[00:00:46] >> WE HAVE ALREADY HAD OUR INVOCATION, THE PLEDGE AND THE CALL TO ORDER PRIOR TO OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION, SO THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO RETURN FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION TO REGULAR SESSION. WE NEED A MOTION TO RETURN FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION TO REGULAR SESSION. >> MOTION TO RETURN TO REGULAR SESSION. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> THE MOTION CARRIES. I HAVE A ANNOUNCEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE. DUE TO NOTIFICATION AND SCHEDULING CONFLICTS, [NOISE] ALL HILTON HEAD LAKES, WEST MATTERS, DA, AND THE PDD WILL BE ON THE FEBRUARY 20TH, 2025 AGENDA. THANK YOU. >> [BACKGROUND] NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMENT. CINDY, DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP? NEXT, WE HAVE PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS. TODAY, WE HAVE MISS PEG HARVEY. [A. SUMMARY OF HEARTBEAT OF HARDEEVILLE PROCESS BY PEG HARVEY] >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MISS PEG. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> MY NAME IS PEG HARVEY, AND I LIVE AT 808 SUMMERTIME PLACE. FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, I'VE BEEN A PART OF THE COMMITTEE THAT RECOGNIZES OUTSTANDING CITIZEN OF OUR COMMUNITY. THE AWARD IS CALLED THE HEARTBEAT OF HARDEEVILLE. THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE MYSELF, CINDY WILLIAMS, STEVE MIRASMAN, CAROLYN KASSEL, , AND CINDI OLIVER. THESE ARE THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR A NOMINATION. MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY IN GOOD STANDING, OVER THE AGE OF 21, CAN BE AN INDIVIDUAL, BUSINESS, COMMUNITY, OR A CHURCH. CITY EMPLOYEES AND ELECTED OFFICIALS AND PREVIOUS WINNERS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE. THE NOMINATION WINDOW IS JANUARY 1 THROUGH 31, AND THE NOMINATION FORM IS AVAILABLE ONLINE AND AT CITY HALL. THE SELECTION PROCESS INCLUDES A REVIEW BY THE COMMITTEE. ALL NOMINEES WHO MEET THE CRITERIA WILL BE CONSIDERED. CRITERIA AND QUALIFICATIONS, HELPS NEIGHBORS AND FELLOW HARDEEVILLE CITIZENS, DEMONSTRATES HOSPITALITY AND IS RESPECTED BY THEIR PEERS, [NOISE] PROMOTES AND PRESERVES A SMALL TOWN ATMOSPHERE, STRIVES TO MAKE A POSITIVE IMPACT BY IDENTIFYING AND FULFILLING A COMMUNITY NEED. THE WINNER WILL BE RECOGNIZED AND INTRODUCED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND SOCIAL MEDIA, LOCAL NEWS AND/OR PRESS RELEASES ADDED TO THE AWARD PLAQUE IN CITY HALL, AND WILL RECEIVE A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR. THE RECOGNITION WILL BE GIVEN IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, AND THIS YEAR'S AWARD WILL BE PRESENTED ON THE 20TH OF FEBRUARY. THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT PERSON WOULD BE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE ACCOUNTS PAYABLE CLERK, MISS BROOKE JONES. [C. INTRODUCTION OF ACCOUNTS PAYABLE CLERK-BROOKE JONES] >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. IT'S MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE BROOKE JONES TO YOU. SHE STARTED WITH US LAST MONDAY, SO SHE'S FINISHING UP HER SECOND WEEK, AND WE TOLD HER WALKING IN THE DOOR WE'RE GOING TO THROW A LOT AT YOU, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET US KNOW, AND SHE HAS HIT THE FLOOR RUNNING, AND SHE'S BEEN AN ABSOLUTE JOY TO WORK WITH. I'LL LET HER TELL YOU A FEW THINGS ABOUT HERSELF. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BROOKE. THANK YOU-ALL FOR HAVING ME HERE TONIGHT, GIVING ME THE TIME TO SPEAK. [00:05:02] EVERYONE HERE HAS BEEN VERY WELCOMING, AND VERY KIND, AND VERY HELPFUL. I LOOK FORWARD TO MY TIME HERE WITH THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE. THAT'S REALLY IT. THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME. >> THANK YOU. WELCOME. >> THANK YOU. >> WHERE ARE YOU FROM? >> I'M ACTUALLY FROM BARNWELL COUNTY, WILLISTON, SOUTH CAROLINA, BUT I LIVE IN ISLINGTON WITH MY HUSBAND. I HAVE A 3-YEAR-OLD SON. >> WELCOME. GLAD YOU'RE HERE. >> THANK YOU. >> WELCOME. THANK YOU. YOU-ALL HAVE A GOOD NIGHT >> THE MAN NEEDS ALL THE HELP HE CAN GET, SO KEEP HIM STRAIGHT. [LAUGHTER] >> NEXT, WE HAVE THE REAPPOINTMENT OF MEMBER TO RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE, MISS SHERRY CARROLL. [D. RE-APPOINTMENT OF MEMBER TO RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION] WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MISS COMBS UP HERE. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE ARE COMING IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY TO ASK FOR REAPPOINTMENT OF MISS CARROLL. SHE IS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY. SHE WEARS MANY HATS, AND SHE IS AT HOME WITH A VERY SICK GRANDCHILD, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET US KNOW, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO REAPPOINT HER TO OUR ADVISORY COMMISSION. SHE IS THE LONGEST SERVING COMMISSION MEMBER THAT WE HAVE AS WELL, SO SHE'S VERY DEAR AND NEAR TO OUR HEARTS AND DOES A LOT OF GOOD WORK HERE FOR THE CITY. >> THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS COMBS? >> I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD APPOINT HER, [LAUGHTER] SHE'S NOT HERE. I NEED TO MEET HER, SEE WHAT SHE LOOKS LIKE. >> SHE'S A GHOST. >> MEMBERS OF COUNCIL IS A REAL HANDFUL. [LAUGHTER] >> THOUGHT YOU COULD SAY HANDS [INAUDIBLE] >> NOBODY'S GOING THAT FAR. >> DON'T FLATTER YOURSELF. [LAUGHTER] >> THANK YOU, JENN. >> THANK YOU, JENN. >> NEXT, WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION AND APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. DO I HAVE A MOTION? >> DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT? >> NO. DO WE FOR MISS SHERRY? NO. DO WE? >> YES. >> YES. [NOISE] >> CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE TO APPOINT MISS CARROLL AS A VOLUNTEER, AND A MEMBER TO THE RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE. >> MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE APPOINTMENT OF SHERRY CARROLL TO THE RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> THE AYES HAVE IT. MOTION CARRIES. PRESENTATION AND APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. [VII. PRESENTATION & APPROVAL OF MINUTES] DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL, DISAPPROVAL, OR ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES FOR JANUARY 16TH, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND JANUARY 21, 2025, THE SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR WINTER STORM ENZO? >> [OVERLAPPING] MADAM CHAIR. I'M SORRY, STEVE. >> SEPARATE THE TWO. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE IT AS A CONSENT AGENDA AND TAKE THEM TOGETHER. >> WHAT HE SAID? [LAUGHTER] >> IS THAT OKAY? >> DO I HAVE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE? >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BAILING ME OUT GUYS. >> YOU'RE DOING GREAT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? THERE BEING NO DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR. >> AYE. >> ANYONE OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. NEXT, WE MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARING. PUBLIC HEARING OF AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE SECOND AMENDMENT 2 AND PARTIAL RESTATEMENT OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE AND SLF3 HARDEEVILLE LLC, [A. PUBLIC HEARING OF AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO AND PARTIAL RESTATEMENT OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE AND SLF III-HARDEEVILLE, LLC ("SLF"), OWNER OF THE LAND WITHIN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE "RIVERPORT TRACT" (2025-01-16C)] OWNER OF THE LAND WITHIN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE RIVERPORT TRACT. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025-01-16C. OVER TO MR. GRUBER. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. YES, SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO SOLICIT COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS MATTER BEFORE IT WILL PROCEED FORWARD LEGISLATIVELY WITH THIS COUNCIL FOR SECOND AND FINAL READING. >> THANK YOU, SIR. GO AHEAD. YOU FINISHED? >> I'M FINISHED. SORRY. DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? >> NOT FOR ME. >> NO. >> WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE? >> YOU'RE NOT. >> YOU'RE NOT. >> WE'RE JUST A HEARING. [00:10:01] >> WE'RE JUST SOLICITING COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC IF THERE ARE. >> DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC?NONE? MOVING ON. >> CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. [LAUGHTER] WE'RE MOVING ON TO OLD BUSINESS. THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE CONFIRMING A LOAN FROM THE SOUTH BANK STATE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE BANK [A. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE CONFIRMING A LOAN FROM THE SOUTH CAROLINA STATE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE BANK (“SCTIB”) TO THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA (THE “CITY”) AND THE COUNTY OF JASPER, SOUTH CAROLINA (THE “COUNTY”) IN THE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF NOT TO EXCEED $28,095,903 FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING A PORTION OF THE COST OF CERTAIN REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS TO BE UNDERTAKEN PURSUANT TO THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE EXIT 3 REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT AREA; INCLUDING REVISIONS TO THE PROPOSED (1) INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT AMONG SCTIB, THE CITY, AND THE COUNTY, AND (2) LOAN AGREEMENT AMONG THE SCTIB, THE CITY, AND THE COUNTY; AMENDING THE FIRST SUPPLEMENTAL ORDINANCE TO EXTEND THE TERM OF THE INITIAL OBLIGATION TO BE ISSUED THEREUNDER; AND OTHER MATTERS RELATING THERETO. (2025-01-16B)] TO THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, AND THE COUNTY OF JASPER, SOUTH CAROLINA, IN THE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF NOT TO EXCEED 28,095,903, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING A PORTION OF THE COST OF CERTAIN REDEVELOPMENT [NOISE] PROJECTS TO BE UNDERTAKEN PURSUANT TO THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR EXIT 3 REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT AREA, INCLUDING REVISIONS TO THE PROPOSED ONE, INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT AMONGST SCTIB, THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, AND TWO, LOAN AGREEMENT AMONG THE SCTIB, THE CITY, AND THE COUNTY, AMENDING THE FIRST SUPPLEMENTAL ORDINANCE TO EXTEND THE TERM OF THE INITIAL OBLIGATION TO BE ISSUED THERE UNDER AND OTHER MATTERS RELATING THERETO. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025-01-16B. OVER TO YOU, MR. GRUBER. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THIS MATTER IS PENDING BEFORE SECOND READING, AND ESSENTIALLY, WHAT IT WOULD PROVIDE FOR IS REVISED TERMS TO THE FINANCING AND FUNDING OF THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH EXIT 3. AS THIS BODY IS ALREADY FAMILIAR, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT, LATE IN 2024, THE SOUTH CAROLINA TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE BANK AWARDED THE TEAM. SO THE COUNTY, THE CITY, AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, $35 MILLION AND ADDITIONAL GRANT FUNDING TO GO TO COVER COST OVERRUNS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROJECT AS WELL AS ALLOWING MORE FAVORABLE LOAN TERMS. BOTH OF THOSE ARE BEING INCORPORATED INTO THIS UPDATED AGREEMENT, AND IT'S JUST TO CAPTURE THEN THE NEW TERMS THAT ARE BEING OFFERED TO US FROM THE STATE THAT'LL BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT. >> DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION BY THE COUNCIL? >> THIS IS SECOND READING, AND I THINK WE COVERED ALL QUESTIONS THE FIRST AT FIRST READING. >> NO DOUBT. >> WE DID HAVE A WORKSHOP WITH THIS. MR. GRUBER AND I HAVE GOOD REASON TO BELIEVE THAT WE MIGHT HAVE THE PERMIT AND ALL APPROVED BY TOMORROW. >> THAT'S IT. KNOCK ON WOOD. [NOISE] THEN JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY CAN FOLLOW ON FOR TRACKING PURPOSES. AT YOUR FEBRUARY 20TH MEETING, WE WILL HOPEFULLY BE BRINGING FORWARD SECOND READING OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. AGAIN, TO UPDATE THOSE TERMS, THERE'S A LOT OF MATH THAT'S GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND RIGHT NOW, AND SO THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT, WHICH IS WHY IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, BUT OUR HOPE IS TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU THE MEETING ON THE 20TH AND APPROVE THAT AS WELL. >> THANK YOU, SIR. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, DISAPPROVAL, OR ANY CHANGES TO ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025-01-16B? >> MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE 2025-01-16B. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSE? THE AYES HAVE IT, AND IT PASSES. MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT [A.FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT A MASTER PLANSUBMITTAL FOR A TRACT OF LAND CONSISTING OFAPPROXIMATELY +/- 36.7 ACRES, KNOWN GENERALLY AS RIVERROCK EASY LIVING AT EAST ARGENT LOCATED ON EAST ARGENTPARKWAY IN THE EAST ARGENT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTAND TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OFHARDEEVILLE TO INDICATE THAT PORTION SUBJECT TO THEMASTER PLAN (2025-02-06A)] A MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL FOR A TRACT OF LAND CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY PLUS OR MINUS 36.7 ACRES KNOWN GENERALLY AS RIVER ROCK EASY LIVING, LOCATED ON EAST ARGENT PARKWAY IN THE EAST ARGENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE TO INDICATE THAT PORTION SUBJECT TO THE MASTER PLAN ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025-02-06A. MR. GRUBER, TAKE IT AWAY. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. >> THANK YOU, SIR. THIS IS A MATTER THAT'S ARISING OUT OF RECENT PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION, AND I'VE ASKED PLANNING DIRECTOR BRANA SNOWDEN TO INTRODUCE AND TEE UP THIS MATTER BEFORE WE HANDED OVER TO THE APPLICANTS TO DISCUSS THEIR CONCEPTS AND PLAN FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. WE DO HAVE RIVER ROCK EASY LIVING AT EAST ARGENT. IT WAS ORIGINALLY THE MANSIONS INDEPENDENT LIVING MASTER PLAN THAT CAME THROUGH. IT IS LOCATED OFF OF EAST ARGENT PARKWAY AT THE END, RIGHT NEAR WHERE THE PARKERS IS GOING AND IN THE INTERSECTION WITH 170. [00:15:01] IT WAS ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO, IT WAS APPROVED AS MANSIONS INDEPENDENT LIVING. THEY HAVE SINCE COME BACK WITH SOME CHANGES, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO. HERE IS THE SITE. IT IS RIGHT BEHIND, LIKE I'VE MENTIONED, THE PUBLIC'S PARKING LOT. THE PUBLIC'S AREA OFF OF EAST ARGENT PARKWAY AND CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THE APPROVED IMP FROM 2019 ON THE LEFT, AND THE PROPOSED ON THE RIGHT. HOLD ONE SECOND. THAT WAS THE PROPOSED IMP THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING AT PLANNING COMMISSION. THOSE ARE THE DIFFERENCES IN THE TWO YOU CAN SEE THERE. >> SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, RECENTLY AS THIS WEEK, WE'VE RECEIVED A NEW PROPOSED IMP BASED ON COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THAT WAS NO DOING VERY WELL WITH THIS TODAY. THAT IS ON THE RIGHT OVER HERE FOR COUNCIL FIRST READING AS THIS ONE IS LABELED FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES AS A BUFFER AREA AND SOME REARRANGEMENT AND A FEW LESS UNITS. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THIS IS THE NEW AS SUBMITTED. THERE ARE STORMWATER LAGOONS, AND AS I MENTIONED, THE BUFFER ARE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT THEY HAVE REQUESTED. MASTER PLAN, 36.7 ACRES. IT IS RESIDENTIAL. THERE WILL BE A INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY AS WELL AS SOME RANCH STYLE ATTACHED UNITS. THIS NUMBER HAS BEEN WITH THIS LATEST DRAFT THAT WAS SENT REDUCED TO 321 UNITS FROM 325, AND THE NUMBER OF VILLAS, THE NUMBER OF ATTACHED BUILDINGS REDUCED FROM 41 TO 35. CONNECTIVITY TO EAST PARKWAY, HIGHWAY 170, AND THE FUTURE PUBLIC SITE. THERE ARE BUFFERS EAST SERGENT PARKWAY. NOW THERE IS GOING TO BE THAT BUFFER THAT THEY'RE SAYING BEHIND THE PUBLIC PROPERTY AND SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT BOTH SIDEWALKS AND COMMUNITY PATHS CONNECT TO REGIONAL PATHWAY ALONG EAST SERGENT PARKWAY. WE HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF THE NEW INFORMATION, BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE ORIGINAL MANSIONS IMP. AS WE MENTIONED, IT DOES GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION. IT WENT ON JANUARY 8TH WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF SOME CHANGES NEEDED TO BE ADDED, INCLUDING THE BUFFER BEHIND THOSE UNITS THAT ARE NEXT TO THE COMMERCIAL AREA. I WOULD GO TO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION, AND THEN ULTIMATELY WE HAVE TO GO TO THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THROUGH SRC. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN. I'LL LEAVE IT ON THIS VERSION OF IT, AND THEN WE CAN HAND IT OVER TO THE APPLICANTS AS WELL FOR THEIR INPUT. >> BRENDA, WHAT COMMENTS DID THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE ABOUT? >> MOST CERTAINLY CONCERNED, IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION OF DISAPPROVAL. THEY CERTAINLY HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT BUFFER. NO, I'M SORRY. RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, I POP. NOT ON MY GAME TODAY. I APOLOGIZE. FEEL LIKE KATIE FALL THE OTHER NIGHT. IT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, BUT THEY DID WANT THE CONSIDERATION OF THAT BUFFER AND SEPARATION FROM THAT COMMERCIAL USES FOR THOSE, AND THEY FELT LIKE THAT THERE WAS A LOT ON THIS, A LOT OF UNITS ON THIS BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE FROM THE ORIGINAL, THEY HAD THE RIGHT FOR UNITS, BUT THEY DID NOT HAVE AS MANY PLANNED OUT. THEY HAD A LOT MORE OPEN SPACE. THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE WERE GOING THROUGH FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I DO APOLOGIZE FOR MY MISSTATEMENT. I APOLOGIZE. >> IT'S OKAY. >> A HEART ATTACK. >> YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN THEIR FACES. >> ONCE AGAIN, PC SUBMITTAL COUNCIL SUBMITTAL. HAPPY TO HELP YOU ANY WAY I CAN. BUT THE OVERRIDING THOUGHT PROCESS, [00:20:03] AS STAFF HAS MENTIONED, WAS LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LOOKING THAT AREA, AND MAKING SURE THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS APPROVED. WE WANT TO MEET THAT SAME INTENT FOR THE MASTER PLAN HERE. >>DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS? >> HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FIRST. >> LET'S DO THAT. I WAS GOING TO CALL THEM NEXT, SO >> HELLO, I'M RUSTY WINDSOR WITH KIMLEY HORN ON BEHALF OF RIVER ROCK. THIS IS JUSTIN NEWMAN WITH RIVER ROCK. I THINK, BRENDA DID A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING WHAT THE COMMENTS WERE FROM PLANNING COMMISSION. I'LL JUST GO THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT IS THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED WITH, IF YOU'RE AWARE, THIS IS WHERE THE PUBLIC IS GOING, AND THE SERVICE DRIVE AND EVERYTHING FOR THE PUBLIC IS ON THE BACK SIDE ON THIS PROPERTY HERE. THE PARKING LOT AND ENTRANCES, EVERYTHING IS OUT IN THIS AREA. THEY WERE CONCERNED WITH TRYING TO CREATE A BUFFER FOR THIS AREA. WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE COME IN AND PROPOSED A 20 FOOT BUFFER, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE A THREE FOOT TALL BERM AND THEN A SEVEN FOOT FENCE. THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THERE'S A, 12 PLUS OR -12 FEET FROM THAT BOTTOM OF THAT BUFFER TO THE BACK OF THE FIRST UNIT THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED. THAT IS ALL OF THE SPACE HERE THAT WE'RE SHOWING THAT BUFFER. THEN WE ORIGINALLY HAD 145 TOTAL, AND NOW WE'RE AT 141, AND SO WE REDUCED A LITTLE BIT. WE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A LAGOON FEATURE HERE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF AMENITY TO SOME OF THESE RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA, AND JUST WE MOVED TO MASSAGE THE PLAN A LITTLE BIT. WE WOUND UP IN THE PREVIOUS ONE WE SUBMITTED TO PLANNING COMMISSION, OUR GREEN SPACES AMENITIES AND AMENITY AREAS WERE 1.7, AND NOW WE'RE AT 1.9. WE'VE INCREASED THOSE ACTIVE OPEN SPACES BY 2/10 OF A ACRE. THEN I THINK THE ONLY ELSE I WANTED TO PUT OUT IS THAT THE IMP FOR PUBLICS HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. IT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2009. I UNDERSTAND IT WAS VERY OLD. IF PUBLIC COMES BACK TODAY, THEY WOULD PROBABLY COME BACK TO YOU AGAIN AND REVISE THAT INITIAL MASTER PLAN. BUT IN THAT INITIAL MASTER PLAN, THEY HAD A 25 FOOT BUFFER SHOWN ALONG THIS SECTION HERE WITH A FENCE AS WELL. IT WOULD BASICALLY BE A 20 FOOT BUFFER FOR US, 25 FOOT FOR THEM, SO YOU'LL WIND UP WITH A 45 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. WITH THAT, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO MENTION? >> JUSTIN NEWMAN WITH RIVER ROCK. THANKS FOR HAVING US EXCITED TO BE HERE. JUST TO COMMENT A LITTLE BIT ON THE DIFFERENCE, PARTICULARLY IN THE DENSITY SHOWN VERSUS PREVIOUS EXCUSE ME. I'M SORRY. IMP PLAN FOR MANSIONS. I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, THERE WAS ABOUT 15 UPLAND ACRES THAT WERE NOT SHOWN AS DEVELOPED ON THEIR APPROVED IMP PLAN, BUT THAT THEY HAD PLANS TO COME BACK THROUGH AND GET APPROVED TO DEVELOP, POSSIBLY AROUND TEN UNITS AN ACRE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT PLANS THEY HAD TO POSSIBLY FULLY DEVELOP THE PROPERTY, THEY WERE CLOSER TO PROBABLY JUST, AGAIN, THIS IS FROM SPEAKING WITH SOME OF THOSE FOLKS AND JUST TALKING ABOUT THEIR PLANS. IT WAS A JUST UNDER 300 TOTAL UNITS, WHEREAS WE'RE ABOUT 321 TOTAL UNITS. WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE 15 UPLAND ACRES THAT THEY STILL HAD AND WOULD HAVE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE, IT EVENS OUT THE DENSITY A LOT MORE. OUTSIDE OF THAT, ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL. >> I AM GOING TO OPEN IT TO COUNSEL. WE'LL START WITH MR. CARROLL. >> I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I DON'T THINK. >> MR. WHITE. >> I'M NOT. >> MR. MEERSM. >> JUST A COUPLE. I SEE YOUR ACCESS ONTO 170 AS A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT. I KNOW THAT'S PERMITTED. IT'S A BUSY HIGHWAY. I HOPE THAT WORKS. IS THERE ANY IN THERE FOR A DECELERATION LANE? >> YES. THERE WILL BE A RIGHT HAND DECELERATION LANE. 170 ALLOWED THAT SAFE TURNING MOVEMENT. >> DID YOU EVEN ATTEMPT TO APPLY FOR AN ACCELERATION LANE? >> THE DEVELOPED MASTER DEVELOPER IS DOING THAT PORTION, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE BOARD OR WON'T DO THAT. >> THAT'S A THIS SURGENT PARKWAY WHERE THEY'RE HAVING THERE. I WAS TALKING ABOUT YOUR RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT? >> HERE? >> YES. >> YES, SIR. THE MASTER DEVELOPER IS THE ONE ACTUALLY DEVELOPING THAT RIGHT TURN LANE, AND THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH A PERMIT WITH SEDOT. [00:25:03] >> FOR AN ACCELERATION LANE COMING OUT OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT? >> A DECELERATION LANE. >> NO ACCELERATION LINE. >> NO ACCELERATION LANE. >> BIG CHANGE IN THE DENSITY OF THE UNITS THERE? POCKET PARKS. I KNOW THIS IS A ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR OUTSIDE FOR THE RESIDENTS. DO YOU HAVE SPACES DESIGNATED FOR THAT? >> YEAH, WE DO. JUST WALK YOU THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT COMES ALONG WITH THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. ONE, WE HAVE THE SEPARATED CLUBHOUSE WITH POOL AREA. OBVIOUSLY THE INTERIOR CLUBHOUSE, NOT OUTDOOR, BUT GARAGE DOOR DESIGN, VERY OPEN MEETING SPACES, FIREPLACE, OUTDOOR SITTING AREAS, OBVIOUSLY THE POOL WITH GRILLING STATIONS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'VE EARMARKED SEVERAL AMENITY AREAS. THOSE CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM PARK HANGOUT SPACES. IT'S VERY COMMON AND POPULAR TO DO BACHE BALL COURTS. WE'LL HAVE A DOG PARK AND A DOG RUN. WE'LL ALSO HAVE SIDEWALKS AND POSSIBLY EVEN A TRAIL CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. VERY MUCH HAVE SET ASIDE SPACE AND IS VERY MUCH IN OUR PROGRAM WITH THE RIVER ROCK EASY LIVING OFFERING TO HAVE AMPLE OUTDOOR COMMUNITY SPACES AGAIN. >> IS A WHOLE DEVELOPMENT INDEPENDENT LIVING? >> YEAH, 55 PLUS ACTIVE ADULT, NOT ASSISTED LIVING, SUCH THAT IT'S AN ASSISTED LIVING BUILT AND LICENSED BY THE STATE. INDEPENDENT LIVING ACTIVE AD, YES, SIR. >> PARKING FOR THE RESIDENTS, TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT? >> CORRECT. >> THEY HAVE A GARAGE AS WELL ON EACH ONE OF THE UNITS. >> THAT'S ALL. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. HOW MANY STORIES ARE THESE? >> THE VILLAS, WHICH IS MAJORITY OF THESE BUILDINGS, NOT THE MULTI STORY BUILDING, THEY'RE ONE STORY. >> THE MULTI STORY? > MULTI STORY IS MOST LIKELY FOUR STORIES. >> HERE'S MY QUESTION WITH THAT. I'M GOING TO VERY SAFELY ASSUME THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ELEVATOR IN ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS. >> YES, MA'AM. MOST LIKELY TO. >> IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE, WE KNOW AUTOMATICALLY THOSE ELEVATORS ARE GOING TO GET SHUT DOWN. HOW DO WE RESCUE THOSE PEOPLE? >> THERE'D BE EMERGENCY ACCESS STAIRWELLS THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY. AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A ACTIVE ADULT 55 PLUS COMMUNITY, IT'S NOT THE NON AMBULATORY POPULATION, SUCH AS ASSISTED LIVING OR A NURSING HOME OR Y CARE MIGHT HAVE. IN THE EVENT, THE ELEVATORS WERE SHUT DOWN. FOLKS WOULD HAVE TO GET DOWN USING THE STAIRS, BUT THOSE ARE PROVIDED PER CODE AT EITHER DIFFERENT ENDS OR THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING. THERE WILL ALSO BE STAFF IN THE FACILITY, SO HOPEFULLY THEY COULD WORK TOGETHER AS NEEDED IF FOLKS NEEDED A LITTLE EXTRA HELP. AGAIN, IT'S NOT A NON AMBULATORY POPULATION IN THE SAME WAY ASSISTED. >> BECAUSE FOUR STORIES BOTHER ME WHEN, EVEN ME WITH GOING UP. I MEAN, THE REASON I BUILT WE BUILT OUR HOUSE ONE LEVEL IS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO CLIMB STAIRS. AFTER A COUPLE OF YEARS, YOUR KNEES START TO GO SOUTH AND IT'S FOUR STORIES TO CLIMB DOWN DURING A FIRE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND WITH PEOPLE ALL EXCITED AND WORRIED AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR PEOPLE FALLING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THAT BOTHERS ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT HAVING FOUR STORIES. >> CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDABLE, THAT'S AND I COME FROM A BACKGROUND OF DOING A LOT OF SENIOR SENIOR HOUSING, WHETHER THAT'S ASSISTED LIVING AND INDEPENDENT LIVING IN ONE BUILDING. IT'S A QUESTION WE OFTEN GET. THERE IS THAT PLAN IN PLACE IF SOMETHING GOES DOWN TO HELP FACILITATE FOLKS. JUST TO COMMENT ON THE NATURE OF GOING TO FOUR STORIES, BECAUSE ABOUT 25-30% OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE COMMON AREA, ACTIVE SPACES FOR RESIDENTS TO CONVENE AND HAVE ACTIVITIES, OFFICE SPACES OR BACK OF HOUSE SPACES FOR STAFF. THAT DOES PUSH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AS OPPOSED TO A TYPICAL APARTMENT, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE THAT 25-30% COMMON AREA. THAT DOES JUST DRIVE THE SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS A LITTLE BIT AND LEADS TO THAT. >> CAN YOU SHOW ME ON THERE WHERE YOUR FOUR STORIES WOULD BE GOING? OH, SO IT'S GOING TO BE IN ITS OWN LITTLE POCKETS OVER THERE. PERFECT. >> THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY IS ONE STORY. >> ONE STORY. GREAT. I SEE A LOT OF LAGOONS OVER THERE, STORMWATER LAGOONS. WE KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH GATORS AND FLUFFY GETTING EATEN BY GATORS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. DO Y'ALL HAVE A PLAN TO PUT SOME FENCING OR SOME PROTECTIVE BUSHES OR LANDSCAPING AROUND THAT AREA? >> IT'S TYPICAL TO DO LANDSCAPING AND POSSIBLY SOME TYPE OF FENCING. WHERE WE START OUT IS, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THERE? AS FAR AS GETTING THAT APPROVED, ARE THERE ANY WHAT'S SAFE AND WITH THE DESIGN, BUT IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE THOSE. [00:30:02] CERTAINLY AROUND A WET POND WOULD BE MORE TYPICAL THAN NOT TO HAVE ONE. BUT AT THIS POINT, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SAY ABSOLUTELY, THAT IS THE PLAN, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY WITH THAT. >> AT LEAST SOME SIGNAGE WATCHING ABSOLUTE WARNING PEOPLE, BECAUSE I WORRY ABOUT. BECAUSE YOU HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY TELL THEM THAT THERE ARE GATORS IN THERE AND DON'T WALK THEIR DOGS AT THE END OF THE POND AND THEY DO IT ANYWAY. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DEATHS BECAUSE OF THAT. THAT ALSO WORRIES ME FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT. >> SIGNAGE WOULD BE VERY APPROPRIATE. ABSOLUTELY, NO PROBLEM COMMITTING TO DOING THAT AS FAR AS FENCING OR SOME PLANTING OR BERMS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LOVE TO LOOK INTO. WE WANT OUR PEOPLE TO BE SAFE AS WELL, SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO WORK OUT AS WE GET INTO THE DESIGN. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THIS FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS REQUIRED. IS THERE ANY FENCING REQUIRED, AND IF NOT, ALSO, WHAT MAKES SENSE TO DO THERE AS WE GET INTO. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> MR. MAYO, ON TO YOU. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. I WAS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING, AND SOME THINGS CAME UP. >> I RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL [LAUGHTER] >> BUT AFTERWARDS, THEY TOLD ME THEY DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO DO IT. I'M JUST KIDDING. [LAUGHTER] >> YOU'VE GOT THEM ALL SHAKY NOW. HE'S GOTTEN RED. [LAUGHTER] >> I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS. BUT IF I WAS YOUR MARKETING MANAGER, I'D HAVE THE SAME QUESTIONS. SOME OF THEM ARE RELATED TO PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO GO INTO THESE UNITS. FIRST OF ALL, AND I SAID THIS AFTER THE MEETING TO A COUPLE OF PEOPLE, THIS IS VERY DENSE COMPARED TO WHAT IT WAS. I NOTICED IN THE NEW PLAN, YOU WENT FROM THE ONES THAT GO ALONG PUBLIX. YOU WENT FROM 11 BUILDINGS TO 10, BUT THERE'S FOUR UNIT BUILDINGS. >> FIVE. >> FIVE, EVEN WORSE. THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE BUTT UP AGAINST THE PUBLIC'S PARKING LOT, AND THAT BRINGS A COUPLE OF CHALLENGES. NUMBER 1, LIGHTING, NUMBER 2, DELIVERIES. THERE'S TRUCKS BACK UP, AND THEY'RE BEEPING AT FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, AND THEY WON'T CALL YOU, THEY'LL CALL ME. WHAT IS THE TYPE OF BUFFER BETWEEN THOSE BUILDINGS AND THE PUBLIC'S WHATEVER THEY PUT IN THEIR ROAD, WHATEVER? >> WE WERE PROPOSING A 20-FOOT WIDE BUFFER WITH A THREE-FOOT FIRM, AND THEN A SEVEN-FOOT PRIVACY FENCE ON OUR SIDE. IF YOU LOOKED AT PUBLIX AND THE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2009 AT 25 FEET AND A MIXTURE OF A FENCE. IT COULD BE A WOODEN FENCE, PRIVACY FENCE, IT COULD BE WITH OPENINGS IN IT, IT COULD BE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT BASICALLY, THEY WOULD HAVE SOME FORM OF A FENCE THERE AND LANDSCAPING. >> COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE FOUND FROM RECENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE COME UP. NUMBER 1, WE REQUIRE A 10-FOOT FENCE. WE'VE REQUIRED IT IN OTHER PLACES. WE ALSO HAVE FOUND THAT 25-FOOT BUFFER, ONCE YOU CLEAR-CUT UP TO THE 25 FOOT, IT COULD BE NOTHING BUT TWEAKS. A THREE-FOOT HIGH BERM, YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE THE TRUCK DRIVER LOOKING RIGHT INTO THOSE HOMES. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING SOME PRIVACY WITH THAT NUMBER OF UNITS. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THOSE 10 BUILDINGS THERE, IN TERMS OF, I THINK WE NEED MORE PROTECTION BETWEEN THOSE BUILDINGS AND THE PUBLIC'S, WHATEVER IS GOING ON. TWENTY FIVE FEET, EVEN 50 FEET. ONCE YOU CLEAR CUT, AND WE GOT MISS ROSS BACK THERE, AND SHE'LL COME UP AND TESTIFY, IT'S NOTHING. I'M LOOKING OUT FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE REALLY UPSET ONCE THEY START BUILDING THAT PUBLIX THING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, [00:35:01] BUT YOU'RE THE EXPERT SO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO REVISIT. I KNOW YOU CAN'T DEAL WITH THE BUFFER ON THE PUBLIC SIDE. BUT YOU CAN REVISIT THE 10-FOOT FENCE AND THE SIZE OF THE BERM. >> THE QUESTION IS, COULD WE BE ABLE TO SAVE THE 20 FEET OF VEGETATION INSTEAD OF DOING THE BERM? CAN WE JUST DO A 10-FOOT FENCE AT THE 20-FOOT BUFFER LINE, AND THEN SUPPLEMENTAL PLANNING ON THE PUBLIC SIDE TO INCREASE THE DENSITY OF THE VEGETATION? >> I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF JUST A FENCE. I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING A BERM THERE. AGAIN, REMEMBER WHAT I SAID TO START. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP THE MARKETING OF YOUR PRODUCT HERE. IF YOU GIVE THEM SOME BAD PRODUCT, IT'S GOING TO BE HARDER TO SELL. I THINK YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THAT. THE 10-FOOT FENCE OUR COUNCIL, WE'RE COMMITTED TO HAVING CONSISTENCY. WHATEVER I ASKED OF YOU, WE ASKED THE NEXT PERSON AND THE NEXT PERSON. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE REQUIRED ALREADY IN THE CITY. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> NOW, BRIANNA, THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR YOU. HOW MANY STOREYS IS REQUIRED BEFORE AN ELEVATOR IS REQUIRED? >> THAT IS MORE OF A BUILDING CODE QUESTION, I REALLY CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. BUT I KNOW THAT TYPICALLY, WE DO HAVE THREE-STOREY APARTMENTS THAT DO NOT HAVE ELEVATORS. >> BUT IS THREE STOREYS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO HAVE AN ELEVATOR OR IS FOUR STOREYS? >> NO. >> THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED. >> FOUR STOREYS IS WHERE ONCE YOU BUILD TWO STOREYS OR THREE STOREYS, NO ELEVATOR. ONCE YOU GO TO FOUR OR ABOVE, YOU'RE REQUIRED HAVE ONE. >> YOU'RE REQUIRED. BUT YOU COULD PUT IT IN VOLUNTARILY ON A THREE-STOREY. >> YOU COULD DO ANYTHING VOLUNTARILY [LAUGHTER] >> AGAIN, GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID TO START. IT'S THE MARKETING. I'M ON PUBLIC RECORD, I HATE FOUR-STOREY BUILDINGS IN OUR CITY. I STILL WOULD LIKE US TO REVISIT THE CODE. WE CAN'T STOP IT, I DON'T LIKE IT. FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT MRS. GUZMAN SAID, I THINK I HATE THE FOUR STOREYS. IF THE COUNCIL IS IN AGREEMENT, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF FOUR STOREYS IN ADVANCE. WE CAN'T DO IT AFTER THE FACT. BUFFERS. GO TO THE 170 SIDE. TELL ME WHAT'S GOING TO BE BETWEEN THAT BUILDING AND 170. >> THERE'S A 50-FOOT BUFFER ALONG 170. >> I'M GOING TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND EVERYONE ON THIS COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT EVERY SINGLE DAY. PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW MUCH ROAD NOISE THERE IS ON 170, AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET IN THAT BUILDING AND SAY, WHAT THE HECK DID I GET MYSELF INTO? THE ROAD NOISE WILL BE UNBELIEVABLE. 170, THE 2040 PROJECTIONS FOR CARS, I THINK IS SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF 60,000 PER DAY, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE I95 IS TODAY. THAT'S FROM THE TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE LATS. SIXTY THOUSAND A DAY. THAT'S A LOT OF ROAD NOISE. HERE'S MY QUESTION, AND THIS WILL, I THINK, HELP THE MARKETING. WHAT CAN YOU DO IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS TO MAKE PARTICULARLY THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, NOISE PROOF OR NOISE REDUCTION, WHATEVER THE RIGHT WORD IS? >> THERE'S DEFINITELY OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR THAT. THEY MAKE WINDOWS THAT ALLOW LOWER DECIBELS THROUGH. CERTAINLY, I'M SURE SOME OF YOUR BUILDING CLADDING AND MATERIALS, IN MY PAST, DEVELOPED APARTMENTS WHERE THEY MIGHT BE CLOSER TO THOSE BUSIER CORRIDORS, AND YOU HAD TO CONSIDER THOSE THINGS, OR WE ALSO ARE MOST LIKELY PURSUING HUD FINANCING, AND THEY HAVE DECIBEL LEVELS THAT YOU HAVE TO EITHER MEET, BE UNDER THOSE, OR YOU HAVE TO DO THOSE SOUND RETENTION OR DISSOLUTION PROCEDURES. THERE CERTAINLY ARE THINGS AVAILABLE. I THINK THAT'S ONE WHERE WE GOT INTO THE DESIGN OF IT. [00:40:03] BASED ON WHAT THE DECIBEL LEVELS ARE FROM THE ROAD AND THE TRAFFIC, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT DOING. AT THIS POINT, WE HADN'T PARTICULARLY PLANNED ON DOING THAT, BUT AGAIN THAT'S SOMETHING WHEREAS WE GET MORE INTO THE DESIGN OF THE MULTI-FAMILY PHASE OF THE PROJECT, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT DOING IT. >> NOW, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO WHAT I'VE ASKED AND WHAT OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HAVE ASKED. IT'S ONE THING TO LOOK INTO, IT'S ONE THING ON WRITING. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, BEFORE SECOND READING, THAT THESE THINGS THAT YOU LOOK INTO ARE IN THE PAPERWORK, SO THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO THEM, NOT LOOK INTO THEM. NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST YOU, BUT PEOPLE HAVE SHORT MEMORIES AND THEY FORGET. YES, BRIANNA. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I KNEW WE WOULD NEED THAT A WEEK BEFORE [OVERLAPPING] CAN HAVE IT. >> I THINK ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN ASKED UP HERE, AND THERE'S BEEN A RESPONSE THAT YOU'LL LOOK INTO, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT ON PAPER FOR SECOND READING. I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION. INSIDE THE BUILDING, WE HAVE A FACILITY CALLED [INAUDIBLE] PINES, AND IT'S REALLY WONDERFUL. IT'S WONDERFUL BECAUSE THERE'S A GREAT RESTAURANT IN THERE, THERE'S A THEATER, THERE'S A WEIGHT ROOM, THERE'S A LOT OF COOL THINGS FOR THESE FOLKS. WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING FOR THE INSIDE OF THIS BUILDING THAT HAS 100 UNITS? >> SEVERAL OF THE AMENITIES THAT YOU MENTIONED, THERE WILL BE A THEATER ROOM, THERE WILL BE A FITNESS CENTER WITH A YOGA ROOM ADDITION ONTO IT, THERE WILL BE A LOUNGE SPACE AND A MEETING AREA FOR RESIDENTS WITH INDOOR AND OUTDOOR, A DOUBLE-SIDED FIREPLACE, WHERE IT'LL OPEN UP INTO A LARGE AMENITY AREA, WHICH WILL HAVE GRILLING STATIONS, A POOL. AGAIN, 25% PLUS OF THIS BUILDING IS COMMON AREA OR AMENITIES SPACE. VERY MUCH WE'LL BE PROVIDING A LOT OF THE AMENITIES THAT ARE IN LINE WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] PROJECT THAT YOU MENTIONED. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FROM COUNCIL? >> YES, I HAVE ONE. ACTUALLY, NOT TO REINVENT THE WHEEL, BUT TO SOLVE SOME OF THIS ISSUE ALONG THIS LINE THERE, WOULD IT BE A CONSIDERATION TO MOVE THE STORMWATER RETENTION TO THIS AREA? MOVE EVERYTHING BACK. IT GIVES YOU A LARGER BUFFER ALL ALONG THERE. I KNOW THIS IS BORDERLINE WETLAND AND THIS IS WETLAND HERE. IT LOOKS TO ME THAT THERE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF REARRANGEMENT THERE. AS FAR AS THIS OVER HERE, THIS LARGE PARKING LOT HERE, COULD THIS BE MOVED TO THAT END, WHICH MOVES THIS BUILDING FURTHER BACK? I'M GUESSING ANOTHER PROBABLY 100 FEET BACK FROM 170 TO INCREASE THAT AREA. THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL HAS A VERY VALID CONCERN ABOUT THE PUBLIX BEING THERE. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO FACE THAT FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AS YOU MOVE THROUGH WITH YOUR DEVELOPMENT THERE. THINGS CHANGE BUT IT WOULD BE A LOT BETTER IF YOU COULD MOVE IT AHEAD OF TIME TO AVOID THE PROBLEMS THAN HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM. >> PART OF THE AREA WHERE WE'RE SHOWING THE STORMWATER LAGOONS, THE 100-YEAR FLOODPLAIN LINE IN ESSENCE GOES AROUND WHERE THE ENDS OF THOSE ARE ON THE SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THAT WOULD PRECLUDE PUSHING THE PROJECT FURTHER THAT WAY. DEFINITELY, AS FAR AS LOOKING AT THE PARKING LAYOUT AND WAYS TO PUSH THAT MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING OFF A 170, I THINK IT'S A GREAT COMMENT. SOME OF YOU CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT. TAKING A LOOK AT IT AND MAYBE COMING BACK WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A BETTER [OVERLAPPING] >> WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THERE AGAIN, TO ALLUDE TO WHAT THE MAYOR SAID, LOOKING INTO AND ACTUALITY CAN BE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. IT WOULD SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT WE KNOW IS GOING TO HAPPEN. IT'S GOING TO BE THERE. THE LIGHT ISSUE AND ALL OF THAT WITH THE PUBLIX, THAT'S STILL GOING TO BE A CONCERN. HOW MUCH ROOM IS THERE BETWEEN THE BACK OF THOSE VILLA-TYPE UNITS AND THE BERM THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? >> ABOUT 12 PLUS OR MINUS FEET. FROM THE BACK OF OUR BUILDINGS TO THE PROPERTY LINE, YOU'RE TALKING 32-35 FEET. >> TWELVE FEET, THAT'S ABOUT FROM ME TO YOU. THAT'S NOT A LOT OF SPACE [LAUGHTER] THAT REALLY ISN'T. FROM WHERE THE BERM STARTS FROM THERE ON, I DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T HAVE THE PUBLIX AREA YET, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR FOOTPRINT IS GOING TO BE [00:45:02] OR WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE ONTO THEIR PROPERTY. WOULD THEY PUSH IT AS FAR BACK AS THEY COULD OR WOULD THEY STAY FORWARD? >> THEIR CURRENT PLAN WOULD ALSO HAVE THEIR STORMWATER FACILITIES BETWEEN THE BUILDING LOADING AREA AND THEIR BUFFER. NOW, WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T HAVE THEM COMMIT TO THAT, BUT THAT IS WHAT THEIR CURRENTLY APPROVED PLAN SHOW. ALSO BASED ON THEIR DRAINAGE EASEMENT WHERE WE KNOW FROM THE MASTER DEVELOPER, THEY HAVE TO DRAIN ACROSS EAST ARGENT PARKWAY. SO THEIR STORMWATER WOULD BE COMING OUT ABOUT WHERE THAT YELLOW ARROW IS. AGAIN, CERTAINLY CAN'T COMMIT THEM ANYTHING, BUT IN ADDITION TO THE FENCE AND REPLANTED BUFFER ON THEIR SIDE, THEY HAVE A PRETTY LARGE STORMWATER FACILITY BEFORE YOU GET TO THE EITHER LOADING AND BUILDING AREAS. >> ONE LAST THING, WOULD THERE BE ANY CONSIDERATION IN RELOCATING THESE THREE UNITS OVER HERE? THAT TAKES THREE OF THOSE UNITS AWAY FROM THAT AREA. I'M NOT TRYING TO REINVENT THE WHEEL ON YOU GENTLEMEN, I'M JUST THROWING SUGGESTIONS OUT THERE TO AVOID CONFLICTS IN THE FUTURE. >> IF I MAY, SEAN COHEN FROM RIVER ROCK, WE WERE HERE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND I ACTUALLY LOVE YOUR IDEA. I'LL STEP AWAY FROM THE MIC BUT I THINK PLANNING OF Y, I THINK YOU COULD ORIENT THESE BUILDINGS IN SUCH A WAY THAT YOU COULD SLIDE THIS DOWN AND THEN THAT ROAD COULD SLIDE EVEN FARTHER TO PROVIDE THAT BUFFER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. MOVING THE PUZZLE PIECES AROUND WOULD HELP NOT JUST US FROM A MARKETING, LEASING STANDPOINT, BUT THEN REDUCE ANY PHONE CALLS OR ELIMINATE ANY PHONE CALLS. >> WOULD MOVING THE CLUB RE ARRANGING WHERE THE CLUBHOUSE AND THOSE THREE UNITS ARE ALSO FIT WITHIN YOUR PLANS? >> AS LONG AS THAT POOL IS NOT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, SO PEOPLE CAN GET SOME SUN, [LAUGHTER] I'M ALL FOR THAT BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THOSE PHONE CALLS. >> YOU HAVE 1-3 UNIT BUILDING JUST ON THE SIDE OF IT THERE. I THINK IT COULD POSSIBLY BE DONE. I MEAN, HAVING YOUR CLUB HOUSE UP AGAINST THE BUFFER IS ONE THING, BUT KEEPING THOSE THREE UNITS AWAY FROM IT SOLVES THE PROBLEM. >> THAT'S WHY WE'VE HIRED KIMLEY HORN, BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT TAKING YOUR SUGGESTIONS AND OUR SUGGESTIONS. >> IT'S A BIG PUZZLE. THANK YOU. >> PLEASE DON'T LET HIM TELL ME IT WAS YOUR IDEA AND DON'T SAY IT WAS HIS CAUSE WE GOT TO LIVE WITH HIM. [LAUGHTER] >> GOOD IDEA. >> YEAH TO RETRACT MY STATEMENT. >> THE BUCK STOPS AT KIMLEY HORN. [LAUGHTER] >> THAT'S IT. >> WHAT I'VE GOT SO FAR IS THAT WE WANT TO TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO INCREASE THAT BUFFER ALONG WITH PUBLICS AS MUCH AS WE CAN, AS FEASIBLE. ADD SOME INFORMATION INTO THE TEXT ABOUT THE REDUCTION IN NOISE IN THE BUILDING. THE FENCE AROUND THE PONDS AND EVERYTHING. AT LEAST SIGNAGE. I THINK WE CAN PUT SIGNAGE IN THERE AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE SIGNAGE SHOWN. THEN THE AMENITIES INSIDE THE BUILDING, AND ALSO THE AMENITIES THAT ARE AT THE GREEN SPACE. GO AHEAD AND HAVE THAT LISTED IN THE PD AS OPTIONAL PLUS OR MINUS OR WHATEVER, JUST HAVE IT'LL BE LIKE A LIST OF THINGS THAT COULD BE PUT IN THERE. THEN MOVE THE FOUR STORY BUILDING AWAY FROM 170, AND THEN LOOK AT TRYING TO FORCE THE CLUBHOUSE MORE CLOSER TO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND PULL SOME OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS AWAY FROM IT. IS THAT EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL STATED? >> PRETTY MUCH. BEFORE I GET FINAL APPROVAL, I'D LIKE TO SEE ALL OF THAT BUTTON DOWN. WE HAVE THAT, BUT YOU'RE BEING VERY COOPERATIVE. LET'S MAKE IT WORK. >> WELL, WE GOT TO GET SOME WORK DONE. OH, I GUESS WE SHOULD HAVE OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC. AT SOME POINT. >> THAT'S NOT YOUR JOB ENGINEERS. [LAUGHTER] >> DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ANY DISCUSSIONS, ANY ISSUES TO BE ADDRESSED BY THE PUBLIC? >> WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT ONLINE? >> YES, MA'AM. >> THIS COMMENT IS FROM KRISTIN MARLA CARTOR. SHE SAID, YOU MAY HAVE SOME 55 AND OVER PEOPLE THAT MAY BE AMBULATORY, BUT NOT AMBULATORY ENOUGH TO GO DOWN FOUR FLIGHTS OF STAIRS IN EMERGENCY LIVING ON TOP FLOORS. FOUR STORIES COULD BE A SAFETY ISSUE AS THIS POPULATION AGES. >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. >> MADAM CHAIR. >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. >> COULD I MAKE A SUGGESTION? >> YES. >> COULD YOU PUT ALL AMBULATORY RESIDENTS ON THE MAIN FLOOR? >> WE WILL ON THE FIRST FLOOR. THERE WILL BE SEVERAL ADA COMPLIANT UNITS. [00:50:01] THAT WILL BE AN OPTION FOR FOLKS WHO NEED THAT SERVICE AND WANT TO BE CLOSE TO THE FIRST FLOOR. >> YES. >> THE BUILDING HAS TO BE SPRINKLED, TOO. YES. THAT IS CORRECT. THEN OBVIOUSLY UP TO FIRE CODE AS WELL. >> ANYTHING ELSE, GENTLEMEN? BRENNA. >> FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, AND I WASN'T TRYING TO INTERJECT ANYTHING, BUT WE DO NEED THIS WELL BEFORE THE PACKETS HAVE TO GO OUT FOR COUNSEL, SO WE MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR AND CLEAN FOR YOU GUYS. THAT'S ALL. >> WE CAN WE DO THIS CONDITIONALLY THEN? >> THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING CAN WE DO? >> WELL, THE CHOICE OF COUNSEL IS TO GO TO FIRST READING AND MAKE SECOND READING CONDITIONAL OR TO TABLE FIRST READING UNTIL THEY GET COME BACK WITH THE NEW PLAN. THAT'S THOSE ARE OUR OPTIONS. >> WE COULD CERTAINLY MAKE SURE THE THINGS WE'VE DISCUSSED TODAY, GETTING THOSE UPDATED ON A PLAN OR AND LANGUAGE IS GETTING TO STAFF AND COUNSEL FAR AHEAD OF THE SECOND READING, SUCH THAT WHEN WE CAME FOR THE SECOND READING, IT WAS THERE AND DIGESTED AND REVIEW. >> HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK THAT YOU WOULD NEED FOR THAT? IF WE PUSH SECOND READING OUT A MONTH, DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME? I DON'T KNOW IF TWO WEEKS WOULD BE ENOUGH. >> IT DEPENDS ON HOW LONG IT TAKES THEM. WE WOULD NEED IT A MINIMUM OF 15 DAYS BEFORE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. THAT WAS REALLY WHAT WE WOULD NEED BECAUSE THAT GIVES US A FEW DAYS. THE PACKET HAS TO GO OUT A WEEK AHEAD OF ADVANCE. >> THIRTY DAYS IS DOABLE, AND IF NOT, WE CAN PUSH IT OUT. >> WE WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP THE SECOND READING. THAT WOULD BE LATER THIS MONTH, WORK AS HARD AS WE CAN TO GET THAT PLAN INTO SAVES HANDS. BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT COMPLETED IN TWO WEEKS, IF WE WOULD GIVE YOU CONDITIONAL TODAY, WE WOULDN'T GIVE YOU SECOND IF IT'S NOT COMPLETED. YOU UNDERSTAND? >> [INAUDIBLE] THOUGHTS ON THAT. >> MY THOUGHTS IS THAT WE WOULD WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT. IF WE DID NOT GET IT PREPARED IN TIME, THEN IT WOULD PUSH TO THE FIRST READING IN MARCH WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO GET THIS DONE. >> YEAH, I'M IN FAVOR OF GIVING YOU THE OPPORTUNITY. >> YES. I THINK MARCH IT GIVES YOU A TIMELINE TO WORK TOWARDS. >> THE NEXT MEETING IS FEBRUARY 20TH. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP US ON THAT AND IF WE WANT TO STAFF, AND WELL ABLE TO. >> FROM A CALENDARING STAND POINT, JUST WALKING THIS BACKWARDS. WE GET ALL THE PACKET MATERIALS TO COUNSEL A WEEK BEFOREHAND, WHICH MEANS THOSE ITEMS ARE GOING OUT ON THE 13TH. IN ORDER FOR STAFF TO HAVE TIME TO REVIEW THE REVISIONS THAT YOU COME IN, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EARLIEST THAT IT COMES BACK IS THE MARCH 6 MEETING. NOW, IT COULD COME BACK FOR SECOND READING AT THAT TIME, DEPENDING UPON WHAT COUNSEL IS DISCUSSING. BUT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TIME TO MAKE THE REVISIONS, TO SUBMIT THEM, TO HAVE STAFF TO REVIEW THEM, GET COMMENTS BACK, AND THEN GET PACKETS OUT A WEEK BEFOREHAND. >> BECAUSE IT 15 DAYS. >> EXACTLY. THE MATH JUST DOESN'T WORK. >> ALREADY AT THE SIXTH. >> THAT'S IT. [LAUGHTER] IF WE'RE GOOD WITH THE SIXTH, THEN COUNSEL IS GOOD WITH MOVING IT FORWARD. CONTINGENT UPON ADDING THOSE THINGS BEFORE SECOND READING? WE CAN MAKE THE SIXTH WORK. >> GOOD SUGGESTION. >> YEAH. >> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, DISAPPROVAL OR ANY CHANGES TO ORDINANCE 2025-02-06A. >> YOU CAN GO. >> YES, I DO. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PASS FIRST READING OF MOTION 2025A-02-06A. PRIOR TO SECOND READING, WHICH WILL BE ON THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH, THE DEVELOPER WILL RETURN WITH PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED TODAY AND WITH APPROVAL THROUGH OUR STAFF. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE WORKABLE? >> JUST A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. THE MOTION SAYS THE SECOND READING WILL BE OUR FIRST MEETING IN MARCH. >> CORRECT. >> CAN WE DO THAT IN THIS MOTION? I THINK THAT'S WHAT MR. MARSMAN IS. >> YOU'VE GIVEN THAT DIRECTION TO YOUR MANAGER TO PLACE IT ON THAT AGENDA. YOUR MOTIONS GOOD. [00:55:01] >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> YES. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. >> AYE. >> ANYONE OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. PASS. >> YOU GOT YOUR HOMEWORK, GENTLEMEN? [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE SOUTH CAROLINA, TO AMEND THE ZONING FOR A PORTION OF PARCEL 041-07-04-001 CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY PLUS OR +-8.993 ACRES, COMBINED FROM CONSERVATION PRESERVATION DISTRICT TO MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, AND AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024-02-06B. MR. GRUBER. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. BOTH ITEMS B AND C ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT ARE RELATED [B.FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE,SOUTH CAROLINA TO AMEND THE ZONING FOR A PORTION OFPARCEL 041-07-04-001 CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY +/- 8.993ACRES COMBINED FROM CONVERSATION PRESERVATION (CP)DISTRICT TO MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL (MFR) DISTRICT ANDAMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE(2025-02-06B)] TO AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN PURSUING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH PRIVATE DEVELOPERS. IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THE UNDERLYING LAND IS ZONED TO ALLOW THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS BEING PURSUED, WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS FIRST READING OF TWO ORDINANCES THAT WOULD REZONE PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT ARE GOING TOWARDS THAT DEVELOPMENT. I WOULD ASK OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR BRANA SNOWDEN TO TEE UP THIS MATTER FOR YOU. >> I'LL GET THE RECOMMENDATION RIGHT. I'M PRETTY SURE THIS TIME. AS MR. GRUBER MENTIONED, THIS IS A AN AFFORDABLE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING FOR A WHILE. IT IS TWO SEPARATE ORDINANCES BECAUSE IT IS TWO SEPARATE OWNERSHIPS AND TWO SEPARATE ZONING DISTRICTS ON THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY'RE COMBINING. IT IS ONE PARCEL IS A PORTION OF A PARCEL THAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, AND THE OTHER IS AT A PORTION OF THE FORMER GATEWAY CROSSING THAT IS OFF OF SUMTER DRIVE. YOU CAN SEE HERE THE ZONING MAP. THIS IS THE GATEWAY CROSSING PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. THE CITY OWNED PARCEL IS GOING TO BE A PORTION OF THIS AND A PORTION OF THIS, AND I WILL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN THE NEXT ONE. THIS SHOWS IT A LOT BETTER. THIS WAS THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR THE GATEWAY CROSSING DEVELOPMENT. IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE THIS PORTION HERE AND A PORTION OF THE CITY PROPERTY, WHICH WAS THE FORMER OXIDATION POND IS WHAT THE CITY PROPERTY. IT'S GOING TO BE. THEY'RE MAKING TRAILS AND AMENITY OUT OF THE FORMER OXIDATION POND ON THAT PROPERTY AS WELL. THIS WILL BE ACCESS FROM THE SUMTER DRIVE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE. I THINK THIS IS WILL GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON WHAT THOSE ZONINGS ARE FOR. >> OXIDATION POND. >> YES. >> I KNOW IT USED TO BE PRETTY HAZARDOUS WITH THE SLANTS DOWN ALL AROUND. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? BECAUSE WHEN I WAS A YOUNG BOY, IT WAS PRETTY SLANTED AND STUFF. WHAT? >> IT IS MAINLY BEEN AND THE ENGINEERS CAN SPEAK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. IT IS CRACKED. IT IS DETERIORATED. >> OH, I KNOW. >> ALMOST INTERRUPTED AND GET LIT. >> I'M SORRY TO DO THAT, BUT NOT JUST FIRST PLAN. >> THAT'S FINE. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL. >> GOOD EVENING. >> WITH WHATEVER IT'S ENGINEERING. THE OXIDATION POND HAS BEEN FULLY DECOMMISSIONED. >> OH, I KNOW. >> JUST A NORMAL LAGOON NOW. REALLY, THE, [OVERLAPPING] >> BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE CONCRETE THINGS AND STUFF. >> CORRECT. BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE HOPEFULLY, WILL BE SO DIVIDED AND TRANSFERRED, STOPS PROBABLY A GOOD 200, 300 FOOT SHORT OF THE OXIDATION POND. THE CITY WILL CONTINUE MAINTAINING OWNERSHIP. >> IT'LL BE BLOCKED OFF FROM. >> CORRECT. >> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU, I'M SORRY, BRAN I JUST RIGHT IN. >> IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND GOOD TO CLARIFY BECAUSE THIS WAS A TRICKY ONE TO EXPLAIN. WE REALIZED DURING PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL. PHOTOS OF THE AREA, THE UNDEVELOPED PORTION TO THE RIGHT. THIS IS THE VIEW SOUTHEAST FROM JOHN STREET, AS WELL AS THIS, LOOKING BACK INTO IT. THEN FINALLY, WE HAVE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. THAT'S LOOKING BACK AT SUMTER DRIVE, WHICH WILL BE THE ACCESS INTO THE PROPERTY. LAND USE ELEMENT DOES RECOMMEND A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TYPES AND OPTIONS OF AFFORDABLE AND ATTAINABLE HOUSING. WE NEED A VARIETY FOR THE BEYOND JUST A SINGLE FAMILY, [01:00:01] BUT FOR ALL DIFFERENT LEVELS OF IF LIFE CYCLE AND NEEDS. CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIPS WAS A BIG RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS IS MOST DEFINITELY A CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP. THE DENSITY ALSO WILL HELP WITH SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL OPTIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOR THE WHYTE-HARDEE-BOULEVARD REVITALIZATION. THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AND WITH THE GATEWAY CROSSING DEVELOPERS. WE DID GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION ON JANUARY THE 8TH. THIS WILL COME TO YOU, AND THEN IT WILL GO TO STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE TO WORK OUT ALL THE DETAILS OF THE ENGINEERING AND THE PLATTING ON THIS PROJECT. IT IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND THE CONSERVATION PRESERVATION, WHICH IS A CITY PROPERTY TO MULTIFAMILY TO GIVE THEM THE DENSITY AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY WOULD NEED FOR THEIR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT. OBVIOUSLY, WILLIE POWELL IS HERE FOR THE ENGINEERING AS WELL AS ONE OF THE APPLICANTS AND DEVELOPERS. IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR ANSWERING QUESTIONS? >> YEAH. >> DWYANE RANDALL WITH DWYANE AND RANDALL COMPANIES. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, QUESTIONS? COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE WILL START WITH MR. MEERSMAN. >> WHAT WE'RE APPROVING TONIGHT IS, AS I TAKE THIS, JUST THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANYTHING FURTHER THAN THAT. IT WILL COME BACK WITH A MASTER PLAN? >> YES. >> NO. >> NO. THIS WILL GO STRAIGHT TO STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING AND BE DEVELOPED UNDER THE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. >> HOW MANY UNITS ARE WE TALKING ON THIS PROPERTY THEN? >> WE HAVEN'T GOT A FINALIZED SITE PLAN YET, BUT PRELIMINARILY, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 64 UNITS, WHICH WOULD BE 52 APARTMENTS AND ABOUT 12 TOWN HOMES. >> MULTI-FAMILY HAS THE DENSITY, AND ALLOWS UP TO 16 UNITS PER ACRE. THAT'S ACROSS ALL OF OUR MULTI-FAMILY ZONING IN THE CITY. >> IS THIS NORMAL THAT WE DON'T SEE EMIT BECAUSE THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM THE GATEWAY CROSSING. IS THIS THE PROCEDURE WE DON'T SEE A MASTER PLAN FOR THIS SMALL? >> WE'RE IN A STRAIGHT BASED ZONING, YOU DO NOT SEE MASTER PLANS. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP IT UNDER THE STANDARDS OF [OVERLAPPING]. >> BECAUSE THE EIGHT ACRES IS A SMALL PROPERTY. >> YEAH. THE ACREAGE AND OTHER THINGS, IT IS OFTEN USED. WE DO, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, IN HARDEEVILLE, WE HAVE A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, WHICH IS UNUSUAL FOR ZONING. >> WHAT WE CAN DO, COUNCILMAN MEERSMAN, IS WHEN THIS DOES COME IN FOR STAFF REVIEW APPROVAL, WE CAN SHARE THAT DOCUMENT WITH COUNCIL, SOLICIT ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE, AND THEN MAKE SURE TO BRING THOSE UP AS PART OF THE STAFF REVIEW PROCESS. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> YOU'VE SAT HERE WHILE WE PICKED APART THE LAST ONE. BUT EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IS IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY AND THE POTENTIAL RESIDENTS. PLEASE TAKE IT THAT WAY. I'M JUST CURIOUS TO SEE HOW IT WOULD BE CITED ON THIS PIECE OF GROUND, BECAUSE IT IS BEING TIED INTO THE GATEWAY CROSSING AND OTHER RESIDENTIALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> MR. CARROLL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SIR? >> PRETTY WELL. WE HAD DISCUSSED THE PRELIMINARY ONCE BEFORE, AND I WAS ABOUT MY OXIDATION POND BECAUSE I KNEW WHAT BAD SHAPE IT WAS, BUT HE EXPLAINED THAT, AND I KNOW RIGHT. NO, MA'AM. >> MR. WHITE, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT? >> OPEN QUESTIONS ANSWERED SATISFACTORY QUESTIONS. >> I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, EITHER, MR. MAYOR. >> JUST A COUPLE. CAN WE GO TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWED EXISTING CONDITIONS WHERE THE POND WAS? THE ACTUAL PHOTO. MR. CARROLL BROUGHT UP. AS I RECALL THE ONE PRIOR, AS I RECALL FROM VISITING THAT AREA, THAT POND, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU CALL. THAT'S THE ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE, THE CREATURE FROM THE LAGOON WOULD COME OUT OF. >> YES. IT'S GOING TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS PROJECT AS YOU MENTIONED. >> WHATEVER CONDITION IS THERE, IT'S GOING TO BE CLEANED UP. IT'S GOING TO BE VIABLE WATER OR WHATEVER IS GOING TO GO THERE. >> THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT POND. >> NO, BUT I'M SAYING THERE IS THAT OLD POND THERE. [01:05:03] IS THAT GOING TO BE CLEANED UP? >> THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOME WORK, THEY'RE DOING A TRAIL SYSTEM FOR THE GATEWAY CROSSING FOR HARON POINT, THE GATEWAY CROSSING DEVELOPMENT. THEY'RE DOING A POND. THEY'RE DOING SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS AND MAKING IT AN AMENITY AND NOT A CREATURE FROM THE BOOK. [LAUGHTER] >> THE OTHER QUESTION, IF YOU GO TO THE MAP THAT HAS THE ROADS COMING INTO THERE, JOHN STREET AND COLTON, NO, GO BACK TO THE MAP. MY QUESTION IS THIS. MY LAST QUESTION, I'LL BE DONE. WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE THE NEW ACCESS POINTS COMING INTO HERE FROM CAMAR ACRES. >> IT WILL COME DOWN THE STREET CROSSINGS AND THEN RIGHT ONTO SUMTER, AND YOU WOULD COME RIGHT IN THERE. >> THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE ACCESS POINT INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT? >> YES, SIR. ACTUALLY, THE CROSSINGS BOULEVARD, WILL ALMOST JUST CONTINUE ONTO THE PROPERTY, CORRECT. >> THERE'LL BE NO ACCESS FROM THOSE OTHER SIDE STREET, I THINK JOHN STREET, CAL STREET, WHATEVER THEY ARE? >> NO, SIR. THE CITYWIDE CANAL COMES DOWN THE BACK OF THAT AREA, AND SO THERE WILL BE A SINGLE CROSSING OF THAT OFF OF CROSSINGS BOULEVARD, BUT NO CONNECTIVITY TO JOHN OR THE OTHER STREETS THAT ARE CREATED BESIDE IT. >> IS THAT OKAY WITH OUR FIRST RESPONDERS? I THOUGHT THERE HAD TO BE TWO ACCESS POINTS. >> NOT FOR THIS NUMBER OF UNITS. >> NOT FOR THIS NUMBER OF UNITS. >> THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT WE'VE HAD THE FIRE MARSHAL AND SIT IN WITH US, AND HE'S WELL AWARE OF THAT. AS WELL AS BECAUSE OF THE CANAL AND BECAUSE OF THE MASSIVE WETLAND THAT SURROUNDS THESE PROPERTIES, IT REALLY IS AN ISLAND, BUT IT HAS BEEN LOOKED AT BY ALL OF THOSE AGENCIES. >> I'VE SEEN PRODUCT THAT THIS COMPANY HAS PUT FORWARD, AND I REALLY I APPLAUD THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT THAT YOU DO. MY LAST QUESTION, I PROMISE, THIS IS A LOW INCOME TAX CREDIT APPLICATION, WHERE ARE YOU WITH THAT? DOES THAT GRANT OR DENIAL HAVE ANY IMPACT ON YOUR FINAL DECISION TO GO FORWARD. >> WE ARE EVALUATING A NUMBER OF FINANCING OPPORTUNITIES, ONE AND OUR PREFERRED OF WHICH IS THE SOUTH CAROLINA HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM, THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM. THE WAY THE SITE SCORES. I KNOW THAT YOU WERE A PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS TRYING TO GET THE QAP MODIFIED THIS YEAR, WE WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL AT GETTING SOUTH CAROLINA HOUSING TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. BUT IT DOESN'T SCORE QUITE WELL ENOUGH THIS YEAR. I THINK IT'LL SCORE BETTER NEXT YEAR, PART OF THAT BEING JUST THE TIMING OF WHEN THE TOWN TOOK OWNERSHIP OF THE LAND. BUT WE ARE EVALUATING THREE OR FOUR OTHER FINANCING PROGRAMS BECAUSE WE'D PREFER TO GET THIS MOVING FORWARD SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. >> COUNCIL'S EDIFICATION, THE LOW INCOME TAX CREDITS HAVE A SCORING SYSTEM. WE SENT LETTERS. SENATOR DAVIS SENT A LETTER TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY TO GET THE PROPER NUMBER OF SCORES, RURAL AREAS LIKE OURS REALLY ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY INTENDED FOR HIGH DENSITY AREAS WHERE THEY CAN WALK TO THE SUPERMARKET OR THE DRUG STORE OR WHATEVER. SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION. I PROMISED IT WAS ONLY ONE MORE SOMETHING. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ORDINANCE 2025 02 06B, AND BECAUSE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 02 AND 06C, THEY ARE RUNNING TOGETHER. I'M ASKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR MAKE ANY CHANGES. >> AND WE MOVE TO THE OTHER? >> YES. >> I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE 2025 02 06B AND ORDINANCE 2025-0- 6C. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> I SECOND,. >> WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE,. >> ANY OPPOSED? [01:10:02] WELL, THE AYES HAVE IT AND IT PASSES. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. [BACKGROUND] >> NEXT, WE HAVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, [D.RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA,CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTOAN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SC ANDAPAC-ATLANTIC INC FOR THE INSTALLATION AND EXTENSION OFTURN LANES AT US278 AT LATITUDE AND LAKESIDE BOULEVARDSPROJECT (2025-02-06D)] CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, AND APAC, ATLANTIC INCORPORATED FOR THE INSTALLATION AND EXTENSION OF TURN LANES AT US 278 AT LATITUDE AND LAKESIDE BOULEVARD'S PROJECT WITH ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 02 06D. OVER TO MR. GROUPER, PLEASE. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. WE ARE EXTREMELY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU THIS EVENING. YES, I WAS GOING TO SAY FREUDIAN SLIP TO HOPEFULLY PREVENT FUTURE ACTIONS. WITH THAT I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO MATT BECAUSE HE'S BEEN SPEARHEADING A LOT OF THESE EFFORTS. >> HE'S THE MAN. >>HE'S THE MAN. >> HE'S THE MAN. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. YES. AS MR. GROUPER SAID, THIS IS ASKING FOR PERMISSION TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH APAC ATLANTIC. WE DID BID THIS PROJECT OUT FOR FULL DISCLOSURE. WE ONLY RECEIVED ONE BID RESPONSE. BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE THE NORM THESE DAYS. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WE DID THEN GIVE THAT BID TO OUR ENGINEER WHO DESIGNED THE SIGNAL IN THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, AND THE COSTS WERE VERY COMPARABLE TO WHAT THEY HAD ESTIMATED. WE WORK VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS BUT WE'VE CERTAINLY WORKED WITH APAC BEFORE. THEY'VE DONE OTHER WORK FOR US AND DONE IT WELL AND DONE IT PRETTY QUICKLY, TOO, IF YOU'LL RECALL, THE TEMPORARY SIGNAL AT ARGENT AND NEW RIVER WAS DONE MUCH QUICKER THAN WE THOUGHT. WHAT THIS PROJECT WILL DO WILL BE TO LENGTHEN THE EXISTING LEFT TURN LANES AND ADD AN ADDITIONAL LEFT TURN LANE OF 400 FEET IN LENGTH. IT ALSO ONE OF THE OTHER A SIDE BENEFIT, AND A VERY WANTED AND IMPORTANT ONE IS THAT WILL NOW ALLOW FOR THAT DEDICATED LEFT TURN ARROW INTO HILTON HEAD LAKES. IF YOU'RE HEADED EASTBOUND ON US 278, YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT LEFT. MAKE THAT MOVEMENT EASIER. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT LENGTHENING THESE TURN LANES WILL DO, ACTUALLY DO TWO THINGS. ONE, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC, CERTAINLY TURNING INTO LATITUDE, MARGARITAVILLE. THIS WILL ALLOW MORE STORAGE FOR THOSE TURNING VEHICLES, AND BECAUSE NOW OFTEN THEY BACK INTO THE ACTUAL TRAVEL LANES. THAT'S NOT AN IDEAL SITUATION. WITH THIS MUCH STORAGE AND TWO LANES, THAT SHOULD MAKE A BIG DENT IN THAT, AND THAT SHOULDN'T REALLY OCCUR VERY OFTEN, IF AT ALL. THEN THE OTHER THING, ALSO, IS, AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE THAT UNSAFE CONDITION, IT WILL ALLOW THE GREEN TIME AT THAT INTERSECTION TO BE LONGER, PARTICULARLY DURING THE PEAK HOURS. AS WE'RE WELL AWARE, WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT BACKUPS, PARTICULARLY EASTBOUND IN THE MORNINGS. THIS SHOULD HELP THAT A LOT. WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH KIMLEY HORN IN A RELATED MATTER TO LOOK AT THAT AND THE TIMING. WE BELIEVE IF WE EXTEND THE GREEN TIME, AND WE'VE ALREADY HAVE PERMISSION FROM SCDOT TO DO THIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH BUFORD COUNTY, WHO, AS YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY OPERATES THE SIGNAL AND PROGRAMS THE SIGNAL, THAT WE CAN MAKE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO THOSE DELAYS AND GET EVERYONE THROUGH QUICKER BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GO TO WORK AND VENDORS, DELIVERIES, ETC SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. THIS IS A SEMI-PERMANENT SEMI-TEMPORARY SOLUTION BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE KNOW THAT 278 WILL BE WIDENED AT SOME POINT. WITH THAT IN MIND, WE WILL BE TAKING OUT SOME OF THE STEEL MAST ARMS AND USING WOODEN POLES AND WIRES BECAUSE THE EXISTING ONES AREN'T LONG ENOUGH NOW THAT THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL TURN LANE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT. THAT'LL BE TEMPORARY, AND THEN ONCE, OF COURSE, THE FINAL DESIGN OF A WIDENED 278 OCCURS, WE WILL CERTAINLY REINSTALL STEEL POLES. IN THE MEANTIME, WE ARE GOING TO EXPLORE ALL OF OUR OPTIONS WITH THE POLES, WE HAVE TO REMOVE POLES AND MAST ARMS. WE'LL EITHER A, WE STORE THEM AND USE THEM AT OTHER LOCATIONS AS WE INSTALL SIGNALS, OR WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN SURPLUS THEM IF WE CAN GET AN APPROPRIATE PRICE FOR THEM. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM AWAY BY ANY STRETCH. THEY'RE EXPENSIVE. BUT AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON THE ROADWAY AND FOR THE SIZE OF THOSE, THOUGH, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT FIT. BUT I BELIEVE WITH ADDITIONAL SIGNALS COMING, PARTICULARLY ALONG ARGENT BOULEVARD OR THE LOCATIONS, WE CAN CERTAINLY USE THOSE MATERIALS AT THAT TIME. THEN FINALLY, THESE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE FUNDED FROM TWO DIFFERENT DA FEES, BOTH WEST ARGENT AND THE MINTO. THE MARGARITAVILLE. THEY'LL SPLIT THOSE BECAUSE IT BENEFITS BOTH. I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF I CAN. [01:15:02] >> ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? NOTHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA. >> NOTHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M OPENING THE FLOOR TO QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL. MR. MEERSMAN [OVERLAPPING]. >> NO. STANTECH, ACTUALLY, OUR ENGINEER WHO ACTUALLY DESIGNED THIS. THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THIS REALLY QUICKLY, GET IT DESIGNED. AS YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE TALKED IN OTHER PROJECTS, THE PERMITTING TAKES A LONG TIME, AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE DESIGN DONE QUICKLY AND THEN GET IT IN THAT PERMIT QUEUE. IT HELPS THAT WE'RE NOT RELOCATING ANY UTILITIES OR ANYTHING, ALSO. THAT HELPED AS WELL, AND THERE ARE NO WETLANDS INVOLVED, BUT THEY DESERVE A LOT OF CREDIT TOO FOR TURNING THE PROJECT AROUND VERY QUICKLY. WE'RE EXCITED. WHEN WE TALK WITH APAC AND GET DOWN TO SIGNING IT, WE'LL TALK MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT EXACTLY HOW LONG THEY THINK IT WILL BE. I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE IT COULD BE DONE IN 90 DAYS, BUT I WILL LET YOU KNOW ONCE WE HAVE A MORE DETAILED DISCUSSION WITH THEM, FROM THE TIME THEY START. >> IT'S AN AMAZING THING TO THINK OF SIX YEARS AGO, WHEN I MOVED IN, SINCE THAT TIME, NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TURN LANES. THE LIGHTS HAVE BEEN THERE. BUT THERE'S OVER 3,000 HOMES BETWEEN THOSE TWO DEVELOPMENTS AS HARDEEVILLE GROWS. EVERYBODY SAYS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR OUR GROWTH? THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. IT'S LONG ANTICIPATED. I'VE SPENT MY TIME SITTING IN THE TRAVEL LANES, WAITING TO TURN. WHEN YOU START HEARING SCREECH OF THE TIRES, YOU BEGIN TO WORRY A LITTLE BIT. IT'LL BE GREAT THE SOONER IT'S DONE BETTER. >> I ACTUALLY HAVE A COMMENT, MATT. I HAVE TO THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF EVERYBODY THAT LIVES IN OUR DEVELOPMENT AND THE THREE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS OFF OF HILTON HEAD LAKES THAT THIS IS COMING TO FRUITION. I KNOW I HAVE BURNED TO A LOT. AT THIS. THERE ARE A LOT OF GRATEFUL PEOPLE, VERY GRATEFUL THAT THIS HAS BEEN PUSHED AND THAT IT'S COME TO FRUITION. IT COULDN'T BE ANY FASTER BECAUSE THE OTHER DAY WHEN I WAS GOING HOME AFTER A MEETING, I NOTICED A SCHOOL BUS IN AT THAT INTERSECTION. I ASKED AROUND, AND THEY SAID, YES, THERE ARE SCHOOL BUSES NOW COMING INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT SCARED ME EVEN MORE WAS THE FACT THAT THAT SCHOOL BUS IS NOW DOING A LEFT TURN, AND THIS COULDN'T BE TIMELY. I JUST HOPE KEEP MY FINGERS CROSSED THAT, THAT THINGS WILL BE SAFE UNTIL THE LIGHTS GET GOING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MR. CARROLL. >> NO, MA'AM. >> MR. WHITE. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> MR. MAYOR. >> JUST REAL QUICK, DO WE HAVE ANY TIMETABLE? >> I REALLY DON'T, AT THIS POINT. I MEAN, AGAIN, I'M THINKING MAYBE 90 DAYS OR SO, BASED UPON HOW THEY WORKED ON THAT TEMPORARY INTERSECTION, WHICH WAS SMALLER, BUT IF YOU EXTRAPOLATE IT OUT, I THINK 90 DAYS OR LESS IS PROBABLY REASONABLE. >> 90 DAYS. >> FROM START OF WORK. >> THEY START CONSTRUCTION. THEY DON'T NEED STATE PERMITTING. >> I'M SORRY. >> THEY DON'T NEED STATE PERMITTING. >> WE ALREADY HAVE ALL THAT. >> THEY ALREADY HAVE IT, REAL GOOD. >> WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN HAND. >> REAL, GOOD NEWS. QUICKLY ON THE WIDENING, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT DESIGNED. BUT MY THOUGHT WAS WHEN WE WIDEN 278, IT WOULD COME OUT OF THE MIDDLE. IF WE HAVE TURNING LANES NOW THERE ALREADY IN PLACE, WHAT HAPPENS IF WHEN WE START WIDENING, DOES IT GO FROM TWO LANES TO THREE LANES TO TWO AT THAT POINT? DO YOU HAVE ANY ARGUMENT. >> I DO NOT. I AM AS YOU ALL VERY WELL KNOW, I AM NOT AN ENGINEER, SO I CAN'T KNOWLEDGEABLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I'M SURE THAT IT'LL ALL BE ACCOMMODATED. THAT'S THE BEST I CAN ANSWER. >> IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING JUST TO FORWARD TO THE ENGINEERS. AS A WHAT IF? WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE TURNING LANES. WHEN 278 IS WIDEN. I KNOW YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT. >> I CAN'T, BUT I CAN DIG INTO THAT FOR YOU. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. >> I DID WANT TO ADD ONE OTHER THING AND ACTUALLY, IN TALKING WITH IT, WE DID HAVE A SITE VISIT PRE BID, AND BECAUSE OF WHERE IT'S LOCATED, A LOT OF THE WORK WILL PROBABLY OCCUR AT NIGHTTIME JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE. >> THANK YOU. >> THAT'S REQUIRED BY DOT WHEN THEY DO CERTAIN THINGS ON A ROAD OF THAT VOLUME. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, [01:20:02] DISAPPROVAL, OR ANY CHANGES TO RESOLUTION 2025-02-06D. >> I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? THE RESOLUTION PASSES. THANK YOU, MATT. RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A RIGHT OF [E.RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ARIGHT OF WAY CONTRIBUTION AGREEMENT WITH BENJAMINARGENT SC, LLC IN ORDER TO COMPLETE IMPROVEMENTS TO THEINTERSECTION OF ARGENT BOULEVARD AND SHORT CUT ROADAND OTHER MATTERS RELATED THERETO. (2025-02-06E)] WAY CONTRIBUTION AGREEMENT WITH BENJAMIN ARGENT, SOUTH CAROLINA, LLC IN ORDER TO COMPLETE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INTERSECTIONS OF [NOISE] ARGENT BOULEVARD AND SHORTCUT ROAD, AND OTHER MATTERS RELATED THERETO, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025-02-06E. TAKE IT AWAY, MR. GRUBER. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AGAIN, ANOTHER ITEM THAT WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BRING FORWARD. THIS IS RELATED TO THE CITY'S EFFORTS AT DOING INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS ON ARGENT BOULEVARD AT SHORTCUT ROAD. AGAIN, I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY AWARE OF THOSE CONCERNS, AND IT'S BEEN AN EFFORT THAT WE'VE BEEN PURSUING FOR SOME TIME NOW. ONE OF THE HURDLES TO GETTING THAT PROJECT UNDERWAY AND ULTIMATELY COMPLETED HAS BEEN ACQUIRING THE NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY AROUND THE AREA OF THE INTERSECTION. WHAT IS BEING BROUGHT FORWARD TO YOU TODAY IS AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE DONATION OF SOME OF THE NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY. IN EXCHANGE, THE CITY'S AGREEING THAT THE DEVELOPER, THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE LAND AS IF THEY STILL HAD THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE DONATING TO THE CITY. >> DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER PRESENTATIONS BY STAFF? >> NO, MA'AM. BUT THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THE ARRANGEMENT ITSELF. >> ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC? ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL? THANK FOR MAYOR. >> MR. CARROLL. MR. MAYOR? >> JUST TIMETABLE, AGAIN, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA NOW THAT THIS IS THE FINAL EASEMENT. THAT WE ACQUISITION THAT WE NEEDED? RESIST. >> HERE, I CAN ANSWER THAT. IT IS ONE OF THE FINAL. WE HAVE TWO MORE PERMISSIONS IN PLAY, AND THEN TWO MORE ACQUISITIONS, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT A COUPLE OF LANGUAGE ISSUES, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THEY SHOULDN'T BE DONE QUICKLY. I CAN GIVE YOU SOME FURTHER DETAIL IN MY OFFICE ON WHICH PARCELS THOSE ARE. >> WHENEVER WE CAN COME UP WITH THE TIMETABLE IS MATT, AS WE'VE BEEN GETTING CONTINUAL QUESTIONS ABOUT WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE FIXED. WHATEVER YOU CAN FORWARD TO THIS COUNCIL SO WE CAN ANSWER THE PUBLIC'S QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> NO QUESTIONS. >> MAY I HAVE MOTION FOR APPROVAL, DISAPPROVAL OR ANY CHANGES TO RESOLUTION 2025-02-06E. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2025-02-06E. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? NO. AND THE RESOLUTION PASSES. COMING DOWN THE WILE. RECEIPT OF A TAX COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROPRIATE STATE ACCOMMODATIONS, [F. RECEIPT OF THE ATAX COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROPRIATE STATE ACCOMMODATIONS TAX RECEIPTS PURSUANT TO SECTION 6-4-10 OF THE SC CODE OF LAWS] TAX RECEIPTS, PURSUANT TO SECTION 6-4-10 OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA COURT OF LAWS. IT'S THE SUN CITY HILTON HEAD PICKLEBALL CLUB FOR THE LOW COUNTRY PICKLEBALL CLASSIC EVENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $13,225. [1. SUN CITY HILTON HEAD PICKLEBALL CLUB FOR THE LOWCOUNTRY PICKLEBALL CLASSIC EVENT $13,225.00] MR. BOYLE,. >> MADAM CHAIR, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THAT ONE [OVERLAPPING] EVENING. THIS IS PART OF YOUR REGULAR PROCESS. THE CITY COLLECTS STATE ACCOMMODATIONS TAXES. THAT IS A 2% TAX ON OVERNIGHT LODGING AND TRANSIENT ACCOMMODATIONS. THAT MONEY BY STATE LAW IS RESTRICTED IN HOW IT'S USED AND MUST BE USED FOR SPECIFIC MARKETING AND OR TOURISM RELATED EFFORTS. IN SUPPORT OF THOSE ACTIONS, THE CITY'S CREATED AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT HEARS REQUESTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEN MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS TO THIS BODY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT BOTH OF THE REQUESTS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, THE REQUESTS FOR THE LOW COUNTRY PICKLEBALL CLASSIC AND THE LOW COUNTRY TOURISM COMMISSIONING, DIGITAL MARKETING, AND LITERATURE, BOTH HAVE COME THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE COMING TO CITY COUNCIL. JOHN, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO ADD OTHER THAN THAT? >> NO. [INAUDIBLE] THERE'S THERE'S A DELAY THAT I APPARENTLY WAS BEHIND. >> NO WORRIES. >> DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION BY COUNSEL? [01:25:05] >> MADAM CHAIR, I'M NOT SURE. IS THIS FOR $20,400 OR FOR $13,225. >> THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE REQUESTS. [BACKGROUND] THE FIRST ONE IS FOR $13,225, AND THAT'S THE LOW COUNTRY PICKLEBALL CLASSIC, AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS FOR THE DIGITAL MARKETING AND LITERATURE, AND THAT'S $20,400. >> CAN YOU TURN TO PAGE. THANK YOU. >> DO WE HAVE FURTHER QUESTION? [BACKGROUND] DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THE PICKLEBALL? >> MADAM CHAIR? >> YES, SIR. >> JUST QUICKLY, WHAT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR? THIS TOURNAMENT BRINGS IN HUNDREDS FROM, I THINK SOMETHING LIKE 30 STATES. [OVERLAPPING] THEY COME IN AND WHERE THIS TOURNAMENT IS HELD IS ALL OVER IT SAYS HARDEEVILLE. DOESN'T SAY BLUFFTON, DOESN'T SAY [OVERLAPPING] HARDEEVILLE ON IT. EVER ALL THE SIGNS SAY HARDEEVILLE. THIS HAS BEEN AND IN THE PAST, THIS ORGANIZATION HAS IF THEY'VE HAD EXCESS FUNDS, THEY HAVE ALSO CONTRIBUTED TO A LOCAL CHARITY. THIS IS AN EXCELLENT. >> SOME IN THE PAST, AS WELL. >> THEY THEY'RE AN UPFRONT ORGANIZATION THAT BRINGS IN A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND EVERYBODY SEES THE NAME HARDEEVILLE. I'M REALLY, REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THAT. >> AWESOME. THAT'S A BIG MARKETING FOR THE CITY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? DISAPPROVAL, OR ANY CHANGES TO [NOISE]. >> DOESN'T HAVE [INAUDIBLE]. >> TO APPROVE THIS. >> MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE TAX COUNCIL. A TAX COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED MOTION. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. >> AYE. >> IT PASSES. THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE, IS THE SOUTH CAROLINA LOW COUNTRY TOURISM COMMISSION [NOISE] FOR DIGITAL MARKETING AND LITERATURE PUBLICATIONS TO THE SUM OF $20,400. [2. SC LOWCOUNTRY TOURISM COMMISSION FOR DIGITAL MARKETING AND LITERATURE PUBLICATIONS $20,400.00] MR. JOHN BOYLE. >> THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PEACH HAS BEEN DOING FOR US FOR YEARS, AND WORKS WELL, PRETTY MUCH RUNS ITSELF. COUNCIL HAS CONSISTENTLY AGREED WITH HAVING PEACH FULFILLED HIS NEED FOR THE CITY. >> ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS? I NEED A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, DISAPPROVAL, OR ANY CHANGES TO THIS REQUEST. >> MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THE REQUEST. >> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> OR ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES. OH, MY GOD. >> THANK YOU. >> THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL. [LAUGHTER] >> YOU'RE DOING FINE. [LAUGHTER] WE ARE MOVING TO THE MANAGER'S REPORT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT THIS EVENING. [BACKGROUND] [LAUGHTER] >> COUNSEL ISSUES AND CONSENTS. CAN WE BEAT HIS RECORD? [BACKGROUND] I DON'T THINK SO. [XII. COUNCIL ISSUES AND CONCERNS] I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT. >> [INAUDIBLE] REPORT. >> MR. AMAIZE. >> WE HAD OUR WORKSHOP THE OTHER DAY AND A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS CAME OUT OF THAT WORKSHOP. THE COUNCIL IS WORKING TOGETHER NOW. WE SAW IT AGAIN TONIGHT. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE REQUESTING OF DEVELOPERS AS THEY COME ALONG. I'M VERY PROUD TO BE PART OF THAT. I THINK WE'VE ALL HAD OUR CALENDAR FILLED WITH WHAT PARK AND REC HAS ON PLANS FOR US THIS YEAR. IT'S VERY EXTENSIVE. [OVERLAPPING] I WANT TO SAY THE COMMITTEES, I'M PART OF THE COMMITTEE THAT DOES THE HEARTBEAT OF HARDEEVILLE, AND ESPECIALLY MISS CINDY DOWN THERE. SHE HAS TAKEN THE LEAD, AND SHE'S MADE LIFE REAL EASY FOR ME WITH THIS, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT WITH THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TONIGHT. [01:30:01] >> MR. CARROLL. >> NOTHING TO REPORT. [NOISE] >> THE WHITE. >> NOTHING TO REPORT. >> MR. MAYOR. >> WELL, I ALWAYS HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING. FIRST OF ALL, ON THE 17TH WAS CONVERGE, AND THAT'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE THAT'S HELD IN SUN CITY. ALWAYS, VERY GOOD. WE HEAR FROM WE HAD HARRY LITZI SECRETARY OF COMMERCE, SO IT WAS VERY GOOD. WE HAD OUR RETREAT, AND THAT WAS VERY WELL DONE. I'D LIKE TO COMPLIMENT FORMER MAYOR SOCA FOR COMING AND GIVING US A LUNCH AND LEARN. I, FOR ONE, LEARNED A LOT. AT SLOCO. MUCH TO EVERYONE'S SURPRISE. I WAS ELECTED CHAIR FOR ANOTHER YEAR. AS JUST FOR FULL DISCLOSURE, WHICH I THINK [NOISE] WE ALL KNEW WE MET ON THE 28TH WITH THOMAS AND HUTTON REGARDING THE MORGAN TRACK, AND I THINK THAT WAS DISCLOSED AT THE WORKSHOP. I ALSO MET WITH MARIANNE BELL OF SECOND HELPINGS LOOKING TO EXPAND OPERATIONS, PARTICULARLY IN THE HOCKEY TEA AREA. I WANT TO CONGRATULATE ROYAL LIVE OAKS ACADEMY THAT I WENT THERE. THEY HAD MEETINGS WITH, AND THEY WERE GIVEN A SCHOOL TO WATCH AWARD BASED ON MEETINGS WITH PARENTS, SOME OF THE COUPLE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. BUT I WAS REALLY THE THING I WANTED TO NOTE, THE PARENTS AT ROYAL LIVE OAKS ACADEMY WERE REALLY ENGAGED AND REALLY COMMITTED TO EDUCATION BY THEIR STUDENTS. THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT AWARD AND THAT'S IT. I'M DONE. UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO GO FURTHER, JOHN. [LAUGHTER] THAT'S IT. I'M DONE. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC OR SOCIAL MEDIA? THERE BEING NONE. I CALL FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING. [XIII. ADJOURNMENT] >> MOTION TO ADJOURN. >> SECOND. >> HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. SAY AYE. [LAUGHTER] >> AYE. >> THE MOTION CARRIES, AND THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.