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IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK SOMEWHERE.[JUNE 20, 2024]
UH, YOU CAN THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING OR THIS AFTERNOON.UH, WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY COUNCILWOMAN VALERIE GUZMAN, PLEASE RISE.
[I. INVOCATION & PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
I PRAY THAT YOU GUIDE US, ALWAYS SATISFY THE NEEDS THAT NEED TO BE MET DURING THIS MEETING.STRENGTHEN US AS WE MAKE HARD DECISIONS.
FATHER, PLEASE GUIDE US SO THAT THIS MEETING CAN BE PRODUCTIVE.
LET US BE EFFECTIVE AND DECISIVE.
UH, BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, UM, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO STAND, UH, AND OBSERVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR, UH, IN HONOR OF THE JASPER COUNTY COUNCILMAN, THE LATE MR. COY GOBI.
I HAD THE PRIVILEGE TO MEET THIS GENTLEMAN, UH, ON MY CAMPAIGN TRAIL, AND HE WAS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE WATER QUALITY IN JASPER COUNTY.
SO, UH, LET'S OBSERVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
I PLEDGE YOUR FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR OUR SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED FOR OUR FREEDOM AND FOR ALL THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO SERVE AROUND THE WORLD PROTECTING OUR WAY OF LIFE.
I'LL NOW CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
[II. CALL TO ORDER]
A CITY OF HARDY, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND PUBLIC HEARING, JUNE 20TH, 2024 AT 5:00 PM 2 0 5 MAIN STREET, HARDY V, SOUTH CAROLINA.UM, OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS, UH, THE ADOPTION OF TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING? MOTION TO APPROVE
[III. ADOPTION OF AGENDA]
THE AGENDA.ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? NO, SIR.
[V. PUBLIC COMMENTS (3 MINUTE TIME LIMIT)]
NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS, UH, THE INTRODUCTION OF GROUNDS AND ROAD TECHNICIAN, MR. BARRY[VI. PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS]
TAYLOR.YOU KNOW WHAT, I, I AM JOHN BROWN, NOT BARRY TAYLOR.
HOWEVER, I'M HERE AND I'M PLEASED TO INTRODUCE OUR NEWEST.
[A. INTRODUCTION OF GROUNDS & ROAD TECHNICIAN BARRY TAYLOR]
YEAH, I THINK IT IS.IS IT? I THINK IT'S, I'LL SPEAK VERY LOUDLY.
WELL, WE, WE NEED YOU TO BE ON, ON FILM.
IS IT WORKING BACK THERE? OH, PLEASE.
JUST A COUPLE THINGS ABOUT HIM.
HE'S A HARDY RESIDENT, ACTUALLY BORN HERE, AND THEN HE WENT AWAY FOR A LOT OF YEARS DOING OTHER THINGS.
UH, HE HAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING EXPERIENCE THAT HE'S BRINGING TO OUR TEAM, WHICH IS VERY WELCOME, AS WELL AS HE'S GOT 26 YEARS OPERATING TRACTOR TRAILERS AND OTHER HEAVY EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS ALSO GONNA BE VERY WELCOME TO WHAT WE DO IN PUBLIC WORKS.
SO WE'RE VERY, VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HIM HERE.
UM, ONE OF THE, UH, INTERESTING THINGS TO NOTE.
I WAS JUST ASKING HIM ABOUT SOME OF HIS, OF HIS PAST AND EVERYTHING.
APPARENTLY THIS BUILDING THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, WHICH HIS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, I FIND THAT INTERESTING.
SO, UH, MAYBE, UH, IF THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ON THAT, YOU CAN ASK HIM THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS.
BUT WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, LET ME INTRODUCE BARRY.
AND AGAIN, UH, ONE, ONE OTHER THING, UH, HE'S A SUPERSTAR.
UH, HE'S BEEN HERE FOR JUST OVER A MONTH AND HAS PERFORMED EXTREMELY WELL.
SO, UH, ANTICIPATE A BUDGET AMENDMENT COMING.
'CAUSE I'LL NEED 10 MORE BERRIES REAL SOON JUST TO MAKE SURE.
TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOURSELF, BARRY, BESIDES THE FACT THAT, UM, YOU WENT TO
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SCHOOL HERE.JOHN WAS HERE WHEN IT WAS BUILT.
UH, THIS WAS MY AUDITORIUM RIGHT HERE.
UM, THE OFFICE, MAIN OFFICE, MR. ROGERS WAS MY PRINCIPAL.
UM, REMEMBER THE BIG OLD TREE OUT FRONT? YEP.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? I THOUGHT YOU WENT TO SCHOOL WITH ABE LINCOLN, RIGHT? HE WAS THE ONE THAT CUT DOWN THE FIRST TREE.
THAT WAS A PLAYGROUND BACK THERE.
IT'S, IT IS CHANGED A WHOLE LOT.
UM, I RIDE THROUGH HERE EVERY DAY, DECIDE TO PUT IN THE APPLICATION, TRY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
AND DO YOU HAVE A FAMILY HERE? HMM? DO YOU HAVE A FAMILY HERE, BARRY? UH, MY SON.
THAT'LL BE BACK FOR THE SUMMER.
ANY, ANYTHING TO SAY TO BARRY? WELCOME TO THE TEAM.
JOHN SPENT THREE, THREE, THE THREE HAPPIEST YEARS OF HIS LIFE IN SECOND GRADE.
JOHN, THIS WAS A FUN, A TWO BRUTE, RIGHT? OH, THIS WAS A FUN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
UM, WAY HOME, RIGHT? YOU'RE TALKING TO BOTH.
NEXT IS THE PROPOSED JASPER COUNTY TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX.
[B. PROPOSED JASPER COUNTY TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX]
UM, LIKE ME TO PRESENT UP THERE OR FROM HERE? UH, WELL, I WOULD JUST TO MAKE IT STAND, BUT NO, WE, YOU CAN DO IT FROM THERE.WELL, THAT WAY I CAN FACE EVERYBODY, AS YOU KNOW.
UM, MONDAY, I ASKED THE ADMINISTRATOR OF JASPER COUNTY TO, UM, LET ME KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE PROPOSED FOR THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX.
I THINK YOU WERE ALL, UH, CC'D ON THAT EMAIL.
UM, I MET WITH HIM AT HIS, UH, REQUEST ON TUESDAY FOR HIM TO EXPLAIN THE, THE REFERENDUM AND, UM, WHAT'S GONNA GO IN IT.
UM, I THEN, UM, ASKED MR. ZIBO TO CHANGE THE AGENDA AND PUT ME ON IT SO THAT I COULD EXPLAIN THAT MEETING AND ALSO THE SUBSEQUENT, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I MADE TO, UH, JASPER COUNTY.
THERE WILL BE A, THE SECOND READING OF THAT ORDINANCE TO, UH, PUT FORTH THAT REFERENDUM ON MONDAY.
AND IT WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SO I WANTED TO LIKE, UH, GIVE THIS TO YOU SO THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY IMPACT, IM, UH, ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO ADD TO MY RECOMMENDATIONS OR EVEN ENDORSE WHAT I'M RECOMMEND TO LET ME KNOW AND EITHER GO YOURSELF UP TO THE MEETING OR LET ME KNOW AND I'LL REPRESENT YOUR THOUGHTS AS WELL.
SO LET ME FIRST GO OVER THE THINGS THAT I QUESTIONED, WHICH WERE ON THE EMAIL.
UM, AND THE, THE MOST, THE ONE THAT REALLY PERPLEXED ME, THE REFERENDUM IS, IS GOING TO CALL FOR 15 YEARS AND IT WILL ADD UP THOSE 15 YEARS.
1% WILL ADD UP TO 470 MILLION.
NOW, MY FIRST QUESTION WAS THE LAST REFERENDUM, WHICH ENDED IN 2022, I THINK COLLECTED SIX.
HOW ARE WE GONNA JUMP FROM SIX TO $32 MILLION A YEAR? I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS POSSIBLE.
UH, AND EXPRESSED THAT OPINION.
UM, ALSO AS I ADDED UP ALL THE PROJECTS LISTED, IT CAME OUT TO $726 MILLION, NOT $476 MILLION.
SO I ASKED HIM, UH, ABOUT THAT.
AND HIS ANSWER WAS THAT THIS WAS THE WISHLIST.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYTHING WOULD GET DONE, BUT THAT, UM, IF, YOU KNOW THERE WAS MONEY, THIS IS WHAT THEY WOULD DO.
UM, THERE I ALSO QUESTIONED, THERE WAS $70 MILLION FOR,
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UH, THE STRETCH OF ONE 70 BETWEEN 4 62 AND 2 78.THIS IS BEAUFORT COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY.
AND THAT MONEY IS ALSO ON THE BEAUFORT COUNTY SALES TAX REFERENDUM THAT THEY PLAN TO DO.
THEY PLAN TO DO, UH, A 10 YEAR, $950 MILLION REFERENDUM.
AND I THINK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THEIR COUNCIL.
UH, THERE WAS $60 MILLION FOR A PORT EXCHANGE, AND THIS WAS JUST, WELL, IF THE PORT EVER COMES UP TO START BUILDING A BANK FOR THAT, UM, THERE WAS $94 MILLION OR 20% OF THE TOTAL FOR THE ACQUISITION OF GREEN SPACE.
I DID NOT QUESTION THAT, BUT I DID QUESTION THE PERCENTAGE.
UM, AND I SENT TO YOU, I JUST GOT FROM MR. FULHAM, A REPORT FROM, UH, THE CONSERVATION PEOPLE, UM, AS TO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN JASPER COUNTY.
SO I JUST FORWARDED THAT TO YOU ABOUT AN HOUR AGO.
SO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND I WILL, UH, HE SET UP A MEETING.
I WILL BE MEETING WITH THE PERSON WHO WROTE THAT, MS. HAN AT THREE O'CLOCK ON MONDAY PRIOR TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, THE, AFTER GETTING AND HAVING THIS CONVERSATION LAST EVENING, I SENT A LIST OF SUGGESTIONS TO ANDY, UH, REGARDING THE INFORMATION THAT I GOT FROM HIM.
AND HE WAS GOING TO PASS IT ON TO HIS COUNSEL.
AND I LEFT IT ALSO TO, UH, JOEY MALICE TO DO WITH IT WHAT HE WILL WITH HIS COUNSEL.
UM, AND MY SUGGESTIONS WERE SO THAT IT'S NOT CONFUSING TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE CUT THE LIST OF PROJECTS DOWN FROM 726 TO THE ACTUAL ANTICIPATED REVENUE OF FOUR 70.
AND I GAVE HIM A LIST OF ITEMS THAT I WOULD CUT FROM THAT IN ORDER TO GET TO FOUR 70, INCLUDING THE ONE, THE 70 MILLION FOR ONE 70, WHICH IS ON BEAUFORT COUNTY'S LIST.
THE, THE $60 MILLION FROM THE PORT, BECAUSE GOD KNOWS WHEN WE'RE GONNA NEED THAT OR IF WE'RE GONNA NEED IT.
UM, THE, AND THE ONE OF THESE OTHER SIGNIFICANT, UH, TOTALS FOR THE GREEN SPACE, RATHER THAN TAKE 20% OF THE TOTAL, TAKE 12% OR 56 MILLION INSTEAD OF 94 MILLION.
UM, ALSO IN THAT REFERENDUM, UH, ORDINANCE IS A PROVISION TO ALLOW FOR $290 MILLION WORTH OF BONDING.
AND WE WERE, UH, I EXPRESSED A CONCERN ABOUT THAT AND, UH, WAS TOLD THAT THEY WOULD ONLY SPEND WHAT THEY COLLECT.
SO IF I'M RIGHT AND THEY ONLY COLLECT SOMETHING LESS THAN 470 MILLION, WE DON'T GO OUT AND BOND IT.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU DON'T GET THE MONEY.
UH, SO, UM, I WAS TOLD THAT, UH, IT WOULD, THEY WOULD ONLY SPEND WHAT THEY GET AS THEY GET IT.
UM, I SUGGESTED THAT BOND THREE PROJECTS TOTALING 115 MILLION, AND DON'T WAIT TILL YOU GET THE MONEY, BOND IT, AND START ON THE PROJECTS RIGHT AWAY.
THE THREE PROJECTS THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO EACH ENTITY, ARGENT BOULEVARD, THE PEOPLE OF HARDY V THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING THEY WANNA SEE CORRECTED.
THAT'S $57 MILLION EXIT 18 AND EXIT 22.
THAT'S THE BIG THINGS THAT RIDGELAND IS, IS CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND THAT'S THE TOTAL OF $48 MILLION.
AND I ADDED IN LEVY ROAD, BECAUSE THOSE ROADS DOWN THERE HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED FOREVER.
AND THAT'S UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY THAT COMES TO $115 MILLION THAT, UH, AND PUT THAT IN THE BONDING.
'CAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS 15 YEARS.
IF WE GIVE A BLANK CHECK TO SOME FUTURE, WHO KNOWS THAT THEY CAN GO OUT AND BOND TWO HUN $90 MILLION IN BONDS, AND THEN THEY DON'T COLLECT IT IN THE SALES TAX.
WHERE'S IT COME FROM? COMES FROM THE PROPERTY TAXES OF THE,
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OF THE TAXPAYERS.UM, SO WE ASKED FOR, UH, DENNIS AKIN ORIGINALLY WAS WITH ME.
WE ASKED FOR A PROVISION THAT STATES THAT IT LIMITS THE SPENDING TO ONLY WHAT THEY COLLECT.
WE WERE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT, OKAY, WHO SETS THE PRIORITIES? AND RATHER THAN LEAVE THAT WITH JUST THE COUNTY, WE ASKED TO PUT IN THE REFERENDUM A COMMITTEE BEING REPRESENTED, ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM HARDY, ONE FROM RIDGELAND, AND ONE FROM JASPER COUNTY.
AND THAT COMMITTEE WOULD RECOMMEND THE PRIORITIES TO THE, AS THOSE MONIES COME IN AND, AND THAT SPENDING BECOMES, UH, AVAILABLE.
UM, THE, THE, ALSO IN THE LAST THING THAT I RECOMMENDED, I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD IS GOING TO FLOAT ALSO ON 1% SALES, UH, REFERENDUM.
IF 470 MILLION IS THE RIGHT NUMBER, WHAT'S THE SCHOOL GONNA DO WITH $470 MILLION? THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
UM, NUMBER TWO, MY CONCERN IS THAT BY TRYING TO ASK THE PUBLIC FOR 2%, YOU'RE GONNA END UP, THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO SPLIT THE VOTE AND END UP VOTING FOR NOTHING.
AND THAT IT IS MY RECOMMENDATION THAT THE COUNTY AND EVERYBODY RECOMMEND TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.
AND I DID RECOMMEND THIS TO DR. ANDERSON A MONTH AGO, THAT THEY DO NOT ASK FOR THIS THIS YEAR.
AND I THINK IT IS A POLITICAL MISTAKE AND TOO MUCH FOR THE PUBLIC TO ACCEPT A 2% TAX SALES TAX INCREASE.
AND THAT WOULD NOT BE, BECAUSE I THINK THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS TO GET THE TRANSPORTATION, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T PASS THAT, OUR ROADS WILL NOT GET FIXED.
SO, UH, THAT IS MY OPINION, OF COURSE, IN MY OPINION ONLY.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHY I PUT IN A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE SHOULD COLLECTIVELY DISCOURAGE THE SCHOOL BOARD FROM FLOATING A REFERENDUM THIS YEAR.
UM, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON ALL THESE, INCLUDING MY RECOMMENDATIONS ON MONDAY, UM, AT SIX 30, UH, AT, YOU KNOW, AT THE COUNTY COUNCIL.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS, ANY ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, ANY DISAGREEMENTS WITH WHAT I'VE SAID THAT, UH, YOU DO SO BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY.
AND LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO REPRESENT YOUR OPINIONS OR YOU ARE HAPPY TO COME.
AND, UH, IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING OPEN TO EVERYBODY.
'CAUSE I WILL SPEAK, BUT I WILL ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF, NOT, UH, UH, NOT ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL.
SO, UM, IF NO QUESTIONS, THEN WE GO ON TO THE NEXT PART OF OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS THE PRESENTATION AND APPROVAL OF MINUTES
[VII. PRESENTATION & APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
OF THE JUNE 6TH REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES OF JUNE 6TH? MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF JUNE 6TH.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.
[VIII. OLD BUSINESS]
READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDY V, SOUTH CAROLINA TO AMEND THE CITY MASTER FEE SCHEDULE FOR THE CITY OF HARDY V'S.[A. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO AMEND THE CITY MASTER FEE SCHEDULE FOR THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE FY25 BUDGET]
EVENING.WE'RE RECOMMENDING ADOPTION, UH, AT SECOND READING, WHICH WOULD IMPLEMENT THE NEW, UH, CITY FEE SCHEDULE.
UH, THIS IS SECOND READING AND A LOT OF QUESTIONS WERE ASKED LAST TIME AND, UM, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL TRY 'EM AGAIN.
UH, LET'S START WITH MR. MESMAN.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.
THERE'S A LOT OF MOSTLY HOUSEKEEPING.
SO, UH, AT THIS POINT, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
DOES, DOES THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR
[PUBLIC HEARING]
QUESTIONS REGARDING,[00:25:01]
UM, THIS IS ORDINANCE 2024 DASH SIX DASH SIX A.SEEING NOTE TAKERS, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THIS ORDINANCE.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, FEE SCHEDULE FOR THE, UH, COMING YEAR OF THE 25 19 20, UH, EXCUSE ME, 2025 BUDGET.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE.
THIS IS ALSO A SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO THE CITY OF HARDY, SOUTH CAROL, SOUTH CAROLINA, AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION AND SALE OF REAL ESTATE OWNED
[B. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION AND SALE OF REAL ESTATE OWNED BY THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE (2024-6-6B)]
BY THE CITY OF HARDY.THIS IS 2024 DASH SIX DASH SIX B.
MR. ZIBO, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? UH, NO, SIR, THAN WE RECOMMEND ADOPTION, WHICH WOULD SELL 4.53 ACRES OF CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
MR. CARROLL, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.
WE KIND OF VETTED THIS LAST TIME, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
MR. WHITE, NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
MRS. GUZMAN, NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, SIR.
MR. MESMAN, ALL MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED AT THE LAST MEETING.
IT LOOKS LIKE A DARN GOOD DEAL FOR THE CITY.
SO, UM, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
[PUBLIC HEARING]
HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO, UH, THE SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE 2024 DASH SIX DASH SIX B.WE APPROVE 24 DASH SIX DASH SIX B.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE.
[IX. NEW BUSINESS]
THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDY V, SOUTH CAROLINA TO AMEND CHAPTER TWO, ADMINISTRATION OF THE HARDY CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR THE PURPOSES OF AMENDING COUNCIL CO UH, COMPENSATION EXPENSES, AND OTHER RELATED MATTERS.[A. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO AMEND CHAPTER 2, “ADMINISTRATION” OF THE HARDEEVILLE CODE OF ORDINANCES, FOR THE PURPOSE OF AMENDING COUNCIL COMPENSATION, EXPENSES AND OTHER RELATED MATTERS]
DASH SIX DASH 28.UH, SO AS PART OF THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET PREPARATION PROCESS, UH, THE COUNCIL DISCUSSED, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS COMPENSATION.
I THINK WE DID A COMPENSATION SURVEY OF SURROUNDING MUNICIPALITIES.
UH, THE COUNCIL RECOMMENDED, UM, INCREASING THE SALARY FOR THE MAYOR, UH, TO 14,000.
AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS 10,500 IF APPROVED.
THIS WOULD GO INTO EFFECT JANUARY OF, UM, 2025.
AND ALSO SECONDLY, THEN, UM, THE, ALSO IT GIVES THE COUNCIL THE OPPORTUNITY TO OPT INTO THE, UH, HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAM IF, IF, IF SO, IF THEY'RE SO DESIRED.
AND THAT'S ALSO JANUARY 25? YES.
YOU'VE ALREADY, IF I MAY, UM, THE OPTING INTO YOUR INSURANCE, THE, THE CITY ALREADY HAS THIS IN THEIR ORDINANCE.
UM, BUT EOB, THEY WANTED TO HAVE THIS NEW ADDENDUM.
PBA SENT IT, UM, WHERE WE CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE CONSIDERED WHAT THEY CALL ACTIVE EMPLOYEES, WHICH MAKES YOU ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.
UM, SO THIS JUST CONFIRMS THAT SO THAT, THAT EXTRA PROVISION, UM, IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
YOU'RE ACTUALLY ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE NOW IF YOU WANT TO, BUT WE'RE CONFIRMING TO THEM ON THIS NEW ADDENDUM THAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR, THAT THE CITY WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MS. MEANS, UM, WE'LL START THE QUESTIONING WITH MR. MESMAN.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.
MRS. GUZMAN? NO QUESTION, SIR.
I ALREADY GOT HIT WITH THE, IF YOU REMEMBER ABOUT THE PEOPLE WITH THE INSURANCE.
I I KNOW YOU, I KNOW YOU GOT HIT, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, IF I DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE, YOU KNOW, I, I INTRODUCED THIS, UH, AND, BUT I KNOW IT'S STILL NOT GONNA BRING US UP TO MINIMUM WAGE, BUT IT AT LEAST GETS US A LITTLE CLOSER, UM,
SO, UM, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
[PUBLIC HEARING]
THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS[00:30:01]
ORDINANCE? SEEING NONE.I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.
AND THIS IS FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE 2024 DASH SIX DASH 20 A.
MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE 2024 DASH SIX DASH 20 A.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS BY COUNSEL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.
NEXT WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO ADOPT A MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL
[B. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO ADOPT A MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL FOR A TRACT OF LAND CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY +/- 26.6 ACRES, KNOWN GENERALLY AS ENMARKET AT OKATIE CROSSING TO INCLUDE PARCELS 079-00-00-001, 079-00-00-002, AND 079-00-00-003 LOCATED ON N OKATIE HIGHWAY IN THE OKATIE CROSSING PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE TO INDICATE THAT PORTION SUBJECT TO THE MASTER PLAN]
FOR A TRACK OF LAND CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 26.6 ACRES, KNOWN GENERALLY AS END MARKET AT OKIE CROSSING TO INCLUDE PARCELS, UH, OH 1 0 2 AND OH THREE, LOCATED ON NORTH OKEE HIGHWAY IN THE OKEE CROSSING PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.AND TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDY TO INDICATE THAT PORTION SUBJECT TO THE MASTER PLAN, MR. ZIBO, MS. WOODRUFF, PLEASE.
UH, SO YES, THIS IS FOR THE END MARKET CONVENIENCE STORE AND FUTURE COMMERCIAL INITIAL MASTER PLAN, UM, TO BE LOCATED NEAR 4 0 5 NORTH OKIE HIGHWAY, WHICH IS PART OF THE EXISTING OKIE CROSSINGS PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THE, THE REQUEST IS FOR A MASTER PLAN OF 26.6 ACRES.
UM, AND AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE AT OKIE CROSSINGS, PDD WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2008, BUT AMENDED IN 2021.
AND I DO HAVE THE EXISTING CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN THAT IS TIED TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UM, RIGHT HERE.
SO I CAN SHOW YOU THE LOCATION, UM, OF THIS.
UM, THE END MARKET SITE WOULD BE HERE, AND IT KIND OF RUNS BEHIND THESE PARCELS HERE.
IT WILL HELP US MAKE THAT CONNECTION, UM, ON BAYLOR BROOK TO THE OKIE, UM, CROSSINGS DRIVE, THAT WILL BE THE FUTURE CONNECTING ROAD FROM 2 78 TO ONE 70.
THIS IS THE NOBLE VINES, UM, APARTMENT, UM, PROJECT HERE.
AND THIS IS WHERE RESIDE AT OBEE CROSSINGS WAS.
AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S UM, THE THREE BUILDINGS RIGHT HERE THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE PDD, WHICH HAVE OCHSNER HEALTH AND, UM, THE GOLF CART STORE AND PAPA JOHN'S COMING SOON.
THE CURRENT SITE, UM, IS UNDEVELOPED.
UM, IT, THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY, UM, A DEVELOPMENT THERE IN THE PAST.
UM, AND NOW IT IS JUST REMAINING VACANT.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE BAYLOR BROOK WOULD CONNECT THROUGH THIS MASTER PLAN UP TO THAT FUTURE, UM, ROADWAY.
AND THESE ARE THOSE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
BUT THE MASTER PLAN TIES ALL THAT IN.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN THAT'S PROPOSED RIGHT HERE.
AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE AN END MARKET CONVENIENCE STORE WITH A CAR WASH.
UM, AND THEN ANYTHING IN YELLOW HERE, UM, WOULD BE FUTURE COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THE EXISTING OKIE CROSSINGS PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THE KNOWN DEVELOPMENT IS A 4,800 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE CENTER WITH FUEL PUMPS AND A CAR WASH.
AND THAT IS THREE AND A HALF ACRES OF THE PROJECT.
UM, I THINK I TALKED ABOUT MOST OF THIS.
THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, WHICH REQUIRES CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN PARCELS.
THIS IS GOING TO AGAIN, HELP US GET THAT KEY EXTENSION OF BAYLOR BROOK DRIVE AND ALSO HAS INTERNAL CIRCULATION WITHIN THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TO KEEP EVERYBODY OFF OF 2 78 AND ONE 70.
UM, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE ELEMENT AS, UM, IT IS A MIXED USE PDD, WHICH INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL OFFICE, MEDICAL, AND COMMERCIAL USES, UM, BUFFERS, THE PROPOSED BUFFERS, UM, AND THIS MASTER PLAN ARE 30 FEET FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OR 50 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE THROUGH TRAVEL LANE, WHICHEVER IS GREATER.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THAT NO LANDSCAPING BE REQUIRED WITHIN THE BUFFER, UM, AS LONG AS THE SITE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS ARE MET.
HOWEVER, THE PD DD DOES REQUIRE A MINIMUM 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO ONE 70.
UM, SO STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THIS REQUIREMENT REMAIN IN PLACE WITH THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN
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BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AREA AND THE NOBLE VINES MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.UM, THERE IS A 15 FOOT MINIMUM PLANTED BUFFER PROVIDED.
THEY ARE, UM, GOING TO MEET THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT OF 20%, UM, THROUGH THE PDD AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY IS PROPOSED TO THE NOBLE VINES, UM, DEVELOPMENT IN ADDITION TO ODY CROSSINGS DRIVE, WHICH INCLUDES PATHWAYS ALONG THAT FUTURE ROADWAY.
THIS HAS BEEN, UM, HEARD BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THE BUFFER, UM, BE REQUIRED TO CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PDD.
UM, BUT NO OTHER CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN PLACED HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED, UM, TO YOU FOR THIS APPLICATION.
AND I WILL INTRODUCE LAMAR MERCER AT THIS TIME IF HE'D LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING OR, UM, INTRODUCE HIS TEAM.
KATIE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL STAFF.
PLEASURE TO BE BEFORE ALL OF YOU AGAIN.
YOUR SUMMER'S OFF TO A GREAT START.
UH, I AM HERE TONIGHT, UH, ON BEHALF OF AND REPRESENTING OUR CLIENT AND DOUG CARROLL WITH IN MARKET, UM, AS WELL AS SETH IS HERE WITH TRAFFIC AND DESIGN AND WILL WEBB, BUT THOMAS NUTTON IS ALSO HERE TO HELP ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD, UH, ONE THING WE WENT BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE ONE THING WE, WE DO WANNA OFFER UP, AND WE APOLOGIZE THAT THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION IN IT READING THE TEXT AND SECTION THREE B OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT DESIGN STANDARDS.
IT WAS INTENDED TO REFERENCE THE FACT THAT WE WOULD ADHERE TO THE CURRENT PDD REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO THE 10 FOOT BUFFER YARD ALONG ONE 70.
WE ARE OFFERING TO GO BACK AND AMEND THAT TEXT AND CLARIFY THAT AND INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE IN THE FINAL VERSION THAT COMES BEFORE YOU.
SO WE WOULD ASK, I GUESS, TONIGHT ASK THAT YOU PROVE IT CONTINGENT UPON THAT CONCLUSION AND BE GLAD TO HAVE, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR ATTEMPT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE A COUPLE OF, BUT, UH, I PRESUME SO.
WHO'S TURN? I THINK, JOHN, IT'S YOUR TURN.
THAT ONE'S GONNA BE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
SO YOU SAID THAT, UM, AND, AND WE'VE ALWAYS HAD GOOD, UM, GOOD DEALINGS WITH YOU.
IF YOU SAY SOMETHING THEN, YOU KNOW, WE COUNT ON THAT.
SO THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION, MAYOR.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CONCESSION, PUTTING IT BACK.
AND I THINK JOHN'S ECHOED OUR FEELINGS VERY CLEARLY.
IS THAT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S COMING UP? KATIE, THERE WE GO.
HOT BUTTON, RIGHT? THAT ONE OVER THERE.
SO YEAH, THAT'S, IT IS APARTMENTS.
WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THAT, THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND, BUT CAPITAL MARKETS AND THE CHALLENGES LAST YEAR, RAISING CAPITAL THAT HAD HAD BEEN PUT ON HOLD, I WILL SAY, OR 'CAUSE WE'RE INVOLVED IN THAT PROJECT.
UH, FORTUNATELY THAT PROJECT HAS COME BACK TO LIFE AND THERE ARE ONGOING DISCUSSIONS ON PROCEEDING FORWARD WITH THAT.
BUT THAT'S A GREAT POINT TOO, BECAUSE THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED AND IT INCLUDES THE INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION FOR THE LIFT STATION AND THE WATER LANE AND OR WATER MAIN.
AND REALLY OKT CROSSING'S DRIVE UP TO THIS POINT THAT WILL PROVIDE ACCESS FOR END MARKET.
SO IS THAT GONNA BE LIKE A 24 HOUR GAS STATION? I DON'T, YES IT IS.
SO WHAT ABOUT NOISE MITIGATION FOR EVENTUALLY FOR THE APARTMENTS THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT BEHIND? UH, WELL THERE WILL BE A BUFFER YARD OR A FENCE THAT IS PROPOSED FOR SECURITY REALLY FOR, FOR NOBLE VINES.
SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANYTHING AS FAR AS NOISE MITIGATION BEYOND THAT, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
LIKE, I MEAN, THERE'S CONSTANT VEHICLES COMING IN AND OUT AND THEN SOME VEHICLES WILL HAVE, THERE ARE BACKUP, BEEP BEEP, BEEP BEEP KIND OF THING GOING ON KIND OF THING.
THEN YOU HAVE THE LIGHTS, UH, I MEAN A GAS STATION, IF YOU WATCH THE TRAFFIC, I MEAN IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S RIGHT OFF OF ONE 70.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE THING.
IF YOU HAVE APARTMENT BUILDINGS RIGHT BEHIND THE GAS STATION, YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND ALSO THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS MUCH AS DURING THE DAY, BUT AT NIGHTTIME, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, YOU GOT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE FOLKS AFTER CERTAIN TIMEFRAME THEY'RE GONNA BE SLEEPING AND THEY DON'T, WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE ALL KINDS OF TRAFFIC NOISE INVADING THEIR BEDROOMS. RIGHT.
WELL, I WILL SAY THIS IS BACK OF THE BUILDING.
THIS IS FRONT OF BUILDING CAN, UH, CANOPIES, GAS CANOPIES, REALLY THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE SHIELDED FROM A LOT OF THAT NOISE DUE TO THE BUILDING.
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BE FORWARD FACING ONTO ONE 70.OFFER THAT MAYOR, WHAT'S THE DISTANCE? YEAH, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN ANY BUILDINGS HERE AND THE BACK OF THIS MR. CARROLL? YES.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S DISTANCE ENOUGH AND, AND WHAT YOU JUST SAID THAT SHOULD I KNOW THIS IS 30 FEET HERE, SO JUST APPROXIMATING, IT'S PROBABLY AT LEAST 80 FEET TO A HUNDRED FEET BETWEEN THE EDGE OF THE MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE IN THE BACK OF THE IN MARKET STRUCTURE.
SO IT'S ABOUT 80 FEET, YOU THINK 80 TO A HUNDRED FEET.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE TREES AND ALL OF THAT BACK THERE.
THERE WERE ACTUALLY, THERE'LL BE EITHER BUFFET YARD OR REALLY CURRENTLY IS A, THE FENCE.
NOBLE VINES IS GOING TO WANT SECURITY.
UM, ALSO MY OTHER CONCERN IS, I KNOW THIS IS A GAS STATION, SO THERE'S ALWAYS ACCIDENTAL SPILLS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
AND SO WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO TO MITIGATE THAT STORM WATER FROM THOSE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES GETTING INTO THE STORM DRAINS AND CONTAMINATING THE STORM WATER IN, IN THE DRAINS? EXPLAIN.
WELL, THEY ALL HAVE THEIR STORM WATER PROTECTION PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES A, WE HAVE A DETENTION LAGOON IN THIS AREA THAT WILL FILTER CONTAMINANTS, ALLOW, UH, ATION TO DROP TO THE BOTTOM OF THE POND BEFORE IT'S DISCHARGED.
IT DISCHARGES ALONG THIS DITCH SYSTEM ALONG THE NORTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY.
AND, UH, AS FAR AS DROPPING THE TRAFFIC ONTO ONE 70, UH, HOW DO YOU GUYS, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA STEAL THEFT THUNDER, BUT I'LL SURE, SURE.
I'LL JUST POINT, POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, OT CROSSINGS DRIVE IS CONSTRUCTED TO BE BUILT, IT'S TIED IN, IN THE LOCATION IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ONE 70 ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN.
I THINK THE STUDY DID CALL ULTIMATELY FOR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, BUT I'LL LET YOU, I'M SETH STEWART.
UM, WITH TRAFFIC PLANNING AND DESIGN, WE DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THIS LOCATION.
AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT IN MARKET CONTRIBUTES ONLY 4% OF NEW TRAFFIC TO THIS INTERSECTION, TO THE STUDY INTERSECTION.
SO 'CAUSE MOST TRAFFIC WILL BE PASSED BY TRIPS YOU'RE PULLING IN, YOU'RE PULLING OUT, UM, IT IS RECOMMENDED TO BE SIGNALED, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AECOM STUDY DONE IN 2019, WHICH CALLS FOR A DUAL LEFT TURN LANE AND A DUAL RIGHT TURN LANE EXITING, UH, OD CROSSING GOING TO ONE 70.
SO THAT, THAT IS, UH, IN LINE WITH BOTH AECOMS RECOMMENDATION AND S-C-D-O-T.
SO DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO GET A TRAFFIC SIGNAL OVER THERE? BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN STRUGGLING RIGHT, GUYS, TO GET TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND IT'S NOT LIKE YOU FLICK YOUR FINGERS AND A, A SIGNAL APPEARS OVER THERE.
SO IN THE MEANTIME, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THAT PLACE? BECAUSE I SUBSCRIBE TO BEAUFORT NICKEL AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ACCIDENTS HAVE TAKEN PLACE AT COMMERCE PLACE AND OAK CREEK CENTER BOULEVARD LATELY.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS IT WAS ALMOST AN ACCIDENT, ALMOST EVERY SINGLE DAY.
UH, AND THAT BOTHERS ME, UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS COMING THAT WAY AND ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE DUMPING ONTO ONE 70.
SO I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW ALL THAT IS GOING TO FLOW.
SO THE FLOW OFF OF ONE 70 WOULD BE A ADDITIONAL RIGHT TURN LANE IN THE MEANTIME.
UH, AND EVEN POST CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF MORE OF TO S-C-D-O-T, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS SIGNALIZE.
UM, IN THE MEANTIME, WE DO THINK IT WOULD JUST BE A A, A RIGHT LEFT, UH, STOP CONTROL SITUATION, UM, PENDING SC D T'S INVOLVEMENT.
SO THAT MEANS SOMEBODY, SO WHAT'S THAT, THAT STREET THAT, UM, MY STUFF IS NOT LOADING HERE.
SO, UM, WHAT'S THAT STREET GOING THAT WAY? TY CROSS HERE.
AND THAT'S BE CONSTRUCTED UP TO THAT RED DASH LINE BY OKAY.
UH, SO YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT A SIGNAL WILL BE AT THAT LOCATION? CORRECT.
WHERE'S THE NEXT SIGNAL COMING UP THIS WAY? THE CLOSEST ONE.
BECAUSE WHEN WE HAD THAT, UH, THE
SO THAT MEANS WHEN, WHEN WE HAD THAT TRAFFIC WORKSHOP WITH UM, A-C-D-O-T, THEY SAID IT'S A MINIMUM HALF MILE FOR EACH SIGNAL.
SO HOW FAR IN BETWEEN ARE ALL THE SIGNALS DOWN? ONE 70.
SO I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DISTANCE, BUT I DO HAVE THE APPROVED, UM, PLAN FOR THE, WE ARE REFERRING TO RIGHT NOW WITH THE, UM, AECOM STUDY.
AND, UM, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THERE ARE GOING TO BE, THERE ARE GOING TO BE SIGNALS, MULTIPLE SIGNALS, BUT THEY DON'T STOP EVERY DIRECTION OF TRAFFIC AT EVERY INTERSECTION.
SO IN SOME PLACES YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE A LEFT TURNOUT, BUT OTHER PLACES YOU'LL ONLY BE ABLE TO MAKE
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A LEFT TURN IN.AND WE MADE SURE WHEN WE WENT THROUGH, UM, WITH LATS FOR THIS STUDY THAT OKIE CROSSINGS HAD AT LEAST ONE, UM, INTERSECTION WHERE YOU COULD GO IN AND ONE WHERE YOU COULD GO OUT LEFT, UM, SIGNALED.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE YOU SEE IT LATITUDE AND HILTON HEAD LAKES WHERE STOPPING EVERYBODY ALL DIRECTIONS.
UM, AND BEAUFORT COUNTY IS STARTING TO IMPLEMENT SOME SHORT TERM, UM, IMPROVEMENTS RIGHT NOW AND WITH FURTHER, UM, FURTHER DEVELOPMENT, UM, SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS WILL BE HAVING, WE'LL HAVE TO IMPLEMENT PORTIONS OF THIS PLAN AS WELL, AS WELL AS THE FUTURE.
UM, TRANSPORTATION TAXES EXPECTED TO FUND THIS.
THEY'RE CALLED REDUCED CONFLICT INTERSECTIONS.
SO THEY WILL ULTIMATELY IMPROVE THE SAFETY, UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, AS THAT'S A CONCERN.
SO YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S LIKE RUSH HOUR, LUNCHTIME, YOU DRIVE DOWN ONE 70, HEADING THE HEADING TOWARDS 2 78.
YOU, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET OUT OF SOME OF THOSE STREETS.
PEOPLE DON'T JUST LET YOU GET IN.
YOU HAVE TO WAIT, SIT THERE AND WAIT TILL THERE'S A BREAK IN THE TRAFFIC TO GO.
DON'T YOU GUYS HAVE AN END MARK ACROSS THE STREET AT TRADERS CROSSING? YES.
SO I BELIEVE IT'S ONE MILE OR SO TO THE SOUTH.
SO, AND THE THOUGHT IS THAT MOST OF THIS TRAFFIC WILL BE HEADING SOUTHBOUND.
SO IT'LL BE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT TRAFFIC AND THAT MEANS, UH, POTENTIAL USERS GOING NORTHBOUND THAT NEED FUEL OR SNACKS OR WHATEVER CAN ALSO GO RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT OF THE NORTH.
SO YOU ARE ALSO REDUCING LEFT TURNS IN THAT ASPECT.
FIRST OFF, UM, THE 20% OPEN SPACE, YOU'RE INCLUDING THE RETENTION POND AS PART OF THAT OPEN SPACE, CORRECT? YES.
I'M NOT, I'M, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF DOING THAT.
I THINK THAT'S FOLLOWING THE RULES, BUT IT'S NOT A SPIRIT.
MY CONCERN IS I SEE YOU HAVE A CAR WASH PLAN FOR HERE AND OUTSIDE THE CAR WASH, YOU HAVE TWO ROWS OF VACUUMS THAT MAKES ME HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE APARTMENTS.
THE NOISE FROM A CAR WASH AND THE VACUUMS. UM, I'M JUST TAKING A A LOOK HERE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE MAYBE 75 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE APARTMENTS OVER.
I'D LIKE YOU TO SEE, HAVE SOME TYPE OF NOISE MITIGATION, 12 FOOT FENCE.
ANYTHING TO, TO KEEP THAT? YES.
YEAH, IF YOU ENLARGE THAT AND LOOK, YOU'LL, YOU SEE THAT IT'S, IT'S A SHORT DISTANCE.
UM, I THINK THE PROJECT'S GREAT, BUT LET'S BE GOOD NEIGHBORS BECAUSE YOU'VE ALSO TO, UH, THE NORTH, YOU'VE GOT, UH, CANTERBURY OVER THERE.
SO ANYTHING TO REDUCE THE NOISE WOULD BE A PLUS.
I'M DOUG CARROLL WITH IN MARKET, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER.
DO YOU MIND IF I ADDRESS THAT SPECIFICALLY? SO SURE.
IT IS A 24 HOUR CONVENIENCE STORE AND FUEL OPERATION.
IT'S ONLY A 12 HOUR, UH, OPERATION FOR THE CAR WASH.
THAT SUMMER HOURS, IT'S PROBABLY EIGHT TO FIVE 30 OR SIX AND OKAY.
BUT IT'LL BE SHUT DOWN AFTER THAT.
X WOULD NOT BE RUNNING PAST EIGHT O'CLOCK.
MY OTHER CONCERN IS, IS WILL THERE BE ANY, UM, OH, I GUESS, UH, LANDSCAPING OR FENCING AROUND THE RETENTION POND? THERE'S NOT CURRENTLY PLANNED TO BE NO.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING AROUND THAT INSTEAD OF JUST A, A WIDE OPEN POND.
ESPECIALLY YOU PROBABLY WILL STILL HAVE PEOPLE WALKING OVER FROM CANTERBURY ALSO.
AND I SEE THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ANYWHERE ALONG THERE.
I, I MEAN I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY WE SOMETHING WE WOULD TAKE.
THAT'S THE, THE ONLY QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE, UH, I HAVE A FEW, A COUPLE THAT I WROTE, UH, THAT WERE BROUGHT UP HERE.
UM, THE RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT IS AT, UH, OKEE CROSSING DRIVE.
THEY'RE NOT CURB CUTS DIRECTLY INTO UNMARK.
THE, I'M SORRY, I WAS MAKING THAT, I, I ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE OF, OF UH, STAFF, BUT YOU KNOW, IT LOOKED LIKE THAT THERE WAS AN ENTRANCE FROM ONE 70 AND I'M JUST CONFIRMING THERE IS NO OTHER THAN OKEE CROSSING ROAD YES.
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OR DRIVE, I'M SORRY.THE ENTRANCE INTO ENMAR IS OFF OKEE CROSSING DRIVE, NOT OFF ONE 70.
LIKE THE ONE DOWN THE STREET, THERE'S, THEY JUST, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE TURN AND THEN INTO MARK.
YOU SWEEP, YOU SWEEP IN ON OD CROSSINGS.
THERE'S A RIGHT IN AND A RIGHT OUT THEN.
BUT THERE'S A FULL ACCESS ALONG OD CROSSING NO, A NO DIRECT ACCESS TO ONE 70.
UM, I MEANT TO GO OVER THERE AND I FORGOT, BUT IS THERE A CURB CUT ON, ON UH, ONE 70 NOW? UH, THAT PEOPLE CAN MAKE THE LEFT INTO THERE THIS ACCESS CONSTRUCTED.
IT'S NOT THE NORTH ON ONE 70 NORTH.
CAN PEOPLE MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN INTO OKT CROSSING DRIVE HERE? IS THERE A CURB CUT THERE? WELL, OKT CROSSING DRIVE IS NOT CONSTRUCTED YET.
NO, I AM BUT IS THERE A CURB CUT AT ONE 70? THERE IS NO, A PARTIAL PIECE OF WHERE THERE USED TO BE SOMETHING BUT NOT A, THERE'S NOT, SO THERE'S CONCRETE.
WILL THERE BE DECEL AND ACCELERATION LANES GOING INTO THAT TURN? THERE WILL BE A DECELERATION LANE COMING SOUTH AND RIGHT TURN LANE INTO OAK T CROSSING.
BUT THERE WILL NOT BE AN ACELL LANE LEAVING COMING OUT.
I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
BUT IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THE DESAL LANE GOING IN THERE, THE ACCELERATION.
THEY CAN WAIT AND, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE AN ACCELERATION LANE AS WELL, BUT I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS THE DESAL LANE.
I WOULD LIKE TO JUST CLARIFY AND POINT OUT THAT'S A, THAT'S A DECISION THAT IS AT A SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION LEVEL AND THEY GENERALLY FROWN UPON USE OF A ACCELERATION LANES.
UH, BUT YOU HA YOU JUST SAID YOU'RE GONNA PUT A DECELERATION LINE DECELERATION, NOT A ACCELERATION.
IT CREATES A DANGEROUS SITUATION YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCELERATE.
SHOULDER? NO, I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO GET PEOPLE IN A DECELERATION LANE.
SO YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T END UP IN THEIR RIGHT IN THEIR TRUNK.
UM, THE, I ALWAYS GET CONCERNED 'CAUSE EVERYBODY WHO COMES IN AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING THEY SAY, WE'LL PUT A LIGHT THERE.
THAT LIGHT SUPPOSEDLY IS, IS ONE THIRD OF A MILE FROM TIDE WATCH LANE.
I, AND THIS IS NOT YOUR DECISION.
THIS IS S-C-D-O-T AND I'D HATE TO BASE THE DECISION THAT THIS THERE IS GONNA BE A LIGHT THERE ONE DAY.
EVERYBODY WANTS, EVERY TIME THEY WANT TO GET SOMETHING PASSED THERE, THEY SAY, OH, WE'LL PUT A LIGHT THERE.
I DON'T BELIEVE S-C-D-O-T WILL PUT A LIGHT THERE.
AND IF THEY DO, WE ALL KNOW HOW LONG THAT'S TAKES.
I'M, I'M VERY SKEPTICAL THAT, AND I WOULDN'T BASE ANY DECISION ON THIS COUNCIL BASED ON A LIGHT GOING THERE EVENTUALLY, IF IT GOES IN, EVENTUALLY THE APARTMENTS WILL HAVE TO BE THERE.
ALL THE RE THAT LOOP ROAD'S GONNA HAVE TO BE COMPLETE BEFORE ANYTHING EVEN REMOTELY WARRANTS A LIGHT GOING THERE.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BASE OUR DECISION BASED ON HOW DO THEY GET IN AND OUT.
AND THAT'S WHY I WAS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT A DECELERATION LIGHT.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I I HATE WHEN PEOPLE, I, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T MISLEAD ANYBODY.
I MEAN NO, I, IT'S UP, UP TO S-C-D-O-T AND S-C-D-O-T WITH THESE LIGHTS AND I DON'T BLAME 'EM.
PUT IT ON A, ON A 60 MILE AN HOUR ROAD THAT HAS 2040 ACCORDING TO THE ACCESS PLAN, THAT ROAD'S GONNA HAVE 60,000 CARS A DAY BY 2040.
THAT'S COMBINED BOTH DIRECTIONS TO, TO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA, I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA PUT A LIGHT A THIRD OF A MILE FROM EACH OTHER ON THAT KIND OF A ROAD.
I JUST, SORRY, I DON'T BELIEVE IT.
IT IT, THE INSTALLATION OF THE LIGHT WILL REQUIRE SIGNAL HORN ANALYSIS TO YOUR RIGHT.
UM, NOW NOBLE VINES, WHO'S GONNA BE THERE FIRST AND MARK OR NOBLE VINES BASED ON, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE HANDLING BOTH PROJECTS.
WHO DO YOU, WHO DO YOU ANTICIPATE? AND THEN UP FIRST, AND THERE'S A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
WE DON'T
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BUT, UH, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO BE NOBLE VINES.'CAUSE NOBLE VINES IS RESPONSIBLE RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND IS IS, IS IT IN PERFORMER TO BUILD OT CROSSINGS DRIVE AND THE THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE QUESTION.
WHO'S GONNA BUILD THAT ROAD? BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT ROAD, THE, THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN GET INTO END MARK.
AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO CURRENT SCHEDULE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT FOR END MARKET TO START.
WE'RE TRYING TO ADVANCE THE APPROVAL PROCESS ALONG AND THEN JUST CONTINUE TO MONITOR MARKET CONDITIONS THAT YOU RIGHT IS GONNA REQUIRE.
AND, AND I BELIEVE NO, AND I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT TIMEFRAME FOR NOBLE VINES.
WE CAN TRY TO QUESTION THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND SEE IF WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER IDEA FOR YOU FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
NOW, UM, NOW SPEAKING OF THOSE ROADS, THE ROADS BEHIND OCHSNER AND THE ROAD GOING TO PALMER GRACE, UM, WHEN IS THAT ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETELY THROUGH? IS THAT, THAT'S NOT THROUGH YET, IS IT? NO, IT'S PART OF THIS APPLICATION THAT GRAY AREA IS NOT THROUGH YET, CORRECT? YEAH, THE, THE GRAY AREA IS THE CONNECTION AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
IT'S PART OF THE APPLICATION TO, TO FINISH THAT, WHAT'S IT CALLED? TERRACE ROAD, UH, BAYLOR.
AND THE REASON I ASK IF, AND THAT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER IF THERE, THAT ROAD'S GOING TO BE COMPLETED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE THAT GIVES PEOPLE ANOTHER OUT BECAUSE PALMER GRACE WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE A LIGHT THERE.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT? ACCORDING TO THE ACCESS PLAN, YES.
UH, AGAIN, ONE OF THOSE PARTIALS, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WAS PART OF THE, UH, ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN FROM 2019 THAT LA'S APPROVED, RIGHT? YES.
SO THAT WOULD, IF THAT ROAD GETS COMPLETE, IT WOULD GIVE ANOTHER OPTION FOR GETTING BACK ONTO ONE 70 SOUTH.
AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.
UH, AND IN, AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THERE'S NO LEFT HAND MEDIAN CUT.
SO PEOPLE GOING NORTH WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE A LEFT INTO EN MARK.
IS THAT CORRECT? THEY'RE GOING NORTH.
THEY'RE GOING NORTH FROM ONE 70.
NOW THEY SHOULD HAVE STOPPED AT END MARK ALREADY A QUARTER OF A MILE DOWN THE ROAD
SO THERE'S NO REASON TO PUT A, A MEDIAN CUT WILL MAKE A LEFTHAND TURNING.
SO THE, IF, WHEN THE EXCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN IS FULLY IMPLEMENTED, YES, THERE ARE DUAL LEFTS GOING TO OP CROSSING DRIVE, WHICH IS THE INTERSECTION THAT'S PART OF THE ACOM.
YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE A LEFT DOWN AT THE OTHER ONE.
WELL, YOU CAN MAKE A LEFT AT THE OTHER ONE NOW.
RIGHT, BECAUSE I DO IT ALL THE TIME.
THE FUTURE PLAN WON'T ALLOW YOU TO THE FUTURE PLAN, BUT THEY'RE GONNA ALLOW A LEFT HAND TURN GOING NORTH INTO OKEE CROSSING DRIVE AS PART OF THE YES.
DUAL LEFT, TURNING LEFT ONTO OAKY CROSSING DRIVE AS PART OF THE ACOM PLAN A THE ACRONYM IS THAT THE EXCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN? THE OR THAT'S THE COMPANY THAT DID IT.
BUT YES, THE EXCESS MANAGEMENT STUDY BACK FROM THAT WAS APPROVED BY IN 2000, THESE ARE THE IMAGES FROM THAT PLAN.
SO I DIDN'T I DIDN'T AGREE THEN, AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT AGREEING NOW.
I KNOW
UM, BUT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THE LEFT FURTHER SOUTH.
YOU'LL, THAT'LL BE LEFT OUT INSTEAD OF LEFT END.
SO THE OTHER THING THAT I DID NOT THINK OF, AND I WANNA THANK MRS. GUZMAN FOR THINKING OF IT.
I'M REALLY CONCERNED IF I'M AS HAS NOBLE VINES SEEN THIS PLANT? THE PEOPLE WHO OWN NOBLE VINES DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT MAYOR.
BECAUSE, AND HERE'S THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION.
IF I'M BUILDING THOSE APARTMENTS AND I HAVE TO RENT THEM, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA SEE EN MARK WITH, WITH THE 24 HOUR OPERATION, I THINK I'M GONNA HAVE A TOUGH TIME FILLING THOSE APARTMENTS.
AND, AND I, I REALLY, AND I, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE THERE FIRST.
AND I, I THINK WE NEED TO RESPECT THOSE FUTURE RESIDENTS.
UM, IT WAS ALLUDED TO BY MR. MESMAN
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AND I GOTTA SECOND IT.I, THERE THERE'S THESE, UM, THESE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL 'EM, THOSE, UH, WALLS OR FENCES THAT ARE NOISE DEFLECTIONS.
I I THINK THIS COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER RECOMMENDING THAT TO SEPARATE NOBLE VINES AND ENMAR BECAUSE THAT, THAT BUILDING 80 FEET, AND I'M GOING TO QUOTE MRS. GUZMAN, 80 FEET WITH THOSE, THOSE BEEPING CARS AND THE LIGHTS IS NOTHING, YOU, YOU THINK THAT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, I I'M SURE EVEN A SOUND WALL WON'T BLOCK IT.
BUT I, I THINK WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO, UM, TO PROTECT THOSE RESIDENTS FROM THE NOISE AND THE LIGHTS BALCONY ON THOSE APARTMENTS ARE GONNA LOOK FENCE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, IF I'M OWNING THOSE APARTMENTS AND I GOTTA RENT 'EM OUT FOR $2,000 A MONTH, BUT I GOTTA RENT 'EM FOR 1500 BECAUSE THEY'RE NEXT TO YOU KNOW, THE LIGHTS THERE, THEN YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE UPSET.
AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU IF THEY HAVE BEEN SHARED THIS, THIS PLAN AND ARE THEY AWARE OF IT? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I, I THINK, I THINK THAT, I THINK WE DE THEY WERE HERE FIRST.
I THINK WE OWE IT TO THEM TO SHARE THIS WITH THEM AND GET THEIR COMMENTS.
AND YOU SAID YOU WERE WORKING ON BOTH.
I MEAN, I, AND I WOULD, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT STAGE IT'S IN RIGHT NOW AGAIN.
WE'LL, I I, I, BUT I WOULD SAY BEFORE THEY, IF THEY'RE STARTING BACK UP, THEY KNOW TIME HAS PASSED, THINGS PROBABLY HAVE CHANGED.
I I THINK THEY DESERVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE, UH, A COMMENT TO THIS AND WHAT THEY THINK THE IMPACT WOULD BE OF, OF THIS BUSINESS RIGHT NEXT TO THEIRS.
I I WOULD HAVE TO, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, I THINK IT PROBABLY, IT DEFINITELY SHOULD BE OWED TO 'EM, BUT I BELIEVE WHEN DECISIONS WERE MADE, THEY KNEW THERE WAS GONNA BE A COMMERCIAL USE AT THAT CORNER PARCEL THAT THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT REALLY EXISTS THERE.
SO THAT HAD TO GO INTO THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE WAS THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS, THEY KNEW THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS THERE, BUT DID THEY KNOW IT WAS GOING TO BE A 24 HOUR GAS STATION? THANK YOU.
I CAN'T
IF, IF YOU TOLD ME IT WAS THEY WERE GONNA CLOSE AT 10 OR 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT IF, IF YOU'RE TELLING ME THEY'RE GONNA BE OPEN ALL NIGHT LONG AGAIN, I WOULDN'T RENT.
I DON'T CARE HOW CHEAP THEY WERE, I WOULDN'T RENT THERE.
JUST, JUST TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL COLOR.
WE OPERATE 131 GAS STATIONS ACROSS THREE STATES.
I NEVER HEAR ABOUT SOUND OR LIGHT BEING AN ISSUE AT ANY OF OUR LOCATIONS, PEOPLE CALLING IN THROUGH OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE LINE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT TO THAT POINT, WE HAVE DONE WHAT THEY CALL SHARP CUTOFF LIGHTS, WHICH ALLOW THE LIGHTS THAT WOULD BE ALONG THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
THEY ONLY THROW LIGHT FORWARD TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE STORE AND THE FUEL CANOPY AND TOWARDS ONE 70.
AND THEN REALLY ON THIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, IT'S DARK.
SO FROM A LIGHT STANDPOINT, THERE'S THINGS WE CAN DO TO CONTROL SOME OF THE LIGHTING.
UM, TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE BASED ON HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS OUT THERE ON ONE 70 AT THREE IN THE MORNING, WHICH WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT EITHER.
BUT I, YOU CAN JUST, THE DATA POINT IS THAT I, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE TYPICALLY HEAR.
SO I'M JUST SHARING THAT SIMPLY FOR CONVERSATION.
I, I HAVEN'T BEEN TO 131 OF YOUR STORES, BUT THE ONE AT EXIT EIGHT, THE ONE IN BLUFFTON ON 2 78, THE ONE DOWN THE STREET FROM HERE, NONE OF 'EM HAVE 210 APARTMENTS RIGHT BEHIND IT.
AND I'M SURE MAYBE THERE ARE SOMEWHERE.
UM, AND I, I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THIS, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT, UM, IF I OWN THAT NOBLE VINES I'D, I'D WANT A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN.
AND I THINK, I THINK WE, UH, OWE IT TO THEM.
AND I THINK MRS. GUZMAN SAID IT, IT'S ONE THING TO KNOW COMMERCIAL'S GONNA BE THERE.
IT'S ANOTHER THING TO BE, UH, OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY.
AND DO WE HAVE OUR, WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT'S OUR ORDINANCES ALLOW THAT.
WELL, PER I MAY BE WRONG FOR AN IMP WAS THERE A PUBLIC NOTICE OR IS THERE A NOTIFICATION FOR JASON OWNERS
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SECOND READING? OKAY.THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY SECOND READING, WE WOULDN'T SHARE IT WITH THEM.
BUT JUST TO YOUR POINT, I NEED TO ADD, I THINK RIGHT NOW, AND WE'LL WE'LL VERIFY WITH HORN.
I BELIEVE HORNS STILL MAY OWN THAT.
BUT, UM, EITHER WAY HORN PROPERTIES CAN HELP US GET THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO, WELL, I, WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD WANT IF WE PASS ON FIRST READING, I, I WOULD VOTE AGAINST HIS SECOND READING.
UNLESS I SEE SOMEBODY FROM NOBLE VINES SITTING RIGHT ON THAT PODIUM AND TELLING US THEY DON'T OBJECT.
I CAN'T, TO HIS POINT, IT'S, IT'S HORN.
IF HORN STILL OWNS IT NOW, I THINK WE CAN, WELL, AGAIN, AGAIN, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT DOUG HORN BECAUSE YOU KNOW, HE'LL SELL TO HIM ANYWAY AND
I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA LIVE IN THOSE APARTMENTS.
UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT STAFF CAN OFFER AND WHAT WE CAN, CAN HELP WITH, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT FOR BOTH PROJECTS.
UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY, IF, IF YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH FIRST READING, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CONTACTED AND WE GET A RESPONSE.
UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF LUCK GETTING RESPONSES FROM, FROM THE MOBILE NOBLE VINES FOLKS, BUT WE'LL DO OUR BEST.
NOW WHETHER WE CAN HAVE SOMEONE HERE AND IN PERSON, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY GET A RESPONSE FOR YOU.
I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF, IF YOU WANT MY PERSONAL YES VOTE AND SECOND READING, EITHER THEY'RE SITTING IN FRONT OF ME TELLING ME IT'S OKAY OR A DETAILED LETTER TELLING THIS COUNSEL THAT THEY HAVE NO OBJECTION.
WE'LL WORK ON THAT FOR YOU MR. MAYOR.
UM, IT'S, THEY HAVE SAID THAT THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE PLANS TO START CONSTRUCTION ON THIS.
IS IT IMPERATIVE THAT WE EVEN PASS AT FIRST READING AND WAIT UNTIL, UH, THE JULY 11TH MEETING FOR A FIRST READING, THEN WE WILL HAVE ALL OF THAT DOCUMENTATION, ALL THE DOCUMENTATION AT HAND INSTEAD OF LET'S HASH IT OUT AT A SECOND READING THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL.
IF, IF YOU WANT TO WAIT, UH, POSTPONE, UH, FIRST READING VOTE UNTIL WE HEAR BACK FROM NOBLE VINES, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
UM, BUT IT'S WILL, IT'S VERY SENSITIVE.
UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S WILL TO COUNSEL.
I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. MAYOR, PLEASE.
MR. CARROLL, MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION, SIR? YES, SIR.
UH, WHAT I LIKE THAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE LIGHTINGS AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO, UH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL AND IT'S CHARACTERIZING YOUR DESIRE TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
AS I LISTEN TO YOU TALK AND WITH WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM SOME OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY SUGGESTION TO YOU IS SOME OF THESE THOUGHTFUL INTERVENTIONS THAT YOU CAN DO WITH LIGHTS AND SOME OF THESE THINGS WHEN WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL HEARINGS, WILL GIVE THE MESSAGE THAT YOU WANT TO GIVE, THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THINGS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THESE ISSUES IN A PROACTIVE WAY AS OPPOSED TO, UH, HAVING A LOT OF FOLKS HERE AND THEN HAVE TO DOING IT IN A REACTIVE WAY.
AND I THINK THAT YOU'VE GOT THE KIND OF, UH, DESIRE TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AS I LISTEN TO YOU TALK, AND I THINK, UH, I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO BE A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVE WITH SOME OF THESE THINGS, UH, TO SHOW THAT INTENTION OF YOURS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR WITH SOME OF THESE THOUGHTFUL THINGS ABOUT THE LIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT VALERIE AND OTHERS HAVE RAISED THAT WILL HELP WITH THOSE CONCERNS.
DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO YOU, SIR? YES, SIR.
ONE OTHER POINT, UH, THAT WHEN WE CONTACT THEM, GRANTED LAMAR YES, SIR.
IF I LOOK AT THIS, THE, THE BUILDINGS ARE ON THE OUTSIDE IN THE PARKING LOTS AND THE INSIDE, PERHAPS YOU, WE COULD SUGGEST TO THEM IF THEY HAVE NO OBJECTION THAT THEY REVERSE THAT AND THEN THAT INCREASES THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE RESIDENT AND, AND, AND THE END MARK.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE OR THERE'S A REASON WHY THE PARKING WAS IN THE INTERIOR.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE BACK END OF THE PROPERTY, YOU GOT ALL THAT, THE ENTIRE BACKSIDE IS PARKING AND THE ENTIRE FRONT SIDE, WHICH IS RIGHT BEHIND END MARKET IS, IS APARTMENTS.
WHY DON'T YOU FLIP THAT? AND THEN THE APARTMENTS ARE, AT LEAST A GROUP OF THEM WILL BE FURTHER
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AWAY FROM THIS BUILDING.SO WE, WE CAN CERTAINLY, DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS, WE CAN CERTAINLY MENTION THAT.
UM, I WOULD ADD THOUGH THAT THEY'RE AT THE VERY FINAL STAGES OF THEIR ENGINEERING APPROVAL THROUGH STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE.
SO I THINK AT THIS TIME THAT MIGHT BE A TOUGH CHANGE TO CONVINCE.
THAT WOULD BE A VERY EXPENSIVE CHANGE AGAIN, SO WE CAN BRING IT UP, LEAVE IT, LEAVE IT TO THEM.
IF THEY HAVE NO OBJECTION TO AMARK BEING RIGHT BEHIND 'EM, THEN I DON'T EITHER.
AND ASK, UH, COUNSEL BEFORE I OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I I HAVE ONE MORE THAT I FORGOT TO ASK.
MR. LAMORE, THE AC UNITS, OUTSIDE UNITS, WHERE WILL THEY BE PLACED? ARE THEY GOING TO BE PLACED ON TOP OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE SIDE SOMEWHERE? I THINK Y'ALL DO 'EM BEHIND, RIGHT? YEAH, THEY'RE ON TOP.
SO ANOTHER THING THAT I LEARNED WHEN I FIRST CAME ON COUNCIL AND WE WERE DISCUSSING, UH, UH, ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT IN, IN THE AREA WAS WHEN THOSE UNITS GO ON TOP AND AT NIGHTTIME THAT NOISE TRAVELS, BUT EACH TIME THE OUTSIDE UNIT KICKS IN AND KICKS OFF THOSE APARTMENT BUILDINGS ARE RIGHT BEHIND THOSE BUILDINGS AND THAT SOUND IS GOING TO CARRY.
SO IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY OR PLACE THAT YOU CAN PUT THOSE OUTSIDE UNITS SOMEPLACE ELSE? WHAT I WILL SUGGEST IS THAT WE HAVE PARAPET WALLS THAT HIDE THE EQUIPMENT.
UM, IT'S PRIMARILY FOR AESTHETICS.
SO FROM THE GROUND YOU'RE NOT STARING AT MM-HMM.
AND IT'S A BIG PIMPLE ON TOP OF THE BUILDING.
BUT WITH OUR NEWER DESIGNS AND OUR NEWER BUILDINGS, WE SHIELD WITH PARAPET WALLS ALL AROUND THE, THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEY USUALLY STAND ABOUT HALF THE HEIGHT OF THE AIR CONDITIONER UNITS.
AND, AND THESE TYPE OF UNITS DO NOT HAVE FANS ON THE TOP, LIKE YOUR RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
UM, HOWEVER, I'M SURE THERE IS SOME NOISE, BUT THE PARAPET WALL DOES HELP ATTENUATE THE NOISE TO AN EXTENT.
SO THAT'S LIKE, OKAY, SO WE HAVE BEEP, BEEP, BEEP GOING ON.
WE HAVE AC UNITS KICKING ON AND OFF.
WE HAVE PEOPLE SLAMMING CAR DOORS.
I WILL ADDRESS THE BEEP, BEEP, BEEP.
SO DELIVERIES ARE USUALLY, DELIVERY VEHICLES ARE THE ONES THAT MAKE BEEP BEEP BEEPS.
AND THOSE WOULD BE DONE DURING BUSINESS HOURS, TRADITIONAL BUSINESS HOURS, PROBABLY SEVEN TO FIVE.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A NIGHTTIME ISSUE.
I CAN'T COMMENT ON CONVERSATIONS IN THE PARKING LOT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AGAIN, THEY WOULD BE ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE STORE.
UM, THERE'S NOT PARKING NECESSARILY ON THE REAR OF THE STORE.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE ONLY HAVE, UH, RENTERS WHO GET UP EARLY.
AND WE'LL ONLY MAKE SURE WE HAVE CUSTOMERS THAT WHISPER ABOUT IT.
I'M GLAD YOU HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR AND YOU DIDN'T TAKE IT BADLY WHEN I GAVE YOU A LITTLE ZINGER THERE.
UM, SO LET ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? YES, SIR.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OFFER THE PUBLIC TO COME FORWARD AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE
[PUBLIC HEARING]
ANY COMMENTS REGARDING, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT.STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UM, THAT'S A HIGHWAY AND I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYTHING THAT GOES ON IN THAT PARKING LOT TO COMPARE IT TO THE NOISE OF THE HIGHWAY.
AND YOU CAN'T MITIGATE HIGHWAY NOISE FROM ANYTHING.
AND THEN WHATEVER NOISE AT THE HIGHWAY BEFORE IT GETS TO THE APARTMENT DOES HAVE TO GO THROUGH A FEW BUILDINGS.
AND I HEARD A COMMENT ABOUT THE VACUUM CLEANERS, BUT COULDN'T THAT BE MITIGATED JUST AROUND THE VACUUM CLEANERS? AND YOU'VE GOT A FENCE THERE.
UM, I KNOW YOUR CONCERNS LETTING THE OTHER PEOPLE KNOW, BUT WHEN THEY BUILD IT, EVERYBODY IN BUSINESS MAKES THOSE DECISIONS ON THEIR OWN.
YOU WOULDN'T PRECOG WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD DECISION FOR THEM OR NOT.
AND I WOULDN'T WANT SEE THAT HELD UP, UM, OVER THAT.
I DON'T THINK ANYTHING THAT GOES ON IN THAT PARKING LOT IS GOING TO BE NEARLY AS DETRIMENTAL AS THAT HIGHWAY.
AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
SO UNLESS YOU THINK THAT THERE'S MORE NOISE COMING FROM ITS SIGHT, JUST MY OPINION AND PUBLIC.
SO THAT'S WHY WE ASKED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THAT'S A GOOD, A GOOD POINT.
THE, THE, THE, THE ROAD NOISE IS GONNA BE FAR GREATER TRAFFIC
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TRAIN GOING DOWN THE HIGHWAY.I HAVE PLENTY OF NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE ON ARJUN BOULEVARD WHO ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT, YOU'RE RIGHT.
THE ROAD, ROAD NOISE IS MUCH GREATER AND THAT, THAT THEY'LL HEAR THAT BEFORE THEY'LL HEAR, UH, ANYBODY GETTING GAS.
AND YOU ALSO GOT ACCELERATION LANE, SO THAT SHOULD CAR SLOWING DOWN.
RIGHT? IT'S A, I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT.
ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC GONNA TRY TO ENLIGHTEN US? SEE, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS UP HERE.
UM, NOW COUNSEL, THIS IS GONNA BE YOUR CHOICE, GIVEN HAVING HEARD FROM MR. ZILLOW AND THIS COMMENT ABOUT THE NOISE, UM, THE, DO IT'S UP TO YOU.
DO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THIS? OR DO AND WAIT FOR A SECOND READING TO GET THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED THAT WE BROUGHT UP TODAY? OR DO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, TABLE FIRST READING UNTIL, UM, THE JULY 11TH? SO IT'S UP TO YOU.
WHOEVER HAS A STRONG FEELING IN EITHER WAY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
CAN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION? JUST RAISE A COUPLE DISCUSSION POINTS BEFORE THAT MI MR. MAYOR? UH, I THOUGHT WE JUST DID.
WELL, BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID, WHY DON'T WE, OKAY.
LET'S HAVE A MOTION SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
ALRIGHT, SO THE MO YOU COUNSEL HAS A CHOICE.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FIRST READING OR DISAPPROVE, OR, UM, TABLE FIRST READING UNTIL JULY 11TH.
SO WHOEVER WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION DO SO AT THIS TIME.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION DEPENDING ON WHAT THE MOTION IS.
MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL JULY, JULY 11TH TO GIVE NOBLE VINES DEVELOPER A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN.
NOW, I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS, UH, AGAIN FROM COUNSEL.
MR. WHITE, DO YOU HAVE, UH, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? MY VIEW IS THAT WE HAVE A SECOND READING COMING.
I, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO PUSH THIS THROUGH THE FIRST READING.
IT'LL COME TO THE SECOND READING.
I EXPECT ALL THE THINGS THAT MR. CARROLL SAID TO GET AN UPDATE ON THAT AND KEEP THE PROCESS MOVING.
UH, IT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION IF WE DECIDE TO STOP IT, THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK WE CAN KEEP IT MOVING.
IF THOSE THINGS AREN'T DONE, WE CAN STOP IT.
IT, UH, GIVES YOU A LITTLE IMPETUS, MR. CARROLL TO GET GOING AND, UH, GET SOME OF THESE THINGS DONE AND, AND, UH, OUR GOOD FAITH THAT YOU'RE GONNA FOLLOW THROUGH.
I'M NOT, IF WE DID THE OTHER, I WOULD, UH, I'D BE, I'D BE A TEAM PLAYER THERE, BUT, UH, THAT'S MY FEELING ABOUT IT.
ANYONE ELSE? I I HAVE A COUPLE THOUGHTS.
TYPICALLY, UM, I DON'T LIKE TO PASS FIRST READING.
IF THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THE NEW INFORMATION, I'LL, I'LL VOTE AGAINST THE SECOND READING.
UM, I DON'T SENSE THAT I WOULD VOTE AGAINST THE SECOND READING HERE.
UM, IF WE PASS THE FIRST ONE, I DON'T THINK THE INFORMATION WE ASKED FOR WOULD KILL THE, THE PROJECT, BUT I DO HAVE A CONCERN.
I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NOBLE VINES IS AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO I I CAN, I CAN GO EITHER WAY.
UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND.
SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S PROBABLY TWO VOTES FOR TABLING IT.
I I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION AT THIS TIME IF WE CAN HAVE THE INFORMATION.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF PASSING SOMETHING ON FIRST READING AND THEN GOING BACK ON THE SECOND.
BUT IF ALL BELIEVE THAT WE WILL HAVE THE INFORMATION FROM NOBLE VINES AND EVERYTHING WILL BE AS A,
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MY FATHER USED TO SAY HUNKY DORY WITH EVERYBODY.UM, I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION TO TABLE AND IN PLACE.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THIS ON FIRST READING.
UH, LET ME CHECK WITH THE, UH, OUR ATTORNEY, UH, CAN HE DO THAT OR THAT WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY? YES, SIR.
SO HE MADE A MOTION TO WITHDRAW, AND NOW HE'LL MAKE A MOTION.
YOU HAVE A NEW MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE IT AT FIRST READING.
PARDON? NEED A SECOND MAYOR FOR THAT WE, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ON SECOND READING, UH, GIVEN THE, UH, ON FIRST READING.
AND GIVEN THAT, UH, PENDING INFORMATION AT REQUESTED AT THIS MEETING.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY THE PUBLIC OR BY COUNSEL? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.
UM, WE CAN, WHAT IF, IF WE DO NOT HAVE OPPOSED, A OPPOSED, OH, SORRY.
ONE, IF WE DO NOT HAVE THE INFORMATION AS REQUESTED HERE, THIS COUNCIL CAN EITHER A VOTE IT DOWN OR B TABLED AT THAT TIME.
UNTIL THE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED.
UNTIL THE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED, I DO TOO.
SO, SO, UM, UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT'S EXPECTED OF YOU FOR NEXT, FOR NEXT MEETING? WE WILL POSTPONE IT OR VOTE IT DOWN IF WE DO NOT HAVE THIS INFORMATION.
AND I, I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED, ASKED WAS, AND MR. WHITE SAID ABOUT BEING, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIVE AND PROACTIVE, COMING BACK WITH REMEDIAL SUGGESTIONS.
THERE WAS A SUGGESTION ABOUT A SOUND BARRIER BACK THERE, THERE WERE SUGGESTIONS ABOUT MOVING THE MASTER PLAN AROUND.
EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T THINK IT CAN BE DONE, YOU STILL WANT TO HAVE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WHEN IT COMES BACK TO LET US KNOW.
LET'S SEE A, LET'S SEE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT KIND OF LIGHTING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
DO YOU WANT TO SEE AN EXAMPLE IN A LIGHTING LAYOUT OR THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL FE UH, FIXTURE THAT YOU CAN HOLD AND NO, NOT, BUT JUST A PICTURE OF HOW IT, IT LOOKS OF AN EXISTING ONE IN AN EXISTING STORE.
DO YOU HAVE THIS IN ONE OF THE HUNDRED AND 31 STORES? UH, WE'RE INSTALLING THEM RIGHT NOW, ACTUALLY.
SO LET'S HAVE A PICTURE OF AN ACTUAL SITE WITH AN ACTUAL THING.
THAT WAY WE CAN INCLUDE IT IN OTHERS.
NEXT WE HAVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARDY V TO ENTER
[C. A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO ENTER INTO A CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT WITH APAC-ATLANTIC, INC. TO INSTALL A TEMPORARY TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE ARGENT BOULEVARD/NEW RIVER PARKWAY, EAST ARGENT PARKWAY INTERSECTION AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY (2024-6-20C)]
INTO A CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT WITH A APAC ATLANTIC TO INSTALL A TEMPORARY TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE ARJUN BOULEVARD NEW RIVER PARKWAY, EAST AR PARKWAY INTERSECTION, AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.THIS IS RESOLUTION AS A RESOLUTION.
IT'S ONLY ONE VOTE, WHICH IS 24 20 24 6 DASH 20 C.
MR. ZIBO, OR MR. DAVIS, WHO'S GONNA TAKE THIS AWAY? FIRST? I'LL TAKE IT, MR. MAYOR.
AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I JUST, I DID WANNA MENTION WE ALL SEEM TO JUST GLOSS OVER THE FACT THAT CHIEF SAM WOODWARD IS THE ONE THAT SOLVED OUR TECHNO TECHNOLOGY PROBLEM.
IN THE BEGINNING, WE WERE ALL, I DON'T KNOW, THAT WAS IMPRESSIVE.
WE JUST KIND OF SKIPPED OVER THAT.
JAMES KIM BROW LOOK OUT A BIG DEAL IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO GET YOUR JOB RIGHT.
SORRY, I JUST STRUCK ME AS FUNNY.
I, SO ANYWAY, DON'T BE PREPARED FOR EVERYTHING, SIR.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, BUT THANK YOU.
I'M PLEASED TO PRE PRESENT TO YOU, UM, ASK YOU FOR BID ACCEPTANCE TO INSTALL THE TRA TEMPORARY TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT ARGENT NEW RIVER.
UM, EAST AR PARKWAY IS FOR $885,000 AWARD.
UM, APAC ATLANTIC, THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY CAN MOBILIZE THE WEEK OF JULY 8TH IF WE AWARD THE CONTRACT THIS EVENING.
UM, AGAIN, JUST FOR EVERYONE'S INFORMATION, THIS IS A TEMPORARY SIGNAL.
WE ARE STILL GETTING THE, THE, THE FULL INTERSECTION WITH ALL OF ITS IMPROVEMENTS IN THE VARIOUS TURNING LANES, ET CETERA, UM, THROUGH PERMITTING
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RIGHT NOW.BUT THAT WILL PROBABLY BE SOMETIME NEXT YEAR UNTIL THAT'S EVEN FINALLY PERMITTED.
THERE ARE WETLANDS INVOLVED AND A LOT OF OTHER, AND, AND A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF UTILITY RELOCATIONS IN THAT AREA.
SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, AN IMMEDIATE IMPROVEMENT, BUT IT IS TEMPORARY.
THERE'LL BE SOME VERY SHORT TURN LANE, LEFT TURN LANES ON ARGENT.
UM, BUT IT SHOULD, YOU KNOW, CREATE THE, AT LEAST A SAFER SITUATION AND ALLOW FOLKS TO TURN, UM, SAFELY OFF OF EAST A PARKWAY AND NEW RIVER ONTO ARGENT.
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
WHAT, OKAY, LET'S, UH, START THE QUESTIONING WITH MR. MESMAN THIS TIME.
AM I READING THIS RIGHT? THIS TEMPORARY SIGNAL IS GONNA COST US $885,000.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS GOING TO GO, OKAY.
IT'S BEING PAID FOR BY DA FEES, BUT IT'S STILL MONEY THAT WE'RE EXPENDING THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THE, THE NECE THE NECESSITY FOR THIS LIFE.
IS THIS, IN YOUR OPINION, IS THIS, UH, A VALUE OR ARE WE BEING, I MEAN, DID WE HAVE ANY OTHER BIDDERS FOR THIS? WE DID NOT.
UH, IT'S REALLY NOT THAT BIG A PROJECT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, S-C-D-O-T STRUGGLES ALL THE TIME WITH THEIR ON-CALL CONTRACTORS FOR THESE QUOTE, SMALLER, SMALLER PROJECTS TO GET BIDDERS AT ALL.
SO THE FACT THAT WE GOT ONE WE WERE ACTUALLY REALLY HAPPY WITH, AND, AND WE DID, THEY DID COME IN INITIALLY WITH A HIGHER BID.
WE RENEGOTIATED, UM, MADE IT ABOUT 300, OVER $300,000 LESS.
DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE PERMANENT LIGHTS ARE GONNA COST? UM, NO, BUT IT'LL BE IN EXCESS OF, IT'LL BE SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS WITH THE UTILITIES AND, UM, THAT ARE INVOLVED.
YOU HAVE WATER SEWER, UM, THERE'S ELECTRIC, UM, POLES THAT'LL HAVE TO BE RELOCATED.
I MEAN, THERE, IT'S A, JUST, IT'S A TREMENDOUS UNDERTAKING.
UM, BUT THERE ARE SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE PAYING FOR NOW WE CAN USE IN THE, IN THE NEW, IN THE PERMANENT SIGNAL, WE CAN CERTAINLY USE THE SIGNAL CABINET.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN USE THE HEADS, YOU KNOW, THE SIGNAL HEADS THEMSELVES, UM, THE POLES.
WE'RE GONNA JUST, WE'RE GONNA DO WOOD POLES AT THIS POINT AND PROBABLY WHEN WE DO THE, AND UNTIL ORIGINS ULTIMATELY WIDENED TO THAT AND MAYBE LOOKING AT MASTER ARMS AT THAT POINT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SO ARE THERE, THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE'RE PAYING FOR NOW THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO RE BE REUSED FOR THE PERMANENT SIGNAL TIMING OF THE LIGHTS.
UH, SO WE DON'T HAVE A BACKUP OF TRAFFIC GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2 78.
UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY 'CAUSE WE'VE ALL SEEN WHAT THE TRAFFIC CAN BE AT CERTAIN TIMES ON, ON THE ROAD THERE.
UM, LIFE'S, I MEAN, REALISTICALLY, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT POSSIBLE FOR, UH, PERMANENT LIGHTING FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD? I WOULD THINK SHORT.
UM, A SHORTER TIMEFRAME THAN THAT.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME FEEL ANY BETTER THAN, WELL, I MEAN, WE PLANNED TO HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, FULLY PERMITTED SOMETIME NEXT YEAR.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS DEVELOPMENT KEEPS OCCURRING AND NEW SERGEANT, OKAY.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP COLLECTING THOSE DEVELOPMENT FEES AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THOSE FEES WILL GO TOWARDS.
AND JUST TO YOUR OTHER EARLIER POINT, BEAUFORT COUNTY ACTUALLY WILL MAINTAIN THIS SIGNAL FOR S-C-D-O-T.
SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE THE ONES THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE OUT THERE TAKING THE TIMING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, DOING THE TIMING.
AND THAT'LL TAKE A LITTLE TIME.
YOU KNOW, THEY'LL WATCH THE TRAFFIC AND SEE HOW IT GOES.
AND THEY'LL BE OUT THERE AND THEY'LL, AND THEY'LL ADJUST THAT TIMING ACCORDINGLY.
YES, MRS. GUZMAN? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BECAUSE HE JUST ASKED IT.
I, I, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WITH ARGENT IN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT THERE'S SOME ACTION THAT HAPPENS THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE.
I THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ALL HAT NO CATTLE WITH THIS WHOLE SUBJECT MATTER.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD SIGN.
UH, IT'S A FIRST STEP, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT AND IT'S FOR THOSE RESIDENTS.
AND THE SECOND THING IS THAT SAFETY IS SAFETY.
AND THAT'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY TO PAY IF SOMETHING DRIER DIRE HAPPENED TO ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS.
AND SO I THINK THE SAFETY FACTOR IS A CRITICAL FACTOR, AND THE FACT THAT'S GETTING SOME ATTENTION.
AND THEN THE THING THAT YOU SAID TONIGHT, MATT, WHAT, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS HELPFUL IS THERE COULD BE SOME RECYCLING OF SOME OF THESE PARTS IN THIS INVESTMENT.
AND THEN THE LAST POINT I WOULD MAKE IS THAT MY EXPERIENCE WITH THESE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IS THAT SOMETIMES IT TAKES LONGER THAN WE THINK AND THERE'S A SOLUTION IN PLACE THAT'S TAKING CARE OF SAFETY, NOT THE WAY WE WANT IT ULTIMATELY.
AND SO IF IT GOES LONGER, WE STILL HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S THERE AT THE SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS.
AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, BUT, UH, WHEN I THINK OF ALL THE THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN OR NONE OF THE THINGS THAT ARE WOULD HAPPEN, I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S AN INVESTMENT THAT'S
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PROBABLY AN IMPORTANT ONE TO MAKE.MR. CARROLL, I THINK THAT PRETTY WELL SUMS IT UP, MAYOR.
I MEAN, YOU TALKING ABOUT $885,000, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T PUT A PRICE ON A LIFE.
SO OUR LIVES, AND THAT'S A DANGEROUS AREA.
AND I GUESS THE KEY WOULD BE FOR ME AND NOT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT WOULD BE FOR BEAUFORT COUNTIES SYNCHRONIZE IT RIGHT?
THEY'RE CONTINUALLY WORKING ON THAT TOO.
AND YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S GONNA COME UP AFTER THIS VOTE TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE OTHER SIGNAL IN ORIGIN FOR EVEN A LONGER AMOUNT OF TIME.
UM, THERE REALLY WASN'T AN OPTION THERE, THERE WAS NOT AN OPTION THERE TO DO A TEMPORARY SIGNAL.
UM, DOT UM, IS ACTUALLY INSTALLING INSTALLING THE SIGNAL ITSELF AS YOU KNOW, AFTER WE DO THE, THE ACTUAL ROAD WORK.
BUT THAT'S BEEN A MUCH MORE INVOLVED PROCESS.
AND THAT'S, WE'RE GETTING TO THE FINISH LINE ON THAT.
WE ARE, WE ARE SCRATCHING AND CLAWING OUR WAY THERE.
WE'RE GETTING REALLY CLOSE TO, YOU KNOW, WANNA PUT THAT OUT FOR A BIT AS WELL.
I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT DIDN'T PUT THAT ONE ON THE BACK BURNER BY ANY STRETCH.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING CONCURRENTLY WITH BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS.
IT'S JUST, THEY'RE DIFFERENT DEGREES BECAUSE ONE'S A TEMPORARY SIGNAL, ONE'S A PERMANENT.
OKAY, MR. MAYOR, MAY I OUT THERE? YES.
I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET THE IMPRESSION THAT I'M PUTTING DOLLARS ABOVE SAFETY.
I JUST LOVE IT WAS STICKER SHOCK.
IT WAS, IT WAS, IT'S ABSOLUTELY WITH A SHOCK, WITH SAFETY MUST COME FIRST.
BUT I JUST, I NEVER, WHERE DO YOU SEE THE NEXT SIGNAL?
WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO WARN YOU, BUT IT, IT WAS JUST STICKER SHOCK COMING OFF GUARD.
EX CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I HAD A NUMBER IN MY HEAD FOR MARGARITAVILLE, AND I KNOW A LOT HAS CHANGED IN PRICES.
I THOUGHT MARGARITAVILLE LIGHT, WHICH IS NOT A TEMPORARY AND IT HAS STEEL ARMS, WAS $350,000.
RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY RIGHT.
BUT AGAIN, THERE WAS, ALL THE LANES WERE ALREADY THERE, THERE WERE NO UTILITIES TO, WELL, NOT UTIL, BUT THERE WAS NO PAVING AT ALL INVOLVED.
THERE WAS NO GRADING WHATSOEVER.
IT WAS SIMPLY A MATTER OF RUNNING THE ELECTRIC ELECTRICITY, INSTALLING THOSE POLES AND HANGING THE LIGHTS.
SO IT, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE, ISN'T IT? BECAUSE IT'S A TEMPORARY, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT.
IT IS, BUT AGAIN, THEY HAVE TO MOBILIZE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THERE IS SOME MINIMAL GRADING.
THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL, THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL PAVING.
SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE.
BECAUSE, UH, AS EVERYBODY SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED, WE HAVE TO DO.
I'M JUST, IT, I'M JUST, AS STEVE SAID, I'M THE STICKER SHOCK.
'CAUSE I HAD THAT OTHER NUMBER IN MY HEAD.
AND IF THIS IS THE TEMP, THE REAL ONE'S GOING TO TAKE A THICK, IT'S GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT.
NOW ALSO BROUGHT UP BEFORE THIS 885 IS COMING OUTTA DA FEES.
SO THE 2 MILLION FOR THE REAL LIGHT, IS THAT GONNA COME OUTTA DA FEES OR ARE WE GONNA, SIR, IT'LL HAVE TO BE THE, IS THE PARK GONNA RUN DRY? WELL, IF, IF THE DEVELOPMENT SCHEDULE CONTINUES AS IT HAS BEEN AN EAST AR, THAT SHOULD NOT BE AN END.
BUT WE CAN TAKE, 'CAUSE I KNOW EAST ARGEN HAS, UH, I THINK IF I RECALL THE NUMBER RIGHT, $75 MILLION WORTH OF TRAFFIC, UH, ROADS AS PART OF THE $110 MILLION OF DA FEES THAT WERE PART OF THAT 9,500 HOMES.
SO THERE SHOULD BE, I KNOW THAT NEW ROAD IS BEING PAID FOR BY THAT.
SO, UM, JUST TO COMMENT, THE BIGGEST LINE ITEM HERE IS TRAFFIC CONTROL.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A LOT OF OVERTIME.
WHAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY GET OUT THERE AND SEE HOW THE TRAFFIC'S FLOWING WITH THEIR YEAH.
THEIR VARIOUS TRAFFIC CONTROL.
YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO THIS IN LESS THAN 60 DAYS.
THEY SAID 90 TOPS, MAYBE 60, DEPENDING ON HOW WE CAN DEAL WITH LANE CLOSURES BECAUSE, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY SOME NIGHTTIME WORK TOO, TO SPEED THINGS UP AND GET IT DONE.
SO THERE'S, WE ARE LOOKING AT AT LEAST 60 DAYS.
AND THAT'S A FALL, FALL GOES WELL.
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I SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS.WELL, IT JUST GOES TO SHOW THE, THE INCREASE IN PRICES SINCE, UH, WHAT, UH, MARGARITAVILLE LIGHT WENT, WAS IT 2020? 2021? I THINK IT WAS ACTIVATED TWO YEARS AGO THIS MONTH.
SO YOU FIGURE SIX MONTHS PRIOR TO THAT.
YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK OUT THERE.
A MILLION DOLLAR JOB IS A SMALL JOB NOW.
AND I SUSPECT, UH, 12 MONTHS FROM NOW, IT'LL BE MORE THAN 800 SOME THOUSAND.
IT WILL BE A MILLION DOLLAR JOB.
THE GOOD NEWS IS IT'S GONNA GET UP, IT'S GONNA GET UP IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY WILL BE RELIEVED.
UM, THIS VOTE IS A RESOLUTION, SO IT, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A SECOND READING.
SO, UM, LET'S NOW OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
ASK A QUESTION OR MAKE A COMMENT REGARDING THIS RESOLUTION.I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO RESOLUTION 2024 DASH SIX DASH 20 C.
WE APPROVE 2024 DASH SIX DASH 20 C.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE.
IS THE LIGHT UP YET?
ARE THEY STARTING TOMORROW MORNING? GOOD.
MR. MAYOR, MAY I JUST SAY ONE THING FIRST? THANKS, MATT.
BUT TO ME, THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A GOOD STORY THAT SHOULD BE TOLD WITH THE SHELLEYS AND THE FOLKS OUT THERE.
UH, AND WE MISS OPPORTUNITIES WHEN WE HAVE GOOD STORIES TO TELL.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY MORE PROACTIVE WITH JUAN AND, UH, JAMES TO GET THIS OUT TO PEOPLE LIKE THE SHELLEY'S AND WHATEVER, BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF WORK.
IT'S, UH, AND IT'S A GOOD STORY AND IT'S PROGRESS.
AND I, UH, I DON'T WANT TO SEE US MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY LIKE WE HAVE IN THE PAST WITH SOME OF OUR GOOD STORIES.
UM, NEXT, ANOTHER RESOLUTION IS OF THE CITY OF HARDY V
[D. RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO AMMEND CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT WITH DOMINION ENERGY TO EXPAND NATURAL GAS SERVICES ALONG WHYTE HARDEE BLVD/US 17 TO FOSTER ADDITIONAL GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT WHILE SUPPORTING ESTABLISHED BUSINESSES AND PROVIDING AN ALTERNATIVE ENERGY RESOURCE FOR CITY RESIDENTS (2024-6-20D)]
AUTHORIZING CITY MANAGER TO AMEND CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT WITH DOMINION ENERGY TO EXPAND NATURAL GAS SERVICES ALONG WHITEY BOULEVARD, US 17.THIS IS RESOLUTION 2024 DASH SIX DASH 20 D.
I THINK COUNCIL RECALLS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY AWARDED A CONTRACT FOR PHASE ONE, UM, WHICH WOULD'VE GONE TO APPROXIMATELY MAIN STREET AND WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD.
UM, THE COUNCIL AWARDED THAT THEY WERE IN DOING CONSTRUCTION, INSTALLING THE, UM, PIPE FOR THE, UM, GAS.
THEY DID RUN IN, RUN INTO SOME SIGNIFICANT SOIL CONCERNS.
UM, THEY HAD SOME TESTING AND THEY'VE DECIDED THAT THE ORIGINAL ROUTE ON MAIN ON WHITE ARTY BOULEVARD, IT WAS NOT, UM, WAS NOT ATTAINABLE.
UM, SO THEY, WE'VE TALKED TO 'EM, UM, THE, SO THEY CAME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE, WHICH YOU HAVE A, A DESCRIPTION AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE BLUE LINE THERE.
IT KIND OF AVOIDS THAT PROBLEM AREA ON MAIN STREET BY THE GAS STATION, THE, THE, UM, UH, LAUNDROMAT AND THAT SERIES OF BUILDINGS AND THAT GENERAL VICINITY.
UM, THIS WOULD, SO THIS WILL BE KIND OF PART OF OUR PHASE TWO APPROACH, WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN OUR BUDGET.
UM, ONE GOOD THING IS THAT THEY WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO SERVE SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES ON MAIN STREET AND ON WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD WITH EXTENSIONS OFF THE NEW ROUTE.
A SMALLER MAINE, 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA PUT IN A FOUR INCH MAINE, AND THEY COULD DO A MUCH SMALLER PIPE TO SERVICE SEVERAL OF THOSE BUSINESSES ON, UH, WHITE HERRITY BOULEVARD.
SO, UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE COUNCIL AWARD OR AMEND THE CONTRACT, UH, WHICH WOULD ALLOW A KIND OF DOING A PHASE ONE AND A PHASE TWO APPROACH FOR A MUCH, UH, BETTER SAVINGS OVERALL PROJECT COST.
UM, AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVE THE AMENDED AGREEMENT WITH DOMINION.
UH, I THINK WE'RE LEADING OFF WITH, UH, MR. CARROLL.
UM, MR. MAYOR, LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS ENOUGH.
THIS HAS BEEN YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS IN THE MAKING.
AND I KNOW MIKE'S PROBABLY LOST SOME
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CUT HAIR COLOR OVER THE YEARS, UM, TRYING TO, UH, WORK OUT WITH THIS.AND WE'RE FINALLY GETTING SOMEWHERE.
AND, UH, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY ENDORSE IT.
AND I KNOW OUR OLD BUDDY SAL, ZILLOW IS CLAPPING BECAUSE HE FOUGHT FOR THIS FOR, FOR A DECADE OR MORE.
SO, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I THINK JOHN SAID IT ALL.
IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S PART OF PROGRESS AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING.
AND, UH, I AGREE WITH WHAT JOHN SAID IN TERMS OF SOUND.
SOME FOLKS THAT HAVE WORKED A LONG TIME TO SEE THIS MOVE ALONG.
UM, I ECHO EVERYTHING THAT JOHN SAID, AND I THINK IT'S KUDOS TO MR. SYMBO AND EVERYBODY ELSE WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THIS VERY TEDIOUS PROJECT.
AND NOW TO FINALLY SEE IT COMING TO FRUITION.
I THINK THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING.
AND KUDOS TO YOU, MIKE, AND YOUR TEAM.
AND WHOEVER WAS INVOLVED IN IT, I THINK IT'S, IT'S JUST GREAT.
UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD, WE HAVE WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD PLANS.
WE HAVE A LOT THERE GOING THERE.
THE ADDITION OF GAS OPENS IT UP TO ALL SORTS OF NEW BUSINESSES.
WE HAVE SOME BUSINESSES THERE THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY FOR YEARS FOR GAS.
NOW WE CAN FINALLY OFFER THAT, UH, THAT POSSIBILITY TO 'EM.
I THINK THIS IS A FANTASTIC THING.
UH, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, AND I'M SURE IT WAS, MIGHT HAVE BEEN ANSWERED THE LAST TIME, BUT THE TOTAL COST OF THIS PROJECT IS 218,000.
WE'VE ALREADY CONTRIBUTED 112.
SO NOW THIS RESOLUTION CALLS FOR THE CITY TO, UM, ADD ANOTHER $105,000.
IS THAT CORRECT, MIKE? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT, SIR.
IS DOMINION PAYING ANYTHING FOR THIS? THEY PAY A, A SMALL PORTION AND THEN THEY RECOVER IT BY, UH, THE, THE CUSTOMERS.
THE CUSTOMERS THEY CALCULATE, THE CUSTOMER'S USE, THEY GET, THERE'S A CAPITAL CREDIT THAT'S ASSIGNED.
SO THEY, THEY HAVE SOME SMALL CONTRIBUTION.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY, THE WHOLE PHILOSOPHY ABOUT HOW THEY PUT NATURAL GAS IN HERE AND WHO PAYS FOR IT IS, IS KIND OF AN ANOMALY HERE.
BUT, BUT GENERALLY IT'S, IT'S THE USER PAYS MOST OF THE, UH, COST TO THE CAPITAL AND OBVIOUSLY THE INSTALLATION.
SO WE PAY FOR IT AND THEY COLLECT THE FEES.
SO WHAT, WHAT A GOOD SYSTEM, RIGHT? WOW.
IT'S A GOOD GIG IF YOU CAN GET IT RIGHT.
UH, AGAIN, IT'S LIKE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT.
I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE WITH, UH, SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING FOR FOR YEARS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
WE PUT IT IN THE BUDGET, IT'S GONNA BENEFIT THE CITY WITH, UM, ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES AND ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE IN THE FUTURE.
SO IT'S AN INVESTMENT IN THE FUTURE AS MUCH AS IT BAFFLES US.
UH, THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO ASK THE PUBLIC OR INVITE THE PUBLIC TO, UH, ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THIS PROJECT.
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO RESOLUTION.MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 2024 DASH SIX DASH 20 D.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.
[X. MANAGERS REPORT]
SIR.NEXT WEDNESDAY, UH, DECEMBER OR DECEMBER, BOY.
WHAT MONTH? WE'RE IN JUNE 26TH.
I GOTTA GO OUT AND DO MY CHRISTMAS SHOW.
MICHIGAN ON THE MINE, I GUESS.
JUNE 26TH, 11 O'CLOCK WE WILL BE HAVING A WORK WORKSHOP, TALK ABOUT, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE OLD CITY HALL AS WELL AS THE 2 78 CORRIDOR PLAN.
NEXT, UH, SATURDAY IS THE FOURTH ON MAIN SIX TO NINE.
SHOULD BE QUITE A CELEBRATION.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, WELCOME AGAIN.
MISS CINDY, OUR NEW CITY CLERK.
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UH, TO RESERVE ABOUT 10 MINUTES THAT SHE WANTED TO DO A SPEECH AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.SO SHE'S OFFICIALLY OF CITY CLERK.
I'LL HOPEFULLY BE THE FULL TIME.
REVERSE ALPHABETICAL ORDER AND START WITH MR. WHITE TONIGHT.
UM, A LITTLE PERSONAL STORY, 24 YEARS AGO WHEN I CAME DOWN HERE, THE BIGGEST ISSUE I HAD IN MY MIND WAS, UH, WHAT'S THE HEALTHCARE LIKE? CARE, BECAUSE I WAS A BALTIMORE BOY AND MAC, HE'S UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
[XI. COUNCIL ISSUES AND CONCERNS]
HE KNOWS ABOUT JOHNS HOPKINS AND THOSE PLACES.AND, UH, UNFORTUNATELY I FOUND OUT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WHAT THE HEALTHCARE'S LIKE HERE AT AN EMERGENCY MEDICALLY.
AND, UM, WENT OVER TO TIDE WATCH.
AND THEN I WENT UP TO, UH, THE, UH, HOSPITAL IN, UH, CHARLESTON.
CHARLESTON, UH, UNIVERSITY, UH, HOSPITAL.
AND I WAS UP THERE FOR THREE DAYS, WHICH IS SOMETHING'S GOING ON IF THEY KEEP YOU THREE DAYS IN THIS ENVIRONMENT.
AND, UH, I'M FEELING MUCH BETTER.
UH, THE ONLY ISSUE I HAD THEN AND NOW IS BALANCE.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE MY WALKER.
I CAN WALK WITHOUT IT, BUT I'M JUST BEING VERY CAUTIOUS THAT I DON'T, UH, SLIP AND HIT MY HEAD AND DAMAGE SOMETHING IN THE ROOM, UH, UH, WITH MY HEAD.
AND I APPRECIATE THE, ALL OF YOU REACHING OUT FOR ME AND THE GOOD WISHES AND PRAYERS AND THANK YOU.
AND, UH, THE HEALTHCARE IS HERE AND IT'S OUTSTANDING.
AND I, UH, SO MY QUESTION 24 YEARS AGO WAS REALLY THOROUGHLY ANSWERED LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.
THANK YOU, MR. WHITE, MR. MESMAN.
WELL, TONIGHT WE SHOWED WHAT GOOD GOVERNMENT WAS ALL ABOUT.
WE VETTED A COUPLE OF PROJECTS.
WE DISCUSSED THINGS THE WAY THEY NEED TO BE DISCUSSED.
WE MAY NOT ALWAYS AGREE, BUT WE STILL COME TO A CONCLUSION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
UM, AND I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT I SIT WITH THIS COUNCIL AND BO IF JOHN WON'T GIVE YOU A RIDE HOME, I'LL GIVE YOU, I DON'T WANNA SEE YOU WALK HOME TONIGHT.
MR. MAYOR, THE ONLY CHARGE ME $5 EACH WAY.
I DUNNO IF YOUR WALK WHEELS WILL SUBJECT YOUR HOME.
UH, LAST SATURDAY, OR WAS IT THE SATURDAY BEFORE? WE HAD A HURRICANE EXPO, UM, COLLABORATED WITH MARGARITAVILLE AND HILTON HEAD LAKES, AND, UH, THE MAYOR WAS INVITED.
AND I JUST WANNA TELL YOU, MR. MAYOR, THAT, UM, THE RESIDENTS WHO, UM, WERE AT THE EXPO VERY, UM, WERE THRILLED THAT YOU WERE THERE AND SAID A FEW WORDS.
UH, THEY WERE VERY EXCITED TO SEE A CITY OFFICIAL AT THIS VERY IMPORTANT EXPO.
AND, UM, UM, AND WE WERE ALL GLAD TO SEE YOU THERE.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT, UM, TO HELP OUR RESIDENTS.
AND ALSO, CHIEF WOODWARD WAS ONE OF THE PRESENTERS THERE.
AND, AND EVERYBODY THAT WAS THERE TO PRESENT AT THE, UH, EXPO, THEY DID A FANTASTIC JOB OF EDUCATING THE MARGARITAVILLE AND THE HILTON HEAD LAKES RESIDENTS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. MAYOR, FOR BEING THERE.
UM, AND THANK YOU STEVE ALSO FOR, FOR BEING ONE OF THE PRESENTERS.
AND ALSO THE MEDIA DEPARTMENT WAS THERE TO RECORD THE FIRST HALF OF THE, UH, EXPO, WHICH WILL BE THEN PUT TOGETHER AND THEN, UH, AND THEN DISSEMINATED TO ALL THE OTHER, UH, RESIDENTS AS, AS WE CAN DO IT.
SO, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
THEN WE'LL GO RIGHT TO MR. CARROLL FROM HERE.
I'LL, UM, JUST, UH, ECHO, UM, WHAT, UM, STEVE SAID EARLIER ABOUT, UM, GOOD GOVERNMENT AND SOME OF THESE THINGS I THINK THE PUBLIC IS SEEING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
IT'S NOT THAT IT WAS FORGOTTEN, IT'S JUST SO MANY OBSTACLES ALONG THE WAY, AND THAT WE'VE COME A LONG WAY AND GOTTEN AROUND SOME OF THOSE OBSTACLES AND SOME OF THAT YOU'RE SEEING TONIGHT.
AND I DO WANT TO CONCLUDE, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL SOME OF YOU FOLKS EVERY YEARS THAT WHEN YOU COME DOWN SOUTH, IT'S THE BEST.
AND SO BO FINALLY REALIZING THAT
'CAUSE YOU GOTTA GIVE HIM A RIDE.
I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW.
UH, FIRST I'M GONNA START WITH, WITH, UH, HAPPY STUFF AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY
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TO SAM WOODWARD LAST SUNDAY.AND IT'S COMING SUNDAY TO JOHN CARROLL.
SO HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO BOTH OF YOU.
LINCOLN
CONGRATULATIONS TO JOHN KEMP ON WINNING HIS PRIMARY IN HIS, UH, GOAL TO GET REELECTED IN NOVEMBER.
UM, ALSO, UM, I'D LIKE TO, UH, CONGRATULATE, UH, LATS.
I HAD SOME THINGS OFF MY SHOULDER.
THERE'S A NEW CHAIRMAN, WHICH IS, UM, MR. MIKE MCPHEE OF, UH, BEAUFORT.
AND THE VICE CHAIR IS DAN WOOD FROM THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON.
SO CONGRATULATE CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM AND CONGRATULATIONS TO ME FOR NOT BEING CHAIR ANYMORE.
UM, THE, UH, CONGRATULATIONS ALSO TO, UH, THE COMMITTEE WHO PUT TOGETHER THAT HURRICANE, UM, EXPO.
UM, AND THERE WAS A BIG AUDIENCE THERE TO BE, UM, TO LEARN FROM.
UH, ALSO WE WENT TO, I WENT TO THE BUFORT LEGISLATION, LEGISLATIVE RECEPTION IN PORT ROYAL.
UH, GOT A CHANCE TO TALK TO, UH, THE, THE LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES, INCLUDING BILL HAGER FROM, UH, JASPER AND SENATOR TOM DAVIS WAS THERE.
AND, UM, UH, WE HAD, UH, UM, MICHAEL RIVERS THERE.
UH, CHIP CAMPSEN, SENATOR CAMPSEN WAS THERE.
SO IT WAS A GOOD CROWD TO GET TO TALK TO, UH, UH, IN THE LOCAL AREA.
UH, ON SATURDAY NOTES, UH, I DID ATTEND, AND I THINK I, UH, ANNOUNCED THIS LAST MEETING, BUT I DID ATTEND THE, UH, VIEWING AND THEN THE FUNERAL FOR, UM, SAM JOHNSON, THE HUSBAND OF REVEREND VANESSA JOHNSON OF ST.
AND AGAIN, ONCE AGAIN, MY CONDOLENCES TO THEIR FAMILY.
UH, REVEREND JOHNSON GAVE A, A WONDERFUL EULOGY FOR HER HUSBAND.
UM, AND YESTERDAY, UH, MR. ZIBO AND NEIL AND I, WE DID A, UH, INTERVIEW OVER THE PHONE, UH, TO, WAS IT BUSINESS VIEW, MIKE? I THINK IT'S CALLED NATIONAL BUSINESS.
SO EXPECT A NICE ARTICLE ABOUT THE CITY OF HARVILLE COMING OUT IN THE FUTURE THERE.
UH, ALSO A WEEK, UH, GO TUESDAY, UH, THE MIKE AND I AND NEIL WENT TO COLUMBIA AND WE MET WITH THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK, UM, LOOKING FOR MONEY.
UM, BECAUSE ALL THE PROJECTS THAT THE BANK APPROVED IN 2019 AND 2020 ARE SUBSTANTIALLY OVER THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE.
SO, UM, THAT'S EXIT THREE, THE HILTON HEAD BRIDGES, AND THE FIVE OR SIX OTHER PROJECTS AROUND THE STATE THAT WERE APPROVED A FEW YEARS AGO.
UM, THERE'S MORE TO BE TOLD OF THAT STORY.
UM, AND I THINK I GOT EVERYTHING.
AND, UM, WE WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN.
[XII. ADJOURNMENT]
IT.