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GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE, AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED OUR MEETING.
[CALL TO ORDER]
SO WE'VE HAD, UH, THE INVITATION AND PLEDGE ALREADY.SO WE ARE NOW GOING TO, UH, HAVE A MOTION TO RETURN TO REGULAR SESSION FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? MOTION WE RETURN TO REGULAR SESSION.
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WE HAVE A[EXECUTIVE SESSION]
MOTION.WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.
UM, NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES, YOUR HONOR.
SO WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE
[PUBLIC COMMENTS (3 MINUTE TIME LIMIT)]
THE INTRODUCTION OF GABE KING, A NETWORK ADMINISTRATOR.[PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS]
LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UH, A NEW MEMBER OF OUR TEAM, UH, FOR THE, UH, COMMUNICATIONS IT AND DIGITAL SOLUTIONS DEPARTMENT.UM, HE'LL BE WORKING ON THE IT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UH,
[INTRODUCTION OF GABE KING-NETWORK ADMINISTRATOR]
AS A NETWORK ADMINISTRATOR, UM, KNOWN FOR A FEW YEARS.WE CROSSED PATHS AT HARRAY WHEN I WORKED FOR HARRAY.
HE SUPPORTED THE CITY OF HARVILLE IN THE PAST AS WELL WHEN HE WAS AT HARRAY.
BUT I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE GABE KING.
A NAME I KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE.
UH, I WAS WITH HARGRAVE BEFORE THIS, AND THEN JOHNSON, MATTHEW.
I'VE BEEN A IT PERSON FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS, AND GLAD TO BE HERE.
AND WE WISH YOU A LOT OF SUCCESS AND HAPPINESS.
ANYBODY WANNA WELCOME GABE? GOOD TO HAVE YOU.
UM, NEXT WE HAVE THE INTRODUCTION OF MICHAEL WILSON, MAINTENANCE TECH, MR. BROWN.
UH, GOOD EVENING, UH, COUNSEL.
UH, A NEW ADDITION TO, UH, PUBLIC WORKS GROUNDS CREW.
[INTRODUCTION OF MICHAEL WILSON-MAINTENANCE TECH]
SO HAPPY TO HAVE HIM IN AS WELL, JOSE HERE, WE'LL INTRODUCE HIM HERE IN A SECOND.UM, THESE GUYS ARE, ARE MAKING OUR GROUNDS CREWS SO MUCH BETTER BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO DO SO MUCH MORE OUT THERE, AND SO WE DO APPRECIATE THEM COMING.
LET ME GIVE YOU A QUICK ONE ABOUT MIKE HERE.
HE ACTUALLY SECOND PERSON IN MY TEAM NOW THAT ACTUALLY WENT TO SCHOOL IN THIS BUILDING.
I FIND THAT HARD TO BELIEVE, HOWEVER, UH, THAT IS A FACT.
SO, UH, PRETTY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
UH, HE KNOWS THE CITY VERY, VERY WELL, THREE KIDS.
UH, AND, UH, SO FAR HE IS KNOCKING IT OUTTA THE PARK.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANNA TELL US ABOUT, UH, YOUR FAMILY AND, AND, UH, THE, ANYTHING YOU WANNA SHARE? UH, NOT REALLY.
WELL, WE, WE, UH, WELCOME YOU.
GREAT TO HAPPINESS IN WORKING FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.
DID ANYONE LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING TO MIKE? WHAT YEARS DID YOU GO HERE TO SCHOOL? I GRADUATED 85 IN, UH, TO, TO THE HIGH SCHOOL WEST HARVILLE? YES, SIR.
WHAT YEARS DID YOU GO HERE? UH, UH, 80 HAD TO BE 81, 80 SOMEWHERE 79, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.
SO I WENT HERE TOO, SO I DID YOU, OH YEAH, THAT PIT WAS A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THEN, RIGHT? DID HE HAVE 50 THEN, JOHN? A FEW, FEW DECADES, YEAH.
HE SPENT FOUR OF THE HAPPIEST YEARS OF HIS LIFE IN GRADE
I THOUGHT HE WAS CLIMBING THE TREE.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU'LL HAVE AS MUCH FUN AS WE HAVE UP HERE ON OCCASION.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ONE IS, UH, JOSE MORROW AGAIN, UH, WITH, UH, WITH OUR GROUNDS CREW.
[INTRODUCTION OF JOSE MORA-MAINTENANCE TECH]
OR IN CALIFORNIA.RAISED HERE IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
HAS TWO KIDS, FIANCE, UH, HE'S COMING TO US.
UH, WE JUST, UM, WAS WORKING WITH THE GREENERY, SO HE'S GOT A LOT OF GREAT EXPERIENCE WHEN IT COMES TO LANDSCAPING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE THAT QUITE WELL.
AND, UH, SO YOU HAVE A COUPLE KIDS YOU LIVE, UH, AND, UH, SO NO.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA SHARE? UM, WELL, BORN CALIFORNIA AND RAISED IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
ALSO USED TO WORK AT CHE CREEK CLUB.
DO A LITTLE BIT OF GOLFING, A LITTLE BIT OF SOCCER AND BASKETBALL.
WELL, WELCOME GRADUAT AND GRADUATED FROM HARDY.
WHAT PART OF CALIFORNIA WERE YOU BORN IN? FRESNO.
I REMEMBER HE WAS MY TEACHER FROM ONE AT ONE POINT.
THAT WAS IN WEST HARVILLE HIGH SCHOOL.
YO, JOHN, HOW DO YOU PLAY THE TIME? ABOUT SIXTH GRADE.
EVER SINCE, EVER SINCE LINCOLN.
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YOU WERE A GIFTED.I HE LEFT ME AN OPENING, BUT, UM, WELCOME.
WE WISH YOU A LOT OF HAPPINESS WORKING FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.
ANYONE WELCOME, WELCOME, WELCOME, COUNCIL.
NEXT WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION AND APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE
[PRESENTATION & APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2024 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 5TH? MAKE A MOTION.
WE APPROVE THE MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 5TH.
[SEPTEMBER 05, 2024, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING]
OR QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL? SEEING NONE.[OLD BUSINESS]
BUSINESS.THIS IS SECOND READING OVER ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARVILLE TO MAD PORTION OF PARCEL 0 6 7 DASH 0 0 1 DASH OH FIVE FOUR, KNOWN AS PENINSULA TRACT THREE C3, CONSISTING
[SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE SOUTH CAROLINA TO ANNEX A PORTION OF PARCEL 067-00-01-054 KNOWN AS PENINSULA TRACT C3 CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY +/- 15.768 ACRES OF REAL ESTATE LOCATED IN JASPER COUNTY NOT ALREADY WITHIN THE HARDEEVILLE CITY LIMITS, AS WELL AS ADJACENT PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY, RAILROAD RIGHTS OF WAY, WATERS, LOWLANDS, AND WETLANDS. (2024-9-5A)]
OF APPROXIMATELY 15.7 ACRES.UM, THIS IS ORDINANCE 2024 DASH NINE DASH FIVE A, THE SECOND READING AND FINAL READING AND FINAL VOTE ON THIS ORDINANCE.
UM, MR. ZIBO, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH US? I, I DO NOT.
AND WE RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF SECOND READING.
UM, MR. CARROLL, YOU WANNA LEAD US OFF? UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS I ASK AND WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON FIRST READING, SO, UM, NO, SIR.
MR. WHITE, I AGREE THAT THE FIRST READING GAVE US, UH, GOOD INFORMATION AND ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
MRS. GUZMAN, NO QUESTIONS, SIR.
WE, UH, WENT OVER THIS PRETTY THOROUGHLY AT THE LAST MEETING, SO, UH, I'M SATISFIED.
SO, UH, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
[PUBLIC HEARING]
LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, ASK A QUESTION.SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO.
THIS IS ORDINANCE 2024 DASH NINE DASH FIVE A.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 2024 DASH NINE DASH FIVE A.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.
THIS IS ALSO A SECOND READING.
WE DID, UH, DISCUSS THIS AT THE LAST MEETING.
ALSO, UH, THIS IS TO AMEND THE ZONING FOR A PORTION
[SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE SOUTH CAROLINA TO AMEND THE ZONING FOR A PORTION OF PARCEL 067-00-01-054 KNOWN AS PENINSULA TRACT C3 CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY +/- 15.768 ACRES FROM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT (PDD) IN JASPER COUNTY TO MIXED USE (MU) IN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE AND AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE. (2024-9-5B)]
OF THIS PARCEL, SAME 15.7 ACRES, AND THIS CHANGES THE ZONING FROM PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IN JASPER COUNTY TO MIXED USE IN THE CITY OF HARDY.MR. ZIBO, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH US? NO, SIR.
WE RECOMMEND ADOPTION AT SECONDEE.
SO, UH, MR. MESMAN, LET'S START WITH YOU.
AGAIN, THIS WAS ALL, UH, DISCUSSED LAST WEEK OR LAST MEETING.
SO AT THIS POINT I'D LIKE TO, TO INVITE THE PUBLIC TO, UH, ASK ANY
[PUBLIC HEARING]
QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING, UH, THIS 15 ACRES.SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.
THIS IS ORDINANCE 2024 DASH NINE DASH FIVE B.
MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ON SECOND READING ORDINANCE 2024 DASH NINE DASH FIVE B.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.
NOW WE GO TO, UH, THE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDY VILLAGE TO ADOPT THE
[SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE SOUTH CAROLINA TO ADOPT A MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL FOR A TRACT OF LAND CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY +/- 63.1 ACRES, KNOWN GENERALLY AS OSPREY VILLAGE LOCATED ON PARCEL 5 OF THE EAST ARGENT DEVELOPMENT TO INCLUDE PARCELS 066-00-00-023 & 066-00-00-011 LOCATED ON EAST ARGENT PARKWAY IN THE EAST ARGENT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE TO INDICATE THAT PORTION SUBJECT TO THE MASTER PLAN. (2024-9-5C)]
MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL FOR 63 ACRES, KNOWN GENERALLY AS OSPREY VILLAGE.THIS IS A SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE 2024 DASH NINE DASH FIVE C.
MR. ZIBO, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO ADD TO THE SECOND READING OF THIS
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ORDINANCE? NO, OTHER THAN MR. MAYOR THAT WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND, NOT JUST RECOMMEND, HIGHLY RECOMMEND ADOPTION AT SECOND READING FOR THIS WONDERFUL PROJECT.OKAY, SO WE ARE, UH, LET'S GO WITH MR. MESMAN AGAIN.
UM, THIS PROJECT IS VERY UNIQUE.
IT'S, I'M VERY PROUD THAT HARDY V HAS TAKEN A LEAD, UH, FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT.
THIS IS SOMETHING I REALLY FEEL THAT, UH, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THE NATION MAY BE COMING HERE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ESTABLISH WITH THIS.
SO I SUPPORT THIS 110% MRS. GUZMAN, AND I DITO WHAT MR. MESMAN SAID.
I THINK THIS IS A FABULOUS PROJECT AND ALL THE BEST TO YOU GUYS.
IT IS A CUTTING EDGE PROJECT, AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE EXCITING TO STATE THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I ECHO EVERY, WHAT EVERYBODY SAID.
UH, WE KNOW ONLY HAD A DISCUSSION, BUT A LITTLE PRESENTATION LAST TWO WEEKS AGO.
I JUST TO REITERATE, UH, OUR THANKS, UM, TO, UH, MR. COGGIN AND HIS ORGANIZATION, OUR THANKS TO, UH, VILLAGE, FOR ALL THE WORK THEY'VE PUT INTO MAKING THIS A REALITY.
AND I THINK THIS IS JUST A WONDERFUL THING FOR ADDITION TO OUR COMMUNITY.
SO WE WISH YOU A LOT OF LUCK AND, AND HOPE THAT, UM, THIS IS BENEFITS SO MANY PEOPLE WHO, WHO NEED THAT HELP.
SO, UM, I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD TO THAT.
I'D LIKE NOW TO OFFER THE PUBLIC TO COME FORWARD
[PUBLIC HEARING]
AND, UM, ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY COMMENTS.SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.
THIS IS SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE 2024 DASH NINE DASH FIVE C.
MR. MAYOR, I'D BE HONORED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 2024 DASH NINE DASH FIVE C.
WHO, WHO, WHO ALL, JEFF AND EVERYBODY FROM PHILOSOPHY VILLAGE, WHO, YOU KNOW, UH, GOOD LUCK.
[NEW BUSINESS]
MEETING OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO ADOPT THE MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL FOR ATTRACTIVE LAND CONSISTING APPROXIMATELY OF 356 ACRES, KNOWN[FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE SOUTH CAROLINA TO ADOPT A MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL FOR A TRACT OF LAND CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY +/- 356.4 ACRES KNOWN GENERALLY AS SOUTHPOINT INFRASTRUCTURE MASTER PLAN LOCATED BETWEEN US HWY 278, I-95 AND JOHN SMITH ROAD TO INCLUDE PARCELS 041-00-03-028 & 042-00-04-019 LOCATED IN THE SOUTHPOINT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE TO INDICATE THAT PORTION SUBJECT TO THE MASTER PLAN. (2024-9-18A)]
GENERALLY AS SOUTH POINT INFRASTRUCTURE MASTER PLAN LOCATED BETWEEN US HIGHWAY 2 78 I 95, AND JOHN SMITH ROAD TO INCLUDE PARCELS OH FOUR ONE DASH ZERO ZERO DASH THREE DASH OH TWO EIGHT.AND, UH, 4 2 0 0 0 4 0 1 9 LOCATED IN THE SOUTH POINT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
AND TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARVILLE TO INDICATE THAT PORTION SUBJECT TO THE MASTER PLAN.
THIS IS FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE 2024 DASH NINE DASH 18 A.
MR. ZIBO, PLEASE, MS. KATIE, TAKE IT AWAY PLEASE.
I, UM, WE DID A PRETTY THOROUGH, UM, PRESENTATION AT THE WORKSHOP, SO I'M JUST GOING TO DO A LITTLE RECAP SINCE THIS IS FIRST READING.
AND THEN, UM, THE APPLICANT WILL COME AND SPEAK TO HOW THEY'RE ADDRESSING YOUR CONCERNS FROM THE WORKSHOP.
SO, UM, AGAIN, A LITTLE HISTORY FOR THE PUBLIC.
UM, THIS ORIGINALLY CAME THROUGH AS A PDD AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND INITIAL MASTER PLAN, UM, BACK IN MAY OF 22.
UM, THOSE APPLICATIONS WERE DENIED.
THEY DID RESUBMIT FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ONLY, UM, IN OCTOBER OF 22.
AND IT WAS APPROVED IN NOVEMBER OF 22.
THIS APPLICATION IS FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE ONLY.
SO THAT'S THE ROAD AND UTILITIES FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL ON A AUGUST 14TH OF THIS YEAR.
UM, AND A WORKSHOP WAS HELD ON SEPTEMBER 5TH.
THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN, THE RED SHOWS THE HIGHLIGHTED ROAD NETWORK.
HERE WE HAVE THE APPROVED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ZONING.
UM, AND THEN THE, ANOTHER ILLUSTRATION HERE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE INITIAL MASTER PLAN, YOU CAN SEE THE ROAD NETWORK PRETTY MUCH FOLLOWS WHAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL APPROVED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
UM, THIS IS SIMILAR AS EAST AR.
THEY GOT APPROVAL FOR THEIR SPINE ROAD AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENTS CAME IN AFTERWARDS.
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UM, OFF OF THAT.SO INDIVIDUAL INITIAL MASTER PLANS FOR ANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WILL NEED TO COME BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO ANY DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
YEAH, SO IT'S THE ROAD AND UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PARCELS AND TRACKS WITHIN THE PDD.
UM, THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REQUIRES CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN PARCELS AS APPROPRIATE.
THIS WILL PROVIDE, UM, VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY FROM 2 78 TO JOHN SMITH ROAD.
UM, AND IT WILL CREATE THE FIRST PORTION OF A POTENTIAL FRONTAGE ROAD, WHICH COULD CONNECT, UM, NOT ONLY TO EXIT EIGHT, BUT TO THE MORGAN TRACK AND POTENTIALLY TO THE LATITUDE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AREA.
THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY REVIEW PDDS AND DOCUMENT TRANSPORTATION RESPONSIBILITIES AND PROJECTS, AS WELL AS INCREASED COLLABORATION BETWEEN CITY STAFF, S-C-D-O-T AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ON TRANSPORTATION NEEDS.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED, UM, CLOSELY IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY S-C-D-O-T AND THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS IN ORDER TO ADDRESS MITIGATION FOR CURRENT AND FUTURE CONCERNS.
UM, THERE ARE CONSULTANTS HERE THAT CAN SPEAK MORE TO THOSE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, UM, FOR YOU IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
UM, AND AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE BRIAN MCCLURE TO SPEAK TO THE CONCERNS AT THE WORKSHOP.
THAT'S WHAT WE, I BROUGHT MY, THERE YOU GO, KEVIN.
I'M GLAD TO BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU ALL.
WE, UM, I THOUGHT THAT WORKSHOP THAT WE HAD WAS, UH, A HUGE HELP BY THE WAY.
SO YOU GAVE US SOME HOMEWORK, WE WENT BACK AND WE, UH, WE GOT TO IT.
SO, UM, I, UM, I WANNA POINT OUT MY ENTIRE STAFF IS HERE TONIGHT, UH, ON ALL OF OUR CONSULTANTS, OBVIOUSLY MY PARTNER KEVIN FARIO.
SO WE GOT, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND, AND HOPEFULLY GET AN APPROVAL THIS EVENING.
UM, I'LL ALSO POINT OUT RYAN LEE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOSPITAL IS HERE TONIGHT.
UM, HE'S, YOU KNOW, UH, GOT A LITTLE PART OF THIS, UH, IN, IN, IN REFERENCE TO THE SEWER.
AND I HEARD WE GOT SOME GOOD NEWS THIS MORNING ON, UM, TRAVEL CENTER AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS APPROVED.
SO I THINK THAT THOSE ARE ALL KEY POINTS.
UM, SO LET ME JUST GO THROUGH AND JUST RECITE A FEW THINGS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT BEFORE WE GET INTO THE, SOME OF OUR, OUR, UH, CONSULTANTS.
I JUST WANNA REITERATE WHAT WE ARE SEEKING TONIGHT.
WE ARE SEEKING APPROVAL OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE DESIGN ONLY.
WE HAVE A PDD APPROVAL, AND WE'VE COMPLIED WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN ASKED WITH THAT PDD APPROVAL.
SO, AND I THINK WE MEET OR EXCEED ALL OF THE CONDITIONS OF OUR APPROVED PDD.
AND I THINK ABOUT SOMETHING MR. WHITE SAID TO US.
HE SAID, DON'T COME BACK WITH US WITH A 51 49 SOLUTION.
YOU WANNA SEE MORE LIKE A 90 10.
SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND WE'LL PRESENT SOME OF THOSE THINGS TONIGHT, MR. WHITE.
SO I THINK WE'VE IMPROVED ON THAT BASED ON YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR CRITIQUE.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING IN GOOD FAITH BASED ON THIS APPROVAL THAT WE RECEIVED ON ENGINEERING AND FINAL DESIGNS.
WE HAVE FOLLOWED ALL OF THE GUIDELINES AND KEPT THE STAFF INFORMED IN A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH STAFF.
WE RECEIVED THIS UNANIMOUS PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL TWO WEEKS AGO.
UH, WE HAVE THE FULL SUPPORT OF THE TOWN STAFF, THE TOWN'S CONSULTANTS, MULTIPLE ENGINEERING FIRMS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT, AND FOR TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS.
SO ALL OF THE EXPERTS THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED, INCLUDING THE TOWN STAFF, WHO WE GENUINELY APPRECIATE THEIR INPUT, HAVE A, HAVE, ARE BEHIND THIS PROJECT.
WE'VE BEEN ALSO COOPERATING WITH THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS ON THE DESIGN ELEMENTS AND OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS AND FINALIZING A THREE PARTY MOU.
AND THAT'S WITH THE, UM, WEST ORIGIN AND THE MORGAN TRACK, WHICH IS NOT NORMAL, BY THE WAY, TO BE ABLE TO GET CONSENSUS BETWEEN THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
BUT IT'S BEEN ESSENTIAL TO MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK.
UM, WE'VE ALSO BEEN MEETING WITH EXIT EIGHT STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE, THAT ARE ALL RELATED, AND BEAUFORT JASPER TO PROVIDE A SEWER SOLUTION FOR THESE VALUABLE AREA PROJECTS, INCLUDING THE HOSPITAL AND THE DESTINATION TRAVEL CENTER THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
OUR PRIMARY ROAD, AS YOU SEE THERE, THE, THE, I'VE GOT MY HANDY TOOL HERE.
THIS ROAD HAS BEEN SURVEYED, PLATTED, DESIGNED AND ENGINEERED.
WE'VE ALSO COORDINATED WITH SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ON THIS PORTION HERE.
SO ALL THAT HAS BEEN CONVEYED DEEDED TO SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO EXPRESS IS ALL OF THAT IS FIXED.
THAT IS, THAT IS GONNA BE THERE.
UM, SO, AND AGAIN, I THE ONE LAST POINT BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO SOME OF OUR CONSULTANTS, IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS SAY THE WIDENING OF
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2 78 IS NOT ESSENTIAL FOR SOUTH POINT TO FUNCTION AND FUNCTION SAFELY.IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO WAIT ON THE REFERENDUM.
I THINK WE HAVE DESIGNED THIS TO WORK WITHOUT IT, IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A BENEFIT, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE ROAD SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS PUTTING, IT STOPS HERE, AND THEN WE'RE PICKING IT UP IN THIS AREA.
SO WE'VE GOT A SMALL PORTION THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THE REFERENDUM ANYWAY.
SO IN ANY EVENT, IT WOULD BE A BIG BONUS.
SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I, I HAVE TO ADD, YOU KNOW, IN MY INTRODUCTION.
BUT I WANNA SAY WE THINK WE'RE MORE OF THE SOLUTION THAN THE PROBLEM.
AND I THINK WE BASICALLY CAN, CAN SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS BY, BY BEING A PARTNER IN THIS, IN THIS PROCESS.
SO I'LL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER, UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA SPEAK? LET'S, EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, UH, PRESENT, LET'S DO THAT FIRST AND THEN I'LL OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL FOR QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT? I MEAN, UH, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE, MR WELL, WHY DON'T WE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN ASK THE QUESTIONS IF YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO GO THROUGH THE, WELL, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME BACK UP FOR JUST A SECOND IF YOU DON'T MIND, MR. MAYOR.
SO EACH OF YOU HAD GOOD CRITICISM AND EVERY, WE, WE WENT BACK LIKE MRS. GUZMAN, SHE ASKED US TO FOCUS ON THE WETLANDS.
SHE ASKED US TO FOCUS ON THE BUFFERS AND, AND, UM, THE STORM WATER.
SO WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL OF THOSE CONCERNS AND WE, WE HAVE SOME EXHIBITS TO SHOW YOU HOW WE'VE ENHANCED THAT MRS. GUZMAN.
SO WHY DON'T YOU SHOW THE ORDERS? OKAY, LET'S DO THAT.
I, I WILLIE WE, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE MR. MESMAN, YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN GOING ON DOWN THE LINE.
WITH, UH, WARD EDWARDS ENGINEERING.
UH, WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS, UM, GOING BACK TO THE VERY BEGINNING, UH, HELP WITH THE PDD ON THE FRONT END.
AND NOW WITH THIS, THIS FIRST INFRASTRUCTURE PIECE OF THE INP AND IN MISS SUZMAN, WE, WE TOOK OUR CONCERNS AND OUR QUESTIONS FROM THE WORKSHOP.
AND, AND WHAT WE HAVE EVALUATED, UH, SINCE THEN IS, AND IT'S NOT ONLY SHOWN ON THIS EXHIBIT 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S, THIS IS REALLY A ROAD, UH, EXHIBIT, BUT THERE ARE, UH, STORMWATER FACILITIES THAT ARE HERE.
UH, ALSO THERE ARE, UH, FACILITIES THAT ARE IN THIS AREA, IN THIS AREA TO HELP TREAT STORMWATER FROM THIS ROAD NETWORK.
AND, UH, PER THE, THE PDD AND THE CITY REQUIREMENTS, WE ARE REQUIRED TO, UH, TREAT UP TO THE 25 YEAR DESIGN STORM.
WE HAVE EVALUATED THIS AND ENSURE THAT WE ACTUALLY CAN HANDLE THE 50 YEAR DESIGN STORM.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO ABOVE AND BEYOND FROM A, UH, A FLOOD CONTROL STANDPOINT TO HANDLE THE 50 YEAR DESIGN STORM, UH, FOR ALL OF THIS ROAD NETWORK THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THIS SCREEN.
UM, AND THEN SEPARATELY, IN TERMS OF THESE, UH, COVERT CROSSINGS AND ANY KIND OF, OF, OF WETLAND CROSSING, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO HANDLE UP TO THE 500 YEAR DESIGN STORM TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO CONCERNS WITH WATER BACKING UP, UH, ANYWHERE THROUGH THIS PROPERTY TO ALLOW FOR, FOR PROPER CONVEYANCE OF THIS, UH, THROUGH THE, THE SYSTEM.
SO WE, WE'VE, AND THE CITY ONLY REQUIRES THAT TO BE DONE TO A 10 OR 25 YEAR RETURN PERIOD BASED UPON THE LEVEL OF THE ROADWAY.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO TAKE THE, THE, THE PONDS AND THE FLOOD CONTROL UP TO, UH, A 50 YEAR DESIGN STORM, AND THEN THE CULVERTS CAN ACTUALLY GO UP TO A 500 YEAR, UH, DESIGN STORM.
SO THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT WE'VE, UH, EVALUATED SINCE THE WORKSHOP TO ENSURE THAT THAT CAN BE DONE.
AND, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH STAFF IN TERMS OF ENSURING THAT THAT GETS WRITTEN TO THE INP OR MEMORIALIZED.
SO THAT WAY IT'S NOT JUST US TALKING ABOUT IT THAT ACTUALLY GETS PROPERLY, UM, VETTED AND ALSO PROPERLY, UH, IMPLEMENTED DOWN THE ROAD TOO.
SO THAT WAS ONE THING THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT SINCE THE WORKSHOP THAT WE'VE ENSURED WE CAN HANDLE AND, UH, HAVE MADE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR IN THIS SYSTEM.
SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION WITH, WITH THE SPINE ROAD CROSSING SOME OF THOSE JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO BE DAMNED CORRECT.
THEY, IN TERMS, WELL, DAMNED IN TERMS OF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD THIS UP LIKE A CAUSEWAY, UH, IN ORDER TO CROSS THE WETLANDS.
AND SO ANYWHERE WE HAVE THAT KIND OF CROSSING, WE ARE GOING TO ENSURE THAT THE, THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM BELOW THE ROADWAY CAN ALLOW THE 500 YEAR FLOW TO CONTINUE TO MOVE THROUGH THE SITE.
UM, WHICH IS WELL ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR THE, THE CITY AND DOT FOR THAT SECTION.
AND, AND WHERE IS THAT WATER GOING TO EVENTUALLY DUMP OUT? SO THIS IS PART OF A LARGER, UM, WATERSHED.
IT ACTUALLY COMES UNDER 95 THROUGH HERE, CONTINUES TO COME THROUGH, AND THEN EVENTUALLY KIND OF GOES UNDERNEATH 2 78 RIGHT HERE, FLOWS NORTH AND BACK AROUND AGAIN, AND EVENTUALLY BACK DOWN THE, UH, THE GREAT SWAMP AND
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THEN BACK DOWN TO THE, THE NEW RIVER AND THE MAY RIVER THAT DIRECTION.OKAY, BECAUSE I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WITH TROPICAL STORM, DEBBIE.
UM, JESS, CAN WE PULL UP THOSE PICTURES? PLEASE TELL.
YOU, YOU CAN SEE PART OF THE GOLF COURSE IS UNDERWATER.
AND THIS WAS JUST TROPICAL STORM, DEBBIE, WE JUST TWO, ONE AND A HALF, TWO DAYS OF RAIN.
YOU CAN SEE PART OF THE GOLF COURSE IS UNDERWATER.
SOME OF THE SAND TRAPS ARE COMPLETELY UNDERWATER.
YOU SEE THAT VEGETATION STICKING OUT OF THE WATER.
THAT'S HOW FAR INWARD THE WATER CAME IN.
KEEP GOING, CHICK AGAIN, KEEP GOING, JESSICA.
AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE, UM, YARDS BACKYARDS GOT FLOODED PAST THE FENCE LINE.
THIS WAS JUST TROPICAL STORM, DEBBIE.
I'M SURE THOSE DEVELOPERS, WHEN THEY CAME AND PUT THOSE, THOSE LAKES IN, THEY SAID THE SAME THING THAT YOU JUST SAID.
25 YEARS, 50 YEARS, A HUNDRED YEARS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
BUT THOSE FOLKS WENT OFF THE RAILS WHEN DEBBIE CAME THROUGH AND THEY SAW THE FLOOD WATERS RISING.
THAT WAS JUST A TROPICAL STORM.
IT DIDN'T EVEN DROP THE 22 INCHES OF RAIN THEY SAID WAS GOING TO COME.
AND I AM ACTUALLY VERY CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR DEVELOPMENT AND ALL OF THAT STORM WATER THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO, UH, ACCUMULATE THERE WITH ALL THE, UH, ROADS COMING IN AND ALL THE DAMMING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND I WAS JUST READING THROUGH, UH, I WAS JUST READING THROUGH, UM, SOUTH CAROLINA COURT OF LAWS ABOUT, UH, ABOUT SOME OF THESE STUFF.
AND SECTION SIX DASH 29 DASH 1130 ON THE REGULATIONS, IT STATES IN PARTICULAR, THE REGULATIONS SELF PRESCRIBED THAT NO LAND DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING SUBDIVISION PLATS WILL BE APPROVED UNLESS ALL LAND INTENDED FOR USE AS BUILDING SITES CAN BE USED SAFELY FOR BUILDING PURPOSES WITHOUT DANGER FROM FLOOD OR OTHER INUNDATION OR FROM ANY OTHER MINISTERS TO HEALTH SAFETY OR PUBLIC WELFARE.
AND YOU GUYS NEED TO DO BETTER.
SO WHAT I'M NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT WE DID ASK HIM TO PLEASE IF YOU CAN DOUBLE THE REQUIREMENT AND HE DID IN SOME CASES.
AND THEN WHEN YOU SAID DAMMING, THERE WON'T BE ANY DAMMING OF THOSE, THOSE, THOSE BRIDGES WILL ALLOW FOR FREE FLOW OF WATER AND WE'RE GONNA UPSIZE THOSE PIPES.
MRS. GUZMAN, BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID, AND I THINK YOU MADE A A GREAT POINT.
SO I THINK OURS IS GONNA EXCEED EVERY, YOU KNOW, EV EVERY, EVERY REGULATION THAT YOU'RE READING THERE, WE'RE GONNA EXCEED THAT VOLUNTARILY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PRESENTATIONS YOU'D LIKE THE COUNCIL TO SEE BEFORE I OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONING? KEVIN, YOU GOT ANYTHING? YEAH, GOOD EVENING, KEVIN FARIO.
UM, YEAH, THIS EXHIBITS, UM, WAS HELPFUL AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, YOU KNOW, WE SEE THE, UH, ENLARGEMENT THAT KIMBERLY HORNE DID AT THE 2 78 JOHN SMITH INTERSECTION, BUT WHAT DOES THE REST OF JOHN SMITH LOOK LIKE? AND, AND THAT WAS A BIG QUESTION.
AND SO WARD EDWARDS DESIGNED THE REMAINDER OF THE, THE WIDENING THAT'S ANTICIPATED BASED ON ALL THE TRAFFIC STUDIES.
AND SO THE QUESTION WAS, DO WE HAVE SUFFICIENT RIGHT OF WAY, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THE WIDENING? SO THIS EXHIBIT ILLUSTRATES THAT.
AND WE, YOU KNOW, PUT SOME DIMENSIONS ON HERE TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
AGAIN, WE GO FROM A 150 FOOT WIDE RIGHT AWAY AT THE ENTRANCE HERE TO JOHN SMITH.
WE, WE, WE, UH, TAPER DOWN TO 130 FEET WIDE.
AND THEN WE TAPER DOWN AT THIS POINT TO 90 FEET WIDE.
AND THAT'S OUR, PROBABLY OUR TIGHTEST POINT RIGHT THERE, WHICH WE STILL HAVE 20, IT LOOKS LIKE 20 FEET FROM EDGE OF PAVEMENT TO EDGE OF RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEN THIS TRANSITIONS TO A 75 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF JOHN SMITH ROAD, WHERE YOU SEE WE'RE ON A SMALLER ROAD SECTION.
IT'S A THREE LANE ROAD SECTION HERE, AND THEN IT ULTIMATELY TAPERS DOWN TO A TWO.
SO THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT DOES THE 4, 3 2 LOOK LIKE? AND THIS HELPS PROVIDE THAT AND HOPEFULLY A LEVEL OF COMFORT THAT THE RIGHT OF WAYS IS IN, IN PLACE, I THINK RIGHT IN THIS AREA.
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FROM EDGE OF PAVEMENT TO THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY.AND, AND THIS KIND OF LEADS INTO SOME OF THE BUFFERING CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS.
YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE A 50 FOOT, UH, PUD PERIMETER, PUD BUFFER.
AND WHICH IS VERY, I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT'S ON A LARGER SIDE RELATIVE TO OR ON PAR WITH MOST PUDS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ADD THAT EXTRA GREEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT SUBSTANTIAL GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE ROADWAY AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT BEYOND THAT.
AND SO WE STUDIED THE DEVELOPMENT BEYOND THAT.
'CAUSE THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL IN PARTICULAR.
AND SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT THIS AREA HERE.
'CAUSE WE DO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL SITE, AND SO MULTIFAMILY SITE HERE, AND WE HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SITE HERE.
YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE MAXIMIZE THE SEPARATION BUT ALSO ACHIEVE SOME OF OUR TRAFFIC GOALS? AND SO WE'VE INTRODUCED THIS FRONTAGE ROAD.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES IT WAS VERY COMPLICATED, BUT WE DID, WE WORKED WITH DOMINION POWER OR DOMINION ENERGY ON GETTING THIS ROAD THROUGH THEIR POWER LINE TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THIS FRONTAGE ROAD.
AND THIS FRONTAGE ROAD DOES TWO THINGS.
A, IT LINKS ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS SO THAT NOW INTERNALLY, IF SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, HAS TO GO, LET'S SAY THAT'S A GAS STATION, THEY HAVE TO GO GET GAS, THEY DON'T NEED TO GET ON JOHN SMITH ROAD.
AND A LOT OF THOSE, UM, THE, YEAH, WE INTERNALIZE MA MO MANY OF THOSE TRIPS AND LOWER TRAFFIC ON JOHN SMITH ROAD BECAUSE OF THIS.
BUT IT ALSO HELPS TO PUSH THE RESIDENTIAL BACK.
THE FRONTAGE ROAD WOULD BE BEHIND THAT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER, UH, GREEN SPACE WHERE YOU THEN YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR PARKING AND THEN YOUR BUILDING AND SO FORTH.
SO THIS ESSENTIALLY PUSHED US ABOUT 50 FEET BACK, THE PARKING IN THE BUILDINGS AND SO FORTH.
HERE IN THIS AREA, WE ARE, UH, WE, WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, I THINK A A HUNDRED FOOT WAS, WAS KIND OF USED AS A, AS A, AS A, I GUESS A GOAL TO ACHIEVE THAT FROM A BUILDING TO AN EDGE OF A ROADWAY OR HIGHWAY.
THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED NOW, WE'VE GOT, AS I SAID, 22 FEET CALL IT 20 PLUS THE 50, AND WE HAVE A REAR SETBACK FOR THE TOWN HOMES.
THIS IS DESIGNED OF ABOUT 15 FEET.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT ABOUT 87 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE TOWN HOMES TO THE EDGE OF THE ROADWAY.
THE WIDENED ROADWAY WE'RE, WE WERE, UM, WE WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE A HUNDRED.
AND THE WAY WE, WE, WE PROPOSED DOING THAT IS INCREASING OUR BUFFER 20% AND GOING TO A 60 FOOT BUFFER AND INCREASING OUR REAR SETBACK FOR THESE UNITS THAT FACE JOHN SMITH ROAD BY ANOTHER FIVE FEET TO ACHIEVE THE A HUNDRED FEET, 102 FEET.
SO AGAIN, THIS, THIS EXHIBIT, I THINK ILLUSTRATES SEVERAL THINGS AND, AND HOPEFULLY YOU SEE, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THE, THE CONCERNS OF COUNSEL AS BEST WE CAN.
WE THINK WE'VE SOLVED A, A, A LOT OF PROBLEMS, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU RAISED.
ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S OUR STRATEGY FOR MR. MEEN ON THE ROUNDABOUT.
AND, AND, UH, WE'LL HAVE WILLIE COME IN, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS DESIGN, THE, UH, PINE ARBOR ROAD, JOHN SMITH ROAD INTERSECTION.
THERE'S TWO DESIGNS THAT WE'VE INCLUDED.
ONE IS FOR TRADITIONAL, UH, DESIGN, AND THEN A FOUR-WAY STOP OR A FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION.
AND ANOTHER IS FOR A ROUNDABOUT DESIGN.
AND, UH, I COULD LET WILLIE KIND OF WALK US THROUGH THOSE.
WE HAVE SOME EXHIBITS AND SOME BLOWUPS SLIDE IF, IS THERE POSSIBLE TO ADVANCE THE SLIDE CLIP? THIS ONE? NOPE, THAT ONE BACKWARDS.
I DON'T, IT DIDN'T, YEAH, IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE RIGHT HERE.
UM, BUT AS A QUICK BACKGROUND AND SOME OF THE COORDINATION WITH S-C-D-O-T AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, THE IDEA OF A POTENTIAL ROUNDABOUT AT THE PINE ARBOR AND JOHN SMITH ROAD INTERSECTION HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP.
AND SO WE WANTED TO EVALUATE WHAT A TRADITIONAL INTERSECTION WOULD LOOK LIKE AND ALSO WHAT A, A SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AT THAT INTERSECTION.
SO, UM, THE, THE EXHIBITS WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU KIND OF IS A, IS A BLOW UP OF THAT INTERSECTION THAT SHOWS BOTH OPTIONS.
UM, AND YOU MAY HAVE IT ON YOUR, YOUR, UH, DOCUMENTS THERE.
UM, AND JUST A QUICK BACKGROUND,
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UM, THIS INTERSECTION DOES, UH, REQUIRE SOME IMPROVEMENTS BY NOT ONLY, UH, WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, BUT ALSO EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS.UH, SO THIS INTERSECTION, AS YOU SEE IT KIND OF FACTORS IN ALL THE MITIGATION AND TURN LANES THAT ARE NEEDED TO SUPPORT, UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING PLUS THE EXISTING.
UM, I THINK IT'S THE, THIS, UH, MILLSTONE DEVELOPMENT FURTHER DOWN ON ARBOR, UM, SWEIGERT IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN THE ROUNDABOUT WOULD SHOW KIND OF HOW THAT MIGHT LOOK AS WELL.
AND, AND, AND DISCUSSIONS WERE THE, THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL RIGHT OF WAY NEEDS FOR THE ROUNDABOUT THAT I THINK WE COULD WORK THROUGH IF THAT WERE TO BE THE, UH, DESIRED OPTION.
I'M SORRY IF I MAY ASK YOU A QUESTION.
IF YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS, THIS ROUNDABOUT, NO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER ABOUT A ROUNDABOUT.
MY CONCERN WITH THIS ROUNDABOUT BEING THERE IS THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC IN OUR INDUSTRIAL PARK.
WE HAVE CONCRETE PLANTS, WE HAVE MATERIAL PLANTS, ASPHALT PLANTS, AND JOHN SMITH ROAD IS THE WAY TO GET TO MOST OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT IS LONG 2 78 WITH THE NEW HOMES.
I, YOU KNOW, THE, I THINK A ROUNDABOUT WITH A 70 TON CEMENT TRUCK GOING AROUND IT ABOUT SEVEN MILES AN HOUR BECAUSE OF THEIR WEIGHT.
IS THAT GONNA BACK UP TRAFFIC OR CAUSED TRAFFIC ISSUES AT A ROUNDABOUT THERE? I, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ROUNDABOUTS AREN'T THE MOST FAVORABLE TO SEMIS IN LARGE VEHICLES? THAT'S UP KAYLIN YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT? SURE.
UM, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE SLOWER MOVING TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE TRAFFIC, BUT ROUNDABOUTS ARE, OH, I'M SORRY, CAITLYN.
LOVE WITH ACCESS ENGINEERING, TRAFFIC ENGINEERING.
UM, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE MENTIONING WITH SLOWER TRAFFIC.
UM, BUT ROUNDABOUTS ARE ACTUALLY MORE EFFICIENT AT CONTINUING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC THAN AN INTERSECTION, LIKE A SIGNALED INTERSECTION.
UM, SO THERE IS SOME IMPROVEMENT IN CONTINUOUS FLOW THERE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND IT'S JUST, I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PA I HAVE DRIVEN THOSE LARGE VEHICLES AND I HAVE NEGOTIATED ROUNDABOUTS.
THIS IS GONNA PROBABLY SHOVE THE TRAFFIC FROM OUR, UH, UH, INDUSTRIAL PARK DOWN 17 TO COME DOWN 2 78.
THAT WAY, IF I WAS THAT DRIVER, I'D WANNA AVOID THE ROUNDABOUT.
BUT I DO AGREE THAT IT DOES INCREASE TRAFFIC FLOW OF CARS AND LIGHT CODY VEHICLES.
I MEAN THERE'S, I'VE SEEN THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ROUNDABOUTS JUST IN BLUFFTON, RIGHT? UM, THIS DOT APPROVES OF THIS DESIGN FOR THIS ROAD, DOT WILL HAVE TO APPROVE OF THE DESIGN AND THEY HAVE HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN TRYING TO COMPROMISE WHAT'S THE BEST RADIUS AND CONTINUING TO DIVERT THAT TRAFFIC TO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, MAKE THEM TURN TO GO AROUND THAT ROUNDABOUT.
MM-HMM,
SO WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE DOT NO WE DON'T HAVE, UH, PLANS FOR THAT.
THIS IS JUST A CONCEPTUAL, BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO APPROVE IT.
AND IT WAS THERE, THERE THIS RECOMMENDATION? YEAH.
UM, KIND OF TO ECHO WHAT STEVE WAS SAYING, WHAT DETERMINED, 'CAUSE YOU MENTIONED THAT, THAT YOU MAY HAVE TWO CHOICES YOU MAY HAVE WITH A FULL WAY STOP OR THE, UM, ROUNDABOUT.
SO WHAT DETERMINES WHAT OPTION YOU PICK OR DOES THE DOT DO THAT? SO IT WILL NOT BE A FOUR-WAY STOP.
IT'LL BE EITHER A ROUNDABOUT OR A SIGNAL THAT'S, THAT'S THE LEVEL OF IMPROVEMENT THAT'S GONNA BE NEEDED AT THIS INTERSECTION.
AND DOT WILL DETERMINE, HAVE THE FINAL CALL OF THIS? YES.
'CAUSE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, STEVE, A SIGNAL MIGHT BE BETTER FOR THE BIG, BIG TRUCKS.
AND UH, IT IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC FLOW WILL BE.
JUST RAISE THE QUESTION OF YEAH.
THE WHAT IFS, BUT I'LL MAKE A QUICK POINT.
I MEAN, OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE THE SIGNAL OVER THE ROUNDABOUT.
IT IS JUST, OBVIOUSLY IT'S IN THE HANDS OF DOT 'CAUSE IF WE DO THE ROUNDABOUT, MR. MESMAN, WE HAVE TO GIVE UP A LITTLE, LITTLE MORE LAND TO MAKE THAT WORK.
BUT, BUT WE ARE, UM, BEHOLDEN TO THEIR DECISION THERE.
SO WE'VE BEEN OPEN WITH THEM ABOUT OUR ISSUE AND UM OKAY.
THEY'RE LEANING TOWARDS ROUNDABOUT, BUT IF, BUT I'M, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN GET A SIGNAL THAT WOULD BE OUR, OUR PREFERENCE AS WELL.
I WOULD ANY OTHER PRESENTATIONS FOR COUNCIL? UH, AND I'M HAPPY TO, I MEAN KEVIN DID DISCUSS THE, UM, THE, THE LANE CONFIGURATIONS DOWN JOHN SMITH ROAD.
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US THROUGH, UM, THE DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS IF THAT WOULD HELP BE HELPFUL.UH, JUST LET US KNOW WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST BENEFIT OF THE, UH, THE COUNCIL.
WHEN YOU SAY CONFIGURATIONS, WHAT DO YOU, JUST IN TERMS OF, SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WHOLE, THE 4, 3 2, UH, CONCEPT WHERE, UM, THE BETWEEN 2 78 AND THE SPINE ROAD, IT WOULD BE FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC.
TWO GOING, UH, SOUTH TOWARD, UH, TOWN AND THEN TWO GOING NORTH TOWARD 2 78.
AND THEN WE WOULD BEGIN TO DEVELOP THE, UM, MIDDLE TWO-WAY LEFT TURN LANE THROUGH THIS STRETCH.
UH, AND THEN TO THE INTERSECTION HERE.
AND THEN ONCE WE GET SOUTH OF THE SPINE OR THE INTERSECTION, WE WOULD LOSE THE TWO OUTER LANES AND THEN HAVE ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC GOING NORTH, ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC GOING SOUTH.
BUT WE WOULD KEEP THE CENTER TWO-WAY LEFT TURN LANE, UM, THROUGH THIS STRETCH UNTIL YOU GET TO THIS ULTIMATE INTERSECTION AT PINE ARBOR.
AT THAT POINT, ONCE YOU GET SOUTH OF PINE ARBOR, YOU'RE NOW DOWN BACK TO YOUR, YOUR EXISTING TWO LANE SECTION, WHICH ALSO WOULD MATCH WHAT DO T'S GONNA DO ON THE REPLACEMENT BRIDGE CROSSING 95 MM-HMM.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE SAME REGARDLESS OF HOW WE END UP HAVING TO TREAT THE INTERSECTION.
JUST A MATTER OF WE NEED TO A FORMALIZED LEFT TURN HERE WITH THE ROUNDABOUT CAN HELP WITH SOME OF THOSE LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE, THE PERMITTING TIME TO GET DOT APPROVAL ON ALL THIS? SO DOT IS IS ACTIVELY ENGAGED AT THIS POINT IN TERMS OF REVIEWING THE STUDIES.
UM, AND THEN ONCE WE GET THE FORMAL APPROVAL FROM DOT, IT'S ALL, LIKE, AS BRIAN MENTIONED EARLIER, IT'S BEEN FULLY SURVEYED.
SO THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR IS SURVEYED.
WE HAVE THESE LAYOUTS AND IT'S A MATTER OF CONVERTING THAT INTO THE FORMAL DESIGN THAT DOT WOULD REQUIRE, UM, ALONG THAT STRETCH.
SO IT'S, YOU'RE LOOKING AT HAVING, UH, PERMITS FOR THIS ONCE IT'S ALL FINALIZED, I WOULD THINK WITHIN 12 TO 15 MONTHS, ONCE YOU GO THROUGH DESIGN, GO THROUGH THE STATE FOR ALL THE PERMITTING, O-C-R-M-C-C, THIS KIND OF THING.
SO UNFORTUNATELY WE RUN INTO THE STATE ROADBLOCKS.
ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THE ROADWAYS.
AND I KNOW IT'S MAYBE PREMATURE, UH, ENTRANCE TO FUTURE SCHOOL ON MORGAN TRACK THAT CONCERNS ME.
IF THE SCHOOL ISN'T BUILT, WILL THAT BE ANOTHER ENTRANCE AND EXIT FOR HOMES OR SOMETHING ELSE? SO WE, THIS IS SHOWN BECAUSE IT IS SHOWN ON THE MORGAN TRACK, UM, PLAN THAT'S PART OF PUBLIC RECORD.
UM, WE, ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS ON THE EAST SIDE OF JOHN SMITH ROAD, THIS CONNECTION TO MORGAN, THIS FEATURE ENTRANCE SCHOOL, THOSE ALL WOULD BE REQUIRED BY THE MORGAN TRACK.
AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD NOT REALLY INCLUDE THOSE IN OUR FORMAL DESIGN OF THEM MAY POSSIBLY THE, THE CURB CUT AT THE, AT THE, UH, SPINE ROAD CONTINUATION.
BUT THAT'S, THAT IS, THAT'S TAKEN FROM THEIR, UH, PLANS THAT ARE ON RECORD WITH THE PDD.
UM, SO I, I DON'T, I DO NOT, I CAN'T CONFIRM THAT'S THE FINAL LOCATION AND THAT'S THE FINAL LAND USE FOR THAT AREA.
BUT THAT'S, OR JUST TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE AND SHOW ALL THE COORDINATION BETWEEN THE TWO TWO TRACKS.
WHERE WILL YOU GAIN ACCESS TO PARCEL 18? THIS ONE? YES.
UH, PARCEL 18 IS COMPLETELY LANDLOCKED BY THE WETLANDS AROUND IT.
SEAL WOULD HAVE, I ASSUME IT WOULD HAVE A CONNECTION TO JOHN SMITH ROAD THEN WHY ISN'T IT SHOWN WE WERE ONLY FOCUSED ON THE WIDENING OF JOHN SMITH ROAD THROUGH HERE AND THAT WOULD HAVE ITS OWN MASTER PLAN DOWN THE ROAD.
AND IT'S, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IP THAT WE'RE PRESENTING AND REVIEWING AT THIS POINT.
THAT PARTIAL TEAM WOULD HAVE ITS OWN IP ITS OWN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
AND YOU, YOU'D LOOK AT IT AT THAT TIME.
IS THAT THE AREA THAT'S PLANNED FOR STORAGE? YES, SIR.
WAREHOUSE FOR WAREHOUSING? YEAH.
I'D FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE IF, UH, ACCESS WAS SHOWN ON THIS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE RIGHT AT THE CLOSE TO THE FOOT OF THE BRIDGE AND YOU'RE SAYING IT'S, IT'S, UH, SURROUNDED BY WETLANDS.
SO IT IS LANDLOCKED OR IT'S WETLOCK ALL THE WAY AROUND IT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE THAT'S GONNA ENTER OUT ONTO JOHN SMITH ROAD.
'CAUSE THAT COULD BE ANOTHER CHOKE POINT OR DIFFICULT LOCATION.
IS THERE A SECONDARY PLAN? YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR BUFFER AND YOUR PARCEL 18 B, YOU'RE CROSSING A SMALL PORTION OF WETLAND TO GET TO IT.
COULD YOU PUT THAT WETLAND INTO MITIGATION TOO, TO ACCESS IT FROM, UH, PARCEL 17 B INSTEAD OF GOING DIRECTLY ONTO JOHN SMITH? UH, THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS YES.
AND, UM, YOU, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT, BUT, UM, KEEP THIS IN MIND MR. MESMAN.
IF WE COME IN WITH A SITE PLAN, WE'LL BE ABLE TO REEVALUATE THAT AT THE TIME AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SAY, LOOK, THAT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT I WANNA SEE YOU DO.
I DON'T KNOW THAT, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET APPROVAL ON THAT TONIGHT.
I GET, I GET, BUT I DO, I DO SEE YOUR CONCERN THERE.
AND I, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF WE'RE TALKING JOHN SMITH, BASICALLY I'M TALKING JOHN SMITH FROM 2 78
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TO THE BRIDGE.UM, MAYBE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WILLIE, I'M THINKING OUT LOUD RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT FOR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TO MITIGATE SOME OF THAT.
BUT POINT BEING IS YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER BITE AT THAT APPLE.
I'M HOPING THAT WE ALL ARE FOCUSED ON BIG PICTURE TONIGHT.
IT ALLOWS US TO KEEP MOVING, MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE YEAH, I'LL, I'LL JUST PIGGYBACK OFF OF THAT.
RIGHT NOW IT IS JUST WAREHOUSE AND THAT'S ONE OF THE LOWEST GENERATORS OF, OF TRAFFIC.
SO, AND LIKE YOU MENTIONED, ONCE IT COMES BACK ONLINE, YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER SHOT AT IT.
UM, I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE WORKSHOP.
THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT A PREVIOUS TRAFFIC STUDY HINGES ON WIDENING 2 78 AND SIX LANES.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS CLEAR BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, DISCUSSED AND A LOT OF VARIABLES GOING ON.
SO WE APPROACHED THIS STUDY AS LIKE A TIERED APPROACH.
TYPICALLY DOT JUST LOOKS AT IT, UM, WHAT IS APPROVED AND THEY DID NOT WANNA SEE 2 78 WITH SIX LANES.
SO WE HAVE PROVIDED A SOLUTION THAT WILL HAVE 2 78 AND JOHN SMITH OPERATE AT ADEQUATE LEVEL LEVELS.
AND THEN BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS AND REQUESTS OF THE CITY, WE THEN WORKED WITH MORGAN TRACK AND ARGENT TO, UM, AND ALSO INCLUDED SIX LANES TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ADDITIONAL, UM, SOLUTIONS TO KEEP IT AT ADEQUATE, ADEQUATE OPERATION.
WELL, UH, LET'S GO BACK THROUGH IN OUR NORMAL PROCESS AND I'LL START WITH, UH, MR. CARROLL, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE? YEAH.
UM, MR. MAYOR, UM, CLARIFICATION, THE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAD, UM, AND IMPRESSED ME FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, IT WAS THE, UM, THE, THE PARALLEL ROAD TO PINE ARBOR THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT GOES BACK OUT INTO 2 78 THAT KEEP FLOW, TRAFFIC FLOW OFF OF, UM, ON ARBOR.
TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THE DESK'S GONNA BE BUILT IN STAGES AS DEVELOPMENT COMES? I WANNA MAKE KEVIN, KEVIN GET TECHNICAL WITH YOU.
ARE YOU THINK YOU'RE TALKING, YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS, UH, FRONTAGE ROAD THAT WE'VE PUT THROUGH HERE? SAY WOULD BE, YOU WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? YEAH, IT'LL BE BUILT IN STAGES.
AM I RIGHT? WE, YEAH, JUST TO, SO I'M, UH, UNDERSTAND YOU WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ROAD OR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS THE FRONTAGE ROAD.
'CAUSE WE SOMETIMES WE, WE USE FRONTAGE ROAD FOR, FOR THE SPINE ROAD AS WELL.
I, AND SEE THAT'S WHAT CONFU RIGHT? APOLOGIZE.
NO, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO, YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS, I THOUGHT IT WAS SYNONYMOUS THE OTHER DAY TOO BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, OKAY, YEAH.
THIS IS MORE OF A TRADITIONAL FRONTAGE ROAD, WHICH, AND JUST FOLLOWS RIGHT BEHIND THE, THE BUFFER.
UM, THIS, I WOULD, I WOULD CALL, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A A JUST A TRADITIONAL, UM, SPINE ROAD CONNECTIVITY, UM, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES.
BUT, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE, UM, THIS IS TO BE BUILT IN STAGES AND, AND WE DO HAVE, UM, ANOTHER EXHIBIT THAT KIND OF ILLUSTRATES SOME OF THAT.
IF WE WANNA, IF IF THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE, WE CAN, I THINK BRIAN'S PREPARED TO TALK THROUGH THAT.
I'M JUST STILL UNCLEAR ON EXACTLY WHAT YOU, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
UM, MR. CARROLL, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS IS PINE ARBOR HERE.
AND, AND SO YOU CAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, THE ROAD THAT RUNS PARALLEL.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UM, TO PINE ARBOR THAT GOES THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AND GOES OUT INTO, UH, EVENTUALLY GOES OUT INTO 2 78 MM-HMM.
SO THIS LARGER SPINE ROAD? YES, SIR.
SO, SO IS IT A SPINE ROAD? WE, WE CAN PUT BOULEVARD UP THERE TOO.
UM, SO YES, SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE DEDICATED THE LAND TO DOT AND THEY'VE SET OUR, OUR ENTRANCE UP HERE.
THE, UM, YEAH, WILLIE WILL ADJUST IT.
SO THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE IS, IS UH, PHASE ONE.
AND IT STOPS ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE IS PHASE ONE AND STOPS ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
THE PHASE TWO SECTION THAT WILL COME ONLINE AS WE COME BACK IN WITH THESE RESIDENTIAL PARCELS AND OR THIS LARGE COMMERCIAL TRACK IS SLATED TO BE BUILT AT THAT TIME.
UM, BUT BOTTOM LINE IS PHASE ONE, ROUND ONE.
WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING THIS IN AND THEN WE'LL PUT THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED RIGHT NOW, ASSUMING WE GET, WE'VE GOT A, A RESIDENTIAL GROUP THAT'S COMING IN WITH A PLAN FOR THIS SITE.
THIS, THIS PINE ARBOR EXTENSION WOULD COME ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND THEN WE CAN AT THAT TIME THEN WE CAN EVALUATE WHETHER WE NEED TO DO THIS TO CONNECT.
BUT I GUESS THE OTHER POINT IS THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT HAPPENING OVERNIGHT.
THIS IS A THREE TO 10 YEAR PROJECT.
THAT'S, AND THAT WAS GONNA BE MY OTHER QUESTION.
SO IT'S GONNA SEQUENCE OUT, AND A LOT OF OUR, WHAT'S DRIVING OUR PROCESS IS WHAT SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS DOING AT EXIT EIGHT.
AND MOST OF THIS RETAIL COMES ONLINE PARALLEL TO THAT AND IN SYNC WITH THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD THING.
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SORT OF DRIVING OUR SCHEDULE.I KNOW YOU GOT SOME, UH, WETLANDS MITIGATION TOO YOU'VE GOT TO, TO DEAL WITH AND THAT'S USUALLY, UH, NOT A QUICK PROCESS EITHER.
AND, AND PART OF THAT PROCESS IS GETTING THIS APPROVAL TONIGHT, BUT HOW, BUT I WILL SAY HALF OF IT'S DONE THIS, THIS HAS BEEN IN FOR THE LAST 90 DAYS.
WE EXPECT THIS TO BE ANOTHER SIX TO NINE MONTH PROCESS.
SO WE'RE TRACKING ON, ON EVERYTHING IN GOOD FAITH BASED ON THE PDD APPROVAL LAST YEAR.
MR. WHITE, JUST A, A COMMENT, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE 30,000 FOOT OVERVIEW, WHICH WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK YOU'VE DONE IS TAKEN A LOT OF THE CONCERNS AND GONE BACK AND WORKED THOSE ISSUES AND PUT SOME THINGS IN BEYOND AT LEAST MY EXPECTATIONS TO, TO MAKE IT MORE AMENABLE.
AND I THINK THE SEQUENCING OF THIS PROJECT GIVES US A TIME TO REVISIT SOME OF THESE ISSUES AS WE'RE MOVING ALONG.
AND SO I THINK YOU MOVED UP TO THE 90 10 KIND OF THING AND I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING AND GOING BACK AND DOING SOME OF THE THINGS WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT.
I THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT MS. UZMA.
OKAY, SO I'M ACTUALLY VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON JOHN SMITH.
I, THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, I ASKED YOU IF YOU LIVE IN THE AREA.
I DON'T RECALL THE, THE RESPONSE.
MY ANSWER WAS I, I WORK HERE A LOT.
I'M ACTUALLY A JASPER COUNTY RESIDENT, BUT RIDGELAND IS MY HOME.
SO I HAVE BEEN UP AND DOWN JOHNSMITH AT ALL DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY.
AND I HAVE SEEN WHERE AT RUSH HOUR THE TRAFFIC SOMETIMES IS BACKED UP ALL THE WAY TO ALMOST AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE BRIDGE.
AND THAT'S WITHOUT ANY OF YOUR STUFF GOING IN RIGHT NOW.
SO WITH ALL YOUR DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO COME IN AND ALL THAT TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED ONTO JOHN SMITH, ALL OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY AN IMPROVEMENT PER SE, IT'S JUST A MITIGATION OF ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT YOU'RE GOING BE DUMPING ONTO JOHN SMITH.
I WENT BACK AND I TOOK A LOOK AT THAT.
TIA THAT TIA WAS DONE IN JULY, JULY SCHOOL'S OUT.
SO NONE OF THAT SCHOOL TRAFFIC WAS, WAS ACCOUNTED FOR IN THAT TRAFFIC COUNT.
SO THAT BOTHERS ME BECAUSE THAT TRAFFIC ADDS EXPONENTIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE, WHEN SCHOOL'S IN, YOU HAVE ALL THAT TRAFFIC BECAUSE THERE IS NO SCHOOL BUSES, PARENTS DRIVE THEIR KIDS TO AND FROM SCHOOL.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, THERE WAS NONE OF THAT TRAFFIC WAS IN THERE BECAUSE THAT WAS DONE IN JULY.
SO, UH, AND THEN THE ROUNDABOUT CONCERNS ME JUMPING OFF OF WHAT, UM, STEVE SAID ABOUT THOSE BIG HEAVY DUMP TRUCKS MOVING AROUND.
THOSE THINGS ARE HEAVY WHEN THEY'RE FULLY LOADED, THEIR WEIGHT SHIFTS, THAT'S GONNA TIP OVER AND THAT'S GONNA BE CRAZY BACKED UP IF ONE OF THOSE THINGS HAPPEN.
NOT TO MENTION THE LOSS OF POTENTIAL LIFE THERE.
SO CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME HOW MANY CURB CUTS YOU'RE PLANNING ON HAVING ON THAT, ON JOHN SMITH? LET'S SEE.
I THINK WE ACTUALLY, WELL, AND, UH, THERE WAS A LOT IN THAT QUESTION YOU HAD THERE, BUT, UM, I THINK WE REDUCED FROM WHAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD, BUT 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, IF WE DO THE, THE STORAGE AT SOME POINT.
SO, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THOSE CURB CUTS IT'S RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.
SOME OF THEM ARE WE, CAITLYN, YOU CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THE SPECIFICS.
UM, SO THE CURB CUTS, I BELIEVE MOST OF THEM ARE FULL ACCESS, BUT WE HAVE TURN LANES, TURN LANE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THOSE.
SO DE CELL AND ACCELERATION LANES WHERE, WHERE THEY'RE WARRANTED.
DE CELL RIGHT TURN AND LEFT TURN LANES.
AND, AND, AND SC DOT HAS SAID OKAY TO THOSE YES, WE, UH, BASE OUR WARRANTS OFF OF DOT CRITERIA.
DO YOU KNOW THAT THE CRITERIA IS BASED ON THEIR MANUAL FROM 2008? I CAN'T CONTROL WHEN DOT UPDATES THEIR CRITERIA, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE STATE GOES OFF OF.
AND, AND THE REASON I BROUGHT THAT UP WAS 2008, AND THIS IS WHERE IN 2024, UH, TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED EXPONENTIALLY, REQUIREMENTS HAVE INCREASED EXPONENTIALLY.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA GO BASED ON THAT MANUAL FROM 2008, UH, THIS IS ALL MOOT.
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SURE HOW THEY DEVELOPED THOSE CHARTS BACK IN 2008, BUT I'M, I'M SURE THEY PROBABLY BASED IT OFF OF NATIONAL STANDARDS AND OPERATIONS FOR TRAFFIC ACROSS THE US.AND FOR YOUR COMMENT WITH THE STUDY BEING DONE IN JULY, YES, THAT'S WHEN IT WAS DATED AND SUBMITTED, BUT THOSE COUNTS WERE DONE DURING SCHOOL.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT MONTH, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS APRIL OR MAY WHEN THE HALF ACCOUNTS WERE COLLECTED.
AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT HISTORICAL DATA ACROSS 2 78 JOHN SMITH AND 95 AND ALSO 17 FOR AN AREA BACKGROUND GROWTH THAT WE APPLIED TO EVERY COUNT FOR FUTURE EVALUATIONS.
AND THEN ON TOP WE ALSO CONSIDERED OUR TRIP GENERATIONS, MORGAN'S TRIP GENERATIONS, ARJUN'S TRIP GENERATIONS, AND ABOUT EIGHT OTHER BACKGROUND DEVELOPMENTS.
SO GETTING OFF OF JOHN SMITH AND, AND TURNING RIGHT ON 2 78.
I I, I DON'T KNOW, HAVE YOU DRIVEN DOWN JOHN SMITH? YES.
YOU SEE HOW IT DROPS OFF ON, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD? YEAH.
IT'S STEEP, VERY STEEP DROP OFF RIGHT NOW.
THEY, THEY'VE SOMEHOW SQUEEZED A, A RIGHT TURN LANE ON 2 2 78.
SOMEHOW THEY SQUEEZED, AND I'M PETRIFIED TO GO ON THAT RIGHT TURN LANE BECAUSE I'M AFRAID OF TIPPING OVER.
UM, SO HERE, HERE'S MY WHOLE THING ABOUT THIS THING WITH JOHN SMITH.
WE HAVE A LOT OF TAXPAYERS THAT CURRENTLY LIVE HERE THAT USE JOHN SMITH FROM 17 TO 2 78.
THOSE PEOPLE ARE MY BIGGEST CONCERN RIGHT NOW.
I REALLY AM NOT, I'M GONNA SAY IT.
I REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING OVER THERE.
I CARE ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
THE TAXPAYERS THAT'S DRIVING TO AND FROM WORK AND WHATEVER REASON THEY NEED TO GO DOWN JOHN SMITH, THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT CONCERN ME RIGHT NOW AND DUMPING ALL OF THIS TRAFFIC OVER THERE.
IT, IT, IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THESE FOLKS ARE GETTING SHOVED TO A CORNER SOMEWHERE JUST SO THIS DEVELOPMENT CAN GO UP THERE.
AND WE ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING DEVELOPERS RICH OR, OR, OR, OR ALLOWING THESE THINGS TO HAPPEN.
MY FIRST CONCERN, MR. MCCLURE, YES MA'AM, ARE THE TAXPAYERS OF THIS CITY.
THAT IS WHO MY RESPONSIBILITIES, THAT IS WHO MY LOYALTIES LAY.
IT'S NOT TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT OR ANY DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT MATTER.
MY FIRST PRIORITY ARE THE TAXPAYERS OF THIS CITY, AND THAT'S WHOSE SAFETY AND WELFARE THAT CONCERNS ME.
I LOOK, I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT.
UH, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
UM, THE, THE POINT THAT I WILL MAKE IS IT, IT'S NOT EFFICIENT CURRENTLY.
RIGHT? THE ROAD IS FAILING AT, AT PRESENT AND THIS, AND I'M GONNA ONLY TRUST THE, THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS AND THE ENGINEERS BECAUSE I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.
THEY SAY WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING, IT ACTUALLY IMPROVES THE SITUATION.
AND I THINK IT'S SMART TO DO WHAT YOU DID AND DIVE DOWN AND ANALYZE THE DOCUMENT.
BUT IF YOU'LL, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MRS. GUZMAN, THIS ROAD RIGHT HERE PROVIDES RELIEF.
THIS ROAD RIGHT HERE PROVIDES TREMENDOUS RELIEF.
AND I MEAN WE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOTTA SEE THE FUTURE A LITTLE BIT.
BUT THIS RIGHT, THIS IS A TWO-LANE ROAD CURRENTLY.
SO I WOULD CONTEST CONTEND THAT THE TAXPAYERS BENEFIT FROM THE DEVELOPERS MAKING THIS EFFORT AND NOT THE REVERSE.
I MEAN, I KNOW I MAY NOT CHANGE YOUR MIND TONIGHT, BUT I DO WANT YOU TO PONDER IT AFTER THIS MEETING.
WHAT, WHAT IF WE DON'T DO THIS DEVELOPMENT? I MEAN, HOW DOES JOHN SMITH GET FIXED? SO PLEASE THINK ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE PART OF THE SOLUTION RATHER THAN THE PROBLEM.
AND I, BUT I DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING, MA'AM.
SO ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THE SPINE ROAD WILL BE COMPLETE? IS IT GOING TO BE DONE IN STAGES OR ARE YOU JUST YES MA'AM.
IT WILL BE COMPLETELY IN STAGES.
SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO THEN TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF OF JOHN SMITH AS IT'S IT'S NOT GONNA TAKE IT OFF.
ULTIMATELY IT WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
YOU WERE SO ULTIMATELY IS HOW MANY YEARS DOWN THE ROAD? YEAH, IT'S HARD TO SAY.
LIKE I SAID, WE'VE PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD.
BUT I THINK I'M TELLING YOU IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A PLAN IN THE DA TO BUILD THAT ROAD.
AND WE'VE DONE WHAT, FIVE OF THE EIGHT STEPS ALREADY.
SO THERE'S NO TURNING BACK ON THAT ROAD IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
UM, AND AS, AS WE COME IN FOR THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT PUSHING OFF ONTO JOHN SMITH, WHEN WE COME BACK IN FRONT OF THIS COUNCIL, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SAY, MR. MCCLURE, I'M NOT APPROVING THIS UNTIL YOU EXTEND THE ROAD.
SO I THINK YOU, YOU'LL STILL HAVE ULTIMATE CONTROL.
I JUST, I I, BUT I THINK YOU'RE DOING THE TAXPAYER AS A SERVICE BY APPROVING THIS DESIGN
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THAT THE ENGINEERS HAVE SAID FUNCTIONS AND, AND ACTUALLY IS AN IMPROVEMENT ON TODAY'S STANDARDS.SO LET ME ASK YOU, MR. MCCLURE, WHAT'S THE WORST CASE SCENARIO HERE? Y YOU KNOW, AND I, I, I'M THAT YOU, YOU VOTE NO TONIGHT.
THAT WOULD BE TERRIBLE BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THIS HARD WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE OVER THE LAST, I KNOW I SAID IT WAS 10 YEARS, BUT THE LAST, WE'VE BEEN MONO FOCUSED FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
I THINK IT WOULD SET US BACK BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND ALL THESE THREE PARTY AGREEMENTS ARE IN PLACE AND MOVING FORWARD, AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD IN GOOD FAITH.
AND SO, AND, BUT THERE'S BEEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF THOUGHT, OKAY, THERE ARE MORE INEXPENSIVE WAYS TO DEVELOP THIS SITE.
BUT WE, AND I THINK MAYOR CAN ATTEST TO THAT.
HE'S KNOWN ME FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
WE TRY TO ALWAYS DO THE RIGHT THING.
AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
SO, WORST CASE SCENARIO WOULD BE FOR YOU TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DON'T LIKE IT.
YOU KNOW, GO AWAY, MR. MCCLURE, WE'LL SOLVE THIS PROBLEM OURSELVES.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE NOT, NOT A SMART DECISION.
AND WHY WOULD THAT BE NOT SMART? BECAUSE THEN YOU WOULD HAVE ALL THE BURDEN INSTEAD OF THE DEVELOPER HAVING THE BURDEN.
AND I THINK WE'RE HERE TO SAY, LET'S PARTNER, LET'S MAKE THIS WORK.
AND I MEAN, YOU, I'M IMPRESSED WITH THE, AS ASTUTE AS YOU ARE AT STUDYING THESE DOCUMENTS.
BUT I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, AND, AND YEAH, WE COULD SINCE SPEND TWO DAYS GOING THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS HERE.
SO Y'ALL ARE HAVING TO BE QUICK STUDIES.
BUT PLEASE TRUST THE CONSULTANTS.
BUT, AND YOUR STAFF, THEY'RE TELLING YOU, THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT AND WE'RE GONNA DO IT SEQUENCED, AND WE'RE GONNA DO IT METHODICALLY AND EVERYBODY'S GONNA GET EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT.
AND YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IT'LL BE A TREMENDOUS BENEFIT TO HARVILLE.
AND IF YOU VOTE NO TONIGHT, THAT WOULD BE TRAGIC.
I MEAN, REALLY AND TRULY, BECAUSE THERE'S JUST BEEN A LOT OF EFFORT AND A LOT OF THOUGHT PUT INTO THIS AND HOW IT BENEFITS HARDY VILLE AND THE TAXPAYERS THAT YOU'RE VERY CONCERNED WITH.
I HOPE I GAVE YOU, GAVE YOU THE RIGHT ANSWER.
WELL, SOMEWHAT THANK YOU, MA'AM.
AND ABSOLUTELY THAT IS YOUR CONCERN AS TAXPAYERS, BUT ALSO DOT'S ONLY CONCERN AS TAXPAYERS DO.
SO THEY ARE KEEPING US IN CHECK.
WE ARE KEEPING OURSELVES IN CHECK.
'CAUSE THAT IS OUR ETHICAL RESPONSIBILITY AS WELL.
MR. MESMAN, YOUR ROAD DEVELOPMENTS, THIS IS PLAN TO HANDLE THE TOTAL 1400 HOMES IN THE MIDDLE, CORRECT? ULTIMATELY, YES, SIR.
SO YOU'RE JOHN SMITH ROAD, YOUR INTERSECTION OF 2 78 PINE ARBOR, ALL OF THAT.
SO REALISTICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE THE 1400 RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT THE, THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, I DO SEE WHERE IT WILL IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC FLOW IMMEDIATELY.
I DO HAVE A, I WILL ALWAYS HAVE THAT CONCERN ON THAT PARCEL 18 IN THE PDD, WE GRANTED YOU ALL THE RIGHT TO BUILD ON IT.
WE CAN'T GO BACK AND SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT OFF OF, UH, UH, OF JOHN SMITH.
I MEAN, WE WOULD BE VERY HARD PRESSED TO DENY YOU THAT.
WELL, LET, LET ME REMIND, WE, WE ALWAYS DO THE RIGHT THING, MR. MESMAN.
I HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, SPENT MUCH TIME WITH YOU.
BUT, UM, IF YOU MAKE A COMPELLING ARGUMENT THAT IT'S NOT SAFE WHEN WE COME BACK TWO YEARS FROM NOW ON THAT, THEN LET'S, LET'S HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT IN IT.
AGAIN, LET ME MAKE THIS POINT.
SOME OF THESE RESPONSIBILITIES, OFFSITE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.
AND THE WAY WE PAY FOR 'EM ARE SOME OF THESE SMALLER SECTIONS OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.
BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA LET THAT STAND IN THE WAY OF PROGRESS TONIGHT.
UM, THE ROAD THAT I'M LOOKING AT, MY LITTLE THING HERE, THIS, UH, ROAD HERE, WHY DOESN'T IT CONNECT HERE? UH, ARE YOU WAITING FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN IN THAT? YES, SIR.
BEFORE THAT CONNECTS AGAIN, MATT, WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THAT MR. CAROL? THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.
WE, SO ULTIMATELY THAT WILL PROBABLY CONNECT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S AGAIN, MASTER PLAN BY WARD EDWARDS AND, AND, UH, KEVIN FARIO HERE.
BUT THE, UM, THAT IS A VERY VALUABLE CORNER OUT PARCEL.
AND SO WHAT THAT ALLOWS FOR IS A WRITE IN, WRITE OUT OFF OF 2 78, AS YOU CAN SEE.
AND THEN, UM, MR. THE MAYOR WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
AND SO KEVIN WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND FIGURED OUT A WAY TO CREATE THIS FRONTAGE ROAD REALLY AND TRULY THAT THAT SHOULD BE NAMED HARRY WILLIAMS BOULEVARD.
WHEN WILL THAT BE PUT IN? UM, AS SOON AS WE, SO WE'VE GOT A LITTLE RETAIL CENTER HERE.
AND THEN THIS COMMERCIAL DEVELOP, EXCUSE ME, THIS COULD BE A RES, A RESIDENTIAL, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WILL GO IN SIMULTANEOUS WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT.
SO THOSE ARE YOUR FIRST TWO PRIORITIES TO DEVELOP THOSE TWO.
I'LL BE HONEST, WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A, A BUYER FOR THOSE TWO RIGHT AT THIS SECOND.
WE NEED TO GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS TONIGHT.
UM, SO NO, I MEAN, POINT BEING IS WE'LL PUT THAT
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ROAD IN RIGHT WHEN WE START DEVELOPING THIS, BUT THERE'S NO PLANS FOR THAT TONIGHT.UM, FINAL QUESTION IS THE MOU IS ALL PARTIES SIGNED IT NOW.
SO WHAT WE, UH, PROPOSED, WE, UM, I JUST SPOKE TO ONE OF THE, UH, ONE OF THE PARTIES THIS EVENING ON THE WAY IN HERE.
HE SAID THAT HE HAS TAKEN, UM, MRS. MAIN'S AGREEMENT.
UM, HE FELT LIKE WE WERE THERE.
I FEEL, WELL WHEN I SAY THAT HE FELT LIKE, UM, WE ARE CLOSE, UH, I FEEL THE SAME WAY.
UM, I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO THE MORGAN TRACK PEOPLE.
I'M ASSUMING MR. SYMBO HAS, UM, POINT BEING IS MR. MESMAN, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A CONDITION OF A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, MAYBE NOT OF APPROVAL TONIGHT OR MAYBE NOT OF APPROVAL OF THE SECOND READING, BUT WE'RE AGREEING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET THAT SIGNED.
AND WE, YOU KNOW, IN THEORY WE'RE AGREEING TO OUR PERCENTAGE AND ALL THAT.
LET'S MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF A, OF PULLING A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
PLEASE DON'T LET THAT HOLD US UP TONIGHT.
CLOSEST HAND, UH, HORSESHOE AND HAND GRENADES TO ME MAKE A DIFFERENCE THERE.
I WOULD LIKE MS. MAINS TO HAVE THAT AGREEMENT FOR US SIGNED.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UH, UNREASONABLE TO ASK? NO, I DON'T THINK, I MEAN, I THINK YOU'RE GETTING THE SAME THING.
I I DON'T, UM, I, I THINK, UH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD LIKE THAT.
I JUST DON'T WANT THE OTHER TWO DEVELOPMENTS TO SLOW US UP NECESSARILY.
BUT IN, IN EFFECT, UM, I THINK IF WE PUT TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON 'EM, THEY, THEY MAY, THEY MAY.
WELL, AS THIS IS A FIRST READING TONIGHT.
WOULD YOU HAVE THAT AVAILABLE FOR A SECOND READING? LEMME MAKE IT THIS CLEAR.
I'LL WE'LL SIGN OUR PORTION BEFORE THAT, IF THAT.
WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ASKING.
I NEED TO SIGN FROM EVERYBODY BECAUSE IT'S GONNA TAKE EVERYBODY'S MONEY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
I GUESS WHAT I WAS SAYING IS YOU WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO HOLD US UP IF YOU WANTED TO BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH IT.
BUT IT MAY TAKE A FEW MORE WEEKS, MONTHS TO GET, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE THE CASE.
THAT'S A QUESTION I WOULD HAVE AND LET'S LET, WE CAN LET THE ATTORNEY HANDLE IT ON THAT.
BUT, BUT, BUT POINT BEING THAT I DON'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING SIGNED IN HAND BEFORE, BEFORE WE GO WITH THIS.
THERE'S TOO MANY WELL IFS, UH, THE P PLEA TO MAKE ME HAPPY AT THIS.
I YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
I THINK IT MAY, IT IS A GOOD PLAN.
THERE'S JUST SOME, SOME THINGS THAT, THAT, UH, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER FOR.
AND I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
UM, WELL, LET ME, I THINK YOUR PINE, I THINK THE ROADWAY THAT YOU HAVE ALL ENGINEERED IS EXCELLENT.
IT'S GONNA BE A BENEFICIAL TO, UH, THE TRAFFIC ON PINE ARBOR AND INTO THE CITY OF HARDY.
BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD WITH THAT.
IF SOMEBODY SAYS, WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT TO DO, IT SITS WHILE WE NEGOTIATE.
AND WE PLAN AND WE GO BACK YEAH.
AGAIN, AND WE COULDN'T, WE COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT IT.
YOU'D STILL HAVE THAT WAY TO, TO KEEP US HONEST, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
I JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHERE MRS. MAINS IS IN THE PROCESS, WHERE THE OTHER TWO, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT CONSENSUS THERE.
IT'S A SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT.
WE'RE APPROXIMATELY A THIRD OF THAT.
AND WE'RE, AND I'M TELLING YOU HERE TONIGHT, FACE-TO-FACE, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A NEW, THAT'S CALLED A BURDEN, BUT IT'S AN OFFSITE BURDEN WE DIDN'T EXPECT.
BUT IN TRYING TO MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY, WE'RE SAYING YES TO THAT.
SO YOU'RE HEARING ME HERE IN A PUBLIC FORUM SAYING THAT.
SO AGAIN, I, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD SLOW THE DEVELOPMENT DOWN, BUT I YOU, BECAUSE YOU CAN STILL KEEP US HONEST AS WE GO FORWARD, IS MY POINT.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME.
AND I THINK BY THE QUESTIONING OF EVERYBODY AND THE QUESTIONING I'VE HAD OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS, IT ALL COMES DOWN TO A CONCERN FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND IT ALL COMES DOWN TO JOHN SMITH ROAD, WHICH IS ALREADY A, A, UM, UNSAFE ROAD.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MRS. GUZMAN WAS REFERRING TO.
SO, WHILE THIS AT TIMES HAVE GOTTEN HEATED AT TIMES THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS, ULTIMATELY EVERYBODY, ALL FIVE OF US UP HERE ARE ELECTED TO BE CONCERNED WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO, UH, I'M GONNA QUOTE MR. WHITE, LET'S NOT BE IN A HURRY TO MAKE A MISTAKE.
I KNOW, I KNOW YOU'RE IN A HURRY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A HURRY TO MAKE A MISTAKE.
AND THAT'S MY COUNSEL TO THIS COUNCIL.
WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT WE FEEL IS RIGHT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND IF THAT TAKES A LITTLE LONGER THAN SOMEBODY'S TIMETABLE, THEN SO BE IT.
SO LET ME GET INTO MY QUESTIONS AND UM, AND I'LL FOLLOW UP FIRST WITH MR. MESMAN TALKING ABOUT THE MOU.
UM, FIRST QUESTION ON THAT, ACCORDING TO THE MOU THAT I SAW MRS. MAINS
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WRITE UP, IT'S AN $8 MILLION MOU, CORRECT? YES.MAYOR, AND I'LL, I'LL CLARIFY.
THE MOU IS BASED UPON AN OPINION OF PROBABLE COST.
SO IT DOES SAY THE PRICE COULD BE DIFFERENT ONCE IT'S ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED AND ENGINEERED AND BID.
SO, SO THE QUESTION IS, AS WE'VE LEARNED FROM TOO MANY PROJECTS RECENTLY, WHAT HAPPENS IF IT'S $10 MILLION? IS THAT IN THE MOU? YES, SIR.
IT OBLIGATES THE PARTIES TO THE TOTAL COST, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
AND THEIR PERCENTAGES ARE ALLOCATED BASED ON THEIR DEVELOPMENT NUMBERS THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED.
IT ALSO STATES IF THOSE DEVELOPMENT NUMBERS CHANGE AT ANY POINT, BECAUSE THEY WERE BASED UPON A CERTAIN DATE, THAT THEIR PERCENTAGES COULD ALSO CHANGE AT THAT POINT.
SO THEY THEY'LL BE HELD TO THE PERCENTAGE OF WHAT IT, AND THIS IS, UH, HARD AND SOFT COST.
UM, THE, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THIS $8 MILLION, DOES THAT INCLUDE ALL THE WAY DOWN, INCLUDING WHATEVER GETS DONE AT POINT ARB ROAD? UM, THE SCOPE OF IT'S DEFINED IN THE MEMO THAT KIMLEY HORN PREPARED, AND I BELIEVE THAT, UM, DYLAN IS HERE.
THAT CAN, THAT CAN GO OVER THAT SCOPE WITH YOU.
'CAUSE I, I PROBABLY CAN'T TELL YOU BY MEMORY MILLION DOLLARS.
DOES IT INCLUDE WHATEVER TRAFFIC LIGHT OR, OR, UH, TRAFFIC CIRCLE AT PINE ARBOR ROAD? AND DOES IT INCLUDE THE, THE FRONTAGE ROAD? DOES IT INCLUDE EVERYTHING WE SEE HERE? HEY, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR DYLAN.
UH, THE ANSWER'S NO, IT IS NOT.
SO IT DOES NOT GO DOWN TO PINE ARBOR.
IT GOES DOWN TO ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET AFTER THE 2 78 AND JOHN SMITH INTERSECTION TO RECEIVE THE DUAL LEFTS THAT, UH, THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
SO ALL THAT OTHER COST THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING WOULD BE A COST OF THE DEVELOPER ON TOP OF WHATEVER THEIR COST SHARE IS OF THAT 8 MILLION BUCKS, OR, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SIX AND A HALF, BUT WHENEVER WE WERE WORKING THROUGH IT, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE RIGHT OF WAY WE DON'T HAVE UTILITIES 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SURVEY YET.
SO, AS YOU SAID, LIKE SIX AND A HALF COULD BLOSSOM INTO SOMETHING ELSE, BUT IT'S JUST BASED OFF OF DOT ESTIMATES IS WHERE THAT OPINION OF PROBABLE CONSTRUCTION COST COMES FROM.
SO, SO THIS $8 MILLION DOES NOT INCLUDE THE NEW INTERSECTION, THE NEW CURB CUT THAT, UH, WILL LEAD INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
IT WILL NOT INCLUDE THE LANE IMPROVEMENTS GOING FROM THIS NEW CURB CUT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PINE ARBOR ROAD.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE WHATEVER IMPROVEMENT THAT PINE ARBOR ROAD HAS TO BE DONE.
WE DID NOT HAVE ANY LIKE OUR THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEN OUR OPCC THAT IN HORN DID THAT, WE DID REALLY FOCUSED ON THAT PROXIMITY TO 2 78 AND JOHN SMITH.
'CAUSE OUR SO WORK WE DID WAS, IN OTHER WORDS, THE $8 MILLION DOESN'T SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS. THAT'S CORRECT.
SO IT DOESN'T, SO IT'S NOT THE WHOLE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO WE PUT THIS IN PROPER PERSPECTIVE.
THIS COUNCIL IS LED TO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS GONNA SOLVE THE JOHN SMITH SITUATION.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE MORE MONEY.
SO MY QUESTION IS FROM THE THOUSAND FEET THAT IT, THIS $8 MILLION ENDS TO PINE ARBOR ROAD, WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR THAT? IT'S A DEVELOPER RESPONSIBILITY WITH MORGAN.
YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY THE 8 MILLION DOESN'T COVER ALL THAT.
BUT NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER MOU WITH MORGAN.
I MEAN, I MEAN, YEAH, I GUESS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT, BUT I MEAN, ALL OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED THROUGH WITH THE STAFF AND WE'VE AGREED, AND NOW WHEN WE COME IN, LET'S SAY WE COME IN FOR SITE 17 A, YOU'LL SAY, DID YOU, DO YOU HAVE YOUR IMPROVEMENTS IN? AND, AND WE SAY YES OR NO, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER CHECKS AND BALANCE.
BUT NO, UNFORTUNATELY, WELL, FORTUNATELY OR UNFORTUNATELY, JOHN SMITH ROAD IS OUR ISSUE.
SO AGAIN, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO WHAT MR. AMMAN SAID, AND I, I BELIEVE HE'S A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.
WE SHOULD NOT HAVE THIS CONTINGENT UPON, WE HAVE MOUS.
YOU NEED ONE FOR THE $8 MILLION.
WE'RE GONNA NEED ONE WITH MORGAN FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE PROBLEM.
BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THEN WE'RE STUCK WITH SAYING YES.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT SEQUENCE OF EVENTS.
LET ME JUST ADD ONE THING TO THAT, THAT THOUGHT.
SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING WE, WE AGREE TO MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN YOU MAY OR MAY NOT APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT AND WE WOULD BE ON THE HOOK.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? OR YOU NO, I'M SUGGESTING THAT THIS COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION AFTER
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ALL, EVERYTHING IS SIGNED, SEALED, AND DELIVERED, NOT BEFORE.AND THAT AGREEMENT WOULD BE CONTINGENT ON THE APPROVAL.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? WELL THEN WHEN THAT'S ALL DONE, YOU COME BACK TO THIS COUNCIL.
LET'S, LET'S ALL STAY FOCUSED.
SO GET IT DONE, THEN COME BACK FOR FIRST READING.
UM, THE, THE OTHER THING THAT I'M GOING TO, THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THIS WITH, WITH ALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS, JOHN SMITH ROAD IS A 55 MILE AN HOUR ROAD.
AND, AND WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND TO, TO DOT THAT WE PUT A A, A TURNAROUND, A A, A CIRCLE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND A 55 MILE AN HOUR TWO LANE ROAD.
THAT WILL BE, EVERYTHING WILL BE BASED OFF DOT STANDARDS AND DESIGNS.
BUT IF, UH, A SPEED LIMIT WAS TO CHANGE, THERE'D HAVE TO BE A SPEED STUDY BY DOT AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE A SPEED REDUCTION.
DOTS DON'T CHANGE THE SPEED LIMITS PRIOR TO THE NEED.
UH, AND I'LL, I'LL JUST WANT TO MAKE A, A COMMENT ABOUT THE PARCEL 18 THAT SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP BEFORE.
THIS IS A SOUTH POINT PDD INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN TO NOT HAVE A PLAN FOR PARCEL 18.
THAT IS PART OF SOUTH POINT PDDI THINK IS AN OMISSION THAT SHOULD BE CORRECTED.
UM, ALRIGHT, I ASKED ABOUT 4, 3 10, UM, MR. MAYOR REGARDING PARCEL 18 IS OUR, OUR I INFRASTRUCTURE.
IMP IS REALLY FOCUSED ON THE, THE COMMON INFRASTRUCTURE TO SERVE THE INTERNAL DEVELOPMENTS.
PARCEL 18 IS, IS KIND OF ITS OWN ISOLATED PIECE, SO IT DOESN'T NEED ACCESS TO THE SPINE ROAD OR THE OTHER ROADWAY.
SO IT, IT'LL, IT'LL HANDLE ITSELF AT TIME OF ITS OWN DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT THE CONCERN IS, AND, AND GO BACK TO MY PREAMBLE, EVERYTHING YOU PUT THERE ADDS TO THE, THE SITUATION OF JOHN SMITH ROAD.
WHETHER THAT'S A HIGH DENSITY, UH, HIGH TRAFFIC OR LOW.
IT ALL ADDS TO THE TOTAL THAT WE'RE ADDING ONTO JOHN SMITH ROAD.
NOW HERE'S THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING THAT WAS TOUCHED ON THAT I PERSONALLY THINK NEEDS TO BE SIGNED, SEALED, AND DELIVERED.
BEFORE WE GO FURTHER, YOU MADE THE STATEMENT LAST TIME THAT THE SPINE ROAD WOULD TAKE SOME OF THE PRESSURE OFF OF JOHN SMITH ROAD, NOT ONLY WITH THERE, BUT THERE'S A TOTAL OF 1400 UNITS DENSITY APPROVED IN THIS PDD.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS DOES NOT GIVE YOU A PERMIT TO GO INTO THAT SPIRAL? NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, WHAT HAPPENS? BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T GO THROUGH THOSE WETLANDS THAT ARE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE, ALL THOSE COMMERCIAL AREAS AND ALL 1400 HOMES ARE GONNA BE COMING DOWN INTO THOSE TWO ROADS ONTO JOHN SMITH ROAD, IT CHANGES SUBSTANTIALLY.
NOW, PERSONALLY, I'LL GO BACK.
I THINK WE SHOULD NOT BE IN A HURRY TO MAKE A MISTAKE.
I THINK GET THE PERMIT, THEN COME BACK FOR US TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA HOPE THAT THAT SPINE ROW GETS DONE, WHETHER IT'S PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE, WHATEVER, IT'S ALREADY SOME DISTANT THING IN THE FUTURE.
BUT ALL THIS PLAN AND ALL OUR HOPES FOR THE SAFETY OF JOHN SMITH ROAD OR A PART OF IT IS THAT THE ACCOMPLISHMENT OF THAT SPINE ROAD.
AND UNTIL THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS SAYS, HEY, YOU CAN BUILD A ROAD THROUGH THOSE WETLANDS, IT'S ALL SUPPOSITION.
AND WHY SHOULD WE, AS A COUNCIL, APPROVE SOMETHING BASED ON SUPPOSITION, GET THAT DONE AND THEN COME BACK.
I THINK, UH, SOME OF THESE HAVE ALREADY BEEN, UH, ANSWER.
IT'S CAME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES.
SOUTH POINT HAS, UH, ALREADY BEEN GIVEN SOME, UM, APPROVALS THAT WATER AND SEWER WILL BE, UM, PROVIDED BY B-J-W-S-A.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE WILL, SIR.
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YES, SIR.SO I'M, I'M A LITTLE, UM, UNSURE.
WHAT HAS THE WATER SEWER PROJECT AT EXIT EIGHT HAVE TO DO WITH SOUTH POINT? WELL, UM, SO THE, THE, THE, THE, UM, ABILITY TO SERVE IS NOT THERE YET.
SO THEY, WE'VE GOT A WILL SERVE LETTER, MEANING WHEN WE CAN SUPPLY YOU THAT CAPACITY, WE WILL OKAY.
PROBABLY NEED TO MEET WITH YOU TOMORROW TO TALK THROUGH THIS.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS IN THAT AREA THAT HAVE AGREED IT.
AGAIN, I I MEANT SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT PROVIDING SEWER DOWN 2 78, SERVING THE HOSPITAL SERVING TRAVEL CENTER, SOME OTHERS THAT WE ALL AGREED TO TO PAY THEIR PRO RATA SHARE.
AGAIN, MINE'S ABOUT 30% COMING DOWN, 2 78.
I MEAN, THERE'S A WILLINGNESS TO IT'S TWO AND THAT'S MY POINT.
WHAT THE, THE COMMERCIAL, THE HOSPITAL, EVERYTHING IS CONTINGENT UPON THAT PROJECT.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOUTH POINT.
SOUTH POINT IS PAYING FOR IT, I THINK, OR THE PREPONDERANCE OF IT, BUT THAT YOU'RE PAYING HIM FOR IT BECAUSE YOU'RE A STAKEHOLDER IN EXIT EIGHT AND, AND TRAVEL CENTER EVERYTH.
I'M JUST MAKING IT CLEAR AND EVERYTHING ELSE, ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PAYING FOR THAT BECAUSE OF THAT.
YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR IT AS A BRIBE TO GET US TO, TO DO THIS.
IT SHOULD NOT BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.
IT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
I'M ASKING THE QUESTION AND YOUR ANSWER IS NOT.
AND THAT IT'S NOT, YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
THIS WAS BROUGHT UP A COUPLE TIMES BEFORE THIS CAME UP.
SO THAT'S, IT'S CLEAR IT'S NOT PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.
UM, GO THAT, UM, THAT FRONTAGE ROAD ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THAT AND THAT COMES OUT, HOW MANY FEET IS THAT FROM THE INTERSECTION OF JOHN SMITH ROAD AND I I'M ON IT RIGHT THERE.
WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU? YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT THERE.
THAT THE POINT YOU'RE TALKING YEAH.
CAITLYN OR WILLIE, I WANNA SAY, I'M GONNA GUESS 500 FEET.
UH, IT SEEMS LIKE REALLY CLOSE TO A REALLY BAD INTERSECTION.
SO ANYWAY, I'LL LET YOU TELL HIM.
I, I, I THINK I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.
OH, I WAS GONNA SAY, WE, WE THOUGHT THROUGH THAT TOO.
I MEAN, THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA END UP A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT, MR. MAYOR.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DESIGNED THIS ROAD TO COME ALL THE WAY THROUGH HERE.
SO THIS WILL BE THE RELIEF GOING TO THIS INTERSECTION.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I I DON'T THINK A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT WILL BE PROBLEMATIC AT ALL.
DO WE HAVE THAT SHOWN AS, UH, IS THAT, BUT I MEAN, AGAIN, IT MIGHT BE PRESENTLY, BUT DO T'S NOT GONNA ALLOW THAT.
I MEAN, WE, WE SORT OF KNOW THAT MR. MESMAN, UM, THE GO BACK TO PINE ARBOR BECAUSE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PEOPLE ALONG PINE ARBOR ARE GONNA HAVE A, A MAJOR CONCERN, ESPECIALLY AS THE MORGAN TRACK COMES TO BE DEVELOPED IN PREVIOUS, UH, DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE APPROVED.
AND THEY, WHEN THERE WAS A LIGHT PROPOSED, THERE WERE SOME PRELIMINARY APPROVALS FROM DOT THAT CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE MET, THEN A LIGHT WOULD BE, UH, CONSIDERED OKAY.
HAS THAT BEEN DONE? YOU MEAN A, A LIGHT ANALYSIS FOR PINE ARBOR AT PINE ARBOR ROAD? WE LOOKED AT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE, YES.
THAT'S, THAT'S THERE, THERE'S TWO OPTIONS.
A CIRCLE ABOUT ANY AND OR A LIGHT OR, OR A LIGHT.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY PRE-APPROVAL BY DOT FOR A LIGHT AT THAT POINT? SO THAT WILL REQUIRE A SIGNAL WARRANT STUDY, AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED YET.
SO WE CAN SPECULATE ALL WE WANT THAT.
AND WE CAN SAY, WE'LL PUT A LIGHT THERE, BUT UNTIL DOT SAYS IT'S OKAY, THEN THAT'S ALL IT IS, IS SPECULATION.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOW, WE'RE POTENTIALLY STUCK WITH NO LIGHT THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T DIE.
THEY WILL, THEY WILL REQUIRE A IMPROVEMENT, WHETHER IT IS A SIGNAL OR A ROUNDABOUT.
THEY WILL, THEY WILL HOLD THAT.
UM, THE, THERE'S $8 MILLION WORTH OF ROADS PLUS WHATEVER IT COSTS TO GET THAT FIRST DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I
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BELIEVE IS SEVERAL HUNDRED HOMES IN PARCEL 17 AND 17.A QUESTION IS, BEFORE WE START PERMITTING, WILL ALL THESE ROADS IMPROVEMENTS BE FINISHED? I MEAN, I'M GONNA DEFER TO BRANDON AND KATIE ON THAT.
I MEAN, AS WE BRING IN AN IMP, LET'S JUST SAY WE'RE GONNA DO 260 HOMES HERE.
I ASSUME THAT IMP COMES IN AND BRANDON AND KATIE ARE GONNA SAY, WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU A PERMIT UNTIL YOU IMPROVE THIS.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE MY ASSUMPTION.
UM, THAT ACTUALLY CAN BE DONE AT THE IMP LEVEL.
CAN WE DO IT IN DO IT, LIKE IF WE APPROVE THIS? YES, SIR.
CAN WE PUT IN THIS A CLAUSE THAT SAYS THERE WILL BE NO PERMITTING UNTIL ALL THE APPROVED ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ARE COMPLETE? ANY, ANYTIME.
I, I CAN'T ANSWER WHETHER YOU CAN PUT IT IN THIS ONE.
BUT WHEN THE NEXT IMP, SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH COBBLESTONE WHEN THEY CAME IN OFF OF JASPER STATION ROAD AND THAT THEY CAN'T GET THOSE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES UNTIL THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE AT SHORTCUT ROAD AND ARGENT BOULEVARD.
THAT'S THE KIND OF THING YOU CAN DO WHEN THAT IMP COMES IN WHEN THAT SITUATION HAPPENS FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.
THEY, THEY HAD, THEY DIDN'T COME.
THIS IS AN INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN.
THERE WAS NO INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN BEFORE COBBLESTONE.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT, AND THERE'S NO DI THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL UNITS OR COMMERCIAL UNITS FOR THIS INFRASTRUCTURE.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME ASK, UH, MRS. MAIN, I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
WE, WHY CAN'T WE REQUIRED IN THIS DOCUMENT AS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IF WE REQUIRED IN THE NEXT DOCUMENT, WHAT WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO IS RESTRICT DEVELOPMENT, BUT DEVELOPMENT OF UNITS IS NOT BEING GRANTED THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S BEING GRANTED THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN.
YOU CAN RESTRICT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE UNITS WHEN THEY COME BACK AND ASK FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE UNITS, WHICH WILL BE THAT SUBSEQUENT IMP.
SO IF WHEN AN IMP COMES UP AT THAT POINT, WE CAN REQUIRE THAT ALL ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, BOTH FOR BOTH MOUS BE COMPLETED BEFORE PERMITTING ARE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE INTERNAL ROADS OR THE ONE, THE 2 7 8.
THERE, THERE ARE, THERE'S $8 MILLION OF IMPROVEMENTS IN THE MOU.
THEN THERE'S X MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MORE THAT GOES THE IMPROVEMENTS NECESSARY FROM THE THAT MOU TO PINE ARBOR ROAD.
AND MY QUESTION IS, CAN THE, WHETHER IT BE IN THIS DOCUMENT OR IN INITIAL MASTER PLAN, THAT WE REQUIRE ALL X MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF ROAD IMPROVEMENTS BE COMPLETE BEFORE WE START PERMITTING ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT? SO YOU CAN PUT RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT THAT IMP SCOPE INCLUDES.
SO IF THAT IMP INCLUDES PORTIONS THAT TOUCH THAT ROAD, THEN YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAKE REQUIREMENTS ON THAT.
BUT IF THAT IMP DOESN'T TOUCH A ROAD ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU, YOU CAN'T RESTRICT WHAT'S NOT IN THAT APPLICATION.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IF I UNDERSTAND, IF AN IMP COMES FOR PARCEL 17 A AND 17, AND BECAUSE THEY DON'T TOUCH THE $8 MILLION WORTH OF ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, THEY CAN DEVELOP THAT WELL BEFORE THE $8 MILLION OF ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ARE DONE.
I, I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDIES SAY AT THAT TIME FOR WHAT IS WARNED WHAT, WHAT'S NECESSARY TO BE DONE.
BUT YES, YOU, YOU WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO EITHER GRANT THAT RIGHT, TO DEVELOP ON THAT PARCEL OR NOT, BASED UPON WHAT ROAD IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN DONE.
MR. MAYOR, LET ME, YOU WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO LET ME SAY THIS ON THE ONE $8 MILLION PROJECT.
AND I, I STILL CONTEND IT'S LESS THAN THAT A LITTLE BIT.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PUSHING BACK ON THAT.
I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE WHOLE PROJECT.
SO THAT, I MEAN THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE POINT YOU WERE GONNA MAKE, WILLIE, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE WE, WE ALSO AGREE, I MEAN, IT'S A, AN ADDITIONAL DEMAND BASED ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT OUR EDD APPROVAL SAYS.
BUT WE WE'RE IN AGREEANCE ON THAT.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND IT'LL HELP EVERYBODY.
SO, AND THAT'S THE START OF PINE ARBOR SOLUTION.
I WAS JUST GONNA STATE THAT WE KNOW THAT JOHN SMITH INTERSECTION DOES NOT FUNCTION VERY WELL RIGHT NOW.
SO DOT WON'T ALLOW US TO EVEN BUILD A HOME IN PARCEL 17 UNTIL THESE OTHER SITUATIONS
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HAVE BEEN RESOLVED AS WELL.SO THERE'S DOT HAS THEIR, THEIR STAKE IN THE GAME BECAUSE IT'S, IT TIES INTO IT.
NO, APPRECIATE YOU CLARIFYING.
SO THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION IS, CAN WE REQUIRE ALL 8 MILLION PLUS WHATEVER MILLION BE DONE BEFORE WE START PERMITTING THIS FIRST 350 UNIT PARCEL? ALRIGHT, SO YOU'RE ASKING PRIOR TO THAT DEVELOPMENT PERMIT WITH THE SHEET, I'M ASKING THE QUESTION, CAN WE MAKE THAT A CONDITION OR A REQUIREMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE? YOU, YOU'RE GONNA GO WITH THE THREE 50 YOU ALREADY INDICATED AT THE WORKSHOP THAT YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU WANNA BUILD A ROAD UP TO THAT.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHILE THAT THREE 50 IS DONE, EVERY CONSTRUCTION VEHICLE WILL COME OUT OF THAT, THAT ROADWAY IN ADDITION TO ALL THE TRAFFIC WE HAVE ALREADY.
SO THE PREMISE THAT YOU'RE GONNA FIX THESE ROADS AND IT'S GONNA MAKE IT BETTER, WILL NOT BE IN EFFECT IF WE APPROVE PARCEL 17 AND 17 A.
SO ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE PREMISES GO OUT THE WINDOW.
ALL IT DOES IS THE, THE, UH, THE CURRENT CONDITIONS PLUS ALL THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THAT NEW ROAD WILL BE PUTTING ALL THAT PRESSURE ONTO JOHN SMITH ROAD.
UNLESS, UNLESS ALL THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT GET DONE, AM I RIGHT? SO AS PART OF THIS APPROVAL, YOU CANNOT REQUIRE THE ROAD, LIKE YOU CAN'T PUT THAT RESTRICTION INTO THIS APPROVAL BECAUSE THIS APPROVAL IS NOT ASKING FOR PARCEL 17 A OR PARCEL 17 TO HAVE THOSE DEVELOPMENT PERMITS ISSUED.
THAT'S A DETERMINATION THAT YOU CAN MAKE WHEN THEY COME TO YOU FOR 17 AND 17.
A SO LET'S GO BACK TO MY QUESTION BECAUSE YOU KEEP CIRCLING AROUND IT UNTIL IT CAN WE, WHEN THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN COMES IN, CAN WE REQUIRE THAT ALL 8 MILLION PLUS WHATEVER EXTRA MILLION GET FINISHED BEFORE WE START PERMITTING THE ROAD? YOU CAN MAKE THAT CONSIDERATION BASED ON THAT APPLICATION.
BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU YES OR NO ON THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THAT APPLICATION HAS NOT BEEN PRESENTED YET.
UM, MR. MAYOR, LEMME JUST MAKE ONE POINT, AND, AND IT, AND IT, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T, OBVIOUSLY SOMETIMES I COME ACROSS A LITTLE BLUNT, BUT IN A PERFECT WORLD, ALL, ALL OF THIS WOULD BE DONE, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'D HAVE ALL THE ROADS PERFECT, AND THEN WE'D COME BACK TO YOU.
BUT THAT'S JUST NOT HOW, HOW IT CAN WORK.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S AN EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION.
AND YOU KNOW, I I THINK ABOUT A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN YOU AND I WENT OUT FOR A GREAT LUNCH AND YOU SAID, BRIAN, I WANNA FIND A REASON FOR PEOPLE TO STOP AND, AND SHOP AND ENJOY THIS AND NOT HEAD IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION ON 2 78.
I TOOK THAT VERY SERIOUSLY, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.
BUT THERE'S NO WAY IN THE WORLD, I JUST DON'T THINK, I MEAN, LOOK, AS MUCH AS I, I'VE COMMITTED TO HARDY V AND TO THIS PROCESS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA FIND ANYBODY THAT'S GONNA SAY, LET'S BUILD THIS AND MAKE IT ABSOLUTELY PERFECT CURBS IN GUTTERS IN TRAFFIC SIGNALS OR IMPLANTS, AND THEN LET'S COME TO YOU WITH SOME, LET YOU THINK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GONNA ALLOW US TO DO SOME PROJECTS WITHIN OUR DEVELOPMENT.
SO PLEASE JUST BE CONSIDERATE OF THE, THE GIVE AND TAKE.
AND I, AND I, AND I KNOW YOU ARE IN PRINCIPLE, BUT I FEEL LIKE IN THIS PROCESS WE'RE BEING A LITTLE SHORTSIGHTED.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID THAT.
I MEAN, IN A PERFECT WORLD, I MEAN, YOU GO OUT AND SPEND ALL THIS MONEY TO PUT IT IN, BUT BUT WE HAVE TO SEQUENCE IT.
AND IT'S THE PROCESS IS WORKING.
I MEAN, IF, IF WE CAN TRUST THE STAFF AND THE EXPERTS WE'RE THERE.
AND I MEAN, WE'RE COMMITTED AND, AND YOU KNOW, SO POINT BEING IS, I, I HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE, THE MONEY, THE TIME AND EFFORT WE'VE SPENT TO GET TO THIS POINT.
I MEAN, WE TAKE OUR ERRORS UP HERE, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK YOU CAN APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO THE DEVELOPER.
YOU'RE NOT TALKING TO THE CONSULTANT, YOU'RE TALKING TO ME, MR. MAYOR.
SO WE'RE TELLING YOU WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING HERE.
AND I JUST, AND MY POINT IS, I MEAN, YOU, IF YOU MAKE IT SO BURDENSOME AND YOU CREATE ADDITIONAL DEMANDS FROM WHAT WE WERE APPROVED YOU, AND MAYBE THAT IS THE GOAL TO MAKE IT AN IMPOSSIBILITY, BUT THERE, THERE'S IRREPARABLE DAMAGE IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA SAY WHAT WE'RE ASKING, RIGHT? AND FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW WHAT I'VE SAID, AND I'VE SAID MANY TIMES FROM THE DAY I WALKED IN HERE, I'VE, I'VE, I'VE PROMOTED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT I WANTED COMMERCIAL IN HARDY.
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COMES THIS WAY.I'M NOT LOOKING AT ANY COMMERCIAL.
WHY ARE YOU SEEING THE 1400 HOMES AND NOT THE COMMERCIAL? LIKE, TELL ME THAT THE, THE, THE COMMERCIAL IS, IS SOME DREAM.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE 6,000 HOMES GOING IN MARGARITAVILLE, 72 ACRES.
THEY HAVEN'T EVEN PUT A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND AFTER, AFTER SEVEN YEARS.
THE COMMERCIAL, WHILE WE ALL WANT IT, AND WE WANT IT MORE THAN WE NEED HOMES RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE PLENTY OF HOMES PERMITTED AGREE AND, AND MASTER PLANT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE COMMERCIAL.
SO I CAN'T TAKE USE, OH, WE'LL GET COMMERCIAL.
I HEARD THAT SEVEN YEARS AGO WHEN MARGARITAVILLE CAME IN.
YOU KEEP LINKING ME TO THAT PROJECT.
AND I WILL SAY OUR SITE IS, STANDS ON ITS OWN MERIT.
I MEAN, I CAN'T HAVE A BETTER SITE OR I WOULDN'T HAVE BET SO STRONGLY ON THIS SITE.
SO YOU THINK I'M CRAZY ENOUGH TO SPEND THIS KIND OF MONEY, PUT THIS KIND OF EFFORT INTO SOMETHING THAT'S A FANTASY.
MR. MAYOR, WE, I MEAN, I CAN SOMEBODY GET TO THE EXHIBIT ON THE, UM, COMMERCIAL FOR ME IT'S, I MEAN, BRIAN, BRIAN, I DON'T NEED ANOTHER EXHIBIT.
WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M ASKING FROM AN MOU FROM ALL THE THINGS I'M ASKING IS THAT WE TIE THESE THINGS TOGETHER.
THERE'S TOO MANY LOOSE ENDS THAT YOU'RE ASKING THIS COUNCIL TO PROVE SOMETHING WHEN THERE ARE LOOSE ENDS.
THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF LOOSE, LOOSE ENDS, MR. MAYOR, THERE'S, THERE'S NO MOU SIGNED THAT GETS CONDITION.
THERE IS NO PERMIT TO DO THE SPINE ROAD AND THOSE THINGS.
ARE WE, WE HAVE NO, I KNOW YOU HAVE A BUILDER FOR, FOR 17 AND 17 A, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, LETTERS OF INTENT.
WE, WE, SOME, IT'S ALL SPECULATIVE AND I'M HAPPY FOR YOU AND I TO GO TALK TO, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I, IT'S HARD TO PROVE OUR BUSINESS MODEL TO YOU.
I TOLD YOU WE'RE DOING IT METHODICALLY.
WE COULD HAVE, I MEAN, THIS COMMERCIAL CAN'T EXIST ON AN ISLAND WITH NO RESIDENTIAL AROUND IT.
SO IT HAS TO BE DONE IN TANDEM.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW THAT, AND YES, WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN A TIER THREE RETAILER MONTHS AGO.
WE COULD GET, AND I WON'T NAME 'EM, BUT WE ARE, WE'VE BEEN VERY METHODICAL AND IT'S COSTLY TO TRY TO GET A DESTINATION RETAILER AND TO PROVIDE THE SMALL RETAIL CENTER OR THE TOWN CENTER THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
AND TRUST ME, I WOULDN'T HAVE SPENT THIS MUCH MONEY AND TIME ON IT IF I THOUGHT IT WAS NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, ON THE WETLAND BACK TO THE WETLANDS, WE'RE HALFWAY THERE.
I I FEEL PRETTY SURE THAT OUR CONSULTANTS HAVE NOT LET US ASTRAY.
I MEAN, IT WOULD BE AN EXPENSIVE, UH, DETOUR IF THAT WAS THE CASE.
SO AGAIN, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I CAN CONVINCE YOU, MR. MAYOR, IT'S EITHER YOU LIKE IT OR YOU DON'T.
I JUST WANT, I JUST WANT THE THE LOOSE SENSE TIED UP BEFORE WE SAY YES.
YOU'RE ASKING US TO SAY YES IF, AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, THIS COULD HAPPEN, THIS COULD HAPPEN.
AND I'M, I'M JUST SAYING LET'S GET IT THE COULDS TO DEFINITELY DONE BEFORE WE APPROVE THIS.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY STANCE ON THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO GET THE MOU SIGNED, GET THE PERMITS FOR THE SPINE ROAD, COME BACK AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS IT.
THE PERMITS FOR THE SPINE ROAD MAY TAKE, UH, UM, NINE MONTHS, NINE TO 12 MONTHS.
OKAY? WE'RE IN, OUR APPLICATION IS IN, WE FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT IT.
LIKE I SAID, A PORTION OF IT'S DONE.
THE POINT IS, YOU CAN, CAN YOU THINK WE SHOULD WAIT A YEAR AND NOT CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS? I MEAN, US DO OUR PART, YOU DO YOUR PART.
YOU'RE SAYING WAIT A YEAR AND COME BACK TO YOU.
I MEAN, THE WORLD COULD CHANGE AT THAT POINT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT'S WHY IT SHOULD BE BUTTONED UP BEFORE WE SAY YES.
AND AGAIN, I'LL GO BACK TO MR. WHITE.
LET'S NOT BE IN A HURRY TO MAKE A MISTAKE.
I CAN THAT AND THERE'S NOT A LOT.
WELL, IF YOU DON'T GET THAT SPINE ROAD IN, IT'S GONNA BE A MISTAKE.
IT WOULD, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, WHO WOULD PAY THE ULTIMATE PENALTY WOULD BE ME.
BECAUSE THEN WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THE RESIDENTIAL.
BUT THAT'S A RISK WORTH TAKING FOR HARDY.
I GOT ONE MORE QUESTION AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
UM, THE JOHN SMITH ROAD, TO ME, AND I'VE ALWAYS FELT THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY LANE.
AND YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT, WHAT I'M SEEING HERE IS, IS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TREES BEING CUT DOWN.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO THE LANE IMPROVEMENTS? OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO CUT TREES DOWN.
AND SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER THERE'S A STEEP DROP OFF.
SO THERE'S, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE BUILT UP.
CAN WE HAVE A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER SO THAT THAT TREE LINED LANE REMAINS A TREE LINED LANE AND THE HOMES ARE BEHIND IT UNSEEN? I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR OUR SIDE AND
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KEVIN WOULD DO A MUCH BETTER JOB ARTICULATE, BUT WE'VE, IN EFFECT, GIVEN YOU A MUCH INCREASED BUFFER.UM, SO YOU WANNA TALK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT, KEVIN? I, I THINK WE'RE GONNA ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU WANT, MR. MAYOR, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN GIVE YOU A HUNDRED FEET ALL THE WAY DOWN JOHN SMITH ROAD.
AND, AND, AND AGAIN, REMEMBER WE'RE, WE'RE A COUPLE HUNDRED ACRE PUDI MEAN MORGAN TRACK, SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES ARE THOUSANDS OF ACRES.
THEY COULD AFFORD TO, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO BE A LITTLE FLEXIBLE.
WE HAVE SOME CONSTRAINTS WITH THIS WETLAND THAT KIND OF BACKS UP AGAINST, AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE GIVEN YOU A FAIR BUFFER THAT'S GONNA KEEP THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, TREE LINE ALONG JOHN SMITH ROAD.
WE'D PREFER TO MAYBE APPROACH THIS WITH LANDSCAPE BUFFER ENHANCEMENTS.
I MEAN, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH STAFF ON INCREASING THOSE PLANT BACK STANDARDS, FILLING IN GAPS WHERE THERE, THERE'S BUFFER, UH, GAPS IN THE BUFFERS.
I THINK THAT'S IN A MORE APPROPRIATE WAY TO HANDLE THAT.
UH, JOHN SMITH ROAD, AGAIN, I THINK 50 ALONG HERE, AND THEN A, A 60 ALONG HERE IS, IS IS ADEQUATE PERSONALLY.
UM, AND AGAIN, THERE'S GONNA BE A REC RADIATION TRAIL THAT'S GONNA MEANDER THROUGH THAT.
UM, I THINK THE, THE, THE LANDSCAPE IS CHANGING, AS YOU ALL KNOW WITH THIS AREA.
UH, WHAT LOOKS LIKE A RURAL COUNTRY ROAD TODAY IS, IS GONNA CHANGE.
AND WE DO WANNA DO THE BEST TO PRESERVE THE, THE TREE LINE.
AND, AND AGAIN, I I, RYAN DOES SAY THAT I, I AM NOT TREE HUGGER, TRUST ME.
AND, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SAVE ALL OF THEM, BUT, BUT YOU CAN WORK AND DO A LOT WITHIN 50 TO 60 FEET, AND WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED WILL LOSE THE CHARACTER OF THAT ROADWAY.
UM, OKAY, I, I'M, I'M EXHAUSTED.
AND, UM, AS YES, SIR, YES, I, I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED TO LEARN 20 MINUTES AGO THAT THESE BEAUTIFUL DRAWINGS I HAVE REALLY DON'T TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH.
THE THE $8 MILLION IS ONLY GONNA COVER TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
SO, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE BEING SKEPTICAL.
YOU, WE, WE SAID THAT THOSE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE WILLING TO, WE, WE ARE THE ONES THAT DESIGNED AND ENGINEERED THAT THE $8 MILLION PROJECT IS JUST A THREE PARTY AGREEMENT.
WE'RE HANDLING THAT MR. MESMAN.
SO, I MEAN, I'M SORRY THAT YOU'RE DISAPPOINTED, BUT WE FACTOR THAT INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT THAT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE JUST SMOKE AND MIRRORS.
I, I WOULD, I JUST WISH IT WOULD'VE BEEN EXPLAINED THAT THIS FIRST PORTION WILL COME TO THERE.
YOU WILL BE TAKING ON THE REST OF IT, BUT WITHOUT ANY, YOU KNOW, THE TIMETABLE OR ANYTHING ELSE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
WELL, THE ONE MAIN THING THAT'LL MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER IS IF WE, LET'S JUST, I KNOW 17 IS NOT A DONE DEAL, BUT, AND IF IT DOES COME ON, WE HAVE TO IMPROVE, MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO GET TO 17.
EVERY TIME WE COME IN WITH A DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE GONNA SAY, YOU GOTTA WIDEN THIS.
SO, SO THESE THINGS ARE GONNA HAPPEN.
AND WE'VE CREATED THE TEMPLATE THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO LIVE BY.
SO, WELL, 17 WILL BE ACCESSED OFF OF THAT FIRST THOUSAND FEET TO YOUR MAIN ENTRANCE.
WELL, I MEAN, AGAIN, I JUST THREW THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
IF WE WE DECIDE TO DEVELOP THAT, THEN THERE'S GONNA BE IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED ALL DOWN HERE.
I MEAN, AT, AT TOTAL BUILD OUT, THIS IS 100% IMPORTANT.
BUT AS WE DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, IN SEQUENCE, I DON'T THINK ALL THIS IS DAY ONE IMPORTANT, BUT SO THE, THE REMAINING, WELL, YOU ARE WILLING TO TAKE ON A HUNDRED PERCENT YOURSELF AND NOT GO FOR AN MOU WITH MORGAN.
WE'RE WE, NO, WE WOULD HAVE, I MEAN, NEVER.
MORGAN WOULD HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR PORTION, AND WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HOURS.
THANK, BUT IF YOU NOTICE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, MR. MESMAN, ON, YOU KNOW, LINING IT UP AND MAKING SURE.
WE'RE NOT MR. MAYOR, ONE QUICK THING, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
I, I DID, I THINK IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MOU COVERS, AND WE HAVE DYLAN HERE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I'M NOT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
WHAT WE PAID THEM TO DO IS TO LOOK AT THE TRA THE COMPLETE BUILD OUT OF THOSE THREE DEVELOPMENTS FOR THAT INTERSECTION.
SO WHAT THIS DOES IS THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THEIR SHARE OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACTING THAT DEVELOPMENT AT FULL BUILD OUT, NOT RIGHT NOW, NOT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW AND 20 YEARS FROM NOW, 15, 20 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN IT'S BILLED OUT.
WHAT THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE WILLING TO DO IS EVEN THOUGH 20 YEARS FROM NOW THAT, THAT WHEN THE DEVELOPMENTS ARE ALL BUILT OUT, WE ARE WILLING NOW TO PAY OUR $8 MILLION TO IMPROVE THAT INTERSECTION BASED ON FIGURES OF FULL BUILD OUT OF THOSE THREE DEVELOPMENTS.
THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO THAT.
ANYTIME THEY COME IN WITH AN IMP, THE, THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION LOOKS AT THE IMMEDIATE MITIGATION NEEDED NOT, AND THEY DON'T SAY WHAT WAS, COULD BE APPROVED, WHAT IS PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED.
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THEY DON'T LOOK AT THE WHOLE, THEY DON'T LOOK AT MORGAN, THEY DON'T LOOK AT, THEY LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY WHAT'S ASKED TO BE DEVELOPED, NOT WHAT COULD BE DEVELOPED, WHAT POSSIBLY COULD BE DEVELOPED, AND WHAT'S THE IMMEDIATE MITIGATION.SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M, WHAT MY POINT IS, IS WE'RE SAYING THEY'RE THESE DEVELOPERS WORKING IN JUNCTION WITH THE CITY IN A GOOD COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.
I, I, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT DONE IN MY CAREER.
THEY'RE GONNA PLEDGE $8 MILLION TO IMPROVE THAT SITUATION AT THAT INTERSECTION FOR THE 20 YEARS IN THE FUTURE, BASED ON A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT AND FULL BUILD OUT OF THOSE THREE DEVELOPMENTS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS WHAT THAT MOU REPRESENTS.
WE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE QUESTION WAS, MR. ZIBO WAS WILL IT BE DONE BEFORE THEY START BUILDING? AND THAT WAS THE QUESTION.
AND, AND MR. MARGAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO SPEAK FOR ANY OF THE DEVELOPERS.
OUR UNDERSTANDING IN OUR NEGOTIATION, THE THREE PARTIES IN PRINCIPLE HAVE AGREED.
NOW, AGAIN, ASK, AS YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS SAY THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS.
SO WE PRESENTED THEM AGREEMENT IN GENERAL.
THEY SAY WE AGREE WITH THE PERCENTAGES, WE AGREE WITH THE PROCESS, WE AGREE WITH PUTTING THE LETTER OF CREDIT AND THE MONEY UP FRONT.
WE NEED EXECUTION OF THAT DOCUMENT.
BUT THOSE THREE PARTIES WORKING INJUNCTION WITH THE CITY SAID WE'RE GONNA SOLVE A PROBLEM THERE THAT IT'S A STATE HIGHWAY AND WE'RE GONNA SOLVE IT US COLLECTIVELY.
THAT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL UNDERSTAND THAT.
AGAIN, THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE GONNA SOLVE IT BEFORE WE CREATE AN ADDITIONAL PROBLEM? ARE WE GONNA SOLVE IT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WHEN YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE DYING? UH, THAT'S, THAT WAS THE QUESTION.
UM, LET'S GO INTO THE NEXT PHASE.
UH, AND THAT IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
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ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY.UM, SINCE THERE'S NO COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA ASK FOR A MOTION.
BUT I RECOMMEND TO THIS COUNCIL THAT WE, UM, THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL WE HAVE AN MOU AND SOME BETTER IDEA ON PERMITTING OF THE SPINE VOTE.
BUT I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, AT THIS TIME FROM COUNSEL MAYOR.
UH, YOU'LL HAVE TO PICK A MEETING DATE IF TO, TO COMPLETE THAT MOTION.
AND HOW FAR OUT DOES THE DATE HAVE TO BE? THAT'S UP TO YOU.
YOUR NEXT TWO MEETINGS ARE OCTOBER 3RD AND OCTOBER 17TH.
NO, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 30 DAYS.
DOES IT HAVE TO BE 60 DAYS? IT CAN BE WHATEVER WE SAY.
IF WE APPROVE THIS AT FIRST READING, WHICH I'M NOT GONNA SAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, HOW I WILL GO WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD NOT APPROVE IT AT AT A SECOND READING UNTIL THE ISSUES YOU JUST RAISED HAVE BEEN ANSWERED.
CAN AN MR. MAYOR, DID I ANSWER THAT? GO RIGHT AHEAD.
YOUR, UM, APPROVALS ARE ONLY FINAL AT SECOND READING.
SO THE SECOND READING IS WHAT THE FINAL APPROVAL IS.
SO WE CAN DO FIRST APPROVAL TONIGHT AND THEN WAIT FOR THESE ANSWERS BEFORE WE DO WE HAVE THOSE ANSWERS BEFORE WE HAVE A SECOND READING? YES.
YOUR SECOND READING WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE SCHEDULED FOR THE NEXT MEETING, BUT YOU COULD DECIDE AT THAT TIME IF YOU'VE RECEIVED THE ANSWERS THAT YOU NEED THEIR SATISFACTORY OR MOVE THAT VOTE AT THAT TIME AS WELL.
SO WE KEEP PUSHING IT DOWN UNTIL WE HAVE THOSE ANSWERS.
HOW ABOUT, UM, MAYBE A, UM, SUGGESTION.
MAYBE, UH, APPROVE IT ON, UM, FIRST READING, PROVIDING WE GET THE, UH, SIGNED MOU THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST ASKING.
AND THEN, AND THEN AT LEAST WE'RE NOT LETTING, UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ASKING A LOT FROM THEM, BUT WE NEED TO BE WILLING TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT TOO.
SO IF WE SAY WE'LL DO THE, UM, WE'LL APPROVE IT ON FIRST READING PROVIDED TO GET A SIGNED MOU, AND THEN AFTER THAT, STEVE, THE SECOND CAN BE PUSHED TO WHATEVER TILL AT LEAST WE'VE GIVEN THEM SOMETHING TILL WE GET THAT.
THE PERMIT, ITS THE COURT OF ENGINEERS.
AS MUCH AS I'D LOVE TO SEE YOU CAN GET THAT NEXT MEETING.
REALISTICALLY IS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY.
WE KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA PRE AM I WRONG WITH THAT OR YEAH, JUST PROVIDE THE LIST OF ITEMS YOU WANT BEFORE SECOND READING SO EVERYONE CAN START WORKING ON OBTAINING THOSE IF THEY CAN BE OBTAINED.
STEVE, LET ME ADD TO WHAT YOU SAID.
MY VIEW OF THIS IS, THIS IS A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS AND I BELIEVE WE CAN GIVE AN APPROVAL ON THE FIRST READING WORK, THE
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COLLABORATIVE PROCESS.WE HAVE SEQUENCES THAT WE CAN STOP THINGS AND SO THAT WE GET IT MOVING AND THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE ON BOARD.
BUT THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO.
AND I, I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF THAT, UH, COLLABORATIVE THING.
A YES TONIGHT AND MOVING ON FROM MY PERSONAL OPINION.
AND, UH, SO SINCE EVERYONE'S SHARING THEIR PERSONAL OPINION, I'D JUST LIKE TO SHARE MINE ON THAT.
I CAN TELL YOU LET OUT, I WILL NOT APPROVE IT AT A SECOND READING UNTIL WE HAVE THESE ANSWERS.
I JUST, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO, YOU HAD SAID SOMETHING A LITTLE EARLIER, BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR A LOT AND WE NEED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT TOO.
SO IF THAT'S NOT DONE, IT STILL DOESN'T GET IT DONE ANY FASTER.
AND, UH, AGAIN, I'LL KEEP GOING BACK TO IT.
WHY ARE WE IN SUCH A HURRY? AND, UH, WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD TIMES IN THE PAST WHERE, YOU KNOW, UH, FIVE OH, APPROVAL ON FIRST READING, AND THEN WE HAD A SITUATION COME UP IN SECOND READING AND WE SAID, WELL, THEY APPROVED IT FOR, YOU KNOW, AND IT, IT JUST, I I AM, I'M TOTALLY FINE.
THAT'S A SLIP SLIPPERY SLOPE TO SAY YES TO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT TOTALLY TIED UP.
SO, UH, I'M, I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE IF WE HAVE CONDITIONS, IF WE HAVE CONCERNS, GET 'EM TAKEN CARE OF AND COME BACK FOR FIRST READING.
SO, UM, LET'S GET A MOTION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
AND, UH, THEN, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE MOTION, THEN IT CAN BE DISCUSSED FURTHER IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO.
MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON FIRST READING IF I AM, AM I CORRECT PAGE HERE,
DOWN THE FIRST READING OF, UH, ORDINANCE 2024 DASH NINE DASH 18 A, WE HAVE A MOTION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY STIPULATIONS WITH THAT? MR. MURPHY STIPULATIONS WOULD BE THAT THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WILL BE SUBMITTED THROUGH OUR ATTORNEY WILL BE ANSWERED PRIOR TO APPROVAL AT SECOND READING.
YOU, ME TO DO THAT PRE NOW? YES, SIR.
UM, MR. MAYOR, WE HAVE A MOTION.
ANY COMMENTS BY PUBLIC OR BY COUNSEL? YOU KNOW, I, ONE OF THE THINGS FOR ME, IT'S A TRUST ISSUE AND WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER AND IT'S A COLLABORATIVE ISSUE.
AND SO I I'M IN SUPPORT OF WHAT HAS BEEN SAID IN TERMS OF THE MOTION AND THE SECOND, TO ME, THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF TRUST, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF PERSONALITY, MR. MAYOR, NOT YOURS, MAYBE, BUT MINE.
DID YOU, YOU FINISHED STATEMENT AND I'M, I'M, I'M TALKING, YOU SAID IT'S NOT ABOUT TRUST, THAT'S YOUR OPINION.
SO WE JUST SEE IT DIFFERENTLY.
AND I, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR COMMENT, I DON'T THINK IT'S A, UH, IT'S A MATTER OF TRUST.
IT'S A MATTER OF MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE FOR THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC.
THAT'S WHO WE REPORT TO, AND THAT'S MY OPINION.
DID YOU HEAR STEVE'S THINGS SAY THAT WE WOULD FILL ALL THOSE IN BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND AND THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.
RIGHT? AND I, I SAID I, I DON'T AGREE WITH APPROVING FIRST READING UNTIL ALL EVERYTHING'S DONE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
AND I ASKED IF THERE WERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS.
ANYBODY ELSE? UM, MS. MAINS, IF FOR EXAMPLE, WE WOULD SAY WE GIVE APPROVAL ON FIRST READING.
DID I JUST HEAR YOU SAY THAT THAT DOESN'T HOLD UNTIL WE HAVE THE SECOND READING AND THERE'S APPROVAL? IS THAT CORRECT? ORDINANCES ARE NOT BINDING UNTIL THEY'VE HAD TWO READINGS.
I'M GONNA CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS.
UH, MS. CINDY, WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL? COUNCIL MEMBER CAROL? YES.
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NO.SO THE ORDINANCE FIRST READING, UH, PASSES THREE, TWO, AND IT WILL BE, UH, QUESTIONS WILL BE SUBMITTED THROUGH OUR ATTORNEY.
NEXT WE HAVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA AUTHORIZING THE
[A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE SOUTH CAROLINA AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A MEMORADUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SC AND BENNETT & REINDL COMPANIES, LLC (BBR) FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING. (2024-9-18B)]
CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE CITY OF HARDY V, SOUTH CAROLINA AND BENNETT AND RDE, UH, COMPANIES, LLC FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING.THIS IS RESOLUTION 2024 DASH NINE DASH 18 B.
WE'LL HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING AND ONE VOTE.
CAN WE PUT UP THE POWER POINT PRESENTATION REAL QUICK? JUST GOT A FEW SLIDES.
WELL, I, I THINK, UM, THE COUNCIL'S WELL AWARE AND, UH, OUR COMMUNITY'S WELL AWARE AND THROUGH OUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVE PROCESSING, IT'S JUST NOT OUR, OUR LOCAL PROBLEM OF ATTAINABLE HOUSING, PROVIDING ATTAINABLE HOUSING TO OUR POLICEMEN, FIREMEN, NURSES, ANYBODY THAT LIVES HERE IS, IS, IS OUR GOAL.
UM, SO, UM, WE'VE SOUGHT OUT A PARTNER TO WORK WITH US TO DEVELOP A QUALITY ATTAINABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
SO WE DO HAVE MR. DAVID BENNETT.
I THINK PEOPLE MIGHT RECOGNIZE HIM AS FORMER MAYOR OF HILTON HEAD, BUT HE, HIM AND HIS PARTNERS TO ATTAINABLE HOUSING, UH, VERY QUALITY ATTAINABLE HOUSING.
SO, UH, I THINK THE COUNCIL'S RECALLS.
UM, THE CITY RECENTLY RECEIVED, UH, APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES FROM A, A DEVELOPER, UM, IN AN ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT WITH SOME, UM, NEARBY CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
THAT'S THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER.
UM, SO WE MADE SOME, A NUMBER OF INQUIRIES AND ONE OF THE, UH, UH, FINE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE DID CONTACT WAS MR. DAVID BENNETT ABOUT FORMING A PARTNERSHIP TO PROVIDE AN ATTAINABLE HOUSING PROJECT IN THE CITY.
UM, SO I'LL LET DAVID MAYBE TALK A LITTLE ABOUT HIS COMPANY, UH, AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO SOME OF THE BULLET POINTS OF THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT.
MR. DAVID, UH, THANK YOU MR. ZIBO.
DAVID BENNETT FROM BENNETT REINO COMPANIES.
UH, MR. MAYOR WILLIAMS, IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU, SIR.
WELCOME AND THE BALANCE OF THE COUNCIL.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUR, UH, TO BE CONSIDERED, UH, FOR THIS HONOR TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
I'VE KNOWN, UH, MAYOR WILLIAMS AND, UH, MR. ZIBO NINE OR 10 YEARS NOW.
UM, BUT ONE THING THAT I'VE ALWAYS APPRECIATED ABOUT 'EM AMONG MANY OTHERS IS THEIR, UH, DESIRE AND THE SEEN BENEFIT IN COOPERATING, UH, TOGETHER WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, UH, AND THE COUNTIES AS A REGION, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE, UH, MANY ISSUES THAT WE FACE THAT ARE NOT JUST UNIQUE TO EACH OF OUR INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITIES.
AND CERTAINLY THE LACK OF GOOD QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, IS ONE OF THEM.
AND OVER THE YEARS I HAD SHARED WITH, UH, MAYOR WILLIAMS THAT, UM, THE CITY OF HARVILLE, JASPER COUNTY, THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND, HAVE ESSENTIALLY BEEN FORECLOSED FROM PARTICIPATING IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM, WHICH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR NEARLY 90% OF THE PRODUCTION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE COM IN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE OF SOME CRITERIA, UH, THAT THE SOUTH CAROLINA HOUSING EMPLOYS FOR ALLOCATING, UH, VERY NECESSARY RESOURCES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND SO, OVER THE YEARS, UH, THE MAYOR AND I HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT.
AND ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, UM, MY COMPANY, BENNETT RANDAL COMPANIES, UM, DETERMINED THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN HARDY BUILT AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY WAS INTERESTED IN, IN WORKING WITH US.
I'D REACHED OUT TO THE MAYOR, UM, UH, CITY MANAGERS IN BORE, UH, MATT DAVIS, AND INVITED THEM OUT TO ONE OF OUR LOCAL DEVELOPMENTS, UH, OVER IN BLUFFTON, IT'S CALLED MAY RIVER VILLAGE.
AND WE TOOK A TOUR AND I, I BELIEVE THAT THEY, THEY LIKED WHAT THEY'VE SEEN, UM, TO TRY TO CORRECT SOME OF THE CRITERIA FOR ALLOCATING THE VALUABLE RESOURCE THAT THE STATE HAS THAT IS ESSENTIAL TO CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UH, WE WORKED WITH SENATOR DAVIS TO HAVE SOME CHANGES MADE TO THOSE SCORING
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CRITERIA, AND INDEED, SOME CRITERIA WERE, WERE CHANGED.UM, IT ALLOWED US TO FILE A COMPETITIVE APPLICATION, UH, AT THE CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND WALL DRIVE, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO BE, UH, A RECIPIENT OF THE RESOURCES.
UH, AND SO I REACHED OUT TO THE MAYOR AND, AND THE CITY MANAGER AND ASKED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE AND THAT ASSISTANCE THAT WOULD HELP US SCORE, UH, BETTER AND PROBABLY BE SUCCESSFUL AS IF THE CITY WOULD CONSIDER, UM, DONATING PARTIAL PLAN FOR AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT MOVES US UP, UH, IN TERMS OF THE STATE AGENCY.
UH, VERY NEAR THE TOP OF THE LIST FOR, UM, RECEIVING AN AWARD OF FEDERAL HOUSING TAX CREDITS.
AND THAT'S A LONGWINDED STORY TO HOW WE GOT WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
BUT, UM, WE THINK THAT WITH SOME, JUST SOME MINOR ADDITIONAL CHANGES AS WELL AS THE DONATION OF THIS PARCEL, THAT THAT WILL ALLOW US TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN OUR APPLICATIONS FOR TAX CREDITS IN FEBRUARY OF 2025.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO ASK YOU ALL HIS HELP TO DO.
AND, UM, I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A LONG MEETING ALREADY, SO I'M GONNA STOP TALKING.
I REALIZE, UH,
HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE A LITTLE QUICKER.
ALRIGHT, SO LOOK, THANKS DAVID.
CAN WE GO ONTO THAT LAST SLIDE PLEASE? SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, NEGOTIATED I, I GUESS, BOTH PARTIES IN GOOD FAITH.
UM, BUT BASICALLY THE CITY WOULD DONATE AND, AND WORK WITH THE, UH, DEVELOPER TO, TO ACCOMMODATE AND FIND DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WE, WE WOULD EXPECT, UH, BASED ON WHAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD COME BACK WITH THE 50 TO 60, UH, MIXED UNIT, UH, TOWNHOUSE, MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, UM, WE WOULD BELIEVE AT LEAST 95% OF THE, UM, UNITS WOULD BE FOR, UH, PEOPLE EARNING 80% OR LESS OF THE, UH, A MI, UM, THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE FOR, WOULD OFFER A NUMBER OF GREAT AMENITIES FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
AND THEN AS PART OF THE PROCESS FOR EACH UNIT THAT'S DEVELOPED, THE CITY WOULD RECEIVE $5,000 TOWARD OUR PUBLIC FACILITIES PROGRAMS FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS AND TRAINING.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF IN A NUTSHELL.
THERE'S, THERE'S MORE OBLIGATIONS AND RESPONSIBILITIES, UH, WITH THE CITY COOPERATING WITH THE DEVELOPER, BUT THAT'S, UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE HIGH LEVEL OVERALL AGREEMENT.
WE HAVE A RESOLUTION WHICH BASICALLY MEMORIALIZES THOSE POINTS.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE COUNCIL APPROVE RESOLUTION 2024 DASH NINE DASH 18 B.
LET'S START THE QUESTIONING WITH MR. MESMAN.
UM, ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE PROJECT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME TYPE OF AVAILABILITY FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.
SOME OF THEM WERE EARNING MORE THAN 80%, BUT I MEAN, IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO DEDICATE JUST THREE OF THE UNITS TO, UH, FIRST RESPONDERS LIKE HILTON HAD THAT THAT YOU WILL REMEMBER.
IT'S HARD TO GET OUR FIRST RESPONDERS TO LIVE IN HILTON HEAD, EVEN HERE, HARDY FOR THE COST OF HOUSING.
AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY THE HIGH SALARIES TO, TO DO THAT.
SO WE REALLY WOULD LIKE, I KNOW I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COUPLE OF THESE UNITS AVAILABLE FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS, BE IT POLICE, FIRE, SOMEBODY IN THAT, THAT, THAT TEXT, THIS IS MY, EXCUSE ME, THIS IS MY WIFE AND MY BUSINESS PARTNER, THERESA BENNETT.
AND SO WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT THE, UM, SALARY LEVELS FOR THOSE PARTICULAR PHYSICIANS.
PARAMEDICS, FIRES, FIRE, UM, DEPARTMENT POLICE OFFICERS, ET CETERA, INCLUDING ENTRY LEVEL TEACHERS, UM, COUNTY.
AND THERE WILL BE SOME, DEPENDING ON THEIR HOUSEHOLD SIZE THAT ACTUALLY WILL, IF THEY'RE, UM, ENTRY LEVEL OR JUST ABOVE ENTRY LEVEL, THERE WILL BE SOME THAT ACTUALLY WILL QUALIFY UNDER THE 80% CAP.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WE WILL, UM, INCORPORATE THOSE PEOPLE WITHIN THE 80% CAP AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER, WHICH WILL GIVE US THOSE APARTMENTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, OR TOWN HOMES, DEPENDING ON THE FAMILY HOUSEHOLD COMPOSITION THAT WILL BE, UM, IF IN FACT THERE ARE SOMEBODY THAT A FAMILY THAT'S ABOVE THAT 80% WOULD FIT INTO THAT SMALL BUFFER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
OUR POLICE OFFICERS HAVE, THEY TAKE THEIR CARS HOME WITH THEM MOST OF THE TIME.
I KNOW FROM PAST MY PAST EXPERIENCES AT LANDLORD, HAVING THAT VEHICLE IN MY PROPERTY SURE MAKES PEOPLE FEEL A LOT SAFER.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON I ASK THIS.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
AND, AND ON MOST OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, UH, WE'VE EITHER HAD, UM,
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A POSITION AVAILABLE FOR THOSE FIRST RESPONDERS, THOSE POLICE OFFICERS TO ON A PART-TIME BASIS, UM, WORK AROUND THE PROPERTY AND BE A COMMUNITY RESOURCE FOR THAT PROPERTY.AND OTHERWISE WE'VE ALWAYS, UM, BEEN VERY MUCH ENGAGED WITH THE PUBLIC SERVICE.
WELL, THAT WAS THE SAME QUESTION THAT I HAD.
UH, GETTING A COUPLE OF UNITS AVAILABLE FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR POLICE, TEACHERS, NURSES, UM, BECAUSE THE MEDIAN SALARY HERE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T OFTEN DECENT AT HOME BECAUSE THEY'RE THE CITY LIMITS.
A LOT OF THEM LIVE IN GEORGIA.
SO, UM, THE MORE WE CAN KEEP ON INCOME, BUT THE BETTER.
UH, I AGREE WITH WHAT VAL AND STEVE HAVE SAID, AND GIVEN THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE NUMBER CLOSER TO 60 THAN IN TERMS OF HOUSING.
SO WE REALLY HAVE SOME OF THESE THINGS BUILT INTO IT.
MR. CARROLL, I WAS THINKING, UM, SAME THING.
UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ONE THAT WAS THE BENEFIT OF THAT.
UM, WHEN I FIRST GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE AND STARTED OUT, I WAS WHAT THEY CALL RESIDENT DEPUTY AND I GOT A 50%, UM, DISCOUNT THING AND ALL UNTIL I GOT ON MY FEET.
SO ALL OF THAT'S KIND OF SYNONYMOUS WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, UM, BUT ANYWAY, I I WAS THINKING THAT TOO.
AND Y'ALL GREAT PLAN AND, UM, YOU AND YOUR BOSS HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB,
I JUST HAVE ONE, ONE QUESTION.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WITH THE MAP? SO JUST SO I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND MY POINTER'S NOT POINTING.
YOU GOT THE, WHERE'S THE, UH, IT'S NOT WORKING EITHER HERE.
I DON'T, MAYBE THE BATTERY DIED.
SO THIS IS THE AREA DONATED BY THE CITY, CORRECT? THAT'S THE CITY ON PARCEL.
CAN I JUST WALK OVER THERE? SURE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO THIS IS OUTLINED IN RED IS WHAT THE CITY CURRENTLY OWNS, RIGHT? THIS PARCEL HERE IS, I'M NOT SURE THE STATUS OF THAT MR. SMORE, WAS THAT DONATED ALREADY OR IS IT IN PROCESS STILL? IT IS IN PROCESS, YES, SIR.
IN PROCESS, THIS IS BEING DONATED TO THE CITY, I BELIEVE, BY FIREFLY INVESTMENTS.
AND THE CITY WILL IN TURN TAKE THAT AND SOME OF THIS ACREAGE IN THIS AREA AND DONATE IT TO OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS, UH, TO ALLOW FOR THIS TO HAPPEN.
AND I KNOW THIS BUTTS UP TO CAR ACRES, THIS AREA OVER HERE AND FIREFLIES IS THIS, DO I UNDERSTAND THIS IS ALL WETLANDS IN HERE? UH, THERE'S A LOT OF WETLANDS IN THAT AREA.
THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN DELINEATED, I BELIEVE.
UH, IS THAT ALL SURROUNDED BY WETLANDS GENERALLY? YES.
THIS IS ALL DELINEATED BY THE US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
AND SO THAT'S THOSE WETLAND
SO WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT BUTTON UP AGAINST THAT FIRE, UH, FLY PROJECT THAT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH HERE.
IT CURRENTLY, I BELIEVE WE HAVE THAT AS A BUFFER.
THE, THE WETLANDS WILL ESSENTIALLY BUFFER US FROM THAT COMMUNITY.
THAT'S, THAT WAS WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR.
UM, I'D LIKE TO NOW INVITE THE PUBLIC TO MAKE ANY
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
COMMENTS OR, UM, ASK ANY QUESTIONS.SEE, WE SHOULD HAVE PUT YOU FIRST AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO SIT THROUGH THAT OTHER THING.
I APOLOGIZE THAT YOU'RE, HE'S GLAD HE'S ON THAT SIDE.
INSTEAD OF THIS, YOU'RE RETIRING TOO.
I APOLOGIZE FOR MAKING YOU WAIT TWO HOURS TO COME TO THIS.
UM, SO SEEING NO PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO RESOLUTION 2024 DASH NINE DASH 18 B.
MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 2024 DASH NINE DASH 18 B.
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COMMENTS, QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.ONE, ONE LAST COMMENT, IF I MAY.
WE, I'VE ASKED ALAN WOLFE HERE FROM COASTAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORP TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
WE INTEND TO TRY TO WORK WITH CCDC, THE ACRONYM FOR COASTAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORP.
AS A MEANS REALLY OF INVOLVING A, A NONPROFIT IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, DELIVERING MORE SERVICES TO THE TENANTS OF OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALAN AND APPRECIATE HIS
I WAS WONDERING WHAT SHE WAS DOING OVER THERE.
[MANAGERS REPORT]
UH, JUST TWO QUICK THINGS.UH, I'M GONNA ASK THE COUNCIL WITH YOUR AVAILABILITY OF, UH, NEXT THURSDAY.
AND I, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME TODAY, BUT IF YOU CAN, UH, FOR A WORKSHOP, IT, IT WAS PROBABLY GONNA BE MORE AN EXTENSIVE WORKSHOP, BUT NOW IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPRESSED.
SO IF, IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE, THE THREE TOPICS THAT WE'LL GO OVER QUICKLY ARE THE PINE ARBOR DRAINAGE STUDY THAT MR. BROWN HAS UNDERTAKEN.
UH, THE REPORT ON THE SPLASH PAD, UM, THAT THE COUNCIL'S ASKED FOR.
AND, UH, JCNU HAS A PROJECT THAT THEY WANTED TO, UH, BRIEFLY PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL.
SO IF THERE'S SOME AVAILABILITY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME RIGHT NOW, BUT I'LL, I'LL EMAIL YOU AND IF THAT'S GOOD, WE'LL SET A TIME PROBABLY IN THE AFTERNOON, MAYBE AN HOUR TO TWO HOURS.
SO IT WON'T BE AN EXTENSIVE, UM, INITIAL.
IT'S GONNA BE MUCH LONGER THAN THAT, BUT IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE A TWO ISH, RIGHT? TWO O'CLOCK.
AND THEN I'LL, I'LL GET BACK WITH EVERYBODY TOMORROW.
AND THEN JUST ONE EDITORIAL COMMENT.
I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS CLASSIC LOCAL GOVERNMENT DEMOCRACY.
THIS IS HOW SAUSAGE IS BEING MADE, UH, YOU KNOW, A THOROUGH EVALUATION OF, OF EACH OF THE ISSUES.
I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS ARE ELECTED AND YOU LOOK AT THOROUGHLY LOOK AT ISSUES AND YOU COME WITH, YOU KNOW, SOLUTIONS AND RESOLUTIONS.
I, I REALLY APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORT AND YOUR TIME AND YOUR DEDICATION TO THE CITY.
LET'S GO REVERSE ALPHABETICAL ORDER AND GO WITH MR. WHITE.
[COUNCIL ISSUES AND CONCERNS]
I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A COUPLE PROJECTS, ATTENDING SOME COMMUNITY THINGS, AND, UH, GOING TO A COUPLE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN INVITED TO BY.AND, UH, AND BASICALLY JUST THINKING ABOUT THE NEXT 18 MONTHS IN TERMS OF PROJECTS WE WANT AND WHERE WE'RE AT AND HOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE THINGS ALONG.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, I'VE JUST BEEN TAKING EASY.
PAT HASN'T BEEN, UH, FEELING TOO WELL.
SO I'VE BEEN UP TO CHARLESTON A COUPLE TIMES AND, UH, AND, UH, PROBABLY BE A COUPLE MORE TIMES IN THE FUTURE.
NOT A MAJOR THING, BUT JUST KIND OF THINGS THAT HAPPENS.
AND, UM, SO NOTHING ELSE FROM MY SIDE, MR. MANN.
UM, CLASSIC GOVERNMENT TONIGHT.
WE'RE ALL VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT WE DO.
UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, EVERY ONE OF US THINKS THAT WE ARE DOING WHAT WE BELIEVE IS A VERY BEST FOR THE RESIDENTS OF HARVILLE.
AND I'M VERY PROUD TO BE PART OF THAT.
WE MUST NEVER FORGET WHY WE WERE ELECTED IS TO REPRESENT THESE PEOPLE.
UM, WE WANT NOT ONLY REPRESENT THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE NOW, THE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING WILL ALSO AFFECT PEOPLE THAT MAY MOVE HERE NEXT YEAR, FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
SO YES, WE DO DEMAND A LOT OUT OF STAFF AND APPLICANTS, BUT THERE'S A VERY GOOD REASON FOR IT.
AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE SHOWN TONIGHT, WE, WE SHOWED THOSE REASONS AND WE, WE CAME TO A CONSENSUS.
UM, IT WASN'T UNANIMOUS, BUT WE ALL AGREE THAT WHAT WE THINK WE'RE DOING IS THE BEST FOR PARTIES.
UM, AND I ECHO WHAT, UH, MR. SAMBO AND MR. MOND JUST SAID.
UM, IT IS NOT SIT, UH, EASY SITTING UP HERE AND, AND TRYING TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT YOU PRAY AND HOPE IT'S GONNA BENEFIT OUR TAXPAYERS IN HERE.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, CONTRARY TO BELIEF OUT THERE, WE ARE WORKING FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TAXPAYERS.
SO THAT IS WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO UP HERE.
SOMETIMES WE ALL DON'T AGREE, SOMETIMES IT'S A SPLIT DECISION, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE ALL DOING WHAT WE WERE SENT UP HERE TO DO.
I WAS SENT UP HERE TO REPRESENT THE FOLKS IN MY CITY, AND, AND THAT'S, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S WHO I WILL BE FIGHTING FOR.
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THAT'S THAT ON THAT.AND ON THE OTHER HAND, UM, I HAD TWO OF MY, ACTUALLY FOUR OF MY NEIGHBORS, UH, THREE OF MY NEIGHBORS TAKE PART IN THE PICKLEBALL, UH, TOURNAMENT IN, UH, THE REC CENTER LAST WEEKEND.
AND, UH, THE MIXED DOUBLES AND THE LADIES DOUBLES, UH, THEY WON GOLD AND SILVER RESPECTIVELY.
AND SO I'M VERY PROUD OF, UH, MY NEIGHBORS WHO WENT AND TOOK IT FOR THIS, UH, FOR THE, UH, COURSE.
UM, ECHO IN WHAT EVERYBODY SAID.
UM, IT IS, IT IS VERY TOUGH SOMETIME UP HERE.
AND, UM, MOST OF Y'ALL KNOW I USED TO BE, UM, THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE HERE FOR A LONG TIME, AND I USED TO ALWAYS SAY, YOU KNOW, TWO PEOPLE COME UP THERE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF Y'ALL WILL BE PROBABLY MAD AT ME WHEN YOU LEAVE.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T PLEASE EVERYBODY.
I'VE GOT TO DO WHAT I THINK IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO IN THIS, UM, PROJECT.
NOW, YOU DON'T SEE THAT VERY OFTEN.
MOST OF THE TIME, MAYOR PROBABLY TELL YOU, 90, 95% OF OUR STUFF'S USUALLY A HUNDRED PERCENT.
BUT, UH, EVERY NOW AND THEN SOMETHING DOES COME UP THAT, THAT WE DISAGREE ON.
AND, UM, WE STUDIED THIS, THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE JUST STUDIED TONIGHT OR TWO WEEKS AGO.
THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING THING FOR, WHAT'D YOU SAY, A COUPLE OF YEARS AT LEAST.
AND ANYWAY, UM, WE HAD TO MAKE SOME TYPE OF DECISION AND, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TONIGHT.
SO, UM, IT CAN BE TOUGH SOMETIME.
AND ALSO LAST AND NOT LEAST BACK UP WHAT VAL JUST SAID.
UM, THANK JEN SO MUCH FOR THE, UM, FUNDRAISER FOR MIKE BENTON LAST WEEK.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE HADN'T HEARD THE RESULTS YET, BUT JEN ALWAYS STEPS UP TO THE PLATE.
I SEE, I SEE JOHN RAISING HIS HAND BACK THERE, MR. CAROL, I DON'T WANT TO BE OUTTA ORDER, BUT I BELIEVE JEN SENT AN EMAIL OVER THE WEEKEND AND IT WAS 36, 30 $800 THAT WAS RAISED FOR THAT.
ANYWAY, MIKE WAS A LONG, LONGTIME, UM, WELL LIFETIME RESIDENT AND LONGTIME, UM, POLICE OFFICER.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, APPRECIATE THAT.
AND THAT'S ALL MR. MAYOR, UH, I'LL, I'LL JUMP IN, UH, WITH THAT.
I, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY IT WAS A GREAT JOB BY PARKS AND REC, BUT WHAT I WANNA POINT OUT IS THAT WAS A BRILLIANT IDEA TO DO A, A PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENT.
IT WAS REALLY A GREAT WAY TO RAISE MONEY AND WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THAT IDEA AND PARKS AND REC, MY KUDOS AND, UM, UH, JEN LOGAN AND, UH, DENISE, WAS IT DEBBIE? UM, THEY, THEY, DEBBIE DID A, THEY DID A GREAT JOB.
UH, THEY DID, THEY DID A WONDERFUL JOB.
UM, THE, UH, NEIL NEEDS ANSWERS FROM EVERYBODY IN THE COUNCIL, WHOEVER WANTS TO GO TO THE STATE OF THE REGION, UH, LUNCHEON.
IT'S, UH, OCTOBER 3RD, UH, THEY JUST ANNOUNCED THE OTHER DAY.
THE KEYNOTE SPEAKER WILL BE JUSTIN POWELL, WHO'S THE, UH, NEWEST, UH, NEW SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION.
UM, THE MIKE I BROUGHT UP LAST TIME, UM, THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX.
UM, WE HAVE BROCHURES TO HAND OUT, UH, SOMEBODY INQUIRING AT SUN CITY TO GET A ROOM SO WE CAN HAVE AN INFORMATION, UH, UM, SEMINAR TO PASS OUT THE STUFF.
WE, SOMEONE FOLLOWING UP ON THAT.
MR. MAYOR, YOU DIDN'T GIMME THE SPECIFICS, SO, I MEAN, WELL, I, I SOMETIME BETWEEN BEFORE OCTOBER 21ST.
SHE, I'LL PUT MISS CINDY ON IT.
BUT YEAH, IF YOU CAN GIVE US THE LOCATIONS, WE WILL, WE WANT GET AT, WE, WE WANT GET MEETING ROOMS. OKAY.
AND I THINK THEY REQUIRE RENTING THEM.
OR IF YOU CAN JUST TELL US WHERE SPECIFICALLY YOU WANT.
WE, WE WILL MAKE SURE IT HAPPENS.
UH, CINDY, LET'S FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
UM, THE, I JUST WANT TO THANK AND CONGRATULATE.
I WENT, UM, TO THE LOW COUNTRY LEGAL VOLUNTEER, UH, LOW COUNTRY BOIL SATURDAY NIGHT.
AND I WANT TO CONGRATULATE JUAN.
HE'S COMING OFF, HE'S SERVED THREE YEARS ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND, UM, HE'LL BE COMING OFF, I THINK IN NOVEMBER.
SO I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE JUAN FOR, AND THANK HIM FOR THE SERVICE TO, TO THAT ORGANIZATION.
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TO, UM, AN EVENT FOR SENATOR TOM DAVIS.UH, THE GOVERNOR WAS THERE AND INVESTED IN NIKKI HALEY.
UM, HAD A BIG TURNOUT OF PEOPLE.
AND I WENT, BECAUSE SENATOR DAVIS HAS BEEN A, A TRUE ADVOCATE FOR THE LOW COUNTRY AND FOR JASPER COUNTY AND THE CITY OF HARVILLE.
I ALSO ASKED AND WENT UP AND MET THE, UH, DR.
SAM WACK, WHO IS THE, UH, INTERIM, UH, SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT.
I JUST WANTED TO MEET HIM, TELL HIM, UH, ABOUT MY SUPPORT, UH, FOR THE SCHOOLS AND, UH, TO WISH THEM WELL.
UH, I PLAN TO START THE YOUTH COUNCIL THIS NEXT WEDNESDAY, THE WEEK FROM TODAY, FIVE O'CLOCK AT THE REC CENTER.
SO, UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME AND MEET THE, UH, NEW CANDIDATES FOR THE YOUTH COUNCIL THIS COMING YEAR, EVERYBODY'S WELCOME.
AND SAM, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I KNOW YOU, THE POLICE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE.
I'M GONNA SERVE LITTLE REFRESHMENTS, MAKE IT INFORMAL SO EVERYBODY GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER A LITTLE BIT.
UM, THE FIRST FRIDAY OF SEPTEMBER WAS, UH, WE HAD MEMORY MATTERS, UH, SPEAK.
AND IT WAS VERY INTERESTING, UM, THAT ORGANIZATION AND WHAT THEY'RE HELPING PEOPLE TO DEAL WITH, UM, SOME ISSUES WITH THEIR MEMORY.
AND, AND SO, UM, THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING AND I BRING THAT UP ALSO.
I JUST REMIND EVERYBODY THAT TEAM STARSHIP HARVILLE, UH, HAS A WEBSITE.
UM, I THINK WE, WE'VE RAISED SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS, UM, ON THAT WEBSITE.
SO I, UH, INVITE EVERYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO JOIN US ON OCTOBER 26TH FOR THAT ALZHEIMER'S WALK THAT'S IN, UM, THAT'S IN, UM, OLD TOWN, UM, IN BLUFFTON.
AND IF YOU CAN'T COME, UH, GO ON TO, UH, THE SITE AND THE WALK FOR ALZHEIMER'S AND DONATE TO THE ORGANIZATION.
WE ARE TEAM STARSHIP HARVILLE.
UM, MIKE, THE OTHER THING, UH, THE, AT THE LAST, SO LOCO MEETING, YOU WEREN'T THERE, BUT, UH, WE ASK EACH JURISDICTION TO NOMINATE A REPRESENTATIVE.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET A SUBCOMMITTEE TO, UH, DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF LITTER IN THE AREA.
SO IF WE COULD, UM, THE NEXT, SO LOCO MEETING IS TUESDAY, SO IF YOU COULD, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE STAFFED IF THERE'S A CITIZEN WHO'S INTERESTED, UH, I'VE, I'VE RECRUITED LYNN BOYLES TO BE PART OF THE, THE, UM, THE, THE, SO SHE'LL BE THE JASPER COUNTY REP.
SO, UM, I'LL, I'LL HAVE THE NAME TO YOU BY FRIDAY.
AND ONE LAST THING, UH, WE ASKED FOR A JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THAT SHOULD BE JUST ABOUT AS MUCH FUN AS WE HAD TONIGHT.
UM, WHERE DO WE STAND WITH THAT? DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE, UH, HAVE WE MADE ANY PROGRESS? WE MADE PROGRESS ON, ON OUR END AND DISCUSSED IT AT PLANNING COMMISSION DAY AND THEN SHORTLY AFTER PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND, UM, MR. SIPPEL AND I ARE CERTAINLY WORKING ON GETTING THAT DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AS WE CAN GET A RESPONSE FROM THE COUNTY.
WE ARE REACHING OUT THIS WEEK.
AND ONE LAST ITEM IN TERMS OF MEETINGS, I ASKED AND SENT A NOTE TO JASPER COUNTY LY AS WELL AS OUR OWN STAFF.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MONTHS AGO I, I ASKED THAT.
UM, THE, THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS, THE CHIEFS, EVERYBODY GET TOGETHER AND REVISIT, HOW'S THE BEST WAY TO DELIVER ESSENTIAL SERVICES TO JASPER COUNTY? HOW DO WE WORK TOGETHER AND DIDN'T OFFER ANY OPINION ON WHAT THAT SHOULD BE.
IT WAS IMMEDIATELY ENDORSED BY THE COUNTY CHAIR MARTY SAS NINE MONTHS AGO, ROUGHLY.
I, I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH OF A SHAME THAT WE CAN'T EVEN HAVE A MEETING BETWEEN THE THREE JURISDICTION THAT THE, THE CHIEFS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S THE BEST THING FOR HOW TO DELIVER SERVICES.
SO ONCE AGAIN, I'LL REMIND YOU, CHIEF, YES, SIR.
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MARTY SAS, YOU KNOW, ENDORSE THE IDEA.UM, SO I, I DON'T SEE WHAT THE HANGUP IS.
SO PLEASE, WOULD YOU TRY AGAIN? YES, SIR.
UH, I'M SURE EVERYBODY WANTS TO STAY A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND DISCUSS SOME MORE THINGS, BUT, UH, IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION.