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LORD, THANK FOR BRINGING US HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE HOLIDAYS, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PUBLIC THAT HAVE COME HERE TODAY IN, IN LARGE NUMBERS.
AND LORD, HELP US TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS TODAY THAT BENEFITS EVERYBODY HERE.
I PLEDGE ALL ATORY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO LINK FOR MR. SAND ONE, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, THE INDIVIDUAL HOPE WOULD
ALRIGHT, FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS.
MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE AGENDA AS WRITTEN.
MOTION CARRIES OLD BUSINESS APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION? I HAVE NONE.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? SO MOVED.
WELCOME TO THE AUDIENCE TODAY.
UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO THINK OTHERWISE, THERE IS NO DOOR PRIZE TODAY,
SO FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS, WE ARE GOING TO DO AN OVERVIEW OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT THE CITY HAS COMMISSIONED ALONG THE I TWO OR THE 2 78 CORRIDOR.
MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENTS WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO TODAY, IN FACT, HAVE IMPACT ON THIS.
SO WE THOUGHT WE'D START OUT WITH THAT.
MATT? MATT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD US OFF? WELCOME.
THIS ON MATT DAVIS, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
UM, YEAH, AS AS YOU SAID, MR. SIPPEL.
I'M JUST GONNA TRY TO GIVE EVERYONE A KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF ALL THE TRANSPORTATION WORK AND IMPROVEMENTS AND STUDIES AND PLANS THAT ARE GOING ON, HOW WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS PROACTIVE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE EVEN GO A LITTLE BEYOND JUST 2 78 AS WELL, JUST TO KIND OF PAINT THE BIG PICTURE WHERE I DON'T PLAN TO GET INTO SUPER SPECIFICS RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD TO KIND OF SET THE STAGE.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL KIND OF GET STARTED.
UH, THIS FIRST SLIDE, THERE'S A LOT OF TEXT.
I DON'T NORMALLY DO THAT, BUT I THINK IT WAS JUST IMPORTANT TO LIST IT OUT TO MAKE THAT IMPACT THAT THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THAT WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
SO THERE'S JUST A WHOLE LIST OF IT REAL BRIEFLY, UM, KIND OF IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER, BUT NOT EXACTLY.
BUT WE, UH, ARJUN BOULEVARD CORRIDOR STUDY.
UM, WE INSTALLED THE SIGNAL AT, UH, 2 78 LATITUDE, LAKESIDE BOULEVARDS.
UH, WE DID THE US 2 78 STUDY THAT YOU, YOU REFERENCED, UH, WHICH IS A, A BIG PART OF WHAT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY.
UH, THAT WAS DONE BY KIMLEY HORN.
THAT GOES THE WHOLE WAY FROM US 17 TO ARJUN BOULEVARD.
BEAUFORT COUNTY HAD, UM, DONE THE REST OF 2 78 FROM ARJUN BOULEVARD THE WHOLE WAY TO, UM, TO, UM, ONE 70.
THEY HAD DONE A STUDY RECENTLY, SO THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT WHOLE SECTION.
UM, ALL THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WE RECEIVED, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECEIVES, S-C-D-O-T, ET CETERA.
UM, OBVIOUSLY REVIEWED IN-HOUSE IT REVIEWED BY DOT, BUT WE ARE ALSO NOW WE HAVE A THIRD PARTY THAT WE HAVE REVIEW THOSE AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT MISSING ANYTHING THAT'S, UM, PAID FOR BY THE DEVELOPER, BUT IT'S A BUT IT'S A, A VENDOR OF, UM, CONSULTANT OF OUR CHOICE, OUR CHOOSING.
UM, AND THERE'S FOUR LISTED THERE, THE ONES SO FAR WE'VE DONE THAT WITH.
UM, ACTUALLY ALSO THE, THE, UH, THE BUCKY SITE PLAN AS WELL.
UH, I'M GONNA TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE SC DOT WIDENING OF 95 AND VARIOUS INTERCHANGE IMPROVEMENTS.
CITY ALSO HAD A FINANCIAL STAKE IN SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AT, UH, SC ONE 70 THAT HAVE HAPPENED AND ARE ONGOING.
WE INSTALLED THE TEMPORARY SIGNAL AT ARGENT NEW RIVER, EAST SERGEANT PARKWAY.
WE ARE STILL PERMITTING THE FULL, THE FULL INTERSECTION THERE.
THERE'S GONNA BE ADDITIONAL TURN LANES, BUT THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A TEMPORARY SIGNAL THERE AND GET SOME IMMEDIATE RELIEF.
UH, AGAIN, THE, UH, THE NEW, THE FAMOUS INTERSECTION, THAT'S BEEN THE BANE IN MY EXISTENCE.
UM, WE ARE WORKING THROUGH IT THERE AT ORIGIN SHORTCUT JASPER STATION.
THERE'S RIGHT OF WAY TO ACQUIRE.
WE'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH ONE PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER ACQUIRING THE FINAL PIECE OF RIGHT OF WAY.
WE EXPECT TO GET THAT WRAPPED UP VERY SOON.
THEN WE'LL GET THAT PROJECT OUT TO BID.
THAT'S GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT PROJECT, PROBABLY IN EXCESS OF $5 MILLION.
UM, A LOT OF, A LOT OF CHANGES THERE WILL, IT'LL ALIGN THOSE TWO CROSS STREETS.
IT ALSO INVOLVES THE RELOCATION OF A-B-J-W-S-A WATERLINE ALMOST A HALF MILE.
UM, IT'S JUST, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
UM, ALSO, WE RECENTLY JUST PUT OUT A BID AND ACCEPTED BIDS FOR THE, UM, UH, LENGTHENING THE TURN
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LANES AND A, UM, AND ADDING AN ADDITIONAL TWO LEFT TURN LANES AT, UH, US 2 78 LATITUDE, LAKESIDE BOULEVARDS.WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT BID RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT SHOULD START WORK IN THE RELATIVELY NEAR FUTURE IN THE NEXT, I'D SAY MONTH OR TWO FOR SURE.
UM, THAT SHOULD HELP WITH SOME OF THE BACKUPS THERE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE'S, UH, SIGNIFICANT BACKUPS IN THE MORNING RIGHT NOW HEADED EASTBOUND AT THAT INTERSECTION.
UM, WHAT A LOT OF FOLKS MAY NOT KNOW IS THAT BEAUFORT COUNTY ACTUALLY CONTROLS THE SIGNAL TIMING WHEN THOSE SIGNALS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE IN JASPER COUNTY.
UM, SO S-C-D-O-T I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.
THEY HAVE GIVEN US TO WORK WITH, UM, GIVEN US PERMISSION TO WORK WITH BEAUFORT COUNTY DIRECTLY IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.
MAYBE EXTEND THE, THE GREEN TIME ON SOME OF THAT THROUGH TRAFFIC DURING THAT PEAK HOUR IN THE MORNING.
SO TO HOPEFULLY ELIMINATE SOME OF THOSE BACKUPS.
AND THAT'S ALSO THE THOUGHT BEHIND LENGTHENING.
THERE'S TURN LANES AND ADDING ADDITIONAL TURN LANES IS, UM, YOU GET THAT, THAT TRAFFIC, THERE'S TURN THAT TURNING TRAFFIC OUTTA THE THROUGH LANE 'CAUSE IT BACKS UP.
SO YOU CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL GREEN LI GREEN TIME 1 2 78.
THAT'LL ALSO, UM, PROVIDE THAT FI THAT, UM, DEDICATED LEFT TURN ARROW INTO HILTON HEAD LAKES.
THAT'S A DIFFICULT MOVEMENT RIGHT NOW, AS WE ALL KNOW.
UM, ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU HAVE TWO TURN LANES, IT HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, DEDICATED LEFT.
UM, S 2 78 ARGENT, THAT IS, THAT IS AN SC DOT PROJECT.
HOWEVER, WE, THE CITY ARE THE ONES WHO PROVED TO DOT THAT IT WAS NECESSARY.
THE FIRST THING ON THE LIST, AS WE SAID, THE ARJUN BOULEVARD CORRIDOR STUDY, UM, WE WERE SURPRISED THAT DOT WAS SHOCKED THAT INTER A LIGHT WAS NEEDED THERE.
NOW, THIS WAS LIKE TWO YEARS AGO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO NOW, BUT WE WERE LIKE, DO YOU NEVER COME DOWN HERE? BUT ANYWAY,
UM, BUT WE PROVED IT TO 'EM WITH NUMBERS, SO THAT WAS GOOD.
SO THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN TWO YEARS AGO.
AT THAT TIME, THEY WERE, ALL THEY WERE GONNA DO WAS PUT UP A SIGNAL WITH NO LANE IMPROVEMENTS AT ALL.
THEY COULDN'T GET ANYONE TO DO THE WORK AT THAT TIME.
IN HINDSIGHT, IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD THING BECAUSE THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S ALL THEY WERE GONNA DO.
NOW, THE SIGNAL THEY, THEY'RE GONNA BID THIS OUT, I'VE BEEN TOLD IN JUNE, IT WILL EXTEND THAT LEFT TURN LANE.
AS WE ALL KNOW NOW, TRAFFIC BACKS UP SOMETIMES TO OC WELCH, SO THAT TURN LANE IS GONNA BE EXTENDED.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, NO TWO LEFT TURNS THERE.
NOT NOW, I THINK IN THE, IN THE FUTURE, YES, SIR.
BUT NOT, NOT IN THE IMMEDIATE TERM, NO, BECAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOT TWO LANES TO RECEIVE IT ON ORIGIN AT THIS TIME.
HOW, HOW LONG IS THAT ONE GONNA BE IN LENGTH? I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S NOT OUR PROJECT AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THE PLANS YET.
I, I CAN FIND THAT OUT FOR YOU.
I JUST, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY A SHORT YES, IT'S VERY, WE'RE RIGHT.
SO IF WE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SIGNAL, IT'LL CREATE SOME MORE ADDITIONAL TIME.
SO THAT SHOULD HELP WITH THE QUEUING AS WELL.
AND THEN FINALLY, IMPROVEMENTS ON US 17 AS PART OF THE BUCKIES PROJECT.
SO I JUST WANT TO SHOW A FEW THINGS.
SO THIS IS KINDA THE OVERVIEW OF THE WIDENING AND EXIT EIGHT.
UM, IT'S, AND AGAIN, INTO DETAIL A LITTLE LATER, BUT THIS IS, UM, SO THIS IS, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY I 95 AND US 2 78.
UM, FOR THOSE IN THE ROOM WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR, THIS IS CALLED A DIVERGENT DIAMOND.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, IF YOU'RE WESTBOUND ON US 2 78 AND SAY YOU WANT TO GO TOWARDS SAVANNAH, YOU WILL STOP HERE.
THERE'LL BE A SIGNAL HERE, AND THEN THERE'LL BE TWO BRIDGES.
SO YOU'LL BE ON THE LEFT, YOU'LL BE ON, ON THIS, AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE A FREE FLOWING LEFT TURN ONTO I 95 SOUTHBOUND.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE REVERSE HEADING NORTHBOUND, UM, IT'S, IT'S MORE EFFICIENT ALLOWS THOSE, THOSE, THOSE, UH, TURNING MOVEMENTS TO BE MADE MORE SMOOTHLY.
UM, ALSO, THE OTHER BIG THING IS THAT, UH, THE LIGHT THAT'S CURRENTLY AT MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE, IF YOU'RE THERE AT SOMETIMES IN THE MORNING, YOU ALSO SEE TRAFFIC BACKS UP ONTO THE, UM, OFF RAMP.
ONTO I 95, BECAUSE THAT SIGNAL'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THE, TO THE UNDER, TO THE, UH, TO THE OFF RAMP.
SO THAT'S GONNA MOVE TO THIS LOCATION HERE, WHERE THERE'LL BE A NEW SIGNAL.
WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY A RELOCATED SIGNAL, NOT NEW.
IT'LL BE MOVED FROM HERE TO HERE.
THEN YOU'LL HAVE WHAT, INSTEAD OF A FRONTAGE ROAD, IT'S CALLED A BACKAGE ROAD.
AND THIS ROAD WILL BE CONSTRUCTED, AND THAT'S HOW YOU'LL ACCESS THESE BUSINESSES.
THE, UH, CIRCLE K, THE, THE DUNCAN, MCDONALD'S, ET CETERA.
AND THEN CONVERSELY, THIS SAME THING WITH THE, THE, UH, BUSINESSES ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THEY'LL COME HERE, THEY'LL GO AROUND THIS ROUNDABOUT ON BRICKYARD AND COME OUT, THERE'S A DRIVEWAY OVER HERE, AND, UM, YOU'LL ACCESS BROOKS WILLIS DRIVE.
AND THAT WAS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE DID.
WE, WE IMPROVED BROOKS WILLIS DRIVE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, IF YOU REMEMBER.
THAT WAS JUST A, A GOAT PATH PRACTICALLY.
AND WE, AND WE PAID TO HAVE THAT DONE.
SO THAT'S, THAT WAS GOOD AND DONE IN ANTICIPATION OF ALL THESE, THESE, UH, ALL THIS WORK.
AND THEN FINALLY ON THE, UM, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE OR THE, UH, THIS KIND OF SAME THING, UM, YOU'LL HAVE A ROAD THAT TO GET TO THESE BUSINESSES HERE, LIKE BURRITO EXPRESS AND, UH, THE, UM, THE GOLF BALL PLAY, THE GOLF PLACE, UM, YOU'LL, YOU'LL TURN OFF OF US 17 AND ENTER THROUGH THE BACK.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY COMMON.
A LOT OF PLACES IN THE COUNTRY.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE MOST STAY SAFEST
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AND MOST EFFICIENT MOVEMENT.UM, AND THEN THIS IS JUST KIND OF A, KIND OF ZOOMS IN AGAIN ON THAT, THAT DIVERGING DIAMOND.
AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE HOW IT WOULD WORK IF YOU'RE HEADING, LIKE, LIKE I SAY, IT'S TOWARDS SAVANNAH, YOU'D STOP HERE, YOU GET THE GREEN LIGHT, YOU COME DOWN, THEN YOU JUST FREE FLOW RIGHT ON IN SOUTHBOUND.
UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT, SIR.
UH, ON THE SOUTHBOUND LANE TURN IN FROM THE TWO, THE GOLF BALL OUTLET, CAN YOU PLEASE PUT THAT ON THAT BUSINESS RIGHT THERE? MM-HMM
WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, AND, AND THESE FOLKS ARE ABOUT TO HAVE A LOT OF COMPETITION.
THE FIRST LANE THAT IS THERE IS EXISTING WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
BUT THE SECOND LANE, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE DONE AWAY WITH THEIR SECOND LANE, UH, FOR THEIR BUSINESS, WHICH IS GONNA REALLY BOTTLENECK THAT BUSINESS AND MAKE IT VERY HARD FOR THOSE FOLKS TO COMPETE.
AND SINCE THERE IS A DRIVE THAT WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IN, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE REMOVED THE SECOND DRIVE.
AND I COULD SEE WHERE THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM FOR THOSE FOLKS.
UH, VERY SIGNIFICANT TO THEIR BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT THEY'RE ABOUT TO GET A BUNCH OF COMPETITION.
DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M REFERRING TO? YEAH, I, I KNOW DO T'S BEEN WORKING WITH ALL THOSE BUSINESSES.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, OUR PROJECT.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, AND THEY ALSO, YOU ALL CAN ALSO GET TO THE BACK.
THERE'LL BE THAT, THERE'LL BE THAT ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY FROM THE REAR AS WELL.
YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO LIKE, SAY, TURN LEFT.
UM, AS FAR AS GETTING OUT, THEY'LL HAVE TO CIRCLE THROUGH THOSE GAS ISLANDS AND GO BACK TO THE LEFT TO HIT, UH, 2 78 RATHER THAN HAVE, THEY'RE GONNA, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GONNA DO AWAY WITH THEIR SECOND DRIVE THAT THEY'VE HAD AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE.
THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE, UM, SOME OF THESE, THESE MOVEMENTS OVER HERE AS WELL.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S AN S-E-D-O-T THING.
I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ALL THOSE BUSINESSES, BUT YOUR POINT'S WELL TAKEN, UM, THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH IT.
SO THOSE BUSINESSES, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO EXIT OR ENTER THOSE BUSINESSES FROM 2 78.
UH, I BELIEVE HERE YOU CAN TAKE A RIGHT IN, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T GO LEFT BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE A MEDIAN.
BUT AGAIN, THERE WOULD BE THIS, THIS DRIVEWAY IN THE BACK.
YOU CAN GET OUT TO 17 AND THEN GO WHERE YOU NEED TO GO.
YEAH, I SEE WHAT RICK IS SAYING NOW.
YEAH, THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S GONNA REALLY KNOCK.
YEAH, I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL AWARE OF IT.
AND I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF EQUIVALENT TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT HERE TO GET THAT'S RIGHT TO THE HOTEL.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S S-C-D-O-T AND FEDERAL HIGHWAY WORKING WITH THOSE BUSINESSES TO COME UP WITH THE BEST SOLUTION.
SO I'M JUST KIND OF PASSING THAT ALONG.
ALL RIGHT, THEN AGAIN, THIS IS, UM, THIS IS S 17 2 78, 2 7 2 17 HERE.
UM, I'M SORRY, 17 HERE, 2 17, 17.
UM, THE BUCKY'S SIDE WILL BE UP HERE.
THERE'LL BE TWO LEFT TURNS, GET ON 2 78.
UM, AND THERE'LL BE A SIGNAL THERE.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER PART OF THE, AGAIN, THE, UH, THE WIDENING PROJECT.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS THE BEST DRAWING I HAVE.
THIS IS THE BUCKYS SITE, AGAIN, US 17 NORTH TO SOUTH.
AND THEN ALONG 17, THERE'LL BE TWO ROUNDABOUTS TO ACCESS BOTH THE BUCKYS AND THEN THERE'S SOME OTHER OUT PARCELS AS WELL THAT'LL, THAT'LL BE DEVELOPED POTENTIALLY OTHER RESTAURANTS, HOTELS, ET CETERA.
THEY HAVEN'T BROUGHT THOSE FORWARD YET.
UH, THIS IS ALL GONNA BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE EXIT EIGHT.
AND IT'S GONNA BE A MESS FOR A WHILE, ISN'T IT? IT, THERE'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE GROWING PAINS.
THERE'S GONNA BE GROWING PAINS.
UM, THEY'VE, THEY'VE GOT IT ALL PHASED OUT.
BUT YES, THERE WILL BE, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME PAIN POINTS, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT WE HAVE THOSE NOW TOO, SO, OH YEAH.
AT LEAST IF WE HAVE A SOLUTION WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS ON THE, UM, THE EAST, EAST SIDE.
THIS IS, OH, SORRY, THIS IS, UM, THIS IS THAT NEW INTER, THAT'S THE, THE LIGHT THAT'S BEING RELOCATED FROM MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE.
UM, AND THEN HERE YOU HAVE THE ROUNDABOUT, YOU GO TO THE HOSPITAL UP THIS WAY, AND THEN OF COURSE YOU GET, ALSO GET ON BRICKYARD AS WELL.
AND THIS WILL TAKE YOU, THEN YOU GET A SERGEANT JASPER PARK, ET CETERA, THE SCHOOLS.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHERE THAT'S GONNA BE.
AND THEN THIS IS JUST KIND OF AN OVERVIEW.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT A LOT GOING ON.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, MARGARITAVILLE HERE, THE CAR TRACKED, EAST SERGEANT ARGENT, WEST HILTON HEAD LAKES IN HERE, THE MORGAN TRACK, AND THEN VARIOUS OTHER SMALLER PROJECTS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON.
UM, JUST, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AWARE OF IT.
WE'RE TRYING, WE'VE HAD, UM, JUST EVERYONE IS AWARE.
WE HAVE MET MULTIPLE TIMES WITH ALL THESE BIG DEVELOPERS, GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANY OF THIS IN A VACUUM.
WE ARE, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, PUSHING FORWARD A PLAN TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, TAKE ALL THIS INTO ACCOUNT SO WE'RE NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL.
UM, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN WITH THAT AND WITH COORDINATION.
UH, AGAIN, HARDENING BACK TO THAT STUDY THAT, UH, MR. SEBEL TALKED ABOUT.
CERTAINLY THERE'S A SIGNAL WARRANTY THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, RIGHT NOW, THE DEVELOPER HAS STEPPED UP AND IS
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WILLING TO FRONT THE ENTIRE BILL TO START DES DESIGN AND, AND BUILD THAT INTERSECTION LIKE NOW.SO WE SHOULD FINALIZE THAT, THAT AGREEMENT PRETTY SOON.
AND WE, AND WORK, WELL, I SHOULD SAY THE, THE FIELD WORK, WE'LL START ON THAT AND WE CAN HOPEFULLY START MOVING THAT PROJECT FORWARD AS WELL.
UM, THAT, THAT'D BE A VERY GOOD THING FOR A LOT OF FOLKS, UM, THAT, THAT'S A VERY DIFFICULT MOVEMENT, HAS BEEN FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW.
IS THAT GONNA BE DONE BEFORE JOHN SMITH IS CLOSED FOR THE TWO SEVEN? WELL, JOHN SMITH WILL BE CLOSED AT THE BRIDGE.
WELL, YEAH, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, WILL THAT, WILL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS BE DONE BEFORE THEY CLOSE IT FOR THE BRIDGE? I DOUBT IT.
I DOUBT IT, BUT I, I CAN'T SPLIT THAT.
UM, 'CAUSE I MEAN, THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN DESIGNED YET, THEN IT HAS TO BE PERMITTED.
BUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY JOHN SMITH WILL BE RIGHT.
THAT WAS SOMETHING, I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT THE BRIDGE OVER THE JOHN SMITH ROAD BRIDGE OVER 95 WILL BE REPLACED.
IT'S GONNA BE ANGLED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, UM, AS IT CROSSES I 95.
SO THAT IS GONNA CLOSE FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME.
I THINK THEY'VE ESTIMATED, WHAT, NINE MONTHS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ABLE TO TURN DOWN JOHN SMITH AND GO ON PINE ARBOR OR, UH, IF YOU'RE GOING, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO THAT WAY AND COME BACK INTO HARDY V.
YOU CAN GO UP TO 17 AND COME INTO HARDY V, BUT FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME THAT WILL BE CLOSED.
UM, AND DOT'S GOT ALL THAT PHASING.
UM, THIS IS THE MORGAN TRACT, UM, JUST SHOWING AGAIN, THEY HAVE A COUPLE ACCESS POINTS ON US, 2 78 LOOKING AT AN ADDITIONAL SIGNAL, UM, AT, AT ONE INTERSECTION.
AND THEN TWO OTHER NONS SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS.
UM, DOT IS CERTAINLY AWARE, HAS VIEWED ALL THAT.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE SIGNAL SPACING, UM, WITH THE ADDITIONAL LIGHT AT JOHN SMITH, THE SIGNAL AT MARGARITAVILLE, AND THEN ANOTHER SIGNAL HERE.
THEY'LL BE COORDINATED AND, AND TIMED PROPERLY.
THEN THERE'S UNSIGNED INTERSECTIONS.
UM, WHEN YOU CREATE THOSE, THOSE GAPS, YOU KNOW, THOSE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE USED AS WELL.
AND TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC DISTRIBUTION IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING.
IF YOU HAVE EVERYONE GOING TO THE SAME INTERSECTION, IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE WORSE.
AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE A FEW ACCESS POINTS ONTO JOHN SMITH ROAD, AND THEN THAT GOES TO SOUTH POINT, WHICH IS BETWEEN I 95 AND JOHN SMITH ROAD, AND BETWEEN MORGAN AND JOHN AND, UM, AND SOUTH POINT, WE ARE, WE ARE ALIGNING THESE TWO ACCESS POINTS.
THERE'LL PROBABLY BE ONE SIGNAL AT, AT THE ONE INTERSECTION, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS MORE THAN LIKELY GOING TO BE A ROUNDABOUT WHEN ON JOHN SMITH ROAD.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE PLAN THERE.
AND DOT HAS, HAS REVIEWED THAT AS WELL.
I MEAN, THESE AREN'T FINALIZED YET, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRENDING.
AND THEN FINALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST OR WEST A UM, CERTAINLY A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT ROAD A.
IT'S BEEN REVAMPED SIGNIFICANTLY.
BUT, UM, THERE'S OPTION TO ACCESS, UH, RED DAM ROAD TO THE NORTH HERE, TRAVEL DOWN RED DAM ROAD.
IT JUST PROVIDES ANOTHER MEANS OF, OF, OF INGRESS AND EGRESS TRAVEL DOWN RED DAM ROAD TO INTERSECT WITH BRICKYARD.
YOU COULD EITHER, THEN, IF YOU WANT, YOU COULD, YOU COULD HEAD TOWARDS THAT NEW INTERSECTION IS GONNA BE OVER HERE.
OR YOU COULD ALSO, UH, COME DOWN TO JOHN SMITH, WHICH WILL ALSO BE IMPROVED ON THIS SIDE OF, OF US 2 78.
AND THEN, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS THE LAKE LATE LATITUDE LAKE SIDE, UM, 2 78 INTERSECTION.
AGAIN, AS WE SAID, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO TURN, TWO LEFT TURNING LANES, BOTH DIRECTIONS THAT SHOULD HELP SIGNIFICANTLY.
THOSE LANES ARE EACH 400 FEET LONG, SO THAT'S A GOOD BIT OF STORAGE.
UM, THEN THIS IS THE, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE EXACT PLANS.
THIS IS SORT OF A SPECULATION, BUT THIS IS KIND OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, 2 78 AT, UH, AT ARJUN BOULEVARD AS WELL, THAT AT CDOT PROJECT.
AND THEN THIS IS, UM, WHAT IS THIS, UM, OH, SORRY, THIS IS ACTUALLY LABELED INCORRECTLY, BUT IT'S THE AR BOULEVARD SHORTCUT JASPER STATION INTERSECTION.
JUST SHOWS YOU HOW THOSE ROADS ARE NOW BEING REALIGNED.
THERE'LL BE TURN LANES, UM, AND, AND A, AND A SIGNAL HERE AS WELL.
SO, UM, THAT AGAIN, SHOULD BE OUT THE BID IN THE NEXT, I, I DON'T WANNA PREDICT, BUT VERY SOON, AS SOON AS WE WRAP UP THAT RIGHT OF WAY PIECE, UM, AND, AND THAT'LL HELP WITH THAT ROAD AS WELL.
AND THEN LONG TERM, CERTAINLY, UM, ARJUN BOULEVARD IS, IS A PRIORITY OF THE CITY.
UM, I THINK WITH THE, WITH THE PASSING OF THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX AND CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY, I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA TRY TO WORK UP A PROJECT FOR ARJUN BOULEVARD AS PART OF KIND OF THAT PART OF, OF, WE IN CONJUNCTION WITH BEAUFORT COUNTY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRIANGLE PROJECT 1 72, 78 ARGENT.
UM, AND WE CAN GET STARTED ON THAT AND, AND, AND DO WHAT WE CAN, OUR PIECE OF IT.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AGAIN, WE DON'T WANNA GET SUPER DETAILED, YOU'VE GOT A BIG AGENDA, BUT JUST TRYING TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE AWARE, WE'RE WORKING ON IT, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK, BE LOOK AT THIS HOLISTICALLY AND NOT JUST PIECEMEAL.
I ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION, AND I
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THINK YOU ANSWERED IT.THE LEFT TURN INTO HILTON HEAD LAKES MM-HMM
THAT SIGNAL'S GONNA BE A GREEN, NOT A BLINKING.
ONCE YOU GO TO THOSE TWO LEFT TURNS.
IT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DEDICATED, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID, DEDICATED LEFT, SAID.
AND WE, WE'VE BEEN PUSHING DOT FOR SOME TIME TO, TO MAKE THAT A DEDICATED LEFT NOW, AND BECAUSE I, I'VE WATCHED PEOPLE TAKE OFF.
I KNOW IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT PARTICULARLY WITH, BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE UP TO PRETTY HIGH SPEED APPROACHING THAT INTERSECTION HEADED WESTBOUND.
WE'RE GONNA LET THE PUBLIC ASK QUESTIONS.
THIS WAS, I THINK REALLY JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T, I DON'T MIND ASKING QUESTIONS, BUT I KNOW YOU HAVE A BIG MEETING.
YOU GOT A LOT OF AGENDA ITEMS. I DON'T THINK IF WE, MAYBE YOU JUST WANNA HOLD YOUR QUESTIONS FOR THE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTS.
IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS, GET 'EM TO US.
IF YOU'LL HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY PERTAINING TO THIS MEETING, PLEASE REACH OUT.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY YOUR QUESTIONS AS BEST I CAN.
AND JUST FOR THE DISCLAIMER, I AM NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT FOR SOME REASON I'VE BECOME TRAFFIC FOR HARDY V SO, AND WORKING WITH OUR, OUR PARTNERS, SO, UM, YOU'RE THE EXPERT.
WELL, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN AROUND THIS FOR 30 YEARS, BUT I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, SO I ALWAYS PUT THAT CAVEAT IN THERE.
ALL RIGHT, THEN THAT TAKES US DOWN TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR THE PDD DISTRICT.
WE APPROVED THE PDD AS GATEWAY CROSSINGS.
UH, THEY WANT TO MOVE A SECTION OF IT FOR MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING IN THERE.
SO THAT'S A PIECE OF THE PDD PLUS A PIECE OF CITY LAND, SO, ALRIGHT, GOOD MORNING.
UH, JOE DUFFY, SENIOR PLANNER, HAPPY NEW YEAR.
UM, I AM ACTUALLY HERE TO TALK ABOUT BOTH AGENDA ITEMS B AND C, UM, WHICH ARE, UM, TWO SEPARATE PARCELS, UM, FOR WHICH, UH, ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IS PROPOSED.
UM, PARCEL ONE, UH, REFERRED TO, UM, IN OUR STAFF REPORT AS THE MAIN STREET PARCEL IS OWNED BY THE CITY, IT IS PRESENTLY ZONED, UH, CONSERVATION PRESERVATION.
UM, AND WE'LL ALSO BE TALKING ABOUT, UH, A PORTION OF, UH, THE, THE PARCEL LABELED AS SUMTER DRIVE, UM, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE CITY PARCEL.
SO HERE IS THE PRESENT ZONING MAP, UM, OF THE AREA, UM, OF THAT LARGER SUMTER DRIVE PARCEL LABELED.
WE'RE ACTUALLY ONLY GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT A THREE ACRE SECTION OF IT, UM, RIGHT UP AGAINST, UH, THE CORNER THERE IN THE NORTHERN MOST SECTION OF YOUR MAP.
UM, WE'VE GOT, UM, THIS IS MAIN STREET RIGHT HERE.
UM, IT'S THE CEMETERY RIGHT THERE.
AND SUMTER DRIVE IS ACTUALLY AN UNPAVED ROAD, UM, RIGHT OFF CROSSINGS BOULEVARD OVER HERE.
AND, UM, THIS IS THE QT MARKET ON US.
UM, ALL THIS IS SOUTH OF DOWNTOWN AND I 95.
SO THE GATEWAY CROSSINGS PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WAS, UM, APPROVED IN 2022.
UM, THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE THREE ACRE AREA OF THE SUMTER DRIVE PARCEL, UM, WHICH HAS BEEN PLATTED OUT, UM, AT THIS POINT.
AND IS, UH, WE'RE TREATING THAT AS ITS OWN PARCEL.
UH, THIS IS THE MAIN STREET PARCEL, UM, OWNED BY THE CITY.
UM, AND THE REZONING IS, IS TO REZONE THESE, BOTH OF THESE PARCELS TO MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL EXISTING CONDITIONS.
UM, SO THIS, IF YOU GO BACK HERE, UM, ALONG MOORE STREET, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UH, PERPENDICULAR ROADS THAT ABUT INTO THE VACANT LAND.
UM, ONE OF WHICH IS, UH, JOHN STREET HERE.
UM, ALL OF THESE STREETS BASICALLY LOOK THE SAME.
UM, YOU OBVIOUSLY THE, THE SIGN LABELS THAT THE ROAD ENDS RIGHT THERE.
AND, AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A CANAL THERE TOO.
SO THERE'S A BIT OF A GEOGRAPHIC BUFFER.
THIS IS THE, BASICALLY A CUL-DE-SAC RIGHT WHERE SUMTER DRIVE, UH, WOULD BEGIN.
UM, THERE'S A, A SMALL HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THERE, UH, WHICH ALSO ABUTS THE CANAL.
UH, IT'S JUST ANOTHER END OF WHERE, UH, CROSSING BOULEVARD ENDS IN THAT, IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.
UM, HERE ARE THE PRESENT CONDITIONS FOR SUMTER DRIVE.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ASPHALT ENDS.
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UM, AND THAT IS CURRENTLY PAVED.UM, SO IN, IN CONSIDERING THE REZONING, UM, STAFF LOOKED AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, AS WELL AS OUR OTHER PLANS.
UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES RECOMMEND A FUTURE LAND USE FOR THIS AREA AS RESIDENTIAL IN OUR LAND USE ELEMENT SECTION.
UM, THE HOUSING ELEMENT SECTION, UH, PROVIDED SOME FURTHER, UM, ANALYSIS SUGGESTING THAT WE CONSIDER, UH, OFFERING THE PUBLIC A GREATER SUPPLY OF AFFORDABLE AND OR ATTAINABLE HOUSING OPTIONS.
UM, HOUSING ELEMENT ALSO SUGGESTED WE LOOK AT DIFFERENT VARIETIES OF HOUSING BEYOND JUST STRAIGHT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, PARTICULARLY, UH, CLOSE.
AND IN AROUND THE DOWNTOWN AREA HOUSING ELEMENT ALSO SUGGESTED WE PURSUE MORE CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIPS.
SO WITH WORKING WITH NONPROFIT PARTNERS AS WELL AS FOR-PROFIT PARTNERS.
UM, JUST GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE CREATIVE WITH HOW WE STRUCTURE SOME OF THESE ARRANGEMENTS.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD, UH, MASTER PLAN.
UM, WHICH IF YOU RECALL FROM THAT PLAN, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE'RE NOT, THAT THESE PARCELS AREN'T TECHNICALLY IN DOWNTOWN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE BY, UM, WE FELT THAT, UH, IT MIGHT BE BRINGING MORE DENSITY, UH, WOULD SUPPORT SOME OF THE BUSINESSES AND, AND REALLY HELP LEAD TO THAT ECONOMIC, UH, REVITALIZATION THAT, UH, THAT PLAN CALLS FOR.
AND, UM, THIS, THE REZONING WOULD ENABLE THE CITY TO, UM, FURTHER SOME OF THOSE MORE CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIPS.
UM, JUST TO REVIEW, UM, SHOULD PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS FOR EACH OF THESE PARCELS.
UH, THAT WOULD THEN PROCEED ONTO CITY COUNCIL, UM, FOR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL AS WELL.
UM, AT WHICH POINT, UM, SHOULD THAT BE APPROVED? UH, THE STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REALLY TAILORING THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, BUT, UM, AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE, UH, THE PROJECT TEAM FROM WARD EDWARDS, UH, TO ANSWER ANY MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL.
UM, SO I KNOW WE'VE GOT MR. POWELL AND PERHAPS SOME OTHERS HERE TODAY.
UH, IT'S WILLIE POWELL WITH WARD EDWARDS ENGINEERING.
ALSO GOT DWAYNE AS RDE AS WELL, UH, FROM THE GROUP THAT'S LOOKING TO HELP WORK WITH THE CITY TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.
SO ACTUALLY I'LL LET DWAYNE SPEAK FIRST AND KINDA INTRODUCE HIS GROUP AND THE, UH, THE OVERALL PROJECT.
UH, DWAYNE REEL WITH BENNETT AND RHINO COMPANIES.
UM, WE'RE BASED OUTTA HILTON HEAD.
UH, WE'RE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS.
WE'VE, UH, WORKED OUT AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF HARDY V UM, BACK LAST, UH, SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER WHERE THEY SELECTED US TO, UH, BUILD AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY.
AND THIS IS THE LAND THAT THEY'VE, UH, PROVIDED OR CHOSEN FOR US.
AND SO, UH, WE'RE JUST WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
UH, FIRST STEP IN THAT PROCESS IS TO GET THE PROPERTY ZONED, AND THAT'S THE SUBJECT THAT'S HERE BEFORE YOU NOW.
UM, MY COMPANY HAS DEVELOPED AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
WE'VE DONE MAY RIVER VILLAGE IN BLUFFTON AND, UH, UH, BROAD RIVER VILLAGE UP IN PORT ROYAL.
I THINK WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS, UH, THAT I'M HAPPY TO SHARE WITH YOU.
SOMEONE HAD ASKED FOR THAT TO KIND OF SEE SOME EXAMPLES OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, BUT, UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU FOLKS HAVE FOR US, STEVE.
UM, I JUST HAVE A, A COUPLE OF, UM, QUESTIONS.
THAT, THAT ANSWERS ONE OF 'EM.
UM, HOW MANY BEDROOMS? UH, WE'LL HAVE ANYWHERE FROM STUDIO TO THREE BEDROOM.
AND THE PRICE POINTS? UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE AFFORDABLE.
IT'S GONNA BE, IF, IF WE DO THESE, IT'S GONNA BE FINANCED THROUGH THE TAX CREDIT PROGRAM.
AND SO YOUR STUDIO RENTS ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE STARTING SOMEWHERE AROUND 807 TO $800 A MONTH.
AND PROBABLY YOUR MOST EXPENSIVE THREE BEDROOM IS GONNA BE AROUND 1200 A MONTH.
IT'S SUBJECT TO THE INCOME LIMITS THAT ARE IN PLACE AND PUBLISHED BY HUD EACH YEAR.
MY QUESTION IS HOW THIS IS DESIGNATED PRESERVATION PROPERTY NOW.
UM, HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN THERE AND WAS THERE ANY TAXPAYER MONEY THAT HELPED GET IT TO THAT POINT? I'LL, I'LL, I'LL JUMP ON THAT ONE.
ANY ENGINEERS OR ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO HELP ME, UM, THAT, THAT PRESERVATION PROPERTY, UM, WAS PUT IN THAT WAY.
THAT'S THE OLD CITY OF HARDY OXIDATION POND.
IT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS BACK
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WHEN THE CITY HAD, UM, ITS OWN WATER SEWER.UM, THAT PROPERTY IS, UM, DOES HAVE A, UM, A SIGNIF SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WETLANDS.
IT ALSO, THE, THE LINER FOR THE OXIDATION POND HAS BEEN IN PLACE AND IS OUT THERE.
IT IS, UM, STILL GOING TO BE USED AS A, A FOCAL POINT FOR THE FOR HEARING POINT FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT, IT'S GONNA HAVE SOME OVERLOOKS AND EVERYTHING.
THERE'S JUST SOME HIGH LAND THAT IS ADJACENT TO PROPERTY THAT, UM, IS IN THE PDD THAT, UM, WAS SLATED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND TO MAKE THE, THE TAX CREDITS AND EVERYTHING WORK.
WE CERTAINLY WANTED TO, UM, THE CITY WORKED WITH THE, THE OTHER DEVELOPERS AND, AND, AND, AND MR. BENNETT TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WORKED TOGETHER TO GET THE RIGHT NUMBERS.
SO WE WERE TAKING THAT HIGH LAND FROM THAT PRESERVATION AREA.
IT WAS, IT PREVIOUSLY WAS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LIKE, UM, CARMO ACRES AND EVERYTHING AROUND THERE.
WHEN WE DID REDID THE MZDO, WE, UH, AND, AND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP, WE PUT IT IN CONSERVATION 'CAUSE IT WAS CITY PROPERTY AND WE KNEW WE WEREN'T GONNA DUB DEVELOP IT OTHERWISE.
SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
UM, I'M RIGHT WHERE I NEED TO BE.
UH, I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, IT SAYS HERE IN THE MEMO THAT'S, UH, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO POTENTIALLY ACHIEVE ATTAINABLE HOUSING.
UM, THAT, THAT'S A REQUIREMENT OF THE TAX CREDIT PROGRAM, CORRECT? IT DOES.
IS THAT A REQUIREMENT OF THIS PROJECT THAT YOU USE THAT FINANCING? THAT WE USE THE TAX CREDIT PROGRAM? NO, BUT IT DOES NEED TO BE AFFORDABLE.
UM, THAT'S BUILT INTO OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.
IF WHAT IF YOU DIDN'T QUALIFY OR DIDN'T USE THAT, UH, FINANCING, W WOULD YOU STILL BE LOOKING AT ATTAINABLE HOUSING AND HOW CAN THAT BE ENFORCED? IF, IF WE DON'T THOUGH THAT PROVIDES SUBSIDIES, THAT HELPS US TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE BUILD DEVELOPMENT? RIGHT.
SO OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY IS THAT AT LEAST 80%, I THINK MAYBE IT'S MORE, IT'S MORE LIKE 95% I THINK IS GONNA BE AFFORDABLE TO PEOPLE AT 80% OR LESS OF THE MEDIAN INCOME.
UM, THAT'S GONNA OPEN UP AVENUES FOR US TO ACCESS FINANCING STRUCTURES.
UM, IF WE DON'T HAVE THOSE FINANCING STRUCTURES, I'M NOT SURE THAT THE PROJECT COULD BE FEASIBLE.
AND THAT WILL BE, THERE'S A LAND USE RESTRICTION AGREEMENT THAT'S RECORDED AGAINST THE PROPERTY FOR 30 YEARS PLUS THAT SAYS THIS WILL REMAIN AFFORDABLE FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
THAT THAT'S, AND, AND WE'RE GOVERNED BY THE STATE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
THEY OVERSEE THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RENTING TO PEOPLE THAT ARE, ARE.
UH, JUST A QUESTION, WHICH MAY BE THE CITY FOLKS WILL HAVE TO ANSWER THIS OXIDATION POND.
IS THERE ANY HAZARDOUS MATERIALS ASSOCIATED WITH IT? I MEAN, WHAT'S IN IT? HAS IT BEEN TESTED? UM, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, YOU, I, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTATION IN PLACE, BUT IT HAS BEEN DECOMMISSIONED FROM ITS OLD USES OXIDATION POND.
NOW IT'S STRICTLY JUST BEEN AS A, UH, DETENTION POND SLASH WETLAND AREA.
AND SO A LOT OF THE AREA EVEN AROUND IT IS ALSO CONSIDERED WETLAND.
SO, UM, THE ORIGINAL GATEWAY, PDD, UH, ALLOWS OR, OR IT ACTUALLY ENTICED THE, UH, WALKWAY FROM MAIN STREET DOWN TO 17, WHICH WILL CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH THAT PARCEL.
UM, I THINK THE, THE HEARING POINT DEVELOPERS ARE GONNA PUT LIKE A, AN OVERLOOK AND A DOCK MM-HMM
TO KIND OF PROMOTE, UH, VISIBILITY AND, AND ACCESS TO IT.
AND THAT'LL CONTINUE THROUGH THIS AS WELL.
UM, SINCE ABOUT 2009 ISH, UM, THE CITY HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR PARK OPPORTUNITIES AND EVERYTHING.
SO, UM, AT THAT POINT THROUGHOUT THE YEARS IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN WATCHED AND, AND I BELIEVE TESTED.
SO I THINK WE'RE IN, IN IN VERY GOOD SHAPE ON THAT ONE, SIR.
AND THIS IS THE POND THAT HAS NOT BEEN USED SINCE THE NINETIES, OR ARE ARE I THINK MAYBE WAY BEFORE THAT I WANNA SAY, I WAS GONNA SAY 70.
SO YEAH, I WOULD THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
WITH NO MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WHEN, WHEN, IF, IF YOU'RE DONE, GO AHEAD.
ENTRY POINTS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE COMING OUT UNDER 17, CORRECT? CAN'T GET THERE.
THAT IS THE, THE ONLY POINT OF ENTRY IS OFF OF CROSSING BOULEVARD COMING IN.
AND SO THIS, THIS, THE, THE UPLAND AREA THAT BRANDON MENTIONED EARLIER IS ATTACHED DIRECTLY TO THE THREE ACRE PIECE OKAY.
AND SO IT'S ALL CONTAINED ON THAT PIECE AND IT'LL ALL GET OUT AND OUT THROUGH CROSSING BOULEVARD.
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OKAY.'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT ACCESS 0.456.
THOSE ARE TIED TO THE OVERALL GATEWAY TRACK, PDD AND ARE SEPARATE FROM, THIS IS STRICTLY THE THREE ACRE PIECE THAT'S IN THE CORNER, PLUS THE LITTLE BIT OF UPLAND AREA THAT THE CITY OWNS ATTACHED TO THAT.
IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE APPROVED THE PDD THERE, THERE'S A BIG SWATH OF WETLAND THAT REALLY SEPARATED IT INTO TWO PARCELS.
THE HOUSING PARCEL AND THE COMMERCIAL PARCEL ON 17, YOU CAN'T GET FROM ONE TO THE OTHER.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DUMPING ONTO THAT INTERSECTION.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE PDD WILL HAVE AN, ULTIMATELY HAVE AN EGRESS TO MAIN STREET, BUT THAT'S IN THE FUTURE.
AND ONE THING, EXCUSE ME AGAIN, UM, ONE THING THAT WAS NOT HIGHLIGHTED IN MATT'S PRESENTATION, 'CAUSE IT WASN'T PERTINENT AT THE TIME, BUT THERE ARE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO EXIT FIVE AS WELL.
IT WON'T BE AS, AS DRASTIC AS AS EXIT EIGHT, BUT, UM, THERE WILL BE A FRONTAGE ROAD THAT COMES, UM, FROM WHERE WE HAVE A FRONTAGE ROAD NOW, THE BACK BEHIND THE QT THAT WILL SOLVE THAT PRO SOLVE SOME OF THOSE PRO ACCESS PROBLEMS AND MOVE, UM, SOME OF THE CURB CUTS DOWN FURTHER AWAY FROM THE INTERCHANGE.
SO THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS FOR, FOR THAT AREA OF EXIT FIVE TOO, THAT, THAT DO T'S BEEN WORKING ON.
BUT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT NOW, THE ONLY EGRESS IS SOME THE, THE FUTURE SUMTER ROAD.
LET'S OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, ANYBODY AND THE PUBLIC WANTS TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, THIS COME ON UP TO THE PODIUM, IDENTIFY YOURSELF, YOUR ADDRESS, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES IF YOU WANNA TALK, COME UP TO THE PODIUM.
HI, ANIME 9 7 3 PARROT AVENUE, HARDY VI JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY UNITS ARE GONNA BE IN THERE IN THE PAPERWORK? SORRY.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON CONCEPT PLANS RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THE MOST THAT WE COULD FIT ON THERE IS ABOUT 52 APARTMENTS AND MAYBE ANOTHER 12 TOWN HOME UNITS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR REJECT THIS APPLICATION? I MOVE THAT WE, UM, RECOMMEND THIS APPLICATION.
YOU HAVE TO DO TWO MOTIONS FOR TWO PARCELS OF LAND.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SECOND PARCEL BASED ON, BASED ON SUBMISSION.
AND WE WILL CERTAINLY, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN, UM, IT'S GOING TO CITY COUNCIL.
CAN NOW CAN WE SAY CONGRATULATIONS? YES.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, ALRIGHT.
THE PD DD FOR THE HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST AREA.
UM, BRIANNA, I GUESS YOU'VE GOT THE LEAD.
UM, AND I, I FAILED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF.
UM, I AM BRIANNA SNOWDEN, PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF HARVILLE.
UH, I'M GONNA START OFF BY SAYING YES, WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
THEY WITHDREW THE FORMER APPLICATION AND STARTED THE PROCESS OVER.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR.
UM, THERE'S ALSO BEEN A NUMBER OF, OF MEETINGS SINCE, UM, JOINT MEETINGS WITH CITY COUNCIL AS WELL AS, UM, SOME OTHER INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WHERE WE'VE SENT OUT INFORMATION, THE APPLICANT, RECENT NOTIFICATIONS.
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FOLLOWED UP WITH SOME MAPS, UM, THAT WERE A LITTLE MORE LEGIBLE FOR THE RED DAM AREA.SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS, YOU'RE NOTIFIED THAT.
UM, AND THANK YOU FOR HELPING US GET TO THIS POINT WHERE WE ARE, ARE IMPROVING OUR PROCESSES.
UM, SO HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UM, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST, IT IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THEY'RE REQUESTING, UM, IT IS A PORTION OF THE FORMER WEST ARGENT PDD.
UM, THE FORMER PDD, UH, APPROVED ORIGINALLY IN 2005 WAS 5,000 ACRES.
9,500 DWELLING UNITS, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND MIXED USE.
UM, TODAY, THIS IS THE AREA OF THE CITY OF HARVILLE HILTON HEAD LAKES WITH THE GOLF COURSE, MAG WALK, THE PRESERVE.
ALL OF THAT IS UP IN THIS AREA.
UM, THE REMAINDER OF THE BLUE IS THE, UM, ARGENT WEST DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES ALL THE WAY OVER TO, TO BEHIND OR BY THE HOSPITAL.
UM, THE PORTION THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IN THIS, UM, CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN.
THIS NEW PDD IS THE AREA HIGHLIGHTED HERE, MEANING THE, THE RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT IS TO THE NORTHWEST OF HILTON HEAD LAKES.
UM, SIDE BY SIDE, THIS GONNA KINDA SHOW YOU THE, THE LITTLE LIMITATIONS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS YELLOW AREA FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AND THEN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT THAT IS SURROUNDED BY THE OPEN SPACE.
IT'S SHOWN IN GREEN AS COMPARED TO WHAT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY.
UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING THEY'RE ASKING FOR HERE IS 3,300 PLUS UM, ACRES.
AS I MENTIONED, A PORTION OF WEST A PDD, UM, PROPOSED USES WILL BE RESIDENTIAL OPEN SPACE, A PUBLIC SAFETY SITE, AND 785 PLUS UNIT ACRES OF, UM, CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
THEY ARE LOOKING FOR 4,356 UNITS, INCLUDING UP TO 750 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
IT WILL NOT RESULT IN INCREASED DENSITY.
UM, SO THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, WE'VE HAD LOTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BACK ACCESS.
WE KNOW WE HAVE LAKESIDE BOULEVARD GOING IN AND WHAT THE ORIGINAL PDD AND D DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CALLED FOR WHAT WAS CALLED A ROAD A.
UM, AFTER MUCH DISCUSSION, MUCH WORK, UM, THANKFULLY
AND THEN THERE WILL BE IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO, TO RED DAM AND, AND OTHERS TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THAT.
I'M HIGHLIGHTING THAT TO SAY THAT IS THE, THE MAJOR CHANGE SINCE THIS HAS BEEN BEEN BROUGHT TO YOU BEFORE.
AND, UM, THERE ARE PLENTY OF OF FOLKS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM THAT CAN ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT.
I WANTED TO SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES JUST SO YOU GET AN IDEA OF, OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
THIS IS STANDING AT THE, UM, ENTRY INTO THE SCHOOL, THE K THROUGH 12 SCHOOL.
SO EVERY, THIS IS RIGHT ON THAT CORNER.
AS AS YOU SEE THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET.
YOU CAN LOOK BOTH DIRECTIONS ON, UM, RED DAM AND SEE THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE TYPE OF THINGS GOING ON THERE.
TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT RECOMMENDS THE CITY REVIEWS, PDDS AND TRANSPORTATION RESPONSIBILITIES AND PROJECTS.
THEY HAVE WORKED WITH SOUTH CARE, WITH THE CITY DOT TO COME UP WITH SOME OPTIONS.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE ROAD A ALIGNMENT AS MATT MENTIONED BEFORE, HOW IT CONNECTS BACK OVER TO 2 78, UM, THAT JOHN SMITH AT, UH, INTERCHANGE WILL BE INTERSECTION WILL BE IMPORTANT.
UM, CONNECTIVITY WILL CONTINUE TO FURTHER REVIEW AT EACH SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT APPLICATION.
AND THEY'RE ALSO, THEY WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH MASTER PLAN APPLICATIONS FOR THE INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA AS WELL.
UM, LAND USE SETTLEMENT DOES RECOMMEND OPEN SPACE.
THIS ONE, UM, DOES, DOES HAVE THE OPEN SPACE INCLUDED.
UM, 10% ACTIVE INITIAL MASTER PLANS.
ONCE AGAIN, EACH AND EVERY ONE WILL
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HAVE TO COME THROUGH FOR APPROVAL THROUGH THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT ALL IS INCLUDED IN THIS, UM, AREAS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS.
HILTON HEAD, LAKES MAGNOLIA WALK, THE PARK AT MAG WALK.
UM, PRESERVE HORIZONS AND THAT COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE THAT I MENTIONED, THAT OUR AREA THAT'S NEAR THE HOSPITAL AND IN BRICKY YARD ROAD.
UM, AS WE'VE SEEN AND AND DONE THROUGH BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, CITY COUNCIL, INCLUDING WORKSHOPS.
UM, WE, WE DO PLAN THAT THIS WILL CONTINUE AT THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET AS MUCH PUBLIC INPUT AS AS POSSIBLE AND GET QUESTIONS ANSWERED, UM, CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OR, OR CHANGES.
UM, AND THEN IT WILL STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH SITE DEVELOPMENT AND THE IMP PROCESS AND ALL OF THAT.
SO, UM, THERE ARE MANY OF LAYERS OF, OF APPROVAL AND REVIEW STILL TO COME ON THIS PROCESS.
WE DO THINK THAT THIS IS IN KEEPING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, WE ARE PLEASED THAT THERE HAVE BEEN IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PLANS, UM, AND HOPEFULLY THAT WE CAN WORK WITH, UM, I'M SURE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SOME OTHER COMMENTS TO, TO ADD NATHAN HERE.
UM, AND WE, WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, WORKING WITH YOU ON THIS.
FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT KNOW ME.
I'M, I WORK WITH THOMAS AND HUTTON.
WE'RE THE CONSULTANT FOR THE APPLICANT ON THIS.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PRESENT.
THAT'S LK DEVELOPMENT GROUP AND MR. BRIAN KIERNAN.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, MARY BOGART HERE FROM OUR, OUR TRAFFIC TEAM.
IF WE GET INTO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS RELATED TO TRAFFIC.
UM, AS BRANDON MENTIONED, THIS PROJECT WAS INITIALLY CAME BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION IN SEPTEMBER.
THERE WAS SOME PUBLIC CONCERN, A LOT OF COMMENTS AT THAT TIME.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT WE HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING, WHICH WE DID.
WE HELD A PUBLIC MEETING IN OCTOBER AND WE HEARD THE PUBLIC LOUD AND CLEAR.
UM, BASICALLY IT WAS NO CONDEMNATION OF, OF PROPERTIES, RIGHT? THE PREVIOUS ROAD ALIGNMENT WENT THROUGH SOME ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
AND RIGHTFULLY SO, THE, THE EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS DID NOT WANT THAT TO OCCUR.
UH, SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD THERE, MADE SOME SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPOSED PLAN.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS A PERFECT PLAN HERE.
I MEAN, ANY NEW ROAD WOULD REQUIRE SOME CONDEMNATION.
UH, SO WE WENT BACK AND WORKED WITH OUR TRAFFIC TEAM.
WE TALKED WITH THE CITY, WITH THE DOT.
WE HAD ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING.
THIS WAS ACTUALLY A JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL WORKSHOP IN EARLY DECEMBER.
AND I BELIEVE ALL OF YOU WERE PRESENT AT THAT.
UH, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, ISSUES THERE WITH THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE OUR MAPS WOULDN'T NECESSARILY WORK, BUT WE BROKE UP INTO GROUPS.
UH, AGAIN, IN GENERAL, I THINK THE REVISED PLAN WAS ACCEPTED WELL BY THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL.
EVERYONE WAS PLEASED WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE CONDEMNATION, ALTHOUGH THERE WERE STILL SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UM, REGARDING THE ROAD, THE VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS.
SO TODAY I'D LIKE TO KIND OF GO THROUGH EACH QUESTIONS THAT WE HEARD, HOW WE'RE PLANNING TO ADDRESS THOSE, WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR AND WHAT WILL CONTINUE IN THE FUTURE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS STILL PRELIMINARY IN THE PROCESS, AS BRANDON MENTIONED, WE'VE GOTTA GO BACK AND GET OUR INITIAL MASTER PLANS.
THIS IS THE FIRST STEP, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO, UH, SURVEY THE PROPERTY, DESIGN THE PROPERTY, GO THROUGH PERMITTING, AND A LOT OF THINGS WILL ALSO GET IRONED OUT DURING THAT, DURING THAT TIMEFRAME.
SO I DID WANNA POINT THAT OUT.
UM, IT, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT OUR REVISED TRAFFIC STUDY DOES FULLY SUPPORT THESE, THESE CHANGES.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THE CITY.
UH, MATT, AS HE WENT THROUGH THAT PRESENTATION EARLIER, THE, THE CITY REALLY DID DO A TIMEOUT TO ALL DEVELOPMENTS.
AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE WERE A LOT OF PDDS ALL COMING FORWARD WITH REVISIONS AT THE TIME.
THE CITY HIRED THEIR OWN CONSULTANT TO DO THEIR OWN CORRIDOR STUDY.
THEN THEY ALSO REQUIRED EACH DEVELOPER TO REVISE THEIR TRAFFIC STUDIES SO THAT THEY ALL TALK TOGETHER.
WE WERE ALL ASSUMING THE SAME TRAFFIC BACKGROUND ON 2 78, THE SAME, YOU KNOW, TRIPS PER DAY FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS, ET CETERA.
UH, SO NOW ALL OF THOSE STUDIES ARE TALKING TOGETHER.
UH, SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING AND JUST
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WANTED TO COMMEND THE CITY ON THAT EFFORT.UM, ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S GO THROUGH THE ITEMS. UH, SO ONE OF THEM WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS ARE IN JASPER COUNTY.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE SWITCH, OH, IT'S, IT'S PUT IT ON THE PDF.
YOU WANT? NO, THAT, THAT'S OKAY.
UM, WE'LL, WE'LL GO TO ONE MORE IN, IN A FEW MINUTES.
BUT, UH, SOME OF THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE CITY OF HARDY V OR ALL OF THIS PROPERTY IN YELLOW AND BLUE IS, BUT THEN BETWEEN THE YELLOW AND HIGHWAY 2 78, IT GOES THROUGH JASPER COUNTY, UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY.
SO ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS WAS THE RESIDENTS ARE IN JASPER COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, PLEASE NOTIFY THE COUNTY.
TALK ABOUT THESE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE COUNTY.
SO WE HAVE SPOKEN, WE'VE REACHED OUT AND TALKED WITH ANDY FULHAM.
HE'S THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
UH, WE'VE PROVIDED HIM THE PLAN AS LONG AS WELL AS THE DETAILED NARRATIVE AND SOME OF THE TRAFFIC INFORMATION.
HE HAS DISTRIBUTED THAT TO HIS PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WELL.
UH, IN GENERAL, HE WAS ALSO VERY PLEASED WITH THE PLAN, UH, THAT IT'S NOT GONNA REQUIRE CONDEMNATION ANYMORE.
WE HAVE YET TO DATE, WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
WE PROVIDED THAT PROBABLY MID-DECEMBER IS WHEN WE PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION OVER TO ANDY.
WELL, LET ME JUST DO A QUICK POLL HERE.
IS THERE ANY REPRESENTATIVE OF JASPER COUNTY WITH US TODAY? OKAY, SEEING NONE, I, I THREW THE INVITATION.
I WILL SAY ANDY WAS AT THE INITIAL MEETING IN OCTOBER AT THE GYMNASIUM.
WE DID REACH OUT TO HIM AND LET HIM KNOW ABOUT THE SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER.
HE'S ALSO AWARE THAT WE WERE HAVING OUR PLAN OF COMMISSION AND COUNCIL MEETINGS AND GOING FORWARD, I, I HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING AND I'VE BEEN TALKING TO SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE OTHER BIG QUESTIONS WAS, IS RED DAM ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS NEW TRAFFIC? UH, THE ANSWER IS YES.
AND WE HAVE LOOKED AT OUR, OUR TRAFFIC STUDIES, AGAIN, COORDINATED WITH THE CITY.
YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS DOES ALLOW TRAFFIC TO GO MULTIPLE DIRECTIONS IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE ROUNDABOUT PROPOSED HERE, ADJACENT TO THE SCHOOL FOR ACCESS TO THE SCHOOL.
UM, CAN COME DOWN MEDICAL CENTER HERE, THERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A A AND MATT SHOWED IT EARLIER, THE UPDATED EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS THE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE ROUNDABOUT THAT ARE PLANNED HERE AT THE, UH, EXIT EIGHT IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN YOU ALSO CAN GO LEFT RIGHT HERE ONCE YOU GET TO BRICKYARD AND MULTIPLE POINTS OUT TO OUT TO 2 78.
WE ALSO DID SOME MEASURING OF ROADWAY WIDTHS ALONG RED DAM.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE DOT.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW AFTERNOON WITH JULIE FLEMING IN AT THE DOT TO DISCUSS THE, THE PROPOSED OVERLAY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOME ROAD SHOULDERS AS WELL ON THE ROAD, SOME PAVED ROAD SHOULDERS THAT ARE, ARE NOT THEIR EXISTING NOW.
UH, SO AGAIN, SOME OF THIS WILL GET IRONED OUT AS WE GO FORWARD.
UM, BUT WE ARE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DOT.
WE'VE ALSO SENT OUR TRAFFIC STUDY TO JOSH JOHNSON.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE THIS DRAWING ON A SLIDE SOMEWHERE.
CAN WE GET IT UP? IT WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU TO TALK THEN.
I WAS GONNA SWITCH TO THIS ONE IN A MOMENT ANYWAY.
SO, JUST TO ORIENT EVERYONE, THIS ONE KIND OF ZOOMS YOU IN A LITTLE BIT TO WHERE THE, THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE IS ADJACENT TO THE SCHOOL IN YELLOW HERE.
THIS IS THE, THE DOT PROJECT FOR THE EXIT EIGHT IMPROVEMENTS.
WE JUST WANTED TO OVERLAY THAT SO EVERYONE COULD SEE IT.
UH, WE ALSO HEARD, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE WAS AN ISSUE.
UH, WE, WE LOOKED AT THE, A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS HAD PHOTOS DURING THE HURRICANE OF HELENE WHERE THERE SOME OF THE WATER OVER TOP THE ROAD THERE.
UH, SO THAT'S PART OF THE THING THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS WITH THE DOT REGARDING MAINTENANCE OF SOME OF THESE EXISTING DITCHES.
AS I MENTIONED, AS WE GO FORWARD, WE WILL BE STUDYING DRAINAGE.
THAT'S ALL GONNA BE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE AT, WITH ANY IMPROVEMENTS IS, IS TO LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE.
UH, BUT WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE DISCUSSING THAT WITH DOT REGARDING SOME MAINTENANCE.
UH, I'D MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, THE CITY DOING THEIR TRAFFIC, UH, CORRIDOR STUDY ALONG TWO WAY HIGHWAY 2 78.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS PROJECT WAS INVOLVED WITH SLIGHTLY WAS THE IMPROVEMENTS AT JOHN SMITH ROAD.
UH, THERE WAS INITIALLY PLANNED A MEMORANDUM OF UN OF UNDERSTANDING MOU BETWEEN THREE DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS.
UH, WE WERE OBVIOUSLY PART OF THAT AND HAD PLANNED TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
AS THINGS CONTINUED TO EVOLVE, THERE WERE, THERE'S ALWAYS ISSUES WITH
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A TRI-PARTY AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, DEFAULT CLAUSES AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT, WHAT IF THIS GUY DOES THAT? LIKE, SO, UH, AS THIS THING HAS EVOLVED, UH, THE MORGAN TRACK DEVELOPER, DR HORTON AND HOYER HAVE DECIDED TO FULLY FUND THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.SO WE, WE HAVE KIND OF STEPPED BACK FROM THE JOHN SMITH IMPROVEMENTS 'CAUSE THE AGREEMENT'S GONNA BE SOLELY WITH THEM.
UM, BUT I DID WANNA POINT THAT OUT AS WELL.
THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE STILL MOVING FORWARD.
ANOTHER, UH, CONCERN WAS THE BLIND CURVE ON RED DAM ROAD, WHICH THIS OBVIOUSLY WILL SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
'CAUSE NOW WE'LL HAVE THE ROUNDABOUT.
THE THE CURVE WILL BE THE, THE ROUNDABOUT WILL BE KATIE, CAN WE BLOW UP THE SECTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BETTER? YEAH.
IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THIS EXHIBIT.
AND, AND KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS STILL PRELIMINARY, BUT WE KIND OF HAD AN INSET THERE THAT SHOWED THAT'S GOOD.
UM, THIS WAS ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, JUST FOR STUDENTS GOING TO AND FROM THE SCHOOL.
SO WE HAVE PLANNED A, A 10 FOOT MULTI-USE PATHWAY TO COME FROM THE DEVELOPMENT HERE TO THE RIGHT.
AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE SCHOOL, UH, SCHOOL BOARD SUPERINTENDENT.
UH, WE HAVE NOT HEARD BACK YET.
UH, WE LEFT A VOICEMAIL AND ALSO SENT AN EMAIL.
UM, SO WE'RE HOPING TO SPEAK WITH THEM BECAUSE WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS CONTINUE THE TRAIL.
LIKE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SOME EASEMENTS WHERE YOU SEE THE ROUNDABOUT ACROSS SOME OF THE SCHOOL'S PROPERTY.
UM, BUT WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IS AN EASEMENT OR RIGHTS TO GO, GO FROM THE CURVE THERE.
AND I THINK THIS MAY HAVE STOPPED WORKING ON ME, UH, BUT ONTO THE JASPER COUNTY SCHOOL PROPERTY WITH THE, WITH THE SIDEWALK THAT, BUT WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.
THAT WAS LIKE UP IN HERE, RIGHT? OUT OF, OUT OF THAT'S CORRECT.
I, I DID NOT WANT TO EXTEND THE SIDEWALK DOWN AND SEND THEM WALKING AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT.
LIKE I, I WANTED TO CUT 'EM ON, CUT 'EM OFF, AND SEND 'EM DIRECTLY TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
WE ORIGINALLY HAD THAT COMING OUT OF A POD A OR SOMETHING.
I THINK ABOUT WHERE THAT CURVE TOUCHES THAT PROPERTY LINE.
SO THE SIDEWALK WILL BE FOLLOWING THAT RED CURB.
AND THEN ONCE IT HITS THAT PROPERTY LINE, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, BRING IT RIGHT INTO THE SCHOOL.
SO WE JUST WANNA COORDINATE WITH THEM ON KIND OF WHERE, WHERE THAT NEEDS TO TO GO.
ANOTHER QUESTION AND CONCERN WAS LAKESIDE BOULEVARD TRAFFIC.
UM, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THIS PROPERTY NEEDS TWO OUTLETS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S A GIVEN.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO THIS SECOND SECONDARY OUTLET WILL ONLY HELP TO REDUCE FUTURE TRAFFIC ON ONTO LAKESIDE BOULEVARD CITIES PLANNING THE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION.
WE ALSO HAVE A DUAL LEFT THAT IS PLANNED AS PART OF THIS COMING OUT OF HILTON HEAD, LAKES WEST AT LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.
UH, ONE MORE QUESTION WAS KIND OF THE, THE, THIS PROPERTY OVER HERE TO THE, TO THE WEST OR ACTUALLY NORTH OF THIS, UM, WAS, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY GONNA BE THE, A BUTTERFLY KINGDOM THAT ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN HAD SPOKE ABOUT THIS AT THE, THE SECOND PUBLIC MEETING, UM, ABOUT A POTENTIAL ACCESS THERE.
SO WE DID RESEARCH THAT AS WELL.
UM, ACTUALLY WILLIE, I THINK STEPPED OUT, BUT WILLIE POWELL WITH WARD EDWARDS, UH, PROVIDED US WITH THE PLAN THERE AND IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION.
YOU ARE PROBABLY AWARE FARINO HAS, I THINK IT'S 78 HOMES.
AND I, I PRINTED OUT THE MAP, UM, I'VE GOT IT WITH ME IF YOU WANNA SEE THE SPECIFICS THERE, BUT THERE WAS A, THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THERE ALREADY, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A CHURCH SITE ADJACENT TO THAT.
IT'S A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT CHURCH.
I THINK THEY GOT IT PULLED UP HERE, UH, WITH A LIFE CENTER AND A POTENTIAL 200 STUDENT SCHOOL THERE.
UM, SO WE DID, WE DID LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL.
UM, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE OTHER EXHIBIT THAT WE JUST HAD UP.
ANOTHER CONCERN WAS JUST ACCESS TO THE DISC GOLF FOR JASPER COUNTY.
UH, THE PARKING IS LOCATED HERE ON THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD.
UM, SO AS WE OVERLAY THIS ROAD, WE WILL MAKE SURE THERE'S ADEQUATE SIGNAGE, BUT THERE, THERE WILL BE A, ANOTHER PEDESTRIAN ROAD CROSSING RIGHT HERE FOR THEM TO CROSS.
'CAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE COURSES ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE HERE.
UH, THEN I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THE LAST THREE THAT I HAD HERE RELATED TO SOME OF THE PROPERTIES DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE ROUNDABOUT.
UM, SO, UH, PROPERTY FOUR DOES HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT'S REALLY CLOSE HERE TO THE TERMINUS OF THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO OUR PLAN THERE IS TO RELOCATE THAT DRIVEWAY
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TO WORK WITH THE HOMEOWNER, PULL IT BACK A LITTLE BIT FROM BEING SO CLOSE TO THE TERMINUS OF THE ROUNDABOUT FOR PROPERTY NUMBER TWO, THE DEVELOPER IS WORKING WITH THIS PROPERTY OWNER TO COME UP WITH A AMENABLE SOLUTION.THERE, UH, PROBABLY WILL LIKELY INCLUDE PURCHASE OF THAT PARCEL.
I MEAN, IT'S REALLY VERY CLOSE TO THAT ROUNDABOUT AND, UM, NOT A LOT OF YOU, YOU CAN'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT CLOSE TO IT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING THROUGH.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE, AND THEN THEN WE CAN TAKE QUESTIONS HERE IS, IS NUMBER THREE.
UH, THE, UH, JOSH GRUBER WENT AND MET WITH NANCY HARPER AND HER NEPHEW MICHAEL, WHO LIVES ACTUALLY ADJACENT HERE IN, UH, THIS TRAILER HERE, RIGHT BY THE LAKE.
UM, AND, AND THEY TALKED THROUGH THE PROJECT, SOME OF HER CONCERNS.
UM, THEY DID NOT COME UP WITH WHAT A AMICABLE SOLUTION WOULD BE AT THIS POINT.
I MEAN, REALLY HER DRIVEWAY'S ALREADY RIGHT HERE BY THE SCHOOL.
UM, AND THE ROUNDABOUT, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN HAVING SOME ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THERE, IT'S NOT REALLY AFFECTING HER DRIVEWAY LOCATION.
BUT ONE THING THAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS A POTENTIAL FENCING OR SOME PLANTING SOME ADDITIONAL TREES.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'VE LANDED ON WHAT THAT SOLUTION WILL BE LIKE EITHER.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT MEETING HAS OCCURRED.
SO THAT WAS THE LIST THAT I HAD.
I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER CONCERNS AS WELL THAT WE CAN ADDRESS AS WE, AS WE MOVE INTO QUESTIONS.
RICHARD, I THINK YOU HAD A QUESTION.
AND 10 SECONDS LATER YOU GOT TO IT ALSO.
UM, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE, Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
SO THAT MAKES ME, I'M PLEASED WITH THAT.
UH, AND I, I, I THINK I DID MENTION IT, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE REALIGNMENT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT OF RED DAM AND BRICKYARD ROAD.
IT'S A CURRENT SKEWED INTERSECTION.
OUR TRAFFIC STUDY REQUIRES ADDING SOME TURN LANES THERE AND STRAIGHTENING THAT OUT TO BE MORE OF A T INTERSECTION.
ALRIGHT, NATHAN, WHY DON'T YOU WALK THROUGH THE CHANGES ON RED DAM WEST OF THE SCHOOL AND THEN RED DAM SOUTH OF THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH OF RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENTS ON THOSE TWO ROADS.
AND IF, IF WE COULD ZOOM OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE THERE.
UM, BUT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, BEEN AGAIN, TALKING WITH THE CITY TO, WE'VE BEEN OUT HERE MULTIPLE TIMES LOOKING AT THE EXISTING STATUS OF THE STREETS.
UM, SO, SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO OVERLAY THE EXISTING ROADS.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IN DETAIL WITH THE
WE'RE ALSO HOPING THAT WE CAN ADD ABOUT TWO FEET OF PAVED SHOULDER ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD, UM, TO HELP MAKE IT SAFER.
UH, SO WE'D BASICALLY BE OVERLAYING FROM HERE ALL THE WAY OVER TO MEDICAL CENTER AND THEN OVERLAYING HERE DOWN TO AT RED DAM CHURCH ROAD.
THERE, THERE WAS A RECENT OVERLAY THAT THE DOT DID DOWN TO THIS, THIS POINT HERE.
SO THIS PORTION LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR MAIN IMPROVEMENTS THERE ON RED DAM.
UH, WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE TALKING WITH THE GOT ABOUT MAINTENANCE, AS I MENTIONED WITH THE DITCHES.
BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY PLAN TO DO AN OVERLAY OF THIS ROAD IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, I MEAN, IT IS IN BAD SHAPE.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF POT HOLES OUT THERE AND, AND SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE.
UM, SO WE WANT TO TALK IN DETAIL WITH THE DOT ABOUT THAT AND UNDERSTAND THEIR PLANS SO THAT WE CAN HELP SOLIDIFY OUR PLANS.
SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ADDING THE, THE TWO FEET ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD IS WITHIN THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, THAT'S THE PLAN.
UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE PLAN BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID ANY CONDEMNATION OR RIGHT.
REACHING OUT AND GRABBING 10 FEET ON EACH SIDE, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO OVERLAY THE EXISTING ROAD AND, AND ADD PAVED SHOULDERS TO IT AND COORDINATE THAT.
AGAIN, IF DOT HAS ANY PLANS, WE, WE, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THEIR CURRENT PUBLISHED LIST, BUT WE WANTED TO TALK THROUGH THAT IN DETAIL WITH THEM.
ANYTHING ELSE, NATHAN? THAT WAS ALL THAT I HAD.
AND AGAIN, WE WE'RE HERE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.
YOU, AS I UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE GONNA COME ALL THE WAY ACROSS RED DAM TO MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE? CORRECT.
SO THAT WILL BE AN ENTRANCE AND ACCIDENT TO THE PROPERTY? YES.
PEOPLE CAN COME UP MEDICAL CENTER HERE TO THE ROUNDABOUT.
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THE ONLY ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY IS AT THE ROUNDABOUT.OR THEY COULD COME, YOU KNOW, THIS WAY THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT OR DOWN TO JOHN SMITH THIS WAY.
NOW YOU SAY YOU'RE GONNA OVERLAY RED DIM, CORRECT? BECAUSE IT'S IN BAD SHAPE.
I AGREE IT'S IN BAD SHAPE, BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS UNDERNEATH? WHERE IS IS OVERLAYING GONNA GOING TO? IS IS THAT GONNA BE SUFFICIENT? I'M NOT SURE IT IS.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY AS PART OF THIS, WE'RE GONNA GET A GEOTECHNICAL INSULT INVOLVED.
THAT WILL BE PART OF THE DETAILS THAT WE WORK OUT AS WE GO FORWARD, BUT OKAY.
AND I ASSUME THAT YOU'RE WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE STRUCTURAL CAPACITY OF THE ROAD.
NOW, I MEAN THE, THE, I WAS GONNA SAY DOESN'T THE, THE STATE WILL DICTATE WHAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO, RIGHT? I, YEAH.
THAT, THAT'S WHY THIS COORDINATION WITH THE DOT AND THE REASON WE WANTED TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE PLAN TO DO.
BUT YES, THE DOT OWNS THE ROAD.
WE, WE'VE GOTTA TALK TO THEM AND MEET THEIR STANDARDS TO CONTINUE ON.
YOU PLAN TO DO THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING WITH THE DOT TOMORROW? WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING THROUGH EMAIL.
OH, WHEN ARE WE TO BUILD THE ROAD? YES.
WE WE'RE GONNA START THIS PROCESS AS SOON AS THESE APPROVALS GET IN PLACE.
RIGHT? WE HAVE TO GET, WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH THIS PART.
THE, THE ROADS ARE GONNA GET DONE BEFORE YOU STOP BUILDING HOUSES.
IT WILL BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT PROCESS.
SO MY QUESTION THEN IS, BECAUSE I BROUGHT UP THE CONCERN WITH LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.
IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD THESE ROADS, WHY CAN'T YOU HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC COME IN MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE AND UP RED DAM INSTEAD OF, WELL, WE'VE TALKED LATITUDE.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS NUMEROUS TIMES THAT THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS THERE.
LIKE WE, WE'VE HEARD OPINIONS THAT YOU DON'T WANNA SEND IT RIGHT BY THE SCHOOL EITHER.
WELL, I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S MULTIPLE AVENUES THERE, BUT THE REALITY IS UNTIL THIS GETS BUILT, IT WOULD LIKELY BE CONTINUED DOWN THE SIDE.
YES, I THINK WE NEED TO DEVELOP THIS AREA, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS ALSO.
OUR JOB IS WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
BUILDING HOUSES AND GETTING THIS DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT GOING IS BEST FOR THE DEVELOPER.
BUT IS IT BEST IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS THAT ALREADY LIVE THERE THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC? YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WALKING DOGS, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE ON BICYCLES, YOU GOT PEOPLE ON GOLF GUYS.
I MEAN IT, I LIVE WITH IT EVERY DAY IN MARGARITAVILLE.
AND I, AND I'VE GOTTA TELL YOU, I FEAR FOR MY LIFE SOMETIMES
BUT I CAN STOP MY RAV4 HELL OF A LOT QUICKER THAN THAT GUY IN THAT, IN THAT CEMENT TRUCK CAN STOP.
MY CONCERN IS THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS.
I'M NOT AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND AS LONG AS YOU CAN DO IT AND DO IT IN A SAFE MANNER, I'LL SPEAK.
BRIAN NAN WITH LK DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S NO ROAD THERE, THE TRUCKS CAN'T GO THERE.
THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING WHEN YOU GONNA DO THE ROAD? WE'RE GO DOWN LAKESIDE.
WHEN YOU GONNA DO THE ROAD
AND THIS IS A BETTER OPTION BECAUSE IT CAN BE DONE A LOT SOONER YEAH.
THE RED ROAD A UH, IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE THAT WAS ALL BRAND NEW ROAD.
AND, AND AGAIN, IT IS UP TO TOMORROW'S MEETING WITH DOT.
'CAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO, THIS IS WHAT WE SUGGEST.
THEY'LL COME BACK WITH WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO.
AND THEN WE'LL COMMUNICATE THAT.
I I I, I DO HAVE A, A CONCERN WITH THE ROUNDABOUT WITH KIDS.
I MEAN, IT'S, I KNOW YOU, YOU'VE DONE EVERYTHING YOU POSSIBLY CAN, BUT KIDS ARE GONNA BE KIDS.
I KNOW
I MEAN, REALLY HOW MANY KIDS WALK TO THAT SCHOOL? IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
I MEAN, NONE BUT OUR, FROM OUR RESIDENTIAL, FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, I KNOW WE FEEL LIKE THAT CONVENIENCE IS THERE WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOUR KID'S OLD ENOUGH TO WALK TO SCHOOL AND, AND, AND LIKE WE SAID, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PUNCH THROUGH ABOUT HERE.
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WELL, WITH WITH I'LL WALKING FROM THE CIRCLE.I'M, I'M, I'M I ADD SOMETHING.
UM, MR. TALBUT AND CHAIR, UM, UH, WE, AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY'RE REACHING OUT TO THE SCHOOL, UM, AND, AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT GOING ON WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT RIGHT NOW AND, AND IN THE, UM, SITUATION.
BUT WE HAVE, FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, UM, OUR STAFF HAS MET WITH A TEAM THAT THEY HAVE HIRED TO COME IN AND DO A FULL SECURITY AND SAFETY AND CHECK.
AND THEY'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OTHERS.
UM, SO ALL OF THAT IS GONNA BE, AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THEY HAVEN'T RESPONDED YET.
'CAUSE THEY'RE IN WORKING ON THIS PLAN.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS GOING INTO THAT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WOULD, THAT SAFETY WOULD BE ONE OF THE, THE HIGHEST AND MOST IMPORTANT.
I'M, I'M NOT SO MUCH CONCERNED WITH KIDS WALKING TO AND FROM SCHOOL ON RECESS WHEN KIDS ARE OUT PLAYING AT LUNCHTIME, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE KICKS A BALL AND IT GETS OUT INTO THE ROPE.
I, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL, I MEAN, I THINK I, I LIKE THE PLAN.
I DO, BUT I'M, IT'S JUST THAT LITTLE BIT OF TINGLE THAT THE SCHOOL, AND THERE'S A, THERE IS A FENCE THAT GOES AROUND THE SCHOOL.
YOU CAN SEE THE BALL FIELDS ARE OUT THIS, SO THERE'S A
AND ANY PLACE THAT WE, I MEAN THAT GETS INTO A DESIGN AND WE WILL WORK WITH THE SCHOOL, OBVIOUSLY, BUT AS A, I MEAN AS THE PATH GOES THROUGH, IF THERE'S AN OPENING THERE, THEY'RE GONNA GO TO THAT OPENING.
UNLESS I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A WALK, IF THERE'S A, IF THAT'S ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT.
BUT THAT STILL OPENS UP TO THE SCHOOL.
IF, AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE SCHOOL.
AND IF THEY ASK US TO PUT A, A GATE THERE, THEN WE'LL PUT A GATE THERE.
AS LONG AS YOU, AS LONG AS YOU PROMISE ME THAT YOU'LL TAKE, WE'RE WORKING WITH THIS KID.
THERE'S ALSO, YOU CAN SEE THESE TREES HERE, THERE'S OVER A HUNDRED FEET OF TREES.
I MEAN, UNLESS THE BALL ROLLS RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD THERE.
BUT YEAH, I WENT DOWN THERE AND I SPENT SOME TIME AT THE SCHOOL AND THERE IS LIKE IN THE PARKING LOT TO SEE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS CONCERNS MM-HMM
AND THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THE TRAFFIC.
UH, I WENT IN THE MORNING AT SEVEN O'CLOCK WHEN THEY DROPPED OFF AND I STAYED UNTIL 8, 8 30.
AND THEN IN THE AFTERNOON I STAYED FROM TWO TO THREE.
AND THE FARTHEST I EVER SAW THE TRAFFIC IS TO THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
BUT THEY'VE DONE A VERY, THE SCHOOL DOES A GREAT JOB.
THEY'VE GOT A POLICE OFFICER ON SITE THAT'S THERE WHEN PEOPLE COME AND GO.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY LOOKED AT ME A COUPLE TIMES BECAUSE YOU KNOW HIM IN A TRUCK.
AND IF WE HAVE TO TIE INTO SOME FENCING, WE WILL.
OTHER THAN THAT, I, I HAVE A, I WON'T SAY A QUESTION.
MOST OF THIS IS ALL BEING DONE TO RELIEVE LAKESIDE BOULEVARD BASICALLY.
AND TO BENEFIT THAT COMMUNITY, I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
THE COMMUNITY THAT'S THERE NOW AND HAS BEEN THERE LONGER THAN ANYBODY AROUND IS TAKING THE BRUNT OF A LOT OF PAIN.
AND TO SAY THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE TO DUMP ALL THE CONSTRUCTION THROUGH THEM IMMEDIATELY IS KIND OF, UH, HITS ME IN THE WRONG SPOT.
I, I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY, DO THIS AS NICELY AS WE CAN TO THE EXISTING COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE ULTIMATELY THIS IS BEING DONE TO BENEFIT THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS.
UM, SO JUST EVERYBODY CONSIDER THAT.
I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO, I MEAN, THE INTENT THERE WOULD NOT TO THE DIRECT ALL.
I AND I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
UM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I JUST, WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING RICK IS IN, IN, INSTEAD OF USING LAKESIDE BOULEVARD AND ROAD A, WHY CAN'T, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM FINISH RED DAM ALL THE WAY TO MEDICAL CENTER AND USE THAT AS, AS THEIR WAY THERE.
THERE IS A LOGGING ROAD RIGHT HERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SCHOOL THAT WE HAVE A EASEMENT THROUGH.
UM, SO A LOT OF THE TIMBERING THAT WAS DONE HERE WAS, WAS UTILIZING THIS ACCESS.
UM, I THAT'S, WE DO HAVE, I MEAN IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION.
I'M, I'M THROWING OUT THERE, DIDN'T THE MAYOR VISIT WITH YOU ON THAT ROAD ONE THAT DIRT ROAD ONE TIME AS INTENTIONAL ACCESS AND HE WASN'T THRILLED WITH IT BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT NEAR THE SCHOOL.
SO THERE IS NO GOOD SOLUTION FOR THE TRAFFIC, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.
NO, BECAUSE IT'S LAKESIDE OR IT'S RED DAM.
AND I, I UNDERSTAND YOU RICK, WHERE LET THE FOLKS ON LAKESIDE SUFFER IT BECAUSE GIVE AS MUCH AS IT'S THEIR COMMUNITY.
I JUST WANT THEM TO BE IN, I WANT THEM TO BE THOUGHT OF THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, IF IF THEY COULD, YOU COULD DO SOMETHING WITH THIS, THEN THE TRAFFIC WOULDN'T BE NEAR THE SCHOOL.
IF YOU WERE COMING UP MEDICAL CENTER OVER AND THEN UP, I MEAN, THAT MIGHT BE
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WORTH CONSIDERING, BUT THAT'S GONNA DO A WAY OF A LOT OF DAMAGE TO THAT NEW PAVING YOU WANNA PUT DOWN.WELL THAT'S WHAT YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT NATHAN WAS AT THE, AT THE, AT THE RIGHT WORKSHOP WAS IS THERE WAS, AND YOU WERE GONNA LOOK AT, IS THERE A WAY TO DO THAT? SO YEAH, THERE'S AN EXISTING ROAD THERE NOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS THIS GETS BUILT OUT HERE, EVENTUALLY THERE WILL BE HOMES THERE YEAH.
BUT YOU KNOW, I, I DO THINK THERE'S A POTENTIAL THERE FOR THE, IN THE SHORT TERM, WHILE THIS IS GETTING DONE TO, FOR SOME OF THIS, UH, LARGER SCALE CONSTRUCTION, WE, WE DO USE THAT WITH THE LOGGING AND FUEL TRUCKS.
AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT'S THE WAY I GO IN AND OUTTA THE COMMUNITY A LOT.
AND THAT WE DO A LOT OF MAINTENANCE.
I'VE MET MET AND DOMINION POWER AND GAS, UH, AND PALMETTO DOMINION SPECIFICALLY, I'VE MET WITH THEM SPECIFICALLY ALSO OUT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S BASICALLY THEIR, THEIR EASEMENT, UM, THEIR ROAD TO THEIR POWER STATION.
UM, AND SO WE CARE AND MAINTAIN IT TOO.
UH, WE DID LOOK AT IT EARLIER TO BE ONE OF THE MAIN ROADS FOR WHAT THE MAYOR SAID.
UM, THE ROUNDABOUT TRAFFIC CIRCLE WITH THIS ELECTION, UM, WE'VE KIND OF BEEN, IT SEEMS TO BE THE BEST OPTION.
I LIKE, LIKE MARK SAYS, THERE'S NO PERFECT SOLUTION.
YOU KNOW, I'M JUST ASKING IS CAN YOU LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS? THAT'S ALL.
I MEAN, AS THINGS COME UP, WE'RE, WE'RE PIVOTING FLUIDLY THROUGH THE PROCESS IT'S GETTING.
MR. COMER, THAT WAS THE MAN SUGGESTED, YOU KNOW, COMING OUT OF YOUR PROPERTY AND TYING INTO THE BUTTERFLY EXTENSION.
AND I, I BELIEVE IT'S THE DIOCESE OWNS THE PARCEL BETWEEN THE BUTTERFLY ROAD AND YOUR PROPERTY.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, PRESENTLY, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO PARCELS NOW I BELIEVE MARINA'S BOUGHT THAT IS DOING THE SINGLE FAMILY.
THAT WAS THE MAP WE SHOWED EARLIER.
AND THEN THE, THERE'S A CHURCH PLAN TO THE WEST.
SO I MEAN, I I WOULD THINK, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG, THAT EXTENDING THE BUTTERFLY ROAD UP TO YOUR PROPERTY ACTUALLY HELPS THE REST OF THE FOLKS WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT TOO.
'CAUSE THAT GIVES THEM A MEANS TO ACCESS MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE PRETTY EASILY.
BUT HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO CONTACT THOSE, THE DIOCESE AND THE DEVELOPER? WE, WE HAVEN'T, BUT IT WAS SUBSTANTIALLY AFFECT THEIR PLAN.
UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE INITIAL DISCUSSIONS AND THOUGHTS THAT WE HAD WAS THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANT THIS ROAD COMING THROUGH THERE.
I KNOW THE RIGHT SIDE IS, THE RIGHT SIDE IS A HUNDRED PERCENT PERMITTED.
AND THE WETLANDS, IF YOU SEE ON THE TOP RIGHT, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE BARRIER BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY.
AND THEN WE HAVE WETLANDS ON OUR PROPERTY THAT BACKS UP TO THERE.
THERE'S AN APARTMENT, IT'S NOT, IT'S A TOWN HOME SECTION ON OUR MASTER DEVELOP PLAN.
CLOSE TO THAT, THAT WOULD BE ONE POINT.
'CAUSE WE DID KIND OF LOOK AT THAT PUNCH THROUGH AND WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY FOR THE FIRE STATION TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS THROUGH THAT PORTION AND COME ALL THE WAY DOWN.
AND AFTER, LIKE, WE LOOKED AT IT A LOT AND IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.
THERE WAS THE, THE WETLANDS IS A, IS A HUGE BARRIER THERE.
SO THAT CONSIDER IT, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT JUST ISN'T FEASIBLE.
SO I WANTED TO ASK CITY STAFF, UH, THIS IS, UH, FOR A PLAN FOR 4,356 UNITS, THE ORIGINAL PDD HAD 9,500.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THE, THE DIFFERENCE 5,144 WOULD STILL BE PART OF THE OTHER PDD, IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, IT'S TAKEN THE LAND AWAY FROM THE OTHER PD D SO THAT, THAT, UM, BUT THEY'RE STILL AUTHORIZED FOR THAT.
THEY HAVE, THEY'RE BASICALLY BUILT OUT ON WHAT THEY CAN HAVE, UM, CURRENTLY.
SO, UM, THEIR LAND IS PRETTY BUILT OUT EXCEPT FOR THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND, UM, THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT IS A PORTION OF THIS.
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TO THAT, LIKE THE, EVEN TO THE RIGHT UP HERE, THERE WERE TWO CONSERVATION EASEMENTS.BUT THOSE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS BASICALLY TOOK ABOUT 3000 UNITS OFF THE MARKET.
AND THAT WAS BACK DURING THE RECESSION.
UH, BUT TO RECORD A CONSERVATION EASEMENT, THEY HAVE TO PROVE VALUE.
SO THEY'RE BASICALLY SAYING WE COULD B COULD HAVE BUILT 3000 UNITS THAT'S WORTH THIS MUCH MONEY.
WE GET THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TAX WRITE OFF FROM UNDEVELOPED VERSUS DEVELOPED.
SO THEY'RE BASICALLY GIVING UP THOSE RIGHTS TO THOSE UNITS WHEN THEY CONSERVE THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
I, YOU KNOW, I, WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS PROJECT AT THE LAST MEETING, I THINK WAS REALLY INSTRUCTIVE FOR US.
UM, THE, THE CONCERNS THAT WERE SUGGESTED BY THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SPECIFICALLY RICK, AND, AND ALSO SOME ENGINEERING ISSUES, UH, THAT MARK RAISED H HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH.
AND I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS CAN WORK WELL.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, ONE CONCERN I DO HAVE IS THAT TODAY, AGAIN, WE'VE GONE THROUGH DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES AND SPECIFICALLY THE CONSTRUCTION TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, WHICH I THINK IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AT THE, AT THAT PREVIOUS MEETING.
AND I THINK WE HAVE ARRIVED AT THE SAME PLACE, WHICH IS TO SAY WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATION OR, OR WAY OF DEALING WITH THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, I, UM, I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED WHEN WE ARRIVE AT THE END OF SOMETHING AND SAY, WELL, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT.
WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TRY TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK EVERYBODY WILL DO THAT.
BUT I'M NOT SURE, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE'VE DEALT WITH THAT PROBLEM.
I I, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO AHEAD WITH THIS PROJECT.
BUT THE CONCERNS, I MEAN, I, AS I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING WE'LL DO THE ROAD AND I THINK THE PHRASE THAT WAS USED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE BUILDING OF THE HOMES, WHICH I, WHICH TO ME THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT.
AND, AND, AND WE SYMPATHIZE WITH THAT AS WELL.
I I THINK ANYTIME YOU'RE DEVELOPING ANYTHING, LIKE, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT EXIT, EXIT EIGHT IMPROVEMENTS HERE, YOU KNOW, THIS LANE MIGHT BE CLOSED FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTION AND A NUISANCE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHILE THESE THINGS ARE ONGOING.
LIKE WE, WE SAW, LIKE YOU SAID, BACK IN 2005, THIS WAS PERMITTED FOR 9,500 UNITS.
WE'RE BUILDING 3000 LESS UNITS NOW.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE SECONDARY ACCESS THAT'S PLANNED.
I DO THINK THAT YOU'RE CORRECT.
WE, WE HAVE THAT CONCERN AS WELL.
WE WILL, WE WILL MONITOR THAT.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS.
THERE'S NOT A WONDERFUL SOLUTION.
LIKE WE CAN'T JUST HAVE A, JUST DROP 'EM ALL IN ON HELICOPTERS
TO THE SITE, YOU KNOW, AND TO SPEAK WITH THAT TOO, BY THE TIME, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS PLAN IS THAT ROUNDABOUT CAN BE DONE, TRAFFIC CIRCLE CAN BE DONE A LOT QUICKER.
SO YOU'RE TALKING A THREE YEAR PERIOD FROM DESIGN TO FINISH BY THAT TIME, AS WE GO THROUGH THE IMP PROCESS FOR THOSE RESIDENTIAL UNITS AS WELL, THAT'S GONNA BE CONJUNCTION AT THE SAME TIME.
SO THIS, IN IN THEORY, EVERYTHING AS WELL CAN BE AT COMPLETION OR CLOSE TO COMPLETION BY THE TIME IT'S REQUIRED BY THE TRAFFIC STUDY BECAUSE THERE'S 700 SOMETHING, 741 UNITS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THAT ROAD A ACCESS.
WHAT WOULD YOU THINK ABOUT RECOMMENDING THAT THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE OR THE EG THE EGRESS INGRESS FROM HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST, BUT THAT GATE CALL IT NOT BE OPENED UNTIL THE ROAD WORK IS DONE, THEREFORE NOT DUMPING NEW TRAFFIC FROM HILTON HEAD LAKES ONTO RED DAM TILL THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE DONE.
WOULD THAT MAKE SENSE TILL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE DONE TO RED DAM? TO RED DAM ROAD? WELL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, WHAT DID YOU SAY? WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? I I, I DIDN'T FIRST.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR GATE
SO YOU'RE NOT PUTTING NEW TRAFFIC ON RED DAM BEFORE THE ROAD IS IMPROVED TO RECEIVE IT.
IT, IT HAS TO BE LIKE OUR, THE CURRENT PLAN WHERE THE ROAD WAS COMING OUT, THE SOUTH DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A ROAD TO RED DAM.
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THIS HAS TO BE BUILT BEFORE THEY CAN DRIVE ON IT.AND I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS THAT AGAIN, THAT'S OUR CONVERSATION WITH DOT TOMORROW TO ALLOW US TO, TO OVERLAY OR FIX THE POTHOLES, UH, FOR THE STRUCTURE TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN EARLIER.
UM, THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT MAYBE THAT THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOME STRUCTURAL ITEMS ADDED TO OR REPAIRED ON THE ROAD, BUT THAT THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND THE, THE OVERLAY, IF THAT IS THE SOLUTION FROM DOT APPROVED, WILL BE DONE AT THE SAME TIME AND THROUGH THE PROCESS, IT'S LIKE THAT GATE WILL NOT BE OPENED UNTIL VET OVERLAYS.
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU.
NOT OPEN THE GATE AND THEN LEAVE THE POTHOLES THERE.
SO, SO IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN YOU SAY AT THE SAME TIME, BUT YOU WON'T BE DOING CONSTRUCTION, UH, OF THE HOMES UNTIL THE ROAD IS COMPLETED.
NO, THEY WON'T BE LETTING THOSE HOMES ACCESS RED DAM UNTIL THE RED DAM IMPROVES ARE DOCK THE GATE TO THE CORRECT.
AND JUST SO IF YOU PULL UP THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THAT POT OF EYES, 428 UNITS, RIGHT? THE TIMING, ONLY HALF OF IT HAS EVEN BEEN STARTED.
SO YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, SO THOSE HOMES, BY THE TIME IT'S, THEY'VE GOT ANOTHER YEAR OF DEVELOPMENT TO GO AND THEN THEY'VE GOT ANOTHER YEAR OF HOUSES TO GO.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT POD I LIKE HOUSES THAT ARE COMING FROM THAT SECTION ARE PROBABLY THREE YEARS DOWN THE LINE, FOUR YEARS DOWN THE LINE, AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS A COUPLE OF YEARS BEYOND THAT.
THAT'S WAY, WAY, WAY PAST THAT.
SO, BUT THE FIRST STEP IS TO GET THIS APPROVED SO WE CAN GET THE PLANNING STARTED SO THAT WE CAN START THAT PROCESS.
AND WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED SOME OF THE PLANNING.
I MEAN, WE'VE DONE SOME ESTIMATES AND WE'VE BEEN TO THE SITE.
LIKE I SAID, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT.
JEFF, ANY QUESTIONS? RICK, ANY QUESTIONS? I DO AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID, UM, THAT WE DON'T WANT TO APPROVE THIS WITHOUT A FEW THINGS, BUT I WILL SAY THIS, Y'ALL MADE THE, WHEN THIS FIRST COME ABOUT, I HATED IT.
Y'ALL DID GO BACK AND YOU LOST SOME OF YOUR LOTS.
YOU DID A LOT TO GET THAT ROUNDABOUT IN.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A PERFECT SOLUTION HERE.
IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA COME ABOUT.
NO, EVERYBODY'S NOT GONNA BE HAPPY WITH THIS.
I DON'T WANT TO DUMP THAT TRAFFIC ON TO RED DAM JUST TO ALLEVIATE SOME TRAFFIC UPSTREAM BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT.
BECAUSE THIS IS ALL REALLY BEING DONE TO RELIEVE TRAFFIC OUT OF HILTON HEAD LAKE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BEAR SOME OF THAT UNTIL THIS GETS DONE.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I REALLY HAVE SO FAR, AND I HAVEN'T HEARD PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT THOSE HOUSES, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO MAKE THE RESIDENCE THERE IS HAPPY BECAUSE THERE'S ONE HOUSE SITTING RIGHT BY THE ROUNDABOUT.
AND THAT STICKS OUT TO ME LIKE A SORE THUMB.
THAT THAT'S GOTTA BE TRAGIC FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN DO, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PLEASE DO THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT'S A MOBILE HOME THERE.
THERE WAS A HOUSE THAT BURNED DOWN, BUT WE, WE, WE ARE GONNA BE, WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE RESIDENTS.
UM, THAT'S, I WAS, I WAS NOT ABLE TO MEET BUT THE HOMEOWNER, UM, THAT WAS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE SCHOOL.
BUT WE ARE JOSH, BUT YOU KNOW, I WAS OFFERING TO MEET WITH HER TOO.
WE'LL BE MEETING WITH THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
IS THAT MS. HARPER? MS. HARPER? THAT'S CORRECT.
I'M DEFINITELY CONCERNED ABOUT HER HOME.
UM, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO, I GUESS LESS STRESSFUL.
SHE KIND OF, I MEAN, WITH THAT DRIVEWAY AND THE SCHOOL GOING IN THERE AND TYING IN, IT WAS NOT A GREAT SOLUTION.
AND WE'VE, AS WE'RE DOING OUR STUDIES AND SEEING HOW THE PROXIMITY OF THIS, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH HER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT.
ONE, WHEN I REVIEWED THE TRAFFIC STUDY, YOU PROJECTED SOME REALLY LOW PEAK FLOWS IN AND OUTTA YOUR DEVELOPMENT ON RED DAM, BUT I BELIEVE THAT REALLY OWES TO THE FACT YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS WHOLE EXPANSION TO BE 55 PLUS.
YES, WE, THAT THOSE WORDS WERE IN YOUR TRAFFIC STUDY, THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A 55 PLUS AREA UP HERE AND I DON'T KNOW A THAT IS COMMERCIALLY MAKES SENSE.
UH, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU HAD FAMILIES UP THERE, YOU'D HAVE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC GOING ON TO RED DAM.
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BIG STICKING POINTS WITH WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.MY NAME IS MARY BOGART AND I ALSO WORK WITH THOMAS AND HUTTON AND UM, I AM IN THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS SUBMITTED INDICATED THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS ENVISIONED AS AGE TARGETED.
AND THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN AGE RESTRICTED.
SO AGE TARGETED BASICALLY MEANS IT'S GOING TO BE MARKETED TO OLDER PEOPLE.
AND WE ENVISIONED ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE PROJECT WOULD BE OLDER RESIDENTS AND ONE THIRD, I THINK IT'S 80% IN YOUR TRAFFIC STUDY.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE MATH BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE,
SO WHAT WE SAID IS THAT EITHER 80 80% OF THE, THE 80% OF THE PARCELS WOULD BE AGE TARGETED.
SO OF THAT 80%, 80% OF THAT IS SENIOR AND 20% OF THAT IS YOUR TYPICAL, SO YOU HAD THE 20% FROM THE GET GO PLUS THE OTHER PERCENTAGE OF THE AGE TARGETED.
SO THE NUMBERS, THE PROJECTIONS IN THE STUDY, THEY'RE BASED ON 64% SENIOR BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY OLD PEOPLE DON'T GET UP AND DRIVE THE ROADS AT SEVEN O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
I DON'T, I, MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS.
SO FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT, THERE ARE EQUATIONS THAT WE USE TO PROJECT TRAFFIC AND THERE'S A SET OF EQUATIONS IF IT'S TYPICAL, UH, FAMILY OWNERSHIP AND THEN THERE'S A DIFFERENT SET IF IT'S SENIOR.
AND SO DURING THE PEAK HOUR YOU SEE FEWER SENIOR TRIPS THAN YOU WOULD FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMUTING TO WORK EACH DAY.
BECAUSE WHEN I LOOKED AT IT AND I WROTE ON YOUR TRA PAGE FIVE, YOUR TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, LET GO FIND IT.
SO WHEN I LOOKED AT THE, UH, THE PEAKS, YOU, YOU WERE SUGGESTING THAT 30% OF THE FOLKS EXITING YOUR PROPERTY WOULD GO RED DAM DOWN TO BRICKYARD AND JOHN SMITH, 10% WOULD GO TO MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE AND 60 OR 58% OF 'EM WOULD JUST USE LAKESIDE.
SO YOU WERE ONLY TAKING 40% OF YOUR TRAFFIC OUT TO RED DAM.
SOME WEST, SOME SOUTH I NEED TO DRINK.
AND WHEN I RAN THE NUMBERS, THAT'S 124 OR 120 CARS AT PEAK HEADING SOUTH OVER THE COURSE OF THE, THE PEAK, WHICH IS A ONE HOUR PEAK, RIGHT.
SO YOU GOT 120 CARS GOING OUT IN THE MORNING, COMING BACK IN THE EVENING GOING SOUTH AND 42 COMING FROM MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE.
SO 160 CARS WOULD BE ADDED TO THE NEW TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
SO CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT, UM, WHAT FIGURE NUMBER YOU'RE LOOKING AT? FUNNY YOU SHOULD SAY THAT ON PAGE FOUR, I DON'T HAVE THE REPORT IN FRONT OF ME, SO, BUT SHE REMEMBERS COME ON.
SHE LIKE, TELL ME THE FIGURE NUMBER AND I ALL RIGHT.
AND THEN I USE THOSE NUMBERS TO PROJECT THAT.
SO, SO THE DEVELOPMENT OBVIOUSLY IS NOT ALL BUILT OUT BY 2030.
AND SO THE CITY AND THEIR CONSULTANT KIMLEY HORN SET UP PARAMETERS THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT 2030, WE WOULD LOOK AT 2035 AND WE WOULD LOOK AT 2045.
AND SO 20 BY 2030 THERE'S A, A RELATIVELY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE PROJECT MM-HMM
OUT AT FULL BUILD OUT THAT NUMBER OF TRIPS ON RED DAM DOUBLES.
IT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND 500 IN A, IN THE PEAK HOUR.
IT DOUBLES ESSENTIALLY FROM WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IN 2030.
AND THAT'S BOTH THE NUMBER I'M THROWING OUT THERE IS BOTH DIRECTIONS.
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I DON'T THINK THAT 160 CARS IS GONNA OVERWHELM RED DAM.IT SURPRISED ME HOW FEW CARS IT WAS.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S PREDICATED ON HAVING A WHOLE BUNCH OF 55 PLUS FOLKS UP THERE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU DOUBLED THE NUMBER OF SIX OR OF, OF YOUNGER PEOPLE, I ASSUME YOUR TRAFFIC COUNT WOULD GO UP QUITE A BIT.
AND I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE ROAD WHETHER THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR SDOT.
I CAN'T IMAGINE IT IS WHEN I LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC FLOWS THEY ALLOW ON SOME OF THESE TWO LANE ROADS.
UM, WE DID DO A SEPARATE MEMO AND WE LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC VOLUME SPECIFICALLY JUST ON RED DAM ROAD MM-HMM
AND WE COMPARED IT TO INDUSTRY STANDARDS FOR A TWO-LANE ROAD.
AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS WE ARE THE, THE INDUSTRY STANDARD LABELS LEVEL OF SERVICE, WHICH IS A COMFORT LEVEL.
AND IT'S A THROUGH F AND AT FULL BUILD OUT THE 2045 SITUATION.
RED DAM WAS AT LEVEL OF SERVICE C WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU ACCEPTABLE.
IT'S IT'S BETTER THAN ACCEPTABLE.
IT'S BETTER THAN THE, THAN BRICKYARD EXITING ON THE 2 78 TODAY.
I MEAN, I, A TWO LANE ROAD IS GOOD FOR 24,000 CARS A DAY OR SOMETHING.
UH, NO, NOT QUITE THAT MANY
WELL, WE YOU'RE A LONG WAY FROM IT.
WE ARE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DUMP ON THAT ROAD.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE SAFETY RISK FOR THE SCHOOL AND WE, WE HAVE NOT REVIEWED THIS WITH JASPER COUNTY YET, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN IN SOME OF OUR MEETINGS.
AND WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE JASPER COUNTY COUNCIL, A COUPLE OF THEM.
SO I ASSUME THAT YOU HAVE TALKED TO YOUR REPRESENTATIVE ON THE COUNCIL.
WE GONNA GET THE, I'VE TALKED TO MINE, SO COURSE THEY'RE FULLY AWARE OF IT.
SO, AND, AND THEY DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WHEN I TALKED TO 'EM.
NOW I'M GOING TO GUESS THAT SOME OF THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE ARE GONNA WANT TO COMMENT.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR BRIAN.
UM, THIS PROJECT WILL PROVIDE THE SECOND EXIT FOR HILTON HAD LAKES, CORRECT? CORRECT.
GUESS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET THEM OUT SECOND WAY ANYWAY.
ALRIGHT, BEFORE WE GO TO AUDIENCE QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA CALL A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
I HAD THAT IN MIND FOR 11:00 AM
SO, WELL WE SEE YOU IN FIVE MINUTES OR SO.
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THE WEST ARGENT A DD EXPANSION.YOU'LL PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND PLEASE DO NOT COME FORWARD AND REPEAT WHAT SOMEBODY'S ALREADY SAID.
BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE HERE.
SO, WHO'S FIRST? PAMELA SHEGOT, 95 RIVER OAK WAY AND HARDY.
MY QUESTIONS REGARD, NUMBER ONE, LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.
UM, THE ORIGINAL PPD OF WEST ARGENT SAID THAT, UH, LAKESIDE BOULEVARD WOULD BE TURNED OVER TO THE CITY AFTER THE 3000TH HOME WAS BUILT.
MOVING THIS ALL THE AVAILABLE LAND ACCORDING TO THE PLANNING DIRECTOR OUT OF THE PDD.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF THE RESIDENTS IN HILTON HEAD LAKES NORTH OWNERS ASSOCIATION? BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO FUND THE LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.
IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER WHEN YOU ALL APPROVED AND THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE, UM, PRESERVE, WE WERE TOLD THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A WRITTEN AGREEMENT THAT LK DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT ROAD BECAUSE OF ALL THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC THAT HAS NEVER COME TO PASS.
THERE IS NO WRITTEN AGREEMENT.
SO THE FINANCIAL BURDEN IS ON US.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT A LOT OF THAT LAND IS ALSO PART OF AN AMENDMENT THAT ADDED THAT LAND TO THE NORTH OWNER'S ASSOCIATION AND MOVING THAT LAND INTO ANOTHER PDD, WHAT IS THE EFFECT FOR US AS THE HOMEOWNERS? THE OTHER THING THAT I HAVE IS REGARDING THE, UH, RECLAIMED WATER, THE ORIGINAL PDD AND MASTER PLAN SAID THAT EVERYTHING IN THE WEST A WAS GOING TO BE UTILIZING RECLAIMED WATER.
NO ONE'S SPOKEN ABOUT THE RECLAIMED WATER OR ANYTHING MENTIONED OF THAT IN THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT.
THOSE ARE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION ISSUES, NOT PLANNING COMMISSION ISSUES.
SO WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO PROVIDE RELIEF.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION THOUGH, WOULDN'T IT BE WITH THE, WITH TURNING THE ROAD OVER TO THE, UM, CITY THAT'S TIED INTO YOUR ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? RIGHT.
BUT IF THERE'S NOT 3000 HOMES IN THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT THAT WOULD BE LEFT THAT SHE
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SAID THAT'S ALL DEVELOPED, THEN HOW CAN WE TURN IT OVER IF THERE'S NO 3000 HOMES AND, AND I'M, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT ATTORNEYS AND CITY MANAGER, UM, THAT IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS BEING AMENDED AND ADJUSTED THAT WILL HANDLE BOTH OF THESE, UM, PROJECTS, BOTH THESE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS AS PART OF THE WEST SERGEANT.
SO THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT ARE, ARE BEING WORKED OUT.
AND, AND I'M JUST GONNA DEFER TO THANK YOU JOSH GRUBER FOR HELPING ME ON THIS ONE.
UM, SO I BELIEVE IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS, WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TO NOW IS NOT GOING TO AMEND ANY OF THE TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY.
IN TERMS OF HOW THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE CARRIED OUT IN THE FUTURE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION TODAY OTHER THAN TO STATE THAT THE CITY WILL WORK WITH BOTH THE COMMUNITY AND THE DEVELOPMENT TO ENSURE THAT BEFORE WE TAKE ON THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES AND WE RELIEVE OTHERS OF THEM, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT ROADWAY IS IN THE CONDITION THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SO THAT THERE'S NOT AN UNDUE BURDEN THAT'S PLACED UPON RESIDENTS TO ADDRESS CONCERNS THAT ARE COMING FROM CONSTRUCTION RELATED IMPACTS.
BUT AS FAR AS SPECIFICS ABOUT THE WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, AND HOW MUCH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY OTHER THAN TO STATE THAT WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY WOULD NOT HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT ON CHANGING ANYTHING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY AGREED TO IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
I MEAN, AND IN ONE OF THE PREVIOUS MASTER PLAN APPLICATIONS, THE DEVELOPER WOULD SAY THAT THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT ROAD.
THE RESIDENTS RAISED THAT QUESTION A YEAR AGO.
THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ROAD IS BEING TORN UP BY THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC AND THE HOMEOWNERS SHOULDN'T BE FORCED TO BEAR THE COST OF IT.
IF WE'RE HEARING THAT THE DEVELOPER HASN'T HELD UP TO THAT COMMITMENT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SAY THAT ANYBODY'S NOT HELD UP TO THE COMMITMENT AT THIS POINT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYTHING'S CHANGED.
WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY DOESN'T DIRECTLY IMPACT AMENDING CORRECT.
ANY OF THOSE TERMS. SO AGAIN, I'M NOT IN A POSITION WHERE I CAN ANSWER IT WITH, WITH SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN OTHER THAN TO SAY WHATEVER APPROVALS OR DISAPPROVALS YOU TALK ABOUT TODAY WON'T, WON'T CHANGE THAT.
I MEAN, IF IT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THAT'S ONE THING.
THE OTHER ISSUES MAINTAINING THAT ROAD YEAH, THAT'S A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION CONCERN.
I MEAN, I'M TO AN EXTENT, BUT I I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ENTITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE REGARDING THOSE CONCERNS.
AND SO, UM, I KNOW WITH THE KIAN DEVELOPMENT, THEY'VE HAD A STREET SWEEPER OUT THERE WHEN THEY'VE HAD MUD.
NOW THERE'S BEEN SOME, I THINK SOME GAPS IN THAT, THAT WE ARE STILL CONTINUING TO WORK TO ADDRESS.
BUT OVERALL, UM, THE IMPRESSION THAT I GET FROM THE DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS THAT ARE OUT THERE, THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THEIR END OF THE DEAL, THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES IN MAKING SURE THAT THAT ROAD IS MAINTAINED.
STEVEN, WE, WE HAD A, A, A PROMISE FROM LENNAR THAT THEY WOULD MAINTAIN THE BOULEVARD MM-HMM
UNTIL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BUILT OUT COMPLETELY AND TO ADDRESS PAM AS FAR AS THE RECLAIMED ORDER THAT SHOULD COME WITH THE MASTER PLAN, NOT WITH THE PDD.
WHAT I WANNA KNOW IS, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT? LIKE I'VE HAD A SURVEYING COMPANY COME OUTTA MY PROPERTY AND MARKED A BUNCH OF TREES OFF IN THE BACK.
THEY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A WATER STATION GETTING PUT IN BACK THERE.
AND THEN THE 125 FOOT ADD-ON EASEMENT FOR DOMINION ENERGY IS COMING THROUGH MY FRONT YARD AND OVER MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
SO I WANNA KNOW IF THAT'S PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
'CAUSE HMM, I I WILL DO MY BEST TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, THE, THERE IS DEVELOPMENT CURRENTLY ONGOING HERE IN POD.
I, UM, THAT'S THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
AS FAR AS DOMINION ENERGY, I KNOW THEY HAVE A, UM, THEY HAVE AN EASEMENT UP HERE AND THEY'RE WORKING TO BUILD AN EXPANSION UP THERE.
I AM NOT INVOLVED WITH WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING OR WHERE THEIR EASEMENTS RUN TO GET THERE.
SO I CAN'T, CAN'T REALLY ADDRESS THAT ONE.
BUT THERE IS SOME HOME CONSTRUCTION GOING ON IN POT EYE AND WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK WITH, UM, IF IT'S COMING FROM THOSE OTHER UTILITIES,
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WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK WITH, WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND GET MORE INFORMATION FOR HIM.DID I, DID I HEAR THAT SOMEBODY IS EXPANDING THEIR EASEMENT? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? UH, DOMINION ENERGY, IT SAYS 125 FOOT EASEMENT.
UH, CURRENTLY IT DOESN'T GO OVER MY PROPERTY BUT WITH THE WAY THE MAP SHOWS RIGHT THERE THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE OUT THE FRONT HALF OF MY FRONT YARD AND GO OVER MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
AND THAT'S WHY I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH DOMINION ON THAT.
'CAUSE I, I'M NOT AWARE OF IT GOING OVER OR TAKING YOUR PROPERTY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO, SO IT MAY BE SOMETIMES THERE'S MAPPING ERRORS, BUT WE, WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT AND I'M GONNA GET YOU MY CARD SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
THE PEOPLE DOING THE SURVEY TOLD YOU THAT IT WAS FOR DOMINION? NO, THE GUYS THAT COME OUT AND DID THE SURVEY, THEY SAID THEY WERE JUST A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR COMING OUT, SURVEYED A PORTION OF PROPERTY.
IT JUST SO HAPPENED TO BE MINE, BUT THEY HAD FLAGGED OFF ABOUT AN ACRE OF MY PROPERTY IN THE BACK THAT BUTTS UP TO THE BLUE LINE ON THE DEVELOPMENT.
BUT, BUT WHO TOLD YOU THAT IT WAS FOR DOMINION? DOMINION? THERE WAS ANOTHER GUY THAT COME OUT.
HE WAS TAKING CORE SAMPLES OF THE SOIL AND HE SAID THAT IT WAS A CONTRACT FOR DOMINION.
THEY WERE PUTTING UP POWER POLES.
THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA, BUT WE, WE'LL FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON FOR HIM.
I'LL SPEAK AND MAY I SPEAK TO THAT AND NOT INCLUDE MY THREE MINUTES ABOUT THE POWER POLES? 'CAUSE IT'S COMING FROM THE SUBSTATION DOWN OFF OF PINE ARBOR IN 46.
THEY'RE EXTENDING THAT LINE UP TO THE SUBSTATION IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT BY THE CEMETERY.
AND THAT'S WHERE THAT ADDITIONAL EASEMENT'S COMING.
'CAUSE I HAVE KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING AFFECTED THERE.
AND AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
WE HAVE CERTAINLY WORKED WITH SANTI, COOPER AND DOMINION ON, 'CAUSE IT'S CERTAINLY A REGIONAL THING THAT GOES YEAH.
FROM WAY NORTH ALL THE WAY TO, TO THE ISLAND.
BUT, UM, WE'LL GET MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
WELL IT'S ALL PART OF THEIR TAKING POWER TO THESE HOMES.
I LIVE AT 1620 RED DAM ROAD, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE SCHOOL.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF Y'ALL HAVE BEEN AROUND.
I KNOW RICHARD'S BEEN AROUND A WHILE LIKE I HAVE.
BUT THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT WHEN IT WAS TRADITIONS BACK IN 95, I GUESS THEY SAID THEN THAT NONE OF THIS TRAFFIC COULD GO TO 2 78 BECAUSE IT WAS TOO BUSY.
SO THEY WERE GONNA BUILD A DEV, UH, AN EXIT AT EXIT 13 AND THEY WERE GONNA PUT TRAFFIC THROUGH JASPER STATION ROAD OUT TO ONE 70.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY NOW AS BAD AS TRAFFIC IS THAT IT'S SUDDENLY BETTER.
AND MR. CHAIR, YOU SAID THE SCHOOL WAS BUILT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE AND MR. TALBERT, YOU TALKED ABOUT WALKING YOUR DOG.
UM, I'VE RUN TO TRY TO STAY IN SHAPE.
I CURRENTLY CAN'T USE THE ROAD IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE RED DAMN ROAD BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC AFTER GETTING MY CAR AND GO SOMEWHERE TO BE ABLE TO RUN THE DOG IN THE MORNING.
SO THAT'S THE CURRENT STATE WITH NO TRAFFIC.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONE.
I MET WITH THE CITY MANAGER LAST WEEK.
I MEAN THE ROAD FROM HILTON HEAD LAKES IS DONE ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN WE'RE JUST ADDING NOW IT'S KIND OF A AFTERTHOUGHT.
I GUESS WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THIS OUTLET HERE AND WHY ARE WE NOT IN FRONT OF THIS? THIS IS A COMPLETE MASTER PLAN.
AND THEN, UM, THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THAT WAS SHARED WITH ME AS WELL.
UM, IT INVOLVES TRAFFIC BEING SPLIT COMING INTO RED DAM, GOING TO MEDICAL CENTER AND RED DAM ROAD TO BRICKYARD GOING TO JOHN SMITH.
WELL, NOBODY USES JOHN SMITH NOW 'CAUSE THAT INTERSECTION IS UNUSABLE.
YOU KNOW, SO ALL THAT TRAFFIC'S GONNA HAVE TO GO TO MEDICAL CENTER.
WELL, EXCEPT THERE'S A LIGHT GOING IN IT.
AND WELL, AND THAT'S MY QUESTION.
WE TALK ABOUT NOT OPENING THIS ROAD UNTIL THIS DEVELOPMENT'S DONE.
WELL, HOW ABOUT ALL THAT CONSTRUCTION AT EXIT EIGHT? ARE WE GONNA WAIT UNTIL THAT'S DONE? 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA CAUSE HUGE TIE UP AS WELL.
I'M NOT SURE I'LL BE ALIVE WHEN THAT WELL, ME EITHER.
BUT THAT'S MY QUESTION BECAUSE I MEAN, IF WE HAVE, AND THEN WE COME INTO THAT CONSTRUCTION AND THEN, UM, WHAT DO WE HAVE FOR SAKE OF TIME? I MEAN, WE TALK ABOUT THIS TRAFFIC STUDY.
UM, I HAVE, MY FATHER LIVED IN MARGARITAVILLE AND I KNOW ABOUT THAT TRAFFIC AS WELL.
UM, SO WHAT'S THE TRAFFIC COUNT ON THAT ROAD COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH 5,000 ROOFTOPS HERE? YOU KNOW, I MEAN 120.
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WELL, I MEAN, WE'RE A AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY.AND THERE'S A HECK OF A LOT OF CARS GO OUT OF THERE IN THE MORNING.
A LOT OF CARS GO OUT OF THERE IN THE MORNING.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I I WAS JOKING WITH, WITH UM, MARK ABOUT HE DIDN'T GET UP THAT EARLY.
WELL, A LOT OF MORNINGS I HAVE MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS IN SAVANNAH WITH THE VA THAT EARLY.
SO I, I'M, I'M LEAVING TRYING TO GET OUT OF THERE AT 7, 7 30 IN THE MORNING.
AND THERE'S A FAIR NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHERE I LIVE THAT ARE 55 BUT STILL WORKING.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW THAT I SEE 'EM GO OUT IN THE MORNING, I WAVE TO 'EM.
AND WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A FEW IN MARGARITAVILLE THAT ARE STILL WORKING.
BUT YEAH, IT'S ABSOLUTELY, IT'S, I I I MEAN I KNOW THERE'S A LOT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE 95 EXPANSION AND EXIT EIGHT, RE RE REBUILDING AND EVERYTHING.
THERE'S A LOT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, BUT LONG RANGE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF VILLE.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S GONNA BE A PAIN AND ANYTIME YOU GROW IT'S A PAIN.
UM, AND, BUT, BUT I THINK OVERALL WHEN IT'S DONE, THOSE OF US THAT ARE STILL AROUND ARE GONNA REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
I HOPE TO BE, BUT, SO, ALRIGHT.
CAN WE SAY AMEN AFTER THAT?
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.
YOU READY? WE HAVE A QUESTION.
YES, AGAIN, I'M NANCY HARPER, 1788 FIFTH ANN ROAD.
I'M THE HOUSE ON THE CORNER WHERE THE ROUNDABOUTS GOING.
UM, I BELIEVE THESE TWO GENTLEMEN SAID THEY BOTH MET WITH ME, NOT YES, YOU DID.
AND THEY SAID I MET AND I APPRECIATE HIM COMING OUT AND MEETING WITH US.
BUT THE, I THINK THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF THE THING IS I DON'T WANT THE HOUSES BUILT OUT THERE.
WELL, NO, I DON'T WANT THE HOUSES BUILT OUT THERE, BUT I AM NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE BUILT OUT THERE.
I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILT OUT THERE.
I'VE ACCEPTED THAT A LONG TIME AGO, JUST LIKE WHEN SCHOOL WAS BUILT OUT THERE.
MY THING IS, IS WHY DO YOU THINK PUTTING SO MUCH TRAFFIC ON THAT LITTLE ROAD, AND I KNOW SHE SAID 172 CARS WILL ADD THAT TOO.
AND I KNOW YOU DID THE TRAFFIC STUDIES, BUT I LIVE OUT THERE.
THE FACT THAT THERE ARE DAILY BUSES STUDENTS WHO NOW DRIVE, BECAUSE THE HIGH SCHOOL IS NOW LOCATED BACK ON THIS CAMPUS, THEY GO TO BALL GAMES AT NIGHT AND ON THE WEEKENDS, THEY ALSO HAVE PARENTS WHO COME TO SUPPORT THEM RVS TO THE JASPER COUNTY RV PARK, THE JASPER COUNTY PARK AND PERSONNEL AND THEIR VISITORS WHO WALK ACROSS RED DAM ROAD TO FISH AND PLAY DISC GOLF MEMBERS OF RED DAM BAPTIST CHURCH WHO AVOIDS GOING DOWN BRICKYARD ROAD BECAUSE OF LIGHT SITUATION AND THE RESIDENTS JUST TO NAME OF YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE, SO THREE TIMES.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNSEL? I DO.
BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I RECOMMEND, UM, TO THE, THAT WE SEND THIS TO THE COUNCIL, UH, WITH, UH, THE CAVEAT THAT, UH, THAT THE DEVELOPER IS GONNA LOOK AT AT SAFETY OPTIONS, UH, AS WE DISCUSSED.
AND, UM, WE'LL CONTINUE TO, TO, TO, TO, TO LOOK AT, UH, SAFETY ISSUES AS, AS THE, AS THE DEVELOPMENT PROGRESSES.
CAN I ADD TO THAT, STEVE? YOU CAN.
THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL NOT OPEN ACCESS TO THE RED DAM TRAFFIC CIRCLE UNTIL THE RED DAM IMPROVEMENTS ARE COMPLETE.
YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS TO THE MOTION? I WILL SECOND OKAY.
I, I'LL SECOND IT AND JUST ASK THAT THE BUILDERS DO THEIR VERY BEST
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TO ACCOMMODATE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RIGHT AT THAT CIRCLE.WE'LL BE IN TOUCH ON THAT MEANS SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE FROM MORGAN.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE FIRST SECTION OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT INSIDE THE MORGAN TRACT.
SO KATIE, WOULD YOU WALK US THROUGH IT? OKAY.
SO I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO PRESENT TWO ITEMS TOGETHER.
UM, FIRST IS THE MORGAN TRACT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, AND THEN THE SECOND IS, UM, THE FIRST PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THE MORGAN TRACK, WHICH IS CAROLINA STATION.
WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THAT THERE WAS A PD D YEAH, THERE IS AN EXISTING PDD.
YOU ARE CORRECT, BUT THERE IS A, A NEW VERSION OF A PDD BEING PROPOSED, UM, WITH CURRENT STANDARDS WRITTEN INTO IT.
SO, OH, THIS, THIS IS OPENING UP THE PDD? YES.
SO THIS IS THE MORGAN TRACK IS A VERY LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE CENTER OF THE CITY HERE.
YOU HAVE JOHN SMITH ROAD AND PLANTATION DRIVE.
SO IT IS ALL THREE OF THESE LARGE PARCELS HERE.
AND I'VE GOT A FEW SLIDES TO WALK YOU THROUGH THIS.
UM, SO IN 2006 THERE WAS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT APPROVED AT THAT TIME IT ALLOWED RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL MIXED USE AND, AND INDUSTRIAL USES.
THE PROPOSED CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN, UM, PROPOSES MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND PARK SPACES, BUT NO INDUSTRIAL THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED.
SO I HAVE THE TWO, UM, THIS IS THE 2006 APPROVED.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED NEW RIGHT HERE.
SO FOR THE PDD IT IS APPROXIMATELY 2,629 ACRES.
UM, AND THE MAXIMUM DENSITY WOULD BE 6,700 UNITS INCLUDING UP TO 1000 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
ALONG WITH THIS PDD, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO THE FIRST INITIAL MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS THIS AREA HERE.
THIS IS A 841 ACRES OF THE OVERALL PDD.
IT'S PROPOSED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES, AMENITIES IN OPEN SPACE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A MAXIMUM OF 974 SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS, A MAXIMUM OF 370 MULTI-FAMILY ATTACHED DWELLING UNITS, WHICH TOTALS 1,344 RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THIS FIRST PHASE.
UM, AND I DO WANT TO STRESS THAT THIS FIRST PHASE DOES INCLUDE THIS SPINE ROAD RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO GET, UM, TO KEEP TRAFFIC OFF.
SOME MORE TRAFFIC OFF AT 2 78, ALLOW, UM, USE OF BOTH 46 AND 2 78 HERE.
SO THIS BUTTS UP TO MARGARITAVILLE.
YEAH, MARGARITAVILLE'S RIGHT HERE.
SO THE CITY, UM, HAS WORKED WITH, UM, THE APPLICANT ADJACENT DEVELOPERS, DOT.
AGAIN, AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER IN THE MEETING, TO ADDRESS MITIGATION FOR FUTURE AND CURRENT TRAFFIC CONCERNS RELATED TO 2 78 JOHN SMITH ROAD, PINE ARBOR ROAD, AND SC 46.
UM, THE TIA, AGAIN, AS WE DISCUSSED WITH THE OTHER APPLICATIONS, HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE CITY, DOT AND A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT.
UM, THE PROPOSED PDD AND THE IMP MEET THE INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY PROVIDING THE SPINE ROAD THAT I DISCUSSED FROM 2 78, 2 46.
UM, BECAUSE THE LAND USE ELEMENT RECOMMENDS THAT MULTIPLE CONNECTIONS BE REQUIRED FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS TO AVOID DIRECTING ALL THE TRAFFIC TO 2 78, UM, THE CITY ALSO RECOMMENDS CONNECTIVITY TO NEIGHBORING TRACKS OF LAND.
UM, WHERE PRACTICAL, THE CITY HAS WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT AND ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS.
AGAIN, UM, CONNECTIVITY IS ALIGNED WITH SOUTH POINT.
ALSO, THERE'S FUTURE CONNECT CONNECTIVITY TO THE LATITUDE COMMERCIAL TRACT AS WELL AS THE CAR TRACT.
UM, THE LAND USE ELEMENT RECOMMENDS THAT MULTIPLE CONNECTIONS BE REQUIRED FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS.
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I, SORRY, THAT'S A REPEAT.ALSO, YOU WILL HAVE THE PART THAT'S NOT, THE PARTS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR THIS BLOCK A WILL COME BACK TO YOU FOR FUTURE IN INITIAL MASTER PLANS.
UM, THERE IS A 10 FOOT MULTI-USE PATHWAY ALONG THE ENTIRE SPINE ROAD, UM, AS WELL AS SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS PROVIDED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPOSED BUFFER FOR THE PERIMETER OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
SO THIS IS FOR, UM, ANYTHING IN MARGARITAVILLE, HEIN, ARBOR ROAD, UM, MILLSTONE, ANYTHING THAT BUTS THAT 50 FEET PROPOSED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
UM, THERE IS, FOR THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, THEY'RE PROPOSING 25% TOTAL OPEN SPACE WITHIN EACH MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL WITH 8.33% ACTIVE OPEN SPACE, EXCEPT FOR WHERE IT'S RESIDENTIAL, THEN THAT IS A MINIMUM OF 30% TOTAL OPEN SPACE FOR EACH MASTER PLAN WITH 10% ACTIVE OPEN SPACE.
THE SPECIFIC INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR BLOCK A SHOWS 42% TOTAL OPEN SPACE WITH 12% ACTIVE OPEN SPACE.
UM, WE DID RECEIVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING, SO I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND, UM, TOUCH SOME OF THOSE TOPICS HERE FOR YOU.
UM, THERE WAS, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS ABOUT STORMWATER REVIEW AND FLOODING.
UM, THIS IS REVIEWED WITH EACH PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE IS, UM, DOES REVIEW THE STORMWATER.
UM, THERE CANNOT BE ADDITIONAL IMPACTS PER THE STORMWATER ORDINANCE, SO, AND THE ENGINEERS CAN BETTER EXPLAIN THIS, BUT THEY CANNOT EXCEED THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT FLOW OFF OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, PROPOSED WALLS ARE FENCING THERE.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE ARE NO PROPOSED WALLS ARE FENCING BETWEEN DEVELOPMENTS, BUT THERE IS A 50 FOOT ADDITIONAL BUFFER ON THE MORGAN TRACK SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE WERE ASKED ABOUT A GOLF CART GATE ON PARROT AVENUE.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT PROPOSED AT THIS TIME, BUT THE CONNECTOR, THE, THERE IS A ROAD CONNECTING LATITUDE COMMERCIAL TO THE MORGAN TRACK, WHICH WILL PROVIDE ACCESS THERE.
UM, AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL USE IS PROPOSED SPECIFIC COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, WILL COME MORE WITH THOSE FUTURE INITIAL MASTER PLANS.
UM, AND WHERE'S THE COMMERCIAL PROPOSED? UM, THAT IS PODS, E, F, G, AND Z, WHICH ARE CLOSEST TO US.
SO IT'S THE RED PARCELS RIGHT THERE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
THERE WILL BE TWO MOTIONS NEEDED.
ONE FOR THE PDD ONE FOR THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN.
NEXT STEP IS WORKSHOP WITH CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL.
UM, AND THEN FOR SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMITTING FOR THAT FIRST BLOCK A AND THEN INITIAL MASTER PLANS WILL COME TO YOU FOR THE OTHER PHASES.
SO BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STAFF, DOES SUGGEST, DOES SUGGEST THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF BOTH THE PDD AND THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN.
I WILL SAY THAT THE, THESE APPLICANTS HAVE WORKED, UM, FOR A VERY LONG AMOUNT OF TIME ON THIS PROJECT AND, UM, GONE THROUGH A NUMBER OF DRAFTS.
SO THEY HAVE ADDRESSED STAFF'S CONCERNS RELATED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS OF, UM, THIS MEETING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE 'CAUSE I FELT LIKE THAT WAS IMPORTANT.
SO AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE DREW AND HE CAN FILL IN ANY OTHER DETAILS AND I HAVE SOME EXHIBITS THAT I'LL GET UP FOR YOU.
UM, I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER WITH THOMAS AND HUTTON.
UM, AND WE'RE THE CONSULTANT ON THE PROJECT.
UM, I ALSO HAVE WITH ME HERE, UM, JENNIFER BEAL WITH BEAL ENGINEERING.
SHE HAS, UM, SHE'S A TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.
UM, JEFF WIGGINS WITH HIC MORGAN, UM, AND DAVID SEWELL AS WELL.
UM, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE EVERYONE AN UPDATE THERE, THERE IS A CURRENT, UM, PDD AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE MORGAN TRACT CURRENTLY IN PLACE WITH THE CITY.
UM, THERE IS A CURRENT PDD AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN PLACE FOR THE MORGAN TRACT.
UM, IT WAS ORIGINALLY EXECUTED IN 2006, UM, AND THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND, UM, PDD USES STANDARDS FROM, UM, THAT TIME.
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UM, LAND USES THAT WERE DEEMED APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY AT THAT TIME.UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS UPDATE IS TO KIND OF BRING, BRING THAT PDD UP TO CURRENT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UM, MOST OF WHICH HAVE BEEN ONLY GOTTEN MORE STRINGENT SINCE THAT TIME.
UM, AS WELL AS ADJUSTING SOME OF THE LAND USES THAT ARE NO LONGER DEEMED, UM, APPROPRIATE, UH, FOR THIS PROPERTY.
UM, COUPLE, COUPLE HIGHLIGHTS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WHAT IN, IN THE PREVIOUS PDD, UM, AS KATIE POINTED OUT, UM, INDUSTRIAL LAND USE WAS PROPOSED WITH IT.
UM, THAT LAND USE HAS NOW BEEN CONVERTED OVER TO MIXED USE.
UM, AND WE'VE ALSO ADDED, UM, SOME MORE CIVIC SPACE, UM, CIVIC AND PARK SPACE AS WELL.
I LOVE WHAT, UM, AND THAT, THAT JUST COMES FROM, AGAIN, THE INDUSTRIAL LAND USE WAS NO LONGER SEEN AS A, UM, AS AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR, FOR THIS PROPERTY.
UM, RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IS MAINTAINED.
UM, SO THERE'S NO CHANGE IN RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.
UM, THE REVISION TO THE PDD ALSO BRINGS, UM, CURRENT STORMWATER STANDARDS, WHICH WERE JUST ADOPTED IN THE CURRENT MZDO, UM, IN FEBRUARY, 2024.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE WATER QUALITY AND STORMWATER DETENTION.
UM, WE HAVE DONE MASTER PLANNING, STORMWATER MODELING FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS IN LINE WITH, WITH THOSE, UM, CURRENT STANDARDS AS WELL.
UM, UH, THE BUFFERS, UM, IN THE CURRENT PDD, UM, FOR RESIDENTIAL TO RESIDENTIAL LAND USES.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, FROM LATITUDE TO THE MORGAN TRACT, UM, AS IT READS RIGHT NOW IS 10 FEET.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO INCREASE THAT TO 50 FEET, UM, AND ALSO INCLUDE CURRENT BUFFER LANDSCAPING STANDARDS AS WELL.
UM, THE, THE, UM, CURRENT PDD USES LANDSCAPING STANDARDS, UM, AGAIN FROM 2006.
THOSE WERE RECENTLY UPDATED, SO WE ARE CARRYING THOSE FORWARD SO THAT WE HAVE, UM, APPROPRIATE DENSITIES OF PLANTINGS.
UM, ANY FENCING, ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT WERE REQUIRED THROUGH THAT NEW ORDINANCE, UM, IS, IS CARRIED INTO THIS PDD.
UM, THE LAST THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS, UH, TRAFFIC.
UM, WE, UM, HAVE WORKED WITH THE CITY FAIRLY SIGNIFICANTLY ON TRAFFIC.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A SPINE ROAD, WHICH YOU COULD SEE KATIE POINTED OUT DOWN THE MIDDLE THERE.
SO THAT, THAT SPINE ROAD IS, IS ENTIRELY BY THE DEVELOPER.
UM, IT WOULD CONNECT, UM, 2 78 TO SC 46.
UM, RIGHT NOW THE ONLY OTHER CONNECTION, UM, OUTSIDE OF 1 74 US 2 78 AND 46 IS UM, 17 IN JOHN SMITH ROAD.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY ALLEVIATING SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC AS WELL.
UM, THE TRAFFIC STUDY HAS BEEN APPROVED BY S-C-D-O-T.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE AN APPROVED ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN WITH S-C-D-O-T ON THE ACCESS POINTS.
UM, ALL ROADS AROUND THE MORGAN TRACK ARE S-C-D-O-T ON ROADS, SO THAT'S JOHN SMITH, UM, US 2 78 AND, UM, SC 46 PINE ARBOR.
UM, THE LAST PART OF TRAFFIC, UM, THE OWNERS SAID THEY, THEY'VE ACTUALLY ARE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH A, UM, MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING IN MOU WITH THE CITY, UM, TO FULLY FUND THE JOHN SMITH ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT INTERSECTION, UM, HAS SOME ISSUES RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND I HAVE SOME EXHIBITS THAT I COULD SHOW THAT KIND OF SHOW WHAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE.
BUT, UM, ESSENTIALLY SIGNALIZES THE INTERSECTION, UM, AS LEFT TURN LANES DUAL LEFT TURN LANES OFF 2 78, UM, AND ADDITIONAL TURN LANES ON JOHN SMITH ROAD AS WELL.
UM, I GUESS WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE.
UM, WE MIGHT AS WELL TALK ABOUT YOUR EGRESS AND INGRESS AND RIGHT TURN OR RIGHT IN WRITE OUTS AND ALL THAT.
SO JENNIFER, WHY DON'T YOU JOIN US? GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY.
JENNIFER BEAL WITH BE ENGINEERING.
WE DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE SITE AND HAVE DONE MANY.
ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE.
WE GOT LOTS OF, LOTS OF, LOTS OF DATA AND INFORMATION.
SO, UM, BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE GOT, UM, AS, AS DREW SAID, WE HAVE APPROVED ACCESS POINT PLAN ON 2 78 WITH THE, UM, WITH THIS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
AND ULTIMATELY, UH, STARTING OUT, UH, SOME OF THE INTERSECTIONS WILL BE FULL ACCESS WHERE YOU WILL HAVE MOVEMENTS IN AND OUT.
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HAVE A A MULTI-PHASE STUDY.AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR, FOUR DIFFERENT PHASES IN EACH PHASE.
UM, WE KIND OF WORK, WE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ADDED ON, YOU KNOW, WE DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WE LOOK WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED FOR THAT PHASE, AND THEN WE MOVE FORWARD.
AS DREW MENTIONED, THE DEVELOPERS ACTUALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH THE JOHN SMITH IMPROVEMENTS, UM, UM, EARLY ON THAT ARE ACTUALLY SHARED.
A COUPLE DIFFERENT STUDIES IDENTIFY THOSE, BUT THEY'RE TAKING THOSE ON.
WHY DON'T YOU WALK US THROUGH THE INTERSECTION STARTING IN THE UPPER RIGHT AND WALK US AROUND ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 46.
UM, SO STARTING AT THE, UM, SO STARTING HERE, THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS WILL START OUT AS A FULL ACCESS AND THEN IT'LL BE CONVERTED TO A, UH, LEFT IN, UM, BUT ONLY RIGHT OUT.
SO IT IS WHAT WE CALL THREE QUARTER ACCESS.
SO YOU CAN COME IN FROM EITHER DIRECTION, BUT YOU CAN ONLY LEAVE RIGHT OUT.
ALRIGHT, SO THE, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE TRYING TO ORIENT YOURSELVES, OPPOSITE THAT IS THE EXIT, THE CONNECTION AT BRICKYARD ROAD IN 2 78, THE, THE THE ONE CLOSER TO ONE 70.
SO YOU'VE KIND OF, BRICKYARD KIND OF COMES OUT OVER, UH, TO JOHN SMITH AS WELL, BUT YES.
WHERE BRICKYARD KIND OF THIS, THIS EASTERN BRICKYARD CONNECTION, RIGHT BY THE WAREHOUSE.
SO YES, SO THAT'LL START AS A FULL ACCESS THAT'LL GET CONVERTED TO, WAIT A MINUTE, ISN'T THE, THE LUMBERYARD WAREHOUSE IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM JOHN SMITH? YEAH, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS BRICKYARD.
HOW ABOUT THE MINI WAREHOUSES? SO YEAH, MINI WAREHOUSE IN BRICKYARD, BRICKYARD KINDA DOES THIS AND OH, THE STORAGE, STORAGE SHED, THEY USED STORE OR WHATEVER.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHERE ONE OF THE GATES IS NOW WILL BE, WELL THERE IS A GATES THERE NOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE, YEAH, THIS WAS NOT A GATED COMMUNITY.
GOING DOWN 2 78, THERE ARE TWO ROADS GOING IN THERE THAT ARE GATED.
THERE'S A GATE FARM GATES, NOT, NOT, NOT THOSE ARE ON.
YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY STRYKER ROAD.
UM, AND THE GATE YOU'RE SPEAKING OF IS ACTUALLY ON THE ADJACENT PIECE OF PROPERTY? UM, IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ON THE MORTGAGE ACT.
SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF IN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER WHERE YOU SEE WHERE US 2 78 IS? YEAH, APPROXIMATELY RIGHT OVER THERE.
STRYKER ROAD PART IS THAT PROPERTY.
SO STRYKER ROAD, UM, RUNS NORTH SOUTH AND IT ACTUALLY
UM, AND THERE IS, UM, AN EASEMENT ON EACH SIDE.
UM, SO IT'S A SHARED, A SHARED ROADWAY BETWEEN BOTH PIECES OF PROPERTY AND THAT THAT'S A PRIVATE ROAD RIGHT NOW.
IT'S, UM, SO IT'S NOT A, AND THERE, AS FAR AS THIS, THERE ARE NO PLANS TO HAVE ANY SORT OF IMPROVEMENT TO STRYKER ROAD, UM, AS A PART OF THIS PROJECT.
SO, OKAY, GO AHEAD AND FINISH.
ALRIGHT, WELL, SO THAT WAS YOUR FIRST, SO THAT'S THE FIRST ACCESS POINT.
THE SECOND ACCESS POINT IS THE SPINE ROAD.
THIS WILL BE A FULL ACCESS SIGNALED INTERSECTION.
AND THEN THAT IS, AS DREW AND KATIE HAVE POINTED OUT, THAT SPINE ROAD GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO UM, 46.
AND THEN LASTLY WE HAVE THE, UM, THE THIRD ACCESS POINT HERE, AND THAT IS ALSO A THREE QUARTER ACCESS, I BELIEVE.
UM, AND THEY WILL ALSO HAVE RIGHT TURN LANES AND LEFT TURN LANES AS WE, AS WE KIND OF, AS, AS THEY ARE.
THEY HAVE SOME, SOME OF 'EM HAVE TODAY, SOME OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE EXTENDED.
UM, BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'LL HAVE THE THREE QUARTER ACCESS POINTS AND THEN THE, THE, UM, SIGNAL IN THE MIDDLE THERE AND THEN JOHN SMITH WILL BE SIGNALED AS WELL AT THE, AT THE BUILD OUT CONDITIONS.
AND THEN AS YOU COME DOWN, JOHN SMITH, SO WHEN YOU, YOU'VE LINED YOUR PRO, YOU'VE LINED UP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE ROAD WITH SOME OF YOUR CONNECTIONS RIGHT POINT? CORRECT.
SO YEAH, WE'RE SOUTH POINT HAS SOME OF THEIR CONNECTIONS.
WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO KIND OF LINE UP, SO OUR TWO MAJOR ACCESS POINTS ON JOHN SMITH ARE, ARE KIND OF HERE AND THAT IS PLANNED TO BE FULL, FULL ACCESS.
UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DOT ON WHAT TYPE OF INTERSECTION THAT MAY BE.
UM, IF IT'LL JUST BE A REGULAR INTERSECTION, UM, OR IF IT'LL HAVE A, A ROUNDABOUT THERE.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO WE'VE GOT PINE ARBOR AT, UM, PINE ARBOR TODAY.
ACTUALLY WE DON'T ACCESS THAT DIRECTLY.
IT IS ONE OF OUR STUDY AREA INTERSECTIONS, BUT THE SOUTH POINT HAS US THAT FOURTH LEG TO THAT AS WELL.
AND THERE'LL BE IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT INTERSECTION AS WELL.
YOU'LL CONNECT TO, YOU'LL HAVE PART OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT CONNECTING TO THAT INTERSECTION ALSO? UM, WELL WE CONNECT TO PINE ARBOR THAT WE DON'T CONNECT.
BUT YEAH, WE'LL CONNECT TO PINE ARBOR THAT THEN CONNECTS TO JOHN SMITH.
AND DREW, THERE'S NOT ONE DOWN.
THIS IS, THIS IS BAR JOHN SMITH, RIGHT? THIS IS PAR, RIGHT.
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MAP? THE RESIDENTIALS ARE, PLEASE HOLD YOUR QUESTION.AND THEN WE'VE GOT DOWN HERE AND THEN, SO THOSE ARE OUR MAIN ACCESS POINTS THERE.
AND THEN 46 WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE A LITTLE, UM, PROBABLY LESS DEFINED FROM, WE'VE ANALYZED THEM AS AS, AS AS INTERSECTIONS.
BUT, UM, WE'VE GOT A ACCESS POINT INTO THIS, A FULL ACCESS POINT INTO THIS PARCEL HERE.
THE SPINE ROAD, UM, WILL COME DOWN AND THIS IS, UH, THIS WILL, THIS WILL BE DOWN HERE.
THIS WILL PROBABLY BE A ROUNDABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S ACCESS POINTS TO THE COMMERCIAL TO THIS ACCESS POINT HERE.
THERE'LL BE FULL ACCESS AND THEN THERE'S A, THERE'LL BE ACCESS TO THESE COMMERCIAL PIECES AS WELL.
OH, AS I RECALL YOU, YOU'RE PROPOSING NINE ACCESS POINTS.
I THINK IT'S NINE PLUS THE SPINE ROAD.
UM, SO QUITE A FEW, QUITE A FEW ACCESS POINTS.
IT'S A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT CONNECTS TO A LOT OF STREETS.
WE MEETING THE DOT SPACING STANDARDS, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR SPACING OF THESE LOCATIONS AND HAVE KIND OF COORDINATED WITH THEM ON WHETHER IT'S A SIGNAL OR ROUNDABOUT OR FULL ACCESS OR WRITE IN WRITE OUT OR THREE.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE A BETTER SITUATION THAN EXISTS AT MARGARITAVILLE OR HILTON HEAD LAKES BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY MORE OPPORTUNITIES.
THERE'S MANY WAYS TO GET IN AND OUT.
AND WE'LL HAVE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN, UM, ALSO AS KIND OF PART OF THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THIS CONNECTIVITY HERE.
WE'LL ALSO HAVE CONNECTIVITY ACROSS, UM, IN THIS NORTHERN SECTION TO CONNECT THE SPINE ROAD.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT MAY NOT BE A DIRECT ROAD, BUT YOU KNOW, TO, TO CONNECT THAT SPINE ROAD TO UH, JOHN SMITH AS WELL TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT CONNECTIVITY AND WITHIN THE NETWORK OF THIS, OF THE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER, LIKE OUR KIND OF MAJOR, MORE MAJOR ROADS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT ARE GONNA BE REALLY THIS NORTH SOUTH.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KIND OF ACCESS ACROSS, UM, WITH THE COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE, UM, CONNECTIVITY.
THAT LAYS IT OUT FOR EVERYBODY.
SO ANY PLANNING COMMISSION QUESTIONS, STEVE? YEP.
YOU'RE GONNA BUILD THE SPINE ROAD FIRST.
UM, THE SPINE ROAD'S INCLUDED IN OUR INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR IT.
UM, IT WILL BE, IT WILL BE BUILT AS, UM, RE INCLUDED IN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AS, OH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE DONE ALL AT ONCE.
IT'S GONNA BE SECTIONED NORTH, SOUTH.
SO, ALL RIGHT, LEMME GO BACK UP, BACK UP THERE.
WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT IT IS ALL IN THIS FIRST MASTER PLAN.
SO SPINE ROAD IS GONNA BE DONE IN PHASES.
THEN MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU PLAN ON USING STRYKER ROAD FOR YOUR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC? UM, I BELIEVE THEY, THERE MAY BE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ON STRYKER ROAD.
WE'VE, WE ALSO HAVE, MY, MY QUESTION IS NOT MAYBE DO YOU PLAN ON USING STRIKER ROAD FOR YOUR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC? I WOULD IMAGINE THERE WILL BE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.
AND YOU'RE SAYING STRYKER ROAD'S A PRIVATE ROAD? THEY OWN IT.
UH, STRYKER ROAD, IT BISECTS, UM, BOTH THE, I BELIEVE IT'S OWNED BY MINOW TO THE EAST AND IT'S 20 FEET MORGAN TRACK TO THE WEST, 10, 10 FEET ON MARGARITAVILLE OR 10 FEET ON, ON MINTOS PROPERTY AND 10 FEET ON ON UM, THIS PROPERTY.
IT'D BE PERFECT FOR BOTH SIDES TO BE USING THAT ROAD FOR CONSTRUCTION.
I BELIEVE IT'S CURRENTLY USED AS A CONSTRUCTION ROAD TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHO'S USING IT, USING IT BECAUSE MARGARITAVILLE'S NOT USING IT.
THEY'RE RUNNING THEIR, THEIR CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES RIGHT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY WERE RUNNING LAWN AND TRAFFIC STRIKE.
AND THERE IS ALSO, UM, AN INTERNAL ROADWAY.
NO, IT'S THEIR EXISTING DIRT ROADS ON MORGAN TRACK.
UM, THOSE WOULD ALSO BE UTILIZED AS WELL.
WE HAVE A CONSTRUCTION HAVE A PROBLEM.
SO THAT STRYKER ROAD IS JUST FOR REASON.
I ASSUME THERE ARE PEOPLE LIVE ON IT.
STRIKER ROAD HAS NOT BEEN MASTER PLAN, IT IS NOT BUILT AND PEOPLE DO NOT LIVE DIRECTLY OFF OF IT.
YES, IT IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO SOME,
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SOME HOUSES IN, IN THE, UM, LATITUDE AREA.AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED.
IT IS ALSO HALFWAY OWNED BY MINTO AND HALFWAY OWNED BY THE DEVELOPERS OF THIS PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S GOT TO BE A LOT MORE CONVERSATION IN THAT BEFORE.
UM, SO THE EXISTING HOUSES ARE MINTO HOUSES.
THEY DON'T FRONT ON STRIKER ROAD, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE UH, YES.
YOU CAN SEE IT, RIGHT? YEAH, YOU CAN SEE WHERE WHERE IT COMES DOWN, DOWN IN THIS AREA.
THAT THOSE ISN'T, OKAY, LET ME SEE HERE.
IS IT THAT MARGARITAVILLE? YES.
SO MY QUESTION AGAIN IS, WILL STRYKER ROAD BE USED TO MOVE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC? OBVIOUSLY YES.
NO, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT, DID WE? OH, YES.
THAT'S THE FIRST THING EVERYBODY, SO MARGARITAVILLE GETS REAL CLOSE TO THIS STRYKER ROAD DIRT ROAD THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT POTENTIALLY IS USED BY CONSTRUCT FOR CONSTRUCTION BY BOTH TRACKS OF LAND.
YEAH, IT'S ABOUT 50 FEET BEHIND THE HOUSE.
IT'S NOT RUNNING THROUGH THE, IT'S NOT RUNNING THROUGH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE IT IS THE REST OF US IN MARGARITAVILLE ENOUGH, ENOUGH COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, YOU GET YOUR CHANCE LATER.
RIGHT NOW THIS IS PLANNING COMMISSIONS.
SO, UM, SO AS YOU BUILD THE SPINE ROAD AS IT COMES DOWN IN, IN PHASES, WHERE IS IT GONNA CONNECT TO WHERE I GUESS IT'S DOWN, IT'S GONNA BE DOWN ON THE CAR TRACK WHERE IT WILL CONNECT WITH THE FUTURE MARGARITAVILLE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE NEW FIRE STATION AND ALL THAT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A LONG WAY DOWN THE ROAD.
IT'S IT'S SOUTH OF THE ELECTRIC LINES, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S DOWN HERE.
UM, I BELIEVE, UM, THAT CONNECTOR ROAD, IT IS INCLUDED IN THAT, UM, INITIAL MASTER PLAN SECTION.
UM, MY NEXT, NEXT QUESTION IS ON, UM, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN WITH, WITH TRAFFIC ON JOHN SMITH.
UM, AND YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DO THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE INTERSECTION AND ALL THAT? YEAH.
UH, IT'S, IT'S CURRENTLY, UM, THROUGH DOT, IT'S AN UNFUNDED PROJECT.
UM, AND THIS DEVELOPER HAS OFFERED FUNDS TOO OKAY.
HOW ARE YOU GONNA GET YOUR WATER POWER AND SURGE IN? IS THAT GONNA COME DOWN THE SPINE ROAD OR IS THAT GONNA COME OFF JOHN SMITH SPINE ROAD? WELL, UM, INITIALLY IT WILL COME OFF, UM, UP THE SPINE ROAD.
UM, AND THROUGH THE FAR EASTERN ENTRANCE YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT THERE, IT'LL FOLLOW THAT ROUTE AND CONNECT INTO EXISTING, BECAUSE 78 SOUTH POINT IS GONNA RUN THEIR UTILITIES DOWN.
WELL, AT LEAST IN THE FIRST THING WE'RE LOOKING AT, THEY'RE GONNA CONNECT TO A 24 INCH FORCE MAIN ON 2 78 AND ARE GONNA CONNECT TO A 24 INCH WATER LINE ON 2 78 2.
SO THEY GOT TWO BIG PIPES COMING IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH.
AND WE, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING, UM, WITH BEAVER, JASPER ON THAT, ON THOSE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL.
AND YOU PROPOSE IN SIDEWALKS? UH, YES SIR.
THERE'S A NETWORK OF SIDEWALKS, UM, TRAILS AND THEN ALSO A 10 FOOT MULTI-USE PATHWAY THAT WOULD RUN THE LENGTH OF THE SPINE ROAD THERE.
UM, I KNOW I'M BOUNCING BACK AND BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE PDD AND THE MASTER PLAN.
UM, SO I'M GONNA STEAL A LITTLE BIT OF MARK'S THUNDER AND ASK WHEN YOU STREET LIGHTING, WOULD YOU CONSIDER SOLAR? UM, WELL, STREET LIGHTING, WE WOULD HAVE TO CHECK ON WITH DOMINION ON THAT.
UM, SOME OF THESE WILL BE, UM, PUBLIC OWNED ROADWAYS.
UM, AND THEY'RE, THEY WOULD HAVE YEAH, THE, THE SPINE ROAD, SORRY IF I'M YEAH.
THE SPINE ROAD ULTIMATELY COMES A CITY ROAD.
UM, ULTIMATELY, UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE YOU FROM PUTTING SOLAR STREETLIGHTS ON YOUR PROPERTY? UM, IT DOES NOT.
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UM, DOMINION GENERALLY OWNS THOSE, UM, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO COORDINATE THAT WITH THEM.IF THEY'RE DOMINION, THEY'RE GONNA USE ELECTRICITY.
NO, I'M, THAT'S, I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND, AND THAT IS, UH, STRYKER ROAD.
IS IT IN ANY WAY CONNECTED TO PARROT AVENUE? CAN YOU DRIVE FROM STRYKER ROAD TO PARROT AVENUE NOW, WHICH IS WHERE THE HOUSES ARE? THAT I I DON'T, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THOUGH.
WELL, THEY COULD WALK OVER THERE, BUT, ALL RIGHT.
ANYTHING ELSE, RICK? JEFF? I HAVE SOME.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S START WITH THE, THE PDD STRIKE.
SO WE'VE GOT 50 FOOT BUFFERS ALONG THE PERIMETER ROAD NOW.
RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING YOU SHOW ALONG THE PERIMETER ROAD, INTERRUPTED PERIMETER, NOT RED, THE PERIMETER, EXCUSE ME, IS, UM, COMMERCIAL.
I DON'T SEE ANY, UH, RESIDENTIAL THAT'S SLATED TO A BUTT LIKE 2 78 OR, OR, UH, MAIN STREET DIRECTLY.
SO THE YELLOW, WHAT YOU SEE THERE WOULD BE WHAT'S PROPOSED AS RESIDE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
UM, AND THE 50 FOOT BUFFER WOULD BE ALONG THE OUTSIDE OF THE ENTIRE PDD CORRECT.
SO THERE WOULD BE A 50 FOOT BUFFER WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AS WELL.
UM, WELL, MY CONCERN IS IF IN THE FUTURE YOU CHANGE WHAT YOU DESIGNATE AS COMMERCIAL AND THESE PDDS ARE WANT TO CHANGE OVER TIME AND MORPH INTO SOMETHING ELSE, A 50 FOOT BUFFER FOR RESIDENTIAL, AND I, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY NOW, BUT IF YOU CONVERT SOME OF THIS TO RESIDENTIAL, A 50 FOOT BUFFER BECOME, IT WOULD BE INADEQUATE TO ME ALONG 2 78 AND JOHN SMITH.
AND THE REAL KEY WOULD BE PREVENTING NOISE POLLUTION INTO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE IT.
UM, IF IT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO MILLION.
IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR THAT CHANGE FOR ANY CHANGES.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THERE IS A CURRENT HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT, UM, ON 2 78.
AND THIS PD DOES, UH, IS SUBJECT TO THAT.
STEVE'S ALREADY ASKED ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE AND YOU'RE SAYING STRYKER ROAD IS YOUR, MAYBE, MAYBE FOR THE FIRST PHASES, IN FACT THE, THE, UH, MASTER PLAN WE'RE CONSIDERING TODAY.
BEYOND THAT, WE HAVE NO CLUE, BUT, UH, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT.
AND I'M SURPRISED STEVE DIDN'T GET THIS ONE.
YOU FOUND THREE NATIVE AMERICAN SITES, TWO OF WHICH WEREN'T REALLY NOTEWORTHY BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN PLOWED UP FOR PINE TREES, BUT ONE HAD THE POTENTIAL TO BE ON THE HISTORIC REGISTER.
THIS WILL GO TO THE STATE, OBVIOUSLY.
HAVE YOU BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH THE STATE ON THIS? WE HAVE, UM, WE ACTUALLY, UM, AS A PART OF OUR WETLAND PERMIT, WE HAVE TO DO RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS, UM, WHICH REQUIRE THAT THOSE EITHER BE, UM, BUFFERED AND UNDISTURBED OR, UM, BE, UM, I GUESS, UH, BE, UH, DEALT WITH IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SHIPPO REQUIREMENTS.
UM, UH, RIGHT NOW THE PLAN IS TO BUFFER THEM.
CATHERINE'S, I'M SURPRISED YOU DIDN'T ASK ABOUT IT.
I'M NOW MOVING ON TO THE MASTER PLAN.
SO FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, COULD YOU TELL THE FOLKS
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WHAT PODS ARE INCLUDED IN BLOCK A, THE MASTER PLAN WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY? UM, YES.SO IT WOULD BE, THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN ADDED TO THIS MAP THAT YOU SEE HERE.
THEY'RE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO READ.
WE COULD ZOOM IN, BUT, UM, IT WOULD BE PODS A, B, AND C, WHICH ARE THE THREE, UM, YELLOW AREAS KIND OF TO THE NORTHEAST THERE.
UM, POD D, WHICH, UM, THAT'S A MULTIFAMILY AREA.
UM, AND THEN PODS, NOP AND RR.
AND THAT TAKES YOU DOWN TO THE POWER EASEMENT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO I HAD TO ASK, UM, THE BLOCK DEVELOPMENT OF THIS BLOCK IS GOING TO BE PHASED, I ASSUME? YES.
ALL ONE DEVELOPER, ALL ONE BUILDER.
WHAT IS YOUR TIMELINE FOR DOING THE MULTIFAMILY UP ON THE NORTH SIDE? THOSE, UM, I WOULD ESTIMATE THAT THAT WILL NOT BE A PART OF, UM, PHASE ONE.
THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT.
OH, REALLY? A MULTIFAMILY IS NOT PHASE ONE.
WHAT DO YOU, AGAIN, WHAT'S YOUR TIMELINE ON IT THEN? UM, I WOULD ESTIMATE APPROXIMATELY, UM, TWO TO THREE YEARS BEFORE IT WOULD BE COMPLETED.
BUILD OUT IN TWO TO THREE YEARS.
THE, THE, OH, SORRY, THE WHOLE THING OR THE MULTIFAMILY AREA? THE MULTIFAMILY AREA, YEAH.
IT WOULD PRO, SO THE MULTIFAMILY AREA.
UM, WE, WE HAVE SOME, UM, WETLAND PERMITTING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE COMPLETED FOR THAT.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THROUGH THAT FIRST.
THAT WOULD BE THE REASON FOR THAT EXTENDED TIMELINE.
AND THEN THE SOUTHERN PODS, UM, FOR, SO THE PODS, A, B, AND C, THOSE WOULD BE THE FIR THE INITIAL PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, PHASE TWO WOULD MOVE DOWN TO POD O AND N.
UM, AND THEN THE FINAL PHASE WOULD BE POD P.
UM, I WOULD ESTIMATE POD O, UM, WITHIN, I WOULD ESTIMATE WITHIN FOUR YEARS.
UM, AND THEN POD P WITHIN, UM, FIVE TO SIX.
UM, LET'S SEE, I WAS CONFUSED WHEN I LOOKED AT THE MAP.
IS THERE A CONNECTION TO JOHN SMITH IN THIS PHASE RIGHT THERE? OR AM I JUST READING IT WRONG? UM, THERE IS, THERE WOULD BE A CONNECTION OUT TO JOHN SMITH, UM, AS A PART OF THE INITIAL MEASUREMENT.
SO THAT WILL GIVE YOU TWO MEANS OF EGRESS UP HERE AND ONE OVER ON JOHN SMITH.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY AS YOU BUILD DOWN, YOU GET TO 46.
UM, WASTEWATER, WHEN I LOOKED AT YOUR WASTEWATER PLANS, YOU'VE GOT TWO LIFT STATIONS DOWN HERE IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THIS GROUP OF YOU'RE DEVELOPING, BUT NOTHING UP IN HERE.
ARE YOU GONNA GRAVITY FEED? I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A FORCE MAIN CONNECTION ON 2 78, SO YOU HAVE TO GO FORCED INTO THE, TO THE STREET.
SO ARE YOU GONNA JUST GRAVITY ALL THIS DOWN TO YOUR FIRST LIFT STATION? UM, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER PUMP STATION RIGHT HERE.
THAT LITTLE GREEN DOT OR SORRY.
UM, THE, IT LOOKS LIKE A BLACK SMUDGE ON AT THIS SCALE.
UM, BUT THERE WOULD BE A PUMP STATION THERE.
THAT'S, THESE OTHER PUMP STATIONS WOULD ULTIMATELY REPU INTO THAT ONE, WHICH WOULD TIE IN ON 2 78.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S KIND OF YOUR HUB? YES, SIR.
THIS, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE THE REGIONAL STATION FOR THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY.
ALRIGHT, THAT IS ALL OF MY QUESTIONS.
ANY FOLLOW UP FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION? I HAVE, I HAVE ONE.
THE ONCE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC STARTS ON UH, STRYKER ROAD, WHAT'S YOUR ESTIMATE? WHEN DO YOU THINK IT WOULD TERMINATE AS BEING USED? BULK.
WHEN, WHEN WOULD THAT BE RELIEVED? UM, I WOULD ESTIMATE THAT THE BULK OF IT WOULD BE RELIEVED FAIRLY EARLY ONCE THE INIT THE, UM, INITIAL ACCESS POINT IS CONSTRUCTED.
UM, RIGHT NOW UNFORTUNATELY THIS PROPERTY IS ABOUT 12 FEET BELOW US, 2 78.
UM, SO, AND THERE, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THE GREEN HERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL WETLANDS THERE.
UM, SO UNTIL THIS IS BUILT, UM, THERE IS
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NO REAL OTHER ACCESS, UM, TO THE PROPERTY THERE.WOULD YOU SAY A YEAR, WOULD YOU SAY TWO YEAR? WHAT, JEFF, DO YOU I'D SAY YEAR.
LEMME START SLOWING DOWN DRASTICALLY HERE.
THE PLAN IS TO USE THAT ENTRANCE HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
AND AGAIN, THAT, THAT SPEAKS TO THE MORGAN TRACK DEVELOPMENT.
IT DOESN'T SPEAK TO WHAT MINTO MAY USE IT FOR.
JEFF, ANYMORE? STEVE? UH, YEAH, JUST WHEN DO YOU FORESEE THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT COMING ONLINE? GUESSTIMATE.
THAT WAY I KNOW THERE'S BEEN, UM, OH, THE MAYOR'S HERE.
SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMERCIAL.
YEAH, WE REALLY AREN'T IN, I'M SORRY, JEFF WIGGINS WITH HIC, UM, THE DEVELOPER SIDE.
SO WE REALLY AREN'T IN ANY SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, THE COMMERCIAL SIDE YET.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPEN, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH RETAIL, YOU KNOW, WITH UM, WITH SHOPPING CENTER KIND PEOPLE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REALLY ON THE BOOKS YET.
WHY I ASK IS WE'RE BUILDING HOUSES WITH NO COMMERCIAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT IT.
WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE FAMILIES IN HERE.
WHERE DO THEY GO? THEY GO TO BLUFFTON OR BUFORT TO DO SHOPPING AND RESTAURANTS AND WHATEVER.
GOTTA GO DOWN TO WALMART TO GET GROCERIES.
THAT'S, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE, I I I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT, I MEAN, THERE HAS TO BE SO MUCH, BUT WHEN I MOVED HERE 13 YEARS AGO, I WAS TOLD ONCE, ONCE WE HAVE 3000 HOMES, WHICH WAS THEN HILTON HEAD LAKES NORTH OR SOUTH, SOUTH HILL, LAKE SOUTH.
ONCE WE HAD 3000 HOMES, WE'D SEE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, WE'RE COST TO 4,200 HOMES IN THERE NOW.
AND THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO NOW YOU, YOU FOLKS ARE COMING IN AND PROPOSING THOUSAND, THOUSANDS MORE HOMES WITH NO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, I'M JUST CURIOUS SOMEBODY AS TO WHY TO WANT SOMEBODY HAS TO WANT TO DEVELOP IT.
AND, AND THAT, AND I THINK ONCE WE GET, YOU SEE THESE PROJECTS GETTING APPROVED, YOU WILL SEE ONCE THAT GETS THE PAPER OR WHATEVER, YOU'LL SEE MORE PEOPLE START KNOCKING ON THE DOOR NOW.
UM, THEY HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T, THERE'LL BE SOME ACTIVITY COMING, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT BUT YOU ARE NOT ACTIVELY GOING OUT AND TRYING TO FIND PEOPLE? NOT NECESSARILY.
I THINK ONCE WE ACTUALLY DO THAT, WE WILL.
I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S GROCERY STORES AND STUFF LOOKING IN THIS AREA.
SO WHERE THE COMMERCIAL LATITUDES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, GUYS? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, LET'S OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
JOHN THOMPSON, JOHN G. THOMPSON.
'CAUSE THERE'S A BUNCH OF ME OUT THERE.
MY WIFE WAS THE SOURCE OF MOST OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
AS FAR AS STORM WATER MANAGEMENT GOES, WHO REVIEWS IT? WHO APPROVES IT? UH, SECURITY.
STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA HAS TO APPROVE ALL THE, AS WELL AS STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE.
YOU'RE RUNNING INTO MY, I'M SORRY.
LEMME JUST GO THROUGH THESE BECAUSE OKAY.
UM, EITHER AT EITHER 10 FEET OR 50 FEET.
ALLIGATORS ARE NOT A DETERRENT FOR PEOPLE CROSSING THROUGH THERE.
UH, I CAN'T, WE HAVE SEVERAL ATTRACTIVE NUISANCES THAT AS SENIORS WE MANAGE, BUT TEENAGERS AND OTHERS COMING THROUGH AND USE THEM, UH, THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY A PROBLEM.
CAN I ANSWER THAT ONE? NO, I GOTTA GET THROUGH MY LIST.
UM, ALSO MISSING OUR PHASES SIX AND EIGHT.
THAT ALSO ABUT UP TO THOSE LINES.
THEY'RE NOT READY FOR 'EM YET.
PHASE SIX WILL BE STARTING VERY SOON.
PHASE EIGHT TALKING PHASE, HE TALKING MARGARITAVILLE PHASE SIX.
MARGARITAVILLE PHASES SIX AND EIGHT.
SIX IS ABOUT TO START BUILDING.
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STRYKER ROAD.STRYKER ROAD, SHRINER ROAD IS BEING USED ALL TIMES OF THE DAY.
IT'S, MINTO IS SUPPOSED TO LOCK IT AT FIVE AND OPEN IT AT EIGHT.
THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AS FAR AS DRS USE OF THAT ROAD.
THEY ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO USE THAT ALL THE WAY DOWN BECAUSE ONCE THEY GET SOME OF IT DONE AND THEY'VE PUT UP THEIR FINAL LIFT LIKE MARGARITA DID, PEOPLE ARE GONNA SCREAM BLOODY MURDER.
WITH ALL THAT TRAFFIC COMING DOWN.
OUR HOUSES SIT ANYWHERE FROM 10 FEET TO 50 FEET FROM STRIKER ROAD BERM OR NOT.
I HAPPEN TO SIT 50 FEET WITHOUT A BERM.
I CAN SEE TRAFFIC MOVE THROUGH THERE.
SOMETHING I DON'T SEE ADDRESSED IS FIRE, POLICE, MEDICAL SUPPORT SERVICES.
UM, THAT IS CERTAINLY LARGE ENOUGH THAT IT SHOULD HAVE IT'S COVERED.
IT'S COME, IT'S COVERED DOWN WHEN IT WASN'T MENTIONED.
WELL, WHEN, WHEN MINTO STARTS DEVELOPING THE CONTRACT, THE, THE, THE MINTO HAS PLANS FOR A FIRE STATION IN THE NEW SECTION DOWN SOUTH.
THIS DOESN'T, THAT'S GONNA SERVICE THIS SECTION THAT'S GONNA SERVICE ALL OF THAT.
WE, WE ACTUALLY WHERE'S, WHERE'S JOEY? JOEY HERE.
WE DO HAVE A, THERE'S JOEY PROPERTY AS WELL.
IT'S STATION I WAS GONNA SAY YEAH.
UM, WE DO, WE HAVE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THE CITY ON THAT.
IT'S A, IT'S THIS GREEN AREA QUESTION BE FIRE THAT WON'T COME UNTIL COMMERCIALS BEING DEVELOPED.
WELL FUNDING COMMERCIAL OTHER THINGS.
BUT YES, IT, THERE IS AN IDENTIFIED PUBLIC SAFETY SITE FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
CAN ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS EITHER.
BUT WE'LL HAVE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN CARR AND MORGAN FROM THAT, FOR THAT FIRE STATION TOO.
BUT TO ANSWER THE GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION, UH, HIS CONCERN, WHEN WILL THAT STATION BE, BE, BE DEVELOPED AND BUILT? AT WHAT POINT? THAT'S A MARGARITA.
NO, IT'S OH, YOU MEAN THIS ONE? THIS ONE? OKAY.
THAT'S A, THAT IS A DIFFICULT ANSWER TO, TO GIVE TO THAT IT ALL BUT FUNDING DENSITY, UH, PERMITS.
UM, THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES THERE.
WE CAN'T REALLY AT THIS LEVEL GIVE YOU AN ANSWER, BUT OKAY.
IT, IT, IT WILL BE THERE ONE DAY.
WHAT DAY THAT IS? I DON'T KNOW.
YEAH, IT WILL BE, IT WILL BE COVERAGE PROVIDED TOO THERE.
YOU, YOU GOT ANY MORE QUESTIONS? DR.
I GOT MY ALRIGHT ANSWER AFTER HIS LIST.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOUNDBAR, BUT ONE IMPORTANT THING I'M NOT HEARING WITH ALL, LIKE YOU SAID, AND YOU'VE, BY THE WAY GENTLEMEN, YOU ARE PRETTY GOOD WITH THIS, UM, WITH NOBODY'S SAYING IS THERE'S ALL OF THIS RESIDENTIAL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ALL RIGHT.
BUT LET'S GO WITH RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S NOT, UH, ADULT LIVING, RIGHT? THIS IS MIXED COMMUNITIES.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT ARE ARE THE SCHOOLS, I MEAN, ARE YOU GONNA BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT THE INFLUX MEDICALLY AND AS WELL AS EDUCATION FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING IN? 'CAUSE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SO MANY HOMES BEING, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDED OR BUILDING OF HOMES.
HOW MANY ARE GONNA HAVE CHILDREN AND HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, IT'S RIGHT NOW VERY HARD TO EVEN GET DOCTORS, LIKE DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS IN THIS AREA.
AND, AND MY DOCTOR'S GROUP IS ADDING PEOPLE ALL THE TIME, BUT THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE FAST ENOUGH EXACTLY.
I ASSUME WE'RE GONNA SEE COASTAL CAROLINA MED CENTER REALLY BLOSSOM WITH THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE CLOSEST PLACE, BUT WHERE, WHERE TO GET THE STAFF THAT THAT'S A PROBLEM.
THEY ARE FIGHTING EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH FOR CHILDREN IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH RECREATION OR JUST TO KEEP THEM BUSY, THAT'S WHEN KIDS GET IN TROUBLE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN KIDS TOO.
SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S A CONCERN.
IT'S A CONCERN FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
UM, THE SCHOOL ISSUE, I DON'T KNOW.
I I I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THAT.
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I'M SURE HIGH SCHOOLS, ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, THESE DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, IN THE WHATEVER WE GONNA PUBLIC TRACK.THERE ARE PLACES FOR SCHOOLS IN THESE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THE KIDS ARE THERE TO FILL THEM SOMEDAY.
BUT THE SPACE IS THERE TO BUILD A SCHOOL.
WELL, WE'VE BUILT, AND THE TIME COMES, WE'VE BUILT ANOTHER, WELL WE'RE BUILDING ANOTHER SCHOOL DOWN IN THE WEST.
RIGHT? THERE'S PLACE ALLOCATED FOR IT.
I THINK THEY'VE STARTED BUILDING IT, BUT THANK YOU.
AND, UM, THERE ARE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING MORE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND THE FEES THAT WE'VE HAD FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE FEES WE'VE HAD FROM THE PAST.
UM, I KNOW OUR COUNCIL'S VERY, UM, INVOLVED IN THE WHOLE PROCESS.
I WILL SAY THAT, UM, WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY JUST LOOKING FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IS DOING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SOME OTHER THINGS AS JUST THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.
WE ARE ALSO, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CHARTER SCHOOLS.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
AND, UM, THE CITY OF HARVILLE TAKES ALL THAT SERIOUSLY.
AND, BUT IT IS THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROCESS THAN THIS.
UM, AND, UM, SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS ARE ALSO INVOLVED WITH THIS.
UM, LIKE I SAID, IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF FEES DO GO TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
AND, AND THE CITY IS, IS, IS MONITORING THAT.
SO IN REGARDS TO THE BUILDING, I'M IN SECTION D ON THEIR MAP.
UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA KNOW WHERE ARE THE MULTI-USE GOING AND HOW HIGH ARE THEY GONNA BE? THE MULTI-USE ARE GOING TO BE UP HERE AT THE TOP END.
THE ORANGE, THOSE TWO ORANGE SECTIONS.
SO THEN IN THE D POD YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILIES.
SO THEY'RE CURRENTLY SAYING 10 FEET BUFFER, BUT THEY'LL GO TO 50.
FROM WHICH SIDE? FROM THEIR SIDE OF STRYKER ROAD.
AND THEN HOW FAR OFF OF THAT LINE ON STRYKER ROAD, THEY'RE GONNA GO 50 FROM THAT, HOW FAR THE, AND ARE THEY GONNA BE THE BACKS OF THEIR HOMES OR, AND HOW MANY HOMES ARE THEY GONNA PUT ALONG THAT LINE? 'CAUSE THAT IS DIRECTLY BEHIND MY HOME.
SO I WANNA KNOW HOW MANY HOUSES AM I LOOKING AT? AND LIKE WE SAID, OKAY, SO THEY'RE NOT OVER 55, WE'RE GONNA HAVE CHILDREN, POOLS, WHATEVER.
BUT I WANNA KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
NOW, ARE THEY GONNA TAKE DOWN THEIR, UM, YOU KNOW, CURRENT, UH, THE BUFFER HAS TO, WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR HOW VEGETATION HAS TO BE PLANTED IN THE BUFFER.
AND ESSENTIALLY WITHIN SEVEN YEARS, IT HAS TO BE OPAQUE THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THROUGH IT.
AND THEY, AND LET'S SAY WHEN THEY GET DONE INITIALLY THERE'S NOTHING BUT 80 FOOT TALL PINE TREES WITH 50 FOOT UNDERCOVER AND NOTHING THERE.
SO IS THAT, SO ON THEIR SIDE OF STRYKER, THEY'RE GOING, ARE THEY GOING TO PUT A FENCE JUST TO ENCASE THEIR PROPERTY? NO, PROBABLY NOT.
A DENSE, DENSE VEGETATION BUFFER.
AND DO WE KNOW HOW MANY HOUSES WILL BE ALONG THE BACK OF THAT LINE? ESSENTIALLY IN MY BACKYARD? I DON'T.
DO THEY, IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE, ON THE, ON THE LOT SIZES AND THE LAYOUT.
UM, I MEAN I IT'S EXPECTED THERE WOULD BE HOUSES.
I DON'T, I DON'T SINGLE FAMILY.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ALONG, ALONG THAT LINE WITH, WITH A BUFFER.
I HAD, I HAD THE SAME QUESTION.
WHEN MARGARITAVILLE BOUGHT HILTON HEAD LAKES, I LIVE IN THE LAKES.
MY QUESTION WAS, HOW MANY OF MARGARITAVILLE'S PRODUCT AM I GONNA BE LOOKING AT? I CAN'T DETERMINE THAT THEY OWN THE PROPERTY.
THEY CAN BUILD WHAT THEY WANT AS LONG AS IT MEETS STANDARDS.
SO NOW ONCE MARGARITAVILLE IS DONE USING STRYKER, ARE YOU GOING TO LOCK, WHICH YOU'RE TELLING ME WE BOTH OWN.
CAN YOU LOCK THOSE GATES? BECAUSE WE HAVE TRUCKS BEHIND US TILL NINE 30 AT NIGHT FROM SEVEN 30 IN THE MORNING.
SO ARE THEY GOING TO BE USING THE ROAD THE SAME WAY? IF THOSE ARE MARGARITAVILLE CONSTRUCTION, YOU NEED TO TAKE THAT UP WITH TIM.
SO ONCE I TAKE IT UP WITH TIM, BECAUSE THE RULE IS, AND IT'S A CITY RULE, NOTHING BEFORE SEVEN IN THE MORNING AND THEY HAVE TO BE DONE.
I THINK IT'S BY SEVEN AT NIGHT.
SO, OH, IF THEY'RE OUT THERE UNTIL NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, YOU NEED TO CALL TIM
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OR CALL THE CHIEF.SO ONCE I TAKE IT UP WITH TIM AND THE CHIEF, ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE THE SAME RULES FOR THEM? YES.
NO, BUT YOU KNOW WHO IT'S DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES.
WELL, I'M NOT GONNA, NO, I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT.
BUT MARGARITAVILLE DOESN'T FOLLOW THE RULES.
I SAID NOT EVERYBODY FOLLOWS THE RULES.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ONCE I GET MARGARITAVILLE TO FOLLOW THE RULES, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD ENOUGH THAT I HAVE TO, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE DEVELOPER SAID HE WAS, HE, THIS DEVELOPER IS ONLY GONNA USE THAT ROAD TILL HE CAN GET, TILL HE CAN COME DOWN THE SPINE ROAD TILL HE GET HIS SPINE ROAD BUILT.
AND THEN HOW HIGH ARE THE MULTI-USE GONNA BE? THREE STORY.
IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY, UM, ARE THEY GOING TO BE ANY LOW INCOME? IS IT JUST GONNA BE LIKE THE OTHER COUNTY PROPOSED? DOESN'T MATTER.
YOU DON'T HAVE A SAY IN NEITHER REALLY? DO WE? WE CAN'T WHAT THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO PUT IN THERE.
HISTORY SAYS THEY'RE GONNA BE MARKET RATE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY MAKE THE MOST MONEY.
THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE, MY MY GUESS IS RIGHT.
THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE OURS BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE COMES UP.
I WANNA I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN SAID TWICE NOW.
THE 10 FOOT BUFFER IS WHAT'S IN THE EXISTING PDD, RIGHT? THE PROPOSED PDD THAT IS BEING THE ONE WE'RE APPROVING TODAY FOR APPROVAL.
I'M GONNA PUT, SO THERE'S A 50 FOOT BUFFER.
THE 10 THERE WILL NOT BE HOUSES 10 FEET OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, ALSO ALL THIS GREEN IS WETLANDS.
SO IT'S REALLY MORE THAN 50 FEET.
DEPENDS ON WHERE HER HOUSE IS, BUT MY HOUSE ISN'T THERE.
BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE MULTIFAMILY, RIGHT, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT WETLAND BUFFER HERE BETWEEN YOU AND THE MULTI BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY FOR LATITUDE AND THE MULTIFAMILY.
THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
YEAH, WITH EVERYTHING IN THE LOW COUNTRY, HALF OF IT GETS TIED UP IN WETLANDS.
SO I CAN GUARANTEE YOU YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN ALLIGATOR.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC QUESTIONS? ALLIGATORS AREN'T WHAT? WORK.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR REJECT? OKAY.
I PROPOSE THAT WE APPROVE, RECOMMEND THE RECOMMEND AMENDED PDD TO AS PROPOSED AND REQUIRE A 50 FOOT BUFFER REQUIRE IT.
WELL, THEY SAY THEY'RE GONNA DO IT, BUT IT, BUT IT'S REQUIRED.
NOW WE MOVE ON TO THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR BLOCK A.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? UM, I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN AS PROPOSED.
THAT TAKES US DOWN TO, WE ARE NOW DOWN TO, UH, AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR THE THANK YOU FOR COMING.
LET'S WAIT UNTIL THEY CLEAR OUT.
ALL ALL PEOPLE COME IN UP IN
YOU GET SCHOOLS, YOU GET HIGHER TAXES.
YEAH, BUT YOU DON'T PAY OPERATING TAXES FOR THE SCHOOLS HERE.
SIGN UP, SIGN UP FOR YOUR, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU ALL LOOK LIKE YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT SIGN UP FOR YOUR, UH, WHAT IS IT, REATH? NO.
SO THIS IS, UH, THIS IS EASY LIVING ROCK.
THIS SHOULDN'T BE TOO DIFFICULT.
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ALL RIGHT.NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION OF AN IMP TO BE KNOWN AS RIVER ROCK EASY LIVING.
THIS IS A REPLACEMENT FOR AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN THAT WE APPROVED IN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO FOR, UH, MANSIONS.
IF YOU KEEP GOING, YOU CAN DO MY PRESENTATION.
THIS IS AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR RIVER ROCK EASY LIVING AT EAST AR.
UM, IT IS LOCATED IN THE EAST AR PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2005 AND AMENDED IN 2017.
MOST RECENTLY, THE MANCHIN'S INDEPENDENT LIVING INITIAL MASTER PLAN WAS APPROVED IN 2019.
AND IT IS FOR THESE TWO PARCELS HERE THAT RUN BETWEEN, UM, ONE 70 AND EAST ARJUN PARKWAY HERE.
SO THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THE, UM, FUTURE PUBLIX MASTER PLAN SITE.
THIS IS WHERE THE PARKERS IS GOING.
AND THE Y MCA A IS UP HERE, RIGHT? SO JUST SOME VIEWS.
UM, THIS, IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS.
UM, SO IN 2019, AN APPROVED INITIAL MASTER PLAN CAME THROUGH, UM, FOR APPROVAL.
AND IT DID INCLUDE THIS, UM, MANSION'S INDEPENDENT LIVING.
UM, THIS IS THE PROPOSED NEW INITIAL MASTER PLAN LAYOUT HERE, AND I CAN GO INTO, WHOOPS, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT CLOSER UP.
UM, SO IT'S 36 ACRES, UM, AND IT IS PROPOSED TO BE RESIDENTIAL 55 AND OVER SENIOR LIVING.
THE PROPOSAL IS FOR 145 RANCH STYLE ATTACHED UNITS, WHICH ARE THREE TO FIVE UNITS PER BUILDING.
UM, AND A 180 UNIT FOUR STORY INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY WITH A TOTAL MAXIMUM DENSITY PROPOSED OF 325 UNITS.
UM, ALSO INCLUDES AMENITIES AND OPEN SPACE.
YOUR CURRENT APPROVED INITIAL MASTER PLAN THAT I SHOWED YOU ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDES, UM, WAS FOR 100 UNIT INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY AND 41 INDEPENDENT LIVING VILLAS WITH 15 ACRES OF UNPLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
THIS PLANS THE WHOLE 36 ACRES.
UM, IT DOES INCLUDE CONNECTIVITY TO ONE 70 AND EAST SERGEANT PARKWAY AND THE FUTURE PUBLIC SITE.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE 50 FOOT BUFFERS ON EAST SERGEANT PARKWAY AND ONE 70.
UM, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT DOES NOT INCLUDE AN INTERIOR BUFFER.
AND, UM, SO INCREASED BUFFER STANDARDS FOR YOU COULD CONSIDER INCREASED BUFFER STANDARDS FOR THE UNITS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE PUBLIX'S PROPERTY.
UM, THE PREVIOUS APPROVED IMP DID NOT HAVE UNITS THAT DIRECTLY WERE ADJACENT.
UM, THERE ARE SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE PLAN AND BOTH THE SIDEWALKS AND THE COMMUNITY PATH THAT ARE PROPOSED CONNECT TO THE RECREATIONAL PATH ALONG EAST AR PARKWAY.
UM, AND SO THIS IS IN FRONT OF YOU FOR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, THERE WILL LIKELY BE A CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP AND THEN, UM, ULTIMATELY IT WOULD GO TO STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE.
AND I HAVE RUSTY WINDSOR HERE, UM, THAT CAN GO OVER ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO.
AND THE LASERS, THE GREEN BUTTON.
THANK Y'ALL FOR HAVING US IN Y'ALL.
I'LL TRY TO BE QUICK ABOUT THIS.
UM, SO KATIE ADDRESSED PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.
I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, UM, THAT YES, WE HAVE A, A 50 FOOT BUFFER ALONG, UH, ONE 70.
THIS SHOWS AS JUST A, UM, A, A REGULAR BOULEVARD TYPE SECTION ACCESS.
THERE WILL BE A, UM, A RIGHT CELL D DESAL LANE.
AND, UM, THIS WILL BE A RIDE IN RIDE OUT ONLY FOR THIS ACCESS.
UM, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PERMITTED AND, UM, AND DESIGNED BACK IN, UH, 2019 WHEN MANCHIN WAS WORKING ON IT.
UM, THE MASTER DEVELOPERS ONE DOING THIS, THIS TURNING LANE THAT WILL, UM, IT, IT'LL HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH PERMITTING, UM, BECAUSE IT, THE, THE PERMIT HAS EXPIRED AND EVERYTHING, AND SO THEY'LL JUST HAVE TO RESUBMIT THE NEW TRAFFIC STUDY THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET AND THEN, UM, GET THAT, GET THAT PERMIT UPDATED.
SO, AND THEN OTHER ACCESS, PRIMARY ACCESS WOULD BE ONTO EAST A PARKWAY, WHICH IS, UH, CONNECTING TO THE, UH, NOW THAT YOU HAVE THE LIGHT THERE ON ONE 70, UH, WHICH IS A HUGE RELIEF FOR THE PEOPLE OVER AT OLD FIELD.
AND ALSO IT REALLY HELPS OUT WITH THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AND EVERYTHING.
UM, OUR TRAFFIC STUDY SHOWED THERE WERE NO, NO ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED AT THAT SIGNAL AT THIS TIME FOR OUR, FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UM, AND THAT WAS, AND THEN JUST, YOU KNOW, SHE MENTIONED THE TRAILS, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THIS TRAIL SYSTEM HERE WILL BE GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE EAST ARGENT, UH, DEVELOPMENT FOLLOWING ALONG, ALONG THAT WAY.
AND THEN WE HAVE, WE HAVE SIDEWALKS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
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THAT THIS WOULD BE A VERY ACCESSIBLE, UM, COMMUNITY FOR HIS RESIDENTS.AND, UH, I'VE GOT RIVER ROCK HERE TOO.
UM, JOHN AND AND THEM ARE HERE JUST TO, UM, JUST TO KIND OF ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HA MAY HAVE ABOUT THEM AS A COMPANY AND EVERYTHING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE APARTMENT BUILDING AND SINGLE FA OR THE HOUSES THAT YOU PLAN TO BUILD HERE? WE DO.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF KATIE HAS THOSE AVAILABLE OR NOT.
UM, WE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING OF THE ACTUAL, THIS BUILDING HERE, UM, AT THIS TIME.
THIS WOULD BE A LATER PHASE AND DONE AT A LATER TIME.
UM, AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE BUILDINGS THERE OF THE, WE HAVE LAYOUTS FOR THE OTHER BUILDINGS.
YOU HAVE PICTURES OF THE, UM, UM, THE RANCHES.
THINK I CAN EMAIL IT TO HER QUICK.
UM, LEMME SEE IF I CAN EMAIL THAT TO HER.
LET, I'LL GET THEM FOR YOU THAT WE'LL HAVE THE PICTURES IN JUST A ONE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, YEAH, WE HAVE QUESTIONS.
ORIGINALLY, UM, MANCHINS WAS GONNA BE NON AGE RESTRICTED, CORRECT? NO, IT WAS GONNA BE INDEPENDENT LIVING.
IT WAS GONNA BE INDEPENDENT LIVING, BUT NOT AGE RESTRICTED.
UM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE AGE RESTRICTED.
I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS AGE RESTRICTED OR NOT.
AND THIS IS THIS, THIS IS AGE.
I DID NOT SEE AN AGE RESTRICTION IN IT.
INDEPENDENT LIVING TYPICALLY DOES GO TO THOSE THAT ARE, ARE BETWEEN 55 PLUS.
WE HAVE YOUNGER ADULTS THAT REQUIRE THAT TYPE OF LIVING.
BUT NOW YOU, YOU'VE, YOU'VE MADE THIS AGE RESTRICTED.
SO IF, IF THERE'S A 30-YEAR-OLD THAT COULD MANAGE BUT NEEDS TO BE IN AN INDEPENDENT LIVING SITUATION, THEY CAN'T COME IN HERE.
NO, THEY COULD BECAUSE IT IS AGE TARGETED, CORRECT? OH, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS.
SEAN COHEN WITH RIVER ROCK DEVELOPMENT, ALONG WITH, UH, JUSTIN NEWMAN.
UM, YEAH, WE GET THIS QUESTION A LOT.
SO, UM, IT, IT'S KIND OF THAT DISCUSSION YOU GUYS HAD WITH THE OTHER PROJECT THAT 80% OF RESIDENTS WILL BE 55 AND OVER, UH, THAT ARE IN, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE A LEASE ON THE LEASE WOULD BE 55 AND OVER THE OTHER 20% GOES TO YOUR COMMENT, A 30-YEAR-OLD, A VETERAN, UM, THAT MAY BE DISABLED.
BUT WHAT I'M READING HERE IS IT SAYS OVER NOW IT'S, IT'S, LET ME SEE, 55 AND OVER THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A DEED RESTRICTION.
IT'S DEVELOPED AS A 55 AND OVER LIVING COMMUNITY.
THAT MEANS IT'S AGE RESTRICTED 55 AND OVER IS A 55 AND OVER SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY.
NOW, IF YOU CAN TELL ME THAT YOU'LL CHANGE THAT TO REED TARGETED TO 55 AND OVER.
I, YOU KNOW, I, I'M JUST SAYING I AM A VETERAN AND, AND THERE ARE, I'VE, THERE ARE SEVERAL VETERANS THAT I KNOW OF IN HARDY THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, WHETHER IT BE PTSD OR, OR, UM, LIMBS MISSING THAT NEED INDEPENDENT LIVING, THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T FUNCTION.
UM, AND I SEE A NEED FOR THAT.
AND AS MORE PEOPLE RETIRE AND MORE PEOPLE COME DOWN HERE, UM, I CAN SEE THAT, OKAY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I HAVE A SON OR A DAUGHTER THAT WAS INJURED IN AFGHANISTAN AND I'D LIKE TO MOVE THEM CLOSER.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
UM, AND I, I WAS QUITE SURPRISED AT THE INCREASE IN NUMBER
SO, AND THE INCREASE IS PRIMARILY DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE WAS 15 ACRES THAT WAS UNPLANNED.
AND, AND AT, AT THE TIME, THEY WERE ENTERTAINING.
THEY WEREN'T DOING, AT THE TIME, THEY WEREN'T SURE ABOUT THE MARKET OR HOW IT WAS GONNA GO WITH THE, IF THE HIGHER UP WOULD BE, UH, THE, THE BETTER AND BEST USE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OR IF IT WOULD BE MORE OF THE, OF THE, UM, THE RANCH STYLE, WHERE THE TOWN HALLS AND UM, AND SO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT BEFORE.
AND, AND YOU SAY AMENITIES WILL INCLUDE CLUBHOUSE, LEASING OFFICER.
LEASING OFFICER, NOT AN AMENITY TO ME, BUT, UM, POOL, RECREATION TRAILS, FITNESS CENTER, GAME
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ROOM AND MORE.WELL, YEAH, THE LIST IS LONG AND IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT MANCHIN HAD DESCRIBED.
BEFORE IN THEIR IN THERE PROGRAM.
I'M JUST, SO WE'RE MIMICKING, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT'S MORE FITNESS? I'D RATHER SEE MORE THAN LESS.
BUT
I, I, I SEE THAT AND I YOU GET SIDEWALKS.
SOLAR, LIGHTING, STREET LIGHTS.
WOULD YOU, UH, PALMETTO? UM, CURRENTLY WE WERE GONNA BE GOING THROUGH THEM.
THEY EVEN GAVE US A PRELIMINARY DESIGN OFF OF THAT.
SO WE SAID, WELL, WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH APPROVAL FIRST BEFORE WE CAN STREET LIGHTS.
BUT DO, DO YOU HAVE TO USE ELECTRIC STREETLIGHTS? IT'S YOUR PROPERTY.
IT'S REALLY WHATEVER CITY AND COUNTY STANDARDS ARE AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY IF THERE'S LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS AT INTERSECTION.
SO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS, THAT'S OKAY.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT, BUT, OKAY.
I LIKE, I LIKE, I LIKE THE PLAN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH? NO, I, IT LOOKS GOOD TO ME.
THERE IS A PICTURE OF THE MASSIVE APARTMENT BUILDING THEY PLANNED TO PUT UP AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE APPROVE IN MANSIONS ABOUT TWICE AS BIG.
I DON'T REALLY CARE FOR IT AND I DON'T CARE FOR A FOUR STORY TALL BUILDING FOR A BUNCH OF OLD PEOPLE, ALTHOUGH YOU CAN HAVE ELEVATORS GREAT.
I JUST DON'T LIKE THAT BUILDING.
I THINK IT'S TOO BIG FOR THE SITE AND I THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE TARGETED POPULATION.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM KATIE AND BRIANNA THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT RULES OF CONSTRUCTION FOR A 55 PLUS KIND OF PLACE VERSUS ANY OLD APARTMENT BUILDING.
SO IT WILL MEET WHATEVER IBC SAYS IT HAS TO BE, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR BUILDING OF THAT MASS AND HEIGHT.
THE OTHER, THE, THE ONE WITH THE COURTYARD, THE ONE FROM THE RIGHT.
THAT'S A STARK ELEVATION, UH, TO SEE THIS IS A BETTER, BETTER, STILL BIG.
SO, UH, ARE THE, THE SOUTH AND WEST BORDERS OF YOUR SITE, ARE THOSE THE EXTENT OF THE EAST A PROPERTY? SO YOU'RE BACKING UP TO, TO SOME OTHER FOLKS THERE, SO, ALL RIGHT.
UM, NOW YOU'VE GOT A 50 FOOT BUFFER TO YOUR NEIGHBORS TO THE REAR.
AND WHAT WILL THAT BE BACK THERE? I MEAN, ARE YOU GONNA PUT A A, A BERM UP OR, OR JUST, OR IS IT GONNA BE PLANTED? IT'S GONNA WITH, YOU KNOW, A DENSE UNDERCOVER, WE WERE PLANNING TO DO ALRIGHT, UH, APARTMENT PARKING.
HOW WERE YOU, YOU, HOW WILL YOU CALCULATE HANDICAP PARKING FOR, I'LL CALL IT, YOU KNOW, A SENIOR GROUP OF PEOPLE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE OSTENSIBLY INDEPENDENT LIVING, THEY BE MO THEY MAY BE STILL MOBILITY LIMITED, YOU KNOW, AND, AND RUSTY MIGHT BE ABLE TO AN ANSWER THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN THAT.
THAT IS, UM, PART OF THE A-D-D-A-A-D-A REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BUILDING CODE PORTION OF THAT.
SO THAT WILL ALL BE TAKEN CARE OF IN THROUGH OUR SRC PROCESS BECAUSE THE TYPICAL ONE IN 25 IS, WOULD NOT BE ADEQUATE FOR THIS POPULATION.
UM, THERE'LL BE THE WHAT'LL DRIVE THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS ACTUALLY THE NUMBER OF ACCESSIBLE UNITS INSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THAT'LL BE FAR, THAT'LL FAR EXCEED THE ONE IN 25.
YEAH, AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, UM, OUR, UH, THIRD PARTY PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND LEASING TEAM, THEY'RE NATIONAL.
UM, THEY'VE SEEN INSTEAD OF THE TYPICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ACTIVE ADULT MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS WHERE YOU COULD HAVE THREE OR FOUR SPACES, YOU KNOW, PER X AMOUNT OF SQUARE FEET OR PER BEDROOM.
UM, THEIR STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT IT'S ADEQUATE TO PROVIDE ABOUT ONE TO ONE AND A HALF, UH, PARKING SPACE.
ONE AND A HALF WHAT YOU SAID, BECAUSE YOU GOTTA HAVE THE
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STAFF THERE DURING THE DAY.AND, AND THE COOKING PEOPLE, I ASSUME YOU'LL FEED THEM AT LEAST MOST INDEPENDENTS I KNOW OF ACTUALLY FEED THE PEOPLE.
SO PART OF THE, PART OF THE PROCESS OF GETTING, GETTING THROUGH THE, UH, STUDIES.
WILL THERE BE ANY, UH, OF THE PARKING FOR THE APARTMENT BUILDING THAT'S COVERED OR IS IT ALL UNCOVERED SPACE? YEAH, IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL UNCOVERED.
UNCOVERED PARKING, UH, THE, NOW THE, UM, THE RANCH, UH, FLATS.
I WAS IN THE APARTMENT BUILDING.
UM, IS THERE ANY REASON YOU COULDN'T BREAK THE APARTMENT BUILDING UP INTO TWO BUILDINGS INSTEAD OF JUST THIS ONE MASSIVE THING? UM, I MEAN, WE SEE THAT WITH A LOT OF OTHER INDEPENDENTS AROUND HERE WHERE THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS.
THEY MAY CONNECT THEM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH A BREEZEWAY OR SOMETHING.
BUT THE MASSING OF THIS IS JUST A PROBLEM FOR ME.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT BUILDING IS ACTUALLY, IT'S, IT HAS THREE PHASES TO IT.
UM, SO EACH OF THE THREE PHASES HAS A FIREWALL IN BETWEEN IT.
SO YOU'RE, UH, ESSENTIALLY BUILDING ONE SECTION OF THE BUILDING TO GET IT OCCUPIED AND THEN MOVE TO THE NEXT, BECAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT LEASING, UH, MOMENTUM FOR THAT.
AND WHY NOT MAKE 'EM THREE BUILDINGS? YEAH.
THAT'S A CONSTRUCTABILITY AND COST ISSUE AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE GONE THROUGH THE ROOF.
SO TO PROVIDE A COMPLETE SEPARATION BETWEEN THOSE BUILDINGS IS REALLY COST PROHIBITIVE.
CAN WE FLIP BACK TO YOUR PICTURE OF THE APARTMENT UNITS WHERE YOU HAD THE COURTYARD IN THERE? MM-HMM
SO THIS LOOKS LIKE THE EXTERIOR IS EFIS.
UH, WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE USING FOR THE EXTERIOR OF THIS BUILDING? YEAH, WE, WE LOOK, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE WORKING WITH JEFF AND HIS TEAM, SO IT WOULD BE LIKE MATERIALS TO WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR OTHER PORTIONS OF EAST.
SO WE TYPICALLY DO A, A, A STONE OR A MASONRY, UH, ON THAT FIRST FLOOR.
AND THEN WE'VE DONE COMBINATIONS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A COMBINATION OF HARDY VINYL, UH, A MIX OF ALL THOSE, UH, TYPES OF PRODUCT TYPICALLY DON'T USE EAS.
UH, ON, ON THIS, ON THIS MESS, NO EFIS.
WELL, HARDY PLANK WOULD BE NICE LOOKING THERE AND THAT'S WHAT CANNER FIELD HAS AND SOME OF THE OTHERS.
AND WELL, HARDY IS SAFE COMPARED TO VINYL VINYL'S A FIRE HAZARD.
SO AT THIS POINT YOU HAVEN'T DECIDED, BUT YOU DON'T THINK IT'LL BE EFAS, SO IT COULD BE HARDY, COULD BE STUCCO, I GUESS THAT COULD BE STUCCO.
UM, YOUR WALL CONSTRUCTION IS THE EXTERIOR WALL OF THIS.
I MEAN, ARE YOU BUILDING THE EXTERIOR WALLS AND THE WALLS BETWEEN APARTMENTS OUT OF CONCRETE MASONRY UNITS OR IS THIS, UH, PLYWOOD? YES.
STANDARD, UH, YOU KNOW, INCH AND A HALF SEPARATION BETWEEN, UM, UH, WOOD, WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION TO ALLOW FOR THE SOUND BARRIER.
WHAT, WHAT STANDARD, UH, IBC CODE IS CURRENTLY.
UM, AND, AND DOWN HERE, I DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU WITH 140, 150 MILE AN HOUR WINDS,
MUCH, MUCH DENSER THAN WHAT WE HAD IN THE ORIGINAL.
UH, OBVIOUSLY STILL MEETS IVC OR IT WOULDN'T HAVE CAME OUT OF, UH, STAFF TO US, BUT EXCEPTIONALLY DENSE, NOT A LOT OF GREEN SPACE IN HERE.
SO, UH, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS COMPARED TO THE ORIGINAL MANSIONS, I MEAN BIGGER APARTMENT BUILDING, MUCH DENSER VILLAS, LIKE THEY WEREN'T EVEN VILLAS IN THE OTHER ONE.
I MEAN, JUST A MUCH DENSER, UH, SUGGESTION.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, AND IF WE LEAVE THAT PHOTO UP THERE YEAH.
CAN I, CAN I SPEAK TO, TO THE DENSITY REAL QUICK? YEAH, DON'T MIND.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ESSENTIALLY, UM, SAME AMOUNT OF SIMILAR, SIMILAR SETUP HERE, SEE HOW THE COTTAGES ARE, AND I THINK MY, MY POINTER DIED.
THE BATTERY BATTERY DIED IN IT.
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IT JUST GOTTA BE BEAT UP.SO YOU SEE, YOU SEE THOSE, THE COTTAGES THERE AND YOU SEE OURS THERE IT IS.
IT IS A VERY, IT'S IT'S IDENTICAL DENSITY.
UH, I DENSITY THE DIFFERENCE IS THE LARGE YELLOW SPACE UP ON THE, ON THE UPPER PART OF IT.
WELL, I KNEW THAT WAS UNSPOKEN FOR AT THE TIME.
BUT IF YOU, IF YOU JUST LOOKED AT THIS STREET AND IN OUR STREET COMING IN AND THIS PORTION HERE, THIS ACTUALLY HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN THE UNITS THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.
I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT, THAT'S HARD TO, HARD TO GRASP IS WE ACTUALLY DEVELOPED THE ENTIRE PLAN INSTEAD OF JUST DOING A, A, A PHASE, INITIAL PHASE OF IT ALL.
ALSO, THE BUFFERS INSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT ARE LIKE 10 FEET, AREN'T THEY? MM-HMM
SO BETWEEN THESE HOUSES AND PUBLIX, YOU HAVE A 10 FOOT BUFFER, IS THAT RIGHT? RIGHT.
THAT'S TOTALLY INSANE FOR A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA BE RIGHT THERE.
THESE HOUSES EITHER THAT YOU GOTTA REWORK THE PLAN TO PROVIDE A, A BIGGER DENSER BUFFER OR YOU NEED TO GET RID OF THE HOUSES.
THAT'S JUST NOT GOING TO WORK.
NOT AGAINST, NOT AGAINST A GROCERY STORE WITH THE BIG LIGHTS, TRUCKS COMING IN, YOU KNOW, THIS SIDE OF THE GROCERY STORE, AT LEAST IN WHAT WE'VE SEEN PREVIOUSLY, THIS SIDE'S GONNA BE WHERE THE TRUCK'S UNLOADING.
I WOULDN'T WANT THAT IN MY BACKYARD.
I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD BE.
SO, YEAH, AND AGAIN, WITH THIS BEING CONCEPTUAL, SLIDING THE ROAD FIVE OR 10 FEET OR WHATEVER THE, WHEN WE GET INTO FINAL, UH, OR I SHOULD SAY SITE CIVIL CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, THOSE WILL BE SOME OF THE NUANCES.
AND WE'VE ALSO REACHED OUT TO PUBLIX AND, AND TALKED WITH THEM.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL A COUPLE YEARS OUT IS WHAT THEY TOLD US.
SO LIKE MOST THEY'RE WAITING FOR ROOFTOPS, BUT WHAT WE ENVISION LONG TERM IS ACTUALLY EVEN HAVING, UM, SOME WALKING PATHS OR SOME CONNECTION TO THAT.
BECAUSE WHAT WE TRY TO DO IN MOST OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS IS WE ENCOURAGE WALKING, UM, TO CONVENIENCE, RETAIL, YOU KNOW, GROCERY, UH, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE.
SO WE WANNA REALLY WORK WITH THEM TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THOSE, UH, IDEAL CONNECTIONS ARE.
AND ESPECIALLY WITH THESE BEING APARTMENTS FROM THE RENTAL SIDE AND THE, AND THE SPACING BETWEEN THE VILLAS, UM, THAT WILL AFFORD US THAT OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THOSE CONNECTIONS.
WELL, THERE NEEDS TO BE A SIGNIFICANT DENSE BUFFER HERE.
UM, SORRY, BUT THAT JUST ISN'T GONNA WORK.
WELL, PUBLIX MAY, I MEAN THEY MAY INSTALL A FENCE.
THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT AT THIS POINT.
WELL, I, I, BUT, BUT I'VE SEEN OTHER PUBLIX, THEY HAVE PUT FENCES UP.
IT'S NOT A PUBLIX, OH, I'M, I'M JUST GONNA THROW THIS OUT THERE FOR PROCEDURE.
UM, WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT PUBLIX DOES NOW.
THEY HAVE AN EXISTING MASTER PLAN.
UM, THEY WOULD, THEY, THAT'S NOT UNDER CONSIDERATION.
WHAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'VE SEEN OTHER PUBLIX WHERE THEY HAVE PUT A FENCE UP, THEY'VE PUT THE FENCE UP.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL HERE, BUT, WELL, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK THOSE OUGHT TO BE BUILT.
I MEAN, UNLESS YOU, UNDER UNDER THE CURRENT PD THERE WAS SET UP TO WHERE THERE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ANY BUFFERS BETWEEN 'EM.
THERE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ANY SETBACKS BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN THE PARCELS.
UM, THAT WAS, THAT WAS BUILT BEFORE THAT REASON.
AND I THINK AS AN OWNER AND A PERSON WHO RENTS IT, THEY KNOW THE MARKET THAT THEY WANNA DO, UM, AND THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THE PRODUCT.
IN YOUR ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN, THAT CONCERN DIDN'T REALLY EXIST AND IT DOES NOW.
AND SO THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME.
AND THAT WOULD BE ONE OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL THAT THEY, THEY LOOK AT THIS AND THAT ROLL HOUSES THERE AND YEAH.
WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD BE THE PREFERRED BUFFER THEN? UH, 20 FEET WITH THE OPACITY PLANNING, THE EVERGREEN PLANNINGS IN BETWEEN.
'CAUSE I, I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW THE COMMERCIAL CODE DOWN HERE, BUT I, UH, WORKED ON A FEW PROJECTS AROUND THE COUNTRY AND TYPICALLY, UH, IN, UH, HIGHER COMMUNITIES LIKE HARDY V THERE'S A SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL USES, ESPECIALLY WHERE THERE'S TRUCK LOADING DOCKS, UM, STORAGE.
SO I'M SURE THAT BUFFER WOULD ACTUALLY BE, UH, A LITTLE BIT LARGER, NOT JUST ON, ON OUR SIDE, BUT THEN WITH WHAT PUBLIX WOULD HAVE.
AND, AND, AND THAT WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION WHEN PUBLIX COMES IN.
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DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE AN EXISTING MASTER PLAN.UM, WE'RE NOT SURE THEY'RE COMING.
THEY HAVE AN EXISTING MASTER PLAN FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.
NOT, NOT SPECIFICALLY TO PUBLIX, BUT TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE.
UM, I I, I THINK THERE ARE OPTIONS AND, AND WAYS TO, TO, TO WORK AROUND THIS, UM, IN, IN WHAT YOU BELIEVE THAT BUFFER SHOULD BE.
I MEAN, WE, WE KNOW WHAT THE, THE MZDO WOULD HAVE.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE WILL CERTAINLY WORK TO THE SUBSTANCE OF THAT BUFFER.
BUT WE, BUT WE WOULD REALLY NEED FROM, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION AND, AND COUNCIL TO, TO GIVE US SOME OF THEIR, THEIR THOUGHTS ON WHAT THEY THINK IS APPROPRIATE.
WE'VE DISCUSSED IT IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, SO, UM, WE ARE, WE ARE CERTAINLY WILLING TO WORK WITH HOWEVER YOU WANT TO.
SO THAT WAS THE END OF MY QUESTIONS.
SO DOES ANYONE EVEN WANT TO MAKE A MOTION AS TO WHAT WE RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL? WANNA DO IT, DO IT.
BASED ON THE, THE STANDARDS OF CITY VILLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE EAST PDDI RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR, UM, ROCK RIVER, EASY LIVING AT EAST ADJUNCT.
AND I WOULD ADD THE CAVEAT THAT A SUBSTANTIAL BUFFER NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL PARTIAL, WHICH COULD BE THE GROCERY STORE AND, AND THIS PARCEL TO PROVIDE SOUND AND LIGHT, LIGHT CONTINUATION FOR THESE PROPERTIES.
ANYBODY ELSE? SHOULD WE, UH, DEFINE THAT FURTHER? SHOULD WE MAKE IT A SPECIFIC BUFFER SIZE OR YOU JUST WANNA PASS IT ON THAT WAY? I, IF IT WAS ME, I'D DO 50 FEET, BUT I DON'T, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING LESS ARDUOUS THAN WHAT I'M THINKING THAT WOULD SUFFICE TO PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE GONNA LIVE THERE.
YOU COULD AGREE TO 10 TO 20 FEET, UH, IN THAT VARIATION, IF THAT HELPS YOU.
I DO THINK IT'D BE COST PROHIBITIVE FOR THEM TO ELIMINATE THAT.
AND IF WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT AND THE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE 20 FOOT IS WHERE THEIR, UH, HIGH POINT IS, IF WE COULD GET TO SATISFACTION WITH 20 FEET, I, I WOULD BE READY TO PULL.
SO WE, WE MODIFY OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATION TO SAY THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE PUBLIC PROPOSED PUBLIC SLOT IN THIS BE 20 FOOT DENTS DENSE VEGETATION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND IN FAVOR? AYE.
THANK YOU FOR COMING FOR ALL YOUR TIME.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT REPORT.
IS THERE A SECOND? THAT'S OKAY WITH ME.
AND I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
I KNOW THIS WAS A TOUGH AGENDA, BUT WE APPRECIATE, UM, ALL YOUR WORK AND, UM, IT'S, UH, WE'LL WE WILL GET YOU A MORE EXTENSIVE UPDATE NEXT MONTH WHEN YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE AS LONG OF AN AGENDA.
WELL, THANK, THANK YOU FOR THE WORKOUT LUGGING THESE.
REALLY? SHE HAD TO BRING A PICKUP TRUCK
I MEAN, I CAN, WE CAN HIT MOST OF 'EM NEXT MONTH, BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST ONE, UM, THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD BE OF INTEREST HERE IS THAT CHRIS IS DOING THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING TODAY FOR THE HARBOR FREIGHT PROJECT AT, UM, OKEE CROSSING.
SO I'LL JUST PUT THAT ONE OUT THERE.
BUT THE REST I THINK ARE, THEY'RE, WE CAN COVER NEXT MONTH.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED.