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THERE'S AN EXTRA SEAT OF IF YOU LET SIT THIS WAY.
SO IF YOU WANNA SIT HERE, JB NO, YOU, I CAN ALWAYS TURN MIKE.
SEE, THOUGHT WAS EASIER FOR Y'ALL TO, WE ALL SEE, HAD SOME GREAT INFORMATION IN DEPTH.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN ABOUT ABOUT 60? WE'RE BE IN 20 MINUTES.
SOME, WE'RE GONNA LOSE PEOPLE, SO I WANTED TO GET HIM IN.
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THANK YOU.UH, FIRST I HAVE TO CALL MEETING DAUGHTER.
[I. CALL TO ORDER]
UM, THIS IS A CITY OF HARVILLE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP 2 0 5 MAIN STREET, HARVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, 2 9 9 7, THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2024 AT 2:00 PM THIS IS A WORKSHOP.THE RULES OF WATER ARE RELAXED.
UM, THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IS PLEASE WAIT TO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER AS, UH, UH, YIELD OF THE FLOOR BEFORE YOU JUMP IN.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MR. BROWN.
UH, IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE WITH EVERYBODY TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THIS, UH, VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC.
[1. PINE ARBOR AREA DRAINAGE STUDY]
UH, AS EVERYONE KNOWS BACK, UH, DURING TROPICAL STORM, DEBBIE PINE HARBOR ROAD, UH, UH, THERE WAS SOME SIGNIFICANT FLOODING OUT THERE, PARTICULARLY, UH, IN FRONT OF, UH,UH, BUT, UH, IT, IT, IT, IT BASICALLY BROUGHT TO, UH, OUR ATTENTION, UH, THE GREAT NEED TO DO SOME WORK OUT THERE AND, AND TO, TO GET SOME THINGS DONE.
SO THIS IS A BRIEF IS GOING TO BE, UH, HOPEFULLY FAIRLY QUICK TO GET THROUGH IT, TO, UH, GIVE YOU SOME IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
IT TOOK US A WHILE TO GET, UM, ALL THE, THE DATA AND ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEEDED.
UH, BUT I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE FAIRLY, UH, CONFIDENT.
WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT ACTUALLY ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE NEXT.
ALRIGHT, SOME, SOME KEY POINTS HERE.
ALREADY MENTIONED TROPICAL STORM.
DEBBIE, UH, ABOUT 1.3 MILES OF PLANTAR ROAD WAS AFFECTED.
WE SEE ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT AREAS OF CONCERN THAT WE'RE GONNA REALLY START FOCUSING IN ON.
YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE FOUND AS FAR AS HOW MUCH RAIN ACTUALLY FELL OVER FOUR DAYS.
IT SAYS 12 INCHES, BUT MOST OF THAT FELL THE FIRST NIGHT, ABOUT NINE INCHES OF RAIN.
YOU LOOK AT, UH, NOAH'S, UH, INFORMATION THERE, THAT RANGE RIGHT THERE GIVES YOU ABOUT A 24 HOUR, UH, UH, STORM IF YOU, OR EXCUSE ME, A 100 YEAR STORM OVER 24 HOURS.
UH, AND SO WE'RE RIGHT IN THAT, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS.
SO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A 50 AND A HUNDRED YEAR STORM, I THINK IS WHAT WE EXPERIENCED.
SYSTEMS OVERWHELMED OUT THERE, OBVIOUSLY OVERWHELMED, WATER FLOW RESTRICTED, UH, IN DIFFERENT AREAS.
IMPROVEMENTS ARE DEFINITELY NECESSARY.
UH, AND THE MORGAN TRACK AS WELL AS THE CAR TRACK, I THINK I SPELL CAR RIGHT.
UH, CAR TRACK DEVELOPMENT ARE GOING TO NEED TO CONSIDER THIS AS THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS COME UP? ALRIGHT, SO AGAIN, WE MENTIONED, UH, THREE AREAS OF CONCERN.
I'VE GOT 'EM LISTED OUT HERE FOR YOU.
I'VE GOT TWO POINTS OF REFERENCE.
FROM THIS POINT ON, IT'LL BE
AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE, UH, THE COOLER'S RESIDENCE.
BY THE WAY, I HAD THE, UH, I HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION WITH MS. COOLER, UH, BUT AS WE WERE GETTING ALL THIS PULLED TOGETHER, SHE GAVE ME SOME REALLY, REALLY GOOD INFORMATION.
UH, AND SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO STAY IN TOUCH WITH HER, UH, THAT FAMILY AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
I'M ALSO SHOWING THE MILLSTONE LANDING DEVELOPMENT HERE.
UH, AND THAT'S GONNA COME INTO PLAY HERE IN JUST A SECOND.
ALRIGHT, SO LET'S LOOK AT, UH, AREA ONE.
WHAT I'VE GOT HERE NOW IS A CHOKE POINT.
I CALL OUT A CHOKE POINT, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE.
UH, IT'S, IT'S THE ENTRANCE ROAD.
MOVING INTO THE MILLSTONE LANDING AREA.
WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT HERE IN A SECOND.
THESE ARE THE HIGHEST ELEVATION POINTS AROUND.
IT CREATES A TROUGH WHERE WATER FLOWS BETWEEN THE TWO RIGHT STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE CHOKE POINT.
I'M GONNA CLICK TO ANOTHER SLIDE REAL QUICK.
THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH INFORMATION ON THE FLOW.
SO THE LARGE BLUE ARROWS BASICALLY IS THE GENERAL FLOW OF WATER IN THE AREA.
STORM WATER FLOW, THE SMALLER THE THINNER BLUE ARROWS INDICATE CHANNEL FLOW AS FAR AS THE DITCHES DOWN THE ROADWAY.
IF YOU LOOK UP IN, UP IN HERE, THERE ARE DITCHES THAT ARE BRINGING WATER FROM THE NORTH SOUTH THAT GO THROUGH THAT CHECKPOINT.
SO THEY GO BACK TO THIS ONE HERE.
AGAIN, THAT CHOKE POINT IS GOING TO BE VITAL.
THIS RIGHT HERE, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UH, IN THIS BRIEF MOVE ON THERE.
I DON'T GET TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
I'VE GOT THIS LINKED THE NEXT.
'CAUSE IF I HIT IT RIGHT NOW, IT WILL ACTUALLY LINK TO THAT SLIDE I WAS JUST ON.
I NEEDED TO FORWARD TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
CAN YOU JUST HIT THE ARROW THERE FOR ME? OKAY, GREAT.
THIS BRINGS IT INTO MORE OF A MORE TECHNICAL, IF YOU WILL.
UM, UH, UH, PICTURE OF THE SAME AREA AGAIN, YOU SEE J C'S HOME JUST ABOVE OFF THE SLIDE THERE.
WHAT I'M SHOWING HERE IS THERE'S THE FIRST OF 4 38 PIPES THAT TAKE WATER ACROSS
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PINE ARBOR ROAD FROM WEST TO EAST.IT'S PICKING UP A LOT OF WATER ON THE WEST SIDE OF PINE ARBOR AND IT'S MOVING IT TO THE EAST.
AND IT'S ALSO BEING JOINED BY ALL THIS WATER UP HERE THAT'S COMING DOWN.
IT COMES DOWN INTO THIS ONE, INTO THIS ONE DITCH LINE RIGHT HERE.
IT LITERALLY MAKES A DOG LEG 90 DEGREE AND THEN IT STARTS TO MEANDER DOWN THROUGH THIS AREA INTO THE CHOKE POINT.
WHAT I SHOW HERE IS THE CHOKE 0.3 LARGE 36 INCH PIPES THAT MILLSTONE LANDING PUT IN.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE NUMBERS THERE, THAT'S ABOUT ROUGHLY 21 SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING FOR FLOW THAT'S GOING THROUGH THAT AREA.
ALRIGHT? AND AGAIN, A LOT OF FLOW IS COMING THROUGH THIS AREA.
UH, IF YOU LOOK UP AT SOME OF THE INFORMATION I'VE GIVEN HERE FROM, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, DOES THESE AREAS HAVE TO BE CHECKED FOR THE TWO 10 YEAR, 24 HOUR EVENT STORMS, WHICH WE FOUND OUT LOOKING IN THE FILE THAT THEY WERE, I ACTUALLY TALKED TO WARD EDWARD YESTERDAY AND HE RE UH, HE UH, RECONFIRMED THAT THE ENGINEER YES, ACTUALLY DESIGNED THIS FOR 100 YEAR STORM, WHICH MEANS THAT THE WATER SHOULD FLOW THROUGH THIS WITHOUT COMING OVER THE TOP AND INTO THE ROAD.
WE DIDN'T SEE THAT DURING THIS STORM.
SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE DESIGNED PROPERLY.
THE QUESTION THOUGH IS DO WE HAVE ENOUGH FLOW GOING THROUGH THERE? MAYBE WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TO GET MORE FLOW GOING THROUGH THERE.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UH, IN THIS, IF WE COULD PUT A BOX CULVERT, WHAT I SAY RIGHT HERE, A BOX CULVERT, SEVEN FOOT BY FIVE FOOT, UH, THAT WOULD GIVE US 35 SQUARE FEET ROUGHLY OF FLOW THROUGH THERE.
AND THAT'S ABOUT ONE AND A HALF TIMES GREATER OF THE FLOW RATE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
WHERE DID YOU PUT THAT CORNER THEN? I DIDN'T.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS A PICTURE WHERE YOU SHOW THOSE THREE CULVERTS CULVERTS COMING OUT.
SO IS IT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CLEANED OUT? IS IT BECAUSE THEY'RE CLO OR IS IT BECAUSE IT IS INADEQUATE? THEY ARE.
THEY ARE, THEY ARE, THEY'RE CLEAR.
THEY'RE CLEAR OF ANY KIND OF OBSTRUCTION THAT GOES THROUGH THERE.
YOU'VE GOT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SO MUCH WATER THAT'S GOING TO FLOW FROM THE NORTH, FROM THE WEST, AND IT'S ALL GONNA COME DOWN THROUGH THIS CHANNEL TO THIS CHOKE POINT, TO THESE THREE PIPES.
IT'S A LOT OF FLOW, A HUGE AMOUNT OF FLOW.
THESE ARE DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN.
I'M GONNA SHOW YOU A VIDEO HERE IN A SECOND.
I THINK MS. GUZMAN, YOU'LL APPRECIATE, 'CAUSE YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT A VERY SIMILAR TOPIC OUT AT HILTON HEAD LAKES.
BUT THAT TELLS ME THAT THIS IS DESIGNED FOR THAT A HUNDRED YEAR, RIGHT? THAT, THAT, THAT THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, THE, IT'S FLOWING VERY WELL.
YOU LOOK, IT'S HIGH ON THIS SIDE.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT LOWER ON THE, OUT, ON THE OUTFLOW SIDE OF IT.
IT'S JUST TAKING TIME TO GET THROUGH THERE.
YOU DON'T WANT TO JUST HAVE FREE FLOW OUT THERE.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA PUT A LOT OF WATER DOWNSTREAM.
IT'S GONNA CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR PEOPLE DOWNSTREAM.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM,
OKAY, SO WITH THIS ONE, I WANTED TO SHOW A QUICK VIDEO I'M LINK TO ACTUALLY, NO.
CAN YOU SHOW THE THREE POINT VIDEO REAL QUICK? THE MOUSE.
YOU'VE GOT THE MOUSE OUT HERE.
THE REASON WHY YOU WOULDN'T USING THIS HERE, ROD, THEN GET SOME NICE STUFF.
THE REASON WHY YOU WOULDN'T, BECAUSE I GOT LINKS.
JEWEL, FROM MY DEPARTMENT, HE'S OUT THERE AND HE'S LOOKING AT IT.
NOW WATCH THIS, THAT HOUSE ON SECOND AND THERE'S A THIRD ONE UP THERE.
SO WHAT THAT PIPE, THOSE MAN WATER WAS ABOUT, IT WAS ABOUT FOUR FEET AT THAT TIME.
SO THAT'S A VIDEO THAT SHOWS YOU THAT THE WATER IS ACTUALLY RUNNING THROUGH THERE.
IT BRING THE SLIDE DECK BACK UP, BUT THE WATER DID GO ABOVE THE PIPES.
IT DID, BUT IT DID NOT GO ABOVE OVER THE ITSELF.
IT DIDN'T THE ROAD BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE EVEN BEYOND THOSE PIPES THAT IT WAS UP PRETTY HIGH.
AND THIS WAS JUST A TROPICAL STORM, RIGHT? IT WAS IT HURRICANE? WELL, IT WASN'T AN AVERAGE
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TROPICAL STORM.NO, THIS WAS, THIS WAS A HUNDRED.
IS THIS CONSIDERED A HUNDRED YEAR OR 15 WAS BACK SECOND.
YOUR STORMS, JOHN, WAS THIS CONSIDERED A HUNDRED OR 50 STORM? SO, SO AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE ACTUAL, UH, THE INCHES OF RAIN OVER 24 HOURS A DAY, WE GOT, WHAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT IS ABOUT NINE INCHES OF RAIN.
TYPICALLY FOR THIS AREA, IF YOU LOOK AT NOAH, THE AVERAGES AT ABOUT 10 10.1.
BUT THERE, THERE IS A RANGE FROM 8.87 INCHES TO 11.1 INCHES.
THAT, THAT OVER 24 HOURS, THE INTENSITY, UH, WOULD BE CONSIDERED A ONE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.
BUT WE'RE AT NINE, SO WE'RE BARELY IN THAT.
SO DEPENDING IF THE DATA IS CORRECT OR NOT, IT COULD BE 50, IT COULD BE A HUNDRED, BUT I'M SAYING IT'S A HUNDRED.
SO, SO THAT WAS CONSIDERED, YOU SAY ABOUT A HUNDRED YEAR STORM? I THINK SO, YES.
AND THAT WAS JUST A TROPICAL STORM.
BUT, BUT IT WAS, BUT, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS A TROPICAL STORM THAT, THAT SAT ON TOP OF US.
YEAH, IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T MOVE.
IF IT WOULD'VE MOVED, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD'VE SEEN NEAR THE AMOUNT OF RAIN THAT WE ACTUALLY GOT.
BUT I, I THINK I'VE GOT ANOTHER, UH, PICTURE HERE.
OKAY, THIS PICTURE HERE TAKES US BACK TO MARCH OF 2008.
WHAT THE CHOKE POINT APPEARS TO BE IS JUST A SMALL CHANNEL RIGHT? TO ALLOW WATER TO FLOW.
HERE'S PINE ARB RUIN RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS PINE ARBOR RIGHT HERE TO ALLOW WATER TO FLOW THROUGH THIS, THROUGH THAT SMALL CHANNEL.
NOW, WHAT I THINK PROBABLY WAS HAPPENING BACK AT THAT TIME WAS IF WE GOT A LOT OF RAIN AND IT OVERWHELMED THAT SMALL CHANNEL, IT WOULD JUST FLOW INTO THE BIGGER AREA.
IT WASN'T BEING CONTROLLED BY THREE PIPES.
I JUST WANTED TO LAY THAT OUT THERE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN MARCH OF 2008.
ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE ONE SIR.
ALL OF THIS IS BASED ON CLEAR FLOWING.
IF WE DO HAVE A HURRICANE, WE HAVE TREES AND OTHER ITEMS COMING DOWN THAT'S GONNA AFFECT ALL OF THIS.
I THINK ALL BETS ARE OFF AT THAT POINT.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING OUT THERE AFTER THE FACT AND GETTING THINGS OPENED BACK UP SO WATER CAN FLOW.
AND WHOSE JOB IS THAT? THAT'S PUBLIC WORKS.
SO PUBLIC WORKS FIRE DEPARTMENT GETS OUT THERE AND CUTS TREES THAT, THAT ARE ACROSS THE ROAD.
AND SO, SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S A TEAM EFFORT.
IT'S A JOINT EFFORT FOR US TO GET OUT THERE AND TAKE CARE OF THOSE THINGS.
SO AS A PREEMPTION TO ALL OF THIS STUFF, BECAUSE WE CAN ASSUME THAT THESE ARE NOT ASSUME YEAH.
ASSUME THAT THESE ARE GOING TO BE HAPPENING BECAUSE WE SEE IT NOW IN BLACK AND WHITE IN TECHNICOLOR.
WOULDN'T IT BEHOOVE THE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE BUILDING OVER THERE TO TAKE THOSE PRECAUTIONS TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS STUFF AGAIN? SO YEAH, SO, SO DEVELOPMENTS ARE, ARE IN CHARGE OF THEIR STORMWATER.
ANYTHING THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEIR, UH, DEVELOPMENT PRODUCES, THEY HAVE TO CONTROL THE RATE.
IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN WHAT PRE-CONSTRUCTION WAS.
THEIR POST POST-CONSTRUCTION HAS TO BE AT OR LESS THAN THEIR PRE-CONSTRUCTION.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? YEAH.
SO THE, THE STORM WATER THEY'RE PUTTING OUT, UH, IS, IS CONTROLLED THROUGH, UH, DETENTION OR RETENTION PONDS.
RIGHT? THAT'S HOW THEY CONTROL THAT.
AND THEN THEY, THEY, THEY METER IT OUT INTO THE SYSTEM SO THAT THE, THE POST-CONSTRUCTION DOESN'T OVERWHELM THE PRECONSTRUCTION.
SO, SO THEY ARE ALREADY DOING THEIR PART AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S SRC AND, AND, AND BRANDON AND HER FOLKS ARE ALL ABOUT AS FAR AS WHEN THE DEVELOPER COMES IN WITH THEIR PLANS, THEY'RE SCRUTINIZED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS INDEED HAPPENING.
SO THESE ARE BASED ON THE THEORIES FROM WHEN, LIKE HOW OLD IS IS ALL OF THIS INFORMATION? A LOT? SO THIS INFORMATION CURRENT FROM OLD ANTIQUATED, NO, NO, NO, NO.
THIS INFORMATION IS FROM, UH, MYSELF AND MY TEAM ACTUALLY OUT THERE OBSERVING THIS.
WE'RE, WE'RE OUT THERE OBSERVING WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
THIS, THIS, UH, THIS RIGHT HERE, THIS CHOKE POINT IS FAIRLY NEW.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YEAR THAT WAS BUILT, BUT IS FAIRLY NEW.
IT WAS IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
THERE WAS NO STONE JUST STARTED.
SO, SO IT, IT'S, IT'S, UH, I I THINK IT WAS 2019 WHEN THE PLANS ACTUALLY GOT APPROVED.
I THINK FOR PHASE ONE, I BELIEVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT AS FAR AS GETTING IT ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED, I THINK IT'S BEEN MORE RECENT THAN THAT.
AND JOHN, WHAT, GOING BACK ON WHAT SHE WAS SAYING, UM, THE, THE THREE PIPES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE ADD LIKE ANOTHER PIPE? I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE KIND OF ALLUDING TO, WEREN'T YOU? NO.
MAKE A BIGGER ONE OR ADD ANOTHER SO, SO RESPONSIBILITY IS THAT, THAT'S THE DEVELOPER THAT'S ON THAT'S ON MILLSTONE LANDING'S PROPERTY.
WE APPROVED THE CITY, APPROVED THEM TO PUT THAT IN THERE.
THAT'S PART OF THE SRC PROCESS IS TO APPROVE THAT.
RIGHT? NOW, COULD WE GO BACK TO THE DEVELOPER AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE MIGHT LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS.
MIGHT NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
'CAUSE NOW WE HAVE THE DATA FROM DEBBIE THAT SAYS, HEY, MAYBE, MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS.
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BUT, BUT AGAIN, I, I DON'T KNOW, SINCE IT DIDN'T OVERFLOW THE ROAD, WHETHER THEY WOULD BE AGREEABLE ON THAT.THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S KIND OF A RECOMMENDATION I'M MAKING TOWARDS THE END OF, OF THE DEBRIS HERE.
DID THERE, UM, RETENTION POND OR ANY OF THAT OVERFLOW WITH THAT OR, SO I DIDN'T SEE, I DID NOT SEE ANY OF THEIR RETENTION PONDS.
THEY GOT VERY HIGH, GOT VERY CLOSE.
I, NO ONE GOT HIGH, BUT I NEVER SAW IT, EVER.
AND THE THING ABOUT IT IS, THE WAY THEY'VE DESIGNED THAT IS THEY DESIGNED THAT SO THAT IF THEY DO OVERFLOW, THEY WILL OVERFLOW INTO THIS FLOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT COULD THEN CREATE AN ISSUE WHERE IT'S GOING OVER THE ROAD.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, JOHN? YEAH.
ARE THESE, IF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT COMES ALONG ON, UH, PINE ARBOR AND YES, THE, THE DEVELOPERS ARE REQUIRED TO, UH, SRC TO, TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN STORM WATER, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS A PERCENTAGE OF IT THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE THESE FLOWS.
LIKE THIS ONE HERE COMING ACROSS MILLSTONE LANDINGS PROPERTY.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THE DAY COMES WHEN THOSE THREE CANNOT HANDLE THE FLOW? WELL THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF, WHO'S WHO.
SO THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
SO LET, LET'S, LET'S BACK THAT UP.
LET'S SAY UPSTREAM OF THAT TRO POINT, THERE'S ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT, ALRIGHT? LET'S SAY MORGAN OR CAR IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE DOWNSTREAM OF THAT.
BUT, BUT MORGAN, MAYBE THEY'RE, THEY'RE ADDING SOMETHING TO THIS.
IT'S UP TO MORGAN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DOWNSTREAM EFFECT WOULD BE.
BY THEM ADDING SOMETHING TO IT.
AND THEN THEY HAVE TO DESIGN THEIR DEVELOPMENT TO ADJUST FOR THAT.
TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, UNTIL I SAW THIS, THE HANDOUT STUFF, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, HARRY, IF YOU HAVE THOUGHT, BUT I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE MORGAN TRACK, EVEN THOUGH I SHOULD HAVE, HOW IT CAN AFFECT IT.
I, I THOUGHT OF IT BECAUSE AGAIN, TALKING TO MS. COOLER, YOU KNOW, JOHN AND I MET WITH HER AND JOHN SUBSEQUENTLY MET WITH HER AGAIN.
BUT YOU KNOW, ONE, AND YOU'VE HEARD OVER AND OVER PEOPLE SAYING THAT THE DEVELOPMENTS EVEN FROM MARGARITAVILLE IS AFFECTING THIS AREA, NOT ONLY HERE, BUT ENTIRELY THROUGH DOWNTOWN.
RIGHT NOW, I'M, I WOULD'VE TO RELY ON JOHN WHAT THAT EFFECT IS.
BUT IF THAT IS TRUE TO ANY EXTENT, MORGAN'S JUST GONNA ADD TO THE SITUATION.
OH, THAT'S EXACTLY, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
AND SO THE, THE SOLUTION, IT HAS TO BE CRITICAL, BUT ALSO THE SOLUTION.
AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT.
WHATEVER THEY BRING TO THE TABLE, I'M HOPING, OR I WOULD EXPECT THAT IT WOULD CORRECT WHAT'S CURRENTLY HAPPENING BECAUSE PINE ARBOR HAS FLOODED UP TO THOSE HOUSES WITH A LOT LESS RENT.
UH, THIS ISN'T, THIS MAY HAVE BEEN THE WORST, BUT IT ISN'T THE FIRST.
AND I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH A COUPLE THINGS HERE THAT I THINK WE, WE TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, AS FAR AS HOW MAYBE WE CAN STOP SOME OF THAT GETTING SO FAR UP INTO THESE YARDS.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS AREA OF CONCERN ONE, WE'RE NOW LEAVING JCS HOME, ALTHOUGH I INDICATED AT THE BOTTOM THERE, YOU'RE OFF THIS, UH, SLIDE NOW, UH, THIS IS AREA OF CONCERN TWO, I BROKE IT UP INTO TWO PORTIONS.
AREA OF CONCERN TOO, I THINK IS OUR LARGEST AREA OF CONCERN.
THIS ONE, HOWEVER, IS NOT SO MUCH THE MAJOR.
THE SECOND OF FOUR PIPES IS LOCATED HERE.
AS YOU CAN SEE THE, THE 30 INCH PIPE RIGHT HERE, TAKING WATER FROM WEST TO EAST, WE SEE THAT IT'S FAIRLY OPEN.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S RUNNING GOOD, BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF WORK IN THERE AS WELL.
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS WE SEE THAT THAT WATER FLOWS THROUGH A DITCH AND THEN THAT FLOWS SOUTH, RIGHT? THAT FLOWS SOUTH.
THAT GETS TO THE CHOKE POINT AS WELL.
SO ALL OF THIS WATER IS ALSO FLOWING THAT WAY, BUT WE ALSO SEE AS, AS I INDICATE RIGHT HERE, SOME WATER SEEMS TO BE FLOATING BACK INTO THE WETLAND AREA AND THAT'S GOING TOWARDS THE NORTH.
SO IT'S A VERY INTERESTING THING THAT'S HAPPENING HERE, UH, AS WE, AS WE'VE WATCHED THIS FLOW.
UM, SO WITH THAT, JOHN, LEMME JUST ASK THE QUESTION JUST FROM, TO GIVE MY BEARING.
AS I RECALL THE ORIGINAL, UH, MILLSTONE LANDING THAT CONTINUES TO GO BEHIND PINE ARBOR ROAD, HOW FAR DOWN DOES IS THAT GOING TO GO? BECAUSE THAT ALSO COULD AFFECT NOT JUST MORGAN.
SO, SO YOU REMEMBER, LET, LET, LEMME I, I HAVE TO SEE A BIGGER MAP.
YEAH,
MILL STOP LANDING WHERE IT IS.
THAT'S, UH, GOING TO CONTINUE.
UH, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? NORTH? YES.
AND THERE'S 600 HOMES PLANNED, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING NORTH.
SO RIGHT HERE, RIGHT, RIGHT HERE.
YOU SEE THE DOMINION EASEMENT RIGHT HERE? MM-HMM.
WE'RE ABOVE THAT NOW WHERE WE'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW.
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YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT.THIS MILLSTONE LANDING LIKELY, AND HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS, BRANDON, ON YOU GUYS, THERE'S A HUGE WETLAND THAT SEPARATES THE TWO PARTS OF MILLSTONE LANDING.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT THAT FLOW GOING IS RIGHT THROUGH THAT WETLAND THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE DISTURBED.
I GUESS MY POINT IS, MILLSTONE LANDING IS APPROVED FOR 600 HOMES AND RIGHT NOW LET'S, THERE A COUPLE DOZEN, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ENGINEERED.
JUST THAT FIRST SECTION HAS BEEN ENGINEERED.
WE HAVEN'T MOVED PAST THAT WETLAND TO THE NEXT AREA.
OH, MY ONLY POINT IS, AS THEY CONTINUE TO GET BILLED TO THAT 600 HOME MARK, IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO BRING MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
AND, BUT AGAIN, THEY HAVE TO CONTROL THAT, THAT DEVELOPER HAS, THEY CAN'T RELEASE THAT OFF THEIR SITE.
THEY HAVE TO DO MORE EVERY, EVERY PHASE OF THAT SECTION.
THEY, THEY HAVE TO CONTROL THAT.
UM, ALL RIGHT, SO WE WERE HERE, THIS WAS, UH, THE SECTION THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
THIS IS THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF AREA OF CONCERN TOO.
AGAIN, UH, THE LARGE, UH, ARROW SHOW THE GENERAL FLOW, THE SMALLER AREA, UH, SKIN AREA WILL SHOW THE, UM, THE CHANNEL FLOW.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE THE BEAUFORT, JASPER, UH, PUMP STATION THAT SITS RIGHT HERE.
UH, OUTSIDE OF THAT, THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH IN THAT AREA.
SO I'M GONNA ADVANCE ON FROM THERE.
IT WAS OVERWHELMED AND, AND IT WAS SEVERAL HOUSES.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY BUILT UP OFF THE GROUND.
SO AS WE GET INTO THE NORTHERN SECTION OF THIS, NOW WE'RE IN THE NORTHERN SECTION OF AREA CONTROL TWO.
WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS I'VE GOT RED CIRCLES THAT SHOW THE AREAS WHERE THE HOUSES WERE INUNDATED WITH FLOOD WIRES.
AND THEN YOU SEE UP HERE, 9 83 PINE, UH, PINE HARBOR ROAD.
THAT'S WHERE THE COOLERS LIVE.
SO WHAT WE SEE GOING ON IN THIS AREA, UH, IS A MAJOR BACKUP OF FLOOD WATERS.
UM, ACTUALLY, UH, IF I COULD, CAN YOU PLAY THAT OTHER VIDEO FOR ME? YEAH.
THAT IS, THAT MS. COOLER PROVIDED A, UH, PRETTY GOOD VIDEO TO SHOW COMING OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY.
WHAT DID IT LOOK LIKE? RIGHT HERE.
THAT WAS LOOKING SOUTH RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN THEY DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN SHOWING YOU THE FLOOD.
NOW THIS SHOULD ALL BE GOING INTO THOSE DITCHES ACROSS PINE ARBOR AND THEN DOWN TOWARDS THE CHOKE POINT.
THAT'S WHERE THIS SHOULD BE GOING.
WELL, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT HERE A SECOND.
AGAIN, THAT, THAT'S THE MOST I'VE EVER SEEN.
HOUSES, THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME'S PRINTED UP DOOR.
THE HOUSE THAT'S RIGHT BEFORE THE PUMP STATION I THINK GOT HIT THE WORST.
RIGHT? THAT ONE WE JUST SAW BECAUSE THERE'S THE PUMP STATION.
ALRIGHT, YOU THERE? LEMME GET THAT BACK FROM YOU SO I CAN DO THE LENGTH THING.
THOSE HOMES EVEN A LOT LESS RAIN AND IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF, TWO OR THREE TIMES.
ALRIGHT, SO AS WE CONTINUE ON, AGAIN, THE, THE RED CIRCLES SHOW WHERE THE HOUSES WERE AT.
UH, AND, AND THEY REALLY, THEY REALLY SUFFERED.
SO AS WE MOVE, MOVE ON FROM HERE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING TOO IS THIS VERY LARGE HOUSE SITTING HERE JUST TO THE NORTH OF, UH, WHERE THE COOLERS LIVE.
THERE'S SOME DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING BACK HERE.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET BACK THERE, BUT WE THINK IT MIGHT BE AFFECTING SOME FLOW.
AND HERE'S WHERE I'M GONNA SHOW YOU ON THIS NEXT SLIDE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE WHERE 9 83 LAR IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE.
AND HERE'S THAT BIG HOUSE, THIS NATURAL FLOW CHANNEL RIGHT HERE, I THINK IS GETTING AFFECTED BY SOMETHING THAT'S GOING ON HERE.
I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT YET, BUT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO PICK UP WATER AND TAKE IT OUT OF THE AREA.
ALRIGHT? THIS SLIDE ALSO SHOWS YOU WHERE THE WETLANDS SIT IN THAT GENERAL AREA AS WELL.
YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE LIGHTER GREEN.
AND THEN DOWN BELOW YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE CHOKE POINT'S AT RIGHT HERE.
IS THERE A FRIEND THAT WE'VE HAD? YES, I BELIEVE SO.
FROM WHAT I CAN TELL ON THAT, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO TELL FROM THAT.
SO WE CAN KEEP MOVING ON THIS.
UH, I'M GONNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
THE NEXT SLIDE IS GONNA STAY IN THE SAME GENERAL AREA.
NOW HERE'S WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, YOU SEE 9 83 PAR, UH, WHICH IS, UH, THE COOLER'S HOUSE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM IS ANOTHER.
THIS IS THE THIRD PIPE THAT TAKES WATER FROM WEST TO EAST.
HERE'S ONE, HERE'S THE INLET TO THAT PIPE.
I CAN'T EVEN SEE THE END OF THE PIPE.
ALRIGHT? SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME WORK ON THAT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK TO THOSE FOLKS OUT THERE AS TO HOW THEY CAN HELP US KEEP THEIR DITCH LINES CLEAR, RIGHT? BECAUSE I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENING IS WE MIGHT HAVE,
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UH, LANDSCAPE WORK GOING ON OUT THERE AND A LOT OF THAT'S GETTING PUSHED INTO THE DITCH LINES.AND THAT EVENTUALLY IS GONNA CAUSE IT THE CLOCK RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD RIGHT HERE.
THIS HOUSE LITERALLY, OR ACTUALLY THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE BUILT WHAT I'M CALLING A LAND BRIDGE IS LIKE A DIVERSION.
SO THAT HE DIDN'T WANT WATER COMING ACROSS THE ROAD AND INTO HIS YARD.
IT SHOULD FLOW FREELY DOWN THIS DITCH LINE AND THEN SOUTH DOWN THIS DITCH LINE.
BUT SINCE THERE WAS SOMETHING BUILT HERE, UH, IT'S DIVERTING FLOW TO THE NORTH.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU ON THIS NEXT SLIDE.
HERE'S A CLOSER UP PICTURE OF THAT.
HERE'S THE PIPE I JUST DISCUSSED WITH YOU RIGHT HERE.
THERE'S ANOTHER PIPE RIGHT THERE I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A SECOND.
BUT THIS 30 INCH PIPE SHOULD BE PICKING UP WATER COMES ACROSS, IT'S HITTING THIS MANMADE DAM, THIS DIVERSION, AND IT'S WANTING TO GO NORTH.
OKAY? INSTEAD OF IT GOING ITS NATURAL FLOW PATTERN PAST THIS HOUSE AND THEN SOUTH OF THAT SOUTH FROM THAT HOUSE, IT'S ACTUALLY DIVERTING IT NORTH.
I THINK THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALLOWING THE WATER TO FLOW IN THE WAY IT WANTS TO FLOW.
WATER WANTS TO FLOW DOWNHILL, IT WANTS TO FLOW.
WHAT WE'RE HAVING HERE IS THE WATER'S COMING THROUGH, IT'S GOING NORTH, AND THEN IT'S COMPETING AGAINST ANOTHER FLOW.
AND I THINK THAT IS A HUGE BLOCKAGE THAT WE'RE HAVING.
AND THAT'S WHERE MY FOLKS ARE GONNA START TAKING A LOOK AT.
THAT IS HOW WE CAN, WE CAN DO SOME WORK.
NOW, ON THE 9TH OF SEPTEMBER, I WENT OUT THERE AND I STOOD ON THAT SECOND PIPE.
IT'S OKAY, JOHN, YOU'RE DOING GREAT.
WHERE'S THE CORNER AT? YOU NEED THE OTHER, I I STOOD ON THIS PIPE RIGHT HERE AND I LOOKED SOUTH.
I TURNED AROUND AND LOOKED NORTH.
YOU COULD SEE A CLEAR DIFFERENCE.
SOMETHING'S BLOCKING THOSE PIPES UP.
IS THAT LANDBRIDGE ON, UH, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? UH, IT IS NOT.
I BELIEVE IT'S FURTHER IN THE AREA OF NOW WHAT? I'LL SAY THAT THAT'S A GREAT BE THE EASY ANSWER.
THAT THAT, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
BECAUSE THEN YOU GOTTA THINK, IF WE PUT A PIPE HERE AND THERE'S A DITCH THERE, THAT SHOULD BE RIGHT AWAY THAT THE CITY OWNS.
THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING THAT SHOULD BE.
AND THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET OUT THERE AND REMOVE THAT.
I THINK WE'RE, WE SHOULD DO THAT ANYWAY.
SAY, HEY, WE NEED THIS WATER TO FLOW THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO FLOW.
THIS, UM, THAT BRIAN IS THIS MANMADE DAMN SOMETHING THAT IS LEGAL? UH, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
SO IF IT'S NOT LEGAL, WE COULD, WE COULD TAKE ACTION TO THAT, THAT IDEALLY REMOVAL.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO THIS.
THE, THE PICTURE DOESN'T KNOW JUSTICE, BUT IT IS, IT'S, IT I THINK IS, IS CAUSING A, A BLOCKAGE THERE FOR US AS WE MOVE ON.
WE'RE UP TO THE FOURTH PIPE, UH, THAT TAKES WATER FROM THE WEST TO THE EAST.
THIS IS UP AT THE HERITAGE PLACE COMMUNITY, RIGHT UP, UP THE ROAD A LITTLE WAYS.
THIS IS NOT SO MUCH A PROBLEM IN ITSELF BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF HIGH LAND.
SO WATER'S RUNNING OFF OF THIS TOWARDS THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH, BUT WATER THAT DOES FLOW ACROSS, UH, PINE ARBOR RIGHT HERE.
IT'S IN THE CHANNEL AND THEN IT GOES INTO SOME UNDERGROUND PIPING BACK INTO A CHANNEL, INTO THIS RETENTION POND.
THIS RETENTION POND'S BUILT SO THAT WHEN IT FILLS UP TO CAPACITY, THERE'S A WEIR THAT ALLOWS WATER TO FLOW OUTTA THAT AND THAT WATER FLOWS DOWN SOUTH.
WHERE DOES THAT WATER GO? CHOKE POINT.
CHOKE POINT, RIGHT? SO, SO THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE HERE IS THERE'S A LOT OF FLOW THAT'S COMING SOUTH TO THAT CHOKE POINT, ALRIGHT? AND AS THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS COME OUT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN, WHAT CAN BE DONE.
SO WITH ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS COMING UP IN, IN, IN THE AREA, AND, AND WE ARE NOTICING BECAUSE OF THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES THAT, THAT THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE CREATING, CANNOT WE, WHY CAN'T WE UP THE ANTE ON THEM AND HAVE THINGS CHANGE WHERE IT IS IMPROVED INSTEAD OF US LEAVING IT THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW? CAN WE DO THAT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
MAY I, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS IS LIKE THAT SITUATION WHERE THE MANMADE DAM WAS RIGHT? THAT'S NOT IN A DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S SOME HOMEOWNER THAT JUST DECIDED TO, TO DO THAT, TO BLOCK OFF.
YEAH, NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENTS IN GENERAL.
WE ARE, WE HAVE TO, I MEAN, INSTEAD OF IT GOING ON THE, OKAY, UH, THREE, THREE OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE OKAY OVER HERE.
BUT THINKING OF THE FUTURE GOING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY LESS IS MORE.
I I AM ALWAYS MO IS MO IS BETTER KIND OF PERSON.
SO CAN WE NOT HAVE THEM DO SOMETHING BETTER THAN WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW? AND BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE EXPECTING, HAVE MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT HAS BEEN DONE.
OUR, OUR OUR ORDINANCES, MOST OF MOST OF THESE, THIS DEVELOPMENT OUT HERE, LIKE HERITAGE
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PLACE AND ALL THAT CAME IN WELL BEFORE, UM, OUR, OUR REGULATIONS.UM, SO YES, WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW, I MEAN, I THINK I, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE ENGINEERING WORDS OR DETAILS, BUT I KNOW MILLSTONE, BY PUTTING THOSE PIPES IN, WE'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE.
AND YOU NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE TR THE CHOKE POINT FROM HOW WATER'S GETTING DOWN TO IT.
IF, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, THAT IS WHAT ALL OF OUR SRC STUFF, ALL OF THAT ENGINEERING, OUR, OUR ENGINEERS WE CONTRACT WITH, REVIEW WHAT THE DEVELOPERS ENGINEERS DO.
AND THEY CANNOT MAKE THINGS IF THEY CAN'T CAUSE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
SO THEY HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING THAT THEIR DEVELOPMENT CAUSES.
IF THEY DON'T, THEN THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF OUR ORDINANCE AND WE CAN GET THEM TO FIX THAT.
AND STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS, NOT JUST US.
SO THE COST OF LAND DEVELOPMENT WE ALL KNOW IS EXTREMELY HIGH.
THE AMOUNT OF USABLE LAND IN SOME OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS IS EXTREMELY LOW BASED UPON CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND EVERYBODY ELSE ON THERE.
AND RON, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT THE ENGINEERS, OUR ENGINEERS RECHECK WHAT'S SUBMITTED TO THEM AS FAR AS THE SIZE OF THE RETENTION PONDS TO, TO HOLD THE WATER.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD, UH, HAVE THOSE INCREASED INSTEAD OF BEING A HUNDRED PERCENT, TAKE 'EM SAY TO 110% OF WHAT THE ENGINEER HAS COME BACK WITH WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND, AND, UM, WE, WITH THE MZDO AND, AND LOOKING AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM, UM, SO LOCO AND EVERYTHING, WE HAVE KIND OF MERGED IT IN AND MADE SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
WHAT WE FOUND OUT IS OUR ORDINANCE WAS WORKING VERY WELL.
WHAT WE HAD WAS A LOT OF THE, THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE OUT THERE HADN'T BEEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT SO, UM, YES, WE ARE INCREASING THINGS.
WE ARE CERTAINLY WORKING ON LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, OTHER TECHNIQUES, UM, THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE BOARD, WE, WE'VE INCREASED A LOT OF THESE BUFFERS, THE OPEN SPACE, ALL OF THAT HELPS.
AND THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON.
SO, UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT FROM WHAT WE CAN TELL, AND DEBBIE WAS VERY UNIQUE, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A TROPICAL STORM, IT WAS EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY RARE FOR US.
BUT AS WE SEE TODAY, WE'RE HAVING MORE RAIN.
SO WE CAN LOOK INTO OTHER OPTIONS TOO.
OUR O WE HAVE OUR, THE OPEN SPACE IS BUILT INTO ALL THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
AND THEN IT'S ALSO THE COMPONENT OF USABLE OPEN SPACE.
I MEAN, TO ME, OPEN SPACE IS ALL USABLE, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES THOSE PONDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE INCREASE THE, THE SIZE OF THE PONDS, DO WE WIND UP DECREASING THE AMOUNT OF USABLE OPEN SPACE? IT'S A TRADE OFF RIGHT THERE, BUT WE CAN CONTROL WHAT'S COMING UP, BUT WHAT'S ALREADY THERE WE CAN'T CONTROL.
BUT THE WATER ALL STILL ENDS UP IN THE SAME PLACE.
I MEAN, IF, IF WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE.
SO WE, OUR ONLY OPTION IS, IS TO CONTROL WHAT'S GOING TO MAY COME IN THE FUTURE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND IF, IF WE DO HAVE SOME REDEVELOPMENTS OR SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO ON SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES AND SOME MORE, UM, OVERSIGHT.
SO WE FIND THESE DAMS BEFORE THEY GET TOO FAR ALONG.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FAIRLY QUICKLY HERE SO WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS.
I ONLY HAVE A COUPLE MORE SLIDES LEFT.
SO THIS IS A, A DIGITAL ELEVATION MODEL.
I LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT SHOWS FLOW PATTERNS, RIGHT? SO IT SHOWS, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIGHTER GREEN, LIGHTER YELLOW, LIGHTER BLUE, THAT'S WHERE WATER WANTS TO FLOW.
ALRIGHT? SO CLEARLY ALL DOWN THROUGH HERE AND RIGHT THROUGH THE CHOKE POINT AND THEN HERE TO HERE IS WHERE THE WATER'S FLOWING.
SO WHERE THEY HAVE THAT CHOKE POINT SITTING RIGHT NOW ABOUT WHERE IT NEEDS TO SIT BECAUSE IT'S PICKING UP THAT FLOW AS IT COMES DOWN THROUGH THERE.
UM, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS 20,000 FEET OUT, LOOKING AT THE SAME THING.
YOU CAN SEE, UH, JCS HOUSE, 9, 8 3 PARK.
BUT YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE, THE FLOW, RIGHT? THE FLOW COMING DOWN THROUGH HERE AND OUT TO THE NEW RIVER, INTO THE SAVANNAH RIVER.
THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN.
ALRIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY I'M SHOWING YOU THAT YOU MOVE BACK 20 TIMES FOOT.
LOOK AT JCS HOUSE KNOW, RIGHT? ALRIGHT, SO MOVING ON FROM THAT POINT ROOF.
I GOT, HUH? HERE, HERE'S A, HERE'S A FEW, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE CAME UP WITH.
UH, THIS IS US, THIS IS PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
GETTING OUT THERE CLEARING THE EXCESS VEGETATION PIPES THAT ALL THE CROSSINGS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE.
CLEAR THE IDENTIFIED BLOCKAGES.
THAT'S THAT DAM I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THAT WE NEED TO GET OUT THERE AND TALK TO THOSE OWNERS AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA BE COMING ON YOUR LAND, PERHAPS TAKING CARE OF THIS.
AND THEN EDUCATING THE RESIDENTS.
I, I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY
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TO EDUCATE RESIDENTS ON HOW TO HELP US KEEP THOSE DITCH LINES CLEAR.ALRIGHT? LOOKING OUT, SAY TO 18 MONTHS.
CHECK AND CORRECT THE DRAINAGE ELEVATIONS.
I THINK WE HAVE SOME ISSUES BECAUSE I'M SEEING COMPETING FLOWS OUT THERE IN A DITCH LINE WHERE TWO FLOWS ARE, ARE COMING HEAD TO HEAD THAT'S NOT HELPING US.
WE NEED 'EM TO FLOW IN THE RIGHT DIRECTIONS, INSTALL ADDITIONAL PIPING PERHAPS UNDER THE ROADWAY TO HELP MOVE MORE WATER.
AND THEN LOOKING OUT PAST THAT, UH, CONSTRUCT NEW CHANNELS.
I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A SECOND.
REPLACE SOME PIPE PIPING AND MAKE IT INTO A BOX CULVERT, IF YOU WILL, IF THAT'S WHAT, UH, OUR ENGINEERS SAY NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? UH, JOHN, UM, IF WE COST ASIDE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE, BUT IF WE OUTSOURCE THIS, COULD WE ACCELERATE THESE TIMETABLES PERHAPS? ABSOLUTELY.
BUT LET, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME SHOW YOU THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH TALKS ABOUT MAYBE OUTSOURCING WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO OUTSOURCE IT.
BUT THE NEXT SLIDE, WHERE IS MY, THERE WE GO.
SO THOMAS AND HUTTON WAS HIRED TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE STORMWATER PLAN FOR US.
UH, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
THIS IS LITERALLY ONE THAT CAME RIGHT OUT OF THAT PLAN.
AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE J C'S HOUSE.
SO THIS IS NOW NOT NORTH SOUTH, IT'S MORE WEST TO EAST HERE.
THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THOMASON HUTTON HAD A GREAT IDEA.
HEY, LET'S BUILD A NEW CHANNEL.
AND NOW HERE, LET'S REPLACE THIS PIPE RIGHT HERE, WHICH WAS THE FIRST PIPE WE TALKED ABOUT IN THIS WITH A CULVERT.
INCREASED FLOW, RIGHT? INCREASED FLOW.
THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS THEN YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT? $1.7 MILLION FOR THAT PROJECT.
NOW, TWO YEARS AGO, HOW MUCH IS IT NOW? MORE THAN 2 MILLION.
PROBABLY LIKELY TO DO THAT SAME TYPE OF WORK.
ALRIGHT? SO IT'S NOT THAT THINGS HAVEN'T ALREADY BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH TO SAY, HEY, HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS WORK A LITTLE BIT BETTER? NOW IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO AND ARE WE TRULY COMMITTED TO PUT THE MONEY TOWARDS IT TO GET IT DONE? THERE'S SOME BACKUP SLIDES I DON'T NEED TO GO TO, UM, UNLESS THERE'S, UH, ANY MORE CONVERSATION YOU WANT TO HAVE.
BUT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
SO IT SEEM TO BE IN ONE OF THE SHORT TERM SOLUTIONS OR EASING THINGS IS GOOD CODE ENFORCEMENT TO BLOW OUT THAT DAM
I'LL TAKE, I'LL TAKE THE PICTURES AS YOU, OUR NEW EXCAVATOR.
FIRST THING, FIND OUT IF WE HAVE A LEGAL FOOT.
I WANNA PUSH THE, WE CAN LOOK TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE IT'S, THERE ARE SOME HOUSES.
THERE'S ONLY TWO ALONG THIS WHOLE STRETCH THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN THE COUNTY.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, I HAVE NO SAY MR. SOANDSO HAIR DOWN THAT WALL.
YOUR SHORT TERM RECOMMENDATIONS HERE, JORDAN.
THE, THE DAM MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BECAUSE OF THE LEGAL MATTERS OUT THERE.
CAN THE REST OF THIS SHORT TERM BE INSTITUTED AS WE START? WE'RE GONNA START COMING INTO A LITTLE DRIER SEASON TOO.
I MEAN THAT, THAT WOULD BE OUR PLAN WOULD BE TO START DOING SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
I WOULD PROBABLY GET WITH THE GREENERY IF WE NEED TO, TO GET SOME, UH, SOME MORE SUPPORT ON THAT.
UM, WE'VE GOT TWO BIG PIECES OF EQUIPMENT NOW, TWO EXCAVATORS.
SO THAT'S GONNA HELP US, UH, MOVE, UH, MOVE FORWARD A LITTLE QUICKER TO GET SOME OF THIS DONE.
WE, WE ARE ALREADY TALKING IN PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT STARTING TO TAKE ON MOST OF THIS.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT SITTING WELL WITH ME, JOHN, ON THIS WHOLE THING.
A LOT OF THESE ISSUES ARE CREATED BY THE DEVELOPERS.
WHY AREN'T THEY BEING HELD RESPONSIBLE TO FIX SOME OF THESE ISSUES? WELL, IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.
THIS DAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WASN'T A DEVELOPER THAT WAS A PRIVATE OWNER THAT WANTED TO DIVERT WATER FROM COMING INTO HIS YARD.
I'M SAYING IN GENERAL, I MEAN, YEAH.
SO, SO AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THAT POINT WHERE WE CAN SAY THAT, UM, MILLSTONE LANDING WITH THAT CHOKE POINT LITERALLY MADE IT WORSE.
YEAH, I THINK IT MAY HAVE MADE IT BETTER.
'CAUSE REMEMBER WE HAD THAT ONE LITTLE CHANNEL BEFORE.
NOW WE'VE GOT THREE LARGE PIPES THAT ARE PUSHING WATER THROUGH THERE, BUT IT HAS TO BE CONTROLLED.
THAT'S PER REGULATION THAT WE CAN'T GET AROUND THAT.
SO, UM, I I THINK THAT UNTIL WE DO A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK IN INVESTIGATION ON THE WHOLE MILLSTONE LANDING PIECE OF IT, WE CAN'T REALLY SAY THAT THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT'S CAUSING THIS PROBLEM.
AND, AND VAL, I DON'T THINK THIS IS FOR ALL OF US AT COUNCIL.
YOUR QUESTION REALLY IS A QUESTION
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WE NEED TO ASK WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT'S COMING, WHEN THEY COME, IT'S NOT REALLY JOHN'S DEALING WITH WHAT WE HAVE.THE QUESTIONS YOU'RE ASKING ARE REALLY FOR WHEN WE GET THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
YEAH, I MEAN THE SHORT TERM, THOSE ARE THINGS EXPENSE WISE THAT I THINK THAT CAN BE HANDLED AND THEY, THEY, INSTEAD OF DEBATING AND LOOKING AT THE LONG TERM AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WE PROBABLY SHOULD JUST TRY TO GET MOVING AHEAD WITH THAT.
I MEAN, I AGREE, STEVE, LET'S GET THE, LET'S GET THE SHORT TERM AND IF THERE'S AN ANALYSIS OF WHETHER IT'S MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN DO IN-HOUSE.
'CAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF WORK AND YOU ALREADY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF, WE'RE WE'RE STRETCH STRESSED.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR GRASS CUTTING SEASONS COME IN QUICKLY TO AN END.
THAT'S NOW ALLOWS US TO GET MORE
YOU FORGET YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DRAINING THE SWAMP.
IT MAY EVEN, EVEN IF IT COSTS US A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, BE BETTER TO PAY THE EXTRA MONEY IN IT AND OUTSOURCE IT.
BECAUSE IF IT COULD BE DONE QUICKER, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO DO IT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T, WE'VE IDENTIFIED A PROBLEM AND YOU SAID TODAY WASN'T AS BAD, BUT IT WASN'T PERFECT EITHER.
WELL, WE GOT, WE GOT, UH, TONIGHT TO GO THROUGH WITH THIS RAIN, SO WE'LL, WE'LL, BUT ALSO HARRY, WE'LL SEE HOW THINGS GO A LOT.
YOU HAD A GOOD POINT ABOUT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN THESE DEVELOPERS COME IN, BUT SOME OF THIS STUFF IS, UM, YOU DON'T, JUST DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHO WOULD'VE HAD AN IDEA THAT WHEN MILLSTONE LANDING CAME IN, WHAT EFFECT IT WOULD'VE HAD? JUST LIKE I HAD AND NOT IN MY MIND ABOUT THE MORGAN TRACK, WHAT EFFECT IT'S GOING TO HAVE UNTIL I SAW JOHN'S SLIDE, ONE OF THOSE LAST SLIDES WHERE IT
UM, JEN, I'M GONNA HOLD A MINUTE BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH TODAY.
UH, I'M GONNA PUT YOU LAST IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UM, AND I WANT TO PUT TED FORWARD.
UM, WE GOT IN CASE WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO JEN ANY TIME, YOU KNOW, SO IF WE RUN OUTTA TIME, LET'S, LET'S, DO YOU HAVE TO RELOAD THE SLIDES? YEAH, YOU DID YOU SEND THE GUYS PLAN? I DID THAT WE CAN.
THERE'S SOMEONE WE COULD JUST EMAIL AN ELECTRONIC.
OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO, UM, OH YES, WE'RE GONNA TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO MR. TED MOY OF J, C
[3. PROPOSED JCNU HOUSING PROJECT]
AND U.GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANKS FOR HAVING US HERE.
I'M HERE WITH MY, UM, ENGINEER NATHAN
UM, WE ARE HERE TO SHARE OUR PROJECT AT 37 MAIN STREET WITH YOU ALL, WHICH IS A MAIN, A MIXED USE PROJECT WHICH WILL CONTAIN, UM, 14 OFFICE BUILDINGS.
UM, 14 OFFICES ON THE BOTTOM LEVEL WITH CONFERENCE ROOMS. AND ON THE TOP WE'LL HAVE FOUR, UM, TOWNHOUSES FOR SALE, TWO BEDROOMS, TWO BATH, AND ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATH.
UM, AND WE ALSO WORKING WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY ON THE BACK PART IF WE CAN EVER GET THE FRONT PART TAKEN CARE OF TO BUILD SOME ADDITIONAL UNITS ON THE BACK PART.
UM, SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO NATHAN AND LET HIM DO HIS THING OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO.
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UH, JCNU, JASPER COUNTY NEIGHBORS UNITED, UM, THEY PURCHASED 1 0 3 SAS COURT AND WE'RE GONNA BE APPROACHING YOU GUYS TO, UM, COMBINE THAT PROPERTY INTO 37 MAIN STREET RIGHT NOW.37 MAIN STREET IS ZONE DOWNTOWN MIXED USE AND THE T FIVE DISTRICT.
AND UM, THE BACK PIECE IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TWO.
SO TO ACCOMMODATE A SHARED PARKING, SHARED UTILITIES AND EVERYTHING FOR THE SITE AS JCNU WANTS TO MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP AFTER DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WE WERE GOING TO COMBINE THAT INTO ONE PIECE TO SIMPLIFY ANY EASEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED AND OBVIOUSLY REZONE THAT BACK PIECE AS I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO REZONE IT TO SUBDIVIDE IT AS WELL.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO COME TO YOU GUYS PRESENT OUR PLAN AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE ABOUT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OR KIND OF THE REZONING EFFORT.
WE'RE TRYING TO ATTEMPT HERE PARKING.
HOW MANY PARKING SPACES WILL BE ALLOTTED FOR THESE PROPERTIES? SO IT'S 19 SPACES.
UM, WE ARE USING THE SHARED PARKING THAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE MZDO, UM, WITH COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE WERE ALLOWED TO APPLY 1.4 FACTOR TO REDUCE THAT PARKING BY SHARING IT.
UM, WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE, I NEED TO LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS RIGHT HERE TOWARDS THE, THE FRONT PIECE RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS GOING TO BE THE MIXED USE RIGHT ON THE MAIN STREET MIXED USE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL BUILDING THAT WILL REQUIRE 16 SPACES IN THE BACK, OR I'M SORRY, THE, THE COMMERCIAL IS 11 PREPARED TO SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, WE HAD A TOTAL REQUIREMENT OF 27 FOR ALL OF IT.
I WANT TO TRY TO HELP OUT A LITTLE BIT.
WE HAVEN'T FULLY VETTED THIS TO, TO GIVE THE APPLICATION TO SEE WHAT THE ZONING DISTRICTS ALLOW.
'CAUSE THIS, THEY, WHAT THEY, WE WILL BE ASKING FROM YOU IS A STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, SO WE HAVE TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS AND PLAY OUT HOW THE STAFF HAS NOT FULLY REVIEWED ALL OF THIS AT THIS POINT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT BEFORE YOU GET INTO ALL THE DETAILS OF THE PARKING.
MY QUE BECAUSE MY QUESTION I REALLY BELIEVE IS VALID.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE 13, 14 OFFICES HERE.
THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
I MEAN UNLESS ONLY ONE PERSON IN THOSE OFFICES AND THEN YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, PARKING IS, IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE NO MATTER, NO MATTER WHAT.
AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS IT.
YOU, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS IT.
YOUR OFFICE SPACES THAT, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING INTO, UH, WHAT ARE WE TALKING, UM, INSURANCE PEOPLE.
WHAT, WHAT ARE WE TALKING? NO, THESE ARE NONPROFITS AND FEDERAL AND STATE AGENCIES GEARED TOWARD LOW INCOME RESIDENTS.
SO IT CAN BE A ONE STOP SHOP WHERE THEY CAN COME TO ONE PLACE AND ACCESS ALL THE AGENCIES TO HELP WITH LOW INCOME HOUSING NEEDS.
WELL THAT'S A GREAT TED, BUT THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA WALK THERE.
AND THAT'S, THIS IS WHY PARKING HAS TO BE, WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE DEBATING WITH ALL THE PARKING IN THAT WHOLE AREA DOWN THERE AROUND, UH, THE HUB.
AND UNLESS WE CAN ADDRESS THIS WITH IT, WE'RE JUST GONNA SHOVE PARKING FROM ONE PLACE TO THE OTHER.
WE SEE IT NOW, UH, PARKING AT THE LIBRARY WHEN SOMETHING'S GOING ON OVER AT THE MISSION OVER THERE.
I MEAN WE HAVE TO ADDRESS IT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO DRAWING BOARD AND LOOK TO FIND IT, PLEASE DO.
THE BACK OF THAT LIBRARY WAS A VACANT LOT.
THAT'S WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
ABOUT, SO Y'ALL, Y'ALL ACQUIRED THAT PIECE OF PROJECT? YES, WE DID.
SO WE COULD USE THAT FOR PARKING AND AFTER IT ALL COMES TO THAT, UM, AND, AND HE MENTIONED THE SHARE PARKING.
THERE ARE SOME STANDARDS IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT DOES HAVE TO BE THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT.
WE WOULD WANT IT COMBINED ALTOGETHER AND, AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THERE'S SOME WITH THE NEW TRANSACT ZONING, I DON'T KNOW IT ALL THE DETAILS OF IT, KATIE AND I ARE STILL LEARNING FROM IT.
SO WE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GIVING YOU FULL INFORMATION BEFORE WE SAY YES.
I THINK TED AND UM, NATHAN CAN SAY MM-HMM,
THE TRANSECT ZONES REALLY SEEM TO ENCOURAGE SHARED PARKING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
UM, SO THIS, THIS PLAN IS COMPLIANT WITH YOUR CODE.
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DID YOU SAY WAS GONNA BE? UM, TWO.TWO AND THE TOP FLOOR ARE RENTALS? NO, THERE'S THE BEEF HOME OWNERSHIP FOR OKAY, SO THEY'RE LIKE CONDOMINIUMS. YES, IT'S FOUR.
THE BACK PIECE IS REALLY TENTATIVE RIGHT NOW.
WHAT COULD GO THERE? WE'RE JUST SECURING A RESIDENTIAL USE BASED ON FOUR DWELLING UNITS.
IF WE GET REZONED INTO THE, UM, T FIVE DISTRICT, I BELIEVE IT IS, WE CAN'T DO DUPLEXES THERE, SO WE'LL HAVE TO DO A MULTIFAMILY PRODUCT AND COME UP WITH FOUR MULTIFAMILY UNITS ON THAT BACK PIECE.
WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT WITH ALL THESE DETAILS.
THAT'S NOT EXACTLY HOW IT PLAYS OUT.
BECAUSE WE MADE APPLICATION THIS WEEK THROUGH THE ZONING.
SO WE, WE, WE HAVE A, WE DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE COMPLETE APPLICATION QUITE YET.
WE'RE CLOSE, BUT ONCE WE GET THAT, WE'LL START THE REVIEW PROCESS.
SO WE HAVEN'T STARTED, HAVEN'T DONE ANY OF THAT YET.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION RECENTLY, EVEN WITH OUR OWN BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET ABOUT KEEPING THE, UH, ARCHITECTURE IN THE FRONT AND KEEPING WITH THE WHOLE SPIRIT DOWNTOWN.
AND NOT CREATE, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THAT THE SAME HISTORIC WORK THAT WE HAVE WELL THROUGHOUT THE TOWN TO A DEGREE.
UM, HAVE YOU GOTTEN TO ANY YES, WE'VE GOTTEN TO IT AND THIS IS WHAT THEY, LET ME SEE IF THAT'S, THIS IS THE MAIN STREET VIEW RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE LOW COUNTRY STYLE, THEN LOW COUNTRY ARCHITECTURE.
YEAH, THAT'S THE MAIN STREET FIELD.
AND SO WE JUST WAITING TO HEAR FROM STAFF AND SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND COMPLY THAT WE CAN, WE DO BOTH LOTS.
HOW, HOW, HOW MANY, WHAT'S THE TOTAL ACRES? ACRES? IT IS RIGHT UNDER AN ACRE.
IT'S 0.5 FOR BOTH LOTS, RIGHT? FOR BOTH LOTS SIR.
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE, HOW MANY CONDOM IS TOP? IT'LL BE EIGHT TOTAL.
8, 8, 4 IN THE FRONT BUILDING, FOUR ON THE BACK PIECE.
THAT'S A LOT OF HOMES OVER HALF AN ACRE.
PLANT DENSITY, FOUR ACRE, TWO QUICK POINTS.
SO I, IF YOU CHECKED, IS THERE ANY DEED RESTRICTIONS OR COVENANTS ON THOSE PROPERTIES, TED? YES.
JUST, JUST VERIFY THAT IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU UM, THE ATTORNEY SENT ME THOSE LAST NIGHT, SO I HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION ALSO.
AND THEN I THINK THE MAYOR, WE, WE WE'RE DOING OR WE'RE ANTICIPATING DOING A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, KIND OF A REDEVELOPMENT OF THE WHOLE DOWNTOWN AREA.
YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY COULD BE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THAT, ESPECIALLY ON THE, THE SHARED PARKING COOPER COOPERATING WITH THE CITY ON PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
SO YOU KNOW MORE TO COME WHEN WE SEE YOUR APPLICATION, BUT OKAY.
HE'S GONNA BE AT AN ATTAINABLE RATE FOR FOLKS TO, TO RENT.
ATTAINABLE FOR MARKET RATE OR MARKET RATE.
WHAT ARE THE, I MEAN, WHAT, WHERE ARE YOU THE MARKETING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO RENT THESE, UH, THE APARTMENTS FOR SALE OR FOR SALE? ARE THEY GONNA BE FOR SALE OR FOR SALE? SALE AT MARKET RATE? THEY GONNA BE, NO, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE MARKET RATE BECAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERENT GRANTS THAT WE WENT AFTER.
AND WE HAVE, UM, JASPER COUNTY GAVE US $150,000 A RP MONEY TO PUT INTO THIS PROJECT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S TRULY AFFORDABLE.
AND ALSO WE RECEIVED, UM, $130,000 FROM THE BEAUFORT, JASPER HOUSING TRUST FUND FOR $9,000 EACH FOR CLOSING.
SO WE PLAN TO TACK TAKE THAT OFF ALSO.
SO THEY GOT 150 THAT WE GOING TO DIVIDE BY FOR, TAKE THAT OFF OF THE PRICE AND THEN WE ARE GONNA TAKE 9,000 OFF WITH THE MONEY THAT YOU FOR JASPER HOUSING.
SO THESE ARE TRULY GOING BE AFFORDABLE.
SO THEY'RE GONNA BE ALL FOR SALE THEN? CORRECT.
EVEN EVEN THE ONES ABOVE THE LOWER UNIT TO THE, THE ONES UP ABOVE THOSE ARE GONNA BE TWO.
BUT THE, THE BOTTOM WOULD BE RENTAL.
BUT THE TOP IS GONNA BE HOME OWNERSHIP.
BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE AFFORDABLE OR ATTAINABLE HOUSING IN
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OUR DOWNTOWN AREA IF YOU BRING IT TO, AND THESE WILL, THESE WILL BE, I I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU A PRICE POINT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT'S COST TO BILL FIRST, BUT, UM, WE PLAN TO MAKE IT REAL REASONABLE AND NOT TO MARKET RATE.IT'LL DEFINITELY BE ATTAINABLE.
SO, SO TED, IN ORDER TO, AS YOU I DON'T, I TO TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO KEEP IT IN INVENTORY OF ATTAINABLE HOUSING, THERE HAVE TO BE SOME SORT OF DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THE SALES.
IN OTHER WORDS, UH, JUST LIKE HABITAT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE RESTRICTIONS IN THERE EXACTLY.
SO THAT IT STAYS ATTAINABLE FOR X NUMBER OF YEARS.
YES, WE WILL, AS MIKE ALWAYS SAYS, THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS.
GET US THE DETAILS AND WE'LL TAKE HER FROM THERE.
AND ON THE SECOND NOTE, UM, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR WE CAME TO YOU GUYS, UM, BECAUSE WE HAD THE SENIOR SPRING PLAN.
WELL, THIS YEAR WE ARE CELEBRATING NOW 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF BEING IN BUSINESS.
WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE 1999.
AND SO WE ARE HAVING OUR 25TH GALA ANNIVERSARY ON THE 19TH AT HAMPTON HALL AND BLOCK, OUR GUEST SPEAKER WILL BE THE HONORABLE GENERAL FIG NEWTON, A GRADUATE OF GAS COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL.
HE WAS THE VIRGIN BLACK TO FLY WITH THE THUNDERBIRDS.
UM, IT STARTS AT SIX TO 11 AND IT'S A BLACK HIGH AFFAIR.
AND SO WE ARE ASKING YOU DONATED LAST YEAR.
AND SO WE ARE ASKING FOR A DONATION AGAIN THIS YEAR TO HELP US PUT ON THE CELEBRATION.
UM, WE'LL BE HONORING YOU ALL THIS YEAR, UM, AFTER GALA, THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE COUNTY COUNCIL OF JASPER, BECAUSE WITHOUT THE TWO OF THESE ENTITIES, WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS 25 YEARS.
SO YOU WILL BE HONORED AT THIS AWARD BANQUET.
AND SO I'LL JUST WAIT TO HEAR BACK FROM YOU ON A DONATION AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ALL THERE.
UM, WHAT I WOULD NEED IS UPDATED COPIES, UM, MR. CITY MANAGER, IF I COULD GET UPDATED PICTURES OF YOU AND THE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS, BECAUSE WE ARE GONNA HAVE A SOUVENIR BOOKLET AND LIKE WE DID YEARS AGO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE HERE, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SHOWCASE THEM ALSO IN THE SOUVENIR BOOKLET.
IF YOU HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, TED, BE SURE TO APPLY TO THE NONPROFIT FOR THE, UH, SPONSORSHIP.
MAKE SURE YOU GET THAT IN BECAUSE YOUR, THE NONPROFIT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I'LL TO HEARING FROM YOU ALL.
HOW ARE YOU, NEIL? YOU HAVE, THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT THOUGH.
[2. SPLASH PAD REPORT AND RECOMMENDATIONS]
WELL, I DON'T WANNA SAY WE SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST, BUT YES.YEAH, THIS IS, YOU CAN'T USE THIS SLIDE.
YEAH, WE'LL MAKE IT, WE'LL MAKE IT THROUGH.
UM, SO JUST WANNA GO OVER A LITTLE BIT, UM, WHAT I PLAN TO DO FOR YOU ALL, UM, AND NOT TAKE UP TOO, TOO MUCH TIME, BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT AND WE REALLY WANNA LEAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME FOR YOU ALL TO DISCUSS.
UM, BUT I DO WANNA GO OVER A LITTLE BIT OF THE FACTS AND A TIMELINE REVIEW.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF, YOU KNOW, HARDY VILLE, PARKS AND REC, YOU KNOW, WE ABSOLUTELY LOVE ANYTHING FUN, INNOVATIVE, EXCITING.
UM, SO WE HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING THIS FOR, UM, GOSH, I FEEL LIKE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, UM, COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO IN YOUR, UH, PACKETS THAT WE SENT OUT, I THINK MONDAY, UH, DURING ALL THE CRAZINESS OF WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH, UM, EMAIL AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, UM, YOU GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF INFORMATION.
WE DIDN'T WANNA PUT THAT OUT HERE SO EVERYONE CAN SEE ALL THAT.
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NOT BEING TRANSPARENT, HOWEVER, WE DON'T WANNA CONFUSE THE PUBLIC THINKING THAT WE HAVE PLANS ALREADY DONE.UM, THIS WAS TO BE ABLE TO HELP GIVE YOU ALL, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTION.
SO, 2022 AND 23, WE RECEIVED A QUOTE AND DESIGN FROM VORTEX, WHICH IS THE, UH, NUMBER ONE LEADER IN SPLASH PADS.
THEY ACTUALLY DESIGNED, UM, THEM AND MORE OR LESS STARTED THEM WAY BACK IN THE DAY.
SO, UM, I'VE WORKED WITH THEM BEFORE.
UM, AND THEY WERE VERY QUICK TO TURN ALL THIS INFORMATION AROUND, GET US SOME QUOTES.
WE BASICALLY TOLD THEM, HEY, THIS IS A SNAPSHOT.
SEE IF YOU CAN DESIGN SOMETHING AND GET THAT INFORMATION BACK TO US SO WE CAN LOOK AT PUTTING ALL THIS INFORMATION INTO OUR CIP.
UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, THE BUDGET WASN'T THERE AT THE TIME.
UM, AND THEN IT CAME BACK UP AGAIN.
SO WE DID PREPARE THE ANALYSIS FOR COUNCIL, WHICH YOU ALL HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, AND I THINK WE HAD THAT A COUPLE OF WORKSHOPS AGO, UM, AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN IN, UH, THIS PAST, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, UM, MR. C AND I GOT TO TALKING AND WE NEEDED TO GO AHEAD AND, AND FORM AN EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE.
AND ALL OF THOSE MEMBERS ARE HERE.
UM, SO, UM, KATIE AND JOHN AND JODY ARE ALL IN HERE, SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UH, TOWARDS THE END AS WELL, IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
AND THEN BASICALLY WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK ALL THAT AND, AND WRAPPED IT UP, AND WE, UM, PUT A MEMO OUT TO MR. S AND, UM, TOLD HIM, HEY, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO BRING THIS BACK TO YOU ALL SO WE CAN HAVE SOME GOOD DISCUSSION.
UM, BECAUSE IT IS ALWAYS EXCITING TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, UH, COME TO THE PLAYGROUND, UM, LITERALLY, YES,
UM, AND EVEN WHEN WE WERE IN OUR MEETING AND, AND TALKING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE IDEAS WERE, WERE REALLY FLOWING ON DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND STUFF.
SO, UM, BUT WHAT WE DID IN FRONT OF YOU TOO, AND I PUT A COPY OF YOUR MEMORANDUM, AND WE LOOKED AT A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, WE LOOKED AT CITY OWNED PROPERTY WITH INFRASTRUCTURE WITHOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, LIMITED INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, FUTURE PROJECTS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, TO INCLUDE EAST ARGENT, UM, THE HUB, UM, I MEAN, ALL THE STUFF THAT'S IN THE QUEUE RIGHT NOW, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS QUITE A BIT.
SO WE TRIED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, AS WELL AS COST TO SEE WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST FIT.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST, UM, LOCATION THAT WE ALL LOOKED AT.
UM, THIS IS A CITY OWNED PROPERTY, UM, WITH EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT HAS, UH, ALL OF YOUR WATER, YOUR ELECTRICAL, IT DEFINITELY HAS A RETENTION POND ON SITE.
UM, AND WE HAVE SOME LIMITED PARKING AS WELL.
UM, SO THERE'S OUR BEAUTIFUL TRAIN, AND WE'LL GET INTO THE VERY BOTTOM.
YOU'LL SEE HOW THAT TRAIN COMES BACK INTO PLAY.
UM, THIS WAS, OH, ANOTHER ONE RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY WITH THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, JB CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA, AND THAT IS AN OLD, UH, JOHN CARROLL.
YOU'LL, UH,
THAT IS A VERY OLD, UM, PICTURE FROM PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, 2005, SIX MAYBE.
SO THAT'S OUR EXISTING WHITE BUILDING THAT IS OUTSIDE.
UM, AND THERE WAS A TRAILER THERE, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE BOY SCOUTS OR SOMEBODY USED TO BE OVER THERE AT ONE POINT BAND ROOM YEARS AGO.
ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT, UM, THINGS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS HAVE BEEN THERE IN OUR MASTER PLAN FOR THE, UH, RG COMPLEX, UH, OR RICHARD GRAY COMPLEX.
UH, WE, THAT WAS EVENTUALLY GOING TO BE PART OF THE BUTTERFLY GARDEN, AND AT SOME POINT, MAYBE A MEMORIAL, UH, GARDEN IN ADJACENT TO THE, UH, EXISTING JUJU PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE THAT'S FACING, UH, MAIN STREET.
SO ANYWAY, AGAIN, WE WEREN'T THINKING ABOUT THIS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, AT ALL.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE, WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT WHAT OUR EXISTING PROPERTY WAS AND, AND, AND WENT DOWN AND SAID, HEY, THIS HAS GOT ALL THIS STUFF.
IT'S GOT PARKING, IT'S GOT WATER, IT'S GOT ELECTRICAL, IT HAS ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE.
UM, SO THIS IS ANOTHER OPTION THAT WE LOOKED AT.
UM, THIS IS THE RECPLEX, AND THIS IS WHERE I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY THINK THIS WOULD BE THE BEST PLACE FOR IT TO GO.
UM, THIS IS WHERE ALL OF OUR PLAYGROUND STUFF IS, UH, WHICH WE'RE GETTING READY TO FINISH UP.
I KNOW, UM, UH, JODY'S WORKING ON ALL THAT RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK TO FINISH UP THE JUJU, UH, PLAYGROUND PARK AND GETTING ALL THAT DONE.
UM, THE ONE THING THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DOWN HERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, JB WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES, BJSW.
YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE, UH, RETENTION PONDS THAT ARE OUT HERE, UM, AGAIN, BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY SPOKEN FOR THE PARKING LOT.
UM, WE ARE LITERALLY GONNA BE PUTTING THAT OUT, UH, GETTING IT DONE, HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AND GET THAT CONTRACT SIGNED.
AND THEN WE'RE ADDING THE PARKING.
AND I WOULD HONESTLY SAY THAT ANYONE, UM, THAT HAS BEEN HERE FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS UNDERSTANDS AND KNOWS IT'S BEEN OUT TO THE COMPLEX TO SEE.
UM, PARKING IS A HUGE, UH, ISSUE.
UM, THEY'LL PARK ANY WHICH WAY.
UM, SO WE ARE ADDRESSING THOSE NEEDS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE THE, UH, PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES PART OF THE RANDALL STREET ON THE OTHER SIDE.
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UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE TAKING CARE OF ALL THAT STUFF.SO, UM, IN THE PERFECT WORLD, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO ADD IT.
UH, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'D BE ABLE TO PUT IT WITHOUT TAKING SOMETHING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN THE QUEUE, UM, THAT'S ALREADY MASTER PLANNED AND LITERALLY OUT FORBID.
UM, SO THIS IS, UH, INSIDE OF THE COMPLEX, JUST KIND OF ON THE OUTSIDE.
UM, THIS IS, AGAIN, CITY ON PROPERTY WITHOUT ANY EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS IS ACTUALLY WHERE THE PLAYGROUND USED TO BE, MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY MOONS AGO.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE STILL USE IT.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL AREA.
UM, WE WILL HAVE PARKING, IT'S GONNA BE ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, IT'LL BE RIGHT AT THE, UH, RANDALL, A LOT THAT THE CITY PURCHASED A WHILE AGO.
UM, AND WE DO HAVE A DETENTION AND RETENTION POND THAT IS OUT THERE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO EVERYTHING ELSE WITHOUT ADDITIONAL COST TO CONNECT INTO B-J-S-W-A AND ELECTRICAL AND SO ON.
AND THEN WE KIND OF COME DOWN HERE.
UM, THIS IS THE OLD, UH, JUJU HUDSON OLD HOMESTEAD, UH, WHICH IS LITERALLY, UH, LET'S SEE.
OH YEAH, I DON'T WANNA DO THAT ONE.
SEE, THIS ONE'S NOT GONNA WORK EITHER.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, IT'S, IT'S LITERALLY RIGHT UP AT THE CORNER.
UM, AND I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW WHICH CLICKER IT IS.
I'M NOT USED TO USING THAT ONE, SORRY.
BUT IT IS THIS LITTLE LOT THAT'S RIGHT HERE, RIGHT HERE.
UM, AGAIN, WE WILL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING, BUT WE ALSO WERE CONCERNED WITH WHAT'S GOING ON, UM, BEHIND CITY HALL IN THE FUTURE.
UM, THERE ARE PLANS TO PUT AN ANNEX, UM, WHICH OF COURSE IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE HAVE OUR FESTIVAL, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO A LOT OF THAT WILL HAVE TO BE MOVED.
WE'LL HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER AREA TO BE ABLE TO, TO DO THAT ONCE THAT ANNEX GOES IN.
AND I'M ASSUMING PROBABLY THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS GONNA TURN INTO SOME PARKING AT SOME POINT, BECAUSE ALL OF YOU THAT ARE HERE RIGHT NOW, WHETHER YOU'RE STAFF OR NOT, THERE'S NOWHERE TO PARK.
UM, SO THAT, THAT IS ANOTHER AREA THAT WE LOOKED AT.
AND THEN AGAIN, MOVING DOWN, WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF THE FUTURE PROJECTS, CITY OWNED, UH, PROPERTY.
OF COURSE, WE LOOKED AT EAST A, UM, EAST A IS A WONDERFUL, UH, AREA.
UM, BUT OUR DIRECTIVE WAS TO TRY AND FIND SOMETHING NOW THAT WE COULD USE.
UH, WE ARE EAST A COULD BE ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF, MAYBE TWO BEFORE THE ROAD.
UM, THE CITY JUST ACQUIRED THAT PROPERTY.
BUT AGAIN, FUTURE PLANS, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE IN THE WORKS FOR THAT.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR 10 PLUS ACRE, WHICH IS RIGHT ON ALONG I 95.
AND THAT'S, UH, OVER WHERE THE OLD DOG PARK WAS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, BUT IT IS THERE, THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO GET BACK THERE AT THIS POINT WITHOUT ADDING A HEFTY, UH, A HEFTY BILL FOR SOME ROADS AND STUFF TO GET BACK THERE.
SO, AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF A LITTLE QUICK SYNOPSIS.
'CAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, MOST PEOPLE WOULD SAY, THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST PLACE TO PUT IT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THIS IS A HARD, A HARD PASS FOR ME, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S UP TO COUNCIL.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PARKS OF RECREATION WANTS TO DO, AND THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GROWING IN LEAPS AND BOUNDS, AND WE WANNA BE ABLE TO EXPAND.
UM, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS JOKE WITH COUNCIL, WE HAVE ONE PLAYGROUND, 57 SQUARE MILES, ONE PLAYGROUND, WHICH MEANS EVERYBODY IS USING THIS PARK, AND WE'RE NOT EXPANDING OUR PARKS TO OTHER AREAS SO THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, CAN GET ACCESS TO IT.
SO AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE THIS IS THE RICHARD GRAY MASTER PLAN THAT COUNCIL APPROVED MANY YEARS AGO.
THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS ALL THE OPEN LAND THAT WE BOUGHT AHEAD OF TIME WERE THE FESTIVAL.
IF WE HAD TO MOVE IT, WE WOULD END UP MOVING IT BACK OVER HERE.
BUT THIS WHOLE AREA IS OURS, IT'S UNDEVELOPED.
AND THEN I THINK WE SOLD A LITTLE BIT OF THAT TRACK UP THERE TO, UM, A DEVELOPER, I THINK THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY BUILDING RIGHT NOW.
SO, LOTS OF OPTIONS FOR SURE, BUT WANTED YOU TO SEE THE ENTIRE SNAPSHOT OF THAT.
AND THEN AFTER A LOT OF GOING BACK AND FORTH, UM, THIS IS WHAT WE RECOMMENDED.
WE RECOMMENDED, UH, TB, CARROLL PARK, UM, TB.
CARROLL PARK IS LITERALLY CENTRALLY LOCATED INSIDE THE CITY.
UM, IT DEFINITELY NEEDS AN, AN UPGRADE.
UM, WE LOOKED AT THE TRAIN, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ALL THE DIFFERENT KIND OF THINGS AND ELEMENTS THAT WE COULD TIE INTO IT.
WE'VE GOT, UH, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THERE'S GONNA BE THE, THE HUB THAT'S GONNA BE GOING IN THERE AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE A VETERANS PARK, NOT ON THIS SIDE, BUT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO BRING PEOPLE TO THIS AREA.
SO, UM, AND THEN THE GENERAL COST, AGAIN, COUNSEL, PLEASE BE REMINDED THAT THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT.
WE ARE NOT GIVING YOU A, A BUDGET AND SAYING THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GONNA BE.
UM, JODY WILL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET INTO THE WEEDS, UM, BECAUSE THE WEEDS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.
UM, SO, BUT THERE ARE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO THINK ABOUT.
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SO OBVIOUSLY WE LOOKED AT LAND.IF WE DON'T NEED THE LAND, WE CAN TAKE THAT MONEY OUT.
THE DESIGN BUILD ENGINEERING, RIGHT NOW, IT COULD BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 12,000 TO 15.
WHAT I ALWAYS DO IS I PUT THAT HUMPED, UH, HIGHER NUMBER ON THE, UH, BACK END OF IT JUST TO HELP WITH THE CONTINGENCIES.
UM, WE DID HAVE A MEETING YESTERDAY WITH VORTEX.
VORTEX DOESN'T CHARGE FOR THEIR DESIGN FEES, SO IT DOES HELP WITH THE CITY AS WELL.
UM, PERMITTING CAN BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 15 TO 18, DEPENDING, AGAIN, THERE'S CONTINGENCY THAT'S BUILT IN.
UM, THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION, WE WON'T REALLY KNOW, UH, UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHERE IT'S GONNA GO.
SO THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE ASKING FROM COUNCIL, UM, A LITTLE BIT LATER, UH, AS WE GET TOWARDS THE END AND THE DISCUSSION HAPPENS.
UM, SO IF WE HAVE A BIGGER PLOT OF LAND, WE ARE ABLE TO BIG TO BUILD A BIGGER SPLASH PAD OR A SMALLER PLOT, THEN YOUR BUDGET'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
UH, WE WERE ABLE TO TOUR OSCAR FRAZIER YESTERDAY, UM, REALLY, REALLY NICE A PROJECT THEY'VE GOT OVER THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S REALLY NEAT.
I THINK THEY TOOK SOME ARTWORK, UH, FROM THE COMMUNITY AND KIND OF PUT IT DOWN INTO THE, UM, DESIGN OF IT.
I THINK HE SAID THEY WANTED THAT OPEN WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.
SO, I DON'T KNOW, WE'RE PRAYING FOR 'EM.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I REALLY, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A REALLY GREAT PROJECT AND I'M SURE THEY'LL BUILD, YOU KNOW, A LOT MORE, UM, WITH PARKS.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH, WITH PRT IS WE ONLY HAVE ONE, ONE PARK AND WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT EXPANDING AND, AND GROWING.
SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT SHADE STRUCTURES, PICNIC TABLES, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT YOU NEED, YOU KNOW, YOUR FFE COULD BE UP TO 15 OR MORE OR LESS.
UM, AND STAFFING, I REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I TOUCH ON THIS SO THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE TIMES WE HAVE THESE BIG DREAMS AND, AND GRANDIOSE IDEAS OF THINGS THAT WE WANNA DO, BUT WE DON'T THINK ABOUT THE REOCCURRING COSTS, WHETHER IT'S PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE OR THE FACT THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO GO IN AND OUT.
AND ONE THING WITH SPLASH PADS, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET INTO THE WEEDS, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE COUNSEL UNDERSTANDS WE DON'T NEED A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE TO BE DOWN THERE TO RUN OPERATIONS, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF, UH, PUMP SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE.
IF WE HAVE ONE OR THE OTHER, WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY.
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO HAVE A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE.
IT MEANS THAT WE COULD SUB IT OUT.
IT'S BASICALLY A CPO, WHICH IS A CERTIFIED POOL OPERATOR.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN $25,000 TO, YOU KNOW, $50,000 A YEAR.
THEY WILL HAVE TO COME ON SITE.
THEY HAVE TO COME ON SITE EVERY SINGLE DAY.
THEY HAVE TO CHECK EVERYTHING, UH, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD A POOL, THEY'LL, THEY'LL CHECK THE LEVELS, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S GOOD, COPACETIC AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO PLEASE BE THINKING OF THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS A REOCCURRING COST.
AND THIS IS ALSO REALLY COOL, UM, TOO, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE REC CENTER, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD A BUDGET AND, UM, WE WEREN'T REALLY SURE HOW MUCH THE OPERATING COSTS AND THOSE THINGS WERE GONNA BE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AFTER THAT FIRST YEAR, WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF TIE INTO IT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, I KNOW JODY AND I WERE DEFINITELY DISCUSSING, UM, WAS, YOU KNOW, BJ, SW AND CONNECTING TO CERTAIN PLACES AND THE WATER USE AND ALL THAT.
SO THAT'S DEFINITELY GONNA PLAY IN THE TYPE OF SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE WITH A SPLASH PAD.
UM, BUT AGAIN, A LOT OF WEEDS AND THAT WILL BORE ALL OF YOU TO DEATH TODAY.
UM, SO WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT JUST YET.
AND THEN AGAIN, USAGE FEES, UH, THESE ARE JUST APPROXIMATE, UH, NUMBERS.
I THINK THEY'RE GETTING READY TO GO UP UPWARD, DOUBLE DOUBLE, WHO KNOWS, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS.
UM, SO THE TOTAL AND BUILD WITH ALL THAT WAS RIGHT AROUND ONE SIX.
AND THEN ANNUAL MAINTENANCE, UM, IS RIGHT AROUND 88,000.
THAT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION YOUR CPO AND ANY EQUIPMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO DO WITH SUPPLIES AS WELL.
SO THIS IS THE SAME THING, JUST BROKEN DOWN WHAT I JUST WENT PIECE BY PIECE.
IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUT THE LAND, ALL OF THAT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR CONSTRUCTION COST, UM, TO BE ABOUT 1000 OR 1 MILLION, UH, $93 AND SOME CHANGE.
UM, BLUFFS, I THINK IS A LITTLE OVER 800,000 RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO AGAIN, AND THEIR ANNUAL MAINTENANCE COSTS, UM, ARE RIGHT AROUND THE SAME WITH OURS.
PLUS THEY HAVE BUILT IN STAFF THAT ARE DOING ALL THIS.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, BLUFFTON IS ALSO GETTING A, UM, ARE THEY GONNA DO A CPO OR WERE THEY HIRING A FIRM TO COME IN AND DO IT FOR THE FIRST YEAR, MAYBE INTO HIS CONTRACT WITH THE MANUFACTURER OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY PROVIDE A ONE YEAR SERVICE AGREEMENT FOR $36,000.
BUT THAT'S EVERY SINGLE DAY ON SITE.
OKAY? 365 DAYS OF COMING OUT, WATER TESTING, CLEANING THE PAD, MAKING SURE THE EQUIPMENT'S NOT FAILING, DOING TESTS.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A CHEAP AMOUNT, BUT YEAH.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO, AND AGAIN, WITH THE BUDGET, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE KNOWS WE, WE'VE GOT A LOT COMING DOWN THE CIP, UM, SO A LOT OF OUR FUNDS ARE TIED UP INTO PROJECTS.
WE HAVE JUJU HUDSON THAT'S GETTING READY TO BE DONE.
WE'VE GOT DEVELOPMENT FEES THAT ARE TIED INTO THAT, UH, ARPA FUNDING THAT'S TIED INTO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE PARKING LOT PROJECT, SAME THING.
UM, SO, BUT WITH DA FEES, WE'RE CONSTANTLY GETTING THOSE
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FEES IN.AND THEN WE ALSO ARE ABLE TO UTILIZE SOME OF THE LOCAL HOSPITALITY, UM, FOR THIS AS WELL.
WE DEFINITELY HAVE OPTIONS FOR FUNDING.
UM, AND AGAIN, I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, JUST WANNA WRITE IT TO THE, UH, TODAY, TOMORROW,
COULD BE A, AN AVENUE THAT WE COULD HELP.
WE HAVE, REMEMBER YOU SEE SOME OF THE GRANT BUDDIES, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S DOING ANY LINE ITEMS OR NOT, BUT AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE TIME THAT WE PROBABLY START TO EVEN HAVING THAT CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM.
SO YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'LL BE RETURNING IN JANUARY AND TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE BUDGET ITEMS. UM, I THINK BILL WOULD BE VERY RECEPTIVE TO TRY TO WORK SOMETHING FOR US THAT DOES, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT WOULD HAPPEN, BUT CERTAINLY ANOTHER AVENUE TO EXPLORE.
YEAH, THAT'S PART OF THE GRANTS WITH PARD, UM, FOR SURE.
SO, AND I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE IN HERE AS WELL.
UM, BUT, UH, SO ANYWAY, I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE IS, IS JUST REALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU GUYS CAN EITHER APPROVE THE SITE RECOMMENDED BY STAFF OR YOU CAN REDIRECT, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE WE, WE'LL NEED TO FIND THE FUNDING SOURCE.
UM, SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, JODY DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, GO CRAZY, UM, MAKING SURE WE HAVE EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, SET, UM, AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND THEN OF COURSE, ONCE IT'S APPROVED, UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY BEGIN TO DO THE DESIGN BUILD PROCESS.
WE'LL BRING ALL THAT STUFF BACK TO YOU.
UM, AND THEN I THINK THIS IS THE LAST, YEAH.
SO, UM, I JUST WANT, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL TO TALK, UM, TO, I MEAN THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS YOUR DECISION AND, AND WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU WANT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
PARKS AND RECREATION IS DEFINITELY GONNA LEAD THE WAY WITHOUT WHATEVER WAY YOU'D LIKE TO DIRECT US IN, IN MOVING ON THIS PATH.
THIS MAY COME AS A SURPRISE, BUT I SEE NO BETTER WAY TO HONOR MR. CARROLL THAN BE BY PUTTING A LOT OF KIDS IN HIS PARK.
AND NEXT WEEK, IS THAT ENOUGH TIME TO GET THIS DONE?
I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MAYOR, BUT DO WE HAVE A SPACE THERE? WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR VETERANS PARK THERE.
WE JUST TALKED TO TED ABOUT PARKING.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO EXPAND THE RETENTION POND THAT'S THERE.
I MEAN, WILL IT BE TIGHT OR WILL, IS IT WORKABLE? IT'S WORKABLE.
AND THAT'S, AND AND MIND YOU, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN BLUFFTON IS ROUGHLY 2,800 OR CLOSE TO 3000 SQUARE FEET.
WE'RE PROPOSING A 2000 SQUARE FOOT PAD, BUT IT CAN FIT BETWEEN THE EXISTING OLD CITY HALL AND THE LIBRARY.
AND WE'VE EVEN DISCUSSED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL BUTTERFLY GARDEN.
BUT IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LOCATION FOR PEOPLE DRIVING DOWN MAIN STREET TO SEE AN ACTIVE, VIBRANT CITY.
SOMETHING THAT'S OBVIOUSLY IT IS.
WE DISCUSSED, UH, A SPRAY PAD ALSO.
DO YOU, YOU WENT IN FAVOR OF A SPLASH PAD INSTEAD OF A SPRAY PAD? YES, SIR.
UM, SO THE SPRAY PAD CAN, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT TO PUT MY PLUG IN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE 57 SQUARE MILES ONE PARK, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD.
UH, ANYONE THAT GOES DOWN TO SAVANNAH SEES THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE.
ELLA SQUARE, YOU WALK RIGHT OUT, THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE THERE.
UM, FORESIGHT PARK HAS GOT A REALLY BIG ONE.
SO THOSE ARE DEFINITELY THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT ADDING.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE COULDN'T DO IN THE BACK, UM, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH JUST THE JUJU HUDSON CYCLE WITH DHC AND ALL OF THAT, AND B-J-S-W-A GETTING THOSE APPROVALS, IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR, AND JODY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UM, WE WERE GONNA HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME TRYING TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT THIS BACK THERE WITH ALL OF THE ISSUES WITH WATER AND FLOW AND ALL THAT.
UM, AS WELL AS THE SPACING, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WE LOOKED AT ALSO PUTTING IT RIGHT BESIDE IT WHERE THE PARKING LOT WAS.
BUT THEN SOFTBALL, IF YOU'VE GOT A GAME COMING ON, A SOFTBALL CAN FLY OVER, HIT ONE OF THE KIDS.
AND WE DIDN'T WANNA TAKE AWAY THE PARKING BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF OUR NUMBER ONE ISSUES DOWN THE PARK, IS WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BEAUTIFUL AMENITIES.
BUT LIKE YESTERDAY, WE, WE DROVE BY, I HAD TO TURN LIGHTS ON LAST NIGHT AND NOWHERE TO PARK.
SO, BUT YES, WE DID LOOK AT IT AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALWAYS ADD TO FUTURE PARKS DOWN THE ROAD.
AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING AS WE, AS THE CITY GRIDS LARGER AND LARGER AND, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY MAYBE SOME BUDGET TIME, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT A, AT A, AT A COMPLETE PLAN THAT TAKES ALL GROWTH, DEVELOPMENT, CONSIDERATION, UM, AND WHERE WE WANNA
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PUT THESE THINGS AT.IF THERE'S A TRAIL OR A MEMORIAL PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND WE CAN ALSO HAVE A PLAYGROUND SPLASH OR SPRAY PAD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS WELL.
SO YES, SIR, WE DID LOOK AT IT BECAUSE SOME OF OUR COMMUNITIES, AS WE COME ON MINE ALONE, OR WE DON'T NEED A PLAYGROUND IN IT, SUN CITY, WE DON'T NEED A PLAYGROUND IN IT.
AND, AND WE'RE REQUIRING RECREATIONAL IN EVERY NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING IN.
SO WE ARE GONNA TAKE SOME OF THE LOAD OFF OF, UH, OF THAT.
UM, I HOPE WE CAN GET IT INTO THAT SPACE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT DOWN THERE.
UM, BUT MY, THE REASON I QUESTIONED THE, UH, SPRAY PAD IS, IS THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE AND EVERYTHING ELSE ON THAT.
IS THERE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO? NO.
THE, YOUR MA YOUR MOST EXPENSIVE PORTION OF THIS IS NOT, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE LIKE, OH, WE CAN BUILD A SPLASH PAD FOR HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
HOWEVER, ALL OF THE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO, UM, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT SYSTEM THAT YOU WANT, I WOULD MUCH RATHER YOU PUT AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, $150,000 AHEAD UPFRONT AND EAT THAT COST VERSUS EATING THAT COST WITH THE WATER.
BECAUSE AGAIN, WATER IS THE UNKNOWN.
AND RIGHT NOW, EVERYONE, I MEAN, YOU EITHER HAVE TOO MUCH WATER ON THE GROUND OR WE'RE NOT GETTING THE RIGHT WATER.
I MEAN, THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO, TO HAPPEN.
MAYBE WE COULD GET SOME OVERLOAD.
YEP, THIS IS, YEAH, I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS, THIS IS A, THIS HAS HAPPENED.
SO THEY DO THIS, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT AT THIS SITE, BUT THERE ARE PLACE, UM, FLASH PADS THAT, UM, THAT HAVE THIS, THEY RECYCLE, UH, WATER FROM THE RETENTION AND THEY CONTINUE TO RECYCLE IT.
SO IT GOES BACK INTO THE ENVIRONMENT.
UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE.
BUT THIS SITE THAT WE RECOMMENDED AS STAFF WOULD NOT, IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH TO DO THAT.
WE, WE, WE, WE NEED SOMETHING FOR THE FAMILIES AND THE PEOPLE DOWNTOWN.
AND THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THIS IS GONNA GO IN.
THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I WISH, AND JOHN IS GOING, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE HAD A LAZY RIVER IN JOHN CARROLL YARD.
IT DOESN'T GET ANY CHEAPER THAN THAT THROWN IN A CATER OR TWO.
YOU GET TO RUN A CONCESSION STAND UP.
MATT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? IS, IS THERE ANY, BEFORE WE GO OFF FROM, YOU'VE HEARD FROM ME, YOU'VE HEARD FROM STEVE, JOHN, VAL, YOU ALL, ARE YOU IN ON THIS SITE? YES.
SO I, I THINK, UM, SOUNDS LIKE MAYOR'S ABOUT TO, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THE ONLY SITE, BUT THE MOST REALLY FEASIBLE YEAH.
WITHOUT LOSING SOMETHING ELSE.
YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT THIS, AND I'VE HEARD FROM JEN AND OTHER PEOPLE MANY TIMES.
WE PUT IN THOSE BILLBOARDS ON NINE NINETY FIVE AND WE CALL ALL TIME AND PEOPLE STOP OFF I 95 AND GO TO THE DOG PARK.
IMAGINE HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD COME AND, AND COOL OFF WITH THEIR KIDS AND EVEN SPEND SOME TIME.
AND, AND WITH THE WHOLE DOWNTOWN RENOVATION, WE COULD GET, THE MORE PEOPLE YOU HAVE DRAWN DOWNTOWN PEOPLE DRAW PEOPLE, THE MORE CHANCE WE HAVE WITH THIS RENOVATION PROJECT TO ATTRACT OTHER COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES TO SERVICE THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING OVER ICE CREAM STORE WITH ALL THOSE RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF, I AND, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE MEMORIAL PARK, RIGHT? RIGHT NEAR YEAH.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD, CAN YOU SHOW US A FOOTPRINT OF WHERE IT WOULD BE IN RELATIONSHIP TO EVERYTHING ELSE IN THERE? OH YEAH.
I, I, I'VE GIVEN YOU GUYS, I THINK A COUPLE TIMES I HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN.
UM, SHOW YOU THE, THE, THE, UM, THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE HUB.
AND IF YOU RECALL, THAT'S DONE, LIKE, KIND OF DONE IN PHASES, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY SEPARATE FROM, YOU KNOW, TB, CARROLL PARK.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S CROSS DASHER LANE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, OF THE, UH, LIBRARY FROM TB, CARROLL PARK.
BUT WHAT BETTER WAY TO HONOR THE LEGACY OF SOMEONE WHO A PARK IS NAMED AFTER THAN ACTUALLY ACTIVATE THAT SPACE.
I, I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE COMMITTEE, SO I HAD NO INPUT, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
AND AS FAR AS THE PARKING, CERTAINLY WE'RE CREATING PARKING ALONG, UM, DASHER LANE.
THERE'LL BE SOME TO THE REAR OF THE, UH, OF, OF, OF THE, OF THE NEW PARK.
ALSO, ULTIMATELY IN THE PLAN IS TO, UM, KIND OF REDO MARTIN STREET, SO THERE'S MORE, MUCH MORE PARKING ON MARTIN STREET AS WELL.
SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING AREAS, SPACE, UH, LOTS AS WELL.
SO I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT I, I'LL I'LL SEND YOU OUT LIKE THAT ONE, UM, THAT THAT PARTICULAR SECTION, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT WILL BE THE NEXT STEP IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID AN RFP AND WE GOT THE PARK DESIGN, THE MEMORIAL PARK DESIGN.
THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO DO, GET THAT MASTER PLANNED AS WELL.
AND THE KEY COMPONENT WOULD BE A SPLASH PAD.
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SO I THINK THAT'S SENSE.I WOULD SUGGEST, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, ESPECIALLY WITH THE MEMORIAL PARK AND, AND WE COULD PUBLIC NOTICE IT.
LET'S SCHEDULE A QUOTE WORKSHOP AND LET'S DO ABSOLUTELY.
WE ALL WALK DOWN THERE, SHOW US WHERE IT IS.
I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
SO YOU LOOK AT MAPS AND YOU, YOU THINK, OH YEAH, WHERE WAS IT? AND, AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, THE DASH LAND AND EVERYTHING.
I THINK I WOULD BE PRODUCTIVE.
I WOULD ACTUALLY SUGGEST WE DO THAT AS PART OF AFTER WE DO AN RFP FOR THE DESIGN.
AND YOU GET THAT, THAT CONSULTANT TO DO THAT WHENEVER YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.
SO THEY COULD LEAD THAT DISCUSSION, JUST LIKE WE HAD BEFORE THE, FOR THE MEMORIAL PARK, YOU KNOW, WE HAD INPUT AS WELL.
I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
I I DON'T, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING TO STAFF COMES TO US WITH FUNDING IDEAS.
I, THE, THE QUICKER, THE BETTER AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
DO WE HAVE A PLAN TO KEEP THE POLICEMEN AND THE FIREMEN FROM PLAYING IN THE, IN THE WATER
WE WERE GONNA PUT HIM OUT THERE SUPERVISING.
HIS ONE PIECE AND THE SPEED OF, HE'D HAVE ONE OF THOSE STRIPED ONES.
I HAVE ONE OF THOSE OLD SCHOOL, 1940S.
YOU VERY MUCH, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN PUSHING AT THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE.
THE COMMUNITY ABSOLUTELY NEEDS THIS NOW.
WELL, WE LOVE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE TRAIN AS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PLAY OFF OF AND WE CAN CREATE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S PLAYFUL, IT'S ATTRACTIVE.
IT BLENDS WELL WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THE MEMORIAL PARK BECAUSE WE WANT TO TIE IN SOME OF THAT RAILROAD DESIGN THAT LOOK, AND I THINK THAT TRAIN IS KIND OF FORGOTTEN DOWN THERE.
SO THIS'LL BRING SO MUCH ATTENTION TO IT.
THE DOWNTOWN, EVERYTHING, EVERY FIRE STARTS WITH A SPARK AND WE GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO START THAT SPARK.
OH, STEVE, THIS IS DEFINITELY A, A SPARK, UM, FOR PRT.
SO WE WILL, YOU CAN PAY LATER, JOHN.
THAT'S AN OLD, WE'LL FOLLOW UP
I'M BRINGING MY INFLATABLE OVER INTO YOUR YARD NEXT TIME.
RIGHT? WELL, THIS WAS, I MEAN, INTERESTING.
TALK ABOUT THREE MINUTES FOR YOUR TAKEOFF TIME.
AND, UH, SO ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL BEFORE WE ADJOURN? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL BEFORE WE ADJOURN? OKAY.
JUST, UM, I, I SENT YOU THE NOTES.
WE'VE, WE'VE RESERVED, AND YOU'LL HAVE TO START PUBLICIZING FOR INFORMATIONAL TOWN HALLS.
WE HAVE MONDAY AT, UH, MARGARITAVILLE MARGARITAVILLE, AND NEIL IS, UH, CREATING A LITTLE POWERPOINT SO WE CAN PUT OUT WHAT THE REFERENDUM IS.
UM, CINDY IS RESERVED MONDAY THE SEVENTH, WAS IT? CINDY SEVENTH AT THE REC CENTER.
SEVENTH AT THE REC CENTER FROM, IT'LL BE FROM FIVE TO SEVEN.
AND, UH, WE'VE RENTED ONE CITY FROM FRIDAY.
UH, IT'LL BE FROM THREE 30 TO FIVE 30 BEFORE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.
UM, THAT IS ON THE, UH, EIGHTH.
THE WHAT? ON THE EIGHTH? THE EIGHTH.
SO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE COVERING ALL PARTS OF TOWN.
UM, THERE'LL BE WHAT, WHAT MY, UH, PLAN IS AT THIS POINT IS LIKE EVERY HALF HOUR, GIVE A FIVE MINUTE POWERPOINT ON WHAT IT IS, AND THEN IN BETWEEN PEOPLE CAN, YOU KNOW, MILL AROUND WITH US, ASK QUESTIONS.
WE CAN GIVE 'EM THE BROCHURES.
WE CAN'T ADVOCATE, THIS IS ONLY EDUCATION MATERIAL WE'RE SENDING.
UM, THE SUN CITY REQUIREMENT IS THAT IT HAS TO BE ONLY FOR SUN CITY, BUT OF COURSE ANYBODY FROM THE CITY WE'RE WE'LL GET PAST.
BUT, UM, IT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYBODY WHO'S RUNNING FOR OFFICE.
I WOULD, THERE WILL, THIS WILL NOT BE A CANDIDATE FORM, BUT REC CENTER, I'M NOT GOING TO KICK ANY CANDIDATE OUT.
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SO, UH, DO YOU WANT ME TO ADD IT TO THE CALENDAR THAT I HAVE ALREADY?YEAH, I KNOW ON THE EIGHTH I'M GONE.
TUESDAY WHAT? THAT HEADLIGHTS? MONDAY THE SEVENTH.
I, I STILL HAVEN'T GOT HEARD BACK FROM, UH, ALRIGHT.
THE ONE WHO MANAGES THE CALENDAR.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET, UH, THE INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC ON WHAT THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX IS ABOUT.
UM, JUST STRICTLY GIVE THE FACTS AND THAT'S IT.