[00:01:59] >> I'D LIKE TO CALL THE FEBRUARY MEETING OF THE HARDEEVILLE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT WE HAVE A THREE MEMBER QUORUM WITH THAT. >> OKAY. >> ANNA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE? >> LET US PRAY. THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THIS TIME TOGETHER TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS AND WISE CHOICES FOR THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, AND THE CITIZENS OF HARDEEVILLE, PLEASE GUIDE US THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN YOUR NAME. AMEN. >> >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS APPROVAL OF TODAY'S AGENDA. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION? >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> MOTION CARRIES. >> JUST GIVE ME A FUN. >> WE HAVE NOW THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, AND THE VICE MANAGER. >> CONGRATULATIONS MAYOR. >> I HAD DEMOTED YOU. THE VICE MANAGER IS GOING TO TALK TO US ABOUT THE ARGENT ROAD TRAFFIC MITIGATION. >> GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. NICE TO SEE YOU, MATT DAVIS, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. [LAUGHTER] I LIKE THAT. YES, I UNDERSTAND Y'ALL HAD ASKED FOR SOME UPDATES, AND I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THOSE TO YOU. ALL THE THINGS THAT WE AND SOME OF OUR PARTNERS ARE WORKING ON FOR, ARGENT AND I'LL SHARE SOME OTHER UPDATES AS WELL. AS FAR AS ARGENT BOULEVARD GOES, AND ALSO I GUESS 170, I'LL START OUT WITH SAYING, AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, WE WORKED WITH BUFORD COUNTY, THEY DID AN ACCESS MANAGEMENT STUDY ON 170 AND THEY IDENTIFIED SEVERAL NEAR TERM IMPROVEMENTS. TWO HAVE ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED, THE ONE BEING SEVERAL YEARS AGO NOW, WAS THE SIGNAL AT 462 THAT WAS DONE CREATED THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL. THEY ALSO RECENTLY ADDED THE SECOND LEFT TURN OFF OF ARGENT ONTO SC 170, WHICH HAS BEEN A BIG HELP I THINK WITH THAT BACK UP THERE, THAT WAS A RELATIVELY EASY THING TO DO, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF RESTRIPING AND ADDING AN ADDITIONAL SIGNAL HEAD. THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS IN THE WORKS ALONG 170 THAT WILL BE ANNOUNCED PRETTY SOON. ALSO, AS A RESULT OF A STUDY THAT ACTUALLY THE CITY COMMISSION, A FEW YEARS AGO, WHEN WE DID OUR ARGENT CORRIDOR STUDY, WE SHOWED SCDOT THAT A SIGNAL WAS ALREADY WARRANTED AT US 278 IN ARGENT. IT WAS SHOCKING TO US THAT THEY WERE SURPRISED THAT THAT MET THE WARRANTS. BUT ANYWAY, THAT IS SCDOT PROJECT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN DONE LAST YEAR. [00:05:01] THEY COULDN'T GET ANYBODY TO DO THE WORK. THEY TRIED TO BID IT OUT. THEY TRIED TO AWARD THE CONTRACT TO ONE OF THEIR ON CALL CONTRACTORS AND NO ONE WAS INTERESTED AT THAT TIME. THEY'VE CHANGED THE PROJECT UP, AND I THINK THEY'RE MAY BE ROLLING IT INTO SOME OTHER WORK, BUT THAT SHOULD BE DONE AT SOME POINT THIS YEAR. MY UNDERSTANDING IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, THEY WILL EXTEND THAT LEFT TURN LANE ON US 278 WHICH AS WE ALL KNOW BACKS UP WELL INTO THE TRAVEL LANE AT TIMES OF THE DAY, SO THAT'S GOOD. ORIGINALLY THAT WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. IT WAS JUST GOING TO BE A SIGNAL. >> ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE TWO LEFT TURN LANES AROUND THERE? >> NOT AT THIS TIME, BUT THE STUDIES DO SHOW THAT, YES, THAT WILL BE NECESSARY, BUT IN THE INTERIM IT'LL JUST BE ONE, BUT AT LEAST IT'LL BE THAT STOP IN TRAFFIC BECAUSE THAT'S A PRETTY ROUGH INTERSECTION. HAVE YOU SEEN THAT? >> BECAUSE THAT COULD BE DONE SIMILAR TO THE WAY 462 WAS WHERE THERE'S ONLY GOING TO BE A STOP LIGHT GOING WESTBOUND AND THEN THE LEFT TURN ALLOWED GOING ACROSS 278 OR IS THAT GOING TO BE A FULL STOP. >> THAT'LL BE A FULL STOP. YEAH, IT WILL. THAT IS AN SCDOT PROJECT. WE'RE NOT INVOLVED WITH THAT ONE, BUT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN RELATIVELY SOON. IN ADDITION, I'LL TALK ABOUT 170. I'M JUST WORKING THROUGH THESE BUFORD COUNTY SCDOT SOMETIME THIS YEAR AS WELL. THEY SHOULD BE INSTALLING WHAT THEY'RE CALLING A TEMPORARY SIGNAL AT SOUTH CAROLINA 170 AND OLD FIELD AND EAST ARGENT PARKWAY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WON'T BE ANY PAVING WORK AT THAT TIME, BUT IT WILL CREATE A SIGNAL AND AGAIN, CREATE THOSE GAPS IN TRAFFIC. IT'S TEMPORARY BECAUSE IT'LL JUST BE WOODEN POLES WITH WIRES AND YOU WON'T BE THE MAST ARMS, BUT IT WILL BE A SIGNAL. AGAIN, NOT OUR PROJECT, BUT THAT IS ALSO IN THE WORKS. NOW AS FAR AS THE THINGS THE CITY'S DOING OR RUNNING, THE BIG ONE OF COURSE IS ARGENT BOULEVARD. IT'S SHORT CUT/JASPER STATION ROAD, AS Y'ALL KNOW, THAT'S AN OFFSET INTERSECTION. RIGHT NOW, IT'S A BIT WALKY. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR QUITE SOME TIME. AGAIN, HARKENING BACK TO THAT STUDY. WE DID SHOWED THAT THE WARRANTS WERE MET FOR A SIGNAL AT THAT LOCATION. SCDOT AGREED THAT THEY WOULD PAY FOR THE SIGNAL ITSELF OUT OF THEIR SAFETY BUDGET. BUT THE CONDITION TO THAT WAS THAT THEY WOULDN'T JUST DO A TEMPORARY SIGNAL. WE WOULD HAVE TO GET ALL THE GEOMETRIC IMPROVEMENTS DONE, ANY LANE WIDENINGS, ET CETERA. THAT'S BEEN QUITE A PROCESS. I THINK YOU MAY HAVE HEARD ME TALK TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT THAT. THERE'S A BJWSA 20 INCH WATER LINE THAT WILL BE AT THE VERY EDGE OF THE NEW PAVING. WE WENT BACK AND FORTH A LOT OF ENGINEERING, BUT WE HAVE TO RELOCATE ABOUT 2000, LINEAR FEET OF THIS WATER LINE, WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE. THAT'S ADDED TO CLOSE TO $1 MILLION IN COST OF THAT PROJECT, UNFORTUNATELY. BUT ANYWAY, WE ARE VERY CLOSE NOW TO RECEIVING ALL OF OUR FINAL APPROVALS. THE ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITS HAVE TAKEN WELL OVER A YEAR TO OBTAIN. WE HAVE JUST RECENTLY RECEIVED THEM. FINALLY, WE ARE IN THE FINAL STAGES OF ACQUIRING VARIOUS RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENTS AND PROPERTY IN GENERAL, WE JUST NEED CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS, SOME, WE NEED TO ACQUIRE SOME PROPERTY FOR THE WIDENING BECAUSE THERE WILL BE TURN LANES AT THAT INTERSECTION. THE INTERSECTION WILL NOW BE ALIGNED BETTER IF YOU'RE CROSSING OVER ARGENT. WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO THAT. I WOULD ANTICIPATE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT PROJECT OUT TO BID. THAT'S GOOD NEWS. WE'RE AS FRUSTRATED AS ANYONE WITH HOW LONG IT'S TAKEN, BUT WE'VE DONE, I THINK, EVERYTHING WE CAN, AS TIMELY AS WE CAN. WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT. WE HAVE ALSO, AS YOU'RE ALL AWARE, AT NEW RIVER PARKWAY, ARGENT, AND EAST ARGENT PARKWAY, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING THERE WITH THE NEW SECTION OF SUN CITY EVERTON COTTAGES, ET CETERA, THOSE PROJECTS. WE HAVE APPLIED FOR A TEMPORARY SIGNAL AT THAT LOCATION AND SCDOT IS AMENABLE TO THAT. WE'RE IN THE LAST STAGES OF GETTING OUR ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITS FOR THAT. THE BIG THING THERE IS THAT WE'RE DISTURBING LESS THAN A HALF ACRE OR DISTURBING NEW DISTURBANCE, SO THAT'S GOOD. THAT SPEEDS UP THAT PROCESS TREMENDOUSLY. ALSO, I WOULD ANTICIPATE BEING OUT TO BID IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. AGAIN, THAT'LL BE A TEMPORARY SIGNAL WITH POLES AND WIRES, BUT IT WILL CREATE A SAFER SITUATION THERE UNTIL WE GET INTO THE LONGER TERM PROJECTS WITH WIDENING OF ARGENT BOULEVARD AND THAT INTERSECTION WILL BE WIDER. WE'RE GOING TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF PAVING WORK. THERE'LL BE SOME SMALL TURN LANES ON ARGENT BOULEVARD, BUT THERE WON'T BE, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE CAR LENGTHS WILL BE ALL IT IS. BUT AGAIN, IT WILL CREATE A GAP, SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. >> THAT WILL BECOME A PERMANENT SIGNAL EVENTUALLY? >> YES, SIR. IT WILL. >> OKAY. >> MOVING AWAY FROM ARGENT ALSO, AS I'M SURE YOU'VE NOTICED, WE HAVE AN ISSUE AT US 278 AND LAKESIDE BOULEVARD, LAKESIDE BOULEVARD, PARTICULARLY IN THE MORNINGS, AS YOU KNOW, THOSE TURN LANES, PARTICULARLY INTO MARGARITAVILLE, IT'S RELATIVELY SHORT, THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT ROLLS INTO THERE. [00:10:04] SO, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, AND YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THIS, BUT BUFORD COUNTY ACTUALLY MAINTAINS THAT SIGNAL, THE ACTUAL OPERATIONS OF IT, AND THEY SET THE TIMING, AND WE'VE TALKED WITH THEM ALL THE TIME, BUT THAT SIGNAL CYCLES THROUGH, OFTEN, PARTICULARLY IN THE MORNINGS, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC THAT BACKS UP IN THAT LEFT TURN LANE AND INTO THE THROUGH LANE THAT THEY DON'T LIKE THAT UNSAFE CONDITION, SO IT CYCLES A LOT. ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU'VE GOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC TRAVELING EAST ON 278, SO IT BACKS UP A LONG WAYS. SO WE HAVE ALREADY DESIGNED AND HAVE INTO OUR PERMIT APPLICATION INTO SEDOT TO EXTEND THE LEFT TURN LANES ACTUALLY ON BOTH SIDES, BOTH INTO HILTON HEAD LAKES AND MARGARITAVILLE, AND THEY WILL BE DOUBLE LEFTS. THAT IS IN THE RELATIVELY FINAL STAGES NOW OF APPROVAL AS WELL. THE SAME KIND OF DEAL, IT'S A LESSER AREA OF DISTURBANCE, SO WE ANTICIPATE THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITS NOT BEING TOO DIFFICULT. MATTER OF FACT, I BELIEVE THE PUBLIC NOTICE FOR THAT INTERSECTION ENDS THIS COMING FRIDAY. THAT'S VERY GOOD NEWS. I WOULD IMAGINE, AGAIN, WITH THAT ONE AS WELL, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT THAT OUT TO BID IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS AS WELL. IT WOULD BE A LOT OF ACTIVITY. >> THE LEFT TURN LANE INTO HILTON HEAD LAKES, NEVER TURNS GREEN. >> IT DOES NOT. THAT IS A SOURCE OF CONTENTION BETWEEN THE CITY AND SEDOT AT THIS TIME. WE HAVE TALKED WITH THEM, WE EVEN DONE TRAFFIC COUNTS, AND AS OF NOW, ACCORDING TO THE FORMULAS THAT THEY USE, THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH LEFT TURN LANES TO WARRANT THAT BEING WHAT WE CALL PROTECTED LEFT. IT'S JUST ON THAT FLASHING YELLOW ARROW. WE'RE GOING TO REVISIT THAT EVERY FEW MONTHS AND GET COUNTS BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND IT'S AN ISSUE, BUT IT'S NOT UP TO US, UNFORTUNATELY, TO CONTROL THAT, BUT WE ARE IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH THEM ABOUT THAT. BUT THE DUAL LEFTS SHOULD ALLEVIATE THAT SIGNAL CYCLING THROUGH AS MUCH AS IT DOES SO IN THE MORNING, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE THAT TRAFFIC BACKING UP SOMETIMES BEYOND JOHN SMITH ROAD, WHICH IS A PRETTY GOOD PACK UP. WE GOT THAT GOING ON, SO THAT'S ALL GOOD NEWS. THEN FINALLY, I DID WANT TO INVITE YOU ALL NEXT WEDNESDAY AT THE RECREATION CENTER BETWEEN 2:00 AND 6:00 PM. IT'S A DROP IN. YOU CAN COME IN ANYTIME. OUR CONSULTANT, KIMLEY-HORN, THEY ARE DOING OUR US 278 CORRIDOR STUDY, THE WHOLE WAY FROM US 17 TO ARGENT BOULEVARD. THAT'S BEING PAID FOR BY ANOTHER DEVELOPER AND THEY'VE DONE ALL THEIR EXISTING CONDITIONS AND BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND THEY'RE GOING TO PRESENT ALL THAT ON VARIOUS BOARDS, BUT THEY WANT TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN 278, WHAT ARE THE HOT SPOTS? WHAT ARE THE ISSUES? I ENCOURAGE YOU TO STOP BY AND GIVE THEM YOUR INPUT SOMETIME NEXT WEDNESDAY. >> WILL THAT ADDRESS THE RELOCATION OF MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE? >> THAT'S PART OF THE WIDENING, ACTUALLY, OF US 95 OR I-95, SO THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE REGARDLESS. THAT'S REALLY ALREADY ESTABLISHED. THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT, THEY'RE PLANNING FOR THAT, BUT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AS A RESULT OF THE RECONSTRUCTION OF EXIT EIGHT. >> I WAS JUST BEEN TRYING TO GET SOME IDEA OF WHERE THE NEW LIGHT AND TURN INTO THE HOSPITAL IS GOING TO BE. >> WE CAN HELP. >> YEAH, WE CAN HELP WITH THAT. YEAH, WE CAN SHOW YOU ALL THAT. ABSOLUTELY. YES, SIR. >> WHEN IS THE BRIDGE ON JOHN SMITH GOING TO COME DOWN AND GO UP? >> OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE FIRST, PHASE 1. THE BRIDGES AT 278 OVER 95 WILL NOT BE COMPROMISED AT THE SAME TIME THE BRIDGE AT JOHN SMITH. IT'LL BE ONE OR THE OTHER. THEY'RE GOING TO OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO DO THAT, SO THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF THAT SO THERE'LL BE THAT TRAFFIC CONTROL. BUT PHASE 1 IS THE JOHN SMITH, THAT'S WHAT THE CLEARING AROUND, YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN, THAT'S PRECIPITATED, THAT RECONSTRUCTION OF THAT BRIDGE. >> WITH A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON MAIN STREET AND PINE HARBOR. >> I BELIEVE SO. >> IT'LL MAKE IT A LITTLE HARDER TO GET HERE, ISN'T IT? [LAUGHTER] >> IT WILL. OH, NO. WE DON'T HAVE TO CROSS THAT BRIDGE. >> I DO. >> NO, YOU DON'T. YOU CAN COME DOWN PINE HARBOR. >> UH, YEAH. OKAY. I END UP ON THE OTHER SIDE, SO I'LL COME TO WORK. [LAUGHTER] AROUND THE WEST. >> WE'LL GO ALL THE WAY UP TO 17 AND COME DOWN. >> THE SHORTCUT ROAD IN ARGENT AND NEWERVER PARKWAY AND ARGENT. YOU SAID THEY'RE GOING OFF FOR BID IN A FEW MONTHS. DO YOU ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION STARTING AND MAYBE FINISHING IN THIS YEAR? >> I'M NOT GOING TO GUESS ON CONSTRUCTION TIMELINES, BUT IF WE CAN DO THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT MUCH. >> MAYBE A CHRISTMAS PRESENT. >> THAT'S POSSIBLE. YES, SIR. I THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE. I LEARNED IT'S BEEN 2.5 YEARS AND I STOOD UP HERE AND MADE A VERY SILLY PREDICTION SO I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT AGAIN. >> [LAUGHTER] FAIR ENOUGH. >> THE PERMANENT LIGHTS, IF IT'S ANYTHING LIKE THE MARGARITAVILLE, [00:15:03] WILL TAKE SEVEN YEARS, FIVE YEARS. >> WELL, KEEP IN MIND WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS WITH JASPER COUNTY AND BUFORD COUNTY ON THAT WHOLE TRIANGLE PROJECT. JARED FRELIS OVER IN THE COUNTY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB SPEARHEADING THAT. THERE'S PARTS OF REDESIGN OF ARGENT 278 AND 170. THEY'D LIKE TO START IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO. IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL. IT'S GOING TO CERTAINLY BE DEPENDENT ON FUNDING AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. PROBABLY, IF THE SALES TAX REFERENDUM HERE PASSES FOR THE TRANSPORTATION, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE THOSE FUNDS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH DEVELOPERS TO PAY FOR THAT. IT'S A REGIONAL PROBLEM, IT'S NOT JUST OUR GROWTH PROBLEM AND CERTAINLY WE ADD TO IT, BUT WE'RE IN BETWEEN SOME DESTINATIONS AS WELL, SO WE SUFFER A LOT FROM THAT BACKGROUND TRAFFIC AS WELL. BUT THAT'S WHAT I HAVE AS FAR AS UPDATES ON TRAFFIC. >> ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU. I'VE HEARD, AND IT MAY BE URBAN RUBBER, THAT WHEN THE LIGHT GOES IN AT ARGENT AND 278, THAT THE LIGHT NEXT ONE DOWN BY WALMART IS GOING TO GO AWAY. IS THAT JUST A RUMOR OR IS THAT A FACT? >> THERE WAS A STUDY DONE BY AECOM ON BEHALF OF BUFORD COUNTY THAT LOOKED AT 278, BASICALLY FROM ARGENT BOULEVARD TO 170, TO THE INTERCHANGE THERE, THE OVERPASS. LONG TERM, THERE IS A THOUGHT THAT THAT LIGHT THERE, BASICALLY, IT'S CALLED THE WALMART LIGHT, WOULD SHIFT FURTHER TO THE EAST A LITTLE BIT. IF YOU HAD THE LIGHT AT ARGENT, THEN IT WOULD SHIFT DOWN TO [OVERLAPPING] >> PROBABLY, NEW RIVER. >> YEAH. BUT THAT IS A LONG TERM PLAN. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE IMMEDIATE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO LIGHTS THERE FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME. HOPEFULLY, THEY'LL BE SOMEWHAT CONNECTED AS FAR AS TIMING. >> YEAH, I'M SURE THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF WORK THAT HAVE TO BE DONE IF IT MOVES DOWN THE NEW RIVER TOO, BECAUSE THAT'S PRETTY NARROW RIGHT THERE FIRST. >> RIGHT, AND THE SIGNAL, THEY'RE STILL WORKING ALL THROUGH THAT. THERE'S PEOPLE MUCH SMARTER THAN ME WITH THIS KIND OF STUFF, BUT THE LIGHT THERE AT WALMART, IT COULD BE A PARTIAL SIGNAL WHERE CERTAIN MOVEMENTS ARE ALLOWED AND SOME AREN'T. BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ONE HAPPENS THEN THE OTHER THING HAPPENS IMMEDIATELY, THAT WON'T BE THE CASE. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. [INAUDIBLE] >> THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. >> THANK YOU ALL. >> DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE MOVE ON WITH OUR AGENDA? SEEING NONE, LET'S GO TO OLD BUSINESS. WE HAVE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 13 THAT WE REVIEWED. I SENT SOME COMMENTS IN TO KATIE. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS ON THOSE MINUTES? >> I HAVE NONE. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> TWO OF THE QUESTIONS WERE WHETHER OR NOT CERTAIN THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE LIKE THE STORM WATER UPDATE WAS DONE, THE WASTE CLARIFICATION THAT HAS BEEN NOTED IN THE PERMANENT FILE AND THE OPEN SPACE BREAKDOWN WAS GIVEN AT THE COUNCIL MEETING. I CAN CERTAINLY FORWARD YOU THAT INFORMATION. >> I'D APPRECIATE THAT. >> DID WE CLEAN UP STEVE'S COMMENT ABOUT THE MED CENTER DRIVE? IT WAS NOT CLEAR WHAT HE SAID AND I SUGGESTED THAT YOU GET WITH STEVE. REMEMBER THAT? >> WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONVERSATION WITH MR. TALBOT ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT REALLY SURE EXACTLY HOW [OVERLAPPING] >> [INAUDIBLE] YOU HAD IT HERE. >> LET ME LOOK. I THINK IT SHOULD SAY NEEDS. LOOKING AT IT, IT JUST SEEMS ODD. I ASSUME YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY, WE NEED SOME KIND OF A SET ASIDE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING. [00:20:01] |>> I ASKED THE QUESTION, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER IT WAS DEALING WITH THE TRAFFIC. I ASKED ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, IF THAT'S GOING TO BE WORKFORCE HOUSING AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY, ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC DUMPING INTO THAT INTERSECTION. I HAD A CONCERN WITH IT BUT HE SAID THE TRAFFIC STUDY DIDN'T WARRANT ANY ADDITIONAL TURN LANES OR WHATEVER. >> WE CAN CLARIFY THAT. >> MAYBE WE CAN CLEAN THAT HOPEFULLY. >> YEAH, WE CAN GET THAT. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> FOR POSTERITY. WITH THAT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE COMMENT WE JUST HEARD ABOUT? >> I MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE THE DECEMBER 13, 2023 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES BASED ON COMMENTS FROM THE CHAIR. >> SECOND. >> SECOND. >> IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> MOTION CARRIES. NEW BUSINESS CONSIDERATION OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM RESIDENTIAL AND UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY, THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE CITY FOR PARCEL 0401402011, LOCATED ON THE CREATIVE CHURCH, PROPERTY. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> TAKE IT AWAY, KATIE. >> ALL RIGHT. >> THIS IS FOR REZONING FOR 040-140-2001 WHICH IS 1293 PLANTATION DRIVE, WHICH IS ALSO THE HOME OF CREATIVE CHURCH RIGHT NOW ON PLANTATION DRIVE UP NEAR PINE ARBOR ROAD. THE SITE IS 13.2 ACRES, AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING REZONING FROM RESIDENTIAL AND UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, ONE IN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE. I HAVE A MAP HERE SHOWING THE SITE IS AGAIN ALREADY DEVELOPED AND FUNCTIONING FOR CREATIVE CHURCH HERE. THIS IS PINE ARBOR ROAD, PLANTATION DRIVE, AND THIS IS THE MILLSTONE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT HERE. SO AGAIN, IS AN UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY. THE SURROUNDING ZONING IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, ONE ON PINE ARBOR ROAD. FOR THE PARCELS THAT ARE IN THE CITY LIMITS. A COUPLE PICTURES THAT MR. BOYD WAS SO NICE TO TAKE THE OTHER DAY WHILE HE WAS OUT AND ABOUT. THE LAND USE ELEMENT DOES STATE THAT THE CITY SHOULD PRIORITIZE ANNEXING LANDS WHICH FILL IN THE DOUGHNUT HOLES OF THE CITY. INCREASE COMPACTNESS AND INCREASE CONTIGUITY. THIS PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THE CITY LIMITS OF HARDEEVILLE AND WILL HELP US FILL IN SOME HALE AREAS ALONG PLANTATION DRIVE. THERE IS A CONCURRENT APPLICATION FOR PETITION FOR ANNEXATION BEING REVIEWED BY CITY COUNCIL WITH THIS APPLICATION. FIRST STEP, THIS WOULD GO TO YOU FOR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL. AT THIS TIME, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL SITE DEVELOPMENT OR ANYTHING PROPOSED WITH THIS APPLICATION. IT'S SIMPLY JUST ANNEXATION AND REZONING. I WILL INTRODUCE JUSTIN CHEESMAN. HE IS THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE FOR THIS PROJECT AT THIS TIME. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. >> WHAT'S YOUR RELATIONSHIP? ARE YOU PART OF THE CHURCH? >> NO, SIR. I AM A BROKER, OWNER OF A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY IN BLUFFTON, AND I'VE BEEN BROUGHT ON AN ADVISORY ROLE TO HELP THE CHURCH NAVIGATE THE PROCESS. >> OKAY. >> DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM THE CHURCH HERE AT THE MOMENT? >> WE DO. WE HAVE LINDSAY CLARK, WHO IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CHURCH AS WELL AS THE ORGANIZATION THAT WILL BE PIONEERING THE PROCESS. CURRENTLY, THERE'S A SPACE ADJACENT TO THE PARALLEL TO THE SANCTUARY THAT THEY ARE WANTING TO DO, AN INTERIOR UPFIT, WITH NO ALTERATION OF EXTERIOR STRUCTURE TO ALLOW FOR A 6-8 UNIT DWELLING BASICALLY, OR A WOMEN'S SHELTER. >> NOW, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE LITTLE BUILDING AT THE BACK OF THE PARKING LOT? NO, SIR. IT'S TO THE LEFT. [OVERLAPPING] THE MAIN SANCTUARY IS THERE. THEN JUST TO THE LEFT OF THAT, THERE'S THIS SMALL STRUCTURE HERE. I THINK ORIGINALLY IT MAY HAVE BEEN CLASSROOMS. [00:25:01] >> IT WAS A CLASSROOMS. >> YEAH. IT'S AN EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT HASN'T BEEN USED FOR QUITE SOME TIME. THAT BASICALLY WILL BE UP FITTED TO, LIKE I SAID, 6-8 DWELLING UNITS. >> I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHERE I AM. >> SO CREATIVE, I VISITED THE PROPERTY. THERE IS WHAT I'LL CALL THE GYMNASIUM. >> THE GYMNASIUM OR THE SANCTUARY THAT THEY UTILIZE AT THE CHURCH. >> THE GYMNASIUM. THEY'RE USING THAT AS THE CHURCH? >> YES. THEN HERE, I BELIEVE AND LINDSAY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M INCORRECT HERE. THIS IS USED AS THE CHILDREN'S WORKSHOPS OFFICES? >> YEAH. >> THE OFFICES FOR THE CHURCH STAFF AND THE CHILDREN'S MINISTRY BACK HERE. >> THERE'S A LITTLE PLAYGROUND OVER IN THERE. >> IT'S ON THE RIGHT SIDE DOWN HERE ARE SOME ATHLETIC FIELDS THAT I BELIEVE SOME OF THE LOCAL I THINK THE BARRACOOTAS FOOTBALL AND SOME OF THE OTHER LOCAL SOCCER TEAMS UTILIZE AS A FACILITY AS WELL. >> IT'S IN THAT MAIN BUILDING THAT FRONTS THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE. >> OH, IT'S THAT BUILDING? >> YES, SIR. >> THERE'S A SMALL SLIVER HERE. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DIMENSIONS AT THIS TIME. IT PARALLELS THE SANCTUARY. >> YOU WON'T EVEN KNOW IT'S THERE. >> YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT FROM THE ROAD. IT REALLY IS HIDDEN. THERE'S A TREE LINE RIGHT THERE AT THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE. IT SEPARATES THAT OTHER RESIDENTIAL SECTION OVER THERE. >> WHAT'S TO THE LEFT OF THAT? >> HERE? >> THAT PROPERTY, YES. >> YEAH, THERE'S SOME MANUFACTURED HOMES IN HERE, I BELIEVE. >> YEAH. >> THE PLAN IS TO ALSO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THERE. >> NO, SIR. THE PLAN HERE IS TO HAVE 6-8 INDIVIDUAL APARTMENT TYPE DWELLINGS AS A COMMUNITY OUTREACH FOR WOMEN. LONG TERM, 68 MONTHS LANDING PLACE, AS THEY WOULD REINTEGRATE INTO PERMANENT HOUSING. >> THIS IS FOR BATTERED WOMEN. >> WELL, I WAS GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE POLITICALLY CORRECT. >> ISN'T THAT POLITICAL CORRECT? >> VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. MY QUESTION AND MY CONCERN IS, OKAY, WHAT DO YOU HAVE PLANNED FOR SAFETY OF THESE WOMEN? WHAT'S GOING TO STOP SOME IRATE HUSBAND OR BOYFRIEND COMING IN THERE AND GOD FORBID WE HAVE AN UNDER INCIDENT LIKE WE HAD LAST FRIDAY DOWN ON 17. >> SURE. I THINK FOR PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES, THERE ARE WE'VE CONSULTED WITH SECURITY COMPANIES TO HAVE THAT POWER MOUNT, AND THEN AS PART OF THE VETTING PROCESS, THAT WILL BE INCLUDED AS WELL. WHETHER A RESTRAINING ORDER IS IN PLACE IS NOT IN PLACE. THAT'LL BE ALL PART OF THE ORIGINAL VETTING SYSTEM WHICH THE ORGANIZATION IS CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH IN CONJUNCTION WITH OTHER SIMILAR TYPE. >> IT'S STILL GOING TO BE LEFT WIDE OPEN. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FENCE IT OFF AND HAVE LIMITED ACCESS? >> SIR, THERE CURRENTLY IS A FENCE ON THE PERIMETER OF THE STRUCTURE TO THE LEFT THERE. >> BUT I CAN DRIVE IN TODAY? >> YOU CAN DRIVE IN TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE? >> YES. >> THEN THE LARGE BUILDING, WHICH IS THE SANCTUARY, IS LOCKED AND SURVEILLANCED, AND THEN THAT BUILDING WILL BE AS WELL. BUT IN REGARDS TO FENCING, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD CONSIDER, BUT IT IS ATTACHED TO THAT CURRENT BUILDING STRUCTURALLY. NO, I APPRECIATE YOUR ADVOCACY FOR SURE. >> MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF SECURED ENTRANCE, LIKE A HOTEL AFTER MIDNIGHT. YOU NEED YOUR KEY CARD [OVERLAPPING] >> I THINK ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS WAS A KEY FOB, AND THEN ALSO TO HAVE SOMEONE ON SITE AS A STAFF MEMBER FOR THE ORGANIZATION THAT'S THERE ON SITE. >> YEAH, THAT LOCATION IS A LITTLE BIT ISOLATED AND SINCE IT'S BEHIND THE MAIN BUILDING THAT WE SEE FRONTING UP ON THE ROAD, I WAS CONCERNED AS STEVE IS ABOUT SOME NE'ER DO WELL MAN TRYING TO WREAK VIOLENCE ON HIS. >> SURE. I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT. I DO, TOO, AND I AGREE. IT'S PROBABLY A PROJECT THAT WE NEED. >> YES. BUT I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF THERE WERE MORE SAFETY. >> YEAH. >> INVOLVED. >> WE DO HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND YOU HAVE A REZONING APPLICATION IN FRONT OF YOU, SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THIS FOCUSED ON ZONING. >> BUT PART OF OUR TASK IS DOING WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. >> UNDERSTAND. >> AS STEVE SAID, I CAN'T IMAGINE WE WOULD BENEFIT FROM PUBLICITY OF [00:30:05] SOME IRATE MAN GOING IN THERE WITH A GUN AND CAUSING TROUBLE. >> UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. WE DO HAVE TO KEEP THIS TO ZONING PER SATE LAW, AND THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE ANNEXATION PETITION BY CITY COUNCIL. >> THEN ARE YOU GOING TO COME BACK WITH A MASTER PLAN? >> OBVIOUSLY, WITH YOUR? >> NO. THIS IS FOR AN INTERIOR OUTFIT. IF IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH. >> I DON'T KNOW, EVEN THOUGH I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT UNTIL MY QUESTIONS OF SAFETY CAN BE ANSWERED, IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, I CAN'T VOTE. >> NOW, WITH SAFETY PLAN PUT FORWARD, OR WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PRESENT HERE, OR WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT'S PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL? >> WHAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH HERE IS THE SAFETY PLAN REALLY IS NOT UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN AND THEY CAN WORK ON IN CONJUNCTION WITH OTHER AGENCIES, INCLUDING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I'M JUST PUTTING SEVERAL THINGS OUT THERE FOR YOU. ONE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DOES NOT HAVE THE RESPONSE TIME THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE, AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE FELT LIKE WAS BETTER TO HAVE THEM IN THE CITY FOR VARIOUS REASONS. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO DO UNDER OTHER AGENCIES, BUT WE CANNOT DO CONTRACT ZONING ON THIS, AND THAT'S WHAT MY FEAR IS. THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING. IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT YOU TO CARE OR BE CONCERNED, WE WANT TO BE CARED AND STAYED LEGAL. YES, I THINK THAT THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE WONDERFUL TO PUT OUT THERE AND ENCOURAGE, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HOLD YOU TO. YOU ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, AND IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT, THEN THAT IS, BUT IT IS A RECOMMENDATION STILL GO TO COUNCIL. >> THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT TO COME TO THE CITY FOR THAT BECAUSE OF RESPONSE TIME, WILL THE CHIEF THEN BE IN THE PROCESS OF APPROVING SAFETY? >> THEY WORK ON ALL THAT SECURITY STUFF AWAY FROM US. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE DETAILS OF THAT. >> [OVERLAPPING] DO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO MANDATE CERTAIN SAFETY UPGRADES, INCLUSIONS IN THAT REMODEL? >> ONCE AGAIN, I CAN'T SPEAK TO ALL THE WAY THAT HAPPENS. NO, OUR ORDINANCE DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT FOR A REMODEL, BUT OTHERS MIGHT. I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THE OTHER AGENCIES THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THIS CODA AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THIS TYPE OF USE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE AWARE OF. >> IF WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING, AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE I AGREE, DOUGHNUT HOLES, WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF. BUT IF WE RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL THAT THESE GO THROUGH, I'M TRYING TO THINK HOW TO WORD THIS. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE CAN PUT A RECOMMENDATION. >> YEAH. CAN WE PUT A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL THAT THEY MAKE SURE THAT THE SAFETY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ARE ANSWERED. >> IN REFERENCE TO THE ANNEXATION PORTION, YES, YOU CAN. >> WE DON'T HAVE ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE TODAY, BUT IT IS A CONCERN. [OVERLAPPING] >> THEY DO WATCH YOUR MEETINGS AND THEY DO TAKE YOUR CONVERSATIONS AND CONSIDERATIONS UNDER ADVISEMENT AND WE WILL CERTAINLY MAKE SURE THAT IS. >> IS SOMEONE MONITORING CALL INS? IF WE'VE GOT A COUNCIL MEMBER OUT THERE, I'D LIKE TO HEAR A COMMENT. >> THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME. WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THEM. THEY WILL GET ALL OF YOUR MINUTES AND EVERYTHING, I ASSURE YOU. >> WELL, IT IS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE ON THIS RECOMMENDATION THERE IS A PUBLIC COMMENT, CORRECT? >> [INAUDIBLE] I THINK WE JUST NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT COUNCIL BE MADE AWARE OF OUR CONCERNS. I UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY REALLY ISN'T PART OF AN ANNEXATION PETITION. >> NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT CERTAINLY IS OUR CONCERN AS AS CITIZENS. [00:35:06] >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE APPROVE THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM RESIDENTIAL R IN THE UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL 1, SFR 1 IN THE CITY HARDEEVILLE FOR PARCEL 040-14-02-001 LOCATED ON PLANTATION DRIVE, KNOWN AS CREATIVE CHURCH, WITH THE NOTE THAT WHOEVER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DOWN THE ROAD TAKE A LOOK AT THE SAFETY ISSUES THAT COULD BE INVOLVED WITH SUCH A PROJECT. >> DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND IT BASED ON THAT RECOMMENDATION. >> IN FAVOR. >> AYE. >> MOTION CARRIES. >> THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER] >> YOU DIDN'T EXPECT THAT WHEN YOU CAME IN HERE. >> WE GOT PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WE DIDN'T DO THAT. >> WELL, YOU'VE ALREADY TALKED, MENTIONED. >> OR THERE MIGHT BE. >> THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK WITH THE PROJECT. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS RECONSIDERATION OF A MASTER PLAN FOR PARCEL 080-00-03-116, AND 067-00-02-007 IN SUN CITY, WHAT WE REFERRED TO AS PARCEL F OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. >> THANK YOU. ARGENT 3 PARCEL F INITIAL MASTER PLAN. AGAIN, YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT IS ADJACENT TO SUN CITY, 30 ACRES. THE ARGENT 2 PDD WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2007 AND THE ORIGINAL INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL IN APRIL 20 OF '23. IT DID INCLUDE OFFICE, STORAGE FACILITY, STORAGE AREA FOR BUILDING MATERIALS. THIS IS ARGENT BOULEVARD HERE. YOU HAVE 170 HERE, SUN CITY, AND THEN THE TWO PARCELS HERE. THIS IS LOOKING AT THE PARCEL THAT'S UNDEVELOPED. THE PROPOSED INITIAL MASTER PLAN UNDER THIS AMENDMENT WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET THAT SHOWS THE PROPOSED LAYOUT AND THE SINGLE ACCESS POINT. THE ACCESS POINT REMAINS THAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED. I WILL GO OVER SOME OF THE CHANGES TO THE CURRENT APPROVED MASTER PLAN THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THIS AMENDMENT. THE FIRST IS TO CONSOLIDATE THE STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEM INTO A SINGLE SYSTEM WITH ONE WET DETENTION POND. REMOVE THE PREVIOUSLY PLANNED ICG SERVICE CENTER OFFICE AND ASSOCIATED OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS FOR BUILDING MATERIALS. REPLACE THE ICG SERVICE CENTER PROJECT WITH AN EXPANSION OF THE CITADEL ARGENT PLAN TO INCLUDE APPROXIMATELY 14,000 SQUARE FEET OF FLEX TENANT SPACE AND APPROXIMATELY 45,700 SQUARE FEET OF GARAGE CONDOMINIUM SPACE. ADD APPROXIMATELY 0.7 ACRE GRAVEL OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA TO THE CITADEL ARGENT SITE AND REDUCE THE OFFICE RETAIL COMPONENT ON THE CITADEL ARGENT SITE BY APPROXIMATELY 3,600 SQUARE FEET AND INCREASE THE MINI WAREHOUSE USE FROM 85,000 SQUARE FEET TO 93,000 SQUARE FEET. THERE ARE TWO TRACKS. I DID GO OVER THIS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, BUT THE FIRST TRACK IS 19.7 ACRES AND WILL INCLUDE FLEX BUILDING SPACE, OFFICE SPACE, AND WAREHOUSE SPACE, AS WELL AS GARAGE CONDOMINIUM SPACE. THE SECOND TRACK IS APPROXIMATELY 10.4 ACRES, INCLUDES RETAIL, OFFICE AND MINI WAREHOUSE AND STORAGE SPACE, AND THE BREAKDOWN IS SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE. THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE LAND USE ELEMENT TO ENCOURAGE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS. ARGENT 2 PDD INCLUDES A VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL OFFICE, RECREATION, AND COMMERCIAL USES. THERE'S ONE ACCESS POINT, AGAIN, ALONG ARGENT BOULEVARD, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUS MASTER PLAN, BUT IT DOES REMOVE THE PREVIOUS CONCERN FOR TRACTOR TRAILER ACCESS ON THE SITE. THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN PROVIDES A MINIMUM OF A 50-FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE PERIMETER, BUT DUE TO WETLANDS, IT DOES EXCEED THAT REQUIREMENT IN MANY AREAS. THIS IS ALSO EXCEEDING THE MINIMUM OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT. IT IS IN FRONT OF YOU FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. THEN THERE WILL BE CITY COUNCIL, THEY WILL LIKELY WANT TO WORKSHOP THIS, [00:40:02] BUT IT WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL, FOLLOWED BY SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT. STAFF DOES SUGGEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT AS PRESENTED BASED ON THE ARGENT 2 PDD AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I DO HAVE TRIP WEST FROM CYPRUS ENGINEERING I'LL INTRODUCE TO COME UP HERE. [OVERLAPPING] >> BEFORE WE BRING HIM UP A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU. >> I'VE GOT ONE TOO. >> WHAT IS THIS? >> THAT IS THE NEW AREA. I THINK THESE QUESTIONS SHOULD REALLY RATHER BE ANSWERED BY THE APPLICANTS SO THAT YOU'RE GETTING MORE THAN JUST THE ZONING PERSPECTIVE, [OVERLAPPING] I THINK, SO LET ME GO AHEAD AND HAVE THEM DO A FULL [OVERLAPPING]. >> ONE MORE FOR YOU. >> CAN THEY JUST DO AN EXPLANATION REAL QUICK AND THEN MAYBE JUMP INTO COMMENTS? BECAUSE THEY MAY ANSWER SOME OF YOURS. >> WELL, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TURNS AND LEFT TURNS AND NO LEFT TURNS FOR TRUCKS INTO THIS FACILITY. >> THERE'S NO MORE TRACTOR TRAILER PRIMARY NEED. >> THERE WILL BE, OBVIOUSLY, SERVICING THE PEOPLE THAT RENT THESE BUILDINGS SINCE SOME OF THEM WERE GOING TO BE OFFICE WAREHOUSE. BUT I UNDERSTAND THE TRUCK TRAFFIC GOES WAY DOWN, BUT THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT THERE'LL BE NO LEFT FOR TRACTOR TRAILERS INTO THIS SITE, AND I'M SCRATCHING MY HEAD SAYING HOW? >> AGAIN, I WOULD REALLY LIKE THE APPLICANT TO HAVE A CHANCE TO COME UP HERE AND TALK TO YOU AND GIVE A FULL DESCRIPTION BEYOND JUST THE ZONING PERSPECTIVE OF THE USE. >> ONE QUESTION BEFORE HE COMES UP. BASICALLY, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE CHANGING THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND EXPANDING MINI STORAGE. >> YES, AND THEY CAN COME UP HERE. I THINK A LOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED. >> IT'S GOING TO BE MINI STORAGE SITE. >> GO, TRIP. [LAUGHTER] >> I'LL TRY TO HELP YOU OUT THIS MORNING, KATE. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS TRIP WEST WITH CYPRESS ENGINEERING AS KATIE SAID. I ALSO HAVE TYLER BURRIS WITH CITADEL STORAGE HERE AS WELL. JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK RECAP QUICKLY WHAT'S TRANSPIRED SINCE PROBABLY ABOUT THIS TIME LAST YEAR WE WERE IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS AND THEN WENT THROUGH CITY COUNCIL AND [OVERLAPPING] >> DECEMBER 22. >> SUBMITTED DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE PREVIOUS PROJECT LAST SUMMER, AND THEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS, AS KATIE SAID, THE ICG PORTION OF THE PROJECT, THAT CLIENT DECIDED TO MOVE ELSEWHERE AND FORTUNATELY FOR US AND FOR TYLER, CITADEL STORAGE IS STILL EAGER TO BE AT THIS LOCATION AND I FEEL LIKE THEY WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP THE BALANCE OF THE SITE. SINCE THEN, THEY'VE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY FROM DEL WEBB PULTE, THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY OWNER, SO THEY ARE THE PROPERTY OWNER OF RECORD AND EAGER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. WE DO A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE SITE PLAN IS AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT ANY OF THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS. YOU LOOK AT SAY THE RIGHT HALF OF THE PROJECT WAS THE ORIGINAL CITADEL STORAGE PORTION OF THE MASTER PLAN. THAT SIDE OF THE PROJECT HAS REMAINED MOSTLY UNCHANGED, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WE'VE CONSOLIDATED THE STORMWATER DETENTION POND INTO ONE LOCATION ON THE LEFT HALF OF THE PROPERTY. FROM A MASTER PLAN PERSPECTIVE DESIGNATED BEHIND THE MAIN DRIVE IN THIS NARROW ROW SHEDS POSSIBILITY FOR AN OPEN GRAVEL LOT FOR SAY, SOME BOAT TRAILER STORAGE OR SOMETHING OF THAT USE JUST TO MAXIMIZE USE OF THE PROPERTY. >> IT SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING NEEDED. A BOAT RV STORAGE PLACE WAS OPENED JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM YOU AND IT WAS FULL WITHIN MINUTES, IT SEEMED LIKE. SO THERE IS A NEED FOR THAT, SO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD USE OF THAT PROPERTY. >> SURE, SIR. >> IS THIS A LITTLE PIECE OF YOUR WAREHOUSE OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS DRIVEWAY? I SAW THAT YOU GOT A GATE ACROSS THERE. >> I DON'T PAY TOO MUCH ATTENTION TO THE GATE TO THIS POINT, WE SHOW WHERE THEY ARE. THIS WAS INTENDED ORIGINALLY IN THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN AS A FUTURE FLEX SPACE, IF YOU WILL. SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW ON THE FRONT OF THE LEFT SIDE, AGAIN JUST TO RECAP, ON THE CITADEL STORAGE SIDE, THESE TWO LARGE BUILDINGS ARE CLIMATE CONTROLLED. MANY WAREHOUSE STORAGE FACILITIES, INDOOR STORAGE. THIS CORNER HERE WOULD BE THE OFFICE OF OPERATIONS, [00:45:03] AND THEN THE FRONT OF THIS LEFT BUILDING CLOSE TO THE DRIVEWAY, WAS DESIGNATED AS MIXED USE TENANT SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE THE COMPLY WITH THE MIXED USE PORTION OF THE MASTER PLAN TO ALLOW SOME SMALL BUSINESS OFFICE RETAIL USES. THAT WAS A REQUEST FROM THE CITY AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN PROCESS. NOW MOVING TO THE LEFT SIDE, THIS FRONT 14,000 SQUARE FOOT FLEX SPACE, WE SERVE THE SAME BENEFIT, BUT MAYBE FOR A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TENANT. SMALL BUSINESS, OFFICE, REAR HOUSE WITH OVERHEAD DOOR. TO REITERATE KATIE'S COMMENT ON THE TRUCK TRAFFIC, YOU CAN SEE IF WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE OLD MASTER PLAN, THESE DRIVEWAYS WERE MUCH LARGER TO ALLOW FOR THE 18 WHEELER TRUCK TO COME IN AND MAKE DELIVERIES, THE FLATBED WITH THE TRUSSES, WE'VE TIGHTENED ALL THAT UP SO THAT REALLY THE ONLY TYPES OF VEHICLES THAT CAN EVEN COME IN AND SERVICE THESE WOULD BE LIKE YOUR LOCAL DELIVERY TRUCKS, NOT LARGE HIGHWAY 18 WHEELER TRUCKS. THEY SIMPLY WON'T BE ABLE TO CIRCULATE THE SITE. >> WHEN I READ FLEX SPACE AND STUFF, I HAD IN MY MIND THAT IT'S A BUSINESS THAT HAS SOME ON SITE WAREHOUSING, LET'S SAY LIKE A FLOORING COMPANY. >> SURE. >> AND THEY WOULD HAVE SEMIS, BRINGING THEM IN PRODUCT THAT THEY WOULD SELL AND THEN SEND OUT FOR INSTALLATION ON THEIR OWN LOCAL TRUCKS. IS THAT WHAT THIS FLEX SPACE IS INTENDED FOR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? >> TYLER CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT. I THINK IT'S MORE OF A SMALLER BUSINESS, MAYBE A CARPET CLEANING COMPANY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I KNOW MY UNCLE, WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, HAD A LITTLE STOREFRONT AND A SHOP SPACE IN THE BACK WHERE YOU COULD PARK A VAN IN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEY'D BE A MUCH SMALLER IN SCALE. I THINK THEY'VE ACTUALLY DONE SOME OTHERS. HE MAY HAVE SOME EXAMPLES. >> GOOD MORNING. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, EVEN JUST LOOKING AT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN OUR FACILITY IN PALMETTO BLUFF, WE HAVE SIMILAR 1,000 SQUARE FOOT ROUGHLY UNITS THAT MAY HAVE AN OVERHEAD DOOR ON THE BACK. BUT A LOT OF TIMES WHAT WE SEE THEY'RE USED FOR IS LIKE SHOW ROOM SPACE, OFFICE WAREHOUSE. THEY MAY HAVE SMALL STORAGE IN THE BACK HALF OF THE SPACE THAT COULD BE PRODUCTS. I DON'T THINK WE'D HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE'D HAVE SOMEBODY REALLY BRINGING A SEMI WITH A BUNCH OF STUFF, ANY TYPE OF BIG LUMBER OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE A SEMI NEEDED ESSENTIALLY. WHAT WE SEE TYPICALLY IS LIKE TRIP SAID, SMALLER MEDIUM SIZED BOX TRUCKS. THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD SEE BRINGING PRODUCT OR ANYTHING IN TO THOSE BUSINESSES. >> BEHIND THAT FLEX SPACE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE CALLING GARAGE CONDO? [NOISE] WHAT IS A GARAGE CONDO? >> DO YOU WANT ME TO TAKE THIS ONE? >> YOU CAN GO AHEAD. >> SO ESSENTIALLY, WHAT WE IMAGINE THIS TO BE IS VEHICLE STORAGE, RV STORAGE. BUT IT'S ALL INDOOR, SO IT COULD BE CLASSIC CARS, PEOPLE THAT HAVE MULTIPLE CLASSIC CARS THAT MAYBE DON'T HAVE GARAGE SPACE IN THEIR HOUSE ANYMORE. IT COULD BE BOATS, RECREATIONAL VEHICLES LIKE ATVS, STUFF OF THAT NATURE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING TO SEE HOW IT GOES. >> BASICALLY IT'S A STORAGE UNIT WITH A GARAGE DOOR ON IT AS OPPOSED TO A PERSONNEL DOOR? >> CORRECT. EXACTLY. > IT MIGHT BE IN THE OTHER BUILDING. >> YOU WOULD HAVE A LARGER ROLL UP TO ALLOW ACCESS FOR HIGHER CLEARANCES LIKE BOATS AND RVS AND SO ON. >> THANK YOU. >> SO IN INDOOR TOY STORAGE? >> YEAH. LET'S GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT IT. [LAUGHTER] >> TYLER, ONE MORE COMMENT. YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH DAN, THE GARAGE CONDO SPACE, WE'RE CALLING IT CONDOS BECAUSE THOSE ARE INTENDED TO BE FOR SALE SPACES AS OPPOSED TO [OVERLAPPING] >> THESE AREN'T LEASED BY CITADEL, THEY'RE ACTUALLY SOLD. >> I THINK THAT'S STILL TO BE DETERMINED. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BOTH DIRECTIONS. I THINK WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS THE FOR SALE DIRECTION, BUT IT COULD END UP BEING SOMETHING THAT WE RENT INSTEAD. STILL UP IN THERE ON THAT RIGHT NOW. >> AGAIN, THERE'S A DEMAND. >> IT MUST BE WITH THE OTHER STORAGE FACILITY GOING UP DOWN THE ROAD RIGHT NOW. >> SO THE OTHER TWO BIG BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE SIMILAR TO THE BUILDING YOU HAVE ON 278? >> CORRECT. >> WE HAVE NOW A CLIMATE CONTROL STORAGE. >> THE REQUEST WAS MADE IN THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY THAT THE BUILDING DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THE ONE THAT'S ON 278? >> YES. >> WE WERE PROMISED THAT IT WOULD LOOK MORE LIKE WHATEVER PALMETTO BLUFF LOOKS LIKE. I'VE NOT SEEN THAT, BUT A BIG RED BUILDING STICKING IT THROUGH THE TREES. [00:50:03] >> RIGHT. I'D BE HAPPY TO BRING SOME PICTURES FOR YOU IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE WHAT WE'VE DONE IN PALMETTO BLUFF. >> I'LL TRUST YOU THAT IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE A BIG RED BUILDING. >> YES. CORRECT. WE'D BE HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE WHATEVER. >> I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT BECAUSE IT'S UGLY, I KNOW. [LAUGHTER] A PAINT JOB ON THE OTHER ONE MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE. [LAUGHTER] >> IT'S HARD TO MISS. >> YEAH, THAT'S FOR SURE. >> THAT'S FOR SURE. >> YEAH, IT'S AN EYESORE. >> WE WERE PROMISED THAT YOU WOULD CHANGE THE FACADE, TONE IT DOWN SO THAT WE WEREN'T PRESENTED WITH THAT BIG AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. >> SURE. >> YES. >> YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD TERM. >> SO I BELIEVE WE SUBMITTED ELEVATIONS WITH OUR FIGHT PLAN SUBMITTED BACK LAST SUMMER. I DON'T THINK IT'S CHANGED OR I THINK THEY [INAUDIBLE] >> THEY'RE GOOD. >> YOU LIKE THEM? A SINGLE STORY LOW COUNTRY ARCHITECTURE. >> OKAY. >> YOU DO A VERY NICE LANDSCAPE. >> THE OTHER IS [OVERLAPPING] NOT VERY NICE. >> DO THAT FOR THE OTHER ONE. >> APPLES ON AUGUST. HE CAN GO LONG. >> JUST ONE LAST NOTE ON THE TRAFFIC AS YOU MENTIONED, THE CITY COUNCIL HAD REQUIRED PREVIOUSLY WAS NO TRACT OF TRUCKLERS TURNING THE LEFT OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY ON THE ARGENT BOULEVARD. AGAIN, NO LONGER AN ISSUE. >> IT BE THOUGH. >> I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT TRUCK IN THE SITE AND THE TENANTS AREN'T GOING TO COME THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE ACCESS. I THINK THAT'LL REGULATE ITSELF, HONESTLY. >> PART OF THE PROCESS, SO THEY'LL COME THROUGH FOR SITE DEVELOPMENT, IT'S GOING TO BE DESIGNED SO THAT IT'S NOT REALLY CONDUCIVE TO TRACTOR TRAILER TRAFFIC. THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER LEVEL OF REVIEW WHEN THEY COME IN WITH ACTUAL TENANTS. THERE'S A ZONING PERMIT REVIEW, AND IF IT'S SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO REQUIRE THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS TO GET THAT ZONING PERMIT, SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. >> YOU CAN ELIMINATE TRACTOR TRAILERS GOING IN THERE. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. >> OKAY. >> BECAUSE OF THE VOLUMES ON ARGENT BOULEVARD AND THE APPROVED TRAFFIC STUDY, WE'RE STILL INTENDING TO TO CONSTRUCT THE MITIGATION, THE LEFT HAND TURN LANE COMING INTO THE SIDE AND THE RIGHT HAND TURN LANE ENTERING THE SITE, NONE, THAT THAT HAS CHANGED. >> WILL THAT BE EARLY ON OR WILL THAT HAPPEN WHEN THE LIGHT ENDS UP AT VILLAGE DRIVE? >> THAT'LL BE A CONDITION OF OUR ENCROACHMENT PERMIT WITH THE [FOREIGN] DRIVEWAY. OKAY. SO IT'LL IT'LL HAVE TO BE INSTRUCTED. >> THAT'S NICE, ACTUALLY. I'M NOT DONE. >> OH, COME ON. >> IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH ALL OF THIS EXTERIOR BUILDING LIGHTING YOU'RE GOING TO NEED AROUND YOUR CONDOS AND RV, GRAVEL PARKING LOT? IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE SOLAR LIGHTING HERE? I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF LIGHTING. THIS WOULD BE A GREAT APPLICATION FOR SOLAR LIGHTING WITH ALL THE ROOFTOP SPACE YOU HAVE. >> YEAH, I DO THINK IT'S AS THAT'S PROBABLY OUTSIDE OF MY REALM TO ANSWER THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. BUT I COULD SEE IF IT WAS PROPOSED, IT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY. >> JUST CONSIDER IT, WHICH THEN LEADS ME TO THE ONE THAT FOLLOWS RIGHT WITH IT. WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR PERMEABLE PARKING IN THIS FACILITY? I MEAN, I SEE YOU GOT THE GRAVEL LOT THERE FOR THE RV'S, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER PARKING SPACES THAT YOU HAVE ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING? I MEAN, WE HAVE RECENTLY CHANGED THE MZDO TO ADD PERMEABLE PARKING. I UNDERSTAND THIS PREDATES THAT. >> ALSO PREDATES THE MZEO BEING APPROVED. >> BUT IT'S THE INTENTION THAT WE WILL HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR PERMEABLE PARKING. IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH SOME OF THESE SPACES TO PUT IN PERMEABLE PARKING IN THE PARKING SPACES, YOU GOT AN AWFUL LOT OF HARD SPACE WITH ALL THOSE ROUGHS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. >> SURE. >> I MEAN, THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS I THINK AS A CONDITION OF THE MASTER PLAN, AND WE HAVE TO MEET WHATEVER THE ZONING REQUIRES AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL. SO WE'LL CERTAINLY DO WHATEVER IS REQUIRED. I DON'T THINK AT THIS POINT YOU ARE REQUIRED BECAUSE IT'S IN THE PDD, DOESN'T. >> IT'S WHEN THE APPLICATION COMES IN FOR THE SITE DEVELOPMENT. [00:55:02] AND THE MCDA SHOULD BE APPROVED THIS WEEK? >> SHOULD BE APPROVED THIS WEEK. >> SHOULD BE. >> PERMEABLE PARKING WILL BE SOMETHING THAT GETS BROUGHT UP AS WE GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF THE PLAN. ON THE SEWER, THERE WAS MENTION OF A FORCE MAIN, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY FORCE MAIN SHOWN ON YOUR DRAWING. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THE ORIGINAL PLAN, IN OUR INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU FOR JASPER, WAS TO PUT IN A LIFT STATION AND PUMP OVER THE DREAM SKATE DRIVE. THEY HAD AN EXISTING GRAVITY LINE. THEY CHANGED THEIR MIND ON US AND REQUIRING TO CONNECT TO A GRAVITY MAIN ON ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRIVE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF ARGENT BOULEVARD. THE PLANS THAT WE SUBMITTED FOR SITE PLAN REVIEW BACK LAST SUMMER INCLUDED THE GRAVITY SEWER CONNECTION OF JACKING BOR UNDERNEATH ARGENT BOULEVARD AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE THAT WORK. >> THIS IS A KD QUESTION, I GUESS. THERE'S A DISCUSSION OF SIGNAGE IN THIS PLAN, DOES IT COMPLY WITH OUR SIGNAGE ORDINANCES? >> IT'S STRICTER. >> SO IT WILL APPLY. >> THAT'S GOOD. >> COMMENTS ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY PROBABLY HAS NO SERIOUS IMPACT HERE, BUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY DID NOT CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE FOUR WAY TRAFFIC AT ARGENT AND THE NORTH EXIT OF SUN CITY AT SERGEANT JASPER. THAT'S GOING TO BE, A FOUR LANE INTERSECTION ON THE SUN CITY BETWEEN THE TWO SUN CITY PROPERTIES. THAT DIDN'T SHOW THAT FUTURE FOUR WAY INTERSECTION. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, AND THE LEFT TURN LANE. OTHER THAN THAT, I'M DONE. ANY FOLLOW UPS? ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY? >> I HAVE A COMMENT BUT NOT ON THIS PROJECT. >> WELL, THEN WE'LL GET TO YOU. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? >> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CONSIDERATION OF INITIAL MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT FOR PAST 080-00-03-116 AND 067-00-02-007 LOCATED OFF AGENT BOAVIDE IN THE CITY OF HIDIVILLE. AGENT TWO SUN CITY PDD. >> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> MOTION CARRIES. >> THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. >> THANK YOU. NEXT ON COMMENTS. LET'S DO PUBLIC COMMENT SINCE WE HAVE SOMEONE OUT THERE THAT WANTS TO COMMENT. >> YEAH,782 TIKTONHLL ROAD IN RIDGELAND. I'M NOT UP ON ALL OF YOUR ORDINANCES HERE, BUT I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION 6.4 CODE OF ORDINANCES, REVIEW AND DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITIES. HARDEEVILLE PLANNING COMMISSION TO UNDERTAKE A CONTINUING PLANNING PROGRAM FOR THE PHYSICAL, SOCIAL, AND ECONOMIC GROWTH, DEVELOPMENT, AND REDEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY AREA WITHIN ITS JURISDICTION. CREATIVE CHURCH IS NOT WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION CURRENTLY. >> THEY WILL BE. >> BUT YOU'RE MAKING A DETERMINATION ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION. SHOULDN'T THAT CHANGE BE DONE AT THE TIME OF THE ANNEXATION? >> NO. ZONING ZONING FALLS UNDER PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THIS IS A ZONING APPLICATION. GO AHEAD. >> THE WAY IT WORKS UNDER STATE STATE LAW. ONCE THEY MAKE THAT APPLICATION, THAT ANNEXATION PETITION, THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE ZONING ASSIGNED. WE PROCESS THE ZONING CONCURRENTLY. THE ZONING HAS TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST, BUT IT WILL GO TO COUNCIL TOGETHER, [01:00:01] SO NO DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE, JUST A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT. IF IT DOES NOT GET ANNEXED, IT WON'T BE ZONED, SO THAT COUNSEL MAKES THAT DETERMINATION. NOT PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY'RE JUST RECOMMENDING. >> THE PLANNING COMMISSION HERE DOES NOT MAKE DOES NOT MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ANNEXATION? >> NO. AS WAS STATED, JUST ON THE ZONING BOARD. >> OKAY. RICHMOND DOES IT AT THIS POINT. >> EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN WAY. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> NOW, FOR THE PLANNING MANAGER'S REPORTS. >> KATIE GAVE ME ASSIGNMENTS. >> I DID. >> YES, SHE DOES. SHE KEEPS ME STRAIGHT. AS WAS JUST BLURTED OUT BY ME, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR BLURTING OVER THERE IN THE CORNER. THE MCDO DOES GO FOR A SECOND READING TOMORROW EVENING BEFORE EXCUSE ME, CITY COUNCIL. WE ARE HOPING THAT ALL GOES WELL. AT THAT POINT IT WILL BE EFFECTIVE AS OF THE DATE THAT THEY PUT ON THERE, WHICH SHOULD BE FRIDAY MORNING, WILL BE OUR EFFECTIVE DATE, AND WE WILL BE MOVING FORWARD THAT THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP WILL BE INCLUDED WITH THAT AND WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR FOLKS IN ABOUT A WEEK OR SO, BUT WE HAVE IT ON COMPUTER, BUT NOT AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO DISSEMINATE IT. >> HAVE THERE BEEN ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES SINCE LAST WE SAW IT? >> NO. JUST FINALIZING THAT STORM WATER WHICH MR. BROWN DID GIVE TO YOU THAT PRESENTATION AND WE'RE JUST MOVING ON FROM THERE. COUNSEL HAS BEEN VERY PLEASED WITH THE WORK OF PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF. THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT NOW, EFFECTIVE AS OF THIS PAST MONDAY, ARE TWO SEPARATE DEPARTMENTS. WE'RE DOING THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE MZDO THAT GIVES THE STAFF, INCLUDING MYSELF, MORE OF ABILITY TO WORK ON THESE LONG RANGE PLANS AND OTHER SPECIAL PROJECTS AND EVERYTHING. IT TURNED OUT THAT WE WERE DOING A LOT OF ADMINISTRATIVE WORK COVERING THE BIGGER THAT WAS REALLY WHAT IT WAS TURNING INTO. AMOUNT OF WORKLOAD THAT WE HAD FOR BUILDING AND PLANNING. WE'RE BOTH VERY BUSY AND CAN HANDLE IT ON OUR OWN. SANDY OLIVER IS NOW THE DEPARTMENT HEAD, OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL. SHE'S NOW THE DEPARTMENT HEAD FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. WITH THAT, MS. JENNIFER'S LAST PLANNING COMMISSION IS TODAY. UNLESS WE NEED HER TO FILL IN, WE MIGHT HAVE TO JEN'S GOING THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. ASHLEY MOODY, WHO WAS OUR PERMIT TECH FOR YEARS AND HAS DONE PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE, IS COMING BACK. SHE'S GOING TO BE OUR PLANNING TECH. MICHELLE STORTO IS GOING TO MOVE INTO ASHLEY'S ROLE AS A PERMIT TECH AS WELL. LOTS OF CHANGES. WE STILL ARE IN MUCH NEED OF A SENIOR PLANNER. WE'VE RE UPPED THE AD, WE'RE FEATURING IT, AND WE FINALLY GOT SOMEWHAT OF A GOOD APPLICATION IN. WE'RE GOING TO BE HOPEFULLY INTERVIEWING THAT PERSON SOON. I WANT TO SAY KNEE DEEP, BUT WE'RE NECK DEEP IN BUDGET PROCESS OR BOTH. SANDY AND I ARE WORKING TOGETHER ON A LOT OF THESE POLICIES AND BUDGETS AND OTHER THINGS. WE ARE INTERTWINED DEPARTMENTS. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A CLEAN BREAK THAT IT CAN'T BE BECAUSE OF OUR PROCESSES. ALL OF THAT'S VERY GOOD. ON THAT SAME NOTE, WE HAVE AN INTERNAL GROUP WORKING ON WHITE HARDEE BOULEVARD GETTING A PROPOSAL ON DOING SOME ENGINEERING. AT THE SAME TIME, THE CITY MANAGER, AND THOSE ARE WORKING WITH SOME PUBLIC, PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP OPTIONS ON SOME DEVELOPMENT FOR WHITE HARDEE BOULEVARD AND SOME OTHER THINGS. THERE'S A LOT HAPPENING THERE. AS US MOVING TOWARDS THE FIRST THING WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH WITH WHITE HARDEE BOULEVARD IS TRAFFIC CALMING. CLEAN UP WILL HAPPEN, BUT WE'VE GOT TO SLOW THAT TRAFFIC DOWN SO THAT WE CAN ENTICE FOLKS, AND FINALLY FOLLOWING UP ON THAT. MATT MENTIONED THE ONE MEETING THAT'S GOING ON AS FAR AS TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING OVER AT THE REC CENTER NEXT WEEK, [01:05:01] BUT ALSO, WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE POLICE CHIEF AND PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. ON A SAFETY SUMMIT TO LOOK AT SOME SAFETY OPTIONS AND SOME GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE THERE FOR SOME WORK. WE ARE GOING TO TRY OUR BEST TO USE WHITE HARDEE BOULEVARD TO GET SOME FUNDING THERE FOR SOME DEMONSTRATION PROJECTS ON THAT SAME NOTE. >> WHO DETERMINED SPEED LIMITS? >> BOY, I WAS THINKING EXACTLY. >> SCDOT. >> I GOT TO TELL YOU 17 WHITE BOULEVARD AND 278, THE SPEED LIMIT IS A SUGGESTION. >> ARGENT ROAD. >> I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE POLICE CHIEF HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT, WORKING WITH DOT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. THAT IS PART OF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON AS WELL. AS YOU DO THESE LANDSCAPE MEDIANS. AS YOU DO SOME OF THE DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES, IT DOES SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE SOME OF THE PAVEMENT. THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO, BUT IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS. >> I KNOW BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST CAME DOWN HERE 11 YEARS AGO, SPEED LIMIT REALLY WASN'T THAT BIG A CONCERN BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE NOW. HARDEEVILLE HAS GROWN. NO, DON'T TELL ANYONE. BUT I MEAN, THEY USED TO SAY, ESPECIALLY WITH 278, OH, WELL IT'LL CALM DOWN AFTER THE SEASON. THERE IS NO SEASON, THERE USED TO BE A SEASON ON THE ISLAND, BUT NOW THERE'S A PERMANENT SEASON OFF ISLAND. >> JUST GET ON 170 AT 4:00 IN THE AFTERNOON. >> WE'RE GETTING OLDER AND I DON'T SEE AS WELL AS I USED TO. >> I'M NOT GOING TO TOUCH THESE COMMENTS. >> NO, I'M JUST SAYING IT REALLY DOES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. >> IT IS, I PROMISE YOU. IT'S BEING WORKED ON. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OF AND WE'RE JUST WORKING WITH THE RIGHT ENTITIES. >> YEAH, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES A WEEK ON FACEBOOK. WELL, THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT ARE AT THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT, SUCH AND SUCH EVERY DAY. >> LET'S WISH JEN WILL AND HER PERMIT TECH, BUT SHE'S NOT REALLY GOING AWAY, SHE'S STILL GOING TO BE WITH US. >> TRAITOR. >> SHE DIDN'T SEE. >> GOING TO THE DOCK SIDE. >> WE LIKE IT BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S CROSS TRAINED NOW. EVERYBODY. JUST A FEW UPDATES FROM STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE BECAUSE BRANNA AND MATT TOUCHED ON ALL THE TRANSPORTATION STUFF WE'VE GOT GOING. WE HAD A PROJECT UP 46 BETWEEN PLANTATION AND JENKINS CALLED THE GROVE. IT WENT TO BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS TWO YEARS AGO FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS FOR SOME USES, AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE BUILDING SOME DUPLEXES ON THE PROPERTY. IT'S A INFILL PROJECT. WE HAVE UNITED RESOURCES IS GOING TO START CONSTRUCTION VERY SOON HERE. I THINK THEY STARTED INSTALLING THEIR EROSION CONTROL. IT'S ONE OF OUR TENANTS IN THE HARDEEVILLE COMMERCE PARK, SO IT IS OFF OF THE NEW PROSPER PARKWAY. CHRIS HAS A PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING FRIDAY, SO WE KNOW THEY'LL BE GETTING UNDERWAY PRETTY SOON HERE. THEN THERE'S A PROJECT ON WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD WHERE THE HOTEL BURNED DOWN. IT IS GOING TO BE CALLED SITE 1. IT IS A LANDSCAPING COMPANY, BUT THEY JUST STARTED MOVING SOME GROUND. THEY'RE GOING TO FIX UP THAT OLD CHINESE RESTAURANT AND GIVE IT A NEW FACE AND PUT SOME OFFICES IN THERE AND HAVE THAT SITE FUNCTION FOR THEIR LANDSCAPE COMPANY. IT SHOULD LOOK A LOT BETTER THAN THE OLD NIGHTS IN PROPERTY LOOK. >> I ASSUME THAT FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL GET INVOLVED IN THEIR APPROVAL. >> ALREADY DONE. >> SINCE THEY SELL LANDSCAPE CHEMICALS OBVIOUSLY. >> THEY AREN'T AS FOCUSED ON THE CHEMICAL SIDE, BUT THOSE FIRE MARSHALS INVOLVED IN EVERY STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING, AND THAT'S ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT, AND IF THERE IS ANY STORAGE NEEDS, THEN THEY ARE ADDRESSING THAT THROUGH THE STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE PROCESS AND THE FIRE MARSHAL. >> BECAUSE THERE IS A SITE 1 FACILITY DOWN IN PLANTATION PARK. I THINK IT IS. >> YEAH. UNDERSTOOD, IT'S NOT THE SAME FUNCTION. IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. RANA, CHRIS AND I HAVE ALL BEEN INVOLVED SINCE THEY FIRST CAME. WE A LITTLE HAD SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS AS YOU [01:10:04] HAVE AND THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF NEED FOR THIS AREA. >> NO STORAGE CONTAINERS? >> NO. IT'S NOT ALLOWED ON WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD. >> WHY NO? >> BUT NO. THEN TWO OF THE PROJECTS THAT YOU RECENTLY REVIEWED, THE FARM WELL. THE FARMHOUSE IMP I THINK YOU REVIEWED IN SEPTEMBER. BUT THAT FINALLY RECEIVED APPROVAL THROUGH CITY COUNCIL, SO THEY WILL BE PROCEEDING ONTO SRC WHEN THEY ARE READY. THEN YOU APPROVED THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE COMMERCE PARK BETWEEN EXIT 5 AND THE FUTURE EXIT 3. THOSE HAVE BEEN APPROVED AS WELL, SO WE WILL BE SEEING THOSE PROPERTIES PROBABLY GETTING COMBINED AND HAVING SOME MORE DEVELOPMENT GO IN THAT AREA. >> ALL THREE ARE THE SAME NOW? >> YES. WHICH ARE NOW THE SAME AS MOST OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE COMMERCE PARK. THAT'S HELPING CLEAN UP SOME OF THAT IMAGE AND CONFUSION BACK THERE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU KATIE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. I'VE BEEN SEEING SOME ADVERTISEMENTS POP UP RECENTLY IN VARIOUS PLACES ABOUT EXIT 3, MAYBE NOT HAPPENING, IS THAT JUST SOMEBODY TRYING TO STIR SOMETHING UP? >> I RECEIVED THE SAME THING AND BRANDA AND I ARE IN A NUMBER OF MEETINGS WITH SCDOT AND WE DO NOT HAVE THE SAME OPINION ON THAT. SO WE DO NOT SEE ANY ISSUES WITH EXIT 3 MOVING FORWARD. >> SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO STIR SOMETHING UP. >> JASPER JOBS, IS THE ONE OR JOBS FOR JASPER IS THE ONE. >> IF THAT'S WHAT SHOWS UP IN THERE. YEAH. WHY WOULD THEY BE SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN? >> THERE IS TEXT MESSAGES AND SIGNS AND EVERYTHING THAT KEEP POPPING UP. BUT THAT IS IF DOT HAS BEEN MEETING WITH THE CITY REGULARLY AND IT IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE WIDENING UP TO 95. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS. I HAVE ONE. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY? >> YEAH. I'VE GOT A COUPLE. >> GO AHEAD. >> AS YOU KNOW, WE RECOMMEND ON APPROVAL OF THE CAR TRACK. I JUST WANTED TO LET THE COMMISSION MEMBERS KNOW. I'M STILL WORKING ON GETTING APPROVAL OR SOMEHOW ACCESS AND PROTECTION OF THAT CRASH SITE. THE MIGHTY EIGHTH MUSEUM IS NOW INVOLVED, AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO SENATOR GRAHAM'S OFFICE. THAT SITE NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED AND MEMORIALIZED. BECAUSE IF YOU READ THE BROCKINGTON REPORT, THEY HINT THAT THERE ARE SIX BODIES OUT THERE, THAT MAKES IT A CEMETERY. UNDER SOUTH CAROLINA LAW, CEMETERIES REQUIRE ACCESS. I'M NOT GETTING MUCH RESPONSE FROM THE DEVELOPER, BUT I'M NOT GIVING UP BECAUSE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. NOW ON WRITE A NOTE, NEXT MONTH, THE 13TH AND 14TH OF MARCH, THE WREATHS ACROSS AMERICA MOBILE EDUCATION EXHIBIT IS GOING TO BE HERE IN HERDYVILLE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE BACK HERE FOR TWO DAYS. IT'S A TREMENDOUS EXHIBIT. I TRIED TO TALK TO THEM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN THEY WERE IN BUFORD AND THEY WERE BOOKED UP FOR SEVEN YEARS. I GOT A CALL LAST WEEK FROM THE MOBILE EDUCATION DIRECTOR. SHE SAYS, I'VE GOT TWO DATES IF HERDYVILLE IS INTERESTED. MY COMMENT WAS HELL, YES, I GOT A HOLE OF JENNIFER AT PARKS AND REC AND MEL, AND WE WORKED, AND IN TWO DAYS, GET TENTATIVE APPROVAL. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IS THE PERMIT WAS APPROVED THIS MORNING. WE'RE GOOD TO GO NEXT MONTH, AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE, NOT ONLY IS IT AN EDUCATION ABOUT REC CROSS AMERICA, BUT IT WILL GET THE INFORMATION OUT TO THE WHOLE AREA. THE FRIENDS OF REC CROSS AMERICA GROUP THAT WORKS HERE IN HERDYVILLE. WE'LL HAVE A TABLE SET UP OUTSIDE THE, IT'S A BIG TRAILER. WE'LL BE SET UP WITH INFORMATION. I'M PUTTING TOGETHER SOME PHOTOGRAPHS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT AT THE CEMETERIES OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, AS WELL AS DURING THE CLEAN UP. I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO COME SEE IT. [01:15:02] IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY AND JASPER COUNTY. >> I ASSUME YOU'LL HAVE SIGN UPS TO PURCHASE REC FOR [INAUDIBLE]. >> MOST DEFINITELY. >> I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU WOULD. >> THAT'S A GIVEN MARK. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> I HAVE NOTHING. >> KATIE, I'VE GOT JUST ONE REQUEST. AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST, YOU GAVE US THIS NICE SPREADSHEET OF THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PIPELINE. CAN WE UPDATE IT? BECAUSE WE'VE APPROVED A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF. >> THE DEPUTY MANAGER KEEPS THAT UP TO DATE EVERY MONTH. I WILL MAKE SURE YOU GET IT. >> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I GOT. >> MOVE WE ADJOURN. MR. SECOND IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> MOTION CARRIES. WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.