A. DISCUSSION OF EMPLOYMENT, APPOINTMENT, COMPENSATION, PROMOTION, DEMOTION, DISCIPLINE, OR RELEASE OF AN EMPLOYEE, A STUDENT, OR A PERSON REGULATED BY A PUBLIC BODY OR THE APPOINTMENT OF A PERSON TO A PUBLIC BODY IN ACCORDANCE WITH S.C. CODE OF LAW 30-4-70(A)

[A. DISCUSSION OF EMPLOYMENT, APPOINTMENT, COMPENSATION, PROMOTION, DEMOTION, DISCIPLINE, OR RELEASE OF AN EMPLOYEE, A STUDENT, OR A PERSON REGULATED BY A PUBLIC BODY OR THE APPOINTMENT OF A PERSON TO A PUBLIC BODY IN ACCORDANCE WITH S.C. CODE OF LAW 30-4-70(A)]

WE WILL ALSO BE DISCUSSING THE PROPOSED CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENTS AND PROPOSED SALE OR PURCHASE OF PROPERTY OR THE RECEIPT OF LEGAL ADVICE.

[B. DISCUSSION OF NEGOTIATIONS INCIDENT TO PROPOSED CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENTS AND PROPOSED SALE OR PURCHASE OF PROPERTY, THE RECEIPT OF LEGAL ADVICE WHERE LEGAL ADVICE RELATES TO A PENDING, THREATENED, OR POTENTIAL CLAIM OR OTHER MATTERS COVERED BY THE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE, SETTLEMENT OF LEGAL CLAIMS, OR THE POSITION OF THE PUBLIC AGENCY IN OTHER ADVERSARY SITUATIONS INVOLVING THE ASSERTION AGAINST THE AGENCY OF A CLAIM IN ACCORDANCE WITH S.C. CODE OF LAW 30-470(A(2)]

SO WE WILL BE GETTING LEGAL ADVICE AND ALSO TALKING ABOUT A PROPERTY PURCHASE AND SALE.

MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ENTER INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION? I MAKE A MOTION, MR. MAYOR, THAT WE ENTER INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE NOW IN EXECUTIVE SESSION E VERYONE

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[INAUDIBLE].

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MOTION,

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WE RETURN TO REGULAR SESSION.

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WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

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SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION.

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WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

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SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

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AYE. WE ARE BACK IN REGULAR SESSION FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WEREN'T HERE EARLIER, WE OPENED THE MEETING AT 3:30 BEFORE WE WENT INTO EXECUTIVE

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SESSION. SO THE FIRST PART OF THE AGENDA OF THE INVOCATION, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA HAS ALL BEEN FINISHED.

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NEXT PART OF OUR AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMENTS.

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HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?

[V. PUBLIC COMMENTS (3 MINUTE TIME LIMIT)]

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NO. OKAY.

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WE HAVE NO PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS THIS AFTERNOON.

[VI. PUBLIC PRESENTATION - NONE]

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SO WE GO TO THE PRESENTATION AND APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

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THIS IS THE FEBRUARY 15TH, 2024 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES.

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DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 15TH?

[VII. PRESENTATION & APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

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MR. MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MOTION FROM FEBRUARY 15TH, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

[A. FEBRUARY 15, 2024, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING]

WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. WE HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS.

WE'RE ALL NEW TONIGHT.

[VIII. OLD BUSINESS - NONE]

FIRST THING WE HAVE IS THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE.

[IX. NEW BUSINESS]

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PARCEL 040-14-02-001, CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 13.2 ACRES OF REAL ESTATE LOCATED IN JASPER COUNTY, NOT ALREADY WITHIN THE HARDEEVILLE CITY LIMITS, AS WELL AS ALL ADJACENT PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY, RAILROAD RIGHTS OF WAY,

[A. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE TMS PARCEL 040-14-02-001 CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY +/- 13.227 ACRES OF REAL ESTATE LOCATED IN JASPER COUNTY NOT ALREADY WITHIN THE HARDEEVILLE CITY LIMITS, AS WELL AS ALL ADJACENT PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY, RAILROAD RIGHTS OF WAY, WATERS, LOWLANDS, AND WETLANDS. (2024-3-7A)]

WATERS, LOWLANDS AND WETLANDS.

THIS IS ORDINANCE 2024-3-7A, MR. CZYMBOR, PLEASE. YEAH.

MISS WOODRUFF IS GOING TO HANDLE THIS.

THIS IS AN ANNEXATION OF PETITION BY THE CREATIVE CHURCH AND THE PARTICULAR ZONING IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES THE ANNEXATION, MISS WOODRUFF.

GOOD EVENING. SO THIS IS FOR 1293 PLANTATION DRIVE, WHICH MOST OF US KNOW IS CREATIVE CHURCH PROPERTY.

IT'S ON PLANTATION DRIVE NEAR PINE ARBOR ROAD, 13.2 ACRES.

THE APPLICATION IS REQUESTED.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING REZONING OF THE PROPERTY FROM RESIDENTIAL IN UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ONE IN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE.

I HAVE THE PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS PLANTATION DRIVE AND GOING TOWARDS PINE ARBOR ROAD RIGHT HERE.

AND THIS IS THE MILLSTONE LANDING DEVELOPMENT.

YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT HERE.

WHICH IS WHY WE'VE RECOMMENDED THAT ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY IF IT IS ANNEXED.

A FEW PICTURES OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY.

THE MCO STATES THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT IS DESIGNED IS DESIGNED TO ENCOURAGE THE FORMATION AND CONTINUANCE OF A STABLE, HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT FOR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.

RESIDENTS OF THIS DISTRICT SHOULD EXPECT A VARIED RANGE OF PUBLIC SERVICES, AND THE USES PROPOSED ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THAT DISTRICT.

THE LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS THAT THE CITY SHOULD PRIORITIZE ANNEXING LANDS WHICH FILL IN THE DONUT HOLES OF THE CITY.

INCREASE COMPACTNESS AND INCREASE CONTIGUITY.

THIS PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING CITY LIMITS OF HARDEEVILLE, TO BOTH THE NORTH AND EAST.

THIS HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF PLANNING COMMISSION WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, AND AT THIS TIME, I WILL INTRODUCE PASTOR CLARK TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO ADD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. HELLO.

GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS LINDSAY CLARK.

MY HUSBAND, ERIC CLARK, IS THE PASTOR AT CREATIVE CHURCH.

[INAUDIBLE] I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF OUR CHURCH TO REQUEST THAT OUR PROPERTY BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. YOU, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, OUR PROPERTY IS REALLY USED IN THE COMMUNITY.

YES, WE HAVE CHURCH ON SUNDAYS, BUT WE REALLY VIEW OUR CHURCH AS MUCH MORE OF A COMMUNITY OUTREACH TYPE OF PLACE.

WE HAVE A FOOD PANTRY THAT FEEDS OVER 500 PEOPLE EVERY OTHER SATURDAY, A CLOTHING CLOSET.

THE HARDEEVILLE BARRACUDAS USE OUR FIELDS WHEN THEY'RE IN SEASON WHEN THEY CAN'T USE THE CITY FIELDS, OF COURSE.

AND THEN BLUFFED AND RUSH SOCCER ALSO USE OUR FIELD USES OUR FIELDS.

WE DO MENTORING CLASSES FOR BOYS AND GIRLS, ALL OF THAT KIND OF THING.

AND WE ARE LOOKING TO OPEN A LONG TERM SAFE HOUSE FOR WOMEN WHO ARE VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

THIS IS NOT AN EMERGENCY SHELTER WHERE THEY'RE FLEEING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TO OUR PROPERTY KIND OF THING.

THIS IS MORE OF A THEY HAVE ALREADY FLED THEIR SITUATION.

THEY ALREADY HAVE A RESTRAINING ORDER IN PLACE.

AND THEY NEED A SHELTER.

THEY NEED A PLACE, A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD WHERE THEY CAN HEAL.

AND OUR GOAL, OUR HEART, OUR MISSION IS TO HELP THEM BUILD THEIR LIFE BACK.

SO GIVE THEM RESOURCES AND SERVICES LIKE TEACHING ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE, HOW TO FILL OUT A JOB RESUME, HOW TO CONDUCT A JOB INTERVIEW, THESE KINDS OF THINGS AND A LOT MORE.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE ARE LOOKING TO BE REZONED INTO THE CITY VERSUS WE'RE BEING IN THE COUNTY.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP FOR THE COUNCIL TO ASK QUESTIONS, AND I'M GOING TO START TO MY RIGHT WITH MR. MEERSMAN. OKAY.

I HAVE NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, MRS. GUZMAN. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS EITHER.

MR. WHITE, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT MISSION AND IT WILL MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR THE THE VISION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MR. CARROLL, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR INFORMATION I SEE IN THE APPLICATION THING.

I HAD NOTICED THAT IT SAYS THAT THAT YOU SEEK TO RENOVATE A BUILDING.

WHAT IS THAT ONE OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE BACK OR WHAT BUILDING ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

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YES. SO WHEN YOU PULL ON THE PROPERTY, THERE'S A SMALL BUILDING STRAIGHT AHEAD THAT IS RIGHT IN THE BACK.

THAT'S MAY RIVER FITNESS CURRENTLY.

THE BIG, HUGE BUILDING THAT WAS A GYMNASIUM WHEN IT WAS ABUNDANT LIFE THAT'S OUR SANCTUARY.

INCLUDED IN THAT BUILDING, BUT NOBODY REALLY KNOWS ABOUT IT UNLESS THEY WENT TO SCHOOL AT ABUNDANT LIFE BACK THEN.

I MEAN, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN IN OUR CHURCH FOR YEARS THAT DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT IF YOU GO OUT THE BACK DOORS OF THE SANCTUARY UNDER THE SAME ROOF, THERE IS A SEPARATE BUILDING WITH FOUR LARGE CLASSROOMS. THAT'S THE ONLY PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT SINCE WE PURCHASED IT, WE HAVE NOT RENOVATED.

SO IT'S JUST A SIMPLE UP FIT.

I ACTUALLY HAVE PICTURES FROM OUR ARCHITECT IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THEM.

WELL, I'M BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN THAT MANY, MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS, SO I KIND OF KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT JUST WHEN IT SAID RENOVATE IT, JUST BUT I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YEAH, IT WON'T BE ANYTHING ADDING ON OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

JUST RENOVATING AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT.

I JUST WANT TO TELL A QUICK STORY.

I HAVE A VERY GOOD FRIEND FROM MANY YEARS WHO WAS FROM TEXAS, AND HE MOVED BACK TO TEXAS.

AND RATHER THAN GO BACK INTO BUSINESS, HE STARTED A MISSION IN CORPUS CHRISTI.

IT'S A NONPROFIT.

AND THAT MISSION IS TO HELP PEOPLE TRANSITION FROM HOMELESSNESS TO BEING PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY.

SO THEY COME IN, THEY HAVE A PROGRAM, AND THERE'S A CERTAIN AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, THEY LEAVE, READY TO GO BACK INTO SOCIETY.

I'VE ALWAYS LOVED THE PROGRAM.

HE'S DONE IT FOR 25 YEARS.

AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY PROUD OF HIM.

SO I ALWAYS SAY THAT BECAUSE I MY QUESTIONS ARE RELATED TO THAT EXPERIENCE.

I SEE IN THIS PLAN I SEE LONG TERM AND I GET A LITTLE NERVOUS.

ARE WE BUILDING A FACILITY WHERE AN ABUSED WOMAN COMES IN AND THAT'S HER HOME PERMANENTLY, OR DO WE HAVE A PROGRAM OF HELPING THEM AND AT SOME POINT TRANSITIONING THEM BACK INTO THEIR OWN SITUATION? YES, ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S OUR WHOLE HEART AND MISSION IS TO GIVE THEM A SAFE PLACE TO SORT OF RECOVER AND HEAL AND GIVE THEM THE TOOLS NEEDED TO FIND THEIR CONFIDENCE AGAIN AND BE ABLE TO GET A JOB AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

BUT ABSOLUTELY, IT'S FOR THE WHOLE MISSION IS FOR THEM TO BE OUT THE DOOR EVENTUALLY AND OUT THE DOOR EVENTUALLY.

AND THAT THAT WAS A BIG QUESTION.

SO THEN DEFINE LONG TERM.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS 3 TO 6 MONTHS.

SO TYPICALLY WHEN A WOMAN IS IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT RIGHT THEY HAVE TO FLEE.

IT'S A CRAZY SITUATION VIOLENT SITUATION.

THEY GO SOMEWHERE THAT'S VERY SHORT TERM.

CURRENTLY ALL I KNOW OF IS HOPEFUL HORIZONS, WHICH IS IN BLUFFTON LOCALLY.

AND THAT'S A VERY SHORT TERM PLACE, LITERALLY JUST BASICALLY A SHELTER OVER THEIR HEAD.

OUR HEART AND GOAL IS TO GIVE THEM THAT NEXT STEP.

SO OKAY, YOU'VE GOTTEN AWAY.

WE NOW HAVE A RESTRAINING ORDER IN PLACE AND YOU'RE SAFE.

BUT NOW WE NEED TO START REBUILDING YOUR LIFE.

AND SO 3 TO 6 MONTHS, I FEEL LIKE IT COULD BE FLUCTUATE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE DIFFERENT CASES.

BUT BY ALL MEANS, THE WHOLE MISSION IS TO HELP THEM MOVE ON.

GREAT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR, AND I APPLAUD YOU.

JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION.

SMALL QUESTION. WHAT? WHAT KIND OF CAPACITY ARE YOU TALKING? HOW MANY WOMEN CAN YOU HELP AT ANY ONE TIME? SO THE DRAWINGS THAT WE JUST GOT FROM OUR ARCHITECT HE HAS TAKEN FOUR LARGE CLASSROOMS. THEY'RE LIKE THE OLD SCHOOL CINDERBLOCK, BIG OLD CLASSROOMS AND ONE OFFICE THAT'S ON THE END.

AND HE HAS MADE IT INTO SIX BEDROOMS. AND SO OUR KIND OF THE WAY WE SEE IT IS FOR THOSE BEDROOMS. THEY HAVE A THEY ALL SORRY.

THEY ALL HAVE BATHROOMS AND THEY ALL HAVE A LITTLE KITCHENETTE IN THEM AS WELL.

BUT OUR HEART IS THAT THEY COULD SORT OF FLUCTUATE BASED ON THE NEEDS.

SO IF WE HAVE TWO SINGLE WOMEN, THEY COULD POSSIBLY SHARE A SPACE.

IF WE HAVE A WOMAN WITH 2 OR 3 CHILDREN, THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN SPACE.

SO THE NUMBER COULD FLUCTUATE.

BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT SIX BEDROOMS. OKAY. THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD IS WILL YOU ACCOMMODATE CHILDREN? YES. WITH WITH THE MOTHER.

YES. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE DETAIL KIND OF THINGS WITH THE PROGRAM ARE OBVIOUSLY STILL IN THE WORKS, BUT WE RECOGNIZE THAT IF WE DON'T

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PUT A LIMIT ON AGE OF CHILDREN, IT COULD PROPOSE A RISK TO THE WOMEN.

MEANING IF A WOMAN COMES IN AND SHE HAS A 17 OR 18 YEAR OLD SON, HOW DOES THAT WORK INTO THE SAFETY OF WOMEN'S SHELTER? SO THESE ARE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS A BOARD AND WORKING THROUGH AS WE GO KIND OF THING.

AGAIN, I CLAPPED.

I CAN CLAP ALL NIGHT.

THIS IS A WONDERFUL BUSINESS PLAN AND I APPLAUD YOU AND ERIC FOR PASTOR ERIC FOR THINKING OF THIS AS A GREAT, GREAT SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AT THIS THIS TIME, CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION.

SURE. YOU CERTAINLY MAY, MR. MAYOR. SECURITY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH SOME DIFFICULT SITUATIONS THERE.

DO YOU HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE FOR.

WE ABSOLUTELY DO.

I'M GLAD YOU ASKED.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THAT IS OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.

AND OBVIOUSLY AS A CHURCH, WE HAVE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS OPERATING AS ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL.

SO THAT WAS REALLY THE FIRST THING WE VISITED WHEN TALKING ABOUT THIS.

WELL, HOW COULD WE MAKE THIS SECURE? SO AS THE BOARD OF THE SAFE HOUSE, WE HAVE ALREADY BEGAN TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE WILL IMPLEMENT THINGS LIKE 20.

THERE WILL BE STAFFING 24/7.

WE HAVE A SCHEDULED SECURITY WITH A PALMETTO SECURITY SYSTEMS. THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT, ASSESS THE PROPERTY, ALL OF THAT.

ALSO, THE BUILDER IS GOING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION SAFETY.

SO AS FAR AS BUILDING MATERIALS, THAT KIND OF THING.

AND THE ARCHITECT HAS DRAWN IT UP TO WHERE ACCESS TO THAT BUILDING WOULD BE VERY LIMITED, LIKE IN ONE DOOR, OUT ONE DOOR.

AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A KEY, LIKE A, ALMOST LIKE A HOTEL, LIKE A CARD OR SOMETHING.

WE ALREADY HAVE SECURITY ON THE PROPERTY AS FAR AS, LIKE VIDEO CAMERAS, THAT KIND OF THING.

BUT I ASSURE YOU, SECURITY IS THE NUMBER ONE BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE FOR US.

WE'RE DEFINITELY THINKING THROUGH THAT.

OKAY, COORDINATION WITH THE HARDEEVILLE PD AND JASPER COUNTY PD IS GOING TO BE PARAMOUNT.

YES. AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE WANT TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, BECAUSE CURRENTLY WHEN WE HAVE TO CALL LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE'RE CALLING THE COUNTY.

AND SO IT TAKES 20 MINUTES SOMETIMES, WHEREAS IF WE'RE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, WE'RE TWO MINUTES AWAY FROM YOU, YOU KNOW? SO IT JUST MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE IN SO MANY WAYS.

THANK YOU. MAY I ASK A QUESTION, MR. MAYOR? CERTAINLY. MAY.

ANOTHER QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS ONCE WE HAVE THE FOLKS THERE, THEY'RE SAFE.

ARE YOU INTERACTING WITH OTHER AGENCIES THAT HAVE SOCIAL SERVICES OR EDUCATIONAL SERVICES OR HELPING WITH RESUMES SO THAT THERE'S OTHER FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDING SKILLS THAT MAYBE THE CHURCH DOESN'T HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WILL HELP GET TO THE END GOAL THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

WE'RE WE'RE BEGINNING CURRENTLY OR IN THE PROCESS, I SHOULD SAY, OF BUILDING SORT OF A DATABASE OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AND FIGURING OUT WHAT RESOURCES IN BEAUFORT AND JASPER COUNTY WE HAVE ACCESS TO SORT OF MAKING A MASTER LIST, IF YOU WILL, OF LIKE WHO WE COULD PLUG IN AND WHAT DIFFERENT AREAS.

BUT YES, WE TOTALLY SEE THIS AS A COMMUNITY, GOTCHA, TYPE OF THING WHERE WE JUST SORT OF WANT TO LINK ALL THESE CONNECTIONS FOR THESE WOMEN.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE? NO, SIR. OKAY.

AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OFFER THE PUBLIC TO COME UP AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY COMMENTS.

SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.

[PUBLIC HEARING]

THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE 2024-3-7A.

MR. MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ON FIRST READING ORDINANCE 2024-3-7A.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE.

CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. OKAY, WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS FOR THE SECOND READING.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

NEXT WE HAVE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, TO AMEND THE ZONING FOR PARCEL

[B. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO AMEND THE ZOING FOR PARCEL 040-14-02-001 CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY +/- 13.227 ACRES FROM RESIDENTIAL (R) IN UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL 1 (SFR1) IN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE AND AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE. (2024-3-7B)]

040-14-02-001 CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 13.2 ACRES.

THIS IS THE SAME PROJECT.

WE'RE JUST THIS IS CHANGING THE ZONING, RIGHT FROM RESIDENTIAL AND UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE.

THIS IS FIRST READING OF 2024-3-7B.

MR. CARROLL, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

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NO, SIR. MR. WHITE. NO. EXCUSE ME.

NO QUESTIONS.

MRS. GUZMAN. NO, SIR.

MR. MEERSMAN NO QUESTIONS.

OKAY. YES.

WE I THINK WE VETTED THAT IN THE FIRST ORDINANCE, SO I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC NYAONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT

[PUBLIC HEARING]

OR ASK ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.

I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO.

THIS IS ORDINANCE 2024-3-7B.

MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2024-3-7B.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. OKAY.

NEXT WE HAVE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, TO ADOPT A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT SUBMITTAL FOR THE TRACT OF LAND CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY

[C. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO ADOPT A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT SUBMITTAL FOR A TRACT OF LAND CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY +/- 30.1 ACRES, KNOWN GENERALLY AS ARGENT 2 PARCEL F LOCATED F TO INCLUDE PARCELS 080-00-03-116 & 067-00-02-007 LOCATED ON ARGENT BOULEVARD IN THE ARGENT 2 PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE TO INDICATE THAT PORTION SUBJECT TO THE MASTER PLAN. (2024-3-7C)]

30 ACRES, KNOWN GENERALLY AS ARGENT, 2 PARCEL F TO INCLUDE PARCELS 080-00-03 -116 AND 007, LOCATED ON ARGENT BOULEVARD IN THE ARGENT TWO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE.

THIS IS ORDINANCE 2024-3-7C.

LET'S START WITH MR. [INAUDIBLE]. OH, THIS IS MR. CZYMBOR, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CZYMBOR. THANK YOU.

I'M READING. I'M LOOKING DOWN.

I YOU KNOW, I CAN'T DEVIATE FROM WHAT IT TELLS ME.

TAKE IT AWAY STEVE CZYMBOR.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU SIR.

SO I THINK THE COUNCIL RECALLS THIS WAS APPROVED IN LAST YEAR AROUND APRIL.

THIS IS PULTE WAS INVOLVED.

AND THE COUNCIL, I THINK, RECALLS IT WAS QUITE, WE'LL SAY, CONTROVERSIAL A LOT OF QUESTIONS, CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND PARKING AND HEAVY TRUCKS AND VISIBILITY AND A NUMBER OF ISSUES.

THIS IS A DOWN ZONING.

SO OBVIOUSLY LESS INTENSE, LESS TRUCK TRAFFIC, LESS VISITORS TO THE SITE.

SO THEY THEY PROPOSED A NEW SITE PLAN WHICH IS WENT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND MISS WOODRUFF CAN TAKE IT AWAY.

BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE AMENDMENT, AND THEN I WILL HAND IT OVER TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO FILL IN ANY DETAILS.

BUT THIS IS OFF OF ARGENT BOULEVARD ADJACENT TO SUN CITY.

IT'S FOR AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT.

SO 30.1 ACRES THE ARGENT 2 PD WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2007.

THIS INITIAL MASTER PLAN AGAIN APPROVED IN APRIL OF 23 AND IT INCLUDED OFFICE, STORAGE FACILITY, STORAGE AREA AND STORAGE AREA FOR BUILDING MATERIALS AT THAT TIME. PARCELS RIGHT HERE, IT IS ADJACENT TO SUN CITY ON ARGENT BOULEVARD.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S WOODED, UNDISTURBED.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED NEW MASTER PLAN, WHICH THE ACCESS POINT IS THE SAME AS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED.

AND JUST SOME OF THE GENERAL USES HAVE CHANGED.

SO THIS AMENDMENT INCLUDES CONSOLIDATION OF THE STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEM INTO A SINGLE SYSTEM WITH ONE WET DETENTION POND, REMOVING THE PREVIOUSLY PLANNED ICG SERVICE CENTER OFFICE AND ASSOCIATED OUTSIDE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS FOR BUILDING MATERIALS, REPLACING THE ICG SERVICE CENTER PROJECT WITH AN EXPANSION OF THE CITADEL ARGENT PLAN TO INCLUDE APPROXIMATELY 14,000FT² OF FLEX TENANT SPACE AND APPROXIMATELY 45,700FT² OF GARAGE CONDOMINIUM SPACE, ADD APPROXIMATELY 7/10 OF AN ACRE OF GRAVEL OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA, REDUCE THE OFFICE RETAIL COMPONENT ON THE CITADEL ARGENT SITE BY APPROXIMATELY 3,640FT², AND INCREASE THE MINI WAREHOUSE USE FROM 85,000FT² TO 93,000FT², SO THE DEVELOPMENT WILL CONSIST OF TWO TRACKS.

TRACK F1 WILL INCLUDE 19.7 ACRES, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE MIX OF SOME FLEX BUILDING SPACE OFFICE SPACE AND WAREHOUSE SPACE WITH GARAGE CONDOMINIUM SPACE.

AND I WILL ASK THE APPLICANT TO EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WHEN THEY GET UP HERE, BECAUSE I THINK THEY DO A BETTER JOB THAN I DO WITH THAT.

AND THEN F2 WILL TOTAL 10.4 ACRES AND WILL INCLUDE RETAIL SPACE, OFFICE SPACE, AND MANY WAREHOUSE STORAGE SPACE.

THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

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AND THE PROPOSED AGAIN, IT DOES PROVIDE THAT ONE ACCESS POINT ON ARGENT BOULEVARD.

THE EXCEPTION TO THE CHANGE IS THIS REMOVES THE PREVIOUS NEED FOR TRACTOR TRAILER ACCESS.

SO IT WILL BE DESIGNED AS SUCH THAT IT WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THOSE TRACTOR TRAILERS THAT WERE THE CONCERN FROM BEFORE.

THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN DOES PROVIDE A MINIMUM 50 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PROJECT AREA.

BUT IT DOES EXCEED IT IN MOST AREAS BECAUSE OF THE WETLANDS THAT EXIST ON THE SITE.

AND THERE IS A 51.2% PROPOSED OPEN SPACE, WHICH EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM.

THIS DID GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL AS PROPOSED.

AND THIS TIME, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT? AND THE ENGINEER WAS UNABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT, UNFORTUNATELY.

SO HE IS AVAILABLE THROUGH VIRTUALLY.

SO WE DO HAVE THAT AS WELL.

GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.

GOOD EVENING. AS SHE MENTIONED, TRIPP IS ILL AND DID NOT WANT TO GET ANYBODY ELSE SICK TONIGHT, SO HE DECIDED TO STAY HOME.

AND WE'LL BE ON JOINING US ON VIDEO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THINGS THAT I CAN'T ANSWER ON THAT END.

OKAY. SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR AFFILIATION FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

TYLER BURRIS AND I AM THE MANAGER OF THE CITADEL STORAGE.

SO ESSENTIALLY IF YOU RECALL, THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN HAD INVOLVED ICG, AS SHE MENTIONED WHICH HAD THE OFFICE SPACE AS WELL AS THE LAYDOWN AREA FOR THE BUILDING MATERIALS.

AND THAT HAS BEEN AMENDED NOW TO, AS SHE MENTIONED, SOME MORE OFFICE SPACE IN THE FRONT THERE.

WITH WHAT WE ARE ALSO CALLING GARAGE CONDOMINIUMS. ESSENTIALLY THIS IS RECREATIONAL STORAGE, SO IT COULD BE RVS, BOATS VEHICLES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

WHICH IS KIND OF IN THAT BACK AREA WHERE THE LAYDOWN ESSENTIALLY WAS FOR ICG ORIGINALLY.

ANY QUESTIONS? I GUESS I DON'T.

WHY DON'T WE? WE'LL GO TO QUESTIONS AND IF THERE'S ANY CLARIFICATION AT THAT POINT, WE'LL NEED.

I THINK WE'RE STARTING WITH MR. MEERSMAN THIS TIME.

YES. THANK YOU SIR.

JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.

FIRST OFF, IS IS THE ELIMINATION OF THE TURN LANE, I THINK THAT IS STILL NECESSARY EVEN THOUGH WE WON'T HAVE BIG TRUCKS COMING INTO THAT, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

YOUR GARAGE CONDOMINIUMS, IS THIS THE SAME CONCEPT THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED IN BLUFFTON? TYPE. THE I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT.

THE CAR VILLAGE USA.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE. YES, I THINK SO, YES.

SIMILAR, BUT NOT QUITE THE SAME.

I THINK THEY HAVE PLANNED TO DO LIKE A HUGE AMENITY CENTER OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE SO STORAGE JUST LARGE STORAGE FOR, LIKE I SAID, VEHICLES, RECREATIONAL VEHICLES.

INSIDE STORAGE? CORRECT.

YES, INSIDE AND JUST STORAGE.

IT'S NOT. WILL THESE BE RENTED? WILL THESE BE SOLD? WHAT? THESE ARE GOING TO BE SOLD.

THESE ARE GOING TO BE SOLD? YES, I KNOW THE ONE IN BLUFFTON.

THEY'RE STARTING AT A LITTLE OVER HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR THOSE FACILITIES.

AND YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE GUY PUTTING HIS CAMPER IN THOSE TYPES OF BUILDINGS, RIGHT? NOT FOR THAT KIND OF THAT KIND OF MONEY.

HAVE YOU EVER HAD A STUDY ON THE AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT THESE HOW MANY? AT 47,500 SQUARE FOOT.

HOW MANY UNITS WILL YOU HAVE IN THERE? WHAT'S YOUR ESTIMATE? THE ESTIMATE, I BELIEVE, IS SOMEWHERE IN THE 30 TO 40 RANGE.

I COULD BE WRONG ON THAT. AND MAYBE TRIPP COULD ATTEST TO THAT IF HE'S ON HERE WITH US NOW.

BUT YOU KNOW, I YEAH, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY IN THE 3040 RANGE IS KIND OF WHAT.

AND EACH ONE OF THOSE UNITS WILL ACCOMMODATE HOW MANY VEHICLES? PROBABLY 2 TO 3.

THEY COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM LIKE 1,500 TO 2,000FT², APPROXIMATELY.

OKAY. SO THE POSSIBILITY OF 90 VEHICLES ACCESSING THAT WHEN YOU SAY CAMPERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT'S NOT A 40 FOOT SEMI, BUT IT STILL HAS A LITTLE WIDER TURNING RADIUS.

AND THAT'S WAS MY CONCERN ABOUT THE ENTRANCE IN THERE.

CERTAINLY. I KNOW CITADEL BUILDS AN EXCELLENT PRODUCT.

THANK YOU. AND I YOU KNOW, I ANTICIPATE THIS TO BE I JUST LIKED SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT ACCESS BECAUSE WE KNOW ARGENT BOULEVARD IS A PROBLEM CURRENTLY. WE DON'T WANT TO ADD EVEN MORE TO IT.

YOU'RE INCREASING YOUR RETAIL SPACE IN THAT AREA.

YOUR TRAFFIC.

YES. IT WON'T BE AS BIG, BUT A LOT MORE.

AND SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT THE TURN LANES LEFT INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

OKAY. BEFORE I NEGLECTED TO DO SOMETHING, BUT SO I'M GOING TO STEP IN BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO MRS.

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GUZMAN. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME RECOMMENDATIONS PRIOR TO TONIGHT THAT THIS HAVE A WORKSHOP BEFORE WE COME TO FIRST READING.

THE CITY COUNCIL DOES HAVE A POLICY WHERE IF SOMETHING COMES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE DEEM IT THAT IT'S GOING TO NEED SOME SOME SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS, EXTRA MEETINGS, PERHAPS MORE PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC WANT TO COME IN, OR IF IT'S GOING TO BE CONTROVERSIAL IN ANY WAY THAT WE HAVE A WORKSHOP.

SO WE'RE NOT UNDER THE UNDER THE PRESSURE OF MAKING A DECISION.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING TO COUNCIL IS THIS WE DID NOT WE AND I'M GOING TO SAY MIKE AND I, WHO GO OVER THE AGENDA IN ADVANCE, DID NOT FEEL THAT THIS HAD, YOU KNOW, A SPECIAL ANGST.

BUT I DID SAY TO A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUPPORT WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING TO COUNCIL IS THIS TONIGHT SHOULD SERVE AS OUR WORKSHOP AND GETTING OUT ALL THE QUESTIONS. AND IF AT THE END OF THIS CONSIDERATION, IF YOU STILL FEEL THAT YOU WANT TO GO HOME AND THINK ABOUT IT, WE CAN TABLE IT TO THE NEXT, THE FIRST READING TO THE NEXT.

SO I'M GIVING THAT LAYING THAT OPTION OUT FOR COUNCIL, IF YOU KNOW.

SO THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED AFTER YOU HEAR, AFTER YOU ASK ALL YOUR QUESTIONS AND YOU HEAR THE ANSWERS.

OKAY. JUST SO WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION IS, MRS. GUZMAN. YEAH, ACTUALLY SINCE EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED FROM BECAUSE I REMEMBER WE HAD A LOT OF CONTROVERSY WITH THE LAST DEVELOPER THAT WAS GOING TO GET BECAUSE WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT THE WRITINGS RIGHT OUT.

WE WERE WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE THAT WERE GETTING, TURNING, DOING THE RIGHT OUT WAS PROBABLY GOING TO ENCROACH UPON THE.

IS IT THE WESTBOUND LANE OF ARGENT BOULEVARD GOING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

AND WE WERE ALSO WORRIED ABOUT THE SUICIDE LANES, BECAUSE THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. CORRECT. IS THAT WHERE THIS.

SO AND YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE USED TO STORE BOATS.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT TO PUT THEIR BOATS IN THERE, THEIR CAMPERS AND STUFF.

SO OBVIOUSLY A BOAT IS NOT GOING TO DRIVE ITSELF OUT ONTO ARGENT BOULEVARD.

IT'S GOING TO BE HOOKED UP TO A TRAILER AND THEN GOING TO BE TAKEN OUT.

SO MY WORRY IS WHEN THAT VEHICLE, WHEN THAT BOAT IS HOOKED UP TO A TRAILER AND IS TAKING THAT RIGHT TURN OUT, AND WE ALL KNOW TRAILERS KIND OF SORT OF FISHTAIL SOMETIMES.

WHAT'S THE MITIGATION FACTOR OVER THERE DOING THAT RIGHT TURN OUT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH AN RV, IF YOU HAVE AN EXTENDED RV, THAT'S THEY'RE GOING TO NEED A WIDER TURNING RADIUS, BECAUSE I WAS READING THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS THING AND THEY DID TALK ABOUT YOU KNOW, MR. TRIPP STATED THAT THE WIDTH OF THE COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAYS CANNOT BE LESS THAN 30 OR 40FT.

AND I'M ASSUMING THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE THROAT OF THE DRIVEWAY.

CORRECT? I ASSUME THAT'S CORRECT, YES.

YEAH. SO THAT TO ME IS, IS A CONCERN.

AND ALSO THE FACT THAT WHEN WE APPROVED THIS, THIS PROJECT THE LAST TIME WE ASKED FOR A CONTROLLED STOP AT, AT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE IT HIT ARGENT BOULEVARD.

AND THAT IT SAID IN THE MINUTES THERE WOULD BE A STOPPED CONTROL SIDE STREET AND A 90 DEGREE ALIGNED INTERSECTING ROAD, AND EXISTING STREET INTERSECTION IS THE SAFEST ALTERNATIVE AND DESIGN.

SO I'M ASSUMING, SINCE MR. TRIPP HIMSELF SAID THAT WHETHER WHAT HE SAID HERE IS GOING TO BE MIRRORED OVER THERE.

I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S CORRECT.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TRIPP ON VIDEO.

I THINK HE WAS TRYING TO DIAL IN.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAD ISSUES.

OKAY, PERFECT.

THE VOICE FROM THE WALL, RIGHT.

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MISS? MISS? YES. MRS. GUZMAN? YES.

ALL RIGHT. SO I CAN SEE ON THE MAP THAT'S UP THERE, THE DRAWINGS UP THERE THAT COMING IN TO COMING IN TO DO THE RIGHT TURN INTO THE THING THAT I SEE A LIKE A TURN LANE, A RIGHT TURN LANE IN THERE.

IS THAT STILL GOING TO REMAIN? THAT IS STILL GOING TO REMAIN.

SO AND THEN WHEN THE YOUNG MAN OVER HERE SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE BOATS AND RVS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, MY MIND AUTOMATICALLY WENT TO, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO SAFELY TURN IN RIGHT. AND THEN SAFELY TURN OUT RIGHT WHEN YOU HAVE A BOAT ATTACHED TO A TRAILER OR A LONG WHEELBASE RV TRYING TO TAKE THE RIGHT TURN TO GO THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION TO GET OUT OF THERE.

SO BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF YOUR STATEMENTS THAT SAID THAT THE WIDTH OF THE COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAYS CANNOT BE LESS THAN 30 OR 40FT, AND I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE STILL GOING TO KEEP IT AT THAT.

OKAY. AND MY OTHER QUESTION WAS WHEN WE TALKED TO MR. PULTE THERE WAS A THERE WAS A REQUEST THAT WAS MADE TO PREVENT ALL OF THIS, PEOPLE BREAKING THE LAWS AND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO.

HEY, THERE'S NO POLICEMAN ON HERE.

I'M GOING TO DO A QUICK LEFT OVER HERE KIND OF THING.

AND WE AND I BELIEVE IT WAS THE MAYOR THAT SUGGESTED A SIDE AGREEMENT TO BE MADE WITH PULTE REGARDING A $10,000 PAYMENT TOWARDS A CAMERA SYSTEM THAT WILL WATCH THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

IS THAT STILL BEING HONORED? DID THEY PAY THAT? OKAY, OKAY.

SO FOR RIGHT NOW, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

THANK YOU. JUST JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THAT, MRS. GUZMAN WE WE ARE PLANNING TO TARGET MORE LIKE CAR PEOPLE.

SO WE, I THINK THERE WILL BE LESS BOATS AND RVS THAN.

THAT'S JUST KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, EXAMPLE OF WHAT COULD BE IN THERE.

BUT I THINK THE TARGET MARKET WOULD BE LIKE CLASSIC CARS, PEOPLE WITH NICE, YOU KNOW, NICE VEHICLES THAT THEY'RE STORING KIND OF LONG TERM.

YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD COME IN AND OUT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THEY PROBABLY BE THERE MORE OFTEN THAN THEY WOULDN'T.

OKAY. SO IN YOUR OPINION, I MEAN, IS THAT GOING TO BE LIKE CONSTANT TRAFFIC IN THERE OR EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE OVER THE WEEKEND, SOMEONE'S GOING TO COME AND GET THEIR CAR FOR A DRIVE? YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE THE LATTER.

OKAY. YEAH. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME. AND I THINK DURING HURRICANES THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DRIVE THEIR BOAT OUT.

YEAH WE'LL NEED A TRAILER FOR THAT ONE.

MR. WHITE, I JUST HAD A GENERAL QUESTION.

AND IT'S TO YOU HARRY AND MIKE, AND NORMALLY YOU SAID WE WE DO THE WORKSHOP.

THIS IS THE WORKSHOP HERE.

DO YOU FEEL WE'VE HAD ADEQUATE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THIS? BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THAT SO OFTEN.

AND I'M NOT ASKING AS IF YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING WRONG.

I'M ASKING FOR YOUR THOUGHT BEHIND THAT.

AND WILL THAT COME BACK TO, IN A SENSE, BITE US DOWN THE ROAD, OR DO YOU FEEL CONFIDENT WE'VE HAD ENOUGH INPUT AND THAT IT'S A CARRY OVER AND YOU'VE ALREADY HAD THAT INPUT AND YOU'VE MADE THE ADJUSTMENTS? YEAH. SO BO, I PROPOSE THE AGENDA SENT TO THE MAYOR.

WE DISCUSS ITEMS, EACH ITEM.

SURE. AND SPECIFICALLY IF WE BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, ENHANCED PUBLIC INTEREST AND, OR YOU KNOW, COULD ARE THERE EXTENUATING

[02:10:09]

CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT? AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THEN THEN WE, YOU KNOW, SUGGEST A WORKSHOP INSTEAD OF GOING TO FIRST READING.

IN THIS CASE, AS I STATED WHEN WE INTRODUCED THE ITEM, I MEAN, IN MY POSITION, THIS IS A DOWN ZONING, LESS INTENSIVE USE, LESS TRAFFIC, LESS TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT THE THINGS THE THAT PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, ESPECIALLY THE COUNCIL AND OTHERS.

I THINK THAT THAT'S BEEN ELIMINATED OR LESS THAN THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S THAT'S HOW I'M HEARING IT.

ALL PLUSES. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS AND THE FACT IS THE MAYOR AND I TALKED ABOUT IS IF THE COUNCIL AFTER DISCUSSION WASN'T COMFORTABLE, NEEDED MORE INFORMATION, YOU COULD HAVE TABLED IT AND SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE FIRST READING.

WE'VE GOT QUESTIONS, CONCERNS COME BACK.

SO AS THE MAYOR SAID, THIS WOULD BE THE WORKSHOP, HAVING FIRST READING AT A AT A LATER DATE, I UNDERSTAND IN MY POSITION I AGAIN, I I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED AND I THINK, I THINK THE COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER IT.

AND IT'S UP TO YOU TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH ADOPTING IT FIRST READING.

NO, I GET THE THOROUGHNESS AND I ALSO GET THAT YOU'VE YOU'VE REDUCED THE OBJECTIONS.

AND THAT'S WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.

AND THANK YOU MIKE.

THE ISSUE, IS BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY OF THE DECISION.

WE DIDN'T WE DON'T WANT TO BE FORCED TO HEAR A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION AND THEN HAVE TO, FIVE MINUTES LATER, MAKE A DECISION, MAKE SENSE? OKAY, IF AND THAT'S WHY I TRY TO SAY BEFORE, IF IF WE FEEL AFTER HEARING ALL THIS THAT YOU NEED TIME TO THINK OF IT, THEN WE TABLE IT.

AND THIS WOULD SERVE AS THE WORKSHOP.

GOTCHA. SO NOW YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION.

AND WE TRUST THE THOROUGHNESS AND YOUR.

SO THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU.

MR. CARROLL. I TOO HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE ENTRANCE BECAUSE AND WE DID ANOTHER THING TO MIKE'S POINT A WHILE AGO. NOT ONLY IS THIS DOWNSIZING WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, BUT WE HAD A, A LONG DISCUSSION LAST TIME ON THIS TOPIC, AND, AND THE TOPIC'S BEEN WATERED DOWN, SO I FEEL CONFIDENT, YOU KNOW, IN MAKING A DECISION.

BUT I TOO WAS CONCERNED, AS VAL AND STEVE POINTED OUT ABOUT THE THE ENTRANCE AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT AND BEAT BEAT THAT PRETTY MUCH LAST TIME. AND THEN THE TRAILERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, AND I THINK YOU ALL HAVE ANSWERED THAT PRETTY GOOD.

AND THEN I VAL BROUGHT UP A POINT THAT WE HAD MADE ABOUT THAT CAMERA SYSTEM BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE IF THEY THINK THEY CAN GET BY WITH IT.

AND MIKE SAYS YOU'VE ALREADY DEPOSITED THE $10,000 OR WHATEVER.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD FAITH EFFORT THAT Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO YOU KNOW, DO THE RIGHT THING.

SO THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, MR. MAYOR I DO HAVE ONE MORE.

NOT YET. OKAY.

WE'LL JUST GO AND GO IN ORDER.

OKAY. THE.

I'M LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT AND MITIGATION.

I GUESS THIS IS FOR STAFF, AND I JUST WANT TO, FOR THE RECORD, MAKE SURE THE THE SITE WILL, I T SAYS ON PAGE 13, THE SITE WILL BE REQUIRED TO MAKE RIGHT HAND TURNS ONLY.

IS THAT STILL CORRECT? PAGE 13, UNDER SECTION SEVEN TRAFFIC MITIGATION.

TRAFFIC IMPACT AND MITIGATION.

I'M SORRY. AND ALSO SAYS LEFT HAND TURNS FOR TRACK.

TRACK CHOSEN SOMETIMES WILL NOT BE PERMITTED.

SECTION, SECTION 7, PAGE 13.

YEAH. SO YEAH, THEY WILL HAVE TO ABIDE.

STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE WILL CONFIRM DURING THE SITE DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME.

AND THAT'S STILL IN PLACE.

AND I GUESS I'M REITERATING WHAT MRS. GUZMAN ASKED.

YES YOU ARE. AND THE ONLY THINGS THAT WERE ADDED TO THIS ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED TEXT.

YEAH. FOR YOU.

SO. YES. YEAH.

AND AND THAT THAT RED IN THIS SECTION REFERS TO THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY

[02:15:04]

THAT NUMBERS OF CARS AND TRUCKS AND THAT PEAK GENERATION WENT DOWN WITH THIS USE.

THERE'S THERE'S ONE THING ON THAT SAME PARAGRAPH THAT THAT TROUBLES ME, AND PARTICULARLY ABOUT ARGENT BOULEVARD.

WE'VE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE COME IN HERE THAT AT THE RATE WE'RE GOING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT EVERY TEN FEET.

AND WE KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

IT SAYS HERE UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL OR EQUIVALENT IMPROVEMENT IS PROVIDED WITH WHAT WE KNOW GOING ON ON, ON ARGENT BOULEVARD TO WRITE IN HERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE.

I YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON THE FACT THAT SOMEDAY THERE'S GOING TO BE A LIGHT THERE, BECAUSE IF WE DID THAT, WE'D HAVE LIGHTS EVERY QUARTER OF A MILE ON ARGENT BOULEVARD.

EVERYBODY WHO COMES HERE SAYS, WELL, OH, WE'LL PUT A LIGHT THERE.

IT'LL BE FINE.

I, I DON'T THINK THAT AND I THINK WE ASKED MR. DAVIS TO LOOK INTO WHAT'S ALLOWED.

I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD ANTICIPATE WHETHER IT HAPPENS OR IT DOESN'T.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD WRITE INTO THIS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ANTICIPATE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT I DON'T THINK IT'S REALISTIC.

AND IT MAY BE A MINOR POINT THAT IT'S IT'S NOT.

WE CAN WE CAN UPDATE THAT TEXT TO THAT SECTION.

BUT IT WILL DOT AS PART OF THEIR PROCESS WILL REQUIRE WHATEVER'S FOUND IN THE TRAFFIC.

OKAY. IF THEY REQUIRE THAT LANGUAGE, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY ,THAT'S WHERE THAT, I'M NOT FAR BE IT FROM ME TO OVERTURN DOT.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

YEAH. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT DOT REQUIRES IN THEIR LANGUAGE.

OKAY. TWO OTHER POINTS QUICKLY.

I DRIVE A SEDAN, AND A LOT OF TIMES I GO TO PARKING LOTS.

I FEEL LIKE I'M GOING TO GET RUN OVER BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S GOT A VERY LARGE VEHICLE IN THIS STATE.

THE PARK, HAVE WE MADE AN ADJUSTMENT FOR TODAY'S VEHICLES AND THE SIZE OF THESE PARKING SPACES AND WHAT'S REQUIRED? THESE ARE NOT THE SAME REQUIREMENTS WE HAD 20 YEARS AGO I GUESS WHERE I'M GETTING.

RIGHT. YEAH. SO EVERY THE WAY STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE HANDLES IT IS EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES IN, WE REVIEW BASED ON THE ACTUAL USERS.

AND SO IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS WHERE WE HAVE KNOWN OTHER LOCATIONS AND WE CAN TAKE DATA FROM THOSE, WE CAN REQUIRE LIKE A MIX OF SIZES AND SPACES. THROUGH THAT REVIEW PROCESS THEY HAVE TO JUSTIFY HOW MANY SPACES WHETHER THEY'RE ABOVE MEETING OR BELOW AND THEN THE SIZES OF THOSE SPACES.

SO WE ALWAYS KIND OF LOOK AT THAT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

EVEN THOUGH WE DO HAVE SET STANDARDS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THEY, THEY AREN'T A ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

WE FOUND THAT. BECAUSE IN THIS KIND OF THING AND THERE'S A RETAIL ELEMENT HERE.

SO LET'S SAY IN MRS. GUZMAN THEY DROP OFF HER BOAT AND NOW THEY HAVE THIS PICKUP TRUCK, AND NOW HE'S GOING TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE, THE WHATEVER STORE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE. AND HE'S STILL GOT THIS BIG, THIS BIG PICKUP TRUCK, BUT NOW IT'S A DIFFERENT USAGE.

SO WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT THESE SPOTS REFLECT THE SIZE OF THE VEHICLES OF OF MODERN DRIVING.

ABSOLUTELY. WE WILL WE WILL ASK THEM FOR INFORMATION FROM THEIR OTHER LOCATIONS WITH THE SAME TYPE OF USES.

AND IF IF WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WHAT THEY'VE PROVIDED IS ADEQUATE, STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS THE RIGHT TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL.

OKAY. ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER QUESTION.

AND I THINK IT'S IN HERE IN THE INTERIOR ROADS, BUT I WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT.

WHERE'S THE RETAIL PROPOSED? OKAY. SO I BELIEVE THE RETAIL WOULD BE AT THE BUILDING HERE IN THIS SECTION.

OKAY, SO IF I, IF I LOOK AT THAT DRAWING PROPERTY PROPERLY, THERE'S ONE ENTRANCE IN AND THERE'S, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, FRONTAGE ROAD IN FRONT OF THE RETAIL AND THEN PARKING THERE.

RIGHT. CORRECT. SO OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WERE FRONTAGE ROAD FOR WHATEVER RETAIL SITE THAT'S THAT WAS THE QUESTION.

THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

[INAUDIBLE] THE AUTOMOBILE CONDOMINIUMS ARE KIND OF A SOMETHING NEW FOR THIS

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AREA. SURE. YOU'RE TALKING MOTOR HOMES, BOATS, CAMPERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

I HAVE A CONCERN AND CHIEF CAMP IT'S SOMETHING THAT TO BE AWARE OF.

MY 21FT BOAT HOLDS 75 GALLONS OF FUEL.

YOU START PUTTING A LOT OF FUEL AND THINGS IN THOSE BUILDINGS THERE.

WE'RE TAKING ON.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN YOUR NORMAL STORAGE UNIT.

HOW IS THAT PLANNED IN YOUR BUILDING OF THESE? I MEAN, IS THERE IS THERE ADDITIONAL ARE THERE REQUIREMENTS OR ANYTHING FOR ADDITIONAL SPRINKLERS AND THAT IT CHANGES FROM LIKE A RESIDENTIAL OR A GENERAL COMMERCIAL FOR ALL OF THAT? THAT'S ALL PLANNED INTO IT.

OKAY. OKAY.

THAT'S I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S ALL IN THERE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF VEHICLES WITH A LOT OF FUEL.

THAT COULD BE. BE A PROBLEM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION.

CERTAINLY. CERTAINLY.

SO MY QUESTION RIGHT NOW IS, ARE ANY OF THOSE VEHICLES GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO CHANGE THEIR OIL AND STUFF ON THAT SITE? NO, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF AS OF NOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY LIKE LIFTS OR CAR, YOU KNOW, SERVICE STATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH. THE ONLY REASON I ASKED WAS BECAUSE THOSE ARE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OIL OR GASOLINE SPILL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE YOU KNOW, WITH IT BEING AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, IT'S ALL GOING TO END UP IN THAT LAGOON THERE, WHICH IS EVENTUALLY GOING TO EMPTY OUT SOMEPLACE ELSE. AND, YOU KNOW, THE IT'S TO ME, IT'S LIKE, WOULD THAT BE A POTENTIAL EPA ISSUE WITH CONTAMINATION OVER THERE? AND THEN, LIKE STEVE SAID, A POTENTIAL FOR A FIRE.

AND SO THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY IN AND THE SAME WAY OUT, STEVE, IS THAT CHIEF, IS THAT OKAY FOR THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT FOR FIRE AND RESCUE? ONE IN, ONE OUT? WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK. BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY.

A WHILE AGO. THANK YOU.

YEAH, I BROUGHT THAT UP.

OKAY. IT'S JUST WITH THE.

WITH THE USES AND IF IT HAS THE ADDITIONAL SPRINKLER SYSTEMS AND THE ADDITIONAL FIRE BLOCKING, IT'LL HELP REDUCE THAT SO WE WON'T NEED AS MUCH FIRE RESPONSE ANYWAY, SO.

OKAY. IT SHOULD BE JUST FINE AS LONG AS THEY.

WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY FOLLOW THE CODES FOR THE STORING OF THE COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS, ESPECIALLY FLAMMABLE LIQUIDS, THAT THAT REALLY RAISES IT UP.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BLOCK, YOU KNOW, FIRE BLOCKING BETWEEN THE BUILDING, BETWEEN EACH OCCUPIABLE SPACE.

SO IF IT'S A, YOU KNOW, AN RV AND ONE AND A BOAT IN ANOTHER, THEY'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO BE A FIRE BLOCK.

OKAY. ADDITIONAL HYDRANTS ON THE PROPERTY.

ALSO THERE WILL ALWAYS BE HYDRANTS WITHIN 500FT OF ANYWHERE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU CHIEF. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO THAT.

THANK YOU. AND THE LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF THAT WHOLE SECTION.

SO I UNDERSTAND READING FROM THIS.

IT'S A 50 FOOT BUFFER FROM THE ROAD.

CORRECT. AND THE TREES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PLANT THERE, ARE YOU GOING TO CUT ANY OF THE TREES DOWN? IS IT GOING TO BE YOU'RE GOING TO CUT ANY OF THOSE TREES DOWN.

YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE ANY ONE OF THEM UP AND THEN PLANT OTHER BUSHES TO INCREASE THE OPACITY FROM THE STREET? I DON'T KNOW IF TRIPP MAYBE HAS A BETTER ANSWER ON THAT, BUT WE ALWAYS LANDSCAPE OUR PROPERTIES.

WELL, I IMAGINE WE'LL USE AS MUCH NATURAL STUFF AS WE CAN AND JUST REMOVE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED FOR THE ENTRANCE POINTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT IF TRIPP, HAS ANY INPUT ON THAT FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN.

BUT I IMAGINE THAT WE WOULD USE A LOT OF THE NATURAL STUFF AND TRY TO KEEP THAT AS MUCH.

AND YOU'RE CITADEL STORAGE COMPANY, CORRECT? YES. CORRECT. OKAY, SO WHEN I'M DRIVING 278 EASTBOUND TO THE ISLAND, YOU HAVE A STORAGE CENTER THERE, CORRECT? IF YOU'RE BIG ORANGE, IT'S RED, BUT A LITTLE SUNBURN.

YEAH. IT'S HIGHLY VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF TREES WERE PLANTED THERE TO PROVIDE THE OPACITY FROM THE ROAD.

BECAUSE IF YOU DRIVE DOWN TO THE ISLAND, YOU WILL SEE SOME OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE TREES MAINTAINED IN THOSE AREAS.

SO IT KIND OF PROVIDES SOME KIND OF OPACITY FROM THE ROAD AND MAINTAINS THAT LOW COUNTRY FEEL UP AND DOWN 278, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.

SO IF, IF WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW I DON'T KNOW, IT DOESN'T GIVE ME THE WARM FUZZIES ACTUALLY.

SO THAT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PDD THAT THAT ONE WAS BUILT.

OKAY. THIS IS WRITTEN DIFFERENTLY OKAY.

THIS IS IT ENCOURAGES THEM TO USE EXISTING VEGETATION OKAY.

HOWEVER, WHEN THAT EXISTING VEGETATION IS NOT ADEQUATE OR IS LIKE IF IT'S SCRAPPY LITTLE PINES OR SOMETHING, THEY MAY REMOVE IT AND REPLANT WITH BETTER MATERIALS. BUT THIS IS DESIGNED TO HAVE A MUCH BETTER BUFFER THAN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING.

OKAY, GOOD.

270 DEVELOPMENT IS VERY WELL BUFFERED FROM THE HIGHWAY.

I THINK THAT YOU'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB WITH THAT.

THE NEW ONE IS. YES.

YES, CORRECT. AND I IMAGINE THIS WILL BE MUCH LIKE THAT.

OKAY, GOOD.

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ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? NO. OKAY, THEN WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

DOES ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

[PUBLIC HEARING]

SEEING NONE.

AND I'LL REMIND THE COUNCIL IF ANYONE FEELS THEY NEED TIME TO CONSIDER WHAT THEY'VE HEARD TONIGHT.

YOU KNOW, THEN YOU DO HAVE AN OPTION IN THE MOTION TO TABLE IT TO A DATE SPECIFIC.

SO I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.

THIS IS FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE 2024-3-7C.

MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 2024-3-7C, WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

A CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. OKAY.

SECOND READING WILL BE IN TWO WEEKS TYLER.

THANK YOU COUNCIL APPRECIATE IT.

NEXT FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO AMEND CHAPTER 16 STREETS, SIDEWALKS, AND PUBLIC PLACES

[D. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO AMEND CHAPTER 16 “STREETS, SIDEWALKS AND PUBLIC PLACES” OF THE HARDEEVILLE CODE OF ORDINANCES, FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADDING RULES AND REGULATIONS ON CITY OWNED AND MAINTAINED PROPERTY AND RELATED MATTERS.]

OF THE HARDEEVILLE CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADDING RULES AND REGULATIONS ON CITY OWNED AND MAINTAINED PROPERTY AND RELATED MATTERS.

THIS IS 2024-3-7D MR. CZYMBOR PLEASE. YES.

MR. MAYOR, MISS MAINES IS GOING TO HANDLE THIS.

[(2024-3-7D)]

WE DO HAVE CHIEF WOODWARD AND CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER BARRETT HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE OR CHIME IN IF THEY NEED TO.

THE REASONS FOR THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO HARDEEVILLE CODE OF ORDINANCES, MISS MAINES.

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

WHAT THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE DOES IS IT CREATES A NEW SECTION TO ADD ON TO CHAPTER 16 AND GIVES FOR SOME RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING PARKS, PUBLIC STREETS AND PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY.

SO IT AUTHORIZES FOR THESE RULES TO BE POSTED.

AND IF THERE'S WHAT WHAT THE FINES AND FEES AND PENALTIES ARE FOR VIOLATION OF THOSE RULES.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

MR. CARROLL, WE'LL START WITH YOU THIS TIME.

WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A I GUESS IT WOULD BE A CONCERN LOOKING OVER THIS, BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY HAD A.

MAYBE WE CAN ENFORCE IT BETTER.

I KNOW SAM GETS INUNDATED AND WHATEVER, BUT IF YOU LOOK DOWN UNDER LET'S SEE UNDER SECTION D 1, AND THEN IT GOES DOWN TO C AND D PUBLIC STREETS.

IT SHOULD BE UNLAWFUL TO CAMP TO SLEEP, TO STORE PERSONAL PROPERTY, TO SIT OR TO LIE DOWN ON ANY PUBLIC STREET.

AND ACTUALLY KIND OF BLEEDS INTO E AND C UNLAWFUL TO CAMP OR TO STORE PERSONAL PROPERTY IN ANY PARK.

I'VE ALREADY BEEN HIT TWICE THIS WEEK ABOUT A HOMELESS PEOPLE.

AT ONE NOT ONLY TEXT ME, THEY SENT ME A PICTURE OF THE AREA.

THE ONLY EXCEPTION, I THINK THAT PARTICULAR PLACE WAS IN THE WOODS.

BUT THERE'S ONE PLACE UPTOWN ALMOST ACROSS FROM BUTLER STATION, AND THEY ACTUALLY ARE IN THE SIDEWALK RIGHT NOW AS OF YESTERDAY.

YEAH. AND SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF WE IF WE DO THIS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ENFORCE IT.

WELL, THE SO YOU DON'T THIS IS ALL BRAND NEW.

YOU DON'T HAVE THESE RULES.

SO IF YOU ADOPT THEM THEN IT GIVES THE CHIEF SOMETHING TO CITE PEOPLE.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS I THOUGHT, AND YOU KNOW MORE THAN I DO ABOUT THAT, THAT WE WOULD ALREADY WOULD HAVE HAD SOMETHING ABOUT LIKE SIDEWALKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT THERE IS A RULE REGARDING IMPEDING THE RIGHT OF WAYS.

BUT THIS JUST, THIS KIND OF CLARIFIES THOSE IT'S PUBLIC STREETS AND SIDEWALKS AND CITY PROPERTY, NOT JUST BECAUSE IF, IF YOU GO TO THE IMPEDING SIDEWALKS THAT ONLY APPLIES TO YOUR SIDEWALK.

SO IF SOMEONE MOVES OFF OF THE SIDEWALK, YOU CAN'T REGULATE THAT.

OKAY. THIS PUTS A LITTLE BIT MORE TEETH INTO IT.

I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE OKAY.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

YOU PROBABLY. I KNOW EXACTLY WHO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND WE DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.

HE IS RIGHT OFF THE SIDEWALK ITSELF.

THIS GUY IS NOT HOMELESS.

THIS GUY LIVES AT ACTUALLY ONE OF THE MOTELS.

HE COMES DOWN THERE EVERY DAY.

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EVERY DAY. OBVIOUSLY, HE SITS THERE AND HE READS BOOKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND NOW HE DOES HAVE SOME HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT COME AND SIT AROUND WITH HIM.

I ACTUALLY HAD A PHONE CALL TODAY ABOUT THAT SAME PERSON, ABOUT LITTERING AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S LIKE IT'S LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.

I DON'T SEE HIM THROW THE PAPER DOWN THERE.

I CAN'T CHARGE HIM WITH LITTERING.

RIGHT. SO AGAIN, IF IT'S A PERSON THAT'S SITTING WITH HIM THAT DOES IT, THEN HOW CAN I CHARGE HIM? SO THAT'S THAT'S THE PROBLEM YOU RUN INTO.

I WISH YOU WOULDN'T I WISH YOU WOULDN'T GO THERE.

BUT AGAIN, WITHOUT THE STATE SAYING IF THAT'S THE STATE RIGHT OF WAY, I DON'T HAVE NO JURISDICTION ABOUT THE STATE RIGHT OF WAY.

AND THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER. I HOPE SOME PEOPLE ARE LISTENING.

I HOPE SO TOO. IT'S NOT LIKE WE I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING.

AND I EXPLAINED THAT I ONLY CAN DO WHAT THE LAW SAYS I CAN DO, AND I EXPLAINED THAT.

AND BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND SAYING WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE WOODS, BECAUSE I'VE GOTTEN I ACTUALLY HAD A PICTURE SENT TO ME.

I GOT THE SAME PICTURES.

OKAY, EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? AND YES, SIR, WE ARE TAKING CARE OF THAT.

ACTUALLY, I SENT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND ALONG WITH OUR OUT THERE TO TALK WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS, AND HOPEFULLY THEY'RE THEY'RE ON THE MOVE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. WHITE, I THINK JOHN TOUCHED ON THE CRITICAL THING, AND THAT IS THAT THE POTENTIAL ENFORCEMENT AND FOLLOW UP AND AND SOMETIMES THOSE ENFORCEMENTS LEAD TO SOME SITUATIONS THAT BECOME A LOT WORSE THAN WHAT WE WOULD HAVE IMAGINED AND CREATES SURF DANGER ISSUES, SAFETY ISSUES, PARTICULARLY FOR YOUR OFFICERS.

AND SO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING THE RESOURCES TO ADEQUATELY MONITOR THAT, I ASSUME, CHIEF? YES, SIR. WE DO.

AND BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING JUST LIKE THIS RIGHT HERE, THIS ORDINANCE, IF WE CAN GET IT PASSED, IT GIVES ME MORE.

YOU NEED SOME TEETH, SOME TEETH INTO IT WHERE I CAN HANDLE IT A LOT BETTER.

MY CODE ENFORCEMENT AND MY POLICE OFFICERS CAN HANDLE IT A LOT BETTER.

AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD START FOR THAT.

AND LIKE I SAID, WHEN WE CAME TO YOU BEFORE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD COST THE CITY A LOT OF MONEY AND I WANT EVERYBODY TO BE AWARE OF THAT.

BUT AGAIN, I DON'T MIND AS LONG AS I GOT SOMETHING BY LAW TO BECAUSE IT'S NOT AGAINST THE LAW TO BE HOMELESS.

I UNDERSTAND THERE'S NOT A THERE'S NOT A CODE OUT THERE THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND THAT SAYS IT'S AGAINST THE LAW.

THE ONLY PROBLEM IS, IS CAN THEY BE HOMELESS ON CITY PROPERTY OR PRIVATE PROPERTY, WHICH WE'VE GOTTEN IN TOUCH WITH THE PERSONS THAT OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY AND GOTTEN LETTERS FROM AND SAY, HEY, I WANT THESE PEOPLE TRESPASS AS LONG AS THEY TELL US THAT AND GIVE US A LETTER SAYING THEY WANT THEM TRESPASS, THEN WE CAN TAKE CARE OF IT THAT WAY.

NOW THIS GIVES US THE TEETH THAT WE NEED FOR THE CITY PROPERTY.

I FEEL LIKE THIS MOVING FORWARD WOULD HELP US WITH THAT.

YES. AND I WOULD JUST SAY, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THE ADDITIONAL TRAINING TO BUILD THE SENSITIVITY INTO OUR OFFICERS THAT THAT IT DOESN'T BECOME WORSE THAN IT MIGHT COME BY IMPATIENCE, NOT UNDERSTANDING, OVERREACTION, ETC..

AND I HAVE HIGH CONFIDENCE IN OUR POLICE FORCE.

SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL HAPPEN.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ADEQUATELY TRAINED AND HAVE ALL THE ISSUES BEFOREHAND.

WELL, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO PUT ALL THE WARNINGS OUT THERE AHEAD OF TIME, GOT YOU, TO GET THAT OUT THERE AHEAD OF TIME AND GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE ALONG THE WAY AS MUCH AS WE CAN. YES, SIR.

THANK YOU.

MRS. GUZMAN.

I'M JUST GLAD THAT THIS IS GIVING YOU GUYS THE TEETH THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THIS ISSUE.

JOHN BROUGHT UP A LOT OF GOOD POINTS ON THAT.

AND SO I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, EXCEPT THAT I'M GLAD THAT THIS IS GIVING YOU GUYS THE TEETH.

YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THIS PROBLEM.

MR. MEERSMAN.

OKAY. YOU HAD ME WHEN YOU SAID SIDEWALKS, AND YOU KNOW HOW I AM WITH MR. SIDEWALK. IT'S IT'S DISTURBING THAT WE HAVE TO COME TO AN ORDINANCE LIKE THIS.

OUR HOMELESS, OUR HOMELESS ISSUE HAS GROWN TO THAT POINT, AND WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT WHERE DO WE MOVE THEM TO? ARE WE SENDING THEM DOWN THE ROAD? WE'LL TAKE THEM. YOU'LL TAKE THEM OUT OF SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY HERE.

WE MOVE THEM DOWN THE ROAD TO SOMEPLACE ELSE.

WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN, BUT IT'S NOT A LONG TERM SOLUTION, AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

I WISH WE WE DID.

OUR HOMELESS IS NOT JUST A HARDEEVILLE ISSUE.

IT'S A REGIONAL ISSUE NOW.

AND JUST WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN NOW, BUT FOR IN THE FUTURE, I THINK ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES NEED TO SIT DOWN AND COME UP WITH A FORMULATED PLAN.

WELL, WE'VE HAD MEETINGS MR. MEERSMAN, AND I'VE BEEN TO SEVERAL MEETINGS AND WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO.

AND AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT A REGIONAL SHELTER NEEDING TO BE BUILT FOR THIS FOR THIS REASON THAT'S GOING TO COST A LOT OF MONEY.

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I DID SOME WORK WITH SHERIFFS IN THE BACKGROUND, AND I AND I JUST TOLD THEM WE NEED TO MOVE IT IN THE COUNTY.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WE KIND OF JOKE ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST ALL WE'RE DOING IS PUSHING.

WE'RE PUSHING THE PROBLEM SOMEPLACE ELSE A LOT.

SO I'M JUST I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I DON'T SEE THIS PROBLEM GETTING BETTER.

I SEE IT GETTING WORSE.

YEAH. AND AND AGAIN, WHAT DO YOU DO.

YEAH. WELL AND WE DON'T WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT THAT IN THE FUTURE WE DO HAVE HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THIS.

BUT I APPLAUD THE THE NEW ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT DOES PUT SOME SOME TEETH INTO IT.

I WISH WE WOULDN'T HAVE WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE IT, BUT WE DO.

AND I'M, YOU KNOW, NOW IT'S ENFORCEABLE.

I AGREE WITH BO.

ALSO, THE FACT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICERS NEED TO BE TRAINED TO HOW TO HANDLE THESE SITUATIONS.

HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE NOT THEY'RE NOT YOUR NORMAL PEOPLE.

THEY CAN TURN. THEY CAN TURN VIOLENT.

YOU KNOW, THEY THEY THEY LIVE IN A DIFFERENT WORLD.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO ARREST THEM AND THEN TAKE THEM DOWN AND MAKE SHERIFF GIVE THEM THAT PROBLEM.

YOU DON'T WANT HOMELESS PEOPLE FILLING UP YOUR YOUR JAIL DOWN THERE.

AND YOU'RE CORRECT. SO TAX PAYERS DOLLARS THERE.

YOU KNOW. AND WE ALSO HAVE A SHELTER IN THE CITY, TOO, AND IT'S AN EDUCATIONAL PROCESS THERE.

IT DOESN'T DO US ANY GOOD TO.

TRY TO ADDRESS THIS IF THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT ONE OR ANY THAT HELP ENCOURAGE IT OR DON'T DISCOURAGE THAT FROM FROM HAPPENING.

YOU FEED A WILD DOG AND THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO COME BACK TO THAT HOUSE.

I WOULD, I, I WOULD CAUTION EVERYBODY HERE TO NOT TO MAKE REPRESENTATIONS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN OUR CITY, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY LIVE.

SO PLEASE IN OUR COMMENTS, LET'S NOT LET'S NOT DIMINISH.

WE DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE ARE LIVING THE WAY THEY ARE.

SO I THINK IT'D BE HEALTHY NOT TO CHARACTERIZE ANYBODY IN ANY PARTICULAR WAY.

I MEAN, IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A CITY WIDE PROBLEM.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS A, AS A MUNICIPALITY AND NOT JUST US.

YES, SIR. LET ME JUST SAY ONE THING IN RESPONSE TO THE MAYOR'S INSIGHT.

AND, STEVE, OUR PRIORITY AT THE TOP OF THE LIST IS THE TRAINING AND SAFETY OF OUR OFFICERS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS SECOND TO THAT.

AND AND I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THAT AND THAT'S BEEN YOUR LEADERSHIP, STEVE.

AND EXCUSE ME, CHIEF.

AND SO LET'S NOT COMPROMISE ON NUMBER ONE IS MY POINT FOR YOU.

ALL RIGHT. LET'S GET BACK ON ON TRACK HERE.

BUT FIRST OF ALL I THINK TO MR. MEERSMAN POINT ABOUT THIS, A REGIONAL THING AND BOTH CHIEF AND SHERIFF, YOU'LL BE INVITED.

I'VE ARRANGED FOR THE APRIL AGENDA OF SOLOCO.

THERE WILL BE A PRESENTATION, AND THE AGENDA WILL BE DEVOTED TO THE REGIONAL PROBLEM OF UNHOUSED PERSONS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO, THROUGH SOLOCO, START THE DIALOG IN SEARCH FOR POTENTIAL ANSWERS.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT STEVE.

AND IT DOES REQUIRE A REGIONAL CONVERSATION.

YES, SIR. BUT MY FIRST COMMENT ON THIS IS IT'S EXCELLENT.

I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT PROTECTION OF CITY PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

I DON'T WANT TO DISPARAGE ANYBODY WHO'S IN AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION.

WHAT BUT I DO, OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PROTECT CITY PROPERTY, AND I.

THAT'S WHY I LIKE THIS A LOT.

QUESTIONS? AND I GUESS THIS IS FOR MRS. MAINES. WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME ORDINANCES FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, PARTICULARLY, I THINK PORT ROYAL AND BEAUFORT. HOW DOES OURS DIFFER FROM NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES? MAYOR, I APOLOGIZE. I HAVE NOT REVIEWED PORT ROYAL AND BEAUFORT.

THE MOST RECENT ONE THAT WAS ADOPTED IN THE STATE, I BELIEVE, WERE COLUMBIA AND SOMERVILLE.

AND THOSE WERE THE ONES I REVIEWED.

I'M HAPPY TO LOOK AT BLUFFTON AND PORT ROYAL AND REPORT TO YOU AT SECOND READING ON THAT.

I ONLY ASKED THIS QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMS SUCH AS THIS, THEY DON'T HAVE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES.

AND I THINK AS MUCH AS WE CAN BE UNIFIED IN, IN HAVING SAME TYPES OF ORDINANCES, I THINK KEEPS US OUT

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OF POTENTIAL LEGAL PROBLEMS, MAYBE, AND I'M NOT A LAWYER TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT.

BUT AS MUCH UNIFORMITY IF WE'RE GOING TO ATTACK THIS AS A REGION, FIRST PLACE TO START IS TO HAVE UNIFORM LEGISLATION.

SO I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH, YOU KNOW, PASSING THIS FORWARD.

BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR SECOND READING, IF YOU COULD LOOK AT, I THINK MR. CZYMBOR RECEIVED DIDN'T YOU GET MY FROM BEAUFORT AND PORT ROYAL, SOME, SOME CAMPING ORDINANCES, I DON'T RECALL POSSIBLY. OKAY.

BUT I'LL WE'LL CHECK INTO IT.

I KNOW I SAW SOME, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THAT YOU WERE ON THAT, BUT IF NOT, I'LL, I'LL LOOK IT UP AND GET IT.

BUT UNIFORMITY, I THINK, IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO THE OTHER THING, WHEN WE PASSED THIS, THERE ARE CERTAIN RULES HERE IN OUR PARKS.

WILL THERE BE SIGNS POSTED THAT GIVE THESE RULES SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS? I'M ASSUMING. ONCE THIS PASSED.

YES, SIR. WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON GETTING THAT DIALOG UP.

AND JUST SOME PLACES THAT IN AND ME AND ME AND MR. BAXTER TALKED ABOUT IT, THAT WE WILL ASK THE MAINTENANCE PEOPLE TO HELP US PUT UP SIGNS, NO TRESPASSING SIGNS ON CITY PROPERTY, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF SOME OF THE RULES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO. WE CAN DO THOSE SAME THINGS IN THE PARK.

YEAH. BECAUSE THERE'S YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS HERE, PARTICULARLY G AND THERE'S LIKE 12 THINGS, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THEM ON A SIGN BECAUSE I THINK WASN'T THERE SOMEBODY WAS THAT WAS THAT THE SIGN YOU SENT ME, MRS. GUZMAN, THAT BLUFFTON HAD? YEAH. YEAH, YEAH.

YES, SIR. WE'RE AWARE OF THAT.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL WORK TOWARDS ONCE, ONCE, ONCE IT GETS THROUGH THE SECOND READING, THEN WE'LL START MAKING THAT MOVE TO PUT THOSE SIGNS AGAIN, THAT THAT'S PART OF THIS EARLY WARNING THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET OUT BEFORE WE START SENDING VIOLATIONS TO THE, TO THE, TO THE COURTS.

I WANT TO GIVE THEM ENOUGH TIME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT THE NEW PROCESS IS.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL WORK ON VERY HARD.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANYBODY? ANYONE ELSE? SEEING. SO WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME, ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS ORDINANCE?

[PUBLIC HEARING]

SEEING NONE.

I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE 2024-3-7D.

MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

ORDINANCE 2024-3-7D.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE OKAY.

SECOND READING IS IN TWO WEEKS.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

NEXT WE HAVE RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, APPROVING A CONTRACT FOR MUTUAL AID BETWEEN JASPER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE POLICE

[E. RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, APPROVING A CONTRACT FOR MUTUAL AID BETWEEN JASPER COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE AND CITY OF HARDEEVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES. (2024-3-7E)]

DEPARTMENT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES.

I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND WELCOME SHERIFF HIPP AND DEPUTY CROSBY, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU.

GENTLEMEN, WELCOME.

THANK YOU MAYOR. FIRE AWAY! TELL US ABOUT IT. USUALLY YOU TURN IT OVER TO HIM.

YOU GOT. NO, IT SAYS MICHAEL CZYMBOR OR CHIEF WOODWARD.

SO I HAD THE OPTION TO THROW THE BALL TO YOU, AND HE'S GOING TO THROW THE BALL TO ME.

WE JUST WANT SMILING FACES UP THERE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO WOULD ONE OF YOU TWO LIKE TO TAKE THIS ITEM? YES, SIR. YEAH, I CAN TAKE IT, SIR.

THIS THIS IS A WE CALL IT HOUSEKEEPING ITEM, BUT WE ANNUALLY OR REGULARLY NOT ANNUALLY, ADOPTED MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS BETWEEN PARTNER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES.

SO THIS WOULD BE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND JASPER COUNTY TALKING ABOUT MUTUAL AID SERVICES.

WE'RE RECOMMENDING ADOPTION THAT AUTHORIZES THE MAYOR CHIEF WOODWARD MYSELF, TO ENTER INTO CONTRACT WITH JASPER COUNTY FOR MUTUAL AID, LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES.