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THESE REMAIN STANDING OR MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR OUR SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED FOR OUR FREEDOM AND FOR ALL THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO SERVE AROUND THE WORLD PROTECTING OUR WAY OF LIFE.
OKAY, NOW WE CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
THIS IS A CITY COUNCIL EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WORKSHOP 2 0 5 MAIN STREET, HARVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA ON THURSDAY, OCTOBER 24TH, 2024 AT 10:00 AM UM, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE TODAY'S AGENDA? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING.
WE NOW HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THIS IS DISCUSSION OF NEGOTIATIONS INCIDENT TO PROPOSE CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENTS AND PROPOSED SALE OR PURCHASE OF PROPERTY.
THE RECEIPT OF LEGAL ADVICE FOR LEGAL ADVICE RELATES TO A PENDING, THREATENED, OR POTENTIAL CLAIM, OR OTHER MATTERS COVERED BY THE ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE, SETTLEMENT OF LEGAL CLAIMS, OR THE POSITION OF THE PUBLIC AGENCY IN OTHER ADVERSARY SITUATIONS INVOLVING THE ASSERTION AGAINST THE AGENCY OF A CLAIM IN ACCORDANCE WITH SOUTH CAROLINA CODE OF LAW 30 78.
WE WILL BE DISCUSSING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION? SO, MOVE, MR. MAYOR, WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.
WE WILL NOW ENTER INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE WILL BE RETURNING FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE WORKSHOP, UM, AFTER WE ARE FINISHED.
SO, UM, NORMALLY BRANDON CAN, SO WAIT IS EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE OUT.
SHE'LL BE I KNOW, BUT YOU WANT HER IN THIS SPOT? NO.
I DIDN'T KNOW SHE GOT SIT OVER THAT TABLE BY HERSELF.
I YOU'RE LATE TALK, SO THAT'S RIGHT NOW? NO.
ALRIGHT, SO LET'S GET BACK ON TRACK.
UM, OH, SO, UH, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS BRANDON.
BRANDON AND KATIE OBVIOUSLY ARE GENERALLY ARE NOT IN EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A PLANNING AND ZONING ISSUE AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO BE HERE TO HEAR IF THEY HAVE COUNSELS.
ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT SLASH REDEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING WITH MR. WATER? SO, UM, SO JUST FOR EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE, WE HAVE THIS EXECUTIVE SESSION, I GUESS WE SCHEDULED APPROXIMATELY TWO HOURS, GIVE OR TAKE.
UM, WE WILL HAVE FOOD AT HOPEFULLY NOON-ISH.
UM, AND THEN AROUND ONE, WE WILL GO INTO A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THE HARDY STATION, PDD AND CMP OR IMP, NOT C-M-I-M-P.
SO, UM, OUR FRIENDS FROM THE TRAVEL CENTER, OR ONE FRIEND FROM THE TRAVEL CENTER WILL BE HERE.
UM, AND THEN WE BELIEVE, UH, A COUPLE ENGINEERS WILL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL ASK.
SO WE'LL GET TO THAT, THAT'LL BE THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, BUT JUST AS, AS, JUST TO KINDA SET THE STAGE, THEN, WE ALL KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A, WE'LL SAY A MARATHON.
I MEAN, PROBABLY THIS IS PROBABLY LIKE A HUNDRED MILE MARATHON, NOT THE 26 MILE THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN DOING.
SO WE ALL KNOW THAT WHITE ARTY BOULEVARD REVITALIZATION RENOVATION UPGRADE, YOU KNOW, UH, AS THE MAYOR SAID, THE OLD, UH, DENTAL WORK, UM, NEEDED DENTAL WORK.
UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOREVER.
AND THE COUNCIL'S BEEN A, THAT'S BEEN A TOP GOAL.
I THINK THE COUNCIL RECALLS THERE WAS PROPERTY AVAILABLE ON WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD THAT WE, AFTER, YOU KNOW, UH, A LOT OF EFFORT, WE SECURED, I DON'T REMEMBER, I THINK THREE OR FOUR POWER SOS APPROXIMATELY SIX ACRES.
I THINK EVERYBODY KIND OF KNOWS WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO, AND WE'LL, WE'LL BRING THAT MAP UP.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE, MATT AND I, OVER THE LAST, AGAIN, I LOSE TRACK OF TIME HERE, THE OLDER, AGAIN, I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT LAST COUPLE YEARS WE'LL SAY.
BUT SPECIFICALLY THE LAST YEAR PLUS OR SO, OBVIOUSLY, I, I THINK THE COUNCIL RECALLS, WE ACTIVELY DID AN RFP REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL.
WE SOLICITED AND, YOU KNOW, HUNTED TALKED A NUMBER OF WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE POTENTIAL VIABLE DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS.
'CAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY, I MEAN, WE HAVE THE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S NOT OUR JOB OR EXPERTISE TO ACTUALLY DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
UM, OTHER THAN I DO SAY SO MYSELF, THE VILLE COMMERCE PARK, I THINK OTHER THAN IT TOOK US FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS TO DO IT, WE, WE GOT THE DAMN THING DONE.
MY POINT IS, WE'RE NOT PROPERTY DEVELOPERS.
SO, MATT AND I MET WITH MULTIPLE THINGS.
WE, MULTIPLE INTERESTED PARTIES.
UH, WE, WE WERE PRETTY CONFIDENT AND COMFORTABLE THAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA GET
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A COUPLE VERY GOOD VIABLE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS.WE PUT IT OUT AND OBVIOUSLY I THINK THE COUNCIL RECALLS WE DID NOT GET ANY RESPONSE, WHICH WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING.
SO DURING THAT TIME, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING TO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME IN EVERY OTHER DAY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT INTEREST IN DOING SOMETHING THROUGH OUR GRAPEVINE.
UM, MATT AND I THROUGH A, A MUTUAL ACQUAINTANCE ENGINEERING ARCHITECT.
AND SHE WAS A FORMER CITY MANAGER, UM, OF A, UH, FIRM IN CHARLESTON, UH, SUGGESTED, HEY, YOU MIGHT WANNA TALK TO THIS GENTLEMAN, MR. WARREN WATERS.
SO I DON'T REMEMBER OUR FIRST MEETING.
I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A PHONE CALL OR A ZOOM MEETING.
I, AGAIN, I DON'T LOSE TRACK OF TIME, BUT OVER THE LAST YEAR WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE ENCOUNTERS WITH WARREN, UH, MR. WATERS AND HIS SON SAM WATERS.
HE ALWAYS SAYS, WARREN WATERS AND SAM WATERS, NOT WARREN AND SAM, BUT WHAT, HE'S A CHARACTER GUYS.
BUT YOU, YOU'LL GET TO KNOW HIM.
HOPEFULLY WE GET TO KNOW HIM VERY WELL.
SO OVER THE LAST YEAR, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS.
UM, THE MAYOR'S MET HIM PREVIOUSLY.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL, UM, IN-DEPTH DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT OUR VISION IS, WHAT OUR PLANS ARE, WHAT HIS EXPERTISE IS, WHAT HE CAN BRING TO THE TABLE, THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD MASTER PLAN, AND BASICALLY OUR OVERALL REDEVELOPMENT REVITALIZATION OF THE DOWNTOWN CORE, WHICH AGAIN, WE ALL BELIEVE IS CRITICAL FOR OUR SUCCESS MOVING FORWARD.
SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS BACK AND FORTH.
WARREN IS PRESENTED, I DON'T KNOW, THREE OR FOUR, FIVE VERSIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS AFTERNOON OR THIS MORNING.
UM, AND THEN THROUGH HIS, UM, AND THEN AGAIN, JUST SO, AND I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO ALL THE GORY, GORY DETAILS.
UM, MATT AND I DID A PRETTY MUCH DEEP DIVING, NEIL WITH THE VETTING WARREN AND RIVER DEVELOPMENT, UH, EQUITIES, LLC.
UM, AND THEY ALSO, THE, THE MAJOR MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT HE'S WORKING ON IN THE CITY OF NEW JERSEY, WE DID A LOT OF REFERENCE CHECKS AND HE'S THE REAL DEAL.
SO WE WERE BASED ON EVERYTHING WE FOUND, ALL THE, ALL THE EXTENSIVE RESEARCH.
HE DOES WHAT HE SAYS, IT SAYS WHAT HE MEANS, MEANS WHAT HE SAYS, AND SAYS WHAT HE DOES WELL, HOWEVER, THAT SAYING GOES.
SO AGAIN, UM, WE PROPOSED, LET'S GO BACK.
SO WARREN SENDS US THIS AGREEMENT, THIS CRAZY GUY FROM NEW JERSEY THAT WAS PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, A HUNDRED SOMETHING PAGES, ALL KINDS OF LEGALESE.
AND WE SAID, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
I KNOW THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT LAWS AND THEY HAD SOME DIFFERENT FINANCING AND ALL THIS STUFF.
BUT, SO WE PRETTY MUCH SAID, WE LOOKED AT IT AND WE, WE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT IN, IN HIGH LEVEL TERMS WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD FIT OUR COMMUNITY.
SO PURINA AND I OBVIOUSLY MET WITH WARREN AND MATT, AND WE, WE FORMED AN AGREEMENT, WHICH I SENT TO YOU, WHICH HAD A COUPLE FORMATTING ERRORS, BUT BASICALLY KIND OF A, A HIGH LEVEL AGREEMENT ABOUT WHAT THE, UH, RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE PARTY.
SO I THINK WE'VE IN TENTATIVELY AGREED TO THOSE BROAD TERMS. OBVIOUSLY, AS THE COUNCIL KNOWS, YOU'LL HAVE TO APPROVE ANY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE DEVIL'S ALWAYS IN THE DETAILS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WHEN WE, WHEN WE ETCHED AN AGREEMENT.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW THAT I'M GLAD WARREN'S HERE TO MEET THE REST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
HE MUST TALK ABOUT HIMSELF, HIS COMPANY, HIS VISION, AND THEN HE HAS PLANS ON WHAT HE'S PROPOSING FOR A MULTI-YEAR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY.
GENTLEMEN, IF, IF I MAY, THIS IS JUST NOT MY STYLE.
IF YOU DON'T MIND ME REMOVING MY COAT, REMOVE, I THINK IT'D BE A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE.
BECAUSE IF MY SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH YOU, I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE THAN A FIVE MINUTE CHAT.
SO, UH, GET YOURSELF COMFORTABLE, MR. MERRI.
I CAN MAKE IT AS ECONOMICAL AS POSSIBLE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE.
OKAY, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE EVERYTHING.
WE HAVE A PARTY TO GO TO AT FIVE.
SO
UM, SO, UH, I, I, UM, EVERYTHING THAT, THAT MICHAEL SAID, UH, I I IS INDEED TRUE.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME.
UH, WE ENDED UP IN SOUTH CAROLINA BECAUSE AS A COMPANY, UM, IN THE NORTHEAST, WE EXCLUSIVELY REDEVELOPED CONTAMINATED PROPERTY.
WE BUY PROPERTIES AND WE REMEDIATE THEM, UH, AND, AND THEN REDEVELOP 'EM INTO SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL.
AND, UH, ALL TYPES OF REAL ESTATE ASSETS FROM DATA CENTERS, DISTRIBUTION CENTERS, MIXED USE, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL.
AND, UM, WHEN WE CAME DOWN TO SOUTH CAROLINA, WE, UH, MADE THE ASSESSMENT THAT THE BEST WAY TO ACHIEVE WHAT WE WANTED TO.
HERE WE GOT CALLS FROM VARIOUS DIFFERENT COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAD REAL ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES
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THAT, UH, THEY, THEY JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANYONE THAT WAS GONNA DO IT.THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYONE LOCAL THAT WANTED TO TAKE THAT RISK.
AND, UM, SOUTH CAROLINA IS A VERY SPECIAL STATE IN THAT THE STATE OFFERS A VCC, A VOLUNTARY CLEANUP CONTRACT, WHICH IF YOU EXECUTE WITH THE STATE, OFFLOADS ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESPONSIBILITY FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER AND, AND US AS THE DEVELOPER, IT ALLOWS YOU TO GET FINANCING.
IT ALLOWS YOU TO GO AHEAD AND, AND, AND ACTUALLY GET THE DEVELOPMENT DONE.
SO WE, WE HAVE BEEN IN STATE, UM, WE, WE JUST DIDN'T LAND HERE.
AND WE'RE REPRESENTED IN STATE BY THREE GREAT LAW FIRMS, TWO DIFFERENT DESIGN FIRMS, UH, TWO DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS AND, UH, UH, A HOST OF OTHER PROFESSIONALS.
SO EVERYTHING WE DO IS VERY SOUTH CAROLINA CENTRIC.
THE DESIGN WORK, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ARCHITECTURALLY.
UM, WHILE I, I WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW YOU A PROJECT OR TWO, WE, WE'VE GOT LIVE CAMERAS IN ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENT SITES.
AND, UM, WE FEEL LIKE, UM, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT THE STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE, SOME OF IT'S, IT'S ALL ON SITES THAT WERE PREVIOUS CONTAMINATED.
AND WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE SCOPE OF, OF, OF, OF WHAT WE'VE DONE.
WE'VE BEEN PLANNING, UM, THIS, AND IT'S GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH THE MUNICIPALITY.
SO THIS IS FAR FROM ME COMING DOWN HERE SAYING, OH, I THINK THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GIVE AND TAKE.
WE HAD A VERY, UH, THOROUGH MEETING, UH, YESTERDAY AFTERNOON HERE, UH, A A TECH REVIEW WITH YOUR STAFF.
AND, UM, IT'S, UH, THE STAFF TAKES WHAT THEY DO SERIOUSLY.
THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT YOU WOULD COME UP WITH.
UM, WE JUST HAD A TWEAK A LITTLE BIT.
WE CERTAINLY HONORED THE INTENT AND THE STYLE, BUT WE NEEDED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT WOULD ALSO BE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS, AND I'LL SHARE THIS WITH YOU, IT, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN A WHOLE LOT TO PEOPLE THAT AREN'T DOING THIS.
BUT FOUR YEARS AGO, WE WERE DEVELOPING, AND WE WERE BORROWING MONEY AT 3.5% WITH ABOUT 22% EQUITY, WHICH IS THE CASH YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN BEFORE YOU CAN TAKE DOWN A CONSTRUCTION LOAN.
AND WE CLOSED A LOAN ON ONE OF THE PROJECTS I'M GONNA SHOW YOU LAST WEEK WITH US BANK AT 8.85% INTEREST AND 48% EQUITY.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU BUILD A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 48 MILLION OF YOUR OWN MONEY IN BEFORE YOU CAN TAKE DOWN A DOLLAR OF CONSTRUCTION MONEY.
HOPEFULLY THE FED IS GONNA, UM, WORK THEIR WAY BACK A LITTLE BIT IN, IN EASE THAT SITUATION.
BUT THE DEVELOPMENT YOU SEE HERE IN THE COUNTY ARE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PLANNED IN A LOT OF CASES.
THE DEVELOPMENT AND FINANCING WAS DONE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
UM, DESPITE THAT, UH, WE ARE GOING TO, UM, MOVE FORWARD, UM, BASED ON YOUR APPROVAL AND CHANGES, WHETHER YOU MAY LIKE, AND IT'S A COMMITMENT THAT IS, UM, IT'S PRETTY SERIOUS BECAUSE ONCE YOU START, YOU CAN'T STOP.
YOU'VE GOTTA GET IT DONE, AND YOU GOTTA, YOU HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT.
SO, SO THAT'S JUST A, A, A LITTLE BIT.
AND WE'RE CURRENTLY IN SIX DIFFERENT, UM, MUNICIPALITIES, UH, AND WORKING WITH DIFFERENT, UM, MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS AND COUNTY GOVERNMENTS HERE IN STATE.
AND, UM, WE FOUND THE STATE'S BEEN VERY, UM, VERY HELPFUL AND VERY WELCOMING IN TERMS OF GETTING THIS KIND OF REDEVELOPMENT DONE.
WHEN WE HAPPENED TO BRIEFLY TALK TO THEM ABOUT, UH, HARDY VILLAGE AND JASPER COUNTY, THEY WERE, UM, THAT THEY WERE OPEN ARMS WITH, HEY, WHATEVER WE CAN DO.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WORKS AND, AND, AND WHAT WE CAN DO.
BUT THERE'S ENOUGH THINGS GOING ON HERE FROM UTILITIES INFRASTRUCTURE ROAD WORK AT THE INTERSECTION ACROSS, ACROSS FROM THE, UH, PHASE ONE, UH, OF THE PROJECT.
SO, UH, IF, IF, IF WE ARE GOOD, MR. MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO STAND TO BE ILLUSTRATED WHAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.
AND, AND A LOT OF THIS YOU HAVE A POINTER.
I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE, NOT TAKES A LITTLE HUMANITY OUT OF IT.
IT'S OLD SCHOOL IN, IN, IN ANOTHER LIFETIME.
YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MAN, WHEN THERE'S A RED SIDE ON YOU.
SO I PREFER NOT TO REMEMBER THAT I AM A CIVILIAN AT THIS POINT.
UM, SO, SO WHAT, WHAT WE DID, I IS, UH, TRY AND CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME IMPACT.
AND, UH, EFFECTIVELY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS A PROJECT WITH A COUPLE OF PIECES WE DON'T OWN.
UM, THE VERY, UM, UH, THE CLOSEST, UH, PIECE OF, OF THIS REDEVELOPMENT TO 95, TO ROUTE 95, INTERSTATE 95 INCLUDES, UM, THE WHITE
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MOTEL THAT SOMEHOW IS NEVER OCCUPIED.I THINK I SAW A VEHICLE THERE THIS MORNING, BUT THAT WHITE HOTEL, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE HELP OF THE MUNICIPALITY, BUT BUY IT PRIVATELY, ADD THAT TO THE OVERALL REDEVELOPMENT AREA, UM, AS WELL AS, AS BUTLERS, I MEAN, THE AUTOMOTIVE'S THERE, I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH HAVING IT, BUT IF WE'RE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT, UM, WE'LL CLEAN UP THERE THAT WE ALREADY KNOW THERE'S SOME ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS TO BE CLEANED UP THERE THAT DOESN'T BOTHER US AT ALL.
BUT IF THIS IS POSSIBLE, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO COMPLETE THIS OVERALL OVERALL PIECE.
SO STARTING, UM, UH, STARTING, UH, ON, ON THE NORTHERN END OF THE PIECE, THE NORTHWESTERN END OF THE PIECE, UM, WE HAVE DEVELOPED A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS AND WE'VE TRIED TO DEVELOP SOME SCALE.
YOU MAY NOTE THAT THE VERY TOP BUILDING AND, AND, AND THE VERY BOTTOM BUILDING ARE BOTH THREE STORIES.
UM, THOSE ARE BUILDINGS THAT WE ALSO WANT TO, WE WANT IT TO BE VIBRANT.
SO WE ARE PLANNING ON DESIGNING AND ENGAGING IN, IN ROOFTOP ENTERTAINMENT.
WE WANT THIS TO BE A VIBRANT AREA WITH RETAILERS, UM, WITH, UH, HOSPITALITY, WITH BARS, WITH RESTAURANTS.
UM, AND ALSO ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IN STATE THAT WE'RE DOING IS WE DEVELOP THESE TECH INCUBATORS.
AND THESE TECH INCUBATORS ARE BASICALLY DEFENSE CONTRACTORS, SOFTWARE CONTRACTORS, ALL THOSE PEOPLE.
AND THERE'S A, A BIG PUSH IN THE STATE.
WE'RE UP IN COLUMBIA RIGHT NOW WORKING ON A SIMILAR, A SIMILAR PROJECT.
THE, UM, THE, THE UNIVERSITIES IN THE STATE, THE COLLEGES IN THE STATE ALL WANT TO BE PART OF THAT.
SO IT'S VERY COLLABORATIVE AND EFFECTIVELY A TECH INCUBATOR.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THIS BUILDING DOWN HERE, UM, IS THE FIRST, THE FIRST FLOOR, SOMETIMES THE FIRST TWO FLOORS ARE ALL COLLABORATIVE SPACES WHERE THESE DIFFERENT SOFTWARE COMPANIES ARE WORKING WITH EACH OTHER, AND THEN THEY HAVE THEIR PRIVATE OFFICES ON THE UPPER FLOORS.
AND IT'S BEEN REALLY SUCCESSFUL.
IT HAD, IT LEANS TOWARD A YOUNGER DEMOGRAPHIC.
I'M PRETTY SURE I COULDN'T WALK IN THE DOOR AND POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
BUT I, I, UM, THAT, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT PAST MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN VERY POPULAR.
IT BRINGS IN A YOUNGER DEMOGRAPHIC AND THEY'LL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHATEVER ENTERTAINMENT AND, AND THINGS WE COULD PUT IN HERE.
JUST SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND, UH, THE GEOGRAPHY A LITTLE BIT.
UM, YEAH, I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, WHAT USED TO BE THE FRIENDSHIP IN AND BUTLER'S MM-HMM.
SO WHERE THE SOUTH END, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHAT GE GEOGRAPHICALLY I DO HAVE ANOTHER PLAN THAT YOU WANT TO PUT UP THE OTHER MAP.
WELL, YEAH, LOOK, I, I INITIAL THE PHASING PLAN.
YEAH, I, I CAN I I'LL GET THROUGH ALL THAT.
BUT WE DO HAVE A, UM, AS MICHAEL AND I, AND, AND, AND THE TEAM WENT OVER, WE DO HAVE AN OVERALL REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH BASICALLY SHOWS WHAT THE ENTIRE REDEVELOPMENT AREA COULD BE.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US THAT WE FEEL IS ESSENTIAL IS REDEVELOPING AR SQUARE.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, IF YOU WANNA DO THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LET'S JUST, OKAY, SO THAT GOES DOWN, THAT GOES DOWN TO AR SQUARE, IT GOES DOWN AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE INTERSECTION.
I THINK IT'S JOHN SMITH WHERE, WHERE THE REC CENTER IS.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS AN IMPORTANT POINT.
THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE FEEL THAT IF WE CAN NEGOTIATE AND GET THOSE PIECES AND GET A COUPLE OF THE, UM, BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN DISREPAIR AS YOU HEAD, UH, NORTH ON WHITE HARDY, IT WOULD REALLY MAKE FOR A GREAT A, A, A GREAT PROJECT.
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY ON A REAL, UM, UH, A, A REAL SMART PLAN AS TO HOW WE'RE GONNA GO ABOUT DOING THIS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA OFFEND ANYONE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA, UH, WE'VE SPOKEN TO A COUPLE OF MINISTRIES.
I, I, I THINK IT'S THE DIOCESE IN, UM, IN, IN, IN CHARLESTON OR THE BISHOP BISHOP IN CHARLESTON THAT CONTROLS A COUPLE OF THESE PROPERTIES.
YOU SIMPLY CAN'T TAKE THEM AWAY.
THERE'S PEOPLE THAT NEED IT, BUT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BUILD A NEW FACILITY FOR THEM, HOUSE THEM THERE, AND 'CAUSE SOME OF THE SMALLER BUILDINGS SIT ON BIG PIECES OF PROPERTY, AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
BUT OUR INTENTION, CLEARLY, WHEN IT COMES TO ANY HOUSES OF WORSHIP, WHEN IT COMES TO ANY RELIGIOUS BASED ORGANIZATIONS THAT PROVIDE CARE, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE ESSENTIAL AND, AND, AND HAVE TO REMAIN.
IF WE CAN BUILD A NEW FACILITY FOR 'EM, THAT, THAT, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT, SO THAT'S ALL PART OF THE PLAN.
AND WHEN I SAY A SMART PLAN WITH, WITH SOME FORETHOUGHT, UM, YOU HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT ADEPT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.
THERE'S REDEVELOPMENT LAWS THAT SIMPLY ALLOW YOU TO TAKE SOMEONE'S PROPERTY.
WELL, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
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A ADEPT AND, AND DO THE BEST JOB WE CAN IN CONJUNCTION WITH HARDY BUILT TO BE ABLE TO GET, TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT DONE.SO ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS BESIDES HAVING A, A GREAT MEETING YESTERDAY AFTERNOON HERE AND GETTING THROUGH THIS WHOLE TECH REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WORKS, UM, IS WE HAD THE POSTMASTER COME IN AND WHEN I WAS HERE LAST YEAR, AND WE ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT THE POST OFFICE, YOU KNOW, THE HARDY BILL WAS VERY DEFENSIVE ABOUT, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS PEOPLE GATHER HERE, WE NEED IT.
LET'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT LOOK AT THAT RIGHT NOW.
LO AND BEHOLD, ALL I HAD TO DO WAS GET MYSELF OUT OF TOWN.
AND THE POSTMASTER CAME TO THE, THE STAFF AND SAID, HEY, LISTEN, THIS ISN'T GONNA BE BIG ENOUGH.
I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW THAT THE GROWTH IS TREMENDOUS.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ATTRACTED ME TO HARVILLE AND I, I BELIEVE IN, IN THE MUNICIPALITY, IS THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING ON IN A COUNTY AROUND THIS MUNICIPALITY IS UNBELIEVABLE.
I MEAN, WE'RE KIND OF UP AND DOWN THE ENTIRE EAST COAST, WHAT I SEE HAPPENING HERE, WHEN YOU GO OVER THE BRIDGE TO SAVANNAH, YOU COME BACK INTO TO, TO JASPER COUNTY AND YOU SEE THE ROAD WIDENING AND, AND, AND, AND THE CABLES THAT ARE BEING LAID AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT'S ASTOUNDING.
IT IS TENS OF MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF WORK.
AND COUNTY GOVERNMENTS DON'T DO THAT.
STATE GOVERNMENTS DON'T DO THAT UNLESS THEY KNOW MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN WE DO.
SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE THIS IS A GREAT, A GREAT PLACE TO BE RIGHT NOW.
UM, DON'T HAVE THAT, UH, I, I THOUGHT WE HAD, OH, WE'LL, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S DO, WE'LL DO, WE'LL DO A PAGE FLIP AND WE WILL GET TO A NEIL.
YEAH, I DON'T, NO, I I JUST WANTED YOU, YOU COULD SEE THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS.
IN FACT, WHEN YOU GO UP WHITE HARDY AND MAKE A RIGHT ON 46 ON MAIN STREET BACK TOWARD THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX, WE HAD WORKED WITH THE MUNICIPALITY TO DO THOSE SMALLER BUILDINGS THAT YOU SEE THAT KIND OF HAVE THE YELLOW TOPS.
THAT'S LIKE A, A KIND OF A THREE OR FOUR STORY BUILDING THAT HAS, UM, COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND RESIDENTIAL ABOVE IT.
WE DIDN'T WANNA PACK RESIDENTIAL IN HERE.
THERE'S ENOUGH BEING BUILT IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA.
WE WANTED ENOUGH RESIDENTIAL TO SUPPORT WHAT WE'RE DOING DOWNTOWN HERE.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S WHY WE DID IT AS SOMETHING THE MUNICIPALITY WAS INTERESTED IN AND SOMETHING THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A FULL REDEVELOPMENT CORNER, IF YOU WILL.
WE THINK THAT INTERSECTION OF MAIN STREET AND WHITE ARTY IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE, HAVE A NEW LOOK.
EVEN THE, EVEN THE DRY CLEANERS, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT, AND THE DRY CLEANERS EFFECTIVELY CAN, WE CAN RELOCATE THEM SOMEWHERE AND PUT SOMETHING REALLY NICE ON THE CORNER.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO NEGOTIATE ALL THAT OUT, BUT WE FEEL LIKE THAT CORNER CAN BE BRILLIANT.
AND SAME THING WHEN YOU COME OFF AT 95, WHICH IS WHY WE WANT TO REDEVELOP AN ORIGIN SQUARE.
AND THEN EVERYTHING, WE'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH A COUPLE OF THE HOTELS, UM, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THEM THAT HAVEN'T PUT IN THE, UH, THE, THE, THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT TO MAINTAIN IT ARE NOT DOING SO WELL.
AND THE ROOM OCCUPANCY RATES ARE WAY DOWN AND THEY, WE'VE GOT THEIR EAR AS FAR AS SELLING IT AND LIKE REDEVELOPING IT TO, UH, SOMETHING THE, THE MUNICIPALITY'S REALLY GONNA LIKE.
UM, BUT, BUT BACK TO THE POST OFFICE, WE HAD DESIGNED EFFECTIVELY A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT WHITE-ISH BUILDING RIGHT THERE.
AND, UM, ULTIMATELY WHEN WE MET YESTERDAY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE GROWTH AND THE DEMAND FOR POSTAL SERVICES IS SO GREAT THAT NOT ONLY RELOCATING THEM IN THIS REDEVELOPMENT AREA, BUT ENLARGING THE POST OFFICE, THE POST OFFICE IS GONNA HAVE A CUSTOMER BASE THAT'S GONNA DOUBLE IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
AND THOSE ARE METRICS THAT THE MUNICIPALITY HAS, METRICS THAT THEY HAD, THE POSTAL SERVICE.
AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT WE OWN A COUPLE OF, UM, POSTAL FACILITIES, SO WE KNOW THEIR REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT WELL.
WE COULD HELP NEGOTIATE A, UH, A DEAL TO, TO, TO BUILD A NEW POSTAL FACILITY THERE.
SO IT STILL KEEPS EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE A FOCAL POINT FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT.
IT'LL STILL KEEP EVERYONE THERE.
AND EVEN THE POSTMASTER, UH, AGREED THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THIS LIKE, VIBRANT DOWNTOWN AREA, THAT THEY'LL EVEN BE USING MORE POSTAL SERVICES THEY THAN, THAN THEY WOULD OTHERWISE.
SO, SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION? WELL, OF COURSE.
UH, THE CURRENT POST OFFICE IS THAT BUILD.
WHO OWNS THAT BUILDING? DO THE FEDS OWN THAT BUILDING? WHO OWNS THAT BUILDING? LEASE IT, IT IS A THIRD PARTY.
IS STEVE MERMAN A COUNCIL MEMBER? WARREN WATERS.
IT'S, I UNDER, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, SO THE, OUT OUTSIDE OF O OF OUR, OUR TWO BUILDINGS ON, ON, ON EACH CORNER TO START AND THE NEW
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PROPOSED, UH, UH, POST OFFICE THERE, UM, WHICH WILL HAVE EXPANDED SERVICES.UM, WHAT WE TRY TO DO HERE IS CREATE SOMETHING INTERESTING AND YOU'LL SEE WHEN WE GET TO THE ELEVATIONS, THOSE THREE BUILDINGS, AND, AND THEY, THE REASON WE DESIGNED THIS IS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE HAVING PEOPLE SPILL OUT ONTO WHITE HARDY WAS, WAS GONNA BE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WAS EFFECTIVE OR A PLACE THAT THAT NICE RETAILERS AND RESTAURANTS AND BARS WOULD WANT TO BE.
SO WHAT WE DID IS WHITE HARDY, AND YOU'LL SEE THE ELEVATIONS WILL LOOK BEAUTIFUL, LANDSCAPE HARDSCAPE, UPLIGHTING.
IT HAS TO LOOK LIKE SOMETHING SPECIAL WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN WHITE HARDY.
BUT WE DECIDED TO GO WITH A COURTYARD CONCEPT HERE, WHICH WE'VE DONE IT, UH, A BUNCH OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE ON BUSY ROADWAYS.
AND, UM, WHILE WE ARE, WHEN WE GO TO HARD ENGINEERING PLANS, WE'RE CERTAINLY GONNA TWEAK, UM, WHAT THE ROADWAYS LOOK LIKE EFFECTIVELY.
AND THIS, THIS IS OUR PARTICULAR STYLE.
EFFECTIVELY, WE HAVE 80 TO 90 FEET OF PEDESTRIAN AREA OFF THE BUILDING WHERE OFF EACH OF THE BUILDINGS WHERE, UM, YOU CAN HAVE TABLES OUTSIDE, YOU CAN DO THINGS, WE CAN HAVE ENTERTAINMENT.
I MENTIONED BEFORE, TWO OF THE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA HAVE THIS ROOFTOP ENTERTAINMENT.
AND SO WE CREATED A COURTYARD BECAUSE IT KEEPS THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC SAFE.
WE CAN CONTROL THE, UH, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MUNICIPALITY WHEN WE HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS AND WE'LL HAVE MUSIC, WE'LL HAVE OUTDOOR MUSIC.
WE FULLY INTEND ON WITH THE MAYOR OF THE POLICE CHIEF'S PERMISSION, UM, U USING OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICERS TO BE THERE TO KEEP IT SAFE, TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC WORKS WELL.
AND WE DO THIS IN EVERY MUNICIPALITY WE'RE IN.
CERTAINLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT LIKES IT.
AND, AND WE'RE A BIG FAN OF HAVING THAT TYPE OF SECURITY WHENEVER YOU HAVE, UH, GATHERINGS.
AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO DO THAT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE EVENTS, THE MUNICIPALITY HAS TO HAVE EVENTS, AND WE CERTAINLY WANT TO HAVE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, UM, THE, THE, THAT'S THE FEEL OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
THAT LANDSCAPE THAT YOU SEE IS NOT JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST NOT A PICTURE.
WE BELIEVE THAT TO HAVE THAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE INDIGENOUS LANDSCAPING.
IT HAS TO BE WELL THOUGHT OUT.
WE'VE MET WITH ONE OF OUR LANDSCAPE DESIGN TEAMS HERE.
THEY'RE BASED UP IN CHARLESTON.
AND, UM, THEY'RE, THEY BELIEVE THEY CAN DO SOMETHING HERE THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY SPECIAL LANDSCAPING, UPLIGHTING HARDSCAPING.
I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE LATER FROM ONE OF OUR, OR RENDERING FROM ONE OF OUR PROJECTS THAT'S UNDER DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW.
AND YOU'LL SEE HOW WE USE THE HARDSCAPE FOR SEATING.
UH, AND A LOT OF OTHER PLACES WE'LL PUT IN AN AMPHITHEATER.
WE WON'T DO THAT HERE BECAUSE OF THE ROOM.
BUT, UH, CERTAINLY THE ROOFTOP ENTERTAINMENT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY, UH, PRETTY NEAT.
UM, AND, AND THAT REALLY FOR THE, AND THIS IS PHASE ONE, IT IS KIND OF, IF WE CALL IT A MASSING PLAN, BUT IT'S A BULK, YOU SEE THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX UP THERE.
UM, WE'RE EVEN TALKING TO, UM, OR, OR WE WILL CONTINUE TO TALK SUBJECT TO EVERYTHING THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS.
UM, THERE MAY BE SOME SENSE IN DOING THE MUNICIPAL WORK AND, AND THIS REDEVELOPMENT AT THE SAME TIME.
SO YOU DO GET, GET ALL THE CONSTRUCTION OUT OF THE WAY.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE SHARED RETENTION BASINS FOR, FOR, FOR STORM DRAINAGE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE UTILITIES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON.
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO GO IN THERE TWICE AND, AND, AND BANG IT UP.
SO WE, WE HAVE SOME THOUGHTS THAT WE CAN OFFER SUBJECT TO, TO, TO YOU THINKING, UH, THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.
MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION? OH, OF COURSE.
UM, THIS AREA RIGHT IN HERE, YOU ARE INCORPORATING THE VETERANS PARK? WELL, THE VETERANS PARK IS, IS, IS, IS DESIGNED.
I MEAN, IT'S GOTTA BE, YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S GOTTA BE PARKED FOR SURE.
NOTHING WE'RE GONNA DO IS IN LIEU OF THE VETERANS PARK.
SO YOU'RE STAYING OFF THE SIDE THAT'S GOTTA YEAH, THAT'S GOTTA BE SEAMLESS.
WE WANT, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE, THE GREENERY AND THE PEDESTRIAN WAY AND EVERYTHING ELSE JUST BLEND IN WITH VETERANS PARK AND, AND WITH, UM, UH, THE, THE, THE MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS.
AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S PARTICULARLY CLOSE TO, UH, TO, TO MY HEART.
SO, UH, YEAH, WE, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT CAN BE A FEATURE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND, UH, THAT WHOLE EXPERIENCE OF BEING IN A VETERANS PARK AND INTERACT WITH THE REST OF THE REST OF THE PROJECT.
LET'S JUST GO, LET'S JUST DO A PAGE TURN, AND IF IT'S NOT IMPORTANT, I'LL STAY OFF OFF IT.
SO IN ORDER TO GET TO THE PLAN, YOU JUST SAW, UM, WE HAVE DIFFERENT, THESE ARE CALLED STAGE DOCUMENTS AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY FIT WITHIN AN AREA.
WE TRIED TO BREAK UP THE, UM, UH, THE REDEVELOPMENT AREAS.
AND, UM, NEIL HAD ASKED ME YESTERDAY IN THE MEETING, WHAT DIRECTION WOULD YOU GO IN? AND
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I FELT THAT GOING FROM A B AND E PROBABLY MADE THE MOST SENSE.AND THE LOGIC BEHIND IT IS A, IS THE BIGGEST PIECE IN PHASE ONE B TENDS TO BE WHERE LIKE ORIGIN SQUARE IS, AND WE CAN DO SOMETHING INTERESTING HERE.
AND UM, UH, IF YOU LOOK UP AT AREA E, THERE'S ALREADY BEEN SOME, UM, UH, SOME CHATTER BACK AND FORTH WITH A COUPLE OF PROPERTY OWNERS THERE THAT HAVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN DISREPAIR THAT ARE NOW INTERESTED IN, IN, IN SELLING IT.
SO WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, ONCE, ONCE WE GET YOUR, UH, BLESSING ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, WE CAN GET INTO ACTION.
AND WE NEVER START TALKING TO PEOPLE BEFORE, UM, BEFORE THE MAYOR COUNCIL ARE, UH, ARE, ARE, ARE COMFORTABLE AND, UH, ARE EFFECTIVELY SAYING, YES, WE WANT YOU TO GO AHEAD AND, AND DO THIS AND THEN, AND THEN WE DO THAT WORK.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I CALL AN OVERALL MASKING PLAN.
AND, AND, AND MAYOR, THAT'S WHAT WHAT YOU WOULD ASK FOR.
THAT'S GENERALLY THE ENTIRE REDEVELOPMENT AREA SUBJECT TO BEING ABLE TO NEGOTIATE.
PHASE ONE IS, IS PHASE ONE IS DONE.
UM, AND, AND I, AND I THINK, AND I THINK B AND EI REALLY FEEL LIKE BASED ON SOME OF THE CHATTER WE'RE HEARING, WE, WE CAN GET THOSE UNDER CONTRACT EVEN IF WE HAVE TO CHASE IT A LITTLE BIT, UM, AND, AND SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY.
I THINK THEY'RE SO IMPORTANT TO THE OVERALL REDEVELOPMENT.
AND YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO DRIVE IN TO HARDY AND KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL GOING ON HERE.
AND I THINK IT WAS YOU THAT SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE, THERE'S, WE CAN GET PEOPLE TO COME FROM THE EAST AND BE HERE, ENTERTAIN HERE, EAT AT OUR RESTAURANTS HERE.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, TO DEVELOP HERE.
SO IT'S NOT, NOT WITHOUT THAT MORE, WHY DON'T YOU, AGAIN, IIII DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ENOUGH SLIDE.
WHY DON'T YOU GO THROUGH EACH COMPONENT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF LAND USE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR VISION IS OR WHAT YOUR OKAY.
I DON'T, I MEAN, JUST SO THEY HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH, NO, THAT, THAT, BECAUSE IT'S MIXED USE, BUT IF YOU COULD SAY, B, THIS IS WHAT I'M THINKING.
SO A, WE JUST WENT OVER, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE MAIN PLAN WE JUST LOOKED AT.
UM, BI THINK WE WANT TO KIND OF EXTEND THE, UM, UH, EXTEND THE RETAIL CORRIDOR DOWN HERE AND, BUT I, BUT I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY WHEN YOU SEE THESE BUILDINGS, UH, THE, THESE, THESE, THESE BIGGER SQUARE BUILDINGS, THOSE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, THEY OFFER THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, UH, WITH PURE OFFICE SPACE REALLY ISN'T A, A THING ANYMORE.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT CAN'T BE, AND WE'RE CERTAINLY GONNA HAVE SOME OF IT HERE.
UM, BUT I, I, I THINK THAT, THAT WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THAT TECHNOLOGY AND DIFFERENT KINDS OF BUSINESSES THAT, THAT SUPPORT THAT, UM, ARE, ARE GONNA WANNA BE WHERE THIS IS, UH, COMPANIES THAT REPRESENT INDUSTRY BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH THE PORT.
AND WE HAD SOME REAL CONVERSATIONS, UH, IN THE LAST 48 HOURS, UH, WITH THOSE USERS, WITH SUPPLIERS.
I HAD A CHANCE TO TOUR THE HYUNDAI PLANT DOWN, DOWN, DOWN SOUTH.
AND, UH, IT, IT, IT'S REALLY QUITE MIRACULOUS.
THERE'S ALREADY, IF YOU, IF, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN THERE, NOT ONLY IS THAT PLANT ON, ON ROUTE 16, UH, UH, INTERSTATE 16 AT BMI, BUT THERE'S ALREADY THREE DIFFERENT SUPPLIERS THAT HAVE MILLION SQUARE FOOT MM-HMM.
UH, AND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE MUTUAL TENANTS, WE DO DATA CENTERS AND DISTRIBUTION IN THE NORTHEAST FOR A LOT OF THESE MANUFACTURERS AND, AND REFRIGERATION COMPANIES AND, AND ALL OF IT.
AND, UH, IT WOULD BE KIND OF NICE FOR THEM TO HAVE SOME OFFICES AND TO HAVE SOME PLACE FOR THEIR EXECUTIVES TO BE JUST SLIGHTLY, UH, AWAY FROM WHERE THE WAREHOUSING FACILITY IS.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT, TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LEND ITSELF TOWARD.
SO MAYBE THIS WANTS TO END UP BEING A LITTLE PROFESSIONAL SECTION OF, OF WHERE THAT IS.
AND YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET THOSE DEALS.
YOU KNOW, YOU JUST DON'T PUT THE BUILDINGS UP AND PUT A FOUR LEASE SIGN THAT THAT DOESN'T CUT IT.
WE, WE, ON EVERY PROJECT, WE WORK REALLY HARD TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHO OUR USERS ARE GONNA BE AND TO, UH, AND, AND, AND TO MAKE SURE AND DO THAT, UM, ACROSS THE STREET.
AGAIN, VERY LOW DENSITY, NOT INTENSE, BUT RESIDENTIAL, WE FEEL LIKE THAT LAND IS THERE AND IT'S PROBABLY A REALLY GOOD USE.
AND TO BE ABLE TO GRAB THAT AND KEEP IT CONNECTED WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT IS GREAT.
UH, WE'LL HAVE AMENITIES HERE.
WE'LL HAVE A, A POOL, A CLUBHOUSE, SOMETHING WHERE IT'S A, A NICE PLACE TO LIVE BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE HERE IN THE COUNTY, UM, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY, WE'RE GONNA SEE DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS.
WE'RE GONNA SEE DIFFERENT PEOPLE MOVING IN, YOUNGER EXECUTIVES, YOUNGER TECH PEOPLE.
AND SO IF WE WANT TO CAPTURE THEM AND KEEP THEM HERE DOWNTOWN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S NEAT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS GOOD, THAT'S CLEAN, THAT'S NEW, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO GRAVITATE TO.
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NOT A LOT, BUT IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT TO SUPPORT IT.UM, UH, AND, AND, AND, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE SAME THING OVER HERE.
HAVING MORE OF A PROFESSIONAL AREA HERE WITH RESIDENTIAL ON EITHER SIDE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
UM, I HAD PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT THAT BEING VETERANS PARK.
I HAD PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT, UM, UH, WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WITH THE MUNICIPALITY GOING DOWN 46, GOING DOWN MAIN STREET WITH MIXED USE BUILDINGS, UM, WITH RESIDENTIAL UP TOP COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM TO KIND OF CREATE, MAKING THAT TURN.
IT REALLY MAKES A, A GREAT PRESENCE.
UM, I THINK ESPECIALLY WITH, UH, EVERYTHING MUNICIPAL IN, IN THE MIDDLE THERE.
I I, I THINK THAT LOOKS GREAT.
UM, D IS INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE RAIL, OBVIOUSLY, SO YOU DON'T HAVE A, HAVE A LOT OF DEPTH THERE OFF OF WHITE HARDY.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS THAT, THAT MIGHT GO THERE.
UM, ONLY BECAUSE THERE'S EXISTING BUILDINGS AND, UH, I MEAN, IF WE CAN, UM, BUY THOSE PROPERTIES AND, AND, AND DO SOMETHING NICER THAN WHAT'S THERE, WE WE CAN DO IT.
THAT'S THE ONLY AREA THAT TO ME IS YET UNDEFINED.
SOME OF THOSE OLDER BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF WE'LL NEED TO CLEAN UP UP THERE.
UM, BUT, BUT HEADING, HEADING NORTH ON WHITE HARDY THERE, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE OFFERED A A A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT KIND OF USES.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE WILL, WILL DICTATE WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS UP THERE.
AND AGAIN, THE D IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S, THAT'S UNDEFINED, BUT IT'S ALSO THE SMALLEST AREA AND PROBABLY THE ONE THAT WE WOULD DO AT THE END OF THE, THE END OF THE REDEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S YOUR, YOUR SNAPSHOT OF, OF, OF KIND OF A BIG, UH, BIG AREA, WHICH I LIKE.
AND I ALSO LIKE THE INTERSECTION.
WE'VE SPOKE IN A COUPLE OF OUR NATIONAL, UM, UH, UH, CLIENTS, TENANTS, AND BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING AND BASED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING JUST A LITTLE BIT UP THE ROAD FROM HERE, UH, THAT INTERSECTION COULD BE REALLY GOOD.
AND OF COURSE, YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE REC CENTER, WHICH IS JUST A, A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY.
UM, AND, AND, AND SO WE, WE LIKE THAT INTERSECTION A LOT.
WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE OVERALL REDEVELOPMENT, AND THAT IS EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, IF, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT EVERYTHING, IF YOU TOOK A LOOK AT THE OVERALL ACREAGE, IT COULD BE UP TO 78 ACRES, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE GONNA GET EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY OR WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE WITH EVERYONE.
UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEONE LOCAL DO THAT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT AS A DEVELOPER BECAUSE THAT, THAT NEVER WORKS OUT.
WE NEED SOMEONE HYPER-LOCAL WHO IS UNDERSTANDS HARDY V IS HARDY V AND WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN TO A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT I THINK FIT, FIT THE BILL TO, TO DO THAT.
YOU ARE NOT GONNA SEE ME WALK IN THE STREETS KNOCKING ON DOORS THAT WILL NOT, THERE'S NO GOOD END THERE.
UM, WARREN, UH, PLEASE EXPLAIN TO THE COUNCIL, UM, AND I THINK WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION.
THE THOUGHT IS, YOU KNOW, THERE, AND, AND I BELIEVE THIS WHITE HEART BOULEVARD WILL THRIVE WITH LOCAL ENTREPRENEURS.
UM, THERE WE HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD ONES ALREADY IN EXISTENCE, BUT THE CONVERSATION IS NOT TO, TO DISPLACE THE ORIGIN SQUARE MERCHANTS OR LAS CUDOS OR OR CAROLINA FOODS, BUT TO PUT THEM IN A MUCH BETTER FACILITY THAT THEY'RE IN NOW, GIL LOS QUATO HAS TERRIBLE PARKING AND UH, CAROLINA HAS NOTHING.
BUT, UM, DO YOU KNOW, THE LAST TIME I WAS IN TOWN, AND YOU MAKE A A GREAT POINT, AND YOU WERE VERY CLEAR ABOUT TELLING ME THIS WHEN WE WERE TOGETHER LAST TIME, THAT, THAT THAT'S JOB WANT IS TO MAKE SURE THEY STAY HERE.
WE HAD A MEETING, YOUR GUYS WERE BEATING ME UP PRETTY GOOD HERE.
SAM AND I LEFT HERE AT LIKE THREE O'CLOCK.
AND WE WENT ACROSS THE STREET TO CAROLINA, AND SHE WOULD, I SAID, I JUST WANT SOMETHING, I'LL EAT IN THE CAR.
SHE MADE, SAM AND I COME IN, MADE US LIKE A RIDICULOUS MEAL AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON.
I SAT THERE EATING IT AND SOON AS I TOOK MY FIRST BITE, I KNEW THAT LIKE, WE CAN'T.
AND I SAID, WOULDN'T YOU WANNA BE, WOULDN'T YOU WANNA BE IN SOMEPLACE NICE NEW? SHE SEEMED TO JUMP OVER THE COUNTER.
SO YEAH, WE KEEPING THEM ARE REALLY IMPORTANT, WONDERFUL PEOPLE.
UP AND DOWN OUR, OUR MERCHANTS AND, AND OF COURSE ALSO FOR THE SAKE OF THE COUNCIL, WE HAVE INVITED RICK PATEL BECAUSE YOU KNOW, DEE IS MM-HMM.
THAT'S RICK'S CORNER, THAT'S RICK'S CORNER.
SO, UH, WE'RE WE INVITED RICK TO BUY INTO THIS IDEA AS WELL.
UM, WHICH I, I HE'S VERY ENTHUSIASTIC, UH, IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH YEAH, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAD MET WITH RICK AND, UH, WE HAD REACHED
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OUT FOR HIM AND I, I MAYBE, APPARENTLY HE'S A LITTLE TOO BUSY RIGHT NOW, BUT WE ARE MORE THAN OPEN.I THINK IT'S A MUCH BETTER PROJECT WITH HIM.
I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FULLY ENGAGE HIM YET.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO TO GET THAT OVER THE TOP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I THINK WHAT I'M, YOU KNOW, HE'S INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING THE, THE EMPTY LOT AS YOU GO INTO E HE'S GOT A BIG INVESTMENT IN, HE JUST BOUGHT THE APARTMENTS AND YOU GOT STUFF, HE'S GOT THE APARTMENT, BUT HE HAS THE LOT NEXT TO THE GAS STATION.
SO HE'S, HE'S GOT A LOT OF INVESTMENT IN THERE AND PHILOSOPHICALLY HE'S BEHIND AND THE IMPROVEMENT ALONG THE BOULEVARD.
BUT HE HAS TO BE, HE HAS TO BE BOUGHT IN BECAUSE OF HIS, HIS OWNERSHIP IN THAT AREA.
AND WE GAVE HIM AN, WE GAVE HIM AN, AN AN AN OPEN BOOK TO, TO DO EVERYTHING.
AND I, I JUST HAVEN'T, WE, WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK.
I MEAN, WHEN I SAY WE ENGAGE, UH, SAM AND I BOTH SENT HIM EMAILS.
SAM CALLED HIM, LEFT HIM A VOICEMAIL.
WE LITERALLY DID EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD.
AND, UH, WE STAND, STAND READY TO WHENEVER HE IS READY TO THE COUNTRY OFF AND ON, BUT OKAY, I, I CAN HELP WITH THAT CONTACT.
BUT YES, FULLY UNDERSTOOD, I GET, AND AS TO THE LOCAL MERCHANTS, WE FEEL THAT THEY COULD REALLY THRIVE IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET THEM IN LIKE A, A NEW FACILITY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S MODERN WHERE THEY COULD WORK AND MAYBE HELP THEM A LITTLE BIT.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE STATE CAN HELP BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR BUSINESSES LIKE THAT TO GET THEM A LITTLE BIT OVER THE TOP, GET 'EM OPEN, NEW EQUIPMENT, A NEW PLACE, THEY COULD BE GREAT.
BUT FOR SURE THE PEOPLE HAVING MET A COUPLE OF 'EM ARE JUST GREAT.
AND NO, THE GOAL IS TO KEEP 'EM HERE IN A NEW FACILITY AND ABSOLUTELY NOT DISPLACE THEM IN ANY WAY.
UM, SO JUST REAL QUICK, WARREN, UH, I THINK BRANDON HAS SOME GOOD NEWS ABOUT OUR FAVORITE PLACE, UH, J AND C AUTO.
BUT HE GOT, UM, J AND C, FIRST OF ALL TO START CLEANING UP THE FRONT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BUT HE ALSO GOT, UM, WE ISSUED A, A LETTER THAT THEY HAVE A YEAR TO CLEAN UP OR WE WOULD TAKE ACTION.
UM, SERIOUS ACTION, MEANING, MEANING TRYING TO CLOSE THEM DOWN AND, AND EVERYTHING THROUGH IT GOES THROUGH THE BZA ON, ON UP TO CIRCUIT COURT.
SO IT'S A, IT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT PROCESS THAN, THAN OUR MUNICIPAL COURT.
BUT MR. UM, JIMENEZ, UM, CARMELO CAME IN AND MADE, MET WITH KATIE AND I, AND, UM, HE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT HE WANTS TO RETIRE ISH, MAY MID, MID 25, UM, WHICH WOULD BE PERFECT WITH THE YEAR LONG PROCESS, BUT HE ALSO MADE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS AND, AND EVERYTHING.
SO IT, IT, I DON'T KNOW THAT HIS CLEANUP IS GOING TO HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY.
SO WE SUGGESTED THAT HE MAY WANNA TALK TO, TO WARREN AND, AND SAM.
AND, UM, HE IS, HE SEEMS TO BE AMENABLE.
AND, UM, I THINK I MADE, WHEN I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE OIL SPILL IN THE BACK YESTERDAY, UM, IT ACTUALLY MADE ME HAPPY.
SO, UM, WE CLEANED UP CONTAMINATED PROPERTY, SO, SO THERE'S PROGRESS SLOW, BUT PROGRESS.
AND ALSO, UM, ON THE CORNER THERE, UM, FRANKLIN'S MM-HMM,
PEER, OH, HE SOLD, HE ALREADY SOLD IT.
HE'S, UH, HE LEAVES IN DECEMBER.
SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IMPACT THAT WILL HAVE ON THE OVERALL PLAN, BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S ONE OF THE NICER BUILDINGS IN THAT STRIP, SO.
HE'S DONE A LOT OF WORK ON IT.
CAN WE NOT HAVE JNC PEOPLE START TAKING CARE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES THAT THEY CREATED? WE, WE ARE CERTAINLY WORKING WITH, UM, IT'S, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH DES OR OKAY.
DE AND, AND THE EPA, UM, THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS.
AND ALL OF THAT'S BEEN STARTED.
UM, THE FIRST STEP IS TO TRY TO, TO GET SOME OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS, UM, AND THEN WE MOVE TO THE ENVIRONMENT.
BUT, UM, UH, BETWEEN, UM, BARRETT AND HIS CREW WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WITH, UH, RICHARD AND HIS INTENSITY
UM, WE HAVE DRONE FOOTAGE, WE HAVE PICTURES FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE AS WELL AS CODE ENFORCEMENT.
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UM, WE HAVE ANOTHER NUMBER OF THINGS DOCUMENTED.SO WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE NOW THAT WE'RE GETTING WITH, WITH D DS, BUT JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THOSE OFFICES AND, AND EPA, THEY'RE, YEAH, THEY'RE BEHIND SCHEDULE.
AND, AND, AND SO WE ARE, WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM.
BUT I DID NOTICE THE CLEANUP AT JNC AND I SAID, OKAY, THESE GUYS HAVE BEEN TURNING THE SCREW ON HIM.
SO
THEY, THAT'S ALL PART OF, UH, WHAT WARREN'S E IS SO GREAT, LET'S, UH, GET HIM BACK ON TRACK HERE.
UM, SO, BUT YOU, YOU BROUGHT, YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING THAT I, AND, AND I WANTED TO BE REALLY CLEAR.
THERE ARE A BUNCH OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE.
SOME OF THE AUTO PARTS STORES, THE BANK, A COUPLE OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT THERE'S NO NEED TO TOUCH.
THEY'RE A, THEY'RE A, UM, UH, THEY WOULD SUPPORT THE REDEVELOPMENT.
SO IN, IN, IN, IN NO WAY DO WE THINK THAT, UH, A BUNCH OF THOSE BUILDINGS NEED TO DO ANYTHING BUT JUST BE NEIGHBORS.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO, THERE'D BE NO REASON TO DO THAT.
SO YOU, YOU DO HAVE WHAT I THINK IS A REALLY GOOD CORE AND ENOUGH FOR US TO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, EVERY REDEVELOPMENT IS A RISK.
THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A, AS A GUARANTEED PROJECT IN TERMS OF ITS SUCCESS.
BUT I, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES US VERY, UH, VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT THOSE BUILDINGS ARE GOOD AND THERE'S NO REASON TO, UH, TO, TO, TO DO ANYTHING WITH 'EM.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE CLEAN, THEY'RE WELL MAINTAINED, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PLEASANT, YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTURALLY.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE FINE.
UM, DO YOU WANT, YEAH, OR JUST TAKE JUST A A SECOND AND TELL THE COUNCIL ABOUT KIND OF YOUR LEVEL OF COMMITMENT, RIVER DEVELOPMENT'S COMMITMENT, LIKE THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU CONSTRUCT AND KIND OF LONG TERM WHAT, WHAT YOUR, THE VISION IS.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT TO THEM.
AND, AND, AND I, I, I, I, I AGREE, MATT, UM, WE, EVERY COMPANY HAS A DIFFERENT BUSINESS PLAN FOR WHAT THEY DO.
AND A LOT OF REAL ESTATE HAS BECOME WHERE A LOT OF REAL ESTATE USED TO BE FAMILY OWNED, UH, 50 YEARS AGO.
UM, REAL ESTATE'S BECOME A FINANCIAL TOOL, AND A LOT OF DEVELOPERS ARE NOTHING MORE THAN FINANCIAL COMPANIES AND FUNDS WHO WILL PUT THEIR MONEY IN, GET THE BUILDING, UH, FULLY DEVELOPED THE LEASED, AND THEN SELL IT.
AND ONCE THAT HAPPENS, YOU'RE DEALING WITH A FUND, A, A A, A CORPORATION, SOMEONE WHO THEY DO THINGS ON THEIR OWN TERMS. THEY WOULDN'T PARTICULARLY DO, THEY WOULDN'T DO HARDY BILL JUSTICE BECAUSE THEY JUST, THEY DON'T CARE.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO YOU.
WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE A, A BUY AND HOLD MULTI-GENERATIONAL BUSINESS WHERE WE BUILD THE ASSETS CORRECTLY BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA OWN 'EM LONG TERM AND WE MAINTAIN 'EM.
BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, YOUR ASSET JUST DETERIORATES.
SO THIS IS NOT SOME FINANCIAL, AND BASICALLY IT'S A TWO OR THREE YEAR THING WHAT THE OTHER COMPANIES DO, AND IT'S HAPPENING DOWN AT THE PORT RIGHT NOW.
UH, THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE ONE OF THEIR DEVELOPERS COME IN FROM WAY OUTTA STATE, EVEN FURTHER OUTTA STATE THAN I AM, AND THEY'LL DEVELOP THIS WAREHOUSING, IT'S DISTRIBUTION, AND TWO YEARS LATER IT GETS FLIPPED BACK FOR A, A FEE OR AN IRR, AN INTERNAL RATE OF RETURN, AND IT'S MANAGED BY THE FUNDS, AND THEY COULD, THEY COULD CARE LESS.
SO, UM, I I, I, I FEEL LIKE, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT AND, AND MATT, THAT WAS A GOOD POINT, THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THIS IS, UH, AS, AS HOME SPUN AS IT COULD BE.
AND WE JUST SIMPLY WOULDN'T START, START THIS PROJECT WITHOUT FINISHING IT AND WITHOUT MAINTAINING IT AND IT BEING AS SERIOUS AS, AS ANYTHING WE DO.
WE DO A LOT OF BIGGER PROJECTS.
THE POINT IS THAT THEY'RE ALL, UM, VIEWED THE SAME, MANAGE THE SAME, BUILT THE SAME, AND, AND THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
SO THIS IS NOT SOME FINANCIAL INSTRUMENT, IT'S PURE REAL ESTATE.
THAT, THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET TO THAT ELEVATION.
UH, I THINK WE HAVE TWO SHEETS.
WE HAVE THE WHITE HARDY SIDE AND THE UH, UH, COURTYARD SIDE.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST ALL DIFFERENT PLANS THAT WE GET TO, THAT WE HAD TO DO TO GET TO THE BIG ONE.
I THINK THIS IS A GOOD, CAN WE YEAH.
SO, UM, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AS, AS I SAID AT THE, UH, AT THE START OF THE, THE, THE PRESENTATION TO HAVE WHITE HEARTY LOOK REALLY NICE AND TO HAVE WHITE AND TO EVERY, FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW IT'S SOMETHING SPECIAL.
NOW, I I, I ALSO SAID INITIALLY THAT, UM, A COUPLE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE TO SHOW YOU IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, UH, IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF ARCHITECTURE THAN I THINK NECESSARILY BELONGS
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HERE.BUT AGAIN, THIS IS ALL BEING DESIGNED AND EVERYTHING YOU'RE SEEING ARE FROM SOUTH CAROLINA BASED ARCHITECTS AND DESIGNERS WHO I'VE GOT HIGH REGARD FOR.
AND SO WE DID A COUPLE OF REALLY NEAT THINGS.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS BUILDING, YOU COULD SEE IT'S KIND OF MORE OF A FLAT ROOF RIGHT THERE, THAT'S ONE OF OUR ROOFTOP ENTERTAINMENT BUILDINGS.
BUT YOU'LL SEE EVERYTHING WE DO.
THE ENTRANCE IS SET BACK, THAT CORNER OF THE BUILDING IS SET BACK.
THE ENTIRE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE THAT.
IT'LL BE FENESTRATED WITH, WITH REALLY NICE EXTERIOR MOLDING, REALLY NICE UPLIGHTING.
AND THE ONE THING YOU DON'T SEE THERE IS HARDSCAPE AND LANDSCAPE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO SIT DOWN.
THE SIDEWALK'S GONNA GET MUCH BIGGER THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW.
YOU, YOU CAN, IT'S NOT LIKE, UH, IT'S NOT LIKE BUILDING IN ATLANTA WHERE YOUR BUILDING CAN BE RIGHT OUT TO WHERE THE CURB IS.
THERE NEEDS TO BE AN AREA THERE WHERE, UH, PEOPLE WALKING DOWN THE STREET COULD SIT.
ULTIMATELY, YOU'LL NOTICE WE HAVE BREAKS IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS.
WE WANT 'EM TO COME INTO THE COURTYARD, WHICH IS WHERE ALL THE ACTIVITY IS.
UM, BUT YOU, YOU'LL SEE ON ANOTHER ELEVATION, WE'VE GOT WELL, BUILDINGS WITH BALCONIES, THAT BUILDING DOWN THERE.
AND THIS WE LOVE, THIS IS CLASSIC LOW COUNTRY WRAPAROUND BALCONY ON TWO FLOORS.
UM, UH, THIS HAPPENS TO DEPICT, 'CAUSE WE HAVE ONE OF 'EM, UM, A RESTAURANT WITH TABLES DOWNSTAIRS AND, AND PEOPLE AND ACTIVITY THAT WILL SPILL OUT ONTO WHITE HARDY.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE, AND OTHER PEOPLE DO THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT ON THE ROADSIDE, THEY JUST BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S MONOLITHIC AND HAS NO APPEAL AT ALL.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO WELCOME THE, THE PUB, THE PUBLIC AND FRIENDS THAT COME HERE, GUESTS THAT COME HERE, UM, TO COME INTO THE, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT IN HERE, AND THE BUILDINGS ARE DIFFERENT, BUT VERY MUCH HAVE THE SAME, UM, OLD SOUTH ARCHITECTURAL FEEL.
THE NEXT STAGE IS TO GO TO A REAL ARCHITECTURAL, ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING WITH COLOR.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL, UH, FOR YOU TO LOOK AT, COMMENT ON AND, AND, AND SUGGEST, UH, AND NEIL, WE HAVE A COURTYARD ONE TO THANK YOU SO MUCH.
SO THOSE ARE THE SAME BUILDINGS, BUT INSIDE THE, THE COURTYARD NOW, SO YOU'VE GOT, UM, BALCONIES FOR THE, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL THERE, WHICH IS REALLY NICE.
YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON.
UH, THIS WAS PROBABLY JUST AVAILABLE ON THE ARCHITECT SOFTWARE.
SO IT SHOWS A, A BRICK AND STONE COMBINATION.
UH, WE THINK IT'S GONNA WANT TO BE SOMETHING ELSE, BUT MORE LIKE HARDY PLANK ABOVE.
ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE USE NO, NO PLAY ON WORDS IS A, IT IS A CEMENT BOARD.
AND IT'S LASTS FOR 50 YEARS AND IT'S A GREAT PRODUCT.
AND WE DO A LOT OF WORK AND BUY LITERALLY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PRODUCT DIRECTLY FROM HARDY.
THEY WOULD SEND THE REPRESENTATIVE DOWN HERE AND WORK WITH US.
THIS IS THAT CLASSIC LOW COUNTRY WHERE WE HAVE A TIN ROOF, REALLY INTERESTING STUFF ON THE OUTSIDE.
AND BASICALLY THE, THE TWO STORY BALCONIES ARE JUST GREAT.
YOU, YOU TRY KIND OF WANNA MATCH SOME OF IT OVER THERE, UH, ON THOSE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS.
AND THEN THE POST OFFICE WOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT BUILDING.
SO JUST AN IDEA OF, OF WHAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
IT TRIES TO, UM, RESPECT SOME OF THE HISTORY, RESPECT SOME OF THE CULTURE, AND, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BRING IN SOMETHING AND YOU'LL SEE A STARK DIFFERENCE FROM THINGS THAT HAPPENED ELSEWHERE.
IS THERE ANY COM ANY COMMENTS OR ANY THOUGHTS FROM, FROM THE COUNCIL? JUST ON THIS INITIAL BLUSH, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE EVERY DETAIL, BUT WE HAD TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT AT LEAST CAN EXPRESS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND HE, THIS WILL ALL BE DONE BEFORE MIKE LEAVES NEXT WEEK.
I ACTUALLY TOLD MIKE IT WOULD BE DONE BY THE END OF HIS RETIREMENT PARTY TONIGHT, BUT I'M, I'M NOT, I'M REALLY NOT THAT GOOD.
UM, SO, UH, YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, WE, WE COULD CERTAINLY WRAP IT UP, BUT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CERTAIN PROCESS AND I, I CAN'T GET OUT AHEAD OF THE COUNCIL.
UM, AND WE'RE ALSO, WE, WE COME IN HERE WITH A LOT OF HUMILITY AND, AND OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS AND ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO.
I TRY TO HAVE THIS WELL THOUGHT OUT.
I MEAN, WE LITERALLY GOT THIS UNDER THE WIRE, LITERALLY THE DAY OF HIS RETIREMENT PARTY.
BUT, UM, WE, WE FELT LIKE WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUST COME IN WITH SOMETHING THAT WASN'T WELL THOUGHT OUT OR, OR WELL DESIGNED.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE OTHER SECTIONS OF THE REDEVELOPMENT, SHOULD WE BE SUCCESSFUL BEING ABLE TO NEGOTIATE AND PURCHASE THOSE PROPERTIES? THEY MAY HAVE THEIR OWN, UM, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR OWN IDENTITY OR THEIR OWN CHARACTER, BUT THIS BEING THE MAIN PART OF THE PROJECT AND SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA SPEAK TO EVERYONE IN JASPER COUNTY, HEY, WHAT THE HECK'S GOING ON IN HARDY? WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS REPRESENTATIVE
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OF WHAT, WHAT WE ALL WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M GONNA BE AS BIG A PART, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH A PART OF HARVILLE AS ANYONE.'CAUSE OUR COMMITMENT HERE IS SERIOUS, AND WE'LL HAVE CERTAINLY MIL MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY PLUS THE LOANS, PLUS WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO PERSONALLY.
IT, IT MAY LOOK CUTE, BUT IT'S SERIOUS BUSINESS WHEN IT COMES TO FINANCING IT AND, AND GETTING IT UP OUT OF THE GROUND.
SO A, A A, ANYTHING THAT, THAT YOU, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO ASK.
I MEAN, IT'S A PRETTY CASUAL ENVIRONMENT.
I'M, I'M NOT OFFENDED BY ANYTHING YOU MIGHT SAY OR A A ANYTHING THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE WE CAN, WE, UH, PARTICULARLY ME, I HAVE A, A WAY OF OFFENDING PEOPLE.
UH, I WAS PRETTY SURE OUR FIRST MEETING, WE'D NEVER SEE EACH OTHER AGAIN.
YOU SENT ME ON MY WAY
I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT SETBACKS AND SIDEWALKS, WHICH YOU DIDN'T GIMME DIMENSIONS, BUT YOU, YOU HAVE THAT IN THERE.
HOW ABOUT BIKE LANES? UH, IS THAT PART OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? UH, I, I WOULD WANT TO HAVE A, UH, DEEPER CONVERSATION WITH HOW WE DO THAT.
DO WE WANT TO HAVE A DEDICATED BIKE LANE THAT WE, BETWEEN THE RIGHT PART OF THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX AND THE REDEVELOPMENT AND YEAH.
WE HAVE A GREENWAY, UM, ON THIS COLUMBIA PROJECT WE'RE WORKING ON IN THE CITY OF COLUMBIA, AND WE ELECTED, INSTEAD OF BURYING IT BACK ON THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, WE BROUGHT THE GREENWAY RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT.
WE'RE, YOU KNOW, A, A LONG WAY FROM, FROM BUILDING IT.
BUT, UM, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE, WE VIEW THAT AS A, AS SOMETHING POSITIVE NOT TO BE HIDDEN IN THE CORNER.
SO IF I TOOK SOME DIRECTION FROM YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST WAY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT GOES.
AND YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A HUGE BENEFIT TO IT GIVEN THE CONCEPT THAT YOU'RE SHOWING.
AND I'LL LEAVE THIS UP TO THE PROFESSIONALS, BUT PERHAPS, UM, BIKE LANES ON WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD MAYBE TOO, UH, TOO DANGEROUS GIVEN WHAT WE DEVELOP HERE.
BUT GIVEN YOUR COURTYARD CONCEPT, MAYBE THE BIKE LANES CAN BE BEHIND.
THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE INTUITIVE TO US.
UH, SO YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE, AGAIN, WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD LAY OUT AND INCORPORATE INTO THE PLAN.
LET'S SAY, SAY HYPOTHETICALLY YOU COULD PURCHASE, UM, THAT WHAT YOU CALL THE WHITE HOTEL.
UM, I, I'VE CEASED TO CALL THAT A HOTEL YEARS AGO.
UM, BUT LET'S SAY WE, YOU COULD PURCHASE THAT.
WOULD THAT BE RAISED IN THAT ENTIRE STRETCH, BE PHASE ONE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM? YES.
HEY COUNSEL, ANYBODY? UM, THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, WE HAVE TO BE CONSIDERATE OF KEEPING THINGS AFFORDABLE.
WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE CANNOT MAKE HOUSING THAT IS OUT OF THE, UH, THE AFFORDABILITY FOR THE COMPONENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, WE CAN'T HAVE $3,000 A MONTH APARTMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY WHILE WE SAY THAT.
AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO AS WE PROCEED AHEAD WITH THIS, PLEASE KEEP THAT INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF, UH, PAYABLE HOUSING THOUGHT FOR, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
BUT, UH, THE BASIC, BASIC COMPONENT OF OUR COMMUNITY IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
SO YOU SAID SOMETHING INTERESTING IN SOUTH CAROLINA, IT'S REFERRED TO AS ATTAINABLE HOUSING UP NORTH.
IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT IT'S ALL, IT'S, IT'S ALL THE SAME THING.
I WOULD PROPOSE THAT IN ORDER FOR THIS TO BE SUCCESSFUL, THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A MIX OF ATTAINABLE HOUSING FOR THE PEOPLE.
WE WANT PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA WORK HERE TO, TO LIVE HERE TOO.
SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THAT RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN ATTAINABLE, BUT ALSO SOMETHING THAT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE IF WE'RE GONNA TRY AND BRING SOME OF THE TECH COMMUNITY IN HERE.
AND THERE IS, IT'S MORE ARTWORK THAN SCIENCE, BUT I THINK WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES SENSE.
AND TO US, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS NOT TO MAKE ANYONE WHO'S GONNA BE IN THE ATTAINABLE, UH, UNITS FEEL SEGREGATED OUT.
AND WE, WE, WE KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
WE CAN PUT COMPONENTS OF, OF, OF, OF THOSE UNITS TO, TO MAKE IT LOOK EVERY BIT THE SAME.
THEY MIGHT BE A LITTLE SMALLER, THEY MIGHT BE A LITTLE THIS OR THAT, BUT YEAH, I, I, I THINK WE WOULD BE SHORTSIGHTED
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AND TERRIBLY UNPROFESSIONAL NOT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO DO HERE.THE YOUNG PROFESSIONALS IN THE OBTAINABLE ARE REALLY TWO DIFFERENT AUDIENCES MARKETS.
AND NOT WHEN YOU AND I WERE KIDS, BUT THEY ARE NOW, THEY'RE MAKING MORE THAN WE ARE.
BUT IT'S A BLENDING OF THAT, THAT YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT.
AND, UH, AND I THINK THAT'S WISE AND ALSO YOUNG PROFESSIONAL TYPES ARE REALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE OBTAINABLE AUDIENCES.
I MEAN, THEY WOULDN'T MIND HAVING THE SAME PRICES, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY DIFFERENT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
BUT I'M A, I'M A ROOKIE AND A NOVICE.
I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL LIKE YOU.
WELL, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, LISTEN, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN TO RUN A REDEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE ALWAYS REALLY PROUD OF IS WE PUT A, HE HECK OF A LOT OF PEOPLE TO WORK, NOT JUST DURING CONSTRUCTION, BUT POST CONSTRUCTION AND, UH, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT MAINTAIN THE, THE, THE BUILDINGS AND THE GROUNDS.
UM, AND I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A REAL CLEAR, UM, REAL CLEAR SEPARATION BETWEEN PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING PEOPLE AND WORK HARD EVERY DAY.
AND, AND IN A LOT OF CASES, I THINK ARE UNDERPAID CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY'S GOTTEN A LITTLE OUTTA CONTROL.
THOSE GUY, EVERYONE ON ON THOSE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ARE MAKING A LOT OF MONEY.
ME MEANING GUYS ARE GETTING THEIR HANDS THERE.
YOU'RE MAKING A LOT OF MONEY, BUT, WELL, MY DOCTOR JUST LEFT TO BE A CONSTRUCTION BOARD NOW.
WELL, I COULD, I COULD, I COULD SEE THAT WITH THE, WHERE THE HOSPITAL CORPORATIONS ARE RIGHT NOW.
AND I, I, I DO HAVE A, SO A DAUGHTER THAT'S AN OB GYN SURGEON.
SO I'M A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THAT THAN, THAN YOU MAY THINK.
UM, HUGE ADVOCATE FOR WOMEN'S HEALTH.
BUT I FEEL LIKE, UM, THAT WE, WE MAKE IT A BETTER COMMUNITY.
IT'S A BETTER DEVELOPMENT IF WE WELCOME EVERYONE IN AND WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S FOREIGN INTO ME IN OTHER, IN OTHER STATES.
AND NOTHING BOTHERS ME MORE THAN THAT.
THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT'S VERY PLEASANT.
WE WE'RE DOING 'CAUSE 'CAUSE WE WANT TO DO IT AND WE THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING, NOT BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S SHOVING IT DOWN YOUR THROAT AND THAT, AND THEN YOU JUST, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU JUST NEVER RESPOND WELL TO THAT.
SO YES, THE ANSWER IS YES AND WE'LL DO IT, BUT LET'S, LET'S DO IT TOGETHER.
I'LL NEED SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE MUNICIPALITY.
SO YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT BLENDING RESIDENTIAL WITH THE RETAIL ASPECT OF THIS.
SO HOW WOULD YOU BLEND THE BARS AND THE RESTAURANTS WITH WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LIVE? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BARS AND RESTAURANTS STAY OPEN TILL LATE AND, YOU KNOW, THEY GET NOISY AND YOU GET ALL KINDS OF ISSUES WITH THAT.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT'S NATURAL.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SEPARATE THAT? MAY I SUGGEST SOMETHING TO YOU, MA'AM? YES.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU AND I ARE READY TO LIVE ON TOP OF A BAR, BUT THERE ARE OTHERS OUT THERE THAT MAY BE A LITTLE YOUNGER THAN US
SO THE ANSWER IS HE'S YOUR WALK HOME
THE ANSWER IS YOU JUST WALK UPSTAIRS.
THE ANSWER IS, IT'S OUR, OUR EXPERIENCE IN, IN, IN OUR DEVELOPMENTS THAT PEOPLE KIND OF LIKE YOU AND ME KIND OF LIVE ON ON THE, THE, THE, THE FIFTH FLOOR OR FOURTH FLOOR DOWN THE HALLWAY FROM ALL OF THIS.
AND THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANNA FALL OUTTA THEIR STAIRS AND BE RIGHT ON TOP OF THE BAR.
THE ANSWER IS SOMEHOW, SOMEHOW, AND THERE'S NO FORMULA FOR IT.
UM, SOMEHOW THAT JUST WORKS OUT OKAY.
AND PEOPLE WILL COME IN AND SAY, HEY, I WANNA LIVE HERE.
I WANNA LIVE RIGHT ON TOP OF IT.
AND MAYBE YOU AND I, NOT SO MUCH
BLUFFTON IS PREMIUM RENT FOR FOR THAT VERY THING.
BUT ALSO WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT VIA OUR NOISE S AS WELL, RIGHT? OH, SO THAT'S ANOTHER AVENUE.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER, AND I'M NOT ADVOCATING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET HABITAT, MATT AND I WAS GONNA SUGGEST TO YOU YEAH.
AND LOOK FOR, UH, ADDITIONAL HARVEY PLACE LO LOCATIONS.
AND MAYBE THAT'S OUR ATTAINABLE STRATEGY.
AND THEN HAVE THE YOUNGER TECH PEOPLE LIVING ON THOSE APARTMENTS ON RIGHT OFF BOULEVARD.
SO WE CAN, THERE'S SEVERAL WAYS WE CAN ATTACK THE ATTAINABLE HOUSING.
AND I THINK WE DID SOMETHING SPECIAL LAST SATURDAY.
SO AGAIN, I'M NOT ESPOUSING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT ALL JUST STUFF WE AS A COUNCIL SHOULD THINK ABOUT.
UH, YOU BROUGHT UP A VERY SORE SUBJECT FOR ME.
I WAS THERE ON BUSINESS AND SOMEONE SUGGESTED WE SHOULD GO OUT FOR DINNER WITH A COUPLE OF OUR PROFESSIONALS BECAUSE IT'S LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, SNAPSHOT OF EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO
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BE.AND I WAS IN A RESTAURANT AND UNUSUALLY LATE FOR ME, I THINK DINNER WAS LIKE SEVEN 30
I COULD BE MORE OF A FIVE 30 GUY AND USUALLY LATE FOR ME.
AND I WAS THE OLDEST PERSON IN THE RESTAURANT, NOT BY A LITTLE, BUT BY A LOT.
SO I'M STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN OVER THAT YET.
IT WAS BASICALLY EVERYONE IN THEIR LATE THIRTIES AND FORTIES, AND EVERYONE WAS GOING PRETTY HARD.
AND I, UH, USUALLY AM ASLEEP BY, BY THAT HOUR.
BUT YEAH, SO IT, THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT IF WE CAN DO THE RIGHT THING HERE, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE COMMUNITY YOU WANT.
THEY HAVE A LITTLE DISPOSABLE INCOME, THEY'LL, THEY'LL SPEND, BUT THE SECRET IS HAVING A PLACE WHERE EVERYONE'S COMFORTABLE.
WE ALL WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO HERE AND SIT DOWN AT A RESTAURANT IN, IN A BAR, AND ENJOY IT.
UM, AND, AND HAVE A GREAT EXPERIENCE AS MUCH AS, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC DOES.
SO THE, THE, THE SECRET SAUCE, IF YOU WILL, IS BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT, TO HAVE THAT MIX JUST SO, AND WE'VE DONE IT SUCCESSFULLY AND A LOT OF TIMES IT JUST, IT JUST TAKES CARE OF ITSELF.
I, I JUST SEE GOOD THINGS, NOTHING THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, CO CONCERNS ME ON WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
ONE MORE QUESTION, SIR, AND I'LL, I'LL ZIP IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO THE RESIDENTS DOWNTOWN WHO HAVE LIVED HERE ALL THEIR LIFE AND, AND A LOT OF THEM FEEL THAT THEY HAVE BEEN FORGOTTEN OR NEGLECTED.
JOHN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UM, A LOT OF THEM COMPLAIN ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A REALLY GOOD GROCERY STORE PHARMACY OR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
WHAT KIND OF RETAIL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT INTO THIS PROJECT? WELL, I, I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT UP, UH, UH, AT, AT, AT THE INTERSECTION OF JOHN SMITH AND WHITE HARDY THAT WE HAD NATIONAL INTEREST IN.
ONE OF THOSE WAS A, UM, A, UH, NATIONAL DRUGSTORE AND THE OTHER ONE WAS A NATIONAL FINANCIAL INSTITUTION.
I MET, UM, I MET MR. PATEL ONCE HERE IN THE BUILDING AND SPOKE TO HIM FOR A, A BIT OUT IN THE PARKING LOT ON OUR WAY OUT AND SUGGESTED THAT I, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA TO UPGRADE, ENLARGE, DO SOME GREAT THINGS WITH THE PIGGLY WIG THAT HE OWNS, AND, UH, MAKE IT A MORE, UM, MAKE IT A MORE THOROUGH SHOPPING EXPERIENCE.
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN, YOU KNOW, UH, REALLY ANY FEEDBACK YET, BUT IT'S EARL EARLY IN THE GAME.
BUT, UH, COULD WE BRING IN, I DON'T WANNA REPLACE SOMETHING THAT'S HERE OR HURT ANOTHER LANDLORD HERE IN TOWN, BUT DO I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER WITH A FOOD STORE? THE ANSWER IS YES.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO AN, TO A REDEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS.
HAVING A REALLY GOOD FOOD STORE IS IMPORTANT.
'CAUSE OTHER PEOPLE BESIDES PEOPLE THAT LIVE A COUPLE BLOCKS AWAY FROM HERE WILL COME THERE TO, TO SHOP.
OUR ATTORNEYS FROM, UH, UH, FROM CHARLESTON WERE, WERE DOWN FOR SOME SEMINAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON, UH, PALMETTO BLUFF.
THAT PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE TO DRIVE 1800 MILES TO GET INTO A MEETING IS, YEAH.
I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA NEED AN AIR SICKNESS BACK BY THE TIME I GOT IN THERE.
UM, AND, UH, SO ANYWAY, I, I, I SAID HAPPEN TO SPEAK TO A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS THERE.
I KNOW A COUPLE PEOPLE THERE, AND THEY GOTTA, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THEY'VE GOT QUITE A DRIVE RIGHT? TO GO TO WHATEVER, OH YEAH.
HARRIS THEATER OR WHATEVER THE FOOD STORE IS THAT'S THERE.
AND SO BRINGING A FOOD STORE TO TOWN OR IMPROVING THE ONE THAT'S HERE BRINGS PEOPLE TO TOWN AS WELL.
SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, IF, UH, IF, IF WE CAN GET SET UP, I'VE GOT A LITTLE TECH THING, BUT, UH, I'LL SHOW YOU A PROJECT THAT WE'RE DOING UP NORTH AND WE HAVE A WHOLE SITE PLAN DEVELOPED.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
AND WE HAVE A, GRANTED POPULATION'S A LITTLE DENSER THERE, BUT WE ARE SAVING A 60,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH THE 350 PARKING SPACES ON THAT SITE FOR A FOOD STORE THAT WE'RE GONNA SELECT LAST BECAUSE WE WANT THE RIGHT GUY SO THAT NOT EVERYONE DOES THAT.
YOU KNOW, THEY USED TO BUILD, UH, DEVELOPMENTS AND REDEVELOPMENTS WHERE YOUR GROCERY STORE WAS, YOUR ANCHOR, AND THEN EVERYTHING CAME AFTER THAT.
WE'RE DOING IT EXACTLY THE OTHER WAY.
'CAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE EVERYTHING ELSE LEASED AND WE'RE GONNA SELECT OUR FOOD STORE LAST.
BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW IMPORTANT IT IS, WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ONE THERE.
'CAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY FOUR OTHER ONES ON THIS BIG HIGHWAY UP NORTH.
BUT WE FEEL IT'S THAT IMPORTANT TO THE, ALL OF THE APARTMENTS AND TOWNHOUSES.
AND WE DO A MIX ON THESE BIGGER PROJECTS OF RENTAL, UM, RENTAL APARTMENTS AND FOR SALE TOWNHOUSES.
THEY ACTUALLY DON'T COMPETE WITH EACH OTHER.
AND, UM, WE FEEL THAT HIGH STRONGLY ABOUT A FOOD SOURCE.
THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A BIG THING FOR ME.
AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO WORK IT OUT, NO MATTER, NO MATTER WHO IT IS, WHAT IT IS, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, THE MAYOR COULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE QUARTERBACK ON THIS.
WHATEVER WE CAN DO, WE'RE ALL,
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WE, WE THINK HAVING A, UH, A, A A BETTER FOOD, FOOD SHOPPING EXPERIENCE IS ESSENTIAL FOR THIS TO BE GOOD.YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALL HAVE TO RECOGNIZE.
YOU HAVE TO, IN THIS CONCEPT, I'LL USE IT.
THIS, WE GOTTA FILL THE TOP IF WE'RE GONNA FILL THE UP, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA HAVE THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE.
AND WHO WILL SUPPORT THESE IN ADDITION TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE.
YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN HAS CHANGED A LOT.
JOHN CAN PROBABLY ATTEST TO THIS, YOU KNOW, PINE ARBOR ROAD HAS ONE DEMOGRAPHIC, BUT DOWNTOWN WE HAVE A HUGE HISPANIC POPULATION THAT SUPPORTS AR SQUARE AND WON'T, WON'T, YOU KNOW, WON'T SUPPORT SOME, YOU KNOW, UH, AN ALL NIGHT BAR.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO ATTRACT THE COMMERCIAL THINGS THAT WE WANT TO GET HERE.
SO ONCE AGAIN, YOU HIT ON SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
SO I'M GONNA KIND OF TRY AND FLIP THE SWITCH A LITTLE BIT AND ASK YOU ALL A QUESTION INSTEAD OF, I'M GONNA TAKE MYSELF OFF THE HOT SEAT FOR A SECOND.
YOU MAY HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION LURKING IN THERE.
SO I FEEL LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF BASED ON WHAT WE SAID TODAY IS HOW DO WE, AND THERE, THERE MAY NOT BE AN ANSWER ON THE FLOOR, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO WORK ON.
HOW DO WE EFFECTIVELY EXECUTE THIS REDEVELOPMENT? KNOW THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING DOWNTOWN AND DRIVING DOWNTOWN ARE GONNA CHANGE THE WAY THAT PEOPLE LOOK, MAY CHANGE THE WAY THE CARS THAT GO GO DOWN WHITE HARD MAY CHANGE.
BUT HOW DO WE DO THAT AND STILL MAINTAIN THE CONNECTION WITH THE LOCAL POPULATION? YEAH.
AND THAT'S NOT A SINGLE WORD ANSWER, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE AWARE OF.
WE'VE BEEN IN THAT SITUATION BEFORE.
AND THE ONLY WAY THIS IS SUCCESSFUL LONG TERM IS IF WE CAN KEEP BOTH, BOTH, BOTH PARTIES HAPPY AND MAKE BOTH PARTIES FEEL LIKE WE HEAR WE HEAR THEM.
SO THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S A QUESTION I WOULD THROW OUT TO YOU TO TALK ABOUT WHEN, WHEN I'M NOT HERE.
BUT SOMETHING THAT I, I THINK IS, IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
WE NEED A BIGGER PIGGLY WIGGLY, AND WE NEED STUFF THAT WILL ATTRACT, AND YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE, WE'VE GOTTA GET ALL THE HEAVY POPULATION CENTERS IN HARDY BUILT THAT ARE ON EAST CAN GET 'EM WEST, DOWNTOWN.
NONE OF THOSE COME DOWNTOWN WHEN THE SUN DROPS.
YOU NEED TO GIVE 'EM A REASON TO BE HERE.
YOU NEED TO GIVE THEM A REASON, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WILL ATTRACT THE BUSINESSES ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR.
IN ADDITION, IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S CURRENT POPULATION IS NOT BIG ENOUGH IN THE DEMOGRAPHICS, DON'T SUPPORT.
SO ANY STRATEGY, I THINK NEEDS A MIX OF STRATEGIES.
JOHN DIDN'T, I WAS JUST, WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, UH, I KNOW YOU HAD, UM, NOTICED THAT WE STARTED TALKING, THAT YOU HAD, UH, NAMED A COUPLE OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE HERE NOW THAT, THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, BUYING OR WHATEVER.
HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH A BUSINESS THAT, UM, IS RESISTANT TO, UM, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE IN THE CORE OF WHAT YOU NEED.
HOW, HOW DO YOU, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE HAD THAT ISSUE COUNTLESS TIME.
HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT? WELL, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS, IT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT IN SOME CASES, BEING ABLE TO, UM, SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY BUYING, IT GETS THE INTEREST OF THE SELLER.
EVEN IF IT'S, I, I TELL YOU EXPERIENCE RIGHT NOW, ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT I HAVE QUEUED UP ON, ON, UH, UH, ON MY LAPTOP IS SOMETHING WHERE THE APPRAISED VALUE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE APPRAISERS COME IN AND YOU HAVE THE APPRAISED VALUE.
UM, AND IT WAS PART OF OUR REDEVELOPER AGREEMENT.
WE HAD TO FOLLOW THE, THE, THE LETTER OF THE AGREEMENT.
AND WE HAD APPRAISERS COME IN ON THIS FIRST PHASE THAT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU.
AND THE PROPERTY WAS APPRA EVERYTHING.
FOUR DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, FOUR DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS WAS APPRAISED AT 9,000,008.
AND WE ENDED UP PAYING 13,000,001.
SO IT DIDN'T BECOME A POLITICAL ISSUE.
IT DIDN'T PUT THE MAYOR IN A HOTSPOT, DIDN'T PUT THE COUNCIL IN
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A HOTSPOT.IT DIDN'T BECOME A POLITICAL HOT POTATO.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA TAKE US A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME ON THE OTHER SIDE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE ECONOMICS WORK.
BUT, UM, SO, SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
UM, IS IT, WE NOW, WE JUST BOUGHT THE, THE, THE LARGEST PIECE OF THE ENTIRE, THIS IS 40 ACRES ON A MA, 150,000 CARS A DAY ON THIS HIGHWAY.
AND ONE OF THE MAJOR EXITS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEW JERSEY TURNPIKE, RIGHT IN THE HEART OF IT, UM, UH, HALF A MILE FROM MARKS UNIVERSITY, HALF A MILE FROM JOHNSON AND JOHNSON PHARMACEUTICALS.
AND, UH, WE JUST HAD TO PAY ON THE SECOND PIECE, THREE AND A HALF MILLION MORE THAN THE APPRAISED VALUE BECAUSE THERE, THERE'S NO STOPPING.
AND SO WE'LL BE ON A 40 ACRE SITE, WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE OVERPAID BY 10 MILLION IN, IN EACH CASE IT WORKED.
DO YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO MAY FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS MY PROPERTY.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO TOUCH IT FOR NO PARTICULAR REASON.
JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T LIKE YOU, THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE THEIR WHATEVER.
THERE'S ALL KINDS OF MENTALITIES OUT THERE.
AND I THINK THE, THE, THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO IS WHAT I JUST SAID, IS WE'RE NOT AFRAID TO CHASE IT A LITTLE BIT.
AND WE, WE, WE SHOULD BE SUCCESSFUL.
EXCEPT IF WE RUN INTO THAT ONE PERSON WHERE, AND YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT STATES HAVE DIFFERENT, THEY HAVE, UH, REDEVELOPMENT, UH, ORDINANCES IN THE STATE WHERE IF YOU, IF YOU NAME IT AN AREA IN NEED OF REDEVELOPMENT, YOU, YOU CAN CONDEMN THEIR PROPERTY FOR THE GREATER GOOD.
WE'VE NEVER REALLY, WE DON'T DO THAT.
AND IN SOUTH CAROLINA, THAT SURE SEC ISN'T HAPPENING, BUT YOU, YOU, YOU, WE HAVE TO DO OUR BEST AND BE WILLING TO, TO GO A LITTLE DEEPER TO GET IT.
BUT, BUT YOU CAN GUARANTEE BEFORE THIS, BEFORE THIS IS ALL OVER, WE'RE GONNA RUN INTO EXACTLY THAT SITUATION YOU'RE DESCRIBING.
SO I, I ALREADY, I HAVE, I HAVE ONE IN PARTICULAR TOO.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, I GOT ONE IN PARTICULAR.
I HOPE NO ONE ELSE HAS, HAS ANOTHER ONE.
BUT, UM, SO, UH, MAYBE IF, IF I COULD, LET ME JUST, UH, TAKE TWO MORE MINUTES OF YOUR TIME, THROW UP A COUPLE OF THINGS, AND THEN I, I'VE REALLY GIVEN YOU EVERYTHING FROM THE HEART, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TAKEN THE LAST, THE BETTER PART OF THE LAST SIX MONTHS TO COME UP WITH IN THAT.
AND THAT YOUR STAFF HERE HAS REALLY DONE EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO, TO, TO GET US HERE.
LET ME, UH, CAN I ASK A QUESTION, MR. MAYOR? SURE.
UH, ONE, ONE THING, WE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AND STUFF AND UH, IT'S PROBABLY GOOD FOR THE COUNCIL HERE FOR ME TOO.
UM, THE, THE MODELS THAT YOU SHOW WITH THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF IT, WHAT BUSINESSES WOULD BE RESTRICTED FROM THAT TAKING COULD HAPPEN LIKE THAT.
THE PHARMACIES PROBABLY COULDN'T HAPPEN LIKE THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE OUTTA THE SPACE THAT RE UH, CORRECT BANKING OR NOT.
BUT DON'T FORGET, IN A LOT OF OUR MIXED USE, UH, UH, PROJECTS, THEY'LL TAKE AN END CAP.
SO A PHARMACY, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'LL TAKE AN END CAP 'CAUSE THEY CAN HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH, JUST CAN'T HAVE RESIDENCE OVER TOP OF THEM AT THAT POINT.
WELL, BUT, BUT, BUT IN SOME OF THE MORE URBAN PROJECTS THEY DO.
BUT IT REQUIRES A SPECIAL SEPARATION, A SPECIAL CONSTRUCTION.
YOU NEED TO HAVE STEEL AND CONCRETE SEPARATING THE TOP OF IT.
SO FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING, TYPICALLY PHARMACIES DON'T DO IT.
THEY WANT TO HAVE, THEY WANT TO BE A FREESTANDING BUILDING, BUT BOTH PHARMACIES AND BANKS WILL TAKE AN END CAP THE VERY END OF THE BUILDING IF THEY COULD GET A DRIVE THROUGH THERE AND, AND WE FIGURE OUT THE REST.
BUT THE, THE CONSTRUCTION TYPE BE BECAUSE OF THE SECURITY ISSUES.
UH, WE HAVE OFFICES ABOVE A BANK IN ONE OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS, UH, IN, UM, IN MARYLAND.
AND WE JUST HAD TO BUILD IT TO THE BANK'S REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT SPECS.
BUT THERE'S OFFICES ABOVE ONE RESIDENCE ABOVE ANOTHER.
BUT WE, WE CERTAINLY COULDN'T DO ANYTHING WHERE YOU COULD DRILL DOWN INTO THE VAULT AND THAT YOU CAN'T DO ANY KIND OF BUSINESSES, THOUGH THAT'S KIND OF RESTRICTED IN THAT TYPE OF SET.
UM, IT, IT, IT WOULD ONLY BE A BUSINESS WHOSE, UM, WHO, WHOSE PERSONAL DESIRE IS NOT TO HAVE ANYONE ABOVE THEM.
THERE'S CERTAINLY NOTHING BY LAW, EVEN AS TO BANKING AND PHARMACIES, THERE'S NOTHING BY LAW, AS LONG AS YOU SATISFY THEIR, THEIR SAFETY CONCERNS IN ANYTHING THAT'S GOVERNED.
EVEN GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, WE HAVE RESIDENTS ABOVE, UH, GROUND FLOOR SPACES THAT GOVERNMENTS HAVE TAKEN, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND THEY HAVE SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS.
BUT, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING WHERE IT'S, IT'S ILLEGAL.
UH, JUST SOMETHING THAT'S A PREFERENCE IS THE BEST, UH, BEST GUIDANCE.
UM, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN HOOK UP AND I I CAN DO THIS.
WHY, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE YOUR TIME.
I'LL JUST KIND OF GO INTO THE AGREEMENT REAL QUICK.
SO SOME OF THE MAJOR PROVISIONS, SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE.
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ALRIGHT.SO I SENT YOU A DRAFT AND I KNOW WE HAD A COUPLE FORMATTING ERRORS AND I THINK, I THINK WE SKIPPED FROM SECTION FIVE TO SECTION EIGHT OR SOMETHING.
SO I'M LIKE, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED TO SIX, SEVEN, TO EIGHT.
SO, AND I THINK WHAT, WHAT I, UM, STEVE, YOU DIDN'T HEAR MY SPIEL AT THE BEGINNING, BUT THE LAWS OBVIOUSLY FROM SOUTH CAROLINA ARE DIFFERENT THAN NEW JERSEY.
YOU KNOW, SCOPE OF THE PROJECT WAS DIFFERENT.
THE, THE LAWS THAT WERE USED, UM, TO ADOPT AGREEMENT REDEVELOP PROPERTY, THEY HAD, I I THINK WARREN, YOU HAD A TIFF.
HE HAD, WE WERE SURPRISED HOW MUCH, AGAIN, I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T EVEN BE TELLING HIM THIS, BUT HOW MUCH WARREN PAID THE CITY FOR, I GUESS BASICALLY TO BE PART OF THIS AGREEMENT.
I MEAN, THEY, HE, HE PAID THE CITY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
SO, BUT I GUESS OUR GOAL WAS, AS WE KNOW, IS WE'VE GOT PROPERTY, WE HAVE A GOAL, WE WANT A PARTNERSHIP, AND WE'RE NOT DEVELOPERS, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE WE'RE BRINGING THE LAND TO THE PARTY AND A JOINT VISION, A JOINT DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO BASICALLY WE, WE TRIED TO SLIM THIS DOWN FROM, YOU KNOW, THAT MULTI, MULTI PAGES TO BASICALLY HERE'S TOP LEVEL STUFF.
WHAT IS HE DOING, WHAT IS THE CITY DOING, AND WHAT'S THE END RESULT? SO I MEAN, BASICALLY WE STARTED OUT AND WE SAID WE THINK IT'S ABOUT 78, 79 ACRES AND WHO KNOWS WHAT IT MAY END UP TO BE.
UM, AND WE'VE ALSO, WE'VE GOT A GENERAL, AS THEY SAY, A MASTERING PLAN, UH, USE PLAN.
WE'RE AGREEING, THESE ARE THE TYPE OF USES, THIS IS WHERE WE THINK THEY SHOULD GO.
THIS IS WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO WE'RE GONNA AGREE THAT, AND I THINK WHAT IT'S IMPORTANT IS WE WANNA INCORPORATE, AS WARREN TALKED ABOUT THE CIVIC FUNCTIONS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.
AND WE'RE PROPOSING THE VETERANS PARK, THE, UM, THE OLD, OLD CITY HALL, NEW CITY HALL, WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA CALL THAT.
ALL THE, UM, ALL THE CONNECTING PATHWAYS, ALL THE THINGS THAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT, THE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, THE PICNIC TABLES, LANDSCAPING, WE WANT THAT ALL INCORPORATED TO A PLAN WE ALL AGREED TO.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
UM, WE AGREE THAT THE FIRST PHASE IS THAT, UM, THAT 12 ACRES THAT HE POINTED OUT, WHICH INCLUDES OUR SIX ACRES.
SO IN THAT 12 ACRES IS THE SIX ACRES THAT WE OWN.
AND THEN BASICALLY WHAT WE SAID IS, LOOK, WE WE'RE BRINGING SIX ACRES TO THE TABLE.
WE AIN'T BUYING ANY MORE PROPERTY.
SO THE CITY, UNLESS THE COUNCIL DIS UH, YOU KNOW, AGREES, THE CITY'S NOT SPENDING ANY MORE MONEY TO BUY PROPERTY UNLESS WE HAVE TO.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR CONTRIBUTION.
AND ALL THE OLD NEGOTIATION FINANCING DEALING WITH THE BUYERS IS THAT'S HIS PROBLEM.
I MEAN, WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, NOT THE CITY'S.
UM, AND THEN HE OBVIOUSLY HE'S, HE'S REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH ALL ORDINANCES, ALL OF OUR CODES, ALL OF OUR DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
AND HE IS REQUIRED TO PAY ALL FEES.
SO WE'RE NOT WAIVING FEES LIKE IN NEW JERSEY AND OTHER PLACES.
HE GOT TAX EXEMPT, UH, HE PROBABLY NEGOTIATED, I'M NOT PAYING CERTAIN FEES.
WE SAID, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT PAYING US, UH, A FEES, YOU'RE NOT PAYING US, YOU KNOW, PROFITS AND SOME OTHER THING AS A RESULT OF DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE GONNA PAY ALL OF OUR FEES LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
UM, AND THEN WE SAID, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA WORK TOGETHER.
BUT THE COST TO DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE COST TO GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS, THE COST TO DO THE DESIGN, YOU KNOW, THE COST TO CONSTRUCT AND FINANCE, THAT'S HIS, THAT'S HIS BAILOR.
NONE OF US, WE AGREE TO THE PLAN, WE AGREE TO THE EVERYTHING, BUT THAT'S HIS RESPONSIBILITY.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE, AND WARREN'S NOSE THIS 'CAUSE WE BEAT HIM OVER THE HEAD MULTIPLE TIMES, IS IT NEEDS TO FOLLOW A WHITE HARDY, BULLY MASTER WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD MASTER PLAN AS WELL AS OUR, OUR KIND OF THE GOAL, THE KIND COUNCIL'S GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, OUR MCDO AND WHAT WE WANT OUR COMMUNITY TO BE.
WE'VE GOT A VISION, HERE'S THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND DOC, GOSH DARN IT, YOU'RE GONNA INCORPORATE ALL YOUR DESIGN AND REDEVELOPMENT SLASH DEVELOPMENT REVITALIZATION THAT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLANT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE TOP LEVEL.
UM, GOALS AND I MEAN THE TOP LEVEL AGREEMENT.
UM, ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
WARREN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, HE'S AGREED BASICALLY TO THE AGREEMENT THAT I FORWARDED ON MONDAY WITH SOME MINOR CHANGES.
SO, AND HE'S INDICATED HE'S WILLING TO SIGN THAT AGREEMENT.
OBVIOUSLY THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS IMPLEMENTING AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, A LOT OF THINGS TO WORK OUT.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE HIGH LEVEL AGREEMENT.
AND HE'S MAKING THE COMMITMENT TO THE CITY AND WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING A COMMITMENT TO, TO HIM TO, TO PARTNER ON THIS REDEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
I WOULD SUGGEST, OBVIOUSLY IF THE COUNCIL'S, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF THE COUNCIL'S INTERESTED AND HOPEFULLY MOVING FORWARD SOMETIME IN NOVEMBER, MAYBE NOVEMBER 17,
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YOU CAN FORMALIZE THAT AGREEMENT AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY MOBILIZE THE RESOURCES TO MOVE FORWARD.ANY QUESTIONS? I KNOW THAT'S A HIGH LEVEL, UH, ON THE
ONE SIMPLE QUESTION AS WE GET DOWN THE ROAD WITH BRANDON AND HER GROUP, THE INSPECTORS AND ALL THE PEOPLE IT TAKES TO HELP THIS PROJECT ALONG.
DO WE HAVE THE CAPACITY? I SUSPECT WE MAY HAVE TO ADD SOME MORE CAPACITY.
THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY A GOOD POINT.
SO THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH SRC, THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.
UM, WHAT BO WOULD BE A GOOD POINT IS, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT HAVE TO HIRE SOME PEOPLE FOR LIKE THE PROFE THE ENGINEERS AND THE EXACTLY C YOU KNOW, THE CNA THAT PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY CAN DO THE CONSTRUCTION UNLESS WE GET A PUBLIC WORK INSTRUCTOR THAT HAS A PE THAT YOU KNOW, HAS THAT CAPABILITY.
BUT THAT WOULD ALL BE THE COST THAT WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY SHARE WITH, WITH, WITH WARREN.
UH, MICHAEL, MAY I ADD SOMETHING, UH, THAT, THAT MAY UH, HELP IMPART TO, TO, UH, TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT CONCERN? WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED AND AGREED TO HIRE A HYPER LOCAL GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
WE ARE NOT GONNA SELF PERFORM HERE 'CAUSE WE THINK THAT SERVES THE PROJECT BETTER.
SO, UM, WE ARE GONNA WORK WITH PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND HARDY V WORK IN HARDY V AND, UH, ARE VERY, UM, ADEPT AT WORKING THROUGH THE INSPECTION PROCESS SO THAT ALL OF THAT STAYS LIKE AT, AT, AT A MINIMUM, VERY, VERY MINIMUM HEARTBURN TO, TO DO THAT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY COMMITTED FOR ALL OF IT.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING I JUST WANT, AND THEN HE TOUCHED ON, UH, SO HE, WARREN HAS GOT THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK PLANS, HE'S GOT THE LATEST KIND OF RENDERINGS AND THE COUNCIL'S THOUGHTS ABOUT THE OLD CITY HALL? UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE, I MEAN IT COULD BE A WIN-WIN SITUATION, ECONOMIES OF SCALE, YOU KNOW, THAT HE COULD BE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS THOSE POTENTIAL BUILDINGS THAT THE CITY, YOU KNOW, COULD SAVE SUBSTANTIALLY.
ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, PARTNERING ON THE, THE STORM WATER ISSUES, THE WATER AND SEWER ISSUES, THE SIDEWALKS, LANDSCAPING AND, AND THE FAC PHYSICAL CONSTRUCTION.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S FOR YOU GUYS TO WORRY ABOUT DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THERE COULD BE SUBSTANTIAL SAVINGS TO THE CITY.
AND YOU KNOW, WE TALKED PROBABLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 14 TO $15 MILLION TO DO BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS.
SO THERE COULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL SAVINGS IF, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CAN ARM WRESTLE WARREN.
SO I THINK SOME, I THINK SOMETHING THE COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER, THE POTENTIAL SYNERGIES THERE REALLY, UH, SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED AND MORE WOULD BE THAT WOULD WORK A LOT BETTER IN MY VIEW.
ANY, UH, MIKE, OBVIOUSLY THE NATURAL GAS PLAN THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR MANY YEARS, WHERE, UM, IN WHAT WE'VE DETERMINED IS PHASE ONE.
IS THAT WHEN, WHEN WILL THAT BE? THEY, THEY'VE GOT ALL THE PERMITS NOW.
WE, THEY TOLD US WHAT NEIL A WEEK AGO OR SO THEY'RE READY TO GO.
SO IT'LL GO DOWN TO PHASE ONE.
COME OUT RIGHT, RIGHT THROUGH HERE ON THIS STREET.
THAT'S, THAT'S MARTIN HERE, BUT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S CALLED, WHAT'S IT CALLED NOW? IT'S BOYD STREET.
SO IT'S, IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO BOYD STREET.
SO ON OUR SIDE OF THE, THE, ANYWAY, SO WE WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO CROSS 2 78.
SO, SO, UH, SO THAT MEANS SOUTH OF BOYD, WE STILL HAVE TO EXTEND THAT THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
SO AT, AT THIS INITIAL PHASE TWO EXIT FIVE STILL WOULD NEED TO BE DONE, RIGHT? YEP.
AND, AND WE'VE TOLD 'EM THAT HARRY, WE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN THAT, REMEMBER WE KIND OF COMBINED TWO PHASES.
WE WERE TRYING TO GO FROM WHERE IT WAS TO THE CORNER AND THEY COULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE THERE'S ALL KINDS OF CONTAMINATION AND UTILITIES, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE LAUNDROMAT IS AND ALL.
SO THEY'RE GONNA KIND OF, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER KIND OF TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER AWAY ABOUT, BUT THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT AND THEY'RE READY TO GO.
SO, AND OUR GENERAL PLAN IS TO MEET THOSE TWO LINES SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.
SO THEY'LL BRING THIS AROUND TO BOYD STREET, BUT THEY'RE STILL COMING FROM THE SOUTHBOUND AS WELL COMING NORTHWARD.
THAT'S THEIR BIGGER TRUNK LINE.
BUT THE, BUT THE PHASE TWO, WHICH WOULD GO BOYD TO UH, EXIT FIVE IS PART OF WHAT WARRANTS PLAY FIT RIGHT.
IN WITH WHAT HE WOULD WANT DO.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND OBVIOUSLY THIS ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN TOMORROW, BUT WE WANT TO COUPLE WEEKS EXCUSE WE ARE GOING, YEAH, WE'RE GOING NEED PHASE TWO OF, OF, UH, DOMINION TO, TO GET ABSOLUTELY.
WE PASS THAT COST DOWN WARRANT.
WELL ABSOLUTELY, BECAUSE THEY GOT, THEY'LL HAVE A LOT MORE TIE-INS THAN THEY DO NOW.
A LOT OF INCENTIVES WITH THIS PLAN.
THERE'LL BE A LOT, LOT MORE TIE-INS AND A LOT MORE RATE PAYERS.
AND UH, SO YOU'RE RIGHT, JOHN DOESN'T ME, THE INITIAL MILESTONE WITH 'EM WAS TO GET IT TO OUR PROPERTY.
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'CAUSE THIS WAS, AND WE WAS IN THAT TALKS BEFORE ALL THIS CAME ABOUT.SO THAT'S, THAT WAS THE PLAN WAS GET IT TO OUR SIX ACRES THAT WE OWNED.
BUT EXTENDING FROM THAT SIX ACRES, EVEN DOWN TO THE END OF WHERE THESE SOUTHERN PART OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH.
I MEAN THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EXTENSION THERE.
SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO BEAT THAT PRETTY QUICK.
THE, THE ONLY ISSUE I THINK IS JUST CROSSING OVER MAIN STREET WITH EVERYTHING.
IF YOU GOT A PROFILE, YOU TOOK A LOOK AT A PROFILE OF WHAT'S UNDER THE STREET THERE.
'CAUSE WE LOOKED AT IT, WE HAD OUR ENGINEER LOOK AT IT.
YOU HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT UTILITIES, SO MANY THINGS RUNNING UNDER THERE THAT SLIPPING A GAS LINE IN.
THERE'S REALLY WELL, AND WHAT HAD TO HAPPEN THOUGH, AND IS THAT WE HAD CONTAMINATION THAT WAS FOUND BY THEIR, THEIR CONTRACTOR PEOPLE, UH, RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER OF MAIN STREET IN THE
SO THEY, IT WAS CONTAMINATION, IT WAS SOIL CONTAMINATION THAT WOULD, THEY WOULD NOT, WHERE WAS IT? RICK'S PARTY RIGHT AROUND RICK AREA IN THERE, THAT FOUR CORNER AREAS CAN CONTAINED CONTAMINATION THAT THEY SAID WOULD HAVE TO BE LATER ON DEALT WITH.
BUT THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY TOOK, THEY, THEY DIVERTED THEIR PATH AND WENT DOWN THE, THE STREET OVER AND COMING, COMING THAT WAY.
SO GAS STATIONS AND, AND DRY CLEANING SURFACE.
SO THEY DRY CLEANING, DRY CLEANING'S BAD.
YOU GOT MORE CLEAN UP THE GAS STATION THERE.
BUT THAT WOULD BE, IT WAS A GAS STATION FOR LONGER FOR YEARS.
BUT WHAT THAT MIGHT BE IF WE'RE TAKING THAT ROUTE WITH THE GAS LINE, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT RELOCATING CAROLINA AND QUITE IN PLACES LIKE THAT TO AN UPGRADED BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE STREET AS OPPOSED TO WHERE THEY ARE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET.
THAT WOULD BE INCENTIVE, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WE HAVE GAS OVER HERE, YOU DON'T HAVE GAS OVER THERE.
AND YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD RELOCATE THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT DRY CLEANERS IS MORE, UH, THAT'S MORE A THIRD PARTY INDUSTRIAL AS OPPOSED TO A RETAIL.
NO, NO LONGER RETAIL LIKE IT USED TO BE.
WELL THEY BRING STUFF AND CLEAN IT HERE, BUT THAT'S A BUSINESS ANY PLACE THAT'S A BUSINESS WE LOVE.
YOU, YOU REALLY WANT TO GET IN THERE AND SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, MATT SHOOK HIS HEAD BEFORE WHEN IT CAME TO, UH, THINKING ABOUT THE CONTAMINATION THAT, UH, DRY CLEANERS HAVE WE'RE BUYING AS PART OF THIS 40 ACRE REDEVELOPMENT, UH, AN OLD SHOPPING CENTER THAT THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR, FOR DECADES.
AND, BUT 40 YEARS AGO THERE WAS A DRY CLEANER IN THERE AND THEY DO EVEN WORSE THINGS BACK THEN THAN THEY DO NOW.
AND THE SELLER IS SO, AND THE SELLER'S A SOPHISTICATED, YOU KNOW, REAL ESTATE COMPANY, THEY ACT, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWING US TO HIRE A LICENSED ENVIRONMENTAL PROFESSIONAL BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING OUT THERE.
SO WE HAVE TO LIKE, UNDER THE COVER OF DARKNESS, GO IN THERE, DO OUR OWN TESTING, AND WE'RE PART OF THE AGREEMENT IS THAT WE DON'T SAY ANYTHING.
OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT TO CLEAN IT UP, BUT PEOPLE FOR, FOR DRY CLEANING BECAUSE OF THE KIND OF STUFF THAT IS, AND ON THE SAME SITE, THERE'S LIKE AN OLD GULF STATION.
I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER IF YOU, THE OLD GULF GAS STATION FRANCHISES.
AND UM, WHEN, WHEN A GAS TANK LEAKS, IT'S CALLED TOLUENE, THAT'S THE ACTIVE, UH, CONTAMINANT.
THERE'S LIKE A PLUME, A ENE PLUME UNDER THE GROUND THAT'S LIKE, THAT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, FRIED EGGS AND BACON.
WE CLEAN THAT UP, YOU TAKE THE DIRT OUT, IT'S NO BIG DEAL.
ONCE IT'S DONE MIGRATING, IT DOESN'T GO ANY FURTHER.
IT DOESN'T SINK ANY DEEPER INTO THE GROUND, BUT WHATEVER THE, THE DRY CLEANING SOLVENTS ARE, OH MY LORD.
IT'S LIKE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LITERALLY POISON.
SO ANYWAY, THE QUICKER WE CAN GET IN THERE AND UH, AND, AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
MAYBE, UH, MAYBE, UH, MAYBE HARDY BILL COULD BE INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING US, UH, TALK TO THOSE, THOSE FINE PEOPLE.
SO BEFORE, YEAH, I'M JUST START TELL, BUT SO BEFORE, UH, WARREN TAKES OVER, MATT HAD SOME GOOD NEWS ABOUT THE MASONIC LODGE TOO, WHICH AND BOYD STREET THAT THE
UM, DEFINITELY IT'S GREAT FOR OUR PLAN.
Y'ALL REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE MUNICIPAL HUB AND YOU, WE HAD ALL OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS AND YOU KNOW, THAT MONO MASONIC LODGE, UH, PROPERTY WAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF INTEGRAL, RIGHT? IMPORTANT THERE.
BUT WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANNA BE HERE.
WELL, HURRICANE HELENE HELPED US, UH, I DON'T WANNA SAY HELPED US, BUT IT KIND OF MAYBE CHANGED THEIR VIEW, THEIR POINT OF VIEW.
UM, THEY GOT SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE WITH THE TREE FALLING ON THEIR PROPERTY, ON THEIR BUILDING.
AND THEY ALSO HAVE A LODGE IN PROPERTY IN RIDGELAND.
AND THEY REACHED OUT TO ME, I GUESS KATIE TALKED TO 'EM, I GUESS ABOUT THE TREE, I THINK ESSENTIALLY IS WHAT STARTED IT AND REACHED OUT TO ME.
AND THEY MAY BE INTERESTED AND I ACTUALLY, I THINK THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN UNLOADING THE PROPERTY NOW.
'CAUSE THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE THERE.
SO THEN IF, IF THAT'S CAN BE ACQUIRED, ANYONE IN THAT AREA BETWEEN SAY THE, THE VETERANS PARK MUNICIPAL HUB AND, AND, AND THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA IS THAT ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME BACK DASHER
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LANE KIND OF BEHIND OUR INTERN HOUSE, WHICH AGAIN, IS, IS YEAH, IF WE, IF WE, YOU KNOW, IS A RENTAL PROPERTY, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD CERTAIN BE ACQUIRED, BUT, UM, BUT YEAH, BUT IT JUST KIND OF HELPS TIE IT ALL TOGETHER.IS THERE ALREADY, UM, HISTORICAL VALUE TO THAT BUILDING? THE MASONIC BUILDING? THAT'S A LOADED QUESTION BECAUSE IT DEPENDS WHO YOU ASK.
I MEAN, CERTAINLY LOCALLY SURE IT'S GONNA HAVE SOME INTEREST.
I WOULD SAY AT FIRST GLANCE, WITHOUT DOING ANY RESEARCH THAT FROM A HISTORICAL, OR EXCUSE ME, FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE, THAT'S WHAT I'M, I WOULD SAY NO, I WOULD SAY NO.
UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE, AND I DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF EXPERIENCE WITH, WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION, I WOULD SAY NO, IT'S NOT GONNA MEET ANY CRITERIA FOR, YOU KNOW, ANY SORT OF NATIONAL LISTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS ARE REALLY MORE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL IF YOU KNOW.
BUT THAT WOULD BE MY, IT'S NOT ON THE MAIN DRAG, SO IT'S NOT LIKE NO, SIR.
THE OLD CITY HALL THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS A SIGNIFICANT LOCATION.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T EVEN SEE IT WHEN YOU'RE HOMEBOY.
YOU DON'T, AND, AND IT'S NOW IT'S BEEN DAMAGED TOO.
SO THANK YOU GRAND MASTER
HELP WITH THOSE GUYS OVER THE YEARS.
YOU WANNA WAIT A MINUTE, WARREN, UNTIL TO GET BACK? YEP, I CAN DO THAT.
THEN I'M GONNA TRY AND GET OUTTA YOUR HAIR QUICKLY AS YOU PROBABLY IN ABOUT, UH, 15 MINUTES.
SO YOU STAND, BREAK SOME BREAD WITH US.
YOU, YOU'VE SEEN ME, YOU BEFORE I THE ENTIRE SPEND THE ENTIRE HALF HOUR TALKING THIS HERE.
SO AFTER THE NEXT 10 OR 15 MINUTES, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PARTAKE.
MIKE, HAVE WE HEARD ANYTHING MORE FROM CITADEL ON, UH, THEIR DEVELOPMENT ON ORIGIN? HAVE WE, THEY THEY HAD TOLD ME THAT WHEN THEY FINISHED THEIR ONE 70 PROJECT, THEN THEY WOULD BE LOOKING TO BEGIN THAT.
AND I KNOW THEY'RE COMING CLOSE TO FINISHING THE ONE 70 PROJECT.
YEAH, THEY WOULD THEY HAVE TO RESTART THE SRC PROCESS BECAUSE THEY CHANGED THE, UM, MASTER PLAN.
'CAUSE EVERYBODY MOVED OUT OF THERE AND THEY HAVEN'T STARTED THAT YET.
I MEAN, I WOULD IMAGINE THEY CAN GET THROUGH A LITTLE QUICKER THAN A PROJECT THAT HADN'T STARTED BECAUSE THEY, THEIR STATE PERMITS WERE ALREADY UNDERWAY WITH THE ORIGINAL.
AND I, I DON'T THINK THE, UM, AREA DISTURBANCE IS GOING TO CHANGE THAT MUCH.
I KNOW THEY SAID THIS ONE, WHAT DID THEY WANT TO PUT IN? UH, AUTOMOBILE? CONDOMINIUM? YES.
THIS WHAT I NEED A $300,000 GARAGE FOR MY $10,000 CAR.
YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD GAS, THE GAS STATIONS AND THESE DRY CLEANERS IN THE AREA, I MEAN, DOES OUR MISS THOUGH, HAVE THEM FOLLOW CERTAIN EPA STANDARDS TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW THE STATE DOES, BUT THEY, THOSE ARE NEWER LAWS.
THEY WEREN'T NEWER TECHNOLOGIES.
CAN WE NOT ENFORCE THAT? NOW WE DON'T ENFORCE NEWER TECHNOLOGY THOUGH.
SO THE NEWER GAS STATIONS AREN'T GOING TO HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS AS SOME OLDER, NEWER GAS STATIONS.
YEAH, THERE'S QUITE A, THE MONITORING IS A LOT MORE.
THE DRY CLEANER IS THE SAME WAY THOUGH.
ARE DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THAT BECAUSE THIS ONE PRETTY WELL COMPLIED.
WE HAVE OTHER AREAS THAT, THAT THE DRY CLEANERS COULD MOVE AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEGOTIATE WITH THEM TO MOVE.
DO WE HAVE PROPERTY OR SOMETHING ELSE SOMEWHERE ELSE THEY CAN MOVE TO? WE TAKE THEM OFF OF THAT CORNER, OUR CORNER, MY MARGARITAVILLE RIGHT THERE ON UH, TWO 17 RIGHT THERE.
UM, IF I MAY, BECAUSE I, YOU GUYS STILL HAVE WORK TO DO AND I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE WAY.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THE, UH, PROJECTS.
THIS IS PART OF A 40 ACRE REDEVELOPMENT, UM, ON THAT 150,000 CAR A DAY HIGHWAY DOWN THE ROAD FROM JOHNSON AND JOHNSON PHARMACEUTICALS IN THE STATE UNIVERSITY.
AND NOW THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT LOOK AND THIS IS A RENDERING, BUT THE BUILDING'S COMING OUTTA THE GROUND.
I'M GONNA ACTUALLY SHOW YOU A LIVE CAMERA SHOT, A DRONE SHOT.
AND UM, WHAT THIS IS IS ONE LEVEL OF SUBTERRANEAN PARKING UNDERGROUND, A FULL PARKING DECK, STRUCTURED PARKING, ANOTHER ONE AT GRADE.
AND THE ENTIRE BUILDING WRAPS AROUND THE PARKING SO YOU DON'T SEE IT.
IT PARKS A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE RESIDENTIAL
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UNITS TO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT.AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT BUILDING.
HERE'S OUR EMPHASIS OFF THE HIGHWAY.
THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE BRAND NAMES THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE.
VERMELLA IS A, IS A, A, A DEVELOPMENT NAME.
WE HAVE WATER FEATURES, BUT I WANT YOU TO TAKE NOTE OF THAT AREA WHERE MY CURSOR IS.
THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF DEVELOPERS WOULD EVER THINK ABOUT.
LOOK AT THAT MASSIVE AREA OFF THE BUILDING.
WE'RE GONNA ATTEMPT TO DO THE SAME THING.
OBVIOUSLY IT'LL LOOK DIFFERENT HERE IN HARVILLE WHERE ALL OF THAT BECOMES PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATED SPACE AND, AND, AND THE RETAIL AND, AND RESTAURANTS AND EVERYTHING SPILL OUT INTO THAT AREA.
THAT'S THE COURTYARD WE CREATED.
IF YOU GO BACK TO OUR, UM, OUR, OUR PLAN, UM, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CLOSEUP FOR IT.
AND, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE PRETTY GOOD RENDERINGS.
UM, BUT THIS IS WHAT THE BUILDING ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO STORY RESTAURANTS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT AND BAR.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THOSE TREES IN THE BACKGROUND THERE.
THAT'S ACTUALLY A ROOFTOP ACTIVATED AREA.
AND THIS BUILDING AND, AND THAT PART OF THE BUILDING'S ONLY THREE STORIES.
THE REST OF IT IS, IS, IS FIVE.
SO YOU REALLY GET A LOOK FOR WHAT THIS WANTS TO BE LIKE.
THAT'S A GREAT LOOK AT THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, PHYSICALLY WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE.
SO IT'S INTERESTING, NOT THE SAME ARCHITECTURE HERE IN THE MIDDLE WHERE MY CURSOR IS.
YOU SEE THAT WHOLE OPEN SPACE.
AND YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW, IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD DO THAT HERE VIS-A-VIS SOME OF THOSE BALCONIES AND DECKS, YOU REALLY GET A CHANCE TO SEE, UM, TO, TO SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, AND THIS IS INTERESTING, RIGHT? SO HERE'S VEHICULAR TRAFFIC BECAUSE EVERYTHING TO THE, TO THE BOTTOM LEFT THERE IS ALL MEDICAL OFFICES.
AND SO VEHICLES HAVE TO DRIVE UP THERE.
'CAUSE MEDICAL OFFICES HAVE PATIENTS THAT HAVE TO GET OFF RIGHT AT THE FRONT DOOR.
BUT YOU'LL SEE FURTHER DOWN THE PICTURE WHERE WE CREATED AND SOMEONE ASKED THE QUESTION, ARE YOU GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, MINDFUL OF THE PEDESTRIANS HERE? THAT AREA OF VEHICLES CAN'T GET NEAR.
SO THAT'S HOW WE SEPARATE VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
AND THAT'S A REAL LIVE PICTURE OF WHERE THE OVERFLOW PARKING LOT'S GONNA BE WHERE WE NEED TO BE HERE.
UM, THE AT GRADE PARKING, YOU CAN GO IN AROUND THE LEFT SIDE AND THEN AROUND THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS WHERE YOU GO.
SUBTERRANEAN ONLY ACCESSIBLE TO TENANTS.
AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, IN OUR TECHNICAL REVIEW HERE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, WE'RE IT, IT'S EXPENSIVE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WORTH THINKING ABOUT.
IF WE WERE, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, PARKING'S A PREMIUM HERE AND IF WE WERE ABLE TO CREATE THAT UNDER A COUPLE OF THE BUILDINGS, MAYBE THREE BUILDINGS, IT WOULD BE PRETTY INTERESTING.
STRICTLY SUBJECT TO WHERE THE WATER TABLE IS HERE.
IF IT'S HIGH HERE, IF IT'S HIGH IN TOWN, THEN YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE REALLY, REALLY CHALLENGING.
UM, AND YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OKAY SIX INCHES DOWN IN PLACES ANYWAY, IT'S, WELL, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE HAD TO DO IN OTHER AREAS, WE, WE'VE DEVELOPED A, UH, DISTRIBUTION CENTER, UH, NEAR THE PORT OF NEWARK, VERY SIMILAR TO THE PORT OF SAVANNAH.
AND WE HAD TO RAISE THE GRADE 13 FEET BECAUSE OF THE WATER TABLE.
WE BROUGHT IN LIKE 1200 TRUCKS TO FILL.
BUT THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, THE ECONOMICS, YOU HAD TO DO THAT, THAT WAS PART OF THE, PART OF THE PLAN.
SO IT'S THERE, THERE'S NO LIMIT TO WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO.
SO YOU SEE THAT, YOU SEE THAT ROOFTOP SPACE, YOU SEE THE POOL IN THE BACKGROUND, YOU SEE THAT SECOND STORY SPACE TO THE LEFT.
THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD SNAPSHOT OF WHAT THIS WANTS TO LOOK LIKE.
AND EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A, UH, A DOWNTOWN HARDY THING, IT GOES TO SHOW YOU THE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE THE WAY WE IMAGINE THINGS.
THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING THAT'S BEING DONE BY OUR, UH, COUNTERPARTS, BY, BY PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE SAME SCALE DEVELOPMENT WE'RE DOING.
THE ARCHITECTURAL IS IMPORTANT AND IF YOU CAN ENVISION THAT, BUT HAVING A, A, A LOW COUNTRY FLARE, THAT CAN GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE CAN DO.
SO THAT'S NOT, NOT TO PROJECT HERE, BUT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA.
AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WE'RE, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF.
LET ME FLIP TO, AND BY THE WAY, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU SOME, AN IDEA OF WHAT WE DO TO BREAK DOWN A PROJECT FINANCIALLY, BECAUSE I'M OUTTA STATE.
I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING I SHOULD BE SHARING.
SO IF YOU COULD LOOK AT IT AND THEN FORGET IT, I'D BE, I'D BE GREAT.
OKAY, WELL, ALRIGHT, LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN HERE.
EASIER THAN I'D LIKE TO ADMIT.
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WHAT MICHAEL WAS TALKING ABOUT, MICHAEL, THIS IS THE PLAN WHERE YOU SAW THE REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND FROM TIME TO TIME, AS THE MUNICIPALITY WANTS DIFFERENT THINGS, THIS IS JUST A DOCUMENT.I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH IT, BUT THIS IS, WE AMENDED THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AND IT'S PRETTY DEEP.
AND THESE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT INVOLVED ALL THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE MUNICIPALITY, MUCH LIKE HERE AND THE COUNTY.
AND, AND SO WE EFFECTIVELY WENT THROUGH AND, AND AMENDED THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH EVERYTHING, ALL THE STANDARDS AND EVERYTHING WE HAVE.
AND, AND THE REASON I DID IT, LET ME, LET ME HOP OVER TO MY NEXT, UM, UH, TO THIS.
UM, LET ME SEE IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN OPEN THIS.
UM, YEAH, THIS IS LIKE VERY TYPICAL.
WE HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY DEEP, UH, PRETTY DEEP STUFF.
LET'S SEE IF THIS WORKS FOR US.
YEAH, SOMETIMES DEPENDING ON WHAT WE HAVE SUCH SECURITY THINGS THAT IT DOESN'T ALWAYS OPEN, BUT, YEP.
LET ME SEE IF WE CAN GET THROUGH IT.
UM, YEAH, I WAS GONNA ACTUALLY SHOW YOU JUST THE, THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND, AND WHAT OUR PLANS LOOK LIKE AND, AND, AND THE, THE DEPTH OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO JUST FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION, THIS IS JUST FOR A, UH, UH, A, UH, THE FOR SALE PRODUCT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THIS IS WHAT GOES INTO AND BEHIND ALL OF THE PRETTY PICTURES, ALL OF THE DETAIL.
AND THIS IS THE SAME THING WE'RE GONNA DO HERE IN HARDY.
AND, AND IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A JOKE.
THIS IS ALL SERIOUS STUFF AND, AND WHAT WE DO.
AND THAT'S THE KIND OF DETAIL RIGHT DOWN TO THE, RIGHT, DOWN TO THE PLANTING, RIGHT DOWN TO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND ALL OF THAT SMALL PRINT THAT YOU CAN'T READ IS ALL PRETTY SIGNIFICANT STUFF.
SO, UM, YEAH, I'VE, I'VE GOT ACTUALLY ONE OTHER THING THAT'S UH, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
UM, WELL, I, I THINK THIS YOU JUST SAW, I'M TRYING NOT TO BE REPETITIVE.
LET'S SEE IF WE, IF WE CAN GET ONLINE HERE AND, AND THIS IS REAL TIME STUFF AND I FIGURED THAT YOU WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
SO THIS IS AN ACTUAL PICTURE TAKEN TWO DAYS AGO ON THE SITE THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU.
NOW, NOT ONLY IS IT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, THIS IS THE FIRST BUILDING AND THIS IS WHAT THAT UNDERGROUND PARKING DECK LOOKS LIKE.
SO THIS IS OUR SITE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THE, THE SUBTERRANEAN PORTION IS ALREADY BUILT.
THIS IS GONNA BE ANOTHER PARKING DECK, CONCRETE PORT ON TOP OF IT.
AND THEN THE BUILDING WILL RISE ABOVE IT.
THE BUILDING GOES ALL THE WAY OUT, UM, THAT SOUTH AND THOSE BIG, UH, FOOTINGS AND FOUNDATIONS ARE ALREADY OUT THERE.
AND SO YOU SEE THE DEPTH OF IT.
I MEAN, IT'S A FORTUNE TO BUILD THIS KIND OF PRODUCT, BUT THAT'S LITERALLY AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE ARE DOING, WHAT WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION TODAY.
SO ALL OF THIS TECHNOLOGY, ALL THE PROFESSIONALS, ALL THE PEOPLE, AND WE'RE SELF PERFORMING HERE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT IN THE STATE HERE.
WE'RE GONNA HIRE BLUE CHIP GENERAL CONTRACTORS THAT CAN PRODUCE THE SAME WORK.
BUT IT'S REALLY, I I MEAN IT'S REALLY QUITE AMAZING WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT.
I I NEVER TIRE OF LOOKING AT THESE PICTURES BECAUSE UM, UH, WHAT IT'S TAKEN TO TO, TO GET THERE IS REALLY, REALLY QUITE AMAZING.
AND THAT JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN AERIAL VIEW OF WHAT IT IS.
BUT ENOUGH, ENOUGH SAID, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS PRETTY INTERESTING.
AND THIS IS THE LAST, UH, LAST PIECE HERE.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GO TO OUR SITE CAMERAS.
SO, UM, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THURSDAY, OCTOBER 24TH, 1141.
THIS PICTURE'S FROM LOOK AT THE PIPE, LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF STUFF THAT ALL GOES, LOWS GOES UNDERGROUND.
UH, THAT'S A CONCRETE PUMP RIGHT THERE.
SO WE'RE PUMPING CONCRETE ONTO EVEN CHANGE FROM THE PICTURE YOU SAW TWO DAYS AGO.
SO THAT'S AN INDICATION WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT WHY IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO DO THE MUNICIPAL PROJECT AND THE, UM, REDEVELOPMENT TOGETHER, WHICH YOU HAD, UH, HAD, HAD SAID, YEAH, THERE, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE TO DO IT.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT, THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION SITE'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
AND SO, UM, IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD MOVE FORWARD IN UNISON AND, AND MSRA TOLD YOU, WE'LL DO THAT LIKE STRICTLY ON AT COST, WHATEVER IT IS.
BUT, BUT TO DO IT TOGETHER HELPS US AS MUCH AS IT HELPS THE MUNICIPALITY.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AT A LATER DATE.
AND, AND WITH THAT, I, I, I THINK THAT, I MEAN, I COULD SHOW YOU ALL KINDS OF PRETTY PICTURES AND OTHER THINGS, BUT I THINK THAT, UH, FOR RIGHT NOW THAT PROBABLY IS, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A GOOD INDICATION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND REALLY WANTED YOU TO SEE THE, THE KIND OF STUFF WE DO.
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RIGHT NOW, UM, UH, A HALF A DOZEN DIFFERENT SITES IN THE NORTHEAST, THAT SAME KIND OF PRODUCT.THAT LITTLE, THAT LITTLE CONSTRUCTION YOU SAW IS JUST 13 OUT OF THE 40 ACRES.
SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE REST OF THE SITE, IT'S PRETTY BIG AND IT TAKES A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE, FAR SUPERIOR TO ME.
BUT THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WE WORK WITH THAT WORK FOR US.
AND THAT'S REALLY, UH, THE TEAM.
SO YOU, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T FAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU DON'T, UM, YOU DON'T PRODUCE THAT KIND OF WORK PRODUCT WITHOUT BEING, UM, AS SERIOUS AS YOU CAN BE ABOUT WHAT YOU DO.
AND WITH THAT, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND I'M HERE AND UM, I'M GONNA THROW A LITTLE CURVE BALL AT YOU AND MR. MAYOR.
THIS IS, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT AND CERTAINLY TO THE COUNCIL, UH, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN 45 YEARS THAT I EVER HAVE THE, UH, I DON'T KNOW NERVE TO DO THIS, BUT, UM, MY COM, MY COMMITMENT TO HARDY, I, I DON'T WANNA GET TOO EMOTIONAL.
MY COMMITMENT TO HARDY BILL IS, AND IT'S SUBJECT TO YOU APPROVING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I AM GONNA SIGN THE SIGNATURE SHEETS OF THE AGREEMENT WITH THE MUNICIPALITY IN HONOR OF YOUR RETIREMENT AND EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE.
THAT'LL BE HERE IF YOU DECIDE TO ACCEPT THE PROGRAM.
IT CAN GET COUNTERSIGNED AT SOME POINT WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR NEXT, OR WHENEVER IT IS YOU HAVE THE MEETING.
BUT I'M GONNA LEAVE HERE TODAY WITH COUNSEL, AND I'M GONNA EXECUTE WITH YOUR PERMISSION, OUR SIGNATURE ON THIS AGREEMENT.
AND THAT'S TO DO WITH WHAT YOU MAY, BUT THAT'S HOW MUCH I FEEL ABOUT, ABOUT YOU.
I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY, UH, VERY GENEROUS OF YOU, UH, MIKE, UH, FOR COUNSEL'S KNOWLEDGE, WHAT, WHAT DECISIONS DO WE HAVE TO MAKE AND WHAT'S THE TIMETABLE FOR MAKING THOSE DECISIONS? SO I WOULD, AGAIN, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE NOVEMBER 7TH MEETING, YOU, WE HAVE THE STAFF REPORT, THE CONTRACT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WARREN WOULD BE BACK, BUT IF, IF NOT VIRTUAL, DO THE PRESENTATION.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU SIGN A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE SIGNATURE AND PASS A, A RESOLUTION, YEAH.
RESOLUTION, BASICALLY ENTERING INTO THE CONTRACT.
SO THEN, YOU KNOW THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST.
UM, AND WE CAN HAVE ALL THAT PREPARED FOR, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON NOVEMBER 7TH.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE SHOULD DO THEN, UM, FOR COUNCIL IS, UH, WE NEED TO, BEFORE YOU DEPARTURE ON THE 31ST, SET THE AGENDA, WHICH WOULD BE NORMAL.
AND WHATEVER WE DO, WE, UH, GET THAT AGENDA DONE PRIOR TO LEAVING.
I'LL SEND IT TO YOU NEXT WEEK.
GETTING WHATEVER DOCUMENTATION THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO REVIEW PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
SO WE'LL HAVE THAT DONE EARLY NEXT WEEK.
AND, AND AGAIN, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL FAVORABLY CONSIDER IT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH A VERY, HOPEFULLY LONG LASTING PRODUCTIVE PARTNERSHIP.
ANY QUESTIONS, COUNSEL, STAFF? NO, I ATTORNEY.
ANY, ANYTHING ANYBODY NEEDS TO, UH, ADD ON? WELL, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE DREAMED OF SINCE THE FIRST DAY I DROVE DOWN WHITE HOWARD BOULEVARD.
AND, UH, SO I'M CERTAINLY IN, IN FAVOR OF US MOVING FORWARD AGGRESSIVELY, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE TIMETABLE.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS WOULD REQUIRE US DONATING THOSE SIX ACRES, BUT THAT WAS THE WHOLE IDEA OF A LAND ACQUISITION FUND.
UM, AND, UM, SO IF THAT'S PART OF IT, I CERTAINLY SUPPORT IT.
'CAUSE WE CAN GET, GET THIS CENTERED DOWNTOWN.
I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A LEGACY FOR ALL FIVE OF US.
I THINK WE'LL GIVE BLUFFTON A RUN FOR ITS MONEY OR JUST ROLL RIGHT OVER THERE,
WE'RE GONNA ADAPT TO MAKE THEM ND US FOR A CHANGE.
MR. MAYOR, I COULD ADD TO THAT TOO.
SO I, I LOOKED BACK THIS MORNING AT THE DATES JUST TO SEE WHEN WE KIND OF FIRST STARTED THIS.
AND WE DID THE RFP IN AUGUST OF 2022.
AND WE ADDED OUT THERE LIKE OCTOBER 1ST WAS THE DEADLINE.
AND AS MR. SIM SAID, WE DIDN'T GET ANY RESPONSES.
AND WE TALKED TO PEOPLE SINCE THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN FINALLY WE GOT HOOKED UP WITH WARREN.
SO REALLY IN TWO YEARS, WE GOT TO THIS POINT, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR, 18 MONTHS AGO, I MET WITH SOME FOLKS FROM BLUFFTON, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY ANNOUNCED THEY'RE DOING A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TOO THERE, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR, UH, POLICE STATION THERE OFF BUCK WALTER.
'CAUSE I WAS, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO LEARN AND IT TOOK THEM SEVEN YEARS TO MAKE A DEAL.
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SO WE'VE DONE IT IN TWO.THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, TO YOUR CREDIT AND TO THE STAFF'S CREDIT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WITH THIS, WITH THIS WHAT WE MASTER PLAN FOR THE HUB, VETERANS PARK SPLASH PADS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST THINK PEOPLE CAN RIDE THEIR BIKES BEHIND THERE AND GO TO THE SPLASH PADS AND THE VETERAN PARK.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE MEMORIAL PARK AND GETTING PEOPLE TO COME DOWN HERE FOR SERVICES, YOU THINK ABOUT IT.
MEMORIAL DAY NINE 11 VETERANS DAY, THERE ARE THREE MAJOR NATIONAL CELEBRATIONS THAT WE DON'T PARTICIPATE DOWNTOWN.
THEY'RE ALL SEGMENTED IN COMMUNITIES.
MR. MAYOR, MAYOR, ON BEHALF OF COMING FROM, UH, THE LARGEST MILITARY FAMILY, I KNOW, UM, I, I WILL TALK TO YOU PRIVATELY.
WE'D LIKE TO MAKE A DONATION FOR THE PARK, FOR THE VETERANS PARK.
THE, UH, LISTEN, AS LONG AS IT'S SEVEN FIGURES WARRANT
MR. WATERS, I THINK WE BETTER HEAD OUT THE DOOR.
I'M SURE THAT, UH, I'M SURE THAT MY FATHER AND MY UNCLES AND MY TWO GRANDFATHERS MAY BE SPINNING A LITTLE BIT, BUT I'LL CERTAINLY WORK WITH HIM.
WE, WE CAN DO, WE'LL LEAVE THAT TO STAFF WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE THINGS ON, BUT I WANTED TO GET THIS, I WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO MY FAMILY.
UM, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, WHEN WE WERE IN GREENVILLE, WHETHER YOU ATTENDED THIS PARTICULAR SEGMENT, DO YOU RECALL, UH, AND I, I KNOW I SAW YOU IN THE ROOM.
SO DO YOU RECALL THAT PRESENTATION THAT THEY DID ABOUT WHERE THEY WENT AND REVITALIZED BLIGHTED BUILDINGS? YES.
AND DID SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR.
I MEAN, IT WAS PHENOMENAL WHAT THEY DID TO SOME OF THOSE AREAS, UH, IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAW THERE, THAT WAS ALL BLIGHTED.
YOU DIDN'T SEE ALL THE BUILDINGS THAT GOT DEMOLISHED.
I KNOW YOU WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, UH, YOUR PRESENTATION TO ME, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CUTE HERE, IT'S SORT OF GOT THE ART OF THE DEAL AND THE SCIENCE OF THE DEAL COMBINED.
AND THAT'S IMPRESSIVE TO ME THAT THE DETAILS IN TERMS OF THE ENGINEERING AND EVERYTHING, AS WELL AS SORT OF THE MARKETING PART OF IT WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE.
AND I, WELL, I, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS, BUT EVEN WITH ALL THAT, YOU NEED TO GET A LITTLE LUCKY.
AND, UH, I, I'VE ALWAYS RATHER BE A LITTLE LUCKY THAN, RIGHT.
SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TRY LIKE, HECK, THANK YOU THOUGH.
I, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS.
I DON'T WANNA BE GREEDY HERE, BUT TIME.
DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? YES.
CAN WE ROLL TAPE ON THAT 20 MINUTES? LAST ONE? NO, I PROMISE.
SO, LIKE I SAID, I'M BEING GREEDY.
SO HERE'S THE, HERE, HERE, HERE'S THE TYPICAL SEQUENCING OF, OF HOW THIS GOES.
OKAY? AND I WILL NEVER BE EVASIVE WHEN YOU ASK A QUESTION.
YOU ASK ME A QUESTION, I'LL GIVE YOU A STRAIGHT ANSWER.
THERE IS, THERE'S A TWO PART DANCE HERE AT ST.
SO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE MUNICIPALITY, UH, HAS TO EXECUTE THAT EFFECTIVELY SAYS THAT THAT SIGNING WAS CEREMONIAL AND IT MEANT A LOT TO ME.
UM, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO, UM, AFFIRM IT, RIGHT? AND TAKE THAT ACTION.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER AGREEMENTS THAT WE NEED TO DO, WHICH AT THIS POINT ARE STRAIGHTFORWARD.
'CAUSE THE AGREEMENT THAT, THAT, UM, YOU, THAT THE STAFF PUT TOGETHER, UM, IT IS, IS, IS A REAL DOCUMENT.
BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS.
FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THERE ARE, ONCE WE GET TO A FINAL DESIGN AND THE MUNICIPALITY SAYS, YEAH, WE LIKE THAT.
WHAT WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO DO, AND IT'S A ONE MEETING THING, IS ADOPT A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT BASICALLY SHOWS ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS IN THE SPACE WHERE THEY ARE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE PUBLIC COMING IN SAYING, WAIT, WHY ISN'T THAT A 35 FOOT SETBACK OR A 20 FOOT SETBACK? IT'S GONNA BE THE WAY THAT YOU WANT IT.
BUT IF YOU ADOPT A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS A VERY SHORT, TIGHT TIMELINE, THEN IT'S THEN WHAT WE HAVE CANNOT BE CHALLENGED.
THERE'S NO THERE, THERE'S NO ONE THAT CAN WAKE UP ON THE WRONG SIDE OF BED AND AND HA HAVE AN ISSUE.
UM, WE'VE GOT A WHOLE, UM, WHAT I'LL CALL HARD ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEERING TIMELINE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN TAKE, IT'S, IT'S NOT 60 DAYS.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN TYPICALLY TAKE FOUR TO SIX MONTHS.
WE CAN PRESS THE ACCELERATOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT IS ANY OF YOUR PROFESSIONALS WILL TELL YOU IF YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR STATE REVIEWS,
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COUNTY REVIEWS, WHATEVER.YOU'RE SITTING IN THE QUEUE, DIDN'T YOU AND I SHARE THAT? YEAH.
DIDN'T YOU WHISPER IN MY EAR AND SAY, WARREN, DON'T WANNA RUIN RAIN ON YOUR PARADE, BUT IT'S NOT SO, UM, IN, IN ADDITION TO THE ACTIONS YOU TAKE HERE, WHICH YOU CAN CONTROL, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE OUT OF OUR CONTROL.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE REVIEWS, THE UTILITIES, ALL THE THINGS WE NEED, WE'RE KIND OF CAPTIVE.
SO WE HAVE TO HIT PAUSE ON WHENEVER THAT TIMELINE IS, AND THEN FOR US TO RAMP UP AND COME IN, GET THE PLANS REVIEWED AND GET PERMITS, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT COULD BE A FAIRLY TIGHT TIMELINE.
BUT, BUT REALISTICALLY, THE, THE, THE HOLE IN THE DONUT IS HOW LONG THE AGENCIES ARE GONNA TAKE TO GIVE US WHAT WE NEED.
THAT'S NOT OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET A DOT PERMIT.
IS THAT NOT A COUNTY ROAD? WHITE HARDY'S A COUNTY ROAD.
LOVE DEALING WITH THE STATE DOT.
SO WE CAN, WE, WE CAN TRY, WE CAN, WE CAN USE A LITTLE INFLUENCE.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, IN ADDITION TO THE MUNICIPALITY HERE, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ATTORNEYS THAT REPRESENT US STATEWIDE, AND A COUPLE OF ENGINEERS THAT CAN BE HELPFUL.
THEY, THEY, THEY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WAVE A MAGIC WAND, BUT THEY CAN GET IT FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE PILE TO THE MIDDLE OF THE PILE.
THAT THAT'S ALL YOU CAN, THAT YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S THE BEST YOU CAN DO.
AND, UM, WE CAN ONLY, WE CAN, WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT WE CAN CONTROL ABSOLUTELY.
AS FAST AS WE CAN WITHOUT MISSING A BEAT AND GET OUT AHEAD OF IT.
AND I THINK THE OTHER THING IS THAT YOU MAY APPRECIATE, ALTHOUGH I RISK GETTING MORE QUESTIONS, IS FOR ME TO, WITH YOUR BLESSING APPEAR HERE FROM TIME TO TIME TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE WITH THAT'S GREAT.
WE CAN, IF WE CAN DO A WORKSHOP THAT'S EVEN BETTER.
WE DON'T NEED A WHOLE THING, BUT, WELL, I THINK WHAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO WITH THE PUBLIC, IF YOU, WE CALL YEAH.
GREENVILLE AND OTHER PLACES, WHAT IS SO IMPORTANT IS THAT WE GET PUBLIC BUY-IN.
SO WHILE THEY'RE GETTING PERMITS AND EVERYTHING WE NEED, LIKE WE HAD FOR EXIT THREE, WE NEED TO HAVE PUBLIC SESSIONS WITH, WITH RENDITIONS.
AND GREENVILLE DID A GREAT JOB WITH THAT.
AND, AND UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME OTHER AREAS THAT I CAN'T THINK OF OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UH, BUT UM, I THINK THAT'S A STEP.
WHILE THEY'RE TAKING THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE STEPS, WE HAVE TO TAKE OUR PUBLIC STEPS.
ALRIGHT, MR. MAYOR, WHY DON'T WE ADJOURN THIS MEETING.
WE HAVE FOOD WAITING AND I KNOW WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE HALL THAT ARE WAITING FOR YOU TO, FOR US TO EAT SO THEY CAN EAT.
WE HAVE, DO YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I HAVE TO SAY? I LOVE, NOTHING EVER GOES TO WASTE HERE.
THERE'S NOTHING GOES TO WASTE HERE.
THERE'S THREE PEOPLE OUT HERE.
WE NEED TO ADJOURN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'LL HAVE TO, WE'LL SAY ABOUT ONE O'CLOCK.
ONE O'CLOCK, OUR FRIEND FROM THE TRAVEL CENTER WILL BE HERE AND THE APPLICANT WILL BE HERE.
SO WE HAVE, WE OBVIOUSLY WANT TO BE READY FOR THEM AT ONE O'CLOCK.
AND MAY I JUST SAY THAT I WILL SEE EVERYONE THIS EVENING? THAT'S RIGHT.
AND IF WE CAN KEEP IT, IF WE CAN KEEP IT STRICTLY SOCIAL.
I HAPPY YOU MADE ME SWEAT ENOUGH TODAY, GUYS.
LET'S HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
EI THOUGHT ABOUT YOU YESTERDAY, GIRLFRIEND.
I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU PLUS, SO I HAVE I SENT YOU A PICTURE.
YOU, THAT PICTURE I SENT YOU TWO AND IT'S YOU.
AND THEY DIDN'T PUT THE I ACTUALLY YES SIR.
YEAH, I NEVER TALKED MORE ABOUT THAT.
I HAD THAT SO DOWN SHOCKED NO'S.
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I JUST HAD IT DONE.HE SAYS DOWN TO LIKE THE LAST TWO HOURS OR SO.
I'M JUST GOING WITH THE STANDARD I HAD.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO, YOU'RE STILL EKG AND IT COMES, I HAD THREE ULTRASOUNDS ON MY PANCREAS OF MY LIVER AND MY OH YEAH.
BECAUSE YESTERDAY, BONE WEEK FROM SATURDAY WE GET THE MAMMOGRAM AND WHY NOT KARATE CART THREE 30.
AND SHE IS LIKE, HOW CLOSE EVERYTHING COMES IN, THEY'RE LIKE, HOLD STILL AND THEN DON'T BREATHE.
I'M LIKE, YEAH, HOLD YOUR BREATH.
AND I TOLD, I SAID SQUEEZING ANYTHING IN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING GET IT IN THE MACHINE.
YEAH, BUT INSURANCE DOESN'T PAY FOR IT.
BUT THE THING IS, I HAD MY LAST, MY LAST MAMMOGRAM WAS DONE LIKE 20 SOMETHING.
THEY ALSO HAVE, THEY ALSO HAVE A, WHICH IS MORE ACCURATE? ULTRASOUND.
BUT THAT ISN'T THAT WE'VE HEARD.
BUT INSURANCE WON'T PAY FOR IT.
BUT IS THAT FOR LIKE, PEOPLE WHO HAVE REALLY DENSE BREAST STUFF? WELL, I MEAN, IT GIVES YOU A GOOD FOOT.
EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, IT STILL GIVES YOU A GOOD SCAN.
IT'S WAY MORE COMFORTABLE BECAUSE, AND I WAS LIKE, CAN'T WE ALWAYS DO THIS? AND THE GIRLS ARE JUST LIKE, WAY FOOT DOESN'T LIKE TO PAY FOR THIS.
AND I'M LIKE, THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
THEY WOULD INSURANCE PAY FOR EVERYTHING AT THAT POINT.
I ALWAYS SEND THE LETTER, SAID, HONEY, HOW MUCH MONEY YOU WANT TO GIVE US.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY GENERAL NEIL'S REALLY GOOD AT THAT.
I I DON'T WALK AROUND WITH THAT ARMY DUFFLE BAG BY, BY ACCIDENT.
SO THE BACKPACK, YOU'RE NOT FLYING OUT TODAY? UM, NO.
I MEAN LIKE IN SIX DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES.
I'VE ALREADY ALERTED THE POLICE CHIEF WILL LOOK OUT FOR YOU THOUGH.
THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO IS CUFF ME.
FORMS AN OPPRESSIVE GUY IN THE AREA.
SO PASSIONATE ABOUT HIS PRODUCT.
THAT'LL DO, DO HOW MANY, UM, HOW MANY UH, BARS FOR PEAS DO WE HAVE FOR HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE? I'M NOT SURE.
I SPENT A FEW HELLO? HELLO SIR.
SITTING NIGHTS AFTER THE FRATERNITY PARTY.
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DID NO, HERE GET TO EAT.SHE CAME, SHE HAD TO GET SOMETHING FOR MY DAD.
GUYS, AREN'T YOU EATING? GOT A NEW, OH, HERE WE GO.
WE HAVE ARE YOU WANT TO EAT? NO, NO, LET'S DO THIS.
ASHLEY'S GONNA NOTARIZE THANK YOU ON HERE.
UH, WE CAN, I JUST TOLD HIM, I SAID, WHY CAN'T ALL OUR DEVELOPERS BE THIS EASY? WE'LL DATE THIS, THIS IS IS THE FUN PART.
WE GET OUT THERE AND GET DIRTY AND GET IT OUTTA THE GROUND.
THAT'S WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD.
YOU WANT ME TO FILL OUT THE YEAH.
WHEN YOU HAVE THE WRONG PRODUCT OR THE WRONG LOCATION.
NO, THIS WORKED OUT REALLY WELL.
AND THE THE WE'LL JUST HOLD THOSE.
WERE VERY GRACIOUS TO LET ME DO IT.
BUT I THOUGHT IN LIGHT OF EVERYTHING WE DID, AT LEAST THIS GETS, YOU'VE GOT AND IT'S JUST A COUNTER SIGN.
AND WERE THIS AT THIS SIGNED? YEAH, JUST SIGN IT AND STAMP IT AND IT, YEAH.
MILLION DOLLAR DONATION TO THE MEMORIAL PARK.
IT'S NOT CLEAR, BUT I CAN THAT, THAT JUST WENT UP TIMES FIVE.
AND JUST THE FIRST BITE OF CHICKEN, THAT LOW COUNTRY CHICKEN.
SO WHAT BRANCH OF THE MILITARY IS YOUR FAMILY? IS YOUR FAMILY SERVING IN? WELL, I, I, I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT.
I HAD A GRANDFATHER AND TWO UNCLES THAT WERE NAVY.
AND, UM, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THIS REAL QUICK, HERE'S MY, UH, MY ID SINCE YOU ARE NOTARIZING.
HEY, NEW JERSEY DRIVER'S LICENSE IN MY, UH, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, UH, CREDENTIALS.
I'M GONNA COME OVER FOR A WHILE.
YOU'LL BE WORKING WITH, OH, THAT'S GREAT.
SO THEN THE NEXT MEETING, WE ALL NEED TO GET THERE.
OH, WELL, WHICH IS WHY I GOT, OH, I HAVE, SHE'S DRIVING ISAIAH.
YOU'RE GONNA WANT 'CAUSE YOU'RE JUST TOP HEAVY.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT JUST, MIKE AND I GOT NO IDEA, BUT IT WOULD SPIN.
SO THE WAY EVEN WHEN IT FITS YOU IS GONNA SPIN.
SO IT'S STILL SURPRIS IT STILL.
WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GET IT SIZE BECAUSE THEY DO IT IN HOUSE.
WE'RE GETTING READY TO PUT THE WHOLE HOUSE WATER FILTER IN HOURS.
HOUSE AND I'VE WELL, RIVER STREET.
OH, YOU SENT, YOU POSTED SOME PICTURES, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS FOR WELL NO, THAT WAS THE NEXT I USED, UM, CULLIGAN.
I'VE HAD THEM PROBABLY AT LEAST 20 YEARS.
SOMETIMES YOU RUN THE THERE, THE WATER IS YELLOW.
IT'S LIKE SOMEBODY PEED IN IT STREET AGAIN.
DID WE GET A, UM, IT GIVES US A LOT OPTIONS REFUND FROM, SO IT'S NOT, THIS IS GONNA BE PRETTY COOL TRADE'S OFFICE.
HEY STEVE, HOW DID MEL DO TODAY? UH, YESTERDAY.
UM, I THOUGHT HER SURGERY WAS TODAY.
WHERE DID YOU I WAS IN ORIGINALLY TODAY.
I HAD TO TAKE HER BACK FOR HER.
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SHE SAID REFUND.BUT SHE SAID HE GAVE, HE CAME IN WITH HARVILLE'S CHECK.
WELL, AND SHE SAID MIKE CHECKS, SHE GETS HER OTHER EYE.
WHAT DOES SHE HAVE DONE? LASIK? NO CATARACT.
GETS THE OTHER ONE DONE IN TWO WEEKS.
UH, WHAT WAS THE PAIN LEVEL LIKE FOR HER? NOT BAD.
SHE SAID, SAID IT WAS A MISTAKE.
SHE'S GOT ELEVATED PRESSURE, BLOOD PRESSURE OR PRESSURE IN THE EYE.
AND SHE'S HAD THAT FROM THE TIME SHE WAS BORN.
SO THE DOCTOR'S ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
RIGHT IN THE BACK OF HER EYES.
SHE GOT WR WHATEVER THE HELL THAT THIS.
THIS WAS THE, THIS WAS THE PREVIOUS TAX, THE PREVIOUS ON UNCOLLECTED, WHICH THE PREVIOUS TAX YEAR.
THEN THEY PAID US MONEY, BUT THEY NEVER, WHAT DID HAVE THEY, SO WE'VE TOLD MIKE, YOU LOOK LIKE, OH MY GOD, SHE'S READY FOR HALLOWEEN.
WE HAVE A WAY TO GET ALL OUR OR THROWN
SO SOMEONE TAKE A PICTURE OF THAT PICTURES TO BACK.
NO, THERE IS, BUT ME, HE WANTS TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
I DIDN'T KNOW HE WANTS TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
AND WE WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT Q1 PROGRAM.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM TO GIVE US ACCESS.
THEY DON'T WANNA CHANGE ANYTHING.
WE JUST WANT TO GET OUR REPORT.
TOLD, TOLD KNOW WHAT WAS LEVY PREVIOUSLY.
WHAT'S BEEN PAID FROM THE PREVIOUS.
NO, BUT IT'S SO EASY TO DRIP OR NOT SEE WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU.
THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA LIKE BE A LITTLE DEFENSIVE.
EXPLAIN IT TO US AND WE AGREE WITH YOU.
MAYBE THAT PLUS CAN BE OFF TOO.
I WAS GOING TO FILM SOMETHING AT TWO WITH LISA SKA ABOUT THE REFERENDUM.
MY DAUGHTER HAVE TO SAY, I'M SORRY, YOUR DAUGHTER GET ALONG WITH HIM.
SHE'S GOT ENOUGH FOR HER DADDY IN THAT SHE'LL, UM, COME BACK.
BUT SHE'LL TELL MIKE, SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SOME HAVE YOURSELF OFF A LITTLE BIT.
YOU COULD AVOID SO MUCH TROUBLE.
BECAUSE HE'S ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER.
BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE BOWL THE CHINA SHOP.
I MEAN, MAYBE THEIR BEST INTENTION, BUT THEY'D ROLL OVER, OVER EVERYBODY.
THIS IS A SOUND NOT BREAK THAT WAY'S WHAT MEGAN TOLD.
MM-HMM
IT'S GONNA BE A RECORD TURNOUT IT THERE AN EMAIL.
I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE, YOU PUT MEGAN DOWN THERE, GRAVITY.
SO THEY HAD ONE OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS AND STUFF.
MEGAN HAD MEGAN LEMME TALK TO YOU GOT A TELL ME.
BARBARA SAID, I'M GLAD YOU SAID THE HEADLINE.
CALL YOUR DADDY OTHER DAY ABOUT THE AM GROWN.
I SAID YOU SHOULD HAVE AN EQUALLY LOUD HEADLINE.
AN ARTICLE IN FAVOR OF YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S ONLY FAIR.
SO HE CAME BACK AND HE SAYS, WELL, THE ARTICLE DID SAY BOTH SIDES OF THE, OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE ARGUMENT.
YEAH, THE ARTICLE WAS FINE, BUT I JUST HOPE THE PEOPLE, THAT'S KIND OF THE THING.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE HEADLINE AND THE FIRST PART BECAUSE IT WAS VERY PREJUDICIAL IN MY MIND.
IN THE AFGHAN AND YOU KNOW HOW PEOPLE ARE TODAY IS THE HEADLINE.
IT WAS A VERY PREJUDICIAL HEADLINE.
THEY DON'T GET ANY FURTHER THAN THIS.
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OH REALLY? I HAVEN'T FOLLOWED S IN A WHILE.HE DOESN'T WANT HEAR THE, YOU NOT GOT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY HE, UM, RIGHT.
TIME WHEN PEOPLE DON'T WANNA, DON'T WANT CHECK EVERY MONTH GOING TO JOHN MURPHY WILL BE THE FIRST ONE.
SHE END UP ONE MONTH AFTER THIS ELECTION TO START COMPLAINING ABOUT ARGUING BULL.
I MEAN, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I, I SAID I WAS GOING TO DO THE REFERENDUM IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE I, I WAS GETTING PEPPERED WITH ALL KINDS OF, I SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, HOLD ON, LET ME GET SOMEBODY TO COME AND TALK TO YOU GUYS AND TELL YOU ALL THE STRAIGHT SKINNY.
BUT WHAT THEY WERE UPSET ABOUT WAS THE THREAT FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD.
IF YOU DON'T VOTE FOR THIS OR SUPPORT THIS, THEN WE ARE GOING HAVE WE DO THAT? SO WE GONNA HAVE NEXT.
BUT THEY, NOBODY, PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'LL JUST ACCRUE MORE DEBT.
AND THEN YOU WONT HAVE A WAY TO PAY IT BACK.
THE SCHOOL BOARD DOES THAT TOO.
WHICH IS WHY I SAID THAT'S WHAT THEY KNOW.
THEY CAN'T, THE DEBT SERVICE WRAPPED UP WIN.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT BILL KIND OF SAT BACK DOWN.
AND THEN WITHOUT THE, THE LOCAL OPTION PAY BACK THAT LIKE IT'S A SOURCE OF PAYMENT.
AND THEN JASPER COUNTY WILL JUST INCREASE THE BILL TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT DEBT.
BUT I'M SAYING LIKE, IF SCHOOL BOARD GOES IN AND ASK FOR A BIG, THERE WON'T BE A PUBLIC HEARING INCLUDE ALL THESE PEOPLE.
WHEN I RAN THAT FIRST TIME, I ACTUALLY HAD SOMEBODY SUGGEST TO ME AFTER YOUR THING, BECAUSE REMEMBER HOW YOU TALKED THAT THERE WAS GOING BE A COMMITTEE THAT WAS GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MONEY WAS GOING TO GO TO THE RIGHT PLACE.
AND YOU HAD TOLD THEM WHO AND WHO AND WHO WAS GONNA BE ON THERE.
THEY WERE LIKE, WHY DON'T YOU, WHY DON'T THEY HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ON THAT? BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAKEUP OF THAT COMMITTEE, IT'S ALL GOVERNMENTS.
AND WITH THE FACT THAT GOV PEOPLE DON'T TRUST GOVERNMENT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
MAYBE HAVING A, A VERY ASTUTE BUSINESSMAN OR SOMEBODY, WHOEVER, TO BE THERE TO LOOK AFTER THE TAXPAYERS THING THAT'S AS PART OF THAT COMMITTEE, IT WOULD SAVING PATIENTS ALL THEIR PUBLIC GOOD WAY.
IT'S NOT LET, IT'S NOT BINDING.
THE ONLY YOU KNOW, YOU ARE ACTUALLY, I MAY JOIN YOU.
ULTIMATELY, COUNTY COUNCIL IS IS THE ONE THAT MAKES THE DECISIONS ENTITY OF OF MM-HMM.
I'M GONNA GO FIND THOSE TECHIES AND MAKE SURE WE WAITING FOR STUFF GETS DONE.
APPRECIATE YOU GOT A WEEK TO FINISH, GET TO WORK.
WELL, EVEN FOR SOMEONE GOOD, DAVID, AS GOOD AS YOU.
I'VE HAD PEOPLE TELL ME, I SAID, WHY CAN'T THE CITY AND THE COUNTY MAKE THE STATE FIX THE ROAD? GUESS LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.
OUR COUNTY COUNCIL HAS FIVE VOTES.
HE SAID, WELL THEN WE NEED TO CHANGE.
THE PEOPLE IN COLUMBIA KNOW IT'S A POSSIBILITY TOO.
I SAYS, BUT UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND THAT NOTHING WORKS ON SENIORITY AT THAT LEVEL, WHERE DO YOU GO? YEAH.
THE PEOPLE IN HELL WANT ICE WATER TOO.
SO, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE HAD PEOPLE SAY, WELL, YOU GOTTA GO TO COLUMBIA.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MAYORS THAT ARE, THAT HAVE A LOT MORE RESONANCE THAN ME THAT ARE ALSO GOING TO COLUMBIA.
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TO EXPECT THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO FIX THE ROADS.AND I I SAID PEOPLE, IT'S A MATTER OF MONEY AND PRIORITIES.
STATE DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY AND WE'RE NOT THE HIGHEST PRIORITY.
TOM DAVIS HAS HELPED US A LOT.
HEY, MIKE, BEFORE I FORGET, I JUST FOUND OUT, YOU KNOW, THAT RESTAURANT ON SHERIDAN CIRCLE, GROUPIES TWO, THAT BIG SANDWICH SHOP THAT WAS IS ON SHE, UH, SHERIDAN CIRCLE.
WELL, THEY'RE CLOSING THEIR DOORS ON THE 28TH OF OCTOBER AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO RELOCATE.
OKAY, NOW WE CAN RUN 'EM DOWN.
THEY EVEN, EVEN THAT NO MATTER HOW MUCH HOLE TOM DAVIS HAS, AND HE SENIOR DOWN, IF YOU RECALL THE ORIGINAL LIST, THE LIST THAT WAS SENT FROM HARDY MILL RIDGELAND AND JASPER COUNTY WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF JUST FOR THE ROADS NOT COUNTING THE GREENVILLE.
THE GREENVILLE WAS CLOSE TO $600,000.
SO THERE'S A LOT MORE GROWTH MONEY THAT WE NEED JUST TO DO THE PROJECTS THAT WE ALL KNOW WE NEED.
THAT BALL, WE GOT A BET ON IT WHEN IT'S GONNA FALL.
WE GOTTA BET WHEN IT'S GONNA FALL.
SO HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT YOU BEEN HERE? HAS, HAS IT MOVED? OH YEAH.
I'M GO TO THIS ZOOM BOARD MEETING.
SO WITH THE CHILD, I THINK I SENT YOU A PICTURE WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS.
IT'S ONE TABLESPOON OF, YOU BOIL ONE CUP OF WATER AND WHEN IT'S BOILING YOU PUT ONE TABLESPOON.
YOU PUT ONE TABLESPOON OF THE MIX AND LET IT BOIL FOR THREE MINUTES.
AND THEN YOU PUT ONE CUP OF MILK.
AND LET THAT BOIL, UH, FOR SO IT MAKES TWO CUPS.
AND IT'S UP TO, IT'S THE, THE GREATER GINGER POT.
IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU WANNA PUT THAT IN.
I LIKE GINGER, BUT, AND THE SWEETENER IS ALSO UP TO YOU.
I'M DEFINITELY EXCITED TO TRY THAT OUT.
I OPENED THE PACKAGE AND MY HUSBAND CAME IN THE KITCHEN.
I'M EXCITED BECAUSE THANK YOU.
WE DRINK IT ALL WHILE YOU'RE AROUND.
SO YOU NEVER DRINK TO THAT, LIKE JUST BLACK TEA OR ANYTHING? YOU, YOU DRINK CHAI
I ALWAYS HAD A CUP OF CHAI IN THE MORNING.
THEY'LL HAVE AN AFTERNOON CUP OF TEA AS WELL.
BUT LIKE, YEAH, I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE A CUP OF CHINA IN THE MORNING OR A CUP OF COFFEE.
OH REALLY? LIKE, THAT'S THEIR BREAKFAST.
UM, TEA, I'LL DRINK IF I'M NOT FEELING TOO GOOD.
BECAUSE IT, IT KIND OF BUG YOU UP
I'M EXCITED TO MAKE MY FIRST CUP.
AND I PUT MINE IN A GLASS JAR.
I I, I STILL KEPT IT IN THE FOIL PACKET.
BUT I PUT IT IN A GLASS JAW AND THEN I DIDN'T WANNA PUT IT IN PLASTIC.
SO THE TIME, THE TIME WILL WILL COME.
DID, UM, THE, UH, WELCOME SERGEANT GU GUYS WE'RE GOOD.
UH, HER PRESSURE IN HER EYES ELEVATED TODAY.
SO THEY, UH, HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT.
I THINK THAT'S KIND OF COMMON THOUGH.
ISN'T WELL SHE, SHE ALREADY HAS ELEVATED EYE PRESSURE BEFORE SHE END IT DONE.
SO THEY WANT TO KEEP AN EYE ON IT.
SHE GOES, FACT SHE GOES TO YES.
THAT'S WHAT MY WIFE HAS BEEN DOING THAT.
AND THE DOCTOR PLUS SHE HAS A THING CALLED WRINKLES IN THE BACK OF HER EYE.
I SAID, HELL, I NEVER HEARD OF THAT.
I HEARD OF WRINKLES CLOSED, BUT NEVER WRINKLES IN THE BACK OF HER EYE.
ARE BOTH OF 'EM DONE OR JUST ONE? JUST ONE RIGHT NOW.
TWO WEEKS WE GET SHE HAS THE OTHER ONE DONE.
WHAT WERE YOU ASKING ME? SEE, HE HAS
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A LITTLE ONE DOING BOSSIER AND BOSSIER BY THE DAY.Y'ALL JUST DON'T, I MEAN, DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER.
YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND HAVE A NEW CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER.
CARINA, I'VE HEARD THAT KIDS DON'T LEARN BY READING OR BEING TAUGHT.
BUT THAT WAS PROBABLY TRUE AS WELL.
I MEAN, SHE LOOKS JUST LIKE MY HUSBAND, BUT SOMETIMES HE'S JUST LIKE, REALLY? TWO OF YOU, TWO OF YOU
SO SHE'S REALLY EXCITED ABOUT HOLLY.
SO MY BROTHER, MY BROTHER'S BABY IS DUE ON ELECTION DAY, SO SHE IS DOING NOTHING BUT TALK ABOUT THIS NEW BABY.
'CAUSE SHE'S THE YOUNGEST OUT OF EVERYONE.
SO THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME SHE'LL GET TO BE OLDER.
THEY'RE HAVING A LITTLE GIRL AND WE'RE JUST LIKE, READY.
AND THEN WE HAVE TWO FAMILY WEDDINGS THIS YEAR AS WELL.
SO BY THE FAMILY, SHE'S A, SHE'S A FLOWER GIRL AGAIN, SO SHE'S READY TO DO THAT.
AND THEN IN BETWEEN ALL OF THAT, MY HUSBAND IS HAVING SHOULDER SURGERY THIS MONTH OR IN NOVEMBER, SO IT'S GONNA BE, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH.
MY 3-YEAR-OLD GRANDDAUGHTER, SHE DOESN'T REALLY QUITE GET WHAT SHE WANTS.
SHE'LL STAND THERE AND LOOK AT YOU AND THEN SHE STARTS TAPPING HER FOOT STAND THERE DOING THIS AND REALLY WITH THE STARE.
THAT, THAT CHIN GOES UP AND THE FOOT GETS TO TAPPING AND SHE'S LOOKING.
IT'S LIKE THE CUTEST THING YOU'VE EVER SEEN.
YOU'RE JUST LIKE, YEAH, GO HOME AND DO THAT TO YOUR MOM AND DAD.
REALLY GOOD THING FOR YOU IS AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT TAPPING FOOT GOES UP, YOU BE CANDY.
DO YOU TAKE THEM TO THE POOL AND STUFF? DO THEY LIKE GET SWIM? YEAH.
WE USUALLY TAKE, WE'LL HAVE THE TWO BOYS FOR A WHILE, THEN THEY MAY TAKE THE, THE GIRL.
BUT IT, UH, WELL IF YOU'RE OUTNUMBERED.
WELL, MONDAY, MONDAY IT WAS THE, UH, MIDDLE, THE MIDDLE CHILD, THE BOY CREW.
IT WAS HIS SEVENTH BIRTHDAY, SO WE TOOK HIM, HE HAD TO PICK WHERE WE WENT SHOPPING AND THEN WE TOOK HIM TO GET IT.
HE COULD PICK OUT HIS OWN BIRTHDAY PRESENT AND ALL THAT.
WHERE'S HIS PIZZA FROM? SAVANNAH PIZZA.
OUR FAVORITE, ALL THE FOOD CAME FROM SAVANNAH PIZZA.
IT'D BE NICE TO GET THEM INTO A NICE NEW BUILDING.
I WOULD LOVE TO GET SOMETHING LIKE GWEN AND FRANNIE'S BACK ON THAT BLOCK.
BEST FRIED CHICKEN IN, I, I DON'T KNOW, FOR MILES.
WHAT'S THE INSPECTION STORY ON THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR TO SAVANNAH PIZZA ON THE RIGHT INSIDE THE, THE RESTAURANT.
IT'S HALF FALLEN IN AND IT'S, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? IT'S NOT INHABITABLE OF ANY SORT.
UM, THERE'S JUST SOME DISAGREEMENT ABOUT, EXCUSE ME,
THE OWNER, THE CURRENT OWNER HAS, UM, NOT ADMITTED IT CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT, BUT THEY HAVEN'T ADMITTED THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
I MEAN, THEY'RE HOLDING ONTO IT.
HE'S COME IN SEVERAL TIMES TO TALK ABOUT DEMO AND HE WON'T DO IT.
SO, BUT WHAT'S OUR COURSE OF ACTIONS? HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY WARREN, HOPEFULLY WARREN.
I MEAN, I KNOW WHEN TIM WAS HERE, HE STARTED SOME STUFF, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT STANDS.
UM, I DON'T, WE, I NEED TO TALK TO THAT TASK FORCE WE HAD THAT'S DOING AT THE HOTELS.
THEY WERE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL.
AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT IS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, VINCE RE VINCE ROMANO RETIRED AND HE WAS A BIG PART OF THAT.
SO, UM, I THINK HE WAS SAYING WHEN SHE GETS FOCUSED IN RIGHT NOW, IT'S AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE.
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UM, WE HAVE TO GO, UH, WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO COME BACK INTO THE WORKSHOP NOW.WE'RE OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE OUR AGENDA BACK PUBLIC SESSION TO CONTINUE OUR AGENDA.
SO I THINK THE COUNCIL RECALLS PART OF OUR PROCESS, ANY MAJOR DEVELOPMENT WE THAT IT PROCEEDS THROUGH THE ORDERLY PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS AND AFTER THEY TAKE SOME ACTION AND OR NO ACTION OR THAT COMES FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL.
AND BEFORE WE PROCEED, BEFORE WE PROCEED TO FIRST READING ON ANY OF THESE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS, WE HAVE A WORKSHOP WITH THE COUNCIL INFORMALLY TALK ABOUT THE DOCUMENTS AND ANY ISSUES RELATED TO BEFORE PROCEED.
SO WE ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT HARDY STATION, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY BEHIND, UH, ON EXIT EIGHT, BEHIND THE HOLIDAY INN, I GUESS HOTEL.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, THE CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN, AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IMPLICATIONS THAT ACCOMPANY THAT DEVELOPMENT.
SO MS. KATIE WILL LEAD US THROUGH THE, THE PROCESS.
ALRIGHT, SO I CAN GET MY PRESENTATION.
I'M GONNA DO A QUICK PRESENTATION AND THEN I'LL HAND IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT'S TEAM HERE.
PARTY STATION PLAN DEVELOPMENT, DISTRICT AMENDMENT, AND INITIAL MASTER PLAN.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S CALLED HARDY STATION, UM, LOCATED AT EXIT EIGHT AND YOU CAN KINDA SEE THE, UM, THIS
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IS THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2009.UM, AT THAT TIME THERE WAS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT APPROVED.
THERE WAS AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN APPROVED, BUT THERE WAS NO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AT THAT TIME.
UM, SHOWS THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT, UM, SEVERAL HOTELS AND RESTAURANT AND RETAIL HERE.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS I 95, EXIT EIGHT HERE, UM, 2 78 AND 17.
THE PROPOSED INITIAL MASTER PLAN, UM, IS IN FRONT OF YOU HERE.
IT DOES PROVIDE A, UM, LARGE TRAVEL CENTER WITH FUTURE COMMERCIAL LOTS HERE AND UP HERE.
UM, WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE IS THE ACCESS HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM 2 78 DUE TO THE, UM, I 95 WIDENING PLANS AND ALL THE ACCESS POINTS HAVE BEEN RELOCATED OFF OF 17.
UM, THE EXISTING CONVENIENCE STORE AND HOTEL WILL HAVE AN ACCESS POINT.
UM, ON THIS ROAD RIGHT HERE, JUST, UM, JUST UP 17, SO I HAVE THE 2009 PLAN AND THE PROPOSED PLAN HERE, UM, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 46 ACRES.
UH, POTENTIAL USES IN ADDITION TO THE LARGE TRAVEL CENTER WOULD BE RETAIL, HOTELS, RESTAURANTS, AND OTHER GENERAL COMMERCIAL USES.
UM, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY WORK WITH OTHERS TO INCREASE ACCESS TO LOCAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT CAN REDUCE OVERALL COMMUTING DISTANCE AND COST FOR RESIDENTS.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME, UM, MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THE VICINITY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF EXIT EIGHT.
UM, AS WELL AS OUR DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS.
THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD PROVIDE JOB OPPORTUNITIES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THOSE RESIDENTS.
THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY REVIEW PDDS AND DOCUMENT TRANSPORTATION RESPONSIBILITIES AND PROJECTS, AS WELL AS INCREASE COLLABORATION BETWEEN CITY STAFF AND S-C-D-O-T ON TRANSPORTATION NEEDS.
UM, THIS APPLICANT HAS WORKED IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY AND S-C-D-O-T TO ADDRESS MITIGATION AND FOR CURRENT AND FUTURE TRAFFIC CONCERNS.
UM, RELATED TO 2 78 17 AND I 95.
THIS APPLICATION, AGAIN, DOES IMPROVE THE ACCESS.
UM, IT, THE ORIGINAL PDD, UM, ALLOWED DIRECT ACCESS TO 2 78 AS WELL AS THREE ACCESS POINTS ON 17.
AGAIN, THAT HAS ALL BEEN MOVED TO 17 AT THIS TIME.
UM, AND THE TIA AND ALL THE SUPPLEMENTAL TRAFFIC MEMOS PROVIDED IN YOUR, THAT ARE PROVIDED IN THE DOCUMENT, UM, HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY CITY STAFF, S-C-D-O-T AND A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT.
SOME PICTURES, THIS IS THE SITE RIGHT HERE, THIS 2 78 AND 17.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS UNDEVELOPED AT THIS TIME.
AGAIN, THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE SITE DOWN, UM, TOWARDS DOWNTOWN HERE.
THERE'S THE SITE AGAIN LOOKING TOWARDS EXIT EIGHT, UH, COORDINATION WITH BOTH CITY STAFF AND DOT OFFICIALS.
UM, REGARDING IMPROVEMENTS TO EXIT EIGHT THAT WILL OCCUR DURING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE I 95 WIDENING PLAN, UM, HAVE OCCURRED.
THEY ARE DONATING APPROXIMATELY 3.8 ACRES OF RIGHT OF WAY TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE EXISTING BUSINESSES AND ADJACENT, ADJACENT TO THE PROJECT.
UM, THAT WILL BE DEDICATED TO DOT.
THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT, UM, RECOMMENDS THAT BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES BE INTEGRATED INTO ROADWAYS.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING MULTI-USE PATHWAYS AND SIDEWALKS.
SIDEWALKS, SORRY, THROUGHOUT THEIR DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS ALONG THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES ALONG 17 AND 2 78.
AND THEN PATHWAYS WILL BE CONNECTED WITH DOT'S EXIT EIGHT IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL.
UM, THERE WILL BE A MINIMUM OF 20% PROPOSED OPEN SPACE.
AND A MINIMUM OF A 20 FOOT AVERAGE LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
SORRY, CAN YOU TAKE OVER FOR ME FOR A SECOND? YOU ALRIGHT? YEAH, A LOT OF PAIN IN THE, AND A LOT OF PAINT FUMES.
UM, SO, UH, ADDITIONAL MINIMUM OF THESE PROPOSED, AS SHE MENTIONED, ELECTRICAL VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS, DOG WALKING STATIONS ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PARKING FIELD.
THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE, THE WHOLE CONCEPT FROM THIS TRAVEL CENTER.
SHE'S, SHE'S HAD A ROUGH COUPLE OF DAYS AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PAINT FUMES AND ALLERGIES AND EVERYTHING, SO, UM, UM, SHE'LL BE FINE.
UM, THAT IS ONE THING THAT, THAT AS WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY ALSO WERE VERY, I
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THEY WERE TRYING THEIR BEST TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE ACCOMPLISHING EVERY TYPE TYPE OF TRAVELER IN EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAD.SO, ARE YOU OKAY? YEAH, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT
I JUST HAD SOMETHING IN MY THROAT AND I HAD TO TAKE CARE OF MYSELF.
UM, CHANGES FROM THE APPROVED PDD TO NOW, UM, INCLUDE REMOVAL OF THE BUSINESS PARK AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES, REMOVAL OF CONVERSION LANGUAGE RELATED TO INDUSTRIAL USES, REMOVAL OF VAGUE LANGUAGE THAT WAS PERTAINING TO PERMITTED USES, UM, INCREASED OPEN SPACE, INCREASED BUFFERS, AND ADDITIONAL AMENITIES.
UM, AT THIS TIME I WILL INTRODUCE CASEY.
HI, I'M CASEY WARFIELD WITH, WITH KIMLEY HORN, UM, HERE REPRESENTING THE, UH, THE TRAVEL CENTER, UH, KIND OF THE, THE MAJOR PORTION OR OR COMPONENT OF, OF THE HARDY STATION.
UH, IT'S KIND OF SUBMITTAL THAT WILL BE FOR YOU ALL HERE IN WISTON TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, UM, AS KATIE KIND OF ALLUDED TO, WE, WE TRY TO DO OUR, OUR BEST, OBVIOUSLY THE CAR IS, IS A LOT OF THE MAIN FOCUS.
WE DO OUR BEST TO INCORPORATE, UH, MULTI-USE PASS THERE ALONG 17, UH, INTERNAL TO THE SITE, TO A, A BIKE PLAZA.
UM, BECAUSE INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, UM, AS CAR-CENTRIC OR FOCUS, IT IS, UM, A A LOT OF THE, THE MANAGEMENT AT, AT THE TRAVEL CENTERS, YOU KNOW, INTENSE CYCLISTS.
AND SO THEY, THEY USE, UH, THESE, THESE CENTERS KIND OF ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS KIND OF A NEXUS TO, FOR, FOR VARIOUS RIDES AND THINGS THAT THEY, THEY DO, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING SPACES KIND OF AROUND THE, THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE, UM, WITH A, AN INITIAL NEXUS OF THOSE THAT, THAT THEN CAN, UH, EXPAND AS DEMAND EXPANDS AND, AND CAN, THEY CAN BE FLEXIBLE AS FAR AS THAT, UM, THAT PARTICULAR COMPONENT GOES.
UM, A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO, TO MAKE NOTE OF, UM, THE, THE DRIVEWAY TO THE, UH, PLAN RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE THAT PROVIDES ACCESS TO THE, UH, EXISTING GAS STATION AND, AND HOTEL THAT IS PART OF, UH, SCTS INTERCHANGE, UM, IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
SO WE'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WORKING WITH, WITH DOT AND HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH DOT FOR THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND, AND, AND ACCESS POINTS AND IMPROVEMENTS AND, UM, HAVE GOTTEN THAT, UM, THAT STUDY AND AND CONCEPT PLAN APPROVED BY DOT.
AND IT WAS ALSO REVIEWED BY THE CITY'S, UH, THIRD PARTY, UM, ONE OF THE CITY'S THIRD PARTY TRANSPORTATION REVIEWERS, UH, STANTEC, UM, ON, ON THAT.
AND, UM, I WON'T NECESSARILY BORE YOU WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER, OTHER INFORMATION, BUT, BUT WE'RE HERE FOR, FOR QUESTIONS.
UM, ANYTHING WE CAN, CAN HELP CLARIFY OR ANSWER OR, UM, ON THAT.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING KIND OF ON, ON BEHALF OF, OF THE TRAVEL CENTER, UM, THEY'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THIS, THE SITE AND LOCATION AND, UM, AND, AND THE, THE DRAW THAT THAT IT HAS FOR, FOR THEM.
AND, UM, ASSUMING THINGS PROGRESS SMOOTHLY THROUGH THE THE NEXT STEPS, YOU KNOW, BEING, BEING PART OF THE, OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND I GUESS ONE OTHER THING THAT I'LL GO AHEAD AND JUMP AHEAD OF THE, ONE OF YOUR NEXT QUESTIONS IS, UM, AS FAR AS TIMING OF THE CENTER, UH, THE IDEA IS THAT, UM, THE OPENING OF THE, OF THE CENTER WOULD, WOULD BE KIND OF IN, IN CONJUNCTION WITH S SCTS, UH, ROAD IMPROVEMENTS SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT TRYING TO OPEN PRIOR TO THAT AND THE MESS CHAOS FOR THE, THOSE CUSTOMERS TRYING TO GET TO THE CENTER, WANT TO GIVE THOSE THEM A, A GREAT, UM, USER EXPERIENCE AND IMPRESSION AND SO THAT THEY'LL KEEP COMING BACK AS, AS REPEAT, REPEAT CUSTOMERS.
UM, WE RECENTLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF I 95 APPROVED THE MASTER PLAN FOR, UH, I THINK IT WAS 350 APARTMENTS.
AND ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT WE HAD, UM, ANTICIPATED AND THAT SOMEDAY A TRAVEL CENTER MIGHT BE THERE IS, IS THAT THIS POTENTIALLY COULD BE WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR THIS CENTER AS WELL AS CUSTOMERS FOR THE CENTER.
AND THE THOUGHT WAS HAVING THE ABILITY TO TRAVEL BY FOOT OR, AND OR BICYCLE IN DOT'S, PLANS OF RECONFIGURING THE EXIT IS, UH, DO THEY HAVE SIDEWALKS AND OR BIKE OVER THE, OVER THE, UH, UH, I 95 IN, IN THE LATEST PLANS THAT WE'VE SEEN? UH, THEY DO.
UM, THOSE ARE STILL IN, IN PROCESS ARE MY UNDERSTANDING
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AS FAR AS WHERE DOT STANDS RIGHT NOW.THEY'VE GOT ABOUT A A 30% LEVEL SET LEVEL DESIGN PLANS.
UM, THEY HAVE STARTED THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, UM, PROCESS, I KNOW FOR THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT THEY, THEY NEEDED, UM, ALONG OUR PARTICULAR PARCEL THAT THEY HAVE, UH, ACQUIRED, ACQUIRED THAT PIEING COMPONENT OF IT.
UM, BUT IN, IN OUR, UM, MULTI-USE PATHS OUR ARE PROPOSED TO TIE INTO THAT, UM, THAT SIDEWALK NETWORK THAT, THAT DOT IS, IS PLANNING TO CONSTRUCT AS PART OF THAT PROJECT.
SO, UM, I THINK AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, PROXIMITY OF, OF THAT, UH, PARTICULAR MULTIFAMILY, THAT'S, THAT'S FANTASTIC.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, YOU ARE THE TRAFFIC GUY, RIGHT? I, I AM, I KNOW ENOUGH TO BE DANGEROUS.
I'VE GOT A PARTNER HERE AT CONRAD SALVA, UH, HE, HE CAN SPEAK TO MORE OF THE DETAILS OF THAT, SO I'M GONNA LET HIM, UM, LET HIM GET TARRED AND FEATHERED HERE.
I, UM, CONRAD SVEN WITH KIMLEY HORN CONDUCTED THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THIS.
THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, YOU SEE THERE'S A CSX RAILWAY RIGHT UP WAY THERE.
WE ALL KNOW THEY CARRY ALL KINDS OF STUFF ON THOSE TRACKS.
UH, WHAT, WHAT MITIGATION EFFORTS DO YOU HAVE GUYS OR WE'LL HAVE IN PLACE IF SAFE OR, UH, WORST CASE SCENARIO THERE'S A DERAILMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT HAPPENS IN THAT WHOLE AREA THERE.
UH, WHAT PLANS ARE IN PLACE TO MITIGATE THAT OR OVERCOME THAT OR PREVENT THAT? FREE BEAVER NUGGETS.
AND THAT, AND THAT IS ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, HEAVEN FORBID SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT HAPPENS AND, AND OBVIOUSLY NO ONE, NO ONE WANTS THAT.
UM, THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE SO UNFORTUNATE THAT IT HAPPENED HERE, I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT THAT, THAT WE COULD DO.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT GOOD ACCESS, UM, TO THE, TO THE EXIT HERE ON SOUTH OF 17.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO ACCESS TO THE NORTH.
SO IDEALLY AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE ACCESS POINTS COULD, COULD REMAIN OPEN.
UM, I GUESS SPEAKING FROM, FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, UH, WITH, WITH MY FAMILY IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR TRAVEL CENTER, UH, IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE COUNTRY, YOU KNOW, HURRICANES AND THINGS, THIS WAS THE ONE PLACE THAT MY FAMILY COULD GET GAS, UM, AND, UM, COMING OUT AFTER.
AND IT'S KIND OF THAT, THAT RELIEF ON, ON THE HILL.
AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT QUITE EXACTLY THE, THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAD HAD ASKED, BUT THEY ARE, THEY ARE DEFINITELY, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S KIND OF AT THIS POINT HEARD OF LIKE THE WAFFLE HOUSE INDEX AND HOW BAD IS, IS A STORM.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THERE TO, TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND, AND, AND PROVIDE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS THAT SOMEONE MAY NEED IN THAT, IN THAT TIME OF NEED.
UM, AND, AND, AND HOPEFULLY WE DON'T EVER EXPERIENCE A DERAILMENT RIGHT HERE, CSX, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A STRAIGHT, UM, STRAIGHT SECTION OF, OF RAIL, BUT, UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT WE CAN DO TO SPECIFICALLY MITIGATE THAT WITH, WITH OUR PROJECT.
YEAH, BECAUSE I, I SEE ON IN THAT DRAWING THAT YOUR GAS TANKS, UNDERGROUND GAS TANKS ARE GOING TO BE, UM, KIND OF LIKE PARALLEL TO 17.
IS THAT CORRECT? AM I LOOKING AT IT CORRECT? YEAH, YOU, YOU ARE CORRECT.
AND THAT, THAT IS THOSE, UM, THOSE UNDERGROUND TANKS ARE PLANNED RIGHT HERE.
UM, ALONG THAT, THAT CORRIDOR AND AND EDGE.
I GUESS ONE OF THEM, IS THIS AN ACCESS POINT HERE? YES, SIR.
THAT, THAT IS, THAT'S, UH, A, AN AN ACCESS FOR THOSE NORTHERN COMMERCIAL PARCELS.
THERE'S GONNA BE INTER PARTIAL ACCESS THAT CONNECTS TO THAT, UM, THAT NEXT ROUNDABOUT.
THE OTHER QUESTION IS, UH, PROPANE FILL TANKS ON THE PROPERTY, ARE YOU GONNA SELL PREFILLED? ARE THEY GONNA HAVE PROPANE FILLED THERE OR HAVE THEY PLANT MADE PLANS FOR THAT? THAT I AM NOT, NOT CERTAIN OF THE EXACT DETAILS OF THAT.
UM, AND, AND WHAT'S BEING, UM, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED THERE.
UM, I KNOW THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY A, A PRIMARY, UM, SOURCE OF THEIR, OF THEIR BUSINESS.
UM, BUT, UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE.
UH, EASY ONE, THE CHARGING STATIONS THAT WERE MENTIONED, THESE WOULD BE CHARGING STATIONS FOR, I THINK THERE'S TWO TYPES.
ONE FOR TESLA ONLY, AND ONE FOR EVERYBODY.
IS THIS, ARE THESE EVERYBODY'S OR ARE THEY SEGMENTED? THEY, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT THE WAY
CAN I HOP IN HERE REAL QUICK? SURE,
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PLEASE.UH, YOU MAY, STEVE, YOU GOT OUTTA TRACK.
YOU MAY HAVE TO GIVE YOUR, UH, FAKE NAME.
WHICH ONE? WHICHEVER YOU FEEL IS APPROPRIATE.
I AM DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND REAL ESTATE FOR BUCKY'S.
AND I'M REALLY GLAD TO BE HERE.
AND, UH, AN ALIAS? NO, BUCKY'S.
UH, SO TO, UM, TO ANSWER YOUR, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT PROPANE.
I JUST A, IT WAS JUST A THOUGHT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT DERAILMENTS.
WE DON'T ALLOW THOSE
SO YOU JUST SAID THE B WORD OUT THERE LOUD.
HOW IT PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE? NO, UH, APPARENTLY IT IS NOW
DOES THAT MEAN I CAN START WEARING MY BUCKY SHIRT NOW? I DON'T.
I'D RATHER YOU WAIT TILL AFTER ANY VOTES, BUT I DON'T, YOU KNOW.
YEAH, I MEAN, WE ARE, WE ARE AT THE POINT, UH, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE READY TO GO.
UNFORTUNATELY, IF THERE IS AN UNFORTUNATE HERE, IT'S THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AND I HATE TO KICK S-C-D-O-T UNDER THE BUS, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE WAITING FOR THEM.
I KNOW, WE, I KNOW DO IT TOO, BUT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE WAITING FOR THEM.
WE WILL NOT OPEN UNTIL THAT INTERCHANGE IS COMPLETE.
UH, THEY ARE AT ABOUT 30% PLANS.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRUCKING RIGHT ALONG IS, IS AS GOOD AS THEY CAN.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE SCHEDULED ANY REAL CALENDAR YET, UH, BUT THEY MIGHT HAVE TO.
SO ANYWAY, WE'LL FOLLOW, WE WILL BACK INTO OUR CONSTRUCTION START AND, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE HAVE A, A DUAL RIBBON CUTTING RIGHT NOW.
SO, UH, BACK TO THE CHARGING STATIONS, WE'LL DO TESLA ONLY, OR NO.
SO WE ARE SOMEWHAT AT THE MERCY OF OUR TWO PARTNERS WHO ARE TESLA, WHICH IS THE, YOU KNOW, THE APPLE OF THE GROUP AND, AND MERCEDES-BENZ, WHICH IS THE ANDROID SIDE OF THE WORLD.
UH, AND, AND WE HAVE PRETTY LOOSE AGREEMENTS WITH BOTH OF THEM THAT THEY GET TO CHOOSE WHERE THEY PUT THEIR ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS.
UH, THEY HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T BYPASSED, UH, BUCKY'S TRAVEL CENTER YET, AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THEM PASSING ON THIS, SO I CAN'T IMAGINE NEITHER.
RIGHT? SO, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, AT A MINIMUM, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE AT LEAST A DOZEN TESLAS, AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE MAYBE THAT MUCH OF THE MERCEDES-BENZ.
WE HAVE NOT, AND I'M GONNA BE SPEAKING OUT OF, OUT OF SCHOOL.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD A MERCEDES-BENZ UNIT TURNED ON YET.
I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE BUILDING AT A COUPLE OF OUR SITES, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE OFFICIAL YET.
BUT THEY ARE THE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE, THEY'RE THE ANDROID.
AND BY THE WAY, TESLA HAS NOW STARTED TO, TO MOVE INTO SHARING, UH, THEIR TECHNOLOGY AND THEIR POWER, UH, SOURCING WITH OTHER CAR MAKERS AND EVERYTHING.
SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA, ONE OF THESE DAYS IT'S GONNA BE ALL, YOU KNOW, ALL ONE, ONE THING.
AND TO FOLLOW UP ON A PREVIOUS EXECUTIVE SESSION MM-HMM.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS OUR BIG GUY.
WE, WE, UH, THAT WILL BE A QUESTION I'LL BE ASKING IN ABOUT 30 MINUTES.
NO, WE, WE, WE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTEN OUT OF THE SIZE COMPETITION, UH, BUT, BUT OUR, OUR BIG STORE THAT WE BUILD NOW IS 74,000 SQUARE FEET.
WE RE WE LULING, TEXAS WAS OUR FIRST TRAVEL CENTER EVER 20 YEARS AGO.
AND NINE MONTHS AGO, WE OPENED UP A 75,000 SQUARE FOOT TRAVEL CENTER NEXT TO THE OLD 30,000 SQUARE FOOT TRAVEL CENTER.
AND NOW THAT HAS HAVE DEMOLISHED THAT.
SO 75 IS OUR, THE BIGGEST ONE THAT WE'RE EVER GONNA BUILD SO FAR.
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IS WHAT ALL THE OTHER BIG ONES ARE.AND THIS, THIS LOCATION BY FAR REQUIRES A 74,000 SQUARE FOOTER.
AND, AND, AND I WILL MAKE, UH, THE TRAFFIC CREATED IS, IS NO DIFFERENT BETWEEN A 74 OR A 53.
THE, THE, UH, THE, THE, THE REASON THAT WE WENT BIGGER, UH, WAS THAT, THAT OUR OUT-OF-STATE STORES WERE, THANK GOODNESS, SO CRAZILY SUCCESSFUL THAT THEY STARTED GETTING A LITTLE TOO BUSY.
AND OUR NUMBER ONE GOAL IS TO, IS FOR YOUR CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE INSIDE OF A BUCKY'S TO BE LIKE, MEMORABLE.
SO LIKE WHEN YOU WALK OUT OR YOU GO, I'VE NEVER, WHATEVER I THOUGHT THAT WAS, I, I NEVER THOUGHT IT WAS THAT.
AND OUR OWNER SAID, IT'S STARTING TO GET A LITTLE SKETCHY.
SHE WAS LIKE, I AIN'T, I DON'T GO IN THERE ON SATURDAYS.
AND SO WE BUILT THIS BIGGER STORE AND IT'S ALMOST ALL IN THE FRONT, IN THE, IN THE, THE, THE CUSTOMER FACING AREA SO THAT PEOPLE CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT, SPEND MORE TIME, AND THEORETICALLY MAYBE SPEND MORE MONEY, SPEND MORE.
SO NOW THE SECOND QUESTION I HAD, WHICH SPEAKS TO WHAT YOU JUST WERE TALKING ABOUT, MM-HMM.
HAS DOT GIVEN ANY PRELIMINARY, UH, EXPECTATIONS OF A LIGHT AT THE, SO WHAT'S, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS BEFORE THEY WOULD APPROVE IT.
UM, SO BASED ON OUR TRAFFIC STUDY THAT THEY DID APPROVE, WE ARE GONNA BE INSTALLING A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE AND WE'LL BE WIDENING 17 TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THESE NEW TRIPS THAT INTERSECTION.
AND SO WE'LL HAVE TWO, UH, LEFT TURNING LANES, COMING OFFICE 17 BACK ONTO 2 78.
SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE THE SOLUTION BEFORE THE PROBLEM ARRIVES.
THAT WOULD BE, THAT IS, THAT IS THE GOAL.
I CAN SAY, AND WE CAN SAY WE DID THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND, SC DOT'S LIGHT REQUIREMENTS, AND THEY ARE OFTEN CRITICIZING FOR NOT ANTICIPATING THE TRAFFIC AND, AND PUT IN A SOLUTION BEFORE.
UH, SO, SO THE IS, SO IS THE TIMING, 'CAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA GET ASKED THIS QUESTION.
IS THE TIMING SET, AS YOU TALKED BEFORE, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, UH, A DUAL RIBBON CUTTING.
COULD WE MAKE THAT A TRY? RIBBON CUTTING
JUST GO BACK ON THAT REAL QUICK.
LIKE YOU MENTIONED, GENERALLY THE DOT WANTS TO GET OUT THERE AND SEE THE DATA BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY INSTALL IT.
BUT THE INTERSECTION GEOMETRY THAT WE ARE PROPOSING AT THIS INTERSECTION TO CONTROL THE TRAFFIC, IT HAS TO BE SIGNALED.
SO WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO GO THAT SIMILAR SITUATION IN FLORENCE THAT, THAT SIGNAL WE DID.
WE HAD TO, WE, UH, SO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS TRUE, THEY USUALLY WAIT AND WE WERE LIKE, DON'T.
AND WE WERE LIKE, NO, DON'T WAIT.
SO FLORENCE, UH, THEY BUILT IT, WE BAGGED IT, AND, AND WHEN WE OPENED IT, IT WAS, IT WAS SHINING LIKE A SIGNAL SPEC.
WHAT MAY I ASK? WHAT ATTRACTED YOU TO THIS LOCATION? BECAUSE THAT, THAT QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED REALLY? SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, I DID ASK IT.
IT'S A, IT, IT, IT, IT'S, IT TO THE AREA.
THIS IS, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
UM, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THE BEACH IS THAT WAY.
I MEAN, WE ARE AT THE, Y'ALL KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE AT THE T, RIGHT? ALL THE FUN STUFF IS ALL AROUND US.
I JUST TELL PEOPLE IT'S, WELL, IT'S ABOUT AS FAR AS MOST PEOPLE HAVE TO STOP, USE THE BATHROOM, RIGHT? WELL, THERE'S THAT.
AND SO FROM A, FROM JUST A A, A CUSTOMER WHO'S ON THE ROAD, OUR CUSTOMER, THIS IS A PERFECT PLACE.
UH, AND, AND IT, AND, AND IT SLOTS IN PERFECTLY BETWEEN FLORENCE AND BRUNSWICK AND, AND FOR THAT MATTER, BRUNSWICK SLOTS IN PERFECTLY WITH, UH, UH, ST.
SO THE, THE POINT IS, IS TO, TO WE'VE MEASURED THE AVERAGE BLADDER, AND WE ARE
I THOUGHT I WASN'T THAT WRONG.
WE ARE FILLING IN, BUT THIS WILL BE, THIS IS THIS, I DON'T WANT TO CALL MYSELF
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AN EXPERT.BILLY MAYOR
THE, UH, UM, THIS IS, THIS WILL BE A REALLY NICE LOCATION FOR US.
IT, IT, IT'LL, IT'LL HAVE A DIFFERENT FIELD THAN, THAN A A BRUNSWICK EVEN, OR A, A ST.
IT, IT, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE VERY SIMILAR TO FLORENCE.
A LOT OF SUMMER STUFF, A LOT OF SPRING BREAK, A LOT OF FUNNER TYPE TRIP STUFF.
THE VISIBILITY WILL BE VERY HIGH, UH, FROM 95, WHICH IS GOOD.
WE WILL HAVE A, A SIGN, UM, THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE.
AND, AND EVERYBODY WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO KEEP IT.
FOUR MILES, FOUR MILES AND MILES AND MILES.
WE, THE LITTLE BILLBOARDS EX EXCELLENT MARKETING.
YOU KNOW, I, I PURPOSELY WENT TO THE STORE IN, UH, SOUTH CAROLINA THINK, SAID 1 70, 1 72 MM-HMM.
AND I WATCHED THE WAY YOU GUYS HAD STRIPED GETTING OUT OF THE PUMPS, HOW YOU GUYS HAD STRIPED THE BEST ACCESS ONTO 95.
YOU COULD HAVE DONE IT WITH YOUR EYES CLOSED.
I'M, I'M GONNA, I DID RECORD THAT
IT, IT, IT, IT'S A, UH, IT'S A BIG LIFT FOR US TO FIGURE OUT HOW PEOPLE ARE GONNA MOVE AROUND.
AND, AND SO I'M NOT GONNA KID YOU AND IN FLORENCE, THE COUNTY WOULD, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL TALK TO 'EM.
I MEAN, IT CAN GET UGLY THERE ON SOME DAYS AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SO WHAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, 4TH OF JULY, IT OUGHT TO BE BUSY.
IT OUGHT TO, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT FOR A TYPICAL DAY, OTHER THAN THOSE CRAZY DAYS, WE, WE STUDY, WATCH FOR MONTHS AFTER WE OPEN AND FIGURE OUT WHO'S DOING WHAT.
AND IF THEY'RE DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY, THEN WE, WE, WE SIGN CORRECTLY.
AND IF THEY'RE DOING IT THE WRONG WAY, WE SLOWLY MOVE THEM INTO DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY BY, BY CONES AND BUY BARRIERS.
WE DO ALL WE CAN DO INTERNALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE, BECAUSE IF OUR INTERNAL TRAFFIC IS MOVING SMOOTHLY, THEN THE INGRESS AND EGRESS IS NOT AN ISSUE.
AND, AND THESE TWO CIRCLES ARE GONNA BE SICK.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT, THAT IS, THAT'S THE KEY POINT, ARE THE TWO CIRCLES.
UM, I'VE, I'VE NOTICED, YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO I WORKED FOR KMART AND WHEN THEY WERE GROWING BEFORE WALMART, MCDONALD'S PUT THEMSELVES NEXT TO EVERY KMART IN THE WORLD.
THEY PUT 'EM, YOU KNOW, NEXT TO WALMART.
BUT, UM, DO YOU EXPECT TO ATTRACT, 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN IT IN YOUR OTHER, SOME OTHER LOCATIONS, UH, BIG COMPANIES THAT SEEM TO GO NEXT TO YOU, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY LIKE COSTCO.
UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THEY SEEK YOU OUT? I DON'T THINK, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THOSE GUYS, I DON'T THINK THAT COSTCO SEEKS US OUT.
I THINK THEY, THEY HAPPENED, UH, TO SHOW UP IN, IN, UH, ST.
UH, AND I, I THINK I CAN SAY THAT PRETTY COMFORTABLY BECAUSE THAT DEVELOPER WAS TALKING TO THEM AS HE WAS TALKING TO US.
I DON'T, THOSE WERE PRETTY SEPARATE ISSUES.
BUT THE, THE, THE, THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW US AROUND, IF, IF, IF, IF WE HAD A A A FAN CLUB, IT WOULD BE HOTELS, WHICH Y'ALL WANT TO HEAR.
AND SO DO WE, UH, AND, AND SURPRISINGLY ENOUGH, UH, SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS, FULL SERVICE RESTAURANTS, WE DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT RESTRICTIONS WE PUT ON THE CELLAR.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS, BUT, BUT WE USUALLY TRY TO, TO, TO RESTRICT AGAINST, DRIVE THROUGH FAST FEEDERS AGAINST THE, YOU KNOW, CHICK-FIL-A AND MCDONALD'S AND WHATNOT.
WE HAVE MORE ALREADY WHAT THEY, WHAT I THINK THEY HAVE LEARNED.
AND I THINK MAYBE TACO BELL LEARNED IT IN FLORENCE, IS THAT IT PROBABLY, IT REALLY ISN'T THAT GREAT OF AN IDEA TO, TO PARK NEXT TO, UH, BUCKY'S BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA CHOOSE BUCKY'S OVER OVER YOU.
AND, AND SO, BUT THE SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS, WE'VE HAD ALL JUST GREAT LUCK, STEAK HOUSES, CHILIES, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE KIND OF PLACES.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE THERE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT YOU'RE OUTLAW ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU ENVISION WOULD BE IN THERE EVENTUALLY? UH, HONESTLY, NOT A WHOLE LOT.
I MEAN, I WOULD, I'LL, I'LL BRING THAT UP MAYBE LATER.
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I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT OPEN FOR IDEAS WITH THE CITY.I, I, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA SAY WE'RE NOT, BUT, BUT WE WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT UNDEVELOPED AND LOOK NICE FOR THE NEXT 40 YEARS THAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY DO SOME TRIMMING IN THERE AND KEEP THE GREEN OPEN.
THE ISSUE WHERE WE'VE RUN, WE CAN'T DO A WHOLE LOT BECAUSE I, IN SOUTH CAROLINA OR AROUND, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO ANY TREES UNLESS YOU REALLY KNOW, LIKE, UNLESS YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT YOU'RE GONNA LIKE REALLY FOLLOW.
WE CAN'T JUST GO IN AND CLEAR CUT AND, YOU KNOW, PICK UP THE PRETTY TREES AND WE DON'T.
SO, SO THAT'S GONNA BE A, AN EMPTY SPACE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
SO DMT PLANS I 95, EXIT FIVE, EXIT EIGHT, A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLETE, A HUNDRED PERCENT PERMITTED.
THEY'RE, THEY CALL IT LETTING BUT BIDDING IN FEBRUARY.
SEE THAT, THAT'S ALL READY TO GO.
SO, JUST SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE COOP.
WE'LL SAY THEY'RE KIND OF WAITING FOR US ON EXIT THREE.
SO THEY, WE, WE SLOW, WE SLOWED 'EM DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEY'RE WAITING FOR US TO CONCLUDE OUR EXIT THREE PROJECT, SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD.
COUNSEL, ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL THROW THIS OUT THERE.
'CAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ON AND OFF THE POSSIBLE USE FOR THE OUTLET OUT THERE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, PEOPLE THAT TRANSIT THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY AND THEY'LL BE GOING RIGHT PAST YOUR STORE EVERY DAY THAT LIVE IN THE OUTER AREAS.
IT WORKED DOWN ON, UH, HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC SITUATION IS AS GETTING VEHICLES ON AND OFF THE ISLAND ARE WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF ENLARGING THE MASS TRANSIT OR PARK AND RIDE AREAS.
LIKE THAT COULD BE AN IDEAL SPOT FOR THE PARK AND RIDE LOCATION.
IT'S AT THE CONNECTION OF, UH, 95 AND, UH, 17.
A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS OR EMPLOYEES THAT WORK DOWN ON THE ISLAND AND WORK HERE IN HARVILLE AND EVEN DOWN INTO BLUFFTON ARE COMING FROM RIDGELAND INTO THE NORTH.
IT'S JUST A THOUGHT THAT THAT MIGHT BE A USE FOR THAT PROPERTY.
THINK OF MANY OF THOSE BRISKET SANDWICHES YOU'RE GOING TO SELL WITH THE FOLKS GOING HOME AFTER WORK.
WE, SO, SO WE, AND THAT'S THE THING.
UH, WE, WE ARE, WE'RE OPEN TO HAVING THAT.
AND MR. MAYOR, I THINK MATT, IF, I MEAN OTHER QUESTIONS, MATT, I'LL JUST BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THE DA PROVISIONS IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO HEAR THAT.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA COME BACK UP, BUT SINCE HE'S HERE HE CAN YEAH, WE, WE HAVE TIME.
UM, YOU TYPICAL DA AND WE JUST OUTLINED RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES, THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, ASSURE THEM WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE ALL OUR CITY SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, THEIR OBLIGATIONS AS WELL.
CERTAINLY TRAFFIC IS A PART OF, OF THAT ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, THIS IS REALLY KIND OF UNIQUE IN THE SENSE THAT DOT IS DOING AN AWFUL LOT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS KIND OF FOR THEM, BUT CERTAINLY HELPS THEM.
THEY'RE GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE AS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED PREVIOUSLY WITH ANOTHER AGREEMENT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO IMPROVE S 17.
UM, HOW THAT ULTIMATELY GETS PAID FOR AS A, IS ANOTHER MATTER.
BUT IT'S, IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UM, JUST TO BACK UP FOR ONE SECOND, I WOULD NOTE WE WERE ALWAYS GONNA GET THAT LIGHT AT 17 AND 95, I'M SORRY, 17 AND 2 78 AS A PART OF THE WIDENING AND EXIT EIGHT.
UM, BUT WITH, WITH THE BUCKYS AND THEIR TIA, IT SHOWED THAT THEY NEED THAT SECOND LEFT TURN.
WE WERE ALWAYS GONNA GET THAT LIGHT.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS GOOD RIGHT OFF THE BAT ANYWAY.
UM, BUT JUST THEN AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY THE BIG PART OF THE DA IS, IS THE DEVELOPMENT FEES.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA COLLECT FOR PUBLIC WORKS, POLICE, FIRE, COMMUNITY FACILITIES, MINIMAL AMOUNT FOR COMMUNITY FACILITIES, FACILITIES PARK, AND THEN OFFSITE ROADS.
WE ARE GONNA, WE DO HAVE AN OFFSITE ROAD FEE, UM, THAT, THAT'S THE BIG NUMBER.
NONE OF THESE NUMBERS ARE, ARE, ARE HUGE, THAT THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT ANTI-BUSINESS BY ANY STRETCH, BUT THEY DO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE NEED THEM TO ACCOMPLISH.
UH, WE, THAT'S, THESE ARE COMMERCIAL FEES, SO THEY'RE BASED ON PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
AND WE DID FOR THE ROAD FEE, WE DID ALSO, WE DID ASSIGN A VALUE, UM, A FEE FOR EACH GAS PUMP BECAUSE BUCKY'S IS SUCH A UNIQUE, UH, SITUATION AND SUCH A TRAFFIC GENERATOR THAT WE FELT
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THAT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE.AND, UM, AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY ACCOMMODATING.
AND, AND AS WE WORKED THROUGH THE, THE DA, THE VERY DISPERSIONS, UM, REALLY HADN'T BEEN ANY GREAT CONTROVERSY AT ALL.
BUT WE WILL RECEIVE SOME FUNDS THERE.
AGAIN, THEY'RE GOING TO, ESSENTIALLY THE IMPROVEMENTS THEY HAVE TO MAKE IMMEDIATELY ARE JUST THE ONES ALONG 17.
AND THEN WE WILL OBVIOUSLY BE ABLE TO COLLECT SOME MONEY THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY PUT TOWARDS, UM, EITHER SOME SPOT IMPROVEMENTS ALONG 2 78 OR WHERE THE, THE, THE ULTIMATE WIDENING OR WHATEVER.
'CAUSE CERTAINLY THE CITY'S GONNA HAVE TO PLAY SOME PART IN THAT, THAT WHOLE PROJECT, A VERY LARGE PROJECT.
SO ANYWHERE WE CAN COBBLE FUNDS TOGETHER TO HELP, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CITY SOONER, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
BUT THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE ARE WITH THE DA.
UH, NOTHING EARTH SHAKING IN THERE.
AND, UM, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF I CAN.
WE SPOKE PRIOR OR BEFORE, UH, ABOUT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK THAT THIS IS A PROJECT OF MAGNITUDE AND GREAT PUBLIC INTEREST.
UM, DO YOU THINK IT IS HAVE VALUE, UM, WHOEVER REPRESENTS BUCK'S AND OR THE TRAFFIC STUDIES TO HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC FORUM, UH, THE PUBLIC COULD COME IN AND, AND SEE THIS ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE I, I THINK THE PUBLIC EMBRACING THIS WOULD BE, FIRST OF ALL, IT WOULD BE A BRAINER.
BUT NUMBER TWO, I THINK INCLUDING THEM AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, WOULD I, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE A LOT OF BENEFIT IF, IF YOU, AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'LL DEFINITELY BE GONE TO FIRST READING, UM, AT SOME, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE, MIKE? WELL, UH, I, IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL.
I MEAN, BUT GENERALLY RIGHT AFTER THE WORKSHOP, AND IF THERE'S NO MAJOR ISSUES, WE WOULD, I WOULD GO TO FIRST READING ON NOVEMBER 7TH.
NOVEMBER 7TH, UH, FIRST READING, IF COUNSEL, I, I WOULD JUST SEEMS WE'RE READY FOR FIRST READING, BUT WE DON'T, IF WE, I'M TALKING ABOUT A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SESSION, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE, 'CAUSE THE PUBLIC, IF THEY WANT WEIGH IN, THEY, THEY'LL HAVE TWO PUBLIC, THE POST PUBLIC HEARINGS.
BUT I THINK HAVING A A, A BIGGER THING, LIKE AT THE REC CENTER OR SOMETHING, INVITE THE PUBLIC IN, SHOW 'EM WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
UM, A WHAT ABOUT BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, JUST TO HAVE IT BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING? I THINK THAT WOULD BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
I, THE PUBLIC'S GONNA BE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
IT'S ONE OF THE WOLFS KEPT SECRET.
SO, SO I, AND, AND WE'RE WILLING TO, TO, TO DO WHAT Y'ALL WANT US TO DO.
UM, THOSE THINGS CAN GO ONE OF TWO WAYS.
AND, AND THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC LOVES US AND WANTS TO BE THERE, WANTS US TO BE THERE.
THE REALLY LOUD, MISERABLE GRINCHES OF THE WORLD WHO DON'T WANT US TO BE THERE.
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO SHOW UP AT THOSE THINGS.
WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF THAT, BY THE WAY.
WE GET THAT, UH, JUST ABOUT EVERY DAY.
AND SO HAVING THE REFERENDUM NOW, I WAS JUST GO ON FACEBOOK AND I HAVE TO YOUR POINT, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M THERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I'M THERE TO, TO PROVIDE, UH, FACTS.
UH, AND, AND YES, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH A DISCOURSE, UH, WITH THE PUBLIC.
I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, I WOULD CAUTION Y'ALL TO, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU REALLY DO THAT, WHETHER IT'S IN THE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S AT THE FIR I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HAVING TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS.
UH, SO MAYBE, I MEAN, I CAN SHOW UP AT THE FIR YOU KNOW, AT BOTH OF THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND, AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANYBODY HAS.
WELL, HOW ABOUT IF WE DID THIS? YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR, UH, POWERPOINT.
WHAT IF WE PUT THOSE ON BOARDS, PUT 'EM OUT IN THE HALLWAY SO THAT PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT 'EM PRIOR TO OUR FIRST READING? PRIOR TO OUR SECOND READING.
AND I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU KNOW, I'VE ALREADY RUN INTO ONE OR TWO, THE, THE LOUD MOUTH.
AND NO MATTER WHAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE PEOPLE.
YOU HANG IN WITH A NEW ROPE AND THEY WOULDN'T BE HAPPY.
BUT THEIR, THEIR VOICE IS VERY LOUD, VERY LOUD.
I THINK HAVING SOMETHING AVAILABLE THAT THEY CAN SEE HERE, THE NIGHT THAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS IT, THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAND UP AND ASK A QUESTION TO PUT UP THEIR INPUT THEN IS GOING TO BE MORE THAN ENOUGH.
AND WE CAN ALWAYS ADD IT DOWN, YOU KNOW.
AND THE, THE LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
THE, THE, THE, THE READING, THE WHAT ARE THE OFFICIAL THE OFFICIAL ACTIONS Y'ALL ARE TAKING OR YOU'RE, YOU'RE APPROVING
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THE, THE PD, THE MASTER PLAN.THE MASTER PLAN, THE PD, THE MASTER PLAN.
MASTER PLAN, AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
EACH OF THOSE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THEM.
THE DA HAS ITS OWN SPECIFIC PUBLIC HEARING THAT WILL BE NOTICED IN THE NEWSPAPER AS WELL.
SO, UM, ALL, ALL, SO YOU WILL HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND EACH OF THOSE HAS TWO READINGS.
SO EACH OF THEM WILL HAVE, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR UP TO SIX HEARINGS OKAY.
SO THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN AT, AT YOUR TWO READINGS.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN ALWAYS, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, IF YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING ELSE, YOU CAN ALWAYS DO THAT.
BUT YOU DO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS AS PART OF YOUR APPROVAL PROCESS.
AND NOTIFICATIONS HAVE ALREADY GONE OUT.
THE ASSUMPTION HAS THE DA, NOT THE DA SEVENTH, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT WE DID FOR, WE DID FOR THE PD.
DD KEVIN, HAVE Y'ALL SAID THAT? WELL, THE DA NOT, NOT FOR THE DA.
I'M JUST AFRAID IF WE HAD A THING AND I GET THE REC CENTER THERE, THOSE FEW LOUD MOUTH WOULD ATTEMPT TO POISON THE WATER.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT.
I MEAN, WE'VE COME THIS FAR WITH THIS PROJECT AND WE KNOW THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT, WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT US TO DO, THE PUBLIC, NOT JUST US.
WHY GIVE THOSE PEOPLE A FORUM? YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S MY THOUGHT.
AND THEN I GUESS, OKAY, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO WITH YOUR BUSINESS PLAN OR HOW TO RUN YOUR BUSINESS OR WHAT PRODUCTS TO CARRY IN YOUR STORE, BUT WILL THERE BE A POSSIBILITY, WE HAVE A LOT OF GULLAH GEECHEE FOLKS THAT LIVE HERE, AND THEY DO A LOT OF APP ARTS AND CRAFTS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
WILL IT BE POSSIBLE TO CARRY SOME OF THEIR PRODUCT IN YOUR STORE? SO WE SHOWCASE THE LOCAL CULTURE AND, AND YOU KNOW, KIND OF, SORT OF BOOST THE ECONOMY FOR THEM, KIND OF.
UH, THE, ALL OF OUR STORES, WE, WE TRY AND I THINK WE'RE PRETTY GOOD AT IT TOO, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO YOU WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO A BUCKY'S, YOU KNOW, CLEAN RESTROOMS AND GOOD FOOD AND ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT, UH, AS, AS WE GO THROUGH THESE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES AND, AND CULTURAL, CULTURAL, UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, GUAG GCI IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF, OF YEAH.
WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, COOKBOOKS, WE WOULD HAVE ART, OUR FOLKS WOULD, OUR MERCHANDISING FOLKS COME OUT, YOU KNOW, SIX TO NINE MONTHS BEFORE WE OPEN A STORE, AND THEY WILL ROOT AROUND ALL OVER HARDY V AND THE COUNTY.
AND THEY WILL FIND, YOU KNOW, SOME LOCAL ARTISANS, SOME LOCAL CRAFTS PEOPLE WHO PRODUCE SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE THINK WE CAN, A, SELL IN OUR STORE.
AND B, THAT THE, THAT THE, THE PRODUCER OF THAT THING CAN KEEP UP WITH WHATEVER WE MIGHT BE SELLING.
AND IT'S ALSO UNIQUE TO THE, UH, BUT ABSOLUTELY.
WHICH ONE'S THE STORE GONNA CARRY? UH, UT UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS.
WE WILL, WE WILL CARRY ALL, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE.
BUT, BUT WE DO, I MEAN, THAT'S A FUN THING.
AND, AND WHEN WE GET INTO THE, UH, WHEN WE GET INTO THE SEC WORLD, AND ESPECIALLY IN LOCATIONS LIKE THIS, WHERE IT'S LIKE THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A BUNCH OF SOUTH CAROLINA, GEORGIA, YOU KNOW, NORTH, YOU, YOU NAME ALL THOSE.
AND, AND SO WE'LL HAVE A, EVERYBODY'S GONNA GET TO PICK DOES, I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A RUTGERS THERE.
OH, IT'S WAY TOO FAR OUT OF THE BOTTOM.
NOT ONLY ARE A LOT OF OHIO STATE PEOPLE TOO.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, BISHOP FIRST THANK YOU.
UH, YOU KNOW, AS VAL ALLUDED TO, THIS HAS BEEN THE WORST KEPT SECRET, UH, IN, IN IN LOVE COUNTRY.
I, I'LL TELL YOU A STORY, UM, IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ZOOM.
SOME, I DON'T KNOW, A YEAR AGO.
SO I GO HOME AND, AND THIS IS A TRUE STORY, VIOLENT ONE.
MY WIFE SAYS, ANNA CALLED ME AND SHE PROCEEDED TO SAY EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND I SAID, DID YOU HAVE THE ROOM BUG? OR DID NOT HAVE THE ROOM BUG? AND, UH, AS IT TURNED OUT,
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WHOEVER YOUR LAND SURVEY WAS TOLD HIS DOCTORAND THAT IS ALMOST A WORD FOR WORD.
THAT'S SO THIS IS NOT BEEN, THIS ISN'T THE WORST KEPT SECRET IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY.
ARE YOU GUYS GONNA MAKE LIKE AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT? YEAH.
WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO, SO WE'RE A LITTLE CAGEY UNTIL, WELL, YOU'RE NOT CAGEY.
NOW LOOK, I'M COMING OUT OF MY CAGE, RIGHT.
BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE COUNSEL ACTIONS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN TO GET US TO BUILD THIS PROJECT.
SO, SO WE, IT, IT'S, IT'S MY JOB TO LINE ALL OF THIS UP SO THAT WE ALL HAVE THE MOMENTUM TO, TO CARRY THIS PROJECT THROUGH PUBLIC HEARINGS AND VOTES TO GET A BUCKY'S WHEREVER WE MAY BE, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE SELLER.
WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE NOT BOUGHT WE, AND WE, WE CAMP UNTIL WE HAVE ALL OF THESE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE.
AND ONCE WE HAVE ALL OF THESE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE BECOME AN OFFICIAL THING.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL YOU'LL SEE A QUOTE FOR THERE.
ALL MY FRIENDS MAKE FUN OF ME.
'CAUSE THEY SEE QUOTES FROM ME ALL THE TIME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT BUCKY'S, WHEREVER.
BUT, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE A GROUNDBREAKING, I MEAN, WE'LL DO A BIG DEAL.
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE GONNA KNOW THAT, THAT IT'S ON ITS WAY.
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A BIG GRAND OPENING.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A SHOW FOR SURE.
WILL OUR VERBIAGE THEN FOR OUR RESOLUTION INCLUDE THE TERM BUCKYS? ARE WE GONNA STICK WITH TRAVEL PLAZA? UH, I, IT, IT IS AN HONEST QUESTION.
THE APPLICATION IS FOR TRAVEL CENTER IS GONNA BE NEXT, UH, IN TWO WEEKS.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA INVITE, IF WE'RE GONNA BE SHOWING THIS OR INVITING THE PUBLIC FOR COMMENT, WE HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE.
THE APPLICATION IS, IS TRAVEL CENTER.
BUT YOU DO, I I FORGOT YOU HAVE ONE MORE OTHER ACTION.
YOU HAVE THE, THE HIGHWAY 17 IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A BUCKY'S, WHICH IS BETWEEN BUCKY'S AND THE CITY OF PARTY MILL.
SO THAT SPECIFIC ONE, WE WILL HAVE THE NAME IN THERE AND WE COULD ALWAYS REFER TO IT IN THE PARENTHESES AS BUCKY'S.
BUT THE, THE APPLICATION IS FOR THIS PARCEL.
I'M JUST THINKING OF HOW WE TMP IN YOUR, IN YOUR TITLE, HOW WE HANDLE THAT PUBLICLY.
BECAUSE THIS IS BEING BROADCAST, RIGHT.
I'S LITTLE LOW DENSE ACROSS THE SCREEN AT THE, YOU LIKE CAROL BURNETT.
THIS IS A, A GREAT ADDITION TO HARDY BILL.
IT'S A GREAT ADDITION TO JASPER COUNTY AND IT'S, IT SORELY BRINGS JOBS THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED.
UM, IT IS A WONDERFUL SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE OVER THERE THAT HAS NOT BEEN UTILIZED BEFORE.
NOW IT, NOW IT'S BEING UTILIZED RIGHT.
AND I JUST FINISHED MY LAST BAG OF YOUR CHEDDAR, UH, NUGGETS.
YEAH, THOSE ARE, AND NOW I GOTTA MAKE ANOTHER RUN SOMEPLACE TO GET MORE OF.
MY DAUGHTER LOVES STRAWBERRY AND WHITE TEA, STRAWBERRY AND WHITE TEA.
I HAVEN'T BEEN TO ONE UNTIL I MET YOU.
WE TRYING, WE'RE TRYING TO TEACH YOU.
ROAD TRIP RESEARCH, RESEARCH IT TAKE, WE WILL GET THIS ON A, WE'LL PUT THIS ON NOVEMBER 7TH, THE AGENDA.
UM, AND THAT'LL BE FIRST REASON.
CAN WE GET A COUPLE OF POSTER BOARD SIZE? THESE TWO? PUT IT THE HALLWAY.
YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN THAT WE CAN THIS TEAM OVER HERE.
NO, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE GRAPHICS.
MR. MAYOR, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.
SO, UM, IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, DO WE HAVE A MO MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO A SECOND? SECOND.