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THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.WE HAVE A QUICK, NICE, NICE LITTLE CROWD FOR A WORKSHOP.
UM, OKAY, WE, THIS IS GONNA BE A WORKSHOP, SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE GONNA SAVE THE NORMAL OPENING UNTIL WE GET TO REGULAR SESSION.
SO, UM, UH, JUST, UH, CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
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A CITY OF HARDY.UM, UH, LEMME HAVE THIS GO FOR A SECOND.
THIS IS A CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP, 2 0 5 MAIN STREET, HARDY V, SOUTH CAROLINA, THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2024 AT 4:00 PM WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA, AND THIS IS SOUTH POINT INFRASTRUCTURE INITIAL MASTER PLAN.
AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. ZIBO.
LET'S GLAD, I'M GLAD TO BE BACK IN GOOD OLD CITY OF
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HARVILLEIF, IF BUCKET LISTS, IF YOU EVER WANNA GO TO GREECE, PUT IT ON YOUR BUCKET LIST.
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN, THAN WHAT IT IS HERE IN GOOD OLD SOUTH CAROLINA, BUT, BUT I DIGRESS.
SO, UM, KATIE, WON'T YOU COME FORWARD? UM, SO I, I THINK THE COUNCIL'S AWARE THIS, THIS ITEM WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL AS WE CHANGED OUR PROCESS HERE YEARS PLUS AGO, THAT, UH, BEFORE FIRST READING ANYTHING OF SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT REQUEST, THE COUNCIL REQUESTED A WORKSHOP TO KIND OF, UH, MORE INFORMALLY REVIEW THE DETAILS BEFORE IT WENT TO FORMAL FIRST READING.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE, MS. KATIE, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
UM, THIS IS THE SOUTH POINT INFRASTRUCTURE INITIAL MASTER PLAN, AND IT IS LOCATED BETWEEN I 95 2 78 AND
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JOHN SMITH ROAD.UM, THE ORIGINALLY A PDD AND INITIAL MASTER PLAN WERE PROPOSED BACK IN MAY OF 22.
UM, A RECOMMENDATION BY PLANNING COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL WITH SOME CONDITIONS RELATED TO PATHWAYS, REMOVAL OF BILLBOARDS AND REMOVAL OF OFF-PREMISE SIGNS WAS GIVEN.
UM, AND THEN IT WENT TO FIRST READING CITY COUNCIL IN JUNE OF 22.
UM, AND IT WAS VOTED THREE TO TWO TO DENY.
AT FIRST READING, THE APPLICANT RESUBMITTED A PDD ONLY WITH NO INITIAL MASTER PLAN.
UM, ADDRESSING CONCERNS RAISED BY COUNCIL IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION IN OCTOBER OF 22, A RECOMMENDATION BY PLANNING COMMISSION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL WITH A CONDITION RELATED TO AN EIGHT FOOT PATHWAY, UM, WAS FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL.
AT THAT TIME, THE VOTE WAS THREE TO ONE TO APPROVE FIRST READING, AND THEN AGAIN, ITS SECOND READING.
IN NOVEMBER, IT WAS VOTED THREE TO ONE TO APPROVE IT.
THE APPLICANT HAS NOW SUBMITTED AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN, THE FIRST INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT UNDER THE APPROVED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
AND THIS IS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE ONLY, ROADWAYS AND UTILITIES.
UM, ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL INITIAL MASTER PLANS FOR THE INDIVIDUAL USERS, UM, ONCE THEY'RE IDENTIFIED FOR THEIR PROJECTS WILL COME IN FOR REVIEW.
THIS, UM, THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED TO CITY COUNCIL BY PLANNING COMMISSION AS PRESENTED FOR APPROVAL.
YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, LOCATION, THE PARCELS ARE RIGHT IN HERE.
YOU HAVE 2 78 I 95, AND JOHN SMITH ROAD.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MAJOR SPINE ROAD, UM, THAT GOES THROUGH THIS AS WELL AS THE UTILITY CONNECTIONS FOR THE FUTURE PROJECTS.
THE APPROVED PDD IS ON THE LEFT HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PROPOSED SPINE ROAD IS IN KEEPING WITH WHAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL PDD FOR THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN HERE, WHICH IS ON THE RIGHT.
THAT'S THE PROPOSED INITIAL MASTER PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY.
THIS IS A SIMILAR PROCESS AS THE EAST URGENT DEVELOPMENT WENT THROUGH BACK, UM, IN MANY YEARS AGO,
JUST AGAIN, THE SPINE ROAD IS NOT ONLY CONSISTENT WITH THE PDD, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN 2022, IT IS ALSO, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THE S-C-D-O-T PLANS FOR IMPROVEMENTS
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IN THE EXIT EIGHT VICINITY.THIS INCLUDES UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, LIKE I STATED BEFORE.
UM, THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REQUIRES CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN PARCELS AS APPROPRIATE.
THIS PROPOSED PLAN PROVIDES VEHICULAR AND CONNECT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY FROM US 2 78 TO JOHN SMITH ROAD.
IT ALSO WILL CREATE THE FIRST PORTION OF A FRONTAGE ROAD THAT WILL CONNECT TO EXIT EIGHT, TO THE MORGAN TRACK, AND ULTIMATELY POTENTIALLY TO THE LATITUDE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY REVIEW PDDS AND DOCUMENT TRANSPORTATION RESPONSIBILITIES AND PROJECTS, AS WELL AS INCREASE COLLABORATION BETWEEN CITY STAFF, DOT, AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ON TRANSPORTATION NEEDS.
THIS HAS BEEN, UM, WORKED IN COORDINATION AS YOU LEARNED AT LAST WEEK'S WORKSHOP, AND AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO BRIAN MCCLURE.
GLAD TO BE BACK HERE IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY.
GOOD SUGGESTION TO HAVE A WORKSHOP.
UM, IT'S MY PARTNER KEVIN FARIO.
I'M BRIAN MCCLURE, AS YOU KNOW.
UM, SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO START BY SAYING, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF UNPRECEDENTED HOW MUCH COOPERATION WE'VE GOTTEN.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS NOW, AND I KNOW THAT SOUNDS CRAZY, BUT WE'RE AT THE 10 YEAR LEVEL AND WE'VE GOTTEN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF, UM, SUPPORT FROM STAFF, OBVIOUSLY OUR CONSULTANTS AND, AND YOU ALL QUITE FRANKLY.
WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT WHERE WE ARE.
UM, AND WE WE'RE GONNA BE AS TRANSPARENT AS WE CAN TONIGHT.
ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS AS YOU HAVE FOR US.
BROUGHT ALL OF OUR CONSULTANTS WITH US, AND I SEE SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, UM, UH, DEVELOPERS HAVE BROUGHT SOME OF THEIR CONSULTANTS AS WELL.
SO IN ANY EVENT, BEFORE I JUST GO ON AND ON, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
THIS IS, THIS IS A, A SIGNIFICANT PROJECT, UH, THAT IT AFFECTS NOT ONLY 2 78 AND JOHN SMITH ROAD.
SO, UM, NORMALLY IN A WORKSHOP.
UM, WE HAVE NO FORMAL, UM, QUESTIONING ROUTINE.
IT'S JUST WHOEVER HAS QUESTIONS.
I ANY, UH, SO WE WILL JUST FOLLOW THAT NORMAL WORKSHOP PROCEDURE.
I JUST ASK THAT WHOEVER WANTS TO TALK WAIT TO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER HAS, UH, FINISHED.
SO, UH, I'LL OPEN UP THE COUNCIL.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? YES, SIR.
UM, THIS WAS ALL APPROVED BEFORE I CAME ON COUNCIL AND I'VE TRIED TO KEEP UP TO DATE WITH AS THIS GOES ALONG, BUT I DO SAY I HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY AFTER HEARING LAST WEEK, THE TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT CAME UP THE INTERSECTION OF JOHN SMITH AND 2 78.
ALL I HEARD OUT OF THAT LAST WEEK WAS A WHAT IFS OR POSSIBLY JOHN SMITH ROAD IS A TWO LANE ROAD.
IT'S GONNA REMAIN A TWO LANE ROAD.
UH, THE BRIDGE OVER 95 IS GONNA BE TWO LANES.
YOUR THE SPINE ROADS THAT I AM SEEING THERE, I SEE THE PRIMARY SPINE ROAD CONNECTS OUT ONTO TWO ONTO JOHN SMITH, THE SECONDARY ROAD.
AM I LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT WHERE IT CONNECTS TO PINE ARBOR TO THE FAR YES.
SO YOUR PRIMARY SPINE ROAD IS GOING TO COME RIGHT OUT ONTO, UH, JOHN SMITH AT A NON INTERSECTION.
IS THAT CORRECT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, MR. ME? YES.
YEAH, THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL BE AN INTERSECTION AT SOME POINT.
BUT UNTIL THE MORGAN TRACK IS DEVELOPED OR SOMETHING COMES ON THAT SIDE, THAT WILL BE A, A PRIMARY ENTRANCE AND EXIT INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND UP ONTO 2 78, UH, AT THE OTHER ONES.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS APPROVED PRIOR, BUT I HAVE GRAVE RES RESERVATIONS THAT WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT, THAT WE ARE GOING TO PUT ON A ROAD THAT NOT ONLY HA HAS SIGNIFICANT, I MEAN SIGNIFICANT DAILY TRAFFIC FOR CONSTRUCTION WORKERS AND, AND EVERYBODY ELSE, SCHOOL BUSES, EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING TO BE ON THAT, ON THAT ROAD.
I JUST DON'T SEE THE SENSE ACTUALLY IN PUTTING IT OUT ONTO A TWO LANE ROAD THAT'S ALREADY APPROACHING A FAILURE POINT AT TIMES OF THE DAY.
AND I DO AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DOES CHOKE DOWN TO A TWO-LANE ROAD AT OVER THE BRIDGE.
AND SO I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I THINK I'LL LET
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THE CONSULTANTS GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.BUT I THINK A LARGE PORTION OF THIS, YOU KNOW, GOES TO FOUR LANE HERE THROUGH HERE, AND I THINK WE'RE AGREEING TO THAT.
AND I THINK THE STUDIES SHOW THAT IT'S NECESSARY AND THEN IT GOES TO A THREE LANE, AND THEN IT GOES DOWN TO A TWO LANE WITH A SIDEWALK.
SO, I MEAN, YOU, YOU DEAL WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE PRESENT AND YOU TRY TO IMPROVE ON THEM.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK ALL OF THE TRAFFIC STUDIES, I THINK WE HAD FOUR DIFFERENT TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS.
I MEAN, WE, WE REALLY HAVE STUDIED IT, BUT THIS SPINE ROAD AND, YOU KNOW, SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS SORT OF THE BEGINNING OF THIS.
THEY'RE DOING MOST OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WE'VE KIND OF INCORPORATED THAT INTO OUR DESIGN.
THIS ACTUALLY PROVIDES A LOT OF RELIEF FOR THE 2 78 CONDITION THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE EVENTUALITY IS THIS SHOULD BE JUST, SHOULD CONTINUE ON TOWARDS MARGARITAVILLE, RIGHT? IS THAT AN ASSUMPTION OR A FACT? UM, WELL I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE ALL TRYING TO CREATE SOME CERTAINTY HERE.
AND SO WE HAVE TO ASSUME SOME THINGS.
I THINK THIS IS THE PROPER SOLUTION AND I THINK THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS WOULD AGREE THAT THAT SHOULD CONTINUE ON.
NOW, I CAN ONLY DO WHAT I CAN DO.
SO WE HAVE PLATTED THIS 'CAUSE WE MADE A COMMITMENT TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE CITY THAT WE WOULD DEDICATE THE, THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE TO THIS, YOU KNOW, TO OUR DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT WILL BE A FOUR-LANE ROAD AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE CAN CONTROL MRS. GUZMAN.
UM, UM, QUESTION I HAVE, DO YOU LIVE AROUND HERE, MR. MCCALL? WELL, YES.
I, I LIVED IN BLUFFTON FOR A WHILE AND NOW I LIVE IN RIDGELAND, SO I'M A JASPER COUNTY RESIDENT.
BUT I SPEND, YOU KNOW, MOST OF MY CAREER IS HERE IN HARDY.
THE LAST, THE REASON I ASKED WAS WHEN WE HAD THAT RECENT STORM WHEN BABY BLEW THROUGH, WERE YOU AWARE OF ALL THE FLOODING THAT WAS TAKING PLACE IN THEN AND AROUND HERE? YES, MA'AM.
SO HOW DO YOU PLAN ON MITIGATING, BECAUSE I MEAN, FROM ALL THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT I SEE COMING, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A SOAP BOX, I'M GOING TO BE ON, NOT JUST WITH YOU, BUT WITH ALL THE DEVELOPERS GOING FORWARD, UM, HOW DO YOU PLAN ON MITIGATING ALL THAT FLOOD WATER THAT'S GOING TO BE PUSHED FROM THOSE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES? IT'S GONNA HAVE TO FIND A PLACE TO GO.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO DISCORD? ALL THAT FLOOD WATERS? SO THE MOST DIFFICULT PART ABOUT DEVELOPING IN THIS REGION IS THE HYDROLOGY.
AND SO I, I AM NOT AN EXPERT, BUT I KNOW THAT WILLIE'S HERE AND CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
AND WE HAVE 100% FACTOR THAT INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND I THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO, TO, TO THE CURRENT CONDITION IF WE DO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
BUT WILLIE I'LL LET YOU TAKE IT FROM THERE.
WILLIE POWELL WITH WARD EDWARDS ENGINEERING, UH, YES, MS. GUZMAN, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'LL DO.
WE HAVE THE, THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN, UM, ALLOCATES STORMWATER PONDS ALONG THE ENTIRETY OF THE ROAD NETWORK.
SO ALL THE ROADS WILL HAVE OUTFALL PONDS, UH, TO ALLOW FOR FLOOD CONTROL, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ACHIEVE STATE LOCAL CITY STANDARDS FOR FLOOD CONTROL BEFORE IT DISCHARGES ANYWHERE OFF OF OUR, OUR PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO THE ROAD NETWORK YOU'RE SEEING DOES NOT SHOW THE INDIVIDUAL POND SYSTEMS THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN PLACE ALONG THAT ENTIRE NETWORK.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU CANNOT SHOW US HOW OR WHERE THAT WATER IS GONNA GO, BUT JUST SAY THAT YOU HAVE THEM ALL THE WORK JUST PLACED SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
SO WE HAVE PLANS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEFORE THE STATE FOR LAND DISTURBANCES PERMIT, AND THOSE PLANS SHOW EXACTLY WHERE THOSE PONDS ARE LOCATED, UH, EXACTLY HOW WE'RE GONNA GET WATER TO THEM AND HOW WATER OUT OF THEM.
SO, SO WHEN THEY'RE BEING DISCOURAGED FROM THE PONDS, WHEN WHEN THE PONDS GET FULL, WHERE IS THAT WATER GOING TO GO EVENTUALLY? WHERE IS THAT WATER GOING TO DISCOURSE? HOW IS IT GOING TO GET OUT? WHERE IS IT GOING TO GET OUT TO? SO THIS, THIS AREA ALL NATURALLY FLOWS LOOKING AT THE SCREEN LEFT TO RIGHT, UM, KIND OF THROUGH THE DARKER GREEN AREAS ARE ALL WETLAND SYSTEMS. AND SO IT FLOWS KIND OF WEST TO RIGHT.
AND THEN ACTUALLY IF YOU GO ACROSS 2 78, THERE'S A BRIDGE ON 2 78 AND THAT, THAT FLOWS UNDERNEATH THAT BRIDGE INTO THE GREAT SWAMP AND THEN WORK ITS WAY BACK AROUND AGAIN.
SO GOING UNDER THAT BRIDGE, HOW, HOW BIG, OKAY, HERE'S WHY I AM, I'M, I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS FLOODING BECAUSE WE ALL SAW WHAT IT DID TO PINE ABO AND A LOT OF THOSE HOMES WENT UNDER WATER.
AND MY CONCERN IS WITH ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT'S COMING UP, ALL THAT IMPERIOUS SURFACE, ALL THAT WATER NEEDS TO GO SOMEWHERE.
SO HOW BIG IS THAT BRIDGE THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THIS WATER IS EVENTUALLY GOING TO DIS
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GORGE ITSELF AND THEN OUT INTO THE GREAT SWAMP? WHERE, WHERE IS THIS BRIDGE AT? SO THE, THE BRIDGE THAT'S EXISTING WITH DOT IS, IS RIGHT ACROSS THAT AREA RIGHT THERE.SO YOU SEE DARK GREEN TOUCHES, UM, US 2 78, THAT'S WHERE THE EXISTING BRIDGE STRUCTURE IS, UM, THAT'S THERE.
AND SO ALL OF OUR WATER WILL STAY WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF OUR PROPERTY BEFORE DISCHARGING INTO THAT EXISTING WETLAND SYSTEM.
AND ALL OF OUR PONDS HAVE BEEN DESIGNED TO WITHSTAND, UH, AT LEAST A HUNDRED YEAR DESIGN STORM BEFORE THE EVER OVERTOP.
AND SO WE SAW WITH DEBBIE, UM, SWITCHING PROBABLY A HUNDRED TO A 500 YEAR RAINFALL EVENT OVER THAT, THAT KIND OF THREE DAY PERIOD.
SO OUR PONDS ARE DESIGNED, UM, IN ADVANCE OR IN, IN ADDITION TO STATE LAW, UH, AND CITY REQUIREMENTS TO WITHSTAND A HUNDRED YEAR DESIGN STORM INSIDE THE POND STRUCTURE ITSELF.
AND ALL THE ROADS ARE SET HIGHER THAN THAT, THAN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER HAPPENS DOWN THE ROAD, THOSE BUSINESSES AND HOMES WOULD BE THEN SET ABOVE THAT AS WELL.
AND, AND THE REASON I ASK WAS I LIVE IN HILTON HEAD LAKES.
AND WE HAVE A CONSTRUCTION ROAD THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED BY THE DEVELOPER THAT KIND OF SORT OF MADE A BRIDGE THAT BLOCKED A PART OF THE LAKES.
AND WE, DURING THIS STORM, A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES WERE GOT FLOODED BECAUSE THE, THE DISGORGE AREA WAS A VERY, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THIS PIPE IS, BUT IT COULDN'T HANDLE THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WAS COMING DOWN THE PIKE.
AND, AND SO ALL THAT WATER, ALL THAT RAIN, ALL THAT WATER COMING OFF STORM WATER OFF ALL THESE SURFACES WAS GETTING DUMPED INTO THAT LAKE AND FROM THAT LAKE INTO THE BIG LAKE, INTO THE BIG LAKE ACROSS THE STREET TO MARGARITAVILLE AND THEN INTO THE DEEP SWAN.
I HAVE PICTURES ON MY PHONE, UH, AND I CAN'T PUT IT UP THERE BECAUSE I WOULD'VE SHOWN YOU HOW THE WATER GOT INTO PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES.
GRANTED, IT'S A SLOPE AND IT WOULD'VE TAKEN A LOT MORE RAIN TO GET IT IN PEOPLE'S HOMES.
BUT THE CONCERN WAS THERE ABOUT THE FLOODING, AND THIS IS WHAT BOTHERS ME.
YOU'RE USING THAT SMALL BRIDGE AREA THERE FOR ALL THAT PROPERTY AND ALL THAT DARK GREEN AREA TO DUMP ALL THAT STORM WATER THAT'S GONNA COME FROM ALL THOSE DEVELOPMENTS DOWN UNDER THAT BRIDGE.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS WILL ALL OF OUR POND SYSTEMS WILL BE INSIDE THE UPLAND AREAS AND WE'LL HAVE ALL THE CONTROLS ON THE UPLAND AREAS.
WE ACTUALLY WILL TAKE DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY AWAY TO DO ALL THAT.
SO BEFORE WATER EVER DISCHARGES OUT OF THOSE PONDS INTO THE WELLING SYSTEM, IT HAVE ALREADY ACHIEVED THE A HUNDRED YEAR DESIGN STORM.
IT'LL HAVE ALREADY ACHIEVED ALL THE WATER QUALITY REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, BE BECAUSE WE CAN'T EXCEED THOSE REQUIREMENTS, WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE LESS WATER FLOWING THROUGH THAT SYSTEM AND UNDERNEATH THAT BRIDGE GOING, UH, TO THE GREAT SWAMP THAN WE DO NOW 'CAUSE OF STATE LAW AND THE CITY REQUIREMENTS FOR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
LEMME HAVE IT IF THAT ADD A LITTLE SOMETHING TO, TO THE PROCESS FOR THAT ONE THING TO REMEMBER.
THIS IS AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN AND RIGHT.
AND, AND WE ARE NOT GETTING INTO ALL OF THE DETAILS, BUT SINCE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU LIVE IN, UM, WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED AND, AND STARTED TO NOW OUR PROCESSES, OUR REQUIREMENTS, OUR ORDINANCES AS WELL AS SOME OF THE STATE LAWS AND EVERYTHING HAVE CERTAINLY CHANGED.
AND THROUGH OUR, THROUGH OUR SRC PROCESS THAT KATIE AND, AND THE REST OF STAFF ARE, ARE WORK REALLY DILIGENTLY ON, THEY CAN'T CREATE THOSE PROBLEMS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE REFERRING TO, UM, ON THAT WAS A VERY UNUSUAL SITUATION IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE ARE CERTAINLY IN THAT, IN WHAT'S GOING ON IN PINE ARBOR.
I KNOW MR. BROWN IS, IS DOING A LOT OF WORK ON THOSE AS WELL.
BUT TO ASSURE YOU THAT THIS MASTER PLAN, UM, CAN'T ANSWER ALL THOSE QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY ARE DESIGNING THINGS TO MAKE THAT WORK.
AND WE WILL MAKE SURE IT GOES THROUGH A PROCESS TO GO THROUGH AND GET STATE APPROVAL AS WELL AS SO ISN'T THAT ALL CONSIDERED PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THOUGH? IT IS PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THE BUT AT THIS LEVEL YOU HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T DONE EVERY BIT OF ENGINEERING.
THIS IS JUST TO SHOW WHERE, HOW IT'S GOING TO BE CONCEPTUALLY AND GIVE YOU THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.
UM, USUALLY YOU DON'T SEE A MASTER PLAN JUST FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, AS KATIE MENTIONED, YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT FOR OTHER THINGS.
UM, BUT WITH THESE IMPORTANT ROADS, WE DID THE SAME THING WITH E SERGEANT, UM, PARKWAY.
WE DID A, A MASTER PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE ROAD UP FRONT SO THAT WE CAN PUT EVERYTHING IN PLACE AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING AND THE OTHER MASTER PLANS CAN THEN FEED INTO THAT.
SO WE'RE DOING IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE IT IS AN IMPORTANT ROAD.
SO, SO I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE OF THIS PROJECT, WE'RE GOING TO WIDEN IT WELL INTO FULL LANES.
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A LOT OF TREES ARE GOING TO BE CUT ALONGSIDE JOHN SMITH.WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT, IS THAT THE CORRECT, YEAH.
YOU KNOW KEVIN, WHO HATES TO CUT A TREE DOWN, LET ME LET HIM ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UM, THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH ALONG JOHN SMITH ROAD, IT TAPERS, IT STARTS OUT REALLY WIDE AT JOHN SMITH ROAD IN 2 78.
IT'S ABOUT 150 FEET WIDE AND IT TAPERS DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO 130 FEET WIDE, CARRIES FURTHER.
AND RIGHT, RIGHT ABOUT WHERE YOU SEE THE SPINE ROAD, RIGHT IN THIS AREA, IT, IT TAPERS DOWN TO 90 AND THEN ULTIMATELY DOWN TO 75.
SO, UM, AND THAT WAS THROUGH DOT ACQUISITIONS OVER THE YEARS.
SO THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF RIGHT OF WAY THERE EXISTING TO ACCOMMODATE THE, THE WIDEN PART, WHICH IS GONNA BE MORE TOWARDS JOHN SMITH ROAD, WHICH IS GONNA, UM, AGAIN, PRESERVE THE, THE BUFFERS AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE A 50 FOOT BUFFER.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO IF, IF RIGHT OF WAY IS NEEDED, IT'LL BE MINIMAL AND IT'LL BE MOSTLY KIND OF TOWARDS THIS, THIS AREA, UM, IF NEEDED.
BUT THE IDEA IS TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THE TREES AS POSSIBLE.
AGAIN, THE PLAN IS TO HAVE A, A PATHWAY, A MULTIPURPOSE PATH THAT WEAVES IN THE TREES AS WELL.
UM, AND YOU, ROYAL OAKS IS PROBABLY A GOOD EXAMPLE.
UM, WHEN YOU PASS ROYAL LIVE OAKS, UH, ROYAL OAKS, THEY'VE GOT A 25 FOOT BUFFER.
UM, AND I THINK THEY HAD TO DO SOME UTILITY WORK.
SO YOU KIND OF SEE WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MORE SUBSTANTIAL BUFFER THAN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TRANSITION.
IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA LOOK GOOD.
AND THEN, YEAH, THEY TOOK THE TREES DOWN AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO MY BABY.
JUST LITTLE BY LITTLE IN THE NAME OF DEVELOPMENT, WE KEEP TAKING THE SCENIC ROADS DOWN AND CUTTING ALL THESE TREES AND CUTTING ALL THESE TREES AND CUTTING ALL THESE TREES.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GO TO REPLACE THEM, YOU REPLACE THEM WITH, WITH, WITH SAPLINGS THAT TAKE YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS TO, TO COME BACK TO BUILD THE TREE CANOPY THAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
UH, AND ALL IN THE NAME OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO I, I MEAN IT'S, AND UH, THAT FLOODING ISSUE BOTHERS ME BIG TIME.
SO MS. GUZMAN, I MIGHT ADD JUST ON THE TREES THAT THE, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE ANY TREES.
I THINK IT'S LESS THAN EIGHT INCHES, UH, IN DIAMETER DOWN, UH, ESPECIALLY IN THE BUFFERS.
MISSTATED THAT, AND MAYBE KATIE WILL CORRECT ME, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE OBLIGATED TO KEEP THE BUFFERS NATURAL, THE SUPPLEMENT WHERE THERE IS NO VEGETATION OR TO ENHANCE IT AND TO, TO, UM, ENHANCE SCREENING.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE CITY STAFF KEEPS US, YOU KNOW, HONEST ON THOSE AREAS.
IF I MAY ASK A QUESTION REGARDING THE, THE BUFFER AREAS, UM, UTILITIES MAY ALSO ALSO RUN THROUGH THAT AREA.
TREES WILL BE REMOVED FOR THE, THE UTILITY IN THERE.
UM, THAT CHANGES WHAT MS. UZMAN ISN'T ALLUDING TO.
I UNDERSTAND THOSE TREES MAY HAVE TO COME DOWN FOR THE UTILITIES THAT COME THROUGH THERE, THAT'S NOT ON YOU.
IS THERE ANY PLAN TO INCREASE THE BUFFER BACK INTO YOUR PROPERTY IF THAT OCCURS? YOU MENTIONED THE OIL, LIVE OAKS AND THAT WAS A CASE WHERE THROUGH MISCOMMUNICATION, TREES WERE TAKEN DOWN, BUT THEY CANNOT BE REPLACED BECAUSE UTILITIES RIGHT.
WE DON'T WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN.
AGAIN, WE HAVE THE CHANCE HERE TO, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY YOU WANT THEIR UTILITIES RUN IN PERPENDICULAR TO THE BUFFERS AND THAT THAT'S THE PLAN.
UM, AGAIN, ROYAL OAKS COULD BE A DIFFERENT STORY.
IT DID SEEM LIKE THEY WERE KIND OF HAVING TO RUN PARALLEL, WHICH IS NOT IDEAL, BUT CORRECT.
ALL ALL UTILITIES THAT ARE, THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR, UM, BRINGING THEM TO, UH, THE ROADWAYS ARE ALL WITHIN THE RIGHTS OF WAY OF JOHN SMITH ROAD.
UM, OR COMING, COMING DOWN THE RIGHTS OF WAY OF OUR INTERNAL ROADWAY RIGHTS.
SO WE'RE, WE HAVE, UH, LIKE A HUNDRED FOOT RIGHT OF WAY FOR THAT SPINE ROAD, UH, GOING FROM JOHN SMITH TO 2 78.
AND, AND THAT WAS THOUGHT TO BE THAT WIDE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE, THE LINEAGE, ALSO THE, THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY AND THEN ALSO THE UTILITIES.
AND SO THAT, UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO EASEMENTS THAT ARE IN PLACE ALONG THAT, THAT UM, RIGHT OF WAY CORRIDOR AS WELL TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE THINGS.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO THE BEST WE CAN FACTOR THOSE THINGS IN ON THE FRONT END.
SO ANY OF THOSE ROADS ARE GOING TO ALIGN WITH PINE ABA OR WHICH ONE'S GOING TO ALIGN WITH PINE ABA? THIS IS RIGHT HERE, THIS ROAD, UM, I THINK WE CALL IT ROAD B MM-HMM.
AND, AND THE, THE RECENT DISCUSSIONS WITH DOT AND THE THOUGHT IS THAT PERHAPS THAT BECOMES A, A, A ROUNDABOUT, A SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT, UM, JUST TO AID IN, IN, IN, IN TRAFFIC FLOW.
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OKAY.AND AND YOU SAID THOSE DARK GREEN AREAS ARE THE WETLANDS, ARE WETLANDS, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? CORRECT.
THE DARK GREEN, ANY OF ANY ONE OF THOSE THAT ARE JURISDICTIONAL OR ARE THEY JUST REGULAR WETLANDS THAT YOU CAN FILL IN AND DO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO IN THE AIR? UH, THERE'S, MOST OF THESE ARE, ARE, ARE JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS.
SO WHICH MEANS YOU CANNOT FILL OR BUILD ON THEM.
UH, WE'VE HAD, WE HAVE A, A PERMIT IN FOR THESE ROAD CROSSINGS AND FOR OTHER AREAS WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO NIP A FEW WETLANDS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF FIT RETAIL IN AND SO FORTH.
JUST TRADITIONAL TYPE MITIGATION EFFORTS.
UM, YOU ASKED ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, I WAS GOING BACK VAL UP WITH THE, UM, OH, WHEN YOU WERE REFERRING TO THE, UM, RETENTION PONDS, UM, MY QUESTION WAS GONNA BE, ARE THESE REPENT RETENTION PONDS ON, ON NORMAL CONDITIONS AND WHAT HAPPENS IF WE HAVE ANOTHER DEBBIE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? BUT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING WAS THAT YOU WERE DESIGNING THAT RETENTION POND FOR LIKE A HUNDRED YEAR OR MORE FLOOD, CORRECT? YES SIR.
AND, UH, I THINK ANOTHER UM, ISSUE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER IT OR NOT, BUT ANOTHER ISSUE HAD COME UP WITH THE, UM, PROBLEMS ON POND, ARBOR ROAD.
MR. BROWN HAS UH, TALKED TO US AND THEN HE WAS ALSO ON, UH, PART OF THE ROAD THIS WEEK.
UM, THE ISSUE HAS COME THAT, UH, IS NOT SO MUCH THE, UM, LAY OF THE, THE FLOW OF THE LAND, BUT THE SIZE OF THE, UH, DIAMETER OF THE PIPE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIAMETER OF THE PIPE IS THAT YOU'RE DESIGNING, BUT HE WAS TELLING ME I THINK THAT IT WAS LIKE A 30 INCH DIAMETER SOMETHING AND HE SAID THAT WAS REALLY NOT ADEQUATE ENOUGH, EVEN THOUGH THE LAND WAS FLOWING WHEN IT GOT TO THE PIPE, IT WAS BACKING BACK UP 'CAUSE IT JUST WASN'T DESIGNED FOR THAT TYPE OF VOLUME.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CAN ANSWER TO THAT BECAUSE WHAT MS. GUZ GUZMAN IS SAYING IS, UM, THIS'LL HAPPEN AGAIN.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED YEARS EITHER.
AND WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT HURRICANE COMES IN THIS YEAR.
AND THAT WAS NOT EVEN A HURRICANE.
THAT WAS THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
THAT WAS JUST THE TROPICAL STORM.
SO, UM, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS I HOPE THAT Y'ALL HAVE THE ADEQUATE, NOT ONLY FOR THE RETENTION PONDS, BUT THESE PIPES AND STUFF BECAUSE THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW IN POND
WE WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF EVERYTHING.
ANY KIND, WE HAVE A, A WATER CROSSING.
UM, THE CITY IS GONNA REQUIRE A MINIMUM 25 YEAR, WE'LL SEE MORE LIKE A HUNDRED TO 500 YEARS FOR THESE LARGER CROSSING SYSTEMS THAT ENSURE THAT THERE'S NOT ANY KIND OF, OF BACKING UP OF THOSE, UH, FLOW WEIGHS.
AND, UM, THE FINE ROAD, UM, WHEN WE HAD, UH, ORIGINALLY THOUGHT WHAT WAS A COUPLE TIME FLIES A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
NOW THIS SPINE ROAD WAS, UM, ONE OF THE BIG POINTS THAT YOU HAD, UM, ALLUDED TO.
NOW THIS WILL TAKE SOME OF THE VOLUME OFF OF JOHN SMITH, CORRECT? YES SIR.
A A LOT OF THE VOLUME OFF OF JOHN SMITH.
AND DIRECT IT BACK INTO, UM, WHEN YOU SAY BY UM, MCDONALD'S OR SOMETHING BACK.
SO THEY, THEY'VE MOVED THE INTERSECTION FROM MCDONALD'S ABOUT 800 FEET HERE.
THAT'S GONNA BE THE NEW STARTING POINT OR THE FIRST INTERSECTION OFF OF, UH, I 95 WILL BE RIGHT THERE.
SO, SO YES TO YOUR, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK YOU WERE GOING, IT DOES RELIEVE SOME PRESSURE ON 2 78 AND JOHNSON, THE POINTS THAT I REMEMBERED YOU HAD SAID.
UM, I, MY COMMENT IS MAYBE JUST A BROADER COMMENT AND THAT IS THAT, EXCUSE ME, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK ABOUT WHAT EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THE FLOODING AT STATE LEVEL ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OUR COUNCIL AND OTHERS, AND YOU HAVE FUTURE HOMEOWNERS.
THIS IS NOT A TIME TO GET A 51 49, YOU KNOW, SOLUTION.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THESE 90 TENS AND THAT YOU GO OVERBOARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T BECOME A CONCERN THAT'S HANDLED BY, GEE, WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE OR THIS OR THAT.
AND SO YOUR REPUTATION IS A GOOD ONE.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE'S A, THIS ISN'T A A F 51 49, THIS IS LIKE A 90 10 GO OVERBOARD AND REALLY GET THIS THING,
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UH, THE WAY IT SHOULD BE FOR THESE FUTURE OWNERS AND YOUR REPUTATION PRIMARILY.AND UH, AND I THINK YOU THINK THAT WAY, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT'S THE ASSUMPTION I'M HOLDING AS I LISTEN TO WHAT YOU SAY AND I BELIEVE YOU, BUT ALSO THIS IS A, A BIG ISSUE THAT HAS TO GO OVERBOARD, SO TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE, NO PUN INTENDED.
YEAH, I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR AND I, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT I THINK WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT WILLIE IS SAYING IS THE CON THE CONDITIONS AFTER DEVELOPMENT WILL BE BETTER THAN THEY ARE TODAY.
AND I MEAN, IS THAT A TRUE STATEMENT? YES SIR.
I MEAN THAT I, YOU KNOW, I'M TAKING HIM ON HIS WORD AND, BUT WE HEARD, HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR ON THAT.
WE NEED TO IMPROVE WHAT WE'VE GOT.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, WE HEARD LAST WEEK FROM THE STUDY THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A COOPERATIVE, UH, SPLIT OF THE COST TO FIX THE JOHN SMITH 2 78 INTERSECTION.
IS THAT TRUE? WE IS, IS THAT, DO WE HAVE A SIGNED BINDING MOU TO THAT EFFECT TO ALL THE PARTIES THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THAT MR. MAYOR? YEAH, I CAN ANSWER THAT.
SO, SO YOU, YOU, YOU GOT THE RESULT.
IT'S NOT THE FINAL STUDY, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE COST OF IMPROVEMENTS.
WE DID HAVE IDENTIFIED WHOSE PERCENTAGE OF SHARE FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS BASED ON THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
AND ALL FOUR PARTIES HAVE AGREED TO PAY THE COST, THEIR SHARE OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO JOHN SMITH AND 2 78.
AND WHEN YOU SAY JOHN SMITH AND 2 78, FROM WHAT WE HEARD LAST WEEK, THAT'S THIS INTERSECTION.
WHO PAYS FOR THE 4, 3 2 THAT WAS JUST DESCRIBED? YEAH.
SO WHICH ONES, OH, HANG ON, WHAT DID I DO WRONG? UHOH, GET BACK THERE, KEVIN.
HERE, WHERE IS FOUR, THREE AND TWO, WHICH THAT ONE, WELL YOU, YOU SAID THAT IT WAS GOING GO FOUR THREE TO TWO TO FOUR LANES TO THREE TO TWO TO ONE.
SO ALL OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE, ARE, ARE A MORGAN TRACK AND A SOUTH POINT, UM, SPLIT.
AND BUT THE 2 78 JOHN SMITH INTERSECTION, THERE IS A, IS A THREE PARTY AGREEMENT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A SIGNED BINDING MOU YET.
AND, AND NOT THAT, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT CONSENSUS AND I THINK THAT THAT JUST WILL PARALLEL PROCESS THAT THROUGHOUT.
SO, BUT YOU GOT OUR WORD THERE THAT WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM AND DEVELOPING COSTS AND, AND WE, TO YOUR POINT, MR. MESMAN, WE THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S MERITED.
I MEAN IT MAKES SENSE THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS, THAT'S THE WELL AND NOTHING, UH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT TOO.
NOTHING, NONE OF THIS HAPPENS IN SIX MONTHS.
I MEAN, THIS IS A THREE TO 10 YEAR PROJECT IF, IF EVERYTHING GOES AS PLANNED.
SO I THINK, UM, WE'RE GONNA DEPEND ON STAFF TO TRY TO KEEP US HONEST THERE.
BUT IT'S, IT IS SEQUENCED AND THOSE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE TO BE DONE.
SO EVERYTHING FUNCTIONS SAFELY FOR THOSE COS TO BE GIVEN.
LET HIM FINISH HIS QUESTIONS FIRST.
UM, NOW THIS ROAD, THIS SPINE ROAD AND THIS SPINE ROAD, WHEN DOES THAT GET DONE? SO WELL, LET'S SEE.
THE FIRST PART IS A, THE DEPARTMENT, GOSH DARN IT FOR THAT.
AND I KNOW WE'RE RUNNING OUTTA TIME.
THIS FIRST PART HERE, SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE WAY TO ABOUT YEAH, WE, WE KNOW THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SPINE ROADS IN HERE.
WHO THIS ONE I WAS REFERRING TO.
SO THIS PART RIGHT HERE, HERE, WE, WE ARE GONNA DO THAT AS SOON AS WE BEGIN DEVELOPING THESE TWO PROJECTS HERE.
OKAY? SO THIS WILL NOT CARRY ALL THE WAY THROUGH UNTIL KEVIN, WOULD YOU, CAN YOU EXTRAPOLATE WHEN THAT WOULD BE DONE? BECAUSE UNTIL WE BEGIN THIS PROCESS HERE, WE PROBABLY WON'T FINISH THE MIDDLE PORTION, BUT WE'LL PLOT THAT.
SO THIS SO, AND RECORD THAT THE, IF I, IF I RECALL FROM TWO YEARS AGO, YOUR PLAN IS TO PUT IN WHAT? 600 HOMES IN HERE? UH, THAT NO, NOT THAT, THAT SECTION I THINK HAS, UH, APPROVAL FOR 300 HOMES, 300.
IT'S 1400 BETWEEN ALL THESE HERE, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
SO IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST GOAL, AND I REMEMBER THAT FROM TWO YEARS AGO, YOUR STATEMENT THAT THIS IS GOING TO TAKE PRESSURE OFF OF JOHN SMITH ROAD IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
WHEN WOULD YOU DO THIS? WHEN THIS COMMERCIAL IS DONE? WHEN WE GET THE WETLAND PERMIT AS WELL.
SO YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS SPINE ROAD IS GONNA BE DONE BEFORE THESE HOMES? WELL, I MEAN IT'S, I THINK IT'LL BE DONE IN PARALLEL WITH THAT.
I MEAN, AGAIN, STAFF'S GONNA KEEP US HONEST ON THAT, BUT IT'S, FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENTS TO FUNCTION WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE THAT ROAD IN.
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FIRST 300 HUMPS? THE FIRST 300 WOULD NOT, WELL, I'LL ACTUALLY DO BETTER JUST POINTING AT IT.THE FIRST 300 WILL, WILL REQUIRE US TO BUILD UP TO ABOUT THIS POINT.
OKAY? BECAUSE WE'VE CREATED A ROAD TO KIND OF HAVE THIS INTERCONNECTIVITY ALL THE WAY TO OUR RETAIL.
SO WE WILL BUILD THIS WHEN THIS IS BUILT.
SO YOU'RE JUST GONNA BUILD THIS ONE LITTLE PART OF THE ROAD RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE GONNA PUT 300 HOMES IN HERE.
AND WHERE ARE WE WITH THE RETAIL HERE? WHERE, WHERE DO YOU STAND? WELL, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GETTING, WHEN WE WERE DESIGNED AND READY TO DO IT, THIS HAS BEEN OUR FIRST PRIORITY.
AND WHEN YOU SAY LITTLE PART, THIS IS ABOUT 500 FEET.
AND IF, I MEAN, AGAIN, IF THIS IS NECESSARY, WE'LL BUILD IT.
I JUST POINT BEING, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY WHEN THIS IS BUILT, BUT IF IT IS, WELL, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BUILDING IT IF IT'S NECESSARY AND WE'LL BUILD IT.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS BEING BUILT AND TAKING THE PRESSURE OFF OF JOHN SMITH ROAD.
NOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE'RE GONNA BUILD THIS, WE'RE GONNA PUT 300 HOMES, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE ROAD UP TO HERE AND ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME ON TO JOHN SMITH ROAD UNTIL MAYBE THIS GETS DONE.
SO WHERE ARE WE WITH, IF I RECALL FROM TWO YEARS AGO, THIS IS ALL SUPPOSED TO BE COMMERCIAL.
WHERE DO WE STAND WITH THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT UP HERE? WELL, I MEAN, IT'S TRACKING EXACTLY AS WE, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED.
WELL, BUT, BUT WHAT I'M ASKING IS, UH, TRACKING, ARE WE GONNA HAVE THIS IN ONE YEAR, TWO YEARS, 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS? I MEAN, SO TO TELL YOU, WE'VE GOT LETTERS OF INTENT FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
I MEAN DIFFERENT, UH, RETAILERS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GET SORT OF THIS MASTER PLAN APPROVED PRIOR TO BEING ABLE TO, WE HAVE COPIES OF THOSE LETTERS OF INTENT.
WE, WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO BRING THOSE AREAS BACK IN.
THIS MASTER PLAN IS JUST FOR THE ROADWAY.
NO, BUT HERE, BUT HERE THE ROADWAY WILL NOT GET DONE UNLESS COMMERCIAL IS HERE.
WE SAT HERE IN THIS VERY ROOM IN MARCH, 2017 AND TALKED ABOUT 72 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AT MARGARITAVILLE.
WE DON'T E WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO PUTTING IN A, A COFFEE SHOP IN THAT 72 ACRES.
SO THE PROMISE OF COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS GOING TO STIMULATE THE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS ROAD, I THINK IT'S PERSONAL, MY OPINION, DO THIS AND THEN COME BACK WITH THIS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WAS THE ENTICEMENT TO DO THIS ENTIRE PDD.
BECAUSE AS YOU RECALL, IN JUNE WHEN THIS JUST CAME TO IN FRONT OF THIS COUNCIL, IT WAS REJECTED THREE TO TWO.
ONLY WHEN THIS WAS ADDED TO IT WITH THE PROMISE THAT IT WOULD BE COMMERCIAL WAS THAT IT CHANGED THE VOTE.
THERE WERE, THE VOTES WERE CHANGED BECAUSE OF THIS.
SO I'M SAYING BASED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS COMMUNITY, WE NEED COMMERCIAL A HECK OF A LOT MORE THAN WE NEED HOMES.
WE HAVE 15,000 HOMES, MASTER PLAN, WE GOT PLENTY OF HOMES.
WE DON'T HAVE, WE HAVE TWO NEW HOTELS OVER THERE AND THE BEST PLACE THEY CAN GO FOR 10 MILES IS TACO BELL ACROSS THE STREET.
AND THEY COULD HAVE PLENTY OF COFFEE AT STARBUCKS IN THE MORNING UP UNTIL 10.
YEAH, FUZZIES CLOSE F YEAH, FUZZIES IS EVEN GONE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN GO 15 MILES INTO BLUFFTON AND GO TO SOMEPLACE.
BUT THE POINT IS THIS, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE PROMISES MADE, BRING US THE COMMERCIAL AND THEN BRING US THE RESIDENTIAL.
NUMBER ONE, YOU HEARD ABOUT THE FLOODING.
NUMBER TWO, YOU HEARD ABOUT THE ROAD AND YOU'RE ONLY GONNA BUILD UP TO HERE WHEN THOSE 300 HOMES GO IN THERE.
AND SO YOU HAVE TWO VERY GOOD REASONS WHY THIS WE SHOULD DEVELOP UP HERE AND THEN THAT WILL PAY FOR THAT SPINE ROAD AND THEN COME BACK DOWN HERE.
'CAUSE JOHN SMITH ROAD IS ALREADY, AS WE HEARD LAST WEEK, A FAILING ROAD, THIS INTERSECTION.
THERE'S ANOTHER, THERE'S ANOTHER FACTOR GOING ON HERE.
WE HAVE A TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX TO WIDEN 2 78.
IT'S GONNA HAVE A BIG IMPACT PACKED ON WHETHER OR NOT
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THAT INTERSECTION AT 2 78 AND JOHN SMITH ROAD EVEN COMES CLOSE TO FILLING INTO THE WIDENING.I'M NOT SURE WE SHOULD BE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT ROADS BEFORE THAT TRANSPORTATION SALES, IF THAT FAILS, WE'RE, WE'RE SUNK, WE'RE SUNK THE WHOLE LENGTH OF 2 78.
AND ALL WE'RE GONNA DO IS, IS CREATE TROUBLE FOR JOHN SMITH ROAD BECAUSE THIS ROAD'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN UNTIL WE GET THAT COMMERCIAL UP THERE.
SO MA'AM, LET ME JUST RESPOND AND SAY THAT THE, THE MAIN ENTRANCE, THE REASON WE CAN'T DEVELOP THIS AREA RIGHT NOW IS WE NEED TO WAIT FOR DOT TO FINISH THEIR, THEIR ROAD PROJECT.
THEY'RE BUILDING THIS FIRST LEG THAT IS FOUR YEARS, KEVIN.
AND IF WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR DOT, YOU HAVE TO WAIT TOO.
TO DUMP ON 300 MORE HOMES AND THEN YOU'VE GOT 1400 HOMES THAT YOU'RE RIGHT NOW UNTIL YOU FIND COMMERCIAL UP THERE, ALL THOSE ARE GONNA DUMP INTO JOHN SMITH ROAD AND IT'S ALREADY FAILING.
WELL, AS BRIAN SAID THAT WE, WE DO HAVE A MIXED USE.
WE HAVE COMMERCIAL RIGHT IN THIS AREA.
THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE BROUGHT ONLINE DURING THAT FIRST, FIRST PHASE, THAT FIRST PORTION.
IF YOU HAVE LETTERS OF INTENT, PLEASE SHOW THEM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE OLD SAYING, SHOW ME THE MONEY.
IF WE DON'T HAVE THE COMMERCIAL UP TOP THERE, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TROUBLE GETTING THAT ROAD IN.
AND WE SEE IT AT EAST SERGEANT, EAST SERGEANT WAS, WAS APPROVED SEVEN YEARS AGO TOO.
THAT ROAD'S NOT GONNA BE FINISHED UNTIL, AND THE, THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ARE 2 78, 4 YEARS AWAY, FOUR YEARS AWAY.
THAT'S DOT SCHEDULE THAT, THAT, THAT INTERSECTION WILL NOT BE CHANGED.
SO ALL THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
YOU'RE GOING TO START CLEARING THE TREES.
YOU'RE GONNA PUT THAT, THAT 300 HOMES IN THERE AND YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE JOHN SMITH ROAD A MESS.
SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING TO THIS COUNCIL AND TO YOU TAKE CARE OF IT, WAIT AND, AND COME BACK WITH THIS LATER THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF HALT ON THIS UNTIL A, WE KNOW THE REFERENDUM'S GONNA PASS AND B WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL DONE.
AND SEE, WE HAVE THE INTERSECTION UP AT, AT EXUDATE COMPLETE AND THERE'S ANOTHER, I'M SORRY, SUBSTANTIAL REASON WHY THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IS PUTTING A STRAIN ON THIS CITY.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE WATER AND SEWER TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, MORE HOMES.
AND THAT'S FROM B-J-W-S-A AND, AND ALL THE, THE BOTTLES OF BROWN WATER THAT I'M, I'M GETTING FROM ALL OVER THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
I THINK MY PROPOSAL TO THIS COUNCIL IS THAT WE PUT A STOP UNTIL A, THE FIRST THING THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX RESULTS COME IN NOVEMBER, IT'S TWO MONTHS AWAY.
AND NUMBER TWO THAT WE HAVE SOME DEFINITE RESPONSES, DEFINITE COMMITMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL UP BY, UH, 2 78.
WHEN I SAY COMMERCIAL, I DON'T MEAN ANOTHER STORAGE CENTER ON JOHN SMITH ROAD BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF IT TOO, ISN'T IT? UH, YES SIR, IT IS.
AND YOU'VE BEEN PRIVY TO SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SOME RETAIL THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE, RIGHT? AND SO YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT SOME OF THIS STUFF THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT I CAN'T REALLY EXPRESS HERE, BUT, AND I'M ALSO ON THE HOSPITAL BOARD, YOU REALIZE THAT NOVANT DIDN'T BUY THAT JUST TO KEEP IT A SMALL COMMUNITY HOSPITAL.
THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD THINGS HAPPENING THAT IF WE DO STOP AND AND FOLLOW YOUR SUGGESTION REALLY DOES PUT A HALT ON SO MUCH PROGRESS HERE IN HARDY V OKAY? AND WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT SEWER, THERE'S A SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR SEWER PROJECT THAT NEIL PARSONS HAS WORKED VERY HARD ON TO GET CONSENSUS.
WE HAVE EIGHT DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS THAT HAVE ALL AGREED TO SHARE IN THAT COST.
UM, AND I THINK THE CITY'S ACTUALLY AGREED TO PAY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OF THAT.
SO YES, SOUTH POINT I THINK IS 30% OF THAT SOUTH POINT IS ABOUT 30% OF, I'M GONNA ROUND OFF, IT'S ABOUT $12 MILLION IN TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS AGREED UPON.
SO IF WE PUT THINGS ON HOLD AND, AND AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO TALK THROUGH THIS TONIGHT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING, BUT WE CAN'T PUT HARDY V ON HOLD FOR FOUR YEARS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING BY DOING WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING MR. MAYOR, WE HAVE 15,000 HOMES MASTER PLAN.
SIR, THERE'S NO HALT TO HARDY V.
THERE'S A HALT THAT I'M SUGGESTING TO JOHN SMITH ROAD.
AND I MEAN, LISTEN, I, AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND YOUR PERSPECTIVE, BUT THOSE 15,000 HOMES WANT TO SHOP, THEY WANT TO EAT, THEY WANNA ENJOY THEMSELVES,
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AND WE'RE CREATING THAT SOLUTION.WE'RE ALSO TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THOSE 80,000 CARS THAT COME BY THERE EVERY DAY.
AND THAT BENEFITS HARDY IMMENSELY.
SO AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF GIVE AND TAKE AND I, AND YOU TOLD ME YOU WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR THIS PROJECT, AND I'M PROMISE I'D WIN YOU OVER.
YOU DOUBT IT, BUT I'M TELLING YOU.
BUT BOTTOM LINE IS MAYBE I'LL WIN SOME OF THE OTHERS OVER BECAUSE WE'RE IN IT FOR ALL THE RIGHT REASONS.
AND I CAN TELL YOU IT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU DO IT.
YOU'VE GOT A PARALLEL PROCESS IS WE'RE GIVING, WE NEED YOU TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT.
WELL, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 2 78 AND UP BY EX EXIT EIGHT.
I DON'T, I HAVE NOT HEARD IN THE DOLNIK PROPERTY AND THAT, THAT THAT ENTICEMENT IS WHY THIS THING WAS APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER OR NOVEMBER OF 2022.
THAT IS GOING TO DEVELOP THAT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE COMMERCIAL, THE OTHER COMMERCIAL AND I KNOW YOU'RE INVOLVED IN IT AND THAT SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT, WE STILL DON'T HAVE SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS WORTH IT TO TO DO THAT.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT ALL TOGETHER.
I'M VERY MUCH AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
VERY MUCH AWARE WHAT I'M, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS ON THIS SIDE OF 2 78 AND THE COMMERCIAL AND THE DOLNIK PROPERTY THAT WAS PROMISED TO, TO HAPPEN IN THE, IN THIS TO GET THIS PDD APPROVED.
AND I'M NOT HERE AND IT'S HAPPENING.
AND I, AND I THINK WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL WE SEE THE RESULTS OF THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX BEFORE WE DO ANY APPROVAL.
ONE LAST THING, CAITLIN IS HERE WITH OUR ENGINE, OUR CONSULTANT, OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.
THE PROJECT IS DESIGNED TO WORK WITHOUT THE REFERENDUM.
REFERENDUM WOULD BE A HUGE BENEFIT.
I AGREE, BUT WE'VE DESIGNED IT TO WORK WITHOUT IT.
SO CAITLYN, DO YOU MIND JUST TALKING A LITTLE BIT? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, I AM GOING BACK TO THE COMMENT ABOUT THE REFERENDUM IN WIDENING 2 78 TO SIX LANES.
SO INITIALLY WHEN WE DO TRAFFIC STUDIES, WE INCORPORATE APPROVED DEVELOPMENTS, COMMITTED DEVELOPMENTS, AND THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW DOT APPROACHES IT.
SO IN THAT STUDY WE LOOKED AT 2 78 AND JOHN SMITH ROAD AND YES, TODAY THAT INTERSECTION IS FAILING.
IN THE FUTURE IT WILL FAIL IF YOU DO NOTHING, WHEN WE BRING IN SOUTH POINT, IT ADDS TRAFFIC.
SO WE ARE THEREFORE REQUIRED TO IMPROVE THAT.
WE, UH, WE PROPOSED A SIGNALED INTERSECTION, DUAL LEFT TURN LANES OFF 2 78 ONTO JOHN SMITH, A RIGHT TURN LANE OFF 2 78 TO JOHN SMITH, A LEFT TURN LANE LEAVING JOHN SMITH GOING ON TO 2 78 GOING TO THE INTERSTATE.
AND WITH THAT WE ALSO ADDED A CHANNELIZED, UH, PORT SHOP MEDIAN FOR THAT RIGHT TURN LANE THAT'S THERE TODAY WITH AN ACCELERATION LANE ON 2 78 GOING TOWARDS, UH, LATITUDES.
AND DOING THAT YOU GET A-L-O-S-B.
SO I'M TALKING IN TRAFFIC TERMS. L-O-S-A-B-C-D-E-F-A IS THE BEST YOU CAN GET.
THE ONLY THING BETTER THAN A IS NO TRAFFIC AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE.
SO WITH OUR RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENTS WITHOUT WIDENING, WE CAN GET AN LOSB SOMETHING NEAR, EXCUSE ME, SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST SAID, UM, APPROVED, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.
HAVE THEY BEEN APPROVED YET BY THE STATE? YES, DOT HAS GOTTEN OUR STUDY.
THEY REVIEWED IT, THEY'VE GAVE US COMMENTS, WE'VE TALKED THROUGH EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO, AND THEY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH OUR RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENTS AT 2 78 AND JOHN SMITH.
SO IT'S A FIRM COMMITMENT THEN, CORRECT? THERE WILL NOT BE ANY CHANGE OR THE STATE HA HAS ANY CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO VOTE WITHOUT THE 2 78 IMPROVEMENTS? NO.
OKAY, BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY LAST WEEK, UM, SO MANY OF WHAT YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED DEPENDED UPON THE IMPROVEMENTS UPON 2 78 AND THAT'S, THAT VERY MUCH CONCERNS ME.
UM, THE 300 HOMES THE MAYOR MENTIONED, THAT CONCERNS ME.
UH, YOU SAID THAT FOUR, THE THE FOUR TO THREE TO TWO, DO WE HAVE A FIRM COMMITMENT FROM MORGAN ON THAT? DO WE HAVE IT SIGNED? I MEAN, I WAS TAKING A NOTE.
WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? NO, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SIGNED MOU AND I THINK, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD APPROVE ANYTHING UNTIL THERE'S A SIGNED MOU AND THERE'S A RESULTS FROM THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX.
AND THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL.
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YOU WAIT TWO MORE MONTHS AND IN THAT TIME GET GET ASSIGNED BINDING, MOU AND LET'S SEE SOME, LET'S SEE, SOME LETTER OF INTENT FOR SOME COMMERCIAL.THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.
UM, BEFORE THIS COUNTS, I SOMEWHAT AGREE TO THAT.
UM, I'M NOT, UH, SAYING NAY TO THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW AND ADDING 300 MORE HOMES, APARTMENTS, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL ONTO THAT SECTION OF JOHN SMITH WITHOUT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS BEING DONE IS JUST A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.
I DON'T NEED, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT ANY MORE ACCIDENTS.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE OUR AMBULANCE OR OUR FIRETRUCK OR ANYTHING ELSE GOING DOWN TO THAT AREA.
WE HAVE TO MAKE IT SAFE FIRST BEFORE WE START PUTTING IN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTING A SMALL ROAD AND 300 HOMES, ALL THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ALONE AT THAT ONE ENTRANCE.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, UH, I'M SORRY, I JUST HAD TO JUMP IN HERE.
THERE ARE, THERE'S NOT A SINGLE UNIT APPROVED WITH THIS MASTER PLAN.
THIS IS FOR THE ROAD AND THE UTILITIES ONLY.
SO ONCE, IF THIS IS APPROVED, THEN THEY WILL STILL HAVE TO COME THROUGH WITH THEIR NEXT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHETHER THAT BE THE COMMERCIAL OR THE RESIDENTIAL, EVEN THE 300 UNITS, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU.
THEY CANNOT BUILD THOSE, THEY CAN'T GET PERMITS FOR THOSE WITHOUT ANOTHER INITIAL MASTER PLAN.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE FROM THE SIMPLE FACT IS WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THEIR ROADS AND THEN TELL 'EM NO, THEY CAN'T BUILD THE 300 HOMES.
WELL, AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
I THINK THE GREAT THING IS IRON SHARPENS IRON.
I MEAN, WE HAVE STOOD HERE AND ANSWERED EVERY QUESTION AND WE'VE TAKEN THE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AND IMPLEMENTED EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SUGGESTED.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU, UM, YOU, YOU JUST, YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE I HAVEN'T SEEN, USUALLY I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN PLENTY OF THESE WHERE THE DEVELOPER'S ASKING FOR A COMMITMENT FROM THE CITY OR SOME INCENTIVES OR WHATNOT, WE'RE SAYING, WE'LL BE THE, WE'LL, WE'LL CONTRIBUTE, WE'LL HANDLE IT.
WE'LL GET THE CONSENSUS FOR THE OTHER DEVELOPERS, WE'LL DO IT.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S BEEN A HELPFUL PART OF WHAT THE MAYOR'S ASKED US TO, YOU'RE HOLDING OUR HAND TO THE FIRE AND I, AND YOU'VE DONE IT OVER THE YEARS AND I THINK WE'VE PERFORMED.
AND I WOULD SAY TRUST THE CONSULTANTS, TRUST THE EXPERTS.
THEY'RE SAYING THIS FUNCTIONS AND WORKS.
UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT EXPECTING A PAT ON THE BACK, BUT I JUST THINK WE'VE, WE'VE, UM, TRYING TO GIVE YOU WHAT, WHAT WE, WHAT WE WERE APPROVED ON.
AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT VOTING TONIGHT, BUT I JUST HOPE YOU'LL KEEP AN OPEN MIND BECAUSE THERE'S IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE AND TAKING YOUR SUGGESTIONS THAT ARE NOT EVEN SHOWN ON THIS.
AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ELABORATE ON THOSE.
WELL, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, THIS WORKSHOP, THE REASON WE HAVE THIS WORKSHOP, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF CONCERNS.
THERE'S A, UH, THERE'S A, UH, AN IMPORTANT DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THIS COUNCIL, UH, CHOSE THE POLICY OF HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE WE'RE FACED WITH THE PRESSURE OF A VOTE.
UM, WILL BE TALKING ABOUT, UM, A, A CHANGE LATER ON IN THE AGENDA, UH, TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE THE FIRST READING.
UM, AND THEN AT FIRST READING, THEN WE WILL HAVE A VOTE.
AND THAT'S, SO IN TWO WEEKS WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, THINK ALL THIS OVER AND WE'LL BE BACK AT IT AGAIN.
MATT, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? I WOULD JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY REAL QUICKLY THAT ONE OF THE THINGS STAFF HAS DONE IN WORKING WITH ALL THESE DEVELOPERS IS WE'RE SOLVING A PROBLEM THAT YOU AND QUITE FRANKLY, EVERYBODY ALWAYS GRIPES ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO GROWTH.
AND THAT'S, THAT THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS ALWAYS LAG THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE GETTING AHEAD OF IT THIS TIME.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND EVEN IF YOU GOT, THEY GOT APPROVAL TONIGHT, WHICH THEY'RE NOT TO BUILD SOMETHING, WHICH THEY'RE NOT EVEN ASKING FOR APPROVAL YET.
THAT'S, THEY'RE STILL SEVERAL YEARS AWAY.
IN THE MEANTIME, ALREADY IN PRINCIPLE, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THESE THREE MAJOR DEVELOPERS TO IMPROVE THAT JOHN SMITH INTERSECTION, YOU KNOW, TO, TO A STANDARD FAR BEYOND EVEN WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRED AT THE MOMENT TO DO.
I THINK THE POINT IS, IS THAT WE'RE GETTING AHEAD OF IT.
WE'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU ALL HAVE ASKED US TO DO FOR A LONG TIME AS TO, IS TO REALLY BE PRO PLANNING AND, AND LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, HOLISTICALLY AND NOT JUST PROJECT BY PROJECT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.