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UM, I'M GONNA CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
[I. CALL TO ORDER]
CITY OF HARDY CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP 2 0 5 MAIN STREET, HARDY, SOUTH CAROLINA 2 9 9 2 7, THURSDAY, JANUARY 9TH, 2025 AT 3:00 PM THIS IS A WORKSHOP.THE RULES OF ORDER ARE RELAXED AS OR AS OUR, OUR CLOTHING IS.
UM, THE, UH, JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY THERE, JUST SPEAK WHEN YOU WANT TO.
UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR.
JUST GIVE THE COURTESY OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER, UM, IF THEY COMPLETE THEIR THOUGHTS BEFORE YOU CHIME IN.
SO, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MR. GRUBER.
[II. MANAGER’S REPORT]
FIRST ON OUR AGENDA TODAY, WE HAVE ASKED THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM ASSOCIATED WITH THE RIVERPORT DEVELOPMENT AND EXIT THREE TO COME DOWN AND GIVE A PRESENTATION[1. EXIT 3]
BY WAY OF JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND FOR COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.UM, THE CITY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH JASPER COUNTY, AND THE STATE HAS BEEN LOOKING AT EXIT THREE FOR WELL OVER A DECADE, UM, GOING BACK ABOUT 15 YEARS.
GOING, GOING BACK A A LONG TIME.
AND SO, UM, PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR THIS AREA AND CALLED FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW EXIT ON I 95 AT EXIT THREE.
BUT GIVEN THE, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS HOW CONSTRUCTION COSTS ESCALATED SO SIGNIFICANTLY, THERE WAS TRULY A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS GONNA BE ENOUGH FUNDING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
AS YOU KNOW, UM, BACK IN NOVEMBER, THE CITY, THE COUNTY, UH, AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM WAS SUCCESSFUL IN GOING TO THE STATE AND IN ASKING FOR MORE FUNDING TO HELP CLOSE THAT GAP.
AND WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN OBTAINING THAT.
SO WHAT'S GONNA BE COMING BEFORE YOU NEXT WEEK AT YOUR COUNCIL MEETING IS SEVERAL ITEMS THAT ARE RELATED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND REALLY WHAT THEY ARE, ARE UPDATES TO EXISTING DOCUMENTS THAT THE CITY'S ALREADY, UH, AGREED TO, BUT ARE LOOKING AT NOW THE NEW FINANCING TERMS THAT ARE GONNA GO ALONG WITH THE, UH, THE INCREASED GRANT FUNDING THAT THE STATE'S PROVIDED, AND SOME MORE BENEFICIAL LOAN TERMS FOR A LOAN THAT THE CITY AND THE COUNTY ARE GONNA BE TAKING ON ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.
SO, IN ANTICIPATION OF YOU BEING ASKED TO APPROVE THOSE UPDATED FINANCING DOCUMENTS, IN TALKING WITH THE MAYOR, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO NOT ONLY REFRESH THE PUBLIC'S RECOLLECTION ABOUT WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN CALLS FOR, BUT ALSO CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE VISION IS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT GROUP, GET EXCITED ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA BE COMING TO THIS COMMUNITY, AND THEN ALSO UNDERSTAND FROM A VERY GENERAL STANDPOINT WHAT THE TIMING OF THAT LOOKS LIKE, SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN WHAT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED IN THESE AREAS AND WHAT REVENUES ARE GONNA BE GENERATED TO HELP PAY FOR THOSE DEBT OBLIGATIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING ON ASSOCIATED WITH EXIT THREE.
SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CELEBRATE THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA BE COMING HERE AS A PART OF THIS PROJECT.
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THAT, EITHER FROM A CONCEPT STANDPOINT OR A TIMING STANDPOINT, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS STILL VERY HIGH LEVEL.
UH, IT'S CONCEPTUAL PLANS, NOT ADOPTED PLANS, IT'S CONCEPTUAL TIMELINES, NOT ACTUAL TIMELINES, BUT REALLY JUST WANTED TO, TO DO AN, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT THAT INFORMATION TO, UH, REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION AND THE PUBLIX.
SO WITH THAT INTRODUCTION, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.
UH, JOSH, WOULD YOU HAVE, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH FOR, WELL, THE EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS I'VE BEEN MAYOR, SO, UM, THE FACES ARE MORE FAMILIAR THAN SOME OF MY FAMILY, SO
SO I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE EACH OF 'EM TO STAND UP, IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.
SOME OF 'EM YOU PROBABLY YOU'VE SEEN AT OTHER MEETINGS, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THE TEAM THAT'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR LITERALLY 15 YEARS.
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MR. GRAMBLING, PLEASE.BEING GRAMBLING, GRAMBLING BROTHERS AND, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.
I'M WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM AS WELL.
LIN BROTHERS LAWYERS, UM, A I'M A, THE BANAR NIXON REPRESENTATIVE DEVELOPMENT TEAM FROM COLUMBIA.
UH, I'M FEVI TOLEDO, REPRESENTING TO MANHATTAN.
LAMAR SAY HE MISS YOU ALL TOO.
YOU WISH YOU WOULD BE HERE JUNE 1ST.
I'M GEORGE BOCO, REPRESENTATIVE, DEVELOP TEAM OF NAR NIXON.
AND I'M DOUG SMITH, AND I HAVE BEEN ON THIS PROJECT FOR SIX YEARS, SO I I KNOW Y'ALL, THOMAS.
I CAME WHEN THE SEAL BANGED US OUT AND SAID NO MORE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE WERE ABLE TO GET IT BACK IN WITH YOUR HELP.
WELL, THESE GENTLEMEN HAVE, UM, BEEN WORKING ON THIS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY NEWS, UH, THEY HAVE THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN TO.
AND I KNOW I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF THEM.
UH, I THINK THEY MEET JUST ABOUT EVERY WEEK.
AND OF COURSE, GRAMBLING IS, IS GOING TO, UH, BE DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE HAVE OUR ATTORNEYS, UH, MR. BULL ANKLE AND JOSH GO BACK A LITTLE BIT IN THE FORMER EMPLOYMENT.
UM, SO IT, IT'S REALLY BEEN A TEAM EFFORT.
SO I, I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, MEETS, MEETS THE FACES.
AND NOW, COULD WE ALSO INTRODUCE THE PEOPLE ON ZOOM? WHO, WHO'S ON THERE? PROBABLY MUTED BOND COUNCIL.
WHO'S, WHO'S, OH, THAT'S JUST, OKAY.
OH, SO AND IS ROB YOU WITH US? HE MAY BE WATCHING US.
ROB, YOU KNOW, UM, HE'S WATCHING MR. MAYOR.
HE'S ALSO WITH THE, WITH THE STRATFORD GROUP.
AND, UH, HE IS THE MANAGER OF, OF THE PROJECT, UH, FOR THE LAND HOLDERS.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE TEAM.
I DON'T THINK I, DID I MISS ANYBODY? OKAY.
SO WE WANTED, AGAIN, TO CELEBRATE WHAT'S GONNA BE COMING FORWARD, UM, BEFORE YOU NEXT WEEK BY TEEING UP AND REVIEWING KIND OF WHAT THE CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS ARE.
AND SO I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANYBODY FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM THAT WANTS TO HELP COVER OR GO OVER THAT, OR YEAH, PLEASE.
AND LET YOU KIND OF LEAD A LEADER REVIEW.
MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE TIME.
I'M WITH, UH, WITH GRAMBLING AND ALSO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.
UM, AND I ALSO THROUGH THE SHORT STRAW, SO I'LL BE, I'LL BE WALKING YOU THROUGH KIND OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, AS WE CURRENTLY SEE IT.
AND, UM, GIVING YOU KIND OF AN UPDATE ON WHERE THINGS ARE.
IT'S A, IT'S A VERY EXCITING TIME FOR US, UM, OBVIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF YEARS THAT HAVE GONE INTO THE PLANNING ON THIS PROJECT TO, TO KIND OF BE WHERE WE ARE.
AND, UM, I, I'LL, I'LL GIVE A QUICK SUMMARY OF, OF KIND OF WHERE WE ARE AND HOW WE SEE NEXT STEPS HAPPENING.
BUT I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, PLEASE BY ALL MEANS, STOP ME WITH ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, OR IF YOU WANNA FOCUS ON ANYTHING AS I WALK THROUGH THIS, I'M HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO, UH, TRY TO EXPLAIN MORE.
SO, AS WE ALL KNOW, UH, THIS IS THE RIVERPORT PROJECT.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT RIVERPORT NORTH HERE.
I DON'T KNOW, WE CAN SCROLL DOWN.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN KIND OF ZOOM OUT.
SO YOU, UM, YOU, YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE THERE IS, UH, THE ENTRANCE INTO RIVERPORT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
YEAH, I CAN, I CAN QUITE, I CAN QUITE KINDA SUMMARIZE HERE, I GUESS.
SO WE WE'RE LOOKING HERE AT, WE'RE LOOKING HERE AT 17, OBVIOUSLY,
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IF YOU COULD SCROLL DOWN JUST A LITTLE, THIS IS KIND OF THE HEART OF THE PROJECT HERE.THIS IS WHAT YOU KNOW, IS THE, IS THE PROPOSED NEW EXIT THREE ON 9 95.
IT'S JUST THE POINTER IF YOU WANNA USE, OH, YEAH.
SO, SHOULD SHOW, THERE YOU GO.
SO, SO THE NEW, UH, EXIT THREE HERE, WHICH, UM, AS I, I'M, I'M GUESSING MOST FOLKS KNOW, HAS NOW BEEN APPROVED, UM, FULLY FUNDED BY THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK, UH, WORKING THROUGH ALL ENTITLEMENTS, UM, IN THE LAST, WE FEEL LIKE, KIND OF ON THE ONE YARD LINE OF GETTING OUR 4 0 4 WETLANDS PERMIT, WHICH WE'RE KIND OF EXPECTING, UH, IN JANUARY, WHICH IS KIND OF THE LAST STEP FOR US, UM, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, UH, S-C-D-O-T IS, IS, UH, IS PLANNING ON WIDENING I 95 FROM THE RIVER ALL THE WAY TO MILE MARKER 12.
AND AS PART OF THAT, THERE'LL BE SIGNIFICANT WORK ON THREE INTERCHANGES, OBVIOUSLY, UH, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THREE RENOVATIONS MADE TO FIVE, AND THEN A REPLACEMENT OF EXIT EIGHT.
SO WE'RE EXCITED TO FINALLY KIND OF BE OFFICIALLY A PART OF THAT PROJECT WITH S-C-D-O-T, UM, BIDS.
THE PACKAGE HAS BEEN SUBMITTED NOW AND IS NOW UNDER UNDERGOING BIDS FOR THE WIDENING AND FOR THE NEW INTERCHANGE WORK.
S-C-D-O-T IS PLANNING ON HAVING THOSE BIDS SUBMITTED BY FEBRUARY 8TH, 10TH 12TH.
FEBRUARY 12TH IS, IS WHEN THEY'RE EXPECTING BIDS BACK FOR THE ENTIRE JOB.
UH, I THINK DO DOT HAS GOT AN EYE TOWARDS STARTING CONSTRUCTION SHORTLY THEREAFTER, LET'S SAY MARCH.
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT WORK IS GONNA BEGIN HERE, UH, END OF FIRST QUARTER, BEGINNING OF SECOND QUARTER OF THIS YEAR, YEAR.
SO I THINK WE'RE FINALLY AT A REALITY YEAR OF, OF, OF SEEING DIRT MOVING.
SO FOR US, UM, OBVIOUSLY EXIT THREE IS, IS A BIG PART OF OUR ENTIRE PROJECT.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A THREE, THREE AND A HALF YEAR BUILD, I THINK FOR THE S-E-D-O-T PROJECT.
NOT QUITE SURE WHERE EXIT THREE FALLS IN THAT TIMELINE AS FAR AS THE OVERALL WORK.
UM, BUT THEY ARE STARTING AT THE RIVER WITH, WITH TWO NEW BRIDGES AT THE RIVER.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE JUST KIND OF STILL FIGURING OUT, I GUESS, WHEN WE KIND OF COME INTO THAT, INTO THAT PROCESS.
TWO OTHER KIND OF KEY COMPONENTS, I THINK OF THE OVERALL PROJECT.
NUMBER ONE WOULD BE THE COMPLETION OF NEW REPORT PARKWAY SOUTH, WHICH IS BASICALLY PICKING UP HERE WHERE IT STUBBED OUT OFF OF 17 AND COMPLETING PARKWAY SOUTH UP TO THE NEW EXIT THREE INTERCHANGE.
AND NUMBER TWO, THE BUILDING OF RIVERPORT PARKWAY NORTH, WHICH WILL AGAIN PICK UP HERE AT EXIT THREE AND CONTINUE ALL THE WAY UP TO CHURCH ROAD TWO LANES, UM, FOR PARKWAY NORTH UNTIL YOU GET TO THE CSX LINE WHERE A NEW FLYOVER WILL BE BUILT OVER THE CSX LINE.
AND IT WILL WIDEN TO FOUR LANES.
SO FOUR LANES CONSTRUCTION FROM ABOUT RIGHT HERE TO EXIT THREE.
AND THE ENTIRETY OF PARKWAY SOUTH WILL BE A FOUR LANE CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS ABOUT, UH, THREE AND A HALF MILES OF CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS ABOUT 1.7 MILES, AND I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF GUYS SITTING HERE IN THE BACK THAT CAN WEIGH IN IF THEY NEED TO, IF I MISS ANYTHING.
UM, TWO THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, I THINK IN ADVANCE OF, OF ALL THE SPINE ROAD CONSTRUCTION AND EXIT THREE CONSTRUCTION, WE'VE GOT A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, UH, INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PLANNED FOR WHAT WE CALL PHASE THREE.
IT'S ABOUT 4 MILLION SQUARE FEET.
WE CALL IT RIVERPORT, UH, COMMERCE PARK.
IT HAS ALREADY, AS Y'ALL KNOW, MADE ITS WAY THROUGH THE IMP PROCESS.
SO WE ARE, UH, WE'RE EYEING A START TO THE 4 MILLION SQUARE FEET PHASE THREE PRO PROJECT SOMETIME IN 2025, UH, ALREADY HAVE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INTEREST IN THAT PORTION OF THE PROJECT.
SO, UM, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT GETTING THAT STARTED.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING, IF YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, AT SOME, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN RIVERPORT NORTH, UM, WITH AN EYE OF STARTING THAT IN 2025 AS WELL.
AND, AND I THINK FOR THOSE TWO PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SEE IS OBVIOUSLY THE CHURCH ROAD CONNECTION ON DOWN TO 17 IS A BIG PART WE FEEL LIKE OF, OF GETTING A HEAD START IN RIVERPORT NORTH.
AND THEN AS PARKWAY SOUTH GETS COMPLETED, THAT WILL ENABLE US TO GET STARTED ON THE PHASE THREE DEVELOPMENT USING HIGHWAY 17 WHILE THE REST OF THE SPINE ROAD AND EXIT THREE GETS BUILT.
SO THOSE ARE TWO PIECES, AND, AND WE KINDA REFER TO THE PROJECT AS THE TIF DISTRICT, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE 15 OR SO HUNDRED TOTAL ACRES.
IF YOU COULD GO DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR ME, THE TIF MID DISTRICT, WHICH
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LITTLE BIT.I THINK YOU'RE HITTING A BUTTON OTHER THAN THE POINTER.
AM I DOING THAT? YEAH, I JUST THOUGHT I HAD THE POINTER RIGHT NOW.
IT WON'T LET ME STOP IN THE MIDDLE.
IT'S, SO THE TIP DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY ENCOMPASSES THIS PIECE HERE, EVERYTHING HERE, AND THEN ALL OF THIS AREA DOWN TO HERE THAT IS WHAT WE CALL THE TIF MID DISTRICT.
UM, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WILL BE CREATED AS PART OF, UH, THE FINAL DOCUMENTS THAT ARE MAKING THEIR WAY THROUGH THE CITY NOW.
UM, AND WILL BE A MEANS OF REPAYMENT THROUGH THAT TIF MID DISTRICT OF THE LOAN THAT WE ARE SIGNING WITH THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK AS PART OF THE OVERALL SIB, UH, PACKAGE TO GET EXIT THREE FUNDED.
THE NON TIF DISTRICT INCLUDES EVERYTHING KIND OF NORTH UP HERE IN RIVERPORT NORTH.
AND THEN THIS PHASE THREE PROJECT HERE, WE CALL THOSE KIND OF THE NONT TIP DISTRICT.
SO THE IDEA WOULD BE WE GET STARTED ON THOSE TWO NON TIF DISTRICT PORTIONS, UM, WHILE THE SPINE ROAD AND, AND EXIT THREE GET BUILT.
THOSE CAN GET STARTED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE GETS PUT IN PLACE, THE TIP DISTRICT STARTS GETTING BUILT OUT.
LEMME GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OVERALL RIVERPORT LAYOUT? I THINK WE'VE ALL SEEN IT MANY TIMES.
JUST ONE QUESTION, IF YOU CAN GO UP TO YOUR NORTHERN PART THERE.
THAT BORDERS, UH, CHURCH ROAD, OR WILL IT HAVE ACCESS TO CHURCH ROAD? WE DO.
WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT TWO, UH, ACCESS POINTS TO CHURCH ROAD NOW.
JUST MY, 'CAUSE THE QUESTION IS, IS, AND I'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE FOLKS UP ON CHURCH ROAD, WHEN YOU START DEVELOPING THAT UNIT THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE SUBSTANTIAL LAND CLEARING.
AND, AND THOSE ISSUES THERE, PLEASE BE VERY RESPECTFUL TO THE RESIDENTS ALONG CHURCH ROAD.
THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CITIZENS TOO, AND THEY'RE, THIS IS A BIG JUMP FOR THEM TO HAVE THIS MUCH COMING ON THEIR ROAD.
IT'S, UH, THERE'S CHILDREN AND EVERYTHING ELSE ALONG THERE.
JUST BE MINDFUL OF IT, PLEASE.
AND I THINK WE ALL, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW IT'S GONNA TAKE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND, AND THE SITE WORK DONE THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS OBVIOUSLY BEFORE YOU SEE ANY REAL SIGNIFICANT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE GONNA BE SEEING THE SPINE ROAD AND EXIT THREE COMING ONLINE IN THREE YEARS.
I THINK BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE PASSED THE, UH, INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR THE PHASE THREE OF LAST MONTH, I THINK IT WAS MM-HMM
AND, UH, SO THAT, THAT'S BEEN MASTER PLANNED AND APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
THIS, THE TIF DISTRICT IS IMPORTANT FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY AND WHAT WILL BE ASKED TO PASS THE IGA, WHICH WE HAD PASSED BEFORE, BEFORE WE GOT TO 35 MILLION.
UM, IT WAS ALSO AT THAT TIME WAS A 15 YEAR LOAN PAID OFF BY THAT 1600 ACRES.
THAT INCLUDES THE PUBLIC TIFF.
NOW, THE NEW IGA WILL INCLUDE NOT ONLY THE ADDITIONAL 35 MILLION, AND THAT'S A GRANT, THERE'S NO MORE LOAN, BUT THE LOAN, WHAT WE ASK FOR, UH, ALSO BECAUSE OF THE COST, INSTEAD OF A 15 YEAR LOAN, IT'S A 25 YEAR LOAN.
SO THAT GOES INTO THE NEW IGA.
THERE WERE ALSO SOME, UH, STIPULATIONS THAT THE BANK WANTED.
FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO APPLY FOR, FOR GRANTS FROM OTHER SOURCES.
IF WE GET IT, WE GO TO, UH, GOES TO THE ADDITIONAL 35 MILLION.
I ASKED THE BOARD IF THEY WOULD PUT IT TOWARDS THE LOAN.
DOUG HAD ME PREPPED, UH, BUT THEY TURNED THAT DOWN
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S, UM, REALLY OUR CONCERN IS THAT TIF DISTRICT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO PAY BACK THE LOAN.
SO THERE'S FIVE YEARS AFTER WE START PULLING THE LOAN.
SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SEQUENCING OF IT.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS WE HAVE $28 MILLION A GRANT THAT WILL BE SPENT FIRST, THEN WE, THEN IT GOES TO THE LOAN.
THEY WANTED THE ADDITIONAL GRANT LAST
SO, UH, ANOTHER ASK THAT GOT TURNED DOWN.
BUT THE, THE SECOND THING IS THE LOAN.
SO WE DON'T START THE LOAN AND THE TIFF IS LATER.
SO WE GOTTA SPEND 28000001ST, AND THEN WE START PULLING DOWN THE LOAN.
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AND THEN THE LOAN HAS, AND, UH, FINANCE GUYS CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.WE HAVE FIVE, THE FIRST FIVE YEARS OF THE LOAN ARE INTEREST ONLY.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, IT'S A YEARLY PAYOFF OF INTEREST PLUS PRINCIPLE.
SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE ASKED TO PASS NEXT WEEK IS THE REVISED IGA THAT HAS THE ADDITIONAL 35 MILLION, THE ADDITIONAL TIME FOR THE LOAN AND THE CONDITIONS THAT THE BANK PUT ON US.
AND THAT'S REALLY THE, THE LONG AND SHORT OF WHAT'S CHANGING FROM WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED TO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO ADOPT NOW.
SO WE'LL UPDATE THE DATES, WE'LL UPDATE THE DOLLAR VALUES, BUT SUBSTANTIVELY NOT A LOT'S CHANGING OTHER THAN INCORPORATING THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT SIB PUT ON THE ADDITIONAL 35 MILLION, YOU PUT 'EM ON THE ADDITIONAL 35 MILLION.
THE ONLY THING I'D ADD TO THAT, MR. MAYORS, I THINK, ALAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK THE LOCAL MATCH ACTUALLY GOES IN FIRST.
UM, IN OTHER WORDS, SPONSORED, I THINK DOES GO IN SIMULTANEOUSLY MM-HMM
THE LOCAL MATCH, JUST FOR COUNCIL TO, TO REMINDER THE LOCAL MATCH IS, WAS ESTIMATED $28 MILLION TO MATCH THE $28 MILLION GRANT.
AND, AND THAT'S THE BUILDING OF PARKWAY SOUTH.
SO THAT'S ALL ON THE DEVELOPER.
AND ALSO THE LAND THAT EXIT THREE IS TAKEN UP, THAT WAS ALSO GIVEN BY THE LANDOWNER.
SO THAT WAS ALL ESTIMATED AT $28 MILLION TO MATCH THE $28 MILLION GRANT.
SO THAT'S WHAT HE SAID WHEN HE SAID THE, THE, THE MATCH, THAT'S THE BUILDING OF THE ROAD PARKWAY.
ADD THAT PART, RIGHT? PARKWAY SOUTH.
THE, THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM WILL BE FUNDING, WILL BE CONSTRUCTING AND FUNDING ALL OF PARKWAY SOUTH, AND YOU KNOW, THE VALUE WHEN DONE, IT'LL BE MORE THAN 20 A LOT.
YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT? ALL RIGHT.
WELL, I, I'M NOT QUALIFIED TO WORK THIS THING, BUT
HE SAYS YOUR MANAGER, I GOT ZOOM BACK IN.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LAG.
I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH THE KIND OF THE DEVELOP CONCEPTUAL, UH, MASTER SITE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY.
AND THEN SOME OF US HAVE SEEN.
BUT BEFORE I GET INTO THAT, I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE ARE SHOWING FROM A, FROM A USE AND, AND DENSITY STANDPOINT VERSUS WHAT SOME OF OUR, UH, ANALYSTS HAVE PUT TOGETHER AS GUARD AS IN, IN REGARD TO THE REGIONAL DEMAND AS THEY SEE IT.
UM, AND I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY INTERESTING SLIDE BECAUSE, UH, HERE, HERE YOU SEE THE REGIONAL DEMAND FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT, ALL THE DIFFERENT USES THAT ARE INCLUDED WITHIN RIVERPORT.
YOU'VE GOT GENERAL COMMERCIAL, FLEX SPACE HOTEL, UH, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN RV SPACES.
THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE RV SPACES.
IT'S A LITTLE HARDER TO QUANTIFY, BUT THE WAY THAT THAT REGIONAL DEMAND IS DEFINED IS, UH, ANYTHING, BASICALLY THE DEMAND FOR ANYTHING WITHIN A 50 MILE RADIUS OF EXIT THREE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE FROM WHAT THE, THE REGIONAL DEMAND IS, IS WHAT THE DEMAND FOR A 50 MILE RADIUS FROM EXIT THREE WOULD, WOULD BE LOOKING AT FOR THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE PROJECT.
SO A 25 YEAR PROJECT, UM, ONE YOU SEE 11, ALMOST 12 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL, 2.37 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF FLEX, 7,500 HOTEL ROOMS, 35,000 RES RESIDENTIAL UNITS, 14,500 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
AND OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT WE HAVE, UH, WE ARE JUST CALLING OUT WHAT OUR CURRENT PLAN SHOWS IS IN REGARD TO THE USES AT RIVERPORT.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, 355, UM, ONE COLUMN TO THE LEFT.
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WE, WE, WE LIT UP THE WRONG COLUMN.THIS IS RATHER TAKE A LOOK AT THIS 1.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL AS OPPOSED TO 11 EIGHT, UH, FOR THE REGIONAL DEMAND, 877,000 SQUARE FEET OF FLEX, 652 ROOMS OF HOTEL, 301 UNITS OF RESIDENTIAL SFR AND 1300 USE, UH, UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY.
SO ALL OF THOSE ARE IN LINE WITH ABOUT 10 TO 15% OF THE OVERALL REGIONAL DEMAND.
SO WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE TOO AGGRESSIVE IN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WITH THE PLAN OVER OVERALL, UM, TARGET FOR RIVERPORT BASED ON THIS PLAN.
SO MICHAEL, BEFORE YOU MOVE THIS PLAN, IS THAT FOR THE ENTIRE 5,000, UH, ACRES OR NO, SIR.
IS IT JUST FOR THE TIFF? JUST TIFF.
SO THIS IS JUST THE TIFF AREA, THE 1600 ACRES OF THE TIFF.
I LIKE THE FACT ESTIMATES ARE 2020 $2 AND TWO $19 A LONG TIME.
YEAH, IT'S, I'M SURE THOSE NUMBERS HAVE INCREASED.
SO YOU, YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME, SOME BIGGER PIECES OF THE, OF THE PROJECT HERE.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT JUST TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'RE REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL DEMAND THAT WE SEE THAT, THAT PROFESSIONALS SEE COMING FOR THIS PARTICULAR REGION.
UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS, COULD WE, COULD WE GO BACK NOT TO THE, I WANT TO JUST SHOW, I MEAN, MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE THAT, DO WE NOT? THAT'S THE TOP OF THE DOCK.
IF YOU COULD JUST PUT ME BACK ON EXIT THREE ON THIS, I THINK, AND MAYBE JUST ZOOM OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT.
ONE MORE WOULD BE GOOD AND YOU CAN GO BACK OUT.
SO I WANT TO JUST, I WANT JUST FAMILIAR FAMILIARIZE YOU WITH THE DIFFERENT PIECES OF THE TIF MID DISTRICT, JUST SO YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM.
AGAIN, EXIT THREE HERE IN OUR SPINE ROAD, UM, MAYBE DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
JOSH, IF YOU CAN, I'LL START AT THE TOP THE OTHER WAY.
SO THIS IS THE NORTHERNMOST PIECE OF THE TIF MID DISTRICT.
THE NOMENCLATURE'S A LITTLE OFF BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN USING, UM, SOME NUMBERS HERE FROM, FROM LONG AGO, BUT WE REFER TO THIS AS PARCEL ONE A.
THIS IS PARCEL FOUR, THIS IS PARCEL FIVE SIX DOWN A LITTLE BIT, JOHN.
SEVEN IS THIS LONG, SKINNY PIECE THAT RUNS ALONG PARKWAY SOUTH EIGHT AND THEN NINE AND 10.
SO ONE THING I THINK THAT'S PRETTY KEY TO UNDERSTANDING, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO WHAT THE MAYOR WAS SPEAKING ABOUT EARLIER, UM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE A, A BIG PIECE OF WHAT, OF HOW THIS ENTIRE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT GETS TAKEN DOWN.
AND SO WE ARE EXPECTING OUR LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT FOR RIVERPORT PARKWAY SOUTH IN FEBRUARY.
SO WE WILL HAVE BASICALLY FULLY PERMITTED, UH, RIVERPORT PARKWAY SOUTH IN THE NEXT, CALL IT 60 DAYS.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE EXIT THREE CONSTRUCTION STARTING SOMETIME SHORTLY THEREAFTER.
OUR GOAL IS TO GET STARTED ON PARKWAY SOUTH AS SOON AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
WHEN THAT PERMIT GETS IN PLACE, WHAT IT'LL DO IS, OBVIOUSLY AS THIS ROAD GETS BUILT UP TO EXIT THREE, IT WILL OPEN UP THESE PIECES OF THE TIF DISTRICT TO ENABLE US TO KIND OF GET A HEADSTART ON REPAYMENT OF, OF THE, OF THE LOAN SIMULTANEOUSLY.
OUR GOAL IS TO, IF YOU COULD GO DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT, JOSH, IS TO, IS TO FINISH COMPLETION OF THE CONNECTOR ROAD THAT YOU SEE HERE, WHICH IS PROSPER PARKWAY, I'M NOT SURE YOU CALL IT PROSPER PARKWAY.
COMPLETION OF PROSPER PARKWAY, UM, TO WHAT WILL END UP BEING RIVERPORT PARKWAY NORTH, WHICH WILL OPEN UP THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL, GETTING THAT ROAD IN PLACE.
SO THAT'S TWO, I THINK, IMPORTANT PIECES TO THE TECH, TO THE, TO THE SEQUENCE OF THE PROJECT.
NUMBER ONE IS PARKWAY SOUTH GETTING BUILT.
NUMBER TWO IS THE PROSPER PARKWAY EXTENSION TO RIVERPORT PARKWAY NORTH.
WHEN THOSE PIECES GET OPENED UP, THEN WE ESSENTIALLY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR EXIT THREE FOR THE COMPLETION OF PARKWAY NORTH TO HAPPEN FOR DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN.
SO WE GET A, WHAT WE FEEL LIKE IS A HEAD START ON THE, ON THE PROJECT.
MICHAEL, UH, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT TO COUNSEL PROSPER.
PROSPER PARKWAY IS WHAT THE EXTENSION MODE THAT WILL GO TO THE HARDY COMMERCE PARK, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
SO HARDY COMMERCE PARK WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR, TO EXIT
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FIVE, TO EXIT THREE.THAT TAKES AWAY SOME OF THE PRESSURE OFF OF EXIT FIVE, WHICH IS, AS WE ALL KNOW, IS, YOU KNOW, A DISASTER NOW.
SO THAT, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ROAD AS YOU, WE GET ALONG IN THE PROCESS.
VERY IMPORTANT, VERY IMPORTANT.
AND OBVIOUSLY UNTIL THREE GETS BUILT, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT IT AS, AS THIS WILL BE OPENED, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE EXIT FIVE CAN BE USED JUST FOR THAT SHORT PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL EXIT THREE'S ONLINE.
SO, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY DEVELOPMENT THAT OCCURS ALONG THE PARKWAY SOUTH CAN USE 17 UNTIL EXIT THREE IS BUILT AS WELL.
YOU WANNA GO DOWN TO THE THIRD PAGE? YEAH, I THINK I MAY, WELL, WE CAN START HERE WAITING FOR THIS TO CLEAR UP THERE.
IT GOES DOWN JUST A TOUCH IF YOU CAN.
SO AGAIN, PROSPER PARKWAY, UM, WE CALL THIS PARCEL FOUR A AGAIN, OR EXCUSE ME, PARCEL FOUR.
UH, PAY, PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE NOMENCLATURE, BUT, UM, WITH THE COMPLETION OF PROSPER PARKWAY, WE ENVISION DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING RIGHT HERE, UH, NEXT TO RIVERPORT PARKWAY NORTH.
BUT WE GET, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAKE A, WE CAN MAKE A HEADSTART ON THAT BECAUSE OF THE PROSPER PARKWAY COMPLETION.
WHAT WE SHOW HERE IS A MEDICAL OFFICE COMPLEX, AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE SOME HOMEWORK.
WE ARE ALREADY KIND OF IN SOME ACTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME, SOME LARGER, UH, HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL OFFICE GROUPS.
YOU KNOW, THEY ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE.
UM, JOSH, IF YOU CAN, I THINK THE CHART IS MAYBE, MAYBE JUST, HERE IT IS HERE.
OH, YOU'RE ON, YOU'VE GOT ME ON THE OVERALL THAT, THAT WAS, IF YOU CAN ZOOM OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT, JOSH.
THIS IS THE OVERALL SITE PLAN.
WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, SORRY.
THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, SO THERE WE ALL RIGHT, LET'S, THERE WE GO.
COMPLETION OF PROSPER PARKWAY.
UH, ACTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME MEDICAL OFFICE GROUPS THERE, WE SEE THAT AS KIND OF OUR MEDICAL CORE, UH, PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL WITH A, WITH A HEAVY FOCUS ON MEDICAL OFFICE IN THAT PARTICULAR PORTION.
RIVERPORT PARKWAY SOUTH, AND I'LL, I'LL GET TO MORE INDIVIDUAL SLIDES HERE, BUT, UM, A BIG PIECE OF THAT HERE IS A, IS A 600 UNIT RV PARK ALONG RIVERPORT PARKWAY SOUTH, AND THEN SIGNIFICANT COMMERCIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT MOVES ALONG PARKWAY SOUTH AS THAT ROAD GETS BUILT.
ALRIGHT, WHICH WAY DO YOU WANNA GO? UH, I, I'D LIKE TO GO DOWN IF I CAN TO, I KNOW YOU, I DON'T WANT YOU TO DRIVE, BUT I'LL SEE IF I SHOULD HAVE GOT HERE EARLIER.
I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK AT PARCEL FOUR AGAIN.
UM, HERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT A 90,000 SQUARE FOOT THREE STORY, UH, REHAB FACILITY, A 90,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, HOSPITAL, AND THEN ALL THE KIND OF ACCOMPANYING MEDICAL OFFICE USES THAT WOULD GO WITH THOSE PARTICULAR USES.
SO, UM, PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PART OF THE PROJECT.
I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A REAL CHANCE HERE.
SO, UM, IT WOULD BE A, I THINK, A GREAT KICKOFF TO THE PROJECT TO HAVE THIS GOING IN THE EARLIER STAGES OF THE PROJECT.
MICHAEL, THIS MAY BE GETTING A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS, BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MEDICAL CAMPUS, DO WE HAVE ANY DETAILS YET ABOUT, ARE WE TALKING EMERGENCY ROOM FACILITIES, URGENT CARE, PRIMARY CARE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OR JUST IT'S STILL TO BE DETERMINED.
UM, BUT I WOULD, YES, I WOULD ENVISION THAT POTENTIALLY BEING ON THE TABLE.
SO, SO AGAIN, PARCEL FOUR'S COMING EARLY, AND THEN I'M GONNA, THIS IS A SMALL PIECE HERE.
THIS IS PARCEL FIVE, WHICH IS JUST THIS PORTION, RIGHT? IT'S RIGHT HERE.
SO PARCEL FOUR AND PARCEL FIVE, BOTH COMING ONLINE EARLY.
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MY WAY DOWN TO MICHAEL WHILE YOU'RE FINDING IT.UM, ARE THE MEDICAL FACILITIES, UM, TAXABLE FACILITIES THAT CAN GO TOWARDS REPAYMENT OF THE LOAN? YES, YOUR HONOR.
WELL, YOU GOT PLACES LIKE MEMORIAL, THEY'RE STATE ENTITY, SO THEY'RE TAX EXEMPT.
MARSHALL 10, THIS IS THE RV PARK THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.
OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU'VE GOT PARKWAY SOUTH THAT'S MAKING ITS WAY UP HERE.
THIS IS THE FIRST PIECE THAT WE WOULD, UH, THAT WE WOULD HIT WITH THE, UM, BUILD OUT OF RIVERPORT PARKWAY SOUTH AFTER WE FINISHED THE 4 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF INDUSTRIAL AND RIVERPORT COMMERCE PARK.
SO AGAIN, ANOTHER KIND OF ACTIVE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING NOW WITH A POTENTIAL, UM, RV DEVELOPMENT THERE, 600 UNITS, UH, ON RIVERPORT PARKWAY SOUTH.
AND I'M GONNA SHOW YOU ALSO SIX, IF I CAN GET TO THAT AGAIN, COMPLETION OF PARKWAY SOUTH EXIT THREE.
AND THIS HERE IS SIGNIFICANT MULTIFAMILY AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
SO I THINK THE TIMELINE ON, ON WHAT YOU'D SEE HERE IS, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE CALL IT THREE YEARS, THREE AND A HALF YEARS OUT FROM EXIT THREE.
RIVERPORT PARKWAY SOUTH IS AN 18 MONTH BUILD STARTING IN THE SPRING.
UM, THESE DEVELOPMENTS HERE, MULTIFAMILY AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL, WE WOULD KIND OF ENVISION THOSE BEING BUILT UPON THE COMPLETION OF PARKWAY SOUTH TO WHERE THEY'D BE OPEN IN LINE WITH THE COMPLETION OF EXIT THREE IN THE OPENING OF THAT INTERCHANGE.
AND, AND SO THIS IS ALL KIND OF RIGHT UP ON THE, UH, NEW EXIT THREE INTERCHANGE.
AND THEN LASTLY WOULD BE THESE TWO PIECES HERE, WHICH IS WHAT WE CALL PARCEL SIX AND PARCEL EIGHT.
PARCEL SIX IS, UM, HEAVY ON MULTIFAMILY, ABOUT 1300 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY AND ABOUT A MILLION SQUARE FEET OF FLEX.
UM, THESE PIECES HERE, SIX AND EIGHT ARE THE LAST TWO PIECES WE FEEL LIKE OF, OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PARKWAY SOUTH BUILT, WE FEEL LIKE IT'S KEY TO HAVE EXIT THREE AND, AND THOSE, SO SIX IS GONNA COME ONLINE.
AND I'M GONNA SHOW YOU, UM, A CLOSEUP OF EIGHT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S, THERE'VE BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT EIGHT SOUTH EXIT THREE.
CURRENTLY WE SHOW, UH, THREE DIFFERENT HOTELS.
NOW, I, I WANNA BRING ONE THING TO YOUR ATTENTION.
UH, WE CURRENTLY SHOW TWO OUT OF THREE OF THOSE HOTELS AS WHAT WE CALL LARGE, UH, MONSTER TYPE HOTEL, 16 STORIES, 400 UNITS EACH.
WHEN WE WERE KIND OF DRAWING THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN UP, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALL HAD THE IDEA THAT, THAT THIS PIECE OF RIVERPORT, WHICH WE CALLED PARCEL EIGHT, WAS GOING TO BE THE LAST PIECE OF THE, OF THE PUZZLE.
AND WE'RE OBVIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT A 25 YEAR LOAN HERE.
SO I THINK WHAT I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY, AND, AND YOU'VE GOT A A MILLION SQUARE FOOT CONVENTION CENTER THAT'S A PART OF THE OVERALL PARCEL EIGHT BUILD OUT AS WELL.
WE, WE LOOK AT THIS KIND OF AS A, AS A SHOWING TO COUNCIL OF, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE HAVE GOTTEN ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE, ONCE RIVERPORT HAS BECOME A, A MORE MATURE PROJECT, OUR GOAL IS TO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY TO WORK HAND IN HAND WITH COUNCIL.
AND WE WANT TO REALLY KIND OF SHOOT FOR THE STARS HERE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, BONES ABOUT SAYING THAT THERE IS A MILLION SQUARE FOOT CONVENTION CENTER AND TWO
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400 KEY HOTELS THAT ARE, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE READY TO BREAK GROUND, GROUND HERE.BUT WE DID WANNA SHOW SOMETHING VERY ASPIRATIONAL ABOUT WHAT WE THINK THE PROJECT CAN DELIVER.
AND SO IN OUR MINDS, WHEN WE ARE RUNNING KIND OF THE REPAYMENT OF THE LOAN AND ALL THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE HAVE IN REGARD TO, UH, PAYING THE LOAN OFF, WE DON'T USE THESE HUGE NUMBERS THAT YOU SEE FOR THESE BIG PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT.
WE ARE SHOWING 600, AS I SHOWED YOU IN THAT FIRST SLIDE, 600 HOTEL KEYS ACROSS ALL OF RIVERWOOD.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE KIND OF HAVE THESE BIG PLACEHOLDERS DOWN ON THE, ON THE MASTER SITE PLAN, WE DON'T USE THOSE TO SHOW HOW WE INTEND TO REPAY THE LOAN OVER 25 YEARS.
WE SHOW MUCH MORE CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS.
THAT BEING SAID, WE DO FEEL LIKE THIS IS KIND OF A ONCE IN A LIFETIME PROJECT FOR HARDY BELT.
AND SO I THINK WE WANT TO JUST PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, GETS FOLKS THINKING IT'S ON THE TABLE.
AND, AND SO WHAT YOU COULD SEE IS OF COURSE, A 200 KEY HOTEL, 150 KEY HOTEL ON AN 80 KEY HOTEL, AND YOU COULD SEE EASILY A MILLION SQUARE FEET IN AN, IN AN OFFICE COMPLEX THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE DROPPED ON THAT SITE PLAN.
AND JUST AS EASILY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S A DEMAND FOR THAT.
AND, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD THINK THOSE ARE CRAZY USES FOR TODAY.
BUT AGAIN, WE WANNA GET FOLKS EXCITED.
AND SO THAT IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GONNA BE TALKING, UH, TO YOU ALL ABOUT AND WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH YOU OVER TIME TO REALLY FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET THE MOST OUT OF THE PROJECT AND SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THE CITY GETS VERY EXCITED ABOUT.
BUT AGAIN, NOT USED IN, IN, IN TERMS OF REPAYMENT OF THE OVERALL LOAN.
WELL, GREEN BIG, YOU'LL STAY SMALL
AND THAT CONVENTION CENTER WILL BE ABLE TO CONVERT TO AN NICE HOCKEY RINK
I WANT A DREAM PICKLE BOWL BECAUSE INDOOR SOCCER, PICKLE BALL, PICKLE PLANS PICKLE HOSPITAL FOR THAT.
ONE LAST PIECE THAT I DIDN'T SPEAK TO EARLIER, I DO WANT TO JUST ALSO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IS, IS THE LAST PIECE, UH, THE TIFF PLAN.
SO AGAIN, AS I SAID EARLIER, LEMME JUST GET THIS ZOOM IN HERE.
SO AGAIN, EXIT THREE, THIS PIECE HERE IS PARCEL ONE A.
SO AS, UH, WE WERE SPEAKING EARLIER, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN RIVERPORT, NORTH PARKWAY NORTH GETS BUILT EXIT THREES ONLINE, WE WOULD ENVISION, UH, GROCERY BIG BOX, YOU KNOW, SMALL SHOP RETAIL OBVIOUSLY COMING ONLINE TO SERVICE ALL THE ROOFTOPS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED OVER 25 YEARS IN, IN RIVERPORT NORTH.
SO KINDA THE LAST PIECE OF THE TIFF PUZZLE FOR US IS, IS THAT PIECE THERE NORTH OF THE CSX LINE THAT SERVICES ALL THE ROOFTOPS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED IN RIVERPORT NORTH WAKE.
UM, WHICH IS PROBABLY ONE OUR BIG CONCERN AS WE APPROVE THIS YEAR SIX.
WHAT'S GOING TO PAY THE LOAN DEBT? WHAT, WHAT OF ALL THESE PARCELS, IT'S GOING TO BE UP COLLECTING TAXES SO WE CAN REPAY THE LOAN IN YEAR SIX.
SO AGAIN, LET'S JUST KIND OF HIGH LEVEL TALK THROUGH THE TIMELINE.
RIVERPORT PARKWAY SOUTH STARTS CONSTRUCTION EARLY 20 25, 18 MONTH COMPLETION.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WORK, I THINK TO GET PROSPER PARKWAY BUILD OUT, BUT I THINK WE ALL FEEL LIKE 18 MONTHS FROM NOW, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL TO HAVE PROSPER PARKWAY IN PLACE AS WELL.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE AT THAT POINT IS YOU'VE GOT ALL ROAD WORK BUILT TO EXIT THREE, AND YOU'VE GOT PROSPER PARKWAY BUILT TO, UH, TO RIVERPORT PARKWAY NORTH THREE YEARS FROM NOW.
BUT MR. MAYOR, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE FEEL LIKE THIS PIECE IS ON THE TABLE.
I MEAN, THE REALITY IS, I MEAN, CALL THIS A, A MULTIFAMILY CALL.
THIS A 300, UH, UNIT MULTIFAMILY PROJECT THAT'S GONNA TAKE TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO BUILD A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT LIKE THAT.
SO THE IDEA I THINK IS THIS CONSTRUCTION CAN, CAN GET STARTED BEFORE PARKWAY SOUTH IS FINISHED.
THEY COULD BE BUILT SIMULTANEOUSLY, JUST LIKE YOUR BUCKY'S IS GONNA GET BUILT, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH EXIT EIGHT.
UM, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD BE BUILT ALONGSIDE THE
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PROSPER PARKWAY EXTENSION.AND THEN I THINK FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION OF ANY PIECE OF THIS PROJECT, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AT, AT EXIT THREE BEING OPEN IN THREE AND A HALF YEARS, YOU COULD REALISTICALLY BE TALKING TWO YEARS FROM NOW ABOUT STARTING DESIGN ENTITLEMENT AND CONSTRUCTION ON ANY VERTICAL PIECE OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE DELIVERED AFTER EXIT THREE IS OPEN.
SO I THINK THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION HERE IS WE WOULD SEE THIS PIECE, UH, CRANKING EARLY AND YOU KNOW, THE FIRST FIVE YEARS OF THE TIFF, WE WOULD SEE THIS PIECE CRANKING AND THIS CORE HERE ALONG PARKWAY SOUTH ALL WITHIN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS.
MAYOR, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YEAR SIX, RIGHT? AFTER THE, AFTER WELL, YEAR SIX BEING WHERE WE HAVE TO PAY INTEREST PLUS.
SO WE HAVE TO BE STARTING TO COLLECT TAXES, YOU KNOW, UH, NEEDS TO START BY YEAR SIX.
AM I, AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? ARE, IS THERE ANY, UH, MANUFACTURING COMPONENT IN THIS, IN THE PLANT? THE REASON I SAY THAT IS WITH THE MITSUBISHI PLANT BEING OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S JUST, JUST SEEMS LIKE IT.
THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR THAT WITH COMPONENTS.
IF YOU GO, COULD YOU GO DOWN TO 17 WHERE, UH, WHERE THE END OF RIGHT HERE.
SO, UM, HAS GOT SOMETHING, YOU SEE THERE'S 4 MILLION SQUARE FEET RIGHT THERE.
BUT ALSO THAT'LL PROBABLY BE, UH, LOGISTICS.
BUT OVER HERE, AND I MAY BE OFF, WHERE'S THE SOUTHERN CAROLINA ALLIANCE? RIGHT, RIGHT THERE.
SHERWOOD SHERWOOD, THAT PIECE, THAT'S THE PIECE THAT THE STATE OWNS.
AND IT'S BEING MARKETED BY THE SOUTHERN CAROLINA ALLIANCE.
THAT'S THE PIECE MORE, IF WE DO GET IT, OEM AND O, ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURER, WHICH WOULD BE LIGHT MANUFACTURING AND THAT THOSE KIND OF JOBS, IT WILL MOST LIKELY BE IN THAT PIECE THERE.
HARRY, HOW MANY YEARS HAS THAT BEEN? THE STATE'S BEEN TRYING MARKETING THAT WELL, THE STATE, THE STATE GAVE THE MONEY.
SEVERAL YEARS AGO, PROBABLY FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO AT LEAST.
AND SOUTHERN CAROLINA ALLIANCE IS STILL WELL WORKING ON IT.
THE GAME CHANGER IS THE FACT THAT THE MEGA PLANT HAS COME ONLINE SO QUICKLY, SO QUICK.
IF, IF THAT COULD, IF THAT COULD, COULD TURN INTO, UH, MANUFACTURING, I WOULD SEE THE HOUSING COMPONENTS AND THOSE COMING ONLINE A LOT FASTER.
WITHIN THE WHOLE, WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE YEAR SIX, YOU KNOW, HOW EVERYTHING WOULD FALL INTO PLACE.
AND, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE, UH, AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE JOSH AND I TRYING TO POKE THE BEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GET THAT SPOT WITH AN OI GOT A STICK.
SO WE, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UH, VOICING OUR, UM, CONCERN THAT WE GET THAT OH, WE, UM, FROM THE SC I THINK THE ROOFTOPS WILL NEED JOBS.
AND IF EVERYTHING CAN, CAN FIT INTO THAT WHOLE COMPLEX THAT'S BETWEEN 17 AND 95, IT'S A NATURAL.
WELL YOU GOTTA WORRY ABOUT WORKERS TOO.
WELL, THAT'S JUST, IF THE HOUSING WILL COME ONLINE WITH THOSE WORKERS, UH, 21 OVER IN, UH, UH, GEORGIA, UH, THERE'S WHAT, 800, 900 NEW APARTMENTS JUST MARKET GETTING, BEING MARKETED TO WORKERS FOR, UH, UH, THE MEGA PLANT.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S COMING ONLINE.
THOSE APARTMENTS WILL BE COMING ONLINE WHEN ABOUT JUST ABOUT THE SAME TIME THE PLANT IS UP TO FULL SPEED.
AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, IS ONE OF THE FIRST PIECES.
BECAUSE WE ARE GONNA NEED JOBS.
IF YOU DO THE MATH, ALL THESE WAREHOUSES ARE USUALLY SUBDIVIDED AND LET'S JUST SAY THEY'RE LIKE HOME DEPOT, 50,000 SQUARE FEET, 50,000 SQUARE FEET BETWEEN CLARIUS SALT, RIVERPORT, RIVERPORT, NORTH SIGNAL CAPITAL THAT'S 17 MILLION SQUARE FEET DIVIDED BY 50,000, THREE 44,000 JOBS, JUST WITH 12 PER 50,000 FOOT.
SO THERE'S JUST IN LOGISTICS, WITHOUT THE MANUFACTURING, YOU'RE TALKING POTENTIALLY ON BUILD OUT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, 15, 20 YEARS, 4,000 NEW JOBS JUST IN THOSE.
AND THEN YOU TAKE THE O THE OEM
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IF THAT'S IN THERE, YOU, IT COULD BE A THOUSAND JOBS IN A MANUFACTURING PLANT.SO THERE'S THOSE APARTMENTS AND, AND THE, UH, OTHER HOUSING COMPONENTS IN HERE I THINK ARE GOING TO HAVE REAL VALUE BECAUSE APARTMENT BUILDINGS OR BUILDERS ARE GOING TO SEE THAT THOSE, THOSE KIND OF JOBS WILL BE COMING.
AND, AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF, I MEAN, YOU COULD WALK TO WORK MM-HMM
AND ALL THOSE ROOFTOPS ARE GONNA NEED MEDICAL CARE.
WELL, IT'S ACCORDING TO WHAT IT IS, BUT YOU, BUT BECAUSE YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION, BUT IT COULD BE YEAH.
IT, IT COULD BE A BIG ATTRACTION EXACTLY.
TO THE OVERALL, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MOVING INTO THAT AREA AND YOU KNOW, HAVING, HAVING JOBS RIGHT THERE, HAVING THEIR MEDICAL CARE RIGHT THERE.
WHEN I'M OUT TALKING TO PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC, THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST FREQUENT THINGS THAT I HEAR.
WHAT ARE WE DOING TO SUPPORT ADDITIONAL MEDICAL SERVICES? YEAH.
BECAUSE IF I CALL IT MY PRIMARY CARE PROVIDER, THE EARLIEST I CAN GET IN IS SIX MONTHS.
AND, AND SO THERE'S A DEFINITE DEMAND FOR THAT, THAT IF WE CAN HELP SUPPORT THAT, THAT SHOULD BE A FOCUS.
THAT'S, I I LOVE THAT COMPONENT.
UH, THE POTENTIAL FOR, FOR THAT AREA.
HOW LONG DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE CONNECTION TO PROSPER PARKWAY? WELL, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
WE, WE'VE TALKED, I LET JOSH TAKE THAT ONE.
WELL, SO I LEARNED EARLIER THIS WEEK THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A GAP IN BETWEEN THE PORTIONS THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR AND THE PORTIONS THAT ARE WITHIN OUR COMMERCE PARK.
AND SO SITTING HERE TODAY, I DON'T HAVE A GREAT ANSWER FOR YOU ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT WE ARE GONNA GET UP TO SPEED AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BRIDGE THAT GAP TO ALLOW THAT CONNECTION TO HAPPEN.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S SITTING IN A LITTLE BIT OF A LIMBO AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.
I THINK THE CITY HAD LOOKED AT IT A WHILE BACK.
WELL, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S EASEMENTS.
WE HAVEN'T STARTED THE, UH, PERMITTING FOR THAT YET.
AND SOMEBODY NEEDS TO KIND OF TAKE THAT ON.
AND I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS PREVIOUSLY WITHIN THE LAST YEAR ABOUT THE CITY DOING THAT, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY KIND OF MOVED FORWARD.
AND SO WOULD IT BE REALISTICALLY TO SAY THEN AT THE COMPLETION OF EXIT THREE, THAT IT COULD BE, IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE THAT OPEN? WELL, IDEALLY WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IT OPEN WELL BEFORE EXIT THREE.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE A GREAT PLAN FOR IT SITTING HERE TODAY.
WELL, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE THE ROAD THERE, BUT UNTIL EXIT THREE'S OPEN, IT DOESN'T GO ANY PLACE.
THE ROAD WILL BE THERE FOR THAT PARCEL.
IT JUST WON'T CONNECT TO CARDVILLE COMMERCE PARK.
BUT THE ROAD UP TO WHERE THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR YES.
SO THE ROAD THAT ACCESSES THAT MEDICAL COMPLEX, UHHUH, THAT PART'S DONE WHAT JOSH IS TALKING ABOUT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
JOSH IS THE, IS THE LAST PIECE PIECE RIGHT HERE.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A GAP.
IT'S BUILT TO HERE AND, AND THIS PROPERTY OWNER HERE CAN ACCESS PRETTY MUCH ALL OF HIS PROPERTY BY THE ROAD BEING BUILT TO THERE.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE PICK UP HERE, SO YOU HAVE THIS LITTLE SMALL STRETCH HERE AND NO FAULT OF THAT.
PROPERTY OWNERS, NO FAULT ON THEM.
THEY'RE KINDA LIKE, WE CAN ALREADY ACCESS OUR PROPERTY AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT BUILT TO THERE SO WE CAN COMPLETE THAT.
AND THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOWS A WHOLE LOT BETTER TO, TO PROSPECTIVE USERS TO HAVE THAT EITHER UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR BUILT SO THEY KNOW THEY CAN ACCESS FIVE WHILE ALL THAT'S GOING ON.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MENTION ABOUT MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND A LOT OF THINGS BEEN MARKETED TO MULTIFAMILIES.
I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING MENTIONED ABOUT SCHOOLS IN THE AREA.
I MEAN, ARE THERE ANY PLANS FOR SCHOOLS TO BE BUILT IN THAT AREA? WE GOT A PIECE OF GROUND.
I MEAN WE, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OBVIOUSLY COMES UP WITH, RIGHT.
HAS OBLIGATIONS RELATES TO CONVEYING PROPERTY TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND RESERVING THE PROPERTY? YES MA'AM.
I GUESS THEY WOULD RE RESERVE A CERTAIN PIECE AND THEN WAIT FOR THE POPULATION.
IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR FIRST MAP, IT'S ON THERE, IT SHOWS, AND THEN YOU'D WAIT UNTIL THE POPULATION DEMANDED ENOUGH TO BUILD A SCHOOL.
THE TWO SCHOOL SITES ARE THERE.
AND, AND SCHOOLS SCHOOL, THERE'S ONE, THERE COULD BE ANY KIND OF SCHOOL.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE PART OF JAPER COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT.
COULD ANY KIND SCHOOL DO YOUR TAKE FROM THE TIFF DISTRICT? THE 1600 ACRES THAT MIKE WAS
ONLY 35% OF THE REVENUE THAT'S GENERATED FROM THAT IS GOING TO THE, IS BEING PLEDGED THE LOAN.
SO YOU'LL HAVE 65% OF THE REST OF THE REVENUE GOING TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO HELP SUPPORT
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BUILDING SCHOOLS AND FUNCTIONING SCHOOLS.IN ADDITION, THAT'S ONLY 1600 ACRES OF WHAT THE OVERALL 5,000 ACRES.
SO THE REST OF THE PROPERTY TAX WILL ALSO BE GOING TO THE SCHOOL TO HELP SUPPORT THE SCHOOL AS THIS, AS THE NEED INCREASES.
IF YOU, IF YOU RECALL YEARS AGO WHEN WE PASSED THIS, WHEN THE TIFF ZONE STARTS GENERATING TAXES, 35%, AS GEORGE SAID, GOES TO REPAYMENT AND LOAN, AND THEN IT GOES BY YOUR MILLAGE.
WELL, THE SCHOOLS HAVE THE HIGHEST MILLAGE OF THE THREE OF US.
SO OVER THE COURSE OF, WAS IT 15 YEARS? IF I REMEMBER THE NUMBER, THE ORIGINAL 15 YEAR LOAN, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL GENERATE, I THINK IT WAS $150 MILLION OF REVENUE.
SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PLENTY OF REVENUE TO DO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO.
NOW THAT'S THE JASPER COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT.
'CAUSE THEY, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SO AS THE POPULATION GROWS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE MONEY TO DO ADDITIONAL SCHOOLS.
IF, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, JOHN, ABOUT THE SCHOOLS, BECAUSE ALL APARTMENTS AND ALL THESE SINGLE FAMILY, THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE GONNA NEED, WE'RE GONNA NEED SOME KIND OF ADDITIONAL SCHOOLS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNSEL, BEFORE I, WE DO HAVE SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE, SO, UH, COUNSEL, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC? UH, I SEE WE HAVE SOME, SOME PUBLIC HERE.
UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS HERE? SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE? YEAH.
SO JOSH, THIS IS GONNA BE IN OUR AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK.
WE, WE WILL HAVE AT LEAST A COUPLE OF ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
THE REVISED, UH, INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT, THE FINANCING DOCUMENT, AND POTENTIALLY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS WELL.
SO, AND THEY'RE ALL RELATED TO THIS AND THEY ALL ARE JUST BEING UPDATED TO REFLECT THE NEW, NEW FIGURES AND THE REVISED IGA WE HAVE, WE HAVE FROM THE BANK.
SO THE BANK, WE HAVE THAT DOCUMENT, SO WE JUST HAVE TO APPROVE THAT.
'CAUSE ONCE THAT IGA GETS SIGNED, NOW WE, THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, IT CAN PROCEED.
AND, AND DOUG'S GONNA HAVE THAT PERMIT BY NEXT WEEK TOO.
YOU CAN CALL LIEUTENANT COLONEL WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE AND SEE HOW HE FEELS ABOUT IT.
THE COLONEL IS WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND UH, THAT'S WHERE THE PER FINAL PERMITTINGS COMING IN.
WE FULLY EXPECT IT MR. MAYOR IN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE WEEKS.
MICHAEL'S, UH, PRETTY GENEROUS.
IT COULD BE FIRST WEEK IN FEBRUARY, BUT I THINK WE KNOW THE TRACK WE'RE ON NOW AND EVERYTHING'S EVERYONE'S GOOD WITH THAT.
I'M SORRY, IS JEREMY WHITE'S GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT, I, YOU KNOW WHAT I WANT TO SAY, BUT YES, CHAIRMAN, WHITE CHAIRMAN, WHITE'S FINE WITH IT.
BUT I THINK MAYOR, IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY EFFECTIVELY FOR US, AS LONG AS WE UPDATE THE IGA, THE FINANCING DOCUMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN A TIMELY MANNER, THIS PROJECT REMAINS WITH DOT.
WE'LL GO OUT TO BID AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD AND WE WON'T RUN INTO ANY TIMING ISSUES.
JOSH, JOSH, JOSH? I HAVE ONE THING.
I'D SAY WE HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THE COUNTY HAS PASSED THE IGA AND LOAN AGREEMENTS AS WELL.
SO THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY ADOPTED WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THIS AS WELL.
WE HAVE TWO COUNTY COUNCILMEN SITTING BACK THERE.
UH, SO, UH, JOANIE, SOMETHING BEYOND YOU.
AND THANK YOU ALL FOR DRIVING DOWN TO, TO THE LOW COUNTRY.
YOU GOT AGAIN, DOUG'S FROM UPSTATE, SO HE OH BOY.
I WISH I COULD STAY HERE, FRANKLY.
SO OUR THOUGHT HAD BEEN TO TAKE ABOUT A 10 15 MINUTE COMFORT BREAK, AND THEN WE WILL START PREPARING THE MATERIALS FOR THE SOUTH POINT DISCUSSION.
GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW.UM, A NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO, UH, CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO APPROVE ON FIRST READING THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND ACTUALLY, WHILE I'M TALKING, IF Y'ALL COULD GO AHEAD AND GET THAT, UH, GET THAT PULLED UP FOR US.
UM, AND SO WHEN IT CAME TO SECOND READING, CITY COUNCIL HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS, THINGS THAT THEY'D ASKED FOR MORE INFORMATION ON.
AND SO REALLY SINCE, UH, I CAME ON BOARD IN NOVEMBER, WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH OBTAINING, UH, INFORMATION FROM COUNCIL ON THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN THAT THAT WAS BRINGING BROUGHT FORWARD.
AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS BEEN PROVIDING RESPONSES TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
AND SO AT YOUR MEETING IN DECEMBER, YOU VOTED TO MOVE CONSIDERATION OF SECOND READING TO THE JANUARY 16TH MEETING.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE COMING FORWARD TO YOU NEXT WEEK AND ASK THAT THERE BE A WORKSHOP HELD BEFORE THAT TO TRY AND FINALIZE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS AND GETTING THOSE RESPONSES.
AND SO THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF TODAY'S SESSION, UM, IS TO REALLY KIND OF LET THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT TEAM COME AND HELP WALK THROUGH ADDRESSING THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT YOU'VE RAISED TO THIS POINT.
SO WITH THAT INFORMATION, I'LL TURN IT OVER AND, AND KEVIN OR BRIAN, I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE OF YOU WANT TO WALK THROUGH IT, BUT THE FLOOR WILL BE YOURS.
IF YOU WANNA COME UP HERE AND WE'LL GIVE YOU, UH, THE, THE CLICKER AND THE MOUSE.
THAT WAY YOU CAN DRIVE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION MATERIALS OR, YEAH.
OR YOU CAN STAND OVER THERE AT THE, UH, PODIUM.
WHATEVER'S MORE COMFORTABLE FOR YOU.
FOUR, UH, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.
UH, I, WE DO HAVE ALL OF OUR, UH, WELL, WHEN I SAY MOST OF OUR TEAM HERE TODAY, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH MOST OF THESE QUESTIONS WITH YOU.
UM, I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THE, WE WERE PREPARED TO A YEAR AGO TO SUBMIT THIS, AND SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE, UM, WE'RE MAKING SOME, SOME MORE PROGRESS, BUT WE DID, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH EACH AND EVERY QUESTION VERY METHODICALLY.
AND, UM, JOSH HAS BEEN A, A BIG HELP.
UH, HE'S BEEN A QUICK STUDY ON OUR PROJECT AND WE'VE APPRECIATED HIS TIME OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, GETTING UP TO SPEED.
UM, SO IN PART, I THINK, UM, I THINK WE'RE, UH, CERTAINLY AT A, AT A, AT A PLACE WHERE WE CAN GO THROUGH EVERY, EACH AND EVERY DETAIL ON ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS TODAY, IF YOU'D LIKE.
WE HAVE AS MUCH TIME AS YOU NEED.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION AGAIN, I THINK YOU'VE HEARD PROBABLY ENOUGH OF ME OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS ON THIS PROJECT, BUT, UM, IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO START, WE WILL JUST TAKE 'EM ONE BY ONE.
COUNSEL, UH, QUESTION THE QUESTION WE GAVE.
I WAS GONNA SAY, IF WE COULD, I THINK, KEVIN, YOU'VE GOT A SERIES OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU RECEIVED FROM COUNSEL.
UM, IF YOU COULD HELP GO THROUGH THOSE THAT WAY IN CASE COUNSEL DOESN'T REMEMBER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY ASK, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE COVER EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, ARE THERE ANY MORE IMPORTANT THAN OTHERS, JOSH, OR YOU REALLY WANT US TO GO THROUGH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF 'EM? I WOULD JUST START AT THE TOP AND WE'LL KIND OF WORK, WORK THROUGH IT.
YOU WANNA TAKE, YOU WANNA TAKE ENVIRONMENTAL FIRST, JOSH? SURE.
SO KEVIN, I'LL LET YOU TAKE THE, TAKE IT AWAY ON THAT ONE AGAIN.
UH, WE'VE, UH, YEAH, WE'VE GOT THESE DIVIDED INTO ENVIRONMENTAL QUESTIONS, TRAFFIC, AND THEN SOME, SOME BASIC, UH, OTHER QUESTIONS.
SO WE HAVE OUR CONSULTANTS WITH US, WE HAVE OUR WETLAND CONSULTANT.
AND THE FIRST QUESTION, UM, WAS DEALING WITH A WETLAND IMPACT.
UM, THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON WHERE THIS WETLAND IMPACT IS LOCATED, AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
UM, WHERE IT IS, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE.
IT'S A, IT'S A NATIONWIDE PERMIT THAT WAS RECEIVED A FEW YEARS AGO, AND IT'S FOR THIS JOHN SMITH ROAD CROSSING RIGHT HERE.
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POINT, UH, A QUARTER ACRE OF IMPACTS THERE.AND WE RECEIVED THE PERMIT FROM, FROM THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
UH, THE PERMIT EXPIRES IN MARCH, UH, 14TH, I BELIEVE, OF 2026.
UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE TIMELINE.
UM, FOR THAT THERE WAS A EXPIRATION FOR CLEARING TO BE DONE BY A CERTAIN DATE, WHICH WE MET WAS EARLIER THIS YEAR IN APRIL.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT CLEARING ET HAS TAKEN PLACE.
WE HAD A PERMIT WITH THE CITY.
UM, AND SO WE ARE ACTIVE ON THAT PERMIT.
AND WHEN YOU BEGIN YOUR, UM, YOUR, YOUR WORK, UM, YOU, YOU TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE ARMY CORPS GIVES YOU AN EXTRA, UH, YEAR TO FINISH THE WORK, UM, ASSUMING YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN COMPLIANCE, ET CETERA.
SO AGAIN, THAT, THAT DEADLINE THAT I THINK EVERYBODY WAS, WAS LOOKING AT WAS WAS CONNECTED TO THE NATIONWIDE PERMIT, NOT THE GREATER PERMIT.
UM, AND, AND THE, THE DEADLINE SHOULD BE MARCH OF 2027, WHICH GIVE US PLENTY OF TIME TO COMPLETE THAT ROAD WORK.
YOU SEE THESE DASH LINE THAT USED TO BE A ROCK LOGGING ROAD THAT WOULD CROSS THAT WETLAND AND, UM, AND ENTERED THE, UH, THE AR ARGENT OR THE SOUTH POINT WEST TRACK.
THAT WAS QUESTIONS ONE AND TWO.
UM, THEN YOU GOT INTO SOME FLOOD, UH HA, SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREAS.
UM, THESE WETLAND CROSSINGS, THESE LARGE WETLANDS ARE IN A FLOODPLAIN AND THESE RIGHT HERE.
AND SO THEY ARE, UM, REQUIRED TO GET, UM, A PERMIT, YOU KNOW, A SPECIAL PERMIT THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED.
HOWEVER, THAT PERMIT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE, UH, UNDERTAKEN.
YOU KNOW, THE NEXT STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN THE ROADWAYS ARE DESIGNED, OUR ENGINEER WILL THEN GET WITH THE CITY'S CERTIFIED FLOODPLAIN MANAGER AND THEY WOULD WORK WITH FEMA ON GETTING THE APPROPRIATE PERMITS.
AND, UM, THAT ARE, THAT ARE KIND OF MENTIONED IN, IN YOUR QUESTIONS THERE, KEVIN, WOULD IT BE ACCURATE TO SAY THAT IT'S THE ADOPTION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN THAT THEN FORMS THE BASIS FOR YOUR ADDITIONAL PERMITS THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THE, UM, AND, AND JUST CURIOUS, UH, WHO, WHO IS THE CITY'S, UH, CERTIFIED FLOODPLAIN MANAGER IS CHRIS GATES? THERE WE GO.
WELL, CHRIS WILL WORK WITH OUR ENGINEERING FIRM, YOU KNOW, WITH WARD EDWARDS, AND WARD EDWARDS WILL PROVIDE THEM WITH ALL THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTATION, YOU KNOW, THE FLOOD STUDY, ET CETERA.
AND THEN CHRIS IS GOING TO WORK OBVIOUSLY WITH, UH, FEMA AND, AND THEN THERE'LL BE SOME BACK AND FORTH, AND THAT'S HOW THE PROCESS GOES.
BUT JOSH'S POINT THAT HAPPENS IN THAT NEXT LEVEL AFTER WE GET OVERALL INFRASTRUCTURE IMP APPROVAL, SO THAT'S QUESTIONS THREE AND FOUR THAT YOU HAD.
AND THEN NOW WE START DIVING INTO SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL ONES THAT I THINK BRETT, SHE WOULD, WOULD, UH, BE ABLE TO ANSWER.
CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION FOR, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, WELL WELLS PERMIT AND WHEN IT EXPIRES, DID, WHEN YOU SAID THAT YOU STARTED, ONCE YOU START CLEARING, THEN THAT MEANS IT'S ACTIVATED AND THEY'LL EXTEND IT.
BUT YOU HAVE TO DO CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CLEARING OR SOMETHING FOR THEM TO YEAH, THAT KIND OF ACTIVATES THE PERMIT AND THAT, THAT CONSTITUTES THAT.
AND, AND IT HAD TO BE DONE IN, IN OUR INSTANCE, UH, EARLY BECAUSE OF THE, SOME OF THE THINGS BRETT'S GONNA GO INTO WITH THE BATS, YOU KNOW, AND THE TIMELINE.
AND SO THAT KIND OF ACTIVATED THE PERMIT.
BUT WE'RE, AGAIN, WE'RE PROCEEDING, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS, UH, QUICKLY ON, ON THAT ROADWAY, BRETT, AGAIN, THE LANGUAGE AT THE END OF THE PERMIT, EVERY NATIONWIDE PERMIT HAS THE SAME LANGUAGE.
UM, IF YOU COMMENCE OR UNDER CONTRACT TO COMMENCE THIS ACTIVITY BEFORE THE NATIONWIDE PERMIT PROGRAM EXPIRES OR MODIFIED, SUSPENDED OR REVOKED BY THE CHIEF OF ENGINEERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, THE LAWS, UH, COULD HE, YOU'LL HAVE 12 MONTHS AFTER WE COME TO, AT THE PODIUM, BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT FOR THE RECORDS.
AND I'M JUST, UH, I'M JUST QUOTING THE, UH, A PORTION OF THE NATIONWIDE PERMIT, UH, IF YOU COMMENCE OR UNDER CONTRACT TO COMMENCE THIS ACTIVITY BEFORE THE NATIONWIDE PERMIT EXPIRES, OR THE NATIONWIDE PERMIT IS MODIFIED, SUSPENDED, OR REVOKED BY THE CHIEF OF ENGINEERS OR DIVISION ENGINEER IN ACCORDANCE WITH 33 CFR THREE, 30.5 B, OR C, IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE ACTIVITY WOULD NO LONGER COMPLY WITH THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF NATIONWIDE PERMIT.
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THE DATE OF THE NATIONWIDE PERMIT EXPIRES, OR IS MODIFIED, SUSPENDED OR REVOKED, LEAD THE ACTIVITY UNDER THE PRESENT TERMS AND CONDITIONS.THEY HAVE A 12 MONTH GRACE PERIOD, IF YOU'RE ALREADY WORKING ON IT, WHICH CLEARING THE TREES CONSTITUTES STARTING A, STARTING ON IT.
UM, THEN THEY ALLOW YOU TO FINISH YOUR PROJECT AS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED RATHER THAN SEEKING MORE, SEEKING APPROVAL AGAIN FOR THE SAME EXACT THING.
SO QUESTION FIVE THAT YOU POSE TO US, UH, REGARDING BATS AND THREATENED ENDANGERED SPECIES AND THE, THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE TO, TO THIS POINT, UM, THREE SPECIES OF BATS HAVE BEEN LISTED AMONGST OTHER ENDANGERED SPECIES TO INCLUDE THE LONG-EARED BAT AND THE RECENTLY PROPOSED TRICOLORED BAT.
UM, THERE'S TWO SPECIES OF BATS, ACCORDING TO FISH AND WILDLIFE, THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO EXIST ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE NORTHERN LONG-EARED BAT, WHICH THE PROCESS FOR DEALING WITH THEM WAS NOT REALLY FINALIZED WITH FISH AND WILDLIFE, UH, UNTIL EARLIER THIS FALL A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, UM, THAT SPECIES WAS UP LISTED FROM THREATENED TO ENDANGERED.
AND CROSSING THAT THRESHOLD FROM THREATENED TO ENDANGERED, UH, REQUIRES MORE IN DEPTH INVESTIGATION INTO WHETHER YOUR PROJECT HAS ANY IMPACT ON THAT SPECIES.
UM, THE OTHER BAT WOULD BE THE TRICOLORED BAT.
AND THE TRICOLORED BAT IS, UH, PROPOSED ENDANGERED.
AND SO BECAUSE IT'S PROPOSED, UH, THERE IS NO HEIGHTENED, UM, REGULATIONS REGARDING INVESTIGATION INTO IT, IT'S STILL CONSIDERED AND IN OUR COORDINATION WITH FISH AND WILDLIFE, UM, THE, THE IMPACTS ON THAT SPECIES WILL BE CONSIDERED, AND MITIGATION MEASURES WILL BE PUT IN PLACE IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE DETERMINED TO BE PRESENT, UM, THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, MITIGATE IMPACTS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO THE SPECIES.
BUT, UH, REALLY THE NORTHERN LONG-EARED BAT IS THE, IS THE ONE THAT THAT FISH AND WILDLIFE IS GONNA FOCUS ON IN THIS, UM, TO THAT POINT.
SO I JUST WANNA GIVE Y'ALL SOME CONFIDENCE, UH, AS FAR AS WHAT'S REQUIRED UNDER THE ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT SPECIES ACT, WHEN YOU SEEK A FEDERAL PERMIT, LIKE WE'RE SEEKING, SO WHEN YOU APPLY TO THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS FOR A SECTION 4 0 4 OF THE CLEAN WATER ACT PERMIT, RIGHT, WHETHER IT'S A NATIONWIDE PERMIT OR AN INDIVIDUAL PERMIT, ENDANGERED SPECIES NEED TO BE CONSIDERED, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT TO SAY YOU'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE TO THE ESA, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT OBTAINING A FEDERAL PERMIT.
HOWEVER, IF YOU ARE OBTAINING A FEDERAL PERMIT, THERE'S A, A REGIMENTED SERIES OF STEPS AND COORDINATION WITH AGENCIES THAT YOU NEED TO GO TO.
SO, IN PREPARATION FOR SEEKING THIS PERMIT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO OBTAIN, UM, WE CONDUCT KIND OF A CURSORY HABITAT ASSESSMENT, UH, OF WHAT WE CALL A PEDESTRIAN SURVEY.
BASICALLY, WE SURVEY THE SITE, LOOK FOR SPECIFIC HABITATS.
'CAUSE GENERALLY, AND THAT'S OUR SORT OF AN EXCEPTION TO THIS, BUT MOST THREATENED ENDANGERED SPECIES, THEY'RE AT RISK, THEY'RE IN PERIL BECAUSE THEY HAVE, UH, A VERY SPECIFIC HABITAT.
AND THAT'S KINDA THE LIMITING RESOURCE.
BATS ARE INTERESTING BECAUSE THE WAY FISH AND WILDLIFE DEFINES BAT HABITAT IS, UM, A SINGLE TREE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF A CONTIGUOUS 10 ACRE FOREST, REALLY? SO WE CAN'T LIVE IN THE, THE PLACE IN THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE BEING A BLOCK OF 10 ACRES OF TREES SOMEWHERE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET.
UM, SO BACK TO OUR, OUR PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATIONS AND WHAT WE PREPARE TO SUBMIT TO THE CORE, ALONG WITH OUR PERMIT APPLICATION, WE DO AN EXHAUSTIVE PEDESTRIAN SURVEY.
WE DOCUMENT ALL THE HABITAT TYPES.
UM, WE PRODUCE A THREATEN AND ENDANGERED SPECIES SURVEY REPORT, UM, THAT IS, UH, SECTION SEVEN IN OUR INDIVIDUAL PERMIT.
I'M ASSUMING Y'ALL HAVE A, HAVE BEEN PROVIDED COPY AT SOME POINT, A COPY OF THE PERMIT.
WE HAVE A HARD COPY OF IT, YES.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT A HARD COPY OF THAT IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH IT.
WHAT THAT DOES IS TAKES OUR SURVEY THAT WE WENT THROUGH AND, AND DID ON THE PROPERTY, THEN USES A NUMBER OF COORDINATION AND CONSULTATION RESOURCES, PRIMARILY BEING, UM, FISH AND WILDLIFE'S INFORMATION FOR PLANNING AND CONSULTATION TOOL.
YOU ENTER, UH, A SHAPE FILE FOR YOUR PROJECT AREA INTO THEIR TOOL.
IT SPITS OUT ALL THE SPECIES THAT ARE REGULATED UNDER THE ESA THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO EXIST ON YOUR SITE.
YOU THEN GO DOWN THROUGH EACH ONE OF
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THOSE SPECIES, ASSESS THE TYPES OF HABITAT THEY USE, UH, AND MAKE AN EDUCATED GUESS A, A JUDGMENT CALL BASED ON, YOU KNOW, YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DOING THIS AND A, A DEEP UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE SPECIES NEEDS TO THRIVE.UM, AND YOU MAKE AN ASSESSMENT, UH, AN EFFECTS DETERMINATION, EXCUSE ME.
SO YOU GO THROUGH EACH SPECIES, YOU MAKE AN EFFECTS DETERMINATION.
THAT'S BASICALLY YOUR ASSESSMENT OF WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD HAVE, UH, ANY NUMBER OF A, A SERIES OF TERMS THAT THEY USE.
BUT MOST GENERALLY, IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE NOT IMPACTING A SPECIES DIRECTLY, IF THERE'S NO INTENTIONAL TAKE, IT BE, MAY AFFECT, NOT LIKELY TO ADVERSELY AFFECT AS THE LANGUAGE THAT'S USED.
THE NEXT STEP IN ALL OF THAT IS WE COORDINATE THROUGH, UM, SOUTH CAROLINA DNRS ONLINE CONSULTATION PROGRAM.
YOU DO THE SAME THING, SEND THEM THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE ON YOUR PROJECT, WHAT YOU INTEND TO DO, UH, AND THEY REVIEW YOUR INFORMATION, PRODUCE A CONSULTATION SHEET, UM, SEND YOU A LETTER BACK THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE SUBMITTED, UM, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK OF THE PROJECT.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER TOOLS, UH, THAT ARE REFERENCED.
NOAH HAS THE TOOL, WE'RE CLEARLY NOT NEAR, WE DON'T HAVE ANY BODY OF WATER ON THE SITE THAT WOULD HAVE NO REGULATED FISHERIES ON IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST STEP IS, AND THIS GOES BACK TO FISH AND WILDLIFE, AGAIN, FOR THE SPECIES THAT YOU HAVE, THAT THERE'S HABITAT ON SITE, THEY HAVE, UH, WHAT'S CALLED THE DETERMINATION KEY.
AND IT'S MORE PROJECT SPECIFIC.
YOU KNOW, YOU ENTER ACREAGES OF CLEARING, YOU ENTER WETLAND IMPACTS, UM, DEPENDING ON THE SPECIES.
THERE'S DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, BUT IT GETS MORE INTO THE WEEDS ABOUT, ABOUT DOES THIS PROJECT TRULY HAVE AN, UH, THE POTENTIAL TO AFFECT THE SPECIES.
SO YOU FILL OUT THE DETERMINATION KEYS FOR THE NORTHERN, NORTHERN LONG-EARED BAT AT THIS POINT, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, UH, WHEN THE FINAL GUIDANCE WASN'T RELEASED AND THE SURVEY PROTOCOL WASN'T FINALIZED, UM, THE DETERMINATION KEY RESULTED IN IT MAY EFFECT NOT LIKELY TO ADVERSELY AFFECT FOR US.
UM, SO THAT'S ALL OF THE PRELIMINARY.
IF I COULD TRY TO MAKE A, A SOMEWHAT GENERALIZED, BECAUSE THAT WAS A VERY TECHNICAL YES, I KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW ANOTHER WAY TO TALK ABOUT IT.
SOMETIMES IF I CAN TRY TO MAKE A GENERALIZED STATEMENT FOR THE BENEFIT OF COUNSEL AND THE PUBLIC, YOUR REQUIREMENTS TO COMPLY WITH THE ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT ARE INCLUDED WITHIN YOUR 4 0 4 PERMIT.
AND IF YOU HAVE NOT APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSED EITHER THE IDENTIFICATION OR THE MITIGATION OF ANY IMPACTS, YES.
YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE YOUR PERMIT.
AND THE AGENCIES, SOUTH CAROLINA, DNR DIGEST, SOUTH CAROLINA, DNR, US, FISH AND WILDLIFE, AND THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS WILL HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE IF WE HAVEN'T SUFFICIENTLY COVERED OUR RESPONSIBILITIES.
UH, SECTION SEVEN CONSULTATION IS WHAT THAT'S CALLED.
UM, BUT MOVING FORWARD, WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT IN THE PROJECT, UM, OUR PERMIT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND WE'VE INITIATED COORDINATION WITH FISH AND WILDLIFE SINCE WE SUBMITTED THE PERMIT.
UM, THE SURVEY PROTOCOL HAS BEEN FINALIZED.
THEY'VE ISSUED THAT AS A, AS A GUIDELINE FOR US TO USE.
UM, AND BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN FINALIZED, THAT ALLOWS US TO TAKE THE, THE NEXT MORE IN DEPTH STEP.
RIGHT? SO IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH FISH AND WILDLIFE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS AN ACOUSTIC SURVEY, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT BASICALLY REMOTE MICROPHONES.
THEY LOOK LIKE A DEER TRAIL CAMERA.
YOU, YOU PUT AN ULTRASONIC MICROPHONE IN FRONT OF IT, AN SD CARD IN IT, AND EIGHT LITHIUM BATTERIES.
YOU RECORD AT SPECIFIC LOCATIONS ON THE SITE THAT ARE DETERMINED TO BE GOOD HABITAT.
UM, IF YOU PICK UP BAT CALLS, WELL, REGARDLESS IF YOU PICK UP BAT CALLS OR NOT, YOU TAKE THE AUDIO DATA, YOU RUN IT THROUGH A PROGRAM THAT IDENTIFIES BATS TO SPECIES.
UM, PICTURES OF BIGFOOT, I
SO, SO THE NEXT STEP, THE, THE IN-DEPTH INVESTIGATION IS GONNA INCLUDE THINGS LIKE THAT, THE RESULT OF THAT, UH, PRESENCE OR ABSENCE SURVEY, THEY CALL IT.
IF WE DETERMINE THAT THERE'S BATS ON THE SITE, THEN FISH AND WILDLIFE, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE FIND, WE MAY GO MORE IN DEPTH.
UM, OR IT MAY JUST, IT MAY JUST BE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ACCEPT THAT IT, THESE CERTAIN HABITATS ON THE SITE BATS EXIST THERE.
UH, AND THEY'LL GIVE US, YOU KNOW, X, Y, AND Z.
HERE ARE YOUR, HERE ARE MITIGATION
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MEASURES WE'D LIKE TO SEE YOU IMPLEMENT IN ORDER TO NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE SPECIES.UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ROADS CROSSING OVER WETLANDS.
WE HAVE THE ONE AT 17 B AND 16 OR 15, WHATEVER THAT IS.
AND THEN UP BY PARCEL SEVEN, DO ANY OF THOSE CROSSINGS HAVE THE 4 0 4 PERMIT YET? JUST THE CROSSING THAT KEVIN ALREADY TALKED ABOUT AT 17 A 17 A, THE REST OF THE WETLAND IMPACTS FOR THE ENTIRE, NO, THESE DO NOT.
AND THIS, UH, THE DOCUMENT WE SAW THAT HAD, UH, THE MARCH 14TH, 26TH DEADLINE IS THE PARCEL A, UH, RIGHT THERE BETWEEN 17 A AND 17 B.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE PERMITTING OR PERMIT SUBMITTED.
UH, OF ALL THE ROADS THAT PASS WETLANDS, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE AT THIS TIME.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S APPROVED RIGHT NOW.
THE REST, THE REST OF THEM ARE SUBMITTED, HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, UH, SINCE JUNE.
SO HOW FAR INTO THE PROCESS SINCE JUNE? JUNE WAS QUITE AS WAYS BACK.
I MEAN, SIX, TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY A 12 TO 18 MONTH PROCESS FOR AN INDIVIDUAL PERMIT.
AND THAT, DO YOU RECEIVE UPDATES OF WHERE IT'S AT IN THE PROCESS AS IT'S GOING ON? WE DO.
THERE'S CONSTANT COMMUNICATION BETWEEN, LIKE I SAID, THAT ALL THIS, ALL THIS COMMUNICATION I'M TALKING ABOUT WITH FISH AND WILDLIFE IS PART OF THAT PROCESS.
SO THE QUESTION I HAD ABOUT THAT, UM, AND I WAS GOING THROUGH YOUR PCN HERE, AND IT TALKS ABOUT A, UM, THE WORK INCLUDES FILLING A, FILLING 0.252 ACRES OF JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE EXISTING ROAD TO ACHIEVE THE NECESSARY ROAD WIDTH.
SO IS THAT THE ONE THAT'S CROSSING THAT MM-HMM.
THE WETLAND THING? SO I SEE THE DROP, DROP, DROP DROP KIND OF ROAD.
NOW, I, I DON'T IS THAT THE 0.2, 2 5 2 5 2 ACRES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES.
THAT ROAD THAT'S GONNA BE CROSSING ALL OF THAT? YEAH.
CURRENTLY THERE'S A, A LOGGING ROAD.
UH, IT, A BARELY ABOVE GRADE LOGGING ROAD.
UM, THAT WAS DETERMINED TO BE UPLAND, NOT WETLAND.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, A COUPLE OF SMALL PIPES THAT GO UNDERNEATH IT.
NOW, IS THAT THE ONE THAT YOU'RE CALLING ROAD A NO.
SO MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU PLAN ON GOING FORWARD, ASSUMING YOU GET APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT, IS THAT ROAD A GOING TO BE USED AS A CONSTRUCTION ROAD THAT WILL BE DROPPING TRAFFIC ONTO JOHN SMITH? I'M SORRY.
IT GOES RIGHT INTO JOHN USE OF THAT LOGGING ROAD OR USE OF THE, THE PERMITTED CROSSING IS A CONSTRUCTION ACCESS.
WHICH IS THE LOGGING, BECAUSE THERE'S, ON THE OTHER ONE, THERE WERE TWO LITTLE, THERE'S A LITTLE LOGGING ROAD THAT COMES OUT ON JOHN SMITH RIGHT BEFORE PINE ARBOR.
THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT.
THAT'S, BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S THE LOGGING, THAT'S NOT THE ROAD.
IT'S NOT THE ROAD WHERE HIS POINTER IS.
THERE'S A LITTLE LOGGING ROAD.
THE ONE THAT HAS ALL THE COLORED STUFF ON IT.
THE ONE YOU JUST, YOU JUST LEFT.
SO DOWN HERE, SEE THE DOTTED LINE? YEAH.
THERE'S SOMEWHERE OVER IN HERE.
NO, THIS IS, THIS IS PINE ARBOR.
IS THAT THE ROAD YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THAT'S THE, WOULD BE THE CONSTRUCTION.
SO IS THAT THE ONE THAT'S CALLED ROAD TWO A? IN, IN ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE MAPS THAT I LOOKED AT, IT'S, THAT'S ROAD A THAT'S GOING TO BE, OKAY.
SO, AND YOU GUYS HAVE PLANS TO USE THAT AS A CONSTRUCTION ROOM GOING FORWARD, OR THE CONSTRUCTION PART OF IT.
AND WE HAVE AN EXHIBIT FOR THAT.
WHEN WE GET INTO THAT PORTION IS GONNA BE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE HERE, IT'S GONNA BE HERE.
AND IT'LL, IT'LL KIND OF, YOU KNOW, RECONNECT THAT, THAT WAS THE WHOLE REASON IS WE NEEDED TO ALIGN WITH PINE A ROAD AND ABANDON THE OLD ACCESS LOCATION JUST BECAUSE OF PROXIMITY AND SAFETY.
HOW FAR DOWN THE LINE ARE YOU ANTICIPATING BUILDING IN, UH, 17 A AND B? UH, MR. ME, WHEN YOU SAID, UH, WHAT, WHEN IS THAT GONNA HAPPEN? IS YEAH, UH, I MEAN, WHAT IS YOUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN FROM START? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY THROUGH THE,
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UH, THE PROCESS? YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF PARCELS ON THERE.YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT GONNA START 'EM ALL AT ONCE.
YOU KNOW, THE WAY IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, UH, PARCEL 13 WOULD PROBABLY BE THE FIRST PARCEL DEVELOPED.
UM, AND MOVING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, IF YOU WILL.
AND, AND UTILIZING, IF YOU NOTICE, UM, WHAT, AND WE WANT, WE'RE HERE TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION SAFETY, UH, TRAFFIC PLAN AS WELL TONIGHT OR TODAY, BUT UTILIZE SOME OF THE, UM, UM, EASEMENT THAT WE HAVE THERE ON THE SOUTHERN TIP OF OUR PROPERTY.
AND ALSO UTILIZING THAT NEW PINE ARBOR ROAD THAT I, THAT IS BEING MOVED FROM THE OLD TIMBER ROAD OVER TO LINE WITH PINE ARBOR.
UM, AND THEN I THOUGHT, WELL, AND I, I DON'T WANNA GO BACK BUT ON MR. WHAT THE MAYOR WAS ASKING ON OUR WETLANDS, I THINK WE CLARIFIED, DOT IS TAKING THE TOP PORTION FROM US, MR. MAYOR, THEY'RE TAKING UP THERE RIGHT WHEN YOU COME OFF OF, ACROSS FROM THE HOSPITAL.
SO THAT SECTION, YOU KNOW, IT WILL BE HANDLED BY S-C-D-O-T, THAT WHOLE, THAT ENTIRE AREA.
SO THAT, I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT ABOUT THAT PERMIT.
AND THEN THERE'S TWO OTHER SECTIONS.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE'VE GOT THE ONE SECTION APPROVED.
SO THAT SECTION STILL IS OUT THERE, BUT THERE WAS AN OLD CROSSING AS YOU'VE, AS YOU'VE NOTED HERE, THAT WAS APPROVED.
WE'RE JUST SHIFTING IT SLIGHTLY TO ALIGN WITH DOT'S ROAD WORK.
AND THEN OF COURSE, DOWN ON PARCEL 11, IS THAT WHERE THE NEXT, SO PARCEL 11 TO PARCEL 16, THERE'S ANOTHER SMALL CROSSING.
YEAH, THAT'S JUST CLIPPING A WET LINE.
THAT'S NOT REALLY A CROSSING I WAS TALKING, BUT IN THERE.
ANOTHER ONE, KEVIN, RIGHT HERE AND THEN FUTURE.
SO WE JUST, WELL, WE JUST SAW FROM SOUTH FROM, UH, RIVERPORT, THEY SHOWED US, YOU KNOW, BIG MAP AND THEY SAID, OKAY, PARCEL, THIS IS GONNA BE THE FIRST ONE.
THIS IS GONNA BE SECOND ONE, THIS IS GONNA BE THIRD ONE.
COULD YOU RUN US THROUGH YOUR VISION OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED? WHAT GOES FIRST, SECOND, GOES THIRD? JUST WHAT YOU ANTICIPATE.
SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AN EXACT SCIENCE AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY UNDERSTOOD.
AND PART OF THAT REASON IS BEING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN ON HOLD TO SOME DEGREE WITH OUR NEGOTIATIONS, BUT PARCEL 13, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST IN, I THINK THAT'LL BE THE FIRST PARCEL DEVELOPED.
AND THEN I, LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE'LL BE MOVING FROM SOUTH TO NORTH, UH, ALL THE WHILE, YOU KNOW, THE DOT ROAD WORK WILL BE GOING IN, IN OUR MAIN ENTRANCE.
UM, AND THEN I THINK, LET'S SEE, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE DON'T, THE TRUTH OF THAT, THE ANSWER IS WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, THE SEQUENCE.
BUT IF I HAD TO GUESS, IT WOULD BE FROM PARCEL 13 TO THE, UH, TO THE NORTH.
SO 13 AFTER 13, WHAT'S NEXT? UM, WELL, PARCEL 13 TO PARCEL 11.
SO THOSE ARE OUR TWO THAT I, THAT WE'VE GOT SOME THAT'S ONE, TWO, WHAT'S NUMBER THREE? NUMBER THREE, UH, IF I HAD TO GUESS WOULD BE, AGAIN, SOME OF THIS IS PREDICATED ON DOT DOING THEIR WORK, RIGHT? SO AGAIN, I, I, AGAIN, WE'RE MOVING FROM SOUTH TO NORTH AND, UH, WE JUST DON'T HAVE, I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S ALL DEVELOPMENT 1 0 1, YOU KNOW, WE WILL DEVELOP AS, AS THINGS PROGRESS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE GO FROM 13 TO 11 AND THEN PARALLEL PROCESS, HOPEFULLY SOME OF THE RETAIL WILL COME ONLINE, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TOWARDS PARCEL 15.
WE'VE HAD SOME INTEREST IN PARCEL 15, BUT NOTHING, NOTHING, UH, UH, CONFIRMED PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS.
I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU WERE GONNA START ON THE NORTH END AND, UH, PARCEL, UH, LOOKING AT 15, UH, 16 A AND B, BECAUSE YOUR, UH, SPINE ROAD WAS ONLY GONNA RUN UP TO THAT CROSSROAD RIGHT THERE.
NOW YOU'RE SHIFTING YOUR ANTICIPATED START OVER TO 13, 12.
UH, YES, MR. MESMAN, THAT'S THAT.
WELL MAKE SURE I I ANSWER THIS CORRECTLY.
WE, WE HAVE PUT A PAUSE ON PARCEL 15 BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE DELAYS WE'VE, YOU KNOW, ENCOUNTERED HERE.
SO WE STILL ARE COMMITTED TO BUILDING THAT FIRST PORTION OF THE SPINE ROAD LIKE WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT, BUT WE, UM, WE HAVE PUT PARCEL 15 ON HOLD UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND OUR TIMELINE.
KEVIN, AM I CORRECT IN THINKING THAT YOU'LL STILL NEED TO COME FORWARD FOR INITIAL MASTER PLANS FOR ALL OF THESE PARTS? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE ACTUAL TIMING, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT OF WHAT YOU ARE SUBMITTING FOR THAT SUBSEQUENT ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
SO, SO LET'S JUST SAY WE RECEIVE APPROVAL NEXT WEEK.
I WOULD SAY THE NEXT 60 DAYS AFTER THAT WE'LL BE IN WITH PARCEL 13 FOR AN IMP ON THAT SITE AFTER 13 PARCEL 11.
THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY CERTAINTY WE CAN GIVE YOU PARCEL 13 AND PARCEL 11 RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN WE'LL, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, I THINK BRETT JUST SHOWED UP.
BUT, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, HOW, WHERE ARE WE WITH OUR WATER AND SEWER PERMITS? UM, WE'RE STILL, UH, STILL WORKING THROUGH THOSE.
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SO AT ANY EVENT, I MEAN, ONCE WE GET SOME OF THOSE, UH, PERMITS FINALIZED AND WILL BEGIN CONSTRUCTION ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE.UM, AND ANOTHER QUESTION, ORIGINALLY GOING BACK TO JUNE 22, PARCEL 17 AND 18 WAS BROUGHT FORTH AT THAT TIME.
WHERE, WHERE, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME OF DEVELOPING PARCEL 17 A AND B? AGAIN, WE'D LIKE TO DEVELOP IT, YOU KNOW, SOONER THAN LATER, BUT THERE IS NO CURRENT TIMELINE FOR THAT.
I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION OF THE SOUTH, THE NORTH TO SOUTH BUILD OUT.
NOW, BRIAN, I HAVE SOME GRAVE CONCERNS BECAUSE TO CLEAR THAT LAND YOU YOUR ONLY ACCESS TO GET THE TREES AND EVERYTHING ELSE OUTTA THERE ARE GOING TO BE PINE ARBOR ROAD.
AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AND DISCUSSED THIS, THAT THE SAFETY HAS GOT TO BE AN ISSUE.
PLUS THE FACT IS, IS PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT 16 MONTHS, THE BRIDGE WILL BE GONE, UH, FOR A NINE FIVE OVER 95 FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
SO WHAT WOULD YOUR PLANS BE TO TAKE YOUR, UH, LOGGING TRUCKS BACK PINE HARBOR TO 2 78 OR OVER, UM, PINE ARBOR TO 46? IT'S THE ONLY TWO WAYS OUT OF THERE, RIGHT? WELL, YEAH.
AND I MEAN, WE'RE STILL NOT OPPOSED TO, TO, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT DEVELOPING THE SITES, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE, MR. MESMAN, I THINK WE'D STILL WORK THROUGH THIS CONSTRUCTION SAFETY PLAN, WHICH, UM, WE HOPE YOU'LL BE INVOLVED IN.
I MEAN, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT RUNNING A, A CON UH, CONSTRUCTION ROAD THROUGH THE PROCESS? YOU'RE GONNA BE CROSSING YOUR WETLANDS WITH THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION ROAD ALSO, BRIAN? YES.
UM, WELL, I THINK, I THINK THIS NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO EVOLVE, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SAFETY.
SO PINE ARBOR FOR BACK TOWARDS THE BRIDGE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE SOUTH, SOUTH BRIDGE MM-HMM
LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE SHUT DOWN FOR A PERIOD OF MAYBE, MAYBE UP TO 12 MONTHS.
SO I THINK THAT THERE'S A OPPORTUNITY THERE TO UTILIZE THAT DEAD TED TIME, YOU KNOW, TO IMPROVE SITE 13.
PARCEL 13, SO WE'D UTILIZE THAT BLOCKED OFF ROAD.
UM, AND THEN IF YOU, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ACCENTUATING THE JOHN SMITH, UH, UH, SPINE ROAD ENTRANCE THERE AS I GUESS YOU RIGHT AT PARCEL 16 A AND 16 B.
WHAT WE'VE GOT SOME IDEAS AND WE'LL, WE'LL BLOW THOSE UP FOR YOU, MR. MESMAN, SHOW YOU HOW WE CAN MAKE THOSE SAFER DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD.
AND THEN THE SAME THING WITH THE NEW PINE ARBOR ALIGNMENT, UH, HOW WE CAN IMPROVE SOME SIGHT LINES, HOW WE CAN PUT SOME TEMPORARY GRAVEL, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, INGRESS AND EGRESS, AND THEN SOME WHAT WE CALL RUNWAY.
SO I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, I, I SEE YOU, YOU WANT TO COME ACROSS FROM THE NORTH SIDE, BUT I THINK WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT A WAY TO MITIGATE SOME OF THAT.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, SITE 15 COULD COME ALONG VERY QUICKLY, AND IF IT DOES, WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK TO YOU WITH A, WITH A GAME PLAN.
BUT RIGHT NOW, AND I NOT BLAMING ANYONE, BUT YOU CAN IMAGINE SOME OF OUR INTERESTED PARTIES HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS PROCESS AND, AND YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T, THEY CAN'T BE AS FLEXIBLE WITH THE TIMELINE.
SO SOME OF THOSE DEALS HAVE, HAVE FALTERED BECAUSE OF THAT.
WELL, WITH THAT SAID, WE, OUR FLEXIBILITY WITH THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC IS ALSO INVOLVED WITH THIS.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IMPROVING YOUR SIGHTLINES THERE AT PINE ARBOR AND THE ASSET BRIDGE WILL BE GONE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, BUT THEN IT WILL BE OPEN AGAIN.
THE TRAFFIC ON PINE ARBOR, UM, IS STILL GONNA BE, AND JOHN SMITH IS STILL GONNA BE FAIRLY HEAVY BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL USE PINE ARBOR TO GO TO COME TO DOWNTOWN HARDY.
UH, THEY'RE NOT ALL GONNA RUN DOWN, UH, 2 78 TO 17 AND GO THAT WAY.
UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE SITE LINE TO MAKE IT SAFE ACTUALLY ARE.
AND WE, WE GET THAT NOW, YOU MEAN, AND WE REALIZE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS.
UM, WE DID GET OUR S-C-D-O-T, UH, ACCESS APPROVAL, WHICH WAS GREAT.
SO, AND WE, AND THEY HAVE GOT SOME STRICT GUIDELINES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.
UH, OUR ENGINEER, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOT THAT LANGUAGE, BUT SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WILL IMPOSE UPON ANY CONTRACTOR WILL REVIEW WITH YOU IN THE, WITH THE CITY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MAKE SURE THOSE ARE MANDATORY.
I THINK, UM, BACK TO JOSH'S POINT, LET'S JUST SAY WE CAME IN WITH PARCEL 17, YOU KNOW, AND IT DIDN'T APPEAR TO BE A SAFE GAME PLAN.
I THINK WE'LL BE HERE AGAIN TALKING THROUGH HOW ARE WE GONNA MAKE IT SAFE SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THIS APPROVAL NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT DOESN'T,
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DOESN'T MEAN WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE CART BLANCHE TO DO WHATEVER WE WANT.WE'RE COMING BACK TO EACH AND EVERY TIME SAYING, HOW DO WE ISOLATE THIS AND MAKE THIS SAFE? WELL, HIGH HIGH TRAFFIC TIMES ON JOHN SMITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, WOULD IT BE UNREASONABLE TO, UH, HAVE A REQUEST IN THERE THAT DURING THOSE HIGH TRAFFIC TIMES, THE LONGING TRUCKS ARE NOT ENTERING AND EXITING THROUGH THAT TIME? THERE'S A LOT OF HOURS IN A DAY WHEN THEY'RE NOT IN THERE.
UM, THERE'S A COMPROMISE IN HERE SOMEWHERE, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND IT.
CAITLIN, YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? UM, I WAS GONNA SPEAK TO THE TYPICAL STANDARD NOTES ON DESIGN PLANS INCLUDE LIMITATIONS ON TIMEFRAMES FOR WHEN CONSTRUCTION HAPPENED.
SO FOR JOHN SMITH ROAD, I THINK IT'S BETWEEN THOSE PEAK HOURS OF SEVEN TO NINE AND FOUR TO SIX, NO CONSTRUCTION CAN HAPPEN.
AND SO THE LOGGING IS, IS A BIG CONCERN OF YOURS.
RIGHT? VERY BIG, VERY BIG TRUCKS ARE, THEY'RE VERY LONG, THEY DON'T MOVE QUICK.
SO I THINK WE, WE, WE WILL, UH, AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE WANNA DESIGNATE SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL COMPLY TO S-C-D-O-T STANDARDS.
WE'LL ALSO, UH, WORK WITH ANYTHING THE CITY COMES UP WITH, MAYBE A STAGING PERIOD, MAYBE A FLAGMAN LIKE YOU JUST SAID, MAYBE SOME STRUCTURED TIMING.
BUT, BUT I, I DO FEEL LIKE, UM, WE CAN COME UP WITH A SCENARIO THAT WILL MAKE THAT SAFE.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT THE ONLY CONGESTED AREA IN THE COUNTRY DEVELOPING, SO WE, THERE, THERE'S A WAY TO DO THIS SAFELY.
WHAT THE HOURS ARE ME GOING TO, UH, THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE OF THIS, WE HAVE, UM, A TENTATIVE AGREEMENT THAT THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, UM, WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE MORGAN PEOPLE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO THAT INCLUDES SOME TURNING LANES AT THE INTERSECTION.
MY CONCERN ABOUT THAT, AFTER THAT'S DONE, THEN JOHN SMITH ROAD GOES BACK TO A TWO LANE, NO SHOULDER ROAD AND THERE'S 1400 HOMES BETWEEN 13, 12, 11, AND 17.
1400 UNITS DENSITY APPROVED IN THOSE PARCELS.
AND WITH CONSTRUCTION AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS, THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING OUT ONTO THAT TWO LANE ROAD.
I KEEP ENVISIONING ARGENT BOULEVARD TWO.
OKAY, JUST THROW THIS OUT THERE.
SHOULDN'T JOHN SMITH ROAD NOW BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF SOUTH POINT AND MORGAN TO MAKE IT FOUR LANES FOR I 95? BECAUSE TWO LANE WE'RE, WE'RE CREATING, I'M AFRAID WE'RE CREATING LARGE BOULEVARD ALL OVER AGAIN.
'CAUSE WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE NOT SEEING HERE ARE THE CURB CUTS FROM MORGAN TRACK THAT WE LOOKED AT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION YESTERDAY.
THEY, THEY HAVE ALSO PLANNED AGAIN DOWN THE ROAD.
'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE ENVISIONING THE FUTURE.
NONE OF THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN PROBABLY IN MY LIFETIME, BUT WE HAVE, OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO THE FUTURE.
SO YOU'VE GOT NOT ONLY THESE TWO CURB CUTS, YOU'VE GOT, I THINK THEY SAID TWO FROM THE MORGAN TRACK DOWN THE ROAD.
SO ENVISIONING THE FUTURE, I, I THINK, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME OBLIGATION TO WIDEN JOHN SMITH ROAD TO FOUR LANES JUST LIKE WE HAVE NOW.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE SITUATION, LIKE YOU HAVE AN ORIGIN TWO LANE ROAD, NO SHOULDER, YOU KNOW, VERY UNSAFE WITH A WHOLE LOT OF HOMES BEING BUILT.
AND SO I, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE ASK.
AM I WRONG IN WHEN WE SAW THE INITIAL THAT IT WOULD SHOW THREE LANES ON A LOT OF THAT, OF JOHN SMITH? YEAH.
WELL, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED NOW, AND THIS IS WHY I'M GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION.
THE INITIAL WAS THAT LANE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION MM-HMM
AND IT WOULD BE LANE IMPROVEMENTS FROM THE SOUTH POINT SIDE AND LANE IMPROVEMENTS FROM THE MORGAN SIDE.
MORGAN'S TAKING IT ALL OVER AND THEY'RE JUST DOING THE INTERSECTION.
SO THE QUESTION IS, WHAT'S HAPPENING AFTER MORGAN IMPROVES THE INTERSECTION? SO A FEW HUNDRED FEET, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY FEET, JOSH? NO, IT'S, IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN, I THINK BETWEEN THREE TO 400 FEET IS WHAT I WAS THINKING.
SO ONLY 400 FEET AND THEN IT GOES BACK TO A TWO-LANE ROAD.
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AND SO THAT'S MY CONCERN.WE APPROVED THE INTERSECTION, YOU GET A LIGHT THERE, EVENTUALLY EVERYTHING IS FINE, AND THEN YOU GO BACK TO A TWO-LANE ROAD.
SO I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AS A COMPONENT OF EXTERNAL DA FEES, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW YOU'VE TAKEN THAT UP WITH OTHER SIMILAR DEVELOPMENTS IN LOOKING AT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
WE'VE HISTORICALLY COLLECTED EXTERNAL D FEES.
BUT THIS WAS APPROVED TWO YEARS AGO.
DO WE HAVE A DA AGREEMENT THAT HAS THAT IN THERE? I DON'T KNOW.
AND IF WE DON'T, MIKE, MIKE DID WAS TAKE OFF ROAD DA FEES AND PUT IT ON THE DEVELOPER TO DO THE ROAD WORK AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING IN DA FEES.
PUT IT ON THE DEVELOPER TO DO THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT'S WHY THAT SHOULD BE COME BACK UP, YOU KNOW, REVIEW THAT DA AGREEMENT.
ARE THERE, DA ARE THEY ROAD DA FEES IN HERE THAT THAT CAN EVENTUALLY BE, UH, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEN THE PUBLIC 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD HAS TO DO ANOTHER REFERENDUM TO PAY FOR THE WIDENING OF THIS ROAD.
AND IT BECOMES, NOW IT BECOMES ON THE PUBLIC TO WIDEN THE ROAD.
THE ONE THING I WILL SAY THOUGH, THAT I KNOW HAS CHANGED IS WITH THE MORGAN TRACK FOLKS COMING FORWARD AND, AND LOOKING TO PAY FOR THOSE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, THAT DOES ELIMINATE OBLIGATIONS THAT SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPERS LIKE SOUTH POINT MIGHT HAVE OTHERWISE HAD, WHICH IN THEORY THEN COULD OPEN UP SOME FUNDING TO POTENTIALLY PAY FOR THAT.
NOW HOW FAR DOES THAT DOLLAR STRETCH? YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW.
WE'LL NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT AND PART OF THE S-E-D-O-T APPROVAL OF OUR TIA, THEY DID CALL THAT OUT.
UM, THERE IS GOING TO BE A, UH, BRIDGE IMPROVEMENT OVER 95, BUT THAT'S LIMITED TO TWO LANES.
SO IF YOU WIDEN IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THAT BRIDGE, IT'S STILL GONNA BE A BOTTLENECK.
I REMEMBER, IF I REMEMBER, WE WENT FROM FIVE AT THE INTERSECTION THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT TO THREE, UH, AND EVENTUALLY, I THINK IT WAS RIGHT, RIGHT AFTER PINE ARBOR THAT IT WENT BACK TO THE TWO LANES.
NO, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING GO UP TO I 95.
'CAUSE THE BRIDGE IS GONNA BE TWO.
BUT ALL THE CURB CUTS, THE, THE THESE FROM SOUTH POINT AND THE TWO FROM MORGAN AND WHATEVER'S ON PARCEL 18, THAT, THAT BECOMES A, A STORAGE UNIT, THERE'S GONNA BE A CURB CUT THERE, YOU KNOW, SO NOW ALL THESE CURB CUTS ARE GONNA BE ON A TWO LANE ROAD, SAME SITUATION WE HAVE WITH LARGE.
AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO CREATE A PROBLEM.
SO NOW GO BACK TO THE QUESTION, WHERE ARE THREE LANES GOING UP TO? I WAS GONNA CONTINUE MY COMMENT FROM PART OF DOT'S APPROVAL.
THEY HAVE CALLED OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE CURB CUTS ALONG THE WAY AND TURN LANE IMPROVEMENTS RECOMMENDED BECAUSE OF THE WIDENING NECKING DOWN, TAPERING BACK AND FORTH.
DOT DID MENTION THERE SHOULD BE CONSIDERATION TO LOOK AT JOHN SMITH.
THEY DIDN'T SAY A A SPECIFIC SEGMENT DEFINITION, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN PAYING THAT, PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT.
AND WITH IT BEING THEIR ROAD AND THEIR JURISDICTION, THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET IT, UM, GET OUT OF HAND.
BUT DOT DID APPROVE THIS WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAD ALONG WITH TIMEFRAMES AND TIMELINES OF WHEN THEY EXPECT THESE IMPROVEMENTS TO GO INTO.
AND THEY'VE ALSO GIVEN MORGAN TRACK THE, UH, TIA APPROVAL AND HAS ASKED FOR THEIR COORDINATION TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS MOVING FORWARD ALSO.
SO SOUTH POINT AND MORGAN ARE BOTH GONNA HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH THIS JOHN SMITH ROAD SEGMENT AND THE EXHIBIT YOU HAVE, YOU SEE THERE, THAT WAS, THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED TO BE WIDENED MR. MAYOR FROM, FROM HERE ALL THE WAY PAST, UH, ANN ARBOR ROAD AND IN THE TAPER HERE, UM, WHERE IT WAS, IT FELT LIKE IT WAS APPROPRIATE SECTION.
I THINK IF YOU WOULD ENLARGE THAT AND FOCUS DOWN ON THAT, ON JOHN SMITH, I THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE SCROLL DOWN.
SO THAT'S, THERE'S THREE LANES AND THAT'S BEING, THAT'S BEING PAID FOR BY SOUTH POINT MORGAN.
AND ALSO THERE WIRE HAS A, AS A YEAH, THERE'S A RESPONSIBILITY FOR MILLSTONE LANDING, WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE TRACK AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUE THERE ARE SOME, THERE IS SOME ALLOCATION OF DA FEES MR. MAYOR.
IS THIS PER YOUR TIA THE WIDENING REQUIREMENT? IS THAT WHAT THE TIA HAS SHOWN? THE TIA WILL WORK WITHOUT THE WIDENING, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT DDOT HAS CALLED OUT.
SO ACCORDING TO THE DA, THE DA DOES REQUIRE THE DEVELOPERS TO PAY FOR THOSE TYPE
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OF IMPROVEMENTS.IN ADDITION TO THAT, THIS DA DOES HAVE A ROAD FEE.
UM, IT WAS NOT SPLIT INTO INTERNAL EXTERNAL.
THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT TO USE THAT FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AT THEIR DISCRETION.
AND THERE IS A ROAD FEE PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT AND, UM, COMMERCIAL.
SO SOUTH POINT WILL PAY FOR ALL THOSE INTERNAL ROADS AND THE DA FEES WILL GO INTO A BANK THAT CAN BE USED ON JOHN SMITH ROAD.
IS THAT, DO I HAVE IT RIGHT? YOU CAN USE THEM ON JOHN SMITH ROAD.
UM, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS THAT IT, BECAUSE THEIR DOT'S REQUIRING THEM TO DO IT.
IT'S, IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AS WELL.
UH, WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AT IS SOUTH POINT WILL TAKE CARE OF THE INTERIOR ROADS AND WE'LL BUILD UP A BANK OF ROAD FEES.
OR WHEREVER WE, WE, THE CITY SMITH PRE PER THE TERM JOHN SMITH OR WHEREVER WE WANT TO USE.
PER THE TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
DOES THE CITY HAVE UNILATERAL DISCRETION ON THE USE OF THE ROAD FEES? YES.
SO THEN THE ANSWER IS YES, WE COULD CHOOSE TO USE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THOSE FUNDS TOWARDS THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE LOVE TO SEE AN OVERLAY OF WHAT MORGAN TRACK, UH, IS LOOKING FOR FOR THEIR CURB CUTS BASED ON WHAT THIS IS.
IT WAS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION YESTERDAY.
SO WE'LL SEE THAT AT THE, OUR WORKSHOP.
UH, WE HAVE FEBRUARY 4TH, AND I THINK THEY CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT TODAY TOO BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING THEM BEING ASKED TO VOTE ON THIS NEXT WEEK.
WE HAVE, THIS REFLECTS WHAT THEY'VE SENT US.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, LAMAR SHARING INFORMATION WITH WILLIE POWELL.
THERE AGAIN, THEY HAVE NO CURB CUTS UP UNTIL THIS POINT.
THEY DON'T OPPOSE THAT AT ALL.
THAT'S WHY THAT THIRD LANE MAKES SENSE, FRANKLY, THAT'S SUPPOSEDLY A BUS ACCESS TOO.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT THIS ACCESS.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MORGAN BEYOND THIS SIDE, BUT WE'VE COORDINATED EVERYTHING THAT'S PERTINENT TO US.
SO THAT'S THE TWO MORGAN CURB CUTS WHERE THE TWO PRIMARY ON 19 A AND BELOW PARCEL 17.
SO, SO MY QUESTION IS BACK, BACK TO ALL OF THIS CONSTRUCT, THE POSSIBILITY OF USING THAT ROAD A AS A CONSTRUCTION ROAD, AND I'M TALKING THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO, BUT WITH PINE ARBOR AND YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO USE THAT AS A CONSTRUCTION ROAD, CORRECT? JUST YES, MA MA'AM, WE WANNA CLARIFY, THERE'S AN OLD CONSTRUCTION ROAD THERE NOW THAT WILL BE ABANDONED.
AND WE AGREE THAT'S NOT AN ADEQUATE ENTRANCE.
SO IF YOU NOTICE THE IN NEW AND IMPROVED PINE ARBOR ALIGNMENT, THAT WILL BE THE PRIMARY CONSTRUCTION ROAD.
SO HERE, HERE'S MY, MY FEAR ABOUT ALL OF THIS.
I MEAN, WE KNOW IT'S A 55 MILE PER HOUR ROAD RIGHT NOW.
SO WHEN DO YOU END THIS SAGE PUTTING THAT THIRD LANE INTO BYPASS THAT WILL PASS ALL OF THOSE ENTRANCES IN AND THEN TAPER ON TOWARDS THE LEFT? WHEN IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN? WHAT'S THE TIMELINE? YEAH, LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT'S GONNA EVOLVE WHEN IT'S REQUIRED.
WE'LL PUT IT IN OR PUT OUR PORTION IN.
BUT WHAT I, WHAT I WILL SAY IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T THINK WE NEED IT DAY ONE, BUT WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU, MRS. GUZMAN, IF YOU'RE ON THE COUNCIL, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAY WE'RE DEVELOPING SITE 17 AND YOU SAY WE NEED IT, THEN OBVIOUSLY OUR DEVELOPMENT, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PROCEED WITHOUT IT.
SO HERE'S MY QUESTION GOING INTO THAT IS, OKAY, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE GOING TO USE THAT ROAD A AS A CONSTRUCTION ROAD, OKAY? UM, UH, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LOGGING TRUCKS GOING IN, GOING OUT.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU HAVE, AND, AND YOU WILL SEE FROM MY TRAFFIC ISSUE, UH, QUESTIONS THAT I PUT OUT TO YOU GUYS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE THESE MULTIAXIAL VEHICLES COMING IN TO TRANSPORT THE LOGS TO BRING HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND TO TAKE DIRT IN, DIRT OUT KIND OF THING, THESE ARE MULTIAXIAL VEHICLES THAT DON'T STOP ON A DIME.
MY QUESTION IS, BECAUSE IT'S STILL GONNA BE A TWO LANE ROAD UNTIL YOU GUYS DECIDE TO MAKE IT, THREE, ARE THESE VEHICLES GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO SWEEP INTO THE ONCOMING TRAFFIC IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT TURN TO GET UP THE CONSTRUCTION ROAD ROAD TO GET INTO YOUR DEVELOPMENT AND VICE VERSA COMING OUT GONNA HAPPEN? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
BUT WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE TO A MOU TO DUR TO PROVIDE A FLAGGER OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE HARDY PD DURING THESE CONSTRUCTION TIMES? I THINK WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IF YOU, WE COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AND YOU
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AND WE WANNA DEVELOP SITE 17 AND YOU SAY, GUYS, I'D LIKE THIS TO BE CONDITIONED UPON YOU HAVING A FLAGMAN DURING YOUR LOGGING OPERATION, WE'LL, ACQUIESCE OKAY, GIVEN, SO I THINK I'D LIKE TO BUT YOU'RE GONNA BE CLEARING PARCEL 13, OR, OR I'M JUST PICKING ONE.YEAH, IF YOU SAID 13, UM, MR. MCCLURE, WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU THE APPEAL IF YOU'LL AGREE IN WRITING TO MAKE IT AS SAFE AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE.
I, I, UH, I CAN SEE HOW IT CAN, UH, IT CAN WORK.
WELL, I, I'VE HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR AND I CAN ASSURE YOU LET'S, EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, LET'S TAKE THAT AND ADDRESS THAT.
AND, AND WELL, I, SO, SO I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS BECAUSE THEY'VE GOTTA COME BACK FORWARD FOR THEIR INITIAL MASTER PLAN, PLEASE BE AWARE THAT AS PART OF YOUR INITIAL MASTER PLAN, YOU WILL NEED TO PROVIDE SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THAT WILL, WE WERE CALLING IN, I THINK WE'VE EVEN GOT AN EXHIBIT FOR MR. ME CONSTRUCTION SAFETY TRAFFIC PLAN.
AND SO THAT WILL NEEDS TO BE HELP YOU, YOU CAN HELP US ALTER THAT, MR. MESMAN AND EVERY, AND WE'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL BE PART OF EVERY SINGLE INTERNAL DEVELOPMENT.
SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND, BECAUSE I THINK THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE CLOSING OF JOHN SMITH ROAD WITH DOT'S WORK TO SOMEWHAT OF A BENEFIT IS THAT, THAT THAT ROAD WILL BE CLOSED AS OF PINE ARBOR.
AND SO COMING INTO AND OFF OF JOHN SMITH, THERE WILL BE NO CONFLICT OF TRAFFIC BEYOND THAT OTHER THAN DOT'S CONTRACTORS PRESUMABLY.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, DOT'S GONNA GET THIS BALL ROLLING SOMETIME IN THE NEXT SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS, AND THEN JOHN SMITH'S GONNA BE CLOSED FOR THE NEXT 12 MONTHS.
BEYOND THAT, POTENTIALLY YOU COULD TIME THAT TO SAY, WE'LL USE THE PORTION OF JOHN SMITH WHERE THERE ARE NO TRAFFICS BECAUSE IT'S BEING DETOURED.
AND THAT WOULD AT LEAST FOR THAT TIMEFRAME, ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.
NOW, IT DOESN'T ALLEVIATE IT LONG TERM GOING FORWARD WHEN JOHN SMITH OPENS BACK UP, BUT I THINK, I THINK THE EXPECTATIONS ARE CLEAR.
AND, AND THAT IS OUR INTENT, MR. GRUBER.
AND, AND YOU GOTTA REMEMBER, THE CONSTRUCTION HAS A DEFINITIVE START AND A AND A DAY, IT'LL, IT DOESN'T GO ON FOR ETERNITY.
SO, YOU KNOW, GRANTED THE PROJECT'S PROBABLY A TWO TO 10 YEAR PROJECT, BUT WE, THAT'S WHY I LIKE STARTING ON THAT SOUTHERN END BECAUSE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT SHUTDOWN DOWN, BUT, BUT IT DOESN'T NEGATE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE STILL GOING TO BE USING THE TRAFFIC ON PINE ABA.
IT'S NOT GONNA STOP BECAUSE EVERYONE'S GOING TO USE PINE ABA AS A DETOUR COMING DOWN.
JOHN SMITH USE PINE ABA AS A DETOUR TO GET, TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
SO MY THING IS, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE TRAFFIC COMING UP AND DOWN AND GOING TOWARDS PINE ABA WHEN THESE LOGGING TRUCKS ARE ON DECK? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU PREVENT, AND TO ME IT'S A TOTAL, IT'S A SCARY SITUATION.
AND, AND TO ME, THE THE PRIMARY THING RIGHT NOW IS THE, THE PRIMARY THING RIGHT NOW IS THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE.
BECAUSE I, I AM ACTUALLY AFRAID TO THINK OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN AT THAT INTERSECTION, BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, JS IS UNTENABLE IN ITS CURRENT STATE, WE HAVE NO SHOULDERS TO SPEAK OF.
SO EVEN A CAR, IF IT WANTS TO AVOID A SITUATION THAT IT CAN GO OFF, OFF ROAD.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HERE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE TAXPAYERS.
I'M NOT HERE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE DEVELOPER.
THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD WHAT THEY NEED TO BUILD, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TOWARDS THE PEOPLE THAT'S USING THOSE ROADS.
SO, AND I'LL ALSO MAKE A COMMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, AS DOT'S GIVEN APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE ENCROACHMENT PERMIT APPLICATION STAGE, THE CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCES AND TRAFFIC CONTROL OPERATIONS, THOSE THINGS HAPPENED IN THAT PROCESS.
AND WITH THE MENTION OF DOT DOING THE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT OVER 95 AND HAVING JOHN SMITH CLOSE FOR A LITTLE BIT, THERE'S GONNA BE EXTENSIVE COORDINATION BETWEEN THAT GOING ON AND ALSO THIS POTENTIALLY GOING ON.
SO DO T'S GONNA HAVE THEIR HANDS ON THIS.
I I THINK WE'VE GOT THE MESSAGE ABOUT THIS.
CAN WE MOVE A LITTLE FORWARD THAT, I MEAN, I WELL, LET'S GET, MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE QUESTIONS, I THINK OKAY.
TO, TO THE NEXT QUESTIONS MY POINT, THE, BUT GO BACK TO THE TIMETABLE MM-HMM
THE BRIDGE WILL BE REPLACED AS THE CON THE WIDENING GOES UP.
SO, OR AS IT GO BEFORE THE WIDENING GETS THERE, THAT'S, THE WIDENING WON'T GET THERE FOR THREE YEARS, CORRECT? NO, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS CHECKING WITH NEIL ON THAT BECAUSE DO T'S BEEN PROVIDING US WITH SOME PROSPECTIVE SCHEDULES, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE GONNA START AT EXIT FIVE FIRST AND THEN JOHN SMITH ROAD SECOND.
SO THOSE WOULD ACTUALLY COME ONLINE BEFORE THE WIDENING EFFORTS DOWN BY THE BORDER.
SO YOU'RE GONNA START THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT PRIOR TO THE WIDENING GETTING UP TO THAT POINT.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, THAT IS THE SCHEDULE THAT DOT HAS PROVIDED TO US.
THE BRIDGE IS FIRST THEY WOULD BE DOING THAT SIMULTANEOUSLY.
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SO IT WOULD BE, NOW THE OTHER QUESTION THAT HAS COME UP BEFORE ABOUT CLIMBING THE, RIGHT NOW JOHN SMITH ROAD IS AN IS AN F PLUS, RIGHT? SO IT'S FAILED, NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS.WE HAVE THE X MILLION OF DOLLARS IMPROVEMENTS THAT MORGAN'S GONNA DO AT THE INTERSECTION.
DOES THAT GET DONE FIRST BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENS HERE? A QUESTION I I, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NO, NO, NO, BUT IT'S NOT YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PLAN? I THINK I'VE ALWAYS STATED CA AND KAYLYN, YOU CAN GET MORE TECHNICAL.
WE ARE NOT MOVING FORWARD UNLESS WE'RE DOING WHAT'S ADEQUATE TO MOVE TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE EVER GONNA GET IT TO AN AN A GRADE, BUT IF, IF WE COME TO YOU AND WE WANNA DEVELOP PARCELS, LET'S GO BACK TO 17 AND, AND THERE'S IMPROVEMENTS TO BE MADE, THEN I THINK THEN JOSH IS GONNA HELP US WORK THROUGH THAT.
WELL, AND I DO THINK PART OF THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION RELIES UPON WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY'S ULTIMATELY SUCCESSFULLY ABLE TO ENTER INTO AN MOU WITH THE MORGAN TRACK FOLKS.
WE THINK CONCEPTUALLY THAT'S WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT.
BUT I, I THINK FROM A VERY HIGH LEVEL STANDPOINT, EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE THAT WITH THE MORGAN TRACK WITH SOUTH POINT OR WITH, UH, HILTON HEAD, LAKES WEST, THE INTERSECTION AT JOHN SMITH AND 2 78 NEEDS TO BE THE FIRST PRIORITY BEFORE ANY OF THEM ARE ACTIVATED.
WHAT'S THE TIME TO, BECAUSE IF THIS ALL STARTS BEFORE THE IMPROVEMENTS AT 2 78 AND JOHN SMITH GET DONE, WE GOT A MESS.
AND THAT'S WHY THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD NOT THIS INTERSECTION BE TAKEN CARE OF FIRST, REGARDLESS OF WHO DOES IT BEFORE WE GET GOING ON THIS? BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOTTA BE DONE.
THE BRIDGE BRIDGE HAS GOTTA BE DONE.
NOW YOU ADD THIS ON TOP OF IT, THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO DOES IT, BUT SCHEDULE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T CREATE AN ABSOLUTE MESS WHEN, WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION STARTS.
I THINK WE NEED THAT KIND OF A SCHEDULE.
AND I THINK WE NEED AN MOU FROM MORGAN TO SAY, OKAY, IT'S GOING TO BE DONE.
AND THEN MORGAN SAYS, WELL, I CHANGED MY MIND.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S NOT THAT IT'S LIKELY TO HAPPEN, BUT WE, ALL WE HAVE TO ANTICIPATE IS MRS. GUZMAN SAID, NO, WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY WHEN ALL THIS HAS TAKEN PLACE.
MR. MAYOR YES, PLEASE, WE'LL HAVE THE BENEFIT OF OUR APPROVAL FROM, UH, JOSH JOHNSON AND, AND OUR TIA HE SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THAT.
HE REQUIRES SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S IN HIS APPROVAL.
THAT'S IN THE DOCUMENTS, IT'S IN THE DOCUMENT FROM, FROM JOSH.
WHO'S JOSH? HE'S, UH, HE'S THE DOT IS MR PERSONALITY.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I DIDN'T SAY THAT LOGGING COMING OUT, I MEAN, SO THE LOGS ARE GOING OVER, YOU KNOW, IF THAT, IF, IF THAT INTERSECTION IS IM IMPROVED.
I MEAN, DID, UH, DOT APPROVE THIS PLAN BASED ON THE EXISTING THAT'S THERE? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU, I I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
THEY APPROVE BEGINNING OF THIS, OF YOUR PROJECT THE WAY JOHN SMITH IS RIGHT NOW, THE INTERSECTION OF 2 78.
YEAH, NO, WE HAVE TO DO IMPROVEMENTS.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT ANSWERS ALL THE QUESTIONS.
NOTHING STARTS UNTIL THAT FIXED.
AND, AND I'M PRETTY SURE MR. MESMAN, THAT THAT SAME COMMENT IS IN THE MORGAN TRACKS TIA AS WELL.
THAT ANSWERS A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS.
AND THE OTHER THING I'LL POINT OUT EVEN, LET'S JUST SAY WE, THINGS GO AS PLANNED, WHICH THEY NEVER DO.
PARCEL THIRTEENS OUR FIRST ONE, MR. MESMAN MM-HMM
UM, IF I WAS A BETTING MAN THAT WOULDN'T, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN SEE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY UNTIL Q1 OF 2026.
SO, I MEAN, AND, AND THAT'S EVEN OPTIMISTIC.
I DO THINK THAT WINDOW IS GONNA GONNA BE THERE WITH JOHN SMITH.
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THE OBVIOUS THING TO DO IF, AGAIN, THIS BECOMES OUR FIRST DEVELOPMENT, TIMING WORKS OUT, IS WE CAN MOVE OUR CONSTRUCTION ACCESS A HUNDRED FEET, YOU KNOW, PAST THAT INTERSECTION.
I MEAN, THIS WILL BE CLOSED DOWN.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO MESS WITH THAT AND KIND OF FIGURE OUT A WAY, THAT WAY THEY'RE ON THAT ROAD SAFELY, MS. GUZMAN, AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, READY TO MAKE THEIR NEXT MOVE.
SO, ALRIGHT, SO I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M A PERSON OF, OF SIMPLICITY.
SO LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A LANE HERE AND A LANE HERE, OKAY? THE WAY IT IS ON JOHN SMITH, YOU HAVE A LOGGING TRUCK COMING IN AND THEY WANNA TURN
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INTO WHATEVER ROLE, WHEREVER YOU PUT IT IS GOING TO CREATE THE SAME ISSUE.YOU HAVE THAT LOGGING TRUCK COMING DOWN HERE AND YOU HAVE WHATEVER'S COMING DOWN THIS WAY AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO CROSS.
SO IF YOU TELL ME THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THE, THE ENTRANCE TO THE LOGGING TRUCK PAST PINE HARBOR, UH, WELL THAT MAY CHANGE SOME THINGS A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S STILL, I DON'T KNOW, IT STILL SCARE ME.
CA CAITLYN MEN MENTIONED IN A REPORT THAT DOT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR OVERLAPPING THE LANES AT ALL.
THAT'S ALL GONNA BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION INTERNAL TO OUR PROJECT IN THE WAY OF RADIUS ON OUR GRAVEL ROAD AND THE LENGTH AND DEPTH OF OUR ROAD AS YOU COME IN, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT AREA, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO OVERLAP.
SO YOU'RE TRYING, SO MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU HAVE A LOGGING TRUCK THAT'S COMING IN MULTI AXLE, OKAY, IT'S NOT LIKE MY LITTLE RINKE IN 2,600 THAT TURNS ON A DIME.
THESE VEHICLES NEED A HUGE TURNING RADIUS IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT TURN SAFELY ON THE ROAD, ON ONTO WHEREVER THEY'RE GONNA GO BECAUSE IT, IT'S NOT JUST THE SAFETY OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE ROAD.
ALSO, YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE DRIVER OF THAT DUMP TRUCK OR WHATEVER IT IS BECAUSE HEAVEN FORBID SOMETHING SHIFTS ON HIS LOAD AND INTO THE CENTER OF GRAVITY MOVES THAT THAT TRUCK IS TURNING OVER.
SO NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BIG MESS ON THE ROAD, YOU'RE BLOCKING JOHN SMITH, THERE'S TRAFFIC GOING TO BE BACKED UP AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE THINGS I THINK ABOUT DOWN THE ROAD.
I MEAN IT'S, UM, I WOULD SAY DOT HAS REQUIREMENTS ON THE DESIGN VEHICLE AND YOU'RE CALLING OUT TRACTOR TRAILERS, THAT'S GONNA BE LIKE YOUR BIGGEST DESIGN VEHICLE.
AND TYPICALLY THAT'S WHAT'S USED FOR TURNING RADIUS PATH BECAUSE THAT BACK TIRE, AS YOU KNOW, HAS THAT SHORTER CORRECT TURNING PATH.
THAT'S LIKE A DOT STANDARD REQUIREMENT.
SO YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE EXTRA, YOU'RE GOING TO STILL NEED WIDER LANES.
SO, WHICH MEANS WIDER LANES TO ME MEANS MORE LANES IN ORDER NOT TO OVERLAP THE ONCOMING TRAFFIC.
IT'LL BE BASED OFF OF THE, UH, TURNING RADIUS DESIGN, HOWEVER THAT FLOWS.
IF THE TRUCK CAN MAKE THE TURN, THEN THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
IF THE TRUCK CANNOT MAKE THE TURN, IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, COORDINATED WITH DOT ON WHAT DESIGN AND WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED.
SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE EXPLAINING TO ME RIGHT NOW IS IT'S ALL THEY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE SWEAT PATH ANALYSIS OF THESE SEMI AND OR THE MULTIAXIAL VEHICLES, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES.
SO THAT TRACTOR TRAILER IS GONNA BE THE WORST CASE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA CONSIDER.
SO, WHICH MEANS A WIDER THROAT YES.
THIS IS A TRAFFIC QUESTION FOR IN THE TIA.
IN LOOKING AT THE TIA, UM, IT, IT SAID THAT JOHN SMITH IS AN F PLUS RIGHT NOW.
CORRECT? IT'S THE MINOR STREET APPROACH.
SO 2 78 IN THE EXISTINGS, NOT IN THAT REPORT OR THAT NUMBER THAT'S PRESENTED.
HAS THE, UM, ADDITIONAL MORGAN TRACK PROJECT 95 AND ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT THAT'S GOING TO BRING, IS THAT PART OF, WAS THAT PART OF THE ANALYSIS OR JUST THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC FROM SOUTHPORT? I WANNA CONFIRM SOMETHING.
PROJECT 95, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE LOGISTICS CENTER? YES.
THAT WAS INCLUDED AS PART OF SCOPING WITH S-E-D-O-T.
MORGAN TRACK WAS INCLUDED AND IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL FOR THE CITY BECAUSE WE COULDN'T DO THAT WITH DOT.
UM, BUT EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO FOR BACKGROUND TRAFFIC WE HAVE INCORPORATED.
SO, UH, IF I RECALL, AND I DIDN'T BRING THE, THE SHEET WITH ME, THESE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION, TAKE THAT AT PLUS TO A D, AM I CORRECT? YES.
SO MY QUESTION IS, SINCE WHEN IS D GOOD BY DOT THRESHOLD STANDARDS D IS ACCEPTABLE.
AND IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR A LOT OF THE INTERSECTIONS ON 2 78 NOW.
2 78 ISN'T WORKING WELL AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GONNA SPEND $65 MILLION TO, OF TAXPAYER MONEY TO WIDEN IT.
MM-HMM
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AND THEN WITH ALL THE ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND TR GROWTH THAT WE INCLUDED FROM TRAFFIC THAT DOT COULD NOT ACCEPT AND THE WIDENING, WE ARE STILL AT A D.I THINK WE'VE BEATEN THE TRAFFIC TODAY.
SO WE KIND OF GOT CUT OFF AT THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY THING.
UH, THE GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, 'CAUSE I HAD ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT SLASH ASSESSMENT AND ACOUSTIC STUDY DONE TO IDENTIFY THE THREATENED AND INJURED SPECIES WITHIN THE TRACK.
SO HAVE YOU GUYS DONE THAT? YEAH, I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T HEAR YOUR QUESTION.
HOW THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT SLASH ASSESSMENT AND THE ACOUSTIC STUDIES, HAVE THEY BEEN DONE? BECAUSE YOU DID BRIEFLY TOUCH ABOUT THAT.
SO ARE YOU IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT? SO THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDIES ACTUALLY A MORE PRELIMINARY STUDY THAN WHAT WE'VE CONDUCTED AT THIS POINT.
UM, AND THEN THE, UH, THE ACOUSTIC STUDIES WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING APPROVAL.
WE'RE, WE'RE COORDINATING WITH FISH AND WILDLIFE.
RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE, THE WAY THEIR PROTOCOL FOR STUDIES WORKS IS THAT WE COMPILE A PLAN PRESENTED TO THEM.
THEY REVIEW THE PLAN, GIVE US RECOMMENDATIONS, WE ADJUST, YOU KNOW, AND, AND COMMUNICATE BACK AND FORTH AND COME UP WITH AN APPROPRIATE STUDY.
UH, WE'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY DESIGNING A, A SCIENTIFIC STUDY.
AND SO IT TAKES SOME, TAKES SOME BACK AND FORTH TO GET TO THAT POINT.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THAT APPROVED.
UM, AND THEN ONCE IT'S APPROVED, WE'RE ACTUALLY, THERE'S A, UH, A SURVEY PERIOD FOR THEM.
THEY'VE GRANTED BECAUSE WE WERE, 'CAUSE WE'RE UNDER THE GUN AS FAR AS, UH, TIMELINES REGARDING WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE TO STUDY, TO LOOK FOR BATS, UM, IT'S USUALLY IN THE SUMMARY, ISN'T IT? YES.
GENERALLY, UM, BECAUSE OF HOW TEMPERATE OUR WEATHER IS AND 'CAUSE OF THE MEDIATION FROM THE OCEAN, THE BATS HERE DON'T HIBERNATE.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY CAVES OR ANY SUBSTANTIAL VERNACULAR, ANY THERMAL REFUGIA FOR THEM.
UM, SO THEY REALLY JUST CRAWL UNDERNEATH THE BARK OF LIKE A SHAGGY, SHAGGY BARK PINE TREE.
UM, AND THEY ONLY STAY THAT WAY WHEN TEMPERATURES ARE COLD.
SO, LIKE THESE PAST FEW DAYS THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED COLDER TEMPERATURES, THE BATS AREN'T FLYING AROUND AT NIGHT.
UH, ONCE NIGHTTIME TEMPERATURES GET UP ABOUT 40 DEGREES PER DAY OR TWO, THEN THEY'RE BACK ACTIVE.
UM,
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GET A, WE'RE GONNA GET A PLAN APPROVED.
IT'LL ALLOW US TO SURVEY OUTSIDE OF THE SURVEY PERIOD GIVEN CERTAIN ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS OR THAT.
SO GOING BACK TO YOUR PCN AGAIN, AND, UH, ITEM G TALKS ABOUT, UH, IT SAYS THAT THE NFIP PROHIBITS ANY DEVELOPMENT WITH THE DESIGNATED FLOODWAY, INCLUDING PLACEMENT OF FILL WITHOUT A NO IMPACT CERTIFICATION FROM FEMA OR THE LOCAL NFIP REPRESENTATIVE.
SO IF YOU ARE GONNA PUT FILL DIRT IN THAT ROAD, THAT'S GOING TO CROSS THE WETLAND WETLANDS ROAD, I MEAN, SHOULDN'T THAT CERTIFICATE, SHOULDN'T YOU GET THAT CERTIFICATION BEFORE YOU FILL ALL OF THAT STUFF IN OVER THE WETLANDS? THE ROAD A SO MY EXPERTISE IS, UH, OBTAINING AUTHORIZATION UNDER THE CLEAN WATER ACT.
UH, ALL OF THE OTHER CERTIFICATIONS COME LATER IN THE PROCESS AND OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE CLEAN WATER ACT.
UM, SO KEVIN CAN ANSWER THAT BETTER THAN I CAN.
THIS DESIGN, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE A DETAILED DESIGN OF THE ROADWAY AND PERMITTING AND THE ENGINEER WILL COORDINATE WITH THE CERTIFIED FLOODPLAIN MANAGER WITH THE CITY AND FEMA TO GET THAT CERTIFICATION AND THAT PERMIT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO MY LAST QUESTION IS, NOW THERE ARE LIKE EIGHT CONDITIONS IN THIS CN FOR YOU GUYS, AND THE END DATE, THE VERIFICATION IS VALID.
IT SAYS TO YOU, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT THIS A FEW MINUTES AGO ABOUT SOME OF THIS, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR THE ENTIRE, I DIDN'T GET THE ENTIRE RESPONSE.
UH, IT SAYS THAT THE VERIFICATION IS VALID UNTIL MARCH 14TH, 2026.
SO THERE ARE EIGHT CONDITIONS PLUS TWO IN HERE AND THAT Y'ALL HAVE TO MEET BEFORE THE DEADLINE.
WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T MEET THE DEADLINE? YOU SAID HE EXTENDED IT A YEAR ONCE EXTEND RIGHT.
I MEAN, THEY'RE VERY BIG CONDITIONS.
THOSE EIGHT CONDITIONS, IF WE DON'T MEET THOSE, OUR PERMIT'S INVALID.
THERE IS NO OPTION TO NOT MEET THEM.
THOSE ARE BY ACCEPTING THE AUTHORIZATION THAT THE CORE IS PROVIDED, WE AGREE TO THOSE CONDITIONS AND WE MEET THOSE CONDITIONS.
IF WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A PERMIT FROM THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND WE'RE VIOLATING THE LAW.
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SO MUCH.I HAVE, UH, ONE LAST TIME QUESTION.
THE SPINE ROAD THAT GOES UP TO, UH, 2 78, THE TIMETABLE FOR, UM, THE EXIT IMPROVEMENTS, PUTTING THE LIGHT THERE ON 2 78 IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR YEARS.
WILL THE SPINE ROAD BE COMPLETE AT THAT TIME? AND IF NOT, WHEN WILL IT BE COMPLETE? I WANNA STAY CONSISTENT TO WHAT WE SAID BEFORE.
UM, I BELIEVE, UM, MR. MAYOR, WHAT WE ARE COMMITTING TO DO IS, AND AGAIN, EACH STEP OF THE WAY, IF WE COME IN WITH PARCEL 11, WE'LL HAVE THE PORTION OF THE SPINE ROAD COMPLETED TO SERVE THAT AND SERVE THAT SAFELY.
IF WE COME IN WITH PARCEL NINE A, WE'LL CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH, BUT THE PHASE ONE I'M GONNA STAY CONSISTENT WITH THIS, IS THAT AREA ACROSS FROM THE HOSPITAL THAT YOU SEE IN LIGHTER SHADE AND THEN THE PORTION OFF OF JOHN SMITH DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
KEVIN, DO YOU WANNA POINT TO WHERE WE'RE TAKING IT TO? SO RIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION.
SO, UM, THE MIDDLE PORTION WILL, UH, COME ONLINE AS THOSE PARCELS ARE DEVELOPED.
NOW I'M GONNA REITERATE, WE'VE SURVEYED PLATTED.
I DON'T, WE, WE'VE NOT DEDICATED IT TO THE CITY YET, BUT IT'S RECORDED.
AND SO, UM, ANYWAY, TALKING TO JOSH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING EVER HAPPENED TO, TO US, UM, THAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO CONTROL YOUR OWN DESTINY THERE, BUT IT'S OUR INTENT TO FINISH THAT IN STAGES AS WE WORK THROUGH THE MEAT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO CONCEIVABLY THE SPINE MODE WILL BE COMPLETED YEARS FROM NOW.
I WELL, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
I MEAN, WE, WE IDEALLY N NO, LIKE IF, IF NONE OF THESE RETAILERS ON THE INTERIOR WE'RE FINDING OUT, ARE GONNA WANNA OPEN UNTIL DOT'S FINISHED.
SO WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE GONNA PARALLEL PROCESS WITH THAT PRO PROCESS.
AND LET'S JUST SAY WE LAND THE BIG FISH FOR PARCEL 10, WHICH WE'VE STAYED TRUE TO.
THEY'RE GOING TO TIME IT OUT JUST LIKE THE TRAVEL CENTER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY TO BE OPEN AT THE SAME TIME THAT ROAD WORK IS FINISHED, OR I SHOULD SAY NOT BEFORE THAT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF STUCK WITH THAT.
BUT ALL THE WHILE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE CAN DO TO, YOU KNOW, TO PROGRESS.
BUT, UM, IDEALLY THE WETLAND PERMITS IN HAND, THE ROADWAYS DESIGNED, IT'S PERMITTED, WE'RE GETTING OUR FEMA APPROVAL, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO IT, IT'S READY TO GO ALL THE WHILE.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SLOWING DOWN AT ALL.
IT'S A, IT'S A SIMILAR PROCESS TO WHAT YOU, WE WORKED THROUGH MR. MAYOR ON PROSPER DRIVE.
I MEAN IT'S IDENTICAL ACTUALLY.
SO, UH, IF THE COMPLETION OF THE SPINE ROAD WILL BE DEPENDENT UPON THE TIMETABLE OF YOU PROGRESSING WITH DEVELOPING PARCEL TEN NINE, UH, TEN NINE AND EIGHT.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT.
11 LOOKS LIKE IT'S PROGRESSING WELL.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'LL OVERDELIVER THERE 11.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WAS GONNA, TO YOUR POINT, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO GET ON THE RECORD 'CAUSE THERE'S AN EXISTING ROAD IMPROVEMENT SCHEDULE AS PART OF THAT 2022 AGREEMENT, WHICH I THINK PROVIDES FOR THE LATEST THAT THE SPINE ROAD COULD GO IN, CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW.
I, PART OF THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT, I'LL LOOK, I'M, I'LL LOOK BACK AND I KNOW KEVIN'S PROBABLY GOT IT PRINTED OUT, BUT, AND WE'LL STAND TRUE TO THAT IF THAT'S WHAT, BUT I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT PORTION IS WE'RE DO, WE'RE TAKING THE, THE BIG STEPS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE COMMITTED TO DOT, WE'VE SOLD THEM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE READY TO DEDICATE THAT TO THE CITY OR HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO IT.
I MEAN, I, HAS THAT PLAT BEEN RECORDED, KEVIN? UH, IT HAS BEEN.
SO YOU'VE GOT A RECORDED PLAT INDICATING WHERE THAT ROAD IS.
UH, WARD EDWARDS HAS DESIGNED ALL THE UTILITY NETWORK THROUGH THAT ROAD.
SO BOTTOM LINE, THERE'S NO TURNING BACK AT THIS POINT.
UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE PRUDENT THING TO DO IS WAIT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET THAT, THAT NAMED RETAILER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO FINISH THE INTERIOR THAT ULTIMATELY ACCELERATED THAT, IF YOU WERE CORRECT TO GET THAT IT GOES ONLINE MUCH FASTER.
I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO NAIL DOWN IS WHAT WOULD BE THE LATEST THAT, THAT WOULD COME ONLINE IF IT'S SPOKEN TO IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M LOOKING IT SAYS EXHIBIT E ROAD IMPROVEMENT
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SCHEDULE.YEAH, I THINK WHAT, WHATEVER WE COMMITTED TO EARLY ON, MY QUESTION, WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE DONE MM-HMM
AND THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION IS BECAUSE ALL ALONG THE SPINE ROAD WOULD TAKE SOME OF THE PRESSURE OFF OF THOSE CURB CUTS OFF JOHN SMITH ROAD.
SO UNTIL THAT SPINE ROAD'S DONE ALL THOSE PARCELS, 13, 17, 9, ALL THOSE 1400 HOMES RIGHT NOW HAVE ONLY ONE ACCESS ONTO JOHN SMITH ROAD AND THAT'S AT PINE ARBOR AND POTENTIALLY THEN THAT OTHER ROAD.
UM, BUT SO UNTIL THAT SPINE ROAD'S DONE 13 12, 11 17, ALL THOSE PARCELS MUST COME OUT ONTO JOHN SMITH ROAD ONCE THE, AND THIS WAS PART OF THE SELLING POINT WHEN THE SPINE ROAD'S DONE, THOSE PEOPLE CAN NOW, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE GOING NORTH, THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE SPINE ROAD, COME OUT OF THE LIGHT AT 2 78 AND HIT THE ACID FROM THERE.
SO THAT SPINE OPENING OF THE SPINE ROAD, AND THAT'S WHY I, I ASKED THE QUESTION IS IMPORTANT TO THE TOTAL TRAFFIC FLOW OF THIS PLAN AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED WHAT THE PLAN SCHEDULE IS TO HAVE IT COMPLETE.
WHAT WOULD BE THE EXPECTATION OF HAVING A LIGHT AND THE COMPLETION WHERE THE SPINE ROAD COMES OUT ONTO 2 78? DO WE HAVE, UH, ANY 2 78 WITH THE LIGHT? YEAH, THAT IS PLANNED TO BE DONE AT THE TIME THE WIDENING GETS UP TO EXIT EIGHT.
THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE EXIT EIGHT TO THE CONVERGING DIAMOND, THE WIDENING AND BUCKY'S IS ALL PLANNED FOR ABOUT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME TIME FIGURE FOUR TO FIVE YEARS.
SO THAT INTERSECTION IS ABOUT FIVE YEARS AWAY.
ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE YEARS AWAY.
ACCORDING TO DOT'S WIDENING SCHEDULE, MY UNDERSTANDING MR. MAYOR IS IT'S GONNA BE A YEAR PRIOR, THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO ACTIVATE THAT LIGHT PRIOR WHERE THE WIDENING UP THERE.
SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT SPINE ROAD COMPLETED WITHIN A VERY SHORT TIMEFRAME OF THAT HAPPENING.
UH, 'CAUSE I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR THAT, UH, THAT ACCESS DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO JOHN SMITH.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE IT FROM AN F TO A D, WE CAN LIVE WITH A D NOT COMPLETELY, BUT IF WE CAN ACCELERATE FOR THOSE FOLKS TO GET OUTTA THERE, AS I'M LOOKING AT THAT NOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT WHERE YOU'RE INITIALLY COMING INTO LOOKS LIKE PARCEL 16 B MM-HMM
AND YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THOSE PARCELS IN BETWEEN, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THAT, UH, ACCESS ROAD FROM WHAT IS ROAD A THAT RUNS BACK OVER THAT WAY.
I MEAN, I DON'T CARE IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN GET THOSE PEOPLE OUTTA 17, TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY AS, AS CAN BE BECAUSE HOW MANY, HOW MANY POSSIBLE ROOFTOPS ARE IN THOSE TWO, THREE PARCELS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE? THE DENSITY IS 1400.
BUT WHERE, BUT THAT'S THOSE TWO PARCELS.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT TWO, ABOUT 260 TO TWO 80.
WHICH, WHICH TWO KEVIN? THESE, I THINK A MAX OF 300, BUT IT'S, EVERYTHING'S TRENDING A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT.
YEAH, THOSE ARE THE ONES WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
AND REMEMBER THIS, MR. MESMAN AND MR. MAYOR, YOU THE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A TIA FOR, LET'S SAY WE COME IN WITH PARTIAL 13 AND IF THEY SAY YOU CAN'T FUNCTION SAFELY WITHOUT THE SPINE ROAD, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE.
SO I THINK EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, I KEEP SAYING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A, A, A CHECKS AND BALANCE, BUT, UM, AND, AND I THINK WE JUST STICK TO THE DA, WHAT WE AGREED TO AND WE WERE APPROVED ON, ON THIS, ON THE SPINE ROAD.
UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS GONNA BE COMING IN TO 2025 Y'ALL FOR AN IMP APPROVAL AND THEIR ACCESS.
WE HAVE TO DELIVER THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE HERE.
THAT'S WHERE THEIR CLUBHOUSE IS GONNA BE CONSTRUCTIONS FROM THIS SIDE.
AND THEN YOU COULD SEE THAT THIS LOOP IS NOT, UM, IS, IS, IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THE NEXT FIT STEP.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE CIRCULATION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU CAN DISPERSE IT A LITTLE BETTER.
SO THAT'S ALL COMING AND I THINK YOU, YOU KNOW, BY THEM COMING FORWARD, YOU'LL HAVE THAT, THAT VISION AND, AND THAT, UH, COMMITMENT EVENTUALLY WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DUMP SOME TRAFFIC OUT ONTO 2 78 MM-HMM
I MEAN, AND I AGREE WE CAN'T WAIT UNTIL EVERYTHING ELSE IS SOLD AND THEN DO IT, BUT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE TIME FRAME THAT'S IN THE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE.
I WAS GONNA, I, I THINK IT'S AN EXHIBIT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S SPECIFICALLY.
WE CAN SEE A SCENARIO WHERE YOU WOULD SAY, LOOK, WE'RE NOT
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GONNA GIVE YOU APPROVAL FOR SITE 15 UNTIL YOU COMPLETE THIS ROAD.EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, YOU'LL HAVE A BITE AT THE, A INCREMENT.
DID WE GET ALL SETTLED ON THE DRAINAGE OF THE PROPERTY? IS THAT ALL TAKEN CARE OF NOW? THE, THE, UH, OUTFLOW OF WATER AND ALL OF THAT? IS THAT ALL? I I THINK OUR, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, THE ANSWER IS YES.
WE, UM, WE'RE TAKING THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND OUR ENGINEERS HERE TONIGHT.
I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS STANDARD.
JUST TO ADDRESS MRS. GUZMAN'S CONCERN THERE.
WE, WE SUBMITTED A LETTER, JOSH, BACK IN DECEMBER, THE ENGINEER'S LETTER.
UH, THAT'LL BE FOR YOUR Y'ALL'S REVIEW NEXT WEEK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC? AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE ANYONE WATCHING FROM THE PUBLIC OR ONLINE TO, UH, ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
LANDON PEPE, 39 X AVENUE, RIGHT HERE IN HARDY V.
UM, JUST HAD A COUPLE COMMENTS.
UM, ONE, I, I WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD.
I, I DO LOVE THE IDEA OF THIS.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONCERNS WITH TRAFFIC, OBVIOUSLY AS ONE THAT TRAVELS JOHN SMITH EVERY SINGLE DAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE WIDENING OF THAT.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE POTENTIAL OF, OF ADDITIONAL RETAILERS COME HERE.
RIGHT NOW, AS A DOWNTOWN RESIDENT, MOST OF MY TAX DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT IN BEAUFORT COUNTY OR IN POOLER.
SO, UH, I'D MUCH RATHER THE RETAIL BE HERE IN JASPER COUNTY, IN THE CITY OF HARDY TO KEEP MY, MY DOLLARS LOCAL.
SO I, I DEFINITELY WOULD LOVE THE ADDITION OF RETAIL AND LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT WE CAN, WE CAN SUPPORT AS RESIDENT.
UM, I DID HAVE, UH, ONE QUESTION JUST IN KIND OF MY INVOLVEMENT THROUGH ALL THIS.
UM, IF THIS IS NOT APPROVED AT THE SECOND READING, IS THE CITY ON THE HOOK FOR ANYTHING SINCE IT WAS OR ORIGINALLY APPROVED TWO YEARS AGO? PRE IT? WELL, ARE WE ON THE HOOK FOR ANYTHING? I, I WOULD CAUTION.
I I THINK THAT'S A FAIRLY BROAD QUESTION SINCE IT WELL, SO, SO WHEN, SINCE IT WAS APPROVED ORIGINALLY YEAH.
I GUESS IS THREE, THREE CALENDAR YEARS OR WHATEVER MM-HMM.
IS, IS THE CITY, IS THE CITY PENALIZED FOR NOT APPROVING IT IN A SECOND READING, DO WE HAVE ANY FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY? THIS IS, THIS IS NOT APPROVING THE, OR DISAPPROVING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR, OR DEVELOPMENT.
THE PDD IF I UNDERSTAND THIS RIGHT, AND THIS IS A PROBABLY A LEGAL QUESTION.
THIS IS AN INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN, SOLELY INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT JUST, IT'S JUST APPROVING THE ROADWAY PLAN.
SO IF WE DON'T APPROVE THE ROADWAY PLAN, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'VE DISAPPROVED WHAT WE PASSED TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
AM I CORRECT IN SAYING THAT? YEAH, IT, I THINK IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION WITH ANY KIND OF CERTAINTY BECAUSE OF HOW MANY VARIABLES ARE INVOLVED.
BUT I THINK YOU'VE ACTUALLY ACCURATELY STATED WHAT PART OF THE PROCESS WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE, WE'RE, THIS IS AN INFRASTRUCTURE POINT.
IT NOT THE PDD IT'S NOT THE DA AGREEMENT, IT'S JUST THE, THE ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN.
AND JUST A SECOND, UH, RESIDENTS THAT I'VE TALKED TO, THE CITIZENS OF HARDY V, UM, WE DEFINITELY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, SO THANK YOU.
I THINK SHE HAS SOME, DO YOU HAVE SOMEBODY? YEAH, WE HAVE A QUESTION ONLINE.
UM, THE QUESTION IS FROM TYLER KE.
ARE THERE ANY PLANS FOR THE JOHN SMITH OVERPASS TO HAVE SIDEWALKS? YES.
THE, THE BRIDGE OVER, UH, 95 WILL HAVE SIDEWALKS ON IT.
THE WRECK TRACK, IT'S GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT AS WELL.
IT'S A, IT'S A DEDICATED, UH, MULTIPURPOSE PATH THAT'S GONNA FEED IT.
BUT, UH, IS THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE SIDEWALK OVER THE BRIDGE, BUT NOT OVER THE REST OF JOHN SMITH ROAD.
SO CAN YOU TALK ABOUT ONE INTERCONNECTIVITY WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF AND THEN CONNECTION TO THE PATHWAYS, IF ANY, OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF? YES.
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WE WERE PICKING UP THE, THIS TRAIL, THE RECREATIONAL TRAIL ALONG AT THE, AT THE WESTERN END OF THE PROJECT.AND IT'S GONNA GO DOWN THE ENTIRE STRETCH OF JOHN SMITH ROAD TO 2 78 IN THE 50 FOOT AVERAGE BUFFER.
SO IT'S GONNA MEANDER THROUGH THERE.
IT'S GONNA, UM, ALSO, THERE'S AN OBLIGATION TO COME UP AND ALONG ONE OF THE SIDES OF THE SPINE ROAD TO 2 78 AS WELL IN THIS POINT.
SO IT'LL FEED OFF INTO THE SIDE ROADS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S AN INTERNAL SIDEWALK NETWORK AS WELL CONTEMPLATED FOR ALL THE INTERNAL ROADS WHICH ARE REQUIRED FOR THE PDD.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE GOOD PEDESTRIAN, UH, INTERCONNECTIVITY FLOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? THAT'S IT.
ANY QUE OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? NO, THIS WILL BE ON THE AGENDA ON THURSDAY.
WE ON THE AGENDA NEXT THURSDAY? UM, 16TH.
[III. ADJOURNMENT]
YOU.DO WE NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN? WE NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN.