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MORNING.I'D LIKE TO CALL THE SEPTEMBER MEETING THE HARDY PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER FIRST ORDER
[I. CALL TO ORDER]
OF BUSINESS, UH, INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.[II. INVOCATION & PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
OF THE LONG TERM, UH, HARDY CITIZENS WHO HAVE SHOWED UP FOR THIS MEETING, LORD, AND HELP US TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS TODAY, LORD.PLEASURE SUPPLY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AMERICA.
AND TWO THREE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH WE STAND.
ONE NATION ON OUR HONOR, INDIVISIBLE OF LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
ALRIGHT, BEFORE WE GET GOING, PLEASE EVERYONE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA COMMISSION MEMBERS.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A RECOMMENDED CHANGE TO THE AGENDA? I DO NOT.
[III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
THE AGENDA.UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT,
[IV. PUBLIC COMMENT]
NOT ASSOCIATED WITH NEW BUSINESS, OTHER NEW BUSINESS ON THIS AGENDA, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, WE MOVE TO OLD BUSINESS.DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSION COMMENTS ABOUT THE MEETING MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH?
[V. OLD BUSINESS]
ALL RIGHT.I MADE SOME SUGGESTED CORRECTIONS.
WERE THEY TAKEN CARE OF? YES, THEY HAVE BEEN INCLUDED AS A ADDENDUM TO THE MINUTES.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? SO MOVED.
[A. MINUTES FROM AUGUST 14, 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING]
ALL RIGHT.I'M GONNA ABSTAIN FROM APPROVING 'EM BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE.
WE STILL? OKAY, SO WE GOT FOUR WITH ONE ABSTENTION.
UH, NEW BUSINESS CONSIDERATION
[VI. NEW BUSINESS]
OF A PDD DISTRICT FOR PARCELS KNOWN AS HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST, A PORTION OF THE WEST.[A. CONSIDERATION OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR PARCELS 042-00-06-045, 042-00-06-064, 042-00-06-060, 042-00-06-061 AND 042-00-06-063 TO BE KNOWN AS HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST (A PORTION OF THE WEST ARGENT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT)]
GOOD MORNING.UH, SO THIS IS, YES, THIS IS A PROPOSED NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT CALLED HILTON HEAD LAKES WEST.
IT IS EXISTING UNDER THE, THE WEST ARGENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT RIGHT NOW.
SO IT WILL REMOVE IT FROM THE WEST ARGENT PDD AND MAKE IT ITS OWN UPDATED PDD AND, AND YEAH, I'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE.
SO THIS IS, UM, SO IT'S A BRAND NEW PDD? YES.
UM, IT IS THE WEST, A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WAS APPROVED IN 2005.
ORIGINALLY, UM, CONSISTED OF 5,000 ACRES AND ALLOWED FOR UP TO 9,500 DWELLING UNITS.
THE USES INCLUDED RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE POCKETS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS IS THE PROPO APPROVED CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN HERE.
THE EXISTING WEST AR PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS THIS BLUE RIGHT HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE IT KIND OF WEAVES IN HERE.
SO THIS IS EAST ORIGINS OVER HERE.
YOU'VE GOT I 95 OVER HERE AND 2 78 DOWN HERE.
SO IT CONSISTS OF THE WHOLE BLUE.
CURRENTLY THE PROPOSED CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN, UM, FOR THE NEW HILTON HEAD, LAKES WEST PDD IS SHOWN HERE, UM, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL, UM, CONSERVATION.
AND YOU HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY SITE HERE.
SO AND SO THAT THERE IS AN EXISTING, UH, PROTECTED AREA IN WHAT I CALL THE OLD PDD.
THERE'S YES, YOU HAVE THE CONSERVATION, A PURPLE AREA DOWN IN THERE.
THIS PURPLE AREA IS THE PUBLIC SAFETY SITE.
SO, SO WE HAVE THE ORIGINAL APPROVED MM-HMM
AND WE HAVE THE PROPOSED NEW, UM, THE NEW IS APPROXIMATELY 3,391 ACRES OF THE EXISTING WEST A THAT WILL BE REMOVED FROM WEST A AND MADE INTO A NEW PDD.
UM, AGAIN, PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL WITH OPEN SPACE PUBLIC SAFETY SITE.
AND IT WILL INCLUDE THE 785 ACRES OF CONSERVATION AREA.
THE DENSITY THAT'S PROPOSED IS 4,356 UNITS INCLUDING UP TO 750 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
BUT THE CREATION OF THE NEW PDD DOES NOT RESULT IN INCREASED DENSITY.
IT, THE PROPOSED DENSITY IS REMOVED FROM THE ORIGINAL PDD.
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SO GO BACK ONE SLIDE PLEASE.UM, TO MY RECOLLECTION, THERE ARE NO MULTIFAMILY UNITS AT LEAST APPROVED BY MASTER PLANS IN THAT DISTRICT.
SO THE RIGHT, ANY MASTER PLANS WOULD'VE TO COME BACK THROUGH IT.
MULTIFAMILY ISN'T ALLOWED USE IN THE EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
SO THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY REVIEW PDDS AND DOCUMENTATION AND DOCUMENT TRANSPORTATION RESPONSIBILITIES AND PROJECTS, AS WELL AS INCREASED COLLABORATION BETWEEN CITY STAFF AND S-C-D-O-T ON TRANSPORTATION NEEDS.
THIS APPLICANT HAS WORKED IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY AND S-C-D-O-T TO ADDRESS MITIGATION FOR CURRENT AND FUTURE TRAFFIC CONCERNS RELATED TO 2 78.
UM, ALSO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THEY'RE, UM, REALIGNING THE ROAD, ROAD A, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED, UM, IN COOPERATION WITH THE US 2 78 STUDY AND NEARBY DEVELOPMENTS.
SO THAT WILL BE REALIGNED WITH JOHN SMITH ROAD, THE TIA AND THE, UM, SUPPLEMENTAL TRAFFIC MEMOS THAT WERE PRO PROVIDED WITH THE APPLICATION HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY CITY STAFF, S-C-D-O-T AND A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
UM, WILL CONTINUE TO REVIEW CONNECTIVITY AT TIME OF EACH SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AS WELL.
LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE NATURAL RESOURCES ELEMENT STATE THAT THE OPEN SPACE SHOULD BE A COMPONENT OF EVERY DEVELOPMENT.
THIS APPLICATION PROPOSES THAT EACH MASTER PLAN THAT COMES BEFORE YOU A, IF THIS PDD IS APPROVED, UM, CONTAIN A MINIMUM OF 30% OPEN SPACE WITH A 10% ACTIVE OPEN SPACE.
AGAIN, INITIAL MASTER APPLICATIONS WILL BE SUBMITTED FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT AFTER THIS PDD IS APPROVED.
SO I'VE TRIED TO BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU HERE AND I'LL TRY TO BE AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE, BUT THE CREATION OF THE NEW PDD WOULD INCLUDES IMPROVED COORDINATION OF TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, RELOCATION OF THE FIRE STATION, PUBLIC SAFETY SITE TO BETTER SERVE EXISTING AND FUTURE NEEDS DEVELOPMENT, UM, IS DEFINED AS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL AND REMOVES THE POTENTIAL FOR RV PARKS OR OTHER USES THAT COULD ENCROACH INTO THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
THERE'S AN INCREASE IN OPEN SPACE.
THE ACTIVE OPEN SPACE WOULD INCREASE FROM 8.33% TO 10%.
AND THE CURRENT SETBACKS AND BUFFERS ARE ONLY 10 FEET WITH THE PROPOSED IN THIS, UM, PDD WOULD BE 50 FEET WITH SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR REPLANTING WHERE THE BUFFER IS NOT ADEQUATE ENOUGH.
UM, I THOUGHT I READ 20 FEET IN THERE.
DID I READ THAT WRONG? I, I'M NOT SURE WHICH.
MAYBE I GOT CONFUSED WITH THE OTHER ONE.
UM, THE APPLICATION IS BEING REVIEWED CONCURRENTLY WITH A SEPARATE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS WELL.
UM, AREAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE NEW PDD THAT WILL REMAIN IN THE EXISTING WEST.
PDD INCLUDE HILTON, HEAD LAKES, MAGNOLIA WALK, THE PRESERVE HORIZONS AND THE COMMERCIAL AREAS FRONTING 2 78.
THIS APPLICATION IS HERE FOR YOU TO GIVE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
CITY COUNCIL WILL NEXT HOLD A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THE APPLICATION.
AND THEN THIRD STEP IS CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL.
AND ACTUALLY STEP FOUR SHOULD BE SUBMITTAL OF INITIAL MASTER PLANS.
UM, BUT INITIAL MASTER PLANS WILL COME BEFORE YOU AND AT THIS TIME I WILL BEFORE YOU LEAVE.
I GOT A COUPLE FOR YOU, PLEASE.
UH, SO WITH ROADWAY A, THIS CAME UP A YEAR AGO THIS MONTH IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE POD I MASTER PLAN, AND AT THE TIME IT WAS IN FLUX AND I UNDERSTAND SINCE THEN WE'VE ADDED SOME MEAT TO THE BONES AS TO WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN SHOW US WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO? THE, THE CONCEPT PLAN SHOWS LOCATION RIGHT HERE ON THIS.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE DETAILS OF IT, I WOULD NEED TO TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT THIS TIME.
WHAT, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU BEFORE YOU DO THAT.
YOU SAID THERE IS NO INCREASE IN DENSITY, CORRECT? RIGHT.
AND THE ORIGINAL, UH, LARGER, UM, AREA THAT INCLUDES THE PROPOSED NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
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UNITS.IF THIS GOES THROUGH, THEY WOULD BE AUTHORIZED 4,356 UNITS.
IS THAT A SUBTRACTION FROM THE OTHER? YES.
SO, SO THEY'RE ABOUT 45% OF THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED UNITS ARE TRANSFERRED AND NOT AVAILABLE IN THE ORIGINAL, CORRECT? YES, EXCEPT WHAT'S ORIGINAL.
EXCEPT FOR WHAT'S ALREADY BUILT, WHICH IS, EXCEPT FOR, SO WHAT'S ALREADY BUILT IS, IS PART OF THE 9,500, BUT WITH THE TWO COMBINED WITH WHAT'S BUILT AND WHAT'S PROPOSED FOR THE 4,000, UM, IT WOULD NOT GET TO THAT 9,500 NUMBER.
BUT, BUT, BUT THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE AUTHORIZED FOR 9,500.
WHAT WILL BE THE AUTHOR, THE LEGAL AUTHORIZATION NOW IF THE OTHER 9,500 MINUS THE 4,300 AND WITHOUT RESPECT TO WHAT HAS BEEN BUILT.
WELL, AND THEY WOULD SUBTRACT THE STUFF THAT HAS BEEN BUILT TOO.
BUT BUT SO THE TOTAL NUMBER STILL WILL NOT EXCEED 9,500 UNITS.
OF BOTH PUT TOGETHER BOTH PUT TOGETHER INCLUDING WHAT IS BUILT, CORRECT? YEAH.
IT'S GOING TO BE UNDER JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF YEAH, FOR SURE.
DEVELOPMENT HERE WITH THE WETLANDS AND THE CONSERVATION AREAS AND WHATNOT.
SO WE ALWAYS APPROVE MORE THAN THEY CAN BUILD BY 20%, I THINK.
BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT AUTHORIZING ANY ADDITIONAL.
BUT YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT.
WHERE DO WE OFFICIALLY TAKE THESE 4,356 UNITS OUT OF THE OLD PDD WEST SERGEANT PDD? HOW'S THAT DONE? OKAY, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TRY TO DO THIS AND I MIGHT HAVE TO LEAN ON LAMAR A LITTLE BIT
I'M GONNA SHOW MY AGE AND, AND, AND ORIGINALLY FOR WEST ARGENT.
ONE MASTER PLAN BASICALLY MADE UP WHAT IS NOW HILTON HEAD LAKES UP TO BEYOND, UM, A LITTLE BEYOND MAGNOLIA WALK HAD NO CONSERVATION EASEMENT HAD NO ANY OF THAT.
IT WAS, IT WAS FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS, INCLUDING A TOWN CENTER AND ALL THIS PHASE TWO OF THE MASTER PLAN OF, OF THE WEST SERGEANT MADE UP FOR EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND IT HAD COMMERCIAL, IT HAD MULTIFAMILY, IT HAD RESIDENT, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, HAD A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO MORE TOWN CENTERS, MORE, MORE DIFFERENT ITEMS, VARIOUS SCHOOL SITES, VARIOUS, UM, PARK SITES.
THERE WAS A, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF THINGS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THAT.
IT, IT STATED IN PHASE TWO THAT WITH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, THE OVERALL DENSITY WAS REDUCED TO 6,400 PLUS UNITS.
THAT WAS BEFORE THE CONSERVATION USING UNIT EASEMENT AND ALL OF THAT.
SO YOU'RE ALREADY DOWN TO THAT ABOUT A A, I'D SAY LET'S JUST ROUND IT UP AND SAY 7,000.
YOU'VE ALREADY GOTTEN RID OF 2,500.
SO THIS NOW PUTS ON WHAT WAS PHASE TWO NOW, THAT 43 NUMBER THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, UM, AND THE REMAINDER OF HILTON HEAD LAKES FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES IS BUILT OUT EXCEPT FOR IN THE COMMERCIAL AREAS.
THAT IS LATER TO BE DONE IN MASTER PLAN.
YEAH, BUT I, I, MY QUESTION REALLY IS WHAT HAVE WE AUTHORIZED, IN OTHER WORDS, I I REALIZE THAT AS THEY BUILD, THERE'S LESS LAND AVAILABLE, BUT, BUT WE, THE ORIGINAL AUTHORIZATION FOR 9,500 UNITS AND WHAT WE, WHAT WOULD BE AUTHORIZED IF THIS IS ACCEPTED AND THE COUNCIL ADOPTS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, THE TOTAL AUTHORIZATION IS STILL NOT MORE THAN 9,500.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S EVEN LESS THAN THAT.
60, 19 50 ACCORDING TO 1950 PLUS THE 40, THE 43.
SO THAT'S ALL THAT IS LEGALLY AUTHORIZED.
THEY STILL HAVE SOME OF THOSE TO BUILD.
BUT IN THE 90, IN THAT 19 PLUS THE 43 RIGHT.
SO THAT GIVES US THAT, THAT THAT 64 NUMBER, 65.
APPARENTLY THERE'S, YOU KNOW, BUILDING PERMITS TO ISSUE IN HILTON HAD LAKE, SHE OF COURSE POD ONE, THE PRESERVE AND HORIZONS, YOU KNOW, THOSE MAKE UP IS THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH ONCE WE, RIGHT.
ONCE COUNSEL GETS INTO THE DA, THAT ASSIGNMENT OF RIGHTS AND EVERYTHING, AND THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS VERY SPECIFIC ON HOW THOSE RIGHTS ARE ASSIGNED.
SO IT IS MUCH LESS THAN THAT IN OUR, IN OUR MINDS.
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PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT, PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF OTHER THINGS.SORRY, THE MASTER PLAN APPROVAL FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENTS IS 1950.
THEY'VE ONLY PERMITTED FIVE 50.
SO THERE'S ANOTHER LIKE 1400 TO BUILD IN THE AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO BE CONSIDERED OLD WEST AR AS OPPOSED TO THE PDD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
WELL, I I HOPE I'M NOT BEING TOO TECHNICAL HERE, BUT YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO, YOU SAID A NUMBER AND YOU SAID IN OUR MINDS, I I'M ASKING ABOUT LEGAL AUTHORIZATION.
I, AND I'M, I, PLEASE FORGIVE.
I, I, THAT'S HOW A PLANNER TALKS SOMETIMES.
I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE TALK A LOT ABOUT, ABOUT THOSE, THOSE WHAT YOU SEE ON PAPER VERSUS WHAT YOU HAVE BUILT.
UH, THOSE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE GIVING YOU ARE WHAT'S ON PAPER.
WE, WE SAT DOWN, KATIE AND I, AND FOR, REGARDLESS OF ALL THE ATTORNEYS AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN MILLING OVER THIS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT WE SAT DOWN WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PIPELINE WITH ALL THE DOCUMENTS AND THAT'S WHAT WE CAME UP WITH IT.
AND, AND THAT 64 NUMBER IS, IS A GOOD, GOOD, GOOD NUMBER TO LOOK AT.
BUT IF THEY, IF THEY WERE TO BUILD MORE THAN THAT, THEY'D BE OVER THEIR LEGAL AUTHORIZATION.
IF THEY COULD FIGURE OUT THEY, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BUILD 'EM.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA LET 'EM.
EVERY TIME YOU SAY THIS, I'M JUST NOT SURE OF THE ANSWER.
THE, THE DOCUMENT SAYS THOSE NUMBERS, AND WE DO NOT GO OVER THOSE NUMBERS.
THEY ALSO HAVE TO MEET ALL THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
SO, BUT SO WHAT IS THE NUMBER? UH, I DON'T HAVE IT IS FOR, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TODAY, IS THAT 43 NUMBER.
THE REMAINDER THAT'S ALREADY BEEN MASTER PLANNED IS, IS WHAT'S FOR HILTON HEAD LAKES.
AND THEY WOULDN'T BE AUTHORIZED TO DO ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO MODIFY THE PDD.
WELL, I, I GUESS I, I GUESS IT GOES BACK TO THE, TO MARK'S QUESTION, WHERE WHERE DID THE ORIGINAL ENT PLAN, WHERE DID THEY AGREE TO GIVE UP THIS NUMBER? NO, IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A PRACTICAL LIMIT.
I I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE AUTHORIZED TO DO THIS BY, BY THEY'RE AGREEING TO GIVE UP THIS NUMBER BY THOSE MASTER PLANS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE MM-HMM.
THAT LIMITS THEM TO THOSE NUMBERS AS WELL AS THIS NEW PDD FOR THIS NEW SECTION.
SO, BUT UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THEY WOULD HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO BUILD MORE UNITS IF THEY COULD.
WELL, WHEN, WHERE DID THEY LOSE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY WITH THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT IS COMING ALONG? IS THE IT FORMER DEVELOPER A SIGNATORY TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? IT'S, IT'S THEY YES OR NO? THAT WOULD BE, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY MR. FORM.
I'M ONLY ASKING IF, IF THE OLD DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO THE REDUCTION.
THERE, THERE, EVERYBODY'S A PART AND PARTY TO THIS.
I KNOW YOU, I JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT THERE, WHEN SOMEBODY PURCHASES IT, WHICH IS NEW DEVELOPMENT ENTITY HAS, THERE IS AN ASSIGNMENT OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.
SO THEY GOT ASSIGNED THIS 43 56.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S A REDUCTION FROM THE OTHER, WELL, IT, IT'S JUST AN ASSIGNMENT OF THOSE DENSITY UNITS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY, THERE'S TWO PDDS NOW ESSENTIALLY.
AND WE'RE NOT GOING, NOBODY'S GOING ABOVE.
BUT IT IS A REDUCTION IN, IN THE SENSE THAT IF I HAD 9,500 AND I ASSIGNED 4,300, I NOW HAVE 4,000.
IT'S JUST, I, I DON'T YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST, WE NEED TO KEEP IT IN CONTEXT.
THIS IS JUST PURELY ASSIGNMENT.
WE'RE NOT GOING ABOVE, NOBODY'S PLANNING TO GO ABOVE WHAT WAS OUR ALREADY ENTIRE, I I HAVE A QUESTION.
HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THE 43? WHERE DID THAT COME FROM?
UH, IT'S HOW THESE ORIGINALLY WERE ASSIGNED AND I THINK IT WAS 2.7 TO USE.
AND I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.
THAT SOUNDS, BUT JUST RECALLING FROM THE OTHERS, IT WAS 2.8, TWO POINT.
AGAIN, PLEASE DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT ONE.
BUT THAT'S HOW ALL THESE PDDS DAS REALLY GENERALLY MOST OF THE TIME AND NEW WETLAND AND WETLAND AND LEASE, RIGHT? IT'S ALL BASED ON A NET UPLAND ACREAGE, I THINK IS HOW THIS ONE WAS.
SO THAT'S HOW THAT NUMBER WAS DERIVED.
AND THEN WHEN SOMEBODY BUYS IT, THERE'S AN ASSIGNMENT BASED ON THAT YIELD OR THAT AT UPLAND ACREAGE.
SO THIS CAME ABOUT BECAUSE SOMEONE DECIDED TO PURCHASE HALF OF THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, ESSENTIALLY.
ESSENTIALLY, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE OH 7, 0 8, WELL, OH NINE THE RECESSION.
AND THERE WERE, THERE WERE THINGS THAT TRANSPIRED.
AGAIN, STOP ME IF I, IF I MISQUOTE THIS, BUT I'M GOING BACK INTO HISTORY.
THERE WAS THINGS THAT TRANSPIRED.
NEW OWNERS CAME ALONG, NEW BUYERS BANKS TOOK IT, RECEIVERSHIP, RECEIVERSHIP A LOT OF DETAILS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
THEN NEW OWNERS CAME ALONG WHO WAS PURCHASED
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AND THEN THOSE ASSIGNMENTS, AND THEN THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT ENTITY, UM, LK DEVELOPMENT.SO THIS IS JUST, ISN'T SOMEBODY'S GOODWILL SAYING I'M GONNA REDUCE THE NUMBER OF HOUSES THAT BECAME CO BECAUSE OF FINANCIAL REASONS? IT IS, IT IS.
IT'S, IT'S BEEN A EIGHT FINANCIAL, DEVELOPMENTAL SITE MARKETS, I MEAN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND ALSO PULLING OUT WHAT, UH, AND I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT THEY TOOK OUT WHAT WAS A VERY, A MUCH HIGHER DENSITY TOWN CENTER.
UM, AND, AND SO THAT MADE IT A BIG CHANGE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLANS, IT WAS COVERED WITH LITTLE LOTS, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THAT WAS NOT EXACTLY HOW, HOW THINGS GET DEVELOPED.
SO, BUT, UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF FACTORS THAT PLAYED INTO THAT.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO ALL OF THAT COMMERCIAL AND TOWN CENTER AND ALL OF THAT.
IT'S GONE, IT GOES AWAY WITH THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHAT WE HAD, IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER RESO, EXCUSE ME, LIKE ANY OTHER REZONING WHERE YOU CHANGE THE ZONING FROM SOMETHING ELSE.
IT, IT, THIS RESETS THE, THE STANDARD AND, AND THE OTHER AREAS WHICH ARE ARE GONNA STAY IN WEST URGENT ARE ALREADY MASTER PLANNED.
AND WE HAVE A MAXIMUM NUMBER FOR THEM.
AND THAT'S THE, WHATEVER I SAID 1950 OR SOMETHING.
WHEN I WENT TO COME TO THE PODIUM IN FAR, SORRY, LEMME STOP.
LAMAR, MERCER, THOMAS AND HUTTON ENGINEERING COMPANY HERE REPRESENTING LK DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT ROAD A.
WHICH IS WHAT STARTED THIS, I BELIEVE WHAT STARTED YOU TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE ROOM? I, I BELIEVE SO.
ONE MIGHT HAVE THIS IS THERE, GO THERE.
SO ROAD A IS GENERALLY DEFINED AS WHERE THIS LINE SHOWS TO TIE IN AT THE INTERSECTION WITH, UH, JOHN SMITH AND, UH, HIGHWAY 2 78.
IT WAS ROUTED OVER A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THE WEST ON 2 78.
BUT THROUGH THE ONGOING TIA THAT HAS BEEN PERFORMED BY THE CITY'S CONSULTANT, IT HAS BEEN RELOCATED AND PROPOSED TO, WELL IT RELOCATED AS A PROPOSED LOCATION TO TIE IN AT THE JOHN SMITH INTERSECTION.
UM, WHICH IS, THAT LOCATION IS SUBJECT TO A ONGOING MOU THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY THE CITY AND BEING NEGOTIATED, IT'S A FOUR PARTY AGREEMENT.
SO WHEN WE KIND OF BROACHED THIS A YEAR AGO, YOU COULDN'T GET OFF THE PROPERTY WITHOUT CROSSING SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
THERE, THERE IS, THERE WILL BE SOME COORDINATION RELATED TO, UM, RIGHT AWAY THROUGH OUT PARCELS.
AND SO THAT'S BEEN WORKED OUT.
THERE'S A SCHEDULE AND I I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SEEN IT, BUT STARTING IN APPROXIMATELY, WELL STARTING THIS JANUARY, UH, WE'RE BEGINNING TO, WE'RE WE HAVE THIS PRELIMINARY LAYOUT THAT HAS BEEN, THAT HAS BEEN FORMATTED BASED ON THE, THE NEED TO TIE IN AT JOHN SMITH.
I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO GET A SECOND MEANS OF EGRESS OUT OF THAT.
AND THAT IS PART, AND THAT IS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PDD.
SO THAT'S PART OF, AGAIN, THIS PDD SEPARATING IT FROM THE ORIGINAL ONE MM-HMM.
IT'S JUST A YEAR AGO WHEN WE TALKED POT EYE, IT WAS LIKE WHERE WE WANTED TO GO DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE.
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A NEW ROUTING AND, AND THAT IS, THAT IS ONGOING.
AGAIN, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THERE ARE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE TO RESPECT ALSO.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY ROAD A QUESTIONS? UM, YEAH, I DO.
WHEN DO YOU PLAN ON BUILDING ROAD A MR. TALBOT? WE'RE BEGINNING THE PROCESS OF JANUARY OF, OF ASSESSMENT OF THE WETLAND AREAS AND ANY ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS.
KEEP GOING BACK TO THAT, BUT IS THAT GONNA BE YOUR CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE? NO.
NO, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE SOME TIME BEFORE THAT'S CONSTRUCTED.
THERE'S A SCHEDULE THAT IT TAKES APPROXIMATELY.
SO WE'RE GONNA RUN ALL THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT UP, UP THE BOULEVARD.
NO, WELL THERE'S A QUESTION FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE HOW, I MEAN THAT START, I I I PERSONALLY HAVE SOME SAFETY CONCERNS
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BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE WALKING, YOU HAVE PEOPLE RIDING BIKES, AND YOU'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE IN HILTON HEAD LAKES NOW THAT ARE OUT THERE IN THEIR GOLF CARTS.UM, AND, AND I'M, I'M GONNA TELL YOU I LIVE IN LATITUDE LAKES AND I DEAL WITH THE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS THAT A STOP SIGN IS A SUGGESTION.
AND A SPEED LIMIT TO THE, THE DUMP TRUCKS AND CEMENT, MIXED CEMENT TRUCKS IS A SUGGESTION.
I HAVE A CONCERN FOR SAFETY AND WITH THE BUILDUP OF MAG WALK, YOU'VE GOT FAMILIES UP THERE WITH KIDS AND I, I JUST, I I'M, I'M CONCERNED.
AND, BUT I ALSO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
IF, IF ALL OF THE, THE COMMERCIAL PLANNING IN THE ORIGINAL PDD IS GONE AWAY, I HAVE A CONCERN WITH US TO KEEP BUILDING HOUSES WITH NO COMMERCIAL SUPPORT.
THAT THAT STUFF FRONTING 2 78 STILL STAYS WITH THE OLD PDD AND EVER.
THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
NO, THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL PLAN.
BUT, BUT IT IS, AND IT, LIKE KATIE HAD MENTIONED, THERE'S STILL PLANNED AND AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PD DD THIS COMMERCIAL AREA MIXED USE AREA, WE GOTTA GET AS WELL AND GAS STATIONS TO SUPPORT PEOPLE.
WELL,
SO UNDERSTAND, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, OF SOUTH POINT, I DON'T SEE ANY COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION PLANNED.
MR. SAL, SORRY, THIS IS BRIAN.
OUR PRIMARY PURPOSE FOR THIS AREA IS FOR RESIDENTIAL.
UM, OTHER DEVELOPERS MAY COME IN AND ADD COMMERCIAL AS THE NEED ARISES.
I DO WANNA ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC 'CAUSE IT IS A CONCERN.
UM, WE'RE NOT, THERE'LL BE ADDED CURRENTLY THERE IS TRAFFIC AND THERE'S DUMP TRUCKS GOING UP AND DOWN AND LOCKING TRUCKS,
IT WOULD BE A CONTINUATION OF THAT PROCESS.
BUT WE'VE ALSO OFFERED AN ACCESSORY, A SECONDARY ENTRANCE THAT WE'VE BEEN USING THAT RUNS PARALLEL ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL THAT WE ACTUALLY TOOK MAYOR AND CONGRESS, CONGRESS MEMBER,
I MEAN, BASICALLY WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW THAT WE'RE TAKING EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO HELP PRODUCE.
I I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS TRAFFIC GOING UP AND DOWN THE BOULEVARD NOW, BUT THIS PLAN IS ONE HECK OF A LOT BIGGER THAN WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW AND WHAT YOU'RE CONSTRUCTION OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO AS YOU BUILD, NOT, WE'RE NOT BUILDING 4,000 UNITS AT ONE TIME.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S STILL GONNA CONTINUE.
LIKE IF YOU GO OUT THERE TODAY AND YOU SEE THE TRAFFIC THAT IS GOING TODAY, IT'S THE SAME TRAFFIC BECAUSE AS THE, AS THE HOUSES ARE COMPLETED AND THE DEPOSITS ARE DEVELOPED AND FINISHED, THAT TRAFFIC IS REDUCED.
BUT IT'S JUST PICKED UP FROM THE NEW, THE NEW PODS.
SO IT'S NOT INCREASED TRAFFIC, IT'S JUST PROLONGED TRAFFIC.
ALRIGHT, SO BUILDING ON STEVE'S CONCERN, THAT'S A PRIVATE ROAD.
IT MEANS OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, CANON FOUR SPEED LIMITS AND STOP SIGNS.
SO WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PUT YOUR OWN ENFORCEMENT OUT THERE TO TRY TO SAFEGUARD THE PUBLIC? WE CURRENTLY HAVE A SIGN UP THERE THAT BASICALLY MONITORS THE SPEED LIMIT.
I MEAN, I, I CAN'T, I MEAN, AS FAR AS GIVING PRIVATE AGAIN NOW, CAN'T YOU HIRE PRIVATE SECURITY TO ENFORCE THE RULES? HOW CAN THEY GIVE A TICKET THOUGH? THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S A ROUND ROBIN.
I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THESE TRUCK DRIVERS DON'T CARE.
I MEAN, I'M NOT, WELL I RIDE THERE TOO.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE FUNNY, BUT I, I RIDE MY BICYCLE OUT THERE AND I RUN 'CAUSE I'LL START THE PRO AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE FLYING THERE TOO.
I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S A COMMUNAL SITUATION AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TRYING TO ADDRESS, BUT A TOYOTA CAMRY HAS A HOT SHORTER STOPPING DISTANCE THAN A 10 TON DUMP TRUCK.
I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE IT TAKES A LOG TRUCK TO GET A LOT OF EXTRA SPEED AND I'M NOT, WE'VE GOT ROUNDABOUTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WE TAKE WHATEVER WE CAN, IF WE HAVE AN ISSUE, WE'RE IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE SEE THAT ONE OF OUR TRUCKS ARE DRIVING FAST, THAT'S A PHONE CALL AND IT GETS TAKEN CARE OF IMMEDIATE.
I JUST, I MEAN, I MEAN THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.
SHOULD WE LET LAMAR GO THROUGH HIS SPIEL? OKAY.
I, WELL I REALLY DON'T HAVE ONE BECAUSE KATIE DID A GREAT JOB
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AND TOOK ALL THE THUNDER, SO, ALRIGHT, KEEP GOING.UM, I, I I WAS STILL WAITING FOR THE SCHEDULE ON ROAD A.
ENVIRONMENTAL START, START PLANNING AND THEN JUST, JUST REAL SIMPLE TERMS, JANUARY 25 MM-HMM.
UM, IDENTIFY ANY CONSTRAINTS 20 JANUARY 26TH THROUGH 2028, UH, APPLY FOR, UM, AND OBTAIN A WETLAND PERMIT.
AND THEN 28 TO 30 BEGAN CONSTRUCTION.
ONCE CONSTRUC ONE CONSTRUCTION ACTUALLY STARTED IN POT EYE CONTINUATION CONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT CAN COMPLETION OF ROAD A OCCURS BY 2030.
AND WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN PART OF THAT ROAD, THAT ROAD A HAS ALREADY BEGUN AT THAT T INTERSECTION SOUTH HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND PAVED OR IS ABOUT, AND THE INTENTION IN THE, IN THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY AND THE UNDERSTANDING IS THE CITY WANTS THIS ROAD TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
RIGHT? SO ONCE THIS, AS IT HAS STARTED IS NOT TO STOP, JUST CONTINUE.
BUT KEEP IN MIND, I KNOW, I KNOW EVERYBODY THINKS NOTHING'S HAPPENING, BUT THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF COORDINATION THAT HAS TO OCCUR AGAIN WITH PERMITTING, LOCATION, ACCESS, ALIGNMENT.
THERE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF VARIABLES THAT GO INTO THAT AND THERE'S A LOT OF EFFORT THAT HAS OCCURRED AND WILL CONTINUE TO OCCUR AND WON'T STOP.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT NOTIONALLY 2030 BEFORE ROAD A IS APPROXIMATELY YES, SIR.
FIVE YEARS IT'LL BE DUST AND WE ALL MAY BE OKAY.
I I, I'LL ECHO MY CONCERN FROM THE LAST TIME ABOUT THE TRUCKS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE SCHOOL AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR CHIEF RAUL, WITH THE RELOCATION OF THE FIRE STATION AND THE ACQUISITION IN MARGARITAVILLE, HOW IS THAT RELOCATION GONNA IMPACT THE OVERALL AREA? WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT THE OVERALL AREA WITH IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE STATION THAT'S IN, OR PROPOSED STATION THAT WILL BE IN MARGARITAVILLE FOR THE BEST SERVICE AREA IN THERE.
UM, IF YOU LOOK TO WHERE THE PLANNED FIRE STATION LOCATION INSIDE OF MARGARITAVILLE IS, IT'S ONLY LIKE 1.7 MILES FROM THE EXISTING STATION.
WE'RE MOVING THIS ONE FURTHER UP INTO THE COMMUNITY TO BETTER SERVE THE COMMUNITY, BOTH WITH RESPONSE TIMES AND ISO.
SO ONE STATION BECOMES TOO SPREAD OUT FOR WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE THERE, THERE IS A PUBLIC SAFETY SECTION IN THE CONTRACT, SO YEAH.
SO YOU JUST, THAT'S YOU'RE TAKING THE TOOL.
AND, AND THERE IS ONE IN, IN THE WEST ORIGIN AS WELL.
WE'RE GOING TO EVENTUALLY, WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, WE HAVE THE EXISTING STATION THAT WILL STAY ON BOARD UNTIL THE NEW STATION WILL BE BUILT, AND THAT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE AS NEEDED.
I HAVE SOME HANG ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROOM.
UM, I, I, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND NOT AGREEING TO, BUT WHAT'S BEING SAID AND OUR ABILITY TO ENFORCE WHAT'S BEING SAID.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE, WE'VE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SCHEDULE FOR CONSTRUCTION.
BUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS SAID HERE TODAY, UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING, WE HAVE NO ABILITY TO ENFORCE EITHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS, RIGHT.
SO, SO THE SCHEDULE FOR RA IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT NEGOTIATIONS.
SO THAT WOULD BE WHERE THAT IS ENFORCED.
UM, AS FAR AS THE PRIVATE SECURITY THAT'S OUTSIDE OF ZONING.
UM, SO WE CAN'T REALLY PUT A CONDITION ON A PDD FOR THAT PORTION OF IT.
WELL, YOU, YOU SAY IT'S PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT NEGOTIATION.
IS THERE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT EXISTS IN WRITING THERE? THAT IS WHAT WILL IF, WHEN THIS MOVES FORWARD TO, TO CITY COUNCIL THAT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AND REVIEW? YES.
I I THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS YET.
WE, WE DON'T, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS NOT ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
IT'S ABOUT THE, AND, AND, AND I, AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO SEPARATE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, EVEN BRIANNA AND I ARE SEPARATE FROM THAT, JUST PER THE WAY THAT STATE LAW FUNCTIONS AND EVERYTHING.
SO THEY REALLY TRY TO KEEP THE ZONING IN THE ZONING WORLD AND, UM, MOVE IT FORWARD TO COUNCIL FOR THAT APPROVAL.
HAVING SAID THAT, SO I'M NOT PRIVY TO ALL OF THE DETAILS.
HAVING SAID THAT, I'LL REPEAT THE QUESTION.
IS THERE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN WRITING NOW? THERE'S
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ONE FOR HILTON HEAD LAKE, FOR WEST A YES.AND THEN THE HI HILTON HEAD, LAKES WEST WOULD BE APPROVED WITH THE PDD.
IS THERE A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE NEW AREA IN WRITING NOW? YES, THAT'S, YES, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IT, WHEN THIS GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, IT HAS TO GO WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND DOES THAT EXIST NOW? IT'S NOT APPROVED, BUT THERE'S A DRAFT THAT, WELL, NONE OF IT'S APPROVED.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD MORNING.
UH, MY NAME IS, UH, NICOLE SCOTT.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH MAYNARD NIXON AND I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT, UM, UH, PRIMARILY ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO THIS PROPERTY IS ALREADY UNDER A PD AND ALREADY UNDER AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE PD OBVIOUSLY IS, IS, IS PULL IT, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOME CHANGES TO IT AS IT REGARDS TO JUSTICE THIS PROPERTY.
SIMILARLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THEY'RE WANTING TO AMEND THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH GIVES THEM THE RIGHT TO BUILD ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT THEY'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT.
UM, AND, UH, AMEND IT SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS REGARDING ROAD A, MAKING SURE ROAD A GETS BUILT, PUTTING IN SOME OF STRUCTURE AND SOME, SOME PARAMETERS AROUND THAT.
SO THERE IS, HAS BEEN AN AMENDMENT TO THE DA, UM, SUBMITTED TO THE CITY FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT.
AND, UM, AND THAT WILL GO CONTINUE TO BE DISCUSSED AND NEGOTIATED COMMENTS.
UM, AND WE'LL GO FORWARD TO, UM, UH, THE, THE CITY COUNCIL AS, AS THEY MENTIONED.
UM, SO YES, THERE IS AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THERE'S ALSO A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
IS IT AN AMENDMENT OR IS IT A NEW DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SEPARATE FROM THE, IT'S AN AMENDMENT.
AND, UH, BUT I WILL ONLY APPLY TO THIS PROPERTY.
AND, AND THE, THE OWNER OF THE EQUITABLE RIGHTS FOR THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS A SIGNATORY, UH, THE CURRENT OWNER IS, IS A SIGNATORY.
UM, SO I THINK YOU'RE SAYING IT, IT DOES EXIST IN WRITING.
IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT IT, BUT IT DOES EXIST.
OH, WE'VE SUBMITTED IT TO THE CITY AND WE'RE WAITING FOR THEIR COMMENTS BACK.
BUT YES, AS SOON AS THE CITY STAFF SIGNS OFF ON IT, UM, IT, AND I, IT'LL, IT'LL GO TO COUNCIL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REGULAR SCHEDULE.
BUT DOES IT, DOES IT EXTEND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THAT PERIOD? FOR WHAT PERIOD OF TIME IS IT EXTENDED FOR? I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
DO YOU REMEMBER JACOB? DO YOU REMEMBER? 20 YEARS? I THINK, UH, 20 YEARS.
I BELIEVE IT BASICALLY CATCHES THE, CATCHES US UP BECAUSE THERE WAS A LAG FROM THE ORIGINAL 2028.
IT BASICALLY TAKES THE TIME WHERE THE COMMUNITY OR THE PROJECT IS SITTING,
JUST FOR THAT, JUST FOR THAT SMALLER PARCEL, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TOLD A, A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE, HAVE BEEN AGREED TO THAT ARE, UH, I'LL SAY BENEFICIAL THINGS FOR THE CITY THAT IS, OR THAT WE VIEW AS BENEFICIAL, LARGER, UH, SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, UH, MORE CONSERVATE, MORE RECREATION AND, UH, ACTIVE AND, AND, UH, OTHER KINDS OF OPEN SPACE, THAT SORT OF THING.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S, WHAT HAS THE CITY GIVEN UP? WHAT ARE YOU ASKING TO CHANGE OTHER THAN THE, THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED? SO PRIMARILY THE, THE EXTENSION OF THE TERM, UM, UH, SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO BE VESTED.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITY'S GIVING THIS UP, IT'S ACTUALLY A BENEFIT TO THEM.
SO UNDER THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE OBLIGATION IS ACTUALLY ON THE CITY TO BUILD ROAD A ONCE FUNDING'S, FUNDING'S AVAILABLE.
SO THIS AMENDMENT TO THE DA TAKES THAT RESPONSIBILITY OFF OF THE CITY, UM, AND PUTS IT ENTIRELY ON, ON LK DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER BENEFIT TO THE CITY.
UM, I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO, TO STAFF TO, TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY TAKE ON WHAT THE CITY MAY BE GIVING UP.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GETTING, I THINK THEY'RE GETTING A LOT
AND, AND, AND MR. SYMBO HAS SAYS THAT TO US ALL CONSTANTLY AS WE'RE WORKING ON THIS THINGS.
UM, ONE THING IS, IS TAKE IS WE NEED ROAD A FOR, FOR, FOR 2 78 AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY MOVED THAT INTERSECTION TO JOHN SMITH ROAD BECAUSE IT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR THE WHOLE CORRIDOR.
UM, I AM REALLY PLEASED WITH THE MAINTAINING THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
I KNOW THAT'S A LOT BIGGER THAN JUST A ZONING THING, BUT, UM, AND MAKING SURE
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THAT WE KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE NOW, THAT 95 NUMBER, 9,500 NUMBER WAS, WAS A SCARY AND IT WAS KIND OF IN DIFFERENT PLACES.THIS SIMPLIFIES EVERYTHING AND MAKES THE PROCESSING OF THESE FUTURE APPLICATIONS A LOT MORE SIMPLE.
YOU HAVE SEEN THIS AGREEMENT, I GUESS I, I I SEE PIECES AND PARTS OF IT.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T GET PRIVY TO ALL THAT.
UM, PRESUMING THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN BY GIVE AND TAKE, I MEAN, ALL NEGOTIATIONS ARE A MATTER OF GIVE AND TAKE.
WHAT DID WE GIVE? I, I DON'T HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION 'CAUSE I, I, LIKE, LIKE I SAID, I, I KNOW PIECES AND PARTS, I DON'T KNOW, HAVE TO COME TO THE COUNCIL MEETING.
AS FAR AS ZONING GOES THOUGH, I, I WE'RE GETTING AN UPDATED DOCUMENT WITH BETTER STANDARDS FROM OUR, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, UM, FROM STAFF'S REVIEW BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING THOSE INCREASED BUFFERS.
UM, I KNOW THE, THE 10 FOOT BUFFER THAT EXISTED BEFORE WAS A LITTLE, A LITTLE SCARY IN SOME OF THE, UM, I MPS FOR, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THE LANDSCAPING WAS RIGHT TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
UM, BUT THIS ONE NOT ONLY GIVES US THAT BUFFER, BUT IT ALSO GIVES US LANDSCAPING STANDARDS THAT WE CAN PULL IN AT A LATER TIME IF WE DON'T SEE THAT THE BUFFER IS ADEQUATE ENOUGH WITH THE EXISTING.
UM, SO FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT, I THINK THEY'RE MORE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CURRENT MZDO STANDARDS INSTEAD OF THE 2005 STANDARDS.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED IN THE PD DD UM, DEFAULTS BACK TO THE EXISTING ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS THE FEBRUARY, 2024.
SO YOU HAVE THE MOST CURRENT STANDARDS, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
AND THE, THE, THE THING THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED THAT THE DEVELOPER WANTED WAS A LONGER TERM.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE CURRENT TERM OF THAT? P-D-D-P-D-D DOESN'T HAVE A TERM I THOUGHT, I'M SORRY.
THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, I MEAN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IT'S SEPARATE FROM GIMME ONE SECOND.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT WAS PROBABLY 30 YEARS, MAYBE 35 BASED ON THE BY STATE STATUTE.
IT'S BASED ON THE SIZE OF 'EM.
RIGHT? WELL, I, I, I DON'T, AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN AMENDED, I'M JUST NOT SURE WHEN THAT TERM EXPIRED.
AN EXTENSION, WHICH DOESN'T GIVE US TIME TO FINISH.
'CAUSE AGAIN, WE LOST THE PERIOD FROM 2000 TO ESSENTIALLY NOW.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW.
UM, YOU SAID THAT IF IT ISN'T SPECIFIC IN THE PDD, IT FALLS BACK TO THE OLD ZONING.
THERE'S A HIERARCHY HIERARCHY IN ALL THESE WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS SITS AT THE TOP IN PDD AND IT'S NOT THERE IN ZDA OH FALLS UNDER THIS P UNDER THIS SDO RIGHT? IT'S IN, IT'S IN SECTION CC SIX WITH THE NEW PDD THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THAT MZDO.
IF IT STAYED IN WEST AR IT WOULD FALL UNDER THE OLD MZDO THAT WAS APPROVED WITH IT BACK IN 2000.
SO THIS IS NOT GONNA BE CALLED WEST AR, IT'S NEW.
HEAD LAKES WEST IS GOING, IT'S GONNA FALL UNDER THE FALL UNDER NEW MZDO.
I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE HAS HASHED EVERYTHING OUT.
THAT'S GONE THROUGH MY HEAD ALREADY.
OH, MAYBE WE HAVE, MAYBE WE YOU ALWAYS HAVE MORE.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCEPT OF HOW MUCH OF THE 2,606 ACRES IS UPLAND? IT'S NOT LISTED IN THERE.
TYPICALLY YOU LIST UPLANDS AND, AND WETLANDS AND, AND DOESN'T ALLUDE TO THAT.
UH, IT'S THE LOOK UP THE, UH, DASH.
WHERE'S THE YEAH, ZOOM IN ON ACTUAL, IS IT, IT'S, OH, IT'S AT THE, SORRY, IT'S AT THE TOP OF THE MAP.
RIGHT? DO YOU GUYS HAVE A COPY OF THAT? 21.
UM, THIS IS FOR MY OWN EDUCATION.
WHAT IS A CORPS OF ENGINEER'S 4 0 4 PERMIT.
AND WHAT IS ITS SIGNIFICANCE?
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THROUGH THE, THE CORPS OF ENGINEER THROUGH STATUTES AND ALL THAT STUFF.IT'S THAT, THAT PARTICULAR REQUIREMENT ESTABLISHED THROUGH THE EPA IS CALLED A SECTION 4 0 4 INDIVIDUAL PERMIT.
AND THAT'S ALL IT REALLY, IT IS FOR WETLAND IMPACTS AND IT'S FOR PRESERVATION AND BUFFERING OF REMAINING WETLANDS.
SO WE GO THROUGH THIS WITH EVERY, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM.
IT'S JUST NORMALLY NOT STATED AS SUCH.
IT'S TO CAUSE ME TO QUESTION IT.
BUT THERE'S, IT IS AN EXISTING PERMIT THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE I BELIEVE OH SIX.
THERE'S A COUPLE MODIFICATIONS, BUT SINCE THAT'S IT.
UM, ARE, ARE MANUFACTURED HOMES PERMITTED UNDER THIS PDD? THERE'S NOT NONE.
YOU GOT MO YOU EXCLUDE MOBILE HOMES.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED EITHER.
I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE, IT'S PART OF THAT CD WE WROTE THAT IN.
IF IF IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT AND THE PD DD IS NOT PERMITTED, IT'S, IT IS IN THE, UM, MCDO.
AND THEN EVERY IMP THAT GOES THROUGH ALSO GOES THROUGH THIS WHOLE ENTIRE PROCESS YEAH.
TO BE REVIEWED AND YOU KNOW, SO YOU HAVE MULTIPLE LAYERS OF BEING ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CAUGHT, MAKE SURE IT'S NOT SLIDING UP.
MAKE SURE THAT NO UNITS ARE GETTING ADDED, NO THINGS ARE BEING INCLUDED.
IT'S JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF LAYERS.
UH, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HISTORIC RESOURCES, UH, IN THE POD ONE IMPA YEAR AGO WE IDENTIFIED A CEMETERY AND HOW IT WAS GONNA BE PROTECTED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER HISTORICAL RESOURCES IN THIS AREA IN THIS 2,600 ACRES? THE NEW PART OF WHICH I ASSUME YOU HAVEN'T REALLY EVEN EXPLORED TOO MUCH YET.
HAVE YOU FOUND ANY OTHER HISTORIC RESOURCES REPORT THAT WE INITIALLY GOT? MM-HMM.
UM, WE HAVE ALSO ON OUR IPS YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT WE'VE CALLED OUT PUTTING FENCINGS AROUND IT, MAKING ACCESS POINTS AND MM-HMM.
NOTHING HAS BEEN CALLED OUT SPECIFICALLY.
THERE HAS BEEN A STUDY, NO WORLD WAR II AIRPLANES OR SIR, I DON'T THINK SO.
ADDRESSING YOU THERE ARE, THERE WAS A REPORT PREPARED BY RS WEB AND ASSOCIATES BELIEVE IT WAS 2005 AND FINALIZED AND APPROVED BY SHIPPO IN 2006.
THERE'S A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT THAT MEMORIALIZES THE CONDITIONS AND STIPULATIONS FOR PRESERVATION OF THE CEMETERY.
THAT INCLUDES A 50 FOOT BUFFER AND SOME FENCING AND ACCESS.
AND THERE ARE A FEW OTHER SITES.
I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFICS ON IT.
I WAS LOOKING AT IT LAST NIGHT JUST TO GO BACK THROUGH IT AND UNDERSTAND IT, BUT THERE ARE A FEW.
BUT BY THAT MOA, THERE ARE A PROCESS, WHETHER YOU PRESERVE IT, YOU CAN GO THROUGH A PHASE TWO AND FULLY EXCAVATE IT AND CURATE IT SOMEWHERE.
BUT THAT MOA IS IN PLACE THAT MEMORIALIZES HOW YOU HANDLE THOSE.
SO THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING NEW AS HE BRINGS NEW MASTER PLANS TO IT? NO, SIR.
JUST ADHERE TO IT'S ALL DIVINE, ADHERE TO THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS ALREADY APPROVED, AND WHEN THERE'S APPROVED, WHEN THEY COME THROUGH, THEN THEY'LL BE ADDRESSED AS WE DID IN THE FIRST ONE.
THAT'S ACROSS THE, ACROSS THE CREEK OR ACROSS SWAMP ALL.
SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WERE ANY NATIVE AMERICAN BURIAL SITES OR SLAVE CEMETERIES AS WITH PRIOR CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD RELATED TO HISTORICAL RESOURCES.
SO PEOPLE DON'T GO OUT AND SO PEOPLE DON'T PLUNGER IT.
BUT THERE'S MORE THAN JUST THIS CEMETERY.
THERE, THERE ARE A FEW OTHERS.
I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC NUMBER I REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT IT'S A FEW.
THERE AGAIN, BACK TO THE POINT, THERE'S AN MOA THAT STIPULATES AND CONTROLS HOW THOSE ARE HANDLED AND IT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED AND DOCUMENTED THAT IT HAS.
SO AS WE GO INTO THOSE SECTIONS WITH THE IPS, THEY'LL BE ADDRESSED.
ACKNOWLEDGED QUESTION THAT WAS COVERED.
ANY FOLLOW UP FROM THE COMMISSION? I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS, UH, PD DD CHANGE?
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ALL RIGHT.PLEASE, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM, IDENTIFY YOURSELVES WHERE YOU LIVE, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TALK.
KATHY DECOURSEY, 7 82 TITON HALL ROAD IN, UH, UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY.
I HOPE THAT YOU HAVE ALL RECEIVED MY LETTER AND THE DOCUMENTS ON A RECENT ANDERSON COUNTY, UH, LAWSUIT AGAINST THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR, UM, NOT ASKING THE DEVELOPER ENOUGH TO PROVE THE CEMETERY AND THE, AND BURIALS, UM, THAT BRIAN DAM CEMETERY.
I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE SEVERAL TIMES.
I AM WATCHING IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS PROTECTED IN MY LETTER.
I TOLD YOU THAT THOSE CORNER POSTS OUT THERE WERE PROBABLY PUT IN SOMETIME IN 1959 OR OR LATER.
UM, THE EARLIEST, UH, BURIAL OUT THERE WAS FROM 1880.
WE DO NOT KNOW IF ANY BURIALS EXIST OUTSIDE OF THAT.
AND IT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE THE AREA, THIS WHOLE AREA WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF HARDY V BUT THE CEMETERY WASN'T.
SO I GUESS IT'S A JASPER COUNTY DONUT HOLE.
I AM TRYING TO WORK WITH JASPER COUNTY.
IS IT HOLD IT, IT'S A DONUT HOLE, YES.
SO, UM, WE DO NOT KNOW THE EXTENT.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THROUGH RESEARCH OF THE HORROR TRACK MARGARITAVILLE, THE MORGAN TRACK, UM, THAT THOSE WERE ALL PART OF JA COLEMAN'S HOLDINGS AND IT WAS PART OF A LARGE PLANTATION.
SO THERE COULD BE BURIALS OUTSIDE OF THOSE CORNER POSTS THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
SO I'M CONCERNED WITH US NOT KNOWING TO THE EXTENT OF REALLY THE SIZE OF THAT CEMETERY.
I HAVE REACHED OUT TO AN ARCHEOLOGIST THAT I DO SOME WORK WITH, AND HE, UH, ACCORDING TO THE SIZE OF THAT, IT WOULD BE ABOUT $20,000 TO DO A GPR STUDY TO UNDERSTAND HOW MANY BURIALS ARE OUT THERE.
WE KNOW FROM THE JASPER COUNTY CEMETERY BOOK THAT IN 1996 THERE WAS FOUR HEADSTONES AND AT LEAST 30 INDENTATIONS OF UNKNOWN BURIALS.
SO I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT CEMETERY AND KNOWING EXACTLY HOW MANY ARE OUT THERE.
THERE ARE PROBABLY SLAVE CEMETERIES.
SO WHAT ARE YOU ASKING THAT THE D THAT SOMEBODY DO SOME GROUND PENETRATING RADAR OUT THERE.
WELL, THE DEVELOPER OUTSIDE OF HIS, OUTSIDE OF THE BORDERS OF THE CEMETERY TO DO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO DO GROUND PENETRATING RADAR TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NONE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
SO ANYTHING OUTSIDE THE POSTS IS IN HARDY.
ONLY THE STUFF IN THE POST IS IN JASPER COUNTY.
UH, WELL, YEAH, BRIANNA, SOME HELP.
UM, I'M GONNA DO THE BEST I CAN WITH THIS ONE.
UM, THE PURPOSE OF OUR REQUIRING THE CULTURAL RESOURCES SURVEY AND ALL OF THAT IS FOR EXPERTS IN THIS TO IDENTIFY IT, TO IDENTIFY THESE SITES AND IDENTIFY WHERE THESE ARTIFACTS ARE.
AND THAT'S THE INFORMATION FROM A A, A PLANNING AND ZONING PERSPECTIVE THAT WE GO BY.
SOME OTHER JURISDICTIONS I'M NOT SURE ABOUT.
THE ONES THAT, THAT MS. GARCIA SENT OUT DO NOT REQUIRE THAT WE WE DO.
UM, AND WE HAVE NO MECHANISM IN OUR, IN OUR THING TO REQUIRE THOSE GROUND PENETRATING SURVEYS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE.
WE, WE RELY ON THAT SURVEY THAT WAS DONE BACK IN THE PAST.
THAT'S WHY THE, THE DEVELOPERS HIRE THESE PEOPLE TO, TO FIND THESE THINGS AND, UM, WE KEEP IT ON FILE AS WELL AS SHIPPO AND IT HAS TO HAVE IT APPROVED BY THEM.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE BEST I CAN OFFER YOU ON THAT TOPIC.
AND JUST, JUST TO GO ONE STEP FURTHER RELATED TO THE REQUEST FOR GROUND PENETRATING RADAR, WHEN THIS THIS AREA WAS IDENTIFIED, RS WEAPON ASSOCIATES PERFORM THE ASSESSMENT BASED ON SHIPPO AND STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA STANDARDS.
AND THEY DO IT BASED ON TRANSECTS AND THEY DO IT LIKE EVERY TWO FEET OR WHATEVER THE INTERVAL IS.
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YOU START WIDE AND YOU START NARROWING IT IN AND THEY USE LITTLE RODS AND THEY POKE IN UNTIL THEY IDENTIFY SOME RESISTANCE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE.SO DON'T, DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING FURTHER IS REQUIRED, WHICH IS WHY THEY IDENTIFY AND LIMIT IT DOWN TO WHERE THEY KNOW THE KNOWN RESOURCES ARE.
BUT JUST AS AN EXTRA LEVEL OF PROTECTION TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN OF MAYBE POTENTIALLY EXISTING ONES OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA THAT'S IDENTIFIED A 50 FOOT BUFFER WAS PLACED AROUND THAT SITE ALSO.
SO WHAT IS IN THE POSTS? YOU, THEY WENT 20 FEET OUTSIDE OF THAT JUST TO BE SURE THEY, WOULD THEY GO SOME DISTANCE OUT? I I, MAYBE IT'S 20, I'M NOT SURE.
SO THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE TESTING OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AS THE AREA TO BE RIGHT.
THEY PROTECTED IN THE DEVELOPMENTS, RIGHT.
THEY DO A GENERALIZED AREA AND THEY KNOW THE GENERAL AREA.
AND YOU START AND YOU START DOING THE OKAY.
GROUND TESTING ITSELF TO YOU AND ACTUALLY IDENTIFY ACCURATE IS AC ACCURATELY WHAT THE SIZE OF THAT SHAPE IS, BUT JUST TO ACCOUNT FOR THE POTENTIAL OF SOME AREAS MISSED BASED ON THE TESTING.
INTERVAL BUFFER IS PLACED AROUND IT FOR PRESERVATION ALSO.
AND WE'RE ADDING 50 FEET ON TOP OF THAT.
WELL, THERE'S A 50 FOOT BUFFER AROUND WHAT'S IDENTIFIED AS THE CEMETERY.
THERE'S A 50 FOOT BUFFER AROUND AND BASED ON THE TESTING, THE GROUND TESTING THAT WAS PERFORMED.
SO THE, THE FOUR MARKERS, THAT'S THE CEMETERY AS YOU KNOW IT, THE DONUT HOUSE HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO THAT.
YOU HAVE BE WENT BEYOND THAT BY 50 FOOT.
JUST THERE'S A 50 FOOT BUFFER IN AROUND THE IDENTIFIED THAT OUTSIDE OF THE FOUR MARKER POST.
DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT? MM-HMM.
THE, THE SITE HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF RSS WEBB DID GROUND PENETRATING STUDIES OUTSIDE OF THAT BOUNDARY.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY DID.
AND IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT AFRICAN-AMERICAN ENSLAVED CEMETERIES, THEY DIDN'T USE COFFINS.
SO POKING IS NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA REVEAL ANYTHING.
BUT YOU HAD MADE THE COMMENT THAT YOU HAD SAW INDENTIONS THAT YOU THOUGHT WERE, THEY'RE INSIDE OF THE, ARE THEY INSIDE OF THAT BUFFER ZONE? THEY'RE INSIDE OF THAT BUFFER ZONE.
BUFFER ZONE COVERS THAT AREA ALREADY? YES.
THERE'S, I MEAN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THEY DID ACTUAL GROUND PENETRATING IN THAT BUFFER ZONE TO SHOW THAT THERE ARE NO, NO, UH, FURTHER ANOMALIES IN THAT GROUND.
THEY COMPLIED WITH THE STATE REQUIREMENTS TO IDENTIFY THAT.
SO ANYTHING BEYOND THAT I DON'T BELIEVE IS IN OUR SCOPE TO DISCUSS.
I MEAN, UH, YEAH, IT'S NOT A ZONING ISSUE.
SO, UM, YEAH, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TAKE YOUR CONCERNS TO COUNSEL WHEN THEY MM-HMM.
I LIVE IN, UH, MAGNOLIA WALK IN HILTON HEAD LAKES.
I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF BEING THE LAST TO BUY FROM THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER.
UM, MY MAIN CONCERN IS ROAD A IS AND A LOT OF UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE PDD ARE TWO SEPARATE AGREEMENTS, BUT THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, YOU ALL KNOW, REQUIRED THE ORIGINAL ROAD A BE BUILT WITHIN 10 YEARS, FIVE YEARS.
THE CITY HAD TO BUY THE PROPERTY 10 YEARS THE ROAD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BUILT.
I UNDERSTAND WE HAD TO COLLAPSE IN OH 8, 0 9 WHEN I BOUGHT.
UM, IS THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR PDD GONNA HAVE A TIMELINE REQUIREMENT? I KNOW HE SAID 2030 WE'RE LOOKING TO BE DONE AND DOES EACH, EACH POD BEFORE THEY BUILD ANY HOUSES, IT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THIS PLANNING COMMISSION, CORRECT? YES.
IPS WILL HAVE TO BE PROCESSED LIKE MASTER PLAN.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, UM, ROAD A TYPICALLY IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE DETAILS, BUT TYPICALLY IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THEY HAVE THRESHOLDS AND YOU HAVE TO BUILD CERTAIN THINGS BY SO MANY UNITS BEING BUILT OR BEFORE SO MANY THINGS ARE BEING BUILT, INCLUDING THE FIRE STATION, INCLUDING SOME ROADS, OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO YES, THERE WILL BE REQUIREMENTS, UM, THAT, THAT ARE TO MAKE SURE THAT ENSURE THAT ROAD IS BUILT.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD POT EYE, WHICH IS ALREADY APPROVED AT 450 HOMES.
IS IT INCLUDED IN THIS NEW PDD? YES.
SO WE'RE DOWN TO LIKE 3,900 AND SOME NEW
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HOMES IN THE REMAINING SECTION.POT EYE IS NOT BUILT, SO THEY'RE NO, BUT IT'S A, IT IS PART OF THAT 1,950 THAT'S APPROVED.
IT'S PART OF THE 1950 THAT WAS APPROVED ALREADY.
IT DOESN'T INCREASE PAST THAT.
WHAT WE'RE ASKING, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO LIKE GETTING BACK TO THE NUMBERS AND, YOU KNOW, 6,500 OR $6,300, 600, 300 UNITS.
IT'S INCLUDED IN THAT FULL TOTAL.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT POT VALUE IS NOT GONNA BE SUBTRACTED FROM THE 43, CORRECT? FROM THE 19 SUB SUBJECTED FROM 19, YES.
THIS NEW POD HAS 43 WHATEVER TOTAL POD I IS POD I IS IN THAT IS WITH WEST AR POD I IS GONNA BE IN THE OUT.
THIS, IT'S CLEARLY IN THIS NEW PDD IS IT PART, IS THEIR 450 HOMES PART OF THAT 4,300 IS MY QUESTION? YES.
THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION.
I, I THINK FOR, FOR PLANNING COMMISSION'S PURPOSES AS WELL AS FUTURE FOR COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC'S, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CHART OF EXACTLY WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE.
UM, I THINK WE GET SO INVOLVED IN THE NUMBERS THAT, THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE MAKE IT VERY CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY AND WE'LL HAVE THAT MOST DEFINITELY IF, IF, IF ALL GOES WELL FOR, UM, FIRST READING AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON.
I'M MIKE BOTT LIVE IN HILTON HEAD LAKES MAGNOLIA WALK.
UH, A LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING FOR YOUR PAPERWORK.
WE HAD THE PARK, WE HAD THE PARK ON THERE.
NO, YOU, YOU HAD MAGNOLIA WALK.
I JUST WAS TRYING TO GIVE A GENERAL IT WAS IN THE WRITEUP THOUGH.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? GOOD MORNING.
I'M APRIL COOLER AND A RESIDENT OF THE REDDEN AREA.
UM, WE RECEIVED THE LETTER, UH, CERTIFIED LETTER FOR THIS MEETING YESTERDAY.
UM,
SO MY QUESTIONING COMES TO YOU GUYS.
UM, YOU STATED THAT YOU WERE PLANNING TO, UH, START YOUR DEVELOPMENT PLANS IN JANUARY 1ST QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR.
UM, WHEN ARE YOU PLANNING TO COMMUNICATE ANY OF THAT TO RESIDENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE IMPACTED BY THAT? WE DON'T HAVE A TIMEFRAME FOR THAT AND WE'LL BEGIN, WE'LL BEGIN THE PLANNING STAGES OF THAT.
SO AS SOON AS INFORMATION'S AVAILABLE, UH, WHENEVER IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF COMMUNICATION.
ARE WE TO WAIT UNTIL CARS ARE GOING THROUGH OUR BACKYARD TO KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DEVELOPED THIS
SO APPROVED WITH THE MZDO, WE WERE ASKED TO ADD, UM, PUBLIC NOTIFICATION.
THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE SENT OUT SEVEN DAYS PRIOR TO PLANNING COMMISSION AT A MINIMUM, UM, AND PUT IN THE PAPER AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THE CERTIFIED MAILINGS DID GO OUT PER THE MZDO REQUIREMENTS.
AT THAT TIME, WE ALSO ANNOUNCED THE DATES OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS.
IT'S JUST COINCIDENCE THAT WE ALL RECEIVED IT YESTERDAY.
UM, AND OUR MAIL RUNS AT THREE 30.
SO WE HAD TO GET TO THE POST OFFICE TO SIGN FOR THAT CERTIFIED LETTER YESTERDAY.
AND HOW MANY PEOPLE GOT THEIR LETTER YESTERDAY? DID ANYBODY RECEIVE A LETTER BEFORE YESTERDAY OR BEFORE IN TIME? SO, AND, AND THE, THE LETTERS HAVE TO BY, BY REQUIREMENT.
THEY HAVE TO GO OUT BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH ACTUALLY TAKES PLACE AT CITY COUNCIL.
SO WE ADDED THE SEVEN DAYS PRIOR TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE CAN'T CONTROL THE MAIL SERVICES PACE, BUT WE WERE TRYING, TRYING TO GET NOTICE OUT BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL.
THEY LEFT THAT IN OUR MAILBOX.
AND I THINK IT WAS QUITE SURPRISED TO THOSE VOTES THAT, UH, ANY OF US WERE HERE THIS MORNING.
I WOULD, AND I HEARD SEVERAL COMMENTS AS WE WALKED IN TO RECEIVE THE LETTER YESTERDAY.
THIS MANY PEOPLE TO SHOW UP IS, IS INTERESTING, BUT SURELY NOT.
IF THE LETTERS WENT OUT WHEN THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO AND YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE THEM TILL YESTERDAY, THAT'S NOT THE PLANNING APARTMENT'S FAULT.
I MEAN, I, I LIVE IN MARGARITAVILLE.
I GET MAIL MAYBE TWICE A WEEK BECAUSE IF THEY, IF IF WHOEVER'S DELIVERING, IF WHATEVER'S ON THEIR MIND THAT DAY, IF THEY FEEL LIKE DELIVERING, THEY DO.
SO I WOULD UM, DO YOU HAVE PROOF OF WHEN THESE LETTERS WERE,
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WERE SENT OUT? YES.'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.
AND THEN I THINK MANY OF US WOULD, WE CAN'T, WE WON'T PROVIDE IT RIGHT.
BUT AFTER THE MEETING, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ABSOLUTELY.
AND WHAT I WOULD DO IS I'D GO TO THE POST OFFICE AND RAISE, YOU KNOW WHAT? WELL, IT'S AWFULLY FUNNY THAT WE ALL RECEIVED THESE ON THE 17TH.
OH, IT'S, SO THERE MUST HAVE BEEN SOME TIMING THERE.
WELL, I STILL WOULD BLAME THE POST OFFICE BECAUSE IF, IF, IF, IF WELL SHOULD, IF WHAT? KATIE? WELL, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM SENDING ME MY TAX NOTICE YESTERDAY.
IF THEY, IF WHAT KATIE SAID, IF THEY COMPLIED WITH THE MZDO AND THEY WENT OUT A WEEK AGO AND YOU DIDN'T GET 'EM TILL YESTERDAY, THAT'S NOT THEIR FAULT.
WELL, YOU CAN PROVIDE THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU GUYS SENT IT OUT ON TIME AND THEN I'LL TAKE IT UP TO POST OFFICE.
I MEAN, IT IT'S ABSOLUTELY ALRIGHT.
SO THAT, BUT THE REAL, THE, THE BIGGER ISSUE IS HOW DO WE KEEP THE RED DAM COMMUNITY APPRISED OF THE PROGRESS OF ROAD A AND ALLOW THEM TO CO I ASSUME AMONGST OTHER THINGS YOU'RE GONNA WANNA COMMENT ON THE ROUTING.
IT'S VERY, IF I LOOK AT THE MAP TODAY, IT ACTUALLY GOES RIGHT THROUGH MY BACKYARD.
I, I WOULD SAY THIS, IF, IF THE CITIZENS OF, OF RED DAM ARE NOT INFORMED EARLY ENOUGH, ME, I WILL VOTE EVERY TIME TO POSTPONE TO THE FOLLOWING MONTH UNTIL I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY IS GETTING WHAT THEY NEED.
UM, BECAUSE THIS, THIS IS CONCERNING TO ME.
I CAN ASSURE YOU I MIGHT ADD SOMETHING TO IT.
APRIL'S MY DAUGHTER SO I CAN WALK OVER
WHAT IS THE TOWN OF HAR HARVILLE MAKING A RULING ON THE RED DAM COMMUNITY? THE HOUSES ALONG IN THAT, WHEN IT'S NOT IN THE TOWN, IT'S IN THE COUNTY.
YOU HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER THAT AREA.
SO THIS DEVELOPER OR THIS BOARD SHOULD NOT BE MAKING ANY RULES FOR RED THAT IT'S NOT IN THE TOWN OF HARVILLE.
AND IF THEY DON'T KNOW THAT, THEN THEY NEED TO GO BACK TO SQUARE ONE AND START WITH A DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THIS LADY HERE PLUS A HEART, SHOULD, I RECKON SHE WAS DOING IT, BUT WITH THE ARROW SHE WAS SHOWING THE ENTRANCE, SHOWING Y'ALL WHERE 2 78 ENTRANCE, THAT ARROW WENT 10 MILES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND NOBODY KNOWS YET WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO IN AND WHERE IT'S COMING OUT.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL IN GOOD CONSCIENCE COULD EVEN VOTE ON SUCH A THING AS THIS.
I, I'VE BEEN IN ON THE BOARDS LIKE YOU, I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP AGAINST, BUT THERE'S TOO MANY IFFY THINGS GOING ON HERE.
WELL, THIS IS GONNA BE A PUBLIC ORDER.
THEY JUST NEED TO TIGHTEN UP WHAT THEY GOT AND LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
HOW MANY HOMES? YOU CAN'T TELL ME, JUST DEVELOP A DUCK.
DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOUSES HE'S GOING TO GET IN THERE, HOW MANY MILES OF CURBING IT'S GOING TO TAKE.
HE AIN'T GOING IN IT ABOUT A SEAT OF HIS PANTS.
HE'S GOT THIS FIGURED OUT OR HE'S GOT SOMEBODY IN THE WINGS TO BUY ONCE IT'S DONE.
SO REGARDLESS OF THAT, I HOPE THEY MAKE A BILLION DOLLARS OFF OF IT.
BUT I'M JUST SIMPLY SAYING, DON'T LEAVE THE LITTLE COMMUNITY SETTING THAT HOLE IN THE BAG BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO DO IT THE WAY THEY WANTED TO DO.
WELL, THEY'RE GONNA NEED, AND AGAIN, OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED RIGHT OF WAYS EASEMENTS THROUGH WHATEVER PROPERTY THEY IMPACT.
AND THAT'LL HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT THE PROPER WAY TO GO ABOUT DOING THAT.
AND THEY, THEY, THEY'LL FOLLOW THE LAW TO HIS POINT.
THAT IS IN THE COUNTY, SIR, OUR PROPERTIES ARE IN THE COUNTY, NOT IN THE CITY COUNTY.
HARVILLE HAS NO JURISDICTION ON THAT RIBBON.
THE HOUSES, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF Y'ALL HAVE BEEN IN THE RED DAMN AREA.
BUT IT'S A RIBBON IN THE HOUSES THAT RUNS ALONG THERE.
AND THE TOWN, THE TOWN'S GOT THE PARK OVER ON THIS SIDE AND THE TOWN'S GOT THE, UH, PROPERTY YOU LOOK LOOKING AT NOW BEHIND IT.
BUT THAT RIBBON IN THE HOUSES GOES THROUGH THERE AND GOES OUT THE OTHER SIDE IS COUNTY HAS NEVER BEEN AN EXTENDED TO TOWN.
OKAY, BRIANNA? UM, UH, WE DO HAVE THE INFORMATION, I HAVE IT ON OUR, UM, THROUGH OUR EMAILS AND OUR PHONES OF, OF THE CERTIFIED LETTERS.
AND THEY WERE STATED ON THE 10TH IS WHEN WE, WHERE EVERYTHING WAS SENT OUT BY, UM, THE APPLICANT AND THE REPRESENTATIVES.
AND WE, WE MADE SURE WITH ALL THAT SENT OUT, CERTIFIED ON THE CHAIR MAKE, I'LL BE, WE'LL TAKE IT UP WITH THE POST OFFICE.
I I'LL BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU ANY MORE INFORMATION.
I CAN'T, THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT.
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OF OUR WORDSBUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE HERE, OBVIOUSLY YOU SEE THIS AUDITORIUMS FULL OF PEOPLE, OF PEOPLE THAT'S GOT PROPERTY EXAM GOT DIFFERENT ONE, ME INCLUDED, GOT ABOUT FOUR GENERATIONS OUT THERE.
SO WE WE'RE, AND WHEN I, NO, LET ME FINISH BECAUSE I KNOW YOU NEED TO HEAR THIS FROM THE PUBLIC.
JUST YOU CAN'T LET SOMEBODY COME IN TOWN AND JUST WRITE THE RULES AND SAY, HEY, LET'S BROAD STROKE IT AND GET I'M RUNNING.
THEY SENT OUT PAPERS SAYING THAT THEY WAS COMING RUN THROUGH PEOPLE'S HOUSES IN THE YARD.
NOW, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE LEGAL SYSTEM ENOUGH TO KNOW CAN'T DO OUT, PUT ALL THE FIGHT.
BUT THIS BOARD CAN AVOID A LOT OF THAT FIGHTING BY SAYING, HEY, HOW ARE YOU DOING THIS? WE CAN'T GIVE YOU AN APPROVAL IN THE COUNTY.
WE SO, SO WHERE, WHERE IS THE CITY IMPACTING YOUR PROPERTY? THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY QUESTION.
WHERE DOES THE CITY IMPACT MY, WHERE DOES IT, WHERE DOES ROAD A IMPACT YOUR, YOUR YOUR PROPERTY? THAT'S TWO SECTIONS OF BACK.
IT'S RIGHT HERE ON THIS CORNER HERE.
AND SO NO IS ACTUALLY CUTTING THROUGH.
THIS IS MY HOUSE RIGHT HERE ON THE CORNER.
THIS IS SANTI COOPER POWER LINE COMING HERE.
THE OTHER PEOPLE AT THE BACK, THEIR HOUSES IS RIGHT HERE.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY MY MOTHER'S HOUSE HERE AND MY AUNT'S HOUSE HERE.
SO ROAD A WOULD BE CUTTING THROUGH THEIR BACKYARD AND THROUGH THE FRONT YARD OF MY GRANDDAD AND MY UNCLE.
NOW WHY WOULD WE NOT INFORMED THIS BEFORE TODAY? IF THEY'RE PREPARED TO COME THROUGH OUR PROPERTY? I WOULD THINK WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ADVANCE BEFORE YESTERDAY.
THEY NEED, THEY NEED TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
THEY HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T DECIDED TOTALLY ON THAT ROAD YET.
BUT THEY'RE SENDING OUT LETTER ONE QUESTION, WHAT HE JUST SAID.
IS THAT TRUE WHAT HE JUST STATED? THERE IS A SECTION IN THE MIDDLE THAT WE DO KNOW THAT IT'S JUST POWER PROPERTY.
AND THEN ALSO YOUR PROPERTY IS TOUCHING RED DAMN ROAD HERE.
WHY WOULD YOU NOT TIE IN HERE AND IT WOULD GIVE PEOPLE THE OPTION TO COME AROUND ON FRONTAGE ROAD OR COME THROUGH RED DAM AND STILL TAKING PEOPLE'S PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN IN OUR FAMILY FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS.
I CAN AN I CAN, I CAN, I THINK I CAN AN, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT.
I THINK I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
WE DON'T WANT HEAVY TRAFFIC GOING UP FRONTAGE ROAD INTERFERING WITH THE HOSPITAL.
YOU GOT A SCHOOL THERE AND A BUTTERFLY APPROVED THERE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WELL I WOULD, I WANNA PUT THEM ON THE FRONT ROAD, DUMP THEM IN THE, WELL IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, SIR.
THE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH RIGHT THERE AT HELP HEAD LAKES.
WE'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH THE SAME THING.
I'LL ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT.
WE GOT TOO MANY PEOPLE TALKING ONE AT A TIME, ONE PERSON AT A TIME.
WE HEAR YOUR CONCERNS AND THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME COORDINATION REQUIRED BETWEEN WHAT THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO DO.
AND YOU GUYS, IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR SCOPE AS YOU'VE SAID ABOUT THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SAID THAT, THAT THERE HAS TO BE A ROAD, HOW THEY GET IT THERE.
THEY CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOUR BUY-IN.
THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE, I KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THAT'LL BE TURNED OVER TO AS A PUBLIC ROAD AT SOME POINT.
BUT LET ME SAY THIS AND I'LL SIT DOWN HERE.
I'VE BEEN OUT THERE FOR 50 SOME YEARS.
OKAY? AND I'M TELLING YOU, WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED TO DEVELOP THAT PIECE OF PROFIT FIRST, THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER, THEY WERE GONNA PUT A ROAD IN THERE, BUT THAT ROAD WAS COMING OUT DOWN BY THE LAKES DOWN THERE.
AND WHERE THEY COULD SERVICE THE SCHOOLS AND EVERYTHING.
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING IT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS HOUSE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE IT FROM THAT.
I, I CERTAINLY, UM, UNDERSTAND, UH, UM, I I WAS MENTIONED THAT, THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T CARE.
WE MOST CERTAINLY CARE ABOUT EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY AND EVERYBODY'S, UM, THAT ROAD HAS BEEN IN THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, MANY PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT.
UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE YOU INFORMATION ON ROAD A AS IT'S COMING ALONG AND AS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND ALL OF THAT PORTRAYS.
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ABOUT THAT TODAY BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY OF HARDY.BUT THAT'S GONNA BE HANDLED AS WE GET MOVED THROUGH COUNCIL.
I'M HAPPY TO HELP AND GIVE ANY INFORMATION THAT WE CAN AND, AND ASSURE EVERYBODY, NOBODY'S GONNA TAKE ANYONE'S PROPERTY.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
UM, AND UM, HAPPY TO, I JUST WANNA FOCUS A LITTLE BIT BACK ON THE ZONING AND IF WE NEED TO PROVIDE YOU MORE INFORMATION OR GET YOU OTHER THINGS, WE MOST CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT.
IF THIS WAS APPROVED THOUGH AS LEFT AND RIGHT OF THEIR PROPERTIES, HOW DOES THAT DECISION THEN AFFECT A FUTURE DECISION THAT COULD BE MADE FOR THEIR BENEFIT OR WITHOUT, IF THIS HOUSE IS GOING, IF THIS ROAD WAS GOING RIGHT IN FRONT OF, WE'RE NOT APPROVING EXACTLY WHERE THAT ROAD IS.
WE'RE PRO APPROVING WHERE IT'S COMING OUT OF PROPERTY THAT IS IN THE CITY OF HARVILLE.
BUT IF IT WAS, IF THAT WAS APPROVED TODAY MM-HMM.
CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS WELL AS THE, THE ZONING.
AND UM, THEY HAVE WORKSHOPS, TYPICALLY THEY HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS.
UM, AND THAT GETS WORKED OUT AT, AT THAT LEVEL THROUGH THAT.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE ROAD THAT THEY IN PROTEST OF COULD BE CHANGED ABSOLUTELY.
BUT IF THIS WAS APPROVED TODAY, WOULD THAT IMPEDE HOW THAT WOULD NO.
WOULD IT TAKE OPTIONS AWAY? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT, SIR.
UH, AND I'M, I'M GONNA LOOK AT THE ENGINEER FOR THAT CODE.
AND I COULD JUST ADD ONTO THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS PATH RIGHT THERE IS JUST CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE RIGHT NOW.
UM, LAMAR MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE STUDIES WOULD START AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
PART OF THOSE STUDIES IS DETERMINING WHAT'S OUT THERE ON THE GROUND AND WHAT THE BEST PATH FORWARD IS.
SO WE OBVIOUSLY NEED TO SHOW CONNECTION THROUGH THE PRO, THROUGH THE UNINCORPORATED AREA.
'CAUSE WHERE WE ARE REQUIRED TO BUILD IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 2 78.
BUT THE EXACT LOCATION OF WHERE THAT ROAD IS GOING TO BE IN THAT UNINCORPORATED AREA IS STILL VERY MUCH, UM, TO BE YET TO BE DETERMINED.
AND, UM, WELL IS A PUBLIC PROCESS IN, IN THAT HAPPENING.
SO WE CAN'T SAY TODAY THAT THAT ROAD WILL BE EXACTLY THERE AS IT IS NOW.
SO THAT WILL BE A STATE ROAD WHEN IT LEAVES THE HILTON HEAD LAKES PROPERTY.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A PRIVATE ROAD DOWN TO JOHN SMITH.
IT'LL ACTUALLY BE DEDICATED TO THIS.
CITY IT BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY.
AND, AND, AND, AND LOOK, WE'RE COGNIZANT OF THE ISSUES RIGHT.
SO THIS IS, THIS WAS A CONCEPT.
THERE'S A LOT OF FURTHER IN DEPTH STUDY NEEDS TO OCCUR TO FINALIZE AROUND APPARENTLY A LOT OF COMMUNICATION REPORT AND A LOT OF, AND IT'S JUST, IT ISN'T YES.
A LOT OF COMMUNICATION NEEDS TO OCCUR
UM, BUT THIS WILL IMPROVE RED DAMN ROAD BECAUSE THAT IS EVENTUALLY GETS BACK ON THAT ALIGNMENT.
SO WHAT IS A, IT'S PROBABLY AN ISSUE WITH SOME OF THE CONDITIONS OF ROADWAY WILL ULTIMATELY GET IMPROVED ALSO ALL THE WAY OUT TO 2 78.
WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT HMM.
ROAD RED DAM, RICHARD FLIPPA, 18 GUARD ROAD DRIVE, NORTH MAGNOLIA WALK.
THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WITH ALL OF THESE EXTRA HOUSES BEING BUILT, HAS ANYONE GOT A HOLD OF BUFORT, JASPER, UH, WATER AND THE POWER COMPANIES TO SEE HOW MUCH MORE OUR RATES ARE GOING TO GO UP THE FUND? HOW MUCH MORE THEY GOTTA EXPAND THEIR, UH, FACILITIES.
THAT WOULD BE THROUGH THE STATE.
AND IT'S GONNA AFFECT MY RATES AS WELL AS YOURS.
WELL, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHERE I LIVE ARE RETIRED.
WELL, YOU KNOW, IF THEY JACK YOUR DOUBLE YOUR RATES, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A THING ON THE NEWS ABOUT, AND IT'S GEORGIA FOR THEIR WATER THING, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO ADD 50 MILLION.
BUT, BUT WE CAN'T, YEAH, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S A, THE STATE PUBLIC UTILITIES OR WHATEVER THE, THE SOUTH CAROLINA'S VERSION OF THAT IS DETERMINES RATES, NOT US.
THAT IS, THAT IS A, THAT IS AN ACCURATE STATEMENT.
AND WE HAVE BEEN IN COORDINATION WITH THE WATER AND SEWER AUTHORITY.
AND THE POWER COMPANY, DUSTIN TOTEN.
UH, SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE, SO THEY'RE TRYING TO GET APPROVED FOR ALL THIS COMMUNITY BUILT BACK THERE ON THE PARTIAL, IF YOU COME IN, ANYBODY KNOWS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING IN TO BUILD A SUBDIVISION OR ANY KIND OF COMMUNITY, THE ROAD SHOULD BE APPROVED FIRST BEFORE YOU GO BACK THERE AND START DEVELOPMENT.
SO THEN THAT CASE, WHY WOULD ROAD A NOT ALREADY BE EXACTLY PLOTTED OUT WHERE IT SHOULD BE BEFORE YOU GET APPROVAL ON DEVELOPING? BECAUSE AS YOU JUST SAID, IF YOU GO AHEAD AND GET THE APPROVAL ON DEVELOPMENT, YOU
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DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE ROAD EIGHT IS GOING TO END UP.SO THAT LEAVES EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY JUST WAITING FOR Y'ALL TO COME THROUGH AND SAY, WELL, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND RUN IT THROUGH THIS PROPERTY OR ANY EASEMENT THAT YOU WANT.
I WOULD THINK THAT Y'ALL NEED TO GO AHEAD AND GET ROAD A SITUATED BEFORE YOU GET THE APPROVAL ON THE PARCEL BACK THERE TO BUILD HOUSES.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST LIKE BUILDING A HOUSE.
YOU CAN'T BUILD A HOUSE WITHOUT STARTING WITH THE FOUNDATION.
AND YOU CAN'T BUILD A SUBDIVISION WITHOUT STARTING WITH ACCESS BECAUSE IF NOT, THEN IT'S GONNA PUSH EVERYTHING BACK TO YOU AND DUMP TRUCKS AND LOG TRUCKS AND ALL KIND OF WORKERS GOING THROUGH THERE.
AND THEN, SO WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE ROAD A IS GONNA BE SO IT DOESN'T BACK UP ON EVERYBODY LIVING IN TRADITIONS.
AND THEN ALSO ON US HERE, I'LL NOT RESPOND.
THIS DOESN'T ACTUALLY APPROVE THE INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENTS.
AGAIN, ALL THE INITIAL MASTER PLANS HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THIS PUTS THE ZONING IN PLACE TO ALLOW FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USES AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY SITE AND THE PLACEMENT OF THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
NO, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T ADDRESS, IT DOESN'T ADDRESS HIS ISSUE OF, I GOT ONE OTHER THING.
SAY YOU HAVEN'T BEEN RECOGNIZED.
IT DOESN'T ADDRESS WHERE THE ROAD'S GONNA GO, HOW IT'S GONNA IMPACT CITIZENS OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA.
AND I, I WOULD SAY, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH 'EM THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER THEY ROUTE IT, THERE'S LAND TO BE BOUGHT, EASEMENTS TO BE AGREED TO.
AND IT'S A PROCESS AND IT ISN'T DEFINED TODAY.
AND I QUESTION WHETHER WE SHOULD HOLD OFF APPROVAL OF THIS UNTIL THERE'S BETTER DEFINITION OF IT AND BUY-IN FROM THIS COMMUNITY AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S IMPACTED OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPER'S PROPERTY.
SO CAN I SPEAK, I, THE REASON I SAID IF THIS IS, WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE I'M THE DEVELOPER AND WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S FAMILY KIDS, THERE'S KIDS OUR ONE AT A TIME.
I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW.
WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S HOUSES THERE.
WE'VE TAKEN A YEAR TO GET TO THIS POINT JUST TO BE ABLE TO SIT UP HERE AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE'VE ASKED FOR THAT ROAD TO BE REDIRECTED SEVERAL TIMES.
THIS IS WHAT HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE THE BEST ROUTE TO DATE.
IT DOES NOT MEAN IT WILL NOT MOVE A LITTLE BIT LEFT AND RIGHT, BE ABLE TO AVOID HOUSES BACKYARDS, SO FORTH AND SO ON.
IT'S ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THERE'S A SECTION IN JASPER COUNTY THAT THIS COMMITTEE IS NOT ADDRESSING.
WE HAVE A SECTION WHERE THE THE YELLOW STOPS AND THAT, WHERE THE GREEN STARTS PRETTY MUCH ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE.
WHAT THIS ALSO DOES IS RED DAM, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IN THE GREATEST SHAPE.
IT'S GOT POTHOLES AND IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S A LITTLE ROUGH.
YOU KNOW WHY, WHY DON'T YOU TELL THE BOARD WHY, BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR DUMP TRUCK BACK THERE DIGGING AND THEN THOSE PITS JUST TORE UP THE ROAD.
THAT'S WHAT I, I STOOD UP HERE TO TELL YOU.
IF YOU CHECK IF YOU'LL CHECK THE RECORDS, THAT IS A FARM ROAD AND FOR DEVELOPERS DON'T KNOW, FARM ROADS IS NOT MEANT FOR DUMP TRUCKS.
SO IF YOU WANT TO CHECK WITH THE ESCAPE, WHICH I WILL, YOU BELIEVE THAT? YES, SIR.
AND IT IS TORE UP GOING TO RED DAMN CHURCH AND IT'S TORE UP BECAUSE OF THE DUMP TRUCK GOING AND COMING OUT OF THERE WHERE Y'ALL BEEN DIGGING NOW.
SO DON'T COME HERE AND TELL THIS MORE THAT I LIVE.
WELL, THEY HAD TO BUILD A SCHOOL TOO, SO WHEN THEY BUILT THE SCHOOL, THEY HAD DUMP TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING GO THROUGH THERE.
SO ANYWAY, THE LONG THE POINT IS THAT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE THE ROAD.
THIS WHAT THIS DOES, AND ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FAMILIES THAT ARE THERE.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE AS WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, IT BECOMES MORE OF A DISCUSSION.
THESE WENT OUT ON THE 10TH BECAUSE THAT WAS WHEN WE WERE SAYING, OKAY, YOU CAN RELEASE THE INFORMATION AND LET THE CITY KNOW, BECAUSE THAT ROAD HAS MOVED OVER THE LAST YEAR PROBABLY AT LEAST FOUR TIMES.
SIR, YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT WAS IN THE ACCOUNT.
YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS IN THE ACCOUNT UNTIL I TOOK, ALL RIGHT.
THIS DISCUSSION ON ROAD A IS OVER.
I WILL SAY THAT IF WE DO NOT ADDRESS THIS NOW, THEY ARE EXTREMELY LIMITED ON OPTIONS AND THEY'LL, AND IF WE APPROVE THIS, THERE WILL BE NO INCENTIVE FOR THE BUILDER TO MAKE ANY CONCESSIONS TO MAKE THIS WORK OUT.
AND SINCE THAT IS THE CASE, I I THINK, YOU KNOW WHERE MY VOTE IS ABOUT TO GO ALL, SO YEAH, I DO WANT TO, I JUST MAKE ONE POINT, SORRY.
I MEANT THE, TO THE POINT THAT WAS RAISED EARLIER ABOUT DEFINING THE ROAD, THERE
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IS ACCESS TO THIS COMMUNITY ALREADY.AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ABSOLUTELY NAIL DOWN THE LOCATION OF ROAD A, WE KNOW IT'S THERE.
IT, IT WILL BE STUDIED FURTHER, BUT ACCESS IS ALREADY PROVIDED.
WELL, AS SOON AS WE SEE IT WHERE I CAN UNDERSTAND IT AND I CAN GET ON BOARD WITH IT, I'LL APPROVE IT.
JEFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? NO, NOT AT THIS POINT.
JEFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS THEN AT THIS POINT IN TIME? I THINK, UM, IF WE MAKE A MOTION, IT'S TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THAT ROAD IS DEFINED AND REVIEWED WITH THOSE WHO WILL BE IMPACTED OUTSIDE OF THE HILTON HEAD LAKES COMMUNITY.
THERE, UM, I THINK THERE ARE TWO CONCERNS.
UM, I HAVE ONE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE UNDER A TIME CONSTRAINT BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T RECOMMEND IT IN A TIMELY MANNER, IT BECOMES DEEMED APPROVED.
IT'S, IT'S ONCE YOU TAKE ACTION ON IT AND THERE'S 45 DAYS FOR IT TO BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL.
BUT YOU'RE BUT YOU'RE SAYING WE COULD, YOU CAN TABLE IT, POSTPONE IT FOREVER.
WELL, WELL WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? NEED TO, YOU NEED TO, IF IF, IF I, I'M GONNA SAY, IF THE BEST THING FOR YOU TO DO, IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING TABLING IT IS TABLE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN.
UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO IN THIS FORUM, BUT I THINK IT'S CLEANEST AND EVERYTHING FOR YOU TO DO THAT.
THEY KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO BRING BACK TO YOU AND THEY CAN HAVE THEIR PUBLIC MEETING, UM, AND THAT TYPE OF OF THING.
I THINK THAT DATE CERTAIN IS THE BEST THING.
WELL, I, I, I GUESS I, I'LL ASK YOU TO LOOK INTO AND REASSURE US AT SOME POINT, NOT, NOT TODAY, THAT, THAT WE ARE NOT UNDER ANY TIME CONSTRAINT.
I MEAN WE HAVE THAT 45 DAY, SORRY.
NO, BUT ANYWAY, 45 DAYS IS NOT UNTIL YOU TAKE ACTION.
NO MATTER WHAT WE DO TODAY FROM THIS DAY FORWARD, WE HAVE 45 DAYS.
UNLESS IF YOU VOTE TO TABLE IT, YOU HAVE LONGER.
IF YOU VOTE TO, THAT'S NOT TAKING ACTION, APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE.
SORRY, NOT, NOT TO DISAGREE WITH BRIANNA.
AND, UM, BUT IN THE INTEREST OF FULL DISCLOSURE, I BELIEVE STATE LAW SAYS THAT YOU HAVE 30 DAYS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND IF YOU DO NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, IT'S DEEMED APPROVED.
LET LEMME JUST, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD.
WELL, I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.
I, UH, WE HAVE, HAVE DONE OUTSIDE OF 30 DAYS WITH THEM VOTING TO TABLE.
UM, I I, I DON'T WANNA DISAGREE EITHER, BUT, UM, WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT IF YOU VOTE TO TABLE SOMETHING, WE HAVE THAT ABILITY TO, TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO FLUSH OUT MORE DETAILS ON ROAD A AFTER IT LEAVES THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THE FOLKS THAT WILL ARE ASSUMED TO BE IMPACTED.
AND I JUST, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRESUMPTUOUS OF US JUST TO SAY IN GOOD FAITH THAT THEY'LL DO IT.
WHAT I WAS JUST STARTING TO SAY HERE, THOUGH, IS IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE, IF THE DEVELOPER AGREES, WE COULD TABLE IT AND BILL, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO AGREE.
WELL DEVELOP, IF THE DEVELOPER WERE TO AGREE AND WAIVE THEIR DEEMING RIGHTS, IF THEY, IF THEY, IF THEY WERE TO, UM, AGREE TO A STAY, SO TO SPEAK, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE COULD DO THAT WITHOUT AFFECTING ANY PERIOD, ANY DEEMING PERIOD.
NOW THAT'S, THAT'S ENTIRELY UP TO THE DEVELOPER.
BUT I I WOULD AGREE WITH THE IDEA THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD AT LEAST, I I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF TABLING IT TILL THE NEXT MEETING.
WE MAY BE UP AGAINST THE DEADLINE AT THAT POINT, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WILL CHANGE THE WAY WE DO THIS.
A SECOND POINT, YOU KNOW, I REALLY AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT, UM, PEOPLE DIDN'T GET A TIMELY NOTICE.
I MEAN, THE, THE PLANNING STAFF DID PRECISELY WHAT THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES.
AND IN FACT, AS I READ THE PROVISION OF THE ZONING CODE, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE ANY DISCRETION.
I THINK IF THEY WOULD'VE SENT IT OUT EARLIER, I THINK THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.
AND THAT'S OUR FAULT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE JUST ADOPTED THIS CODE AND WE RECOMMENDED THAT IT BE ADOPTED.
I, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE RECOGNIZED THAT THIS WOULD BE A PROBLEM.
THAT, THAT A SEVEN DAY NOTICE WOULD PUT MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY IN THIS SITUATION PROBABLY OF GETTING THE NOTICE AFTER THE MEETING'S OVER.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY EXPECTED THE POST OFFICE TO TAKE A WEEK TO DELIVER A CERTIFIED LETTER EITHER.
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SO VILLE POST OFFICE SUCKS.AND WHEN I, WHEN I HAVE INSULIN THAT'S NOT DELIVERED IN TIMELY FASHION AND IT, AND IT GOES BAD, I CAN BLAME THE POST OFF.
I THINK WE SHOULD USE OUR CONSIDERABLE INFLUENCE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO ASK THEM TO, UH, DO A BETTER JOB ON THAT.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD TABLE THIS BASED ON KIND OF THE COLLECTIVE COMMENTS HERE.
AND I THINK THAT IT, WE OUGHT TO TABLE IT UNTIL A PUBLIC MEETING IS HELD WITH THE FOLKS OUTSIDE OF THE HILTON HEAD LAKES PDD, TO SHOW THEM WHAT'S PROPOSED AND TO ALLOW THEM TO COME BACK HERE WITH INFORMED COMMENTS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM WITH IT.
SCHEDULING ANOTHER MEETING ISN'T GONNA GAIN ANYTHING UNLESS THE COMMUNITY THAT'S INVOLVED IS INFORMED.
WHEN'S OUR NEXT, WHEN'S OUR NEXT COMMISSION MEETING? SECOND TUESDAY OR SECOND WEDNESDAY? I DON'T HAVE MY CALENDAR.
AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE BRING IT BACK UNTIL THE COMMUNITY IS INFORMED OF A PROPOSED ROUTING.
I THINK YOU'RE IN BETTER SHAPE TO GIVE A DATE SENTENCE, SIR.
UH, BUT, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND NOT A ROUTING WITHIN 500 FEET LEFT OR RIGHT AND THAT I THINK SO.
I THINK SO THE QUESTION TO YOU, LAMAR, I'M GONNA DEFER ALL RIGHT, FINE.
DEFER, WHEN COULD WE, WHEN COULD WE HAVE A MEETING TO INFORM THE FOLKS THAT ARE IMPACTED? AND THEN ONCE THAT'S DONE, THEN WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON THIS SUBJECT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO PULL TOGETHER A MEETING.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON AS TO WHERE THAT ROAD CAN EXACTLY BE LOCATED AT ANY SUCH MEETING.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE COULD TELL ANYBODY ANY MORE THAN WHAT WE CAN TELL THEM TODAY.
UM, THE STUDIES, THE, UH, WETLAND PERMITTING, UM, UH, THE NUMBER OF DE THE, THE DESIGN, ALL OF THAT HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE THE EXACT LOCATION CAN BE DETERMINED.
I CAN'T TELL YOU TODAY WHETHER THESE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED OR NOT.
AND WE WON'T BE ABLE TO TELL THEM THAT WITHIN 30 DAYS, YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A PROPOSED ROUTING, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A CONCEPTUAL ROUTING.
SO I NEED, I I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, OKAY, THAT'S YOUR, YOUR CONCEPTUAL ROUTING.
DON'T, DON'T, DON'T TELL ME THAT.
YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT AND, AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU CAN DO.
IF WE TABLE THIS, DON'T, DON'T TELL ME THAT YOU CAN'T COME BACK AND TELL THESE PEOPLE ANYTHING BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER.
WELL, TO BE FRANK, WHAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE AERIAL INFORMATION TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, WE'VE HAD TO HAVE PERMISSION TO GET ON THEIR PROPERTY TO DO ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE, WE'RE NOT ASKED FOR.
AND THAT'S GONNA TAKE A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME TO DO.
PROBABLY MORE, UM, THAN THEY GOT.
AND THEY, WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THEM IS JUST AS IMPORTANT.
THEIR HOME IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS MY HOME AND YOUR HOME AND EVERYBODY ELSE'S.
AND IT, AND IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THERE'S LITTLE CONCERN FOR THAT COMMUNITY, AS IS THE VIBE THAT I'M GETTING HERE TODAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S IMPRESSION I'M GETTING.
AND, AND I ALSO AM NOT HEARING THERE COULD BE ANY OTHER SOLUTION THAN WHAT WE SAW TODAY, IS WHAT I'VE HEARD.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT THAT IS NOT CORRECT.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA ADDRESS THE NOTICE.
THE PURPOSE OF THE NOTICE IS ACTUALLY FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT IS SCHEDULED AT A LATER DATE.
IT WAS NOT SPECIFICALLY THAT'S THE REQUIRED NOTICE.
THEY ALSO INCLUDED THE PLANNING COMMISSION DATE AS A MATTER OF INFORMATION.
SO THEIR NOTICE HAS BEEN TIMELY FOR WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE NOTICE IS FOR.
ACTUALLY OUR MZDO DOES REQUIRE THAT.
THE NOTICE SPECIFICALLY REQUIRED THE COMMISSION, THE NOTICE FOR PLANNING COMMISSION IS REQUIRED.
BUT THE LETTER NOTICE IS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE GENERAL NOTICE THAT IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW AND THE ORDINANCES HAS BEEN COMPLIED WITH, WHICH MEANS IT HAS TO GO IN THE PAPER 15 DAYS AHEAD OF TIME AND THE PROPERTY HAS TO BE POSTED.
YOUR HONOR, WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUR, WHAT'S OUR, WHAT'S OUR COMMITMENT? UM, YES, THE, UM, STATE LAW IS, AND WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS OPERATED FROM IN THE PAST IS 15 DAY NOTICE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
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A PUBLIC MEETING.PLANNING COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC MEETING.
PUBLIC HEARING IS HELD BY CITY COUNCIL.
IT PUTS, GETS PUT IN THE NEWSPAPER AND POSTED IN FEBRUARY WITH AN ADOPTION OF THE NEW MZDO.
WE PUT IN THERE THE REQUIREMENT FOR ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER NOTIFICATION, STILL THAT SAME STATE LAW 15 DAYS.
WE ACTUALLY EXTENDED IT OUT ANOTHER SEVEN DAYS BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT NOT NOTIFICATION OR KNOWLEDGE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS SEVEN DAYS BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO OUR ORDINANCE IS STRICTER THAN THE STATE REQUIREMENT.
OUR REQUIREMENT IS STRICTER THAN THE STATE REQUIREMENT.
OUR REQUIREMENT IS SEVEN DAYS TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS BEFORE A COMMISSION MEETING.
OUR, THE IMMEDIATE THING HERE IS WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS PDD? DO WE TABLE IT? DO WE REQUEST THAT THE MEETING BE HELD BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THOSE IMPACTED? YOU HAVE A PROPOSED ROUTING, I UNDERSTAND IT'S PRELIMINARY, BUT YOU CAN COME IN WITH SOME MAPS IN BETTER DETAIL THAN THIS THAT WOULD, SO THAT THEY WOULD KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND THAT THEY CAN COME BACK THEN AFTER THAT TO OUR MEETING AND, AND HAVE AN INFORMED SET OF COMMENTS.
I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE APPROVE THIS TODAY, WE'RE TRAMPLING OVER OTHER PEOPLE YEP.
SO, OKAY, SO TABLE MAKE A MOTION.
I'M THINKING TABLE IT UNTIL AFTER A COMMUNITY MEETING.
ALRIGHT, I MOVE THAT WE TABLE THE, THE, UM, THE HILTON HEAD, LAKES WEST DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND CON CONCEPTUAL PLAN PDD AMENDMENT SUB SUBMITTAL TO WHEN'S OUR DECEMBER MEETING? NO.
THE 11TH TO DECEMBER 11TH CONTINGENT ON THE DEVELOPER, SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH THE HOMEOWNERS AND THEN COME BACK TO US BECAUSE YES, WE REPRESENT YOU GUYS, BUT WE REPRESENT THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY FIRST.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THAT'S A SECOND.
ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
STARTING WITH RICK, DO YOU AGREE WITH THE, WITH THE MOTION THAT STEVE HAS PROPOSED THE TABLE YES.
AND ALSO THE PREREQUISITE BEING A COMMUNITY MEETING BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THOSE IMPACTED BY THE PROPOSED ROUTING.
I ALSO AGREE MOTION IS TABLED UNTIL DECEMBER PENDING A MEETING ON THIS ROUTING WITH THE IMPACTED PROPERTY OWNERS.
ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD JUST FOR THE RECORD, UM, JUST NOTE THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS NOT AGREED TO THE TABLING.
UM, AND THEREFORE DOESN'T HAVE TO YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
SAY YOU'RE RIGHT THAT WE DON'T, BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE RAMIFICATIONS FROM US NOT AGREEING.
I JUST WANNA MAKE IT ON THE RECORD.
WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR ONE HOUR AND 40 MINUTES.
I'M CALLING A FIVE MINUTE BIO BREAK.
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LITTLE SIGN OUT FRONT, THE LITTLE ANCHOR THAT GIVE YOU WHAT THEY PAID TO EMPLOY.I KNOW I HAD TO TURN IT DOWN THOUGH, IS AMAZING.
I'D LIKE TO RECONVENE THE OF THE
WE ARE ON TO, UH, DISCUSSION OF A EDD AMENDMENT FOR PARCEL OH OH FOUR OR OH 4 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 KNOWN AS HARDY STATION BOUNDED BY 2 78 95 AND 17.
I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY PRESENT B AND C TOGETHER SO WE CAN DO THE THREE AMENDMENT I ONLY
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ONE BOOK OUTUM, IT IS BOUND BY I 95 2 78 IN US 17.
UM, BACK IN 2009, A PDD WAS APPROVED AND AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN WAS ALSO APPROVED.
THERE WAS NO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AT THAT TIME.
UM, THE APPROVED PDD IS SHOWN HERE.
I'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THE CHANGES IN A MINUTE.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS THE PARCEL RIGHT HERE.
UM, YOU'VE GOT THE HOLIDAY INN RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS EXIT EIGHT I 95 17 2 78.
ALRIGHT, SO THE PROPOSED INITIAL MASTER PLAN IS SHOWN HERE AND IT SHOWS THE ARRANGEMENT OF,
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UM, THE LOTS AND THE ACCESS THAT'S PROPOSED.SO THERE ARE THREE ACCESS POINTS.
THIS ONE RIGHT HERE I'LL GET INTO IN A LITTLE BIT HERE.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A NEW ROAD, UM, TO GET TO THE EXISTING PARCELS HERE.
SO IT DOES DIVIDE THAT FRONT LOT OFF.
UM, BUT THEN THERE'S TWO MAIN ACCESS POINTS UP HERE AND ACTUALLY ANOTHER ONE UP HERE.
UM, SO KATIE, SO THERE'S FOUR EXITS INSTEAD OF THREE.
BECAUSE IT SAYS IN THE PAPERWORK, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO, THIS IS, IT IS.
SO THE TWO RIGHT HERE FOR THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN AREA, AND THEN THAT COULD BE A PROPOSED THIRD.
SO IN THE DISCUSSION THERE'S A LOT A OR EIGHT AND A LOT SEVEN.
BUT ISN'T IT REALLY THE SAME? YES.
IT'S THE SAME PDD, IT'S JUST THEY'RE THEY'VE, THEY'RE SHOWING LOTS.
THIS IS LOT SEVEN, THIS IS LOT EIGHT.
AND THEN THERE'S LOT SEVEN OTHER LOTS OVER HERE.
ALRIGHT, SO AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE OLD, WHICH, UM, DID HAVE ACCESS OFF AT 2 78 ORIGINALLY, THAT, UM, WILL NO LONGER BE PROVIDED.
UM, THAT IS BEING CLOSED OFF AS PART OF THE EXIT EIGHT IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THAT'S THEREFORE THE REASON FOR THIS ROAD RIGHT HERE.
SO, AND I WAIT, SO THE PRESENT ENTRANCE INTO THE HOLIDAY INN AND, AND THAT IS GONNA BE CLOSED OFF, IT'S GOING TO BE RELOCATED OFF OF 17 PER THE, THE, SO THERE WON'T BE ANY ACCESS OFF.
2 78 I 95 EXIT RAMP IS GONNA BE RIGHT THERE WHEN EXIT EIGHT IS REDONE.
S-C-D-O-T WILL NOT BE HAVING ACCESS STRAIGHT OFF OF, UM, TWO 70 THE EXIT RAMP.
AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT, RIGHT? THIS IS HAPPENING NO MATTER WHAT
SO, UM, 46.2 ACRES, UM, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, A LARGE TRAVEL CENTER, UM, AND THEN FUTURE COMMERCIAL USES FOR PROPO POTENTIAL RETAIL, HOTELS, RESTAURANTS, AND OTHER GENERAL COMMERCIAL USES.
UM, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT OF THE CITY OF HARDY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY WORK WITH OTHERS TO INCREASE ACCESS TO LOCAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT CAN REDUCE OVERALL COMMUTING DISTANCE AND COST FOR RESIDENTS.
UM, THIS DOES PROVIDE ADDITIONAL JOB OPPORTUNITIES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO DOWNTOWN AS WELL AS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THE EXIT EIGHT VICINITY.
UM, THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT RECOMMENDS THE CITY REVIEW PDDS AND DOCUMENT TRANSPORTATION RESPONSIBILITIES, AS WELL AS INCREASED COLLABORATION BETWEEN CITY STAFF AND S-C-D-O-T ON TRANSPORTATION NEEDS.
APPLICANT, AS YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL FROM YOUR PACKETS, HAS WORKED IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY AND S-C-D-O-T TO ADDRESS MITIGATION FOR CURRENT AND FUTURE TRAFFIC CONCERNS RELATED TO 78 S 17 AND I 95.
THIS APPLICATION PROVIDES IMPROVED ACCESS TO HARD HARDY STATION.
AS I MENTIONED, IT DOES TAKE THAT, UM, 2 78 ACCESS POINT AWAY, BUT IT MAKES IT SAFER WITH THE ACCESS OFFICE 17.
UM, EVERYTHING AGAIN HAS BEEN COORDINATED WITH NOT ONLY THE CITY BUT S-C-D-O-T THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AND HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT FOR THE CITY.
YOU SEE THE PROPERTY RIGHT HERE, YOU'RE LOOKING UP TOWARDS EXIT EIGHT.
SO IT IS UNDEVELOPED AT THIS TIME.
THIS IS LOOKING, UM, UP 17 TO THE NORTH AND THIS THE, UM, INTERSECTION RIGHT HERE OF 2 78 AND 17.
AND AGAIN, A COUPLE MORE VIEWS.
THIS IS LOOKING BACK TOWARDS TOWN AT THE SAME INTERSECTION.
SO AC LOOKING FROM THE PROPERTY ACROSS, I MENTIONED A LOT OF THIS, BUT THAT, UM, 3.8 ACRE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, THAT IS GOING TO BE DEDICATED TO S-C-D-O-T TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE EXISTING BUSINESSES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THIS PROJECT.
UM, THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS ALSO IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT, WHICH RECOMMENDS BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES BE INTEGRATED INTO ROADWAYS, IS PROPOSING MULTI-USE PATHWAYS AND SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THEIR PRO THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AS WELL AS ALONG THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES OF 17 AND 2 78.
THESE PATHWAYS WILL CONNECT TO FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED BY S-C-D-O-T AS PART OF THAT WHOLE I 95 EXIT EIGHT IMPROVEMENT PLAN THERE.
UM, CONNECTIVITY WILL CONTINUE TO BE FURTHER REVIEWED AT THE TIME OF SITE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS.
UM, PUT THE PROPOSED OPEN SPACE PLAN IN HERE TO SHOW YOU, UM, KIND OF THE CONNECTIVITY HERE WITH THE PATHWAYS.
THIS LEADS TO A BICYCLE PLAZA.
UM, SO THIS APPLICATION INCLUDES 20% TOTAL OPEN SPACE, UM, PROPOSED AND MINIMUM OF 20 FOOT AVERAGE LANDSCAPE BUFFER FOR THE PERIMETER OF THE
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PDD.ADDITIONAL AMENITIES INCLUDE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS, DOG WALKING STATIONS ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PARKING FIELD.
AND A BIKE PLAZA CHANGES FROM THE APPROVED ZONING THAT IS IN PLACE AT THIS TIME.
UM, REMOVAL OF BUSINESS PARK LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES REMOVAL OF CONVERSION LANGUAGE TO, UM, ALLOW THOSE INDUSTRIAL USES.
REMOVAL OF VAGUE LANGUAGE THAT LEFT A LOT OF THE PERMITTED USES.
PRETTY OPEN, UM, INCREASED OPEN SPACE.
THE PROPOSED IS 20% INCREASED BUFFERS.
UM, THE PROPOSED IS AN AVERAGE OF 20.
THE ADDITIONAL AMENITIES, ADDITION OF BIKE PATHS THAT WERE NOT ORIGINALLY INCLUDED.
UM, IMPROVED ACCESS AND THIS APPLICATION DID NOT PREVIOUSLY INCLUDE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS, UM, BEING REVIEWED CONCURRENTLY BY CITY COUNCIL WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE HERE AT PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, AND THEN TO SRC FOR REVIEW.
UM, THE ONLY CONDITION THAT THE, THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS AT THIS TIME BASED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, I THINK THE INTENT MIGHT BE THERE, BUT THE LANGUAGE IS NOT CLEAR IN THE, IN THERE.
SO WE WOULD LIKE A CONDITION THAT THE PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING ISLANDS BE REQUIRED WITH EXCEPTION OF THE FUEL CANOPY AREA OF THE PARKING LOT.
AND WE'VE REFERENCED THE SECTION OF THE PDD THAT WE WOULD LIKE THAT ADDED INTO.
THERE WAS NO LANDSCAPING THEY WERE GOING TO DO AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING.
DO YOU WANT THAT IN THE, I I WILL LET YOU DISCUSS THAT WITH THE APPLICANT.
UM, WE REALLY, WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DESIGN BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL THINGS LIKE THE BICYCLE, UM, PLAZA AND THE INCREASED BUFFERS, UM, IF THAT PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING IS IN PLACE.
I VISITED A TRAVEL CENTER RECENTLY THAT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE.
I'M, I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE CASEY WITH KIMLEY HORNE AT THIS TIME AND HE'LL BE ABLE TO FILL IN SOME MORE DETAILS FOR YOU.
UH, CASEY WARFIELD WITH, WITH KIMLEY HORNE HERE TO REPRESENT THE APPLICANT.
GOOD MORNING, UH, UH, ON THAT BARELY
BUT, UM, APPRECIATE KATIE INTRODUCING THE PROJECT FOR US AND, AND, UH, AND WORKING WITH, WITH STAFF TO GET US TO THIS, THIS POINT.
UM, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AS REGARDS TO THE, THE LANDSCAPING ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING, IT IS AN, AN ACCESS ISSUE AND A MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF, UH, OF TRAVEL CENTERS SIMILAR TO THIS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND IT, IT JUST LANDSCAPING GETS, GETS TRAMPLED IN MAINTENANCE.
UH, SO BEST PRACTICE LEARNED FROM THAT IS TO FOCUS THOSE LANDSCAPE AREAS ELSEWHERE, ONSITE PRESERVE OTHER OPEN SPACE FOR DOG WALKING AND, AND, AND OTHER, OTHER THINGS THAT FOLKS, UH, GOING FROM LONG HAULS ON, ON INTERSTATES MIGHT NEED TO STRETCH THEIR LEGS.
AND, AND WITH THAT, UM, HERE TO HELP ANSWER ANY, ANY QUESTIONS HE'S GOT, UH, I'VE GOT CONRAD HELPED IN HERE, UH, FROM OUR, OUR TRAFFIC TRANSPORTATION TEAM THAT HELPED PULL TOGETHER THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, THAT, THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND, AND APPROVED BY S-C-D-O-T AS WELL AS THE CITY'S THIRD PARTY, UH, CONSULTANT STANTEC.
THEY'VE REVIEWED AND, AND PROVIDED THEIR, THEIR INPUT ON THE, ON THE TRAFFIC AND ACCESS AS WELL.
UH, THE, THE EXIT EIGHT IMPROVEMENTS BY S-E-D-O-T, UM, THAT IS, IS STAFF, UH, DESCRIBED, UH, REQUIRING OR OR ADJUSTING THE ACCESS IN, IN THAT ROAD ON THE KIND OF BISECTING LOT.
SEVEN AND EIGHT TO THE RIGHT IS WILL BE A ROAD THAT IS CONSTRUCTED BY S-E-D-O-T AS PART OF THE INTERCHANGE PROJECT.
SO WE'RE, UM, KIND OF BEHOLDEN TO, TO THEM AND THEIR, THEIR DESIGN FOR THAT.
UM, BUT, BUT OTHER ACCESS POINTS ARE, ARE, UH, TWO ROUNDABOUTS KIND OF IN THE, UH, PAGE, PAGE RIGHT AND PAGE LEFT OF THE MAIN TRAVEL CENTER.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE A, A THIRD ACCESS POINT THAT, UH, CONNECTS TO AN INTERNAL ACCESS ROAD.
UH, FURTHER PAGE LEFT BETWEEN, UH, LOTS FOUR, FIVE THERE.
THAT ROADWAY WILL NOT COME OUT TO 17.
IT, IT IS PROPOSED TO CONNECT TO 17 IN, UH, IN THE FUTURE WHEN, WHEN THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY GETS DEVELOPED, UH, FROM A, FROM A TIMING AND, AND PHASING, UH, STANDPOINT, IT, THAT THAT ROAD AND ACCESS WILL GO WITH THOSE, WITH THOSE,
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WHAT DOES A BICYCLE PLAZA CONSIST OF?UH, SO IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY, AND, AND I'M NOT A CYCLIST, I'M GONNA BUTCHER A LOT OF THESE, THESE, THESE TERMS. UH, BUT BASICALLY A PLACE FOR, UH, PROBABLY ALL SEEN THE BIKES, YOU KNOW, ON, ON CAR CARRIERS ON THE BACK, ON THE ROOF OR THE TOP.
A LOT OF TIMES THE WHEELS ARE DISCONNECTED FOR LONG HAUL TRAVEL, UM, BUT TO KIND OF GET THE BIKE BACK TOGETHER.
THEY LIKE TO GO IN GROUPS AND IT GIVES THEM AN AREA TO MEET, UM, AND, AND CONGLOMERATE IN THE SHADE TO TUNE UP THEIR BIKES IF THEY NEED TO ADJUST THE GEARS, ADJUST THE, UH, THE BRAKES AND, YOU KNOW, GET THE TIRES AND THINGS BACK ON AS, AS THEY GO ON THEIR, THEIR RIDES.
SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST A OPEN AREA.
IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S THE SHADED OPEN, OPEN AREA.
AND WHERE DO YOU, UH, THINK THAT THEY'LL RIDE THOSE BICYCLES?
WE ARE PROPOSING MULTI-USE PASS ON THE, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE ADJACENT ROADWAY AND INTERNAL TO OUR SITE.
THERE ARE PLANS AS PART OF THE SE DTS PROJECT TO INTRODUCE SOME, UH, SIDEWALKS AND THINGS ACROSS THE INTERSTATE.
UH, AND, AND EVENTUALLY TIE INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, OTHER ROADWAYS AND, UH, AND, AND MULTI-USE PATHS AND, AND TRAILS KIND OF THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S, IT'S, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO TO PLAN, PLAN AHEAD.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T CONTROL ALL THE OTHER PLACES THEY MAY GO OR TRAVEL, BUT IF WE GIVE 'EM A CATALYST TO, TO START FROM, TO BE SUCCESSFUL, IT, THIS IS ALSO IN KEEPING WITH THE CITY'S, UM, BICYCLE BIKE PED MASTER PLAN THAT WE HAVE, UM, WHICH IS WHY DOT IS INCORPORATING THEIR, UM, PART INTO THE DESIGN AS WELL.
AND, UM, THE EAST COAST GREENWAY PROPOSALS AS WELL.
NOW THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE TRAFFICKING 'EM ALL TO 17 SOUNDS LIKE A, YOU'RE GONNA REGRET THAT MOVE AFTER.
ANY INJURIES? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, RICK? NO, JEFF, UH, THE, THE GENERAL, UH, PAVED, UH, GENERAL SURFACE AROUND THE TRAVEL CENTER, IS THAT GONNA BE JUST, UH, ASPHALT PAVEMENT OR IS THERE GONNA BE ANY SEMI PERMEABILITY OR ANY OF ANY OF THAT? IT'S, UH, FOR DURABILITY PURPOSES, IT'S HISTORICALLY BEEN, UH, CONCRETE PAVEMENT, A HEAVY DUTY CONCRETE PAVEMENT.
'CAUSE UM, THE HELP WITH THAT LONG-TERM DURABILITY OF IT, UH, FROM A, UH, FROM A STORMWATER PERSPECTIVE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE INTRODUCING A, A SERIES OF, OF INTERCONNECTED, UH, PONDS AROUND THE, AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE.
AND THEN, UH, ALSO WE'LL BE DOING SOME, UH, AS WE GET, GET FURTHER IN DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, INFILTRATION STUDIES AND OTHERS TO FIND OTHER, OTHER WAYS, YOU KNOW, BESIDES THE PONDS THAT, UH, IF THE SOILS AND SITE CONDITIONS ALLOW TO, UH, GO WITH DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO STORMWATERS THROUGH AS OPPOSED TO JUST TRADITIONAL POND.
UM, THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF COORDINATION HERE BETWEEN IMPROVEMENTS, MOST OF 'EM, TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS BETWEEN THE STATE, THE DEVELOPERS AND THE CITY.
I GUESS WHAT, WHAT PART OF IT IS ARE IS THE DEVELOPER PAYING FOR? YEAH, SO DEVELOPER WILL BE PAYING FOR THE, UM, THE TWO ROUNDABOUTS SHOWN HERE AND THE WIDENING ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH HIGH HIGHWAY 17.
UM, THE, SO, SO ALL OF THOSE, THOSE ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE, YOU KNOW, ON THE DEVELOPER'S DIME, UM, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE FROM SCTS INTERCHANGE IMPROVEMENTS AND, AND I MENTIONED THAT THE, THE ROAD, THE, UH, GAS STATION AND HOTEL ON THE RIGHT IS PART OF SINCE SC DTS REMOVING THEIR ACCESS, THAT WILL BE PART OF THE S-C-D-O-T PROJECT.
HOW DO YOU COORDINATE THE VARIOUS MOVING PARTS HERE? YOU KNOW, UH, IF, IF A DEVELOPER, ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS IS, UM, LATE OR UNABLE TO COMPLETE THEIR PORTIONS OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, OR FOR THAT MATTER, IF ONE OF THE GOVERNMENT ENTITIES ARE LATE, UH, IN PROVIDING WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? EXCELLENT QUESTION.
UM, AND IN, BY AND LARGE, IT'S, ITS SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP
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BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND ALL OF OUR PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS ARE PIGGYBACKING ON SCTS, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.AND, AND SO THEY'RE ALL GONNA WORK IN, IN CONJUNCTION AND, AND TO SOME DEGREE I SAY SOME WE'RE BEHOLDEN TO THEIR SCHEDULE, UM, WHICH IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, A BIT NERVE WRACKING FROM A, A DEVELOPER STANDPOINT THAT WE'RE BEHOLDEN TO THE GOVERNMENT SCHEDULE.
UM, BUT, UH, WITH THAT SAID, THEY KNOW THAT THEY'VE ACCOUNTED FOR IT AND, AND ARE READY TO, UH, AND, AND ARE, YOU KNOW, WILLING TO DO WHAT THEY CAN TO HELP EXPEDITE THINGS.
YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SURVEY AREA THAT THEY NEED THAT WE HAVE, WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH THEM.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT WE, WE CAN DO WITHIN OUR CONTROL, UM, THAT BENEFITS EVERYBODY AND GETS THE STORE OPEN QUICKER, THEY'RE ALL ABOUT IT.
ALRIGHT, STEVE, SO THIS IS ALL TIED TO THE RELOC, I WANNA SAY RELOCATION, BUT THE REWORK OF EXIT EIGHT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A WAY DOWN THE ROAD.
IT'S RELATIVELY SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WON'T BE NEXT YEAR.
UM, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME, AGAIN, IT'S S-E-D-O-T.
UM, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME ENCOURAGING NEWS THAT IT, IT'LL BE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER FOR THE INTERCHANGE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T CONTROL THEIR SCHEDULE.
SO IT'S, IT'S HARD TO SAY WITH A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAINTY, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THEY'RE, WELL 'CAUSE AS FAR AS THE, THE I 95 IMPROVEMENTS, THAT'S STARTING DOWN AT THE GEORGIA LINE, RIGHT? NOT NECESSARILY.
I, I DON'T HAVE THE SCHEDULE THAT I CAN, I DON'T HAVE THE FINAL SCHEDULE, BUT THEY'RE DOING PIECES LIKE THEY CAN'T DO EXIT EIGHT AND JOHN SMITH ROAD AT THE SAME TIME.
SO THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GOING TO KIND OF BRING IN SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS IN THE MEANTIME.
SO ARE YOU NOT GONNA BUILD UNTIL EXIT EIGHT IS FINISHED OR YOU GONNA GO AHEAD ON YOUR SCHEDULE AND HOPE THINGS COME ALONG AT THE SAME TIME? YEAH, I CAN, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
UM, FOR THE CENTER TO FUNCTION OPTIMALLY, THEY WANT A GREAT USER EXPERIENCE.
MM-HMM
AND THEN THEY HAVE THAT REMEMBRANCE IN THEIR BRAIN NEXT TIME THEY'RE HEADING UP DOWN NINE, FIVE CORRIDOR, IT WAS A PAIN TO GET HERE.
I DON'T WANT TO GO, I'M GONNA GO AND EXIT DOWN AND GET MY GAS.
I'M GONNA GO AND EXIT UP, GO TO THE BATHROOM, OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
UM, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY, UH, YOU KNOW, COGNIZANT OF PLANNING, YOU KNOW, ONCE DOT GETS A, YOU KNOW, A DEFINITIVE CONTRACTOR ON BOARD CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE IN PLACE, IDEALLY IT WOULD ALIGN THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OPEN A WEEK LATER OR THE INTERCHANGES OPEN A WEEK LATER, THE STORE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND DO OUR, OUR BEST TO, TO PLAN IT THAT WAY.
WE GOT A FEW, UH, YOU MENTIONED, UH, STEPS TO PREVENT OIL AND FUEL CONTAMINATION FROM ENTERING THE WETLANDS.
WHAT DOES THAT CONSIST OF? JUST A SKIMMER ON THE OUTFALL IT? NO.
UM, AND SO IN, IN OTHER CENTERS WE, WE GO, THEY BRAIN CELLS ARE GOING, GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND KIND OF THE STANDARD STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS FROM A, FROM A STATE PERSPECTIVE, UH, AND, AND LOCAL JURISDICTIONAL PERSPECTIVE AND, AND INTRODUCE, UH, PROPRIETARY WATER QUALITY DEVICES IN THAT, UH, THAT HAVE A, AN OIL WATER, UH, SEPARATION AND CONTAINMENT WITHIN THAT DEVICE.
I MEAN, I'M FAMILIAR WITH 'EM FROM WORKING IN REFINERIES, AT LEAST SOME IMPLEMENTATION WHERE THERE'S ESSENTIALLY CONSIDERED A BIG SEPTIC TANK WITH A WEIR IN IT THAT THE FUEL AND THE OIL STAY ON ONE SIDE OF THE WEIR AND THE, THE WATER FLOWS UNDER THE WEIR TO THE OTHER SIDE AND THEN TO THE STORM WATER SYSTEM.
SIMILAR KIND OF CONCEPT, SIMILAR CONCEPT.
UM, THERE ARE SOME SYSTEMS LIKE THAT.
THERE ARE SOME THAT, THAT WE'VE IMPLEMENTED MORE RECENTLY THAT ARE MORE OF A HYDRODYNAMIC SEPARATION, UH, TO WHERE YOU GET KIND OF A, A VORTEX, UM, IN THAT, IN THAT SYSTEM FOUND TO BE, BE MORE EFFECTIVE, UM, THAT THE, YOU KNOW, OIL AND WATER, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE OIL OILS GETTING TO THE TOP, UM, ON THAT AND, AND, AND LIKE ALL ALL SYSTEMS, IT REQUIRES REGULAR MAINTENANCE ON THAT, WHICH THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY COMMITTED TO DOING.
'CAUSE THE LAST THING THEY, THEY WANT IS TO CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS AND HAVE AN ISSUE THAT THE SORO GETS SHUT DOWN.
UH, TREE COVERAGE IN THE PDD, IT WAS EXPRESSED IN A FASHION THAT I'M NOT USED TO.
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UH, YOU LIST 40 INCHES DBH INCHES PER ACRE AND YOU KNOW, WE NORMALLY TALK ABOUT 15 TREES, TWO AND A HALF INCHES.SO HOW DO THEY RELATE OR DO THEY
UM, OUR HOPE IS TO MAKE SURE OUR, OUR PART IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THINK THAT THE END PRODUCT IS GOING TO GIVE US EITHER SIMILAR OR BETTER, UM, TREE COVERAGE IN THE END.
BUT IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE METHODOLOGY A LITTLE BIT.
YEAH, YEAH, I CAN, I CAN TALK ABOUT THE METHODOLOGY.
IT, IT GIVES US A LITTLE MORE, MORE FLEXIBILITY.
STANDARD TREE PLANTING SIZE IS, YOU KNOW, TWO, TWO AND A HALF, THREE, THREE INCH CALIBER.
UM, BUT IT, HAVING IT ON AN AN INCH PER ACRE BASIS ALLOWS US TO PLANT BIGGER TREES BETTER ESTABLISHED QUICKER, UM, ON THAT AND TO GET CREDIT FOR IT.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S HOW WE'RE, WE'RE ADDRESSING IT, TRYING TO GET TO THE SAME OVERALL TREE CANOPY AT, AT DAY ONE, BUT EVENTUALLY STARTING WITH, WITH SOME BIGGER TREES.
UM, WE'VE, WE'VE FOUND TO BE, BE SUCCESSFUL AND IT, AND IT DEPENDS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT FOR, FOR EVERY LOCATION, EVERY ISLAND, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, KIND OF BY THE, BY THE BIKE PLAZA, THAT'S AN AREA THAT, THAT DAY ONE THAT THEY'RE LIKELY GONNA WANT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING MORE THAN A, A TYPICAL TREE SIZE AT THAT, THAT SPOT.
UM, ARE THERE, HAVE YOU IDENTIFIED ANY HARDWOODS OUTSIDE OF THE WETLANDS ON THIS PROPERTY? THERE? IT'S PRIMARILY TIMBERED PINE.
UM, I DON'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I KNOW THERE WAS A TREE SURVEY, UM, THAT WAS PERFORMED AS PART OF THE SURVEY.
I DON'T RECALL ANYTHING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT, BUT DON'T, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT.
IT, IT STATES IN THE PDD THAT TREES OVER 12 INCHES, UM, DBH ARE PROTECTED.
AND ON THAT SITE, AGAIN, I KIND OF MADE A QUICK WALK OF IT.
TO YOUR POINT, ALL THIS, THERE'S PINE TREES AND WE DON'T REALLY DEFINE THOSE AS TREES HERE.
UH, YOU DON'T THINK THAT ALL RIGHT.
UH, SO IF IT'S NOT A HARDWOOD TREE, 12 INCHES, IT WOULDN'T BE PROTECTED.
AND YOU DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY HARDWOOD TREES? CORRECT.
DOES THIS TRAVEL CENTER SERVICE TRUCKS, I DIDN'T SEE ANY TRUCK PARKING.
THEY ARE, UM, ADAMANTLY AGAINST TRUCKS.
THAT'S NOT THE CROWD THAT THEY, THAT THEY WANT, THEY FIND, UM, THAT FIND THAT IT DETERS THEIR STANDARD CUSTOMER, WHICH THEY WANT TO BE FAMILIES AND, AND WHOMEVER REALLY TRAVELING UP AND DOWN THE INTERSTATE.
BUT YOU, YOU DO HAVE ROOM FOR MOTOR HOMES? WE DO.
THERE IS, OH YEAH, THERE'S PARKING ALLOCATED THERE ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN FOR MOTOR HOUSE.
SO ALONG THE SOUTH EDGE WHERE IT'S RIGHT ABOVE WHERE IT SAYS POND.
ARE THOSE PROPANE TANKS? NO, THAT IS THE, THE UNDERGROUND, UH, FUEL TANK, UH, FROM NOW.
BELOW GRADE, UNDER UNDERGROUND.
SO THERE'S NO ABOVE GROUND PROPANES.
UM, YOU'VE GOT A FORCE MAIN THAT SERVICES LOTS ONE THROUGH SIX, KIND OF LOCATED UP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
WHERE DOES THAT CONNECT INTO THE BEAUFORT JASPER WASTEWATER SYSTEM? DOES THAT GO UP TO THE CORNER OF, OF 2 78 OR WHERE, WHERE DOES IT CONNECT IT? IT DOES, THERE'S AN EXISTING, UH, GRAVITY MANHOLE CLOSE TO THAT INTERSECTION OF 2 78 THAT IT WILL, UM, THAT IT'LL DISCHARGE TO.
AND, AND WE, UH, THE TEAM'S BEEN IN COORDINATION WITH BE BEAUFORT, JASPER WATER AND SEWER ON THAT, UM, KIND OF TYING LOCATION AND IN, IN, IN PALM STATION THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE PROJECT.
AND THEN YOUR STORM WATER TWO OUTFALL, WHICH SERVICES? THE TRAVEL CENTER IS UP IN KIND OF THE NORTH, OR EXCUSE ME,
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I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY FLOWING INTO THAT LITTLE TINY PIECE OF WETLAND UP THERE.IS THAT GOING TO SOMEHOW CONNECT TO THE POND THAT'S BETWEEN THE TRAVEL CENTER AND LOT EIGHT? IS THERE A CONNECTION POINT THERE? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME YOU CAN ROUTE MUCH WATER FROM THE TRAVEL CENTER UP INTO THAT LITTLE POND.
YEAH, SO, SO ALL THE PONDS ARE PROPOSED TO BE INTERCONNECTED.
UM, ON THAT EXISTING DRAINAGE PATTERNS, THERE'S A, A PORTION THAT FLOWS KIND OF TO, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S THE SOUTHEAST KIND OF PLANNED TOP RIGHT.
UH, BEHIND THE HOTEL EXISTING.
AND THERE'S ALSO A PORTION THAT, THAT GOES UNDERNEATH, UH, HIGHWAY 17 OVER TO THE, THE RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY.
AND SO AS, AS WE GET FURTHER INTO THE STORM WATER DESIGN, THAT, UM, THOSE FLOWS WILL BE, BE SPLIT TO, TO MIMIC IN, IN THE EXISTING DRAINAGE RODS.
SO YOU'LL, SO THE TRAVEL CENTER WILL ALSO DRAIN TO, OR AT LEAST A PORTION OF IT DRAINED UNDERNEATH THE ROADWAY TO THE DITCH ALONG THE RAILROAD.
ANY FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS? ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE
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SEEING NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MR. CHAIRMAN? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AMENDMENT KNOWN AS HARDY STATION.UH, WHAT ABOUT THE, WE HAVE TWO THINGS HERE.
I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT, THAT WE ACCEPT THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR THE SECTION KNOWN AS HARDY STATION PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
SECOND, WHAT ABOUT THE STAFF COMMENTS ABOUT LANDSCAPING? YES.
UH, INCLUDING
HI, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND IN FAVOR.
[C. CONSIDERATION OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR PARCEL 042-00-02-001 HARDEE STATION LOCATED BETWEEN US HWY 278, I-95 AND US HWY 17 (HARDEE STATION PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT)]
THANK YOU ALL.NOW, UH, ITEM SEVEN ON THE AGENDA OF THE PLANNING REPORT.
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GIVE SOME SOME BIG PICTURE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON, AND THEN IF WE HAVE SPECIFIC, IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, THEN THEN KATIE IS GONNA BACK ME UP HERE.UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE NEXT, UM, FEW WEEKS, I, I, I KEEP THINKING, OH, NEXT MONTH IN OCTOBER, BUT IT'S REALLY IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
UM, AND YOU MAY HAVE HEARD WE ARE OUT OF SPACE.
UM, WE HAVE A SENIOR PLANNER THAT, THAT, THAT CURRENTLY RESIDES PART-TIME AND KATIE'S CORNER OF HER OFFICE AND PART-TIME IN THE, UM, AT OUR, AT OUR CONFERENCE TABLE, UM, WE HAVE A NEW, WE'VE GOT PICNIC TABLES, WE HAVE A NEW
UM, AND BUILDING INSPECTORS ARE OUT OF ROOM.
AND ANOTHER ARE THE NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.
SO, UM, ADMINISTRATION AND OTHERS GOT TOGETHER AND LET COUNCIL KNOW ABOUT THIS.
THE, UM, WE WILL BE MOVING SOME OFFICES AROUND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL BE MOVING DOWN TO A PORTION OF THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
UM, MEDIA WAS DOWN IN THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
THEY ARE NOW DOWN AT WITH THE REST OF IT AND, AND THE SIDS DEPARTMENT, UM, AT THE FIRE HEADQUARTERS, UM, BUILDING.
AND WE WILL BE SWITCHING WITH FINANCE.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE OVER THAT ORIGINAL SPOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN I STARTED, WAY BACK WHEN I WAS ALL THE CORRECT WAY ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
SO IT'S GONNA BE THE STAFF PLUS OUR SENIOR PLANNER AND, UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT.
AND, UM, SO THAT WILL BE HAPPENING IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
IT'S ALL CONTINGENT UPON CERTAIN THINGS COMING IN.
THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT'S GONNA MOVE BACK TO OUR THREE OFFICES AND WHERE OUR CONFERENCE TABLE IS, WE'LL BE MOVING INTO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AREA AND THAT THAT WILL BE MADE INTO A CONFERENCE ROOM THERE.
SO WE'LL HAVE A BIGGER CONFERENCE ROOM AND THIS FRONT PART OF THE BUILDING AND THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT WILL BE BACK IN THE BACK.
SO, UM, LOTS OF THINGS GOING ON.
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WILL KEEP YOU INFORMED, BUT IF THERE'S A DAY THAT, UM, YOU DON'T GET AN ANSWER IT, WE MAY BE SHIFTING DESK OR SOMETHING.UM, BUT, UM, WE ALSO BE CLOSING OFF THAT FRONT WINDOW AND WE'LL BE, I'LL BE UTILIZING ONE WINDOW AND IT'LL BE, UM, VERY, A LOT NEW SIGNAGE AS WELL AS BELLS AND, AND WHISTLES AND WHATNOT TO MAKE SURE THAT CUSTOMER SERVICE IS HAPPENING EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY.
SO, UM, HAVING SAID THAT, THAT'S A BIG PART OF OUR, OF OUR WORLD RIGHT NOW.
AS LONG AS, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS WE DID GET BACK SOME INITIAL DRAWINGS.
UM, I MAY HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, UM, ON OUR FIRST LEG OF, OF WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD WHERE WE WERE LOOKING TO IMPROVE THAT
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INTERSECTION AT 3 21 IN, IN WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD.UM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF MOVING PARTS THAT ARE GOING IN THERE AND WE'RE WAITING ON SOME, WE HAD SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND, AND TRANSPORTATION PEOPLE ON HOW WE COULD, UM, MAKE IT WORK AND STILL FOLLOW THE STANDARDS OF THE WHITE HARDY MASTER PLAN.
SO STILL PLANNING, NO, NO CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS, UM, NO CONSTRUCTION COMMENT CONTRACTS AT THIS TIME.
WE'VE GOT TO FIND, HE, THE LAST GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT DOT SCHEDULE.
WE DO HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH DOT SCHEDULE ON THIS AND THEY HAVE TO APPROVE IT ONCE.
WE ARE TALKING AT A MAJOR RENOVATION AT THAT AT US 17 AND 3 21.
AND THAT DOES INVOLVE A LOT OF OTHER PLAYERS.
AND WE ARE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SAFE, IT'S GOOD FOR, UM, FIRST RESPONDERS AND EVERYONE ELSE AS WELL AS IT MAKES IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND BETTER FOR OUR IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR VISION FOR WHITE HARDY.
HOW ABOUT THE TRUCK STOP? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC? QUICK TRIP? BOTH OF THEM.
QUICK TRIP AND, AND YOU TAKE YOUR LIFE AND YOUR HANDS GOING DOWN THAT AGAIN, WHEN, WHEN EXIT FIVE IS RECONFIGURED, THERE'S GONNA BE A FRONTAGE ROAD BACK BEHIND QUIKTRIP AND THAT WILL COME OUT BEHIND WENDY'S AND, AND THAT, AND ULTIMATELY BACK OUT TO, UM, 17 ACROSS FROM WHERE THE FIRST ENTRANCE INTO THE SHERWOOD TRACK.
SO THAT WILL BE A, A A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN.
UM, THAT WILL CONNECT BACK WITH THE FRONTAGE ROAD.
THE FRONTAGE ROAD WON'T HAVE DIRECT ACCESS ONTO THE RAMP AT EXIT FIVE LIKE IT DOES NOW.
UM, SO THAT'S GONNA CLEAN UP ALL OF THAT.
WE ARE STILL WORKING WITH, UM, THE CONNECTION OF FRONTAGE RATE ON THE SIDE WHERE THE PILOT AND ALL OF THAT IS, BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THE, UM, THE LAND OR, OR THE ABILITIES, BUT WE ARE, IT WILL BE ALL IMPROVED BASED ON GETTING THAT FRONTAGE RATE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
AND I NOTICED THEY'VE STARTED PUTTING UP THE TEMPORARY LIGHTS ON IGEN.
UM, I HEARD THIS MORNING THAT ON THE, UM, AT NEW RIVER OR YEAH, NEW RIVER, EAST SERGEANT PARKWAY URGENT BOULEVARD INTERSECTION.
THERE HAS BEEN SOME DIFFERENT WAYS ON PUTTING THE BOX OUT THERE THAT RUNS THE LIGHTS.
THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN FLASHING BY NOW.
UM, THE HOPE IS THEY WILL BE FLASHING IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
THERE WAS AN ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR OUT THERE ON MY WAY IN THIS MORNING.
THEY'VE BEEN OUT THERE FOR, UH, FOR A NUMBER OF WEEKS.
I, I LIVE OUT THERE NOW, UH, IN THAT GENERAL VICINITY AND I'VE BEEN WATCHING IT
UM, SO THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING, IN FACT, THEY CUT THE POWER TO MY HOUSE.
UM, AND WE'VE GOT A NEW LIGHT DOWN ON ONE 70.
SO LOTS OF THINGS GOING ON AND UM, WE ARE HERE TO, I ALMOST RAN IT, SO IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT OUR BOARDS, IF YOU'RE WONDERING ABOUT THE BOARDS, THE BOARDS HAVE COME DOWN BECAUSE OF THE MOVE.
BUT WE WILL BE REPLACING THEM AND, AND GETTING ONCE WE GET MOVED, AND THEN WE'LL MAKE SURE WE'RE STAYING UP TO DATE.
BUT WE'RE KEEPING EVERYTHING ON THE RESIDENTIAL PIPELINE RIGHT NOW.
MAYBE THOSE SHOULD BECOME DIGITAL BOARDS.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL PIPELINE AND, AND ANOTHER SPREADSHEET THAT MS. MOODY'S IS KEEPING UP FOR US AS WELL.
SO IN THEIR, IN THEIR RELOCATION, MAYBE THEY CAN PUT SIX MORE BOARDS ALONG THE WALLS.
WHAT'S THE STATUS OF, UM, ARGENT PARKWAY ACROSS FROM, UH, NEW RIVER WHERE THE NEW LIGHT IS GOING IN? WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT ROAD? GETTING CUT ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO ONE 70.
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EAST SERGEANT PARKWAY.FINAL PHASES IN PERMITTING THE FINAL PHASES IN PERMITTING, THEY'LL CONNECT THAT MIDDLE SECTION.
UM, I KNOW THAT EVERY TIME I GO OUT THERE, THEY'RE, THEY'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT THEY'RE WAITING FOR THAT LAST, THAT LAST PHASE TO GET THROUGH ALL THE STATE AND, AND OUR PERMITS AND THEN WE'LL, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT NEXT YEAR SOMETIME.
PROBABLY, PROBABLY IF ALL GOES WELL.
UM, OBVIOUSLY FOR SO MANY REASONS.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT THE, THE DEVELOPERS OF, OF ALL OF THAT ARE, THEY GOT OTHER PEOPLE WAITING ON DEVELOPING THAT CAN'T DEVELOP UNTIL THAT'S BUILT.
AND ARE WE GONNA GET A TEMPORARY LATE AT HI IN, UH, 2 78? I KNOW THEY TALKED ABOUT IT.
THAT IS, THAT ONE IS ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO KEEP SAYING, OH, THAT'S S-C-D-O-T, BUT THAT IS ONE THAT IS BEING DONE BY S-C-D-O-T.
UM, IT WAS OUT THERE FOR A NUMBER OF, OUT FORBID, READY TO GO.
UM, AND THEY DID NOT HAVE ANYONE BID ON IT.
NOBODY LIKES TO BE BID AT WORK,
UM, SO THEN AT THAT POINT, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS MR. DAVIS IS NOT IN TODAY, BUT, UM, HE HAS ALL THE DETAILS, HOW IT GOT SHIFTED BACK DOWN TO A DIFFERENT SPOT ON THE LIST.
UM, SO, BUT WE ARE HOPEFULLY WITH THE ONE AT, UM, EAST SERGEANT PARKWAY IN AR, THAT WILL TAKE SOME PRESSURE OFF.
I KNOW THAT PEOPLE STILL CUT THROUGH MM-HMM.
UM, NOT THAT, THAT'S THE SAFEST THING.
I KNOW IT'S A HORRIBLY HORRIBLE THING IN THE AFTERNOON AND IN THE MORNINGS, BUT, UM, THEY CUT THROUGH WATER MALL TOO.
SO, UM, THAT'S NOT OUT OF OUR HANDS, BUT WE, AND WE ARE CERTAINLY ENCOURAGING AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
AND THE LEFT TURN LANES AT MARGARITAVILLE AND HILTON HEAD LAKES, THAT IS ALL.
UM, THAT IS ALL BEING PART OF IMPROVEMENTS MADE BY THE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND I KNOW THAT THOSE ARE MOST DEFINITELY UNDERWAY.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY STAND ON THE WELL AFTER WHAT WE DID TO 'EM TODAY.
YEAH, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANNA GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT ONE.
ANYBODY TO KIND OF HELP ME WITH THE NOTICE, THE NOTICE THAT WE SENT OUT TO THOSE FOLKS WHO MAKES THE RULES ON HOW THAT TWO, JUST TWO WEEKS IS ENOUGH.
WHO MAKES THE RULES AS TO WHEN THAT GETS SENT OUT IN WHAT LENGTH OF TIME? UM, AS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, STATE LAW IS, IS, IS VERY SET ON THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND IN THAT PUBLIC HEARING DATE, AND, AND NOT ON NECESSARILY A NOTIFICATION FOR PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, WE INCLUDED THAT SEVEN DAY WHEN WE WERE BACK IN LAST YEAR AND THEN UP TO UNTIL FEBRUARY WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THE MZDO.
IT SAYS IF WE'RE GONNA BE SENDING IT OUT 15 DAYS BECAUSE OF WAY OUR SCHEDULE IS, WHY DON'T WE INCLUDE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN THAT? SO WE SAID SEVEN DAYS BEFORE, THAT WAS JUST THE WAY IT CAME OUT THROUGH ALL THE MEETINGS AND, AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS IN THE, IN THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY.
UM, I HAVE, I KNOW SOME JURISDICTIONS DON'T SEND IT OUT AT ALL FOR PLANNING COMMISSION.
SOME SEND IT OUT 15 DAYS BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THAT'S USUALLY THE, THE, THE, THE GIST OF IT.
BUT, UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO, TO CHANGE THAT.
UM, IT APPEARS THAT IT FAILED.
UM, SO, UM, TYPICALLY, AND, AND STATE LAW NEVER SAYS CERTIFIED.
WE DID ADD THE CERTIFIED LETTER IN THERE, SO WE HAD THAT TRACE OF IT.
UM, STATE LAW ALSO SAYS FAILURE FOR THEM TO RECEIVE.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT NOT YOUR PROBLEM.
IT'S NOT, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT THAT WAY 'CAUSE I, I I, I, I, IT WAS SET.
YOU DID YOUR PART DIDN'T DO THAT.
IT WAS MENTIONED BY SOME OF THIS, THE, THE, THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE HERE THAT I DIDN'T CARE.
I MEAN, IY Y'ALL KNOW I'VE BEEN HERE AND I CARE.
I JUST FEEL THAT IF WE DON'T, IF WE WANT TO ACTUALLY POST IT, IF WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME HEAR IT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVEN FACTORING IN THE SNAIL MAIL, THAT THEY GET THE NOTICE.
BECAUSE THAT WAS A, THAT, THAT WAS HARD FOR ME TO SWALLOW WHAT I SAW THIS MORNING BECAUSE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ME WITH THE SAME SCENARIO.
AND I, I, IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND THE MONEY TO DO IT, MAYBE WE SHOULD AMEND IT TO, WELL, THE APPLICANT SPENDS THE MONEY OR, OR WHOEVER.
AND, AND WE DID CONFIRM, LIKE WE SAID, THEY WENT OUT LAST TUESDAY.
UM, THE, I WILL SAY IT WAS INCONSISTENT APPARENTLY WHEN
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PEOPLE GOT THINGS BECAUSE WE STARTED GETTING CALLS LAST FRIDAY MORNING ABOUT THIS.SO THE SAME PROJECT, SO THEY WEREN'T ALL DELIVERED AT THE SAME YEAH.
UM, AND I'M, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S RIGHT OR WRONG EITHER.
I JUST WANTED, I WANTED TO, FOR THE RECORD NOTE THAT SOME PEOPLE DID HAVE IT IN ADVANCE BECAUSE WE STARTED GETTING THE CALLS ON FRIDAY MORNING.
I WAS SURPRISED THERE WERE NOT MORE PEOPLE FROM HILTON HEAD LAKES BECAUSE THEY WERE UP IN ARMS. THEY, THEY, I GOT CALLS ALL WEEKEND.
AND, UM, WE GOT CALLS AS KATIE MENTIONED IN THE, IN THE LAST WEEK AND UP THROUGH, EVEN LATE YESTERDAY, WAS STILL ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
THOSE PEOPLE, UM, HOPEFULLY GOT THE ANSWERS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT MOST OF THE QUESTIONS I DID RECEIVE FROM THEM, OR MORE ABOUT THE HOA AND THAT RELATIONSHIP THAN THEY WERE ABOUT THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO I, I GOT CALLED ABOUT WATER FILTER IS TURNING BROWN
IT, IT JUST, AND I SAID, IF YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM, COME TO ME.
OH, I DON'T HAVE, I I DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED.
WELL THEN I'M NOT GOING TO, I'M NOT GONNA GO IN AND TAKE YOUR COMPLAINT BECAUSE IT'S HEARSAY.
WE, UM, WE DO THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR ATTENTION TO ALL OF THIS AND WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
SO DID YOU WELL, WE SURVIVED IT.
I I THOUGHT SOMEONE WAS GONNA TAKE A PUNCH, BUT WELL, LUCKILY WE HAD CHIEF BACK HERE,
HE NORMALLY DOESN'T COME TO OUR MEETINGS.
I WASN'T WORRIED ABOUT THE RESIDENTS I WAS TALKING ABOUT OVER HERE.
ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? I, I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS.
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FIRST OF ALL, I, I WANT TO, UH, COMPLIMENT THE CHAIR ON RUNNING THE MEETING TODAY.I THOUGHT IT WAS A CHALLENGING THING AND I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB.
THE SECOND THING IS, I I I REALLY WANT TO ASSOCIATE MYSELF WITH RICK'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE NOTICE.
UM, YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT? I, I THINK WE SHOULD AMEND THAT SECTION.
THAT'S SECTION 7.2 IN THE MZDO THAT WE JUST GOT A COPY OF HERE.
AS I READ THAT, THERE'S REALLY NO DISCRETION AS TO WHEN TO SEND OUT THAT NOTICE.
IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO SEND OUT, UH, NO LATER THAN SEVEN.
IT, IT, IT NAMES THE DATE SPECIFICALLY.
IT HAS TO BE SENT OUT SEVEN DAYS BEFORE.
I THINK THAT'S, WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE WRITTEN IT THAT WAY, BUT I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT, STAFF SHOULD THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN BE MORE CERTAIN THAT PEOPLE WILL GET NOTICES.
YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS HERE MOST COMMONLY IS THAT WHEN YOU SEND CERTIFIED MAIL, PEOPLE DON'T GET THE MAIL.
THEY GET THE NOTICE OF THE MAIL BECAUSE CERTIFIED REQUIRES A SIGNATURE.
SO THEN THEY TYPICALLY WILL GO TO THE POST OFFICE TO PICK IT UP.
AND WHEN THEY GET TO THE POST OFFICE, THE POST OFFICE WILL BE CLOSED.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE THINGS GET ELONGATED, BUT IT, IT'S NOT, UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT SURPRISING THAT SEVEN DAYS, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE GET IT THE DAY BEFORE OR THE, OR DON'T PICK IT UP UNTIL THE DAY OF.
UM, I, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT, AT HOW WE MIGHT CHANGE THAT TO MAKE IT A DISCRETIONARY SO THAT WE COULD COMPLY AS LONG AS IT WAS SEVEN DAYS IN ADVANCE, BUT ALLOWING FOR A LONGER PERIOD.
WE'LL, CERTAINLY, AND THE, AND THE THIRD THING I WANTED TO MENTION WAS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THIS ONGOING DISCUSSION FOR A VERY LONG TIME ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF SCHEDULING A JOINT MEETING WITH THE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I MEAN, THEY HAVEN'T FOLLOWED UP WITH US.
I GUESS WE HAVEN'T FOLLOWED UP WITH THEM.
AND I'D, I'D LIKE TO REALLY REQUEST THAT BY THE TIME OF OUR NEXT MEETING, THAT WE REACH OUT TO THEM AND TRY TO ARRANGE SOME KIND OF A, UM, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A FORMAL MEETING BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT A, A SEPARATE MEETING WHERE WE COULD SIT AND DISCUSS THINGS WITH THEM.
I HAD THE OCCASION TO ATTEND A, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN RIDGELAND A MONTH AGO, MAYBE SIX WEEKS AGO.
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO ATTEND A DIFFERENT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THEY APPROACHED THINGS IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UM, YOU KNOW, WAY.
AND I THINK IT WOULD, ESPECIALLY WITH US IN THE COUNTY, I THINK THE, THE, THE FIRST ISSUE THIS MORNING ON OUR AGENDA IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE COORDINATED WITH THE COUNTY.
AND, UM, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF WE COULD REACH OUT AND HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, AND THE MAYOR HAD SENT A MESSAGE TO, TO MR. SIPPEL AND I, AND, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ON THE AGENDA TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ARRANGE.
SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT YEARS BACK.
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ALL I'M GONNA SAY.ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO DO ADJOURN.
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