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2 0 5 MAIN STREET, ORANGEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA 2 9 9 2 7.
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 28TH AT 10:00 AM UH, THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
THE RULES OF WATER WILL BE RELAXED.
YES, JOHN? AND, UM, LIKE CLOCKWORK, MR. CARROLL, I JOIN THIS, I SIT HERE.
YOU WANT GO TO SET MY, UH, CLOCK TO MY WATSON? NOT A PROBLEM.
WE'RE JUST CALLING YOUR ORDER.
I'LL JUST REMIND EVERYBODY, THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
UM, JUST GO, UH, EVERYBODY CAN SPEAK AT WILL.
UM, JUST BE KIND AND LET THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER FINISH THEIR THOUGHTS BEFORE YOU, UM, COME FORWARD.
UM, NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT WHAT CAME UP BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
THERE WAS AN APPLICATION IN AT THE LAST, UH, PLANNING MEETING, UM, THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE SCHEDULED FOR THE FIRST READING ON SEPTEMBER 5TH, RIGHT? AS PER THE COUNCIL'S, UH, REQUEST AND POLICY THAT IF A SUBJECT'S COMING UP THAT WILL, UH, PERHAPS REQUIRE SOME THOUGHT BEFORE FIRST READING THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES TO IT.
SOME DEPTH THAT WE WOULD HAVE A WORKSHOP BEFORE FIRST READING.
I BELIEVE THAT, UH, SOUTH POINT WAS CONTROVERSIAL AT THE TIME AND IS STILL CONTROVERSIAL AT, AND NO ONE ELSE'S MINE BUT MINE.
SO I THINK THAT I'M SUGGESTING TO COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE A WORKSHOP OR WE HAVE A FIRST
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ON THAT IT IS AN INFRASTRUCTURE THING.IT DOES AFFECT, UH, JOHN SMITH ROAD AND 2 78.
SO I THINK, UH, A WORKSHOP PRIOR TO HAVING TO MAKE A DECISION WOULD BE HELPFUL AND ACCORDING TO THE REQUEST OF COUNSEL TO DO THAT.
SO HAVING SAID THAT, UM, UH, I JUST OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION AND TO COME UP WITH A DATE.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME LEGAL REQUIREMENTS TO GO TO FIRST READING WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO, UM, BECAUSE I WILL NOT BE HERE FOR THE JULY 19TH MEETING, UH, SEPTEMBER 19TH MEETING, AS I ANNOUNCED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WE NEED TO DECIDE, A, DO WE WANT A WORKSHOP? B, WHEN DO WE WANT IT? AND C DO WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT 19TH MEETING TO THE 18TH OR 17TH OF THAT WEEK? UM, I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL BECAUSE OF THE DISCUSSION OF THAT, THAT DEVELOPMENT, THAT THAT AGENDA ITEM NOT BE ON THE MEETING OF THE 19TH OR CHANGE THAT MEETING SO I CAN DO IN ATTENDANCE.
SO HAVING SAID THAT, IS THERE ANY ITEM NUMBER ONE, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THE FACT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THAT ITEM? NO, SIR.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THAT ONE.
UM, SO THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO A WORKSHOP, MATT.
UH, DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTED FROM STAFF WHEN YOU AVAILABLE? YES, SIR.
WE, WE WOULD SUGGEST WE HOLD IT AT FOUR 4:00 PM NEXT THURSDAY.
JUST PRIOR TO YOUR REGULAR MEETING.
IT WOULD NOT BE ON FOR FIRST READING.
IT WOULD SIMPLY BE THE WORKSHOP AND THEN YOU WOULD CONSIDER IT, YOU KNOW, AT ANOTHER DATE.
BUT WE WOULD ASK IF THE WORKSHOP, AND WOULD IT BE THAT THAT SINGLE ITEM, IT WOULD BE A SINGLE ITEM? YES, SIR.
SO COUNSEL IS, IS THERE AT THIS POINT ANY NEED FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION? NONE THAT I'M AWARE OF.
SO, UH, THE AGENDA THAT COMES OUT FRIDAY, WE'LL NOT HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO IF WE WENT, UH, AT FOUR O'CLOCK, UH, WE COULD GO INTO THE REGULAR MEETING AT FIVE.
COUNSEL, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? I THINK THAT'S FINE.
UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU WILL NOT BE HERE FOR THE 19TH MEETING.
UM, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PROJECT, ALTHOUGH THIS IS JUST AN INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WAS VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO AND STILL HAVE.
AND SO I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A NEW COUNSEL THAT ALL THE PROS AND CONS BE PROPERLY VETTED AND, AND BROUGHT OUT.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT THAT I BE THERE.
OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE OFFICE, I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO MOVING THE MEETING, UH, TO THE 26TH, IF THAT WOULD WORK.
HOW ABOUT THE 17TH OR 18TH? ANYBODY? 17TH OR 18TH IS FINE.
17TH, 18TH, JOHN, DOESN'T MATTER.
ANY PREFERENCE TO TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY THE 17TH OR 18TH? I PREFER WEDNESDAY, MYSELF PERSONALLY, BUT TUESDAY'S OKAY.
ALRIGHT, SO WHAT WE WOULD, SO MATT, HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THE FIFTH? YES.
UH, GONNA ADD FIVE O'CLOCK REPORT IS EXECUTIVE SESSION AND YOU'LL HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT AT NEXT WEEK'S MEETING TO CHANGE THAT, THAT MEETING DATE? YES.
BUT YES, THAT'LL BE ON THE AGENDA.
WE'LL, WE'LL PUT THAT ON THERE.
THAT'LL BE ON THE AGENDA AND ADDING THE WORKSHOP.
WE CAN DO THAT BY JUST WITHOUT A, A VOTE.
SO THAT'S THE PLAN, RIGHT? YES.
NOW I'M GONNA TURN OFF TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE AND TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING THIS MORNING.
UM, WE DO HAVE A PRETTY LENGTHY WORKSHOP AGENDA.
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A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE NEED, UM, TO DISCUSS WITH YOU AND WE NEED TO GET, UH, DIRECTIONS FROM COUNCIL ON.SO WE KIND OF, I, I'M ANTICIPATING BREAKING THIS UP.
UH, THE FIRST ITEM OBVIOUSLY IS THE, UH, HOW WE'RE GONNA DISTRIBUTE SOME OF THE SCHOOL VA FEES THAT WE'VE COLLECTED OVER THE S AND THEN THE NEXT, UM, FOUR ITEMS WILL ALL BE MS. MCMAHON TALKING ABOUT VARIOUS, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO CITY OWNED STRUCTURES OR NEW STRUCTURES, NEW FACILITIES.
AND, UM, WE WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE COULD HOPEFULLY GET THROUGH THEM BY ABOUT 11 30, 11 45 OR SO.
THEN WE'LL BREAK FOR LUNCH AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AFTER LUNCH AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UM, THE LAST TWO THINGS, THE 2 78 CORRIDOR STUDY, AND THEN JOHN SPECIFICALLY THEN, UM, IMPROVEMENTS IN AN UNDER MOU FOR 2 78 JOHN SMITH ROAD INTERSECTION.
UM, AND, AND I DO THINK THAT DISCUSSION LEADER TODAY WILL HELP ALL INFORM YOUR WORKSHOP NEXT WEEK TOO.
SO I THINK IT'S REALLY GOOD TIMING THAT WE'RE DOING THIS.
AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THAT WORKSHOP AS WELL.
I THINK THAT'LL BE HELPFUL FOR EVERYBODY, REALLY, MATT, IF I COULD SUGGEST AND, AND, UH, BOSE LEAVING AT NOON.
SO WHATEVER, IF YOU, IF YOU FEEL THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE AFTERNOON SESSION THAT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE, I THINK WE NEED MORE, MORE OF THE CONSENSUS OR, AND DIRECTION ON THE FIRST ITEM.
SO THINK THE AGENDA WOULD BE GOOD.
GOTTA CHECK IN WITH MY PAROLE OFFICER.
WHERE'S YOUR ANKLE BRACELET? HE CUT IT OFF.
SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE NOTHING FROM ME, I'LL TURN OVER TO MR. PARSONS IF HE CAN GET STARTED.
COUNSEL, AS YOU ALL RECALL, UH, IT WAS ABOUT A MONTH AGO THAT WE PASSED THE RESOLUTION TO BE ABLE TO USE THE, UH, SCHOOL FUNDS THAT WAS COLLECTED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, FEES THAT WE, UH, WE COLLECT UNDER OUR, UH, VARIOUS PROJECTS AND STUFF ONGOING, UH, WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, IT'S A LENGTHLY PACKET THAT YOU ALL I PRINTED OUT SO YOU ALL COULD TAKE IT HOME, DIFFERENT THINGS OF THAT SORT.
I THINK WE LEFT THAT MEETING BASICALLY SAYING THAT WE WAS GONNA ESTABLISH THE PROCESS, GET THAT GOING.
WE, WE'VE HAD THAT PROCESS KIND OF STARTED, I MEAN, AT LEAST AVAILABLE SINCE ABOUT THE FIRST PART OF AUGUST.
I THINK I'D INDICATED I'D HAVE IT DONE A COUPLE WEEKS AND THAT WAS NO PROBLEM.
BUT WE DID WANNA TAKE THE TIME TO BRING IT TO THE WORKSHOP BEFORE WE PUT IT OUT LIVE, IN CASE YOU ALL DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO WHAT YOU'VE GOT IN FRONT IN YOUR PACKET, YOU'VE GOT THE PRESENTATION THAT WE'RE GONNA SHOW.
UH, YOU ALSO HAVE THE GUIDELINES OF STUFF, UH, FOR THE SCHOOL RELEASE OF THE SCHOOL FUNDS THROUGH A A GRANT TYPE PROCESS.
YOU HAVE HOW THAT'S GONNA BE KIND OF SCORED RANKED, AND YOU HAVE A A, A FORM THAT KIND OF INDICATES HOW THE PROCESS MOVES FORWARD.
SO, UM, SO IF YOU ALL WANT, TAKE THAT HOME, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THAT'S FINE.
UH, WE, WE CAN MAKE ANY CHANGES TO STUFF AS NEEDED AS WE PUT THIS OUT LIVE.
SO, SO, SO THE O OVERVIEW FOR THIS, I MEAN, THE CITY WANTS TO SUPPORT ITS LOCAL EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS. UM, SO THIS INCLUDES SCHOOLS, COLLEGE, UNIVERSITIES, NONPROFITS AND TECHNICAL CENTERS, AND PROMOTE IMPROVEMENTS IN EDUCATIONAL WORKFORCE TRAINING TO MEET THE ONGOING CHALLENGES OF THE CITY AND REGIONALS, CONTINUOUS GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.
THE CITY IS MAKING AVAILABLE IN AN ANNUAL COMPETITIVE GRANT, CAPITAL CONTRIBUTIONS AND SPONSORSHIP PROGRAM BY UTILIZING THE CITY'S COLLECTION, UH, NEGOTIATED DEVELOPMENT FEES TO ADVANCE THE EDUCATIONAL PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS THAT SUPPORT THE CITY'S ESTABLISHED GOALS AND PRIORITIES.
CITY COUNCIL WILL PRIORITIZE ANNUAL GOALS AND PRIORITIES ASSOCIATED WITH EDUCATION ADVANCEMENT AND PROMOTION OF WORKFORCE TRAINING.
DURING THE PREP BUDGET PROCESS, UH, THE HARVILLE COMMUNITY TRANSFORMATION FOUNDATION WILL ADMINISTER THIS PROGRAM.
SO THE TYPE OF FUNDS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A ANNUAL COMPETITIVE GRANT, SO CONTRIBUTIONS THAT ENHANCE EDUCATION AND PROMOTES WORKFORCE TRAINING.
THEN WE'LL HAVE ROUTINE SPONSORSHIPS, AWARDS FOR PUBLIC, PRIVATE, AND CHARTER SCHOOLS THAT SERVICE THE CITY OF HARVILLE REGIONAL COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES LOCATED IN JASPER, BEAUFORT COUNTY AND REGIONAL NONPROFITS PROVIDING EDUCATIONAL WORKFORCE PROGRAMS FOR THE CITY.
SO THE ELIGIBLE PARTICIPANTS FOR THIS IS THE, YOU BASICALLY HAVE THE PUBLIC PRIVATE CHARTER SCHOOLS THAT SERVICES THE CITY OF HARVILLE.
YOU HAVE REGIONAL COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES LOCATED IN JASPER AND BEAUFORT COUNTY.
UH, YOU HAVE REGIONAL NONPROFITS PROVIDING EDUCATIONAL WORKFORCE PROGRAMS AND WORKFORCE TRAINING CENTERS.
SO THE PURPOSE OF THE GRANTS AND CONTRIBUTIONS, BASICALLY WE BROKE THIS DOWN IN CATEGORIES.
SO THE APPLICATION WOULD CONSIST OF YOU'RE APPLYING EITHER TO ENHANCE EDUCATIONAL QUALITY, EXPAND ACCESS TO EDUCATION, REMOTE WORKFORCE READINESS, ENCOURAGE COLLABORATION, SUPPORT, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, MINOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.
NEW CONSTRUCTION IS ONLY PRIORITIZED PROJECTS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL OR APPLICABLE.
SO THIS, THIS IS IN, IN THE ESSENCE, IF THEY'VE, AND WE'VE GOT IT SET UP AS IF IT'S A COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY THAT PROMOTES REGIONAL EDUCATIONAL OR WORKFORCE TRAINING THAT WE, WE CAN GO ABOVE THE AMOUNTS AND STUFF.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A SECOND THAT, UH, THE REST OF THEM WOULDN'T QUALIFY FOR.
SO WE HAVE SPONSORSHIPS PERIODICALLY FROM VARIOUS SCHOOLS, THE SUPPORT, WHETHER IT'S A GOLF OUTING, WHETHER IT'S A DINNER, SOMETHING TO RAISE MONEY TO THAT SORT.
WE HAVE MOVED ALL THE SPONSORSHIPS OVER TO THE
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FOUNDATION.AND SO THIS JUST GIVES US ANOTHER AVENUE THAT WE CAN HELP FUND SOME OF THOSE SPONSORSHIPS FROM.
UM, AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN SOUTH, THE TRANSFORMATION FOUNDATION WOULD MAKE THOSE KIND OF COMMITMENTS AND STUFF THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
AND ANY KIND OF PRIORITIES AND STUFF THAT YOU ALL BRING FORTH TO THAT FOUNDATION, WE'LL TAKE IT IN CONSIDERATION AS WE MAKE THOSE, UH, SPONSORSHIP REQUESTS.
QUESTION THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UM, SO LET'S SAY TCLS NEW WORKFORCE TRAINING CENTER, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD QUALIFY AND IT, IT, AND WE HAVE ALL THAT INDICATED WHEN WE SEE A LITTLE BIT ON THE NEXT SLIDE OR SO.
UM, ALL THAT IS INDICATED ON THE GUIDELINES ITSELF.
SO BASICALLY IT HAS TO HAVE, IT HAS TO BE A PROGRAM, COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY THAT ALSO HAS A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN, FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN ONGOING FOR CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT THOSE TYPE OF PROJECTS CAN COME, COME TO US.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT TCL, WE TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING USCB MIGHT HAVE COMING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE, THE TWO TYPE OF PROJECTS THOSE WOULD HIT.
UH, AND RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY, AND WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE IF YOU WANT TO, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S ONLY IMPACTING COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITIES FOR THAT, FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THE OTHER PART OF IT FALLS UNDER THE MINOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT THAT, I GUESS MY QUESTION CLARIFICATION WOULD BE BECAUSE IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION FALLING UNDER THAT CATEGORY, THE COUNCIL, IT WOULD COME TO THE COUNCIL AND COUNCIL COULD RAISE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT, YOU KNOW, HIGHER THAN THE OTHER CATEGORY.
WE, WE HOPE MAYOR, THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY KIND OF, KIND OF TALKED ABOUT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS AND IF THERE IS A, THERE'S AN INCIDENT THAT OCCURS AFTER BUDGET PROCESS, YES.
THEN IT WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND COUNCIL MAKE THAT DECISION.
BUT IF IT'S DE-PRIORITIZED THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, THE COUNCIL SAYS WE WANT TO DEDICATE X AMOUNT OF DOLLAR TO THIS PROGRAM WE KNOW IS COMING UP, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD MAKE HAPPEN FOR THAT.
BUT THIS, THE, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WOULD COME FROM THE DEVELOPMENT PIECE THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS CORRECT.
ALL, ALL, ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS UTILIZING SCHOOL FEES THAT'S COMING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT FEES IN ORDER TO FUND ALL THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS.
SO THE TOTAL FUND'S AVAILABLE.
SO IF, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE APPLICANT AND YOU COME IN AND YOU SAY YOU WANT TO ENHANCE EDUCATION QUALITY, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR ONE, ONE APPLICATION PER YEAR AND BE FUNDED FOR IT.
AND IF THEY DON'T GET FUNDED FOR IT, I MEAN, IF THEY ONLY, THEY CAN ONLY SUBMIT ONE FOR EACH CATEGORY.
SAY IT'S ROYAL EYE OAKS, THEY COME IN AND THEY SAY, WE HAVE ENHANCED EDUCATIONAL QUALITY PROJECT AND IT'S GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA FUND THAT UP TO $10,000.
BUT THAT'S A COMPETITIVE PROGRAM.
SO ALL THESE WILL BE AVAILABLE ALL, ALL THE SAME TIME AND AS THE MONEY AND STUFF THAT WE HAVE, WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE AND SCORE THOSE PROJECTS AND AWARD AND STUFF ACCORDINGLY BASED ON THESE TYPE OF CRITERIA.
BUT FOR INSTANCE, IT COULD BE A MINOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, WELL THAT'S UP TO 25,000 BECAUSE WE KNOW CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND STUFF COSTS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN SOME OF THE, JUST THE EDUCATIONAL AS FAR AS THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS, DIFFERENT THINGS OF THAT SORT THAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
AND HERE WE TALKED ABOUT NEW CONSTRUCTION AMOUNT TO BE DETERMINED, PRIORITIZED CITY COUNCIL AND, AND YOU KNOW, COULD BE $150,000.
BUT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S PRIORITIZED BY COUNCIL PRIOR TO MOVING INTO THIS PROCESS.
AND WE KNOW THAT ABOUT GOING INTO THAT.
SO, OR IF NOT, WE COME BACK TO YOU FOR APPROVAL.
WE ALSO PUT IN THERE UP TO $10,000 AS WELL.
THIS WOULD BE FOR ANY ONE ENTITY FOR CALENDAR GEAR.
UH, I KNOW SOME OF THE OUTINGS AND STUFF COSTS 3000, 4,000 ON A SPONSORSHIP.
SOME OF THE DINNERS AND STUFF COST X AMOUNT OF DOLLAR.
UM, SO IF THEY, IF WHATEVER WE AWARD THEM, THEY'LL HAVE UP TO $10,000 FROM US TO SEEK OUT SPONSORSHIPS THROUGHOUT THAT YEAR.
AS FOR ANY OF THE SCHOOLS OR WHATEVER THAT COME TO US.
UM, THE SPONSORSHIP, I'M A LITTLE UNEASY WITH THE $10,000, UM, SPONSORSHIP REQUEST.
WE, WE COULD EASILY BE OVERWHELMED WITH THOSE.
UH, THAT WAS THE BASIS FOR THE FOUNDATION TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, I I'M JUST SAYING I'M JUST NOT REAL COMFORTABLE WITH THE $10,000.
I THINK THAT THAT'S OPENING A DOOR.
I WOULD BE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH $5,000.
IF, UH, I MEAN IT UP TO THE REST OF THE, THE GROUP.
I MEAN, IT, I THINK IT'S A A A GOOD POINT.
I MEAN, I KNOW WE, WE, UH, UH, HABITAT, WE DO JM WE DO A NUMBER OF GOLF TOURNAMENTS IN THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, BUT EVEN THE CHAMBER, TO STEVE'S POINT, I THINK WE WE'RE LIKE A, A SPONSOR AND THAT'S LIKE $5,000 A YEAR.
AND, AND THE REASON WE'VE GOT THIS OUT LIKE THIS AND WE'VE GOT THE OTHER SPONSORSHIPS COVERED, AND THEN THIS STILL FOLLOWS THE COUNCIL MESMAN THE SAME WAY.
IT STILL GOES INTO THE FOUNDATION, BUT THIS IS ONLY FOR A SCHOOL OR NONPROFIT THAT'S OFFERING A SCHOOL OR NONPROFIT, UH, FOR EDUCATIONAL WORKFORCE TRAINING.
SO HABITAT HUMANITIES OUT CHAMBERS OUT, I MEAN, THEY'RE SEPARATE CAP, THEY'RE SE SEPARATE CATEGORIES AND THESE ARE STILL COMING FROM THOSE DEVELOPMENT FEES THAT, UH,
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IT IS NOT COMING FROM ANYTHING FROM GENERAL GOVERNMENT.SO, SO, SO I, I THINK STEVE'S POINT IS, IS A VALID ONE.
YOU KNOW, UH, 5,000 SEEMS MORE REASONABLE, UH, WITH X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS THAT WE WOULD HAVE AVAILABLE AT $5,000.
WE MAY BE ABLE TO HANDLE MORE REQUESTS WITH THIS AND UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S ONLY FOR THE CATEGORIES THAT THIS, UH, THAT THAT MAY BE IN THERE.
UM, I'M JUST UNCOMFORTABLE WITH $10,000 BEING AWARDED.
I WOULD RATHER SEE THE MONEY SPREAD AMONG OTHER MANY THAN A FEW.
JUST MY, MY, MY VIEWING WITH THAT AND THAT.
AND WE, AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY ALSO INSIDE THE GUIDELINES, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO REJECT ANY TYPE OF SPONSORSHIP THAT WE FEEL LIKE IS NOT NECESSARY SPONSORSHIP EITHER.
SO IT, SO I MEAN, I'M OKAY CHANGING THE AMOUNT.
HOW DO, HOW DO WE ADJUST THAT? YEAH, MA'AM.
AND THE AMOUNTS FOR THE REST OF IT'S, OKAY.
SO THE REST OF THE GRANT PROJECT FOR UP TO $10,000 IS OKAY.
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, MINOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, 25,000.
WOULD, UH, OUR OWN WORKFORCE TRAINING PROGRAM QUALIFIED TO APPLY? SO, SO AS PART OF THE PROGRAM, THE, OUR OWN WORKFORCE TRAINING PROGRAM WOULD NOT APPLY FOR IT, BUT IT WOULD BE OVER TOP OF THE FUNDS.
WE WOULD STILL UTILIZE THE FUNDS TO HELP SUPPORT OUR WORKFORCE TRAINING PROGRAM.
AND TO THE POINT THAT WE SEE THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING IT ANY LONGER, THAT THAT WOULD BE ON TOP OF THE MONIES THAT WE SEE HERE THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
SO WE WOULDN'T ACTUALLY MAKE THEM GO THROUGH THE GRANT PROCESS TO BE AWARDED.
THEY, THEY'RE, WE WOULD, BUT THEY ARE A WORKFORCE TRAINING.
AND WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT ON TOP OF WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE.
YESTERDAY WE READ, SO LOCO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CHILDCARE SCARCITY.
IS THERE ANY WAY OR THERE'S AN ORGANIZATION THAT WE COULD MAYBE DIRECT SOME FUNDS TO, TO HELP WITH THAT? IT'S A GOOD, GOOD POINT.
BUT PERHAPS, AND AGAIN, AS YOU GO FUTURE DOWN THE ROAD, IF SSO LOCO OR ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION LIKE THE SOUTHERN CAROLINA ALLIANCE, WE HAD A BOARD MEETING AFTER THAT, AND THEY'RE ALSO STARTING UP A CHILDCARE INITIATIVE.
SO PERHAPS IN THE FUTURE, IF, LET'S SAY ROYAL LIVE OAKS ADDED A, UH, PRE-K WAITING FOR FOR CHILDCARE OR, OR PRE-K YEAH.
THEN MAYBE, MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO COORDINATE THIS IN THE FUTURE WITH A CHILDCARE FACILITY THAT MAYBE A SCHOOL NOW COULD ADD ON, KNOWING THAT WE'RE WILLING TO HELP THEM GET THAT GOING.
SOUTH CAROLINA DOES NOT REQUIRE KINDERGARTEN, RIGHT? SO OUR CHILDREN ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE GOING IN TO HAVE THIS TYPE AVAILABLE FOR ROYAL LIVE OAKS OR SOME, UH, ORGANIZATION THAT MEETS THE QUALIFICATIONS.
I THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE THEM IN THIS AS THESE DA FEES ARE PAID BY EVERYBODY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE CHILDCARE ISSUE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT SO LOCO AND WHAT SOUTHERN CAROLINA ALLIANCE IS TALKING ABOUT IS, UM, ARE, ARE CREATING A BIGGER INVENTORY OF ACTUAL CHILDCARE.
SO IF ATTACHED TO A SCHOOL, IT, THERE'D BE YOUNG MOTHERS THAT HAVE NEED CHILDCARE IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THEIR ROLE AS A TEACHER.
SO THEY COULD COME TEACH AND LEAVE THEIR CHILDCARE.
AND THEN WITHIN THAT FACILITY, THERE'S THAT EDUCATIONAL ELEMENT THAT YOU WANNA ADD TO, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A CHILDCARE CENTER, YOU'RE ALSO GIVEN THAT PRE-K EDUCATION.
AND THAT'S KINDA LIKE WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT YESTERDAY AND WHAT REPRESENTATIVE, UH, SHANNON ERICKSON, OUR TEACHERS ARE A VITAL PART OF OUR WORKFORCE.
WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WE CAN INCLUDE THEM IN THIS.
SO THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TALK TO SCHOOLS AS WE GET THAT PROGRAM.
AND WE ALSO HAVE IT, I MEAN, WE HAVE LANGUAGE IN THE GUIDELINES THAT SET UP VAGUE ENOUGH THAT IF IT'S A SCHOOL PRE-K IS CONSIDERED A SCHOOL WHICH FIT UNDERNEATH THE GUIDELINES.
SO I MEAN, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
NOW, THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE IF IT'S PRE-K PRE-K SCHOOL, OR, UH, VERSUS CHILDCARE.
SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN LANGUAGE IS NOT THERE YET.
BUT I MEAN, WE COULD DO PRE-K AND STILL QUALIFY UNDER THE GUIDELINES WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
BUT I GUESS YOU'D HAVE TO WORK OUT, WE HAVE TO TWEAK SOME THINGS.
SO, BECAUSE CHILDCARE AND PRE-K CAN BE ONE ELEMENT.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S CALLED A SCHOOL, SOMETIMES IT'S CALLED DAYCARE SYSTEM.
IF IT'S ATTACHED TO A SCHOOL, THEN, THEN THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
SO IT CAN BE, IT COULD BE BOTH.
I KNOW LIKE A HEAD START PROGRAM, HEAD START IS CONSIDERED A SCHOOL.
SO HEAD START'S CONSIDERED A SCHOOL.
AND WE ALSO HAVE CERTAIN SPECIFICATIONS UNDER THE
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DA AGREEMENTS THAT SAY THAT YOU CAN ONLY USE THESE FOR CERTAIN THINGS.SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIT THAT IN THERE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
NOW, ANY OF THOSE DA AGREEMENTS DOESN'T NECESSARILY SAY ANYTHING ABOUT CHILDCARE.
SO THEY, SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL HOW WE WORD THE LANGUAGE THERE.
WHY DON'T YOU, WE GIVE THE GRANT A YEAR LATER.
HOW DO YOU EVALUATE IF THE GRANT THAT WAS GIVEN, THE MONEY THAT WAS GIVEN WAS SPENT THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO? AND WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME? NOT NOT BEING A COP ON IT, BUT JUST DEFINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, UH, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE THAT GRANT MADE OR WHAT THE OUTCOME WAS.
AND, AND OH, OH, I'LL SHOW YOU THE APPLICATION HERE SHORTLY, BUT THE CORRECT NO, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
I MEAN, WHAT WE DO, AND WE DO THIS FOR THE DISCRETIONARY GRANTS AND ALL THE OTHER GRANTS THAT WE HAVE AWARDED THROUGH AR OR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT, WE, WE SET UP THE, THE APPLICATION PROCESS THAT WE GAIN A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM THE FRONT.
THEN WE HAVE REPORTS OF STUFF THAT ARE DUE AT THE BACK END OF IT THAT WE GO BACK AND KIND OF EVALUATE AGAINST WHAT THEY SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION FOR.
AND AT ANY POINT THAT IF THEY WENT AWAY FROM THAT, IT'S OBLIGATED IN THERE THAT IF THEY DON'T USE THE FUNDS OR FUNDS AT A DIFFERENT MANNER THAT THEY WOULD RE OWE THE FUNDS BACK TO THE FOUNDATION.
SO, SO WE HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES IN THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE QUALITY OF STUFF CONTINUES MOVING FORWARD WITH EACH OF OUR PROJECTS PROGRAMS. THANK YOU.
SO BASICALLY, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TIME PERIODS.
UH, THE, THE, THE GRANT WOULD ONLY BE OPEN ONCE A YEAR.
UH, SO WE ACTUALLY COULD FALL IN THIS CATEGORY THIS YEAR.
UH, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE THIS AVAILABLE ONLINE WITH WHATEVER MINOR CHANGES THAT YOU ALL MAKE, PROBABLY BY EARLY NEXT WEEK.
THE APPLICATION AS WE SHOW YOU SOON, IT'S A PRETTY FAST PROCESS.
UM, IT ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT ALLOWS YOU TO INCLUDE ALL YOUR ATTACHMENTS AND STUFF THAT I'VE ASKED FOR.
A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WE UTILIZE FOR THE, UH, DISCRETIONARY GRANTS OR THE ARPA GRANTS, THE VARIOUS NONPROFITS HAVE SAID, OUR PROCESS BY FAR IS SMOOTH.
AND IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT REQUIRES A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT IT'S EASY TO WORK THROUGH.
UM, AS WE SEE HERE, TALK ABOUT THE TIME PERIODS, SEPTEMBER 30TH EACH YEAR, CAPITAL CONTRIBUTIONS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, THAT WOULD BASICALLY BE A JULY 1ST OF DECEMBER, 31ST OF EACH YEAR.
SO THAT'S AFTER BUDGET COMES IN PLACE.
THAT FIRST SIX MONTHS OF THE BUDGET SEASON, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO FUND.
AND WE ONLY INDICATED THAT WE WOULD FUND ONE OF THESE PER YEAR.
SO THAT'S OF THE HIGHER AMOUNT.
FOR INSTANCE, IF THAT'S A TCL ONE AT 150,000, IF WE FUND OUT THAT ONE YEAR, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE FOR THAT YEAR, WE WOULD FUND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT YEAR FOR ANOTHER APPLICANT'S OR WHATEVER THAT SORT.
SO SPONSORSHIP, REQUEST CONSIDERATION, SPONSORSHIP REQUEST, UH, THE CONSIDERED REQUESTS THAT ARE SUBMITTED.
AS THEY'RE SUBMITTED, ALL REQUESTS MUST BE SUBMITTED AS PART TO THE ONLINE APPLICATION AS WELL.
SO, SO HERE'S THE PROCESS AT THE WORKSHOP.
INFORMATION WILL BE PUSHED OUT TO THE ALL ELIGIBLE APPLICANTS DIRECT CONTACT WILL BE MADE WITH THE SCHOOLS, COLLEGE, UNIVERSITIES, AND NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS.
ALL INFORMATION WILL BE PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, INCLUDING THE APPLICATION GUIDELINES, REVIEW AND AWARD PROCESS AND SCORING CRITERIA.
UH, ONLINE PROCESS APPLICATIONS.
ATTACHMENTS MUST BE SUBMITTED ELECTRONICALLY.
I'LL SHOW YOU A SECOND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
APPLICATIONS WILL BE SCORED BY A SCORING COMMITTEE.
UH, AWARD AMOUNTS WILL BE CALCULATED BASED ON THE DEPOSIT SCORE AVERAGE FROM THE SCORING COMMITTEE.
RECOMMENDATIONS MADE TO THE FOUNDATION BOARD.
FOUNDATION BOARD WILL VOTE ON PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVE AWARD AMOUNTS.
PAPER CHECKS WILL BE ISSUED WITHIN 45 DAYS TO SUBMIT.
SO PRETTY GOOD, PRETTY QUICK TURNAROUND.
UM, AND THE PROCESS AND STUFF ALLOWS IT.
SO IF THEY ASK FOR $10,000 AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT GETS SCORED AND, UH, BASED ON THE SCORING COMMITTEE, IT SHOWS THAT 70% OF ON THE APPLICATION SCORE, THEY'D ONLY GET $7,000 COST BASED ON WE, WE, WE WANT TO HOLD THEM, UH, APPLICABLE AND STUFF FOR THE APPLICATION THAT THEY SUBMIT AND RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THEY GET US ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE AT QUALITY APPLICATION COMING END.
SO, SO THE AMOUNTS OF STUFF, IF THEY ASK FOR ONE AMOUNT, IT COULD BE ADJUSTED DOWN BASED ON HOW THAT SCORED IS.
COULD BE 6,000, COULD BE 9,000, $900, WHATEVER THAT.
SO WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY THERE BASED ON THE SCORE.
UM, ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE, NEIL, UH, HAD, UH, SPONSORS CONSIDERATION.
A, A THOUGHT CAME TO MY MIND, UM, IS IT POSSIBLE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE DA FEES TO CREATE A SCHOLARSHIP FUND? AND HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW, WE WORK WITH A GROUP OF YOUNG STUDENTS FROM THE AREA AND COUNCIL, COULD WE SET UP A SCHOLARSHIP FUND? YOU KNOW, I COULD TALK, WE COULD TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A CRITERIA AND AWARD A SCHOLARSHIP EVEN IF IT'S $500 OR A THOUSAND DOLLARS TO KIDS FROM THE YOUTH COUNCIL.
DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? I LIKE THAT IDEA ON THE SPONSORSHIP.
AND I HAVE TO SAY, MY PROBLEM WITH THE SPONSORSHIP
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WAS BEFORE IS THESE FEES WERE COLLECTED FOR SCHOOL AND CONTINUING EDUCATION USE TO USE THAT MONEY TO, FOR A SPONSORSHIP FOR A GOLF TOURNAMENT.THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT STICKS IN MY THROAT.
THESE, THIS MONEY WASN'T, YOU KNOW, WASN'T COLLECTED FOR THAT.
I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE THOSE FUNDS GO BACK INTO SCHOLARSHIPS FOR THE STUDENTS THAT ARE HERE THAN TO GO, AND I LOVE GOLF, DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE THE VALIDITY OF USING THE MONEY FOR A GOLF TOURNAMENT AND HOW THAT CAN DIRECTLY RELATE TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS.
THE ONLY THING WITH, RIGHT, AND THE ONLY ONLY THING HAPPENS THERE IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE MAXIMIZING THE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO USE THOSE, THOSE, UH, GOLF TOURNAMENTS OR THOSE, THERE'S, THOSE ARE FUNDRAISING EVENTS UTILIZED BY THE SCHOOL TO BETTER THE SCHOOL OR WHATEVER PROGRAM THAT WE GET GET WITH.
SO, SO THE AFTERMATH IS THAT WE PUT IN 10,000, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY RAISED $400,000 FOR THAT.
CAUSE WE PUT A SMALL AMOUNT INTO THAT.
UM, SO OUR, OUR, I MEAN, IT, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PURPOSES OF THAT.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE PUT IN THERE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO REJECT ANYTHING THAT WE SEE THAT IF, IF THE CAUSE IS NOT WORTHY, THE, I MEAN, WE COULD SAY NO, THAT'S, WE CAN'T FUND IT THIS YEAR.
UH, SO THERE'S A LOT OF LIMITS AND STUFF THAT WE HAVE ALREADY IN PLACE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANT TO SUPPORT THE EDUCATION, BUT THE AFTERMATH OF WHAT THIS, THE PROGRAMS THAT WE WERE SPONSORING, IF IT'S SUPPORTING THE EDUCATION, THEN THAT SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD.
CAN WE, CAN WE, UH, INCLUDE THEN THE SCHOLARSHIP INTO THIS PROGRAM? YEAH, I JUST TAKING A QUICK CALL.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ALL IN FAVOR.
WE COULD BECAUSE THAT'S CERTAINLY, AND WE'D HAVE TO SET UP THE CRITERIA.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE, I HAVE KIDS WHO COME IN ONE MEETING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, WE, WE NEED TO SET UP THE CRITERIA.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO COME A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE AND WHATEVER QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO SET THAT UP AND MOVE IT FORWARD WITH THIS YEAR? OR WE WANT TO GET THAT IN PLACE BY NEXT YEAR? BUDGETS SIGNED.
WELL, I'M JUST, I'VE JUST STARTED THIS WEEK CONTACTING THE PRINCIPAL.
SO IT'LL BE, UH, THE FIRST MEETING WILL BE THE LATTER PART OF SEPTEMBER.
SO IF WE HAVE TIME TO DO IT THIS YEAR, AND THE COUNCIL'S OKAY WITH IT, I'D SAY LET'S, LET'S PUT IT IN PLACE THIS YEAR.
AND WHAT, WHAT WE COULD DO, INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT UNDER SPONSORSHIP REQUEST, WE TURN IT BACK AT THE, ONE OF THE AREAS AS, AS FAR AS, I MEAN WE PROMOTE WORKFORCE READINESS IS, AND THAT COULD BE A CRITERIA UNDER WORKFORCE READINESS THAT WE'RE GONNA FIND X AMOUNT OF, YOU COULD SAY, OKAY.
IF YOU'RE GOING INTO CERTAIN CATEGORIES.
SO, SO IT, IT MAY BE OPEN ENOUGH RIGHT NOW THAT WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE THAT BUILT INTO THAT UNDERNEATH THAT CATEGORY AND JUST SAY THAT.
SO IF YOU COULD, IT SEEMS LIKE THE COUNSEL WOULD LOVE TO.
THAT'S, SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT HERE.
UH, JESSICA WAS JUST GONNA BRIEFLY SHOW YOU THE NEXT FEW PAGES.
UM, THE PDF HERE, I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL THAT.
SHE'S JUST GONNA KIND OF SCROLL THROUGH THAT.
YOU ALL HAVE THIS, THIS, THIS TALKS ABOUT ALL THE GUIDELINES, THE STUFF THAT'S IN PLACE.
IT GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY, ALSO THE CONTROL.
UM, AND IT'S KIND OF, YOU CAN GO ON THROUGH IT, JESSICA, JUST SCROLL THROUGH IT.
SO BASICALLY THIS, A LOT OF THIS STUFF I JUST TOUCHED ON THROUGH THE POWERPOINT, BUT IT KIND OF OUTLINES THE STUFF AS FAR AS THE OVERALL GUIDELINES.
SO, UM, ONCE YOU GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE, I THINK WE GET TO THE, THE NEXT SECTION OF THE PDF, IT HAS THE CONTACT INFORMATION AWARD PROCESS.
THIS IS TALKS ABOUT THE, UH, HOW THE SCORING AND STUFF WILL TAKE PLACE.
SO THAT'S IN THERE, UH, HOW EACH OF THESE ARE SCORED.
UH, THE WAY, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW BASICALLY GET WEAK BA OR GOOD, UH, OR STRONG TYPE OF, UH, AND IT'S, UH, YOU'LL HAVE THREE SCORES THAT WE INDIVIDUALLY PICKED THAT'S NOT ASSOCIATED, ASSOCIATED WITH THE FOUNDATION.
UH, MORE THAN LIKELY OUR CITY EMPLOYEES THAT LOOK AT THIS, THAT HAVE REALLY, NO, I MEAN THEY HAVE EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND OR, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONALISM, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE REALLY A INTENT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO IF SOMEBODY SEPARATE JUST DOING A BLIND REVIEW OF THESE APPLICATIONS.
SO, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN DO THESE APPLICATIONS GOING ON? ONE OF THE REASONS I'M ASKING, I I'M HAVING LUNCH WITH DR NEXT WEEK.
UM, WILL BEYOND INFORMATION BE PUBLIC? AND IT WOULD BE PUBLIC BY NEXT WEEK.
AND WE, AND I WAS GONNA REACH OUT TO DR. GOFF AND, UH, AND MARY LEE AND STUFF, AS WELL AS ALSO USCB FOLKS, UH, AS FAR AS THE COLLEGE OF UNIVERSITIES, BUT ALSO MAKE THE INDIVIDUAL CONTACTS WITH THE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE AS WELL.
LEGAL IS ALL CHECKED OFF ON ALL OF THIS.
YEAH, I MEAN IT'S FOLLOWING THE SAME TYPE OF PROCESSES WE HAVE.
UH, IT'S NEVER BEEN BROUGHT TO HER.
I MEAN, WE, WE REVIEWED IT, CITY MANAGERS REVIEWED IT, UM, AND WE, WE FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S FITTING INTO THE SAME
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PROCESS WE HAD BEFORE.SO IT, UH, NOTHING KUDOS TO Y'ALL FOR DOING IT.
'CAUSE IT'S AN EXCELLENT PROGRAM.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ONE THING, I REMEMBER CAROLYN WAS ON THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME, IT WAS A SIMILAR KIND OF THING, AND A GROUP MISSED A DEADLINE AND DIDN'T GET THE GRANT BECAUSE THEY MISSED A DEADLINE.
IT WAS A SERIOUS KIND OF GET THAT THING IN ON TIME.
AND, UH, EVERYONE ELSE DID EXCEPT ONE GROUP.
AND, AND I WAS SURPRISED THAT WE DIDN'T DO IT, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS THE RIGHT DECISION.
AND SO I THINK WHEN YOU DO THIS, MAKE SURE EVERYONE GETS THINGS ON TIME AND YOU DON'T HAVE TWO OR THREE, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
AND THAT HAPPENED, THAT HAPPENED WITH THE DISCRETIONARY GRANTS RIGHT BEFORE WE MOVED IT OVER TO THE FOUNDATION.
AND RIGHT NOW WITH THE FOUNDATION, EVERYBODY'S CLEAR AND PRECISE OF WHAT THE GUIDELINES AND STUFF ARE AND WHAT THOSE DEADLINES AND STUFF ARE AS WELL.
SO WE, UH, SO WE'RE, WE ARE HANDLING THAT THROUGH OUR COMMUNICATION AND STUFF WITH THEM.
YEAH, AND I DON'T MIND, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE LEGALISTIC, BUT I REMEMBER THAT VERY CLEARLY.
I REMEMBER IT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, BUT I REMEMBER IT.
AND I THINK CAROLYN PROBABLY DOES TOO.
AND LIKE I SAID, SINCE WE MOVED TO THE ONLINE PROCESS AND THE FOUNDATION'S OVERSEEING THIS, WE'VE, WE'VE WENT PRETTY SMOOTHLY THROUGH ALL EVERYTHING OF THAT SORT.
SO, UH, JESSICA, WE GO TO THE APPLICATION AND SHOW 'EM RIGHT QUICK.
SO HERE'S THE ONLINE APPLICATION.
YOU'LL LOOK AND SEE, YOU'LL BE LIKE, WELL THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SOME, OKAY, UH, YOU HAVE INFORMATION STUFF, GO AHEAD AND GO SCROLL THROUGH IT, JESSICA.
AND, UH, IT'S A LONG, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THOROUGH AND FAST.
IT'S, IT'S NOT, DOESN'T TAKE YOU ALL DAY TO DO THIS.
SO THE PEOPLE THAT WE WORK WITH APPLY FOR APPLICA UH, GRANT APPLICATIONS ON A DAILY BASIS.
SO THESE FOLKS AND STUFF HAVE CLEANED BACK AND SAID, OH YEAH, THIS PROCESS IS REALLY SMOOTH.
AND WHAT HAPPENS HERE SHORT COMPARED TO SAYING AGAIN, IT, I, IT'S, UH, SOME, SOME APPLICATIONS TAKE PEOPLE WEEKS.
THIS TAKES A DAY MAYBE TO FILL OUT.
SO IT'S, UH, AND FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND STUFF THAT WE REWARD, A LOT OF THESE HAVE DROPDOWN BOXES, CHECK BOXES.
I MEAN, AND WHAT HAPPENS IS ONCE THEY FILL OUT AN APPLICATION, THEY JUST COPY PASTE, SUBMIT MATERIAL INTO ALL OF THIS ANYWAYS.
UM, SO ONCE THEY DO THIS, THEY HIT SUBMIT, I GET RECORD, I GET A NOTIFICATION THAT SOMEBODY SUBMITTED THIS APPLICATION.
THEN I HAVE THE ABILITY, ONCE EVERYBODY'S SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION, SO I CAN DO AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET, IT PRINTS OUT EVERYTHING I NEED TO PRINT OUT, UH, AS PART OF THIS.
SO WE CAN TAKE THAT SPREADSHEET STRAIGHT INTO THE SCORING COMMITTEE AND SAY, HEY, HERE, HERE'S THEIR APPLICATION.
WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ABOUT IT? AND THEY, THEY WORK THROUGH THE SCORING PROCESS THAT WAY.
IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, GREAT WORK.
THE REST MAYOR IS, UH, THE JODY SHOW FOR A WHILE NOW.
SO JODY'S SHOW THE JODY SHOW HERE.
GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I'M EXCITED TO BRING SOME PROGRESS TO MANY OF OUR PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING.
AND, UM, BEFORE I GET INTO THE, THE NEW ELEVATIONS AND THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE EXCITED TO SEE, I WANNA WALK BACK AND, AND GIVE A LITTLE HISTORY ON WHERE WE WERE AND HOW WE GOT HERE.
SO WE'RE DISCUSSING OLD CITY HALL, AND IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD FOUR TENANTS IN OLD CITY HALL.
UH, THEY'RE NO LONGER BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
AND UM, WE HAD THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN THE FRONT HERE.
AND THEN ON THE SIDE WE HAD MEDIA, THE AUDITOR TREASURER FROM THE COUNTY RESIDED HERE AND A SMALL OFFICE FOR LOW COUNTRY LEGAL WHERE, WHERE LOW COUNTRY LEGAL GO.
ARE THEY, OH, CURRENTLY, WHERE ARE THEY WORKING OUT OF? ARE THEY AT THE FAIRFIELD? THEY'RE CURRENTLY UTILIZING THE LIBRARY.
UH, AND WE, WE DON'T HAVE AN AUDITOR TREASURER SPACE.
SO OUR LAST WORKSHOP WE WENT THROUGH AND DISCUSSED IF WE WERE TO DO MINOR MODIFICATIONS, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN IF WE WERE TO TAKE THE EXISTING AND ADD A SECOND STORY, THE DIFFICULTY WITH THAT NUMBER BEING MORE EXPENSIVE THAN BUILDING NEW.
AND OPTION NUMBER THREE WAS TO BUILD NEW AND TRY AND KEEP THIS UNDER $3 MILLION.
SO, UM, OUR CONSTRUCTION COSTS, WE WENT INTO EXPLAINING DIFFERENT FACTORS WITH EACH OF THESE, UM, OPTIONS.
AND THEN OF COURSE, OUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL WAS TO ACCEPT OPTION NUMBER THREE AND BUILD NEW.
AND, UH, THE DIRECTIVES THAT CAME FROM THAT LAST COUNCIL MEETING OR WORKSHOP WAS TO IN FACT MOVE IN THE DIRECTION OF OPTION THREE, WHICH IS DEMOLISH THE BUILDING, BUT TO BUILD IT BACK TO LOOK LIKE WHAT IT IS TODAY.
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EXTERIOR FACADE.AND, UM, YOU ASKED THAT OUR ARCHITECTS PUT TOGETHER SOME RENDERINGS FOR HOW THAT WOULD LOOK, AND YOU WERE NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING A TWO STORY BUILDING BECAUSE OF COURSE WE'RE IN DIRE NEED OF THE SPACE.
AND, UM, YOU ALSO ASK THAT WE CONSIDER ALL THREE ALL THINGS STORM WATER RELATED PARKING, EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING INTO MEMORIAL PARK, WHICH IS NEIGHBORING THIS BUILDING.
AND THEN YOUR BIGGEST QUESTION WAS, WHO WILL OCCUPY THE BUILDING? SO THIS NEXT SLIDE, UH, I WANNA TALK A LITTLE ABOUT OUR CURRENT SHUFFLE, WHICH IS, UM, SIX OF OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE MOVING INTO NEW OFFICE SPACE, OR NOT NEW BUILDINGS, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE RELOCATING.
SO WE'VE GOT OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND INSPECTORS THAT ARE MOVING DOWN TO THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING IN BAY ONE.
AND THEN THE SIDS TEAM IS MOVING OUT OF THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING INTO THE FIRE HQ CONFERENCE ROOM, WHICH HAS BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.
OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT WILL MOVE BACK TOWARDS OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT WHERE THEY CURRENTLY SIT, AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL COME OUT TO WHERE FINANCE CURRENTLY SITS.
SO, UM, WE ARE CREATING A NEW SHARED CONFERENCE SPACE BACK WHERE THE OLD INSPECTORS, UM, ARE CURRENTLY RESIDING.
AND THEN TO TALK ABOUT WHERE EVERYONE IS GONNA GO PERMANENTLY AND WHAT WE SUGGEST FOR OCCUPANCY FOR THESE THREE BUILDINGS.
LET'S START WITH OLD CITY HALL.
IF WE BUILD A TWO STORY BUILDING THAT WOULD GIVE US APPROXIMATELY 7,000 SQUARE FEET AND, AND WE'RE PROPOSING FIVE OCCUPANTS.
THOSE FIVE OCCUPANTS WOULD BE OUR FIRE HEADQUARTERS AND EOC, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, A MUSEUM OR DISPLAY AREA, THE JASPER COUNTY AUDITOR TREASURER, AN OFFICE FOR BLUFF AND SELF-HELP, AND AN OFFICE FOR LOW COUNTRY LEGAL.
OUR EXISTING FIRE HEADQUARTERS, EOC BUILDING WOULD BECOME A PERMANENT HOME FOR OUR SIDS TEAM.
SO CURRENTLY BETWEEN FIRE AND SIDS, THAT BUILDING'S SIDS GOT ABOUT 11 TO 13 EMPLOYEES WORKING OUT OF THAT BUILDING.
AND, UM, ARE YOU ASKING WHAT THE ACRONYM IS FOR SIDS IPHONE
SO IT'S COMMUNICATION INFORMATION AND DIGITAL SOLUTIONS.
THAT WAS OUR IT DEPARTMENT AND OUR MEDIA DEPARTMENT THAT COMBINED, WHAT WAS THAT A YEAR AGO? OR MAYBE, YEAH.
SORRY, JODY, CAN WE JUST GO BACK, BACK UP? UH, 'CAUSE JOHN, THAT HAS A QUESTION AND, AND I HAD THE SAME ONE BACK A SLIDE OR FIRST FIVE OCCUPANTS.
WHY ARE WE TAKING HQ UH, FIRE HQ AND EOC OUT OF THE CURRENT SPACE AND MOVING INTO DOVER? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO WHAT, WHAT I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN ABOUT RIGHT NOW, THE FIRE HQ, EOC, UM, WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF ROOM.
WE HAD TO MOVE OUR SIDS TEAM INTO THAT BUILDING AND THEY'VE TAKEN OVER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S CONFERENCE ROOM AREA, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU A FLOOR PLAN AND A FEW OTHER SLIDES DOWN THE ROAD TO SHOW YOU THE DISTRIBUTION OF HOW WE'RE HOUSING EVERYBODY IN THAT BUILDING.
BUT WITH THE GROWTH AND WHAT OUR FIRE HEADQUARTERS AND EOC NEEDS WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE MOVE THEM OUT OF THIS BUILDING INTO THE NEW BUILDING.
AND THE, THE BIG REASON FOR THIS BECOMING THE PERMANENT HOME FOR SIDS IS THAT'S WHERE OUR SERVER, UH, ROOM IS LOCATED.
AND IF YOU REMEMBER, WE'RE ALSO SHARING THIS SPACE WITH HAR GRAY.
SO, UM, 1 0 2 MAIN STREET, WE'RE PROPOSING TWO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS GO THERE.
ONE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT, AND THE SECOND DEPARTMENT WOULD BE MY DEPARTMENT, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS DEPARTMENT.
SO, UH, FISCAL YEAR 27, WE'RE EXPECTING A TOTAL OF 23 PEOPLE FOR THIS ONE LITTLE HOUSE AND GARAGE.
AND THEN I'M GONNA TURN OVER THIS NEXT SLIDE TO OUR ARCHITECTS.
WE HAVE CORD ATKINS GROUP WITH US, AND THEY'RE GONNA SHOW YOU A FEW ELEVATIONS AND SOME FLOOR PLANS.
UM, THE, SO THE HARD GRADE BUILDING BECOMES ENTIRELY, UH, CID YES.
FOR SIX, WELL, SIX CURRENT, BUT UP TO 10 WITHIN TWO YEARS.
RIGHT? SOUNDS LIKE AN AWFUL BIG SPACE FOR SIX EMPLOYEES.
I I HAVE A FLOOR PLAN TO SHOW YOU THAT SPACE AND HOW IT WOULD BE DIVIDED UP.
SO WHAT, WE'LL GET TO THAT BUILDING FIRST.
WE'RE GONNA START WITH OLD CITY HALL AND THE FLOOR PLAN AND ELEVATIONS FOR THAT.
BUT I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN AND IT WELL, I JUST WANT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TIGHT SPACE, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE MAXIMIZING EVERYWHERE.
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WORRY.WE'RE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS, BUT, UM, OKAY, SO THIS IS JAMES ATKINS AND HE'S GONNA GO THROUGH SOME OF THE CONCEPT DRAWINGS.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY MISSED THE LAST MEETING.
I WAS OUT OF TOWN, BUT, UH, GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK ABOUT, UM, UH, THE OLD CITY HALL AND THE SENSE TO CREATE A SPACE THAT WAS, UH, UH, REFLECTIVE OF ITS HISTORY.
AND IT KIND OF TOOK ON THE CHARACTER OF THE OLD CITY HALL.
OBVIOUSLY THE BUILDING IS A COUPLE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND WE WERE TASKED WITH A PROGRAM OF 7,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MARRY THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING ON THE VETERANS PARK AND EVERYTHING ELSE HAS KIND OF MASTER PLANNED IN THERE.
AND SO WE WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, KIND OF A COMPOSITE DESIGN TOGETHER THAT WOULD FIT WITH ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT GOING ON IN THE PARK, AS WELL AS, UH, WHAT WE COULD DO FOR, UH, OLD CITY HALL.
SO, AND IT'S TWO STORIES, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A SINGLE STORY BUILDING.
SO IT WAS AN INTERESTING CHALLENGE, BUT, UH, WE'RE GONNA START WITH THIS.
UM, SO WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WAS TAKE THE, UH, OLD CITY HALL CHARACTER, UH, PROPORTIONS, UM, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE LESS EXPENSIVE TO KIND OF TEAR DOWN AND REBUILD IT LIKE THIS RATHER THAN RENOVATE IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALSO DO THAT AND THEN TAKE THE TWO STORY SECTION AND THE NEW, UM, PIECE AND PUSH IT BEHIND THAT SO THAT FROM THE STREETSCAPE WE WOULD STILL HAVE SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY, I KIND OF HONORED THE OLD CITY HALL.
UH, AND THEN WITH THE PROGRAM OF THE FIRE HEADQUARTERS AND THE EOC, WE PUSHED THAT INTO THE BACK.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN CREATE SOME, IF YOU REFLECT BACK TO SOME OF THE VETERANS PARK AND THE TIMBER FRAMING AND EVERYTHING IS TO KIND OF GIVE AN, AN UPDATED, UH, MORE, UH, CIVIC ENTRY, UH, THAT COULD ALSO TIE INTO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE PARK.
AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS, UH, WE'VE GOT THE OLD CITY HALL, UH, I'LL SHOW YOU A FLOOR PLAN WHERE WE CAN FIT A LOT OF THE, THE PUBLIC SERVICES AND THEN THE NEW SECTION, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, BRING SOME OUTSIDE IN AND NEW PUBLIC ENTRANCE.
MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THE MUSEUM, A COMMUNITY ROOM, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS CAN TAKE PLACE, UH, AT THE NEW ENTRANCE.
UH, QUICK FLOOR PLAN HERE, UH, TO ORIENT YOU.
JAMES, IF YOU COULD STAY TO THE MIC.
YOU, YOU DO HAVE A POINTER ON THERE.
UH, ALRIGHT, UH, WHERE'S THE GREEN BUTTON RIGHT THERE? GREEN LITTLE BUTTON.
ALRIGHT, SO RE REORIENT YOU HERE.
UM, THIS IS THAT NEW, UH, FACADE THAT, UH, KIND OF REFLECTS OLD CITY HALL AND THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD PROPOSE THE, THE, UH, KIND OF COMMUNITY, UH, ITEMS, THE, THE CHAMBER, LOW COUNTRY LEGAL BLUFFTON, SELF-HELP, AND AGAIN, FACING THE STREET.
UH, A GOOD PRESENCE THERE, PERHAPS THE HISTORY, UH, COMMUNITY ROOM, UH, RIGHT HERE AT THE ENTRY.
AND THEN A NEW ENTRY LOBBY FOR FIRE HEADQUARTERS.
AND THEN ON THE SECOND FLOOR, EOC, UH, TRAINING CENTER AND THE LIKE, THAT WOULD BE, UH, FOR THEIR USE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF WORK TO DO, BUT IT'S KIND OF HOW WE TOOK A, A PROPOSING TAKING A 7,000 SQUARE FEET OF PROGRAM AND TWO STORIES AND MARRYING IT, THE NEW AND THE OLD, AS WELL AS THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE, UM, TRUST OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF THE PRODUCT.
NEXT ONE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO HAVE AN UPDATE OF A CONCEPT BASED UPON THE FEEDBACK LAST TIME OF UM, WHAT HAS SOMETHING THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN CHARACTER WITH, UH, THE OLD CITY HALL, BUT, UH, PROVIDE A NEW FRESH UPDATE ON THAT.
AND AGAIN, TRYING TO KEEP THAT OLD CITY HALL TO THE FOREFRONT AND ALONG THE STREET SO THAT YOU CAN MAINTAIN THAT CHARACTER.
IF I MAY ASK A QUESTION THOUGH, I JUST HAVE TO PUT THIS OUT THERE.
WE'RE LOOKING TO MAXIMIZE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT USING THE TOTAL SPACE FOR OURSELVES FIRST BEFORE WE START DESIGNATING SPACE FOR EVEN THE LOW COUNTRY LEGAL VOLUNTEERS AND BLUFF AND SELF-HELP? I THINK THEY'RE BOTH GREAT ORGANIZATIONS, BUT SHOULD WE LOOK AT USING THE SPACE FOR OURSELVES FIRST AND THEN IF WE HAVE THE EXCESS SPACE DEDICATED TO THOSE UNITS? JUST MY THOUGHTS.
I PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT LOW COUNTRY LEGAL VOLUNTEERS AND LEFT AND SELF HELP HAVE BECOME PART OF US.
DO A LOT FOR THE CITY AND THEY DO A LOT FOR OUR LOT FOR THE CITY.
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IT OUT THERE, RIGHT? NO, IT IS SPACE NEEDS.THIS IS IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT POINT.
UM, THE, WHAT YOU DO HAVE TO, TO YOUR CONCERN, STEVE, THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE THERE.
THAT'S THAT BIG OPEN, I'LL CALL IT A COMMUNITY THAT COULD DOUBLE AS A CONFERENCE ROOM, THIS ROOM RIGHT HERE.
IT COULD HAVE HISTORICAL ARTIFACTS.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A MUSEUM, BUT IT COULD HAVE MUCH BETTER USE HISTORICAL ARTIFACTS AS, AS BE MULTIPURPOSE AND EVERYONE IN, IN THAT FIRST FLOOR COULD USE THAT.
SO, UM, I I REALLY FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE NEED TO, OKAY.
NO, IT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION, BUT I KNOW THIS IS MORE OF A NEIL THING, BUT A LOT OF, A LOT OF FUNDING ALSO GOES WITH HELPING SUPPLY SOME OF THESE SPACES.
SO OUR NEXT SLIDE IS THE VERY QUESTION THAT YOU, MR. MAYOR, WERE ASKING ABOUT OUR EOC SLASH FIRE HEADQUARTERS AND NOW SID'S BUILDING.
SO THIS IS YOUR FRONT OF YOUR BUILDING.
IF YOU WALK IN THE DOOR HERE TO YOUR LEFT IS KIND OF AN OPEN RECEPTION AREA.
AND EVERYTHING IN THIS DARKER GREEN IS OUR FIRE HEADQUARTERS SPACE.
OUR TRAINING OFFICER OR CHIEF SITS HERE, AND THEN THIS IS THE EOC SLASH TRAINING ROOM.
AND THEN YOU COME DOWN THE HALL AND THIS IS WHERE THE NEW SIDS TEAM WILL BE OCCUPYING SHORTLY.
IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THIS IS THE SERVER ROOM.
UM, AND THEN OVER HERE IN GREEN IS ALSO OUR FIRE HEADQUARTERS.
HAR GRAY OCCUPIES ALL OF THIS YELLOW ZONE AND THEN THE WHITE AREAS ARE ALL SHARED SPACE.
SO ALTHOUGH THE BUILDING SEEMS LARGE ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE, IT'S, IT'S SHOVING QUITE A FEW PEOPLE IN THIS LITTLE SPACE HERE.
WE'VE GOT FIVE CUBICLES GOING IN AND TWO, UH, OFFICES.
SO THOSE SEVEN PEOPLE WILL BE OUT OF SPACE WITHIN A YEAR AND A HALF WHEN THE REMAINING THREE ARE HIRED FOR THAT DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO GOING INTO THE NEXT, UH, JOE, A QUESTION ON THE RIGHT, THE DARK GREEN AREA THAT'S NOW FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WHAT, WHAT'S THAT ON? I'M SO SORRY.
CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? THE DARK GREEN AREA ON THE RIGHT, RIGHT.
TODAY IS THERE'S A, THAT BIG GREEN ROOM AND THEN YOU HAVE THE OTHER GREEN SPACES.
WHAT'S THAT GOING TO BE? CORRECT.
SO I FAILED TO MENTION THAT THIS WILL BECOME A NEW MEDIA STUDIO SPACE.
THE STUDIO THAT WE, WE'VE BEEN WANTING TO PROVIDE THEM FOR MANY YEARS, UH, WE WILL CONVERT THAT SPACE AND, AND WHEN THE SIDS TEAM TAKES OVER THIS BUILDING, THERE'S MINOR MODIFICATIONS THAT WILL BE DONE TO THIS BUILDING.
SO THE WALLS THAT ARE IN PLACE, FORTUNATELY CAN BE REUSED AND IT'S NOT A MASSIVE RENOVATION PROJECT.
SO THE NEXT SLIDE, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO JAMES ATKINS AND HAVE HIM PRESENT HIS VERY CONCEPTUAL EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS ONE OF TWO, UH, KIND OF TALKING WITH, UH, JODY AND KIND OF MOVING DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND THINGS AROUND.
UM, WE WERE TASKED WITH, UH, UPDATING 1 0 2 MAIN STREET, UM, AND A, THEY CALL IT A LIGHT REFRESH, UM, WITHOUT KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS.
SO WE, WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED HERE IS WHERE THIS LITTLE FRONT ENTRY IS.
IT'S BASICALLY JUST REBUILDING THAT, PROVIDE SOME, UH, ACCESSIBILITY TO THE SPACE, UH, WITH, UH, A RAMP AND A NEW ENTRY.
AND THEN SOMETHING THAT, UH, AGAIN, MIGHT TIE INTO SOME OF THE TRELLIS DETAILING AND THINGS TO EXTEND, UH, SOME OF THE CHARACTER THAT'S GOING ON NEXT DOOR ACROSS THE STREET, BUT IN A MUCH MORE SUBTLE WAY.
UM, AND AGAIN, I JUST LET ALL THIS KINDA JUST CLEANING MAINTENANCE GENERAL, YOU KNOW, TIDINESS AND THEN WITH, WITH THE, THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON NEXT DOOR AND, AND SOME OF THE PARKING THAT JODY'S GONNA TALK ABOUT, KIND OF REDEFINING THAT FRONT ENTRY ELEMENT.
UM, AND SOME SOLVE SOME ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FROM A FLOOR PLAN PERSPECTIVE, AGAIN, UH, TRYING TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ON THE INSIDE, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING OBVIOUSLY SOME ACCESSIBLE RESTROOMS AND THEN THE, UH, BUILDING DEPARTMENT HERE IN THE GLUE AND THEN SOME GROWTH OPPORTUNITIES OVER HERE, UH, IN THE GARAGE IN THE BACK.
SO THERE'S SOME CONNECTION THERE.
PROBABLY WOULD NEED TO ADD A RESTROOM FACILITY OF SORTS OVER THERE.
UM, AND THEN CFP AND GREEN, SO TRYING TO MAINTAIN SOME OF THIS EXISTING WALLS, MAYBE ADD A COUPLE THINGS, UH, UH, PARTITIONS, BUT LEAVING THIS AS CLOSE
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TO THE INSIDE.AND AGAIN, SOME NEW FINISHES, SOME LIGHT LIGHT UPDATING.
AND THEN JUST REALLY FOCUS ON, UM, I THINK THAT'S IT, YEAH.
SO I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND I'M TRYING TO BREEZE THROUGH THESE, BUT WE CAN COME BACK.
UM, I'M GONNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR PARKING SITUATION BECAUSE THAT ALWAYS COMES UP AS ONE OF OUR MAJOR CONCERNS AND IT IS A MAJOR CONCERN.
IT'S, IT'S NO LONGER JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM.
IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY MASSIVE ONE.
SO WHEN WE ACQUIRED 1 0 2 MAIN STREET, THIS IS THE BUILDING GARAGE THAT'S HERE AND WE HAVE OUR, WHAT I CONSIDER MOST BEAUTIFUL TREE IN THE ENTIRE CITY OF HARDY V THE CANOPY IS ABOUT THIS BIG.
UM, WE ALSO ACQUIRED A PORTION OF ONE OH FOUR'S LOT.
THEY SUBDIVIDED THAT AND GAVE THAT TO US.
AND WHILE WE PURCHASED THAT, UH, AND THIS PIECE BACK HERE WAS PART OF ONE OH TWO'S LOT.
SO OUR VISION WAS TO CREATE ADDITIONAL PARKING BACK HERE FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND COURTS.
AND THEN AS WE HAD SOME ENGINEERS OUT ON SITE, WHAT WE DECIDED WAS IT WOULD BE BEST IF WE COME IN OFF OF MARTIN STREET AND AVOIDS A LOT OF DOT REQUIREMENTS THAT TO DO A CURB CUT HERE IS GONNA BE DIFFICULT.
THAT WE CAN DO A ONE-WAY DRIVE LANE IN THIS CAN BE UP TO 23 PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD SERVICE STAFF PARKING FOR THIS BUILDING AND THIS BUILDING.
AND THEN A ONE-WAY DRIVE LANE DOWN TO THIS STAFF PARKING, WHICH WOULD BE MOSTLY PATROL OFFICERS AND THE COURTS.
AND THEN ALL OF THIS SHADED IN YELLOW WOULD BECOME REWORK OF EXISTING.
A LOT OF THE CURB CUTS THAT ARE OUT THERE ARE NOT PLACED PROPERLY.
IF WE WANNA MATCH LINE EVERYTHING WITH WHAT'S GOING ON AT MEMORIAL PARK, WE WANNA BRING THAT SAME DRIVE LANE THROUGH AND HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY.
UM, IF WE REWORK WHAT WE HAVE THERE RIGHT NOW, IT'S BELIEVED WE CAN ADD AN ADDITIONAL 40 SPACES.
SO IF YOU GET 40 SPACES HERE, 50 SPACES HERE, ANOTHER 23 SPACES HERE, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO ADDING OVER A HUNDRED SPACES, WHICH IS, UM, DESPERATELY NEEDED.
AND THEN OF COURSE OVER HERE, THIS AREA THAT TIES IN WITH MEMORIAL PARK THAT WAS PROJECTED TO, UM, GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE LIBRARY PARKING AND, AND KIND OF MIRROR WHAT WE HAVE THERE.
BUT, UH, OUR A HUNDRED, 170,000 SQUARE FOOT OF REWORK, THIS IS NO SMALL JOB, THIS PARKING JOB, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY WILL IT IMPEDE ACCESS FOR MANY OF OUR USERS DOWN THERE, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DIVIDE IT UP AND, AND DO IT IN SECTIONS.
SO, UM, THE NEXT SLIDE TALKS A LITTLE, GO BACK THERE FOR A MINUTE.
THE, UM, THE EXISTING PARKING LOTS, YOU SAY THEY'LL BE REWORKED, WILL THEY STILL HAVE PARKING? OH YES.
WHEN I SAY REWORKED, I'M TALKING ABOUT TAKING A LOT OF THESE EXISTING GREEN SPACES OUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOME PRETTY UNUSUAL CURB CUTS HERE THAT, UM, OVERSIZED AREAS OF GREEN SPACE THAT WE CAN USE FOR PARKING.
NOW, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY TREES AND SHRUBS? NO, WE'RE GONNA ABSOLUTELY LANDSCAPE THAT AREA TO COMPLIMENT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE OVERALL MUNICIPAL HUB VIEW OR VISION.
SO, UM, WHEN I SAY REWORKING, IT'S, IT'S GETTING RID OF SOME OF THE UNNECESSARY GREEN SPACE AND CREATING ADDITIONAL PARKING.
HOW MUCH PARKING DO WE NEED? A LOT.
I, I HAVEN'T DONE A STUDY AND I HAVEN'T HAD A TRAFFIC ENGINEER INVOLVED, BUT ON ANY GIVEN DAY WHEN I'M DOWN THERE JUST TRYING TO DO INSPECTIONS ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE PARKED ALL ALONG BOTH SIDES OF MARTIN STREET, WHICH IS A HASSLE FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND A HAZARD.
UM, CURRENTLY WE HAVE THIS GRASSY AREA BEING USED TO PARK OVER 20 OF OUR VEHICLES.
THAT'S NOT JUST ONCE IN A WHILE.
UH, THE REASON FOR MY QUESTION IS IF WE KNOW HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS WE NEED, THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE BUILT.
WE'RE JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE OKAY, WE'RE BUILDING ALL THESE EXTRA PARKING SPACES WITHOUT REALLY KNOWING HOW MANY WE NEED.
WELL THAT'S, IT'S A POINT WELL TAKEN WHEN WE DO THE OCCUPANCY CALCULATIONS FOR THIS BUILDING, THIS BUILDING, THIS BUILDING, OUR CURRENT COURTS AND POLICE, WE WILL HAVE EXACT NUMBERS ON THAT.
I, I THINK WE SHOULD BUILD TO THE NEED, RIGHT? WE ARE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IF WE DON'T NEED ALL THAT SPACE FOR PARKING, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN UTILIZE THE NEW PARKING AREA KNOWING THAT WE HAVE STORM WATER RETENTION ISSUES,
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UH, FOR THE VETERANS PARK AREA.WHERE'S ALL THAT? IF WE'RE PUTTING HARD SURFACE ON ALL THAT, WHERE'S ALL THAT WATER GONNA GO? WELL, AND THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED.
UM, OUR CIVIL ENGINEERS HAVE ALREADY STARTED THAT DISCUSSION AND A LOT OF WHAT FLOWS IN THIS DIRECTION.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA PRETEND THAT I UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S, IT'S BEST, UM, TO, TO TAKE THIS WATER.
BUT WE DO HAVE INLETS ALONG MARTIN STREET AND THEN THERE'S A RETENTION BASIN BACK THIS WAY, A DITCH LINE THAT GOES OUT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THAT VERY SMALL RETENTION BASIN THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT AT THE MEMORIAL PARK THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO ENLARGE THAT OR ADD A SECOND ONE.
SO IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF WORK AND WE'RE IN THE VERY CONCEPTUAL PHASE OF EVERYTHING, SO WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT INFORMATION ON WHERE IT'S GONNA BE DISCHARGED.
THE, WE'LL LOSE THE GREENERY BETWEEN, UH, UH, THE HOME THERE ON MAIN STREET AND, UH, THE REAR OF, UH, THIS, THE HARD GRAY BUILDING.
WE'RE GONNA LOSE THAT GREEN, THE GREENERY THROUGH THERE.
UH, WE WILL MITIGATE AND OF COURSE WE WILL STICK TO OUR ORDINANCE AND, AND PROVIDE WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR OUR PARKING LOTS.
JOHN, I'M SAYING WHAT
UH, THE OTHER THING I HAVE TO BRING INTO ATTENTION, LIKE RIGHT NOW, OUR EOC BUILDING, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE HAVE UPWARDS OF SIX DIFFERENT AGENCIES COMING DOWN TO DO TRAINING.
AND SO, I MEAN, EVEN WHEN WE MOVE THE EOC TO THIS DEPARTMENT, THAT WON'T CHANGE.
WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THOSE AGENCIES COMING HERE AND AND, AND THIS PARKING WILL NOT SUFFICE FOR ALL OF THAT.
THERE WILL BE OVERFLOW INTO THESE AREAS.
SO THE NEXT SLIDE I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE.
AND AGAIN, IT'S REALLY HARD TO GIVE YOU FIRM NUMBERS UNTIL WE GET DESIGN IN PLACE AND WE START GOING OUT TO BID.
THINGS ARE CHANGING AS, YOU KNOW, 25 TO 30% MONTHLY, NOT, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, YEARLY, BUT THE OLD CITY HALL BUDGET.
UH, WE SHOWED THAT AS A, A ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2.8 AND 3.1 MILLION BASED ON 7,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT INCLUDES LANDSCAPING, BUT THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE PARKING, THAT'S NOT INCLUDING, UM, SOME OF THE SITE WORK NEXT TO IT.
AND THEN 1 0 2 MAIN STREET, WE'RE PROPOSING TO TRY AND RENOVATE THAT HOUSE AT $300,000, BUT THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE TREE PRESERVATION COSTS, WHICH I HAVEN'T EVEN TOUCHED ON.
BUT THAT TREE WILL BE WORKED ON.
FIRST, WE WOULD PUT UP FENCING AROUND THAT CANOPY TO ENSURE THAT ANY CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THIS ZONE WOULD NOT BE COMING CLOSE TO THAT TREE OR DAMAGING THAT TREE IN ANY WAY.
AND THEN OUR SITE WORK WOULD ALSO BE EXCLUDED BECAUSE I KIND OF ADDED IT TO THIS BUDGET.
SO IF WE, IN A, A WORLD OF, YOU'RE GONNA APPROVE EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, WE'RE SAYING THAT 170,000 SQUARE FOOT OF PARKING SPACE THAT I PROPOSED IN THE YELLOW IS ROUGHLY AROUND $2 MILLION.
AND THAT'S, AGAIN, VERY ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE UNTIL WE GET A DESIGN IN PLACE.
BUT THAT $2 MILLION ISN'T JUST ASPHALT.
THAT'S YOUR STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT'S YOUR ENGINEERING THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.
BUT IT WOULD BE MORE IN THE FUTURE THOUGH, IF WE DON'T DO IT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO ASPHALT EVERYTHING.
IF WE WERE TO GRAVEL SOME OF IT TO START OFF WITH JUST TO GET SOME PARKING IN PLACE, WE CAN COME BACK AND WE CAN PUT HARDSCAPE IN LATER.
SO THERE'S WAYS TO GET WHAT WE NEED TEMPORARILY.
IT'S JUST, UM, THE ONLY THING I CAN'T DO IS IN OUR POLICE PATROL AREA, WE CAN'T PUT GRAVEL BECAUSE OF WHEN THEY HAVE TO DEPART AT HIGH RATES OF SPEED, WE DON'T WANT THEM THROWING ROCK.
WE NEED, WE NEED HARDSCAPE THERE.
I THINK YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT THE RIGHT WAY.
THAT'S FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IF WE COULD USE PERMEABLE IN ANY OF ALL OF THIS, YEAH.
IT WOULD HELP THE DRAINAGE THAT WE, WE, WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES.
SO I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, STEVE, WHEREVER IT COULD BE USED, AND I UNDERSTAND IT CAN'T BE IN THE POLICE.
WE DON'T WANT IT WHERE OUR HANDICAPPED PARKING IS, BUT OTHER PLACES, IF WE COULD USE IT, IT'D BE GREAT.
THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO, TO DESIGN THIS.
AND AGAIN, IT'S GETTING TO THE POINT OF DO WE START THE DESIGN NOW? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANNA PROCEED WITH? UM, THE NEXT SLIDE, PRIORITIES.
EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY NEEDS EVERYTHING.
AND, AND WE HAVE GONE THROUGH OUR SPACE NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
AND WHAT I'M PROPOSING HERE IS THAT OLD CITY HALL HAS TO BE BUILT BEFORE WE DO ANY TYPE OF RETROFITTING ON 30 MARTIN STREET.
THIS IS A PREDECESSOR TO 30 MARTIN STREET.
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AND THEN 1 0 2 MAIN STREET IS A FAIRLY INEX INEXPENSIVE FIX TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF OUR OVERCROWDING.AS SOON AS WE PUT THAT $300,000 INTO THAT BUILDING, IT GETS IT LIVABLE.
IT'S CODE COMPLIANT, AND WE CAN MOVE SOME STAFF INTO THAT BUILDING AND THAT STAFF WOULD BE OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT COMING OUT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
AND THEN OUR THIRD PRIORITY IS WE HAVE TO WORK ON THE SITE.
WE HAVE TO GET SOME PARKING IN PLACE BECAUSE EVEN ALLEVIATING SOME OF THE OVERCROWDING WITH OUR BUILDINGS, THAT DOESN'T ALLEVIATE WHERE OUR STAFF WILL PARK.
SO OUR STAFF WILL BE PARKING IN GRASS UNTIL WE CAN GET THAT SITE WORK COMPLETE.
AND THEN NUMBER FOUR WOULD BE TO RETROFIT 30 MARTIN STREET FOR OUR SIDS TEAM, WHICH AGAIN, I SAID IS A VERY MINOR RETROFIT.
THEY'RE PUTTING UP NEW EQUIPMENT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, RETROFITTING THAT TRAINING CENTER TO BECOME A MEDIA CENTER.
AND THEN CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? SURE.
MAY HAVE A TIMELINE ON ONE AND TWO, LIKE FROM START TO FINISH, WHAT'S YOUR PROJECTION THERE? UH, SO THE TIMELINE ON OLD CITY HALL, BECAUSE THAT IS A COMPLETE DEMO AND REDO, I CAN'T SEE US GETTING DESIGNED BEFORE EIGHT MONTHS.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOTTA GO IN FOR PERMITTING.
SO PERMITTING WITH B-J-W-S-A AND, AND EVERYONE IS GOING TO BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN FOUR AND EIGHT MONTHS.
SO IT'S TWO AND A HALF YEAR PROJECT.
YOU HEAR WITH THAT, JUST SORT OF THE PLANNING? YEAH, RIGHT.
UM, 1 0 2 MAIN STREET MUCH EASIER BECAUSE THIS IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE.
SO B-J-W-S-A IS GONNA LOOK AT WHAT ADDITIONAL LOAD WE'RE PUTTING ON THAT STRUCTURE, WHICH FOR A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE, GOING INTO A COMMERCIAL USE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT NOT THAT MUCH.
UM, SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE A TERRIBLE TIMEFRAME FOR THEM TO REVIEW THAT PERMIT.
AND THEN WE GO THROUGH OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND, UM, PUT IT OUT FOR BID SO THAT THAT'S A MUCH EASIER, UH, THIS ISN'T A, A BIG DESIGN IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE'RE UTILIZING A LOT OF THE EXISTING WALLS.
IT'S, IT'S JUST THROWING IN WHAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO DO TO THE FLOORS AND WALLS.
I MEAN, PAINT SOME FLOORING, NEW LIGHTING, SOME MEP THAT NEEDS UPGRADED TO BE CODE COMPLIANT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT DOES WORK AT THE HVAC WORKS AND YEAH.
SO ONE AND TWO CAN BE CONCURRENT PROFITS.
MM-HMM,
SO BASICALLY JUST UNDER FOUR MIL FOR THOSE TWO ALONE.
AND THEN OUR CITYWIDE PROJECTS.
I WANTED TO THROW THIS SLIDE AS A REMINDER BECAUSE OF OUR SPACE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, THAT WAS DONE WITH MCMILLAN PAZ AND SMITH.
IF YOU REMEMBER, THEY DID AN OVERALL SCORE ON THE BUILDINGS, AND THEN THEY ALSO EXPLAINED WHERE THEY FELT SOME OF OUR DEPARTMENTS WERE, UM, SHOULD I SAY IN DIRE NEED OF SPACE.
UH, THEY PUT TOGETHER THIS LITTLE CHART THAT SHOWS THAT TODAY WE'RE 31,000 SQUARE FEET DEFICIENT ON SPACE.
WITHIN 10 YEARS WE NEED 62,000, AND WITHIN 20 YEARS WE NEED A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF SPACE.
SO WHEN LOOKING AT OUR CITYWIDE PRIORITIES, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM THIS PRIORITY LIST FOCUSING ON THESE BUILDINGS.
OUR CITYWIDE PRIORITIES, AS I UNDERSTAND, IS OLD CITY HALL.
AND THEN OF COURSE, OUR SIDS TEAM NEEDING A PERMANENT SPACE.
THEY'VE BEEN, I I SHOULD SAY FLEXIBLE FOR WAY TOO LONG.
AND THEN WE HAVE A NEW POLICE DEPARTMENT COMING IN, THIRD 1 0 2 MAIN STREET, FOURTH, AND THEN ADDITIONS TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING NUMBER FIVE.
AND THEN NUMBER SIX IS TO BUILD A NEW CITY HALL BEHIND OUR EXISTING.
AND NUMBER SEVEN IS FIRE STATION 83.
SO OF THIS BUILDING SCORE, THAT'S HOW WE ARE SHOWING THOSE PRIORITIES, WHICH IS A LITTLE OVERWHELMING.
AND I'M TRYING NOT TO OVERWHELM YOU, SO I'M GONNA SKIP THROUGH THAT.
SO, UH, JODY, IT IT'S EASY FOR US TO SAY GO AHEAD AND DO EVERYTHING, BUT YEAH, THERE'S GOTTA BE A, A FINANCE YEAH.
FINANCING PLAN ATTACHED TO THAT.
ARE WE READY FOR THAT? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A FINANCING PLAN OR HOW YOU'RE GONNA FUND EACH OF THESE.
NO, THIS IS, THIS IS GETTING TO THAT POINT.
ONCE WE GET THE DIRECTIVE THAT YES, THIS IS, THIS IS HOW
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YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED, THEN WELL, OUR CITY MANAGER AND OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR WILL GET TO TOGETHER AND, AND DISCUSS HOW SOME OF THIS WILL BE FINANCED.I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL NEEDS.
IT NEEDS FUNDING OPTIONS TO SAY.
WE KNOW WE NEED ALL THAT, BUT HOW DO WE GET THERE? AND I WOULD, I WOULD, AS WE DISCUSSED IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, I'D PUT ONE IN FOUR CONCURRENT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE A ONE, UH, ONE B OR ONE FOUR.
YEAH, THEY, THEY HAVE TO GO HAND IN HAND.
ONE, ONE AND FOUR, WHICH WE DISCUSSED IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE THAT THEIR CONCURRENT RIGHT.
WE SHOULD GO RIGHT AWAY ON THOSE TWO AND GET US A, A FUNDING PROPOSAL ON HOW WE, HOW WE GET TO THAT POINT.
YOU YOU AGREE WITH THAT? OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
WE HAD ALLOCATED SOME MINIMAL AMOUNT OF FUNDING FOR SOME ENGINEERING AND DESIGN, BUT IN, IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET.
BUT CERTAINLY WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO FIGURE OUT.
AND, AND TO MR. DAVIS'S POINT, WE DO, I MEAN, HOW WE'VE EVEN STARTED SOME OF THESE CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS IS BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS APPROVED FOR THOSE INITIAL CONCEPTS.
AND THEN OUR TIMELINE, UM, BACK TO OLD CITY HALL, WE VACATED THAT IN APRIL, AND THEN THEY STARTED THE DEMO OF THE INTERIOR AND THE EXPLORATORY PHASE LED US TO COMING TO YOU IN JUNE.
AND THEN HERE WE ARE IN AUGUST ASKING FOR A CONCURRENCE ON DIRECTION.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN GO BACK TO ANY SLIDE, I HOPE.
UM, IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR SLIDE I WENT OVER TOO QUICKLY FOR YOU THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS? I JUST THINK, UH, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL IS.
WE JUST HAVE TO MONEY, YOU KNOW, APPROVE HOW WE'RE GONNA GO FOR IT.
UH, ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE DESIGNS THAT COUNCIL HAS? NO, I THINK WE'RE IN THE PRELIMINARY STAGES ON SOME OF IT, BUT WE DO KNOW ONE IN FOUR HAVE TO BE OUR PRIORITY AT THIS TIME.
AND, AND THEY CAN, ONE IN FOUR CAN IMMEDIATELY ADD TO SPACE NEEDS IN TOTAL FOR THE CITY, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THE FUNDING IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE A ZILLION DOLLARS.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT $40 MILLION, WHICH THAT WOULD BE THAT.
I LOOKED OVER TO SAM TO SEE WHAT HE WOULD REACTIVE, SAY NOTHING, KNOWING THAT IT WOULD TAKE US ABOUT FIVE YEARS TO GET A NEW CITY HALL BUILT.
THIS WILL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT PROBLEM IS TRUE TOO.
UM, I'D LIKE TO, FOR STAFF AND ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC HERE, UH, I'D WELCOME ANY COMMENTS, ANY OPINIONS, UH, ON ONE OR TWO AND OR TWO.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? UM, PLEASE SHARE 'EM WITH THE COUNCIL.
MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
I'M SO PLEASED WITH THE DESIGN OF THE OLD CITY HALL BUILDING AND THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO PRESERVE THAT FACADE.
IT'S ABSOLUTELY THE CONCEPT I THOUGHT MARRIED THE OLD WITH THE NEW, AND IT'S ALMOST KIND OF LIKE HARDY V.
WE HAVE A, HIS VERY HISTORIC HARVILLE, AND WE HAVE A NEW HARDY V AND IT'S ALMOST, UM, KIND OF A, UM, UH, ILLUSTRATION OF EXACTLY WHAT THE CORE OF HARDY V IS, IS MARRYING THE OLD WITH THE NEW ONE.
I, I THINK IT'S AN EXCEPTIONAL CONCEPT.
THE WHOLE IDEA, KEEPING THAT, THAT FLAVOR ALONG ONE OF TWO MAIN OR ALONG MAIN STREET IN TOTAL IS, IS IMPORTANT.
NO, I JUST, JODY HAD, LET ME TAKE A LITTLE, LITTLE, LITTLE EEK, UM, AFTER THE PRESS THING THE OTHER DAY.
AND, UM, CAROLYN'S RIGHT? I MEAN, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE, IT'S THE OLD ALONG WITH THE NEW, BUT THAT OLD PART MEANS A LOT TO SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS HERE PRESERVING THAT.
I LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THE TREE THAT JOHN CLIMBED WHEN HE, THAT WAS A LITTLE SEEDLING
AND TOGETHER WE'RE ALL GOING CLIMB THAT TREE.
I, I PROPOSE THAT TREE TO BE OUR NEW SEAL.
'CAUSE IT'S JUST SO BEAUTIFUL.
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OLD.SO YOU REALLY BEAUTIFUL
I THINK INCORPORATING THAT AREA AROUND THAT TREE INTO A, UH, WHAT WOULD YOU WANT TO CALL IT? A PASSIVE PARK? MM-HMM.
IS AN EXCELLENT USE OF THE SPACE IN IT.
IT SHOWS OUR HERITAGE JUST AS MUCH AS THE FACADE OF, UH, THE CITY HALL DOES.
THAT'S WHY JODY WANTED TO SPEND THAT, UH, AMOUNT OF MONEY TO MAKE SURE ALL THAT AIR IS PRESERVED AND PROTECTED, RIGHT? WE'VE, WE'VE REACHED OUT TO NATIONAL FOLKS WHO UNDERSTAND WHAT ACTUAL TREE PRESERVATION LOOKS LIKE.
SO, UM, WE'RE NOT JUST GETTING ANY ARBORISTS.
WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE THAT HAVE RELOCATED TREES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
NOW OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT RELOCATING THIS TREE, BUT WE WANT FOR THAT ROOT SYSTEM TO BE UNDISTURBED.
AND IT WILL MAKE FOR A BEAUTIFUL, WHAT I LIKE TO CALL ZEN GARDEN FOR ALL OF OUR STAFF AND PUBLIC TO USE.
I MEAN, WITH EVERYONE BEING SO CLOSE BY, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S HIDDEN NOW, BUT I WANNA SHOWCASE LATER.
ANYONE ELSE FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, STAFF? PLEASE FEEL FREE.
SO AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AS I'M LEARNING MORE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY, IT, DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE SINCE YOU'RE KIND OF BUSTING AT THE SEAM? DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO HAVE LIKE, HYBRID WORK FROM HOME ROLES? OR ARE THERE CURRENTLY HYBRID WORK FROM HOME ROLES FOR CERTAIN? THERE ARE NO CURRENT HYBRID WORK FROM HOME, BUT I LOVE THAT IDEA.
YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S EITHER THAT OR MOBILE'S WE'RE GONNA GET TO THAT POINT IF WE DON'T CONTINUE TO BUILD WHAT WE NEED.
WE'VE SEEN MAJOR CORPORATIONS SHUT DOWN THEIR HEADQUARTERS AND TAKE EVERYONE VIRTUAL OR, OR WORK FROM HOME.
I MEAN, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY SAVED THEM MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND TOTAL PAPER COSTS AND, AND TO, YOU KNOW, ALL ALL THAT OTHER KIND OF STUFF.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS EVER A, AN OPTION PRESENTED BEFORE, BUT SIDS DOES HAVE ONE CURRENTLY THAT'S WORKING REMOTELY THAT'S A CONTRACT EMPLOYEE.
BUT IT'S STILL, IT'S REPLACED A CURRENT POSITIONING CURRENTLY.
WELL, I THINK THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT IF STAFF HAS RECOMMENDATIONS THAT BRING TO COUNCIL, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE DISCUSS IT, I THINK, I DON'T THINK ANY INNOVATIVE IDEA HAS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT CERTAINLY HAS A ROLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD PUT A CAUTION, MS. BRENA, UM, WE HAVE ALSO A, A BUILDING THAT HAS SOME HISTORICAL IMPACT, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT A SPECIAL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, IT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE DEMO HOUSE.
AND, AND I THINK THIS COUNCIL, BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SAID BEFORE, WOULD HAVE GREAT CONCERN WITH THAT.
WE WILL KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT SOONER AND JUST KEEP US INFORMED, BECAUSE WE DO, WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF PAIN, SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY TO KEEP THE CHARACTER OF MAIN STREET NOW HERE.
WE'RE GONNA GO AND DEMOLISH THE OLD LIBRARY, AND THAT CAUSES ME SOME ANGST.
HOW OLD IS THAT BUILDING, JOHN? IT'S BEEN HERE A WHILE.
I MEAN, IT CAN'T A LITTLE BIT LATER ON COMPARED TO LIKE, STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S BEEN A WHILE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KEEPING MAIN STREET NOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DEMOLISHING THE BUILDING AND PUTTING UP A FOUR STORY STRUCTURE STUFF TOO, STILL.
IT'S, IT'S, IT CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THE STREET.
IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, LET'S JUMP IN WITH BOTH FEET.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE ALONG MAIN STREET TO HAVE WHAT WE'RE DOING WORKING ON HERE AND THEN HAVING SO MATTER ACROSS THE STREET.
IT'S, UH, JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT PROPERTY IS, IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED RIGHT NOW, AND WE, AND THERE ARE NO PROTECTIONS AFFORDED IT RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN THAT WE REALLY, AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE NO WAY TO STOP A DEMOLITION ON THAT PROPERTY.
I'M JUST JUST POINTING THAT OUT AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT WE CAN BE PERHAPS PERSUASIVE.
IT DID A WONDERFUL JOB DESIGNING.
WE, THE FRONT STAYED THE SAME, BUT LOT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE BACK.
MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT CAN BE DONE AS WELL USING THE POWERS OF PERSUASIVENESS.
I THINK THAT, UH, POWER OF PERSUASIVE, INCLUSIVE, I HEAR BY THE ORDINANCE, BUT YES, SIR.
COULD WE BE, WOULD WE BE, UH, GETTING COPIES OF THIS POWERPOINT PRESENTATION? OF COURSE.
WE'LL DISTRIBUTE EVERYTHING OF TODAY'S MEETING AFTERWARDS.
MR. MATTER, AND ONE THING I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'VE INCLUDED IS THAT THIS BUILDING ITSELF, UH, IS CAN BE REVENUE GENERATING AS WELL,
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UH, THAT THE SPACES THAT WE'RE RENTING OUT, THOSE NONPROFITS OR THE COUNTY AGENCIES OR THE CHAMBER WILL ALL PUT MONEY BACK INTO THAT BUILDING AS WELL.SO I UNDERSTAND, AND POTENTIALLY YOU ALSO HAVE, UH, USE OF ATEX FUNDS THAT CAN BE UTILIZED WITH THAT BUILDING AND, AND MAYBE DA FEES IF WE LOOK AT IT THE RIGHT WAY.
THANK YOU MAYOR BRIAN, I'LL CHANGE THE SUBJECT A LITTLE BIT ON IT, BUT, UM, I KNOW THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UM, DRAINAGE AND THE SITE AND THE LANDSCAPING AND, AND A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND JUST A REMINDER THAT, THAT OUR, OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, OUR SIP TEAM WORKS VERY WELL WITH SRC AND THAT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A CONSIDERATION AND, AND LET HAVE ORDINANCES.
SO I TRUST ALL OF THE STAFF'S GONNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL THAT GETS TAKEN CARE OF VERY APPROPRIATELY.
LET'S SAY THE, THE DRAINAGE THING'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE AS WE JUST SAW AGAIN FROM DEBBIE, YOU KNOW, IN THIS TOWN DOWNTOWN HAS BEEN THE HISTORICAL FLOOD ZONE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
SO WE JUST, WE DON'T WANT TO ADD TO WHAT HAS BEEN AN HISTORICALLY DIFFICULT PROBLEM TO BEGIN WITH.
SO I THINK STEVE'S POINT ABOUT ADDING IMPERVIOUS SERVICES, JUST, YOU KNOW, WE TRUST THAT YOU TAKE A HARD LOOK AT OUR CIVIL ENGINEERING TEAM IS VERY MINDFUL OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE AND PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE.
SO, UM, DO WE WANNA JUMP INTO FIRE STATION 82 OR YEP.
COULD I JUMP INTO THE BOYS ROOM? SURE.
I WOULD SAY THOUGH, WITH DEBBIE DOWNTOWN FLOODED, THE LEAST IT'S EVER FLOODED.
YOU'RE RIGHT OF WORK, RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA CALL YOU DIGGER BROWN FOR USUALLY FIVE MINUTES OF RAIN.
THE RED LIGHT WAS UNDERWATER, USED TO BE MM-HMM.
WATER IS THE MOST DANGEROUS TO SAY.
I KNOW THE LAST TIME WE MET, WE DIDN'T HAVE NEARLY WHAT WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY, BUT I'M GONNA START OFF BY SHOWING YOU WHERE OUR NEW FIRE STATION IS GOING TO BE LOCATED.
THIS LITTLE ARROW HERE IS POINTING TO THE EXISTING FIRE STATION, 82 OF WHICH WE HAVE SOLD.
AND IF YOU GO DOWN ARJUN BOULEVARD MAKER RIGHT ON VILLAGE DRIVE, THIS IS OUR NEW PLOT OF LAND.
IT WAS DONATED BY THE ABDO GROUP AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY A HALF A MILE FROM OUR OLD STATION.
WE GOT UPLAND AND WE GOT LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.
UH, THIS IS TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE PARCEL.
EVERYTHING IN THIS YELLOW IS THE PARCEL.
THIS BACK PORTION HERE IS WETLANDS.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE A RETENTION BASIN HERE.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A DOG PARK.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE PARKING FOR THE DOG PARK.
ALL OF WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON THIS SITE PLAN IS OUR FIRE STATION AND THE DRIVE LANE TO GET BACK HERE.
UH, THIS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED BY THE DEVELOPER.
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IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY TO CONSTRUCT.HOWEVER, UM, OUR PARKS AND RECS TEAM WILL BE HELPING WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF THIS.
UM, SO OUR FIRE STATION SITS HERE.
THE ENTRY WOULD COME IN, THIS COULD BE STAFF PARKING AND THEN THE BAYS.
I'M GONNA GO TO MY NEXT SLIDE.
I KNOW FUNDING IS A BIG QUESTION.
AND WHAT WAS APPROVED FOR OUR FISCAL YEAR 25 FUNDING IS 4.7 MILLION.
AND, UM, I BROKE IT DOWN AS TO WHAT WE'RE GONNA USE THIS YEAR VERSUS NEXT YEAR.
THE LAND WAS DONATED OUR DESIGN FEE, CONSTRUCTION FEES, F, F AND E, AND THEN SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS LIKE BONDS AND CONTINGENCY.
UM, FIRE STATION 82 SOLD FOR $1.6 MILLION.
SO THAT REVENUE HELPS PAY FOR THIS NEW STATION.
AND THEN I'M TOLD DEBT ISSUANCE FOR 3.1 MILLION.
NOW THIS NEW FIRE STATION IS GONNA BE MUCH LARGER TO AGAIN, ACCOMMODATE OUR GROWTH.
THE OLD STATION WAS 7,700 SQUARE FEET AND OUR NEW STATION IS ROUGHLY 12,000.
SO I PUT TOGETHER THIS FIRE MATRIX DESIGN WITH OUR CHIEF.
AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO EXPLAIN IS A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK HOW BIG DOES THE STATION NEED TO BE? WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE THAT BIG? SO EACH OF OUR STATIONS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
FIRE STATION 81, OBVIOUSLY OUR LARGEST HAS THE ROOM TO SLEEP 15.
AND, UH, IT'S 18,448 SQUARE FEET.
NOW HOW I BROKE THIS DOWN IN COLUMNS.
THE HOUSE SIZE IS HERE, YOUR BAY SIZE IS HERE, AND THEN STORAGE OR MEZZANINE THAT ADDS TO YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE IS IN THIS COLUMN.
SO ALTHOUGH YOU, YOU SEE 18,000 SQUARE FEET, IT'S, IT'S GOT THE LARGEST BAY WITH FOUR LANES.
UM, SO FIRE STATION 82 THAT SOLD AND IT WAS ROUGHLY 7,700 SQUARE FEET.
UM, WE'RE INCREASING THE HOUSE SIZE BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA SLEEP MORE PEOPLE, WE'RE GOING UP FROM EIGHT TO 10, AND THEN THE BAYS WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION PRIOR IN OUR PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT WHAT FIREHOUSE OR WHAT, WHICH ONE OF OUR FIREHOUSES WILL ACCOMMODATE THE EMS AND AMBULANCE SERVICE.
AND ALL OF THEM WILL ACCOMMODATE AND ALL OF THEM ARE BEING SIZED PROPERLY FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S ROUGHLY WHAT THIS MATRIX IS, IS TO HELP YOU WITH, YOU KNOW, FUTURE GROWTH AND, AND WHY 85, 86 AND 87 WILL ALSO NEED THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO YOU CAN PERUSE THIS AT A LATER DATE AND, AND, AND GO INTO THE, THE CALCS.
BUT OUR CHIEF IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.
BEFORE YOU GO FROM THAT SLIDE NUMBER ONE, UM, I KNOW IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT, HAVE SUBSTATION IN EAST ORIGIN.
IS THAT IN OUR LONG TERM PLANT? SO YOU'RE TALKING POLICE SUBSTATIONS? WELL, NO, WE'RE JUST TALKING FIRE.
OH, 85, THAT'S STATION 85 RIGHT HERE.
WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM HERE.
IF WE'RE, IF THAT'S OUR FUTURE PLAN, THEN I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHY ARE WE ADDING SO MUCH SPACE TO 82? AND HERE'S SOME SPECIFICS.
WE'RE DOUBLING THE AMOUNT OF LIVING SPACE TO ADD TWO ADDITIONAL PEOPLE.
THAT'S A BIG, THAT'S THERE'S SOME BIG PEOPLE
UH, WELL, BUT THAT ALSO ACCOMMODATES FOR EMS STORAGE.
AND EMS. WHAT'S EMS? I CAN, IT'S, IT'S MORE ABOUT THEIR, THEIR MEDICAL STORAGE AND YEAH.
NO, WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING, I'M SEEING AN AMBULANCE HERE AND WE HAVE AN AMBULANCE EIGHT TENTHS OF A MILE DOWN THE ROAD, THAT'S A COUNTY SERVICE.
SO WHAT ARE WE SAYING HERE THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE AMBULANCE SERVICE OF, OF, OF THE CITY AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE? THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
OTHERWISE, IF YOU DON'T PLAN FOR THAT, YOU'LL NEVER HAVE THAT ABILITY TO EVEN PROVIDE THAT SERVICE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD PLAN FOR SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE A COUNTY RESPONSIBILITY.
IT'S ONE THING TO ADD ONE TO, TO WHICH I'VE NEVER, I'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY WE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY DIDN'T DO IT AND WHY WE, BUT TO SAY WE'RE GONNA KEEP ADDING AMBULANCES IN THE FUTURE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN, THAT'S NOT IN MY FUTURE VISION OF THE CITY TO TAKE OVER
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AMBULANCE.THAT SHOULD BE THE COUNTY'S RE THAT IS THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY.
AND, AND, AND SO WE'RE GONNA ADD A WHOLE LOT OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF CAPACITY.
AND THEN, AND AGAIN, BACK TO THE QUESTION, WHY SHOULD WE MAKE THIS BIGGER IF WE'RE PLANNING 85? 'CAUSE NOW WE'RE TALKING FOR THE SAME AREA.
WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM 7,800 SQUARE FEET TO, IF I SEE THE NUMBERS THERE CORRECTLY, 24,000 SQUARE FEET FOR THE SAME AREA.
ME, THAT SEEMS LIKE A BIG DEAL.
WELL, YOUR RADIUS, OKAY, SO YOUR RESPONSE RADIUS IS DIFFERENT FROM MAYBE I NEED AN AERIAL MAP OF, WELL, LET'S SEE IF I CAN PULL UP, WELL, I UNDERSTAND 85 ACROSS THE STREET THERE.
I, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I KNOW THERE'S 9,500 HOMES THERE.
UH, BUT IF WE'RE GO, WE'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE'RE GONNA GO FROM ONE STATION IN THAT AREA AT 7,800 SQUARE FEET TO TWO FOR A TOTAL 24 AND A HALF THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO MAKE 82 SO MUCH BIGGER IF WE'RE GONNA ADD 85 DOWN THE ROAD.
I THINK 85 IS LIKE WAY UP HERE IN THE SCALE.
I UNFORTUNATELY CAN'T ZOOM OUT.
WELL, I KNOW, I KNOW WHERE IT IS, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE ROADS BUILT IN THERE.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ON THE LOOP, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE'RE GONNA ADD US, WE'RE GOING TO ADD ONE THERE.
SO WHY, WHY DO WE NEED FOR THAT SAME AREA? AND I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF GROWTH THERE.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO GO FROM 7,800 SQUARE FEET TO 24 AND A HALF THOUSAND SQUARE FEET WORTH OF FIRE STATION WHEN WE, WHEN WE HAVE A $30 MILLION POLICE STATION THAT'S, WE'RE STILL STEADY.
AND, AND SO I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT, AND I'M ALSO CONCERNED BECAUSE THIS INDICATES A LONG-TERM VISION THAT I DON'T CHAIR, THAT THE CITY TAKES OVER THE ENTIRE AMBULANCE CORPS FOR THE CITY.
TO ME THAT EV OUR TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING DOUBLE, THEY'RE PAYING THE COUNTY WITH THE SAME SERVICE THAT NOW THE CITY'S TAKING OVER AND IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE OUR LONG TERM GOAL TAKE OVER AMBULANCE.
I THINK THE LONG TERM GOAL IS TO MAKE THE COUNTY DO WHAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE TO DO.
MAYOR, I THE AMBULANCE ISSUE, I, YOU AND I WILL ALWAYS DISAGREE ON, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? SURE.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A NEED TO REBUILD 82.
THAT NEED WE KNOW IS HERE NOW.
AND I SEE THE 12,000 SQUARE FEET, AND THEN YOU GO DOWN TO 85 AND WE SEE 13,500.
THIS DOES 85 HAVE TO BE 13,500.
IF WE'RE GONNA GO 12 YEAR, WHY DO WE NEED TO BE 13 FIVE? OKAY.
WE HAVE A NEED FOR THE RIGHT NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND.
BUT 85 IS WHAT, FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD? SIX YEARS, TWO YEARS? WE HAVE NO IDEA.
IT WILL DEPEND UPON THE GROWTH OF THAT.
THAT'S THE JOINT TRAINING FACILITY AS WELL.
SO YEAH, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ENTITY ALTOGETHER.
IT IS GOING TO BE A NORMAL, LIKE 83 AS FAR AS THE FIRE SERVICE IS CONCERNED.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN ENGINE COMPANY AND THE ABILITY TO ADD AN AMBULANCE IF WE NEED TO.
BUT IT'S ALSO THE TRAINING THAT WE WERE GONNA INCORPORATE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS A TRAINING FACILITY ON THAT PROPERTY THAT WE OWN OUT THERE.
SO THAT WAY WE CAN ADD IN TRAINING ROOMS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THAT'S WHY THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS HIGHER THAN A REGULAR SAY 86.
86 IS LIKE YOUR NORMAL 86 IS THE ONE IN THE BACK OF MARGARITAVILLE, BASICALLY.
SO THAT IS YOUR NORMAL SUBSTATION TYPE BUILDING.
I MAY BE DUST BY THE TIME THAT'S BUILT TOO.
BUT I, WHAT I AM SAYING IS RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A NEED FOR 82.
AND I, AS MUCH AS I'D LOVE TO SEE YOU HAVE 85 HAVE EVERYTHING YOU'VE LISTED ACROSS THERE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT HAVING TO COVER THAT COST.
IT'S, WE'RE UP HERE AT 82 AND I DO AGREE, BUILD THAT ONE NOW.
AND WHEN WE GET UP TO 85, IF FUNDING IS AVAILABLE, FINE, IF NOT, THEN WE CAN REDUCE THAT DOWN TO THE 9,500 SQUARE FEET THAT 86 IS.
WELL, AND, AND AGAIN, BACK TO THE POINT OF, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE DID PRESENT THAT JOINT TRAINING FACILITY, UM, I WANNA SAY IN MAY OF THIS YEAR.
SO THAT JOINT TRAINING FACILITY, WHEN WE SOLD THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S TRAINING FACILITY ON PERRYSBURG ROAD, THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED
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THE CONCEPTUAL ON THAT.SO IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE THAT THE LAND FOR THAT JOINT TRAINING FACILITY IS ALSO WHERE FIRE STATION 85 IS GOING.
AND THAT'S WHY I INCLUDED IT IN THESE CALCS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE SHARED SPACE.
BUT I'M LOOKING AT, AT, AT COST.
WE WE'RE AT 4.7 MILLION FOR 82.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU HAVE TO ALSO LOOK AT WHAT OUR SPACE NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOLKS SHARED WITH US ON INFLATION.
I MEAN, IF YOU WAIT FIVE YEARS, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALMOST DOUBLING EVERYTHING.
BUT WE'RE HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS 82, CORRECT.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO DISCUSS ALL OF THESE, BUT THIS IS A TOOL OR A RESOURCE FOR YOU TO LOOK BACK ON TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING IN EACH ONE OF THESE FIRE STATIONS AND WHY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS WHAT IT IS.
SO EVEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR STAFFING, YOUR VEHICLES, I MEAN, NOT ALL OF THE STATIONS HAVE THE SAME SIZE LADDER TRUCKS.
SO THERE'S THAT CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
UM, THE NEXT MATRIX THAT I DID WAS THE QUESTION OF WHICH ONE OF OUR FIRE STATIONS REQUIRE A POLICE SUBSTATION.
SO OBVIOUSLY FIRE STATION 81 DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT ACROSS THE STREET, AND THEN WE'VE GOT FIRE STATION 82, WHICH DOES REQUIRE IT BECAUSE THAT HELPS COVER THAT NORTHERN SECTOR FIRE STATION 83, NOT NECESSARY.
BECAUSE OF OUR SOUTHERN SECTOR NEEDING THAT PRESIDENT PRESENCE.
AND THEN, UM, FIRE STATION 85 WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY.
AND THEN THE JOINT TRAINING FACILITY, ABSOLUTELY.
THEY'RE BOTH GONNA BE UTILIZING THAT.
I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JAMES ATKINS AGAIN.
HE'S GONNA COME UP AND PRESENT SOME OF THE CONCEPTUAL OR SCHEMATIC DESIGNS THAT HE'S BEEN WORKING ON.
UH, HERE TO KIND OF AGAIN, TALK SOME IN SIMILAR WAYS, SOME BROAD STROKES OF SOME, UH, CHARACTER DESIGN AND, AND TALKING WITH, UH, CHIEF AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS SOME, UH, GENERAL LAYOUTS.
UH, STUDIED THE OTHER STATIONS THAT YOU HAVE IN, IN PLAY, UH, AND MAKE SOME COMPARABLE DESIGN, UH, DECISIONS FOR THIS, UH, STATION AS WELL AS 82.
UH, IF YOU RECALL LONG AGO, WE LOOKED AT THIS ONE OF ACTUALLY DOING A REHAB ON IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT HAD ALL SORTS OF CHALLENGES AND WE'RE GONNA PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T QUITE GET YOU WHERE YOU NEEDED TO GO.
BUT, UH, THERE WAS A DESIRE TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE, UH, AN IDENTITY FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO WE TOOK THE PROGRAM, UH, AND TOOK SOME TRADITIONAL, UH, LOWCOUNTRY MASSING AND MATERIALS AND ASSEMBLED IT INTO AN IDENTITY FOR THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UH, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, THE BAYS AND SOME MAINTENANCE AREAS, UH, AND ENTRY ELEMENT HERE.
THEY'RE, UH, PROGRAMMATIC WATCH OFFICE TO KIND OF KEEP CONTROL OF THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN THAT PARK AND THAT DRIVE COMES HERE.
SO WE'VE ORIENTED THE, UM, SLEEPING QUARTERS AND SUCH OVER HERE.
UH, THAT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESIDENTIAL AND SCALE.
UH, WE CAN ADD SOME SHUTTERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, SO THAT, UH, THE BUSY COMMERCIAL SIDE IS HERE, A LITTLE BIT MORE QUIET RESIDENTIAL SIDE THAT LEADS DOWN TO THE DOG PARK.
UM, AGAIN, TRY TO KEEP SOME SIMPLE FORMS, MAYBE ASSEMBLE 'EM IN A UNIQUE WAY, UH, AND WORK THROUGH THE PROGRAM.
WHEN WE APPROACH THESE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO KIND OF REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THEIR HOME AS WELL.
UH, THEY, THEY LIVE AND BREATHE AND EAT AND SLEEP A LOT HERE.
SO WE REALLY TRY TO, TO BRING SOME OF THAT RESIDENTIAL QUALITY TO A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE.
UM, JUST ANOTHER VIEW FROM THE, UH, COMMERCIAL SIDE HERE.
A PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING, SHELLS, SOME EFFICIENT CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN KIND OF BE ASSEMBLED INTO A UNIQUE CHARACTER.
AND, UH, QUICK LAYOUT, UH, THAT GENERATED, AGAIN, THE BAYS HERE AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO THAT AS FAR AS DECONTAMINATION AND, AND, AND STORAGE FOR TOOLS AND THINGS.
A LOT OF TECHNICAL PIECES AROUND, UH, GEAR STORAGE AND CARCINOGEN, UH, EXTRACTION, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THAT KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THAT.
UH, MENTIONED SOME DIFFERENT STORAGE AREAS.
UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF ADMINISTRATION, A FRONT DOOR.
UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE IMPORTANT.
UH, WHEN, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC, UM, OFTENTIMES WILL WANDER UP TO A POLICE STATION IF SOMEBODY NEEDS HELP.
UH, SO THEY CAN GET ACCESS TO THAT.
UH, MEN'S AND WOMEN'S, UH, SHOWERS AND RESTROOMS. AND AGAIN, HERE IS THAT LINE
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OF, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL, VERY SIMPLE, UH, CIRCULATION SPINE TO TRY TO MAXIMIZE THAT.AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT AMPLIFIES UP FOR ADDITIONAL EXERCISE SPACE, ADDITIONAL KITCHEN DINING, UH, LIVING QUARTER SPACES, SOME STUDY AREAS.
UM, AND THEN SOME OUTDOOR COVERED ACTIVITY, WHICH WE LIKE TO KIND OF PUT ON THE BACKSIDE HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT UP ON THE STREET.
AND THAT'S, OH, JUST A COUPLE LITTLE QUICK, UH, DIAGRAMS THERE.
UM, AGAIN, THE FRONT PERSPECTIVE WE SAW ON THE BACK, AGAIN, VERY SIMPLE METAL BUILDING SHELL CENTER SECTION HERE TO DEFINE THE ENTRY, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT MEZZANINE STORAGE IS, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT'S OVER THERE.
UH, JUST KIND OF A REALLY QUICK, EFFICIENT WAY TO, TO GET SOME OF THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AND AGAIN, A QUICK EASY FRAMED, UH, SHED ROOF HERE, BUT, UH, IT KIND OF GIVES US A, A SMALLER SCALED RESIDENTIAL SIDE AND A KIND OF A, A LARGER SCALED COMMERCIAL SIDE HERE.
AND WE'VE GONE TO, UH, JUST SOME SIDE VIEWS HERE, JUST KINDA LOOKING HERE.
UM, AGAIN, QUALITY OF, UH, OF LIFE RECRUITMENT, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
THESE ARE SMALL, SMALLER INDIVIDUAL, UM, UH, SLEEPING QUARTERS WITH, UH, THREE LOCKERS AND SUCH FOR THE DIFFERENT SHIFTS.
SO AGAIN, EACH SHIFT CAN HAVE THEIR OWN LOCKERS, STORE THEIR OWN PERSONAL THINGS.
UM, AND SAME WITH, UH, THE, THE KITCHEN.
UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE CIRCULATION.
BUT I THINK THESE KINDS OF ELEMENTS IN THESE STATIONS, RATHER THAN COMMUNAL BUNK ROOMS AND STUFF, UH, JUST ADD TO THAT KIND OF RESIDENTIAL, UH, HOME SENSE, UH, IN THE STATIONS, UH, THAT THEY CERTAINLY APPRECIATE AS WELL TO KIND OF HAVE THEIR OWN SPACE.
AND, UH, DO SOME SIDES YOU'RE GONNA TAKE OVER THERE.
ANY QUESTIONS? UM, THIS IS DOG PARK RENT TO SERVICE.
SO THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THAT'S GOING IN THERE, UM, THAT ENTIRE PDD WOULD UTILIZE, CORRECT? IT'S, IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.
UM, WHAT I DID IS I THREW IN SOME OF THE OLD SLIDES THAT SHOWED YOU OUR METAL BUILDING KITS AND SOME OF THE LOW COUNTRY DESIGN, SOME OF THE MORE REASONABLE DESIGNS.
AND THEN I PUT THE SCHEDULE UP HERE BECAUSE EVERYBODY KEEPS ASKING.
SO OUR SITE SELECTION, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND GEOTECHNICAL WORK.
UM, THE PLAT WAS RECORDED PLANNING COMMISSION ACCEPTED IN ON AUGUST 15TH.
YOU'RE SEEING THE 50% SCHEMATIC DESIGN, WHICH I WANNA EMPHASIZE IS NOT 50% CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, IT'S SCHEMATIC DESIGN.
SO WHEN OUR DESIGN TEAM GETS COMMISSIONED TO DO THIS, THEY, THEY START IN THE SCHEMATIC PHASE, THEN THEY GO TO THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN OUR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOLLOW.
SO WE ARE NOT 50% COMPLETE, BUT UM, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT IS, IS EXPECTED ANOTHER THREE MONTH PROCESS, TWO MONTHS FOR CDS.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN START OUR PERMITTING IN DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
AND THEN INVITATION TO BID BY JUNE CONSTRUCTION WOULD HOPEFULLY BE COMPLETE BY JULY, 2026, BEARING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY UNFORESEEN CONDITIONS.
UM, THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR THIS, UNLESS YOU WANNA GO BACK, IF THERE'S A SLIDE THAT YOU WANNA ASK ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER.
WHEN, WHEN THESE GUYS ARE RESPONDING, GETTING OUT OF THOSE BAYS, DO UH, ARE THEY GETTING OUT DIRECTLY ON ARGENT OR ARE THEY GETTING OUT ON A SECONDARY ROAD AND THEN GETTING OUT ONTO ARGENT? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
THEY'RE GETTING OUT ON VILLAGE DRIVE AND THEN THEY HAVE TO TURN ONTO ARGENT.
SO WE ALL, I'LL GO BACK TO YES.
WE ALL KNOW HOW NOTORIOUS THE TRAFFIC IS ON ARGENT BOULEVARD AND I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE ENGAGE IN A RACE WITH, WITH OUR EMERGENCY FOLKS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE LIGHTS AND SIRENS.
HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET OUT ONTO ARJUN BOULEVARD WHEN THEY'RE IN THAT EMERGENCY RESPONSE MODE? FROM WHERE I CAME FROM WHEN THE LIGHTS AND SIREN.
SO THIS IS WHERE THE STATION WILL BE SITTING.
SO THEY'LL MAKE A RIGHT ON VILLAGE DRIVE AND COME DOWN AND EITHER MAKE A LEFT OR A RIGHT ONTO ARGENT.
AND I I KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE.
WE ARE CURRENTLY PUTTING A TRAFFIC LIGHT IN AT NEW RIVER AND ARGENT, WHICH IS JUST SOUTH OF THIS LOCATION IS AND THEN IT SHORTCUT.
IS THERE ANY WAY, AND, AND I KNOW MATT'S GOING TO KILL ME FOR ASKING THIS QUESTION BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW SC IS NOTORIOUS, SO, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN HAVE LIKE A, AN EMERGENCY BLINKER? YEAH.
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LIGHT PER SE FOR ARJUN BOULEVARD, BUT IT'S A CAUTIONARY LIGHT THAT STOPS THE TRAFFIC IN BOTH DIRECTIONS WHEN THERE'S AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE TRYING TO GET OUT.I MEAN, I'M, I'M CERTAIN WE COULD ASK THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS ABOUT BEAUFORD ON REBO ROAD FOR ROYAL.
THERE'S LITTLE THERE LIKE THAT.
GREGORY DON'T THEY HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES, THEY DO.
THAT'S A FULL SIGNAL THAT THEY COMPLETELY REDID THAT WHOLE INTERSECTION TO SIGNAL IN, INCORPORATE A NEW SIGNAL.
SO IT'S, IT'S PART OF LIKE AN ALERTING SYSTEM.
LIKE, HEY, THERE'S A FIRE TRUCK COMING OUT, YOU GUYS NEED TO STOP.
AND THEN IT STOPS WHEN THESE GUYS GET OUT OF THERE, SOMEHOW THAT LIGHT IS ACTIVATED AND IT STOPS THE TRAFFIC AND LETS THEM GET OUT SAFELY SO THEN THE TRAFFIC CAN KEEP GOING AFTERWARDS.
THAT'S THE WAY I'LL LOOK INTO IT.
THAT'S THE WAY BLUFFTON ORIGINALLY HAD THEIRS WHEN IT WAS JUST THE FIRE STATION COMING OUT BY ST.
GREGORY AND DOT CAME IN AND BASICALLY SAID, THIS ISN'T WORKING BECAUSE THERE WAS TOO MANY WRECKS THERE WHEN THAT LIGHT WOULD CHANGE.
'CAUSE IT ONLY WOULD CHANGE WHEN THEY HAD A CALL.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHEN THEY CAME IN AND SAID, HEY, WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
THAT'S WHEN THEY BLUFFED AND GOT WITH ST.
GREGORY AND REARRANGED THEIR ENTRYWAY TO COME OUT THERE.
SO THAT WAY IT'S A FULL CONTROLLED INTERSECTION TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF WRECKS BASED ON JUST THE, THE EMERGENCY CALLS THAT WERE GOING OUT.
'CAUSE PEOPLE WERE USING IT AS TURNAROUND SPOTS AND IT WAS JUST A MESS ON 2 78 WHEN THEY HAD IT THAT WAY.
WHEN THEY HAD IT JUST AS AN EMERGENCY SIGNAL, IT WAS A MESS.
THEY ALMOST LEAD TO MORE PROBLEMS BECAUSE, BECAUSE PEOPLE GET, THEY IGNORE IT BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME IT'S NOT BEING ACTIVATED.
BUT BUT YOU HAVE TO LET THESE GUYS GET OUT SAFELY.
THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE THEIR LIGHTS.
AND THE GOOD THING I WILL SAY ABOUT THEY DON'T STOP.
I HAVE SEEN IT MYSELF AND BEING SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN IN THAT BUSINESS AND HAD NEAR COLLISIONS WITH PEOPLE TRYING TO BEAT THE AMBULANCE, UH, YEAH, NO, IT IS UNNECESSARY.
I'M TELLING YOU, I WILL SAY THOUGH, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COMING OUT OF THE CURRENT 82 AND BEING ABLE TO COME OUT AT AN ALREADY KNOWN INTERSECTION WOULD BE MUCH BETTER BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO COME OUT 82 NOW, THERE'S NO TURN LANE THERE.
WHERE THERE IS AT THAT INTERSECTION, THERE IS A TURN LANE.
SO THERE'S WAYS THAT PEOPLE CAN GET OUT OF THE WAY, AT LEAST AT THAT INTERSECTION WHERE, WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE, THERE'S NOTHING BUT TWO LANES AND IT'S, IT'S A REAL PAIN TO GET OUTTA THERE.
YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S A PAIN TO GET OUT THERE.
I FORESEE IT BEING BETTER GETTING ON 2 78 AT THAT LARGER INTERSECTION, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
ON LARGER BOULEVARD, YES, THERE'S MORE SPACE.
IN THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN YOU START, WE SAID WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT JASPER COUNTY'S INTENTIONS WERE.
AND I THINK A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS ARE BEING MADE UNTIL I THINK WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR INTENTION IS IN TERMS OF PROVIDING THE VEHICLES OR NOT.
BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA CHANGE MAYBE OUR THINKING.
AND IT SEEMS TO ME, I REMEMBER JOHN AND I WENT UP TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT FIRE TRUCKS A LONG TIME AGO, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT'S A FAIRLY FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO KNOW.
ARE THEY GONNA CONTINUE THAT? IF NOT, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PLAN FOR IT.
IF THEY ARE, THEN THAT MAY CHANGE SOME OF YOUR THINKING.
TO ME, THAT'S UH, STEP ONE IN A LOT OF THIS AND WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
AND, AND, AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, TWO EXTRA BUNK SPACES IS ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE NOT ADDING EXTRA BASE FOR THESE BAYS ARE JUST FOR MINIMUM YOU'RE SAYING.
EVEN IF WE DON'T GO DOWN THE EMS ROAD, IF WE EVER HAVE, YOU KNOW, CALLBACKS OR ANYTHING FOR HURRICANES OR OTHER EVENTS, WE, WE CAN SLEEP MORE PEOPLE IN THE FIREHOUSE.
'CAUSE GENERALLY WHEN WE DO A CALLBACK, WE CALL BACK AT LEAST TWO SHIFTS.
SO THAT GIVES US SOME EXTRA SPACE.
OR IF WE, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE FUTURE, IF WE ADD ANOTHER BATTALION CHIEF OR IT JUST GIVES US A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, TWO BUNK ROOMS. ULTIMATELY YOU'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT 200 SQUARE FEET ADDED TO THE, TO THE BUNK ROOM AREAS.
UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EMS. SO IT WAS JUST WE, WE WOULD HAVE THE CAPABILITY IF WE NEED YOUR INTENTION.
THAT'S WHERE I WAS COMING FROM.
THE SPACE IS THE SPACE, WHETHER THAT'S MINOR WE PUT ANYTHING IN IT.
MY QUESTION, THE DOG PARK IN THAT AREA THAT IS FOR ALL OF HARVILLE OR JUST FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED BACK THERE, BE CITY PROPERTY.
SO IT'S IT'LL BE PARKS AND REC WILL DEPENDS.
THE ALE CHASE IS UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY.
SO I THINK THAT THE NEW PARK BEHIND IT THOUGH IS IN CITY LIMITS OR ON THE FIREHOUSE.
THE, THE ONE THAT YOU SAID THE DOG PARK'S GONNA CIRCLE.
IT WOULD BE BEHIND EVERYTHING ON THE LEFT OF VILLAGE DRIVE, BASICALLY.
AND THEN TOWARD THE END OF VILLAGE DRIVE.
SO BASICALLY ROUNDING ALL THE WAY AROUND.
RIGHT, RIGHT IN THERE IS THIS PENINSULA RIGHT HERE THAT'S OWNED BY ABDO.
UM, YEAH, WHERE WHERE WE WOULD SIT.
THIS IS YOUR, YOUR WETLANDS AREA THAT I SHOWED ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE HERE.
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TO THIS SLIDE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THE FLAT? UM, THAT EITHER WAY WORKS.UM, THE, THE ATTENTION IS FOR ALL OF PENINSULA TRACK HERE AND PENINSULA TWO, WHICH IS ALREADY IN THE CITY, WILL BE ALL COMBINED.
IT'S CONTIGUOUS BY EAST ORIGIN.
SO EAST ORIGIN HAS SIMILAR OWNERSHIP ON THAT FRONT PARCEL AND OR THE SAME OWNER.
AND UM, SO IT'S ALL GONNA BE COMING TOGETHER.
THE, THAT WILL LEAVE ABERLY CHASE AND WHAT'S ON, WHAT GOES FROM ARGENT TO ABERLY CHASE WILL BE WHAT'S IN LEFT IN THE COUNTY THERE.
SO, BUT YOU'LL BE SEEING ALL OF THAT SHORTLY THAT WE JUST NEEDED FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE FIRE STATION TO GO AHEAD AND GET THAT IN AND MOVING.
SO THIS, THIS THAT GOT PLATTED AND RECORDED IS ANNEXED IN.
AND THAT THE PUBLIC DRIVEWAY WILL MATCH UP WITH BEVERLY DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS RIGHT THERE.
I MEAN THE FIRE STATIONS WILL, THE FIRE TRUCKS WILL COME OUT SEPARATE FROM THEM.
SO THAT WE'RE NEVER HEAD TO HEAD WITH.
THAT WAS MY NEXT CONCERN QUESTION.
AND I I, BEFORE WE GET OFF THE HOUSE FOR MM-HMM.
THE WHOLE PROPERTY ON SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION? IS THAT YES, ON ORIGIN BOULEVARD? YOU'RE TALKING DOWN HERE? YES.
THE ENTRANCE INTO THE, I'LL CALL IT THE CITADEL PROPERTY WAS PULTE AND PULTE.
BUT THAT PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AND THERE WAS A LOT OF ANGST ABOUT THAT IF YOU RECALL, BECAUSE OF THE VERY THING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW THAT IT WOULD, THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE WILL BE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE, THE ENTRANCE AREA TO THE FIRE STATION.
SO IT MAKES VAL'S CONCERNED LEGITIMATE.
'CAUSE WE HAD IT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
DO YOU HAVE TO GO? YEAH, I DO.
AND ONE THING THAT WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED WORKING ON WITH THIS WHOLE PENINSULA TRACK PROJECT AND EVERYTHING, AND THIS IS JUST A SMALL PORTION OF, IS THAT TRAFFIC STUDY.
UM, AND THAT DOES TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE FIRE STATION, WHAT'S AROUND IT AND AR BOULEVARD.
UM, THEY'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT THE ARJUN BOULEVARD, UM, STUDY THAT THE CITY DID.
AND SO IT'S ALL BEING COMBINED TOGETHER.
UM, BUT THAT HAS BEEN A CONVERSATION WE'VE CERTAINLY HAD AS WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS COMING TO YOU WITH, UM, SOMETHING ON THE PENINSULA TRAFFIC.
THERE'S NEVER GONNA BE LESS TRAFFIC AT THAT INTERSECTION.
IT'S GONNA, IT INCREASE WHETHER A LIGHT IS NECESSARY THERE NOW OR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.
IT GOES BACK TO THE SAME THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
ANOTHER ISSUE A QUARTER OF A MILE IF THAT YEAH.
A COUPLE TENTHS OF A MILE THAT THERE'S A LIGHT PLANNED AT AT WILLIAM GASPER TO REASONABLY EXPECT OR EVEN WANT TO HAVE LIGHTS EVERY TWO TENTHS OF A MILE.
I DON'T THINK NOBODY, NOBODY WANTS NOTHING.
SO YOU HAVE TO PLAN AROUND THAT.
PERHAPS THERE'S, FOR THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS, THERE'S FRONTAGE ROADS THAT LEAD TO WILLIAM JASPER.
AND MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND NOT ADD TO THE CURB CUTS ALONG LARGE AND BOULEVARD.
WE CAN'T PREVENT THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, BUT WE COULD SURE.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE DANGER IS.
THE CURB CUTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND OUT LIKE FIRE TRUCKS.
THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE THE DANGER.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THERE'S NO CURB CUTS.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE THE PROBLEM.
BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE, UH, AND I WILL, BACK TO YOUR FIRST POINT, MAYOR, THIS ONE IS LARGER FOOTPRINT DUE TO THIS IS WHERE THE LADDER TRUCK FOR THAT SIDE OF TOWN IS GONNA BE HOUSED.
SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED THAT LADDER TRUCK THERE.
THAT'S WHY THIS ONE'S JUST A LITTLE BIT LARGER TO ACCOMMODATE THAT LADDER TRUCK.
THERE'S, IN MY WHOLE PLAN, THERE'S ONLY THREE STATIONS FOR LADDER TRUCKS AND THAT'S TO SPREAD 'EM OUT ALL OVER TOWN.
I HAVE NO OBJECTION, JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO OBJECTION OF BUILDING 12,000 AND THEN ANOTHER 12,000 AROUND THE CORNER.
WELL THAT ONE, IF, IF WE DO OUR MILEAGE STUDIES, THE COVERAGE AREA IT IS, IS OUTSIDE THE MILEAGE RADIUS OF THIS FIREHOUSE.
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I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT'S WHAT THE NEED FOR THE FIRE.IT IS GONNA BE SMALLER FOR SURE.
IT IS A SUBSTATION NEED FOR ANOTHER 12,000.
THE ORIGINAL STATION WAS ONLY LIKE 9,000 I THINK IS OUR NUMBER.
BUT WE ADDED, ADDED TRAINING, A TRAINING CLASSROOM, WHICH WE CAN SEPARATE THAT AND GO, LOOK, THIS IS FIREHOUSE, THIS IS TRAINING.
AND THEN THAT WAY IT'S NOT ON THAT MATRIX.
THAT WAY YOU SEE THAT THE FIREHOUSE IS GONNA BE A SINGLE ENGINE WITH THE ABILITY TO ADD AN AMBULANCE IF WE WANT TO.
I MEAN IT'S ONLY, LIKE I SAID, TWO BUNK ROOMS AND THAT'S IT.
AND THE, THE, AND AGAIN, HERE'S HERE'S, IT ALWAYS COMES TO MIND.
WE'RE ON THE HOOK FOR 3.1 AND WE JUST, THE PREVIOUS THING WAS 3.5.
SO NOW WE HAVE 6.5 THAT WE ALL AGREED NEED TO GET DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE 800 POUND ELEPHANT SITTING OVER THERE
I DON'T, I QUESTION WE HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BITER AS CONSERVATIVE AS POSSIBLE.
BECAUSE THE, THE, THE ELEPHANT'S GOT A BIG, BIG, UH, PEANUT THI TOO AND JUST, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT PLAN IS 85 WILL BE DA FEE MONEY.
SO FOR EAST AR ALL OF THE REST OF EAST SERGEANT DA MONEY THAT'S COMING IN.
AND I HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON SOMETHING THAT BUGS IN 6, 8, 9 MONTHS AGO.
I ASKED THE COUNCIL AND, AND, AND THIS DEPARTMENT TO SIT DOWN WITH JASPER COUNTY AND REEVALUATE THAT NEED IF IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY ON A HOLISTIC BASIS.
IT WAS SECONDED BY THE COUNTY COUNCIL CHAIR AND WHY FOR A SIMPLE REQUEST THAT YOU GET TOGETHER AND TALK HAS NOT BEEN DONE.
AND THAT TALK, HAD IT BEEN DONE WOULD'VE MADE THIS CONVERSATION A HECK OF A LOT EASIER.
AND, AND SO I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE AND IT NEEDS TO GET DONE YESTERDAY.
WE NEED TO START TALKING ABOUT EIGHT TENTHS OF A MILE DOWN THE ROAD IS AN AMBULANCE AND A FIRE STATION THAT, AND HERE WE ARE BUILDING 12,000 SQUARE FEET, EIGHT TENTHS OF A MILE AWAY.
I'M SORRY IT WAS DUMB BACK THEN.
AND, AND THAT MEETING CHIEF HAS TO TAKE PLACE.
BUT AS YOU KNOW, I, I'VE REACHED OUT ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS.
O OKAY, WELL YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S TIME TO, TO CALL THE BIG GUNS IN IF YOU CAN'T GET IT DONE.
LET'S, LET'S FIND ANOTHER WAY TO GET IT DONE.
QUESTION, HOW LONG IS OUR LEASE ON THE EXISTING BUILDING? MM-HMM.
UM, SO WE HAD A TWO YEAR LEASE AT THE TIME.
UM, WE'VE GOT A TWO YEAR LEASE AND THAT EXPIRES IN DECEMBER, WHICH UM, OH BOY.
WHAT WILL OUR LEASE RATE, WILL THEY GET, WILL THEY EXTEND A LEASE? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT BECAUSE, WELL, WE BETTER HAVE AN ANSWER PRETTY DAMN QUICK.
WE'VE BEEN PUSHING HARD AND, AND THE LAND ACQUISITION SIDE OF THIS UNFORTUNATELY GOT A LITTLE BIT CRAZY BECAUSE WE, WE COULDN'T FIND THE OWNER OF THE ROAD ON VILLAGE DRIVE.
AND UM, SO I DO HAVE A PLAN FOR WORST CASE.
I MEAN WORST CASE IS WE DO HAVE ACCESS TO THE 85 SITE RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE COULD PUT A P**S BOAT
THAT WOULD BE AN ULTIMATE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
AND THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT HAVE ESTABLISHED TEMPORARY FIREHOUSE KITS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
BUT, UH, I'M NOT LOOKING TO PUT OUR TRUCKS IN TENTS, BUT IF WE GET TO THAT POINT, WE HAVE ALTERNATIVES.
CORRECT? THAT PROPERTY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAS NO INFRASTRUCTURE CURRENTLY ON IT? THAT'S CORRECT.
WE HAVE TO GET THAT EXTENDED AND HAVE THAT ALL IN PLACE.
THE INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD BE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET 'CAUSE THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE THERE.
SO BASICALLY WE SHOULD JUST HAVE TO COME ACROSS THE STREET AT WORST.
WELL IT'D BE NICE IF WE COULD STAY WHERE WE'RE AT.
I JUST DON'T NOW THE 85 SITE HAS NOTHING.
WE HAVE, WE WOULD'VE TO EXTEND EVERYTHING TO THE 85 SITE.
RIGHT? WELL WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH THAT RIGHT NOW.
CAUGHT TWO YEARS IS AN AGGRESSIVE TIMETABLE NOT HAVING KEEP OUR EQUIPMENT TO KICK IN THE FACE.
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CAN DO IT.IS THERE, IS THIS A STOPPING POINT YOU WERE PLANNING ON? YES SIR.
I DID HAVE ONE BRING UP ONE MORE ITEM BEFORE THAT BEFORE WE, UH, BREAK FOR LUNCH.
AGAIN, I'LL OFFER THE PUBLIC OR STAFF, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN.
OKAY, MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST BRING UP ONE ITEM.
I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA COME UP EARLIER AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT JUMPING IN, BUT, UM, WE, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE SPACE NEEDS WE HAD, UM, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THERE, THERE MAY BE AN INTEREST IN, UH, COUNCIL, AN OFFICE FOR THE COUNCIL, WHETHER IT BE IN THIS BUILDING OR ELSEWHERE.
WE JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, GET CONSENSUS SO WE CAN HAVE A DIRECTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
THE, UM, THE COUNCIL HAS, UH, EXPRESSED ITS DESIRE TO HAVE AN OFFICE IN THIS BUILDING, PARTICULARLY WITH THE NEW CITY MANAGER COMING IN.
UH, I PROMISED COUNSEL THAT I WOULD MAINTAIN REGULAR HOURS DEPENDING ON MY OTHER SCHEDULE OUTSIDE.
'CAUSE I DO GO TO A LOT OF MEETINGS OUTSIDE.
SO MY PLAN WOULD BE TO EACH WEEK ACCORDING TO WHAT MY OPEN SCHEDULE IS, TO MAINTAIN OFFICE HOURS HERE AS MANY DAYS AS POSSIBLE.
BUT IT WOULD BE A JOINT OFFICE.
BUT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE AN OFFICE.
SO I WOULDN'T BE THERE THE WHOLE TIME.
'CAUSE IF I HAVE A SOLO MEETING IN, IN LOUGHTON, YOU KNOW, I, THAT DAY I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COME AT ALL.
OR I, I COME FOR AN HOUR, BUT THE REST OF THE TIME IT'S OPEN.
IT'LL BE OPEN FOR COUNCIL USE.
THEY WANT MEET WITH A RESIDENT AND OCCASIONALLY I MEET WITH A RESIDENT.
WE ARE USING THE, I USE THE CONFERENCE ROOM NOW, BUT COUNCIL WANTS TO MAINTAIN A COUNCIL.
IT'S NOT A MAYOR'S OFFICE, IT'S A COUNCIL OFFICE.
AND THEY'VE ASKED ME TO MAINTAIN REGULAR HOURS HERE IN CITY HALL, PARTICULARLY DURING THE TRANSITION TIME, BOTH NEW CITY.
WE WILL, UH, TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH.
AND MIKE, MIKE WAS AWARE OF THAT AS WELL.
SO, UH, WE JUST MAYBE GOT SOME MIXED MESSAGES ABOUT WHAT, WHAT, WHERE IT SHOULD BE.
SO THAT'S JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SIX, 700 SQUARE FEET FROM THE OFFICE.
YOU WANT MR. DAVIS'S OFFICE HERE?
ALREADY HAS THE LARGEST OFFICE IN THE CITY.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA ADJOURN FOR LUNCH.
WHERE'S LUNCH GONNA BE? WE'RE GOING BACK IN THERE.
WHAT TIME DO WE COME BACK COUNSEL? WHAT, WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE BACK? SO WE CAN NOTIFY THE SO MUCH.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE WAITING FOR US.
ARE Y'ALL COMFORTABLE WITH 35 MINUTES? WHAT? 35.
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ARE READY.SO JUST AGAIN, YOU'VE, DYLAN'S BEEN HERE A FEW TIMES TO KIND OF GIVE YOU UPDATE ALONG THE WAY WITH THE 2 78 CORRIDOR PLAN, UH, STUDY, WHICH OBVI IS, I JUST LIKE TO EMPHASIZE IS NOT BEING PAID BY US.
BUT DYLAN HAS DROPPED UP THE STUDY AND HE'S GOING TO PRESENT HIS FINDINGS AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GET THE FINAL REPORT HERE IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.
YEAH, I'VE GOT THE FINAL REPORT, SO I'LL TURN OVER TO DYLAN.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT KIND OF, UM, AN APPROACH WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN WITH THE VARIOUS DEVELOPERS OF, UH, SOUTH POINT, OREGON TRACK AND WEST ORIGIN, JOHN SMITH, 2 78 INTERSECTION.
KIND OF A PLAN GOING FORWARD FOR THAT.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DYLAN.
SO, UH, DYLAN TURNER WITH KIMMY HORN, UH, WORKING WITH CITY OF HARVILLE TO DO THE 2 78 CORRIDOR STUDY THAT GOES FROM 17 WHITE PARTY ALL THE WAY OVER TO, TO ARGENT, UM, FIVEISH MILES A ROAD.
UM, SO THIS JUST GOES THROUGH, UH, SOME OF THIS WILL BE A REPEAT FROM THE LAST MEETING, SO IT'S KIND OF A REFRESHER.
AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO SOME MORE OF THE DETAILS AND, AND MEAT OF THE STUFF.
UH, STUDY INTERSECTIONS, LIKE I SAID, START OVER.
AT WHITE HARDY, WE HAVE THE TWO I 95 RAMPS, UH, MEDICAL CENTER, UH, JOHN SMITH, BRICKYARD LATITUDES, AND THEN OVER TO AUTO MALL AND ARGENT, UH, IS WHERE WE ENDED.
UM, SO WHAT WE FOUND TODAY, UM, THIS IS ONE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT BEFORE.
MOST OF THE INTERSECTIONS ARE OVER CAPACITY TODAY.
SO OPERATING AT LEVEL SERVICE, E OR F.
AND WHAT LETS US KNOW OUR LEVELS OF SERVICE IS YOUR DELAY PER VEHICLE.
SO HOW LONG ARE YOU SITTING IN YOUR CAR WAITING TO MAKE YOUR MOVEMENT IS WHAT JUSTIFIES LEVEL OF SERVICE.
UM, WE KNOW, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE, THERE'S KIND OF TWO MIS MISLEADING THINGS IN A LEVEL SERVICE.
SO WHAT ARE OUR MODEL LOOKS AT? SO AT LATITUDES IN LAKESIDE, WE, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH THROUGH VOLUME ON 2 78 THAT THOSE DELAYS AREN'T BAD.
OUR, OUR DELAYS ARE MOSTLY IN THOSE LEFT TURNS, LEFT TURNS INTO THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT THEN BACK OUT INTO 2 78.
TODAY, CDY IS CURRENTLY WORKING, UH, WITH THOMAS AND HUTTON, OR STANTEC, STANTEC, STANTEC TO DO, UM, SOME LINEAGE IMPROVEMENTS IN DESIGN AT THAT INTERSECTION, ALL THE WHILE WORKING WITH S-E-D-O-T FOR SOME PHASING IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, BECAUSE WE KNOW RESIDENTS, UH, BASED OFF OUR PUBLIC MEETING, IF YOU'RE TURNING LEFT FROM 2 78 ONTO TO LAKESIDE INTO THE HILTON HEAD LAKES AREA, YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO GUN IT TO GET ACROSS THE LANES BECAUSE THERE'S NO ARROW.
AND SO WE DID SEE IN OUR SAFETY ANALYSIS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, AND IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IN SEVERAL, UM, MEETINGS WITH CONSTITUENTS ALL OVER THIS AREA, UH, ABOUT THE NEED FOR THAT LEFT TURN ARROW AND FACING THE BACKUP AT, UH, LAKESIDE LATITUDE BOULEVARD IN THE MORNINGS.
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IT HAS GREEN THERE NOW, BUT YESTERDAY MORNING AND IT'S MOST MORNINGS IT'S BACKS UP PAST JOHN SMITH.THAT'S, THAT'S A PROBLEM, RIGHT? AND BECAUSE IT IMPEDES TRAFFIC TURNING FROM 2 78 ONTO JOHN SMITH.
SO THAT'S, AND THAT'S PART OF THIS, THIS WHOLE THING.
AND THAT IS A, A GREAT POINT THAT LEADS INTO, UM, UH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET INTO A LITTLE BIT LATER ABOUT OUR BEST FRIEND 2 78 AND THE, THE WIDENING, THE WIDENING OF IT,
UM, I LIKE THAT CRASH, CRASH ANALYSIS.
UM, THERE ONCE AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT OF REVIEW HERE.
IT'S A PRETTY HEAVY, UH, CRASH AREA.
THE REASON BEING IS THE MEDICAL CENTER SIGNAL IS SO CLOSE TO THE RAMPS, IT BACKS UP.
SO YOU GET A LOT OF, OF REAR ENDS THROUGH THERE.
SO NOT A HIGH CRASH SEVERITY OF ANGLES, BUT A LOT OF REAR ENDING JUST FROM THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS.
UH, JOHN SMITH UNSIGNED, WE HAVE MORE ANGLE CRASHES, SO PEOPLE TURNING LEFT AND THEN GETTING HIT BY THE OPPOSING THROUGH T-BONED, UH, T-BONED IS YEAH, A, A TERM FOR THAT.
UM, AT JOHN SMITH TODAY, UM, UNSIGNED.
AND THEN ARGENT IS A VERY SIMILAR STORY TO JOHN SMITH WITH THE LEFT TURNS, UH, HIGH CRASH SEVERITY, A LITTLE BIT MORE REAR ENDS HERE BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S WELL AWARE OF THAT.
LEFT TURN BACK UP TOO, OF TURNING LEFT FROM 2 78 ONTO ARGENT BACKS OUT.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT, UH, A CRASH ISSUE HERE NOW.
THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS THE SIGNAL FOR ARGENT N 2 78 IS COMING VERY, VERY SOON.
UM, THE NOT SO GOOD NEWS IS IT'S MORE OF A BANDAID AND, AND, AND NOT A FULL FIX, UH, OF THAT.
SO JUST PUTTING THE SIGNAL THERE, A LITTLE BIT OF LAND IMPROVEMENTS IS IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE'S STILL MORE NEEDED MINOR LANE IMPROVEMENTS AND MEANING.
SO, SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE GONNA EXTEND, IT'S A SAFETY IMPROVEMENT.
SO THERE'S JUST DIFFERENT BUDGETS FOR THIS.
THEY'RE USING A DOT SAFETY BUDGET FOR THAT.
SO INSTALLING THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND LENGTHENING THE LEFT TURN LANE, UM, ONTO ARJUN, IS THAT IMPROVEMENT? IS THERE A TIMETABLE ON MATT? I I WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT, IT'S ANY, YEAH.
NOBODY BID ON IT WHEN WE, UM, STARTED THE PROJECT.
IT'S ANY DAY NOW AND THE ANSWER STILL IS ANY DAY NOW.
YEAH, I'M GONNA BE DEAD ANY DAY NOW.
I JUST THINK MY DEAD DAY IS GOING TO BE BEFORE THIS LIGHT DAY, SO YEAH.
AND SO THAT'S, UM, STATE PROCUREMENT.
DON, YOU WORRIED? YEAH, WE'LL DRIVE YOU.
WE'LL DRIVE, DRIVE THE HORSE THROUGH.
STOP AT THE LIGHT JUST FOR MAYOR HARRY.
SO, SO, WELL THAT'S THE IRONY THERE, RIGHT? YOU GET TO RUN THE RED LIGHT WHEN YOU'RE IN A HEARSE.
OOH, FEEL THE LOVE THAT WILL, YOU KNOW THAT, THAT LIGHT IS GREAT RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW, THE AFTERNOON YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT BACKING UP, GOING BACK EAST.
IT'LL RUN BACK TOWARDS THE LIGHT THERE.
THAT'S RIGHT BY THE GAS STATION AND THE BACK ON, UH, ARGENT IS, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE PROBLEM NO MATTER WHAT.
RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S THE TWO WE, WE GOT INTO THE LONG TERM.
UM, I'LL GET TO THAT, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
IF IT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT'S GONNA HELP, IT'S GONNA STOP THE BLEEDING, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU RIP THE BANDAID OFF, IT MIGHT BLEED AGAIN KIND OF THING.
SO THERE, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT, UH, CAN BE IMPROVED AT THAT INTERSECTION.
BUT THE BUDGET THAT'S THERE SET ASIDE FOR THIS THAT WAS LET TWO YEARS AGO THAT NOBODY BID ON, UM, NOW IS INTO A SAFETY BUDGET.
IT'S A LOWER DOT FUNDING, BUT AT LEAST IT'LL GET, UH, THE SIGNAL THAT'S NEEDED.
UM, I THINK I HIT ON, UH, HIGH POINTS THERE.
UM, DID WANT TO POINT OUT TO, UH, LATITUDES.
IT'S KIND OF A, A DEEP RED THERE.
SO SOME OF OUR DATA GOES BACK TO PRIOR TO THE SIGNAL BEING INSTALLED.
'CAUSE THAT SIGNAL'S RELATIVELY NEW A YEAR, TWO YEARS OLD, TWO, UH, TWO YEARS OLD NOW.
AND SO WE HAD A FIVE YEAR DATABASE FOR THAT.
SO WE DID SEE SOME SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS FROM, UM, SOME CRASH SEVERITIES, BUT NOT A DECREASE IN CRASHES.
SO WHEN YOU INSTALL SIGNAL, YOU EXPECT, UM, YOU CAN FIX ANGLE, BUT YOU GET MORE REAR ENDS, UH, WITH THE SIGNAL, UM, FOR THAT MAIN LINE STOCK SPEED ISSUE.
UM, AND I'VE DISCUSSED WITH MATT THAT PART OF THE BACKLOG AT THAT LIGHT THAT'S GOES PAST JOHN SMITH IS THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO FIX THOSE TWO TURNING LANE.
WHERE, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT, RIGHT? AND SO DI DYLAN SAID WE'RE WORKING WITH STANTEC.
UH, ACTUALLY TOMORROW THERE'S A MEETING,
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STANTEC HAS A MEETING WITH, NOW IT'S DES WAS WHAT'S DEC.UH, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET ANY REMAINING ISSUES TAKEN CARE OF WITH THAT, WITH THE PERMITTING, BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT THAT OUT TO BID REALLY QUICKLY.
UM, AND BY, BY REALLY QUICKLY, I MEAN MAYBE PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS I WOULD THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BID THAT PROJECT.
AND WE DO HAVE DA FUNDS AVAILABLE TO DO THAT.
AND THAT WOULD BE TWO TURN WELL LENGTH IN THE EXISTING LANE.
AND THEY HAD A SECOND ONE ON BOTH SIDES AND ADDING YES, SIR.
WE DOT UM, EVEN THOUGH TWO ARE NOT WARRANTED RIGHT NOW ON THE LAKESIDE, DOT WAS AMENABLE TO LETTING US DO, WE SAID, LOOK, IF WE'RE GONNA BE MOBILIZING PEOPLE, IT JUST MAKES MORE SENSE.
AND THEY, THEY WERE AMENABLE TO THAT.
AND WITH THAT, YOU WILL GET YOUR GREEN LIGHT.
SO IF YOU HAVE TWO LANES, YOU HAVE, IT'S ONLY FIVE SECONDS, BUT YOU GUN, I GET GUNNING IN FIVE SECONDS, BUDDY.
WELL, YOU KNOW, LATELY THOUGH, WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC GOING IN THERE IN THE MORNINGS TRYING TO WATCH DUMP TRUCKS AND, UH, CONCRETE TRUCKS TURN IN THERE IS A NIGHTMARE.
AND I FEEL FOR THE GUYS, THE, THE ONE DAY I PULLED OUT THERE AND BLOCKED TRAFFIC SO THE THREE OF THEM COULD GET THROUGH.
'CAUSE THEY HAD SAT THROUGH TWO LIGHT CYCLES.
JUST TO, TO GET THROUGH THERE.
BUT IF I DON'T HAVE TO SIT ON 2 78 ANYMORE AND WAITING TO TURN IN AND LOOKING IN MY REAR VIEW MIRROR, I'M GONNA LIKE THAT.
SO THIS IS, UH, OUR PUBLIC MEETING.
WHAT WE HEARD, THIS IS A REVIEW AGAIN, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
WHEN ARE WE GONNA WIDEN 2 78? IS THERE POTENTIAL GOLF CART ACCESS FOR, UH, HILTON HEAD LAKES AND LATITUDES BEING THAT HILTON HEAD LAKES HAS THE GOLF COURSES, LATITUDES DOES NOT.
SO ANY TYPE OF INTERCONNECTIVITY THERE, UH, GREEN ARROW FOR HILTON HEAD LAKES.
SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN IN THE WORKS.
UM, TO PRESERVE THE HISTORICAL LAND SWAMPS, UH, SIGNAL, JOHN SMITH SIGNAL WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD.
WE NEED SOME DECELERATION LANE.
SO GOING ON TO JOHN SMITH FROM 2 78.
UM, MULTI-USE PASS, UH, RETAIL IS NEEDED.
SO A LOT OF THIS FROM THAT PUBLIC MEETING HAS ALREADY PROGRESSED A LITTLE BIT.
SO WE'RE GETTING, UM, THE TURN LANES WITH, WITH STANTEC PROJECTS GOING THROUGH THE CITY, UH, GETTING THAT GREEN ARROW FOR HILTON HEAD LAKES AND SIGNAL ENT, UH, IS COMING, UM, WITH THE SAFETY FUNDS FROM DOT.
SO IN THIS, THIS MULTI-USE PATH TO RETAIL IS, WE'VE GOT A PRETTY LARGE CONTINGENT FROM BOTH LATITUDES AND, AND HILTON HEAD LAKES TO THE MEETING.
AND WHAT THEIR MAJOR COMPLAINT WAS THAT I, IF I HAVE TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE OR IF I'VE GOTTA GO PICK UP, YOU KNOW, SOME CLOTHES OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, TO GO TO TARGET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I'VE GOTTA GET IN MY CAR AND ON 2 78, UH, 'CAUSE IT'S, OR I'VE GOTTA GO TOWARDS BLUFFTON, I'VE GOTTA GET INTO BLUFFTON TO DO IT BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING LOCAL TO, UM, TO THIS AREA.
AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF ONE OF THE BIG THINGS.
AND THEN IF YOU GET THE RETAIL, CAN THEY INTERCONNECT? IS THERE A WAY TO CONNECT THOSE BIG RESIDENTIAL HUBS TO THESE RETAIL AREAS THAT MIGHT BE COMING WITH SOME PLAN DEVELOPMENTS WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT LATER THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET IN THEIR CAR, UH, TO, TO DO THOSE TYPE THINGS.
UM, SO REALLY KIND OF THINKING INTO THE FUTURE FOR, FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, SO OUR FUTURE CONDITION ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE GONNA GO OVER HERE, UH, SO BY 2030 OF THE DEVELOPMENTS WE HAVE, LIKE, EACH ONE OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS HAS, UM, A, A VERY DIFFERENT TRACK, RIGHT? SO THEY MIGHT NOT BE ON THE SIDE PLAN, BUT TO NORMALIZE OUR DATA, WE ADD TO, WE ASSUME BY 20, 30, 20 5%, 20, 35, 50% OF THOSE THESE DEVELOPMENTS LISTED.
AND THEN 2045, A HUNDRED PERCENT WOULD BE BUILT.
NOW, IS THAT GONNA BE THE EXACT CASE? NOT NECESSARILY.
UM, BUT IT'S OUR BEST WAY TO KIND OF PROJECT SOME STUFF OUT, UH, TO THE FUTURE.
UM, SO YOU COULD SEE THE LIST OF THE TRACKS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, THE DALTON OVER THERE, UH, KIND OF DISTRIBUTED ALL THIS STUFF, PUT IT ALL IN, UM, AND, AND, AND GOT INTO OUR NETWORK TO BUILD THESE FUTURE CONDITIONS.
SO THERE IS A ANOTHER THING THAT I WANT TO GO BACK TO.
SO FOR AT THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION, I THINK IT'S THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
UM, THERE IS A FOCUS ON MORGAN TRACT, WEST ARGENT IN SOUTH POINT, AND WHAT THEIR PROCESS TO GET APPROVED THROUGH S-C-D-O-T IS GOING TO BE AND, AND IS CURRENTLY ONGOING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEIR APPROVAL NEEDS TO BE FOR THE CITY OF HARDY.
SO DOT SOMETIMES HAS TO LOOK AT STUFF IN ISOLATION.
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WEST A SOUTH POINT AND OREGON TRACK ALL SUBMITTING STUFF TO THEM FOR REVIEW OR ABOUT TO SUBMIT STUFF TO REVIEW.BUT THE WAY DOT WORKS, IT SAYS I'M GONNA USE, UM, WEST AR AS EXAMPLE.
SO WEST AR IS DOING THEIR TIA MORGAN TRACK AND SOUTH POINT AREN'T APPROVED YET.
SO THEY ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE TO CONSIDER THE TRAFFIC OF THOSE TWO DEVELOPMENTS.
LIKE, BECAUSE IF THOSE TWO DEVELOPMENTS DON'T HAPPEN, AND THERE'S A CHANCE THAT WEST SERGEANT WOULD BE KIND OF FOOTING THE BILL FOR A LOT OF STUFF THAT MAY NOT BE NEEDED.
AND SO WHAT WE THEN TOLD THOSE DEVELOPMENTS AS PART OF THIS PROCESS WAS GET THE DOT APPROVAL, BUT TO GO THROUGH THE APPROVALS OF THE CITY OF HARVILLE, Y'ALL HAVE TO CONSIDER EACH OTHER.
Y'ALL ALL SUBMITTING FOR PLANNING COMMISSION COUNCIL, ET CETERA, ALL GENERALLY AT THE SAME TIME.
AND SO THERE'S A, UM, HARDY APPROACH SUMMED UP VERY, VERY WELL BY CAITLIN.
LOVE OVER AT ACCESS ENGINEERING, UH, OF GENERALLY WHAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DO.
UM, SO THEY HAVE THESE COMBINATIONS OF DEVELOPMENTS.
SO GATEWAY CROSSING, CAR TRACK, MORGAN TRACK, SOUTH POINT, WEST ORIGIN, SO MANY OTHER THINGS.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S GONNA BE A 3% NON PERCENT, UH, SPECIFIC GROWTH ONTO US, 2 78 THAT THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE, ARE ADDING IN.
SO OUR DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE WE HAVE A DIFFERENT HORIZON YEAR, AND WE CONSIDERED EVEN MORE DEVELOPMENTS, THEY DID, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A LOWER GROWTH IN THIS.
IT WAS ONE, ONE POINT A HALF PERCENT.
UM, AND THEN THEY TALKED ABOUT THEIR PEAK HOUR FACTORS USED AND HEAVY VEHICLES PRESENTED USED.
SO THIS IS ALL BOUGHT IN BY KIMLEY HORN AND STANTEC FOR THOSE THOSE TO USE.
SO THIS IS KIND OF A UNIQUE ONE.
UH, AND IT MIGHT BE THE PROCESS GOING FORWARD FOR MOST DEVELOPMENTS IN HARVILLE, THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED.
BUT FOR THESE THREE SPECIFIC THAT ARE ALL RIGHT AROUND EACH OTHER AND FOCUSED TO JOHN SMITH, THIS IS WHAT THOSE TEAMS ARE DOING.
AND SO WHEN YOU GET SUBMITTALS OR THEY'RE COMING BEFORE YOU FOR PLANNING COMMISSION, THIS IS STUFF THAT WE'RE REVIEWING FOR THEM, UM, MOVING FORWARD.
SO, UH, PROBABLY FORGET, UH, SOME OF THE NAMES.
SWAGGART IS WHERE? THAT'S THE ONE OFF THAT STAND LANDING.
YEAH, THAT'S MILLSTONE LANDING OFF OFF PINE HARBOR.
AND, UM, INSPIRED LIVING AND GRAY TRACK.
GRAY TRACK IS, UM, UH, ROYAL OAKS, THE ONE NEXT TO THE SCHOOL.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S BEHIND THE HOSPITAL PART OF THE COASTAL LAND AREA.
KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING IS THEN.
NOW I KNEW 'EM BY DIFFERENT NAMES.
WE'LL PROBABLY CHANGE NAMES BY THE TIME AND YOU KNOW HOW GOOD I AM WITH NAMES.
SO THERE'S, I MEAN, THE MORAL STORY'S A LOT GOING ON, UH, IN VILLE.
SO, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT YOU'VE GOT THE DOT PROJECT.
UM, THAT'S COMING THROUGH 20 27, 20 28 TIMEFRAME FOR THE EXIT.
UH, EIGHT IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH CREATES THE DIVERGING DIAMOND.
UM, A FEW HIGH, HIGH POINTS HERE WE'LL GET INTO WITH THE CONCEPT AS WELL.
NEW SIGNAL AT 17 AND, UM, 2 78, CREATING THE DIVERGENT DIAMOND, UH, INTERCHANGE, UH, RELOCATING THE INTERSECTION, UM, OF MEDICAL CENTER FURTHER TO THE EAST, UH, WHICH WILL HELP WITH THAT SPACING ISSUE WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE CONGESTION RIGHT THERE AT THE RAMPS.
'CAUSE TODAY THOSE NORTHBOUND RAMPS KIND OF BACK OUT OUT, BUT IT'S JUST THAT TIMING OF THE SIGNAL.
UM, THERE, UM, OTHER KIND OF POINTS WITH THIS, THIS PROPOSED ROUNDABOUT, UM, WE REALLY, REALLY WOULD LIKE MORE SPACING BETWEEN THE INTERCHANGE.
SO WE DID SOME MODELING OVERALL THAT ROUNDABOUT OPERATES WELL, BUT THERE MIGHT BE, UH, QUEUING ISSUES DURING THOSE PEAK TIMES JUST BECAUSE THE PROXIMITY OF THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS.
SO, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONSTRUCTED YET, WORKING WITH DOT ON SOME OF SOME OF THAT TO SEE WHAT WE CAN, IF THERE'S ANY POSSIBILITY OF MOVING IT FURTHER NORTH, JUST FOR A POINT, UM, THERE BEHIND THE FAIRFIELD.
UH, AND IN SUITES THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE, HOW MANY APARTMENTS DID WE APPROVE FOR THAT? THREE 50.
SO THAT ADDS EVEN MORE INTO THAT MATRIX.
THAT'S, I LOOK RIGHT HERE IN THIS ONE.
AND ALL OF THIS IS PROPOSED AND ONE OF THE GOOD NEWS IS THE STARTING OF THE WIDENING OF 2 78 STARTS THROUGH HERE.
RIGHT? SO THEY'RE DOING A PORTION OF IT AND THEN TAPER IT BACK DOWN AS YOU GET TOWARDS JOHN SMITH.
BUT HOPEFULLY NOVEMBER THERE'LL BE SOME MONEY SET ASIDE, UH, THROUGH THE SALES TAX REFERENDUM FOR THE TWO 70 WIDENING.
'CAUSE IT IS DEFINITELY A NEED IN THE AREA.
UM, ALL RIGHT, SO THIS SLIDE JUST SHOWS
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THE ABSOLUTE DENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PLANNED THROUGH.THIS IS A MAP BY THOMAS AND HUTTON ON CITY'S WEBSITE.
SO, AND THIS IS STUFF THAT WE CONSIDERED IN THIS.
SO, UM, WEST SERGEANT, UM, THE HILTON HEAD LAKES BUILD OUT, UM, UH, PENINSULA TRACT OVER HERE, MORGAN TRACT, THE FINALIZATION OF THE LATITUDES MARGARITA PLUS THE CAR TRACK.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE, UH, WORKED REALLY IN SOUTH POINT OVER ON THIS SIDE.
UM, SO WE HAVE WORKED VERY, VERY CLOSELY WITH THOSE TEAMS. AND I'LL BE VERY HONEST, THE DEVELOPMENT TEAMS HAVE BEEN VERY OPEN TO PARTNERING WITH US.
IT'S BEEN A REALLY GOOD PARTNERSHIP THROUGH THIS.
UM, SOME OF THE RESULTS, I THINK THEY'VE WANTED TO THROW A BOOK AT ME, BUT OTHER, OTHERWISE IT'S BEEN REALLY GOOD OF WORKING TOGETHER TO GET THEIR VOLUMES SPECIFIC TO THIS ALTOGETHER IN OUR MODELS, UM, TO THEN PROJECT OUT FOR OUR FUTURE BUILD CONDITIONS.
AND ALSO WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL THE STUFF ALONG EAST A THAT COULD COME DOWN TO ARGENT, UH, IN, IN THIS SECTION OF 2 78.
SO ALL THAT WAS CONSIDERED AS WELL IN OUR STUDY.
UM, SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN IF WE THROW EVERYTHING ON TO 2 78 WITHOUT WIDENING IT BY 2030? SO NOW JUST WHAT, SIX REALLY FIVE AND A HALF SHORT YEARS AWAY, EVERYTHING FAILS.
UM, AND, AND WITH, UH, EXACTLY, WITH THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN EXACTLY? SO THAT MEANS THAT YOU'RE, YOUR DELAY YOU EXPERIENCE.
SO TO PUT IT INTO KIND OF THAT EMOTIONAL TERM, YOU'RE GONNA BE FRUSTRATED NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE, A LOT OF TIMES THOSE DAYS THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SMOOTH SAIL ON ALONG 2 78, IF YOU'RE ON THOSE SIDE STREETS ANYWHERE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE EVEN LONGER DELAYS TO WAIT TO MAKE YOUR TURNS JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE, UM, SOMETIMES I LIKE TO DESCRIBE TRAFFIC A LITTLE BIT LIKE AN ARTERY, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT CAN HAVE A GOOD FLOW IN IT, BUT THEN YOU START EATING THOSE FATTY FOODS AND STUFF STARTS CLOGGING IT UP AND THEN THERE'S A CERTAIN POINT THAT IT BREAKS AND IT'S REALLY BAD FOR YOU.
IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE, IS TO DO SOME STUFF.
AND SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA ARE ALSO DOING STUFF.
SO JUST, THIS IS MORE OF A FYI, IF WE DON'T DO THING ON 2 78, KEEP IT AS FOUR LANES.
UM, YOU'RE A RAY OF SUNSHINE TODAY,
SO I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING FIVE AND A HALF YEARS.
EVEN IF WE STARTED TOMORROW MM-HMM.
WE WOULD PROBABLY STILL BE HARD PRESSED.
AND SO THE GOAL WOULD BE, WE KNOW, WE KNOW THIS IS, IS COMING.
THE GOAL IS TO GET THOSE SOLUTIONS IN AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
SO THERE WILL BE OBVIOUSLY SOME RAMP UP TIME OF, OF GETTING THE, HOPEFULLY THE TWO 70 WIDENING, WHICH REALLY HOPEFULLY STARTS WITH 2 78 REFERENDUM SALES TAX REFERENDUM TO GET THAT FUNDING TO THE SIDE.
UH, THIS IS ONE OF THE PROJECTS ON THERE.
SO GO AHEAD AND GET THAT PROCESS GOING.
'CAUSE IT IS A, IT IS A NEED AND IT'S A NEED EXCLUSIVE OF A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA TOO.
SO IT IS NOT THE DEVELOPMENTS IN HARDY THAT ARE LIKE THE SOLE REASON.
IT'S THE TRAFFIC GOING TO AND FROM BLUFFTON, IT'S THE TRAFFIC GOING TO AND FROM HILTON HEAD.
'CAUSE THIS IS THE WAY, THIS IS THE WAY TO CONNECT BEAUFORT AND JASPER COUNTIES AND THE TRAFFIC FLOWING THROUGH.
AND, AND RIGHT NOW THIS SECTION OF HARDY V IS A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE MOST, THERE'S OTHER SMALL COMMERCIAL UP TOWARDS 95, BUT AS IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW, IT'S MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL THING.
THAT'S A LOT OF COMMUTING TRAFFIC AS WELL.
SO WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THERE ARE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE LATITUDE, LIGHT, LARGE COMMERCIAL TRACKS THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY TRYING TO DEVELOP, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THE 72 ACRES OF MARGARITAVILLE AND THE 25 ACRES ACROSS THE STREET, THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL, UH, COMPONENT BETWEEN HILTON HEAD LAKES AND, UH, PRIME STORAGE WILL ALSO BE ACCESSING.
SO THE WITH CURB CUTS THREE WITH CURB CUTS.
SO THERE, THE, AND, AND THIS IS JUST A GENERAL STAKE, THE SOLUTION TO MANY PEOPLE RIGHT NOW IS SAYING, STOP BUILDING UNTIL THE ROADS ARE FIXED.
AND WE CAN, WELL, AND, AND THE PRESSURE ON THIS COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE, IF THE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN SOUTH POINT, GO A MORATORIUM AND SAY NO UNTIL THE ROAD'S FIXED.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING ONE THING OR ANOTHER, BUT THAT'S A LARGE ELEMENT OF, OF THE CITY IN THE REGION, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
STOP IT UNTIL YOU FIX THE ROADS.
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OKAY? THEN OF COURSE, IF THE REFERENDUM BAILS NOW ALL HELL'S BROKE LOOSE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.AND THEN, THEN THE, THE PEOPLE SAYING STOP THE, THE BUILDING GET EVEN LOUDER.
AND I, I'M NOT, THIS IS NOT A VALUE JUDGMENT.
I'M JUST SAYING TO US AS A COUNCIL, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FACED WITH IN THE FUTURE WHEN THESE DEVELOPMENTS COME IN.
BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THERE'S PDDS, LET'S SAY THE MORGAN TRACK SOUTH POINT MORE ON WEST AR, THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING IN FOR MASTER PLANS.
AND WHEN THEY COME IN, PUBLIC'S GONNA SAY, STOP 'EM, HOLD 'EM OFF BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE WATER, SEWER OR ROADS TO ACCOMMODATE IT.
AND THE POWER GRID IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE STRESSED.
AGAIN, THAT'S NOT, I'M NOT ESPOUSING ANYTHING HERE.
I'M JUST, THIS IS A FORE WARNING OF WHAT WE AS A CITY AND WE AS A COUNCIL TOGETHER ARE GOING TO BE FACED WITH FROM AN AN ELEMENT OF THE PUBLIC.
I MEAN, WE HEAR IT EVERY DAY, ALMOST EVERY DAY.
ABOUT STOP THE DEVELOPMENT, STOP THE DEVELOPMENT STOP.
AS, AS WE, WE'VE HAD A PRETTY, LAST YEAR WAS A BIG YEAR IN TERMS WE HAD 6,000 MASTER PLANTS COME IN.
WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD THAT MANY THIS YEAR.
WHICH MEANS THIS IS, THIS COULD BE THE LOW STORE MORGAN WAS SOLD THIS YEAR.
SO THE POTENTIAL INCREASE IN THE WATER HOOKUP FEES ARE GOING TO DRIVE DEVELOPERS AS MUCH AS TO, TO MOVE, TRY TO ACCELERATE THEIR SURE.
SO WE, WE NEED TO, AND STAFF, WE'RE GONNA NEED YOUR HELP A LOT.
HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THESE QUESTIONS AND ISSUES THAT AFFECTS EVERYBODY? AND NOVEMBER'S GONNA BE A, A, A BIG PIECE TO THAT PUZZLE.
THE FIVE YEAR FAILURE, IS THAT BASED UPON THE ESTIMATED 3% GROWTH? OR IS THAT JUST GONNA HAPPEN WITH OR WITHOUT ANY GROWTH? THAT, LEMME JUST GO BACK TO A LITTLE BIT OF A SLIDE.
BUT THAT'S WITH 3% GROWTH AND 25% OF THE DEVELOPMENTS IN THAT AREA.
SO THAT MIGHT, THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT ON THE AGGRESSIVE SIDE.
'CAUSE WE'RE SAYING THAT ALL THE 14 OR SO APPROVED DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAD, 25% OF THEM ARE DEVELOPMENT ARE DEVELOPED IN ON THE ROADS AT THAT POINT.
UM, SO THAT, THAT DOES GO INTO, THAT'S JUST ALL OF OUR PROJECTION BASIS.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS THE BEST THAT WE WE CAN.
SO IF YOU TALK TO MOST OF THE CITIZENRY RIGHT NOW, THEY'LL TELL YOU 2 78 FAILS RIGHT NOW.
AND WHAT WE'VE GOT IS EARLY, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GREEN AS IS.
SO THIS IS WITHOUT THE, THE 3%, WITHOUT THE 25% AS OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, SO WE HAD, WE TALKED ABOUT THE GREEN HERE AT LAKESIDE, UH, MEDICAL CENTER, 95 RAMPS, SOUTHBOUND RAMPS, AND THEN, UM, 17 AND WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD.
AND THIS IS WHEN WE GO TO THIS FIRST SLIDE OF THE FUTURE, UH, HERE IT'S WITH NO IMPROVEMENTS, JUST KEEPING EVERYTHING AS IS.
SO THIS, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING JUST STAYS.
IT'S, IT'S AN ASSUMPTION THAT NOTHING HAPPENS KIND OF THING.
UH, AND SO WE JUST KEEP, OUR ONLY GREEN NOW IS AT THE MEDICAL CENTER.
WHEN, WHEN YOU IDENTIFY THOSE AS, UM, LEVEL SERVICE F IS THAT WHAT, HOW MUCH OF THE DAY? IT'S THE PEAK.
THAT'S SEVEN TO 9:00 AM AND FOUR TO 6:00 PM YEAH.
UH, AT SOME HOUR DURING BETWEEN, BETWEEN THERE.
WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IS AT LEVEL OF SERVICE F NOW.
I PROBABLY COULD HAVE TOLD YOU THAT WITH THAT
YEAH, CERTAINLY AT F EVERY TIME I GO BY IT.
SO I DON'T HAVE TO BE DEBBIE DOWNER, UH, TRUTHFUL THERE.
WELL, WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR, SO YEAH, WE GET 2 78 WIDENED.
AND SO HAVING IT BY 2030 IS A PRETTY AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE.
IF WE GET 2 78 WIDENED WITH THAT EXACT SAME TRAFFIC VOLUME THERE, UM, AND PUTTING IN THE OTHER PROOF, UH, KNOWNS THAT WE KNOW OF A SIGNAL AND ORIGIN SIGNAL AND JOHN SMITH, WE HAVE A LOT MORE GREEN.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S JUST THE IMPACT OF, OF WIDENING AND SOME INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT THESE LOCATIONS.
UM, WE'LL SAY TWO MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE AND JOHN SMITH
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MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE IS BEING LOOKED AT BY SOUTH POINT.THEY'RE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT DOT HAD.
THEY'VE GOT AN ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, TO HELP WITH THAT.
JOHN SMITH ROAD, UH, WEST SERGEANT, SOUTH POINT MORGAN TRACT ARE ALL KIND OF WORKING TOGETHER AT THIS TIME TO MAKE, UH, SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
I DON'T THINK ANYTHING'S BEEN FULLY COMMITTED TO YET.
I THINK THAT THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, BUT THEY'RE ALL CURRENTLY WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE THAT RED A GREEN, UH, IN THE FUTURE.
AND, AND THEN ONE THING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A TENDENCY, WE TALK AND WE THINK, OKAY, TOMORROW AND WILL BE DONE.
BUT EVEN WITH THE SALES TAX REFEREND, KEEP IN MIND THAT'S A FOUR $70 MILLION PROGRAM.
20% OF EVERY DOLLAR IS GONNA GO TO GREEN SPACE.
THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO BUILD WHEN THEY COLLECT, AND CERTAINLY IF THE SECOND REFERENDUM, THE BONDING SIDE OF IT FAILS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO DO IT THAT WAY.
WHICH MEANS 2 78 WIDENING MAY NOT BE THE FIRST DOLLAR COLLECTED AND THEY DON'T EVEN START COLLECTING TILL MAY 25.
SO IT COULD BE YEARS BEFORE THE MONEY FOR THE WIDENING IS COLLECTED.
MUCH LESS THAN THE YEARS ON TOP OF IT TO BUILD.
SO WE'RE REALLY TALKING LONG TERM HERE.
SO WHEN WE, AGAIN, IT COMES BACK AND I'LL, I'LL BRING UP SOUTH POINT AS AN EXAMPLE.
WHEN THESE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS COME IN IT, AND THEY ARE GONNA PUT ADDED STRESS IN THIS, WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT EVEN IF IT PASSES IN NOVEMBER, THE FIX IS YEARS OUT.
AND THESE INDIVIDUAL THINGS ARE GOING TO ADD PRESSURE IN THE SHORT TERM UNTIL THE LONG TERM FIX GETS DONE.
THERE'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN OUR MINDS, AS YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE, WE'VE GOT SOME TOUGH THINGS COMING UP IN THE FUTURE.
THE MAYOR MENTIONED THE POSSIBILITY OF THE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT ON BOTH SIDES OF 2 78 CLOSE TO THE LAKESIDE LATITUDE BOULEVARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE, THE LATITUDE SIDE.
THERE'S TWO CURB CUTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE IN THE SUTTON PROPERTY.
THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE TALKING WITH THE, UH, THE APARTMENTS, WHICH REMAINED IN JASPER COUNTY.
WE HAD NO SAY SO NO INPUT ON THAT.
THEY'VE GIVEN THEM WHAT, TWO OR THREE CURB CUTS OVER THERE? I PROBABLY REMEMBER, IS IT THREE? I THOUGHT IT WAS TWO.
TWO PLUS PLUS THE ONE AT END PLUS, UH, ONE TWO
ONE WAS A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT AND ONE WAS MORE OF A FULL ACCESS, FULL FOLD MAKING A LEFT, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
SO IT'S THREE, IT'S A TOTAL OF THREE, UH, ACCESS POINTS, TWO OF WHICH WILL BE NEW.
BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT HAS NOT GONE THROUGH EVERYTHING IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH TO GET PERMITTED.
SO I WOULDN'T SAY THOSE, THOSE ACCESSES ARE, ARE DEFINITE AT THIS POINT.
WE KNOW HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT ACCELERATION.
SO THAT'S STAMP, THAT'S UP IN, IN RIDGELAND.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHY I WAS THINKING ABOUT DOT, NOT BRIDGELAND,
THEY JUST DON'T, THEY DON'T LIKE, THEY JUST DON'T LIKE IT.
SO THERE'S A, THERE THEREIN LIES A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT ANY CHANGES.
I SEE THE FAILURE RATE NOT IN FIVE YEARS.
IF, IF THEY START TO EITHER ONE OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS, FAILURE IS FIVE YEARS, BE FIXED IS 10 YEARS.
AND THERE ARE OTHER BUCKETS OF FUNDING OUT THERE FOR 2 78 THAT IF THE, THE SALES TAX WAS TO NOT GO THROUGH, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD PURSUE WITH PARTNERS ACROSS BOTH COUNTIES, UH, MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS, UH, THE COG, DOT MAYBE THE FEDS.
FEDS IS PROBABLY GONNA GO AS FAR AS THEY WILL WITH THE EXIT EIGHT PROJECT.
UM, BUT MAYBE THERE'S OTHER FUNDING.
BUT, BUT THE, A GOOD QUICK PATH FORWARD THAT WE'VE GOT NOW IS THE SALES TAX REFERENDUM.
IT'S POSSIBLE, DYLAN, THAT ALSO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, MONKEYS WILL FLY OUT OF THE AIR, BUT IT, IT, TO, TO THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA GET FEDERAL, STATE OR LOW CO MONEY IS, IS JUST SOMETHING I BELIEVE BEING REALISTIC, WE ALL LIVE IN THIS STATE.
ALL THE DOT MONEY THAT, THAT THEY SAID, OH, WHEN YOU SAY WE NEED MONEY DOWN THIS END OF THE STATE, THEY'LL SAY, HOW ABOUT THE HALF A BILLION DOLLARS WE'RE SPENDING ON I 95? RIGHT.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR ANSWER.
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AN EXIT THREE THAT HAS ECONOMIC BENEFIT.YOU KNOW, WE'RE SCRAMBLING TO FIND THE, YOU KNOW, $30 MILLION, FINDING A HALF A BILLION DOLLARS FOR THIS AREA ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
WHAT'S THIS, IS THAT 2045? THIS IS 2045, WAS SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS INTERSECTIONS TOO.
WE'RE STILL IN SIX LANES, BUT THEN THERE'S OTHER INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
SO IN THE NEXT, I'LL GO THROUGH SOME CONCEPTS NEXT THAT HAVE SHORT TERM, LONG TERM.
UM, THE ONLY ONE THAT I'LL SAY WE'VE GONE OVER THIS LAST TIME IS THE JOHN SMITH ONE, THAT IF OTHER THINGS DON'T HAPPEN IN THE AREA, UH, WHICH ARE PLANNED.
SO, SO THAT'S BLUFFTON PARKWAY EXTENSION, UM, THE FRONTAGE ROAD THAT WILL RUN FROM MINTO OVER TO SOUTH POINT, THAT KIND OF FRONTS 2 78, THOSE ARE ALL PULLING TRAFFIC AWAY.
SO THERE'S A CONCEPT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU THAT'S GONNA BE OUR CADILLAC OPTION THAT MAY NOT BE NEEDED IF, UH, IT'S KIND OF AN IF THEN STATEMENT.
'CAUSE THE SHORT TERM WORKS, UH, THAT WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU IF OTHER THINGS, UH, OCCURRED ON THE ROAD.
SO WE'RE LOOKING OUT 2045 AND UM, MAYBE WE'LL BE IN THE JETSONS AND HAVE HER FLYING CARS BY THEN, WHO KNOWS.
BUT, UH, IF THINGS GO OUT BY, BY NOW, UM, AND THINGS KIND OF SAY THAT STATUS QUO, THERE'S A BIG IMPROVEMENT THAT COULD BE NEEDED AT JOHN SMITH.
BUT I WOULD SHOW IT AS I, HEY, THIS COULD WORK.
BUT IT'S BASICALLY CREATING ONE INTERSECTION INTO A LOT OF DIFFERENT SMALLER INTERSECTIONS.
UH, BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT POINT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE A QUICK POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE STOP THIS DEVELOPMENT, THAT BACKGROUND TRAFFIC IS STILL GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW AT 2 78, WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE A PROBLEM.
WE ALREADY HAVE FAILING INTERSECTIONS AT POINTS.
AND IF, IF YOU DO, IF THAT DOES HAPPEN, THEN WE LOSE THAT TIME WHERE WE ARE GETTING INFRASTRUCTURE, OR EXCUSE ME, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS BY THOSE VARIOUS DEVELOPMENTS.
AND WE ARE NOT COLLECTING MONEY FROM DEVELOPMENT FEES THAT WE CAN THEN, EXCUSE ME, PUT TOWARDS 2 78 WHINING BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A LOCAL CONTRIBUTION TO THAT AS WELL.
SO I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT, THAT WE, IF IF WE DO NOTHING, WE, WE, WE DO NOTHING.
WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T ADVANCE OUR CLAUSE.
SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT ALSO, AS YOU CONSIDER ALL THIS, WELL, IT'S THIS SAME CONUNDRUM.
YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE BILL TO GET THE MONEY AND THAT'S RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, THEN WHAT YOU DO AFTER YEAH.
THEN, BUT YOU KNOW, THE MONEY COMES AFTER THE BILL IS NEEDED WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE 15,000 HOMES APPROVED.
SHOULD YOU APPROVE IT? AND THIS IS A RHETORICAL QUESTION, IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA BE FACED WITH.
DO YOU, DO YOU, YOU GOT ENOUGH COMING FROM THE 15,000, WHY, WHY APPROVE ANOTHER 15,000 UNTIL YOU GET IT FIXED? BUT AGAIN, NOVEMBER IS GONNA MAKE THE ANSWER TO THAT RHETORICAL QUESTION A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARER.
UM, AND, AND, UH, BUT IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE EASY IN THE NEXT YEAR.
IF I REMEMBER MAYOR, THE, UM, IF BOTH PASS AND EVERYTHING IS OUT THERE, THERE'S A, A SUBCOMMITTEE DECIDE TO PRIORITIZE WHICH ONES I BELIEVE THAT YOU SUBCOMMITTEE YOU, WHICH IS IN THE ORDINANCE YES.
IS BOTH MAYORS COUNTY COUNCIL CHAIR, AND A MEMBER OF THE SCHOOL.
SO THERE IS NO GUARANTEE, EVEN IF EVERYTHING PASSES, THAT THIS COULD BE A PRIORITY.
WAIT, IT THERE, THERE'S CERTAINLY GOING TO BE A STRUGGLE ON WHAT COMES FIRST.
WHAT COMES FIRST? THIS OR ARJUN BOULEVARD.
YEAH, CERTAINLY THE PEOPLE OF SUN CITY AND RIVERTON POINT AND THE REST OF EAST SERGEANTS GONNA SAY ARJUN BOULEVARD.
UM, MARGARITAVILLE PEOPLE MAY SAY 2 78.
THE, THE DOWNTOWN PEOPLE MAY SAY 2 78 AND JOHN SMITH ROAD.
YOU KNOW, SO EVERYBODY'S GOING TO WANT, SO THAT'S NOT GONNA BE AN EASY TASK.
YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA TAKE IN, YOU GOT THE RIDGELAND AND EVERYBODY ELSE UP THERE, THEY'RE GONNA WANT THEIR SECTION OF THE MONEY TOO.
IT'S $10 MILLION FOR, FOR LEVY ROAD.
YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE CERTAINLY GONNA WANT THAT TEN FIRST 10 MILLION TO GO TO LEVY ROAD.
SO IT'S, IT'S, LET'S SEE YOUR MITIGATION CONCEPTS, 'CAUSE WE WERE PROBABLY GONNA NEED
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA START, UH, OVER AT 17 AND 2 78.
SO YOU CAN SEE OVER HERE IS KINDA THE TAPERING OF THE DDI OVER.
UM, THIS DOES TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE, UH, THE TRAVEL CENTER THAT'S PLANNED OVER HERE, JUST OFF SCREEN ON 17.
SO THIS IS ORIENTED WITH NORTH BEING, UH, FACING EAST.
SO IF WE JUST KIND OF FLIPPED IT THAT WAY, UH, COUNTER CLOCKWISE, UM, THIS IS GOING TOWARDS HARDY
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THIS WAY, UH, TO THE SOUTH.SO DUAL RIGHTS LEFT TURN, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF A, OF DUAL RIGHTS HERE THROUGH LANE.
UM, AND THEN DUAL LEFTS OFFICE 17 AND THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE.
UM, THIS WAS LOOKED AT AS A ROUNDABOUT AND A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
AND THE ROUNDABOUT WORKED PRETTY WELL IN THE SHORT TERM, BUT THEN AS YOU WENT OUT TO LONGER TERM IT, IT FAILED.
AND SO THE SIGNAL GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE ADAPTABILITY, UH, TO THOSE LONGER TERM.
THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC ON 17, THE LOGGING TRUCKS, THEY JUST LOVE TO HAVE A ROUNDABOUT.
AND I OH, WELL YOU'LL SEE NOTHING YET.
WHERE DO YOU GET TWO AND A HALF MILLION SQUARE FEET OF WAREHOUSING FROM PROJECT 95
UM, DYLAN, WITH THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, THESE ARE NOT PART OF DT.
THIS, THE SIGNAL IS NOT ALL OF THEM.
IT'S ACTUALLY A COMBO, BUT THE LANE IMPROVEMENTS, YEAH.
SO THE SIGNAL IS, BUT THE LANE IMPROVEMENTS MORE COMES FROM THAT TRAVEL CENTER.
UM, THE TRAVEL CENTER WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
THAT'S IN THEIR, THAT'S IN THERE STUFF.
UM, SO THIS IS NOT, IT'S CLEAR ON THE POWERPOINT, BUT I DON'T LET US GO ON THERE.
SO THAT, THESE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, ABOUT THAT NUMBER UP HERE IS ABOUT $5.3 MILLION IN INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS OF THAT INTERSECTION.
UM, I'LL SAY WE HAVE THE OPINIONS OF PROBABLE CONSTRUCTION COST, CCS, THESE ARE USING DOT STANDARDS AND, AND US MEASURING STUFF OFF OF OUR DESIGN FILES.
WE HAVE 'EM FOR THE SHORT TERM.
THE LONGER TERM WE HAVEN'T DEVELOPED 'EM FOR YET.
IT'S MORE JUST KIND OF WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT IN THESE SHORT TERM NEEDS OF, UH, FINANCIALS AND WHAT THESE KINDA ALSO GIVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE ARE PROVIDING TOO, AS FAR AS SOME OF THESE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, LONG TERM, NOT A, NOT A BIG DIFFERENCE.
UM, WE'RE JUST ADDING AN ADDITIONAL LEFT TURN LANE ONTO 2 78 TO GO SOUTH TOWARDS HARDY BUILT.
UM, AND THAT ONE GOTTA WORK WITHIN THE RAILROAD EASEMENTS THERE.
PROBABLY HAVE TO WORK WITH THE RAILROAD AS WE LOOK OUT.
UH, BUT THAT'S, IF THINGS DEVELOPED, MONITOR THE SIGNAL AND, AND KNOW THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE COMING LONG TERM.
WE'RE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
THERE'S ONLY ONE MODIFICATION THAT SUGGESTED FROM WHAT THE DOT UH, IMR HAS AND, UM, WHAT WE'RE KIND OF PROPOSING LONG TERM.
WHEREAS THIS OUTER LANE, THEY HAVE AS AN EXCLUSIVE LEFT TO GO THIS WAY.
UH, WE'D LIKE IT TO BE LIKE A SHARED THROUGH LEFT.
UM, SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THAT THIRD THROUGH LANE GOING ALONG 2 78.
UM, THAT'S THE ONLY MODIFICATION.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, I, I'M NOT WORKING DIRECTLY ON THAT, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THE TRAVEL CENTER GOING IN OVER HERE IS ALSO LOOKING AT THAT IMPROVEMENT TO WORK WITH DOT ON.
UM, NEXT IS JUST THE RELOCATION OF, OF MEDICAL CENTER.
SO JUST OFF SCREEN HERE IS WHERE IT IS TODAY.
THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UM, RELOCATING IT FOR THE WEST, CREATING THE FRONTAGE ROAD, WHICH WOULD THEN GET YOU INTO THE OR BACK ROAD, EXCUSE ME, WHICH THEN GETS YOU INTO THE, UM, MCDONALD'S GAS STATIONS, THE IN MARKET OVER THERE.
ALSO SOUTH POINT UTILIZING THIS INTERSECTION AS WELL, UM, AS PART OF THEIR ACCESS.
OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM TOO IS LIKE, OKAY, THEY GET THE MASTER PLAN APPROVED, BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO SUPPLEMENT EACH PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT WITH THE TIA BECAUSE THEIR MASTER PLAN ASSUMES THAT THIS IS IN IN PLACE.
AND THEN ONCE THEY GO FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT PIECE OF SOUTH POINT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE EXPECTING TRAFFIC HERE AND IT'S NOT THERE, THEN THEY'VE GOTTA PHASE IT.
SO MAYBE THE FIRST COUPLE PHASES OF SOUTH POINT IS, AND THEY'VE TALKED TO US STUDENTS ONLY OFF OF JOHN SMITH TO START.
MAYBE THAT'S THE LAST THING YOU DO.
WHICH IS WHAT PUT CURB CUTS ON JOHN SMITH ROAD THAT'S ALREADY FAILING ENOUGH.
THEIR JOHN, UH, SOUTH POINT WEST SERGEANT MORGAN TRACK ARE ALL WORKING TOGETHER NOW ON IMPROVEMENTS FOR JOHN SMITH.
AND SOUTH POINT DOES HAVE SOME PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS TO JOHN SMITH TO RECEIVE, UH, DUAL LEFTS.
SO THEY'D BE WIDENING, UH, JOHN SMITH FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT TOO.
UM, SO THEY WOULD BE DOING IT ALL.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT KIND OF AT THE END OF THIS, BUT THEY'LL BE DOING TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UM, LINEAGE IMPROVEMENTS, WIDENING ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF.
RUNNING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT TOO.
IT'S LIKE A SPINE THAT'S TAKE SOME OF THAT BLEED OFF.
THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT WE NEEDED A WORKSHOP THAT, SO THAT MEANS ALL THOSE BEAUTIFUL TREES ON JOHN SMITH'S GONNA GO.
SO WHY DIDN'T JOHN SMITH, ANYTHING
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THAT WOULD BE ON THAT FRONTAGE PART TO MAKE IT OPERATE WITH THE STUFF.IF THERE'S TREES RIGHT ON THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THE CLEAR ZONE.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR OFF THEY ARE FROM, FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY TODAY, BUT IF IT'S WIDENED AND THEY ARE IN THAT CLEAR ZONE, THEN THEY'LL LIKELY BE REMOVED.
SO THAT GOES ANOTHER SCENIC ROAD.
YOU CAN GO TO LEVY AND RIDE AROUND
SO THESE IMPROVEMENTS, THE SALES TAX GOES YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT DOWN IS THAT, THAT'S SHOWING AN ENLARGED ROUNDABOUT THERE TO INCREASE.
AND SO LIKE WHAT THE, THE KIND OF GOOD NEWS ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT AND ITS PROXIMITY TO THE SIGNAL IS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO QUEUE UP WILL BACK UP INTO HERE.
THE ONLY THING WE'LL BE INCONVENIENT IS DEPENDING ON THE TRAFFIC OFF A BRICKYARD, WHICH IS NOW PROJECTED TO BE PRETTY LOW, WEST AR HAS A VERY MINIMAL AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC GOING TO AND FROM, IT'S NOT A HEAVY FLOW THROUGH HERE.
UH, THAT IF THIS LANE WAS TO BACK OUT INTO HERE AND BLOCK THIS UP, THEN THEY COULD TURN IN HERE AND START COMING THE ROUNDABOUT UP A LITTLE BIT.
THIS WOULD BE DESIGNED TO HANDLE THOSE DESIGN VEHICLES.
'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT HOSPITAL DELIVERIES, YOU'VE GOT THE BUSES, YOU'VE GOT SO MUCH OTHER, THE TRASH TRUCKS, ET CETERA.
WELL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 345 APARTMENTS THAT WE KNOW OF, PLUS THE, THE FARINO DEVELOPMENT EVERY, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE GOING DOWN PAST THE HOSPITAL.
UM, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS CAME IN AT ABOUT SIX AND A HALF MILLION.
UM, UH, IN THIS, I'LL SAY TWO, UM, WHEN WE GET TO JOHN SMITH, UM, WHICH IS HERE THAT OUR OPCC IS GONNA BE EXCLUSIVE OF THE THREE, THE WIDENING OF 2 78.
SO THIS WOULD JUST BE FOR SIGNALS, TURN LANES, ALL THE STUFF THAT'S PLANNED.
AND, UH, THE, THE CURRENT ASK WITH, UM, WITH THE DEVELOPERS, UH, OF SOUTH POINT MORGAN TRACK WEST A IS IF THEY'RE GOING THROUGH DESIGN FOR THESE, FOR PERMITTING, THAT THEY'RE ALLOCATING WIDTH FOR THE WIDENING OF 2 78 IN THEIR DESIGNS.
UM, AND SO ALL THAT HAS NOT BEEN FORMALLY AGREED TO YET, BUT IT'S PART OF THE, THE ASK.
UM, SO JOHN SMITH, UH, I'LL CIRCLE BACK TO THIS WHEN THE MAYOR GETS BACK, BUT THE, UH, SOUTH POINT HAD RECOMMENDED DUAL LEFTS.
SO FROM 2 78 COMING FROM BLUFFTON ONTO JOHN SMITH, NOW THEY'VE GOT THE, INITIALLY THEY HAD A A, AN ACCESS THAT WAS REALLY, REALLY CLOSE TO THE SIGNAL.
THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE AT LEAST A THOUSAND FEET OF RUN, UH, OF THE RECEIVING LANE BEFORE THEY COULD TAPER BACK DOWN.
UM, BUT REALLY THAT WIDENING FOUR LANE OF, OF JOHN SMITH WE'RE STAYING WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
JUST TO KIND OF ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE TREES.
THE WIDENING OF JOHN SMITH TO FOUR LANE LOOKS FINE, BUT THAT BRIDGE ISN'T GONNA BE FOUR LANES.
IT'S GONNA YEAH, IT'S GONNA TAPER BACK DOWN BEFORE THE BRIDGE FOUR LANES THAT FAR DOWN.
SO WE WOULDN'T NEED THE FOUR LANE THAT FAR.
UM, BUT UM, BUT WOULDN'T THAT CAUSE A BOTTLENECK THOUGH, GOING FROM A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC GRADUAL GOTCHA.
GRADUAL DISPERSING BEFORE IT'S UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, THE WIDENING OF JOHN SMITH ROAD, OTHER THAN WHAT THE PROPOSED RIGHT IMPROVEMENTS ARE, IS NOT IN THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX.
SO WE CAN PUT IT AS A HYPOTHETICAL, BUT EVEN IF THAT TRANSPORTATION, SALES TAX, THERE'S NO MONEY TO WIDEN JOHN SMITH ROAD.
THE MONEY WOULD COME IN FROM THE DEVELOPMENT, THE WHOLE LENGTH OF, NOT THE WHOLE LENGTH OF JOHN SMITH, JUST FOR AT LEAST TO GET THE RECEIVING LINKS AND STORAGE THAT THEY NEED.
SO IN THEIR TIAS, THEY'VE GOT, UH, SO LIKE SOUTH POINT FOR EXAMPLE, HAD THE TWO LEFTS COMING FROM 2 78 DOWN JOHN SMITH, YOU HAVE TO WIDEN TO RECEIVE THAT OTHER LEFT.
'CAUSE IT'S ONLY ONE LANE NOW.
SO YOU HAVE, THEY HAVE TO WIDEN AND THEN THEY'VE GOT THE WIDENING FOR THEIR TURN LANES AND STORAGES UP AT THE SIGNAL ITSELF, UH, TO, BUT NOW IT'S ALSO THAT'S LITTLE CORNER THERE BEFORE YOU GET THE, THE, THERE'S THE, THE POWER EASEMENT, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHERE'S THE WETLANDS? SO WE HAVE, UH, OFF SCREEN, THEY KIND OF SCOOT BACK THIS WAY, BUT WE'RE PRETTY DRY BASED OFF OF OUR, THAT GIS YEAH.
OUR GIS HERE HAS WETLANDS, UH, AND OUR WETLANDS UP HERE.
AND THEN IF YOU'RE TALKING, I, I HAVE A, I HAVE A SUGGESTION THAT IT'S ALL PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.
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WOULD HAVE A WORKSHOP ON, ON SOUTH POINTS.IT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS MM-HMM.
SO WE CAN BEAT THE SOURCE OF DEATH, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THIS WORKSHOP RATHER THAN SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IT TODAY.
VISIT IT IN ITS ENTIRETY AT THE WORKSHOP BECAUSE I HAVE SOME SERIOUS DOUBTS THAT ALL THE THINGS YOU'RE SAYING WILL NOT GET A YES VOTE FROM ME THEN TWO YEARS AGO, CERTAINLY HEARING WHAT I'M HEARING AND TEARING DOWN ALL THE TREES, SO FAR NOTHING I'VE HEARD GETS A YES OUT OF ME.
SO THAT WORKSHOP SHOULD BE HELD SEPARATELY.
I HEARD RUMORS THAT WORKSHOP NEXT THURSDAY, I WON'T BE HERE NEXT THURSDAY, I'LL BE TRAVELING FOR WORK.
SO IF WE DALTON, MIKE COULD COVER OR UH, IF WE WANT YOU TO BE THERE, JUST HAVE TO BE AT A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT DATE.
DON'T CARE WHETHER IT'S YOU OR DALTON.
SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE THAT'S RIGHT.
YOU'RE DON YOU'RE IN TROUBLE NOW.
ENJOY YOUR, ENJOY YOUR OTHER OBLIGATIONS.
SO, UM, SO YEAH, AND A BIG PART OF THIS TOO, UH, IS WEST ARGENT HAS, WE'VE KIND OF CHANGED UP THEIR PLAN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, INSTEAD OF CREATING THAT NEW CONNECTION POINT, UH, TO CREATE A T HERE, WE'VE ASKED THEM TO REALIGN ROAD A, WHICH WILL BE LIKE NOW JOHN SMITH.
SO, SO I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, SO IS THIS THE ROSE SAME ROAD A THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH LENA AND ALL OF THAT ROAD AA? YEAH.
SO THE CANCER CENTER IS THERE AND OUR NEW LUMBER COMPANY IS RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD.
IS THAT WHERE IT'S GONNA COME OUT AT? THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING.
YEAH, BECAUSE WHAT WE HAD THE CANCER CENTER AND THE FOUR CORNERS BUILD A SUPPLY.
SO WE'RE WE RIGHT NOW WITH WHERE THIS STUFF IS PLANNED? IT'S RIGHT, WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE.
IT'S COME DOWN THAT I KNOW THERE'S A ROAD BACK THERE.
WE UM, THEN CONNECT BACK TO BRICKYARD, UM, THE INTERSECTION.
AND THEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT WHERE KIND OF THEIR, THEIR ACCESS TO WEST AR AND ITS CONNECTION TO BRICKYARD AT THAT EXISTING ROADWAY.
THEY, THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH A FEW DIFFERENT, UM, ALIGNMENTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE SETTLED ON SOMETHING FINAL, BUT WHAT WE FOUND, THE REASON THAT WE'VE ASKED JOHN OR ROAD A TO MOVE OVER WAS IF THEY BUILT THE SIGNAL AS PLANNED JUST OFF SCREEN HERE TO THE WEST, THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE QUEUING ISSUES ALL THROUGH THEIR, THEIR SIGNAL.
AND SO WHILE THEIR SIGNAL MIGHT HAVE SHOWN GOOD LEVELS OF SERVICE, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AS A FULL CORRIDOR, UM, YOU ARE GONNA HAVE, UH, QUEUES BACK THROUGH THEIR, THEIR SIGNAL.
SO THEN IT DOESN'T OPERATE WELL RIGHT DURING THOSE PEAK TIMES.
ELIMINATION OF THE ACCESS POINT AT UH, BRICK YARD ON A 2 78 FURTHER DOWN BY PRIME STORAGE WOULD MAKE SENSE.
THEN DIRECT THAT TRAFFIC DOWN TO A LIGHTED INTERSECTION.
WE, WE HAVE BRICKYARD GOING UP RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.
SO LIKE KEEPING ITS CONNECTION AS IS BUT NOT KEEPING IT FULL MOVEMENT.
SO, UM, THAT YOU COULD GO, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM LUPTON, YOU COULD STILL TURN RIGHT ONTO BRICKYARD BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TURN LEFT.
AND CAN YOU EDUCATE THE DRIVERS DOWN HERE? THAT FACT THAT'S, THEY DON'T SEEM TO PAY ATTENTION MUCH NOW ANYWAY.
THE MEDIA WOULD CLOSE UP AND STUFF FOR THAT, UH, TO GET PERMIT.
SO THEN THERE WILL BE AN DECELERATION AND AN ACCELERATION LANE IN ORDER FOR THOSE FOLKS GOING TO BRICKYARD TO TURN THE RIGHT AND THEN MAKE A RIGHT.
YOU HAVE A D CELL BUT YOU WOULDN'T GET THE XL DOT.
SO WE HAVE, THIS IS ONE THAT CAME FROM UM, SOUTH POINT AND IF WE CAN GET THIS TO WORK 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF AN ACCELERATION LANE, BUT WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF LENGTH.
SO SOUTH POINT HAS THIS NORTHBOUND RIGHT FREE FLOW WITH AN AD LANE.
SO YOU ACTUALLY SEE IT WINDS UP TO FOUR LANES THROUGH THIS SECTION.
UM, SO THAT WAS IN THEIR TIA IT WORKS WITH AND WITHOUT IT AS FAR AS LEVEL SERVICE GOES.
UM, IT JUST WORKS BETTER WITH THE ACCELERATION LANE.
AND SO THAT'S ONE THAT YOU'D HAVE TO WORK WITH DOT THOSE DEVELOPMENTS WOULD WORK WITH DOT ON, UH, IF THEY WERE TO BE ALLOWED OR NOT.
BUT WE SHOWED IT'S WORKING PRETTY WELL AND MORGAN WITH THEIR ACCESS POINTS.
AND, AND MORGAN'S ACCESS POINTS THROUGH ANYTHING IN THAT SECTION.
UM, WE, WE ARE GONNA HAVE THIS IN THE PLAN BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN OUR STUDY AREA.
UH, MORGAN TRACKED TO GET TO THE COST OF THIS, IT'S ABOUT ANOTHER SIX AND A HALF EXCLUSIVE OF 2 78.
SO IT DOES NOT INCLUDE 2 78 WIDENING.
SO THOSE THREE DEVELOPMENTS RIGHT NOW
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ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY ON THIS LIKE A COST SHARING AGREEMENT.BASICALLY 15 MILLION, UM, OVER ABOUT SIX AND A HALF IS OUR ESTIMATE.
NOW THEY MAY MAY GO GET ANOTHER ESTIMATE BECAUSE THIS IS COMING FROM BID PRICING THROUGH DOT.
SO IF THEY GO TO A CONTRACTOR THAT THEY CAN GET MUCH MORE OF A CONCRETE COST.
WHEREAS OUR IS IS JUST USING BID ESTIMATES AND MUCH LESS LINE ITEMS THAN A CONTRACTOR WOULD USE.
UH, THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER TO SHARE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM.
THREE, THREE RIGHT NOW WEST SERGEANT, SOUTH POINT MORGAN TRACT ARE WORKING.
I DON'T THINK ANYTHING'S BEEN SIGNED BUT THEY ARE WORKING TOGETHER, WORKING ON IT.
UM, AND I WILL SAY TOO, UH, JENNIFER'S IN THE ROOM.
UH, WE WORKED AT LOOKING AT CONSOLIDATING.
SO MORGAN TRACT HAS, UH, SIGNALIZE ACCESS ON 2 78 BETWEEN LATITUDES AND JOHN SMITH.
AND THAT SIGNAL IS CRITICAL AS WELL.
SO THAT'S ONE THAT'S CRITICAL.
SO WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE ROAD A WORK WITH THE REALIGNMENT OVER.
'CAUSE IF QUEUING, JENNIFER DID SOME MODELING THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE THEIR ACCESS TO A SPINE ROAD, 'CAUSE THEIR SPINE ROAD CONNECTS 2 78 OVER TO 46 AS WELL THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS, IT'LL BE IN OUR FINAL REPORT OF THAT, THAT LOCATION OF THE SIGNAL.
AND WE DO RECOMMEND THAT ONE TO STAY IN TO THEIR, THEIR REPORT AS A NEW ACCESS POINT ALONG 2 78 THAT WE BRICK YARD.
WHAT'S THAT? YOU'RE TALKING BRICK YARD? NO, IT'S ON, IT'S, IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO BRICK YARD, BUT IT CREATES THE NEW LEG SPINE ROAD 2 78 JUST OFF.
SO JUST OFF SCREEN HERE, KIND OF WHERE LIKE OVER IN THIS AREA IS WHERE THEIR SIGNAL HAS ACCESS WOULD BE, AND THERE'S NO CURRENT CONNECTION NORTH OVER TO BRICKYARD, BUT THERE MIGHT BE ONE COMING IN THE FUTURE WITH IT.
SO A LIGHT, UH, A HOSPITAL AROUND.
A LIGHT VALUE WON'T NEED AN ACCELERATION LANE.
'CAUSE THE TRAFFIC'S ALL GONNA ONLY BE GOING 35 MILES AN HOUR.
SO THAT MANY LIGHTS ALONG THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU PUT THE MORE LIGHTS IN IT'S MIGHT HELP.
30 FIVES NOT BAD CRASH SEVERITY GOES DOWN A LITTLE BIT IF YOU'RE COMING TO WORK IT'S 35, 30 FIVES A GOOD NUMBER.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS THAT, THIS IS THAT LONG TERM PLAN OF IF NOTHING CHANGES, IF NO OTHER CONNECTIVITY HAPPEN, IF THESE DEVELOPMENTS OCCUR, LIKE PROJECTED, WE HAVE THESE DISPLACED LEFT TURNS.
SO THIS IS A CADILLAC OF AN INTERSECTION, BUT IT GIVES US A REALLY GOOD LEVEL SURFACE.
SO IT'S UM, YOU KEEP YOUR SIGNAL HERE, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING LEFT UNDER ROAD A OR UM, JOHN SMITH ROAD TO THE NORTH, YOU ACTUALLY COME THIS WAY.
YOU CROSS, UM, THIS DIRECTION TO 2 78 AND YOU THEN, SO IT'S BASICALLY SPLITTING THE INTERSECTION UP INTO THESE MINI INTERSECTIONS THAT KIND OF DISPERSES THE DELAY ALL OVER.
SO THIS IS A, A VERY, UH, GOOD OPTION FROM LEVEL OF SERVICE.
IT'S A TERRIBLE OPTION FROM RIGHT OF WAY WITH, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY BIG INTERSECTION.
UM, IT WOULD TAKE RIGHT OF WAY FROM MORGAN TRACKS.
IT WOULD HEAVILY IMPACT THE, THE NEW LOGGING FACILITY THERE.
SO LIKE THIS IS MUCH MORE OF A, A PIE IN THE SKY ALTERNATIVE.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT IF I GO BACK TO SHORT TERM THAT IF A BLUFFTON PARKWAY EXTENSION WERE TO OCCUR OR WE GET THAT FRONTAGE ROAD THAT GOES FROM THE MINTO PROPERTY ALL OVER, WE CAN SALVAGE THIS INTERSECTION BECAUSE THE F WE GET, IF WE DON'T HAVE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE A F IT'S STILL AN F WE DON'T WANT FS, WE'RE TRYING TO STEER CLEAR OF FS, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE THIS HORRIBLE THING.
SO THIS OPTION IS SOMETHING THAT COULD FIX, UM, COULD FIX IT.
BUT THIS COMES WITH A WHOLE NOTHER SET OF RIGHT OF WAY ISSUES.
I'M GOING TO VERY MUCH BE HONEST AND SAY THIS ISN'T A VERY REALISTIC OPTION WITHOUT VERY, VERY SUBSTANTIAL RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE FROM UM, LEVEL SERVICE.
BLUFFTON PARKWAY EXTENSION IS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.
DID THAT WELL, I I I WAS GONNA ASK THAT QUESTION TOO, STEVE.
I DON'T, YOU REFERENCED IT A COUPLE TIMES.
RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW, 2 78 IS REALISTICALLY THE ONLY OPTION OF GETTING TO I 95 IF YOU'RE LIVING IN THAT SUN CITY AREA OR ALONG THAT ONE 70 CORRIDOR.
SO WHAT THE BLUFFTON, THE GOAL OF THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY IS A SOUTHERN CONNECTION, UM, OVER TO THE NEW EXIT THREE.
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HE HAS A DIFFERENT PLAN.I HAVE A DIFFERENT PLAN THAN GOING THROUGH THE CONTRACT THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE COG ON.
YOU GOT A WAY TO GET ACROSS THAT, UH, NEW RIVER THAT, THAT'S PART OF, THAT'S PART OF THE LOW CO UH, TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THAT WHOLE CAR OF THREE 15.
SO WE'RE BASICALLY, I CAN PULL IT UP ACTUALLY.
YOU DON'T, NO, YOU DON'T NEED TO.
I, I, I JUST HAVEN'T BEEN INFORMED OF IT AT THIS TIME.
SO BRICKYARD IS OUR, OUR LEAST COMPLEX, BUT THIS IS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RIDE IN RIGHT OUT.
SO, UM, JUST COMING IN AND CONVERTING THAT EXISTING INTERSECTION TO RIDE IN RIGHT OUT, UM, WITH THAT DIESEL LANE THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED.
UH, JUST KNOW, ACCELERATION ON, WE'LL SAY TOO THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON, IT'S JUST THAT THE VOLUME WE HAVE ON 2 78 THAT THESE SIDE STREETS, UM, DO OPERATE AT A LEVEL SERVICE F BUT ONCE AGAIN, IT'S OUR, WE HAVE TO SOMETIMES TAKE THESE LEVEL SERVICE FS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT THAT IT'S NOT, IF WE HAD A LEFT TURN ALLOWED OUTTA HERE, YOU WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO MAKE YOUR LEFT THIS BEING UNSIGNED, UM, ON THE MORGAN TRACK SIDE THERE.
AND THAT, THAT HOPEFULLY WILL CONNECT TO A, A, A SPINE ROAD OR SERVICE ROAD.
THE SPINE ROAD'S GONNA BE OVER MORE LEFT OFF THE SCREEN.
SO THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THEIR SPINE ROAD PLAN, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SAYING THEIR, THEIR TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UM, IS, IS OFF THE SCREEN HERE.
WHERE WILL THAT ROAD THEN CONNECT ON THE MORGAN TRACK SIDE? THIS SIDE OVER HERE? UH, IT IS JUST AN INTERNAL ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
YOU LOOKING AT THE FAR EASTER ONE, RICK? THAT, THAT'S OUR FIRST ENTRY POINT INTO THE FIRST TWO PHASES OF WELL, OKAY.
IT'S JUST STRICTLY AND WELL, IT COMES IN AND IT WILL TIE BACK INTO THE, THE SPINE EVENTUALLY.
A LOT OF THIS IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT TEX'S WORKING ON, WHICH IS AWESOME.
UM, SO THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SHORT, SHORT TERM, BUT DUAL LEFTS, UH, GOING ON TOWARDS HILTON HEAD LAKES DUAL LEFTS FROM, UH, 2 78 DOWN INTO, UH, MARGARITAVILLE.
SO THERE ARE SOME MODIFICATIONS THAT WERE PLANNED WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE CAR TRACK OF, UM, DUAL LEFTS, UH, THROUGH AND DUAL RIGHTS COMING OFF OF THAT SIDE STREET.
AND THEY DO HAVE WIDTH IN THEIR BRIDGE FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO, SO THAT WAS ALREADY VETTED THROUGH.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE ULTIMATE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE CAR TRACK.
AND THEN OUR LONGER TERM, UM, IS, WAS NOT POPULAR LAST TIME.
I DON'T THINK IT'D BE POPULAR AGAIN THIS TIME, BUT IT'S, WHAT CAN WORK, UM, IS JUST TO DISALLOW THE THROUGHS GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN HILTON HEAD LAKES AND LATITUDES.
SO, UH, IT'S CALLED A THROUGH CUT.
AND SO WHAT WE DO KNOW IN THAT IS, I MENTIONED IT EARLIER WITH MARGARITAVILLE, WE KNOW THERE'S NO GOLF COURSES DOWN THERE.
YOU HAVE THE GOLF COURSES OUT IN HEAD LAKE.
SO WE KNOW PEOPLE ARE MAKING THAT THROUGH MOVEMENT RIGHT NOW.
IN THOSE PEAK HOURS IT WAS RELATIVELY LOW.
SO THIS IS A PEAK HOUR FIX, BUT IF WE LOOK AT THE FULL DAY, THIS LIKELY ISN'T GONNA BE NEEDED, BUT IT'S AN OPTION FOR THOSE PEAK HOUR CONDITIONS TO, TO GET THE LEVEL SERVICE A'S OR B'S.
UM, BUT ONCE AGAIN, IF THINGS DON'T OCCUR AS WE HAVE, THE SHORT TERM OPTIONS ARE GONNA BE GREAT.
AND IF WE WERE TO DO A THROUGH CUT, WE WOULD VERY MUCH SO BE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE CONNECTIONS.
SO IS IT LIKE SUN CITY HAS NOW, IS THERE A GOLF CART BRIDGE THAT GOES ACROSS 2 78? WHO KNOWS SOME TYPE OF, OF, OF SOMETHING TO GO ACROSS TO MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS? UM, I'M SURE BENTO WOULD LOVE TO PUT A BRIDGE OVER THERE.
I CAN JUST SAY IF YOU LIMIT ACCESS ACROSS HILTON HEADACHES, WE HAVE, WE DON'T GET ANYTHING OUT OF MINTO.
SO WE HAVE TO GET A PASSPORT STAMPED AT THE GATE IN ORDER TO GET IN THERE.
SO YOU'RE ALL, YOU'RE ON MY YOU'RE ON MY LIST.
THEY, YOU KNOW, I, I SEE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S, IT'S ALL ABOUT PHASING FOR THE SIGNAL.
BUT HOW WILL PEOPLE ACCESS THAT? I AGREE.
GOLF CART ACCESS ACROSS THE ROAD IS NOT FEASIBLE.
BUT I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA, IF I WANT TO GO OVER TO VAL'S HOUSE OR SOMEPLACE OVER THERE, I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO OUT AND TURN A LEFT OR RIGHT GO DOWN AND U-TURN, COME BACK, MAKE A U-TURN, WHICH IS NOT THE MOST SAFE THING IN THE WORLD EITHER.
I I I ALSO, THERE'S ANOTHER ELEMENT, IF WE DO PASS THE SALES TAX REFERENDUM AND THE WIDENING OF 2 78 EVENTUALLY HAPPENS, DYLAN MAYBE CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
THEY'RE GONNA CUT THE MEDIA IN THE WOUND.
THERE MIGHT BE SECTIONS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO KIND OF WIDEN OUT 2 78.
IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT THOSE LIKE
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SECTIONS ARE.SO THIS ONE WHERE WE HAVE THE DUAL LEFTS, THOSE DUAL LEFTS ARE GONNA CUT INTO THE MEDIAN, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND SO THEN WE MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT, UM, ASYMMETRIC OR SYMMETRIC WIDE ON 2 78 IN THIS SECTION.
OTHER SECTIONS IS CUTTING INTO, PROBABLY GONNA CUT INTO THE MEDIAN AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.
SO THE REASON I ASKED THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE IF YOU NOW CREATE THESE, YOU KNOW, MEDIAN CUT TURN U-TURNS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE WIDTH OF THE NO, YOU WON'T.
THE MEDIAN THAT YOU HAVE TODAY.
SO THAT'S GONNA MAKE THOSE, SO I GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THE TURN EVEN WORSE.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SO BUT THE FIRETRUCK, IT CAN COME ACROSS IT DOESN'T IT? IT HAS THE RIGHT TO GO BACK FORTH
THAT'S A HALF HOUR TO GET THE TRAFFIC AND STUFF.
I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I, I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH IT, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, AND THEN THIS GETS US INTO TO AR.
UM, SO THIS CAN GET US LEVEL OF SERVICE A AND B.
SO WE HAVE THE WIDENING OF 2 78.
WE'RE ALSO GETTING INTO THE OTHER BIG PROJECT EXCLUSIVE.
THIS IS THE WIDENING OF AR, RIGHT? SO WE WILL NEED THE DUAL LEFT, UM, COMING FROM HARDY, UH, TOWARDS BLUFFTON.
BUT TO DO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT RECEIVING LANE.
SO YOU HAVE TO WIDEN TO RECEIVE THAT LANE JUST LIKE WE DID AT JOHN SMITH.
SO, UH, WIDENING TO GO BACK UP THIS WAY.
AND THEN THE NEED FOR DUAL UH, RIGHT TURNS.
'CAUSE THOSE, THOSE TURNS, NOW THAT HAS TO BE ONE OF THE HEAVIEST RIGHT TURNS IN THE STATE.
LIKE IT IS INSANE, UH, THAT'S THERE NOW.
UM, SO REALLY YOUR BIG MOVEMENT OF TURNING IS THIS LEFT AND RIGHT HERE.
SO DUAL, LEFT DUAL RIGHTS, UM, THE SAFETY PROJECT, I CAN'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
THEY MIGHT BE DOING AN ADDITIONAL RIGHT TURN LANE.
UM, ARE DALTON'S SHAKING HIS HEAD? SO I THINK THEY ARE.
SO, UM, THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT, THE DUAL RIGHTS OFF OF ARJUN AUTONATION.
I SEE ONLY ONE ACCESS POINT FOR THE FOLKS.
HAVE THEY EVEN BEEN MADE AWARE OF THIS? AND I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM THEIR POINT OF VIEW.
MY CUSTOMER COMES IN THERE AND HE WANTS TO LEAVE AND HE WANTS TO GO BACK EAST.
OR HE IS GONNA GO INTO HILTON HEAD LAKES.
THAT, THAT DOESN'T SEEM REAL, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH REALISTICALLY AND I WITH THEIRS.
YOU KNOW, THAT ACCESS THAT THEY HAVE OVER ON AR IS A MESS RIGHT NOW.
BUT IF, IF, IF I WAS A PRESIDENT OF AUTONATION AND YOU SHOWED ME THIS, I'D PROBABLY BE THROWING YOU OUTTA MY OFFICE BECAUSE THAT WOULD IMPEDE MY BUSINESS TO IMMENSELY AND IT WOULD MAKE IT A DANGEROUS SITUATION.
I WOULD ARGUE THE SAME THAT KEEPING IT FULL MOVEMENT, HAVING LEFT TURN ACROSS SIX LANES WOULD BE PRETTY DANGEROUS TO YOU.
AND SO I I KNOW, I KNOW I I I KNOW EXACTLY YOUR POINT.
SO WHEN WE PUT THESE TOGETHER, WE, WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE ONE ONE SIZE FITS ALL OF THIS.
UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT IN MODIFYING IS WHAT'S CALLED AN R CUT.
SO WE CAN ALLOW YOU TO TURN LEFT IN HERE.
WE STILL, THAT LEFT OUT UNSIGNED JUST ISN'T GONNA UNDER UNDERSTAND.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S ME AND THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE THERE BECAUSE IT JUST TO, TO, TO SEE IF WE GET THAT STEVE, THEY HAVE INTERIOR ROADS.
THIS SIDE DOES, THIS SIDE DOES NOT THAT THAT DOESN'T, UM, THEY HAVE INTERIOR ROADS, BUT IT WILL NOT EXIT BACK OUT ONTO ARJUN BOULEVARD.
IT'LL COME UP HERE TO ARGENT TO TIE IN RIGHT UP HERE TO, THEY'RE GONNA KEEP, YOU'RE GONNA KEEP THAT INTERSECTION THERE FOR THEM TO GO IN AND OUT.
SO YEAH, SO RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT OFF OF 2 78.
NOW THIS SIDE, THIS DEALER, UM, LOOKS LIKE GOT A PRETTY BIG DELIVERY THAT DAY.
UM, UH, IT'S A LOT OF CARS ON THAT LOT.
UM, UH, THIS DEALER, UNLESS SOMETHING WAS TO, TO CONNECT, IT'S REALLY WET DOWN HERE, BUT IF YOU'RE ABLE TO CONNECT OVER, THERE'S THE SIGNAL THAT'S AT WALMART.
THE COUNTY'S CURRENTLY WORKING TO MOVE THAT OVER TO, UH, NEW RIVER PARKWAY.
UM, AND SO WHEN WE GET TO OUR LONG TERM OF AR, IT IS, UH, NOT ALLOWING THE LEFT OUT.
SO NO MORE LEFT TURNS FROM, UH, AR ON THE 2 78 BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE THAT CONNECTIVITY OVER TO NEW RIVER PARKWAY.
UM, ULTIMATELY THE VOLUMES THAT WE HAVE HERE, UH, NEW RIVER PARKWAY IS A PRIVATE ROAD, ISN'T IT? THAT THAT'S ALL GETTING KIND OF VETTED RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE COUNTY'S WORKING WITH AECOM ON
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SOME PROJECTS OF MOVING THE SIGNAL THAT'S AT THE WALMART NOW, UH, AND OVER TO NEW RIVER.AND HONESTLY, FROM A CONNECTIVITY PIECE THAT MAKES A TON OF SENSE.
NOW IT'S JUST THE GETTING IT TO WORK PIECE IS THE NEXT, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING THE DESIGNS FOR IT AND, AND GONNA GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
UM, ULTIMATELY WHAT WHAT'S KIND OF NEEDED HERE BASED OFF OF OUR LEFT TURN VOLUMES AND OUR RIGHT TURN VOLUMES, IF WE COULD GRADE SEPARATE, RIGHT? SO IF WE TOOK THE 2 78 LEFTS OVER 2 78, SO IMAGINE A BRIDGE KIND OF COMING LIKE THIS WAY AND OVER AND TYING IT BACK IN, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT VOLUME WISE.
SO THE ISSUE IS WE WOULD JUST MOVE ALL THAT FREE FLOW TRAFFIC TO AR AND NEW RIVER AND THEN THAT GETS GUMMED UP AND STARTS QUEUING BACK THIS WAY.
AND SO THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHY WE'RE KEEPING THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL HERE, IS TO PROVIDE THOSE BREAKS IN BETWEEN THE TWO INTERSECTIONS SO WE CAN GET SOME TYPE OF OF MOVEMENTS BETWEEN THEM.
THE COUNTY WANTS TO MOVE THE LIGHT TO THE EAST RIVER PARKWAY, RIGHT? YEP.
WILL THERE CONTINUE TO BE THE ROAD THERE COMING OUT OF WALMART? I BELIEVE THEY'LL HAVE IT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT PLAN BECAUSE RIGHT NOW MM-HMM,
NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT ROAD.
ALL THOSE PEOPLE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO DOWN THE NEW RIVER, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THE RIGHT, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING OUT OF WALMART, CVS, PUBLIX USING THAT ROAD AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT OF AN INTERSECTION WITHOUT A LIGHT.
THE MEDIA, IT'LL BE SOME TYPE OF, IT'LL PROBABLY CLOSE THE MEDIAN.
IT'LL MOST LIKELY BE LIMITED ACCESS.
SO LIKE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THEY'LL CLOSE THE MEDIAN HERE.
YEAH, THEY'LL CLOSE THE MEDIAN END.
SO IT'D BE RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT OR, UH, R CUT THREE QUARTER TURN LEFTOVER, WHATEVER TERM YOU WANT TO USE FOR.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.
I LIKE THEY WOULD HAVE, THEY'D HAVE TO, I THAT'S WHAT'S WHY ASKED, CAN YOU BRING ME ROAD? WHAT, WHAT YEAR IS THIS PROJECTED IN? 2045.
THE MAYBE I WILL BE DRIVING AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA WANT ME DRIVING BY.
YEAH, THAT'S THE 35 MILE HOUR.
SO ROUND SCOOTER GOES THAT FAST.
SO THE NEXT PART I WANNA GET INTO IS WHAT I'VE MENTIONED A FEW TIMES OF WORKING WITH WEST AR, SOUTH POINT AND MORGAN TRACK ON JOHN SMITH ROAD IN 2 78.
UM, LIKE I SAID, TO START, UH, ALL THREE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BEEN GREAT PARTNERS, UH, WITH THE CITY OF HARVILLE ON THIS TO PROVIDE DATA SO THAT, UM, DALTON AND MYSELF CAN DO A LOT OF, A LOT OF DATA CRUNCHING.
SO THIS IS WHAT WEST'S LOOKING LIKE AT FULL BUILD OUT.
SO AT THEIR FULL BUILD OUT FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, UM, ABOUT 20,000 DAILY TRIPS, 1300 HAM TRIPS.
I'M GONNA ROUND THAT UP TO 1700 PM TRIPS.
SO VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT TRIP VOLUMES GOING THROUGH.
AND I'LL SAY THESE, THESE ARE TOTALS.
SO THIS IS IN INS AND OUTS TOGETHER, UM, FROM THEIR TRIP GEN, UH, SOUTH POINT, UH, ABOUT 42,000 DAILY TRIPS, UM, 19.
SO 1200 AM TRIPS AND JUST ABOUT 2000 PM TRIPS, UM, TOTAL.
UH, AND THEN MORGAN TRACKED PROVIDED US THEIR TOTALS ARE AM AND PM SO 3000 AM TRIPS AND 4,000 PM TRIPS.
MORGAN TRACKED IS CONNECTING TO BOTH 46 AND 2 78.
SO NOT ALL OF THAT VOLUME GOES ON TO, UM, LIKE JOHN SMITH 2 78.
THAT'S, IT'S ONLY A PORTION OF IT.
UM, SO WHAT WE DID WAS, SO WE TOOK THEIR TRIP GENS, THEY ALL GAVE US THEIR TRIP ASSIGNMENTS.
UM, AND SO OUR NEXT SLIDE IS TELLING US WHAT THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS ARE AT 2 78 AND JOHN SMITH.
SO, UM, WEST AR IS ABOUT 36.5% OF THE VOLUMES OF THE NEW VOLUMES.
SO THIS IS KIND OF EXCLUDING ANY BACKGROUND TRAFFIC.
THIS IS JUST FOR THESE THREE DEVELOPMENTS AND WHAT THEIR IMPACTS ARE TO THE INTERSECTIONS.
SO WEST AR 36 POINT A HALF AND THIS IS BETWEEN THE A AND PMP TOWERS TOGETHER.
UM, SOUTH POINT 27% AND MORGAN TRACK TRACK 36.5%.
UH, THAT'S WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
OBVIOUSLY THESE PERCENTAGES WOULD CHANGE, BUT FROM THE DATA WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO, UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S, I MEAN THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME 6.5% TO MOVE EACH WAY.
IT'S ABOUT A THIRD, A THIRD, A THIRD, UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING BETWEEN THOSE, THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
AND SO WHAT THE CURRENT ASK HAS
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BEEN FROM, FROM HARDY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE MEMOS HAVE BEEN SENT OVER TO THOSE DEVELOPMENTS AND KNOW SOME OF 'EM OVER HERE TODAY, SO THEY COULD TELL US IS, IS THERE'S THIS, THERE WAS AN ASK INITIALLY, HEY HARDY, CAN YOU CONTRIBUTE TO, TO SOME OF THE DESIGN? REALLY HARDY'S CONTRIBUTION COMES THROUGH THE WIDENING 2 78.SO, SO THESE ARE FOR THE LAND IMPROVEMENTS, THIS IS FOR THE DESIGN OF THESE SHORT TERMS. SO THE DUAL LEFTS, THE RECEIVING LANES ON JOHN SMITH AND JOHN SMITH IMPROVEMENTS.
AND SO ALL THREE OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE NOW WORKING SIMULTANEOUSLY TO MAYBE PUT MONEY INTO A POT TO DO THIS ALL AT ONCE BECAUSE SOUTH POINT WAS KIND OF FIRST AND THEN MORGAN TRACK WAS BUILDING OFF OF, OF SOUTH POINT.
BUT IF SOMETHING CHANGES WITH SOUTH POINT AND THEN MORGAN TRACK COMES IN, THE MORGAN TRACK'S GONNA HAVE TO PICK UP WHAT SOUTH POINT DIDN'T DO.
AND SO IT'S THIS KIND OF ROUND TABLE OF, YOU KNOW, WHO GOES FIRST, WHO DOES THIS? SO I THINK THEY'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER, UH, CURRENTLY ON THAT.
AND SO THAT'S OUR, OUR MOUS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH.
SO KIND OF A LAST BULLET POINT ON THIS IS JUST WORKING TOGETHER FOR THIS AND THE HARDY V CONTRIBUTION COMES THROUGH WITH THE LOCAL MATCH FOR A 2 78 WIDENING WHEN THAT HAPPENS.
'CAUSE WE CAN'T USE THE WORD IF IT, IT IS GOTTA BE A WIN.
SO TWO 70 EIGHT'S GOTTA BE WIDENED, UM, FOR THIS, ALL THE STUFF THAT'S PLANNED IN THE AREA TO WORK.
SOUTH POINT CAME TWO YEARS AGO.
MORGAN AND WEST ARGEN CAME 20 YEARS AGO.
SO YEAH, I THINK CLOSEST TO MAYBE STARTING SOMETHING IS, WELL, WEST ARJUN'S ALREADY BEEN FAIR.
YEAH, WEST ARJUN'S BEEN THERE FOR YEAH.
THE FOLKS WE'RE TALKING TO WITH THIS THAT WE'RE KIND OF NEWER TO THIS.
YEAH, I JUST WANT TO, YEAH, I JUST WANT TO GET EVERYTHING IN ITS PRODUCT THAT'S RESPECT.
UM, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE HAVE.
UM, THE DRAFT REPORT IS IN MY HANDS FOR REVIEW.
DAWN GOT THAT AFTER A LOT OF HARD WORK FOR ME TO REVIEW.
SO I'M GONNA REVIEW THAT, GET SOME COMMENTS, AND THEN WE SHOULD BE CIRCULATING THE DRAFT NEXT WEEK.
UH, IS THE GOAL ON, ON THAT PIECE.
AND SO I THINK THOSE DEVELOPMENT TEAMS WILL ALL HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE AREA.
YOU ALL WILL HAVE IT, UM, TO REVIEW, COMMENT, AND THEN WE CAN FINALIZE IT AND PRESENT IT TO, I GUESS A COUNCIL MEETING FOR FORMAL ADOPTION IS WHAT'S TYPICAL FOR THAT.
SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ON THIS? COULD I GET A, A HARD COPY OF THIS PRESENTATION? I WILL ABS I'LL UM, EMAIL IT TO YOU.
IT'S MUCH EASIER TO SIT AND LOOK AT THAT THAN STARE AT MY SCREEN.
THAT'S ALL ALL HAVE TO SAY IS, AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME CONCERNS OF CERTAIN POINTS AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THAT WE AS A COUNSELOR ARE GONNA HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH, BUT THE WHOLE IDEA THAT A, WE DID THIS B YOU'D TAKEN A A 25, A 20 YEAR HOLISTIC VIEW OF THE AREA IS EXACTLY, I I I COMPLIMENT STAFF AND, AND YOU YEAH.
FOR DOING THIS BECAUSE THIS WAS GREATLY NEEDED.
UM, GETTING DOWN TO THE DAY TODAY AND TRYING TO WORK THROUGH IT, IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT, BUT YOU GOTTA START WITH A, A LONG-TERM VISION AND I THANK YOU.
I MEAN, NOT LIKE WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED TODAY AS FAR AS WHAT I SEE IS THE FUTURE, BUT YOU HAVE DONE A LOT OF HARD WORK, YOU AND STAFF BOTH TO GET US TO THIS POINT.
THE HARD WORKS NOW HOW DO WE MAKE IT WORK? THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT NOW.
I MEAN THIS WAS AN EYE NO MONEY, NO HONEY.
VERY MUCH AN EYE OPENER AND BUT VAL, THE THING IS, IS WHETHER, WHETHER WE HAVE THE MONEY OR NOT, IT'S, I COULD GO SOMEWHERE WITH THAT.
SORRY, THIS IS COMING HALF IT'S COMING.
I MEAN, EVEN WITHOUT THE YEAH, YEAH.
OUR DEVELOPMENT TWO 70 EIGHT'S BUSIER EVERY YEAR.
AND THEN SO THAT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE JASPER COUNTY SIDE IN HARVILLE.
RIGHT? THERE IS STUFF GOING ON IN THE BEAUFORT COUNTY SIDE THAT STILL IMPACTS WHAT WE ARE.
SO I KNOW AT THE END WE FOCUSED ON THREE DEVELOPMENTS AROUND JOHN SMITH, BUT THAT'S ONLY ONE PIECE TO THE OVERALL PUZZLE.
ONE THING, DO WE CONSIDER THE LIGHT AT MARGARITAVILLE AND HILTON HEAD LAKES IS CONTROLLED BY BEAUFORT COUNTY? THAT'S RIGHT.
WILL THE LIGHT AT ARGENT EVENTUALLY BE CONTROLLED BY THEM? AND THE ONE AT NEW RIVER, MORE THAN LIKELY COUNTY HAS CONTROLLED THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF 2 78, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THEY WILL GO ALL THE WAY TO THE 17 QUARTER.
THEY MOST LIKELY WOULD PROBABLY.
I WOULD IMAGINE THEY, THEY WILL, THEY MAINTAIN IT.
WE BETTER BE NICE TO THEM THEN.
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A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.I MEAN, WHEN WE CALL 'EM AND WE HAVE ISSUES, THEY, THEY'RE RESPONSIVE.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE UM, TO WHAT DYLAN SAID IN THEIR SALES TAX REFERENDUM, THEY PICK UP 2 78 AND THE REST OF THE TRIANGLE AT THE COUNTY LINE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE JASPER COUNTY LINE.
THEY'RE PICKING IT UP AND, AND FROM THERE ON ONE 70, ALL THE WAY FROM 4 62 ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THE COUNTY LINE HERE IS IN THEIR SALES TAX REFER.
DYLAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT TO BRING US NEXT WEEK AT THE WORKSHOP.
YEAH, WE LOOKED AT THAT STUFF.
AND MAYOR, I DID ALSO WANTED TO ECHO WHAT DYLAN SAID A COUPLE TIMES.
REALLY, IT'S KIND OF RARE THAT SOMETIMES TRAFFIC ENGINEERS ARE AS FREE WITH THEIR INFORMATION WITH OTHERS.
AND ALL, ALL THREE OF THESE FOLKS, UH, I MEAN JENNIFER, UM, THOMAS AND HUTTON FOLKS AND ALSO, UH, KAILIN AND ACCESS, UM, THEY WERE ALL VERY COLLABORATIVE AND, AND REALLY I DON'T THINK WE'D HAVE THE PRODUCTS WE DO IF IT WASN'T FOR THEM.
SO, I MEAN, REALLY KUDOS TO THEM.
'CAUSE EVERYBODY REALIZES IF WE WANT TO GET WHERE WE NEED TO BE, WE'VE GOTTA, WE GOTTA BE ON THE SAME PAGE AND COMMUNICATE.
BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS, DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN.
NO, IT'S, AND I RECOGNIZE, UH, LISTEN, I, SINCE THE DAY I CAME HERE, I'VE BEEN PRO GROWTH.
AND, AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THE, THE PROPERTY OF LANDOWNERS AND, AND, UH, BUT AGAIN, AND IT'S BEEN SAID HERE MANY TIMES, WE DON'T WORK FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE WORK FOR THE CITIZENS AND, YOU KNOW, TRIES TO BALANCE, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT OF THE LANDOWNER AND THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC.
IT, IT, IT'S TOUGH AND, AND WHAT WE COME UP WITH MAY NOT ALWAYS MAKE THE DEVELOPERS HAPPY.
AND, AND THAT'S TRY TO, YOU KNOW, WORK TOGETHER ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S GONNA, WE'RE WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING FIX THE ROADS, FIX THE INFRASTRUCTURE BEFORE YOU APPROVE ANYTHING ELSE.
AND TO A DEGREE, I AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'VE ALREADY GOT 15,000 HOMES MASTER PLAN IN THE PIPELINE.
SO, AND THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE ON ALL FUTURE MASTER PLANS THAT COME UP, NOT JUST FROM ME, BUT KNOWING FROM THE REST OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
AND, UH, I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOTTA BE PATIENT WITH US AND UNDERSTAND THE PRESSURES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE FACED WITH AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, UM, AND DOING IT THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO I KNOW LOOKING AT THE CORNER OF MY EYE, I SEE BRIAN AND KATIE GROWN A COUPLE OF TIMES AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL STAY, EVERYBODY'S GOTTA STAY CIVIL AND, AND UH, TRY TO WORK THROUGH IT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH TIMES FOR YEAH.
WE'RE ASKED TO SPLIT THE BABY MEAN SORT UP DEMOCRACY.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO.
WE TO BALANCE THIS OUT BETWEEN THE RIGHTS OF THE LANDOWNERS AND THE CITIZENS THAT WE HEAR FROM EVERY DAY.
IT'S GONNA BE EXTREMELY TOUGH.
WE HEAR IT NOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M PRO-GROWTH TOO, BUT WE HAVE TO BE SMART ABOUT IT BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT, SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE PAYING A PRICE FOR A LONG TIME.
WELL, ON THAT CHEER, YOU KNOW,
YOUR HARD WORK AND YEAH, OF COURSE.
LISTENING TO, TO US NON-EXPERTS.
AND, UM, BUT IT'S A GOOD STEP INTO GETTING, GETTING IT RIGHT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR ADJOURN.