A. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO AMEND CHAPTER 2, “ADMINISTRATION” OF THE HARDEEVILLE CODE OF ORDINANCES BY ESTABLISHING A HISTORICAL COMMITTEE (2024-4-18A) PUBLIC HEARING

[A. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO AMEND CHAPTER 2, “ADMINISTRATION” OF THE HARDEEVILLE CODE OF ORDINANCES BY ESTABLISHING A HISTORICAL COMMITTEE (2024-4-18A) PUBLIC HEARING]

A HISTORICAL COMMITTEE.

FINALLY, THIS IS ORDINANCE 2024.

DASH FOUR DASH 18 A MR. CZYMBOR, PLEASE. YES.

THANK YOU SIR. SO I WAS ASKED BY THE MAYOR TO BRING FORTH AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING AN HISTORICAL COMMISSION BECAUSE HISTORY IS OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

SO MISS PRINA DID A LOT OF RESEARCH AND LOOKED AT OTHER COMMUNITIES IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND PROPOSED A DRAFT WHICH WOULD ESTABLISH A HISTORICAL COMMITTEE SIMILAR TO LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND OTHER COMMITTEES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY.

I'M SORRY, I KNOW IT'S A COMMITTEE.

RIGHT. BUT YEAH, BUT IT'S IT'S MODELED AFTER YOUR REC COMMISSION AND THEN THE LIBRARY.

RIGHT, AS WELL. SO IT'S KIND OF MODELED THAT WAY.

SO BASICALLY, OBVIOUSLY THE CODE WOULD BE AMENDED, ESTABLISH IT, THE COMMITTEE, IT GIVES THE, THE MEMBERSHIP, IT TALKS ABOUT ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, KEEPING OFFICIAL MINUTES.

MR. DAVIS, WHO HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN HIS FORMER JOB, EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS AND HE WANTED HE'S NOT HERE.

HE'S ON VACATION THIS WEEK, BUT HE WANTED ME TO EXPRESS THE CONCERNS TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN HISTORICAL HISTORICAL COMMITTEE AND HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND THE POWERS AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

HE WAS CONCERNED, OBVIOUSLY, ABOUT THE DEDICATION OF STAFF TIME AS WELL AS THE SIGNIFICANT RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THIS HISTORICAL COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE WOULD OVERTAKE.

SO HE WANTED THE COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDER THE PASSAGE OF THIS ORDINANCE BUT WE'RE RECOMMENDING ADOPTION AT FIRST READING UNLESS THE COUNCIL HAS CONCERNS, QUESTIONS, OR WANTS TO TAKE SOME MORE TIME TO STUDY THE RAMIFICATIONS OF ESTABLISHING THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE.

MR. CZYMBOR COULD YOU DID MR. DAVIS CLARIFY WHAT HIS CONCERNS ARE? OTHER. THAT WAS PRETTY PRETTY BROAD STATEMENT.

IS THERE A SPECIFICS THAT HE'S HE HE WAS GOING TO AND I MISS KNOWN CAN COME UP WITH I KNOW I KNOW HE TALKED TO HER ABOUT IT.

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BUT HISTORICAL COMMISSIONS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AND OTHER STATES HAVE VERY BROAD AUTHORITIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

THERE'S THERE'S ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.

THERE'S ALL KINDS OF AUTHORITIES THEY HAVE RELATING TO YOU KNOW, OF A BUILDING IS RENOVATED AND BUILT AND AND THEN OBVIOUSLY SO HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT OBVIOUSLY MAYBE GIVING A EITHER WE WEREN'T READY OR GIVING THAT COMMITTEE, NOT COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH RESPONSIBILITY OR AUTHORITY AND THEN BE HE WAS OBVIOUSLY CONCERNED ABOUT ANOTHER COMMITTEE WHICH HAD TO BE STAFFED BY PROBABLY PLANNING COMMITTEE, PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF MEMBERS.

SO ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, COMMITTEE WITH A LOT, A LOT MORE WORK AND STAFF TIME.

AND HE HE IN HIS OPINION, HE WASN'T SURE THAT THE CITY EITHER HAD THE ABILITY OR CAPABILITY AT THIS POINT TO DO THAT.

SO THOSE WERE HIS CONCERNS.

NOT SAYING THAT HE WAS OPPOSED TO IT, BUT HE.

WANTED ME TO EXPRESS THOSE CONCERNS OR OBSERVATIONS TO THE COUNCIL, SO YOU COULD TAKE THAT INTO EFFECT OR INTO WHEN YOU'RE MAKING A DECISION.

I THOUGHT, AND MAYBE IF YOU COULD CLARIFY FOR ME AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, AS MISS MAYNES SAID, THAT THIS WAS MODELED AFTER THE RECREATION COMMITTEE, WHICH IS A VOLUNTEER COMMITTEE WITH NO SPECIFIC AUTHORITY OVER THE GOVERNING BODY.

THAT'S TRUE. IS THIS THE SAME THING OR DIFFERENT? COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT? MR.. THANK GOOD.

GOOD AFTERNOON. IT'S NICE TO BE HERE.

I DID LOOK THROUGH IT IN DISCUSSIONS WITH MATT, I LOOKED THROUGH THE STATE PLANNING COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING GUIDE, WHICH GIVES US KIND OF THE DIFFERENT ALLOWED BODIES THAT CONSIDER DIFFERENT THINGS.

THERE IS A HISTORIC COMMISSION PRESERVATION COMMISSION THAT HAS VERY DIFFERENT ROLE THAN WHAT I THINK YOU WERE YOU WERE CONSIDERING IT IS MORE OF LIKE A PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THAT I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT MISS MAYNES WAS INTENDING HERE, AND THAT IF YOU DO GO THROUGH THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION, THERE ARE SOME STATE RULES AND SOME SOME PLANNING, ENABLING ACT THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE INCLUDED IN THERE.

AS A PART OF THE THE PLANNING AND ZONING PROCESS.

BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE, THE MINDSET WAS.

AND THAT'S WHERE MATT HAD I HAD THAT CONVERSATION AND IT IS A GOOD IDEA.

SO YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENT THING WHEN YOU SAY COMMISSION, IT IS TALKING MORE ABOUT A MORE AUTHORITATIVE.

NO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR COUNSEL.

BUT THIS IS STRUCTURED AS A VOLUNTEER COMMITTEE.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST LIKE LIKE SOLOCO THEY CAN RECOMMEND, BUT THEY CAN'T LEGISLATE.

YES. RIGHT. WHEREAS A COMMISSION HAS SOME SORT OF AUTHORITATIVE WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION BY STATE LAW.

WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

BUT THIS IS THIS IS A COMMITTEE, NOT A COMMISSION.

YES, SIR. OKAY.

SO ALL RIGHT, SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT AND NOW OPEN IT UP TO FOR COUNSEL QUESTIONING.

MRS. GUZMAN. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO, SIR, I DON'T.

OKAY. WE JUST CLEARED THAT.

YEAH, THE COMMISSION AND COMMITTEE.

MR. WHITE, I I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE LATTER.

THE COMMISSION WHERE I'VE OWNED PROPERTY, AND I GET THIS NOTICE.

THE COMMISSION SAID, YOU CAN'T DO THAT, YOU CAN'T DO THIS, ETC..

AND AND I KNOW IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THAT, BUT I'M ALWAYS WHAT I WISH I HAD SEEN IS SORT OF A COPY OF THE GROUND, THE BYLAWS AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

BUT I'M TRUSTING THAT WHAT IS BEING SAID HERE IS CORRECT.

AND AND I BELIEVE THAT.

BUT WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS HAVE ANOTHER REVIEW PROCESS.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SIGNING UP FOR.

IT'S VOLUNTARY AND ALL THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD.

AND I APPRECIATE MATT RAISING THE QUESTION BECAUSE IT HELPED US DRAW THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO.

AND WE DON'T WANT WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

WE WANT WHAT WE'RE HEARING YOU PROPOSING.

SO THAT'S GOOD. NO MORE COMMENT FROM MY MR. CARROLL, PLEASE. I PRETTY WELL ECHO WHAT BO JUST SAID THERE.

OKAY. I THINK THAT AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE I THINK IT, IT CLEARED UP OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, AT THIS POINT, OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE WE DO HAVE

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MISS KATHLEEN DECOURCEY HERE, WHO, OF COURSE, HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN, IN FINALLY GETTING A COMMITTEE TOGETHER, SOMETHING I'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS SINCE 1881, OBVIOUSLY.

YOU GOT LINCOLN'S INSIGHTS.

SO I'M GOING TO I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC AND INVITE MR. COURSEY. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION WE HAD, SIR.

THANK YOU. KATHLEEN DECOURCEY, UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY, I.

WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS GREAT AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I JUST THINK THERE'S STILL SOME DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE WHEN I WHEN I THINK BACK, I THINK MORE OF A COMMISSION, BUT NOT SO MUCH THE ARCHITECTURAL PART OF IT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE COME UP AGAINST A COUPLE OF PIECES OF PROPERTY HERE THAT HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL ASSETS ON IT.

SO IS THE COMMITTEE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADVISE OR ADVISE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THINGS THAT SHOULD BE DONE WITH THOSE HISTORICAL ASSETS? THIS IS FROM WHAT I READ ON HERE.

IT'S MORE OF A COMMITTEE THAT SAYS, YES, THIS IS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME HISTORICAL ASSETS HERE.

THEY ARE. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOCATED IN SUCH AND SUCH A PLACES.

ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE INPUT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN THESE DEVELOPERS COME AND THEY WANT TO DEVELOP NEAR THOSE HISTORICAL ASSETS? THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING WITH A HISTORIC COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE.

MRS MEANS COULD YOU ANSWER THAT, PLEASE? THIS THIS ORDINANCE IS NOT DRAFTED THAT WAY.

SO THAT BECOMES PART OF, LIKE, WHAT MISS SNOWDEN WAS SAYING, THE PLANNING PROCESS.

AND, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY HAS THE RESOURCES TO HAVE A COMMISSION THAT DOES ITS OWN HISTORICAL DESIGNATIONS.

SO THAT THAT THAT IS NOT HOW THIS IS DRAFTED.

NO. AND THAT'S WHAT I BUT WHAT THEY CAN DO AND THIS IS A QUESTION THEY CAN.

RECOMMEND TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS A COMMITTEE.

THEY CAN SAY YOU HAVE THIS.

IT'S GOING TO BE INTRUSIVE TO A HISTORICAL PLACE OR WHATEVER IT IS CIRCUMSTANCE MIGHT BE.

BUT YOU HAVE YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATION YOU KNOW, AUTHORITY THROUGH YOUR INVESTIGATION OF, OF AS A COMMITTEE IS THAT DO I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? SO ANY INDIVIDUAL CAN GO GIVE THEIR OPINIONS AT PLANNING COMMISSION.

RIGHT. LIKE THAT. THAT WOULD BE.

BUT AS FAR AS HAVING THE AUTHORITY TO DESIGNATE SOMETHING HISTORICAL, THIS COMMITTEE, NO, IT DOESN'T GIVE AUTHORITY.

AND BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THAT, THEY CAN'T GO SAY, WELL, WE THINK THIS IS BECAUSE THIS IS HISTORICAL.

WE DON'T WANT. SO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, RIGHT.

BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE A DESIGNATION OF A HISTORICAL SITE THAT COMES FROM, FROM THE STATE OR WHATEVER ENTITIES DO AS PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS THAT THIS ENTITY DOES NOT HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.

SO THEY THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND SAY, THIS IS HISTORICAL.

THIS IS WHY SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE.

THEY CAN'T MANDATE THAT.

BUT THEY CAN GO THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BY THEIR RESEARCH OF IN THEIR STUDIES OF AND AND DESIGNATING THESE MARKERS AND MAKING US ALL AWARE, AS IT SAYS HERE, YOU KNOW, AWARENESS IS IN THIS SOMEWHERE THAT THEY CAN, AS A COMMITTEE, GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND SAY IT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT OR YOU MOVE THIS OVER HERE. THEY THIS DOESN'T GIVE THEM AUTHORITY TO MAKE THEM DO THAT, BUT IT GIVES THEM THE THE AS A COMMITTEE.

NOW THEY CAN STUDY THIS STUFF AND BRING THIS.

WHEREAS NOW NOBODY'S LOOKING AT IT AND AND BRINGING IT FORTH.

RIGHT. THANK YOU MAYOR.

WELL, PRINA CLARIFY ON THE PROCESS.

I'M GOING TO LET HER CLARIFY ON THE PROCESS.

THAT MIGHT KIND OF HELP ANSWER THE QUESTION AS TO WHY I'M SAYING THIS COMMITTEE IS NOT CREATED.

WE HAVE NOT WE'RE NOT CREATING THAT PROCESS THAT THAT WOULD BE A CHANGE IN THE PROCESS OF OUR PLANNING AND PLANNING AND ZONING PROCESS.

AND THANK YOU, MISS MEANS.

THIS IS THAT'S BECAUSE AS THE WAY THE PLANNING PROCESS IS DEFINED UNDER STATE LAW IT, THIS BEING A CITY BOARD.

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AND PUTTING IT IN THE RECOMMENDATION AND IN, IN THE LANGUAGE, HAVING A STAFF MEMBER THAT A SECRETARY THAT IS A STAFF MEMBER, IT DOES CHANGE THE PROCESS AND IT DOES CREATE IT.

AND WE'D HAVE TO PUT DIFFERENT STANDARDS IN THERE THAN WHAT SHE HAS DRAFTED RIGHT NOW.

WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO STATE LAW AND AND MIRROR IT AS THE ORDINANCE, AS THE ENABLING ACT TELLS US TO LIKE WE WOULD FOR A BCA OR FOR A PLANNING COMMISSION.

THAT IS NOW IF THEY WERE A SEPARATE BOARD AND NOT A CITY BOARD, IF IT WAS JUST A AND YOU, YOU, YOU RECOGNIZED IT.

AND OF COURSE, THEY COULD DO THAT IF IT WAS JUST A HISTORICAL SOCIETY TYPE THING, THAT IS COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE.

BUT IF IT'S CALLED A COMMITTEE OF OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, THEN IT UNDER WHAT I'VE ALWAYS SEEN AND WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM FROM STATE LAW OVER THE YEARS, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE JUST HAVE A LITTLE MORE MEAT TO IT THAN WHAT WHAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW.

SO THIS THAT PARTICULAR ONE WOULD NOT GIVE THAT.

IS THAT? MAY I ASK A QUESTION? GO AHEAD. JOHN. I'M SORRY.

WELL. GO AHEAD.

WHAT I WAS MY INSTINCTS TELL ME THAT FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE ABOUT TRYING TO DO GOOD, BUT A LOT OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN, I'D SAY AT LEAST TWO THIRDS OF THE TIME, MIGHT BE OPPOSITIONAL BECAUSE WE'VE OVERLOOKED SOME HISTORICAL FACT OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AS OPPOSED TO SAYING, THAT'S A GREAT DECISION.

HERE'S ALL THIS ADDITIONAL HISTORY YOU DIDN'T KNOW.

SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT.

ALTHOUGH THE MOTIVES ARE GOOD AND ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, IT WILL BE PERCEIVED OR AT LEAST EXPERIENCED AS SOMEWHAT OPPOSITIONAL FROM TIME TO TIME, WHICH IS.

WHICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF WHAT THEY DO.

AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON BOARD FOR THAT, BECAUSE IT'S AND AS HOW ABOUT YOU? ARE YOU ON BOARD FOR THAT? AS A PLANNING GROUP, AS A PLANNING STAFF? IT IT IT IS ANOTHER TYPICALLY YOU HAVE A HISTORICAL PRESERVATION PLAN OR A HISTORIC.

PLANNER ON STAFF THAT WOULD ASSIST THESE TYPE OF BOARDS.

MATT HAS DONE IT IN HIS CAREER.

PREVIOUSLY I'VE DONE IT IN MY CAREER PREVIOUSLY.

IT IS A SEPARATE, TIME CONSUMING PROCESS.

AM I OPPOSED TO IT? NOT AT ALL. DO I THINK WE'RE READY FOR IT RIGHT NOW? I DO NOT, I THINK A HISTORICAL, A HISTORICAL SOCIETY, A SOME TYPE OF COMMITTEE IS ABSOLUTELY.

BUT ONE THAT IS, IS FORMALIZED BY THE CITY.

I DON'T THINK WE ARE READY FOR IT RIGHT NOW, STAFF WISE.

I COULD BE I COULD BE MISTAKEN.

I THINK WE HAVE A LOT TO PRESERVE.

I THINK WE HAVE A LOT TO DO, BUT I, I PREFER AND THAT'S MY THE ACP AND EVERYTHING I'VE BEEN THROUGH TO FOLLOW IT BY THE STATE LAW AND MAKE SURE WE'RE COVERING ALL OUR BASES BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BE SUSCEPTIBLE TO ONE OF THESE DEVELOPERS LOOKING, SAYING OUR PROCESS IS IS.

WELL, YOU'VE RAISED THE EXCELLENT POINT.

AND THAT IS CAPACITY AND ALSO COMPETENCE IN THE SENSE THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE ON BOARD CAN DO THAT.

AND THAT'S A BIG RESPONSIBILITY.

AND THAT'S ONE THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE THE EXPERTISE SO YOU CAN GET IT RIGHT BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN, WHICH YOU'VE JUST ECHOED A LITTLE BIT.

NOT THAT WE'RE IN POST, BUT DO WE HAVE THAT CAPABILITY.

ABSOLUTELY NOT. OPPOSED I THINK SOME KIND OF SOCIETY OR SOME KIND OF OTHER COMMITTEE WOULD BE, WOULD BE WONDERFUL.

JUST THAT THAT MAKING SURE.

MAKING THE SEPARATION FROM THE CITY COMMITTEE TO A CITIZEN COMMITTEE WOULD BE MY MY RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW.

AND YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD, ARE WE? YEAH, I THINK I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO RIGHT NOW IS KIND OF TABLE THIS AND LET'S KIND OF GET TOGETHER AND DO SOME MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, BECAUSE THIS MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY.

I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO START A NEW JASPER COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY IS REALLY NON-EXISTENT.

ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS HAVE TEA AND COOKIES.

SO I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO START A NEW JASPER COUNTY HISTORICAL CULTURAL SOCIETY.

MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TOGETHER AND MAKE IT MORE OF A IT NEEDS MORE WORK.

AN ADVISORY GROUP RATHER THAN A COMMITTEE FOR YOU GUYS.

MAYBE WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT LIKE THAT.

OR JUST. I WANT YOU GUYS TO GET THIS.

GET THIS RIGHT.

IT IS VERY VALUABLE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE OVERLOADED.

AND I THINK THAT HAVING SOME HISTORIC SOCIETY OR SOMETHING HELPING THEM.

IDENTIFY THESE PLACES WILL BE HELPFUL TO THEM AS WELL.

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SO I JUST, I THINK MAYBE NOW IS NOT REALLY THE RIGHT TIME TO MOVE THIS.

MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. PERHAPS WHEN MATT GETS BACK, YOU, MATT, AND BRIANNA GET TOGETHER BECAUSE AS I READ THROUGH THIS AND THAT'S WHY I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT STAFF AND MY VISION OF WHAT THIS WAS THE ONLY STAFF INVOLVED.

BASED ON THIS, THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN IS THAT A STAFF MEMBER WILL BE SECRETARY AT THE MEETINGS.

YEAH. IS WHAT IT SAID.

YEAH, YEAH. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S NOT LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE ADDING A LARGE RESPONSIBILITY TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND IT SAYS A STAFF MEMBER, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY EVEN HAVE TO BE A PLANNING DEPARTMENT PERSON, JUST A STAFF OF THE CITY.

AND IF YOU REVIEW THAT, MAYBE EVEN THAT CAN BE TAKEN OUT SO THAT THERE IS NO.

THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY PER SE.

NOW, THE COMMITTEE, LIKE THE RECREATION COMMITTEE STAFF DOES, IS PART OF THAT.

RIGHT? AND THEY'RE HERE.

THEY'RE PART OF IT. THEY WHEREAS THIS COMMITTEE I ALWAYS SAW BEING FUNCTIONING OUTSIDE THE CITY.

AND WHEN YOU READ THE RESPONSIBILITIES HERE OF, YOU KNOW, CREATING A MAP AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S AWARENESS OF WHAT'S OUT THERE AND WHAT WE HAVE TO BE YOU KNOW, CONSCIOUS OF AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I WAS THINKING IS WHEN THAT THAT ONE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAD THE, THE GRAVESITE WELL, IF WE HAD A HISTORICAL SOCIETY THAT WAS HAD INDEPENDENT OF THE CITY MAPPED OUT WHERE THESE THINGS WERE, WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN FROM DAY ONE THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING THERE.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT EVEN FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION SIDE.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS ENVISIONING.

AND WHEN I READ THESE RESPONSIBILITIES.

SO AT COUNCIL MR. COURSEY MADE MADE A RECOMMENDATION.

I'M SORRY. JOHN. NO, SIR.

I JUST I WAS THINKING, SAME THING.

I THINK EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE THINKING.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S KIND OF CLOUDY RIGHT NOW.

SO, MR. MAYOR, I THINK WE NEED TO DO WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING.

LET'S JUST TABLE IT. AND.

AND I THINK THE THREE OF Y'ALL WOULD BE GREAT TOGETHER.

AND Y'ALL CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE SATISFIED WITH AND.

YEAH. GREAT. YEAH.

I MEAN, THERE'S ALSO A FACTOR YOU KNOW, COORDINATION BETWEEN SHPO AND NOT.

THAT'S THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE.

NOT EVERY HISTORIC SITE IS ELIGIBLE FOR SOUTH CAROLINA HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE, BUT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY VALUES IN KEEPING AS A HISTORIC AS LOCAL HISTORY.

YES, THERE'S LOCAL HISTORY JUST BECAUSE THE STATE SAYS THEY DON'T FIND IT, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC FOR THEIR STANDARDS, YOU MAY FIND IT DIFFERENTLY. SO I THINK AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK.

THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS I ENVISION THIS COMMITTEE BRINGING TO US, YOU KNOW, THAT NOBODY'S PAYING ATTENTION TO RIGHT NOW THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK.

I KEEP SAYING AWARENESS.

THAT'S WHERE I THINK SO.

OKAY. CAN I MAKE AN OBSERVATION, SIR? SURE. EACH DEVELOPER, WHEN THEY BRING A DEVELOPMENT UP TO US, OR MAYBE THE PLANNING COMMITTEE, AREN'T THEY SUPPOSED TO DO A CULTURAL SURVEY FIRST TO IDENTIFY THESE PLACES? YES. AND AS ONCE AGAIN, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO ONCE YOU GET INTO THE THE PLANNING PROCESS AND THE ZONING PROCESS, IT GOES BACK TO THE STATE ENABLING ACT. AND THAT STATES THAT THEY YES, THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT IT.

YES. OUR ORDINANCE EVEN REITERATES THAT TO MAKE SURE IF YOU'RE COMING IN WITH A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT MASTER PLAN, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE, BUT ALSO HAS TO BE APPROVED THROUGH SHPO, AS SHE MENTIONED.

AND THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE AUTHORITIES.

THEY ARE THE HISTORICAL PINNACLE, I GUESS HERE IN SOUTH CAROLINA.

BECAUSE MOST CITIES DO NOT HAVE THAT, THAT'S WHEN YOU TO MAKE THAT NEXT MOVE OF WHAT HARDEEVILLE THINKS THAT GETS INTO THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. AND THERE'S A LOT OF STEPS TO IT, TOO.

I THINK I'M KIND OF AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT HERE, THAT THAT IS NOT HOW THIS WAS INTENDED TO BE DRAFTED TO CREATE A LOCAL PRESERVATION BOARD.

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YOU KNOW, SO YES, IT'S IT'S SOMETHING WE CONSIDER.

BUT RIGHT NOW, YES, WE DO RELY ON SHIP A LOT.

OKAY. AND IF WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TABLE, AS YOU KNOW, WE USUALLY ARE DATE SPECIFIC.

DO YOU THINK YOU NEED A MONTH? YOU NEED TWO MONTHS. WHAT DO YOU THINK, MR. COURSEY? YEAH, I THINK I THINK A MONTH.

OKAY. I THINK SHE AND MATT AND I CAN.

YEAH. OKAY.

COUNCIL. SO IN IN THE MOTION TO GO DATE SPECIFIC.

WHAT'S THE WHAT'S MAY 16TH.

SO SO I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR MAKE ANY CHANGES OR TABLE.

THIS IS ORDINANCE 2024, DASH FOUR, DASH 18 A.

MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE ON FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE 2020 4-4- 18 A FOR A PERIOD OF ONE MONTH TO ALLOW FURTHER NEGOTIATION AND COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A REVISED PLAN. JOHN, COULD YOU SAY INSTEAD OF ONE MONTH, WOULD YOU SAY MAY 16TH? OKAY. YES, SIR. ON MAY 16TH, 2024.

OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE MAY 16TH, 2024 MEETING.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC SEEING? NONE. I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. OKAY.

GOOD LUCK.

AND I'M SURE YOU WILL GET THE ROUGH EDGES SMOOTHED OUT, RIGHT? YES WE WILL.

OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

RECEIPT OF THE A TAX COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROPRIATE STATE ACCOMMODATION TAX RECEIPTS TO THE JASPER COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE PURSUANT TO SECTION

[B. RECEIPT OF THE ATAX COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROPRIATE STATE ACCOMMODATIONS TAX RECEIPTS TO THE JASPER COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE PURSUANT TO SECTION 6-4-10 OF THE SC CODE OF LAWS • VISITOR CENTER OPERATIONS – $49,864 • BILLBOARD CAMPAIGN - $25,080 • DIGITAL MARKETING - $14,400 • RADIO CAMPAIGN - $14,400 TOTAL - $103,744 PUBLIC COMMENT]

SIX, DASH FOUR, DASH TEN OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA CODE OF LAWS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VISITOR CENTER OPERATIONS, BILLBOARD CAMPAIGN, DIGITAL MARKETING, AND THE RADIO CAMPAIGN.

I SEE MR. BOYLE HAS IN FRONT OF US.

SO, MR. BOYLE, TAKE IT AWAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THE NEXT THREE ITEMS SHOULD BE VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

AT LEAST I HOPE SO.

WE HAD AN A TAX COMMITTEE MEETING LAST WEEK.

THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED A TOTAL OF $103,744 FOR JASPER COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FOR THE THINGS THAT YOU JUST DELINEATED.

AND. STAFF ASKS THAT YOU APPROVE THAT RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY. LET'S START WITH YOU, JOHN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THIS? YES, ONE JOHN, ARE YOU I KNOW YOU WERE THERE PROBABLY, AND VETTED EVERYTHING.

ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH WITH WHERE THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT AND WHAT WAS KEEPING MYSELF OTHERWISE ENTERTAINED LAST WEEK WHEN THAT MEETING WAS GOING ON? PREPARING THE BUDGET BOOK.

YEAH, BUT CINDY WAS THERE, AND CINDY AND I HAVE DEBRIEFED ON ALL THAT.

WELL. AND YOU'RE SATISFIED? HIGH LEVEL OF COMFORT. COMFORT WITH ALL THREE OF THESE? YES, SIR. OKAY.

MR. WHITE? NO, I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

THE INVOLVEMENT AND THOUGHTS BEFORE US MAKES SENSE.

GOOD THINGS THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON.

MRS GUZMAN. IF IF JOHN SAYS IT'S GOOD TO GO, I'M CONFIDENT WITH JOHN'S JOHN SKILLS.

YEAH, RIGHT. NOT NOT NOT THE FOSSIL.

RIGHT. YEAH, IT'S THE YOUNG ONE, BUT ABE LINCOLN'S FRIEND.

I UNDERSTAND WHERE EACH OF THIS IS GOING.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE CHAMBER IS OUR DMR DESIGNATED MARKETING DESIGNEE.

SO, YOU KNOW, AND BY STATE LAW, A LOT OF THESE BILLBOARDS AND MARKETING ARE DESIGNATED FOR A TAX FUNDS.

SO IT'S ALL LEGITIMATE.

AND SO I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO ANY OF IT.

BUT MAN, WE DON'T THINK WE MEAN TO MAKE KENDAL COME UP HERE JUST SINCE SHE'S HERE.

I KNOW SHE DOESN'T. YEAH.

SHE WANTED ME TO LET YOU KNOW SHE'S AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

OH, YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT.

BECAUSE THEN WE COULD HAVE GRILLED HER BEFORE WE SAID IT WAS OKAY.

SHE'S NOT BASHFUL. I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW THAT.

I KNOW KENDAL QUITE WELL.

YEAH, I DON'T. SO, KENDAL, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO ABOUT THE APEX? NO. OKAY.

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I THINK YOU GUYS ARE ALL GOOD.

IT'S ALL SELF-EXPLANATORY.

AND WE'RE AN OPEN BOOK.

TRANSPARENT. SO YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE PRETTY MUCH EVERY DIME GOES.

THAT'S RIGHT. WE DON'T. WHICH THAT'S A GOOD THING.

THAT IS A GOOD THING. OKAY.

SO THEN AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND ASK A QUESTION OR MAKE A COMMENT? SEEING NONE.

I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE ATTACKS COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ATTACKS COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE US.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS BY COUNCIL OF THE PUBLIC? I'M SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. AYE. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. WE HAVE TWO OTHER ATTACKS APPROVALS THAT WE HAVE TO GO TO.

THE NEXT ONE IS FOR $67,000 CONTRIBUTED TO THE FESTIVAL ON MAIN.

[C. RECEIPT OF THE ATAX COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROPRIATE STATE ACCOMMODATIONS TAX RECEIPTS PURSUANT TO SECTION 6-4-10 OF THE SC CODE OF LAWS TO THE FOLLOWING: • FESTIVAL ON MAIN CITY OF HARDEEVILLE IN THE AMOUNT OF $67,400 PUBLIC COMMENT]

MR. BOYLE, YOU WANT TO ADD ANY EXPLANATION TO THAT IN SIMILAR FASHION? THAT THAT EVENT CONTINUES TO GROW.

SO WE ARE ASKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY THAN WE HAVE IN PREVIOUS YEARS.

AND JUST TO HELP US HAVE MORE FOR PEOPLE TO DO WHEN THEY COME.

AND WE ARE, AS YOU WELL KNOW, PULLING PEOPLE FROM FROM 50 MILES AND OUT COME TO THIS EVENT.

SO IT'S CONTINUED TO GROW YEAR AFTER YEAR.

AND NEIL'S HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT REALLY, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY.

SHOULD WE TO MAKE THIS EVENT CONTINUE TO GROW AND BE BETTER AND BETTER EACH YEAR? OKAY. LET'S SEE.

I THINK WE START WITH YOU, MISS GUZMAN.

NO, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

I THINK IT'S A IT'S AN AWESOME FESTIVAL.

I'VE BEEN TO IT.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ENJOY COMING TO IT.

I THINK IT'S IT'S A GREAT THING.

MR. WHITE, I ECHO WHAT VAL SAID.

IT'S A WONDERFUL HISTORY, AND FOLKS REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO IT.

MR. CARROLL JOHN, I GUESS KENDALL AND JEN AND ALL GOT TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH THESE FIGURES.

YEAH. KENDALL WAS SHE MADE HER PRESENTATION, AND THEN JEN AND HER STAFF AND NEIL PRESENTED TO THE THING AND THEN OR TO THE COMMITTEE, AND THEY WERE ALL ABLE TO GET ALL THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

OKAY. AND AGAIN, ESTABLISH A HIGH LEVEL OF COMFORT WITH WHAT WAS BEING ASKED.

AND I WOULD JUST ADD THAT, YOU KNOW THIS FESTIVAL WAS CREATED AND TOOK OVER SOME COUPLE YEARS AGO FROM THE THE OLD CATFISH FESTIVAL, AND EVERY YEAR IT HAS GROWN AND GROWN.

SO THE MONEY DEVOTED TO MARKETING THIS, THIS, THAT, AS MR. BOYLE SAID, FROM GETTING PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY AND ACTUALLY TWO COUNTIES IS OBVIOUSLY WORKING WELL.

SO I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THIS EITHER.

AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO OFFER THE PUBLIC TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR ASK ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS APPROPRIATION OR RECOMMENDATION FROM THE A TAX COMMITTEE.

SEEING NONE.

I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THE A TAX COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION FOR $67,400 TO THE FESTIVAL ON MAIN.

I'D LIKE TO MOVE. GO AHEAD.

JOHN. GO AHEAD.

YOU GO AHEAD. MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE A TAX COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS TO FUND.

THE FESTIVAL ON MAIN IN THE AMOUNT OF $67,400.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. OKAY.

THAT IS PASSED AS WELL.

[D. RECEIPT OF THE ATAX COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROPRIATE STATE ACCOMMODATIONS TAX RECEIPTS PURSUANT TO SECTION 6-4-10 OF THE SC CODE OF LAWS • SC LOW COUNTRY TOURISM COMMITTEE IN THE AMOUNT OF $19,100 PUBLIC COMMENT]

APPROVED AS WELL.

AND THE LAST A TAX RECOMMENDATION IS FOR $19,000 TO THE SOUTH CAROLINA LOW COUNTRY TOURISM COMMITTEE IN THE AMOUNT OF $19,100. MISTER BOYLE, ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT? NOTHING. EXCEPT, YOU KNOW, PEACH WAS THERE, DID HER PRESENTATION, AND EVERYBODY WAS AGAIN YOU KNOW, PLEASED WITH WHAT SHE'S BEEN DOING AND WHERE SHE PLANS TO WHAT SHE PLANS TO DO NEXT YEAR. GREAT.

MR. COWELL, WE'LL START WITH YOU THIS TIME.

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NO QUESTIONS. MR. WHITE. NO QUESTIONS.

MRS GUZMAN.

NO QUESTION, SIR. AND I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

MISS MISS PEACH DOES A WONDERFUL JOB PROMOTING PROMOTING OUR REGION, SO THIS IS GREAT.

AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OFFER THE PUBLIC TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR ASK ANY QUESTIONS.

SEEING NONE.

I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS AS WELL.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.