CAN'T BLOCK ACCESS TO THE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S JOINT, JOINT USE ROADWAY BETWEEN TWO ENTITIES.
SO ALL THAT TO BE SAID, WE JUST ASK FOR MORE TIME.
WE'LL BE PREPARED TO DISCUSS THIS IN FURTHER DETAIL.
AND WE COME BACK TO COUNCIL, WELL, YOU COME BEFORE WE MAKE A VOTE.
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE AN ENGINEER AND WE'RE JUST COUNCIL PEOPLE.
AND YOU
DON'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE ALREADY.
TAKE IT AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T BUILT YET.
UM, THE, I'VE HAD, UH, A LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION ACCESS TO 2 78.
I DON'T CARE WHETHER IT'S STRYKER ROAD OR IT'S THAT OTHER, AND I, I'D LIKE THE BIGGER, UM, MAP, WHICH SHOWS THE ACCESS POINTS AND, AND I WANT TO GO OVER WHERE THE LIGHTS ARE, HOW THE, OKAY.
NOW, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE, THE, THE CONSTRUCTION ROADS ARE, 2 78 IS A TWO LANE IN EASTBOUND A AND PLAN TO BE THREE LANE, EASTBOUND,
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60 MILE AN HOUR ROAD WITH 30,000 CARS PER DAY.NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE LOGGING TRUCKS, CEMENT TRUCKS, AND I DON'T CARE IF IT'S RIGHT OUT ONLY AND THIS FOR THEM TO COME IN OUT OF A 60 MILE AN HOUR ROAD.
AND I, I BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE TOO.
AND I HAVE PICTURES ON MY PHONE FROM ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT, WHAT THESE BIG TRUCKS DO.
THEY SAY, I'M BIGGER THAN YOU.
IT'S UP TO YOU TO STOP AND ME TO GET OUT.
THAT'S, LET'S FACE IT, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
SO I HAVE A REAL CONCERN AND I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION THAT'S UP TO THE SMART PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.
BUT IF WE NEED FURTHER PROTECTION OF THESE BIG VEHICLES COMING OUT ONTO 2 78 AND UH, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO ACCESS INTO 2 78 SAFELY, AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S PUT FORTH A SOLUTION TO THAT PRIOR TO A LIGHT THAT'LL GO THERE SOMEWHERE AROUND 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
AND I DON'T WANT MULTIPLE DEATHS, MULTIPLE CAR BACKUPS BECAUSE THE LOGGING TRUCK DIDN'T HAVE THE PATIENCE TO WAIT TILL THE ROAD WAS CLEARED.
YOU CANNOT STOP PEOPLE FROM MAKING STUPID MISTAKES.
BUT WE CAN TRY TO PUT IN PREVENTATIVE MEASURES SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAMAR ALSO, I, I DON'T THINK STEVE BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE AND, UH, I DON'T THINK THIS HAS BEEN ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED.
UM, AND WOULD, WHILE I'M ON THE POINT WHERE, SHOW ON THIS BIGGER MAP YOU TALKED ABOUT, WHERE ARE THE PLANNED LIGHTS GOING HERE? SO THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY LIGHT ON FOR, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT ON 2 78 WOULD BE RIGHT HERE AT THE SPINE ROAD.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT IS YEARS AWAY.
AND SO THE, THIS FIRST 1300 HOMES, OR AT LEAST THE FIRST PHASE ONE, WILL BE BUILT WITH ALL CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, WHETHER IT BE STRYKER OR A COMBINATION OF STRYKER.
AND WHERE YOU SHOW THE INITIAL CONNECTOR ROAD, AND THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM BRICKYARD, ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S A ALREADY A VERY DANGEROUS, ANYBODY EVER MAKE A RIGHT HAND TURN ON THE BRICKYARD FROM, AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN 2 78 THE WHOLE TIME I'M PUTTING MY, MY BRAKE ON.
I'M, I'M WAITING TO SEE THE PICKUP TRUCK IN MY TRUNK.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY BAD INTERSECTION BECAUSE AGAIN, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IN THE SPEED, ALSO, WHAT IS NEVER COME INTO THIS CONVERSATION.
JASPER COUNTY'S PLANNING 300 UNITS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE WITH AN ACCESS, COUPLE ACCESS POINTS, ONE OF WHICH WOULD BE A ROAD THAT WOULD COME TO BRICKYARD.
AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE ADEQUATELY LOOKED AT THE BIG PICTURE PICTURE ON WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT IS.
NOW, HOPEFULLY THAT'LL DIE AWAY 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN OBJECTING TO THAT FOR A LONG TIME.
BUT WE HAVE TO AT THIS POINT, 'CAUSE IT'S JASPER COUNTY ASSUME THAT IT'S GONNA COME.
AND, AND, AND MS. BEALES, I I, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF THAT, THAT 300 PO DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS, AS WELL AS THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO COME OUTTA THAT.
'CAUSE THAT COULD BE STARTING CONSTRUCTION IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS AS WELL.
AS PART OF THE, UM, THE AS, UM, AS WE MENTIONED, THE TRAFFIC STUDY, TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE FOR THIS AREA HAVE BEEN VERY COLLABORATIVE WITH THE LARGER DEVELOPMENTS.
BUT THEY ALSO INCLUDED I THINK 13, UM, OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
THE ONE YOU'RE SPEAKING OF IN JASPER COUNTY WAS ONE OF THEM THAT WAS IN THE BACKGROUND TRAFFIC ALONG WITH A NON-SPECIFIC GROWTH RATE THAT IS JUST RELATED TO TRAFFIC THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE.
BUT THERE WAS A VERY LONG LIST THAT WAS COORDINATED WITH THE CITY'S CONSULTANT FOR THE CORRIDOR STUDY AS WELL AS CITY STAFF.
UM, AND ALSO THE TWO, THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE IN PROCESS AS WELL IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, IN ALL THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
I KNOW YOU DID, BUT WHAT HERE, HERE'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN POTENTIALLY, AND LIKELY IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, YOU'RE GONNA START BRINGING IN TRUCKS, LOGGING TRUCKS, CEMENT TRUCKS AND THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET, GONNA BRING IN TRUCKS AND, AND THEY'RE GONNA ACCESS THROUGH BRICKYARD.
YOU'RE GONNA ACCESS THROUGH BRICKYARD.
AND THEN WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE RIGHT, RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD, RIGHT
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ACROSS THE STREET, 72 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL BEING BUILT AT MARGARITAVILLE.ALL THESE THINGS ARE POTENTIALLY HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME AND IN A HALF MILE STRETCH.
SO I, I'M NOT PROPOSING ANY SOLUTIONS.
I'M PROPOSING, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT WE THINK'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
AND I DON'T SEE YET A ADEQUATE CONSTRUCTION ROAD EGRESS AND INGRESS PLAN FOR SAFETY ONTO A HEAVILY TRAFFICKED 60 MILE AN HOUR ROAD.
I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO ANSWER IT, I'M ASKING YOU BETTER COME UP WITH AN ANSWER BEFORE FIRST VOTE.
AND, UH, I THINK, I THINK IN VARIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNSEL, WE ALL HAVE THE SAME CONCERN.
SO I'M JUST GONNA LEAVE IT AT THAT.
YEAH, I I WE WILL WORK WITH STAFF LIKE THE, WE'RE ALREADY BEGINNING TO TAKE A LOOK AT OPTIONS FOR THOSE.
AND WE DON'T, I I'M GONNA CONFESS WE DON'T HAVE AN ANS ANSWER FOR THAT TODAY.
THAT'S WHY I SAID I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER.
I JUST NEED YOU TO KNOW A CONCERN.
I KNOW THOSE PEOPLE HAVE A CONCERN.
I KNOW THIS COUNCIL HAS A CONCERN AND, AND WE NEED TO HAVE SOME ASSURITY THAT WE ARE CREATING A SAFE SITUATION FROM A TOTAL VISION OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN A VERY SMALL PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, WE, WE ALSO HAD SPOKEN ABOUT EVENTUALLY DOWN THE ROAD TO BE ACCESS TO JOHN SMITH ROAD.
WOULD YOU SHOW THAT? WHERE EVERY, SO THE COUNCIL KNOWS AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THEY'RE EVENTUALLY GOING TO, UH, THERE'S GONNA, FROM THESE, THIS PHASE ONE DEVELOPMENT WILL COME OVER TO JOHN SMITH ROAD.
WOULD YOU SHOW, COULD YOU SHOW THAT TO COUNSEL, PLEASE? THIS HERE? YEAH.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER ROAD THAT WILL FEED INTO JOHN SMITH ROAD.
YOU KNOW, MY FEELINGS ON THAT AND, BUT IT WILL TAKE SOME OF THE PRESSURE OFF 2 78 DOWN THE ROAD AND PUT YEAH.
WITH THAT SPINE ROAD, BUT, AND THEN PUT MORE PRESSURE ON JOHN SMITH ROAD.
SO AGAIN, I'M NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING.
I'M, I'M LOOKING 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND, AND GETTING CONCERNED.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A QUESTION I HAD ASKED THERE, WOULD YOU PLEASE SHOW THAT THERE, IS THERE A PLAN ONCE THAT 72 ACRES OF MARGARITAVILLE IS, IS BUILT UP, UH, THAT WAS ALWAYS INTENDED TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, WOULD YOU SHOW THE PLANS TO HAVE A ACCESS FRONTAGE ROAD TO THAT PLANNED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT? CAN WE GO TO THE YEAH.
SO I THINK THAT'S THIS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A, YOU DON'T WANT A HALF MILE AND GOING ON TO 2 78 AND THEN CUTTING OVER TO MARGARITAVILLE.
AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, AND UH, I BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE, YOU DON'T WANT THIS DEVELOPMENT GOING OUT, GOING TO A RESTAURANT IN MARGARITAVILLE.
THEY COME ON TO TRAFFIC IN 2 78 AND A HALF A MILE.
THEY'RE SLOWING DOWN AND THERE'S A BIG PICKUP TRUCK PARING DOWN ON 'EM, AND THEY, THEY WANT TO GO INTO THE MARGARITAVILLE.
SO IF YOU HAVE THAT ROAD GOING DIRECTLY TO, 'CAUSE IT COULD BE SUPERMARKETS IN THERE, IT COULD BE, AND WE WANT TO KEEP PEOPLE OFF 2 78.
SO WOULD YOU PLEASE SHOW THE PLANNED ROAD? YEAH.
SO THAT WOULD BE, IT'S CALLED OUT AS THIS NORTH CONNECTOR ROAD.
SO THAT WOULD ALSO CONNECT TO THE SPINE ROAD THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, WHICH WE BROUGHT UP BEFORE, IS THE, THE SOUTH CONNECTOR ROAD TO CONNECT TO THE SPINE ROAD AS WELL.
THE, THE, UM, THAT'S THE ROAD COMING OUT OF CARS.
UH, GOOD 'CAUSE I'M JUST GONNA ASK THAT QUESTION.
ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WAS THIS IS NOT, WE DON'T, I'M ASKING FOR THAT.
THIS NOT JUST BEING EMS ROAD, THAT THIS BE A GATED ROAD INTO THE CAR TRACK.
IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER GATED ROAD, BUT A, AN GIVING THE PEOPLE OF MARGARITAVILLE A AN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME OUTTA THEIR COMMUNITY THROUGH A GATE ONTO THAT ROAD.
AND THE EVENTUAL SPINE ROAD, THEY'RE GOING DOWN TO 46.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THAT THIS BE MORE THAN JUST AN EMS ROAD.
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OKAY, GREAT.UM, ALSO FOR, SO THE COUNCIL KNOWS, I ASKED THEM TO REDUCE THE DENSITY.
I'M ON RECORD THAT IF WE COULD PUT LESS HOMES THERE, LIKE WE'VE DONE IN EAST SERGEANT, WHAT WE DID IN THE CAR TRACK THAT LESS HOMES OR LESS CARS, LESS TRAFFIC.
AND UH, AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO HAVE LAND PLANS THAT MEET THE ABILITY TO MAKE A PROFIT, GIVEN THE COST OF LAND AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT, UH, I'M ON THE RECORD THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LESS THAN 6,700 HOMES IN THAT PDD.
AND YOU'RE STILL THINKING ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? LAMAR? YES, SIR.
NO, AS WELL THAT THE STICK COMES OUT
RIGHT? QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE TIMETABLE FOR THAT BEING DONE TO THE TIMETABLE OF PEOPLE STARTING TO COME OUT TO THE SPINE ROAD? WHAT'S THE TIMETABLE OF THAT TO BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION, YOU KNOW, WITH, WHAT'S THE TIMETABLE OF BUILDING HERE? WELL, I I BELIEVE THAT, UM, AGREEMENT REQUIRES THAT ENGINEERING, UH, THE FUNDS FOR ENGINEERING BE SENT TO THE CITY AFTER 30 DAYS OF IT BEING EXECUTED.
UM, IS THAT CORRECT? OR THAT'S FOR THE JOHN SMITH ROAD INTERSECTION.
THAT'S FOR THE JOHN SMITH ROAD INTERSECTION.
BUT WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS THE TIMING FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE SPINE ROAD AND THE PHASES THAT YOU'RE GONNA BRING FORWARD AND OPEN UP FOR DEVELOPMENT.
WE, WE WANT, AND THIS CAME UP WITH MM-HMM
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THIS COUNCIL AND THE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S THE TIMETABLE, WHEN'S THE SPINE ROAD GONNA BE DONE? WHEN'S THE IMPROVEMENTS AT 2 78? WHEN'S, WHEN'S THIS BIG PLAN GOING TO BE FEASIBLE IN CON IN RELATION TO WHEN PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY GONNA START MOVING IN HERE? AND I THINK FOR FIRST READING, I, I THINK THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE AT LEAST THINKING.
THIS IS GONNA, YOU KNOW, DOT'S WIDENING 2 95, IT'S GONNA BE HERE IN, UH, IN FEBRUARY, HERE IN MARCH.
I THINK WE NEED A TIMETABLE, IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING.
UM, I I, I THINK FOR THE PEOPLE OF PINE ARBOR ROAD HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS, AND WE DID, UM, MR. BROWN DID JUST BEFORE YOU CAME, UM, I THINK WE NEED A IN DEPTH UNDERSTANDING AND TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE PEOPLE OF PINE ARBOR ROAD THAT, AND ALL THESE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES WILL NOT INCREASE THE FLOODING, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION TO.
NOW I'M GONNA GO BACK TO MRS. GUZMAN'S QUESTION.
I SAID GOOD JOB ON, ON PREVENTION VERSUS FIX.
THAT WAS VERY, VERY IMPRESSED.
UM, I, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A PINE ARBOR MITIGATION, UM, UNDERSTANDING SO THAT WE CAN LOOK THE PEOPLE ON THE PINE ARBOR ROAD, INCLUDING MR. CARROLL, LOOK, I, MR. MAYOR TOO, IN THIS THING ABOUT THE, UM, DIAMETER SIZE AND STUFF THAT THEY HAD.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE NEED TO TELL YOU AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON PINE ARBOR ROAD IN A ENGINEERED, UM, INTELLIGENT WAY, THAT THIS IS WHERE THE WATER'S GONNA FLOW AND IT'S NOT GONNA FLOW INTO PINE ARBOR ROAD AND IN YOUR KITCHEN.
SO THAT NEED, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPLAINED.
UM, UH, THERE, THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT I WROTE DOWN.
UH, WE JUST HAD THIS SITUATION WITH THE YMCA, UM, AND THEY HAD TO HOLD OFF ON THE GROUNDBREAKING BECAUSE OF THE EXISTENCE OF AN EAGLE'S NEST.
AND THEY HAD TO WAIT UNTIL THE, THE, THE, THE EGGS, UH, AND THE LITTLE EAGLES FLEW AWAY.
IS THERE A SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT WILL, WILL, UH, LOOK AT THAT AS WELL? 'CAUSE I'M SURE THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THE EAGLES ALL OVER THE PLACE HERE.
WE DON'T WANNA BE TEARING DOWN A TREE THAT THERE'S EGGS IN IT.
IS THERE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT'S, WHAT'S IN PLACE TO PREVENT THAT FROM
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HAPPENING? YEAH.AND WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THOSE, THOSE THREATENED ENDANGERED SPECIES STUDIES FOR THAT.
UM, SO EVERY NO, I KNOW YOU'VE DONE THAT.
WHEN THE BULLDOZERS COME IN, THE LOGGING TRUCKS COME IN AND YOU'RE GONNA TEAR DOWN A TREE.
IS THERE SOME PRIOR PREVENTATIVE LOOK, WHATEVER SOMEBODY FOUND THOSE EAGLES AT, AT THE YMCA SITE? IS THERE, I I DON'T WANT A TREE COMING DOWN WITH A A AN A, WHETHER IT BE AN EAGLE OR WHATEVER.
SO IS THERE SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT ASSURES THAT? YEAH.
WELL I, THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES, SO THERE, THERE'S BEEN OBVIOUSLY THE, THE SCIENTISTS HAVE VISITED THE PROPERTY, UM, DNR, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT AGENCIES.
UM, SO THAT WOULD'VE, THAT'S IDENTIFIED IN THOSE AS A PART OF THAT STUDY.
UM, SPECIFICALLY, I GUESS IN TERMS OF WHILE THEY'RE BUILDING IT, UM, I MEAN, WHILE NOT, I, AS FAR AS I KNOW, NONE OF THAT WAS IDENTIFIED ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, SO I'M NOT AWARE THAT ANY OF IT IS PRESENT LAND.
WE, WE WANT, DON'T WANT THE EAGLE TO LAND.
WELL, DON'T WANNA MOVE IN ONCE WE START.
WE DON'T MIND MOVING IT IN THERE AFTER THE, THE, THE TREES ARE DONE.
I JUST DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF EGGS COMING DOWN WITH THE TREES.
IF YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND THERE'S HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF, WHETHER IT'S VISUAL OR WHATEVER, ASSURANCE THAT OKAY, THERE'S NO EGGS UP THERE BECAUSE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES, YOU KNOW, EAGLES HAVE EGGS ALL THE TIME.
AND THAT, THOSE, THOSE TYPE OF OF CHECKS ARE INCLUDED IN OUR WETLAND PERMITS WITH THIS.
SO THERE ARE CONDITIONS IN THOSE PERMITS, UM, FOR THOSE TYPE OF EVENTS.
I'M ABOUT TO GET OVER MY SKIS IN A HURRY.
BUT I, I MEAN, WE CONSTANTLY HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES MM-HMM
AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PERMITTING PROCESS, WE ACTUALLY SUBMIT TO THE H, WHICH HAS OCRM AND CCC, WHICH ONE OF THEIR COASTAL ZONE CONSISTENCY REVIEW, AND THEY CONTINUALLY CHECK, WHICH IS THEIR JOB MM-HMM
AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB OF IT IS CHECKING THE STATE DATABASES FOR SITES THAT HAVE BEEN MM-HMM
SO I THINK TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION, MAYOR, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY ESSENTIALLY IT.
AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT ASKING THAT PART EITHER.
BUT I THINK THAT THE STATE LEVEL REVIEW AND JUST COMMON SENSE, RIGHT.
GOING OUT, MOST PEOPLE CAN SEE AN EAGLE'S NEST.
AND I'M NOT GONNA GO RECORD AND PROMISE ANYTHING, BUT IT, IT'S CERTAINLY ACKNOWLEDGED.
UH, JUST SO LONG AS THERE'S PRECAUTIONS IN PLACE.
AND JUST AS IMPORTANT TO EAGLE'S NEST, BECAUSE I, I SEE, UH, MS. UH, DECOURSEY RIGHT BEHIND YOU THERE.
THERE ARE NO CEMETERIES IN THERE.
GEORGE WASHINGTON ISN'T BURIED NEARBY OR ANYTHING.
THERE ARE THREE SITES THAT ARE PERMANENTLY MEMORIALIZED AND IDENTIFIED ON THE PLAN AND EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC AND TO COUNCIL, WHEN YOU FIND THOSE SITES, WHAT ACTUALLY IS DONE TO PROTECT THOSE SITES.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, AS A, A ARCHEOLOGIST IS HIRED TO GO, WELL, FIRST THEY PERFORM PUBLIC RECORD SEARCH TO, TO BE ABLE TO NARROW IT DOWN.
IS THERE SOMETHING IN POTENTIALLY EXISTING ON THE SITE? AND ONCE THEY DO THAT, THEN THEY GO ZERO IN ON THEIR SPACES.
AND I NOT I, I DON'T REMEMBER THE TERMS EXACTLY, BUT THEY START IN A CERTAIN INTERVAL AND DO SHOVEL TESTS.
BUT SHOVEL TESTS REALLY JUST START IDENTIFYING TO, ONCE THEY START IDENTIFYING WHERE PARTICLES OF SOME SITE REALLY ARE, AND THEN ONCE THEY START IDENTIFYING THOSE, AND THEN THEY KIND OF OUTLINE THE PERIMETER BY TIGHTENING UP THE RADIUS ESSENTIALLY THROUGH THEIR TESTING.
ONCE THAT'S DONE, THEN THAT IS SUPPLIED.
THEY WRITE UP THEIR REPORTS, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON DATE, TIME, QUALITY OF THE MATERIALS, ALL THOSE THINGS, WHETHER IT SHOULD BE MEMORIALIZED OR PRESERVED.
AND THEY PROVIDE THAT TO SHIPPO STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE.
THEY REVIEW THE INFORMATION, CONCUR DENY, COME TO SOME AGREEMENT ON THAT, AND THEN COLLECTIVELY, UH, COORDINATE SOME TYPE OF RECOMMENDED BUFFER PRESERVATION AROUND THOSE.
IN FACT, OR, OR AS AN OPTION, THAT'S AN OPTION TO DO THAT.
AND THAT'S JUST ONE OPTION I'M DESCRIBING.
THERE'S ALSO THE OTHER OPTION OF FURTHER TESTING TO ACTUALLY EXCAVATE THE MATERIALS AND CURATE THEM AT THE UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA OR SOUTH CAROLINA, WHEREVER IT HAPPENS.
WHICH MOST PEOPLE DON'T DO THAT.
I'M NOT SAYING IT WON'T HAPPEN, BUT IN THIS CASE, WE DON'T PLAN TO DO THAT IN THIS CASE.
AND WE DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, START DIGGING AND DIG UP GREAT.
UM, NOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ASKED AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, AND I, I THINK LAMAR WAS GONNA SWALLOW HIS TONGUE, BUT, UM, I SEE IN MR. MANN'S LIST HERE
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THAT I WOULD PREFER THAT 7:00 AM TIME BE MOVED TO 8:00 AM AND I KNOW YOU WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT.I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE WE NEED TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TEAM.
WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT INTERNALLY.
WE NEED TO, WE'LL TAKE ADVISEMENT AGAIN, AGAIN, COME FIRST READING THESE QUESTIONS ARE GONNA COME BACK UP AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA AGREE TO SOMETHING, IT NEEDS TO BE IN WRITING.
UH, BUT I WOULD PREFER TO SEE, EVEN IF IT'S LIKE CERTAIN DAYS, I MEAN, 7:00 AM AND AGAIN, YOU GOT, WHEN YOU GET UP TO THE PHASE ONE AND YOU'RE IN THE, THAT ONE DEVELOPMENT'S BACKYARD SEVEN A NOT I GET UP AT SIX O'CLOCK, BUT I'M UNUSUAL OR MAY I THINK I AM.
A LOT OF PEOPLE SLEEP LATER THAN 7:00 AM AND UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, THOSE TRUCKS CAN BE REALLY LOUD.
SO I, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER AN EIGHT O'CLOCK START TIME.
YOU CAN BRING THE TRUCKS IN MAYBE AT SEVEN, BUT ACTUALLY OPERATING AT A LATER, LATER TIME.
WELL, AND, AND I WAS HERE FOR THE CAR DISCUSSION, SO I KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND.
I THINK ONE DIFFERENCE THOUGH, AND, AND AGAIN, IT'S BEING TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
ONE THING TO TAKE, WE NEED TO REMEMBER IN THIS CASE IS THAT'S FINE, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS, RIGHT? WE HAVE STRYKER ROAD, WHICH WILL BE USED HOPEFULLY INITIALLY, RIGHT.
TO GET IN THE INITIAL EQUIPMENT TO GET ON SITE TO BEGIN THE HORIZONTAL EARTH WORK FEATURES LIKE THAT.
THEN ONCE THAT, ONCE THEY'RE ON SITE, THEY'RE GONNA STAY THERE.
NOT REALLY COME IN AND OUT OF THE WORKERS FOR THE MOST PART.
THE, I THINK THE LOUDER STUFF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IS LIKE THE CONCRETE TRUCKS THAT COME IN ONCE HOUSE POURS START HAPPENING, UM, SOME OF THAT WILL HAPPEN PROBABLY BEFORE WE CAN GET OUR SPINE ROAD COMPLETED.
BUT THEN ONCE THE SPINE ROW IS COMPLETED, WE INTEND TO SHIFT THOSE OVER TO THAT SPINE ROAD AND NOT BE REALLY ON STRYKER AND THAT CLOSE.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY TOO, THE SPINE ROAD WILL BE A PUBLIC ROADWAY.
IT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HERS IN MARGARITAVILLE.
UM, AND I KNOW MR. MESMAN KNOWS THIS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE PUT THAT OUT THERE.
NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, WE CAN'T CONTROL LIKE, THE TIME OF THAT ROAD.
IF IT'S A PUBLIC ROADWAY, IT'S 24 HOURS A DAY.
SO, SO IT'S JUST, AGAIN, I JUST WANNA PUT THAT IT'S SOMETHING WE ALL NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND COME TO SOME AGREEMENTS ON BACKING RIGHT UP TO, AND IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE A GATEHOUSE.
AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT IS GOING TO BE OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY BECAUSE IT'S A BENEFIT.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S COLLECTOR ROAD, RIGHT? IT DISTRIBUTES TRACTOR.
BUT, BUT I DON'T WANNA LEAVE WITH A MISUNDERSTANDING THAT WE CAN LIMIT TIMES ON THAT.
WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DO WHERE EVERYBODY CAN LIVE WITH, YOU KNOW, IN, IN A COMPROMISE IS THAT ANY, SEE ALL THOSE PODS THAT ARE RIGHT UP AGAINST HOMES, YES.
WE COULD PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT THOSE CONSTRUCTION SITES CAN DO NOT START TILL A LATER TIME.
I, I DON'T CARE ABOUT POD C OVER THERE 'CAUSE IT'S A DISTANCE, BUT WHEN YOU GET UP TO POD EIGHT AND YOU KNOW, AND YEAH.
A, B AND O AND YOU'RE CONSTRUCTING, YOU KNOW, 10 FEET FROM SOMEBODY'S KITCHEN, YOU KNOW, I, I I THINK, I THINK WE COULD PUT SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT THOSE SITES CAN START LATER BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE BUILDING HOMES RIGHT UP THERE AND NO MATTER HOW BIG THE BUFFER IS, THOSE TRUCKS ARE GONNA BE LOUD FOR THOSE HOMES.
SO IF THERE'S SOME WAY WE CAN PUT LANGUAGE JUST FOR CERTAIN SITES, PRI DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? I DO.
AND I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT PARTS OF WHERE THOSE PODS FALL WITHIN THE IMP TO HELP KIND OF STRUCTURE THAT.
AND, AND THAT, THAT'S NOT THE FIRST HOMES BEING BUILT.
SO IT'S, BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA APPROVE A MASTER PLAN AND THIS PDD, THE LANGUAGE HAS TO GO IN NOW.
UM, I WANNA FOLLOW UP ON, ON ONE OF STEVE'S NOTES.
UM, I THINK WHEN YOU COME WITH THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN, YOU WANT US TO VOTE ON IT.
WE HAD DISCUSSION AND AT OUR RETREAT AND AMONG THE COUNCIL, WE, THE CITY CANNOT BE TOTALLY PROVIDE PARKS FOR EVERYONE AND WE CAN'T, 5-YEAR-OLD KIDS DON'T DRIVE TO THE DOG PARK BEHIND CITY HALL HERE.
SO WE WANT TO SEE EXACTLY, WE'RE GONNA PUT SOME PLAYGROUNDS, YOU'RE GONNA PUT IN SIDEWALKS AND WE APPLAUD THAT.
WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT IN A DOG PARK, YOU'RE GONNA PUT A LITTLE GRASSY AREA TO A BENCH FOR THE 'CAUSE THIS IS A FAMILY PLACE.
AND IF YOU DON'T PUT IT IN A PLAYGROUND, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE IT.
AND, AND WE, WE, I KNOW THIS COUNCIL WE DISCUSSED AT OUR RETREAT,
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WE WANT YOU TO PUT IN PLAYGROUNDS FOR FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.THAT WAS A QUITE AN AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT PUT INTO, AND WE CAN GO THROUGH IT IN MORE DETAIL WITH COUNCILOR WHENEVER YOU'D LIKE TO.
BUT, UH, ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS THAT, THAT THE PLAN HAS CHANGED, WHICH IS PART OF THE REASON OF BRINGING THIS PDD BACK OF, OF KIND OF BRINGING UP THE CURRENT STANDARDS AND INCLUDING QUITE A BIT OF ACTIVE OPEN SPACES IN THIS PROGRAM.
YOU CAN BE HAPPY WITH THE, THE END RESULT.
UH, I'M, I THINK I'M HITTING THE END OF MY LIST.
UM, BUT, UH, ONE OTHER NOTE THAT I HAD MADE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING, UM, A DETAILED EXPLANATION OF, OF STORMWATER FLOW ON PARTICULARLY PINE ARBOR ROAD, BUT ALSO I THINK THE COUNCIL WOULD BENEFIT WHEN WE GET AGAIN TO THOSE MARGARITAVILLE HOMES EXACTLY WHAT THE BUR PLANNING REPLACEMENT PLAN.
SO WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AND WHERE THE FENCE IS GOING TO GO.
'CAUSE UH, LAMAR I HEARD HIM GREETED.
EVERYBODY HEARD HIM SAY THAT, RIGHT? OKAY.
SO WE, WE, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE THINGS ARE TIED UP AND THEY'RE TIED UP IN WRITING AS PART OF THIS THING.
AND, AND BROWNIE, YOU UNDERSTAND IT.
'CAUSE WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS WITH MS. ROSS.
LET'S MAKE SURE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MITIGATION 50 FEET IS NOTHING AS WE KNOW.
SO, UM, I AM, I'M GOING TO STOP THERE.
I THINK I GOT ALL MY NOTES FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING NOTES THAT I MADE TODAY.
AND, UH, STEVE, MY COMPLIMENTS ON THIS LIST.
I KNOW YOU GOT IT FROM THE, UH, FROM THE RESIDENTS.
AND, UM, YOUR HONOR, OR, SO I'M GONNA GO BACK TO SLEEP, SO TURN IT BACK TO YOU.
DOES COUNSEL HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? YES, YOUR HONOR.
IS I ALL RIGHT, HAVE TO BEND THE KNEE.
WHEN YOU SAY THAT
UM, UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR THE DEVELOPER AND STAFF.
UH, YOUR INITIAL PROPOSALS ARE PODS, A, B, AND O.
AM I CORRECT? UM, IT'S GONNA BE THE, WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT INITIAL MAP ARE, I'M SORRY, IN THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN THAT YOU SAW? YES.
SO THAT ACTUALLY INCLUDES, UM, IT'S POD A, IT'S POD B, SO IT INCLUDES POD, WHOOPS, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
IT INCLUDES POD D, IT INCLUDES POD O.
YOU DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM.
WHAT? YEAH, I THINK THAT THE REASON I'M ASKING IS, IS I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE NUMBER OF HOMES IN EACH ONE OF THOSE PODS BECAUSE AS YOU COME BACK TO THIS COUNCIL, AND THIS WILL BE WITH, WHEN THIS COMES FOR A VOTE, WE WILL PUT THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT YOU WILL BUILD PRIOR TO COMPLETION OF THE SPINE ROPE.
JUST LIKE, JUST LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, WE WILL GIVE YOU A, A NUMBER AND WE EXPECT THAT NUMBER TO BE HELD TO.
UM, IT'S, WE'RE NOT PICKING ON YOU.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS REQUIRED.
AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO REQUIRE THIS AS WE GO ALONG BECAUSE IN THE PAST, THIS COUNCIL AND PRIOR TO IT, WE'VE BEEN BURNED.
WE'VE BEEN BURNED BY DEVELOPERS THAT SAYS, OH, THAT SPINE ROAD'S GONNA GO IN, EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE DONE AND IT'S NEVER COMPLETED.
UM, YEAH, WE'RE WISER NOW, AND WE'VE, WE, AND WE HAVE THAT NUMBER IDENTIFIED AS TO, AS TO WHEN THOSE IN, IN, IN EACH POD? YES.
IN THE, WELL IT'S, IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH OUR TRAFFIC STUDY THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
BUT I NEED THE PODS THAT YOU INTEND TO, TO, TO BEGIN WITH.
THAT'D BE THE A OBO AND WHATEVER ELSE YOU SAID THE NUMBER OF IN EACH ONE OF THOSE MM-HMM
WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT.
THAT WILL, BECAUSE WE WILL DEFINITELY WANNA PUT THAT INTO AT FIRST READING.
I HAVE ONE, ONE LAST QUESTION.
UM, IF YOU CAN PULL THAT MAP DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOMETHING AT THE VERY BOTTOM THERE THAT KIND OF SORTA GETS VERY CLOSE TO MILLSTONE LANDING.
IT'S NO STONE LANDING RIGHT HERE.
UM, I JUST WANNA KNOW HOW CLOSE THAT LITTLE SECTION IS GOING TO BE TO MILLSTONE LANDING, BECAUSE THERE IS SOME FEAR WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS THAT THE BORDERS ARE GOING TO BE UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL WITH THEM AS WELL.
AND I JUST WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT YOU PROPOSE TO DO
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TO MAINTAIN A DECENT BUFFER, UH, SO THAT THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT OVER THEIR FENCE AT, AT THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET CAME UP.I WAS THINKING BECAUSE, UM, TO ME IT'S LIKE, UM, I, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE MY BEDROOM LOOKING OVER THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
SO I JUST WANNA FIND OUT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING TO THAT, ABOUT THAT.
SO AS FAR AS IN TERMS OF THE, UM, ACTUAL GUESS MASTER PLAN, THAT AREA IS, IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN APPLICATION.
UM, IT IS OBVIOUSLY INCLUDED IN THE PDD.
SO THE, IN, WITHIN THE PDD, UM, THERE IS THAT 50 FOOT BUFFER THAT'S REQUIRED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE THING.
UM, BUT THE, THAT AREA WOULD COME BACK FOR ANOTHER MASTER PLAN.
SO THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT IN THE FUTURE OKAY.
UM, NO MORE QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? NO.
OKAY, SIR, I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP.
MAD CHAIR BEFORE YOU OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
THERE'S ONE THING I WANNA GET OUT THERE TO, TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON.
DREW, IF YOU COULD SCROLL TO THE TOP THERE.
IT'S REGARDING THE SIGNALED ACCESS ON 2 78 AND WANTED TO ASK EITHER STAFF OR, OR MAYBE MS. BEAL, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY OVER HERE HAD ITS OWN TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WAS PERFORMED AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
AND I BELIEVE THE THOUGHT WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME KIND OF SIGNALED INTERSECTION ACCESS ON 2 78 COMING FROM THIS PORTION, MORGAN, AND, AND WELL, YEAH, THE, THIS THE COMMERCIAL PORTION ASSOCIATED WITH MARGARITA DEVELOP HERE.
AND I'M, I'M GONNA LOOK AT LAMAR ON THAT.
WELL, I, AND WHERE I'M GOING IS, IF THAT IS THE CASE, IS THERE ANY CONCERN WITH REGARDS TO THE DISTANCING BETWEEN THOSE TWO? SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT APPROVING AN INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN, THAT BECOMES A CRITICAL QUESTION THAT, ABOUT THE DOWNSTREAM EFFECTS THAT IT COULD HAVE FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, AND THERE'S CERTAINLY BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY MM-HMM
THAT WAS DONE FOR THAT, UM, THE ANDERSON TRACK.
UM, AND AT THAT POINT, THE, THE 72 ACRE COMMERCIAL WAS NOT REALLY CAUGHT OUT.
I THINK THAT THAT CROSSOVER THERE.
AND I DON'T WANNA NO, YOU'RE THE EXPERT.
THANK, I CAN STILL REMEMBER SOME OF THIS STUFF.
I KNOW, BUT YES, WHEN WE DID THE ANDERSON TRACK TO YOUR, TO YOUR QUESTION MM-HMM
RIGHT THERE WERE, WE, THERE WAS AN EXCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN JUST FOR THAT SPECIFIC TRACK.
NOW IT TOOK INTO ACCOUNT MORGAN AND WEST ORIGIN ACROSS THE STREET.
'CAUSE THAT WAS CURRENT AT THE TIME.
UM, BUT IT WAS PLANNED AT THAT TIME.
THERE'S A, THERE'S PRIMARY ACCESS AT LATITUDE BOULEVARD, WHICH IS SIGNALED NOW MM-HMM
NOBODY KNOWS, BUT THERE IS OR WAS A PLAN FOR A SIGNAL MM-HMM
TO OCCUR, ESSENTIALLY MIDWAYS OF THE SUTTON PRO.
WE KEEP CALLING IT SUTTON, THE 72 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL MM-HMM
UM, BUT THAT STILL, I MEAN, IT STILL HAS TO COME BACK THROUGH LIKE ANY SIGNAL ON ANY ROADWAY HAS TO HAVE A SIGNAL WARRANT SURE.
WE KIND OF LOOKED AT SOME OF THAT STUFF, BUT DON'T KNOW THE TIMING OF REALLY THAT TRACK RELATED TO SPACING, BUT OKAY.
MY, MY CONCERN WOULD BE IS IF THIS WAS APPROVED FOR THE SIGNALED INTERSECTION HERE, IF THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY PRECLUDE ANY ADDITIONAL SIGNALED ACCESS THERE BECAUSE OF THE SPACING ISSUES, WOULD IT NOT MAKE MORE SENSE THEN TO LOOK AT SHIFTING THIS SIGNALED ACCESS FURTHER DOWN, AWAY FROM THE JOHN SMITH ROAD INTERSECTION AND HAVING ONE SIGNALED ACCESS THAT COULD SERVE BOTH PROPERTIES? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A MM-HMM
WE'LL TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT AND UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.
UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, THERE'S BEAUFORT COUNTY EVOLVED MM-HMM
THINK ABOUT IT LIKE LOOKING AT ACCESS SPACING, 78, NOTHING'S FINALIZED ON THAT.
I, I'LL JUST SAY LIKE OTHERS WILL TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT AND COME BACK TO, WE UNDERSTAND YOU RAISED YOUR SIR, BUT THE, UH, JOSH WITH THE SPACING, I MEAN, YOU COULD THROW A SOFTBALL BETWEEN THAT ENTRANCE AND MM-HMM
AND THE MARGARITAVILLE LIGHT, THE, THE SOLUTION IS TO KEEP PEOPLE OFF 2 78, MS. SPIELS.
THE SO WHAT WHAT WE NEED IS THAT FRONTAGE ROAD FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT TO THE MARGARITAVILLE LANE, AND THEN MARGARITAVILLE HAS THEIR OWN ACCESS POINTS.
AND SO IF PEOPLE, IF THE FLOW, IF THEY COME IN INTO THAT, LET'S SAY IT'S ALL BUILT UP THAT 72 ACRES, BUT THEN RATHER THAN ACCESS OUT ONTO 2 78, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCESS TO WHAT'S IT, LATITUDE BOULEVARD AND COME OUT THAT WAY.
LATITUDE BOULEVARD IS A PRIVATE ROAD THAT RIGHT.
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BUT I THINK THAT'S, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCEPTS.IS TO, RATHER THAN HAVE PEOPLE KEEP GOING ONTO 2 78, HAVE THESE FRONTAGE ACCESSES, IT'S BEFORE THE GATE.
BEFORE IT IS BEFORE IT IS BEFORE THE GATE.
UM, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR, FOR EVERYBODY, BUT IT, WITH IT BEING A PRIVATE ROAD THAT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC, UH, FOR TURNING THAT INTO A PUBLIC ROAD IS BASICALLY WHAT IT WOULD BE.
UM, I LIKE THE IDEA BETTER OF MOVING THAT SPINE ROAD OVER CLOSER TO, UH, THE EAST AND PUT A SIGNAL THERE.
THE IDEAL THING IS, UH, KEEP SIGNALS A HALF MILE APART.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE, BUT IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE.
THE MORGAN TRACT IS KINDA LIKE THE FLY IN THE SOUP FOR EVERYBODY RIGHT NOW.
IF THERE IT SITS, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH IT OR WHEN IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST SIDE.
NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DEVELOPMENT ON THE WEST SIDE.
ACCESS IS ALWAYS GONNA BE THE ISSUE FOR, FOR BOTH DEVELOPMENTS.
IT'S TOUGH TO BALANCE THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL PARTIES.
ALL I CAN SAY IS, LET US LOOK AT IT A LITTLE CLOSER.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE A FINAL ANSWER WHEN WE COME BACK, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO BE STUDIED.
'CAUSE YOU CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA GO ON RECORD AND TRY TO LOCK THAT DOWN.
WE'LL HAVE AN ACCESS POINT, BUT IT, SO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME FINALITY TO IT.
ANOTHER THING TOO IS WE GOTTA TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, I KNOW EVERYONE, YOU GUYS KNOW THIS IS WE GOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN THAT THAT'S ONE ISSUE WHEN YOU HAVE STRIKE ERO, THERE'S A, THERE'S A BUNCH OF WETLANDS LINED UP ON THAT SIDE.
WELL, YOU GOTTA HAVE A JUSTIFICATION FOR HAVING THAT ALSO.
AND SAFETY AND TRAFFIC IS A SERIOUS CONCERN.
I'M NOT SAYING IT WOULDN'T PASS MUSTER, BUT IT'S JUST, WE NEED TO THINK THROUGH ALL THOSE.
WELL, JUST, JUST SAYING THAT IF THE IDEA IS TO MAKE THAT ONE PORTION OF LATITUDE BOULEVARD INTO A PUBLIC ROAD, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE MY LIFE A NIGHTMARE.
AND I DON'T WANT GET INTO SPLINTER IN THIS CONVERSATION FOR THAT.
I REALIZE THAT'S, THAT'S OUT THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT I HEAR YOU.
BUT
SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN THE FLOOR TO
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
THE PUBLIC, AND WHAT I ASK IS, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE QUESTIONS, WHEN YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, AND IF SOMEONE IS, HAS ALREADY ASKED THE SAME QUESTION, ASK A DIFFERENT QUESTION, UH, SO THAT WE, UH, MANAGE TIME.SO WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? JIM, GO.
I'M A RESIDENT OF, UH, PHASE FOUR IN, IN MAR RUEL.
UM, UH, FIRST OFF, UH, WELL, AND MY HOUSE IS RIGHT THERE.
SO,
UH, ALSO, I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR.
UH, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND THE CONCERNS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY RAISED WERE ONES THAT I HAD, AND I, I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS.
I REALLY DON'T HAVE A QUESTION AS MUCH AS I HAVE A COMMENT THAT I WANTED TO SHARE, UH, AN EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE THAT HOPEFULLY YOU CAN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS.
UM, I'VE, UH, MOVED TO MARGARITA ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
PRIOR TO THAT, I WAS LIVING IN THE OSA CREEK SUBDIVISION IN NORTH CHARLESTON.
IT'S A GOLF COURSE COMMUNITY WITH ABOUT 600 HOMES.
I WAS, UH, THE TREASURY SECRETARY OF THE HOA THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
AND, UH, WE EXPERIENCED A SIMILAR SITUATION.
WE HAD, UH, WE HAD, UH, A, A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT CAME UP, UH, THAT WAS BUILT SHORTLY AFTER I MOVED THERE.
SHORTLY AFTER I WAS THERE, UH, WAS PROBABLY ABOUT THE SIZE OF THIS INITIAL DEVELOPMENT OF 1300 OR SO HOMES THAT THEY BUILT.
THERE WERE, UH, WETLANDS AND, UH, WOODLANDS BETWEEN THE TWO SUBDIVISIONS.
BUT CLEARLY WHAT WE STARTED EXPERIENCING AS THE HOUSES WERE BEING BUILT WAS THAT, UH, WE HAD, UH, SEVERAL YOUTHS INCURSIONS INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, A NUMBER OF CARS WERE BROKEN INTO, UH, ONE, UH, AND ON THE COUNCIL, I WAS HEARING THAT ALL THE TIME.
UH, THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON ONE NIGHT, WE HAD AS MANY AS 12 CARS THAT WERE BROKEN INTO.
GOT TO BE A COMMON EXPERIENCE.
UH, WE HAD VERY GREAT GOOD COOPERATION WITH THE NORTH CHARLESTON POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE DORCHESTER COUNTY POLICE.
UH, BUT THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THEY COULD DO AT TWO AND THREE IN THE MORNING TO BE ABLE TO POLICE THE AREA.
UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T HAVE ADEQUATE, UH, UH, PROTECTION TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM COMING IN AND OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, MY BIG CONCERN IS THAT PROTECTION.
I KNOW IT WAS RAISED, UH, AND THE MAYOR BROUGHT A LOT OF GREAT POINTS UP ABOUT A FENCE, ABOUT A BERM.
AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS REALLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, UH, TO HELP US BECAUSE I, I DON'T WANT THE SAME PROBLEM.
THE PROBLEM WE, WE SAW NOT ONLY WITH THE YOUTH, UH, AS SOME OF THE NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORS BEGAN TO CONFRONT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY START WATCHING ON THEIR, THEIR CAMS AT NIGHT AND WHATEVER.
UH, WE, WE HAD A COUPLE HOSTILE, UH, INTERACTIONS AND, UH, WE STAR SAW A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORS, UH, BEGINNING TO ARM THEMSELVES.
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YOU KNOW, THEIR, WHERE IT WAS GOING WAS NOT, IT WAS KIND OF GETTING UGLY.THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I MOVED DOWN HERE.
SO I DON'T WANT TO HAVE REPEAT THAT SITUATION.
BUT APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UH, WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS.
I, I APPRECIATE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO LET ME TALK.
I'M JOHN THOMPSON, 93 PARROT, WHICH IS ONE OF THE CLOSER ONES TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AS I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT, WE PROBABLY DO HAVE A 50 FOOT, UH, DISTANCE TO STRIKE A ROAD, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A BERM.
THE IDEA OF A FENCE IS GREAT, BUT A PARTIAL FENCE IS NOT GONNA WORK.
IT'S GONNA BE ALL THERE, THE WHOLE DOWN THE WHOLE THING.
BECAUSE KIDS ARE GONNA FIND A WAY.
THEY'RE GONNA SAY, OH, WELL, WE'LL JUST FOLLOW IT DOWN.
AND, OH, WE CAN GET AROUND HERE.
MARGARITAVILLE HAS ATTRACTIVE NUISANCES.
WE HAVE UNFENCED PONDS, WE HAVE TWO SWIMMING POOLS THAT ARE NOT THAT HARD TO GET INTO IF YOU REALLY WANT TO.
AND OUR FEAR IS THAT KIDS ARE GONNA COME ACROSS, STRIKE A ROAD IF THEY DON'T GET HIT TO BEGIN WITH AND GET HARMED.
NOW, AS A 55 COMMUNITY, WE'RE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT NOT DOING THAT.
UH, BUT WE'VE ALL BEEN KIDS AND WE KNOW THAT, OH, WELL, WE'LL JUST GO OVER AND LOOK AT THAT.
NO, IF THERE'S A FENCE, I WANTED THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF STRYKER ROAD, PUT GATES IN WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO, BUT AT LEAST MAKE THEM THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING FIRST.
UM, JUST AS A THOUGHT THERE WAS THE CONCERN ABOUT THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, UM, I WAS THINKING JUST PUT LONGER ACCESS LANES ON IT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THE TRUCKS ACTUALLY HAVE A CHANCE TO GET OFF THE ROAD AND SLOW DOWN AND BE OUT OF THE TRAFFIC AND COMING BACK IN.
I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR EFFORT AND CONCERN ON THIS AREA.
I DIDN'T DOT UH, WELL, LET'S ROLL BACK THE TAPE.
UH, DAVID BAKER, UH, MARGARITAVILLE.
BUT MINE, MY, MOST OF MY COMMENTS AREN'T RELATED NECESSARILY TO THE BERM.
I, I'M AWARE, VERY AWARE OF THAT.
LIVED THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE.
UH, JUST MORE OR LESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE.
UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY STUDIES DONE RELATED TO, UH, BECAUSE I PRESUME THIS IS A FAMILY DEVELOPMENT ABOUT THE IMPACT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT WHAT THE ADDITIONAL, UH, FAMILIES AND ADDITIONAL CHILDREN WOULD HAVE IN HERE? JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF, I KNOW IT ISN'T NECESSARILY THE CITY COUNCIL'S PURVIEW TO WORRY ABOUT THAT, BUT I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE, UH, WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING THIS.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT I HAD WAS THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT THERE IS SOME LARGE, UH, UTILITY RIGHT OF WAYS, UH, THAT CURRENTLY EXIST IN THIS PROPERTY, BOTH KIND OF OVER BY THE JOHN SMITH ROAD AS WELL AS ALONG 46.
IS THERE ANY PLANS ABOUT WHAT YOU WILL DO WITH THAT? OR IS YOU GONNA LEAVE IT ALONE? IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANNA DO WITH THAT PROPERTY? ARE YOU SORRY, UH, MR. BAKER.
MR. BAKER, UM, YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE, THE OVERHEAD POWER LINES, RIGHT? YEAH, HIGH VOLTAGE LINES.
ENERGY CONTROL, WELL, DOMINION ENERGY, ENERGY, AND CENTRAL ELECTRIC, BUT FOR THEIR, SINCE, YEAH, I COULDN'T THINK OF THEIR NAMES.
ANYWAY, THERE'S TWO ENTITIES THAT OWN THE SAN COOPER.
DOMINION'S ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN THERE IN QUITE A FEW MONTHS, BUT WE ACTUALLY, THEY CAME TO, THEY CAME TO US WHO WANTED ADDITIONAL, UH, ACREAGE FOR A SUBSTATION SITE ON HIGHWAY 46.
AS WELL AS LETTING US KNOW THEY WERE GOING TO BE REBUILDING THAT WHOLE TRANSMISSION LINE ALL THE WAY.
WELL, SOME DISTANCE HEADED INTO BLUFFTON, THEY'RE REBUILDING ALL THE TRANSMISSION LINES IN THE AREA.
NOT JUST THAT AREA ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY, OUTSIDE.
AND, AND LAMAR, WOULD IT BE AN ACCURATE STATEMENT TO SAY, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY MAY ALLOW FOR CROSSINGS OR ROADS, BUT THEY DON'T ALLOW FOR ANY STRUCTURES? THAT'S RIGHT.
TO BE BUILT WITHIN THEIR EASEMENT AREAS.
HORIZONTAL IMPROVEMENT, BUT NOT REALLY ANY VERTICAL, ASIDE FROM SOME BASIC LANDSCAPE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE A SUGGESTION TO THE DEVELOPERS, IT'S ON THE SPINE ROAD.
WE SET A 10 FOOT, UH, MULTI-USE PATHWAY ALONG THE ENTIRE LENGTH.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE 12 IF WE COULD GET IT.
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YOU KNOW, THAT'S FOR SOMETHING YOU TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ON.I WOULD LIKE TO SEE 12 FOOT ALSO.
I WOULD REC, I WOULD AS A RECOMMENDATION, I WOULD SAY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT TO ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD AND MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF CROSSOVERS THAT PEOPLE MAY HAVE TO MAKE.
THERE ARE SOME PLACES WHERE I'VE BEEN WHERE THEY CONTINUALLY FLOP IT ONE SIDE THEN THE OTHER, THEN THE OTHER BACK AND FORTH, AND THEN HAVE MULTIPLE, UH, CROSSINGS OF PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS ON OF THAT SPINE ROAD.
SO IF YOU COULD MINIMIZE THOSE CROSSINGS, THAT WOULD BE, UH, GOOD.
AND UM, LASTLY, UH, I'M AWARE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LIGHT AT JOHN SMITH.
I THINK THAT WE'VE ALREADY GONE OVER THE SPACING OF THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS, AND I THINK THAT THAT MORE THOUGHT HAS TO BE PUT INTO THAT TO, UH, MINIMIZE THE, UH, NUMBER OF TRAFFIC LIGHTS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ON, ON, UH, 2 78.
UH, MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE SC DOTS AND OTHER DOTS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THE SPEED LIMIT LOWERED TO 55 THERE.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM IF YOU HAVE TOO MANY LIGHTS ALONG THERE, IT'S JUST GONNA CAUSE A TRAFFIC ISSUE.
BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR COMMENTS.
THANK YOU ELISA, TO 93 PARROT AVENUE.
UM, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS WERE ADDRESSED BY THE COUNCIL.
UM, MS. GUZMAN, I DO HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO THE WASTEWATER OR STORM WATER.
I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED DURING THE BIG STORMS THAT WE HAD EARLIER OR LAST YEAR, HOW IN MARGARITAVILLE THINGS SLOPE RIGHT INTO THE PROPERTY THERE.
SO WE HAD NO WATER INCURSION INTO OUR, INTO OUR LAWN, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT, AND WE'RE CONSIDERED FLOOD ZONE X.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS THIS GOES FORWARD, AND I KNOW IN TALKING TO MR. MESMAN, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE ANY INCURSION OVER.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE AS THE A HUNDRED YEAR PLAN, WHATEVER IS DONE THAT WILL CONTINUE.
I REALLY DON'T WANNA HAVE TO GET FLOOD INSURANCE AND OF COURSE, FLOODED OR FLOODED FIRST.
AND THEN GET, AND THEN GET FLOOD INSURANCE.
SO THANK YOU FOR LOOKING INTO THAT.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, ARE THESE GONNA BE ONE OR TWO STORY HOMES? IT'LL, IT'LL BE A VARIATION.
THIS IS NOT A SPECIFIC, UH, OUTLINE RIGHT NOW OF THE, THE SPECIFIC FLOOR POINTS.
BECAUSE PART OF THAT IS RELATED TO NOISE AND LIGHT.
SO AS YOU KNOW, UM, WHERE WE ARE, THERE'S NO BURN BEHIND US AND STRIKER ROAD.
WE, THE TRUCKS GO THROUGH ALL THE TIME RIGHT NOW FOR MENT.
AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO MENT ABOUT THAT, COMPLAINING TO MENT FRANKLY, BUT, SO WE CAN SEE IT.
SO WHAT WE, WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS AS THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES IN, WILL, THERE'LL BE HEADLIGHTS COMING IN.
WILL THERE BE LIGHT COMING IN FROM THE TOP OF THE TWO STORY HOMES? I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE 10 FOOT FENCE.
WILL THAT TAKE CARE OF ANY PEOPLE FROM THE TOP OF THE TWO STORY HOME LOOKING DOWN INTO OUR PROPERTIES? UM, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND I HAVE SOME, UM, FRIENDS THAT LIVE JUST DOWN THE ROAD.
THEY'RE SINGLE, THEY'RE IN THEIR FIFTIES AND SIXTIES.
THEY'RE VERY, VERY SCARED ABOUT THE PRO ABOUT THIS GOING IN BECAUSE THEY ARE SINGLE AND THEY'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR SECURITY.
SO WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE FENCE, LIKE IF YOU CAN DO THE WHOLE THING, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO NOT GET IN THE SITUATION THAT JIM WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT HE, UM, HAD IN HIS DEVELOPMENT AND STORY HUM, LIGHT NOISE.
AND ONE OTHER THING WITH STRYKER ROAD 8:00 AM WOULD BE GREAT TO START THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT WHAT WE ARE FINDING IS MENT DURING THEIR CONSTRUCTION, THEY HAVE TRUCKS GO IN EARLIER TO QUOTE STAGE.
THEY'RE NOT REALLY CONSTRUCTING, BUT I'M RETIRED AND I HATE BEING WOKEN UP AT SIX, AROUND SIX O'CLOCK EVERY MORNING WITH THE TRUCKS COMING DOWN STRYKER ROAD RIGHT NOW.
AND I AM, AS I SAID, I AM COMPLAINING TO MENTO CONSTRUCTION.
UM, ANY WAY TO MINIMIZE THAT, I THINK PUTTING THEM INTO, INSTEAD OF FIRST GEAR, PUTTING THEM HIGHER GEAR, I THINK COULD HELP KEEPING THE ROAD SMOOTH.
THERE ARE A LOT OF POTHOLES BACK THERE.
AND THEN ANYTHING TO MINIMIZE DUST, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE CLOUDS OF DUST OFTEN DEPENDING ON THE YEAR AS AS THE TRUCKS GO DOWN.
UM, WATERING DOWN THE LOADS, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE MOVING DIRT AROUND PROBABLY RIGHT? AS WELL AS LOG.
SO ANYTHING YOU COULD DO TO MINIMIZE THAT SO WE DON'T HAVE DUST COMING INTO OUR, UM, LANAI AND OVER THE TOP OF OUR HOUSES WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING ALL OF THIS.
I'M GONNA SHOW YOU MY COMPUTER SCREEN.
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SHOW IT TO THE DEVELOPERS FIRST.UH, IF YOU CAN GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
ANSLEY FAGAN 5 4 6 SAWMILL ROAD IN THE MILLSTONE LANDING DEVELOPMENT.
I CAN EITHER PUT MY COMPUTER UP THERE OR I CAN TRY AND TURN IT HERE, BUT I GLADLY SHOW IT TO Y'ALL.
UM, IF THE COUNCIL CAN SEE THIS PHOTO, THIS IS A PHOTO OF MY BACKYARD, UM, THAT IS FLOODED IN A VERY MINOR RAINSTORM AND MY PROPERTY DIRECTLY ABUTS TO THE MORGAN TRACT.
THERE IS NO BUFFER, THERE IS NOT A STRIKER ROAD BETWEEN MY PROPERTY AND THE MORGAN TRACT.
THERE IS A DIRECT BACK POINT TO MY HOME AND THE MORGAN TRACT.
SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS, AS YOU CAN ALSO SEE IN THIS PICTURE, IS WILL THE DEVELOPERS BE USING THESE DIRT ROADS THAT ARE BEHIND THE MILLSTONE LANDING FOR INSTRUCTION? AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, WHERE IS THE ACCESS POINT ON 46, UM, TO GET INTO THE PROPERTY ON MORGAN, ON THE MORGAN TRACT IN ORDER TO, UM, BUILD AND DEVELOP THE HOMES THAT Y'ALL HAVE PLANNED FOR THE MORGAN TRACT? UM, I KNOW THAT, THAT THE AREA DOWN BY MILLSTONE LANDING IS NOT IN THE FIRST PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT AS THE ENTIRE, UM, THE ENTIRE PDD IS UP FOR DISCUSSION TODAY.
I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT MILLSTONE LANDING, WHICH IS AN AREA THAT HAS 54 HOMES RIGHT NOW AND HAS A PLAN FOR AT LEAST 160 HOMES, UM, BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS THE CON UH, MORGAN TRACT CONTINUES TO DEVELOP.
UM, I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT THE DEVELOPERS UPDATE THEIR PDD TO INCLUDE THE HOMES THAT ARE IN MILLSTONE LANDING, SO THAT WHEN IT COMES BEFORE THE COUNCIL, THE COUNCIL CAN SEE HOW MANY HOMES THERE ARE AND THAT ARE PLANNED TO BE THERE LIKE THEY'RE DOING FOR MARGARITAVILLE.
YES, LIKE THEY'RE DOING FOR MARGARITAVILLE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE THERE.
HOWEVER, OUR, OUR WONDERFUL LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD, ALTHOUGH WE MAY BE 54 HOMES, WE ARE SMALL BUT MIGHTY AND WE CARE ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS LAND.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, AND I CAN GO AND POINT ON THAT MAP DIRECTLY WHERE MY HOME IS, BUT IT IS ALL YELLOW DIRECTLY BEHIND MY HOME.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE, THERE IS A DIRT ROAD DIRECTLY BEHIND MY HOME.
IT WILL BE IMMEDIATELY BEHIND MY HOME.
I WOULD ASK THAT AT BARE MINIMUM THERE IS A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER PLACED BEHIND OUR HOME AND THAT THE DEVELOPERS CERTIFY AND STAY IN FRONT OF THIS COUNCIL, THAT AT BARE MINIMUM, IF THERE IS NOT A FENCE, THEY WILL PLANT AND HEAVILY FOREST THIS BUFFER.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE MASSIVE WETLANDS IN THIS AREA.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS MAP ACCURATELY REFLECTS THE CURRENT FEMA FLOODPLAIN, WHICH I HAVE PRINTED AND LOOKED AND PINPOINTED MY ADDRESS ON.
I AM IN AE ACCORDING TO THIS MAP THAT I PRINTED ON JANUARY 31ST AND THIS MAP DIRECT SHOWS ALSO WHERE MY PROPERTY IS IN LINE WITH THE MORGAN TRACT.
I DO BELIEVE THERE NEEDS TO BE CONSIDER CONSIDERATION FOR THE PINE ARBOR AREA.
UM, WE HAVE CONSISTENTLY FLOODED EVEN IN SMALL RAIN.
THIS IS AN ISSUE WITH OUR COMMUNITY AS WE ARE STILL IN DEVELOPMENT.
I FORESEE IT TO CONTINUE TO BE A PROBLEM AS DEVELOPMENT GOES THROUGH IN THIS AREA.
AND I WOULD HIGHLY ASK THAT THIS COUNCIL CONSIDER, CONTINUE TO ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE.
SO GRACIOUSLY ASKED ABOUT THE FLOODING.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I DO THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION TRAFFIC, UM, ON 46 AS WELL.
WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT 2 78.
AND AGAIN, I KNOW THIS IS FAR DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THERE IS THE MILLSTONE LANDING DEVELOPMENT AND THERE'S GOING TO BE UP TO 6,700 HOMES HERE.
MILLSTONE LANDING ONLY HAS ONE EXIT OUT OF THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE HAD A MEETING WITH OUR HOA THIS PAST WEEK AND THEY HAVE TOLD US THERE WILL BE NO OTHER EXIT, MEANING THAT ANY LEFT TURN OUT OF MILLSTONE LANDING ONTO 46 WILL BECOME INCREASINGLY DANGEROUS WITH THE TRAFFIC THAT HAS CONTINUED TO DEVELOP IN THIS AREA.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE MULTIPLE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING UP ON 46.
WE NEED TO CONTIN CONSIDER ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS IN GLOBO AND NOT JUST ONE AT A TIME.
HARDEE IS VASTLY GROWING AND I AM NOT ONE TO PAUSE DEVELOPMENT IN ANY SORT OF WAY, BUT COMING FROM A TOWN IN LOUISIANA THAT HAS GONE THROUGH THE SAME BOOM AT ONE POINT, I CAN SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL
AND WE ARE GOING TO RUN INTO THESE SAME ISSUES WHERE IT'S GONNA TAKE 50 MINUTES TO GO FROM ONE SIDE OF HARDY V TO ANOTHER.
AND WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT IN BLUFFTON AND WE SEE IT IN HILTON HEAD, WE SEE IT IN POOLER AND WE SEE IT ON ALL THESE AREAS THAT HAVE VERY
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SIMILAR DEVELOPMENTS.SO I JUST ASK THAT WE KEEP CONTINUING TO THESE THINGS AND AS THE DEVELOPMENTS GO ON IN THE DIFFERENT PODS THROUGHOUT THE UH, THE MORGAN TRACK, WE CONTINUE TO ASK THESE SAME QUESTIONS.
MAY IOUS I'LL GLADLY POINT OUT WHERE I AM ON THIS MAP.
THERE IS A PLANNED ROAD PROBABLY RIGHT BEHIND US AND THERE'S MAYBE A 50 FOOT BUFFER.
AND WE HAVE NO WETLAND BUFFER BETWEEN US.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE WORKSHOPS AND INVITE THE PUBLIC, MA'AM.
AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US UP HERE, WE WE'RE SO CONCENTRATED ON THE EAST SIDE AND, AND THAT'S A LATER PHASE THAT WE HAVE NOT TAKEN A LOOK AT AT MILLSTONE.
AND I WOULD SAY MR. GRUBER, THAT I THINK THIS COUNCIL SHOULD GIVE AS MUCH ATTENTION TO MILLSTONE LANDING.
AND YOU SAY 54 HOMES, WE APPROVED 630 HOMES, CORRECT? IN MILLSTONE LANDING.
SO ALL THAT ENTIRE WHITE PART HAS NOTHING BUT YELLOW NEXT TO IT.
AND WE HAVE NOT EVEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT THANK TO YOU.
HI, MY NAME IS, UH, ROBERT HELM.
UM, I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND ONE COMMENT.
UM, MY HOUSE IS GONNA BE RIGHT THERE ON THE POD B UH, MY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU GONNA JUST LET CLEAR ALL THOSE TREES UP TO STRIKER ROAD OR ARE YOU GONNA LEAVE A, A BUFFER BETWEEN STRIKER ROAD AND UH, POD B AS AS AS SOME TREES OR ALL THE TREES ARE GONNA BE GONE UP TO THE ROAD? THAT'S A, WASN'T IT? I, I BELIEVE THIS IS PART OF THE BUFFER.
THAT, UH, WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE 50 FOOT BUFFER AND IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED.
WE DON'T WANT LITTLE SCRAGGLY TREES.
WE WANT DENSE VEGETATION TO BE PLANTED AND THE POSSIBILITY OF WHERE POD B INTERSECTS ALONG, UH, STRYKER ROAD THERE FENCING.
I WILL, I I'M NOT GONNA BACK OFF ON FENCING ALONG THAT.
UH, YEAH, BUT MY QUESTION IS FROM, UH, FROM STRYKER ROAD, IS THERE GONNA BE 50 FOOT OF TREES LEFT ON, ON THE MORGAN SIDE? UH, ON POD? THE YELLOW PART? YEAH.
SO THERE WILL BE 50 FEET, 50 A 50 FOOT BUFFER IS REQUIRED OF TREES.
AND JUST HAVE PLANT GRASS, WHATEVER'S THERE, STEVE, WHATEVER.
SO THE EXISTING NATURAL BUFFER, WHAT IS THERE IN PLACE NOW WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE LEFT? OKAY.
AND THEN OUR CODE REQUIRES CERTAIN PLANTING STANDARDS THAT ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO BE INCORPORATED.
SO TO SAY EXACTLY WHAT TYPE IS THERE.
IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT'S THERE IN PLACE NOW, BUT WHATEVER'S THERE IN PLACE, 50 FEET OF IT REMAINS AS LONG AS THEY WEREN'T GONNA CLEAR CUT RIGHT UP TO THE ROAD.
BECAUSE I HAVE A ABOUT A, A BERM NOW WITH SOME TREES AND THERE'S SOME TREES BEHIND THERE.
WHICH I'D LIKE TO IF THEY WOULD STAY.
UH, THE OTHER, MY OTHER COMMENT, AND I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD FOR EVERYBODY, BUT CAN THE SPINE ROAD BE MOVED TO THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY? AND I KNOW THAT BRINGS, UH, A WHOLE LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR EVERYBODY, BUT UH, UH, THAT WOULD GIVE EVERYBODY, UH, UH, IN MARGARITAVILLE A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM.
UM, IT WOULDN'T BE, UH, IT'D BE A LITTLE BIT, UH, IT'D BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IF, IF THE, IF THE, IF THE, UH, SPINE ROAD COULD BE MOVED TO THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY.
THE GEOGRAPHY OF THE LO OF THE SPINE, THAT WOULDN'T WORK.
I BELIEVE THAT SPINE ROAD IS, UH, THE ORIGINAL FROM 2006 ESSENTIALLY.
WE'RE, IT IS LOCKED IN AND JUST FOLLOWING THE GREEN PATCHES, YOU FOLLOW THE YELLOW DOWN THROUGH IT, MA'AM.
IT AVOIDS IT MINIMIZE AS WELL IF THAT, AND SIR, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, KIND OF, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH A, A REVIEW PROCESS AT THE STATE LEVEL WITH REGARDS TO THE WETLAND IMPACTS.
AND BASICALLY THE ASSUMPTION IS IF YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH YOUR GOAL BY IMPACTING LESS WETLANDS, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE PUSHED TO DO.
ANYBODY ELSE? RETIRED? ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
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NO.ANYTHING KATIE FROM SOCIAL MEDIA? NO.
OKAY, SIR, THIS IS NOT RELATED, BUT IT IS
UM, I KNOW THE HOYER GROUP AND DR HORTON IS NOT PRESENTING, BUT WE HAVE, UH, BEEN DISCUSSING FOR TWO YEARS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN.
AND I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY INVOLVED WITH THAT, THAT, UH, WE BRING THIS FORWARD AND WE, AND JOSH, YOU WEREN'T PART OF IT, BUT WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TAKING A GROUP OF HOUSES, UM, OR FINDING THINGS AND DOING, UH, A HARVEY PLACE KIND OF THING THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
AND I, I WOULD, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT WITH, WITH STEFAN A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
THAT IS TOO IMPORTANT TO THE CITY.
WE HAVE A, UH, LANDOWNER, A BUILDER WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE SAME END.
LET'S GET IT BACK ON THE TABLE.
LET'S GET A COMPLETE, LET'S GET A, A ATTORNEY REVIEWS AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
AND LET'S GET AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE HOER INVESTMENT GROUP.
I JUST WANT TO, I DON'T WANT EVERYBODY FORGET ABOUT THAT.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? JUST, SO NEXT STEPS.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE A CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THE FIRST READ AFTER THEY MADE MODIFICATIONS.
DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT'S GONNA BE? UH, I BELIEVE.
UM, MR. GRUBA, DO YOU HAVE ANY FEBRUARY 20TH? MM-HMM.
THIS WILL COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL FOR FIRST READING.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, IF THERE'S CHANGES MADE BY THE DEVELOPER REQUESTS THAT IT MAY BE DELAYED, BUT THE FIRST READING WILL BE, UM, AT THAT DATE.
AND JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS, THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO ADDRESS A COUNCIL AND THE DEVELOPER AT THAT TIME AND AT THE SECOND READING TWO WEEKS AFTER THAT.
SO THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME FOR PUBLIC INPUT.
AND THAT'S AT FIVE O'CLOCK USUALLY? YES.
THE MAYOR HAS REMINDED ME THAT IF THE QUESTIONS POSED SOME HERE TODAY AND BY COUNSEL AT FIRST READING, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TABLE THIS AND WE HAVE TABLED, UM, OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE PAST UNTIL WE FIND, GET THE ANSWERS.
UH, MR. WHITE HAS SAID SOMETHING THAT REALLY RINGS TRUE.
LET'S NOT BE IN A HURRY TO MAKE A MISTAKE.
AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE THIS COUNCIL HAS TAKEN IT UPON THEMSELVES TO GET ALL THOSE ANSWERS BEFORE WE TAKE THAT.
I THINK THIRD TIME'S GONNA BE A CHARM
UM, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THERE ARE BEING NONE.
[III. ADJOURNMENT]
A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.