Apr 04, 2024 City Council Meeting

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EVERYBODY ALL SET?

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WE GOT HAVE A FEW EMPTY SEATS IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO COME IN.

SO OKAY, THIS IS I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

THIS IS A CITY OF HARDEEVILLE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP, 205 MAIN STREET, HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA.

[I. CALL TO ORDER - CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP]

THIS IS A WORKSHOP.

OUR RULES OF ORDER ARE RELAXED, EVEN OUR ADDRESS.

WE TAKE OUR JACKETS OFF.

REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE IT'S AN OPEN DISCUSSION.

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JUST PLEASE WAIT TO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER IS COMPLETED BEFORE YOU CHIME IN.

HAVING SAID THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. CZYMBOR, PLEASE.

YES, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE SPACE NEEDS STUDY.

SO I THINK THE COUNCIL IS AWARE THAT WE DID ENTER INTO A CONTRACT.

I FORGET WHEN MY MEMORY IS IT'S IT'S BEEN IN THE LAST YEAR.

SOMETIME WE'LL SAY MCMILLAN PAZDAN SMITH TO LOOK AT BASICALLY THE CITY'S GROWING NEEDS.

[II. MANAGERS REPORT]

ALREADY DOING IT, I ALWAYS I, I GIVE HIM THE WHOLE THING AND HE GETS UP THERE AND DOES SOME CRUMBS.

BUT JUST TO LOOK AT REALLY A THOROUGH REVIEW OF OUR CURRENT FACILITIES CONDITION STAFFING GROWTH NEEDS AND DEVELOPMENT.

SO THIS IS KIND OF A, IT'S A MOUTHFUL.

BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING THEIR WORK.

OBVIOUSLY IT HAS A LOT OF COMPONENTS THAT WILL BE USEFUL MOVING FORWARD.

SO I'LL STOP TALKING.

MR. DAVIS IS KIND OF HAD THAT EFFORT AS WELL AS OUR WONDERFUL MISS JODY AS WELL.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO HE CAN INTRODUCE THEIR THE TEAM AND LET THEM GET ON WITH THE SHOW.

GOOD AFTERNOON. NOW IT'S ON.

YES, MR. LIMBAUGH SAID.

WE AWARDED THIS CONTRACT BACK IN, WHAT, EARLY FALL? I GUESS IT WAS. YEAH.

AND MCMILLAN NPS HAS BEEN WORKING SINCE THEN.

THEY'VE BEEN HERE NUMEROUS TIMES.

THEY'LL GET INTO THOSE DETAILS.

IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT WE'RE KIND OF GETTING TWO PRODUCTS OUT OF THIS.

WE'RE GETTING WE'RE GOING TO GET OUR FACILITIES CONDITIONS ASSESSMENT, WHICH IS A PROGRAM THAT WE CAN THEN TAKE AND IT'LL BE OURS, AND WE CAN USE THAT AND ADD TO IT AS WE IMPROVE OUR FACILITIES, ADD NEW ONES, ETC..

SO IT'LL BE A VERY VALUABLE TOOL FOR OUR FACILITIES MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.

SO THAT'S THAT'S GOOD.

AND THEN OF COURSE THE OTHER PART EXCUSE ME, IS THE ACTUAL SPACE NEEDS COMPONENT ITSELF.

AND WE ALL KNOW WE WE ARE BURSTING AT THE SEAMS IN MANY OF OUR DEPARTMENTS AND BUILDINGS.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

BUT THESE FOLKS HAVE BEEN HERE NUMEROUS TIMES.

THEY'VE MET WITH STAFF ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, AND WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PRESENT WITH US.

AND AS MR. CZYMBOR SAID, A BIG THANKS TO JODY.

SHE'S BEEN A BIG HELP WITH THIS AS WELL.

AND ALL THE AND QUITE FRANKLY, ALL THE STAFF WHO'S, WHO'S WORKED WITH NPS TO GIVE THEM THE INFORMATION THEY NEEDED AND OFFER THEIR OWN ADVICE AND SUGGESTIONS.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO NPS AND LET THEM TAKE IT AWAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON. COUNCIL.

[1. SPACE NEEDS ASSESSMENT UPDATE - McMILLAN PAZDAN SMITH ARCHITECTURE]

WELCOME. THANKS FOR GIVING.

MCMILLAN PAZDAN SMITH ARCHITECTURE AND BEACON CONSTRUCTION FROM A COST TESTING STANDPOINT, AND CMTA OUR ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS, AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP. GIVE YOU A PICTURE OF, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW GROWTH'S COMING TO HARDEEVILLE.

HOPEFULLY THIS THIS STUDY WILL GIVE YOU A SOME IDEAS ON WHERE YOU ARE AND WHERE WHERE YOU MAY NEED TO GO.

OUR PRESENTATION TODAY IS GOING TO BE KIND OF BROKEN DOWN INTO THE FIVE SEGMENTS YOU SEE HERE.

OUR ANALYSIS WAS PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE.

SO WE WANT TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THE BIG PICTURE ITEMS FROM EACH OF THESE COMPONENTS.

AND THEN AT THE END, WE'D LIKE TO STOP FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A REAL DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS, BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF COMMENTS AND CONCERNS, QUESTIONS, THOUGHTS THAT WE CAN HELP WITH.

FIRST SECTION HERE.

I WANT TO INTRODUCE OUR OUR TEAM.

FIRST, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MINTA.

SHE IS OUR DIRECTOR OF PLANNING ADVISORY SERVICES, A PRINCIPAL AT NPS.

MYSELF AND JARRETT HUDSON ARE THE ARCHITECTS ON THIS PROJECT.

AND ALEX IS OUR DATA ANALYTICS ANALYST FOR THIS PROJECT AS WELL.

AND WE ALSO HAVE CHRIS FROM INBICON WITH US AS WELL.

HE'LL HELP PUT SOME DOLLARS TO SOME OF THE ITEMS WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA TODAY.

SO OUR OUR PROCESS WAS PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE.

BUT BASICALLY WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO IS COLLECTING DATA TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR BUILDINGS LOOK LIKE, WHAT CONDITIONS THEY'RE IN, GETTING DATA FROM CITY STAFF ON WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE, WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE, AND THEN FIGURING OUT WHAT.

WHAT WHAT GROWTH NEEDS TO ACCOMMODATE WITHIN THAT, AND THEN BRAINSTORMING IDEAS THAT CAN HELP THE CITY BE WHERE THEY NEED TO BE OVER THE NEXT TEN, 20 YEARS. AND TODAY WE'RE HERE AT THIS PRESENTATION TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THE SUMMARY OF THAT STUDY AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT AND MAKE MAKE SOME REVISIONS AND WHATNOT IF WE NEED TO.

SO AS I SAID BEFORE, OUR PROCESS WAS PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE.

WE'VE BEEN TO ALL OF YOUR FACILITIES.

FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT AND ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, FROM A SPACE USE STANDPOINT, YOU NOW HAVE A COMPLETE FLOOR PLAN

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YOU HAVEN'T HADN'T HAD THAT BEFORE.

SO THAT'S A GOOD. SO THERE WILL BE TOOLS THAT YOU'LL HAVE FROM THIS THAT WILL BE USEFUL.

AND THE TWO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE FIRST PART, OUR FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENTS.

HI, EVERYONE. SO THE FACILITY CONDITIONS, ASSESSMENTS, LIKE LIKE BRIAN WAS SAYING, HE AND MYSELF HAVE BEEN DOWN HERE NUMEROUS TIMES OVER THE MONTHS TO ASSESS THE CONDITIONS OF ALL YOUR FACILITIES HERE.

WE ALSO HIRED A MEP ENGINEERING FIRM TO LOOK AT THE MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING SYSTEMS WHILE WE WERE DOWN HERE.

AND WE ALSO CONDUCTED INTERVIEWS WITH STAFF TO FIND OUT HOW THE BUILDING IS FUNCTIONING, JUST FROM, LIKE I SAID, A CONDITION STANDPOINT.

SO AFTER DOING THAT, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL THOSE CATEGORIES THAT ARE LISTED THERE, THE SITE, THE BUILDING ENVELOPE, ROOF, INTERIORS, MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, FIRE PROTECTION AND HEALTH, SAFETY AND SECURITY OF EACH FACILITY.

WE BASICALLY HAVE NOTED DEFICIENCIES AT EACH BUILDING, AND WE USE THOSE DEFICIENCIES TO GENERATE A SCORE FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES.

AFTER YOU LOOK AT THE SCORES FOR EACH CATEGORY, WE TAKE AN AVERAGE OF THAT TO COME UP WITH A SCORE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL FACILITY.

SO THAT'S OUR METHODOLOGY FOR DECIDING WHICH FACILITIES NEED IMMEDIATE ATTENTION VERSUS WHICH FACILITIES DON'T NEED IMMEDIATE, DON'T NEED ATTENTION AND ARE DOING WELL. AND OUR SCORES DON'T GUARANTEE ANYTHING.

THIS IS ALL BASED ON OUR OBSERVATIONS OUT THERE ON SITE.

AND ALSO WITH INFORMATION THAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED YOU KNOW.

LIKE SYSTEMS MAY FAIL, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE MAY HAVE SCORED THEM, YOU KNOW, NOT EXACTLY AT FAILING, BUT AT A LOWER SCORE.

IT'S JUST HARD TO PREDICT THAT.

BUT WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON THAT IN THIS STUDY.

AND WE DID NOT ASSESS ANY SPACE ADEQUACY AS FAR AS THE FACILITY CONDITIONS REPORT.

SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SCORES OF THE BUILDING IS JUST STRICTLY ABOUT THE BUILDING ITSELF AND, YOU KNOW, THE CONDITIONS OF EVERYTHING AND NOT SO MUCH THE SPACE IS THERE.

SO AS PART OF THAT, WE HAVE A TOOL CALLED NPS LAUNCHPAD THAT OUR COMPANY HAS CREATED.

IT'S WEB BASED.

AND YOUR, YOUR CITY HAS ACCESS TO ALL THIS INFORMATION THAT'S LOADED THERE.

SO THE INFORMATION THAT I TALKED ABOUT GATHERING DURING THESE ASSESSMENTS IS ALL ON THIS WEBSITE, AND IT'S DIVIDED BY EACH INDIVIDUAL FACILITY.

AS YOU SEE, THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT HAND IS JUST A PAGE FROM LAUNCHPAD SHOWING CITY HALL.

AND YOU'LL SEE, WELL, IT'S HARD TO READ, BUT THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL DEFICIENCIES LISTED WITH A SCORE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.

THE IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THIS TOOL IS THAT THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO GO BACK IN AND LOOK AT WHAT THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS ARE AT EACH BUILDING AND TACKLE THAT FROM YEAR TO YEAR, AND ALSO UPDATE THIS SO YOU HAVE AN ACCURATE PORTRAYAL OF THE CONDITION OF A BUILDING THROUGH TIME, AND THE CITY WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THIS SYSTEM GOING FORWARD.

SO THIS SLIDE IS JUST BASICALLY SHOWING YOU OUR SCORING CHART GOING FROM 5 TO 1 FIVE.

BEING A BUILDING THAT'S IN EXCELLENT CONDITION, THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO BEING BRAND NEW, GOING DOWN TO A BUILDING THAT MAY BE OR CATEGORY OR, SORRY, A BUILDING OR, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC CATEGORY ITEM THAT MAY BE RATED AS ONE OR CRITICAL IN A NEED OF IMMEDIATE ATTENTION.

SO THIS SLIDE IS IN I'VE PRETTY MUCH COVERED THE INFORMATION ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, BUT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE YOU'RE SEEING THE SCORES FOR THE FACILITIES.

WE'VE WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL FOR EACH FACILITY.

SO I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME LOOKING AT THAT.

BUT ESSENTIALLY THE REC CENTER, THE FIRE STATION 84 AND FIRE STATION 81, WE SEE AS THE BUILDINGS IN THE BEST CONDITION, AND OLD CITY HALL BEING THE BUILDING THAT'S IN WORST CONDITION OF YOUR FACILITIES.

SO, OLD CITY HALL OVERALL SCORE OF A ONE.

THERE ARE SOME SERIOUS ISSUES THAT WE'VE NOTED AT THIS BUILDING.

STARTING OFF WITH THE BUILDING ENVELOPE AND ROOF.

THERE'S NUMEROUS DEFICIENCIES WITH THE BUILDING ENVELOPE.

THE WINDOWS ARE PRETTY OLD.

THEY DO NOT APPEAR TO BE VERY WELL INSULATED.

SEALANT AROUND THE WINDOWS IS FAILING, WHICH MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR AIR CONDITIONING IS BASICALLY GOING OUT THE WINDOW IN HERE.

ALSO, WE'VE NOTED THAT THERE WERE TWO FIRES IN THIS BUILDING.

AND FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN MINIMAL REPAIRS AT LEAST ABOVE THE ROOF FROM THE DAMAGE THAT OCCURRED DURING THESE FIRES.

ANOTHER MAJOR ITEM OF NOTE IS THAT THE THE BUILDING IS, IS HAS A RODENT INFESTATION, AND THAT COMES ALONG WITH RODENT EXCREMENT, WHICH

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IT'S I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THEY WERE LAST REPLACED, BUT IT APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN QUITE A BIT OF TIME SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN.

AND AND ALSO THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE FACILITY AT THE TIME THAT WE WERE THERE.

THERE WERE SOME POLICEMEN THAT I BELIEVE WERE TEMPORARILY USING THOSE AS OFFICE SPACE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THERE ARE SECURITY MEASURES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE TO THE BUILDING TO YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATE THOSE POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE THERE.

SO THAT IS AN ITEM OF CONCERN AS WELL AS ACCESSIBILITY AT THIS BUILDING.

SO COMPLIANCE WITH THE AMERICAN DISABILITY ACT, FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT ABLE BODIED, THIS BUILDING IS NOT EQUIPPED FOR THAT.

WE'RE WE'RE DOING THESE IN THE ORDER FROM KIND OF WORST CONDITION TO BEST, OR WE'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH THE BAD ONES.

IT'LL GET PROGRESSIVELY A LITTLE NICER AS WE GO THROUGH, HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE ONES THAT HAVE THE MOST, MOST CHALLENGE.

SO IT'S NOT ALL BAD.

SEE THE REC CENTER GOT A FIVE.

IT'S TWO YEARS OLD.

THE POLICE STATION, WE COMBINE THIS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE COURT BUILDING IN THERE.

SO THIS BUILDING WAS ACQUIRED FROM HARGRAVE IN EARLY 2000.

IT HAD A COURT ADDITION IN 2018, AND IT'S HAVING A CURRENT RENOVATION EXPANSION FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NOW.

IT SHOULD BE FINISHED IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

SO CURRENTLY THE THE SCORE THAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS A TWO DOESN'T REFLECT THE COURT.

THE COURT PART IS IN IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE IN TERMS OF FINISHES, IN TERMS OF FUNCTIONALITY.

BUT THE, THE REST OF THE BUILDING IS CHALLENGE FROM THE BUILDING SYSTEM STANDPOINT.

THOSE SCORES WILL GO UP AT THE COMPLETION OF THAT RENOVATION.

BUT FOR THE FOR THE TIME BEING, IT IS ROUGH.

THE FROM A HEALTH SAFETY SECURITY STANDPOINT THE ENTRANCE, FINDING THE ENTRANCE, THINGS LIKE THAT IS A CHALLENGE.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS SO MUCH STUFF IN THERE.

A LOT OF TIMES I THINK THEY WANT TO KEEP THINGS ORDERLY, BUT CORRIDORS ARE NOT CLEAR.

THERE'S A LOT OF CLUTTER, PARTICULARLY ON THE UPPER LEVEL.

AND THAT ADDS TO A LEVEL OF OF SAFETY AND SECURITY PROBLEMS. 102 MAIN STREET WAS RECENTLY PURCHASED BY THE CITY.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS A GREAT LOCATION FOR FOR A PURCHASE.

OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.

AND WE UNDERSTAND THE CITY INTENDS TO USE IT FOR MORE COMMERCIAL TYPE FUNCTIONS.

SO WE EVALUATED IT FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT.

IS IT READY TO BE USED AT THIS POINT? AND IT IS NOT.

IT HAS SOME CHALLENGES.

PARKING IS NOT APPROPRIATE.

THE SITE SCORE IS LOW, ALTHOUGH IT DOES HAVE PROBABLY THE BEST HIDDEN GEM IN HARDEEVILLE.

THAT TREE IN THE BACKYARD IS REALLY, REALLY PRICELESS.

SO BEING ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT IN THE FUTURE AS THIS BUILDING IS RENOVATED AND ITS PROXIMITY TO OTHER FACILITIES IS REALLY AN ASSET TO YOUR COMMUNITY. BUT FROM A BUILDING STANDPOINT, IT IS NOT READY IN ITS CURRENT STATE TO BE USED AS A COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUILDING.

IT NEEDS NEED A LOT OF WORK IN TERMS OF MECHANICAL SYSTEMS, ELECTRICAL HAVING BATHROOMS THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE, HAVING SOME TYPE OF RAMP ADDED TO GET PEOPLE IN THERE.

AND ULTIMATELY THE SECOND FLOOR IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN STORAGE.

SO YOU ONLY HAVE ONE FLOOR FOR OFFICE MEETING SPACE, WHICH IT IS A GENEROUS SIZED BUILDING, AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS THERE, BUT IT WILL TAKE SOME MONEY TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU CAN USE THAT APPROPRIATELY.

FORTUNATELY, I THINK THIS BUILDING HAS A LOT OF DECENT ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER AND MERIT TO IT.

SO PUTTING MONEY INTO IT AND BLENDING IN WITH THE CONTEXT THERE WITH ITS ADJACENCY, IT MAY MAY BE WORTH IT IN YOUR OPINION, IN OUR OPINION, BUT YOU GUYS WILL DECIDE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING IS PRE ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING.

THESE BUILDINGS SERVE THEIR PURPOSE, BUT THEY OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE THE LIFESPAN OF A TYPICAL MUNICIPAL BUILDING OF 50 YEARS.

THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MADE MORE ECONOMICALLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T LAST AS LONG, BUT IT'S GENERALLY IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.

THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE WE SEE WITH THIS BUILDING IS OVER TIME MORE AND MORE USES ARE BEING ADDED TO THE BUILDING.

SO THERE ARE MORE OFFICE.

THERE'S PRESSURE TO PUT MORE AND MORE OFFICES IN HERE.

THERE'S BEEN A WELDING PROGRAM ADDED TO THIS BUILDING.

THERE'S BEEN A COMMERCIAL DRIVING SCHOOL ADDED TO IT.

AND AS ALL THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN ADDED, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY IN TERMS OF THE LIFE SAFETY FOR THOSE OCCUPANTS.

SOME OF THOSE ARE VERY HIGH RISK SPACES.

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FIRE SAFETY, SEPARATING THOSE USES IS IS A CHALLENGE.

AND, YOU KNOW, SO ULTIMATELY, IF THOSE THINGS ARE ADDRESSED, THIS BUILDING COULD COME UP AND SCORE.

HE'S A LITTLE BIT OF PRESSURE WASHING AND LITTLE, LITTLE TLC ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT IT'S GENERALLY IN GOOD SHAPE.

THE USES ARE CHALLENGE ON THIS ONE.

ALL RIGHT. SO FIRE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS OVERALL SCORE IS A THREE.

THE SITE IS IN GENERAL GOOD SHAPE.

HOWEVER, THERE IS A LACK OF PARKING OR PARKING IS A, I GUESS, A CONSTRAINT AT THIS BUILDING.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT TRAINING HAPPENS QUITE FREQUENTLY HERE, AND THERE'S THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

THE BUILDING ENVELOPE AND ROOF, WE'VE NOTICED THERE ARE NUMEROUS AREAS OF ORGANIC GROWTH ON THE BUILDING THAT NEED TO BE CLEANED.

THERE'S MILDEW DEBRIS ON THE BUILDING.

SO THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED AS WELL AS WINDOWS THAT ARE ON, I GUESS THE TRAINING ROOM SIDE OF THAT BUILDING, THEY ARE SHOWING SOME SOME CLOUDY SUBSTANCES ON THEM, WHICH IS ORGANIC GROWTH IS PROBABLY DUE TO MOISTURE INFILTRATING THE WINDOW PANE.

SO THERE'S THERE'S SOME ISSUE THERE ALSO.

THE MECHANICAL SYSTEM, FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND, THERE'S SOME LEAKING DUCTWORK IN THE BUILDING AND THERE'S SOME MILDEW GROWING NEAR THE UNITS ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING SO THAT CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THE AIR QUALITY AND CAUSE ISSUES THERE.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING THAT SCORE AS BEING A BIT LOWER.

SO ANOTHER ITEM OF NOTE IS THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE FULL BUILDING FOR USE.

HARGRAY COMMUNICATIONS CONTINUES TO OCCUPY ABOUT 20% OF THE BUILDING.

WE JUST THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SHOW THAT ON THIS SLIDE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE PART OF THE BUILDING THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO ACCESS.

SO WE'RE NOT SURE, I GUESS, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THOSE AREAS.

RICHARD GRAY SPORTS COMPLEX I OBSERVED WELL, THE SITE WISE, EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE IN GOOD SHAPE.

THE BUILDING ENVELOPES AND ROOFS OF ALL THE STRUCTURES OUT THERE ARE GENERALLY PRETTY GOOD.

THE FINISHED MATERIALS, LIKE THE SIDING AND THE ROOFING MATERIALS, THEY THEY NEED SOME CLEANING.

ALSO OF NOTE, THE COVERED AREA OF THE BASKETBALL COURT, SOME OF THE THE STRUCTURAL WOOD THAT'S OUT THERE.

IT IT SEEMS TO BE THE CLEAR COAT THAT'S ON.

IT SEEMS TO BE DETERIORATING.

SO IT NEEDS TO JUST BE REDONE.

SO THAT'S WHY THAT SCORE IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER THERE.

AS FAR AS INTERIORS THOSE BUILDINGS APPEAR TO BE USED A LOT AND THE INTERIORS ARE STARTING TO SHOW DAMAGE TO THEM.

AND I'M TALKING ABOUT PLASTIC LAMINATE BEING CHIPPED VCT FLOORS BEING SCUFFED AND GOUGED PARTICULARLY IN THE BASEBALL SOFTBALL PRESSBOX AREA.

AND AS WELL IS ALL THE CONCESSIONS AREAS AT IN THIS FACILITY.

SO THAT IS OF CONCERN.

AS FAR AS MEP I'VE NOTES ABOUT NO ACTIVE HUMIDITY CONTROL FOR ANY OF THE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEMS AND FLUORESCENT FIXTURES, LIGHTING FIXTURES BEING USED, WHICH JUST THEY THEY GENERALLY DON'T GIVE OFF AS GOOD LIGHT AS, AS LED FIXTURES THESE DAYS, NOR DO THEY LAST AS LONG.

CITY HALL. THIS IS A BUILDING WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH.

WE'RE IN IT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? FROM A SITE STANDPOINT, THIS BUILDING SCORED VERY WELL.

IT'S MANICURED. EXCELLENT.

ON THE OUTSIDE. IT CREATES A VERY WELCOMING PRESENCE TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

THE ONE CONCERN ON THE SITE IS OBVIOUSLY THE GRASS AREA BEHIND US.

WE KNOW THERE ARE SOME WATER CONCERNS FOR OVERFLOW PARKING.

SO LONG TERM, WHATEVER USE ENDS UP BACK THERE, THAT THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, EITHER BY ADDING MORE PARKING OR FIGURING OUT WHAT WHAT OTHER PROGRAM MAY MAY GO BACK THERE.

BUILDING ENVELOPE AND ROOF ARE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.

INTERIORS ARE GOOD.

WE DID GET A LOT OF COMMENTS THOUGH FROM MECHANICAL AND NOISE CONCERNS.

YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THIS BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED MORE AS AN OPEN REC CENTER.

SO MANY OF THE OFFICE WALLS DO NOT GO EXTEND TO THE DECK.

SO THAT CREATES A LOT OF ACOUSTICAL CONCERNS FOR MEETINGS, PRIVATE OFFICES.

IT ALSO CREATES, I THINK, SOME CHALLENGES FROM THE MECHANICAL SYSTEM IN TERMS OF HOW THAT WAS MODIFIED OVER THE YEARS TO TO SERVE OFFICE NEEDS PARTICULARLY FROM THE CONTROL STANDPOINT, WE RECEIVED A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE USERS THAT IT'S BEEN A BEEN A STRUGGLE TO GET THE TEMPERATURE RIGHT IN THE VARIOUS AREAS OF THIS BUILDING, AND THERE'S BEEN MANY EFFORTS TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT IT'S STILL AN ONGOING BATTLE.

FROM A SAFETY SECURITY STANDPOINT, THE BUILDING IS IS PRETTY GOOD.

AND IN SOME WAYS, THOUGH, THAT THAT MAY BE AN ARTIFICIAL NUMBER IN SOME WAYS BECAUSE I THINK YOU'VE DONE SUCH A GOOD JOB ADDRESSING

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THE WELCOMING APPEARANCE OF THE OUTSIDE DOES NOT CARRY ON THROUGH TO THE INTERIOR.

YOU COME IN, IT'S VERY DISORIENTED FOR SOMEONE IN THE PUBLIC.

AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH THE LITTLE WINDOWS.

SO MAYBE.

MAYBE WE MAYBE THAT COULD BE STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT AS THIS BUILDING EVOLVES TO STILL MAKE IT.

PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THE GOVERNMENT'S APPROACHABLE, BUT STILL PROVIDE THE SAFETY FOR THE WORKERS AND PEOPLE THAT NEED TO BE HERE.

RIGHT. SO FIRE STATION 83 OVERALL SCORE IS A FOUR.

THE TWO LOWER SCORES YOU'LL SEE THERE THE MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING.

I HAVE SOME NOTES ABOUT THE MEP SYSTEM.

THERE'S SOME DUCTWORK INSULATION FAILURES AND ALSO SOME NO HUMIDITY CONTROL.

THERE ARE A FEW PLUMBING FIXTURES THAT DON'T APPEAR TO BE WORKING, AND THE COILS ON THE OUTSIDE AIR CONDITIONING UNIT NEED CLEANING.

THERE'S EVIDENCE OF LOOKS LIKE THERE'S MAYBE SOME MOISTURE IS GATHERED IN SOME LIGHTS AT THIS BUILDING.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED A BIT FURTHER.

AND FROM I GUESS MY NOTES ALSO ARE SAYING THAT WE HAVE SOME ADA SIGNAGE ISSUES THERE IN THE BUILDING, THAT IT'S LACKING THAT AND ALSO ACCESSIBLE.

A FULLY ACCESSIBLE BATHROOM IS NEEDED IN THIS FACILITY.

THE LIBRARY BUILDING IS OWNED BY THE CITY, BUT HAS A COUNTY TENANT IN IT.

IT IS GENERALLY IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.

THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH TO COMMENT ON HERE.

THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED.

MORE INTO STAFFING LEVEL THAN A FACILITIES LEVEL TO HELP THEM WITH SOME OF THEIR SAFETY CONCERNS.

BUT GENERALLY WE DON'T SEE ANY ANY IMMEDIATE CHALLENGES ON THIS FACILITY.

FIRE STATION 81 SCORES AS A FIVE.

THE ONLY I GUESS REAL ISSUE THAT WE'VE WE'VE NOTICED IS THERE'S COMPLAINTS ABOUT HUMIDITY IN THIS BUILDING, HUMIDITY CONTROL.

AND THAT'S THAT COULD BE A MAJOR ISSUE HERE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED FURTHER.

AS FAR AS HEALTH, SAFETY AND SECURITY, WE HAVE SOME ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES THAT WE'VE WE'VE NOTED HERE, JUST MINOR STUFF.

THE MAIN ACCESSIBLE PATH FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE BUILDING ALSO HAS DOWNSPOUTS FROM THE ROOF KIND OF DUMPING ON THAT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SEE THAT COULD BE CORRECTED.

AND ALSO THE ENTRY VESTIBULE FROM WHAT WE OBSERVED DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE BALLISTIC RATED.

SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN.

AND JUST MADE THAT NUMBER GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

FIRE STATION 84.

THE ONLY ISSUE WE SAW HERE WAS WITH THE SITE THAT IT JUST SEEMS TO BE MINIMALLY LANDSCAPED.

WE THINK IT COULD COULD BENEFIT FROM A LITTLE BIT MORE LANDSCAPING AT THAT SITE.

AND I GUESS ANOTHER ITEM IS THAT SIGNAGE IS LACKING FOR THIS FACILITY.

THE ONLY WAY, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, IS THE FIRE STATION IS MAYBE BECAUSE YOU'RE SEEING THE APPARATUS, BAY DOORS OR, YOU KNOW, THE SIGNAGE ON THE DOOR, BUT IT MIGHT BENEFIT FROM A SIGN AT THE ROAD.

SO IT'S CLEARLY IDENTIFIED WHAT THIS BUILDING IS.

AND THE RECREATION CENTER OF THE ONLY LOWER MARK WE HAVE HERE IS FOR THE SITE.

FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT PARKING IS OR CAN BE A CHALLENGE HERE, PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY'RE HOSTING ATHLETIC TOURNAMENTS HERE.

BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THE CITY IS ALREADY ADDRESSING THIS WITH ADDING PARKING TO THIS FACILITY.

SO THAT SCORE WILL GO UP AS THAT PROJECT IS COMPLETED.

AND SO THIS IS A SORT OF WRAP UP SLIDE FROM ALL THE ASSESSMENTS.

AGAIN, THE SCORES ARE LOCATED ON THE RIGHT, BUT OUR GENERAL TAKEAWAYS ARE ON THE LEFT.

THE OLD CITY HALL BUILDING GIVING THE CONDITIONS THAT WE SAW OUT THERE AND THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND HOW IT'S LAID OUT.

WE DON'T REALLY SEE IT BEING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE VALUABLE FOR YOUR USE GOING FORWARD.

POLICE AND COURT BUILDING.

WE THINK THAT IT COULD BENEFIT WITH SOME INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT, BUT WE REALLY THINK THAT THE POLICE OPERATIONS, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO TO THAT BUILDING, IT'S NOT GOING TO REALLY SUPPORT YOUR POLICE GOING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE.

IT'S JUST THE BUILDING IS NOT BIG ENOUGH.

I THINK AT THIS, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, PERHAPS COURTS COULD STAY THERE THOUGH.

THE CITY HALL ONCE AGAIN, THERE'S ROUTINE MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND SOME INVESTMENT TO JUST IMPROVE THE FUNCTION OF THE BUILDING.

BUT THAT MAY BE AN OPTION THAT YOU WANT TO PURSUE THERE.

AND AS WELL AS 102 MAIN STREET, WHICH IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THAT BUILDING ALSO NEEDS SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT FOR IT TO FUNCTION FOR OFFICE SPACE USE, AND THE LEAST MINIMAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED AT THE REC CENTER, LIBRARY AND GENERALLY ALL THE FIRE STATIONS.

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YES. GOOD AFTERNOON.

GOOD AFTERNOON. SO WITH FORECASTING AND PROJECTIONS, THIS WAS AN IN-DEPTH STUDY OF THE POPULATION TRENDS THAT THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE HAS OBSERVED.

AND IT'S NO SECRET THAT IN RECENT YEARS THE GROWTH HAS BEEN EVIDENT.

SO A FEW THINGS OF NOTE BEFORE WE REALLY GET INTO IT.

POPULATION FORECASTING IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO DO DOWN TO THE INDIVIDUAL LEVEL.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO ACCOUNT FOR ALL, YOU KNOW, POSSIBILITIES FOR FUTURE EVENTS.

WHETHER IT IS SOME KIND OF MASS INFLUX OR EXODUS OF A PERCENTAGE OF A POPULATION TO TAKE PLACE WITHIN A TIMELINE.

NOW, WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN DEVELOP KEY TAKEAWAYS AND GROWTH TRENDS AS ALMOST BENCHMARK OR BOOKENDS TO IDENTIFY WHAT CAN BE EXPECTED IN THE TIMELINE THAT WE STUDIED.

PART OF THIS STUDY WAS LOOKING AT A POPULATION TREND OF WHAT WE CALL KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS.

THESE ARE MEASURABLE METRICS PROVIDED BY THE CITY THAT WE ARE ABLE TO ASSESS IN TERMS OF WHAT HAS BEEN OBSERVED.

THESE METRICS WENT BACK NINE YEARS FROM THE TIME OF THE STUDY IN 2023 AND BEGINNING IN 2015 THESE METRICS INCLUDED THINGS LIKE HISTORIC ESTIMATES.

THERE WERE BUILDING PERMIT NUMBERS, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.

WE ALSO USED THE NUMBERS FROM THE 2019 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS KIND OF A FRAME OF REFERENCE AS WELL AS TOTAL CITY EMPLOYEE COUNTS AND FIRE AND POLICE CALLS. SO GENERALLY, WITH POPULATION FORECASTING, SHORT TERM IS A LITTLE BIT MORE PREDICTABLE THAN LONG TERM.

BUT IT IS EVIDENT, AS WE'LL SEE THAT THE GROWTH IS TO BE EXPECTED MOVING FORWARD.

WE LOOKED AT A SHORT TERM INTO 2028, AND THEN WE ALSO PROJECTED INTO THE LONG TERM PHASE, WHICH WENT OUT 20 YEARS FROM THE TIME OF THE STUDY ENDING IN 2043. SO THIS LINE CHART HAS A LOT ON IT.

SO WE'LL KIND OF BREAK IT DOWN BRIEFLY.

EACH OF THE LINES ON THE THAT YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM, EACH OF THOSE HARDEEVILLE LINES, THOSE WERE USED AS THE FRAME OF REFERENCE FROM THE 2019 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND AFTER SOME GENERAL DISCUSSION IT WAS THE HIGH MEDIUM, THE ORANGE.

THAT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO SEE.

IT'S THE SECOND FROM THE TOP AS THE UPPER BENCHMARK.

AND THE BLACK LINE, WHICH IS THAT CURVED LINE.

MEETING IT AT THE 2043 MARK IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH WITH THE DATA THAT WE OBSERVED PROVIDED FROM THE CITY.

AND THESE WERE ALL OF THOSE METRICS THAT WERE APPLIED TO THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE OBSERVED, THINGS LIKE BUILDING A BUILDING DEVELOPMENTS, AS WELL AS TOTAL EMPLOYEE COUNTS, FIRE AND POLICE CALLS.

SO WE USED WE WANTED TO USE THOSE TWO TO KIND OF ISOLATE WHAT THE TREND IS TO BE EXPECTED.

AND THERE IS A DELTA SPECIFICALLY IN THE 30S OF BETWEEN THE HIGH END AND WHAT THE LOW END WOULD BE.

THE GENERAL MEDIAN IN THE 2030S IS ABOUT MID TO UPPER 20,000 IN POPULATION.

BUT THIS GAP BEGINS TO CLOSE THE FURTHER YOU GET OUT INTO 2043 AT THE 20 YEAR MARK.

SO IN THE BLUE HERE WE HAVE THE STUDY'S POPULATION FORECAST, WHICH APPLIES ALL OF THE METRICS THAT WE'VE OBSERVED AT THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE.

HARDEEVILLE HAS ALSO OBSERVED AND IN ORANGE THAT IS THAT HIGH MEDIUM FORECAST DERIVED FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN 2019.

SO THE GENERAL TAKEAWAY HERE, EXCUSE ME, IS THAT THESE THIS GROWTH TREND IS EVIDENT.

AND THE BEST PRACTICE MOVING FORWARD IS TO CONTINUE TO PLAN FOR THIS GROWTH EARLIER RATHER THAN LATER, BECAUSE IT WILL COME MOVING FROM THERE. THE BIG TAKEAWAYS HERE ARE THAT THE GENERAL CURRENT POPULATION ESTIMATE IS ABOUT 12,000 TO 12 12.5 THOUSAND PEOPLE. ON THE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH, USING THE DATA THAT WE APPLIED FOR THE 20 YEAR HORIZON INTO 2043 WOULD BE AROUND 40,000 PEOPLE.

THIS IS OVER 3 OR 3 TIMES THE GROWTH OF THE CURRENT ESTIMATE IN 20 YEARS.

NOW, THE OTHER THING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IS THAT POPULATION FORECASTING GROWTH IS EXPONENTIAL.

THIS SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE WILL NOT BE MOVING IN ANNUALLY.

THIS GROWTH CAN VARY ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS.

AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO DEVELOP IN INDUSTRIES AND BUSINESSES, MOVE INTO THE AREA AND BEGIN TO CALL HARDEEVILLE HOME.

AND THIS GROWTH, THE MAJOR TAKEAWAY HERE WILL REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN FACILITY SPACE TO ASSIST AND MANAGING THE STAFF GROWTH AND THE SERVICE DEMAND FROM THE POPULATION OF THE CITY.

THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON.

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SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SPACE AND HOW TO PROJECT THAT OUT WE KNOW THAT DIFFERENT BUILDINGS ARE BEING USED IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND SOMETIMES SOME SPACES WHICH MAY HAVE HAD ONE INTENDED USE ARE BEING USED IN A DIFFERENT WAY TODAY.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, WE WANT TO FIRST EVALUATE WHAT IS WHAT SHOULD IT BE TODAY AND THEN START TO PROJECT THAT OUT.

SO WE APPLY SPACE STANDARDS.

SO THESE ARE TYPICAL SQUARE FOOTAGES OF OFTEN REPETITIVE STANDARD ROOMS LIKE OFFICES BATHROOMS CONFERENCE ROOMS THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE'S GENERAL SPACE METRICS THAT GO WITH THOSE.

AND WE CREATE A BASELINE PROGRAM.

AND THEN WE TAKE THAT PROGRAM AND WE ALSO BENCHMARK THAT AGAINST OTHER SIMILAR FACILITIES.

TO, TO SEE IF WE'RE WE'RE CLOSE.

AND THEN WE ALSO LOOK AT HOW THAT BASELINE PROGRAM WOULD PROJECT OUT AS STAFF ARE ADDED TO ACCOMMODATE THE POPULATION AND THE SERVICE DEMAND GROWTH AS WELL.

TERMINOLOGY. WHEN WE'RE MEASURING A BUILDING, WE START LOOKING FIRST AT THE NET SQUARE FOOTAGE.

SO THAT'S IF WE WERE TO SAY, DRAW A LINE ON THE INSIDE OF THIS ROOM, WALL TO WALL.

THAT'S THE NET SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A ROOM.

THERE'S THEN A NET TO GROSSING FACTOR.

SO WE APPLY A NUMBER AND THAT ACCOMMODATES THE DEPTH OF THE INTERIOR WALLS, CIRCULATION SPACES, CHASES, THINGS LIKE THAT WITHIN A BUILDING. WHEN WE LOOK AT A DEPARTMENT, SAY WE'RE LOOKING AT FINANCE, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW ALL OF THOSE SQUARE FOOTAGES ADD UP TOGETHER INTO A DEPARTMENT SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND THEN THERE'S A TOTAL NET TO GROSS THAT GETS US TO A BUILDING GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY, IF WE TAKE A LINE AND DRAW IT ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. WHAT IS THE AREA OF A BUILDING? SO WE EVALUATED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 12 FACILITIES.

AND OF COURSE, THE REC CENTER, I THINK IT'S NO SURPRISE IS PROBABLY THE LARGEST TOTAL AREA OUT OF ALL THOSE FACILITIES.

OF COURSE, THEY HAVE REALLY LARGE USES LIKE COURTS AND GYM AREAS THAT ACCOMMODATE A LOT OF THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE.

THEN IT STARTS TO GET TO MORE OF SOME OF THE OTHER CENTRALIZED SERVICES, SUCH AS POLICE AND COURTS, PUBLIC WORKS FIRE STATION 81 IS A LARGER FACILITY.

AND I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT WE WE DID NOT INCLUDE FIRE STATION 82.

WE KNOW THAT THERE'S OTHER THINGS GOING ON THERE.

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY EXIST FOR US TO EVALUATE AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT STAT, THE POPULATION GROWTH THAT ALEC WENT OVER, WE THEN WANTED TO LOOK AT HOW DOES STAFF START TO INCREASE WITH THAT POPULATION GROWTH. WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT MODELS AND THIS IS A RANGE.

LOW IS IN GREEN.

HIGH IS IN THE DARK BLUE PER CAPITA.

AND SO WE LOOKED AT THAT HOW IT GROWS OVER TEN, 15, 20 YEARS.

AND YOU COULD BE ANYWHERE UPWARDS OF CLOSE TO 500 TO ALMOST 700 AND THAT 20 YEAR RANGE, DEPENDING ON HOW DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS MAY GROW.

THERE'S OF COURSE, A LOT OF OPERATIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT MAY GO INTO THAT AND SERVICES THAT MAY BE COMPLEMENTARY AT THAT TIME.

WHEN YOU START TO LOOK AT THE AVERAGE AND THE LOW AND SPREAD THAT ACROSS 20 YEARS, YOU ROUGHLY GET ABOUT 16 TO 21 EMPLOYEES BEING ADDED ANNUALLY.

NOW, AGAIN, JUST LIKE ALEC MENTIONED, THAT CAN CHANGE FROM YEAR TO YEAR.

WE KNOW WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND NOW.

WE ALSO KNOW IT'S HARD TO TO HIRE INDIVIDUALS.

I MEAN, THAT'S A CHALLENGE EVERYONE HAS, BUT IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO WE NEED TO HIRE PEOPLE AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND PLACES FOR THESE PEOPLE TO WORK AND ACCOMMODATE THEM THROUGH SQUARE FOOTAGE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

MAY I ASK THE QUESTION? YEAH. THOSE PROJECTIONS OF OF STAFFING.

THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH A MATHEMATICAL MODEL BASED ON ON BUT ALL THE OTHER FACTORS, RIGHT? IS THERE OR WILL THERE EVER BE ANY COMPARISON TO LIKE SIZE MUNICIPALITIES? WE DID DO THAT AS PART OF THIS STUDY.

YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

WE DID LOOK AT COMPARISONS.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN EXACTLY BY THAT QUESTION? WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? NOT NECESSARILY.

YOU KNOW, 40,000 PEOPLE NEED 1000 STAFF NECESSARILY.

MAYBE IT DOES, MAYBE IT DOESN'T.

BUT WE DO HAVE, FOR INSTANCE, A MODEL IN BLUFFTON THAT'S THEY'RE PROJECTING THAT 40,000.

NOW HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO THEY HAVE AND ARE THEY PROPERLY STAFFED OR UN PROPERLY STAFFED?

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AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.

YES. GOOD QUESTION.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION WITH THAT AS THAT INCREASE IN EMPLOYEES, YOU SAID 16 ANNUALLY, IS THAT MY THOUGHT ON THAT IS, IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE OUR PUBLIC SAFETY STAFF EXPONENTIALLY AS WE GROW.

YOU KNOW, I LIKE SEEING THE NUMBERS WHERE THEY ARE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE PROJECTIONS ARE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

BACKED OUT OF THAT TOTAL.

YOU KNOW, IT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT, GIVES ME A LITTLE BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

NOW, I WILL SAY THAT WE THIS IS THE BIG PICTURE VIEW.

WE DID LOOK BREAK IT DOWN BY BY DEPARTMENTS.

AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE BENCHMARKS AGAINST OTHER SIMILAR SIZED MUNICIPALITIES.

SO WE LOOKED AT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES OF THE SIZE THAT WE'RE AT TODAY, AND WE LOOKED AT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES OF THE SIZE THAT WE ARE PROJECTED TO BE NOW.

IT'S ALWAYS HARD TO FIND THE RIGHT THE EXACT NUMBER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT WE CAN COMPARE.

WHAT IS HARDER TO DO WITH THAT IS, SAY, ARE THEY ARE THEY STAFFED CORRECTLY? YOU KNOW, ARE THEY UNDERSTAFFED, OVERSTAFFED AND CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS ALSO, YOU KNOW, SERVICES THAT THEY MAY HAVE THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE.

AND WHAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE AT DIFFERENT TIMES WHEN THINGS ARE BEING REPORTED OUT.

BUT WE FEEL LIKE THERE WERE THERE WERE NUMBERS IN THERE.

WE DID ADJUST NUMBERS IN THE STUDY AS IT WENT INTO THE SPACE PROJECTIONS BASED OFF OF BENCHMARKS, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THAT MATHEMATICAL EQUATION DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS TURN OUT TO FEEL RIGHT.

YEAH. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE INTO SQUARE FOOTAGE? WE HAVE THAT ROUGHLY 120.

IT'S CLOSE TO 127,000FT² TODAY ACROSS THOSE 12 FACILITIES.

IF WE APPLY THAT BASELINE SPACE PROGRAM TO THE NUMBER OF STAFF AND THE FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE, WE'RE BASICALLY IN A DEFICIT OF JUST SHY OF 32,000FT² TODAY.

SO IF YOU WERE TO ADD A BUILDING TODAY THAT WOULD GET YOU THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU REALLY NEED TO OPERATE TODAY TO PUT EVERYBODY WHERE THEY NEED TO GET THE RIGHT FUNCTIONAL USES SUPPORT SPACE ACROSS THE DEPARTMENTS.

WHEN WE START TO LOOK OUT, WE NEED IN TEN YEARS TO ADD SIX ANOTHER 62,000 ROUGHLY SQUARE FEET TO THAT.

AND THEN LOOKING ANOTHER TEN YEARS OUT, YOU COULD BE ADDING ANOTHER 103.

NOW, SOME OF THIS I WOULD SAY IS DEPENDENT ON WHAT THOSE NEEDS MAY BE DURING SOME OF THAT TIME AND WHEN THEY ACTUALLY HAPPEN.

YOU HAVE TO BE. ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THAT IS JUST IF YOU'RE A MORE GRAPHICAL PERSON, A LITTLE LESS ABOUT THE NUMBERS, THE UPPER LEFT HAND THERE, THAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WE HAVE TODAY.

EACH ONE OF THOSE BOXES REPRESENTS ROUGHLY 10,000FT².

SO IN THE NEXT IF WE DON'T SAY SORRY, IF WE RIGHTSIZE WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY ADDING ROUGHLY THAT 30,000FT² AND TEN YEARS, WE'RE NEARLY DOUBLING.

AND THEN IN 20 YEARS, YOU IT'S A SIGNIFICANT ADD.

ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE MATHEMATICAL MODELING.

IF YOU USE TODAY'S AS YOUR BASE.

OKAY, THERE ARE CERTAIN THE BIGGEST SPACE AT 35,000 IS THE REC CENTER.

YEAH, IT IS, BUT NO MATTER HOW MUCH THE POPULATION GOES UP.

WE DON'T NEED A BIGGER SPACE.

THE REC CENTER STAYS THE SAME.

SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST MATHEMATICAL BUILDING BLOCKS THAT YOU'RE USING IS ONE THAT BASICALLY CAN REMAIN STATIC FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

SO YOU TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

SO WE DID.

NOW I WILL SAY, JUST LIKE THE STAFFING THAT WE LOOKED AT, WE HAVE A BETTER BREAKDOWN OF HOW THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE SPREADS OUT ACROSS THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.

NOW THERE IS IN 20 YEARS, THERE STILL MAY BE A NEED FOR SPACE ON PARKS AND REC, BUT IT'S NOT A PRIORITY AS OTHER SPACES ARE.

RIGHT. THEY'RE NOT IN A DEFICIT TODAY.

THEY HAVE REALLY GREAT SPACE TODAY, AND THERE'S ROOM FOR GROWTH WITH THE SPACE THAT THEY HAVE.

THE OTHER THING TO NOTE, TOO, IS THAT THAT SPACE MAY NOT THE NEED IN 20 YEARS MAY NOT BE A REC CENTER.

IT COULD BE ANOTHER REC CENTER, BUT IT MAY BE OTHER RECREATIONAL FUNCTIONS AND USES.

I THINK THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S VALID.

WE WERE ASKED ALSO TO START PRIORITIZING WHERE IS THE NEED.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DRIVING TOWARDS.

SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE SPACE WE KNOW RIGHT NOW THERE'S A DEFINITE DEFICIT OF SPACE ACROSS ACROSS OUR FACILITIES HERE IN HARDEEVILLE.

THE BIGGEST NEEDS THAT WE FOUND IN THAT STUDY ARE REALLY FOR POLICE.

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POLICE HAS THE BIGGEST NEED FOR SPACE.

THE BIGGEST DEFICIT CURRENTLY.

I KNOW THERE'S A RENOVATION.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S REALLY KIND OF A TEMPORARY TO GET THEM INTO A BETTER SPOT NOW, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO NEED SIGNIFICANTLY MORE SPACE.

CITY HALL, AND I WOULD SAY THE FUNCTIONS THAT MAY COMPLEMENT CITY HALL, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE COMMUNICATION INFORMATION AND THE DIGITAL SOLUTIONS GROUP.

THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NEED FOR SPACE THERE AS THEY CONTINUE TO GROW.

AND I KNOW THAT'S BEING FELT PREDOMINANTLY RIGHT NOW AND PROBABLY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING INSPECTIONS.

SPACES UNDER SIGNIFICANT PRESSURE.

IN TERMS OF HAVING THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF WORK SPACES FOR PEOPLE AS WE HIRE, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO SIT? AS WELL AS WHERE CAN PEOPLE MEET? DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT MEETING SPACES IN THE RIGHT LOCATIONS, SIZE CORRECTLY, THE SUPPORT SPACE TO SUPPORT THE STAFF IN THOSE LOCATIONS.

AND ADEQUATE STORAGE AS WELL.

WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THAT IS ONE GROUP THAT HAS A LOT OF CAPACITY, I THINK, BUILT INTO MANY OF THEIR FACILITIES TODAY AND THEIR FIRE STATIONS.

SO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD WITHIN THOSE.

SO THAT WAS PLANNED VERY WELL WHEN THOSE WERE BUILT.

AND I KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING.

THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PLAN ABOUT WHERE NEW STATIONS WOULD GO AS WHERE THEY WOULD GO AS HARDEEVILLE CONTINUES TO DEVELOP, BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT IS AROUND RESPONSE TIME, SIMILAR TO POLICE.

BUT IT'S STILL PROBABLY FOR POLICE, A MORE CENTRALIZED MODEL.

SO AND AGAIN, STATION 82 IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS.

SO THE NEEDS AROUND 82 ARE NOT A PART OF THIS STUDY.

SO AGAIN, WE THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS LIKE PARKS AND RECS, THE LIBRARY, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THERE MAY BE NEEDS IN 15, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THEY'RE NOT A PRIORITY IN TERMS OF THE SPACE NEEDS TODAY.

AND THOSE COULD BE THINGS THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED AT THOSE TIMES.

IT'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, PARKS AND RECS, FOR EXAMPLE, IS ANOTHER THING THAT'S REALLY CONTINGENT UPON WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FOR, WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.

AND AGAIN, IT MAY NOT BE A REC CENTER, IT MAY BE OTHER TYPES OF FACILITIES.

THE OTHER THING FOR PUBLIC WORKS, I KNOW BRIAN MENTIONED THIS.

THERE IS A NEED FOR OFFICE SPACE WITH THEM, SO THAT IS A PRIORITY FOR THEM AS WELL AS THE STORAGE.

I KNOW THERE'S A FACILITY THAT JUST WAS COMPLETED, BUT THEY WILL NEED ADDITIONAL SPACE GOING INTO THE FUTURE.

AND THEN WE MAY NEED TO THINK ABOUT A STRATEGY FOR THE WELDING AND CDL PROGRAMS IN THE BUILDING THAT THEY HAVE.

IF THEY CONTINUE TO OCCUPY THAT SPACE OR IF THEY GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND THEN PUBLIC WORKS USES THAT SPACE.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THOSE PRIORITIES, THOSE TAKEAWAYS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT AND START TO LOOK AT HOW THEY TRANSLATE INTO SPATIAL CONCEPTS AND PUT SOME COST TO THOSE.

SO YOU UNDERSTAND TO WHAT EXTENT SOME OF THESE SOLUTIONS FOR JUST THE PRIORITIES WILL HAVE TO UNDERGO.

SO WE WANTED TO, TO TAKE THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE REVIEWED WON THE FCA.

SO THAT'S THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT.

THAT'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE PIECE OF EACH BUILDING.

THEN LOOK AT THE SPACE NEEDS BY QUANTITY.

SO THAT'S HOW MUCH SPACE DO WE NEED.

AND THEN WHAT IS THE QUALITY OF THE SPACE OF THESE BUILDINGS AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED UPON.

SO IT'S EASY TO SEE THAT THE ONES THAT PROBABLY ARE NOT THE PRIORITY, THEY HAVE GREEN ACROSS THE BOARD OR THE COURTS.

LIBRARY AND PARKS AND RECREATION.

THE ONE THAT I THINK IS THE MOST PROMINENT HERE IS POLICE.

IT HAS RED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, SPACE AND QUALITY OF SPACE.

SECOND IS THAT COMMUNICATION INFORMATION AND DIGITAL SOLUTIONS AGAIN NEEDS SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN TERMS OF SPACE AND QUALITY OF SPACE. AND THEN WHAT I WOULD CALL ARE THOSE A LOT OF THE CITY HALL FUNCTIONS AS WELL.

WHILE THIS BUILDING MAY BE IN BETTER SHAPE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS, THERE'S STILL A NEED FOR SPACE AS YOU GROW.

AND SOME OF THE QUALITY OF SPACE.

THERE'S SOME ISSUES BRIAN MENTIONED IN TERMS OF SOUND AND MEP AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT, AND JUST HAVING ADEQUATE SUPPORT WITHIN THE BUILDING AND THEN PUBLIC WORKS. IS THAT SECONDARY PRIORITY? THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE BUILDING.

THEY DEFINITELY NEED SOME SPACE.

THEY HAVE JUST GOTTEN SOME STORAGE, BUT THERE'S STILL IT'S STILL GOING TO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED A FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AT LEAST.

AND THEN THE QUALITY OF SOME OF THAT SPACE WE TALKED ABOUT.

I'M GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO BOUNCE BACK AND FORTH AS WE TALK THROUGH A DIFFERENT ONES.

I'M GOING TO LET CHRIS TALK ABOUT COSTS.

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THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR COST PER ACRE.

THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CITY BUYING LAND FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.

WE DEVELOPED THAT BASED ON WITHOUT REALLY KNOWING WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO.

IN THE CITY. WE TOOK AN AVERAGE OF LAND AVAILABLE BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE FOUND ONLINE AND THROUGH REAL ESTATE AGENTS DESIGN AND PROCUREMENT.

SO THAT'S A PERCENTAGE BASED ON THE CONSTRUCTION COST.

AND THAT'S GOING TO COVER THINGS LIKE DESIGN FEES, TESTING, INSPECTIONS.

THE CITY WILL HAVE TO PAY AS ANYTHING PRE-CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

AND THE BIG ONE ARE THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

THESE WERE BASED ON THE SPACE NEEDS THAT MPS COMPILED, AND WE USED A COST PER SQUARE FOOT FOR BOTH NEW CONSTRUCTION AND RENOVATIONS, AND WE DEVELOPED THAT COST THROUGH A FEW DIFFERENT SOURCES.

WE USE CIS MEANS, WHICH IS A COST DATA DATABASE.

WE ALSO ARE FOLLOWING TRENDS THAT ARE PUT OUT BY AGC.

THEY GIVE OUT QUARTERLY TRENDS ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY.

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE HAVE OUR OWN HISTORICAL DATA ON THINGS INBICON HAS BUILT AND BID OUT WITHIN THE LAST MONTHS TO WEEKS.

SO WE HAVE A PRETTY ACCURATE COST OF WHAT SIMILAR CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO BE.

FFA, THAT'S YOUR FURNITURE, FURNISHINGS, FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT THAT'S ALSO A PERCENTAGE BASED ON YOUR CONSTRUCTION COST CAN RANGE ANYWHERE FROM SEVEN AND A HALF TO 14% DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF BUILDING.

AND THAT'S ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF A TYPICAL CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT.

SO THINK ABOUT AGAIN, FURNISHINGS, COUCHES, LOW VOLTAGE AUDIO, VISUAL THINGS LIKE THAT.

THE NEXT TWO ARE PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT AND THE BIGGEST QUESTION MARK.

OWNERS CONTINGENCY AND INFLATION.

INFLATION IS A HOT BUTTON ISSUE THESE DAYS, ESPECIALLY IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY.

SO THESE ARE ALSO PERCENTAGE BASED.

WE'RE CONSTANTLY TRACKING INFLATION PERCENTAGES AND THEY'RE VITAL TO BE INCLUDED INTO A BUDGET BEFORE YOU GO.

WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT CONSTRUCTION PRICES ARE GOING TO DO IN TEN YEARS OR 20 YEARS OR REALLY EVEN NEXT WEEK.

SO ADDING THESE AND INCORPORATING THESE INTO THE BUDGETS NOW ENSURE YOU'RE GOING TO BE PROTECTED MOVING FORWARD.

ALL RIGHT. SO THE FIRST BUILDING WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY IS POLICE STATION.

SO MULTIPLE OPTIONS FOR THAT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU A TEN YEAR VERSION OF THIS.

A NEW POLICE STATION AND A 20 YEAR.

THE EXISTING FACILITY REALLY CAN'T BE ADDED ON TO MEET YOUR NEEDS.

SO WE'RE PROPOSING A TWO TO BE TO BE DETERMINED SITE.

TEN YEARS OUT, IF YOU WANTED TO DESIGN SOMETHING NOW, WHICH WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, PROCURING THE LAND, DESIGNING IT, GETTING IT BUILT.

PROBABLY A THREE YEAR PROCESS OUT, SO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

BUT TO MEET THE GOALS AND ANTICIPATED GROWTH IN TEN YEARS, YOU'D NEED ABOUT A 31,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT WOULD INCLUDE A DEDICATED SPACE FOR AN EOC, AND IT COULD DOUBLE AS A TRAINING ROOM.

IT WOULD NEED A DECENT AMOUNT OF LAND FOR PARKING, FOR SECURE VEHICLES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND IF WE IF WE IF WE PULL THAT UP TO SAY A 20 YEAR VERSION OF THIS BUILDING YOU WOULD NEED ABOUT 50,000FT².

AND FOR THAT WE WOULD DEPENDING ON THE SITE, WE'D RECOMMEND A TWO STORY BUILDING FOR THAT.

SO YOU'D HAVE ABOUT A 25,000 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT TIMES TWO.

YOU NEED A LARGER AT THAT POINT, YOU'D NEED A LARGER EOC AND MORE PARKING LOT AND MORE LAND AS WELL.

SO OBVIOUSLY THOSE COSTS ARE HIGHER, BUT THEIR CONSTRUCTION COSTS NOW ARE CERTAINLY MORE AFFORDABLE THAN THEY WOULD BE IN 20 YEARS.

SO I THINK CHRIS CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW THAT THAT AFFECTS THE, THE BUDGETS.

YEAH. SO THE FIRST TWO CHARTS, LIKE I SAID, BROKEN DOWN INTO SIX CATEGORIES.

THIS IS YOUR TEN YEAR SPACE NEEDS FOR THE NEW POLICE STATION STARTED TODAY AT 31,000, JUST OVER 31,000FT².

WE ARE BUDGETING OR WE PROPOSE A BUDGET OF AROUND $27 MILLION.

NOW, IF YOU SEE THE CHART TO YOUR RIGHT, IF YOU WERE TO HOLD OFF AND WAIT TEN YEARS TO WHEN YOU GROW, YOU'RE ALREADY AT THAT CAPACITY.

THAT WOULD ADD AN ADDITIONAL INFLATION OF ALMOST $15 MILLION.

SO THAT'S KIND OF A GLARING FIGURE YOU'LL SEE THROUGHOUT.

TO SHOW WHAT WHAT WAITING COULD DO TO A PROJECT.

NOW JUMPING FORWARD TO THE 50,400 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY THAT IS FORECASTED OUT AT 20 YEARS.

WE'RE BUDGETING STARTING TODAY JUST OVER $40 MILLION.

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THANKS. BRING YOUR CHECKBOOK, CHIEF.

YOU. YOU GOT IT RIGHT.

YOU HAVE IT, CHIEF.

PLANT THAT MONEY TREE.

PLANT IT TODAY. EXPENSIVE.

SO THIS IS A LITTLE SUMMARY OF WHAT WE THINK COULD BE DONE FOR THE CITY HALL.

AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST DIAGRAMS AND IDEAS.

FOR THE CITY HALL, WE SEE TWO OPTIONS.

ONE WOULD BE JUST A COMPLETELY NEW REPLACEMENT FACILITY TO BE BUILT ON AN UNDETERMINED SITE.

OPTION TWO WOULD TO BE WOULD BE A RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING CITY HALL WITH AN ADDITION OF, YOU KNOW, TO THE REAR OF THE SITE TO GIVE MORE SPACE FOR CITY OPERATIONS.

AND SO THIS IS FOR THIS IS STARTING OFF WITH A NEW CITY HALL.

SO THIS DIAGRAM IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, SHOWING YOUR EXISTING WHAT WE'RE CALLING YOUR SORT OF MUNICIPAL AREA.

IT'S WHERE YOUR LARGEST COLLECTION OF BUILDINGS ARE AND SHOWING PROPERTY THAT YOU ALREADY OWN AND UTILIZING IT TO BUILD A NEW CITY HALL THAT WOULD BE ALONG WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD.

WITH THIS, ALL THE FUNCTIONS OF THIS BUILDING WOULD, WOULD THEN MOVE INTO THIS NEW BUILDING.

THIS BUILDING WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE REPURPOSED FOR OTHER CITY FUNCTIONS THAT WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED.

ANOTHER THING OF NOTE HERE IS THAT WE'RE SHOWING THE OLD CITY HALL BEING DEMOLISHED IN THIS DIAGRAM.

AND WE WE FEEL THAT THERE'S SPACE THERE FOR THREE SIZABLE PORTABLES TO PUT ON THAT SITE THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, YOUR GROWTH IN HIRING OF INDIVIDUALS IN THE MEANTIME, WHILE YOU'RE BUILDING A NEW CITY HALL.

ALSO, ANOTHER ITEM OF NOTE IS YOU'LL SEE AT 102 MAIN STREET, WE'RE SHOWING SOME PARKING BEING ADDED.

WE THINK THAT THAT COULD BE UTILIZED BETWEEN THERE AND FIRE STATION OR FIRE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS.

AND ALSO YOU CAN MAKE CONNECTIONS FROM THOSE PARKING LOTS TO THE BACK AREA OR THE BACK YARD OF 1 OR 2 MAIN STREET, AND CREATING A PARK LIKE AREA FOR CITY EMPLOYEES AND FOR JUST ANYONE TO ENJOY.

SO THAT'S OUR FIRST OPTION THERE.

AND THAT THAT NEW CITY HALL IS, IS BEING ONE STORY AT 27.

WELL, ALMOST 28,000FT².

SO OPTION TWO IS THE 20 YEAR NEED.

SO THAT'S 41,000, ALMOST 42,000FT².

WOULD BE AND WE'RE SHOWING IT.

JUST LIKE I SAID, THIS IS JUST AN IDEA BUT SHOWING IT IN THE SAME LOCATION.

BUT THE BUILDING BEING TWO FLOORS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT I'VE NOTED IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WOULD BE TRUE ON THIS AS WELL.

AND I GUESS I LEFT THIS OUT.

BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE KNOW THAT VETERANS PARK IS IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING BUILT OR GETTING DOWN THE ROAD TO BEING BUILT.

AND SO WE THINK, YOU KNOW, BY PUTTING A NEW CITY HALL IN THIS AREA, IT COULD REALLY CREATE JUST A NICE GENERAL MUNICIPAL AREA FOR THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE.

GIVE BAD NEWS. OH, LET'S SEE WHAT THE CRYSTAL BALL SAYS.

SO FOR THE TEN YEAR SPACE NEEDS, THE BUDGET FOR THE NEW CITY HALL WOULD BE JUST UNDER $20.5 MILLION.

AGAIN, WE DID SHOW THE INFLATION.

IF YOU WERE TO WAIT TEN YEARS AND BUILD THAT SAME 27,800 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, YOU WOULD NEED AN ADDITION.

YOU WOULD HAVE AN $11.3 MILLION JUST IN INFLATION FOR WAITING THAT PERIOD.

AWESOME. YEP.

GOING TO THE LARGER MODEL.

TOTAL BUDGET FOR THAT STARTED TODAY.

STARTED DESIGN TODAY? TOTAL BUDGET WOULD BE $30.6 MILLION.

AGAIN, IT STARTED IN 20 YEARS.

EVEN MORE INFLATION.

YOU WOULD ADD ABOUT $43.2 MILLION WORTH OF INFLATION.

AGAIN, I PREFACE THAT BY SAYING NO ONE HAS A CRYSTAL BALL, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET HAS SHOWN US OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.

ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS OPTION NUMBER TWO, WHICH COULD BE A TEN YEAR OR A 20 YEAR ITEM.

BUT THIS IS RENOVATING THE EXISTING CITY HALL BUILDING THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.

AND DOING AN ADDITION IMMEDIATELY TO THE REAR.

SO BY DOING THAT, WE KNOW THAT THE GRASSY AREA BEHIND THIS BUILDING IS UTILIZED FOR SOME CITY FESTIVALS AND PARKING.

THAT AREA WOULD BE REDUCED.

BUT POTENTIALLY MAYBE YOU CAN FIND A NEW SITE OR IT CAN STILL FUNCTION IN A SMALLER FOOTPRINT.

BUT THE TEN YEAR OPTION WOULD BE TO DO THIS AT ONE STORY.

AND ALSO THE 20 YEAR OPTION IS IS TWO STORY BUILDING OF THE SAME FOOTPRINT THE EXISTING CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND MORE PUBLIC

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SO THAT'S OPTION NUMBER TWO.

AND. YEP.

AND AS YOU'LL SEE HERE, THE RENOVATION AND EXPANSION OF THIS CURRENT BUILDING WOULD BE JUST UNDER $10.5 MILLION.

THE THING TO NOTE HERE IS YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY LAND ACQUISITION.

YOU ALREADY OWNED THE PROPERTY.

YOU WOULD JUST BE EXPANDING OUT BACK AGAIN.

STARTING IN TEN YEARS, $5.7 MILLION OF ADDITIONAL INFLATION, WITH A TOTAL TOTAL BUDGET OF $16.2 MILLION.

THE 20 YEAR OPTION.

I'M LOOKING AT STARTING TODAY, $19.3 MILLION STARTED IN 20 YEARS, $27.3 MILLION OF ADDITIONAL INFLATION.

I'M GIVING YOU A TOTAL BUDGET OF 46.6 MILLION.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

A COUPLE OF THE PRESENTATIONS YOU MENTIONED TWO STORY BUILDINGS FROM A CONSTRUCTION POINT OF VIEW.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE TEN AND 20 YEARS.

FISCALLY, DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO BUILD A TWO STORY BUILDING OR TO BUILD A ONE STORY AND ADD ON A SECOND FLOOR? I WOULD SAY IT WOULD MAKE MUCH MORE.

IT'S ALWAYS DIFFICULT TO ADD ON LATER.

PEOPLE I'VE SEEN MULTIPLE TIMES, PEOPLE HAVE THAT IN MIND.

WE GO AND DO THESE FACILITY STUDIES OTHER PLACES AND SAY, WELL, YEAH, THIS BUILDING WAS DESIGNED, YOU KNOW, TO BE ADDED ON TO.

BUT THAT WAS 20, 30 YEARS AGO.

CODES CHANGED. THINGS CHANGED.

YOU GET AN ENGINEER IN THERE TO LOOK ABOVE THE CEILING.

THAT CEILING IS NOT CONSTRUCTED LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO PERSONALLY, I WOULD SAY THAT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO DO.

IT'S EXPONENTIALLY MORE EXPENSIVE, I GUESS IS REALLY WHERE I WAS HEADED IS TO ADD ON AS OPPOSED TO BUILD TO TO THE TWO STORIES.

RIGHT? I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

I MEAN, THE WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING THAT BUILDING AT TWO STORIES NOW IT'S GOING TO BE A LOWER COST FOR CONSTRUCTION NOW THAN IT WILL BE GOING FORWARD.

SO THAT SECOND STORY IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, TREMENDOUSLY MORE EXPENSIVE BUYING OR TRYING TO DO IT LATER ON DOWN THE LINE.

ANOTHER ITEM OF NOTE, THOUGH, IS THAT THE DISRUPTION THAT IT COULD CAUSE TO PUT A SECOND STORY ON A BUILDING THAT HAS OCCUPANTS IN IT.

SO THAT MAY NOT BE, I GUESS A DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING TO TO BE AWARE OF.

SO THERE'S REALLY PLANNING FOR.

OKAY, IN TEN YEARS WE'LL ADD A SECOND STORY.

IT'S NOT ENTIRELY FEASIBLE.

NO NOT REALLY. BUT ONE THING YOU COULD THAT WOULD BE A HYBRID OF THAT IS TO PLAN FOR THE SHELL TO BE A LARGER SPACE.

MAYBE THE ENTIRE SECOND FLOOR IS KIND OF A FITTED LATER, RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH. I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I WAS HEADED TO.

OKAY. THAT IS AN OPTION THAT COULD SAVE YOU SOME MONEY WHEN IT WOULD MINIMIZE THE DISRUPTION TO THE OCCUPANTS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, THOUGH.

WHEN YOU'VE LOOKED AT THIS AND JUST YOUR BUILDING LOCATION JUST FOR THESE LAST TWO AND YOUR LAND ACQUISITION, HAVE YOU PUT INTO THE COST FACTOR OF THE STORMWATER RETENTION, THE MAIN STREET PROJECT ALONE, BECAUSE OF THE VETERANS PARK AND OTHER THOUGHTS THAT WE HAD IN DOING THAT AREA, WE HAD TO TRIM THAT BACK BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED STORMWATER STORAGE ON THAT.

AND I, WITH BOTH OF THESE THAT YOU'VE SHOWN SO FAR, IS THAT FACTORED IN AREAS FOR THE STORMWATER STORAGE.

SO DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SITE DEVELOPMENT THOSE WOULD BE FACTORED IN.

BUT EXTRANEOUS THINGS.

SAY YOU WERE ADDING A SEWER MAIN ALL THE WAY DOWN MAIN STREET, OR YOU WERE UPGRADING THE ENTIRE CITY'S STORMWATER DRAINAGE.

THOSE THINGS WOULD PROBABLY FALL UNDER THAT 10% OWNER CONTINGENCY LINE ITEM.

OKAY. AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THERE IS A MATRIX TO USE FOR THE TOTAL AMOUNT UNDER ROOF AND CONCRETE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE FOR THAT WATER RETENTION.

AND IT TO PUT IT IN THE COST OF THE LAND ACQUISITION IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT FACTOR IF OUR BUILDING IS GOING TO BE 41,000FT².

HOW MUCH LAND DO WE ACTUALLY NEED TO INCORPORATE THE BUILDING, THE PARKING LOT AND THAT STORMWATER RETENTION? RIGHT. AND I WOULD SAY THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

AND A LOT OF THAT SITE DEVELOPMENT IS ACTUALLY IN THE CONSTRUCTION COST.

SO THE LAND ACQUISITION WOULD JUST BE PURCHASING THE ACTUAL PROPERTY.

AND ONE THING I NOTICED WHEN I WAS DOING SOME RESEARCH AROUND HERE, AND YOU'LL SEE WHEN WE GET IN SOME OF THESE, WE HAVE AN ACREAGE.

ACREAGE IS DRASTICALLY BIGGER THAN WHAT IS PROBABLY NEEDED FOR THAT SITE.

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SO.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THE 102 MAIN STREET.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL FACILITY PURCHASE WITH THE INTENDED USE OF COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL USE.

WE TALKED ABOUT PARTICULARLY IN THIS BUILDING, THAT THE BIGGEST COST ISSUE IS REALLY GOING TO COME DOWN TO ADA COMPLIANCE FOR ACCESSIBILITY.

SO ONE, WE NEED TO PUT A RAMP INTO THE BUILDING.

WE WOULD PROPOSE TO DO THAT ON THE BACKSIDE.

THAT'S WHERE WE THINK IF WE HAD PARKING ALONG THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, COME IN THROUGH THE BACK THROUGH A RAMP FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS.

OTHER THINGS WE WOULD NEED TO DO IS MAKE ACCESSIBLE RESTROOMS IN THIS.

OF COURSE, WE DON'T NEED SHOWERS IN THIS BUILDING.

SO THOSE COULD COME OUT. THAT DOES FREE UP SOME SPACE.

BUT THE OTHER THING TO NOTE IN A RESIDENCE IS WE DON'T GET THE WITH DOORWAY WIDTHS GOING INTO ROOMS. WE DON'T GET THE POOL CLEARANCES OR PUSH CLEARANCES, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE NECESSARILY THE HALLWAY WIDTHS THAT WE NEED AS WELL, EVEN FOR, FOR SOME OF THE EGRESS COMPONENTS. SO THOSE WOULD BE THE SIGNIFICANT RENOVATIONS IN TERMS OF SPACE.

THE SECOND IS WE WOULD CREATE GENERALLY A LOBBY COMING INTO THAT BACK ENTRANCE, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME RENOVATIONS TO WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE KITCHEN TO MAKE THAT ACCESSIBLE, AS WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE TO BE MORE OF A BREAK AREA.

WE ALSO THINK THAT THE GARAGE COULD BE REPURPOSED.

YOU COULD CONDITION THAT SPACE.

YOU COULD CONVERT THE THE OVERHEAD DOORS INTO ENTRANCE DOORS AND WALLS AND MAKE THAT AN ACTUAL, PERHAPS A MEDIA STUDIO FOR THE SIDS GROUP OR ANOTHER OFFICE FUNCTION AS WELL.

WE WERE ALSO LOOKING AT THIS TO SAY GENERALLY, HOW HOW CAN WE PUT PEOPLE IN THIS BUILDING? SO WHAT WE WOULD GENERALLY CALL THE LIVING ROOM OF THIS, OF THIS FACILITY TODAY, WE THINK THREE PEOPLE COULD SIT IN THERE COMFORTABLY, PERHAPS WITH SOME CASUAL SEATING IN THERE AS WELL. AND THEN THERE'S THREE OTHER ROOMS IN THERE THAT COULD BE REALISTICALLY BE A DUAL OCCUPANCY.

SO A SHARED OFFICE SPACE THAT COULD ALSO BE A PRIVATE OFFICE SPACE.

AND THEN HAVE A SMALLER CONFERENCE ROOM AS WELL THAT COULD SEAT ABOUT SIX PEOPLE.

SO THIS IS THAT SITE PLAN.

SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU SEE, THAT'S FIRE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS.

ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THAT IS THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

YOU CAN SEE AN ADA RAMP THERE WITH SOME WALKWAYS GOING OVER TO A NEW TWO SIDED PARKING AREA THAT WOULD COME IN THERE ON MAIN STREET. AND THAT'S ROUGHLY 23 PARKING SPACES THAT COULD BE ADDED.

YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE TREE THERE IN THE BACK, THE BACKYARD.

AND THEN THAT BELOW THAT IS THE POLICE STATION AND COURTHOUSE PARKING.

THAT CAN BE EXTENDED INTO THE THE LOWER PORTION OF THAT PROPERTY.

SO THOSE PARKING AREAS STAY OUTSIDE OF THAT TREE RING.

SO WE KNOW THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO THE CITY AND TRYING TO MAINTAIN THAT AREA.

SO WE WANT TO STAY OUTSIDE OF THAT THAT TREE AREA AS WELL.

AND FOR THIS RENOVATION, JUST OVER $400,000.

YOU'LL SEE. WE ACTUALLY BROKE OUT THE SITE DEVELOPMENT NUMBER IN HERE.

SO THAT DID ADD A SIGNIFICANT COST.

ANOTHER THING TO NOTE, THE INFLATION FOR THIS IS ONLY ONE YEAR, SO IT'S MUCH LESS THAN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.

THAT'S A LOWER DESIGN TIMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT WAS WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THAT.

THANK YOU. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS.

SO THERE'S TWO KIND OF PHASES WE THINK THAT CAN BE APPROACHED FOR PUBLIC WORKS.

ONE IS RENOVATING AND ADDITION.

WE KNOW YOU JUST COMPLETED THE ADDITION PORTION OF THAT.

AND THE SECOND PORTION IS THAT MORE LONG TERM NEED OF ADDITIONAL SPACE, WHICH WE THINK COULD BE A SECONDARY FACILITY FOR PUBLIC WORKS.

SO THIS IS THE EXISTING FACILITY SITE.

WE'RE SHOWING THE NEW STORAGE FACILITY THAT WAS JUST COMPLETED, BUT ALSO THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE START TO RENOVATE THIS BUILDING TO MAXIMIZE ITS USAGE. WE KNOW THAT THERE'S ADDITIONAL INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL NEED OFFICE SPACES, WORKSPACES IN THIS BUILDING.

SOME AREAS RIGHT NOW THAT THEY'RE OCCUPYING THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO MOVE OUT OF AND INTO DEDICATED OFFICE SPACE.

WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR TOUCHDOWN WORK AREAS FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT MAY GO OUT IN THE FIELD, THAT MAY NEED TO COME BACK AND DO SOME COMPUTER TRAINING.

TAKE A BREAK.

HAVE SOME FLEX MEETING SPACE HERE, AS WELL AS MORE CONDITIONED STORAGE LOT LOCKER ACCESS THAT WE WOULD PRESERVE HERE AS WELL.

AND THEN WITH THE IDEA THAT YOU COULD RELOCATE THE CDL AND WELDING PROGRAMS INTO EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES AND THEN MAXIMIZE THE STORAGE SPACE FROM THIS, THIS

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AND FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, IT WAS LESS ABOUT RELOCATING WALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND MORE ABOUT YOU'LL SEE THE FFA AND TECHNOLOGY, THE UPFIT OF THOSE OFFICE SPACES TO INCLUDE FURNITURE, COMPUTER WORKSTATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO YOU'LL SEE THAT $150,000 IS ALMOST THE PRICE OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST.

QUESTION WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT I THINK NEED TO BE ANSWERED, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE CONVERSATION HERE. WHAT'S OUR LONG TERM GOAL FOR THE WELDING PROGRAM? RIGHT NOW, IT'S GRANT.

IT'S GRANT FUNDED.

GRANT STOPS, THE PROGRAM STOPS.

SO I THINK WE NEED A LONG TERM PLAN FOR THAT.

AND I'M NOT WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION HERE.

ALSO, IN THIS ESTIMATE, THE MEDIA DEPARTMENT, WHICH YOU PROJECTED IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE GOING TO 102 MAIN NOW FREES UP SPACE HERE.

SO ARE THOSE FACTORS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

AND OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T TAKE THE WELDING PROGRAM.

WE HAVE TO ANSWER THAT AMONG OURSELVES.

YOU KNOW WHAT'S OUR LONG TERM GOAL FOR THAT.

ESPECIALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, $40 MILLION TCL PROGRAM GOING IN FOR WHAT COULD BE THE SAME STUFF.

SO AT SOME POINT WHERE DO WE STOP THAT OR DO WE CONTINUE IT, OR DO WE HAVE A LONG TERM PLAN FOR IT? SO SO WHILE WE CAN'T ADDRESS THE LIKE THE WELDING PROGRAM OR THE CDL PROGRAMS, THAT IS SPACE THAT COULD BE OCCUPIED.

SO I'LL SAY THE COSTS DO NOT ACCOUNT FOR MOVING OF THOSE PROGRAMS INTO A NEW BUILDING.

YEAH. YEAH.

I MEAN, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO GO AND ADD SPACE AND THEN KICK MOVE OUT PROGRAM.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE A LONG TERM PLAN BEFORE WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS ON THE EXISTING SPACE.

YEAH. I MEAN, I MEAN THAT TO ME, THOSE PROGRAMS, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THE GRANT FUNDING.

I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS BEHIND ALL OF THAT.

BUT IF THOSE WERE TO MOVE OUT, THAT TO ME, THAT'S THAT'S SPACE THAT COULD BE USED FOR STORAGE BEFORE YOU WOULD HAVE TO NECESSARILY GO BUILD ANOTHER BUILDING TO ADD ADDITIONAL.

SO THAT'S GOING BACK TO THE POINT OF THOSE TAKEAWAYS.

THERE NEEDS TO BE A PLAN AROUND WHAT'S THE FUTURE OF WELDING AND CDL TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

WE KNOW THAT FOR THE OFFICE SPACES HERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, MEDIA COULD GO INTO 102 MAIN.

THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY GO INTO A NEW CITY HALL.

THE 102 MAIN COULD BE HAVE DIFFERENT SORT OF DIFFERENT OFFICE PURPOSES DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU MAY DECIDE.

GO INTO A CITY HALL.

IT'S NOT JUST IT WOULDN'T JUST HAVE TO BE FOR MEDIA.

BUT THE OFFICE SPACE HERE IN THE PUBLIC WORKS IS REALLY INTENDED MORE FOR PUBLIC WORKS, NOT FOR MEDIA.

SO JUMPING A LITTLE BIT AHEAD.

SO IF WE DO MAXIMIZE THAT SPACE IN THE EXISTING PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING DOWN THE ROAD, THEY WOULD NEED ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR EQUIPMENT AND STORAGE.

REALLY MINIMAL OFFICE SPACE.

REALLY INTEND THAT MOST OF THAT OFFICE SPACE WOULD BE WHAT WAS PART OF THE RENOVATION.

BUT THEY WOULDN'T POTENTIALLY NEED SOME ADDITIONAL STORAGE AND EQUIPMENT WORK WORKSHOP AT ANOTHER LOCATION.

YEP. AND THE COST FOR THAT NEW PUBLIC WORKS STARTED TODAY IS JUST UNDER $16 MILLION.

THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER.

YOU HAVE LARGER BAY AREAS.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND TOOK THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

YOU'LL SEE, STARTED IN TEN YEARS WITH INFLATION.

THAT WOULD ADD AN ADDITIONAL $9.1 MILLION.

OH, YEAH. AND FOR THE 20 YEAR SPACE NEEDS, WE'RE AT JUST UNDER 24,000 TOTAL SQUARE FEET ADDED.

SO $20.5 MILLION AND STARTED IN 20 YEARS.

WE'D HAVE AN ADDITIONAL INFLATION OF JUST UNDER $30 MILLION FOR THAT SAME SPACE.

SO WHAT WE REVIEWED AGAIN ARE THE WHAT WE DETERMINED TO BE THE PRIORITIES COMING OUT OF THE STUDY IN TERMS OF WHICH ONES NEED HAVE A CRITICAL NEED NOW, OR MAY HAVE MORE OF A CRITICAL NEED NEAR IN THE FUTURE AND LONG TERM.

SO ONE POLICE THEY NEED A NEW FACILITY.

OVERALL, THE EXISTING BUILDING WILL NOT ACCOMMODATE POLICE.

IT CAN ACCOMMODATE COURTS, BUT NOT THE TWO OF THEM TOGETHER OR POLICE ALONE.

CITY HALL WOULD NEED EITHER A SIGNIFICANT EXPANSION AND RENOVATION OR REPLACEMENT IN TIME AND THEN COMMUNICATION INFORMATION AND DIGITAL

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RIGHT NOW WE KNOW THAT AS DURING THE TIME FRAME OF THE STUDY, THEY CAME TOGETHER INTO ONE DEPARTMENT.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE, I THINK PARTICULARLY AROUND EVEN INFORMATION MANAGEMENT IS, IS PARTICULARLY A FOCUS.

AND AS THE POLICE GROWS, THERE MAY EVEN BE DEDICATED TEAM MEMBERS WHO COULD BE DEDICATED TO POLICE.

THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND AROUND IT, JUST AROUND, SAY, POLICE AND FIRE IN PARTICULAR PUBLIC WORKS WILL NEED SOME INVESTMENT TO THE EXISTING BUILDING IN OVER TIME. MAY NEED THAT ADDITIONAL LOCATION.

AND THEN OF COURSE 1 OR 2 MAIN STREET IS A RESIDENT TO OFFICE CONVERSION NEED.

SO TO RECAP THOSE PRIORITIES, WE SAID COURT, LIBRARY AND PARKS AND REC ARE NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME.

THERE'S NOT AN IMMEDIATE NEED FOR THOSE.

POLICE IS A PROBABLY A MAIN PRIORITY AS WELL AS THE COMMUNICATION, INFORMATION AND DIGITAL SOLUTIONS.

AND THEN WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE CITY HALL DEPARTMENTS.

OUR PRIORITY FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC WORKS.

SO NOW WE'D LOVE TO TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT I NOTICED THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION, AND THAT'S WITH MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING.

AND THOSE ALWAYS SEEM TO BE TEN YEARS OUT.

THEY'RE NOT ADEQUATE.

IT'S SORT OF A THING.

AND WHAT I'M WONDERING, ARE WE BEING PENNY WISE AND POUND FOOLISH IN HOW WE'RE APPROACHING THOSE THINGS AS A CONCEPT IN OUR PLANNING IN THE FUTURE? IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE GOING FOR THE LOWEST INVESTMENT THERE, AND YET IT HAS THE SHORTEST LIFE CYCLE OF A LOT OF THINGS I'M SEEING. AND IS THERE A WAY TO BE A LITTLE SMARTER IN THE INVESTMENT SO THAT WE DON'T HEAR THE CONSISTENT STORY AND THAT BUILDING THOSE ARE ALL INADEQUATE.

AND I'M JUST THINKING YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT NOW.

BUT CERTAINLY THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR THINKING AND INVESTIGATING, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HARDWARE AND THE MOST PART, NOT SOFTWARE OR THINGS THAT ARE REALLY VERY SOPHISTICATED TECHNICALLY.

SO I WONDER IF WE COULDN'T BE WISER IN THAT AREA PERSONALLY, THAT THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE BACK TO THE ENGINEERS AND, AND GET SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON FOR THE FOR FINAL DOCUMENTATION.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO COMES DOWN TO HOW THINGS HAVE BEEN MAINTAINED MAINTENANCE PLANNING, CAPITAL PLANNING FOR IT, AND ALSO JUST THE NATURE OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE WEAR AND TEAR THAT IT HAS ON IT.

SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING THE IMPROVEMENTS TO MECHANICAL SYSTEMS IN THE BUILDINGS YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING A COST TO THOSE, BUT IT COULD BE THAT WE MAY WANT TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT ARE THERE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COULD COME ABOUT THOSE TO MAYBE TAKE THAT SPAN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER? YOU TOUCHED ON MY OTHER PART, AND THAT WAS OUR MAINTENANCE HABITS, YOU KNOW.

ARE WE? KIDDING OURSELVES IN THE SENSE WE REALLY CAN'T SAY MONEY BECAUSE YOU PAY IT AT THE END.

AND SO WE MAY HAVE TO BE MORE SENSITIVE TO WHAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT MAINTENANCE.

THAT REALLY IS AN INVESTMENT THAT WE NEED TO BE MAKING AS WE GO.

YEP. AND AS PART OF THIS, THERE'S IT COMES OUT TO WE WORK WITH THE FACILITIES TEAM TO PUT TOGETHER ANNUAL BUDGETS BASED OFF OF WHAT COMES OUT OF THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT ITEMS AND THE COSTS THAT ARE PUT TO THOSE.

SO IT STARTS TO HELP WITH PUTTING THOSE ANNUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGETS TOGETHER.

AND THEN THAT LAUNCHPAD TOOL IS ABLE TO BE UPDATED.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE FACILITIES TEAM CAN GO OUT EVERY YEAR, CAN DO AN ASSESSMENT OF THE BUILDING, UPDATE THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, SCORE THEM AND ADD NEW ITEMS TO THEM AND PRIORITIZE THOSE.

PUT COSTS TO THOSE AND THAT BUDGET CAN KEEP KEEP DEVELOPING OVER TIME.

YES. AND TO BACK UP WHAT BO WAS SAYING.

IT COULD BE THOUGH.

THAT YOU COULD PUT TOP OF THE LINE EQUIPMENT? YEAH. IN TEN YEARS FROM NOW, THAT TOP LINE IS NO LONGER TOP LINE.

WE SEE THAT ALL THE TIME.

YEAH. LIKE WELL, I GOT NOT TOO LONG AGO REPLACED THE AIR CONDITIONING IN MY HOUSE.

I PUT THE BEST, I THOUGHT, AND THEN THEY SAID, OH, NO, YOU CAN DO THIS, THIS AND THIS.

AND SO I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD FACTOR IN THE VERY GOOD POINT.

UPGRADING OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU PUT IN THAT TEN YEARS AGO EVEN WAS.

YEAH. PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE IS WHAT.

IN OTHER WORDS, RATHER THAN DO THE TOP OF THE LINE, YOU JUST DO WHAT GETS YOU BY AND THEN BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE IT ANYWAY ANYWAY.

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YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

THE OTHER THING I THINK TO EVALUATE TOO IS OF COURSE, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE LIFE CYCLE COST.

THAT'S THE INITIAL INVESTMENT VERSUS THE INVESTMENT OVER TIME.

BUT THE OTHER THING THAT PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO LOOK AT TO IS HOW IS THAT IMPACTING THE THE ENERGY CONSUMPTION AND THE SAVINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN THERE AS WELL? OKAY. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, ACTUALLY, ONE QUESTION AND JUST ONE ONE CONCERN.

THE QUESTION IS, ARE THERE IS A PLAN TO RE FOR THE COURTS TO REMAIN IN THE POLICE? THAT'S THAT'S YOU HAVE THAT FIGURED IN THERE.

WHAT WAS THE REASONING FOR THAT.

YEAH. WELL RIGHT NOW THEY'VE HAD THEY HAVE.

THERE WAS A RENOVATION TO THE COURTS.

THEY'RE NOT OPERATING YOU KNOW, FIVE DAYS A WEEK EIGHT HOURS A DAY FOR COURTS.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF CAPACITY BAKED IN TO WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.

NOW THEY MAY NEED.

WE DID LOOK AT A NEED OVER TIME THERE.

YOU KNOW, IN 20 YEARS, THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR ANOTHER COURTROOM, BUT THAT BUILDING CAN ACCOMMODATE ANOTHER COURTROOM TO THROUGH THAT RENOVATION.

BUT THERE'S ALSO OFFICE SPACE WITHIN THAT BUILDING.

SO LET'S SAY POLICE MOVES OUT INTO A NEW BUILDING.

THERE'S CAPACITY IN THAT BUILDING TO ALSO BE PUTTING INDIVIDUALS INTO OFFICES.

OKAY. THE OTHER ONE IS WE HAVE OUR TWO CHIEFS HERE.

AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE MATRIX THAT YOU ALL HAVE BASED ON YOUR SPACE NEEDS AND ESTIMATES.

FIRE STATIONS BASED UPON POPULATION, LOCATION.

WHAT DO WE NEED TO STAFF TO? I KNOW WE HAVE LOOKED AT A NEW STATION, BUT WE LOOKED AT, WHAT, 10,000FT² WE WERE, $2 MILLION, GIVE OR TAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THAT WAS A STAFFING LEVEL THERE.

AND AS I LOOKED AT THIS POPULATION, IN 20 YEARS OF BEING ALMOST 40,000, YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY, DO WE NEED TO TRIPLE OUR EXISTING STAFFING AND OR, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE GO WITH THAT? AND I GUESS I WANT TO I'M LOOKING AT THAT FOR THE SIMPLE REASON IS, IS SOME OF THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN.

WE'RE ASKING THESE DEVELOPERS FOR LAND FOR THESE FIRE STATION, POLICE SUBSTATION.

THAT'S GOING TO BE CRITICAL AS WE MOVE AHEAD TO SAVE SOME OF THIS LAND ACQUISITION COST.

MONEY SAVED IS MONEY SAVED.

SO I GUESS THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO NEED AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

YEAH, I THINK I THINK THE EFFORTS THEY'VE PUT IN AROUND THEIR THEIR FACILITY PLANNING AND THEIR GROWTH, A LOT OF THAT TOO IS A DETAILED ANALYSIS FOR THAT.

AND WILL COMPLEMENT THIS IN TERMS OF WHAT WHAT'S NEEDED ACROSS THE BOARD.

YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU.

BUT ALWAYS BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU ASK THEM WHAT THEY NEED.

OH, I KNOW THAT. I KNOW THAT THE TWO OF THEM, THEY'RE BOTH.

LOOK AT THE SMILES BACK.

YOU KNOW, THE TWO OF THEM.

OKAY. SO.

CHING. CHA CHING.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF MINOR QUESTIONS, BUT THE BIG ONE THAT THAT OCCURRED TO ME, LET'S SAY, HYPOTHETICALLY, WE HAVE THIS TAJ MAHAL OF A POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND WE SAY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD, RIGHT? AGE MAHAL, BY THE WAY, CHIEF, WE'RE GOING TO NEED MONEY.

SO GIVE THEM ALL SPEEDING TICKETS AS THEY LEAVE.

I THINK THEY HAVE NO POTENTIAL RIGHT NOW, SO.

DID YOU EVER CONSIDER THIS? IF WE BUILT A NEW BUILDING SOMEWHERE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND AS STEVE SAID, AND WE ALL ARE AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY MORE THAN ANYTHING, WE NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS AS WE GET TO THAT 40,000.

WHAT IF WE FOUND A SPOT AND MAYBE IT WAS ON THAT MAIN, YOU KNOW, WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD, WHEREVER WE FOUND A SPOT TO PUT THIS HUGE, BIG THREE STORY BUILDING FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THE OLD WAY. NOW WE HAVE THAT BUILDING.

IT'S EMPTY. DO WE NEED TO BUILD ANOTHER CITY HALL OR AN EXTENSION? COULD WE JUST MOVE CITY HALL TO THAT, I GUESS.

IS THAT EVER BEEN PART OF YOUR ASSESSMENT? BECAUSE WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE OLD POLICE DEPARTMENT IF WE BUILD A NEW ONE.

RIGHT. WELL, SO THAT I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO RIGHT NOW, THE COURT IS IN THERE AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE COURT IS IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE AND THEY HAVE CAPACITY TO GROW. IN THE 20 YEARS THEY MAY NEED ANOTHER COURT ROOM, WHICH COULD BE RENOVATED WITHIN WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE POLICE AREA OF THAT BUILDING.

SO INSTEAD, LIKE, WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING MOVING POLICE AND COURTS TOGETHER INTO A NEW FACILITY.

WE'RE RECOMMENDING MOVING POLICE INTO A NEW FACILITY, SEPARATING THOSE TWO FUNCTIONS AND LEAVING COURTS IN THE THE COURT POLICE BUILDING THAT IS TODAY.

THERE'S SEE, THAT WAS AND I KNOW WHEN YOU SPEAK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THESE RENOVATIONS BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT ARE WE DOING BAND-AIDS AND THEN WE'RE GOING

[01:30:05]

AND THAT CAME UP IN OUR CONVERSATION.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT RELOCATING THE COURT SOMEWHERE ELSE WAS THAT THERE WAS CERTAIN SECURITY BENEFITS TO HAVING THE TWO TOGETHER.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS BRAND NEW BUILDING, WHY NOT BUILD IT AND BUILD A NEW COURT WITH IT? AND THEN THE SECURITY MEASURES THAT WE WERE TOLD WERE BENEFICIAL TO HAVING THEM TWO TOGETHER.

AND THEN THAT LEAVES THAT ENTIRE SPACE FOR SOMETHING ELSE, SOMETHING.

BUT EVEN IF EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T BUILD THE COURT, YOU COULDN'T LEAVE AN EMPTY BUILDING, THE COURT.

AND NOW YOU YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THERE'S STILL AN EMPTY BUILDING THERE.

A PORTION COULD BE EMPTY.

YOU COULD ALSO BE IF POLICE MOVES OUT, YOU COULD PUT OTHER ADDITIONAL DEPARTMENTS THAT MAY GROW IN IN THAT POLICE OFFICE AREA, SEPARATED FROM THE COURT.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW.

IT SEEMS IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO IF THIS IF THE CITY DECIDED TO BUILD A NEW POLICE STATION AND YOU KNOW, I'M, I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS THAT WAY.

BUT RATHER THAN BUILD A BIG POLICE STATION AND THEN ANOTHER WHOLE BUILDING HERE, JUST UTILIZE THAT BUILDING FIRST YOU YOU COULD SO AND YOU CAN CERTAINLY ADD COURTS TO A NEW POLICE STATION.

IT COULD BE A COMBINED FACILITY.

I WILL SAY IT'S NOT NECESSARILY STANDARD TO DO THAT TODAY.

THERE'S ECONOMIES I THINK ON ON SOME OF THE SECURITY REASONS, BUT THERE'S ALSO PERCEPTION TO THE COMMUNITY THAT POLICE AND COURTS ARE IT'S KIND OF IN CONFLICT WITH ONE ANOTHER WITH WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, WHICH WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS.

SO A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE SEEING THOSE WE'RE BUILDING THOSE SEPARATE, BUT YOU CAN STILL DO THEM TOGETHER.

YOU COULD THEN UTILIZE THE EXISTING POLICE STATION FOR DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY GO INTO A CITY HALL.

WHAT THAT WILL DO IS IT WILL JUST DEFER THOSE AN EXPANSION HERE, RENOVATION HERE, OR A NEW CITY HALL A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO GET YOU TO THAT 20 YEAR MARK.

BUT IT COULD PUSH IT OFF POTENTIALLY A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

BUT YOU MAY LOSE SOME SOME ADJACENCIES, SOME OTHER SOME OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS BUILDING YOU CAN MOVE SOME PEOPLE OUT OF THIS BUILDING TO RIGHTSIZE SOME OF THE THINGS HERE TO HELP THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO EXPLORE.

OKAY. I HAVE SOME MINOR QUESTIONS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OUT OF TIME.

SO COUNCIL, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE WANT TO DIRECT? DO WE HAVE ABOUT EIGHT MINUTES LEFT? SEVEN. I THINK WE'VE GOT A GOOD BASELINE.

IS IT GOING TO REQUIRE SOME THINKING AND THOUGHT? RIGHT. AND WE'RE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THE DEBATE AND THE QUESTIONS PROBABLY SOME MORE COME UP.

AND YOU KNOW, I'M I'M SURE IF WE THINK ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE, WE COULD MAKE A FEW MORE STORIES ON THAT POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SEE, ONCE I FIND A TARGET, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I KEEP SHOOTING AT IT.

UNDERSTOOD. YOU CAN TAKE TIME TO PROCESS IT.

AND THERE COULD BE OTHER AVENUES.

OKAY? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. HE'S GOING TO GIVE ME A SPEEDING TICKET.

YOU CAN'T SHRINK ANY FURTHER BACK THERE, CHIEF.

YOU'RE JUST TRYING. YOU'RE THINKING NEW SAM'S CLUB.

YEAH. OH THIS WAS EXTREMELY THOROUGH.

YEAH. AND IT WAS REALLY QUITE EXTENSIVE.

MY HEART HELD OUT.

I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO CALL FOR THE AED MACHINE.

SO YOU KNOW, I WAS ABLE TO ABSORB IT PRETTY GOOD, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IT REALLY WAS A GREAT THING.

AND I THINK MR. WHITE SAID IT BEST. WE ALL NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT.

WE WE NEED TO HAVE, HAVE YOU KNOW, ANOTHER WORKSHOP TO BE NEAR AND AROUND AND, AND I THINK WHAT MY THOUGHTS TO THE COUNCIL ARE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE START NOW OR START TEN YEARS FROM NOW, I THINK THE SOONER WE ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO CITY HALL AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT WE DO THAT SOONER THAN LATER, YOU'LL GET PART OF THE JAMES.

YOU'LL GET PART OF THE NEW CITY HALL.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

WE'LL TAKE CARE OF YOU.

WE DON'T TAKE. THE THREE OF YOU ARE COLLABORATING BACK THERE.

[01:35:03]

WATCH HIM. OKAY.

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN.

EXCELLENT WORK. AND CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN?

[III. ADJOURNMENT - CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP]

WE START THE NEXT MOTION.

MOTION? MOTION SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US.

[01:41:41]

WE'RE GOING TO START THIS AFTERNOON WITH THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

[I. INVOCATION & PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE - CITY COUNCIL AGENDA]

YES, SIR. DEAR GOD, WE SEEK YOUR HELP WITH OUR AFFAIRS TODAY.

BLESS THIS MEETING WITH YOUR DIVINE INTELLIGENCE AND HELP US TO MAKE THE BEST USE OF OUR OWN.

WE ARE OF DIVERSE OPINIONS HERE, YET WE WISH TO MEND OUR DIFFERENCES AND REACH AGREEMENTS SATISFACTORY TO ALL.

PLEASE SHARE A LITTLE OF YOUR WISDOM WITH US TO HELP US TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY ALL CONCERNED.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HEAVENLY BLESSING.

AMEN. AMEN.

THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

PLEASE REMAIN STANDING.

FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR OUR SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR ALL THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO SERVE AROUND THE WORLD, PROTECTING OUR WAY OF LIFE. THANK YOU.

I'LL NOW CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

THIS IS THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND PUBLIC HEARING.

[II. CALL TO ORDER]

THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO DO TODAY IS TO APPROVE TODAY'S AGENDA.

[III. ADOPTION OF AGENDA]

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. OKAY.

WE NOW MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP?

[IV. [RESERVED]]

[V. PUBLIC COMMENTS (3 MINUTE TIME LIMIT)]

[VI. PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS]

RON MCINTURFF.

THIS? IS THAT A LIKE A PLAY ON WORDS PUBLIC WORKS? I DON'T THINK IT'S A PLAY ON WORDS, BUT I AM NOT THAT GUY.

I'M JOHN BROWN, BY THE WAY, BUT THAT MR. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, A PLEASURE TO BE UP HERE TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW MEMBER TO PUBLIC WORKS.

WE'RE VERY BLESSED TO HAVE HIM.

RON MCINTURFF. COME ON UP, RON.

HE'S COMING FROM COLORADO HERE.

HIM AND HIS WIFE, DORI ARE COMING FROM COLORADO.

[A. INTRODUCTION OF FACILITIES MAINTENANCE TECH RON McINTURF]

AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, 28 YEARS OF HVAC EXPERIENCE, WHICH YOU PROBABLY KNOW WE NEED IN THIS CITY RIGHT NOW.

SO WE'RE GOING TO USE HIM TO THAT FULL CAPACITY.

BUT RON IS HE'S DONE A GREAT JOB FOR THE MONTH, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A MONTH THAT HE'S BEEN HERE.

NOTHING BUT IMPRESSIVE.

SO WE'RE VERY, VERY PLEASED TO HAVE HIM.

SO WITH THAT, TURN IT OVER TO RON.

WELCOME. WELCOME.

IT'S A PLEASURE. AND SO FAR I'M ENJOYING IT VERY MUCH.

MY WIFE AND I KIND OF FELL IN LOVE WITH THE THE AREA.

WE WE MOVED INTO PHASE SEVEN OVER AT MARGARITAVILLE.

SO. BUT YOU DON'T LOOK OLD ENOUGH TO QUALIFY.

[01:45:02]

IT WAS MEANT AS A COMPLIMENT.

WHAT PART OF COLORADO.

WE LIVED IN PARKER, COLORADO, WHICH IS A SUBURB OF DENVER.

AND THE LAST PLACE I WORKED FOR, I WAS A CHIEF BUILDING ENGINEER FOR A COMPANY BY THE NAME OF PRIME WEST REAL ESTATE SERVICES.

AND I MANAGED AND DID THE DAILY OPERATIONS FOR A 15 STORY HIGH RISE.

SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF TAKING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT A LITTLE BIT.

ALL RIGHT. DON'T BE JOKE THERE.

DON'T BE TALKING TO HIM.

YOU'RE MAKING FRIENDS ALREADY.

ALL RIGHT. MAKING FRIENDS. ALL RIGHT.

HE MUST HAVE FORGIVEN A TICKET OR SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW MY SON LIVES IN WESTMINSTER.

OH, OKAY. THAT'S NOT FAR FROM THERE, RIGHT? NOT. OKAY. OKAY.

WELL, WELCOME.

COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WELCOME, WELCOME, WELCOME.

YOU'RE ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS NOW.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELL, TO MEET ALL OF YOU.

GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU.

NEXT, IT'S GREAT HONOR TO HAVE OUR SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION LED BY MISTER CRAIG WIN TALKING ABOUT THE I-95 AND EXIT THREE UPDATE.

CRAIG, WELCOME.

THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL USED TO SEEING YOU AT LAST MEETING.

[B. PRESENTATION BY SCDOT, CRAIG WINN I 95 & EXIT 3 UPDATE]

JUST WATER. JUST GETTING OVER THE FLU AND A COLD, SO.

OH, OKAY. LET'S TRY NOT TO COUGH WHILE I GIVE THIS PRESENTATION.

ALL RIGHT. SO IT'LL BE SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO PAST PRESENTATIONS WITH SOME NEW UPDATES ON PAST HISTORY, WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHERE WE'RE GOING IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AS WE HEAD TOWARDS CONSTRUCTION LATER THIS YEAR AND EARLY NEXT YEAR.

SO AGAIN, WE HAVE THE FOURTH LARGEST STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM IN THE UNITED STATES, AS WELL AS THE THIRD FASTEST GROWING POPULATION IN THE NATION.

I BELIEVE THAT MAY BE CHANGING TO EITHER FIRST OR SECOND FASTEST GROWING POPULATION IN THE NATION.

BASED ON SOME RECENT DATA WE HEARD LAST WEEK IN A CONFERENCE.

SO WHERE ARE WE AT AND WHERE WE'RE GOING? SO WE'VE COMPLETED 46 MILES OF INTERSTATE WORK IN THE STATE.

WE HAVE 61 MILES, ABOUT $2 BILLION UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE 250 MILES IN PLANNING AND DESIGN.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF DATES ON HERE FOR, FOR INTERSTATE WIDENINGS OVER THE NEXT OH 5 TO 10 YEARS STARTING.

SO FOR 95 WE'VE GOT I-95 MILE MARKERS 0 TO 8.

THAT'S 20 LATE 2024, EARLY 2025, THEN 8 TO 22 IS 2026, 22 TO 33 IS 2028.

SO THOSE ARE TO COME CONSECUTIVE ONE AFTER ANOTHER.

THEN ON 26 WE'RE FLIP FLOPPING END TO END.

AND THEN HOPEFULLY LATER THIS YEAR EARLY NEXT YEAR, WE'LL START THE PLANNING ON 95 TO DETERMINE THE SEGMENTS FOR THE REST OF THE WAY TO THE I-26 SYSTEM, CHANGE THAT SYSTEM TO SYSTEM INTERCHANGE WAS AWARDED TO A DESIGN BUILD CONTRACTOR EARLIER THIS YEAR.

SO THAT THAT WILL BE PROBABLY STARTING CONSTRUCTION, I'D SAY IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OR SO, YOU'LL SEE DIRT MOVING OUT OF THAT SYSTEM TO SYSTEM INTERCHANGE.

ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE ABOUT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT 0 TO 8.

SO WE HAVE A TEN MILE CORRIDOR.

IT STARTS AT THE KNOXBORO CREEK BRIDGES.

SO THAT'S THE FIRST BRIDGE INSIDE OF GEORGIA.

INCLUDES THE SAVANNAH RIVER BRIDGE AS WELL, ALL THE WAY UP TO ABOUT A MILE NORTH OF EXIT EIGHT.

BY THE TIME WE GET EVERYTHING TIED BACK TOGETHER, TIED BACK DOWN TO THE FOUR LANE SECTION.

SO THE PURPOSE AND NEED FOR THIS IS WE WANT TO IMPROVE CAPACITY, MOBILITY AND OPERATIONS AND ADDRESS OPERATIONAL DEFICIENCIES ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

SO THIS IS ONE OF THE WORST CORRIDORS FOR FREIGHT MOBILITY.

SO THIS IS PART OF OUR RURAL INTERSTATE PROGRAM WHERE WE'RE FOCUSED REALLY ON THE MOVEMENT OF FREIGHT, MOVEMENT OF FREIGHT AND GOODS UP THE CORRIDOR.

SO THAT'S THE SAME WITH 26.

SAME WITH 95.

THAT'S A NEW PROGRAM THAT DOT CAME UP WITH BACK IN 2021 TO KIND OF HELP GET THESE RURAL INTERSTATE PROGRAMS MOVING, INSTEAD OF ALL THE INTERSTATE FUNDING GOING TO THE HIGHLAND, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST CONGESTED AREAS IN OUR, YOU KNOW, IN COLUMBIA AND CHARLESTON, TRY TO TO SPREAD THAT WORK OUT AND ADDRESS THE, YOU KNOW, FREIGHT AS WELL AS THE MOBILITY WITHIN THE THE STATE.

SO FOR THE ROADWAY WE'VE GOT FOR THIS QUARTER, WE'VE GOT WE'RE GOING FROM FOUR LANES TO SIX LANES.

SO AND THEN ACTUALLY FROM IN THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION FROM 0 TO 5, WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE THE FOURTH LANE BUILT FOR THE FUTURE TO GO.

THAT'S TO HELP WITH MAINTENANCE OF THE TRAFFIC.

BUT THEN WE'LL HAVE SO WE'LL HAVE SIX LANES FROM ALL THE WAY FROM INSIDE GEORGIA UP PAST EXIT EIGHT AT THE COMPLETION OF THIS PROJECT.

[01:50:02]

SO YOU'VE GOT THE SAVANNAH RIVER BRIDGE, WHICH IS IN COLLABORATION WITH GDOT.

SO THAT BRIDGE IS A 5050 SPLIT BETWEEN SCDOT AND GDOT FOR THE COST OF THAT BRIDGE.

SAVANNAH OVERFLOW AND SAINT ISLAND SWAMP.

SO THOSE ARE THE NEXT TWO SET OF BRIDGES.

ONCE YOU GET INTO SOUTH CAROLINA, YOU GOT THE CSX RAILROAD AND THEN THE SC 46 BRIDGES OR THE BRIDGES OVER SC 46.

IT ALSO INCLUDES THE REPLACEMENT OF JOHN SMITH ROAD OVERPASS.

SO WE HAVE TWO INTERCHANGES.

AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.

YOU HAVE EXIT FIVE, WHICH IS MINOR INTERCHANGE IMPROVEMENTS, NOT SO MUCH A FULL SCALE INTERCHANGE RECONSTRUCTION LIKE EXIT EIGHT IS SO WE HAVE SOME RAMP IMPROVEMENTS, DISCONNECTION OF THE FRONTAGE ROAD SIGNALIZATION OF THOSE RAMPS.

BUT THEN UP AT EXIT EIGHT, THAT'S GOING TO BE A FULL RECONSTRUCTION.

I HAVE IMAGES THAT'LL SHOW KIND OF WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS FOR THESE.

THAT'LL BE A SIX LANE DIVERGING DIAMOND WITH TWO NEW BRIDGES ADJACENT.

SO ON EACH SIDE OF THE EXISTING BRIDGES TO HELP FACILITATE THAT AND REDUCE THE IMPACTS TO THE TRAVELING PUBLIC.

SO ALL THAT CAN BE BUILT OFF, OFF ALIGNMENT WITHOUT IMPACTING TRAFFIC.

SO THIS KIND OF SHOWS WHERE THOSE 14 BRIDGES AND TWO INTERCHANGES ARE AT.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS, YEAH, THE SAVANNAH RIVER BRIDGE THERE.

AND WE COME UP TO THE SAVANNAH OVERFLOW BRIDGES, THE SAINT ALLEN SWAMP.

THEN YOU HAVE SCL RAILROAD OR CSX RAILROAD BRIDGE.

THAT SCL RAILROAD BRIDGE WILL BE WIDE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE EXIT THREE.

SO THAT'LL HAVE THE THE WIDTH FOR THE EXCEL AND DIESEL LANES FOR EXIT THREE INCLUDED IN THAT BRIDGE.

THEN WE SHOW EXIT THREE AS A SEPARATE PROJECT HERE.

THEN WE HAVE THE EXIT FIVE INTERCHANGE.

THE SC 46 BRIDGE.

SO THAT'S A SEPARATE PROJECT.

THAT WAS THAT BRIDGE REPLACEMENT WAS PREVIOUSLY STARTED BY DOT BEFORE THE INTERSTATE PROGRAM CAME ABOUT.

SO THAT WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THIS PROJECT REPLACING THOSE BRIDGES AS WELL.

AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE JOHN SMITH OVERPASS, WHICH WILL BE A REPLACE ON ALIGNMENT AND THE US 278 INTERCHANGE.

SO HERE'S A LOOK AT WHAT THE EXIT EIGHT INTERCHANGE WILL LOOK LIKE.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RELOADING.

THE BIG THING THAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS RELOCATING MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE.

SO IT'S LOCATED FURTHER EAST ON 278.

AS WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE INTERCHANGE TYPES HERE, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT PRETTY MUCH ANY INTERCHANGE, IT WAS ANY INTERCHANGE THAT WE LOOKED AT CONFIGURATION, THAT THE INTERSECTION WITH MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE WAS ONE OF THE THAT THAT SIGNAL THERE WAS CAUSING A LOT OF THE BACKUPS ON THE INTERSTATE.

SO THE ONLY WAY TO REDUCE THE BACKUPS ON THE INTERSTATE WAS TO RELOCATE MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE.

SO AND AS WE LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT INTERCHANGES, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IMPACTS DOES IT HAVE ON THE INTERSTATE USING INTERSTATE FUNDS.

SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO.

FIX A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE ON THE ROADS ADJACENT TO THE INTERSTATE WITH THESE INTERCHANGES TO LIKE US 17.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FIX SOME OF THE ISSUES ON US 17 WHERE IF THEY IMPACT THE INTERSTATE, THEN WE'RE TRYING TO FIX THOSE THOSE ISSUES.

BUT LIKE FOR THIS ONE US 78 HAS SOME IMPACTS THAT WE NEEDED TO FIX TO IMPACT THE INTERSTATE.

SO YOU CAN SEE MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE IS RELOCATED FURTHER EAST.

WE'VE INDICATED WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED BACKAGE ROADS ON THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT HERE TO REDUCE DRIVEWAY, REDUCE THOSE IMPACTS OF TURNING TRAFFIC ON THE TRAVELING PUBLIC.

AND THEN ALSO ON THE NORTHWEST.

WE HAVE A BACKAGE ROAD.

WE'VE CLOSED ALL THE DRIVEWAYS ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE AND INCLUDING A SHARED USE DRIVEWAY TO SERVICE ALL OF THOSE BUSINESSES.

AND THEN WE HAVE A ROUNDABOUT BETWEEN BRICKYARD MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE TO HELP FACILITATE THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS TO THE HOSPITAL.

TO KEEP THAT FLOWING AND NOT BACK UP ON 278 AS WELL.

THEN YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THE RAMPS ARE SIGNALIZED, AND ALL THESE SIGNALS WILL BE TIED TO EACH OTHER AND OPERATE IN COORDINATION WITH ONE.

ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS THE JOHN SMITH OVERPASS.

WE'RE RAISING THIS BRIDGE SIGNIFICANTLY AS PART OF THIS FOR THE INTERSTATE.

SO THE JOHN SMITH ROAD BRIDGE IS BEING REPLACED TO FACILITATE THE WIDENING OF THE INTERSTATE UNDERNEATH OF IT.

SO IT IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT HAS TO BE DONE AS PART OF THE PROJECT.

SO THE PLAN IS TO CLOSE AND DETOUR JOHN SMITH ROAD.

WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT DETOUR ABOUT NINE MONTHS, BUT THE YOU WON'T HAVE IMPROVEMENTS GOING ON AT EXIT FIVE OR X EIGHT AT THE SAME TIME.

SO THE PLAN WOULD BE AS WE WORK THROUGH CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, IS IMPROVEMENTS HAPPEN AT EXIT FIVE FIRST.

SO WE IMPROVE THOSE RAMPS AND SIGNALIZE THOSE RAMPS.

THEN WE THEN THEY JUMP TO JOHN SMITH, AND THEN THEY WOULD GO ULTIMATELY TO EXIT EIGHT.

TO HELP FACILITATE THAT BECAUSE AS OUR CONSTRUCTION TIMELINES, WE'VE GOTTEN INTO IT, THE MAIN LINE CONSTRUCTION IS THE CRITICAL PATH.

WE NEED TO GET ALL THOSE PHASES OF MAIN LINE INTERSTATE WIDENING MOVING FORWARD.

[01:55:02]

SO THIS IS THE I-95 BRIDGE OVER MAIN STREET.

SO THE REASON WE'RE SHOWING THIS HERE IS WE ARE PUTTING SOUND WALLS IN ADJACENT TO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT 4000FT OF SOUND WALLS ON EACH SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE IN THIS AREA.

AND THERE WILL BE A SOUND WALL ACROSS THE BRIDGE AS WELL.

THAT WILL BE A ACRYLIC, I GUESS ACRYLIC SOUND WALL THROUGH THERE.

SO IT'LL BE SEE THROUGH.

YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE AS IT GOES ACROSS THE BRIDGE.

IT WON'T BE A A SOLID WALL.

YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH IT. IT'LL HAVE IT WILL HAVE LITTLE LINES IN IT TO HELP KEEP BIRDS FROM HITTING YOU AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL STRENGTH IN IT.

LET'S SEE. ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS IS THE EXIT FIVE IMPROVEMENTS.

SO YOU CAN SEE WE'RE SIGNALIZING THESE RAMPS.

ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE'RE DOING HERE IS.

THE FREE FLOW RIGHT THERE THAT THAT MERGE CONDITION, WE'RE ELIMINATING THAT AND BRINGING THOSE RIGHTS INTO THE SIGNAL.

AS WE LOOKED AT THE CRASH DATA, WE REALIZED THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR HAZARDS OF THIS WAS PEOPLE COMING AROUND THAT.

RIGHT, TRYING TO MERGE IN THERE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO WIDEN OUT THOSE RAMPS AND TIE EVERYBODY INTO THAT SIGNAL FOR THE RIGHT AND LEFT.

AND THEN ON THE NORTH.

I GUESS NORTHEAST SIDE THERE.

WE HAD THAT FRONT. YOU HAD THAT FRONT EDGE WHERE THAT CONNECTS BETWEEN THE TWO RAMPS.

THAT'S A HUGE HAZARD.

A POTENTIAL WRONG-WAY DRIVER IS GETTING ON THE INTERSTATE, SO WE WANTED TO DISCONNECT THAT.

AND AS PART OF THAT, AS WE WERE INITIALLY PLANNING THAT THE WASN'T PART OF THE PLAN.

SO WE HAD AN INITIAL PLAN TO KIND OF RELOCATE THAT IN A SIMILAR PLACE WHERE THE SH IS AT, BUT WE HAD TO GO BACK THROUGH AND RELOCATE THAT FURTHER BEHIND THERE.

SO WE HAVE TIED THAT BACK OVER TO A ROUNDABOUT, WHICH INCLUDES SOME OF RELOCATION OF THE DRAINAGE CANAL THROUGH THERE, WHICH WE'VE WORKED OUT.

AND THAT'S JUST A RELOCATES ADJACENT TO THE ROAD AND TIES BACK IN JUST WHERE WE CROSS THAT.

AND THEN WE TIE BACK INTO A ROUNDABOUT THERE THAT TIES INTO US 17.

AND EACH OF THOSE HAVE BEEN COORDINATED WITH DEVELOPMENTS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD THERE FOR THAT ALIGNMENT.

AND THEN THIS IS EXIT THREE.

SO THIS IS MORE DEVELOPING THIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH JASPER COUNTY CITY HARDEEVILLE AND THE DEVELOPER CITY AND OUR CONSULTING PARTNERS ARE WORKING THROUGH THE FINAL PLANS DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS.

BUT THIS WILL BE A NEW SIX LANE OR IT'S A SEVEN LANE D INTERCHANGE.

SO THERE'S FOUR LANES IN ONE DIRECTION, THREE LANES IN THE OTHER DIRECTION ACROSS THIS BRIDGE.

SO WE'LL HAVE CURRENTLY PERCH BAY ROAD WILL BE RIVERPORT PARKWAY IN THE FUTURE.

AND YOU SEE THOSE RAMPS TIE BACK INTO THE INTERSTATE, WHICH ALL OF THAT IS ACCOMMODATED AS PART OF THE 95 PROJECT.

SO WE'RE WE'RE READY TO ACCEPT THIS WHEN IT'S WHEN IT'S READY TO MOVE FORWARD.

ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE'LL GET INTO THE PROJECT UPDATES AND KIND OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN IN THE PROJECT AND WHERE WE'RE HEADING.

SO WE HAD WE STARTED OUR ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR.

WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH GETTING OUR PERMIT.

WE EXPECT TO HAVE THAT BY JUNE OF THIS YEAR.

WE GOT OUR A NEPA DOCUMENT AND IMR APPROVAL FROM FEDERAL HIGHWAYS IN AUGUST, WHICH ALLOWED US TO START OUR RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION FOR THE PROJECT. WE'RE ABOUT 40 TRACKS OF RIGHT OF WAY.

WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH ACQUIRING THAT RIGHT OF WAY.

WE ALL STARTED ALL THAT IN AUGUST.

SO IN NOVEMBER IT WAS DETERMINED, I GUESS REALLY IN AUGUST.

BUT NOVEMBER WE STARTED IT.

THIS IS DETERMINED AS A FEDERAL HIGHWAY MAJOR PROJECT, WHICH IS ANY PROJECT THAT'S OVER.

TOTAL COST IS OVER $500 MILLION.

SO AS WE DID THAT, WE HAD TO GO THROUGH A MORE DETAILED COST AND SCHEDULE RISK ANALYSIS.

WE WERE ALREADY DOING RISK ANALYSIS WITH THE PROJECT, BUT FEDERAL HIGHWAYS REQUIRES A THREE DAY WORKSHOP, A SPECIFIC WAY OF GOING THROUGH THE COST OF RISK ANALYSIS.

SO WE WENT THROUGH THAT WORKSHOP IN JANUARY AND PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR DOT SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, CONSULTING SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS FEDERAL HIGHWAYS. WITH THAT WORKSHOP AND OUT OF THAT WORKSHOP, WE GET A PROBABILITY OF 70 COST ESTIMATE FOR THE PROJECT.

SO THAT TELLS US WHAT IS THE PROBABILITY 70TH PERCENTILE OF THIS COST BEING.

HOPEFULLY IT'S GOING TO BE UNDER THAT.

YOU KNOW, 70% OF IT SHOULD BE UNDER THAT.

AND WE'RE NORTH OF OVER $600 MILLION WITH THAT ALL IN COST FOR THAT AND PUSHING CLOSER TO 700.

SO WE'VE, YOU KNOW, COSTS HAVE GONE UP ON THE PROJECT.

IN FEBRUARY, WE SUBMITTED A FINAL ROADWAY AND BRIDGE PLANS TO DOT FOR REVIEW.

SO THOSE ARE GOING THROUGH THE QUALITY ASSURANCE REVIEWS RIGHT NOW.

IN MARCH WE HAD A FINAL DESIGN FIELD REVIEW, CONSTRUCTION REVIEW WITH ALL OF OUR CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ACCOMMODATING EVERYTHING THAT'S NEEDED FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THE PROJECT IN THE FIELD.

THAT WENT IT WENT WELL.

WE HAD A FEW SMALL TWEAKS TO HOW WE'RE DOING THINGS AS FAR AS SOME WALLS AND STUFF, BUT NOTHING MAJOR CAME OUT OF THAT.

[02:00:08]

SO AS YOU CAN SEE WE'RE GETTING WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THE FINISH LINE HERE.

SO IN APRIL WE'LL SUBMIT RFC WHERE APPROVAL FOR CONSTRUCTION PLANS.

AND THEN THOSE WILL COME IN UNTIL JUNE AND JUNE.

WE HAVE TO HAVE FINAL OR ACTUALLY MAY 28TH.

FINAL PLANS GO TO FEDERAL HIGHWAYS FOR THEIR REVIEW.

SO. AND THEN THEN THE FINAL FINAL PLANS AFTER THE REVIEW IS IN JUNE.

WE OBLIGATE FOR CONSTRUCTION IN JULY, AND IN DECEMBER IS SET FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.

LETTING FOR THE PROJECT, WHICH THAT COULD SHIFT AROUND A LITTLE BIT DEPENDING ON HOW WE FEEL THE CONTRACTOR COMMUNITY IS, WE MAY GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE TIME ON IT AND GO TOWARDS FEBRUARY JUST TO SEE IF WE THINK WE CAN GET BETTER BIDS AT THAT TIME.

SO THIS IS OUR PROJECT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

SO THIS WAS A SIGNIFICANTLY ACCELERATED PROJECT.

TYPICALLY YOU WOULD SEE AN INTERSTATE ABOUT ABOUT 50 MONTHS FROM START TO FINISH FROM WHEN WE START THE PROJECT TO FINAL PLANS.

THIS ONE'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 32 MONTHS OR SO.

SO WE ACCELERATE ABOUT 18 MONTHS TO TO MEET THAT 2024 SCHEDULE.

AND AT THAT TIME I'LL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.

THERE. YES, JOHN, I KNOW I'M GOING TO GET ASKED.

SO WHEN I'M AROUND THE EXIT FIVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FRONTAGE ROAD THERE ALONG THE RUN PARALLEL TO 95 AND THE HOUSES ON BOTH SIDES OF I 95. AND I KNOW YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE ACRYLIC OVER THE BRIDGE THERE, BUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU WIDEN 95 WITH THOSE HOUSES ON BOTH SIDES.

SO ALL THE WIDENING FOR 95 WILL BE TOWARDS THE MEDIAN.

OKAY. SO IT WON'T BE OUT BECAUSE SO WE'RE NOT GOING OUT.

WE'RE NOT GOING OUTSIDE WITH ANY OF THE INDUSTRY OKAY.

EVERYTHING'S TOWARDS THE ASKED THAT QUESTION.

YEP. YES SIR I'VE ALREADY READY.

ALL RIGHT. SO IT WILL NOT COME OUT OKAY.

YEAH. CORRECT. ANYONE ELSE FROM COUNCIL? HE ASKED BEFORE TRAFFIC CONTROL WILL BE BUILT INTO SOME OF THESE INTERSECTIONS AS THINGS ARE CLOSED AND REOPENED, CORRECT? YES. SO THAT WILL BE SO.

WE'LL HAVE A ROBUST LIKE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.

SO MANAGING TRAFFIC THAT INCLUDE I THINK WE'VE GOT TEN PLUS MESSAGE BOARDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OUT THERE TO HELP DIRECT THE PUBLIC.

AND SOME OF THOSE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE SOME IN GEORGIA TO TELL, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S STARTING TO BACK UP, TO START USING OTHER WAYS AS WELL AS ONE THAT WILL PROBABLY HAVE ONE NORTH OF EXIT 28 AS WELL, IN CASE TO TELL PEOPLE LIKE, HEY, WE GOT BACKUPS HERE, GO HERE.

SO IT'LL ALL BE AND THEN WE'LL HAVE WORK ZONE AS WELL.

SO THAT'LL, WE'LL HAVE TRAVEL TIME THAT BEING MONITORED AS WELL AS SPEEDS TO THE CORRIDOR TO KIND OF ENHANCE MY CONCERN WAS JUST OH.

SYNCHRONIZATION AT A COUPLE OF THE INTERSECTIONS IS WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WE SEE ON 278 ACCESSING JOHN SMITH AND 17 IN THE MORNING AND IN THE AFTERNOON. WE HAVE TO BE PROACTIVE WITH THAT BECAUSE CHIEF DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH STAFF FOR US TO PUT OFFICERS AT THOSE CORNERS DURING THOSE TIMES OF THE DAY.

SO I HOPE THAT'S BUILT INTO THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO LOSE ONE FOR A FOR NINE MONTHS.

YES. AND WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THE OTHER ONE, POSSIBLY ON WEEKENDS AND AT OTHER TIMES FOR THE EXIT EIGHT.

YEAH. EXIT EIGHT WILL HAVE SOME.

MAYBE WE CAN COUPLE DAY WEEKEND AND THOSE MAY BE WEEKDAY CLOSURES.

KIND OF LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC.

YOU KNOW IT MAY BE A TUESDAY WEDNESDAY THAT MAKES WORKS BETTER THAN A SATURDAY SUNDAY CLOSE.

YEAH THAT'S COOL. I JUST LIKE TO HAVE THESE ALL IN PLACE AHEAD OF TIME, BECAUSE WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT IT CAN TAKE WITH ENGINEERING AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO GET THESE INTO PLACE, AND I DON'T WANT TO FIND OUT WHEN WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH THAT.

OOPS. NOW WE HAVE TO DO THAT.

WE? YEAH, WE AND WE'RE INCLUDING DURING THE JOHN SMITH WE'RE GOING TO REDO THE SIGNAL TIMING AT EXIT EIGHT TO PRIORITIZE THE MOVEMENTS ALONG 278 TO HELP, ESPECIALLY MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE.

SO WE'VE GOT IN THERE SOME ADJUSTMENTS ALREADY PLANNED INTO THE SIGNAL AT THE EXIT OF 17.

I KNOW YOU DISCUSSED IN THE MORNING THE MAJORITY OF TRAFFIC ON 17 IS TURNING AND HEADING EAST, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO GET THAT SAME TRAFFIC IN THE EVENING, GOING BACK AND TURNING LEFT ONTO 17, WHICH COULD BE A PROBLEM AT THAT TIME.

YEAH, WE'RE AND WE'LL BE WE'LL HAVE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND EVERYBODY WILL BE MONITORING THAT.

THANK YOU. I OF COURSE HAVE EXITS, BUT I WILL WITHHOLD MY QUESTIONS FOR A DIFFERENT TIME.

ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. MIKE.

YEAH. JUST QUICKLY. AND I'VE SAID, NOT IN FRONT OF YOU, CRAIG, BUT I'VE COMPLIMENTED THE DOT AND YOURSELF AND YOUR CSCI.

I MEAN, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU.

I MEAN, AND YOU SAY THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS A LOT OF BUREAUCRACY, BUT WE THIS HAS BEEN A TRUE PARTNERSHIP.

WE'VE WE'VE MET ON A REGULAR BASIS.

[02:05:02]

SO IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING TO GET THIS PROJECT AND WE'LL BE GREAT WHEN IT KICKS OFF.

SO THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH US AND PARTNERING WITH US ON THIS PROJECT.

WE CAN TELL IT'S NOT YOUR FIRST RODEO.

NO. IT'S NOT. YEAH, I HAVE TO.

I HAVE TO ECHO MY.

I MEAN, IT REALLY HAS BEEN A IT'S BEEN A LONG HAUL.

AND THAT'S JUST SINCE MIKE AND I HAVE BEEN HERE.

AND IT STARTED BEFORE THEN, AND BUT IT WE DO APPRECIATE THE COURTESY, THE CONSIDERATION THAT YOU'VE GIVEN TO THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE.

AND WE WISH YOU A LOT OF LUCK WITH THIS PROJECT.

I PROBABLY I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT THAT IS MORE TALKED ABOUT FROM THE RESIDENTS IN OUR CITY. WHEN'S IT GOING TO BE WIDENED? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LAST WEEKEND.

WERE YOU DOWN HERE LAST WEEKEND? NO, IT WAS A GOOD THING.

I MEAN, AND EVERY HOLIDAY, CHRISTMAS, I-95 IS A DISASTER PARKING LOT.

AND SO THIS IS A HIGHLY ANTICIPATED IMPROVEMENT TO THE LOW COUNTRY.

AND AND THANK YOU.

YEAH. THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.

I MUST COMPLIMENT SCDOT.

ON GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC.

YOU'VE DONE A PRESENTATION.

MARGARITAVILLE. I THINK YOU'VE DONE ONE SUN CITY.

THAT TAKES A LOT.

YOU'RE ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE WOULD NORMALLY BE ASKING US.

SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR.

ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING.

I HOPE YOU'RE GOING TO COLUMBIA.

HOPEFULLY I-95 WILL BE CLEAR NOW.

26. WATCH THAT TRAFFIC.

ALL RIGHT. NOW.

THANK YOU. AND DRIVE SAFE.

GOING HOME. THANK YOU.

GREG. NEXT WE HAVE THE CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION PROCLAMATION.

[C. CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION PROCLAMATION]

THIS IS CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION AND AWARENESS MONTH PROCLAMATION.

THE. ALSO.

OKAY. THERE WERE FOUND 8304 CHILDREN AND FOUNDED INVESTIGATIONS OF CHILD MALTREATMENT IN SOUTH CAROLINA IN 2023.

IN 2023, THE CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION ASSOCIATION HOUSED 96 CHILDREN AND HOPEFUL HORIZONS CONDUCTED 404 FORENSIC INTERVIEWS FOR CASES OF ALLEGED CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT.

PREVENTING CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT MUST BE A PRIORITY.

THAT REQUIRES INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES, YOUTH ORGANIZATIONS, FAITH BASED GROUPS, BUSINESSES, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, AND EVERYONE THAT MAKES UP OUR COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT THE PHYSICAL, EMOTIONAL, AND EDUCATION DEVELOPMENT OF ALL CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES.

WHEREAS EFFECTIVE CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION EXISTS IN COMMUNITIES THAT PROVIDES PARENTS WITH THE SOCIAL SUPPORT, KNOWLEDGE OF PARENTING AND CHILD DEVELOPMENT, AND CONCRETE RESOURCES THEY NEED TO COPE WITH THE STRESS AND AND NURTURE THEIR CHILDREN.

HELP TO ENSURE THAT ALL CHILDREN CAN GROW IN THEIR FULL POTENTIAL.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, IN CONJUNCTION WITH HOPEFUL HORIZONS CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT SERVICE PROGRAMS AROUND THE STATE, DESIGNATES THE MONTH OF APRIL AS CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION AND AWARENESS MONTH. I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION FROM COUNCIL TO ENDORSE THIS PROCLAMATION.

MAKE A MOTION. WE ENDORSE THE PROCLAMATION.

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. OKAY.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR ADOPTING.

THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS SITUATION.

AND ALL THESE PROCLAMATIONS HELP BRING AWARENESS TO SITUATIONS.

YES. YES, MAYOR.

WE HAVE MISS JEN BALL HERE TO RECEIVE THE PROCLAMATION.

I AM TERRIBLY SORRY.

PLEASE JOIN US.

AND STATE YOUR NAME.

AND FOR THE RECORD.

[02:10:01]

AND I'M WITH COPPA. IT'S CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION ASSOCIATION.

AND WE'RE OUT OF PORT ROYAL.

WELCOME. THANK YOU.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR PROGRAM AND AND WHAT YOU SEE ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS? THANK YOU FOR FOR DOING THIS FOR US.

WE, WE LOVE WORKING WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT COUNTIES.

AND THIS IS THIS IS GREAT.

SO WE APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I HAVE I HAVE A QUESTION.

I THINK I HAD HEARD SOMETHING, AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE I HAVE IT RIGHT, BUT I HEARD THAT A LOT OF THE ABUSE THAT HAPPENS, IT'S RIGHT IN THE HOME, RIGHT? IT'S IT'S IT'S JUST ABOUT ALL OF IT'S IN, IN THE HOME.

SO THIS AWARENESS CAN BE VERY HELPFUL TO, TO PARENTS AND WHO ARE STRESSED.

AND IT'S TOUGH YOU KNOW TO THAT THERE IS THERE IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE.

OKAY. GREAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SHE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT.

I'M SORRY. WE CAN TAKE THAT.

PRESENT THAT TO HER.

THANK YOU. I SIGNED IT BEFORE THE MEETING.

OKAY. YOU HAVE TO WAIT AND HEAR THE REST.

I'LL STICK AROUND. THANK YOU ALL.

TOUGH WORK. OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION AND APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 21ST, 2024 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

[VII. PRESENTATION & APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

[A. MARCH 21, 2024, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING]

WE HAVE THE MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. OKAY.

ALL BUSINESS. THIS IS SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, TO AMEND CHAPTER 13 OFFENSES AND MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS OF THE

[VIII. OLD BUSINESS]

THIS IS THE OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE HATE CRIMES BILL.

MR. CZYMBOR OR ATTORNEY MAYNES.

[A. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO AMEND CHAPTER 13, “OFFENSES AND MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS” OF THE HARDEEVILLE CODE OF ORDINANCES (2024-3-21A) PUBLIC HEARING]

MISS MAYNES IS HERE.

THE COUNCIL HAS ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

OKAY, SO THIS IS SECOND READING, AND WE DID DISCUSS THIS TWO WEEKS AGO.

WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR FURTHER QUESTIONS.

I'LL START WITH THE RIGHT AND MR. MEERSMAN, NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

MRS GUZMAN.

NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, SIR.

MR. WHITE. NO QUESTIONS, MR. CARROLL. NO QUESTIONS.

MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED LAST TIME, AND AS I'M REPORTING TO IN MY ARTICLE, HARDEEVILLE IS ONLY THE NINTH MUNICIPALITY OUT OF 271 TO PASS IF WE VOTE FOR IT, A HATE CRIMES BILL.

SOUTH CAROLINA IS ONE OF ONLY TWO STATES IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY THAT DOES NOT HAVE A HATE CRIMES BILL, WHICH IS WHY THE ASKED COUNCIL TO ENDORSE THIS LOCAL CODE, THAT WE CAN AT LEAST TAKE A MORAL STAND ON THE FACT THAT WE WILL NOT TOLERATE HATE CRIMES OF ANY SORT.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY AT THIS POINT.

I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, ASK A QUESTION REGARDING THIS ORDINANCE? SEEING NONE.

I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.

THIS IS ORDINANCE 2024.

DASH THREE. DASH 21 A.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

ORDINANCE 2024.

DASH THREE, DASH 21 A.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

A CALL FOR A VOICE. VOTE ON THIS.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. COUNCIL MY CONGRATULATIONS AND MY COMPLIMENTS ON A JOB WELL DONE.

NEW BUSINESS, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO ADOPT THE FAIR HOUSING RESOLUTION AND CITY OF HARDEEVILLE POLICY OF NONDISCRIMINATION.

[IX. NEW BUSINESS]

[A. A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO ADOPT THE FAIR HOUSING RESOLUTION AND CITY OF HARDEEVILLE POLICY OF NONDISCRIMINATION (2024-4-4A) PUBLIC COMMENT]

THIS IS A RESOLUTION REQUIRING ONLY ONE VOTE.

MR.. CZYMBOR, PLEASE.

YES, SIR. SO WE DO THIS ANNUALLY ACKNOWLEDGING THE IMPORTANCE OF FAIR HOUSING.

IT'S ALSO REQUIRED, OBVIOUSLY, IF WE ACCEPT CERTAIN STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS.

SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE COUNCIL ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION, WHICH ENDORSES THE THE POLICY OF NONDISCRIMINATION.

[02:15:08]

LET'S START QUESTIONING TO THE LEFT THIS TIME.

MR. CARROLL, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO COMMENTS.

AND NO QUESTIONS. LIKE I SAID, WE USUALLY, LIKE MIKE SAYS EVERY YEAR TO I GUESS WE HAVE TO RENEW THIS.

BUT AND I KNOW WE TRY TO PRACTICE WHAT, YOU KNOW, TO BE FAIR.

MR. WHITE. NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

JOHN'S COMMENTS ARE RIGHT ON MRS GUZMAN.

NO QUESTION SIR. MR. MEERSMAN NO QUESTIONS.

I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

AND MR. CARROLL SAID IT ALL. I BELIEVE I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP NOW TO THE PUBLIC.

ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OR MAKE A COMMENT? SEEING NONE.

I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THE FAIR HOUSING.

RESOLUTION. THIS IS 2024.

DASH FOUR, DASH FOUR A.

I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE FAIR HOUSING RESOLUTION 2020 4-4-4A.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BREAK MISTER CAROL'S RECORD, BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE A SHORT MEETING TODAY, RIGHT? OKAY. WE HAVE THE MANAGER'S REPORT, MR. CZYMBOR, PLEASE. YES, SIR.

[X. MANAGERS REPORT]

SO WE ARE IN THE FINAL STRETCHES OF PREPARING THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET.

SO YOU WILL BE RECEIVING THAT NEXT FRIDAY, AND THEN WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME TIME TO DIGEST IT, AND THEN WE'LL SCHEDULE OUR WORKSHOP TO GO THROUGH THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET.

AND THEN SECONDLY, JUST BECAUSE CATHERINE AND CATHERINE IS SITTING HERE, WE HAVE BEEN REQUESTED BY THE MAYOR TO LOOK AT ESTABLISHING AN HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR THE CITY. MISS MAINS HAS DRAFTED AN ORDINANCE, SO WE WILL BE PROPOSING THAT TO THE FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE A VERY SHORT REPORT.

OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO ALPHABETICALLY TONIGHT AND START WITH MR.

[XI. COUNCIL ISSUES AND CONCERNS]

I DID WANT TO AND KIND OF WENT ALONG WITH OUR PROCLAMATION TONIGHT.

I WANTED TO THANK MR. STEVE MEERSMAN FOR INVITING US TO HEAR MR. DUFFY STONE.

HE HAD A VERY, VERY INTERESTING TALK.

AND MARGARITAVILLE ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE'S DONE IN THE FOURTH CIRCUIT'S 14TH CIRCUIT, AND HE HAS REALLY DONE SOME INNOVATIVE THINGS.

I WAS REALLY SOME OF THE THINGS I KNEW, SOME I WAS REALLY SURPRISED.

AND I KNOW HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT WITH THE PROCLAMATION AND THINGS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THANKED HIM FOR FOR THAT STEVE, FOR INVITING US AND FOR MR. STONE BEING THAT PROACTIVE, TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME NEW IDEAS AND THINGS.

MATTER OF FACT, ONE OF HIS IF YOU ALL RECALL, MAYOR AND STUFF, ONE OF HIS SPECIAL POINTS THAT HE WAS MENTIONING WAS JUST WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, TRYING TO HELP SMALL VICTIMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

IT'S HEARTBREAKING TRYING TO MAKE IT AS EASY FOR THEM AS HE COULD.

SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

OKAY LET'S SEE IF I KNOW MY ALPHABET.

MRS GUZMAN YOU NEXT.

HONESTLY, I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT, SIR.

WELL, WELL.

OKAY. YOU'RE ON REPORT, THEN? MR.. MEERSMAN.

I ATTENDED THE EASTER EGG HUNT, WHICH WAS A SUCCESS.

AS ALWAYS, PARK AND REC DOES A FANTASTIC JOB WITH THAT.

THEY'VE RESCHEDULED THE ADULT EASTER EGG HUNT FOR THE 12TH.

THAT OUGHT TO BE A REAL WILD NIGHT.

SO THOSE WERE BOTH GREAT EVENTS THAT OUR STAFF TAKES CARE OF.

AND ALL OF OUR STAFF IS GOOD.

I GOT PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST COMPLIMENTS I COULD EVER THINK OF.

OUT OF THE CLEAR. BLUE GENTLEMAN APPROACHED ME THE OTHER NIGHT AND HE THANKED OUR LICENSING STAFF FOR A BUSINESS PERMIT. HE HAD BEEN IN BUSINESS UP NORTH.

HE SAYS NOTHING IS EVER AS SMOOTH UP THERE IN THE CITIES WHERE HE HAD TO GET A LICENSE AS IT DID HERE.

IT JUST. HE SAID IT WAS SEAMLESS.

HE JUST WANTED ME TO MAKE SURE THAT THANK THE STAFF FOR ALL THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT.

SO WE'RE WE'RE A NUMBER ONE.

[02:20:01]

AND IT DOES MENTION IN THERE THAT THE ENGINE THAT'S DRIVING THAT IS A CITY OF HARDEEVILLE.

SO AS WE GROW, JASPER COUNTY GROWS.

BUT I LIKE IT THAT THEY MENTION HARDEEVILLE IS THE THE ENGINE THAT'S DRIVING THAT WITH THAT.

THAT'S ALL, MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU, MR. WHITE. I ATTENDED THAT DUFFY STONE MEETING WITH JOHN AS WELL.

IT WAS IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE.

AND HE'S WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE A PERSON WITH A VISION THAT HE HAS TO DO THE RIGHT THING IN OUR AREA, IN MY OPINION.

I ALSO WENT UP TO JASPER COUNTY'S MEETING, AND THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL TO SEE SOME OF THE PROJECTS THEY HAVE AND SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS. AND OTHER THAN THAT, NOTHING TO REPORT.

OKAY. WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE EASTER EGG.

AND DUFFY STONE CROSSED THAT ONE OFF ON THE 22ND.

YOU'LL RECALL AT THE LAST MEETING, WE ENDORSED A PROCLAMATION TO MISS JEANETTE DELOACH AT THE SENIOR CENTER BEHIND US. AND I PRESENTED THAT PROCLAMATION ON THE FOLLOWING DAY, AND THAT WAS A REALLY NICE EVENT.

AND IT OBVIOUSLY, SHE'S DONE SO MUCH FOR THAT SENIOR CENTER OVER THE LAST 19 YEARS.

AND YOU COULD TELL BY THE THE LOVE, THE, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE GIVING HER.

SO THAT WAS A GREAT DAY ON THE 27TH.

LAST WEEK, LAST WEDNESDAY WAS THE JASPER LOW COUNTRY BOIL THAT WE GAVE.

IT'S BETWEEN THE SENATE AND REPRESENTATIVE OFFICE BUILDINGS, AND IT'S DONE EVERY YEAR.

AND WE GET THEY GET SEVERAL HUNDRED MEALS SERVED.

AND YOU KNOW, HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO ALL OUR LOCAL STATE REPRESENTATIVES AND SENATORS.

I THINK I HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO THEM ALL.

THEY ALL SHOWED UP.

AND WE ALSO GET A CHANCE TO INTERMINGLE WITH THE STAFF.

AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL.

YESTERDAY MORNING I DID A JOINT SPEAKING ENGAGEMENT WITH MAYOR TUMA OF BLUFFTON TO SUN CITY GROUP AT THEIR BREAKFAST THING.

AND I'VE GIVEN I GAVE 2 OR 3 WITH MAYOR SULKA.

AND THAT'S ALWAYS REALLY INTERESTING.

AND AND I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS SURPRISING I-95 KEPT COMING UP AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TRAFFIC AROUND THERE.

SO I SHOULD HAVE HAD THIS NEXT WEEK AND I COULD TELL THEM ABOUT YOUR REPORT.

I'VE ASKED THE THE STAFF AND MEDIA DEPARTMENT TO START A NEW PROGRAM, AND I THOUGHT OF THIS BECAUSE OF WE HAVE SOME NEW TENANTS ON WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD. WE'RE DOING A SERIES THAT WE'RE CALLING.

THE THEME IS CALLED HARDEEVILLE SHOP LOCAL, THRIVE LOCAL.

OKAY. AND WHAT OUR PLAN IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A STANDARD INTRO, AND WE'RE GOING TO INTERVIEW A 3 OR 4 MINUTE INTERVIEW WITH ALL THE BUSINESS OWNERS ALONG THE STREET.

AND EVENTUALLY I'D LIKE TO DO THE ENTIRE CITY, NOT JUST WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD.

AND THIS WILL BE A SERIES OF VIDEO.

SERIES THAT WE CAN GET OUT TO THE PUBLIC TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT WE HAVE HERE AND ALSO GET TO MEET THE BUSINESS OWNERS, BECAUSE THESE ARE GOING TO BE PERSONAL INTERVIEWS.

TODAY WE DID RICK PATEL AND THE NEW SAVANNAH PIZZA COMPANY UP ON WHITE HARDY.

SO I PLAN TO GET THEM ALL AND I SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE, BUT I WANT TO GIVE A HUGE SHOUT OUT TO ALL OUR MEDIA TEAM, THE BRAINSTORMING COMING UP WITH A PROJECT OVERVIEW AND AND VISION STATEMENT OF WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH, COMING UP WITH SLOGANS AND THE WHOLE THING.

THEY WERE ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL.

SO THANK YOU ALL. JAMES AND AND JESSICA AND ELIZABETH.

JUAN, PHENOMENAL.

A GREAT JOB TODAY.

I WANT TO INVITE EVERYBODY NEXT WEEK TO THE YOUTH COUNCIL.

THIS IS KIND OF LIKE THE FINAL MEETING.

THE KIDS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A VIDEO TO IT'S A PUBLIC AWARENESS VIDEO ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF PERSONAL HYGIENE.

SO APPARENTLY, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME STUDENTS, UNFORTUNATELY, WHO ARE NOT WELL VERSED IN THAT.

[02:25:04]

THE KIDS WILL DECIDE THAT WEDNESDAY NIGHT, BUT PLEASE COME.

WE'RE GOING TO PREVIEW THE VIDEO FOR THE FIRST TIME TO THE KIDS.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE QUITE IMPRESSED WITH WHAT THEY DID.

THIS IS A WRITTEN AND DIRECTED BY THE STUDENTS THEMSELVES AND OF COURSE, CO-DIRECTED BY JESSICA.

SHE HAS BEEN, AGAIN, PHENOMENAL.

I CAN'T THANK HER ENOUGH.

SO PLEASE JOIN US.

THE EVERYBODY JASPER MOVES COMING UP THE END OF THE MONTH.

SO PLEASE, IF YOU HAVEN'T RESPONDED TO ROBIN, PLEASE DO SO.

AND ALSO, WE HAVE A MEETING BEFORE THAT, BUT EARTH DAY IS ON THE 22ND.

SO LOOKING IF ANYBODY YOU WANT TO GATHER UP VOLUNTEERS TO HELP PICK UP LITTER ON EARTH DAY.

ALSO, I'M GOING TO PRESENT FOR YOUR APPROVAL AT NEXT MEETING A PROCLAMATION TO HONOR PJ NAPPY, WHO'S OUT THERE EVERY DAY CLEANING UP JOHN SMITH ROAD.

SO I WE WILL.

ROBIN'S ALREADY SHOWED ME THAT PROCLAMATION.

I'LL ASK FOR YOUR ENDORSEMENT AT THE NEXT MEETING.

AND PLEASE JOIN US ON THE 22ND FOR EARTH DAY PICKUP.

NOT YOU. STEVE, I DON'T NEED YOU HURTING THE OTHER KNEE.

I CAN STAY HOME. I CAN STILL HOBBLE.

YOU CAN COME FOR LUNCH, BUT YOU'RE NOT PICKING UP ANYTHING TO PICK UP.

YEAH, OKAY. I'LL BRING SOME PEOPLE FROM.

YEAH, YEAH.

MARGARITAVILLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A WONDERFUL PARTICIPANT.

YEAH, YEAH. OKAY, SO THAT'S IT.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN BEFORE 6:00? THIS IS A RECORD.

WE DIDN'T GET A FIRST OR SECOND.

OKAY, SO YOU DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING.

COULD I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

[XII. ADJOURNMENT]

THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.