May 08, 2024 Planning Commission Meeting

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SESSION OF THE HARDEEVILLE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.

[I. CALL TO ORDER]

YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR THIS MEETING.

AND THANK YOU FOR THE INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE WORK IS COMING TO OUR AREA LORD.

[II. INVOCATION & PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

AND I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

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THANK YOU.

ALRIGHTY. FIRST OF ALL

[III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

EXCUSE ME. SORRY, CHAIR.

MR. CHAIR, IF YOU CAN MAKE SURE YOUR MICS ARE ON AND PULL DOWN.

THAT'S HARD TO BELIEVE.

DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT THIS MORNING THAT'S NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE US?

[IV. PUBLIC COMMENT]

OLD BUSINESS.

[V. OLD BUSINESS]

[A. MINUTES FROM APRIL 10, 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING]

I'LL SECOND.

IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. MOTION CARRIES.

I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN AS I WASN'T AT THE MEETING.

OKAY, WELL, WE GOT THREE.

THAT'S A QUORUM.

NEW BUSINESS FOR TODAY.

[VI. NEW BUSINESS]

[CONSIDERATION OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR PARCELS 079-00- 00-001, 079-00-00-002 & 079-00-00-003 KNOWN AS ENMARKET CONVENIENCE STORE AND FUTURE COMMERCIAL LOCATED AT 405 N OKATIE HIGHWAY (OKATIE CROSSINGS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT) ]

KATIE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OPENING.

I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

SO THIS IS AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR THE ENMARKET, CONVENIENCE STORE, AND FUTURE COMMERCIAL.

THERE WE GO.

LOCATED AT 405 NORTH OKATIE HIGHWAY IN THE OKATIE CROSSINGS PD.

26.6 ACRES.

THIS IS UNDER THE ORIGINAL PDD THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2008 AND MOST RECENTLY AMENDED IN 2021.

YOU CAN SEE THE SITE HERE.

CANTERFIELD. SORRY, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE, BUT CANTERFIELD ASSISTED LIVING IS HERE.

AND THIS IS WHERE THAT THE THREE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT WERE RECENTLY BUILT ON 170 ARE LOCATED WITH PAPA MURPHY'S AND OCHSNER HEALTH AND A COUPLE OTHERS. FROM THE SITE LOOKING AT 170.

CAN'T SEE IT, BUT CANTERFIELD'S RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE TREES.

AND THEN SORRY ABOUT THE BILLBOARD, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT THE SITE HERE THAT IS TO THE NORTH PART OF THIS APPLICATION. YOU CAN SEE IT'S KIND OF BEEN ABANDONED FOR A WHILE.

YEP. AND DOWN FURTHER SOUTH THIS IS WHERE THOSE THREE BUILDINGS ARE.

THIS SHOWS WHERE BAYLOR BROOK WILL CONNECT UP TO OKATIE CROSSINGS.

RIGHT THERE. SO THAT'LL BE THAT LOOP ROAD.

SO THIS WILL GIVE A GOOD CONNECTION FOR INTERNAL CIRCULATION.

HERE'S A BETTER VIEW WITH AH CANTERFIELD ASSISTED LIVING HERE.

170 HERE.

PALMER GRACE DOWN HERE.

THIS IS THE FUTURE NOBLE VINES MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND THEN RESIDENCES AT OKATIE CROSSINGS IS ON THIS SIDE.

SO THE 26.6 ACRES IS LOCATED IN HERE.

THE APPLICATION INCLUDES A 4800 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE CENTER, INCLUDING FUEL PUMPS AND A WASH ON THREE AND A HALF ACRES OF THE PROJECT, AND THEN THE REST WILL BE FOR FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AS PERMITTED UNDER THE OKATIE CROSSINGS PDT.

THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY REQUIRE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN PARCELS IN ORDER TO HELP PRESERVE, MAINTAIN AND ENHANCE THE EXISTING TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.

THIS DOES ALLOW AGAIN FOR THAT IMPORTANT EXTENSION OF BAYLOR BROOK DRIVE WHICH WILL ALLOW FOR THAT INTERNAL CIRCULATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

THE LAND USE ELEMENT DOES INCLUDE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH THE CROSSING SPEED IS AS IT INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL, OFFICE, MEDICAL, AND COMMERCIAL USES.

THE BUFFERS FROM HIGHWAY 170.

THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A 30 FOOT BUFFER FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, OR 50FT FROM THE EDGE OF THE THRU TRAVEL LANE, WHICHEVER IS GREATER.

THE APPLICANT ALSO PROPOSES NOT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING WITHIN THE 170 BUFFER.

HOWEVER, THE OAK CROSSINGS PD DOES REQUIRE A MINIMUM TEN FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO HIGHWAY 170, SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THAT

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BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AREA AND THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE PROPOSING A 15 FOOT PLANTED BUFFER.

THE APPLICATION INCLUDES A MINIMUM OF 20% OPEN SPACE.

THEY WILL MEET OR EXCEED THAT REQUIREMENT IN THE PDD, AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY IS PROPOSED NOT ONLY ALONG OKATIE CROSSING DRIVE, BECAUSE THE CITY IS WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A PATHWAY ALONG THAT, BUT ALSO POTENTIAL CONNECTION TO NOBLE VINES.

STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE AND THE APPLICANT WILL WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER TO TRY TO GET THAT CONNECTION THERE.

SO THEY ARE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR CONSIDERATION AND RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.

NEXT STEP WILL BE TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMITTING.

AGAIN, THE ONLY CONDITION THAT WE RECOMMEND BASED ON THE PDD IS THAT THE BUFFER CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PDD.

NATHAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND ADD ANYTHING OR INTRODUCE ANYONE FROM YOUR TEAM.

MORNING. MORNING.

MORNING. MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF PLANNING COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS NATHAN LONG.

I'M WITH THOMAS AND HUTTON ENGINEERING.

WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER FOR THIS IMP, CONSULTING WITH THEM.

SO TODAY I HAVE HERE WITH ME MR. DOUG CARROLL. HE'S THE PRESIDENT OF REAL ESTATE AT ENMARKET.

I THINK YOU ALL HAVE MET WILL EARLIER HERE.

AND WE ALSO HAVE JUST THE TEAMS MEETING JOHN HARTER WITH ATLANTIC TRAFFIC AND DESIGN.

AS KATIE MENTIONED, THE SITES HERE LOCATED OFF OF HIGHWAY 170.

THE PDD ITSELF, THE OKATIE CROSSING PDD IS MAJORITY COMMERCIAL LAND USES.

DOES HAVE SOME ANCILLARY MULTIFAMILY.

A COUPLE OF ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES AND THEN SOME MEDICAL OFFICE SPACE.

SO THIS IMP IS SPECIFICALLY LOCATED WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE PDD MASTER PLAN.

I THINK KATIE ALSO MENTIONED ABOUT 4800FT².

CONVENIENCE STORE IS HAS EIGHT MPD'S.

THE MPD'S ARE WHERE YOU CAN DISPENSE GAS OUT OF BOTH SIDES.

EACH ONE OF THOSE IS AN MPD.

SO IT'S GOING TO HAVE OBVIOUSLY THE UNDERGROUND FUEL AND THEN A CAR WASH IN THE BACK.

ENMARKET HAS ABOUT 131 STORES RIGHT NOW, IT'S A GROWING COMPANY.

I'VE SEEN THEM POPPING UP ALL OVER THE PLACES.

AND THEY ALSO HAVE 29 EATERY LOCATIONS MAINLY WITHIN OR ADJACENT TO THEIR STORES.

AND THAT INCLUDES SUBWAY, LARRY'S PALADINO'S, AND THEN THE FUZZY'S TACO SHOPS.

WE DID WORK WITH STAFF.

A LOT OF THE REVISIONS THAT WE HAD WERE RELATED TO THE BUFFER AND LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.

AS SHE SAID, WE DID WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND INVITE THE MULTIFAMILY GROUP NEXT DOOR TO, YOU KNOW, WALK, BE ABLE TO WALK TO THE STORE WITHOUT COMING ON TO OKATIE CROSSING DRIVE.

WE WANTED TO KIND OF GET THROUGH THIS APPROVAL, IF THAT IS ALLOWED, AND THEN APPROACH THAT GROUP AS CLERIC COMMUNITIES.

WE'VE ALSO WORKED WITH THEM.

THEY'RE OUT OF ATLANTA.

I DON'T THINK THEY'LL HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WORKING OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT CUTS THROUGH AND KIND OF HOW IT GOES BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS THERE.

AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAD FOR AN INTRODUCTION.

OBVIOUSLY, I'M SURE YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS AND WE HAVE THE PROJECT TEAM HERE TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS.

ALL RIGHT. START OUT WITH MR. FOREMAN. LET ME BEGIN BY SAYING I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH REGARD TO REQUIRING THE THE TEN FOOT LANDSCAPING.

IF IF IT WERE WITHIN OUR AUTHORITY, I WOULD RECOMMEND MORE, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS.

I KNOW THAT THAT YOU'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED AND ALLOWED UNDER THE PDD, BUT WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON WITH THE CONVENIENCE STORE, THE GAS STATION? AND I GUESS YOU'RE EVENTUALLY YOU'LL HAVE THESE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS.

YES, SIR. WELL, I'LL ASK DOUG TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THAT.

HE IS FAMILIAR WITH ENMARKET IN THEIR OPERATING.

HEY, GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING.

DOUG CARROLL WITH ENMARKET.

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WE USE THE OVERNIGHT PERIOD FOR, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CLOSE TO MEDICAL FACILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEIR SHIFT WORKERS.

BUT WE ALSO USE IT FOR STAFFING AND CLEANING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IT WOULD BE A 24 HOUR LOCATION.

WOULD THAT, WOULD THERE'S THERE'S OBVIOUSLY NO LIMITATION ON ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES IN TERMS OF HOURS.

IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S NONE THAT I'M AWARE OF.

CORRECT. WHERE IS THE CLOSEST CONVENIENCE STORE TO THIS? ENMARKET ACTUALLY HAS A LOCATION ON THE OTHER SIDE OF EAST SIDE OF 170, PROBABLY A MILE AWAY.

I FOUND THAT VERY INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, RIGHT WHEN I USED TO LIVE IN NEW YORK CITY, PEOPLE WOULD ALWAYS JOKE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD LEAVE A STARBUCKS AND WALK ACROSS THE STREET TO ANOTHER STARBUCKS.

WHY WOULD YOU HAVE A TWO CONVENIENCE STORES THAT CLOSE IN PROXIMITY? SURE. GREAT QUESTION.

OUR BUSINESS IS FUNDAMENTALLY, DRIVEN BY TRAFFIC, AND THE TRAFFIC VOLUME ON HIGHWAY 170 IS TREMENDOUS, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE BUSINESS IS THERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF CUSTOMERS THAT DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE LEFT TURN OVER TO OUR SITE.

AND SO BY PROVIDING A NEW OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO STOP WITH US ON THE WEST SIDE OF 170, WE FEEL THAT WE CAN HIT THE CUSTOMER, WHETHER THEY'RE COMING OR GOING, AND GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY.

AND DO YOU OWN THE BUILDING AND THE LAND FOR THE OTHER ENMARKET? CORRECT, WE DO. OKAY.

WELL, SO ESSENTIALLY, I MEAN, THE, I GUESS THAT'S ACTUALLY A TRAFFIC FEATURE THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE TURNING AROUND TO GO TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE.

WE COULD MAKE THAT CASE THAT THERE'S A SAFETY FEATURE TO HAVING THIS STORE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD.

IT'S THE FIRST THING I THOUGHT ABOUT.

I YOU KNOW..

I SAY THAT JOKINGLY, BUT BUT IN REALITY, YEAH, THE FEWER LEFT TURNS, PROBABLY THE BETTER FOR TRAFFIC ON 170, AND ULTIMATELY WE BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG 170 THAT WILL MAKE IT EVEN MORE DIFFICULT TO MAKE THAT MOVE.

AND SO BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND THE GROWTH IN THE AREA, WE BELIEVE THAT THERE'S DEMAND.

NOW, IT MAY NOT BE PERFECT DEMAND TODAY, BUT IN THE NEXT FIVE, TEN YEARS, WE KNOW THAT DEMAND IS GOING TO BE THERE.

YEAH I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR TRAFFIC STUDY OR YOU KNOW, I GUESS I ALWAYS HAVE THE QUESTION ON 170 OR FOR THAT MATTER, ARGENT OR 278 OR YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH TRAFFIC THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO ADD.

GROSS AMOUNTS OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC AND THAT IT'S UNSAFE.

BUT I YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY OR THE ABILITY TO RECOMMEND OR DO MUCH ABOUT THAT.

YEAH. BUT IN GENERAL, THEY'RE NOT A DESTINATION.

THEY'RE A STOP IN AND THEN GO ON TO WHEREVER YOU WERE PLANNING TO GO.

WELL, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I MEAN, IT ADDS A LOT TO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT ADDS TO THE TRAFFIC.

AND THEN I THINK ABOUT THREE FAST FOOD LOCATIONS, WHICH I WAS I DON'T QUESTION THE TRAFFIC STUDY IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THAT PROVIDES, BUT I WAS SURPRISED THAT IT WASN'T MORE.

SO TO BE CLEAR, WE WILL HAVE AN EATERY, WHICH IS OUR PROPRIETARY FOOD SERVICE BRAND WE WILL NOT HAVE, WHEN NATHAN LISTED ALL THOSE BRANDS, THOSE ARE JUST WITHIN OUR PORTFOLIO. WE WON'T HAVE A SUBWAY HERE.

WE WILL NOT HAVE A FUZZY'S TACO SHOP HERE.

IT WILL BE AN ENMARKET WITH AN EATERY WITHIN THE SAME WALLS.

THEY WON'T EVEN BE DEMISED SEPARATELY.

IT'LL BE ONE BUILDING WITH FOUR WALLS, NO DEMISING ON THE INTERIOR.

THAT'S MY QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT, RICH. THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND MAKE ACCESS TO THE FACILITIES BEHIND IT, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT THE GOOD NEIGHBOR WANTS THEY MIGHT WANT ACCESS TO YOU, BUT THEY MIGHT NOT WANT THAT EASY ACCESS FROM THE STORE AT TWO IN THE MORNING [INAUDIBLE] MIGHT, THEY MIGHT FEEL SAFER IF THAT'S NOT THERE.

I MIGHT WOULD ASK.

BUT I CAN SEE WHERE IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A PROBLEM YOU REALLY WOULDN'T WANT, I KNOW THEY WANT TO GO TO A CONVENIENCE STORE, BUT I'D BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING IT TOO EASY TO ACCESS THAT PROPERTY FROM THAT STORE.

THAT'S MY CONCERN.

YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION THERE, RICHARD.

I THIS IS A GATED COMMUNITY.

SO TYPICALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THERE IS YOU'D HAVE A PEDESTRIAN GATE AS WELL SO THAT NOT JUST ANYONE COULD WALK IN, BUT IT WOULD BE.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY MAY NOT WANT, THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T APPROACHED THEM YET.

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IF EVERYONE WANTS IT, WE WILL PURSUE IT.

BUT THE DETAILS HAVEN'T BEEN WORKED OUT, SO.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT. THEY MAY NOT WANT THAT COMPONENT OF IT.

I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY CAN COME OUT TO THE ROAD, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SIDEWALK ALONG THE ROAD.

IT'S JUST IT WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, WITH THEM NOT COMING OUT ONTO THE MAIN STREET.

WELL THAT AND IF YOU'RE IN THE UPPER QUADRANT OF NOBLE VINES, IT WOULD BE HALF THE DISTANCE IF YOU HAD A PATH THERE. SO YEAH, I SEE THE GOOD AND BAD OF THAT.

AND THERE IS AN ACCESS ROAD, IF I RECALL, RIGHT BETWEEN THE NOBLE VINES PROPERTY AND THE ENMART GAS STATION.

RIGHT? NO, THE ONLY CONNECTION IS THE OKATIE CENTER DRIVE FOR VEHICULAR ACCESS.

I THOUGHT THEY HAD. I THOUGHT, OKAY, MY MISTAKE.

ANYTHING ELSE, RICH? NO, SIR. JEFF.

THE BIGGEST CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT THIS IS THE CAR WASH.

IS THE CAR WASH OPERATE 24 HOURS A DAY.

AND PARTICULARLY IT'S THE NOISE FROM THE DRYING BLOWERS.

WE'RE TALKING PROBABLY 90DB ON THOSE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING 10:00 AT NIGHT, SOMEBODY DECIDES THEY WANT THEIR CAR WASHED.

AND THE PEOPLE OVER AT OKATIE PINES OR THE PEOPLE ADJACENT TO IT IN THE BUILDING OF THE APARTMENT GOT TO LISTEN TO THESE THINGS RUNNING.

IS THERE A WAY TO RESTRICT THAT? AND MAYBE WE HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PRECLUDE THEM BEING ABLE TO RUN THE...

24 HOURS. THE DRYERS, 24 HOURS A DAY.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT.

SO WE OPERATE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF CAR WASHES IN OUR BUSINESS.

ONE IS A ROLLOVER OR AN IN-BAY AUTOMATIC.

THINK OF THE TYPE OF SMALLER BUILDING ACTUALLY ACROSS THE STREET ON THE EAST SIDE.

THAT'S WHAT THAT IS, YOU PULL YOUR CAR IN, YOU PUT IT IN PARK, CAR WASH MACHINE MOVES OVER YOUR CAR.

THEN YOU HAVE WHAT WE CALL A TUNNEL WASH.

AND THAT'S WHERE YOU PULL INTO A LONGER TUNNEL, PUT THE CAR IN NEUTRAL, AND THE CONVEYOR PULLS YOU THROUGH THE TUNNEL AND WASHES YOUR CAR THAT WAY.

THIS WILL BE A CONVEYOR WASH, A TUNNEL WASH, AND THE HOURS FOR THOSE, BECAUSE IT'S MANNED IS TYPICALLY 8 TO 8.

DURING THE SUMMERTIME WHEN THE HOURS CHANGE, WE'LL CLOSE AT SIX, SO IT WILL NOT BE 24 HOURS, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THIS WILL BE A TUNNEL WASH WITH WORKING HOURS AND ATTENDANTS ON DUTY.

OKAY, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR BECAUSE I COULD SEE THE NOISE BEING A REAL ISSUE WITH THE BLOWERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD.

THANK YOU. THANKS.

THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION.

I HAVE TWO.

ONE, ARE THERE CONCERNS ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO LIVE IN THE BUILDINGS ON THE EAST SIDE OF NOBLE VINES? THERE ARE NO CONCERNS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE LIGHT TRESPASS.

SO WE LOOK AT HOW THE DIRECTION OF THE LIGHTING AND THE CANDLE LEVELS AND EVERYTHING ELSE DURING SRC.

THAT WOULD BE IN OUR NEW ZONING ORDINANCE, WOULDN'T IT? CORRECT. INCORRECT.

ANCHOR. WELL, AND OUR OLD ONE.

BUT. YES. YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. THE LAST QUESTION IS JUST WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS FOR THE SEGMENT OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF BAYLOR? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING IN MIND THERE, OR IS THAT JUST GOING TO BE SUBDIVIDED AND SOLD OFF TO COMMERCIAL FOLKS? YES RIGHT NOW, MARK, THERE'S NOT ANY DEFINED PLANS THERE.

SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO OTHER THAN IT'LL BE THE COMMERCIAL ALLOWED USES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE PDD.

OKAY. THERE IS, I ASSUME, AND THERE'S A POTENTIAL YOU WOULD SELL THAT OFF TO SOMEBODY ELSE IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUILD A HOTEL OR A MEDICAL COMPLEX OR SOMETHING.

CLARIFY, THE ENMARKET OWNS THESE PROPERTIES, AND ALSO THE PARCEL DIRECTLY SOUTH ON OKATIE CROSSING DRIVE, RIGHT BETWEEN BETWEEN SHERWIN-WILLIAMS AND AND PAPA MURPHY'S.

ACTUALLY, IT'S JUST THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE.

THE REST OF THIS.

AND THIS IS OWNED BY HORN DEVELOPMENT, WHO OWNS THE WHOLE PDD.

SO ENMARKET OWNS A LITTLE BIT OF THIS HERE, BUT THIS APPLICATION WAS FOR ENMARKET, BUT WITH PERMISSION FROM HORN TO INCLUDE THIS AREA.

SO HORN STILL OWNS THE SOUTH AND WEST SEGMENT OF THIS.

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OKAY.

SO WE WILL SEE THAT AGAIN IN SOME FUTURE MASTER PLAN.

NO, NO, THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD ALLOW THE FUTURE COMMERCIAL IN THIS AREA TO BE DEVELOPED UNDER THE RESTRICTIONS OF THE PDD AND INITIAL MASTER PLAN HERE.

WE WON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE.

THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH OKATIE OR EAST ARGENT FOR SO WE KNEW THAT PARKER'S WAS GOING TO DEVELOP AND THEY DID.

THEY HAD ADDITIONAL LAND FOR FUTURE COMMERCIAL.

SAME WITH THE FREESTANDING E.R..

THEY HAVE YOU KNOW, THEY KNEW THAT THEY HAD THE FIRST ONE, BUT THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL MEDICAL AND OFFICE.

SO THEY PLANNED FOR THE FUTURE.

AND IT HELPS TIE IN THIS INFRASTRUCTURE AND THIS ROAD CONNECTION THAT WE REALLY NEED WITH THIS SO.

THANK YOU. ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS? COMMISSION. YOU SAID YOU'RE, YOU HAVE PERMISSION FROM HORN.

YES. WHAT EXACTLY IS IT THAT THE PERMISSION IS AND WELL, SINCE THEY OWN THE LAND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION FOR A MASTER PLAN APPROVAL.

SO BOTH OF THEM HAVE TO AGREE, RIGHT? IT'S THEIR LAND. SO IS THAT AND HOW IS THAT DOCUMENTED IN WRITING OR YES.

YES, WE WHAT WE DO TYPICALLY IS GET A PERMISSION TO SUBMIT LETTER FROM THE LANDOWNERS AND PROVIDE IT TO THE CITY.

IT'S ALSO DESCRIBED IN THE SHOULD BE IN THE PDD OR THE IMP TEXT.

JEFF, THIS WAS A MECHANISM TO GATHER ENOUGH LAND TOGETHER TO PUT TOGETHER A MASTER PLAN, SO THEY HAD TO BUNDLE ENOUGH PROPERTY THAT IT MET THE CRITERIA THAT PLANNING.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO, IT'S A IT'S A LEGAL VESSEL, I GUESS, MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

WELL, I GUESS, THIS IS SORT OF A EXTRANEOUS QUESTION, BUT I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE SUBMITTED FOR YOUR DEVELOPMENT THERE AND NOT FOR THE OTHER PORTION.

THERE'S A MINIMUM ACREAGE REQUIREMENT TO I SEE.

OKAY. SO WE HAD TO REACH OUT AND GRAB SOME MORE PROPERTY TO MEET THAT.

I SEE OKAY. YES SIR.

ANY OTHER, FOLLOW ON.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION?

[PUBLIC COMMENT]

THERE IS A CONDITION WITH A CONDITION WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE TEN FOOT BUFFER ZONE ALONG 150 BE MAINTAINED PER THE ORIGINAL PDD.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU FOLKS.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

YOU'RE UP. WHAT AM I TALKING ABOUT? WHITE HARDEEVILLE.

[VII. PLANNING MANAGER’S REPORT]

WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD.

OH, GOOD. THANK YOU.

[A. WHYTE HARDEE BOULEVARD IMPLEMENTATION UPDATE]

I DID A PRESENTATION THE OTHER EVENING ON THE CONSULTANT.

SO COUNCIL DID APPROVE, DID VOTE TO APPROVE US ENTERING INTO A CONTRACT WITH THIS FIRM, SO I WILL, I THINK SOMETHING. OKAY.

SO WHITE HARDEE BOULEVARD IMPLEMENTATION.

WE THE STUDY AREA OF THIS FIRST PHASE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS FROM THE POST OFFICE, WHICH IS GARR DOWN TO DEERFIELD, WHICH IS THAT AWKWARD 321 INTERSECTION.

SO IT DOES THAT LITTLE CURVE AREA THERE AND THAT INTERSECTION.

AND WE WILL ALSO COME ON MAIN STREET UP TO MARTIN STREET, ROUGHLY, AND JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE THE INTERSECTION BEFORE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.

EXCUSE ME, RAILWAY TRACK.

THE TYPES OF THINGS INCLUDED IN HERE, EXISTING CONDITIONS, MINIMAL SIDEWALKS RIGHT NOW.

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LOTS OF THROUGH TRAFFIC.

OUR HOPE IS TO BE ABLE TO CALM SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC CREATE EXTENDED SIDEWALKS.

MAKE THEM WIDER, MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND ADD STREET TREES AND SOME PARKING.

THOSE ARE BIG THINGS.

AS WELL AS THE REALIGNMENT OF 321 INTERSECTION SO THAT IT IS NOT SO AWKWARD AND A LOT SAFER.

WE HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS OUT THERE.

AND THEN FINALLY, THE GOAL IS ADDED STREET TREES TO BOTH SIDES.

INFILL DEVELOPMENT, MAKE IT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.

MAKE IT A PLACE, A DESTINATION.

AND IN DOING SO WITH ALL OF THIS, IT'S GOING TO CALM THAT TRAFFIC.

SO KIMLEY-HORN IS THE ENGINEERS THAT WE WE ARE WORKING WITH.

THEY'RE EXAMINING ROAD CONDITIONS, TRAFFIC PATTERNS, NEW PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, PREVIOUSLY PERFORMED TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS, NOT JUST ONE, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US SOME OPTIONS.

WITH COST ESTIMATES.

INTERSECTION CAPACITY ANALYSIS, CRASH ANALYSIS, CONCEPTUAL ROADWAY DESIGN WITH THAT VERY IMPORTANT STORM WATER STRIPING AND PEDESTRIAN ELEMENTS AS INDICATED IN THE WHITE HARDEE BOULEVARD MASTER PLAN.

YOU HEAR US TALK ABOUT BULB OUTS AND OTHER THINGS AS ARE SO PEDESTRIANS CAN GET THERE AND MAKE IT EASIER AND SAFER TO CROSS.

THEY ALSO WILL INCLUDE SOME SOME MEETINGS AND COORDINATION, AND THEY'RE NOT TO EXCEED $185,000 IS WHAT COUNCIL VOTED ON.

SO WE'RE VERY PLEASED TO SAY THAT COUNCIL DID APPROVE THIS STUDY AREA.

WE ARE WORKING ON THE CONTRACT CURRENTLY WITH THEM WITH KIMLEY-HORN.

AND THEY ARE ALSO SAID THEY ARE VERY EXCITED TO START AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

SO IT, THIS MONEY WAS BUDGETED FOR HAS BEEN BUDGETED FOR AND SOME OF ITS ARPA MONEY THAT WE WILL CERTAINLY GET SPENT BEFORE THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

USE IT OR LOSE IT. SO THAT'S IT.

REAL QUICK, REAL SIMPLE.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY JUST PUTTING MORE MEAT ON THE BONES THAT WE HAD IN THE WHITE HARDEEVILLE STUDY WE DID TWO YEARS AGO.

WELL, THAT'S JUST A PLAN.

THIS IS ACTUALLY THE TEETH THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY USING THE IMPLEMENTATION AND STARTING THE WORK.

THE MAYOR EVERY, EVERY WEEK TELLS ME HE WANTS TO SEE.

THINGS HAPPENING OUT THERE AND THIS WILL BE THE FIRST BIG EVENT.

THERE'S ALSO SOME PRIVATE INVESTORS THAT ARE LOOKING AT SOME PROPERTY UP IN THAT AREA.

WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY'RE WANTING TO BUILD IN KEEPING WITH WHAT OUR PLANS ARE FOR WHITE HARDEE AT BOULEVARD ALSO.

SO WE'RE FINALLY GETTING IT IMPLEMENTED AND WORKING.

ALL RIGHT. BUT THERE'S NO ENGINEERING IN HERE FOR THE THE LANDSCAPING HURDLES WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN WHITE HARDEE BOULEVARD [INAUDIBLE] TRAFFIC.

THE STREET TREES AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS ARE IN HERE.

CONCRETE CURBING AND ALL THAT IS IN THIS THING FOR 185 K? THIS IS THE ENGINEERING.

YES, SIR. WE WENT OUT AND GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT BIDS AND THIS WAS WHAT WE CAME BACK WITH.

THIS IS WHEN THE COUNCIL AND STAFF WORKED.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

VERY EXCITING. YES.

REAL GOOD. AND THAT INTERSECTION IS TERRIBLE.

IT IT IS.

ONE OF MANY.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

I'M PARTICULARLY PLEASED THAT MARK THOUGHT THAT WAS A LOT OF SERVICES FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.

THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF CONFIDENCE THAT HAVING WORKED FOR AN ENGINEERING COMPANY, WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR 185 K.

LET ME, LET ME ELABORATE ON THAT.

THEY WORK WITH US A LOT.

THEY'RE DOING SEVERAL STUDIES FOR US RIGHT NOW.

SOME OF THE WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE AND ACCOMPLISHED.

IT HAND IN HAND WITH THE WIDENING OF I-95 BECAUSE THIS IS A ROUTE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO BE USING WHITE HARDEE BOULEVARD A LOT DURING THAT TIME.

SO THERE'S SOME BACKGROUND WORK THAT PLAYS INTO THAT COST FACTOR AS WELL.

SO WE ALREADY BOUGHT IT.

WE'VE ALREADY GOT A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT.

YEAH. WE GET THE NEXT.

[B. CODE ENFORCEMENT REPORT]

COOL. GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING. I'M GOING TO GO OVER SOME CODE ENFORCEMENT.

[00:35:02]

WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO START DOING THESE MORE REGULARLY FOR YOU GUYS.

YOU SKIPPING THROUGH.

OKAY. SO SO FAR IN THE FIRST QUARTER SINCE JANUARY WE HAVE DONE APPROXIMATELY 60 WARNINGS ISSUED FOR DIFFERENT VARIOUS ZONING CODE VIOLATIONS WITHIN THE CITY.

THOSE ARE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN DIRECTLY GIVEN FROM OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

OF THOSE 60, 21 OF THOSE CASES, 21 OF THOSE RESULTED IN GOING TO COURT DUE TO FAILURE TO COMPLY.

WITH THE ORDINANCE AND REPEAT OFFENSES ON THE SAME.

SAME THING. SO LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, THE LARGE SHED WITHOUT A PERMIT.

THEY'RE REQUIRED TO COME ONCE WE SEE THAT THEY'VE PUT A SHED ONTO A PIECE OF LAND WITHOUT A PERMIT, THEY HAVE TO, THEY GET A WARNING, THEY HAVE TO COME IN AND GET IT PERMITTED.

IF THEY FAIL TO COME IN TO DO THAT, IT RESULTS IN ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL FINES AND THEN COURT.

SO IN SUMMARY, SOME OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES THAT WE'VE HAD ARE TREE REMOVALS WITHOUT PERMITS.

RVS PARKED OUTSIDE OF RV PARKS, THE SHEDS.

BUSINESSES HAVE MOVED IN WITHOUT ZONING PERMITS.

WE'VE HAD SOME GARAGES THAT WERE CONVERTED TO LIVING SPACES WITHOUT PERMITS, SIGNS BEING INSTALLED WITHOUT PERMITS, AND VIOLATION OF LAND DISTURBANCE PERMITS IN REGARDS TO EROSION CONTROL.

AND JUST AN EXAMPLE.

HERE. THEY DON'T HAVE THE FILTER FABRIC, SO IT ALLOWS SILT TO RUN IN AND CLOG UP THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM, AS WELL AS THE DEBRIS COVERING THE TOP OF THE DRAINS. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THOSE FOR PROPER SO THAT THE SILT DOESN'T GET DOWN TO THE DRAIN SYSTEM, AND IN THIS EXAMPLE, HERE IS WHERE THEY TECHNICALLY SHOULD HAVE HAD A GRAVEL DRIVE IN SINCE THEY WERE TAKING CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS IN AND OUT, AS WELL AS SILT FENCING ON THE SIDE, SO IT DIDN'T RUN OUT INTO THE STREET.

AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN ILLEGAL TREE REMOVAL WITHOUT A PERMIT THAT ENDED UP THAT COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY ENDED UP IN THE COURT SYSTEM.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE REQUIREMENT FOR A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT? WHAT CAUSES, WHAT TRIGGERS IT? SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO HAVE A TREE REMOVED FROM THEIR PROPERTY, THE FIRST STEP IS TO CONTACT THE CITY.

WE GO OUT AND DO AN INSPECTION TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT A PROTECTED TREE.

IF IT TURNS OUT TO BE PROTECTED, WHICH WOULD BE HARD, ANY HARDWOOD EXCEPT FOR WATER OAK, WATER OAK PINES, AND SWEETGUMS ARE THE ONLY THREE THAT WE CAN REALLY APPROVE AT STAFF LEVEL.

ANYTHING AFTER THAT THAT THEY WANT REMOVED.

IF IT'S NOT DISEASED, THEY CAN THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.

SO IN A CASE LIKE THIS WHERE THEY'VE GONE AND DONE ILLEGAL TREE REMOVAL, THEY'RE TYPICALLY FIND THEY CAN EITHER PAY THE FINE, THEY CAN GO TO COURT TO SEE ABOUT GETTING IT REDUCED. AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO MITIGATE IF IT IF THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TREE COVERAGE ON THE PROPERTY.

SO WE DO MAKE THEM REPLANT.

AND IN SOME CASES IF IT'S A LARGER TREE, THEY MAY HAVE TO REPLANT THREE TREES TO REPLACE THE ONE THAT THEY TOOK DOWN.

NOW WAS THIS PARTICULAR PICTURE A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

SO I DIDN'T READ TOO MUCH DETAIL.

YEAH, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT YOU HAD MINIMUM TREE COVERAGE ON YOUR OWN PERSONAL LOT.

OKAY. YEAH.

CONTAINERS, DOES THAT FALL UNDER THIS? IT WOULD.

YES, WE HAVE IN THE PAST MONTH ISSUED AROUND THREE SHIPPING CONTAINER PERMITS THAT ARE ALLOWED IN SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION AREAS, BUT ANY OF THE ONES THAT HAVE POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS.

OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THOSE FOLKS AND REPORTING BACK TO BRIANNA ABOUT THEM.

AND I'M NOT ABOUT SHIPPING CONTAINERS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE HEARD ABOUT YOUR NEW CERTIFICATION.

I THINK YOU NEED TO TELL THEM.

SO IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS, I'VE GOTTEN CEPSCI CERTIFICATION, WHICH ALLOWS ME TO REVIEW STORM WATER OUT IN THE FIELD AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

BUT I ALSO DID GET THE SOUTH CAROLINA LANDSCAPE CERTIFICATION.

SO IT ADDS ANOTHER LAYER.

IT ALLOWS ME TO GO OUT AND SEE I CAN MORE TREE IDENTIFICATION WHEN I GO OUT.

AND, I CAN IDENTIFY SOME OF THEM THAT MAY BE DISEASED, AT STAFF LEVEL, BUT WE DO STILL REQUIRE AN ARBORIST REPORT JUST FOR ADDITIONAL BACKUP.

SO WE DO I DO HAVE THAT CERTIFICATION NOW.

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OH, YEAH. YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO NOT. ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN THERE WAS KATIE.

I MADE EVERYBODY SPEAK TODAY.

[C. CURRENT PLANNING PROJECTS UPDATE]

THINGS GOING THROUGH STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE SINCE THINGS HAVE GONE THROUGH SINCE WE LAST SPOKE.

FOR NEW REVIEWS.

MORE PHASES OF SUNSET AT EAST ARGENT.

THE GARDEN BOULEVARD AMENITIES, WHICH ARE ANOTHER AMENITY CENTER.

IN THE HILTON HEAD LAKES AREA.

AND THEN THERE'S A COMPANY CALLED ON-SITE WASTE, WHICH SOUNDS WORSE THAN IT IS.

COMING TO OUR INDUSTRIAL PARK IS ACTUALLY A RECYCLING COMPANY THAT DOESN'T TYPICALLY HAVE TO TAKE STUFF TO THE YARD BECAUSE THEY ARE DISPOSING OF IT APPROPRIATELY ELSEWHERE.

BUT THEY DO HAVE NOW AN OFFICE AND A AND SOME STORAGE OF VEHICLES AND WHATNOT IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, THE OLDER FACILITY THERE.

BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

OUR COMMERCE PARK, ON THE OTHER HAND, HAS SEVERAL SITES UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT'S PROGRESS.

AND THERE IS A ROAD RIBBON CUTTING LATER THIS MONTH.

HAVE YOU FIXED THE ROAD NEXT TO RICHARDS PLACE YET? THAT'S OUT OF MY AREA.

SO THE THE OLD STATION 82 LOW COUNTRY VETS IS GOING TO BE OCCUPYING IT, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T DRIVEN BY IT IS GETTING A PAINT JOB, AND IT LOOKS VERY NICE.

AND THEN SITES THAT HAVE STARTED CONSTRUCTION NOTABLE SITES.

ANOTHER PHASE IN THE RETREAT AT EAST ARGENT THAT DR.

HORTON COMMUNITY PHASE FOUR ALREADY.

SO THEY'RE JUST MOVING RIGHT ALONG AND JUBILEE'S PERMANENT CAMPUS FOR THE CHARTER SCHOOL.

THEY'VE STARTED WORK TOWARDS MAKING THAT PERMANENT FACILITY HAPPEN SO WE CAN GET RID OF THE TEMPORARY FACILITY, HOPEFULLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

AND THEN SOME OTHER THINGS, THE PIPELINE HAS BEEN UPDATED AS OF THIS MORNING, SO I WILL GET THAT TO YOU IN AN EMAIL AFTER THIS MEETING.

AND THEN, BRIANNA AND I DID ATTEND THE NATIONAL CONFERENCE FOR THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION.

I HAD NEVER BEEN AND HAD BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS SINCE SHE HAD.

SO WE SPENT A WEEKEND IN MINNESOTA LEARNING ALL KINDS OF HOUSING AND POLICY AND ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY, SOME LAND USE STUFF.

ETHICS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WAS A BIG TOPIC.

YEAH. SO SO WE DID GET THAT IN AND ALSO WE'VE BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF TIME I KNOW TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS A CONCERN.

WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH MULTIPLE DEVELOPERS, GETTING DEVELOPERS THAT ARE NEARBY IN THE SAME ROOM.

AND THE COUNT, THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT BOTH BEAUFORT AND JASPER COUNTY INVOLVED IN MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S TALKING AND WORKING TOGETHER AND USING THE SAME DATA SO THAT I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT STEP.

IT'S, WE'VE BEEN, LIKE I SAID, SPENDING A LOT OF TIME WITH THAT, BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

SO HOPEFULLY AS WE KEEP MOVING FORWARD, THIS IS GOING TO HELP THE COORDINATION WITH THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.

SO VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

AND THAT IS WHAT I HAVE.

THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN THE LAST MONTH.

ARE YOU READY TO TELL US YET WHERE THE NEW STATION 82 IS GOING TO BE? YOU KEEP HOLDING THAT LITTLE SECRET BACK.

WE'RE NOT SECRET. WE'RE NOT HOLDING IT A SECRET.

AND IT IS, IT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE EXISTING 82, OBVIOUSLY FOR REASONS YEAH.

MAKING SURE THAT IT IT HAS THE SAME SERVICE AREA AND ALL OF THAT.

THERE ARE SOME LEGAL ISSUES WE'RE WORKING ON, ON ROADWAYS AND ACCESS AND WE ARE CLOSER EVERY DAY.

RIGHT NOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT THIS MORNING WITH SOME OF OUR FOLKS.

WE ARE WAITING ON AN ATTORNEY, SO THAT'S NOT A BAD THING, TO GIVE US SOME INFORMATION.

SO AS SOON AS, YOU'LL SEE THAT APPLICATION FIRST FOR THE ANNEXATION AND ZONING.

SO WE WILL LET YOU KNOW.

SO IT'S NOT IN THE CITY TODAY.

NOT TODAY.

ALL RIGHT. WHAT ABOUT I SEE WE'RE TEARING DOWN THE..

OLD CITY HALL.. ON MARTIN STREET.

YES. OKAY.

WE'RE NOT TEARING IT DOWN, AND..

I SAW A BOBCAT, LIKE, PARKED IN FRONT OF THE FRONT DOOR, LOADING IT UP AND LOADING THE DUMPSTER.

YEAH, THEY'RE COMPLETELY GUTTING THE BUILDING.

AND I'M NOT THE BEST PERSON TO SPEAK TO ALL THE DETAILS, BUT THERE WAS A A BIG INFESTATION IN THAT BUILDING.

[00:45:07]

YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE SOME OF THE..

CRITTERS.. ANIMALS.

AND THERE HAD BEEN A COUPLE OF FIRES IN THAT BUILDING HISTORICALLY.

SO AS THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST USE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING OUR SPACE NEEDS STUDY RIGHT NOW.

THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN BEEN PRESENTED AND WE THE CITY IS OUT OF SPACE, WE'RE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AND SO THEY ARE LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE VETERANS PARK AND TB CARROLL PARK AND SOME OTHER THINGS. SO THERE'S A LOT GOING ON OVER THERE.

BUT YEAH, THE PUBLIC WORKS TOOK ON THAT DEMOLITION AND THEY'RE GUTTING THE BUILDING IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

I WOULD THINK LEVELING WAS THE BETTER OPTION, BUT OKAY.

LOTS GOING ON WITH THAT TOO.

SO. I DON'T THINK SO AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, GUYS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION? ALL RIGHT.

[VIII. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS]

SO MOVED. SECOND.

[IX. ADJOURNMENT]

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.