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ILLA, IF YOU'D LEAD US OFF.DEAR LORD, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU, UH, LET US HONOR ALL OF OUR VETS, UH, THAT DIED FOR THIS COUNTRY AND, AND THAT, UH, PROTECTED US LORD.
AND LORD, THANK YOU FOR THIS, UH, GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE SHOWED UP TODAY.
LET'S, UH, HAVE, UH, DO YOUR WILL TODAY IN THIS MEETING.
ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
SO FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AND THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY CHANGES THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE SEEING.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, APPROVAL OF THE SEPTEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION.
PUBLIC COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENT, SORRY, PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO TALK ON ANY ISSUE? NOT ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
LET'S MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE SEPTEMBER, UH, 18 PLANNING COMMISSION.
MINUTES COMMENTS? NO COMMENTS, GUYS.
THE ONLY THING I HAVE THAT WASN'T IN HERE WAS WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING A COMMENT IN THERE ABOUT TABLING THE, UH, WE HAD MOVED TO TABLE THE ITEM UNTIL DECEMBER, AND THEN THE CITY ATTORNEY TOLD US THAT WE HAD TO DO MEET WITHIN 30 DAYS.
SO I THOUGHT WE COVERED THAT IN THE MINUTES FOR THE NECK, FOR THE, UM, OCTOBER 16TH.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY WERE INCLUDED, AND I FELT THAT WAS THE BEST PLACE TO PUT THOSE.
AFTER DISCUSSING IT WITH THE ATTORNEYS, OKAY, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SEPTEMBER MINUTES? SO MOVED.
UH, ON TO THE OCTOBER MEETING MINUTES.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? SO MOVED.
MOTION CARRIES ONTO NEW BUSINESS REVIEW OF A SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT APPLICATION FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT SPEEDWAY BOULEVARD AND ALLIGATOR ALLEY IN THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAID DISTRICT REFERRED TO AS THE TIMBER STONE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
I'M, UH, JOE DUFFY, OUR SENIOR PLANNER.
UM, I'M EXCITED TO WALK YOU THROUGH THIS PROJECT, UM, WITH OUR SITE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION FOR THE TIMBER STONE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
UM, THIS PROJECT IS CURRENTLY VACANT LAND, AND IT IS LOCATED IN THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
UM, IT IS ALSO ZONED LIMITED INDUSTRIAL.
UH, WE ARE WORKING THROUGH, UM, THE STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE PROCESS WITH, UM, THE APPLICATION.
AND OUR APPLICANT IS HERE WITH US TODAY AS WELL.
UM, THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO CONSTRUCT, UH, FOUR NEW WAREHOUSES ON PRESENTLY VACANT LAND.
UM, AND WE CAN, I'LL WALK SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHERE THAT IS.
SO IT'S, IT'S, THE WAY I KIND OF LOOK AT THIS IS IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE GATEWAY TO THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
SO IT'S BASICALLY THE SOUTHERNMOST POINT OF THE DISTRICT ON SPEEDWAY BOULEVARD, UH, VERY CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION WITH ALLIGATOR ALLEY RIGHT AS YOU'RE COMING ACROSS, UH, AROUND THE CORNER THERE, UM, TO THE SOUTH THAT IS UNINCORPORATED, UH, JASPER COUNTY.
UM, AND THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS HIGHLIGHTED, UH, IN THE YELLOW OUTLINE.
THE DARKER PURPLE SHADE HERE ARE, UH, HERE'S WHAT THE SITE LOOKS LIKE TODAY.
UM, IT'S, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE ARE SOME, UH, THERE'S A WOODED AREA, UM, AND A DRAINAGE AREA AND, UH, BUFFERING UP AGAINST THE ROADWAY.
UM, THE, THE TREES ACTUALLY KIND OF DISSIPATE BEYOND THAT INITIAL, UM, ROW OF THEM THAT YOU SEE THERE.
UM, IT KIND OF OPENS UP A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BEYOND THAT INITIAL AREA.
UM, PART OF THE GATEWAY, UM, CORRIDOR OVERLAY DOES REQUIRE, UM, PRETTY SIGNIFICANT
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LANDSCAPING, UH, WHICH WE'RE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ON, UM, THROUGH THE SRC PROCESS.UM, JUST SOME OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, UH, THAT'S THE, UH, PROPERTY OF THE SOUTH I MENTIONED EARLIER.
AND THIS IS LOOKING WEST, UM, TOWARDS THE MEDIAN ON US 17.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, UM, I KNOW YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH, WITH THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, BUT THE, THE GENERAL IDEA IS THAT WE STREAMLINED THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE, THE MAIN TH THROUGH FARES, UM, COMING INTO TOWN AND LEAVING TOWN, UM, TO REALLY KIND OF HAVE A CONSISTENT FEEL TO THOSE CORRIDORS.
UM, AND IT, IT, IT, IT'S AN EXTRA LAYER OF REGULATION.
SO IT'S A TOOL THAT WE USE IN ADDITION TO THE ZONING CODE TO, TO HELP STREAMLINE AND, AND GUIDE, UH, THE DESIGNS, UM, AND ALSO LIST AS A PART OF THAT ORDINANCE.
UM, WE DO BRING THESE, UH, CASES BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES, UM, TO HELP, UH, WITH INPUT FOR THE STAFF REVIEW PROCESS.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S LIMITED INDUSTRIAL ZONING, CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
UM, THESE FOUR BUILDINGS WILL TOTAL, UM, A LITTLE OVER 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE COLLECTIVELY.
UM, AND THEY'RE PROPOSED TO BE FLEXIBLE, UH, IN USE FOR DIFFERENT TENANTS.
UM, OFFICE AND WAREHOUSE HERE IS, UM, THE INITIAL LANDSCAPING PLAN, UM, OUTLINE.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, LANDSCAPING WILL BE RETAINED IN ADDITION TO, UH, DRAINAGE AREAS BORDERING HIGHWAY 17.
UM, THE GREEN AREA, UM, TO THE RIGHT, THAT SORT OF TRAPEZOIDAL SHAPE IS A, AN EXISTING WETLAND, WHICH WILL NOT BE DISTURBED.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, STORMWATER DETENTION POND WILL BE ADDED, UM, TOWARDS THE EASTERN, UH, CORNER OF THE PARCEL HERE IS, UH, A, A CONCEPTUAL RENDERING OF, UM, WHAT THE STRUCTURES ARE PROPOSED TO LOOK LIKE.
UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, UM, BUILDING FACADES DO HAVE A, A CONSISTENT LOOK, UM, WITH OTHERS THROUGHOUT THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY.
UM, AND THAT THE GROUND LEVEL IS, UH, HIGHLIGHTED WITH A KIND OF ACCENTED FACADE, UM, TO KIND OF MAKE THEM FEEL A LITTLE BIT LESS WAREHOUSE-Y UM, WITH THE WINDOWS.
AND, UM, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT A LIGHTING PLAN AS WELL.
SO JUST A REMINDER, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE IS REVIEWING THIS CONCURRENTLY, AND, UM, SO WE WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THIS, UH, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON AND, UM, BE GLAD TO OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
STARTING ON THE LEFT, MR. FOREMAN, ANY QUESTIONS? I DO NOT PALT.
I DO, UM, CAN YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES? SURE.
UM, I ASSUME THAT IT'S RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT ONLY, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY LEFT TURNS IN AND OUT, SIR.
UM, BE GLAD TO, UH, INVITE THE APPLICANTS UP TO PLEASE SPEAK INTO A MICROPHONE TO HELP, UH, ANSWER THAT.
SO WE'VE GOT NATHAN URRY HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
UH, NATHAN URRY, CIVIL ENGINEER, AND WE HAVE TOM OCK, THE PROPERTY OWNER BACK THERE WITH TIMBER STONE.
UM, AND THEY ARE BOTH RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.
YOU CAN'T MAKE A LEFT TURN OUT.
STEVE, ANYTHING ELSE? UM, NOW I, I'M JUST CONCERNED OF THE NUMBER OF, OF TRUCKS.
I MEAN, I, I LIKE THIS CONCEPT, AND, AND I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE FAR ENOUGH UP FROM, FROM THE, UM, THE INTERSECTION IN THE WIDE WIDEST PATH OF 17.
UM, BECAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT DOWN THERE THAT, THAT REALLY I HAVE GROWN A LOT OF HOPPER IN WITH.
BUT, UM, I WAS CONCERNED WITH TRUCKS MAYBE TRYING TO GET, MAKE A LEFT TURN AND YOU GONNA MAYBE TRY TO PUT A, A CUT THROUGH THERE, BUT NO, SIR.
ILLA, IS THIS A PROPERTY THAT BUTTS UP TO GREEN GOODS NURSERY? YES, SIR.
AND THEIR PROPERTY LINE, WHERE DID, WHERE WOULD IT
AND JUST BRIEFLY, JUST THE, THE BUFFERS ON THAT'S, UM, GONNA AFFECT THEM, IS THAT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE? YOU SAID THE GREEN IS THE OLD,
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IS A WET AN EXISTING WETLAND, SIR? YES.THE, THIS IS THE EXISTING WETLAND BEHIND THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE BUILDINGS, UM, JUST NURSERIES DOWN HERE.
AND THERE IS A, A PROPOSED LANDSCAPING BUFFER BETWEEN THE PARKING AREA AND THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THERE'S ALSO A CELL, A CELL TOWER IN THE, UM, MM-HMM.
UM, I JUST HAD A COMMENT WHICH WAS, I'M PLEASED THAT YOU AND STAFF HAVE WORKED THIS OUT, SO IT FITS WHAT OUR INTENTIONS WERE WITH THE OVERLAY.
PARKING'S ON THE SIDE, NOT IN THE FRONT.
THERE'S A LANDSCAPE BUFFER TO THE HIGHWAY, AND I THINK THAT LOOKS GOOD.
SO, UH, I HAD NO OTHER QUESTIONS BEYOND THAT.
ANY FOLLOW UP FROM THE PERMISSION? ANYTHING FROM THE AUDIENCE? SEEING NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? NO, WE DON'T APPROVE IT.
SO LET'S, WE, WE WANT TO SEND THIS TO COUNCIL WITH OUR ENFORCEMENT DOPE STAFF COMMITTEE.
COMMITTEE WITH OUR ENDORSEMENT.
CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST TO AMEND THE MZDO TO ALLOW FOR DIGITAL BILLBOARDS.
UM, THANK YOU FOR, UM, YOUR PATIENCE WITH US AS WE, WE LEARN THROUGH, GET MOVED THROUGH THESE D DIFFERENT TYPES OF APPLICATIONS TODAY,
UM, I AM PRESENTING A REQUEST THAT WAS, WAS SUBMITTED TO US BY GRACE OUTDOOR ADVERTISING, UM, FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE MZDO.
UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY ASKING TO, UM, REVISE SECTION ARTICLE 8.3 C TWO, WHICH IS THE ORIENTATION AND CHARACTER OF BILLBOARDS.
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THIS WOULD ALLOW LED BILLBOARDS AND IT WOULD ALSO REDUCE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THESE LED BILLBOARDS THAT'S REQUIRED.
SO THERE'S TWO FACTORS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IN THIS REQUEST.
WE HAVE IN THE, IN RIGHT NOW, WE DO NOT ALLOW ANY DIGITAL, AND WE ALSO DO NOT HAVE A, HAVE A 1500 FOOT MINIMUM BETWEEN BILLBOARDS SO THAT, UM, WE KEEP THE, REDUCE THE CLUTTER AND, AND, AND EVERYTHING.
AND THAT WAS, UM, SPENT THAT, THAT PART'S BEEN IN OUR ORDINANCE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO AMEND THE MCDO BY DELETING 8.3 C TWO AND REPLACING IT WITH THE TEXT THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU.
BASICALLY WHAT IT SAYS IS THE CHANGEABLE COPY THROUGH THE USE OF LED LIGHTS.
UM, AS LONG AS THE COPIER IS NO LARGER THAN THE EXISTING BILLBOARD, AND BECAUSE I MENTIONED BEFORE AT LEAST A THOUSAND FEET FROM A DIGITAL BILLBOARD, WE JUST ALLOW NEW BILLBOARDS ON I 95.
WE DO NOT, UM, ALLOW THEM ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE DID THE SPACING, WE LOOKED AT IT, WE WORKED WITH BILLBOARD EXPORTS AND OTHERS, AND WE CAME UP WITH THAT 1500 FOOT.
ANY SIGN USING LED TECHNOLOGY MUST ALLOW STATIC IMAGES, NO LESS THAN SIX SECONDS.
THAT WAS ONE THING THAT WE HAVE, HAVE BEEN, UM, ADAMANT ABOUT IN THE PAST IS, IS EVEN ON THE, THE LOCAL SIGNS, IN THE SMALLER SIGNS WHEN THEY FLASH, IT IS VERY DISTRACTING.
AND, UM, WE FELT THAT THAT WAS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF HARDY V.
UM, THEY ALSO ARE ASKING, UM, FOR DIMMERS AND PHOTO CELLS SENSORS TO ADJUST THIS, THE BRIGHTNESS AND, UM, CHANGING IT FROM DARK TO LIGHT AND, AND MAKING SURE THEY ADJUST.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE REQUESTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE VISION OF CITY OF HARDY V FOCUSES ON NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND TRADITIONAL LIFESTYLES.
THERE ARE MANY SECTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT DO FOLLOW UP ON THIS, BUT I THOUGHT THIS ONE WAS PRETTY BROAD AND HANDLED.
MOST OF, OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR RESPONSIBLE GROWTH AND QUALITY DEVELOPMENT ARE KEY TO, TO MAINTAINING THESE VALUES.
THE MCDO CURRENTLY STRIVES TO ACCOMPLISH THIS GOAL BY LIMITING THE SIZE, LOCATION, STYLE, AND NUMBER OF BILLBOARDS STAFF DOES RECOMMEND REINFORCING THOSE STANDARDS AND KEEPING THE MZDO AS IT'S,
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UM, WITH THAT, I HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FOR, FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT FROM GRACE OUTDOOR.AND, UM, INVITE THEM TO, TO GIVE YOU A FEW GO BACK TO THE PAGE.
ALRIGHT, GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.
UM, MY FRIENDS CALL ME GRACIE.
SO I HAVE SIBLINGS, SO I CAN'T SAY IT WAS NAMED AFTER ME, BUT THIS IS MY COWORKER, TY.
SO I'M JUST HERE TO KIND OF ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL HAVE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE 1000 FEET.
I THINK 1500 FEET SEEMS TOTALLY REASONABLE.
UM, AND I HAVE, UM, A LOT OF, UH, WE HAVE DIGITALS, 19 DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES, UM, AND A A LOT OF THEM DO ALLOW UPGRADES IN GREENVILLE, SPARTANBURG, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE GROWING AREAS.
AND WITH THE NEW EXIT LUCKY EAST, WHATEVER, IT WILL INCREASE, YOU KNOW, SO MUCH TRAFFIC.
AND THE MAIN GOAL OF A DIGITAL, OR A CHANGEABLE COPY SIGN IS WHAT THEY CALL 'EM, IS TO PROTECT AND ENHANCE THE AESTHETIC APPEAL OF THE COMMUNITY, ENSURE PUBLIC SAFETY ALONG STREETS AND HIGHWAYS TO PROTECT AND ENHANCE THE ECONOMIC VITALITY OF THE CITY.
AND IT'S AN EFFECTIVE MEDIUM TO DIRECT AND INFORM THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
SO WE HAVE IN LIKE LANCASTER COUNTY, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DIGITAL SLOT WHERE THEY CAN RUN WHATEVER THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FOOTBALL GAME OR A LOCAL SOMETHING OR A, YOU KNOW, MISSING PERSON, AMBER ALERT TYPE THING.
SO I'LL ASK, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS AND DO WHAT I CAN TO ANSWER IT FOR YOU.
ALL RIGHT, MR. FOREMAN, UM, YOU SAID YOU, YOU HAVE THE BOARDS IN 19 DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES, DIGITALS.
WELL, LET ME ASK YOU, UM, IN THE 19 MUNICIPALITIES, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY, ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU WERE PROPOSING HERE? UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SIX SECONDS, I, I WONDERED YEAH, HOW YOU ARRIVED AT THE SIX SECONDS.
THE DOT'S MINIMUM, BUT WE HAVE EIGHT SECONDS UP TO 10.
OPTED FOR LONGER, THAT CAN BE ADJUSTED BASED ON WHAT Y'ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.
AND IN CHARLESTON, WE DO EIGHT SECONDS.
SO, AND THAT'S A LOCAL PROVISION? YEAH.
YEAH, THAT'S THEIR LOCAL ORDINANCE.
AND SECOND THING, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS ENHANCES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR ECONOMIC VIBRANCY AND THE, COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO ME HOW, HOW THAT HAPPENS? YEAH, WITH, UM, JUST WITH A NEW EXIT COMING IN, THAT DOES CREATE TRAFFIC THAT WILL EXIT AND ALLOW MORE AND MORE CARS TO GET OFF THE INTERSTATE.
SO ANY OTHER BUSINESSES NEARBY THAT WOULD LIKE TO BENEFIT FROM THE TRAFFIC FLOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT JUST PROVIDES MORE FLIPS OF THE SCREEN TO ALLOW THAT.
AND IT ALL, IT IS ALSO HELPFUL FOR, YOU KNOW, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MESSAGING TO PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE TRAVELING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, EVACUATIONS OR HURRICANE, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, EVERY TIME WE DO A LOT OF BILLBOARDS, BUT WHEN YOU SEE LIKE A GOOD AD, IT ALWAYS JUST SEEMS TO HELP.
SO WE DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU SHOULD, YOU KNOW, CUT YOURSELF OFF AT THE KNEES WHERE YOU CAN'T UPGRADE IT, BUT WE, WE NOT WANNA IN ANY WAY, LIKE OBSTRUCT THE, OR, YOU KNOW, THE AESTHETIC OF YOUR TOWN.
DO DO ANY OF THE 19 MUNICIPALITIES HAVE OTHER PROVISIONS OR REGULATIONS THAT, UM, LIMIT THE KINDS OF THINGS YOU CAN PUT ON OR ANY, ANY, YEAH, THERE'S A STANDARD, UM, THAT WE, MAYBE WE DON'T ALLOW ANYTHING EXPLICIT.
I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY ALLOW, DO THEY ALLOW CBD? I DON'T THINK THAT'S ALLOWED.
THE CBD IS, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S NO, AND WE WORK WITH THE BOARD OWNERS IF THEY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS.
SO THE SAME WOULD APPLY FOR THE MUNICIPALITY.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S EXPLICIT OR ADULT, YOU,
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WE DO ALCOHOL SALES A LOT, BUT CHRISTMAS, THAT CAN BE HELPFUL,DO YOU OR ANY INDUSTRY GROUPS, UH, HAVE, HAVE YOU DONE ANY STUDIES ABOUT, UH, THE PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT? YES.
UM, SO THE OAA, THE OUTDOOR ADVERTISING ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA HAS A, THE LOCAL SOUTH CAROLINA, O-A-A-S-C, WHICH YEP.
UM, OUTDOOR ADVERTISING ASSOCIATION OF SOUTH CAROLINA.
THEY'RE VERY, I MEAN, THEY HAVE LIKE EVERYTHING.
SO LIGHT MEASUREMENT, UM, JUST IMPACT STUDIES.
UM, THERE'S TRAFFIC STU I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH INFORMATION WE CAN SUPPLY, SUPPLY, BUT, UM, SPECIFICALLY IS THERE ANY LIKE KIND OF DATA LIKE YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT OR WELL, I, I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S ANY, HAVE, IF THE INDUSTRY HAS DONE ANY STUDIES OF THE SAFETY OF THESE OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
IT'S ALSO BUILT INTO THE, UM, LIKE THE AMBIENT LIGHTING.
LIKE IT WILL SHUT ITSELF DOWN BEFORE IT FLASHES, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT HAS SENSORS ALL UP IN THAT THING.
I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU JUST SAID THERE.
THE, UM, THE SIGN, THE SCREENS THEMSELVES, THEY'LL SHUT DOWN, GO BLACK INSTEAD OF FLASHING.
LIKE THEY HAVE SENSORS IN THAT CONTROL, ALL THAT.
AND THEY ALSO HAVE AMBIENT LIGHTING SENSORS THAT WILL ADJUST ANY BRIGHTNESS AND THINGS SO THAT THE, AS YOUR EYES SEES FOOT CANDLES, SO IT'LL ADJUST ALL THE TECH BEHIND THAT AUTOMATICALLY.
SO, AND ONE THING IS LIKE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AT AN ANGLE, IT'S NOT SHINING OUT.
IT'S LIKE HOW AN IPHONE WORKS, WHERE YOU HAVE IT AT THE ANGLE, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THE SCREEN.
THAT'S WHAT I HAVE AND I'M HAPPY TO GET, SEND Y'ALL ANY INFORMATION Y'ALL MIGHT NEED ABOUT FROM THE AAA OR ANYTHING.
UH, YOU RAISED SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU SAID THAT YOU'D WORKED WITH THE BOARD OWNERS.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA OWN THE BOARD, YOU JUST INSTALL IT.
SO BOTTOM LINE IS YOU SELL SPACE ON THAT BOARD.
SO YOU SAID THERE'S A BENEFIT TO US.
WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO US? WE COULD DESIGNATE A SLOT TO THE CITY ITSELF.
THE, WE COULD, Y'ALL COULD ALWAYS HAVE AN AD, LIKE SAY THERE'S SAY SLOTS OR SIX SLOTS ROOM FOR DIGITAL ADS RUNNING.
ONE OF THEM COULD BE FOR THE CITY THAT JUST RUNS EVERY TIME THROUGH, GIVES Y'ALL AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WELCOME OR HAPPY.
I I, I'M, I'M GONNA BE RIGHT UP FRONT WITH YOU,
UM, I COME FROM A STATE THAT DOES NOT ALLOW BILLBOARDS, PERIOD.
UM, SO, UM, MOST OF MY ADULT LIFE I'VE LIVED WITHOUT BILLBOARDS.
UM, I'VE MET PROBABLY A FEW OF YOUR FRIENDS,
UM, I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DIGITAL AND LED BILLBOARDS A REAL PROBLEM.
AND AS, UM, MR. FOREMAN SUGGESTED IT'S A SAFETY PROBLEM, WE'VE GOT A BILLBOARD DOWN ON 17 JUST BEFORE YOU GET TO THE, TO THE BRIDGE GOING INTO SAVANNAH.
I'VE SEEN PEOPLE LITERALLY STOP SO THEY CAN SEE THE NEXT AD.
I'VE SEEN PEOPLE STARING AT THE BILLBOARD AND SWERVE.
I, I, I, I PERSONALLY THINK THERE THAT THEY'RE A SAFETY ISSUE.
UM, AND, UM, I I, I, I DON'T SEE ANY, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T SEE ANY NEED FOR US TO CHANGE WHAT WE WORKED VERY DILIGENTLY ON, ON, ON THESE, THESE, UH, ORDINANCES.
UM, THIS BOARD, WE WORKED FOR HOURS AND HOURS TO GET THE WORDING THAT THAT WAS EFFECTIVE FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, SO IN THAT, IN THAT RESPECT, I MEAN, I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I, I, I, I CAN'T SEE A REASON TO CHANGE.
UM, I DO, I DO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I UNDERSTAND SAFETY IS OBVIOUSLY THAT IS ALWAYS MY TOP GOAL.
I WOULD NEVER, BUT IT IS LEGAL.
BUT YOU, YOU DON'T, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER WHAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA DO.
BUT WE DO HAVE CONTROL OVER THE DESIGN OF WHAT WE
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SUBMIT.WE CAN SUBMIT, YOU KNOW, MONUMENT SIGNS THAT ARE, HAVE, YOU KNOW, LOGOS ON THERE OR HAVE BRICK, YOU KNOW, FACADES.
BUT I'VE NEVER, I MEAN, WE DON'T, NOBODY REALLY CRASHES AT A BILL.
THAT'S NOT REALLY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A TRUE STATISTIC.
I SPENT A LITTLE TIME ONLINE, AND AS YOU SAY, THERE'S A PLETHORA OF INFORMATION OUT THERE, BUT ONE OF THE STUDIES I FOUND WHEN IT TALKED SAFETY CONCERNS IS THERE WAS A 2015 GOVERNMENT FUNDED STUDY LOOKING AT DIGITAL BILLBOARDS ALONG HIGH SPEED ROADS IN ALABAMA AND FLORIDA.
MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE FIRST.
THEY FOUND THAT THERE'S AN INCREASE IN ACCIDENTS OF 25 TO 29% NEAR THESE SIGNS VERSUS A CONTROL AREA THAT HAD NO CHANGEABLE SIGNS.
SO THAT SOME OF THE SPECIFIC SIGNS YOU'RE REFERRING TO, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH, WITH MR. FOREMAN.
AND I THINK THAT THE, THE INCIDENTS THAT HAPPENED ARE DUE TO THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC IN GENERAL, AS OPPOSED TO THE SCREEN CAUSING SOMEONE TO MAKE A POOR DECISION.
WELL, THIS, THE CONTROL WAS THE SAME ROADWAY IN ANOTHER SECTION THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY DIGITAL BILLBOARDS.
SO IT WAS THE SAME TIMEFRAME, JUST DIGITAL BILLBOARD, REGULAR BILLBOARDS.
AND THEY SAID, AGAIN, TO WHAT STEVE'S SAYING, PEOPLE JUST KIND OF WANNA SEE THE MESSAGES.
THAT'S THE FIRST THING I THOUGHT WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS APPLICATION MYSELF, IS MY WIFE AND I COMMENTED THAT WE HAVE A TENDENCY TO FOCUS ON THAT, THOSE THINGS.
AND OF COURSE, THAT'S YOUR WHOLE PURPOSE IN OUTDOOR ADVERTISING, IS TO DRAW OUR ATTENTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU DO, THE INSURANCE COMPANY CONSIDERS THAT EVERY BIT AS DISTRACTING AS AS TALKING ON YOUR CELL PHONE WHILE YOU DRIVE.
SO I, I WILL SAY THAT THERE WAS A LADY STOPPED AT THE STOPLIGHT THIS MORNING AND SHE WAS ON HER PHONE.
SO JUST THE HUMAN DESIRE TO LOOK AT A SCREEN WHEN YOU'RE NOT MOVING, LIKE AT A STOPLIGHT IS THERE.
AND I WOULD RATHER HAVE PEOPLE LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW THAN ON A PHONE, BUT I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, I THINK IT JUST COMES DOWN TO HOW YOU APPROVE PERMITS.
AND I JUST HAVING IT THAT IT'S NOT ALLOWED AT ALL IS A PRETTY STRONG, I MEAN, Y'ALL CAN BE AS STRICT AS YOU WANT TO WITH YOUR ORDINANCE IN APPROVING THINGS, BUT FOR IT TO JUST NOT BE ALLOWED, I FEEL LIKE IT COULD BE A LOST OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AREA WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING INTO THE STATE RIGHT NOW.
MR. ZILLOW, ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, I, I THINK THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED UNPRECEDENTED GROWTH.
OUR ROADS, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE HAS NOT CAUGHT UP TO WHAT IS HERE NOW AND WHAT IS COMING.
UH, JUST GETTING OFF OF 95 IN THE MORNING AT EXIT EIGHT, UH, THE WHOLE EMERGENCY LANE IS NOW BEING USED AS THE DECELERATION LANE.
UM, I'M NOT FOR ADDING ONE MORE, ONE DISTRACTION PERIOD.
AND NOT FOR THE FORESEEABLE ALERT OR NOT.
WELL, UM, WE'VE HAD THOSE, THESE PROBLEMS FOREVER, AND I WOULD NOT SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA CAUSE MORE ACCIDENTS BECAUSE WE HAVE AN AMBER ALERT.
UH, I'M SAT I'M SATISFIED WITH SAYING THAT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH ANOTHER, WITH THE DIGITAL SIGNS HERE NOW.
BUT IS THAT IN THE ORDINANCE, LIKE FOREVER, LIKE YOUR NET LIKE CHANGED? NOTHING'S, NOTHING'S FOREVER, BUT UNTIL THIS COMMUNITY GETS, UH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IT NEEDS TO WHERE DISTRACTIONS ARE SOMEWHAT, UH, JUSTIFIABLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WOULD BE, BUT I I WOULD THINK THAT IT COULD BE FIVE YEARS, IT COULD BE 20 YEARS, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT NOW IS TODAY IN THIS MEETING, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT DOES TAKE A LONG TIME.
BUT WE DID JUST MEET WITH THE DOTA COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND THEY'VE SHOWED THE MAP OF, YOU KNOW, THE BRIDGES, THE ROADS, THE CONDITIONS, AND HOW, SO THAT WE LIVE IT EVERY DAY.
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THEY'RE, THEY ARE WORKING RIGHT NOW ON HOW THEY'RE GONNA UPGRADE OVER THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, 25 YEARS.SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WRITE IT OUT OF THE ORDINANCE WHERE CAN NEVER BE DONE, IT COULD GET STUCK THAT WAY.
WHERE IF IT DOES TURN OUT TO BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE REALLY DO WANT, IT WON'T BE ALLOWED, THEN IT WILL PROBABLY COME BACK THEN.
UM, IS THIS A REMINDER FOR YOU THAT THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL? CITY COUNCIL MAKES THE ULTIMATE DECISION, EVEN IF YOU RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL, IT STILL GOES ON FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.
AND I, AND I ALSO WANTED TO, UM, TO UNDERSTAND THERE WAS THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE COPY OF THAT.
THERE ARE OTHER LAWS AND, AND GUIDELINES AND CASE LAW ABOUT THE COPY OF BILLBOARDS.
UM, WE ALSO HAD A SITUATION AND JUST AS, JUST TO GIVE YOU FULL INFORMATION OF THE BILL DIGITAL BILLBOARD THAT'S ON HIGHWAY ONE 70, UM, IT'S BEAUFORT COUNTY GOT SOME, SOME CRITICISM FOR IT.
IT'S IN UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY.
I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE AND WE HAVE HAD CONCERNS.
SO, UM, I HOPE THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU SOME INFORMATION ON THIS.
UH, I WILL, I ALSO WANTED TO SAY IT, I DO LOVE THIS PART OF THE STATE.
I HAVE FRIENDS HERE, AND I DO KNOW THAT BEAUFORT IS VERY PROTECTIVE OF THEIR LAND, AND I LOVE IT.
LIKE, I, I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC.
YOU DON'T WANT YOUR LAND TO TURN INTO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SAY MYRTLE BEACH, BUT
I MEAN, YOU GET IT, BUT, UM, SOME OF THE SIGNS WHEN WE WERE DRIVING DOWN HERE THAT DO BELONG TO US, I DID FIND THEM DISTRACTING BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY LOOKED BAD.
SO IF WE WANTED TO UPGRADE THEM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD LIMIT WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH TO EVEN FIX THE CURRENT SITUATION.
SO THAT'S, YOU, YOU JUST REINFORCED MY ARGUMENT THAT IT'S DISTRACTING.
WELL, BECAUSE MY, I'M A BILLBOARD PERSON, THAT'S ALL I CAN, BUT YOU WERE DISTRACTED.
YOU WERE DISTRACTED BY THAT BILLBOARD DRIVING.
I WAS, I WASN'T DRIVING, BUT I THOUGHT MY SIGNS DIDN'T LOOK THAT GOOD AND THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THEM UPGRADED.
AND THERE IS A CHANCE THAT I COULD PERHAPS PUT ED I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF WE HAVE A PROPOSAL LIKE STARTED, BUT WE JUST ARE ROLL CALL RECOMMENDING AND ASKING THAT IT'S NOT COMPLETELY ALLOWED.
I, I, I DISALLOWED I UNDERSTAND YOU, YOU
UM, I WILL SAY THAT THE DIGITAL BILLBOARD LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN THE STATIC BILLBOARD, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THESE OLDER ONES THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR DECADES.
AND IT WOULD IMPROVE THE LOOK OF THE, OF THE INTERSTATE AND HARDY, UM, AS YOU CONTINUE TO GROW.
IT'S, THAT'S AN, THAT'S AN OPINION THAT IT IS AN OPINION.
IT LOOKS BETTER THAN A, THAN A STATIC BILLBOARD.
I, I PERSONALLY WOULD RATHER SEE A STATIC BILLBOARD THAN ONE THAT'S GONNA DISTRACT MY ATTENTION BECAUSE I, I CAN IGNORE THAT STATIC BILLBOARD, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT ONE THAT'S FLASHING AT ME, I'M GONNA LOOK, IT WON'T BE FLASHING.
IT'LL BE, IT, IT, IT CAN'T FLASH.
WELL, YOU SAY IT WON'T BE FLASHING, BUT IT'S CHANGING WHEN IT THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S THE SAME AS FLASHING.
WITH THE MESSAGE, BECAUSE I'M GONNA WANNA SEE, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA WANNA SEE WHAT'S THE NEXT THING COMING UP WITH THE MESSAGING.
WELL, SEE, THE THING ABOUT THE BILLBOARD AD IS THAT IT'S THE GOAL TO COMMUNICATE YOUR MESSAGE IN A MOMENT.
IT'S NOT EVEN, I MEAN, YOU GET SECONDS, BUT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO.
SO IT REALLY IS THE CREATIVE ARTWORK THAT GETS, AND SO MY MOM, WHO RUNS THE BUSINESS, SHE DOES NOT, SOMEONE PUTS A QR CODE ON A DIGITAL AD, SHE WILL NOT LET IT PLAY.
IT'S DANGEROUS AND IT'S STUPID
BUT, UM, THE INDUSTRY STANDARD IS SEVEN WORDS OR LESS FOR A BILLBOARD AD, REGARDLESS IF IT'S DIGITAL OR STATIC.
SO IT REALLY SHOULDN'T BE ANYTHING THAT IS, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T BLACK OUT AND BLINK UP, IT JUST SWITCHES AND IT SHOULD COMMUNICATE ITS IDEA.
AGAIN, THAT IS IN THE ADVERTISER'S HANDS, BUT THEY ALSO BRING MONEY TO THE COMMUNITY.
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ALL RIGHT.UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL TO DENY THE AMENDMENT APPLICATION AND REMAIN WITH THE CURRENT MZDO FOR BILL BOARD.
SO WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND THE COUNCIL TO KEEP THINGS AS THEY ARE.
THANK YOU FOR, HAVE A GOOD, THANK YOU.
VERY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME LIVING WITH US TODAY.
AND THAT WILL BE ON THE DECEMBER 12TH PLANNING.
I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, CITY COUNCIL MEETING DECEMBER 12TH.
THAT TAKES US TO, UH, IT'S NOT JUST THE PLANNING REPORT.
I WAS GONNA, UM, INTRODUCE MR. KRUER ONCE HE FINISHES UP HERE.
UM, OUR NEW CITY MANAGER, UM, WE HAVE, AS YOU KNOW, MR. SAMBO RETIRED, UM, UH, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO NOW.
AND, UM, DID HE RETIRE, RETIRE OR JUST MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE? HE RETIRED FROM THE CITY, BUT I THINK HE'S STILL DOING STUFF AROUND THE AREA.
SOME, UM, HE'S, HE'S GOT SEVERAL DIFFERENT ADVENTURES.
UM, BUT WE, UM, CERTAINLY WELCOME COUNCIL, WENT THROUGH A JUDGE, SORRY, WENT THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE SEARCH.
UM, AND, UM, I THINK IT'S VERY, UM, WELCOMING AND HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT MR. JOSH GRUPER AND HE CAN TELL YOU ALL ABOUT HIMSELF.
I AM INCREDIBLY PLEASED TO BE HERE, BE JOINING YOU ALL.
UM, I'M NOW TWO WEEKS ONTO THE JOB AND I TELL EVERYBODY, IT ONLY TOOK ME FOUR DAYS TO ANNOUNCE A BUCKYS WHEN I GOT HERE.
SO JUST IMAGINE WHAT I CAN DO WITH SEVEN DAYS, YOU KNOW,
SO, NO, I, I, THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT STUFF GOING ON NOW, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL CLOSELY AS WE, UH, GUIDE THE, THE CITY ON HOW IT'S GONNA BE FOR THE NEXT 10, 15, 20 YEARS.
BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHEN YOU'RE MAKING THESE DECISIONS TODAY, IS WHAT'S THAT IMPACT GOING TO BE LONG RANGE FROM NOW.
AND SO WE REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALIGNED WITH YOU AND SHARE THAT VISION AND, UM, OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE, PROVIDE YOU WITH ANY AND ALL INFORMATION THAT WE CAN SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE INFORMED AND INTELLIGENT DECISIONS.
AND SO, AGAIN, LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
YOU'VE GOT MY CONTACT INFORMATION.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, UM, THINGS I CAN HELP ADDRESS FOR YOU.
I AM, UM, ALWAYS HAPPY TO MEET, HAVE A CONVERSATION, UM, AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR, OR GIVE YOU ANYTHING THAT WE CAN.
BUT IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU TODAY? NOPE.
WE'LL TAKE IT
TEXT, EMAIL, WHATEVER IS BEST.
BUT, UH, I HAPPY TO GET YOU ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO WELCOME ABOARD, SERVICE EASIER.
UM, ALSO, WE HAVE SOME PROJECTS THAT KATIE'S GONNA TELL YOU ABOUT, BUT I WANNA TELL YOU THAT WE FINALLY SETTLED IN THROUGH OUR NEW DIGS, UM, AND OUR NEW CONFERENCE ROOM WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF FINISHING IT UP.
WE DIDN'T REALIZE WE HAD SO MANY BINDERS AND THE BOOKS.
I THINK YOU ALL KNOW HOW MANY BINDERS AND BOOKS WE HAVE, SO, UM, YOU KEEP GIVING THEM TO US.
JUST A FEW HIGHLIGHTS FROM STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE.
UM, THIS MORNING WE HAD THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY PROJECT THAT YOU SAW, UM, FOR TIMBER STONE.
SO THEY WILL GET THEIR OFFICIAL COMMENTS NEXT WEEK FOR THAT, UM, BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD AT THIS MEETING, AS WELL AS STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE.
UM, AND THEN WE HAD AN AMENDMENT FOR GATEWAY COMMERCE, WHICH IS A, UM, BUILDING THAT'S BEING BUILT IN THE HARDY COMMERCE PARK RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO THAT VERY MINOR AMENDMENT.
UM, THE BEST NEWS THAT I HAVE IS THAT WE ARE ISSUING THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT PERMIT FOR EAST AR PARKWAY PHASE SIX, WHICH IS THE FINAL PHASE OF THE PARKWAY
SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I LET Y'ALL KNOW THAT.
UM, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN, IF YOU GO DOWN THAT WAY, YOU MAY SEE SOME ACTIVITY BACK THERE.
UM, THERE WAS A ANNEXATION A FEW MONTHS AGO FOR TAYLOR'S LANDSCAPING.
I THINK Y'ALL REMEMBER, UM, THEY DID HAVE THEIR PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING WITH CHRIS THIS WEEK, I THINK IT WAS.
AND SO THEY'RE GETTING READY TO GET UNDERWAY.
UM, AND THEN ON WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD, UM, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO ACROSS FROM THE OLD WENDY'S, THERE WAS A CONSIGNMENT SHOP, WHICH THEN, UM, ECO FOAM CAME IN AND THEY PUT A NEW FACADE ON IT AND BUILT A NEW BUILDING IN THE BACK.
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FINAL TWO BUILDINGS ARE GETTING UNDERWAY AS WELL RIGHT NOW.UM, AND THEN OUR COMMUNITIES LIKE SUN CITY AND MARGARITAVILLE KEEP PLUGGING ALONG WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT PERMITS AS WELL.
SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, UM, I WAS REALLY EXCITED WHEN I SAW THAT PHASE SIX OF THE PARKWAY WAS READY TO BE ISSUED.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY VISIBILITY INTO WHEN WE MAY SEE THE LIGHT AT ARGENT 2 78 AND AT SUN CITY AND ARGENT? FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, AND, AND THIS IS MR. DAVIS IS OUR POINT POINT PERSON, AND HE HAD AN OTHER, OTHER REQUIREMENTS THIS MORNING, OTHER THINGS ON HIS AGENDA.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU WILL SEE, MORE THAN LIKELY YOU WILL SEE THE SUN CITY ONE BEFORE YOU SEE THE ARGENT BOULEVARD ONE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EITHER ONE OF 'EM IS A LONG TIME AWAY.
UM, YEAH, WE'VE ALREADY WRECKED SEVERAL VEHICLES.
UM, AND AS YOU KNOW, THE, THE GOLF CART BRIDGE IS, IS BEING CONSTRUCTED AND, AND IT, UM, DOES CREATE, I THINK BETWEEN ARJUN, EAST SERGEANT LOOP ROAD AND SUN CITY THERE, UM, WE, WE HAVE QUITE THE TRAFFIC.
SO, UM, BUT THE STATE IS DOING THE ONE AT ARGENT AND 2 78, UM, THEY HAD TO GET IT BACK ON THE LIST BECAUSE THEY COULD, THEY TRIED, THEY PUT IT OUT FOR BID AND COULDN'T GET TAKERS ON IT.
UM, THEY ARE IN THIS, IT'S NOT ONLY JUST A LIGHT, BUT IT'S ALSO EXTENDING THAT TURN LANE, WHICH I THINK, UM, IS VERY IMPORTANT.
IF YOU'VE SEEN ANY OF THE, UM, 2 78 STUDY THAT KIMLEY HORNE PUT OUT FOR US, UM, I KNOW WE HAVE THE VIDEOS ON OF SOME OF THE DIFFERENT WORKSHOPS ON, UM, THE WEBSITE AND I'LL CERTAINLY SEND YOU SOME LINKS.
THEY'RE ULTIMATELY GOING TO TWO LEFTS THERE.
UM, AND THAT MEANS THEY HAVE TO WIDEN ARGENT BOULEVARD.
UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT, THE STATE'S LOOKING WHAT'S AT, WHAT'S MOST PRACTICAL TO GET SOMETHING THERE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO IT WON'T HAVE THE FULL IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THEY'LL BE CONTINUED CONSTRUCTION AS FAR AS THE DATE, I DON'T KNOW, I DID HEAR SPRING THAT WOULD, WELL, FIRST THEY GOTTA GET A BID.
THAT'S WHAT I MEANT FOR THE, FOR THE BID.
BUT, UM, I WILL LOOK WITH, CHECK WITH MR. DAVIS AND, AND GET YOU BACK FURTHER INFORMATION AND SEND, SEND THAT OUT TO YOU WITH SOME OF THE 2 78 INFORMATION AS WELL.
WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SUN CITY LIGHT, PULTE AHA, AND D O'S MONEY, PUTTING THAT LIGHT IN.
AND IT'S TY'S CONTRACTOR THEN, RIGHT? YES.
WITH, WITH HELP FROM THE DOT AND OTHERS.
AND IT GOES, IT'S BEEN THROUGH OUR STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW IT'S WAITING ON, LET ME TELL YOU, IT AIN'T EASY D IT'S WAITING ON DTS AT THIS POINT.
WHY DON'T YOU GET, WE COULD GET YOU A STOP SIGN AND YOU COULD
I KNOW THAT, UM, CHIEF, UM, WOODWARD KEEPS HIS GUYS, I'M LOOKING AT ETH BAXTER, RIGHT? CORPORAL BAXTER.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PRESENCE ON ARGENT BOULEVARD AND THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE ON US AS ONE OF HIS NUMBER ONE PRIORITIES RIGHT NOW.
SO THE DOT HAS NOT APPROVED THE, WELL, THEY HAVE TO, THERE HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD THIS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
THERE'S WARRANTS, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS AND, AND IT IS TIMING.
SO, UM, I DO NOT KNOW WHEN ALL THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT I WILL GET AS MUCH INFORMATION I CAN FROM, FROM THAT FOR YOU.
I, I WISH YOU GUYS LIKE, AND I HOPE IT'S QUICKER THAN, THAN MINE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GET ASKED BY NEIGHBORS ON A VERY REGULAR BASIS ABOUT THAT LIGHT.
SO DID WE, MATT DAVIS IS OUR POINT PERSON FOR THAT.
UM, WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE, UM, ANY TIMEFRAME ON WIDENING AND EXTENDING THE, THE LEFT TURN LANES THAT HILTON HEAD LAKES AND MARGARITAVILLE BILL? YES.
ONCE AGAIN, THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE ENTITY INVOLVED WITH THAT.
UM, I KNOW THAT THAT ONE IS PROBABLY AT THIS POINT A LITTLE CLOSER BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE, UM, NEED THAT'S, THAT'S COME UP FROM DOT'S PERSPECTIVE, UM, AND FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT ENGINEERS.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATES OF ANY OF THESE, BUT I WILL GET, I'M GONNA GET MATT TO GIVE YOU A FULL OVERVIEW OF EVERYTHING.
OF ALL OF THOSE MAIN ONES, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF LOT THAT'S GOTTA HAPPEN ON 2 78.
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WE, IF WE CAN GET THAT PRESENTATION FOR YOU AND, UM, IF, IF WE CAN, IF THEY'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO SEE IT, WE'LL REVIEW IT.WE'LL GET, UM, DYLAN TURNER, WHO IS THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT DID EVERYTHING FOR COUNCIL AND FOR THE CITY, AND WE'LL GET HIM TO COME PRESENT TO YOU GUYS TOO.
UM, I THINK IT WAS EAST OF MARGARITAVILLE, MAYBE.
IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS A CONSTRUCTION ROAD BEING BUSTED IN ON THE ROAD SIDE.
THAT'S FOR A CELL TOWER? WHAT'S THAT? THAT CELL TOWER.
IT'S JUST, THEY PUT IN GRAVEL, UM, TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE SITE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A, A TRUE ROAD THOUGH.
YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN MY SHOES WHEN THEY FOUND OUT THAT THAT CELL TOWER WAS GOING IN ON.
IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE A PINE TREE
THEY WANT BETTER SERVICE, BUT THEY DON'T WANT IT IN THEIR BACKYARD.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS? I, I HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ONE.
I, I JUST WENT BACK THERE, UM, LAST WEEK TO CHECK ON IT.
IT'S ACTUALLY ALREADY CONSTRUCTED.
THEY'RE FINISHING IT UP NOW IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND YOU CAN'T SEE IT EVEN FROM THE ROAD.
SO LIGHTS START FLASHING AT NIGHT.
WHAT IS THE CHRISTMAS TREE? KEEPS ME AWAKE.
ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? JUST ONE.
DECEMBER 14TH IS REACHED ACROSS AMERICA VILLE OUT FRONT NOONTIME.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED.