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YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY, EARLY START AND A MONDAY MORNING.I HOPE EVERYONE HAD A GOOD WEEKEND.
UM, I'M GONNA CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
[I. CALL TO ORDER]
CITY OF HARDY CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP 2 0 5 MAIN STREET, HARDY V, SOUTH CAROLINA 2 9 9 2 7.MONDAY, JANUARY 22ND, 2024 AT 10:00 AM SO AGAIN, THIS IS A WORKSHOP, SO THE RULES OF ORDER ARE RELAXED.
WE WILL, UM, AS IS OUR APPAREL.
SO, UH, JUST REMIND EVERYBODY, UM, THERE IS NO ORDER OF SPEAKING.
JUST BE SURE TO WAIT TILL THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER HAS COMPLETED THEIR THOUGHTS.
SO, AT THIS TIME, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MIKE.
[II. MANAGERS REPORT]
TODAY.[A. PROPOSED MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE BY HILLTOP DEVELOPMENT]
A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE.UM, WE DO HAVE MISS KATIE HERE FOR A BRIEF, UM, UNVEILING.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE.
AND THEN THAT THIS IS KEEPING, STAYING WITH THE COUNCIL'S PROCEDURE ABOUT AFTER PLAN COMMISSION APPROVAL GOES TO THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL FOR A WORKSHOP.
MORE OF AN INFORMATIVE WORKSHOP.
WE HAVE MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE MULTIFAMILY.
THIS IS AN, AN APPLICATION FOR AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN, UM, IS LOCATED WITHIN THE COASTAL LAND TRACK PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WHICH IS KIND OF, UM, WHERE THE HOSPITAL IS.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M NOT, I'M MISSING ONE SLIDE, BUT, UM,
THEN YOU HAVE THE HOTELS I 95 EXIT EIGHT AND 2 78 HERE.
UM, CAN WE GET, IT'S SKIPPING.
SORRY, I'M MISSING EVERY OTHER SLIDE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GET ALL THE INFORMATION.
UM, AGAIN, I'LL FAST FORWARD TO HERE.
SO THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED, UM, ON A PRIMARILY WOODED LOT HERE, UM, BEHIND THE HAMPTON INN AND FAIRFIELD INN PROPERTIES ON MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE.
YOU HAD A COPY OF THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN, UM, IN YOUR PACKETS, AND IT SHOWS THE PROPOSED LAYOUT.
THERE IS A FOUR ACRE COMMERCIAL PIECE UP AT THE FRONT ALONG MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE, AND THEN THERE ARE TWO ACCESS POINTS FOR THE, UM, MULTIFAMILY AREA.
AND THE AMENITY AREAS ARE IN THIS AREA OF THE PROPERTY HERE.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, THE 4.8 ACRE FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PARCEL.
THE LAND USE ELEMENT AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT BOTH ENCOURAGE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY FOR HOUSING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE HOSPITAL SCHOOLS, HOTELS IN I 95, UM, WHICH WOULD BE AN INCREASED ACCESS TO LOCAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES, UM, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AND REDUCE OVERALL COMMUTING DISTANCE FOR AND COSTS FOR RESIDENTS.
THE OPEN SPACE AND CONNECTIVITY PLAN IS SHOWN HERE.
THERE ARE SIDEWALKS AND PATHWAYS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WE DID ASK THE APPLICANT TO PLAN TO CONNECT THE SIDEWALK TO THE SIDEWALK THAT THE CITY IS PUTTING IN ALONG MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE, AND THEY HAVE AGREED TO EXTEND THAT UP ALONG THE FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY AS WELL.
THE PERIMETER BUFFER THAT'S REQUIRED IN THE PDD IS 25 FEET, AND THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED, UM, WITH A 20 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE INTERNAL ROADS.
THE PROPOSED PLAN DOES EXCEED THAT REQUIREMENT, UM, AND IT DOES REQUIRE MINIMUM OPEN SPACE OF 50% FOR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS.
THERE IS NO MINIMUM ACTIVE OPEN SPACE IN THE COASTAL LAND TRACK.
PDD PLANNING COMMISSION DID REVIEW THIS AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, UM, WITH NO CONDITIONS.
AND I AM GOING TO INTRODUCE CONNOR BLANEY AT THIS TIME TO ADD ANY INFORMATION THAT HE'D LIKE TO ADD IF YOU NEED THE CLEARANCE THERE.
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CONNOR BLANEY WITH WARD EDWARDS ENGINEERING.UM, KATIE, THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT INTRODUCTION.
UM, AS KATIE MENTIONED, THIS IS NEAR EXIT EIGHT.
IT'S A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN THE COASTAL LAND.
TRACKED PUD, UM, THE DEVELOPER'S HILLPOINT.
IT'S A PRODUCT AND A DEVELOPER THAT'S DONE, UH, OTHER, UH, QUALITY RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT COMPLEXES, UM, ACROSS THE EAST COAST.
THEY HAVEN'T DONE TOO MANY IN SOUTH CAROLINA, BUT THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET INTEGRATED NOT ONLY IN SOUTH CAROLINA, BUT THIS AREA SPECIFICALLY, UM, MOST FAMILIAR, 1200 NORTH OAK D WAS THE SAME PRODUCT, SAME DEVELOPER, WHICH IS IN CURRENTLY IN THE DESIGN PROCESS.
UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MAY HAVE.
UM, YOU'RE ALL SET WITH YOUR STORM WATER RETENTION.
SO THAT HAS BEEN PART OF THE MASTER PLAN FOR PRELIMINARY SIZING.
UM, THE FINAL DETAILS OF THAT WILL BE WHEN WE GET INTO THE ACTUAL CALCULATIONS THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS.
UM, BUT ALL THE INITIAL, UH, ASPECTS OF ALLOCATING ENOUGH AREA HAS BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS A TIME TO ASK THIS QUESTION, BUT THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING REAL HARD FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN AND OTHER APARTMENT THAT WE HAVE APPROVED HAVE AGREED TO, UM, MAKE SOME TYPE OF ARRANGEMENT.
UM, FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE, THE DEVELOPMENT FOR FIRST RESPONDERS AT EITHER A REDUCED RATE OR A MORE AFFORDABLE RATE, WE WANNA ATTRACT POLICEMEN, FIREMEN, TEACHERS, NURSES, ALL THOSE FIRST RESPONDERS.
IS WILL THIS BE AVAILABLE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE.
I KNOW HILLPOINT, THE DEVELOPER, THEY HAVE FOUND ON OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, THEY ENCOURAGE AND LIKE TO HAVE, UM, POLICE OFFICERS AND THAT, THAT TYPE OF PERSONNEL ON SITE LIVING IN THOSE UNITS.
UM, AND I KNOW ON OTHER PROJECTS THEY'VE ACTUALLY A ALLOWED, UM, I THINK RENT FREE FOR A POLICE OFFICER IN THE COMPLEX THAT WAS PROMOTED IN THE 1200 DEVELOPMENT.
I'M SURE THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WOULD ALSO BE WILLING TO CONSIDER HERE AS WELL.
'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THIS IS ALL PUT DOWN INTO WRITING BEFORE THIS COMES TO COUNSEL.
SO IT'S, THERE'S NOTHING DOWN THE ROAD THAT THERE WOULD BE ANY CONFUSION FOR.
UM, THIS LOOKS LIKE A REALLY NICE PROJECT AND IN A, IN A GOOD LOCATION, UH, IN SEVERAL WAYS AND LIKE EVERYTHING IS BAD LOCATION IN OTHER WAYS, BUT THAT'S BE THAT AS, AS IT MAY, UM, THESE APARTMENTS ARE FROM, I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE, UM, BUILDINGS.
SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE TYPICAL APARTMENT BUILDINGS WHERE IT'S ONE BUILDING, COUPLE FLOORS.
HOW, HOW MANY, UH, EACH BUILDING PROPOSED IN THIS DEVELOPMENT IS A THREE STORY BUILDING AT A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 42 FEET, NINE INCHES.
SO, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE I'M LOOKING AT THE MAPS.
AND, UM, I'M ALSO LOOKING AT THE PARKING, WHICH IS RIGHT OUT.
AND THIS IS A TYPICAL KIND OF APARTMENT BUILDING.
THE, ARE THERE SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THIS OR IS IT JUST, UM, ARE THERE SIDEWALKS? YEAH, SO THE, THE PLAN RIGHT ON THE SCREEN, EVERYTHING THOSE RED LINES ACROSS ALL THE FRONTAGE OF THE PARKING IS PROPOSED SIDEWALKS FOR INTERCONNECTED.
SO, UH, THE, I HAVE THE, THE MAP I'M LOOKING AT HAS LIKE A SALMON COLOR.
IS THAT WHERE THE SIDEWALKS ARE? SO THE, SO THE SIDEWALKS YES.
ARE ALL OF THE YEAH, ALL OF THOSE.
SO IN ALL OF THOSE ON PAGE 15 ON MY MAP, IT'S, IT'S A SALMON COLORED.
AND ALL THE POCKET PARKS ARE ON ONE SIDE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
UH, THE DEVELOPER TRIED TO CONCENTRATE THE POCKET PARKS AROUND THE AMENITIES SUCH AS THE, UH, MAIL KIOSK, THE, UH, CLUBHOUSE AND, AND POOL RECREATION AREA.
UM, THERE ARE GONNA BE OPEN AREAS SUCH AS LIKE BETWEEN THESE BUILDINGS THAT COULD HELP PROMOTE LIKE A PICNIC TABLE AND BENCHES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT ACTUAL OPEN PARKS ARE CON CONCENTRATED BY THE MAIN AMENITIES AREA.
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SO THAT, THAT BUILDING OVER ON THE RIGHT, THAT IS SEPARATES POCKET PARK A AND B, THAT'S WHERE THE AMENITY CENTER IS? THAT IS CORRECT.THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE, RIGHT, IS THE MAIN AMENITY, AMENITY, UH, BUILDING CLUBHOUSE.
THIS AREA IS ALLOCATED FOR THE, UH, POOL.
UM, PARKS, SIDEWALKS, APARTMENTS NEAR THE HOSPITAL.
UM, FOLLOW UP ON STEVE'S QUESTION THOUGH.
UM, THE, I REMEMBER IT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN MIKE AND I FIRST WERE APPROACHED ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE, BUT, UM, STEVE TALKED ABOUT THE FIRST RESPONDERS, BUT, UH, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT ANY COLLABORATION WITH THE HOSPITAL IN TERMS OF NURSING HOUSING? I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT AND WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE DEVELOPER TO ANSWER THAT.
SPECIFICALLY ONE OF, AND WORKING WITH THE CEOS OF THE HOSPITALS, AND OF COURSE THIS IS GONNA BE NOVANT.
UM, BUT WORKING WITH BOTH BEAUFORT AND WHAT WAS TENANT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD IS THE PROBLEM IN RECRUITING NURSES IN THIS AREA IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE.
AND SO POOLER HAS MUCH MORE AVAILABILITY OF APARTMENTS THAN HARDY V DOES AND, OR THIS WHOLE AREA.
UM, AND YOUNG NURSES ARE CHOOSING TO GO THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY SPOTS ARE OPEN IN OUR HOSPITAL FOR NURSES.
UM, I'M GONNA MAKE A REQUEST AND PERHAPS BEFORE FIRST READING, YOU CAN, UH, REACH OUT TO RYAN LEE OF COASTAL CAROLINA HOSPITAL AND ALL, YOU KNOW, AND NOW THEY'RE UNDERGOING A CHANGE.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY CAN TALK, BUT I, I, I'D LIKE YOU TO AT LEAST REACH OUT TO 'EM OR THE DEVELOPER TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND SEE IF THERE IS SOME WAY THAT WE COULD DESIGNATE, UM, SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR NURSES WHO WORK AT THE HOSPITAL.
ANYONE ELSE? I DO HAVE ONE MORE, UH, FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
UH, GIVEN THE PROXIMITY OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT TO 95 AND THE EXIT RAMP AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IS ALL THAT CHANGES IS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING BUILT INTO THE PROJECT FOR NOISE DEADENING BETWEEN, UH, THE INTERSTATE AND YOUR PROJECT? UM, SO THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL PROPOSED NOISE ABATEMENT PROPOSED FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT ONE THING WE DID ACCOUNT FOR IN THE LAND PLANNING IS WE DIDN'T PUT ANY OF THE BUILDINGS ALONG I 95 AND WE CHANGED THE ORIENTATION SUCH THAT THE EDGE.
SO NO, NO UNITS ARE FACING IT, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A PARKING, THE CLOSEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING IS OVER 180 FEET FROM THE ACTUAL I 95 ROAD.
UM, AND THEN THE ORIENTATION, WE, WE DON'T EXPECT, UM, THERE TO BE NOISE, UH, ISSUES INTERNAL, UM, BUT ALSO HILL POINT'S CONFIDENT IN THEIR QUALITY OF PRODUCT, UM, IN WHICH THEIR INSULATION SHOULD ABATE THE NOISES WHEN YOU'RE INSIDE.
'CAUSE IT'S ALSO A VISIBILITY ISSUE FROM, UH, THE INTERSTATE, THE GREEN AREA THERE BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND THE, UH, DOT RIGHT OF WAY.
WHAT TYPE OF PLANTINGS DO THEY PROPOSE TO HAVE IN THERE? I MEAN, BUSHES, JUST GRASS.
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT GREEN EDGE ALONG THE NORTH OF THIS PLAN IS AN UNDISTURBED BUFFER.
RIGHT NOW IT'S, UM, MAINLY PLANTED PINES WITH SOME OTHER NATIVE SPECIES THAT SHOULD REMAIN UNDISTURBED.
UM, THE DEVELOPER CAN ENHANCE THAT WITH ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS, BUT THE EXISTING FOLIAGE IS NOT TO BE REMOVED WITHIN THAT MAP, NOT TO BE REMOVED.
WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THAT? DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE IT'S 25 FEET.
UM, AND THEN OUTSIDE OF THAT, THE ROAD IS A GOOD BIT 'CAUSE THE RIGHT OF WAY FROM 95 IS VERY LARGE AS WELL.
THE, UM, IT'S ON, ON THAT MAP OF, ON PAGE 16, STEVE, YOU'LL SEE IT BETTER.
IT'S 25 FEET AND IN THE ROAD, AND THEN THE PARKING LOT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE BUILDINGS.
VISIBILITY FROM THE INTERSTATE, YOU KNOW, UH, KEEP IT, NOBODY WANTS TO LOOK AT A PARKING LOT JUST STRAIGHT OFF THE INTERSTATE AND I DON'T THINK THAT THE FOLKS IN THE APARTMENTS
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WANT THAT EITHER.SO AS LONG AS THERE'S A GONNA BE A BUFFER THERE AND YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE THE EXISTING TREES AND MAYBE ADD MORE PLANTINGS, I'M FINE WITH THAT THEN.
SO, UM, GOING OFF OF WHAT THE MAYOR AND MR. MESMAN SAID, SO IT IS A 25 FOOT, UM, PERIMETER PER THE PUD SETBACKS, CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO BECAUSE I DID GO AND HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE COASTAL PUD, UH, INGHAM MAJI.
SO, AND HE CALLS FOR A 25 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK, UH, AROUND THE PARAMETER OF THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
UH, TREE PRESERVATION, YOU JUST SAID, UH, WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE.
UM, I NOTICED TWO DUMPSTERS, TWO LOCATIONS FOR DUMPSTERS FOR 360 UNITS.
HOW OFTEN WILL THE TRASH BE REMOVED? BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT CREEPY CRAWLIES BACK THERE WITH TRASH PILING UP.
EACH DUMPSTER PAD LOCATION IS GOING TO BE A DOUBLE WIDE, SO IT CAN HANDLE TWO DUMPSTERS.
UM, AS FAR AS THE FREQUENCY OF THE PROGRAMMING OF HOW OFTEN THEY EXPECT THOSE TO NEED TO BE PICKED, EMPTIED OUT, PICKED UP AND EMPTIED.
UM, I'M NOT SURE I, I CAN CHECK WITH THE DEVELOPER AND, AND COME BACK WITH THAT RESPONSE.
UM, SO THERE'S A TOTAL OF 360 UNITS.
HOW MUCH, HOW MANY OF THESE ARE ONE BED, TWO BED, THREE BED? AND WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ROUGHLY? UM, HILLPOINT, WHAT, WHAT THEY'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH IS A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PROPOSED UNITS ARE TWO BED, TWO BATH, TWO BED, TWO BATH.
AND OF COURSE, IT'S ALL FOR RENTAL.
UM, TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING, UH, ACCORDING TO THE PUD, IT SAYS THAT THERE WILL BE TWO TWO SLOTS PER RESID PER UNIT.
UM, LANDSCAPING, LANDSCAPING MEDIANS AND ALL OF THAT FUN STUFF.
AND THERE WILL BE A FOUNDATION BUFFER OF AT LEAST EIGHT FEET WIDE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE PUD STATED AS WELL.
SO IS THAT TRANSLATING IN HERE? I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE SPECIFICALLY LABELED IT, BUT I CAN COMMIT THAT EVERY BUILDING WILL HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER TO SEAT THAT.
SO, UM, THE OUTSIDE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS, ARE THEY GOING ON TOP OF YOUR ROOF OR ARE THEY DOWN BELOW? UM, I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN, BUT I KNOW HILLPOINT IN THE PAST IS LIKELY GOING TO PROPOSE HIM TO BE IN FRONT ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITH ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AROUND, AROUND IT.
AND THE MAYOR COVERED THE SIDEWALK THING, TREE PRESERVATIONS POCKET BOX.
IS THIS GOING TO BE BILLED AS ONE OR ARE YOU GONNA BUILD THIS IN PHASES? THE DEVELOPER'S PROPOSING TO BUILD AND CLOSE OUT THIS ENTIRE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF, OF THE PROPOSED WORK IN A SINGLE PHASE.
THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL WORK OR WHAT'S SHOWN AS THAT WHITE FUTURE AREA.
I JUST, MY, MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT, SO THERE WILL BE NO OCCUPANCY OF ANY OF THE APARTMENTS UNTIL THE, THE, THE PROJECTS IS COMPLETED.
CORRECT? THAT'S THE PROPOSED PLAN.
THAT SHOULD BE INCORPORATED IN THE PLAN.
UM, I'LL TALK TO THE DEVELOPER ABOUT SIGNAGE SAFETY ASPECTS.
OFTENTIMES WE DO LIKE A, UM, A FOUR FOOT FENCE AROUND IT, JUST FOR AN EXTRA LAYER OF SAFETY.
UM, BUT I'LL HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER.
ANYONE ELSE? I THINK WE'RE DONE.
THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
THAT'S WHY THAT'S A GOOD PROJECT AND A GOOD SPOT.
IT'S, IT'S A TYPE OF, UM, TYPE OF PROJECT WE NEED NEED.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY THE, THE, THE BIG, ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS THAT WE FACE IS LIKE THE COTTAGES THAT ARE GOING UP NOW, THESE ARE ALL MARKET PRICES
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AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'LL, THE MARKET WILL DEMAND WHAT THE MARKET CAN GET AND THAT NOT, MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE FIT THE NEED OF, OF YOUNG NURSES, FOR EXAMPLE.BUT WITH TWO EVERYTHING, TWO BEDROOM, THERE'S A THE POTENTIAL FOR SHARING.
UM, ALSO, IF WE CAN GET THIS TEMPLATE TOGETHER THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND, AND SET ASIDE FOR SOME, FOR NURSES AND, AND, UH, TEACHERS AND, AND POLICE AND FIRE, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY THE YOUNG PEOPLE COMING INTO THE AREA AND GETTING INTO THE, THEIR PROFESSIONS.
UM, THIS, THIS IS COULD BE A GREAT LOCATION.
I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THEY'RE DOING THIS AS A SINGLE PHASE.
IS THE, THE COTTAGES THAT CONTINUE TO PROGRESS, ARE THEY JUST ONE PHASE OR THEY, DID THEY START RENTING YET? THEY UM, THEY ARE DOING MULTIPLE PHASES.
I BELIEVE THERE WERE LIKE SIX ORIGINALLY, BUT THEY MAY HAVE CHANGED THEIR PHASING A LITTLE BIT.
BUT YEAH, THEY'LL BE DOING MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE PHASES.
THE FIRST PHASE IS ALMOST TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'LL BE DOING SOME RENTING, DOING
AND I'VE HEARD RUMORS THAT THAT COULD GO FOR 2000, 2200.
WHAT HAVE, WHAT HAVE WE HEARD ABOUT THAT? I'VE BEEN RESEARCHING THIS
SO I'M LOOKING AT ALL, ALL OPTIONS.
UM, THEY ARE, THEY STATE NOW, AND IN MY CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE, UM, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FOLKS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO START SHOWING AND LEASING.
THEY SERVE VIRTUAL NOW, BUT ONLY VIRTUAL AS OF FEBRUARY 1ST.
UM, I'M HEARING FROM THE INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT, THAT MIGHT BE A WEEK OR TWO OFF, BUT, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING TO START THAT FIRST GROUP OF, OF, OF LEASES HERE SOON.
UM, THEIR PRICES ARE NOT MUCH HIGH.
THEY'RE, I WILL SAY, COMPARED TO MY APARTMENT IN BLUFFTON, THEY ARE SLIGHTLY LOWER, SLIGHTLY BUT VERY, VERY, UM, VERY CLOSE.
AND SO YES, THE, THE 14 MIGHT BE A LITTLE LOW, BUT, BUT NOT MUCH.
SO IN THAT RANGE, IT'S NOT THE 2020 200 THAT I HEARD FROM SOME REALTORS.
THOSE, THOSE ARE 42 BEDROOMS WITH GARAGE MUCH BIGGER, MUCH LARGER.
THOSE ARE THE, THE TWO, TWO AND THREE BEDROOMS ARE, ARE, ARE 2000 TO 2,500 EASY.
SO, AND IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT THE MARKET IS BEARING NOW? THE BURN? YES.
SEE THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE.
UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING TO SET ASIDE, COME UP WITH A PROGRAM TO SET ASIDE FOR PARTICULARLY YOUNG PEOPLE COMING INTO OUR AREA WHO WANNA WORK IN THIS AREA AND LIVE IN THIS AREA, UM, THEY, THOSE MARKET PRICES ARE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA DRIVE SOME PEOPLE AWAY.
I'M NOT PROUD TO SAY IT, BUT I'M PAYING SIMILAR TO WHAT I WAS PAYING FOR MY MORTGAGE, UM, FOR YEAH.
UM, AND, AND I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE 'CAUSE I'M EXPERIENCING IT RIGHT NOW.
AND, UM, IT'S NICE FOR ME 'CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THAT OTHER HOME OWNERSHIP COST.
UM, IT IS, IT IS A TYPICAL THING.
AND, UM, THESE PLACES ARE STAYING LEASED OUT.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT SUFFERING.
WE TALK ABOUT ATTAINABLE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ANY NAME YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
AND IT SEEMS JUST AS A, WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS.
I MEAN, AND IT'S NOT NOTHING THAT WE CAN CONTROL.
I MEAN, THE, THE BUILDERS DEVELOPERS, THAT'S SOMETHING UNDER THEIR CONTROL.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE CAN, HOW TO CONTAIN IT.
I MEAN, WE'RE MAKING IT TOUGHER AND TOUGHER AND TOUGHER FOR FOLKS TO BASICALLY LIVE WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY CAN WORK AND WE WANT THEM HERE.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT WE HAVE MAXED OUT.
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I, ON MY, MY, MY NEW LEASE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO ME IS NOT GOING, NOT SKYROCKETING LIKE IT HAS IN THE PAST.UM, NOW I'M ON THE EDGE OF BLUFFTON, SO, UM, WHERE I CURRENTLY RESIDE.
BUT, UM, I DO THINK THAT MAYBE THINGS ARE STARTING TO STABILIZE SLIGHTLY, BUT I, I'M CERTAINLY NO MARKET ANALYST
I'M SEEING 1300 SQUARE FEET FOR $3,500 A MONTH.
THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT, AND GRANTED IT IS THE, THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING FOR.
AND WE SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT IF WE DON'T KEEP WORKING LOOKING FOR THAT ANSWER, WE'RE NEVER GONNA FIND ANYTHING.
I DO TO, TO JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACK.
I DON'T WANNA BE A TOTAL SALESPERSON ON, ON THAT PROPERTY.
UM, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT LOCATION WILL HELP A LOT.
THAT IS A VERY PRIME LOCATION.
AND YOU MENTIONED TEACHERS, NURSES, THAT IS THE PERFECT SPOT FOR, FOR OUR AREA.
SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A, A GOOD PRODUCT THERE.
NO, IT'S, I, I LIKE THE PRODUCT.
UM, AND UM, IT'S, IT'S WELL DONE WITH THE SIDEWALKS AND THE, AND THE PARKS AND THE AMENITY CENTER.
IT'S, IT, IT'S A GOOD LOOKING PROJECT.
MR. MAYOR, DO YOU THINK THE HOSPITAL WILL PROBABLY THINK ABOUT AS, INSTEAD OF OFFERING A BONUS, MAYBE OFFER TO SUBSIDIZE THE RENT SO THEY CAN USE THAT AS A CARROT TO ATTRACT THE BEST OF THE BEST FOR THAT? THAT'S WHY I, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THEM TO WORK WITH THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE IT, IT'S POSSIBLE NOW, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IN THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT THERE ARE FAIR HOUSING LAWS THAT THEY MUST, THEY MUST, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T SAY, OKAY, I'M RESERVING THIS FOR A NURSE.
AND SINCE IT'S RIGHT THERE AND IT WOULD BE A GREAT WAY TO ATTRACT, THERE'S SO MANY MORE YOUNG LOOK AT WHAT USCB IS GRADUATING AND TCL, THERE'S A LOT OF, AND, AND THEY'RE FROM THIS AREA.
OR IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD RETAIN THEM IN THIS AREA.
SO, UH, I THINK THIS PRODUCT COULD DO THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THEM TO, WHETHER THEY'LL GET AN ANSWER NOW, PROBABLY NOT, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF THIS, UH, THE TURNOVER TO NAVAN.
SO I DON'T THINK THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS.
BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU'RE TWO, THREE YEARS AWAY BEFORE THEY START RENTING HERE.
SO THERE'S, AT LEAST WHAT WE CAN DO IS OPEN THE DOOR AND LET THEM, RIGHT.
PUT THIS, SO WE, WE, WE SHOULD PRESS THIS FIRST AND SECOND READING AND THAT THEY TALK TOGETHER.
AND MAYBE THERE IS SOME SORT OF, OKAY, WE'LL TRY AT LEAST THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, BECAUSE IT'S IDEAL TO, TO RECRUIT YOUNG NURSES.
AND EVEN BEFOR MEMORIAL WOULD BE, IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, ON THAT, THAT SITE THERE.
SO, UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE MULTIPLE NEW DEVELOPMENTS COMING ON THE COTTAGES, THE APARTMENTS, AND ALL OF THAT.
'CAUSE WE DO HAVE A FACILITY THAT WE COULD HOST IT AT, AT THE REC CENTER IS TO HAVE A HARDY V TYPE, UH, HOUSING EVENT.
INVITE THESE DEVELOPERS WITH THE APARTMENTS AND THE COTTAGES AND STUFF TO, THEY SET, LET 'EM SET UP A TABLE AND LET THE COMMUNITY, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, LET THE HOSPITAL'S PERSONNEL KNOW THAT IT'S AVAILABLE.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, TAKE THAT STEP AND PUT IT OUT THERE TO THE PUBLIC AND INVITE THEM TO COME AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
THAT'S A, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.
UM, THAT, UM, REMEMBER MIKE YEARS AGO WE GOT INVITED BEFORE THEY EVEN BROKE GROUND OF, REMEMBER OKEE PINES? AND WE WENT IN THE HAMPTON INN AND THEY SHOWED US, 'CAUSE THAT COMPANY WAS A PRIVATELY OWNED FAMILY COMPANY OUT OF ARIZONA.
AND THEY CAME IN AND SHOWED US THE WHOLE CONCEPT VIA STORYBOARDS AND OTHER BUILDINGS THAT THEY HAD.
AND IT WAS REALLY, UM, VERY INFORMATIVE.
SO THAT MIGHT BE A, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.
SO WITH THE, THE HOSPITAL, WITH THE TURNOVER OF, UH, OWNERSHIP IN THAT, WE CAN WAIT FOR THAT TO SEE IF WE COULD, IF THEY WOULD BE, UH,
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AMICABLE TO SOME TYPE OF HELPING THEIR EMPLOYEES.BUT DO WE WANNA WAIT THAT LONG? LIKE, UH, YOU'VE SAID THEY'RE GETTING READY FOR THE FIRST PHASE OF THOSE COTTAGES TO OPEN UP THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE THE LEAD AND INTRODUCE PEOPLE, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE COULD INTRODUCE THE POTENTIAL, THE NEED FOR THE HOUSING, THE HOSPITAL PERSONNEL, THE USCB PERSONNEL.
TO THEM, IT'S A NEUTRAL GROUND, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST AN IDEA.
I MEAN, IT'S A, NOTHING MORE THAN A HOUSING FAIR, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A STEP.
SO, UH, STEVE, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT IN YOUR HANDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS HAPPENS.
COORDINATE WITH STAFF IN THE REC CENTER, AND MAYBE IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, EVEN AT THE HOSPITAL OR WHATEVER.
UM, WHY DON'T YOU BE THE, OUR COORDINATOR.
I'LL TAKE THAT ON FOR OUR PROJECT.
AND THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING.
WELL, VOLUNTEER THAT'LL TEACH YOU.
NOW YOU GOT ANY GOOD IDEAS? I CAN VOLUNTEER YOU FOR
WHAT'S NEXT, MR. ZIBO? UH, THE SECOND AGENDA ITEM IS THE PROPOSED MUNICIPAL
[B. PRESENTATION OF PROPOSED MUNICIPAL ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE]
ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.WE'RE, WE'RE PLEASED THAT THIS DIDN'T TAKE AS LONG AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT WE, BUT NO, WE ARE MAKING MAJOR PROGRESS.
I THINK THE COUNCIL RECALLS I LOSE TRACK.
THREE, FOUR MONTHS AGO WE DID HAVE A WORKSHOP.
WE WENT THROUGH THE DETAILED, UM, CHAPTER BY CHAPTER, ARTICLE BY ARTICLE.
AND THEN THERE WERE SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, NOT SIGNIFICANT, WE'LL SAY THERE WERE SOME CHANGES DONE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO WE'RE HERE TO REPRESENT THAT TO THE COUNCIL.
OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE, UM, THIS PRESENTED IN FEBRUARY, SO HOPEFULLY WITH THE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL END OF FEBRUARY, EARLY MARCH, WE CAN HAVE A NEW, UM, MUNICIPAL ZONING DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
SO, MS. SNOWDEN, GOOD MORNING AGAIN,
UM, AND YES, I, I WANTED TO START OFF, UM, THE PRESENTATION ON THE MZDO, KIND OF TALK ABOUT A HISTORY.
AND, UM, 18 YEARS AGO THIS WEEK, I BEGAN HERE AT THE CITY OF HARVILLE, AND WE WERE WORKING ON THE MZDO
I'VE GONE, UM, NOT FULL CIRCLE,
UM, BUT BETWEEN 2006 AND 2009, IT WAS, IT WAS DEFINITELY DRIVEN BY, UM, DRAFTS OF ORDINANCES, KIND OF BOILER BOILERPLATE ORDINANCES FROM, UM, THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS AND FROM THE, UM, CITY ATTORNEY WHO, WHO BORROWED AND, AND, AND AT THAT POINT, WE BORROWED FROM COUNTIES AND, AND OTHER RURAL JURISDICTIONS BECAUSE WE WERE A VERY SMALL COMMUNITY, UM, WITH SOME GROWING PAINS, BUT NOT REALLY PREPARED.
THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME WE HAD A PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
SO BETWEEN 2006 AND 2009, THERE WAS A LOT OF PIECEMEALING.
UH, AND THAT'S THE BEST WAY I CAN SAY IT.
UM, WE DID PIECES AND PARTS OF THE ORDINANCE AT TIMES.
UM, I WILL SAY WE WORKED ON SIGNS FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS.
I KNOW THAT'S LONGER THAN THE 2006 TWO TH 2009.
BUT, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THE SIGNS, WE, WE, WE'VE UPDATED 'EM SINCE THEN.
SO THE SIGN ORDINANCE AND, AND SOME OF THE PIECES HAVE BEEN, UM, REVISED MULTIPLE TIMES SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE.
UM, TYPICALLY THE WAY, STATE WAY, AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION, WHERE EVERYONE SAYS YOU DO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN YOUR, YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE IS THE TEETH, YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE, AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ARE THE TEETH TO ENFORCE THAT PLAN.
UM, SO, UM, WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN DOING THINGS OUR WAY BASICALLY BECAUSE WE'RE BUSY.
WE HAVE SMALL STAFF, AND THAT'S NOT AN EXCUSE, BUT WE, WE GOT, WE'RE GETTING DONE WHAT WE COULD GET DONE.
UM, SO THE FOCUS HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON SIGNS, MOBILE FOOD VENDORS, UM, MOBILE HOMES, WHETHER WE WERE GONNA HAVE 'EM OR NOT, HOW WE WERE GONNA HAVE 'EM.
AND, UM, TERMINOLOGY, UM, EVEN SINCE THIS COUNCIL'S BEEN SITTING IN THE PAST YEAR, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS FOR DIFFERENT PHRASES THAT WE USED A LOT, DENSITY AND AMONG OTHER THINGS.
UM, AND ONCE AGAIN, YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BEFORE, NOT AFTER WE DID.
IT TOOK US A LONG TIME, BUT WE GOT THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN PLACE.
UM, AND WE ARE READY TO START REVIEWING THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS SOON AS WE GET THIS DOCUMENT GOING.
YOU WANT BOTH DOCUMENTS TO BE DYNAMIC BUT NOT PIECEMEALED.
SO, UM, THAT'S JUST MY LITTLE BIT OF MY, UM, PLANNING DIRECTOR RANT AND RAVE AND, AND LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT GETTING THIS DONE.
WHAT HAS OCCURRED? UM, IT'S AN UPDATE.
WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CHANGES, UM, KEPT TO THE SHELL
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OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT WE'VE REALLY PUT A HARD, HARD LOOK AT OUR DOWNTOWN ZONING DISTRICTS AND, AND, AND BY INCLUDING SOME CERTAIN THINGS, SIGNAGE, OF COURSE, WE'RE BACK THERE AGAIN, BUT WE ARE, I THINK WE'RE FINALLY GETTING IT RIGHT AS WELL AS OPEN SPACE LANDSCAPING, A NUMBER OF THINGS, UM, STORMWATER, UM, THINGS THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT AS WE'RE GROWING AND DEVELOPING AND LEARNING.WHAT THE, THE DEFICITS WE'VE HAD ARE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION AFTER THE WORKSHOP.
WE ARE GET ALL, THE VERSION WE SENT TO YOU ARE THE REVISIONS SINCE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, WE FELT THAT WAS IMPORTANT.
THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT YOUR, YOUR ORDINANCE IS A, A PRODUCT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE, UH, EXCUSE ME, A PRODUCT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE'VE WORKED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THIS IS THE PRODUCT THAT WE ARE PRESENTING TO YOU.
UM, MRS. MAINES HAS REVIEWED IT, UM, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN KEEPING WITH STATE LAW AND, AND LEGAL ASPECTS.
AND, UM, WE ARE THERE TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, SLIGHT REVISIONS AND NEED.
WE DO BELIEVE NE NOW NEED TO BE MADE THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE LAST WEEK WITH SOME, UM, REGIONAL TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD RECENTLY.
UM, STAFF'S READY TO, TO GET THOSE TOGETHER AND GIVE YOU SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, MR. DAVIS AND, AND MS. MRS, EXCUSE ME, MS. WOODRUFF, I'M ALREADY MARRYING YOU KIDDING.
UM, UM, HAVE, UM, UNDERSTAND WHAT NEEDS TO BE PUT IN THERE AND FOR THAT AND, UM, MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE COMPATIBLE WITH THE REGION ON TRAFFIC.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, TRANSECT ZONES IN THE DOWNTOWN WHITE HARDY B BOULEVARD AREA.
IT'S GONNA BE THE GREAT WAY AS SITES LIKE WENDY'S, SITES LIKE BURGER KING, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE CLOSING DOWN GET REDEVELOPED.
WE WILL HAVE THESE IN OUR, IN OUR HAND TO, UM, OFFER BETTER WAYS TO REDEVELOP AND, AND GET WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD LOOKING AND, AND FUNCTIONING LIKE WE, WE KNOW IT NEEDS TO TREE PRESERVATION, PUT A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY INTO THAT.
UM, THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT.
SOME OPEN SPACE, SOME OTHER LANDSCAPING.
UM, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, FINALLY CONSISTENT WITH, SEE, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, OUR, BY PIECEMEALING A ZONING ORDINANCE, BY PIECEMEALING THE COMP PLAN, YOU HAVE, UM, LOTS OF PLACES WHERE THE ORDINANCE WAS CONTRADICTING WITH ITSELF.
AND WE DO NOT NEED TO HAVE THOSE CONTRADICTIONS.
IT'S HARD ADMINISTRATIVELY, IT'S HARD POLITICALLY, IT'S HARD FOR THE DEVELOPERS TO KNOW WHAT TO DO AND THE CITIZENS TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, BECAUSE WHEN THEY LOOK FOR SOMETHING, THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THEY, THEY HAVE.
UM, LIKE, I THOUGHT I MISSED ONE.
UM, ANOTHER, ANOTHER SLIDE THAT, UH, OUR STATEMENT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, COVERED WAS THE FACT THAT WITH THIS CONSISTENCY, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WITH THIS PIECEMEALING, WE HAVE GONE OVER AND OVER AND OVER KINDA A REPETITIVE THING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE DO NOT HAVE THAT INCONSISTENCY.
IF WE'RE MENTIONING AT ONE TIME, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE WE, WE, WE COVER IT.
UM, THERE WERE SOME PLACES THAT YOU'LL NOTICE MAYBE FROM WATCHING A PLANNING COMMISSION WHERE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTED ADD THINGS ADDED OR PHRASED IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
WE WERE VERY CAREFUL OF WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANTS, WORKING WITH EVERYONE ELSE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ON PAR, NOT REPETITIVE, BUT NOT CONTRADICTING OURSELVES.
SO THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THAT STANDS.
UM, MR. BROWN, YOU WANNA OFFER A FEW WORDS ABOUT STORM WATER AND WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN THERE? OR YOU, I MEAN, I, I CAN, I MEAN, DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH BRIEFLY? WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO BRIEFLY? SURE.
WELL, I'LL TRY, I'LL TRY AND GO THROUGH IT BRIEFLY IF YOU'D LIKE.
DO YOU HAVE, OH, LOOK, HE COMES UP WITH 8,000 PAGES AND HE SAYS HE'S GONNA DO IT BRIEFLY.
I WAS THERE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN HE DID IT BRIEFLY TOO, SO HE BEATS ME THE SWITCH OUT THE POWER POWERPOINT, PDF, PDF, BUT PDF BEFORE WE, UH, WHY DON'T WE, UH, JOHN, WHY DON'T YOU, BECAUSE THAT'S SUCH A COMPREHENSIVE SUBJECT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK BRIAN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT SHE PRESENTED, UH, RATHER THAN COME BACK TO IT, UM, EXPLAIN WHAT'S IN THERE ABOUT TRAFFIC CONCERNS, UH, WHAT I MENTIONED THAT WE NEEDED TO BE, WE NEED TO UPDATE.
THANK YOU, MS. WOODRUFF, SINCE YOU WERE AT THE MEETING.
UNFORTUNATELY, I WASN'T THERE.
SO, UM, MATT DAVIS AND I ATTENDED A MEETING ON FRIDAY WITH, UM, THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE FOR LATS.
AND WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT, UM, WHAT THE REGION CAN DO IN GENERAL TO HAVE SOME,
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SOME KIND OF, LIKE A DOUBLE CHECK ON TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS.A TRAFFIC ENGINEER COMES UP, THEY'RE WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER, AND HOW DO WE, SHOULD WE HAVE ANOTHER SET OF EYES ON THOSE? UM, SOME OF THE AREAS, SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES IN THE AREA ARE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO A AGREEMENT OF, YOU USE THESE THREE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, AND IF YOU USE THOSE THREE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND SET OF EYES.
WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY, UM, PROPOSING TO YOU IS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF IN ARTICLE SEVEN WHERE WE TALK ABOUT PROCESS, ADDING A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT SECOND CHECK ON THE TIA, EVEN IF IT'S ONE OF THOSE THREE THAT THE OTHERS ARE USING, WE JUST WANT ANOTHER SET OF EYES TO LOOK AT 'EM.
SO WE ARE GOING TO BUILD INTO THE PROCESS WHERE THE APPLICANT, UM, AS PART OF THEIR FEES, IS GOING TO HAVE A SECOND SET OF EYES ON THOSE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT SOME LANGUAGE TOGETHER.
UNFORTUNATELY, THIS WAS FRIDAY MORNING, SO WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO GET THAT IN THERE FOR YOU, BUT, UM, PRIOR TO FIRST READING, READING, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER.
UM, THE OTHER, THE NEXT THING WAS TREE PRESERVATION.
AND I'M GONNA PREFACE IT BY SAYING, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT BUILDING SUPPLY PLACE BY THE CANCER CENTER THAT WAS ZONED, THAT NEVER CAME TO COUNCIL.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE LIMITATIONS ON WHAT YOU CAN DO, BUT I'M EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED THAT THAT'S GONNA BE VISIBLE AND KNOWS, YOU KNOW, THEY LEFT LIKE THREE TREES.
UM, DO TWO COUPLE PARTS TO TREE PRESERVATION.
FIRST OF ALL, IN AREAS THAT ARE SO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL TO THE LOW COUNTRY, 2 78.
IT WOULD BE A SHAME IF WE TURNED 2 78 LOOKING LIKE BLUFFTON.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO CRITICIZE IT, IT IS JUST TO HAVE NOTHING BUT BUSINESSES AND HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS RIGHT THERE AND DESTROY THAT TREE LINE.
I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT PRESERVED AND NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO CUT DOWN ALL THE TREES ALONG 2 78 AS WE DEVELOP IT.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THE, AS WE GO IN THESE DEVELOPMENTS, YOU KNOW, WE, I ALWAYS WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION 15 TREES PER ACRE, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS WONDERFUL, EXCEPT THERE'S EXCEPTIONS AND THINGS ALLOWED.
I THINK THAT, UH, TREE PRESERVATION GOES ALONG WITH WHAT I JUST SAID BEFORE, THAT THESE BUFFERS SHOULD TOTALLY PRESERVE THE TREE LINE.
LIKE THAT PROJECT THAT WE JUST SAID, THERE'S A 25 FOOT BUFFER, THEY SAID THEY WILL NOT TOUCH 25 FEET OF TREES.
THAT'S A LOT DIFFERENT THAN BUILDING UP TO IT.
YOU HAVE A JOHN HARPER KIND OF SITUATION, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA PUT SOME INADEQUATE BERM AND YOU'VE DESTROYED, YOU'VE ABSOLUTE, WE'RE GONNA DESTROY JOHN SMITH WROTE, GONNA HAPPEN.
WE, WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED STUFF, WE'RE GONNA DESTROY IT.
SO HOW DO WE DO, WE HAVE THINGS IN THERE TO A, WHEN YOU SAY 15 TREES PER ACRE, WE DO NOT COUNT THE, UM, TREES THAT WE SAVED.
AND HOW DO WE PRESERVE MAJOR THROUGHWAYS, THE TREE LINE? UM, YES, SIR.
AND, AND WE HAVE, THAT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE, THE BENEFITS, I HATE TO SAY IF THERE'S A BENEFIT OF US TAKING OUR TIME OR, OR GOING THROUGH THIS.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME UP, UM, AS WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH, UM, OUR UPDATE.
AND YES, THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, WE HAVE THE BENEFIT NOT ONLY OF, OF HAVING A, A STAFF MEMBER, UM, THAT HAS SOME FORESTRY AND SOME ARBOR ARBORIST TYPE, UM, TRAINING, BUT WE ARE ALSO WORKING TO GET OTHERS IN OUR STAFF TRAINED.
UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, THROUGH STAFF DEVELOPMENT, WE ARE LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN EXPERT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING AT THAT.
WE ARE PUTTING THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE.
UM, WE CAN ALWAYS ADAPT IT SOME MORE.
UM, WE, I KNOW, UM, I'M GONNA LOOK AT KATIE AND MAKE SURE, I KNOW WE PUT IN THERE ABOUT, UM, CHANGING SOME WORDING TO UNDISTURBED BUFFERS THAT MAKES A, A VERY BIG DIFFERENT, A BUFFER VERSUS AN UNDISTURBED OR A PRESERVED V OR TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
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LEARNED THAT AT, AT, AT A MEETING RECENTLY.UM, AND WE ARE GONNA PUT THE RIGHT LANGUAGE IN THERE.
WE'RE GONNA BE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT.
ONCE AGAIN, WE HAD IT IN SOME PLACES AND NOT OTHER PLACES.
UM, WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT 15 TREES PER ACRE, UM, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT WE TALK ABOUT WHETHER IT'S PLANTED, PRESERVED, HOW THERE WILL BE SOME INSTANCES AS WE'VE LEARNED THAT THEY DO HAVE TO TAKE THE TREES OUT BECAUSE OF FILL.
BUT, UM, YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING? YEAH.
THERE'S ALSO, UM, SOMETHING, THIS IS, THIS IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE AN EVOLVING PROCESS, I THINK LONG AFTER WE EVEN UPDATE THIS ROUND.
UM, BECAUSE THERE'S COORDINATION NEEDED WITH THE VARIOUS UTILITY COMPANIES.
UM, WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS SRC IS REQUIRING A BUFFER TO REMAIN, AND THEN THE UTILITY COMPANY IS COMING BEHIND US AND SAYING, BUT THAT'S WHERE OUR WATER LINES NEED TO GO.
AND WE DON'T WANT THEM ANYWHERE ELSE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE HAVING TO WORK, UM, WITH THOSE COMPANIES ON THEIR POLICY DECISIONS AS WELL TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE NATURAL BUFFERS.
UM, THAT'S A BIG OBSTACLE RIGHT NOW FOR STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE.
SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO PUT SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE, BUT IT'S GOING TO CONTINUOUSLY BE A WORK IN PROGRESS.
WE WANT THIS TO BE A DYNAMIC DOCUMENT.
UM, WE WANT TO BE COMING TO YOU AS, AS WE'RE LEARNING THINGS AND, AND WE'RE REDEFINING THINGS.
UM, WE DON'T WANNA WAIT FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS BEFORE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS DOCUMENT AGAIN, THAT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY, UM, NOT PROACTIVE AND NOT THE WAY WE WANT TO DO THINGS.
UM, BUT IF WE HAVE A, A PROJECT LIKE THE ONE THAT JUST, WE JUST HEARD THAT I 95 BUFFER IS A GREAT PLACE TO HAVE THAT.
UM, THERE'S NOT WATER LINES, THERE'S NOT UTILITIES GOING THROUGH THERE.
ON THE OTHER SIDE, IF IT WAS ON MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE MIGHT BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
IT WON'T BE THE SAME PRESERVED UNDISTURBED BUFFER.
SO WE'VE GOT TO DO SOME GIVE AND TAKE IN OUR SRC PROCESS AND, UM, WITH THE ORDINANCE AND LEARN WHAT FITS BEST FOR OUR AREA, UM, WITH THESE EXPERTS HELP WITH, UM, NOT JUST DOING THIS.
WE'VE GOT FINALLY GOTTEN, UM, SOME, SOME TREE LIST, SOME LOCAL NATIVE TREE LIST.
UM, WE'VE BEEN USING CLEMSON EXTENSION, UH, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE A PLANNER THAT'S GETTING READY TO DO SOME FURTHER STUDIES THROUGH CLEMSON EXTENSION.
UM, AND WE WANNA KEEP LEARNING AND KEEP IMPROVING THIS ORDINANCE.
UM, BUT YOUR INTENTIONS, YOUR DIRECTION HAS CERTAINLY BEEN HEARD, AND YOU'LL SEE IT AS WE PROGRESS THROUGH THIS.
SO LET ME FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO, WHICH KIND OF DISTURBS ME THE UTILITIES NEEDS CAN SUPERSEDE OR MZDL? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, YOU CAN JUST, THE TREES ON MAIN STREET, THE CUTTING OF THE TREES ON MAIN STREET, DOMINION HAS COME THROUGH AND JUST, UM, AS A TREE LOVER, OH, THEY BUTCHERED THE TREES.
DOESN'T, WE CANNOT GO AND SAY YOU CAN'T CUT THOSE TREES BACK.
THAT, THAT IS, THEY HAVE THOSE RIGHTS
RENO PROJECT IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE.
THAT WATERLINE HAD TO GO THERE.
UM, I THINK WE'VE LEARNED THAT WITH, WITH OUR TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT SHORTCUT.
UM, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS AND THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE CITY CAN DO THAT MAYBE A DEVELOPER CAN'T DO.
BUT, UM, THERE ARE BUFFERS AND, AND, AND ESPECIALLY IN OUR, IN OUR GEOGRAPHIC, GEOGRAPHIC TERRAIN AND EVERYTHING THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN THE WAY THEY SHOULD, WE KNOW WHERE THE, THOSE UTILITIES ARE BEFORE WE APPROVE A PROJECT TO MAKE THEM INCREASE THE BUFFER.
SOMETIMES THEY DON'T KNOW, UM,
IF I CAN TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF TIMES I'VE HEARD FROM CERTAIN UTILITIES THAT, OH, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT GREAT OF SURVEYS BECAUSE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE WAS PUT IN X AMOUNT OF YEARS AGO.
I MEAN, IT'S, SO AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY BELIEVE, I MEAN, IT'S GOING THROUGH THEIR PROCESS AS WELL.
SO THEY'RE APPROVING IT AS THEY THEY APPROVE IT, THEN THEY CHANGE IT.
IT'S, IT'S NOT, I MEAN, I WISH IT WAS MORE SIMPLE, BUT THAT'S REAL LIFE RIGHT NOW.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S REAL LIFE.
BUT REAL LIFE IS THE FACT IS THAT WE'RE LOSING BUFFERS BECAUSE OF SOMEBODY ELSE.
WE NEED TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION BEFORE WE APPROVE THESE PROJECTS.
'CAUSE IT GOES BACK, WE SAY TREES AND SOMETIMES IN PHIL IS NECESSARY, BUT I'M NO ARBORIST.
HOW MUCH, UH, PHIL CAN AN OAK TREE TAKE AROUND IT BEFORE IT'LL KILL THE TREE? I DON'T KNOW.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND, AND THAT'S INFORMATION THAT WE WILL HAVE THAT WE ARE DO GAINING THROUGH, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, AND WE ARE WORKING ON IT.
UM, WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE GOING INTO A BLIND, UM, WE'RE JUST SAYING WE CAN'T DO EVERY ASPECT THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IMMEDIATELY, BUT WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS IT.
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IF, UM, WHERE'S THAT TREE HORIZONS OR WHATEVER IT'S TURNED INTO NOW, THE K HUFF PROJECT OUT THERE, THERE'S A TREE OUT THERE THAT, UM, IT HAS BEEN ON OUR RADAR FROM THE BEGINNING.IT'S BEEN ON OUR RADAR BEFORE IT CAME IN FOR THE IMP.
UM, IT'S STAYING ON OUR RADAR AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE IT, IT, IT'S PROTECTED AND WE KNOW WHAT THAT TREE NEEDS.
WE'VE HAD MADE SURE THAT THEY ARE PROVIDING US THOSE ARBOR REPORTS AND EVERYTHING.
UM, THE TREE BEHIND 1 0 2 MAIN, SAME SITUATION.
UM, EVEN, EVEN FOR, FOR OUR DEVELOPING NEEDS, UM, WE ARE MAKING SURE THERE'S, THERE ARE THINGS OUT THERE THAT WE ARE DOING.
UM, WE JUST NEED TO CONTINUE TO, TO FUR FURTHER THAT AND ONE, ONE RULE CAN'T CHANGE THAT FOR EVERYTHING.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO ACCOMPLISH.
I JUST, I FIND IT VERY DISTURBING THAT UTILITY COMPANIES DON'T KNOW WHERE THEIR UTILITIES ARE.
THIS, THIS, ESPECIALLY IN, IN THIS AREA OF THE, OF THE CITY, THE, THE, UM, THE FACT THAT B-J-W-S-A PURCHASED THE SYSTEM FROM THE CITY.
THE CITY DID NOT HAVE RECORDS OF ALL OF THAT.
UM, TO, TO SAY THAT IT'S SPAGHETTI IN SOME PLACES.
UM, I'VE BEEN TO A HOUSE ON, ON FURMAN STREET WHERE THE LINE GOES RIGHT UNDER THE MIDDLE OF THE HOUSE AND IT WAS BUILT LIKE THAT.
EVERYTHING'S CRACKED IN THE HOUSE, BUT IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT FOR 30 YEARS.
AND, UM, NOT THAT THAT'S AN EXCUSE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
BUT WE HAVE NEW DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING INTO THIS, THIS ISSUE.
LET'S GO TO MY FAVORITE TOPIC.
GUESS WHAT THAT IS? OPEN SPACE OR TRAFFIC?
UH, I LOVE WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD.
AND, AND IT HAS BEEN FOR A COUPLE YEARS SINCE WE, UM, JASPER COUNTY AND ITS INFINITE WISDOM, WHO WANTS TO PUT MORATORIUMS OUT, UM, APPROVE THE WAREHOUSE, TWO AND A HALF MILLION SQUARE FEET OF WAREHOUSE, UM, THAT WILL HAVE TO INCREASE THE TRUCK TRAFFIC THROUGH WHITE HARD BOULEVARD AND DESTROY EVERY CHANCE WE HAVE TO RENOVATE IT.
BUT, UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, WE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC GOING DOWN JOHN SMITH ROAD COMING OUT OF THE INDUSTRIAL PARK.
THERE'S, AND EVEN COMING DOWN 17, THE LOGGING TRUCKS.
IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF HEAVY TRUCKING.
WHEN, UH, THAT WHOLE PROJECT WAS BEING DISCUSSED, UM, YOU KNOW, JASPER COUNTY SAID, WELL, WE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN PASS AN ORDINANCE AND, AND, UH, PROHIBIT TRUCKS FROM GOING DOWN WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD.
SO MY QUESTION IS THIS, CAN WE IN THE MZDO PROHIBIT CERTAIN HEAVY TRUCKS FROM GOING THROUGH, YOU MENTIONED ZONES ON WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD, RIGHT? CAN WE ZONE WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD AND JOHN SMITH ROAD TO LIMIT HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT GOES A LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM ZONING? THAT GOES BACK TO THE, THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY COMMISSION AND SOME OTHER THINGS BECAUSE IT IS A US SEVEN, HIGHWAY 17 IS A US HIGHWAY.
UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE CAN LIMIT THE TRUCK TRAFFIC.
WHAT WE CAN DO, AND WHAT WE HAVE BUILT INTO THESE ZONES ARE SOME TRAFFIC CALMING MECHANISMS THAT ARE, THAT ARE AUTOMATIC.
UM, SOME OF THE, UM, LANDSCAPING, SOME OF THE, ALL OF THAT IS TRAFFIC CALMING.
THE PARKING ON THE STREET IS TRAFFIC CALMING, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
AS WE MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED, WHICH IS WHAT WE ALL WANT TO SEE AS WE, UM, LIMIT THOSE CURB CUTS AS WE DO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND, UM, IT IS, I KNOW IT'S A GOOD THING TO TALK ABOUT IT IN THEORY, BUT THESE, WE'VE GOT SOME PROVEN TECHNIQUES THAT WE ARE INCORPORATING IN THERE THROUGH THE ZONING, THROUGH THE, UM, LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT WILL TR CALM THE TRAFFIC AND MAKE IT LESS DESIRABLE.
SO WHEN YOU SAY CALM THE TRAFFIC, YOU MEAN MAKE IT SO THAT HEAVY TRUCKING WILL NOT WANT TO TAKE THAT ROUTE? THAT IS, THAT IS THE INTENT.
THAT IS WHAT WE MAKE IT UNATTRACTIVE.
AND AS, AS WE WORK ON THAT, THAT'S WHEN WE CAN, AND HAVE I 95 WIDENED AND HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS, IS WHEN THE, WHEN DOT AND THE, LIKE I SAID, THE FEDERAL, FEDERAL HIGHWAY COMMISSION AND EVERYTHING, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT AND CHOOSE WHETHER THEY CAN HAVE A BUSINESS ROUTE VERSUS A, A, A BYPASS TRUCKING ROUTE.
RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT THROUGH, THROUGH ZONING.
UM, WE TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY TOO.
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OR, OR FLIPPANT ABOUT THE, ABOUT DISCOURAGING TRUCK TRAFFIC, BUT THEY'RE ONLY, IT'S LIMITED ON, ON HOW WE CAN DO IT.BUT I DO BELIEVE, AND WE'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN IN OTHER, OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THIS AREA NEAR INTERSTATES, IT'S GONNA BE A CHALLENGE AS WE'RE WIDENING I 95.
'CAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANNA COME DOWN AT 17.
UM, BUT THAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF, OF WORKING WITH THESE DEVELOPERS, WORKING WITH SOME OF OUR GETTING, PUTTING AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE RPA FUNDS AND EVERYTHING STARTING IN ON THAT, THAT, UM, IS TRUE TRAFFIC CALMING THINGS, THE RAISED MEDIANS, THE LANDSCAPING, THE PARKING, AND THE SHARED ACCESS ARE PROVEN WAYS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
SO, UM, I FEEL, I FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT IT.
NOT GONNA BE INSTANTANEOUS THOUGH, SO, OH, NO.
I MEAN, AND AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER, WE AS A THIS COUNCIL, IF WE'RE COMMITTED TO THAT, WE HAVE TO ASSIGN THE MONEY THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO PUT ALL THESE TRAFFIC CON AND ALL THESE THINGS ARE IN THE WHITE HARD BOULEVARD MASTER PLAN, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
SO, UH, AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, WE DID THE MASTER PLAN, IT WAS APPROVED IN 2019, I THINK.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE PUT IT ON THE SHELF.
NOTHING'S GOTTEN DONE IN NOTHING.
WELL, EXCUSE ME, I I BACK UP
AND WE SHOULD HAVE A PLAN PUT FORTH TO COUNCIL.
SAY, OKAY COUNSEL, YOU WANT THIS DONE? HERE'S WHAT, HERE'S THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU HAVE TO SIGN EACH YEAR TO GET IT DONE BY X NUMBER OF YEARS.
I, I, I FEEL CONFIDENT ONCE, ONCE WE HAVE THIS DOCUMENT IN PLACE, UM, I HAVE THE BACKING, UM, THE STAFF HAS THE BACKING AND, UM, I REALLY LOST ISN'T HERE, BUT I CAN SAY IT.
I'LL LOOK AT PURINA AND SAY IT, I CAN COMMIT THAT THAT IS NUMBER MORE PRIORITY OF, OF, OF PUTTING SOME FOR SOMETHING BEFORE WE START ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WILL NEED TO HAPPEN.
SO IT'LL GIVE ME A MORE INCENTIVE.
THIS IS GONNA BE PAINLESS TOO, RIGHT? NOTHING'S, NOTHING'S PAINLESS WHEN IT COMES TO MONEY.
I THOUGHT I HAD A BAD WEEK THIS PAST WEEK, BUT IT'LL BE NOTHING
ALRIGHT, MR. BROWN MORNING AGAIN, MR. MAYOR.
COUNSEL, PLEASURE TO BE UP HERE TO HAVE A CHAT WITH YOU ABOUT, UH, STORM WATER.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, CAN I CONTROL THESE SLIDES FROM UP HERE? FROM HERE, OR, OR DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE IT? OKAY, THANKS.
SO, SECTION, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, ARTICLE 4.9 IN THE MZDO TALKS ABOUT STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND SUCH.
SO WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO, UH, IS TAKE A LOOK AT SLOW CODE DESIGN MANUAL WHEN IT COMES TO STORMWATER, THE DESIGN MANUAL, AND BASICALLY TELL YOU WHAT WAS IN OUR MZDO THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE DESIGN MANUAL.
ESSENTIALLY, WHAT HAVE WE INCORPORATED FROM THE DESIGN MANUAL.
SO WHEN WE FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT THIS, WE, WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND WE'RE LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE.
SO WE, WE'VE GOT A DESIGN MANUAL THAT'S TECHNICAL IN NATURE, AND WE'VE GOT AN MZDO THAT'S LEGISLATIVE IN NATURE, SO YOU CAN'T REALLY COMPARE THE TWO.
SO YOU GOTTA DIG A LITTLE DEEPER INTO, UH, THAT SITUATION TO NO, NO, NO, THE MOUSE, NO DAM.
WE GOT, WE GOTTA DIG A LITTLE DEEPER INTO WHAT THE MCDO REFERENCES.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS IS TO DO THIS.
WE PRESENTED THIS TO, UH, THE PLANNING COUNCIL BACK IN, UH, DECEMBER, AND THEN SHORTLY THEREAFTER, UH, WE, WE PUSHED, UH, THE SLIDES TO THE COUNCIL FOR REVIEW.
UM, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE TODAY IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING, EXCEPT FOR I'VE ADDED ONE SLIDE TO IT, UH, I THINK MAYBE NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED AS WELL.
SO, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE DUG DEEPER INTO THE MCDO AND IT'S REFERENCES TO GIVE US MORE OF AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON.
I WOULD ASK TOO, IF YOU'D LIKE, UH, IF WE WANT TO JUMP TO ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IN THIS, UH, SLIDE PRESENTATION, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO IT THAT WAY.
OR I CAN GO SLIDE BY SLIDE, WHICHEVER YOU PREFER.
SO, TO START, YOU, I THINK WE WANT THE CLIFF NOTES.
SAY AGAIN? YOU WANT CLIFF NOTES? OKAY.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA ROLL THROUGH THIS REALLY QUICKLY.
TAKE US THROUGH THE I, THE IMPORTANT ITEMS OF THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, UM, JUST, AND AGAIN, IF COUNSEL WANTS IT SLIDE BY SLIDE, BUT RIGHT.
UH, WE CAN READ THOSE, UM, SLIDES, BUT FOR ME, I'D LIKE THE CLIFF NOTES, ALAN.
ALRIGHT, WHERE ARE WE? AS I ASKED BEFORE, WHERE ARE WE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE,
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THE, SO LOKO, WHERE ARE, WHERE ARE WE DIFFERENT AND WHY? SURE.SO ESSENTIALLY FROM THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE, REALLY WHAT WE'RE WE'RE CONTINUING IS OUR, OUR EFFORT THAT WE STARTED IN 22, WHERE WE STARTED, HEY, LET'S LOOK AT THE TWO AND LET'S SEE WHAT, HOW THEY BOTH COMPARE.
UH, WITH THIS, UH, PRESENTATION.
WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO IS ANSWER A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
WHAT DOES THE DESIGN MANUAL SOLVE THAT THE MZDO DOESN'T AND IS IT APPLICABLE TO HARDY V? THE BACKGROUND IS FAIRLY SIMPLE.
YOU'VE SEEN THIS, I'M SURE THIS IS ALL THE REGULATIONS THAT GO BACK TO, UH, ACTUALLY 1972 WITH THE CLEAN WATER ACT THAT DICTATES, UH, WE ARE NOT TO PUT ANYTHING, IT'S ILLEGAL TO DUMP ANYTHING INTO THE WATERS OF THE US.
AND THEN IT GOES ON FROM THERE.
AND YOU TALK ABOUT THE, UH, WHERE YOU, WE HAVE THE NATIONAL, UM, NATIONAL, UH, THE NATIONAL POLLUTION DISCHARGE ELIMINATION SYSTEM THAT COMES INTO PLAY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE FOLLOWING TODAY.
THESE ARE JUST THE REGULATIONS THAT, UH, UH, GUIDE US IN THAT.
THE NEXT SLIDE, IF WE LOOK AT THE DESIGN MANUAL, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT, UH, HAS SEEN IT.
UH, IT PRESENTS A WATERSHED APPROACH.
UH, IT BRINGS OUT THE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, THE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT, UH, IT FOCUSES ON QUITE HEAVILY.
UH, IT'S BEEN ADOPTED BY A LOT OF REGIONS THROUGHOUT THE, THE EAST COAST.
HOWEVER, THESE HAVE BEEN AMENDED VERSIONS.
THEY'RE NOT THE VERSION THAT YOU SEE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE AMENDED, UH, TO FIT THOSE PARTICULAR LOCALITIES.
WE LOOK AT D-M-Z-D-O AND WE, WE THINK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT GO INTO STORMWATER, UH, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
IT ALL STARTS WITH, UH, EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL REQUIREMENTS.
THIS IS CALLED OUT IN THE DESIGN MANUAL.
WHAT I'M SHOWING HERE IS IT'S ALSO CALLED OUT IN THE MZDO IN THIS SECTION, PARTICULARLY RIGHT HERE.
AND IN ALL OF THESE, WHETHER IT'S EROSION, SEDIMENT CONTROL, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS, MINIMUM QUALITY REQUIREMENTS, THEY'RE ALL CALLED OUT IN THE MZDO RIGHT NOW AND THEY REFERENCE SOUTH CAROLINA DHC REGULATIONS.
SOUTH CAROLINA DHC REGULATIONS FOLLOW FEDERAL AND STATE OF COURSE, UH, REGULATIONS FOR STORM WATER AND WATER QUALITY MANAGEMENT.
ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT UNDER MINIMUM WATER CON WATER QUALITY CONTROL REQUIREMENTS, UH, IS THAT LAST BULLET WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT CITY MAINTAINS THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE IF ADDITIONAL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT OPERATIONS OR APPLICATIONS ARE NEEDED.
SO A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND, AND HE HAS A DEVELOPMENT, LET'S SAY IT'S WITHIN A HALF A MILE OF A IMPAIRED WATERWAY THAT WE KNOW OF OUT THERE, CITY CAN GO BACK AND SAY, I NEED YOU TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE STRINGENT ON THESE, UH, THESE MANAGEMENT PRACTICES THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE KEY REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE CALLED OUT IN THE DESIGN MANUAL, AND WE COMPARED IT TO WHAT WE SEE IN THE MZDO, AGAIN, THROUGH THE REFERENCES TO SOUTH CAROLINA DHC.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DESIGN MANUAL, IT TALKS ABOUT PREVENT, UH, PREVENT STORMWATER IMPACTS RATHER THAN MITIGATE THEM.
THAT'S A COMMON ENGINEERING PRACTICE.
WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THAT AS BEING IMPLIED ON BOTH OF THESE, NOT JUST THE DESIGN MANUAL, BUT ALSO IN THE MZDO THROUGH ITS REFERENCES TO SOUTH CAROLINA DEC.
IT'S MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE, NINE TIMES OUTTA 10 TO PREVENT SOMETHING THAN TO GO BACK AND MITIGATE IT.
I THINK WE ALL, UH, UNDERSTAND THAT CONCEPT.
UH, REDUCE AN IMPERVIOUS COVER IN THE DESIGN MANUAL.
YOU'LL SEE HERE I'VE CALLED OUT THE SECTION WHERE REDUCE IMPERVIOUS COVER IS DISCUSSED IN THE MZDO CONSERVING OPEN SPACE.
SIMILAR, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PREVENTING STORM WATER POLLUTION IN THE DESIGN MANUAL, WE REFER TO IT IS LIMITED, UH, LIMIT THE STORMWATER POLLUTION IN THE MZDO ALL DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DEFINE THOSE.
THOSE CONCEPTS PREVENT VERSUS LIMIT.
I THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE AS BEING VERY, VERY SIMILAR.
AGAIN, THE DESIGN MANUAL TALKS ABOUT THAT REDUCING OVERALL COST, WHAT DEVELOPER DOES NOT WANT TO REDUCE THE OVERALL COST OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
SO I THINK THAT IS ANOTHER IMP IMPLIED.
SO I THINK YOU LOOK AT THIS KEY REQUIREMENT, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT BOTH THE MZDO AND THE DESIGN MANUAL BOTH TALK TO THIS.
ANOTHER KEY REQUIREMENT THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
THERE ARE 13 BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES THAT ARE CALLED OUT AND DISCUSSED IN THE DESIGN MANUAL RIGHT NOW.
OF THOSE 13, THE MZDO THROUGH ITS, UH, THROUGH ITS REFERENCES TO SOUTH CAROLINA, DEC, UH, BASICALLY COVERS 11 OF THOSE 85%.
THE OTHER TWO THAT AREN'T COVERED GREEN ROOFS AND THE RAINWATER HARVESTING, WE DON'T EVEN LOOK AT HERE IN HARDY.
NOW, WILL WE, IN THE FUTURE, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO BRANDON AND HER TEAM TO FIGURE THAT PIECE OUT.
WHETHER WE GO GREEN ROOFS AND WE GO RAINWATER HARVESTING.
IF WE DO REAL SIMPLE ANSWER TO THAT, PULLING OUT WAR IN PEACE.
JASPER COUNTY HAS THEIR OWN STORMWATER MANAGEMENT DESIGN MANUAL.
HOW MANY OF US KNEW THIS ACTUALLY EXISTED? NOT I, UNTIL I STARTED RESEARCHING IT.
WE ALREADY HAVE THIS OUT THERE.
THEY PROBABLY DON'T KNOW EITHER.
WELL, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT.
BUT, BUT IN THIS STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL RIGHT HERE FOR JASPER COUNTY, BY THE WAY, HARDY VILLAGE IS IN JASPER COUNTY.
UH, IT TALKS ABOUT THESE TWO ITEMS. SO IN A SENSE, ALL WE NEED TO DO IS REFERENCE THIS IN
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OUR MZDO, JUST LIKE WE HAVE SOUTH CAROLINA DHC, AND WE'VE GOT THIS COVERED.TRYING TO GO AS QUICKLY AS I CAN.
UH, IF WE, IF WE LOOK AT COMPREHENSIVE, IF WE LOOK AT, UH, THESE 13, AGAIN, LET ME, LET ME PULL BACK ON THIS HERE REAL QUICK BECAUSE THE NEXT SLIDE'S GONNA GO INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.
IF WE LOOK AT, UH, UH, THESE 13, THE THIRD ONE DOWN INFILTRATION, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THAT MEANS.
SO IF WE HAVE A RETENTION POND OUT THERE SOMEWHERE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ESSENTIALLY WATER COMING INTO THAT POND, STORM WATER COMING INTO THAT POND.
SO THE WATER'S GONNA SIT THERE.
THERE'S ONLY TWO WAYS THAT IT CAN, IT CAN GO AWAY.
ONE OH EVAPORATION, TWO INFILTRATION DOWN THROUGH THE GROUND, AND THAT'S HOW IT'S GOING TO GET TREATED.
INFILTRATION IS BIG IN THE DESIGN MANUAL.
CITY OF BLUFFTON, AS WILL TALKS A LOT ABOUT THEIR USE OF IT.
SO YOU GOTTA ASK YOURSELF, WHY, WHY IS THAT? WHY ARE THEY, WHY ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT THAT? AND WHAT ELSE NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD ABOUT INFILTRATION? SO IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IS INFILTRATION AND TYPE OF SOILS.
TYPE OF SOIL SOILS IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA RUN OFF, WHAT'S GOING TO INFILTRATE INTO THE GROUND.
WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS AN OVERVIEW OF OUR REGION.
UH, YOU SEE THE ISLAND, OF COURSE, BLUFFTON IS IN THE MIDDLE OF HARDY V IS OVER TO THE WEST.
AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TAKE THIS AND WE LAY OUR HYDROLOGIC SOIL LAYERS OVER TOP OF THAT, THIS IS WHAT WE SEE.
YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HILTON HEAD, BETWEEN BLUFFTON AND WHERE HARDY V SITS.
WHAT YOU SEE OVER IN, IN, IN BLUFFTON AND UH, HILTON HEAD ARE SOILS THAT ARE CONDUCIVE TO INFILTRATION.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'LL ABSORB THAT WATER, THEY'LL TAKE IT DOWN.
THEY'LL TREAT THE WATER THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
IF YOU LOOK OVER IN HARDY V, YOU SEE A LOT OF YELLOWS.
YOU SEE DARKER BROWNS AND SUCH.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS WATER'S GONNA RUN OFF MOSTLY.
SO WE HAVE TO, IN HERE IN HARDY HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND DESIGN OUR SYSTEMS TO CONTROL THAT THROUGH THAT TYPE OF RUNOFF, IF YOU WILL.
INFILTRATION MAY NOT BE THE BEST SOLUTION IN HARDY.
ANOTHER KEY REQUIREMENT THAT WE LOOKED AT IS THIS, IT'S MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICABLE.
THIS IS A DEFINITION THAT'S CALLED OUT IN THE DESIGN MANUAL, BASICALLY SAYING, HEY, DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO, UH, UH, ELIMINATE THE MAXIMUM EXTENT OF THE POLLUTANTS THAT ARE IN THE WATER.
ESSENTIALLY, THE CLEAN WATER ACT, UH, I'M NOT GONNA READ IT TO YOU, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT THERE.
UH, UH, HOW IT, UH, ESSENTIALLY DEFINES IT.
UM, SOUTH CAROLINA, DEC, THE M-P-D-E-S PROGRAM, WHICH IS WHAT HARDY WILL FOLLOWS RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WILL, UH, TALKS ABOUT, UH, UH, BUILDING IT SUCH THAT, UH, THE MAXIMUM POLLUTANT REMOVAL, TO THE EXTENT THAT ANY KIND OF DISCHARGES DOWNSTREAM WILL NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT WATER QUALITY.
THAT'S WHAT WE ARE FOLLOWING RIGHT NOW THROUGH OUR SRC PROGRAM AND SUCH.
HERE IN THE CITY OF HARDY, V ONE, OTHER ONE, SOUTH CAROLINA, DOT.
EVERYBODY'S LIKE, WHY ARE YOU TALKING DOT? WELL, BECAUSE DOT HAS A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT RUNS THROUGH HARDY BUILT, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH WHEN IT COMES TO STORMWATER.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE CLEARLY WHAT THEIR DEFINITION OF MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL IS.
SO IT'S, IT'S THE LEVEL OF EFFORT DEEMED NECESSARY, DEEMED NECESSARY BY WHO? BY THOSE PROFESSIONALS THAT DO THIS TYPE OF WORK DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
SO IT'S, IT'S THE LEVEL OF EFFORT DEEMED NECESSARY TO COMPLY WITH STATE AND FEDERAL WATER QUALITY GOALS.
CONSIDERING THE COMMON KNOWLEDGE OF POLLUTANTS IN DISCHARGES, THE IMPACT THAT THESE DISCHARGES ARE GONNA HAVE ON WATER QUALITY AND COMMONLY USED ENGINEERING DESIGN STANDARDS, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD DEFINITION.
I THINK IT'S PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE.
THE DESIGN MANUAL, IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY AT IT, IT BASICALLY FOLLOWS THE WORDS OF THE CLEAN WATER ACT SAYING PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING.
THE ONLY THING IT TALKS ABOUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IS A FEE IN LIEBE.
AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DESIGN MANUAL CALLS OUT A PROCESS OR A METHOD WHEREBY IF THE DEVELOPER OR THE CONTRACTOR CANNOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE DESIGN MANUAL, UH, CALLS FOR, THEN THEY CAN PAY A FEE TO THE CITY, AND THE CITY WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
WELL, HERE'S SOME QUESTIONS FOR THAT.
WHO IN THE CITY DECIDES THAT? WHO INSTALLS THAT? AND THEN MORE SO WHO MAINTAINS THAT ONCE IT'S INSTALLED? SO THAT'S A VERY COMPLICATED THING TO TAKE A LOOK AT, IS A FEE IN LIEU.
ALRIGHT, IF A CONTRACTOR SAYS THEY CAN'T DO IT, AND HEY, ALRIGHT, WELL, CITY WILL DO IT.
HEY, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT ONE BECAUSE ONE NECESSARILY HAVE THE STAFF TO DO THAT.
TWO, WE GOTTA BE CAREFUL WITH WHAT THAT FEE IS ACTUALLY GONNA LOOK LIKE.
IS THAT FEE GONNA INCLUDE FOR THE LIFETIME OF THIS FACILITY, IF YOU WILL, TO MAINTAIN IT? PERHAPS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DECIDED.
SO THAT'S A VERY, VERY TRICKY PLACE TO, TO GO.
I THINK IF, IF WE DECIDE TO DO THAT, GO FEE IN LOOP OFF OF THIS, THAT'S OUR OPTION.
WE, THE, THIS DOESN'T FORCE US TO ACCEPT THE FEE
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IN LIEU.WHAT, WHAT I'M SHOWING HERE IS THAT THERE'S AN ALTERNATE TO IF A CONTRACTOR CAN'T DO IT, THE DESIGN MANUAL SAYS, HEY, WELL, YOU CAN ALSO HAVE A FEE IN LIEU, RIGHT? SO IN, IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE CONTRACTOR CAN'T DO IT, THEN THE CITY WILL DO IT.
SO ON THIS SLIDE HERE, CLEARLY, UH, I GO WITH SOUTH CAROLINA, DOT, UM, DEFINITION OF MAXIMUM EXTENT, PRACTICAL 'CAUSE.
AGAIN, I THINK IT'S THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE, STRAIGHTFORWARD WAY OF LOOKING AT IT.
MOVING ON TO THE NEXT REQUIREMENT, UH, THAT'S IN THE DESIGN MANUAL IS WATER QUALITY.
AGAIN, THE DESIGN MANUAL FOCUSES MAINLY ON WATER QUALITY.
THEY ALSO CALL OUT WATER QUANTITY.
WELL, IN TERMS OF WATER QUALITY, THE BIGGEST THING TO TAKE AWAY FROM THIS IS THEY TALK ABOUT WHENEVER, UH, DEVELOPMENT OR CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE.
THE, THE STORM WATER WILL GO BACK TO THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT LEVELS, PRE-DEVELOPMENT LEVELS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT D-M-Z-D-O, YOU'LL SEE THE EXACT SAME THING, MAXIMUM EXTENT REMOVAL TO THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT LEVELS.
SOUTH CAROLINA, DOT HAS THEIR, UH, THEIR, THEIR WATER QUALITY, UH, UM, GUIDANCE AS WELL.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS ALL AGENCIES COMPLY WITH WATER QUALITY STANDARDS BY ENCOURAGING REMOVAL OF POLLUTANTS TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT THAT'S HAPPENING ALREADY.
IF WE STICK WITH WATER QUALITY, WHICH I'D LIKE TO DO HERE REAL QUICK, THIS NEXT SLIDE SHOWS IMPAIRED WATERS IN AND AROUND OUR AREA.
SO, REAL QUICKLY, THIS COMES RIGHT OUT OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA WATERSHED ATLAS OFF THE, UH, SOUTH CAROLINA DHC WEBSITE.
UH, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO SEE HERE, BUT HOPEFULLY IN YOUR SLIDES YOU'LL SEE WHAT LOOK LIKE RED FOOTBALLS.
THEY SHOULD BE RED DOTS, BUT THEY, THEY LOOK LIKE RED FOOTBALLS.
UM, THAT SHOWS ESSENTIALLY AT LOCATIONS THAT THEY'VE TESTED AND THEY HAVE SOME IMPAIRMENTS.
WHAT ARE THOSE IMPAIRMENTS? ESSENTIALLY IMPAIRMENTS IN JASPER COUNTY CONSIST OF MERCURY, DISSOLVED OXYGEN, INTERO, WHICH IS THE BACTERIA FROM HUMANS, ANIMALS, FOOD, WATER, SOILS.
YOU HAVE COLI OUT THERE, BACTERIA FROM HUMANS, ANIMALS.
YOU HAVE TURBIDITY, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY SUSPENDED SOLIDS IN THE WATER, WHICH CAUSES IT TO LOOK CLOUDY.
ESSENTIALLY, YOUR EROSION FROM YOUR CONSTRUCTION SITES AND DEVELOPMENTS ARE THE MAJOR CAUSE OF THAT.
UH, THE CLOUDINESS IN THE WATER AS, AS WE GO FORTH IMPAIRED USES RIGHT NOW IN JASPER COUNTY, ACCORDING TO THE REPORTS THAT WE'VE READ, AQUATIC LIFE, OF COURSE, IS IMPACTED BECAUSE OF SOME OF THESE, UH, THE, THESE, UM, THESE IMPAIRMENTS.
UH, RECREATION, SWIMMING, YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL WHERE YOU SWIM IN CERTAIN AREAS BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, IMPAIRMENT.
AND THEN CONSUMPTION OF FISH, MAINLY BECAUSE OF, OF COURSE, MERCURY.
RIGHT? THAT'S IN THE WATER OUT THERE.
SO YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL, YOU CATCH THE FISH.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AND YOU GO A LITTLE BIT CLOSER IN ON HARDY V, WHAT THIS SLIDE IS SHOWING US ARE THE THREE THAT ARE CLOSEST TO THE CITY LIMITS OF HARDY V.
YOU GOT ONE UP IN THE NORTHWEST, SAVANNAH RIVER, BECKS FERRY LANDING.
YOU LOOK AT MILLSTONE LANDING MERCURY, YOU LOOK DOWN TO THE SOUTHEAST, THE NEW RIVER AT ONE 70.
UH, UH, TESTING STATION, MERCURY AND IN THORO.
OKAY, SO THOSE ARE THE THREE THAT CAR TRACK? YES, THOSE ARE THE THREE THAT ARE CLOSEST TO US.
MR. MAYOR WAS GONNA MENTION THAT, UH, CAR TRACK DEVELOPMENT WILL BE CLOSE TO THE RIVER, UH, NEW RIVER ONE 70, UH, TESTING STATION.
SO WE'LL NEED TO KEEP A, A CLOSER EYE ON THIS AS WE WE MOVE FORWARD.
THE WETLAND BUFFERS THAT ARE ALREADY OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, ALONG WITH WHAT THE, UH, UH, THE DEVELOPER IS PUTTING IN PLACE, SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO TREAT THE WATER THAT'S GOING TO GO TO THIS AREA SO THAT WE WON'T HAVE ANY MORE NEGATIVE IMPACTS IN THIS AREA.
WE NEED TO KEEP A WATCH ON THAT THOUGH, FOR SURE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO, PERHAPS, UH, FOR DEVELOPMENTS, UH, OR CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS DIRECTLY IMPACTS, UH, IMPAIRED WATER, SIMILAR TO THE CAR TRACK, IS WE, LET'S SAY WITHIN A HALF A MILE OF THE IMPAIRED WATERS SHOULD CONSIDER MORE STRICT, UH, BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES AS TO NOT IMPACT WATER DOWNSTREAM, THE WATER QUALITY DOWNSTREAM.
BUT AGAIN, IF YOU REMEMBER BACK ON, UH, SLIDE FIVE, D-M-Z-D-O ALREADY AUTHORIZES THE CITY TO SAY TO A CONTRACTOR OR A DEVELOPER, HEY, I WANT MORE STRICTER, BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES IN PLACE.
SO WE'VE ALREADY GOT THAT IN OUR MZDO THAT SAYS WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.
THE WHAT I'M PARTICULARLY CONCERNED AND CONTRACTS VIVID EXAM EXAMPLE.
BUT WE HAD SOME SPECIFICATIONS IN THERE WHEN EVEN WHEN WE ANNEXED THAT, THAT THERE WOULD BE MEASUREMENTS.
AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A NEED HERE.
IS THERE SOMETHING IN HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS, WHEN WE HAVE THIS, THAT THERE IS NO FURTHER DETERIORATION OF, AND BECAUSE THIS IS PARTICULARLY, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE OTHER MAP WHERE THE FOOTBALLS ARE, THAT'S RIGHT AT THE, THE HEADWATERS OF THE MAY RIVER.
SO IT'S A, WE WE ALL KNEW IT WAS AN ENVIRONMENTALLY
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SENSITIVE AREA, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME STRICTNESS IN THESE TYPE OF AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY FAILING IN SOME OF THE MEASUREMENTS THAT DOESN'T GET WORSE.AS, UM, FIRST OF ALL, THIS, THIS BRINGS IT TO LIGHT AS IT'S MOVING THROUGH THE SRC PROCESSES AND OTHER THINGS AND THIS, THAT, THAT, THAT HELPS A LOT THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH THIS.
WE'RE ADDING SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THESE THINGS.
BUT AS JOHN MENTIONED, THAT THOSE BUFFERS ARE KEY AND, UM, AND WE ARE MAKING SURE THE EXPERTS ARE, ARE KEEPING IN TOUCH WITH US AND WE'RE, WE'RE MONITORING IT THROUGH SRC AND OTHER THINGS AS WE GO.
SO, UM, TIMING WAS PERFECT ON THIS FOR US.
SO YES, SIR, IT WILL BE ADHERED TO.
I I HAVE ONE QUESTION REGARDING ALL OF THIS.
DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY IN, UM, THE INSPECTIONS WHO IS TRAINED IN EROSION CONTROL? UH, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE OUR CONSULTING ENGINEERS THAT WE WORK WITH, BUT, UM, MR. BOYD IS NOW, UM, EPSY CERTIFIED.
AND, UM, AND KATIE IS ONE OF THE BETTER EXPERTS JUST THROUGH EXPERIENCE AND TIME THROUGH BLUFF AND NAN HERE.
UM, BUT, UM, WE, AS I WE'RE CONTINUING TO LOOKING AT, AT GROWING AND GETTING THOSE CERTIFICATIONS AND MAKING SURE STAFF IS WORKING TOGETHER AS WELL AS OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ALSO HAS THAT, UM, STORMWATER AND, AND, AND SW SW TRAINING.
UM, I MAKE SURE I'M GETTING IT ALL, ALL THE ACRONYMS RIGHT.
SO, UM, QUITE THE TEAM LOOKING AT ALL THIS RIGHT NOW, OKAY? 'CAUSE WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO, WE CAN'T FIX WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED, BUT WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY NOT TO LET IT HAPPEN ANYMORE.
AND I BELIEVE EROSION CONTROL ON EVERY ONE OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE GOING IS GONNA BE CRITICAL TO THAT.
OKAY, SO LET'S CARRY ON WITH THIS.
UM, WHERE WAS I ON THIS OTHER SLIDE HERE? I DON'T LIKE THIS MOUSE.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE RIGHT HERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE THREE THAT ARE REALLY, REALLY KIND OF CLOSE TO THE CITY LIMITS HERE.
UH, IF ANYTHING, THOSE ARE THE AREAS OF INTEREST THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, AND YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE POLLUTANTS THAT ARE AT BOTH OF THOSE AREAS.
SO NOW IF I GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS FOCUS MORE IN ON, UM, THE BECKS FERRY LANDING.
BECKS FERRY LANDING IS IN YELLOW THERE.
MILLSTONE LANDING WILL BE JUST TO THE SOUTH ON THE SAVANNAH RIVER.
SO WHAT I WAS THINKING IS, I WAS LOOKING AT THIS IS, OKAY, WHAT'S CAUSING THAT? WHAT'S, WHERE'S THAT COMING FROM, THAT POLLUTANT, IF YOU WILL.
TWO THINGS CAME, POPPED OUT, JUST LOOKING GOOGLE EARTH, JUST TO THE NORTH, YOU HAVE THE JASPER POWER COUNTY OR THE JASPER POWER GENERATION STATION, THE PERRYSBURG WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
NOW IT'S TREATED, IT'S TREATED WATER, KIND OF FALLS RIGHT INTO THE SAVANNAH RIVER.
SO HERE, HERE'S THE QUESTION YOU HAVE THERE IS, IS THAT CONTRIBUTING ANYTHING? THEN YOU'VE GOT OVER TO THE RIGHT, THE GEORGIA POWER PLANT.
OF COURSE, IT'S RETIRED IN 2019, IS WHAT THE RESEARCH SHOWS.
HOWEVER, IS THERE STILL RESIDUAL OUT THERE THAT'S FLOWING THROUGH THE WATERS? WE DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THEY'RE PICKING UP MERCURY AT BECKS FERRY LANDING, AND THEN FURTHER DOWN TO MILLSTONE LANDING, UH, IF YOU WILL.
SO, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, UH, NATIONAL WILDLIFE FEDERATION, UH, REPORT THAT THEY HAD WRITTEN, THEY, THEY BRING UP, UH, COAL-FIRED POWER PLANTS ARE BY FAR THE LARGEST SOURCE OF MERCURY POLLUTION IN AMERICA.
SO, CAN'T GO AND POSITIVELY SAY THAT THESE ARE NOW COAL FIRED POWER PLANTS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
MAYBE THEY'RE BEING GENER OR BEING FUELED BY SOMETHING ELSE RIGHT NOW.
BUT I WOULD SAY SOMETIME IN THE PAST, THESE PROBABLY WERE.
SO LOOKING AT THAT AND THINKING THROUGH IT, IS IT THE INDUSTRY WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT? OR IS IT HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS MORE SO THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT? SO SOME OF THESE THINGS NEED TO BE DISCUSSED.
IT'S MORE THAN JUST CONSTRUCTION AND, UH, HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON.
THERE'S INDUSTRY OUT THERE THAT ARE DOING THINGS AS WELL.
SO, IN CONCLUSION, GOSH, I GOT THROUGH THAT FAIRLY QUICK.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO SHOW YOU HERE IS THE DESIGN MANUAL IN THE MZDO.
THEY COVER MUCH OF THE SAME TOPICS, COMES TO BETTER SITE DESIGN WHEN IT COMES TO BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES TO WATER QUALITY TO THE DEFINITION OF MEP OR MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL.
YOU'LL SEE THESE, ALL THESE, UH, TOPICS COVERED IN BOTH OF THESE DOCUMENTS.
SO THE QUESTION THEN AT THE BOTTOM THERE, SO WHAT PROBLEM DOES THE DESIGN MANUAL SOLVE THAT THE MZBO DOESN'T? AGAIN, I THINK IT GOES BACK TO PARTICULARLY IF WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE CAR TRACK, IF YOU WILL, PERHAPS, UH, IT PROVIDES FURTHER BMP BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE CONSIDERATION FOR DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION, WHICH MAY DIRECTLY SAY WITHIN A HALF MILE DISCHARGE, STORMWATER RUNOFF TO IMPAIRED WATERS.
HOWEVER, HARDY V THROUGH ITS DA PDDS AND OTHER CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENTS ADDRESSES IMPAIRED WATERS RIGHT NOW.
SO, DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE A, A, A LITTLE BIT HARDER LOOK AT
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THESE PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME ACROSS THE SRC, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DO.THE LAST SLIDE HERE IS A RECOMMENDATION SLIDE, UH, THAT WE PUT IN FRONT OF, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
FIRST ONE THERE IS ADOPTING AN AMENDING SECTIONS FROM THE DESIGN MANUAL TO INCLUDE CHAPTER THREE, MINIMUM CONTROL REQUIREMENTS.
CHAPTER FOUR, UH, STORMWATER BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
WHY DO I SAY THAT? BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY SHOWN THAT BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, I CAN SHOW YOU THE MZDO AND THEN THE JASPER COUNTY DESIGN MANUAL COVERS EVERYTHING THAT THE DESIGN MANUAL DOES AS WELL.
HOWEVER, I THINK WE GO AHEAD AND WE AMEND IT TO, TO SAY, HEY, CONSIDER IT DESIGN PROFESSIONALS.
THERE MAY BE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT, UH, WOULD SPARK SOMETHING FOR OUR DESIGN, UH, FOLKS TO, UH, MAKE SOMETHING BETTER.
WE SHOULDN'T LIMIT THEM ON THAT.
INCLUDE THE JASPER COUNTY STORMWATER MANAGEMENT DESIGN MANUAL IN THE MZDO SECTION.
AGAIN, JUST LIKE I ASKED, UH, HERE THIS MORNING, DID ANYBODY EVEN KNOW THAT EXISTED? I, I DON'T THINK MANY PEOPLE DO.
UH, I THINK, UH, I DIDN'T UNTIL WE STARTED RESEARCHING IT AND FINDING IT.
SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD DOCUMENT.
IT WAS WRITTEN FOR JASPER COUNTY, AND SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT.
THE THIRD ONE DOWN THERE IS JUST ADDING ANOTHER SECTION OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA DHEC REGULATIONS.
UH, THAT'S NOT IN OUR SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS RIGHT NOW.
DEFINING THE MEP, UH, MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL, LIKE I HAD MENTIONED, UH, FOLLOWING THE S-E-D-O-T, I'VE, I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM RECOMMENDING WORD FOR WORD THAT, THAT BE PUT INTO OUR MCDO, ADDING A STATEMENT IN THE E-M-Z-D-O.
UH, HERE AGAIN, UH, MINIMUM WATER QUALITY STANDARDS.
THIS IS AGAIN, TOWARDS THE PERMANENT WATER QUALITY.
JUST MAKING SURE THAT WATER QUALITY IS, UH, A HIGH PRIORITY, UH, FOR ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS IN OUR CONSTRUCTION THAT ARE GOING ON, UH, IN HARDY.
AND THEN THE LAST THING IS, IS THE DESIGN MANUAL APPLICABLE TO HARDY? THAT WAS THE SECOND QUESTION.
AND I THINK A YES IT IS, BUT ONLY IN AMENDED FORM.
AND MY INTENT WOULD BE, IF YOU APPROVE THIS, IS TO WORK WITH OUR, UH, DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, OUR CONSULTANTS, ALONG WITH THE, UH, THE PLANNING DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST AMENDED FORM WOULD BE FOR US TO USE.
ANY QUESTIONS? I KNOW, I, I JOKED, BUT THE JASPER COUNTY DESIGN MANUAL, DID THEY ADOPT THIS? IS THAT THE ADOPTED SO LOCO, UH, SO THEY DID, I KNOW, 'CAUSE I, THE REASON I ASKED, I KNOW BEAUFORT COUNTY DID IN SOME FORM MM-HMM.
SO, UM, IS THAT DESIGNED MANUAL? A MANUAL FROM LIKE THE TURN OF THE LAST CENTURY? NO, SIR.
UM, IT, IT, IT IS, UH, I THINK THE DATE ON THIS, SO IT IS JUST OVER A DECADE OLD.
BUT THAT SHOULD NOT REALLY MATTER BECAUSE THE CONCEPTS OF PRINCIPLES THAT ARE IN THERE STILL APPLY TODAY.
SO IT'S, IT'S, AND IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'LL FIND IN THE DESIGN MANUAL.
IT WAS, IT WAS DONE THROUGH CONSULTANT, UH, I BELIEVE THOMPSON HU THOMPSON HUTTON WORKED ON THAT, UM, A WHILE BACK.
UM, IT'S ONE OF THOSE WE TALKED ABOUT SITTING ON THE SHELF.
AND, UM, THIS HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
WE NEED TO, UM, ACCESS IT, I GUESS IS THE RIGHT WORD.
WELL, I'M NO EXPERT, BUT I THINK THE OBJECTIVE IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CHANGE IN PEOPLE ALL THE TIME.
YOU MENTIONED, WELL, WE'RE ALL CONCERNED.
WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHEN YOU'RE NOT HERE, I'M NOT HERE NEXT, THIS TIME, NEXT YEAR, MR. ZIBO IS NOT, WE DON'T KNOW WHO IN THAT ROOM, UH, ROOM IS GONNA BE HERE.
IT, THERE'S GOTTA BE WRITTEN GUIDELINES THAT TAKE OUR PRINCIPLES THAT WE BELIEVE IN, PUT IT IN WRITING SO THE NEXT PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND THEY HAVE A STANDARD THAT WE BELIEVE IN, OR YOU BELIEVE IN THIS.
THIS IS MORE YOUR, SO, SO, I, I, I, IF I COULD, UM, DO, DO THEY HAVE A COPY OF THE, THE EDITED VERSION OF THE CD OKAY.
SO IN THERE, YOU SHOULD SEE IN THERE SHOULD BE, I GUESS IN YELLOW, UM, WHAT WE'VE, FROM THIS BRIEF HERE, WHAT WE'VE RECOMMENDED BE CHANGED.
THIS SEEMS, THIS SEEMS WONDERFUL.
I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THE BOOK LOOKS LIKE.
I COME AWAY WITH SAYING, OKAY, IT'S IN GOOD HANDS.
I CAN GO TO SLEEP, TAKE IT AWAY IF I CAN INTERJECT.
THE ONLY THING I DON'T LIKE, AND OF COURSE, WHEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LIVE WITH THAT IS THAT FEE IN LIEU.
THAT'S WHY THEY GO, WHERE THE MAYOR HAS GONE WITH THIS IS WE'VE MAKE THIS TIGHT BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA DO FEE IN LIEU.
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TO SOMEBODY FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THIS FEE IN LIEU DEVELOPERS OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT COMES IN HERE THAT'S GONNA BUILD IN OUR COMMUNITY.THEY CAN'T BE EXPECTING TO PAY SOME MONEY AND PUT THAT RESPONSIBILITY BACK ONTO THE CITY.
AND SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT THE DESIGN MANUAL PROPOSES.
HEY, IF, IF YOUR CONTRACTOR CAN'T GET IT DONE THE WAY YOU SAY IT NEEDS TO BE DONE CITY, THEN YOU CAN SAY, HEY, YOU'RE GONNA PAY ME THEN CONTRACTOR OF THE CITY, AND I'M GONNA GO OUT AND DO IT FOR YOU.
AGAIN, WHEN IT COMES TO AMENDING THE DESIGN MANUAL TO FIT HARDY V, PERHAPS THAT GETS PULLED OUT.
AND WE, WE USE THE THINGS THAT WE CAN USE OUT OF THE DESIGN MANUAL, UH, TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR OUR DESIGN ENGINEERS FOR CONSIDERATION, AND SUCH AS THEY GO FORTH WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT WHAT'S A GREEN ROOF? A A GREEN ROOF WOULD BE, THINK ABOUT THIS.
SO IF THIS IS A ROOF RIGHT HERE OF A, OF A BUILDING, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE ON THERE WOULD BE SMALL TREES, GREEN SPACES OH.
THEY WOULD BUILD IT UP SO THAT THEY COULD UTILIZE THAT FOR MORE GREEN.
THEN YOU GET, GO TO KEEP IT BOWED DOWN.
UM, THEY'VE MOVED AWAY FROM THAT, UM, IN OUR AREA, MAINLY BECAUSE THE PLANTS THAT GROW NEED A LOT OF WATER, WATER ON THE ROOF, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO THERE'S SOME PROS AND CONS TO THAT, THAT WE WOULD NEED TO EXPLORE SOME MORE.
I I HAVE ONE QUESTION ON YOUR LAST SLIDE.
THE BOTTOM, UM, THE, UH, IT'S THE DESIGN MANUAL WORKS FOR HARDY BILL, BUT IN ITS AMENDED FORM.
AND MY QUESTION IS TO DO THE AMENDING AND GO THROUGH THIS AND GET EVERYWHERE IN THE AMENDED FORM THAT YOU WANT TO DO.
WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON THAT? WHAT DO YOU THINK? UH, TIME-WISE? YOU KNOW IT, MR. ROY, THAT'S KINDA HARD, HARD FOR ME TO REALLY SAY RIGHT NOW.
I, ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT I WOULD WORK WITH, LIKE I SAID, WITH OUR, OUR CONSULTING PARTNERS.
'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BRING A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE TO THE TABLE AS TO HOW, BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY WORKED HERE AND HOW THAT SHOULD BE, HOW IT SHOULD BE WRITTEN AND READ.
UM, UH, MAYBE I COULD GO BACK TO, UM, KATIE AND I VISITED WITH, UH, BLUFFTON, UH, ON THEIR PROCESS AND HOW THEY GOT TO WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
AND MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IT TOOK THEM, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH TIME TO, TO ACTUALLY AMEND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DESIGN MANUAL TO FIT BLUFFTON.
WOULD YOUR GUESS BE SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR? I, I THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH SOONER THAN SIX MONTHS.
'CAUSE UH, A AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE WE'RE ASKING HERE IS WE AMEND W WE ADOPT CHAPTERS THREE AND FOUR.
CHAPTERS THREE IS THE WATER QUALITY.
CHAPTER FOUR IS THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
THOSE, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND THEN WE CAN WORK TO JUST AMEND THOSE AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT INTO OUR MZDO.
OKAY, WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT, WELL, I RECOMMEND WE DON'T PUT IT WORD WORD IN THE MZDO, BUT WE REFERENCE IT.
MCDO SHOULD STAY LEGISLATIVE AND LET THE DESIGN MANUAL STAY IN THE TECHNICAL REFERENCES.
I, I THINK GETTING IT INTO THAT AMENDED FORM OF WHAT YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED IS, IS VERY CRITICAL, SIR.
THAT'S, UM, OUR, OUR OVERALL PRESENTATION.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, I, I, I LIKE TO SAY THAT WE'VE, WE, WE'VE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT AND, AND HEART INTO THIS AND, AND HOPEFULLY WE HAVE HIT THE HIGH POINTS OF CHANGES.
UM, YES, YOU COUNSEL HAS THE RIGHT TO, TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, APPROVE WITH ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES.
UM, I JUST WANNA KEEP IN MIND THAT WANT YOU TO KEEP IN MIND THAT, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID PUT SOME TIME INTO THIS AND, AND SORRY IT TOOK LONG TO GET IT HERE, BUT I'M, I'M, I'M HAPPY ABOUT THE STATE.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF HARD WORK AND YOU ALL, UH, I'M VERY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT YOU DID.
INCLUDING THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS.
SEND OUR, SEND OUR COMPLIMENTS.
WE, WE, WE ONLY FOUGHT A LITTLE BIT, BUT, BUT I THINK IT ALL FOR THE BEST, SO THANK YOU.
ARPA, THE PLANET KEEPS ON GIVING.
UH, SO MR. JACK, COME DOWN AND JUST JODY
[C. AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT PROJECT STATUS UPDATES]
AND MR. OTHER, MR. JB, UM, WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE.UM, I THINK THE COUNCIL, I THINK YOU'VE SEEN THIS A COUPLE TIMES.
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GET THE FUNDS OBLIGATED BY THE END OF THIS YEAR AND SPENT IN TWO YEARS FROM THAT POINT.UM, SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY VIEWED, PLUS THE THREE NEW PROJECTS THAT WE ARE GONNA PROPOSE THAT WE USE THE REMAINING FUNDS FOR IT.
CAN YOU GO TO THE ONE PAGE WITH THE, THE SPREADSHEET FIRST PLEASE? FOR MY PART, WE'RE JUST GONNA RUN THROUGH WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ORIGINALLY WITH THE FUNDING HERE.
AND, UM, UH, AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
THE FIRST, THESE PROJECTS, A THROUGH N WERE ON THE ORIGINAL, UH, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
CAN WE IN BIG THAT A LITTLE BIT BIG? THAT'S A WORD.
SO WE HAD THE ESSENTIAL WORKER PREMIUM PAY.
I'M GONNA LEAVE, UH, FOR JOHN AND JODY TO GO THROUGH ALL THE PROJECTS WE HAVE HERE.
BUT FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, COUNCIL APPROVED THE 3 MILLION 6 23, 3 0 8 THAT WE HAD, THAT THIS IS HOW WE WERE GOING TO USE IT.
THEN WE HAVE THROUGH NOVEMBER WHAT HAD ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
AND THEN THE BALANCE THAT GOT LEFT REMAIN REMAINING.
NOW I AM ADDING THE INTEREST IN.
SO INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SPEND THE 2 MILLION, THE 3,000,623 CURRENTLY WITH THROUGH THE DECEMBER INTEREST, IT'S 3,000,781.
SO WE'VE MADE A HUNDRED AND ALMOST $160,000 IN INTEREST THAT WE'RE APPLYING.
WE'RE KEEPING THE MONEY SEPARATE, OF COURSE.
SO WE'RE APPLYING THAT MONEY TO THESE.
SO IN THE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO REPROGRAM, WE HAVE, UH, 679, SAY $680,000 THAT WE CAN REPROGRAM.
AND OUR THOUGHT IS, AS WE REPROGRAM THOSE FUNDS, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT PHASE TWO OF THE NATURAL GAS TO DOWNTOWN FOR BUSINESSES.
WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT I THINK SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
SO THAT'S EXCITING TO SEE THAT ON THERE.
FINALIZING THE RECREATION CENTER, PARKING AND THEN, UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PARKING REDESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION FOR ANOTHER ALMOST $380,000 IS WHAT THE REPROGRAMMING WOULD BE.
SO BEFORE THE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK, GET STARTED, DID WE WANT TO TALK ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON THIS SPREADSHEET? SO, UH, JOHN ON, WE'RE ON THE REPROGRAMMING FUNDS.
ON THE ONE COLUMN, IT HAS THOSE BOTTOM THREE THINGS IS 679,000.
SO WHERE DOES THAT COME AWAY FROM? THAT'S COMING FROM, LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT A, WE HAD PROPOSED FOR ESSENTIAL WORKER PREMIUM PAY BACK WHEN THIS ALL FIRST STARTED, 180,242.
WELL, THAT ACTUAL NUMBER WAS WAS 807,000 OR $807 LESS THAN THAT, BECAUSE WE HAD SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE ON THE LIST.
SO THIS IS WHO ACTUALLY DID IT.
UH, AND THEN IF YOU GO AND YOU LOOK AT, UM, OTHER PROJECTS WHERE IT'S, IT'S COST LESS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
LIKE IF YOU LOOK HERE, UH, THE JOHN SMITH CULVERT, WE REALIZE NOW JOHN BROWN WILL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AS HE'S LOOKED AT IT SINCE HE'S BEEN HERE, WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
SO THAT'S $85,000 OF APA MONEY WE HAD PLANNED TO SPEND THAT WE NOW KNOW WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND.
SO THAT, THAT'S HOW IT GOT IN THIS AVAILABLE TO REPROGRAM COLUMN TO GET US TO THE SIX 80.
WANT ME TO JUMP IN? SO, UM, ON THE VETERANS PARK, YES.
MY QUESTION, WHY ARE WE TAKING AWAY $90,000? BECAUSE VETERANS PARK IN ITS ENTIRETY IS FAR MORE THAN $300,000.
MR. DAVIS WOULD NEED TO, TO SPEAK TO THAT.
BUT THIS, THE PART, THE AMOUNT OR THE WORK THAT WE ANTICIPATED, UH, THAT WOULD COST $300,000 IS ACTUALLY COSTING 2 49 AND, AND 6,240 9,068.
SO FOR THAT PIECE OF VETERANS PARK THAT, THAT WE HAD APPROVED, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND THAT OTHER $90,000 THAT'S DESIGN FUNDS.
SO THAT GO BACK TO MY QUESTION.
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GENERAL, GENERAL HAVE MORE ON THAT LATER.UM, NO, YOU WON'T
BUT WHAT THIS PROJECT, I'M RIGHT ABOUT SPLASH PADS
SO, BUT THIS, UH, UH, THE M VETERANS PARK PROJECT, THAT $300,000 WAS SET TO DO A SPECIFIC PIECE.
IT'S JUST OF THAT, JUST THE VETERANS PARK PERIOD, THAT PIECE, THAT ONE PIECE HAS COME UNDER.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT 90,000.
SO IF WE'RE GOOD ON THE SPREADSHEET PIECE, WE'LL LET JOHN AND JODY AND I GUESS MAYBE MATT, TALK TO YOU ABOUT
I'LL GO LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM AND TRY AND KEEP IT QUICK.
SO I THINK SOME OF THIS IS SELF-EXPLANATORY.
UH, OUR REC CENTER, JUJU HUDSON PUMPS, I JUST TALKED WITH THE DESIGNER THIS MORNING AND HIS SECOND ROUND OF COMMENTS SHOULD BE BACK FROM B-J-W-S-A BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH.
BUT THAT PROJECT IS DESIGNED, AND THEN WE WILL BE KICKING OFF AN INVITATION TO BID FOR CONTRACTORS TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION, AND THEN OUR MC TIER PUMP STATION, UM, JOHN AND I ARE SHARING SOME OF THESE, SO WE CAN BOUNCE BACK AND FORTH IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEM TOO.
YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO LISTEN IN TO SEE IF SHE WENT FROM A TO C REALLY, REALLY QUICK THERE.
UM, WELL, THEY TALKED ENOUGH ABOUT STORMWATER
SO, SO, SO MC TEAR PUMP, IT, IT GOES TO, UH, IT GOES TO STORMWATER HERE, ESSENTIALLY.
UM, THIS WAS A PRODUCT THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER, UH, TO DO A LOT OF HEAVY WORK AT THE PUMP ITSELF TO INCLUDE, UH, AN ACCESS ROAD BACK THERE TO IT.
UM, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE, UH, ALL OF YOU BACK THERE SOMETIME TO, UH, SEE THE SWAMP THAT THIS PUMP STATION ACTUALLY SITS IN.
HOWEVER, UH, SINCE THEN WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH THE DEVELOPER OF THE, UH, ROYAL ROYAL OAKS.
YEAH, ROYAL ROYAL OAKS PHASE TWO, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA BE GOING BACK THERE.
THEY ARE GONNA PROVIDE US ACCESS TO THE PUMP, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA NEED TO PUT AN ACCESS ROAD BACK THERE.
UM, WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH THOMAS AND HUTTON, WHO'S BEEN DOING SOME, UH, ENGINEERING FOR US OUT THERE AS WELL.
SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE'VE REDUCED THE SCOPE DOWN, UH, DRAMATICALLY TO, TO INCLUDE SOME, UH, SOME POWER UPGRADES, SOME PUMP UPGRADES, UH, TO LOWER A, UH, INLET PIPE TO THE PUMP ITSELF, UH, AND TO DO SOME CLEANING ON THE, UH, THE DITCH LINE THAT LEADS TO THE PUMP.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW.
AND I'LL GO BACK TO C WITH REGARD TO THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN.
THOMAS AND HUTTON HAS COMPLETED THAT IT WAS PHASED OUT OVER MULTIPLE YEARS.
WE DO NEED TO SET ASIDE A WORKSHOP TIME TO JUST GO THROUGH THAT MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS VERY EXTENSIVE AND A LITTLE TOO MUCH TO THROW AT YOU TODAY.
UM, THE JOHN SMITH ROAD CULVERT.
UM, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR MENTIONED THAT THAT WAS DEEMED UNNECESSARY.
THERE WAS ANOTHER CULVERT THAT EXISTED OUT THERE THAT WAS FOUND DURING THAT STORMWATER MASTER PLAN.
AND SO WE'VE DELETED THAT PROJECT FROM OUR BOOKS.
UM, JUJU PARK PHASE TWO DESIGN IS NEARLY COMPLETE, AND WE WILL BE GOING OUT FOR INVITATION TO BID WITHIN A FEW MONTHS AS SOON AS WE HAVE THE PERMITTING TIGHTENED UP WITH B-J-W-S-A.
AND OF COURSE, OUR PLANNING TEAM, UM, THE REC CENTER TURNSTILES, THAT'S ALL COMPLETED.
THE REGIONAL HOUSE HOUSING TRUST FUND, THERE'S NOTHING TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THERE.
UH, WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD CODE DIVISIONS, I BELIEVE THAT WAS BRIANNA'S TEAM THAT WORKED THROUGH ALL OF THAT WITH YOU.
UM, SAME WITH THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN THE EXUDATE SANITARY SEWER PROJECT THAT IS IN FOR A PERMIT WITH B-J-W-S-A, WHICH WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR OVER TWO MONTHS ON THAT PERMIT TO GET COMPLETED.
UM, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THAT WILL BE DONE BY THE END OF THIS MONTH, AND WE CAN GET MOVING ON THAT.
OUR NATURAL GAS, I DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO OF THAT.
UM, NEIL, DID YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING OR, YEAH, I MEAN, WITH WE, SAME AREA COUNCIL, THE, UH, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE NATURAL GAS, AND WE DID TALK ABOUT SOME DURING THE RETREAT AND STUFF AS WELL.
THE, UH, WE HAVE SIGNED FOR THE FIRST PHASE OF THAT PROJECT TO BE EXTENDED TO MAIN STREET CONNECTION, UH, THAT, THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING WITHIN THE NEXT PROBABLY 30 TO 60 DAYS.
UH, AFTER THAT, WE'RE, THEY'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT $200,000 TO EXTEND FROM MAIN STREET TO THE INTERSECTION OF BOYS STREET AND CROSS OUT GET, GETTING TO THE POINT THAT WE CAN'T CROSS OVER TO SERVE OUR PROPERTIES AND STUFF THAT WE, THAT WE OWN.
SO, SO THEN IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE RECREATION CENTER PARKING, WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS NEED FOR THAT GIVEN WE'VE EXPANDED THE SCOPE AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL OF THE PARKING LOT
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AND SIDEWALK PROJECTS KICKED OFF AT THE SAME TIME, TO SAVE MONEY ON THE INSTALLATION, WHEN YOU HAVE A BIGGER CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, YOU GET A BETTER BULK PRICING ON YOUR PAVING.SO, UM, 1 0 2, 1 0 4 MAIN STREET, WE HAVE A POWERPOINT, WHICH IS THIS GONNA HELP ME, ELIZABETH, OR I BELIEVE YOU'VE SEEN THIS POWERPOINT.
I'M NOT PLANNING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF IT, BUT, UM, WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU TODAY IS WHERE WE'RE PLANNING TO ALLOCATE SOME OF THE FUNDS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO DO A LOT OF RENOVATION WITHIN THE BUILDING TO GET IT TO A COMMERCIAL USE SPACE.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE BEST AND MOST BEAUTIFUL TREE IN ALL OF HARDY VALE SITS HERE.
THIS IS THE AERIAL THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
AND, UM, BEHIND THIS PROPERTY, NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER THREE, THAT IS LAND THAT WE OWN, THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO TURN ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR THAT MUNICIPAL HUB.
AND OF COURSE, TO UTILIZE FOR THE STAFF THAT WILL BE PLACED IN THIS BUILDING, OUR EOC BUILDING AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT COURTS BUILDING.
SO, W WE DID NOT OBTAIN THIS SECTION OF LAND HERE THAT'S, UH, LABELED NUMBER TWO.
WE WERE HOPING TO TRY AND GET THAT WHEN WE DID THE REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION FOR 1 0 2 AND 1 0 4.
UNFORTUNATELY, UM, THAT OWNER IS NOT AVAILABLE, SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE GREAT LAND TO INCORPORATE INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
BUT SOME OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WHEN WE MAKE THIS NEW PARKING AREA, WE WANNA REDESIGN HOW THIS LOOKS AND FLOWS BECAUSE IT, IT JUST IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO ITS CURRENT USE.
OBVIOUSLY, IT WAS THERE FOR HAR GRAY'S USE AND LAID OUT IN THAT FASHION FOR HOWEVER THEY MAY HAVE RECEIVED THEIR DELIVERIES.
IT'S JUST, IT'S A, IT'S A LOT OF SQUIRRELY, UM, INS AND OUTS THAT WE JUST, WE DON'T HAVE THE TURN RADIUS WE NEED.
SO, UM, ALONG 1 0 2 MAIN STREET, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING IS TO KEEP THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY THAT'S HERE ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN THIS PARKING IN THE BACK WOULD BE FOR GUESTS AND A DA PURPOSES.
AND THEN STAFF PARKING WOULD BE ALONG THIS SIDE WITH, UM, ACCESS FOR OUR EOC INDIVIDUALS TO PARK HERE.
AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO REWORK THIS AS A ONE WAY EXIT.
SO THEY'D COME IN AND EXIT THROUGH HERE BECAUSE WE'RE KEEPING TRAFFIC AWAY FROM THE, UM, CANOPY OF THE TREE.
AND OF COURSE, AN ARBORIST WILL BE INVOLVED, AND WE'LL HAVE EVERY RECOMMENDATION NECESSARY TO REMAIN, UM, CONSTANT WITH THAT TREE.
SOME OF THE INTERIOR UPGRADES AND EXTERIOR UPGRADES, I MEAN, THIS IS VERY MINIMAL LIPSTICK ON A PIG KIND OF BUDGETING.
IT'S ADDING THAT A DA RAMP AND RENOVATING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE OBVIOUS, BUT THERE WILL BE SOME UNFORESEEN CONDITIONS.
SO ONCE WE GET IN AND WE DO OUR BUILDING ASSESSMENT, IT'S POSSIBLE THIS WILL CHANGE.
UM, SOME OF THE DESIGN CONCERNS WE BELIEVE WE HAVE TO TIE INTO SEWER.
IT'S NOT CONFIRMED YET, BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S BELIEVED THAT IT'S SEPTIC.
THERE IS SOME ASBESTOS TILE IN THE ATTIC, WHICH WE WILL NOT DISTURB.
DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO RENOVATE AND REMOVE IT.
UM, WE JUST WON'T UTILIZE THE SECOND STORY.
THE A DA REQUIREMENTS, OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, IT HAS TO BE COMPLIANT FOR COMMERCIAL SPACE.
AND THEN, UM, MEP, WE DID DO A FEW ASSESSMENTS ON THAT.
SOME OF IT IS IN GOOD WORKING ORDER, BUT THERE ARE THINGS BEHIND THE WALLS THAT WE HAVE YET TO DETERMINE IF THAT WILL NEED REPLACED.
UM, AGAIN, I TALKED ABOUT THE ARBORISTS FOR THE TREES AND LANDSCAPING PARKING FOR OUR STAFF, CONVERTING THE GARAGE INTO A POSSIBLE STUDIO FOR MEDIA.
WE'VE GOT FIRE CODES TO WORRY ABOUT.
THE RESTROOM UPGRADES ARE GONNA BE THE BULK OF THE MONEY.
UM, AND THEN CONVERTING THE KITCHEN SPACE INTO MORE OF A COMMERCIAL BREAK ROOM SLASH LOBBY AREA.
SO, UM, THAT GIVES YOU A VERY QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN PLANNING, BUT, UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON 1 0 2, 1 0 4, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THEM.
COULD YOU GO BACK AND JUST PUT THOSE, UM, THE MONEY? YEAH, JUST FOR A SECOND.
THIS WAS A QUICK AND DIRTY ASSESSMENT OF IF WE TRIED TO GET IN THERE AND JUST DO WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE, THAT'S NOT IMPLEMENTING ANY NEW EXTERIOR FACADES.
IT'S, IT'S TAKING WHAT WE HAVE AND CLEANING IT UP.
AND THE ONE BEFORE THAT, PLEASE, UH, THAT ONE WAS TO GET US THE COST ESTIMATES FOR THE PARKING
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LOTS.AND THEN THE INTERIOR UPGRADES WERE THE THIRD SLIDE THERE.
IS, IS THE HVAC SYSTEM WORKABLE, USABLE? IT IS WORKING AND IT, AND IT HAS BEEN, UM, OPERATIONAL.
WE'VE BEEN KEEPING IT AND TEMPERED.
WILL IT BE CONFIGURED FOR THE NEW, I GUESS, IS IT WORK, UH, WORKABLE FOR WHAT WE'RE CHANGING THE BUILDING TO DO? UM, WELL, IT HASN'T BEEN CONFIRMED WHAT WE'RE CHANGING THE BUILDING TO DO, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND, IT WOULD BE A GREAT SPACE FOR OUR NEW COMMUNICATIONS IT AND MEDIA DEPARTMENT.
THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE IN THERE.
IT'S, IT'S A GREAT BUILDING FOR, UM, CREATING AT MINIMUM SEVEN WORKSPACES FOR STAFF MEMBERS TO, TO GO AND CONVERTING THE GARAGE INTO A USABLE STUDIO.
YOU HAVE TO FIGURE IN HVAC FOR THAT.
IS IT, IS IT A OLD HVAC SYSTEM? IS IT PRETTY CURRENT? NO, I'D SAY IT'S ABOUT FIVE YEARS OLD, SO IT'S NOT TOO BAD AND IT'S ENERGY EFFICIENT.
WE, I I'M CERTAIN THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE AREAS WITHIN THE BUILDING ENVELOPE THAT NEEDS SEALED.
SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF, WELL, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE INITIAL BUILDING ASSESSMENT THAT OUR ARCHITECTS WILL LOOK AT AND THE CRAWL SPACE BELOW AND, AND JUST, YEAH.
UM, THE RECREATION CENTER PARKING OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
IS THAT ENOUGH TO COMPLETE THE ENTIRE AREA? WELL, THE ENTIRE AREA, IT'S A PRETTY BROAD STATEMENT.
NO, IT, IT, IT WOULD NOT COMPLETE EVERYTHING THAT, UM, THAT I UNDERSTAND WE WANNA ACCOMPLISH BACK THERE.
BUT FOR THE DESIGN SCOPE THAT I HAVE CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGN, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THAT WILL HIT THE, THE POINT WHERE WE CAN GET IT DONE.
WHAT'S THE SCOPE OF THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS? IT WAS ADDING ADDITIONAL PAVING TO AREAS LEFT OF THE BASKETBALL COURTS.
I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN GIVE YOU THAT VISUAL, BUT WHERE YOU HAVE THE ROUNDABOUT, SO IT'S ADJACENT THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE BASKETBALL COURTS.
UM, WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT FOR THAT ADDITIONAL A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, WE'LL COMPLETE THESE TWO FOR THAT PARKING.
THE PLAN FOR PARKING IN THAT AREA BEHIND US, THAT SAME AREA IN THE BACK AREA.
UM, THE, UH, $200,000 AND THE PRE AND THE OTHER 200,000 THAT WE HAVE SOME LEFT OVER, THAT'S PHASE ONE AND TWO OF HOW MANY PHASES TO GET NATURAL GAS ALL THE WAY THROUGH DOWNTOWN THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN A PART OF.
SO THE PHASE ONE IS BRINGING IT TO 17 IN, SO WHERE, WHERE THE LAUNDROMAT IS, RIGHT.
AND THEN PHASE TWO IS DOWN TO BOYD STREET.
SO IT COULD SERVE BOTH SIDES OF 17 AND OUR MUNICIPAL COMPLEX.
SO ALL THE PROPERTIES, THE SIX ACRES THAT WE OWN, PLUS ALL THE MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS, POLICE DEPARTMENT, EOC, FIRE STATION, THE FIRE STATION, THE LIBRARY, THE, OUR OLD CITY HALL AND BOTH SIDES OF 17 TO BOYD STREET.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE AT THIS POINT.
DO WE HAVE ANY ESTIMATE, MIKE, UH, WHAT MY, WHERE I'M GOING, WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO COMPLETE IT ALL OF WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY DOWN EXIT FIVE AND, AND TO, AND TO, UM, JOHN SMITH? WELL, I'LL JUST TELL YOU WHAT NEIL CAN COME UP, BUT I, AND I, AND I DON'T WANT TO JOKE ABOUT THIS, BUT I MEAN,
WELL, I KNOW, I, I, I MEAN, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE FUNNY.
I'VE BEEN WITH YOU FOR THE NINE YEARS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN IN THOSE GROUNDHOG MEETINGS WITH US FOR YEARS, BUT I THINK ONCE WE START MAKING METHODICAL PROGRESS, THEY CAN GIVE US AN ESTIMATE.
THE PROBLEM IS, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO GO ON A TANGENT IN A RAMP, BUT I MEAN, THE, THE MAJORITY OF THIS COST, UNLESS WE HAVE BONAFIDE USERS THAT ARE WILLING TO SET, SEND, SEND, SIGN AN APPLICATION AND COMPLETE INSTALLATION OF NATURAL GAS, MOST OF THE COST IS GONNA FALL IN THE CITY.
I MEAN, WE GOTTA PAY THE BILL, WE PAY THE BILL, WE GIVE THEM THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH THEY MAKE MONEY OFF.
I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT IN ANY PLACE.
AND 30 PLUS EIGHT YEARS, AND I'M SORRY, I'M STARTING TO RANT 38 YEARS THAT THE, THE CUSTOMER PUTS THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN, PAYS FOR IT, AND GIVES IT TO A UTILITY PROVIDER TO MAKE
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MONEY.I'VE NEVER SEEN, BUT MY POINT IS THIS, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE METHODICALLY MOVING DOWN THE ROAD, AND IF WE PRESS TO SAY WE NEED TO GO TO THE EXIT FIVE, WE NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE HARDY EVIL COMMERCE PARK.
I MEAN, WE CAN GET IT DONE AND WE'LL GET AN ESTIMATE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT.
MAYOR, IF YOU LOOK AT THE $200,000 THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING THIS TO THE NEXT STAGE OF BO STREET, I THINK IT'S ABOUT EIGHT TENTHS OF A MILE.
SO IF YOU'RE NOT CUTTING ANY, GOING ACROSS 2 78, SEE ON THAT ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD, YOU CAN AVERAGE ABOUT $200,000 FOR EVERY EIGHT TENTHS OF A MILE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO EXIT FIVE.
THEY DO AS MANY CUTS AS YOU MAKE.
THAT'S, THAT'S ADDITIONAL COST ON 2 78 AND DIFFERENT THINGS OF THAT SORT.
UM, AND LIKE MR. SIM INDICATED, THE, THE BUSINESSES AND STUFF, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE WILLING TO, AND SOME OF 'EM ARE NOT EVEN ABLE TO DO IT.
SOME OF 'EM HAVE BUILT THEIR, THEIR RESTAURANTS AND STUFF, AND THEY CAN'T MAKE THAT CONVERSION VERY CHEAPLY.
THEY WOULD'VE TO REPLACE EVERYTHING ANYWAYS.
UM, SO WE WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT NOW WHAT POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS AND STUFF THEY MAY HAVE TO LESSEN THAT LOAD AND STUFF FOR US.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOT BEEN A WHOLE LOT.
I MEAN, THE DRY CLEANERS DID COME ON BOARD TO SAY THEY WOULD DO IT.
UH, AND WE TRY TO, WE'VE BEEN ASKING IT, UH, FOR THIS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
THE FIRST TIME I MET THEM, THEY WERE ASKING FOR THAT, AND THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAJOR TARGET AREAS.
IF YOU LOOK AT 2 78 IS, WHICH, WHICH PLACES HAS THE PROPANE TANKS, THEY HAVE THE PROPANE TANKS.
THEY CAN DO THE CONVERSION OVER TO NATURAL GAS.
AND ALSO WE, WE'VE DEALT WORKING WITH TRYING THE HISPANIC GROUPS AND STUFF THAT OWN THE RESTAURANTS THROUGH THERE.
THEY'VE BEEN VERY RELUCTANT TO EVEN RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONNAIRES, WHATEVER.
THAT'S, THEY'RE ON PROPANE AND, AND RICK PATEL'S CORNER IS PROPANE.
BECAUSE I KNOW HE'S SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON PROPANE EVERY MONTH OR WHAT I'VE HEARD.
AND, AND THAT, THAT LOAD OF RESTAURANTS IS WHAT LESSENS THAT LOAD WITH US.
IF WE DO SAY MULTI-FAMILY OR DIFFERENT THINGS OF THAT SORT.
IT, IT DOES SOME WHAT, BUT THEY'RE PUSHING FOR THOSE RESTAURANT TYPE BUSINESSES TO GET THAT LOAD DOWN CHEAPER.
WE, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE TALK NOW ABOUT WHAT'S THERE.
NOW WE GOTTA THINK ABOUT WHAT MAY BE THERE FIVE, 10 YEARS FROM NOW AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WHITE PARTY PLAN AND THE DOWNTOWN HUB.
THOSE EXISTING BUILDINGS AND BUSINESSES COULD CHANGE.
AND THAT'S WHY THE GAS NEEDS TO BE THERE.
IT'S THE NEXT USER WHO'S PROB MAY WANT THAT GAS.
AND THEY DO HAVE A PROJECT SOUTH, JUST SOUTH OF EXIT FIVE THAT THEY'VE TOLD US ABOUT THAT THEY WERE PUTTING IN SIMULTANEOUSLY.
AND THEN THEY ALSO TELL US ABOUT THE, GOING THROUGH THE RIVERPORT AREA, GETTING GAS THAT WAY THROUGH THEIR MAJOR TRUNK LINE COMING, COMING FROM THE SOUTH.
SO THEY'D BE DOING THAT ON THEIR OWN.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING, WORKING ON THOSE PROJECTS AND STUFF NOW, SO THE, THE, THE PROJECT THEY MENTIONED SOUTH OF X FIVE, IT'S JUST SOUTH OF X FIVE.
THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT NOW AS WE SPEAK TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ONE ON 17, THEY'VE ALWAYS TOLD US IN THE PAST IS THAT 17 COMING SOUTH, IF YOU'RE LIKE, THE ONE THAT'S GOING DOWN MAIN STREET RIGHT NOW DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO SERVICE THE WHOLE CITY.
SO YOU HAVE TO BRING IT FROM THE SOUTH UP TO GET THE, THE, LIKE THE INDUSTRIAL PORK SERVICES, DIFFERENT THINGS TO THAT SOURCE.
THIS IS, IT IS CRAZY THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST AN ODD CONCEPT YEAH.
BUT WE HAVE TO, IF WE'RE GOING TO MODERNIZE WHITE HEARTY, WE HAVE TO, TO LOOK AT THAT, THE PROGRAM.
NOW WE GO TO THE PROPOSED FIVE YEAR PROJECTION AND USE OF ACCOMMODATION TAX FUNDS.
SO WE, I THINK A MONTH OR SO AGO, WE DID PRESENT PART OF, UM, THE AAX, MR. MR. JOHN WENT THROUGH KIND OF THE HISTORY AND, AND WENT THROUGH WHAT THE STATUTORY LANGUAGE SAYS.
UM, AND WE DID TALK ABOUT IT RECENTLY WITH OUR RETREAT.
SO WE WANTED TO REVISIT IT JUST FOR THE COUNCIL'S ADVOCATION AS WELL AS TALK ABOUT USING AVAILABLE FUNDS FOR PROJECTS.
AND I THINK THE COUNCIL KNOWS IF WE DON'T USE THE MONEY THAT WE'VE COLLECTED, WE HAVE TO RETURN IT.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO GET AGGRESSIVE ABOUT USING THESE FUNDS OR DEDICATING THESE FUNDS UNDER THAT FOR PROJECTS THAT COMPLY WITH THE, UH, STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS.
WELL, THERE, UM, FINDING THE PRESENTATION, UH, I'LL JUST REVIEW.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE STATE AAX, THE LOCAL AAX THAT Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH.
UM, PART OF THE STATE AT TAX GOES TO THE FIRST $25,000 AND THEN 5% COMES TO THE CITY.
AND THEN, UM, THE INDIRECT IS THE 65% FOR THE ADVERTISING AND PROMOTION OF TOURISM.
AND THEN THE DIRECT IS THE 30% OF THAT, WHICH IS WHAT WE USE FOR OUR DMO.
AND, UM, UH, SO ANYWAY, SO THEN MY NEXT SLIDE TALKS ABOUT THERE,
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THERE HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN SIX ITEMS THAT WE COULD USE LOCAL AT TAX FOR, AND THERE IS NOW A SEVENTH.AND THE SEVENTH OF COURSE, IS THE ONE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT RECENTLY.
AND THAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING, WHICH MUST INCLUDE PROGRAMS TO PROMOTE HOME OWNERSHIP.
THIS IS THE NEW PIECE WHERE WE CAN USE, UH, UP TO 15% OF OUR LOCAL AT TAX REVENUE FOR THE PURPOSES OF WORKFORCE HOUSING.
AND THE, AND OF COURSE, UH, THE STAFF'S READ IS THE COUNCIL'S QUITE INTERESTED IN THIS.
SO WE STARTED WITH, UM, DOING SOME PROJECTIONS OF WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE IF WE DID THIS.
SO YOU SEE CURRENTLY, UH, WHAT DO WE USE OUR LOCAL A TAX AND OUR LOCAL AGE TAX FOR? WE'RE PAYING OFF THE, THE DEBT OF THE REC CENTER.
THE CURRENT OUTSTANDING DEBT IS NOT QUITE SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
AND, UM, THE RATE ON THE, THERE'S TWO NOTES.
ONE RATE, ONE HAS AN INTEREST RATE OF THREE POINT 10.
THE OTHER HAS AN INTEREST RATE OF 3.73.
NOW, CURRENTLY WE'RE EARNING ON THAT MONEY ON OUR, UH, LOCAL A AND LOCAL AGE MONEY, WE'RE, WE'RE EARNING 5.67%.
SO YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE EARNING MORE THAN WE WOULD PAY.
BUT SHOULD THAT NUMBER GET CLOSE OR SHOULD WE WANT TO, WE CERTAINLY WILL HAVE SOME FUNDS TO START PAYING DOWN THAT NOTE OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL, UH, BIENNIAL NOTE PAYMENTS.
AND, UM, THEN WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS THAT, THAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, WHICH IS REVIEW FUNDING A PRT POSITION FOR SPORTS TOURISM, AND THEN ALSO USING THE 15% OF THE LOCAL AT TAX, UH, FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING AS IS NOW ALLOWED.
SO IF YOU SEE HERE, UH, UNFORTUNATELY THAT TOP LINE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A GREEN LINE.
AND WHAT WE'RE, UH, JEN CAN TALK MORE ABOUT, UM, WHAT THAT POSITION WILL DO.
BUT THAT POSITION ALL IN IS ABOUT $7,000 A MONTH.
UH, SHOULD WE DECIDE TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT? WE'D BE ABLE TO BRING THIS PERSON ON, UH, HOPEFULLY IN MARCH.
BUT, UM, WITH HIRING BEING WHAT IT IS, IT COULD CERTAINLY BE LATER THAN THAT.
AND THEN WE SEE IF WE CARRY THAT OUT FOR A FULL YEAR AND 25 AND WE GO OUT THROUGH 30, WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE SPENDING SOME MONEY THERE.
AND THEN YOU SEE THE 15%, THIS IS 15% OF REVENUE.
AND THEN AGAIN, AS WE TALKED, UH, LAST WEEK, THE, UM, THESE REVENUES, IF ANYTHING ARE, ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE.
SO THERE'S LOBEL TO BE, UH, MORE RATHER THAN LESS.
WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE VERY CONSERVATIVE WITH THIS NUMBER.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WORKFORCE HOUSING NUMBER, 15% IS, YOU KNOW, JUST UNDER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR THAT WE COULD USE FOR THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PIECE OF IT.
SO WHAT DOES ALL THAT MEAN? THAT MEANS THAT AS, AS WE GO THROUGH FISCAL 24 ALL THE WAY THROUGH, UH, FISCAL 27, OUR LOCAL AT TAX BALANCE WILL, IS STILL SLATED TO GROW FROM 1,000,003 50 TO 1,000,771.
AND THEN NONE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPACTS THE LOCAL, UH, H TAX.
AND THAT, THAT BALANCE COULD GO FROM 1.6 TO, UH, 3 MILLION.
AND THE LAST TIME I THINK THE MAYOR FOCUSED IN ON AFTER 30 YEARS, WE COULD HAVE THIS 4,000,777 IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, IF WE DO THESE, DO ALL OF THESE THINGS, WHAT OUR CONCLUSION AND OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT SHOULD COUNCIL DECIDE TO DO BOTH OF THE TWO THINGS RECOMMENDED, THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF MONEY FOR, UH, PLENTY, PLENTY OF AT TAX AND H TAX MONEY OR REVENUE TO FUND BOTH THE REC, THE REC CENTER DEBT OR THE, UH, 15% OF AT TAX AND THE, UH, PRT POSITION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT OR ARE YOU GUYS READY FOR JEN? I JUST HAVE YOUR PROJECTIONS OF GROWTH OF, UH, FUNDING AVAILABILITY FOR THOSE TWO ITEMS. UM, YOU FEEL THOSE ARE REASONABLE? YEAH.
THE COST OF THE POSITION, WE FEEL LIKE THAT IS, THAT'S CERTAINLY GONNA BE, UH, WE'RE, WE'LL CERTAINLY BE WITHIN THOSE NUMBERS.
AND THEN THE 15%, THAT'S JUST 15% OF THE REVENUE NUMBER AT THE TOP OF THAT CHART AND THAT, BUT WE ARE LIMITED TO THE 15%.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING, BUT YOU CAN ONLY DO 15% OR LESS.
I, I HAVE TO SAY I'M IN, I, I, I AM, I'M FAVORING THE, UH, THE PRT POSITION, THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE, AND IT, IT IT'S WAY DOWN THE ROAD WHERE WE'RE JUST GONNA BE SPENDING MORE
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ON THAT POSITION AND WE WILL ON WORKFORCE HOUSING.AND I, AS I SEE THAT EXPENSE COMING, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE.
AGAIN, ASSUMING QUITE CONSERVATIVE REVENUE NUMBERS.
BUT I JUST, AND, AND WHEN I GIVE YOU GUYS A PROJECTION, I, I DON'T WANNA BE PIE THE SKY.
THAT'S WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO HEAR.
MR. WHITE, THAT POSITION, I, I'M, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T READ IT.
WHAT IS THE ANNUALIZED AMOUNT OF THAT POSITION? IT IS, UH, IT IS 80.
WE'RE FIGURING FOR THIS YEAR IT'S 28,000, BUT WE FIGURE ALL IN, FOR OUR FIRST YEAR IT WOULD BE $84,000.
THE, UM, HEALTH INSURANCE, OUR, OUR PORTION OF TAXES.
HAS HE COME WITH A, UH, THREE PHDS IN, IN, UH, LITTLE LEAGUE, UH, COACHING.
I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JEN FOR THAT ONE.
[D. PROPOSED FIVE YEAR PROJECTION AND USE OF ACCOMMODATION TAX FUNDS]
LITTLE HOPE.START JUST AS A, JUST AS A QUICK REFERENCE ON THAT SALARY.
AGAIN, MR. BOYLE SAID THAT IS ALL IN.
SO NO, IT WILL NOT BE ADVERTISED AS $84,000
UH, THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN, UH, WHAT I MAKE.
SO, UM, NO, THAT IS NOT, UH, LIKE I SAID, THAT IS ALL IN.
UM, BUT I DID, LIKE I SAID, I WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOU ALL BECAUSE LAST YEAR DURING THE BUDGET YEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, EVERYBODY ELSE OUT THERE, UM, INCLUDING THE CHIEFS THAT JUST LOVE TORAS ME MM-HMM.
UM, IT, IT LITERALLY TAKES THAT AT TAX MONEY BACK, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM THOSE THAT ARE TRAVELING 95.
AND IT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PUT IT BACK INTO OUR OWN COMMUNITY AND AGAIN, BRING MORE, UM, TO OUR AREA LESS, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO WHEN WE CAME TO YOU ALL DURING THE BUDGET SEASON, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND, UM, WHOLEHEARTEDLY, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALL HAVE A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, REQUESTS NOT ONLY FROM ME, FROM EVERYONE ELSE THAT'S IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL.
AND IT BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT, UM, FOR YOU ALL TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
UM, SO WE GOT, WE GOT TO BUSINESS, WE GOT, WE GOT DOWN AND DIRTY, AND WE TRIED TO, UH, DO A LOT OF RESEARCH, UH, WENT OUTSIDE OF OUR AREA, UM, CONTACTED ROCK HILL, CONTACTED TURK, ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE COULD DO.
AND, UM, SO THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THE RESULT OF THAT.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SPORTS TOURISM, I THINK ALL OF YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS, AND I THINK EVERYONE KIND OF HAS A, A DIFFERENT IDEA OF EXACTLY WHAT SPORTS TOURISM IS.
WE DO SPORTS TOURISM RIGHT NOW, AND ANYONE THAT'S IN THE BACK CAN SEE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, AND ACTUALLY I THINK THE MAYOR PROBABLY TOUCHES ON THIS QUITE A BIT.
WHEN YOU GO IN THE BACK, UM, IN THE AFTERNOONS, WHETHER IT'S TORMENT OR OUR LOCAL FOOTBALL TEAMS THAT ARE PLAYING OUT THERE, NOT ALL OF THEM ARE LOCAL.
UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BRINGING IN PEOPLE FROM HILTON HOOD, YOU'RE BRINGING FOLKS IN FROM SAVANNAH, YOU'RE DOING ALL THAT STUFF, WHICH ESSENTIALLY, EXCUSE ME, IS HELPING TO SUPPORT THE SPORTS TOURISM IN OUR AREA.
UM, BUT IT DOES DEVELOP AND FOSTER THE WORKING RELATIONSHIPS, UM, WITH OUR SPORTS EVENT ORGANIZERS.
UM, SO I'LL LET HIM COME UP AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT SPORTS TOURISM HAS MEANT FOR THE REC CENTER.
YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVED IN THE REC CENTER.
A LOT OF FOLKS SAID, AH, YOU GUYS ARE NEVER GONNA GET ANYONE IN THERE.
AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR PARKING, BECAUSE WE'RE PROGRAMMED BEYOND BELIEF, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
UM, AND THE MORE AND MORE WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO BRING TO OUR CITY.
AND ALSO TOO, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THIS LITTLE THING RIGHT HERE, 90% OF THE PAID FACILITY USAGE, UM, NOT ONLY AT THE, UH, RECPLEX IN THE BACK, UM, BUT ALSO OVER, YOU KNOW, AT THE REC CENTER.
I MEAN, THAT'S UTILIZED BY TOURISTS.
UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE STATE CODE SAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN ACTION ACTIVITIES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING TRIPS OUTSIDE OF THEIR HOME COMMUNITIES FOR ANY PERSON, UH, EXCEPT DAILY COMMUTING TO AND FROM WORK.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE PULLING PEOPLE FROM BLUFFTON, WE'RE PULLING PEOPLE FROM THE ISLAND, UH, FROM SAVANNAH, ALL THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE COMING HERE.
SO AGAIN, HAVING THIS POSITION HELP TO SUPPORT AND BRING EVEN MORE IS EQUATING TO WHAT THIS MEANS.
UM, AGAIN, ANOTHER THING THAT WE DO IS IT'S, YOU KNOW, EFFECTIVELY MARKETING, SPORTS, TOURISM, UM, ATHLETICS AND EVENTS TO ENHANCE CURRENT OFFERINGS.
UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO DO SOME MORE PROGRAMMING IN THE BACK WITH LACROSSE.
SOCCER CONTINUES TO BE A MAINSTAY IN OUR COMMUNITY, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE LATINO POPULATION.
UM, AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN TOUCHED ON ADULT SOCCER
BASEBALL, SOFTBALL, ALL OF OUR FIELDS IN THE AFTERNOONS ARE COMPLETELY BOOKED, AND THEY'RE ALL OUTSIDE, OUTSIDE, UH, FOLKS THAT ARE COMING IN TO HELP PAY FOR THE FACILITY.
UM, PICKLEBALL, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, IS ON THE RISE.
IT'S FASTEST GROWING SPORT IN THE US AND WE'RE ONE OF THE ONLY PLACES IN OUR AREA THAT HAS INDOOR PICKLEBALL.
SO, UH, MARTIAL ARTS, CHEER AND MORE.
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WE ALSO WANNA WORK CLOSELY WITH THE LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS, UH, TO CREATE THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT GENERATE REVENUE, UM, THROUGH OUR EVENTS.UM, DIFFERENT ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THOSE FOLKS, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, DINING AND, YOU KNOW, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH A LOT OF OUR HOTEL YEARS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WHILE COLLABORATING GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT THROUGH CREATIVE USE OF SPACE, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, BRINGING FOLKS INTO VETERANS PARK, THE HUB, UM, ALL OF THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT CAN BECOME, AND DARE I SAY, SPLASH PAD, SIR.
DID YOU HEAR THAT? UM, THE BENEFITS AGAIN, OF THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO, YOU KNOW, BUDGET YEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A POSITION THAT WE NEED.
UH, LOGAN AND I ARE BOTH TRYING TO DO THE VERY BEST THAT WE CAN.
UM, WE ARE LITERALLY TAKING THIS POSITION, AND HE HAS HALF, AND I HAVE THE OTHER HALF.
HE'S GOT THE REC CENTER, AND THEN I HAVE THE RECPLEX IN THE BACK, UM, THAT I DO.
BUT TRYING, UH, TO GET THE MONEY FOR THIS IS A WIN-WIN FOR THE CITY.
UM, THE ATEX FUNDING, UH, TO PAY FOR THE SALARY AND BENEFITS OF THE TOURISM REC COORDINATOR.
IT SAVES MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
SO WE ARE ESSENTIALLY HELPING COUNSEL TAKE PART OF THAT BURDEN OFF TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE FUNDS THAT ARE OUTSIDE FOR AT TAX SO THAT IT FREES UP, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE MONEY, WHETHER IT'S FOR POLICE OR FIRE OR FINANCE OR SOMEBODY ELSE THAT NEEDS IT.
AND THAT ALLOWS YOU ALL TO MAKE DECISIONS, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU CAN SPEND THAT MONEY DIFFERENTLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CITY'S GROWTH, BECAUSE IT'S GROWING, IT'S, IT'S COMING LIKE CRAZY.
UM, BUT IT ALSO PROVIDES A PATH TO FUNDING THOSE POSITIONS THAT ALLOW SUSTAINED GROWTH.
UH, AND IT ALSO SITS WITH FUTURE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT, AGAIN, PUTTING THE TAX BURDEN DIRECTLY BACK ONTO THE TAXPAYERS.
UM, ANOTHER ONE OF THE BENEFITS, AGAIN, WORKING WITH OUR HOTEL YEARS HAS INCREASED SPENDING AT THE LOCAL HOTELS AND THE RESTAURANTS, UH, GAS STATIONS AND OTHER LOCAL BUSINESSES.
AND I MEAN, WE'VE GOT, WHAT, TWO BEAUTIFUL BRAND NEW HOTELS.
UM, SO IT'S WORKING, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR INCREASED LOCAL AT TAX REVENUE.
AGAIN, THE MORE PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY, THE MORE, UM, AS JOHN SAID, CONSERVATIVELY, THOSE NUMBERS ARE GONNA INCREASE.
UM, AND AGAIN, BETTER RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE EVENTS OR ORGANI, UH, SPORTS ORGANIZERS, AND ALSO WORKING WITH IMPROVED RELATIONSHIPS, UH, WITH LOCAL HOSPITALITY PARTNERS.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE, UH, WITH THIS, AGAIN, SPORTS TOURISM AND VISUAL GUARD IS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING SECTORS OF TOURISM, UH, AND WILL CREATE ECONOMIC IMPACT CITYWIDE.
AND I THINK YOU ALL ARE SEEING THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, ARE WE ROCK HILL? NO, WE'RE NOT YET.
UM, BUT I KNOW IN OUR, UH, STRATEGIC MEETING THAT WE HAD, UM, SO LAST WEEK, I THINK JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE STAGGERING NUMBERS WITH THIS IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, HOW MANY RESIDENTS WE'RE GONNA SEE HERE.
RECREATION IS DEFINITELY GONNA BE AT THE FOREFRONT, WHETHER IT'S OPEN SPACES, GREEN SPACE EVENTS, UM, ATHLETICS, YOU KNOW, BRINGING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TO OUR AREA.
SO WE HAVE TO BE READY AND ENGAGE.
UM, IT'LL ALSO ALLOW THE CITY TO DEVELOP RELATIONSHIPS, AGAIN WITH ORGANIZERS, UM, EVENT PLANNERS, ALL THE DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS.
AND ULTIMATELY, IT REALLY DOES CREATE THE LASTING ECONOMIC IMPACT, UM, IN OUR AREA.
AND ADDITIONALLY, THAT BOTTOM LINE IS GOING TO ALLOW THAT GL FUNDING TO BE UTILIZED IN OTHER AREAS OF NEED.
UM, SO, AND THEN WE PUT THE LITTLE ECONOMIC IMPACTS.
THIS IS DIRECTLY FROM NCR, EXCUSE ME, NRPA, WHICH IS OUR, UH, NATIONAL, UH, PARKS AND RECREATION ASSOCIATION.
THIS IS WHAT TOUR, UH, SPORTS TOURISM DOES TO OUR AREA.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG IMPACT.
SO, UM, THE DIFFERENT JOBS THAT IT'S CREATING FOR OUR AREA, 635,000, AND THEN 12.9 BILLION TOTAL TAX REVENUES.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL SAW THAT.
THAT IS A NATIONALLY-RECOGNIZED NUMBER, AND IT'S MASSIVE.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S ALL REALLY FULL CIRCLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE SPORTS TOURISM, IT'S INCREASED TO VISITORS, TO HARVILLE, UM, INCREASED SPENDING AT THE HOTELS, MORE REVENUE, THE FUNDS TO REINVEST TO YOUR AMENITIES.
UH, AND IT JUST, IT, IT CONTINUES TO MOVE FORWARD, UM, BACK AND FORTH.
SO, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME? UM, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY PLANNED, WE LOOKED AT MARCH.
UH, REALISTICALLY, YOU ALL KNOW AS WELL AS I DO, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A, YOU KNOW, A FEW MORE MONTHS THAN THAT JUST TO GET EVERYTHING UP AND RUNNING.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S A HUGE NEED FOR OUR AREA.
IT'S A HUGE NEED FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S DOING DIFFERENT LACROSSE PROGRAMS, ARE ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE NOT ONLY OUR COMMUNITY IS WANTING, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHAT WE CAN BRING TO THE CITY OF HARDY.
AND I ALSO WANTED TO BRING LOGAN UP HERE.
UM, NOTHING LIKE, UH, GIVING HIM SOME OJT, UM, BUT REALLY WANTED HIM TO TOUCH IN, UM, ON JUST WHAT WE'VE DONE AT THE RECREATION CENTER AS WELL.
SO IF YOU'LL INDULGE HIM FOR JUST A FEW MOMENTS, AND THEN I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
IS THIS STILL MORNING? GOOD MORNING.
UM, SO WHEN I STARTED, UH, AS A RECREATION CENTER MANAGER IN JANUARY OF 2022, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JEN MADE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON IS THAT SPORTS TOURISM WAS, UH, A PRIORITY.
UM, I KNOW MAYOR WILLIAMS, YOU'VE BEEN AT SEVERAL OF THE EVENTS.
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UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE MAIN BASKETBALL COURT, SO HOSTING TRADITIONAL, YOU KNOW, BASKETBALL TOURNAMENTS WITHOUT PARTNERS ISN'T REALISTIC MOST OF THE TIME.UM, SO I WAS ABLE TO GET CREATIVE.
UH, I REACHED OUT TO SEVERAL, UH, JUUJITSU FEDERATIONS.
I'VE REACHED OUT TO CHEER, YOU KNOW, TOURNAMENT ORGANIZERS, DANCE COMPETITIONS, THINGS THAT WE CAN BRING PEOPLE TO THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE BASKETBALL, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT BUILDING IS BUILT FOR.
SO WE'VE BECOME A HOTSPOT RECENTLY, UM, FOR JUUJITSU TOURNAMENTS.
YOU KNOW, THEY STILL MARKET THEM AS SAVANNAH JUST FOR THE MARKET.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE LOCATED IN HARDY V UH, THE FIRST ONE WE DID WAS NEW BREED.
THEY HAVE, UH, TOURNAMENTS ALL OVER THE WORLD.
THEY EVEN HAVE EUROPEAN, UM, TOURNAMENTS.
SO THAT ORGANIZATION AND THE NORTH AMERICAN GRAPPLING ASSOCIATION WERE THE FIRST TWO THAT WE DID.
AND THOSE BOTH HAD OVER 300 COMPETITORS, PLUS THEIR FAMILIES.
SO WE WELCOMED SEVERAL THOUSAND PEOPLE TO THE CITY OF HARDY V THROUGH THOSE, UH, ALEX PERCEVAL, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE THERE.
UM, HE BROUGHT IN THE BASKETBALL TOURNAMENT FOR, YOU KNOW, THE LOCAL AREA THAT WAS ALUMNI.
AND MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE NO LONGER LIVE IN OUR AREA.
THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, GRADUATED AND DISPERSED.
SO BRINGING THOSE PEOPLE BACK TO THE AREA TO SPEND MONEY HERE, TO, YOU KNOW, VISIT, UH, HAS BEEN REALLY BIG.
UM, THIS PERSON WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE ABLE TO HELP GROW THAT AS WELL AS AT THE REC COMPLEX, UH, AND MAKE THAT EVEN LARGER.
UM, WE HAVE AT LEAST FOUR TOURNAMENTS, UM, THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS FROM NOW TO JULY AT THE REC CENTER.
UM, THOSE WILL BE THREE ARE JIUJITSU, ONE IS BASKETBALL.
ALEX IS COMING BACK, UH, TO DO ANOTHER, HOPEFULLY LARGER ONE.
UM, SO THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS PERSON WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE ABLE TO ASSIST WITH THOSE THINGS, UH, AS WELL AS THE ATHLETIC OFFERINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
BUT SEVERAL OF OUR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT PLAY IN OUR LEAGUES EVEN AREN'T FROM HERE.
THE MAJORITY OF OUR PICKLEBALL PLAYERS, UH, SOME OF THEM LIVE IN THE BEAUFORT COUNTY SIDE.
SO TECHNICALLY OUR TOURISTS, MANY COME FROM GEORGIA.
UH, SO BEING ABLE TO GROW THOSE IS GONNA BE HUGE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO AGAIN, JUST TO WRAP IT UP, UM, YEAH, THIS, THIS TRULY IS THE BOTTOM LINE.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE UNDERSTAND COUNCIL HAS A, YOU KNOW, A DIFFICULT DECISION, UM, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE RIGHT, UM, JUDGMENT CALLS ON ALL THESE THINGS.
THIS IS DEFINITELY BY FAR FOR US, UH, YOU KNOW, A DEFINITE WIN-WIN SITUATION WHERE WE'RE FREEING UP MONEY, UM, IN THE GENERAL FUND SO THAT YOU ALL CAN MAKE, UH, DECISIONS FOR OTHER, UM, NEEDS.
UM, SO, BUT IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO, TO ANSWER.
I I JUST HAVE A QUESTION IN, IN A MORE GENERAL, AND PARTLY MY FAULT FOR NOT KNOWING, BUT TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT MEL'S FOCUS IS, IF YOU WOULD.
YEAH, SO WHAT MEL DOES IS, UM, MORE LOCAL PROGRAMMING, AND THEN SHE ALSO WORKS ON EVENTS.
SO COLLECTIVELY ON THE, WHICH ONE? THE LAST ONE? EVENTS.
SO ALL OF OUR LARGE SCALE EVENTS THAT WE DO, UM, SHE'S, SHE'S IN, IN THE CENTER OF ALL OF THAT.
AND WHAT WE DO IN OUR, UM, IN OUR TEAM IS, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE ALL FOCUSED.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, A FESTIVAL ON MAINE, UM, WE'RE ALL WORKING ON THAT TOGETHER COLLECTIVELY.
BUT SHE IS THE STRONG ARM OF HAVING TO GET ALL THAT STUFF DONE.
UM, IF WE FUND THIS POSITION AND THEY DO THAT, ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM PERSON DO IS INTERACT WITH, UH, THE GROUPS THAT MAY COME IN FROM THE OUTSIDE IN THE HOTELS.
I'D LIKE TO SEE KIND OF AN ACCURATE NUMBER OF ROOM COUNTS, THE JUUJITSU.
AND SO MANY OF THOSE IS SINCE THEY DO, UH, UH, BRING IN FOLKS REGIONALLY, MOST ALL OF THOSE WILL HAVE A HOST HOTEL OR SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED.
WE NEED, WE NEED IS THIS, IF WE FUND THIS AND AS IT PROCEEDS, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TRACK TO BASICALLY JUSTIFY HOW THIS POSITION IS INCREASING AND WHAT IT'S BRINGING TO THE CITY.
I, BECAUSE I DO AGREE THAT MORE HOTEL ROOMS, I MEAN, GEEZ, WOULD IT BE GREAT FOR SOMEDAY TO HAVE THIS POSITION BE ABLE TO FUND ITSELF THROUGH THESE TOURNAMENTS? THE JUUJITSU? HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO THE KARATE CLUBS AND THE, THE OTHERS TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO BRING HERE? OBVIOUSLY THEIR SUCCESS HERE WITH THE JIUJITSU, WILL THE OTHER, UH, MARTIAL ARTS, CAN THEY SEE THAT AND UTILIZE THE FACILITY ALSO? MM-HMM.
YOU'RE STARTED WITH SOMEBODY IN THIS POSITION.
IF THEY COULD EXPAND THAT TO 23RD, 20 TOURNAMENTS A YEAR OR WHATEVER IT'S USED, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
BUT, UM, AS LONG AS WE CAN JUSTIFY THIS POSITION WITH THIS MONEY AND THAT IT'S GOING TO INCREASE REVENUE,
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UH, TO THE HOTELS AND BASICALLY HELP FUND ITSELF, I'M ALL FOR IT.I PROBABLY AM CERTAINLY IN A LONG LIST OF PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST THRILLED WITH THE, WITH THE SUCCESS AND THE QUALITY OF THE BUILDING AND THE SUCCESS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.
I'VE BEEN HELPING ALEX PERCEVAL, UH, GET SPONSORS FOR THE TOURNAMENT IN JULY.
THAT'S EXACTLY THE TYPE OF REGIONAL, UM, EVENT THAT WE WANTED.
WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE IS JUST, I MEAN, WONDERFUL.
I, I, I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH.
YOU'VE BROUGHT A DREAM TO HARDY ONE THAT'S ENVIED, UH, AROUND THE REGION.
I, I'M SURE, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, UM, A COUPLE THINGS MAKE ME UNEASY IN TERMS OF MAKING THE DECISION NOW, MAKING A PERSONNEL DECISION OUTSIDE THE REALM OF THE TOTAL BIG PICTURE IS JUST AGAINST ALL MY PRINCIPLES OF MANAGEMENT.
THIS, THE DECIDING THIS POSITION SHOULD BE DONE IN BUDGET TIME.
AND ALSO WE, WE SHOULD HAVE A, JUST LIKE IT IS A BUDGET TIME.
ALL THE PROPOSED POSITIONS SHOULD HAVE A JOB DESCRIPTION.
SO WE UNDERSTAND, AND STEVE'S RIGHT AT, ALTHOUGH I, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN EVER MEASURE THE METRICS.
YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE FOR COMING BECAUSE OF THIS REC CENTER ARE STAYING AT THE HAMPTON INN.
YOU DON'T KNOW
I'M A LITTLE UNEASY WHEN I SEE THE SIZE OF THE NUMBER TO BRING IN.
I MEAN, I'D, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT NUMBER VERSUS WHAT YOU MAKE AND YOU MAKE THE OTHER THING, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ARPA FUNDS, 1,000,001 OUT OF THE 3,000,007 ARE FOR RECREATION PURPOSES.
AL 29% ARE FOR RECREATION PURPOSES.
WE PUT A LOT OF MONEY IN IT, AND I DON'T DISPUTE IT.
BUT NOW WITH AT ATEX, WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES AND THIS WHOLE COUNCIL, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE TOTAL BUDGET, WE HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THAT PARKING LOT.
SHOULD WE SPEND THE ATEX MONEY TO, TO FINISH WHAT HAS WASN'T EVER DONE.
THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THINGS NOT PUT INTO THAT, THAT ORIGINAL BUDGET.
WE HAVE SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO PAY OFF ON THAT THING TO WE BE PAYING MORE OFF ON, ON, ON THAT DEBT.
THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS FOR THAT ATEX MONEY THAT THIS COUNCIL SHOULD DECIDE, RATHER THAN JUST SAYING, OKAY, WE NEED THIS.
WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE IN TERMS OF THE BUDGET.
THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME TO MAKE THIS DECISION.
AND I THINK THE COUNCIL NEEDS MORE OPTIONS FOR THAT AT TAX MONEY RATHER THAN JUST ADD SOMEBODY TO IT.
SO I SUPPORT IT, YOU KNOW, I, I, YOU KNOW, I NEED, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE EVERY DEPARTMENT HEADS COME IN HERE AND SAY, WE'RE UNDERSTAFFED, OKAY? AND WE'RE GONNA NEED A LOT OF THINGS.
WE SHOULD LOOK AT EVERYBODY BEFORE WE MAKE AN INDIVIDUAL DECISION FOR YOU.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME IN THE RIGHT CONTEXT TO MAKE THIS DECISION.
JUST AS A QUICK REMINDER TOO, THAT NOT ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS CAN UTILIZE THIS FUNDING.
I THINK THAT'S THE BIG TAKEAWAY THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF YOU ALL KNOW, IS THAT AT A, IS GEARED MOSTLY TOWARDS THE TOURISM PIECE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF BRIANNA WERE TO COME UP HERE OR, OR FINANCE OR WHAT HAVE YOU, IT'S NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE ABLE TO BE SUPPORTIVE IN A TOURISM ASPECT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO HELP YOU ALL MAKE A BETTER DECISION WHETHER WE WAIT, THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU ALL, AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT AND, AND WELL TAKEN.
BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE OTHER OPTIONS TO SPEND THAT MONEY
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AND THAT SHOULD BE EXPLORED BEFORE WE DECIDE TO SPEND THE MONEY ON THIS.AND THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS TO DECIDE.
WE JUST CAN'T SAY, OH, WE GOT MONEY, SO LET'S PUT IT IN.
WHAT ARE THE OTHER OPTIONS FOR THE USE OF THIS ATEX MONEY? THAT'S WHAT HAS TO BE BROUGHT TO US DURING BUDGET TIME, AND WE HAVE TO DECIDE COLLECTIVELY HOW WE WANNA SPEND ATEX MONEY DURING BUDGET SEASON.
I I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO MAKE THAT KIND OF DECISION.
AND A TWO, I THINK, UM, DON, IF HE'S STILL IN HERE TOO, I THINK WITH THIS PARTICULAR AMOUNT OF MONEY, UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE IT DONE IN EARMARKED BY THE END OF THIS YEAR AS WELL.
SO THAT DOES PARLAY AS WELL INTO DIFFERENT TIMING IF YOU WANT US TO BRING IT BACK THE TIME.
RIGHT? SO THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
AT THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
THAT'S THE ARPA PIECE, NOT THE ATEX THE ARPA PIECE, BUT THE ARPA PIECE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S YEAH.
EVEN DEBATING, EVEN WITH ATEX, YOU HAVE TO USE IT OR YOU'RE GONNA END UP LOSING A PORTION OF IT, YOU'LL END UP HAVING TO GIVE A, A, A BIT OF IT BACK.
BUT THE EIGHT AT TAX, WE HAVE TO SPEND WHATEVER WE THE BALANCE IS BY THE END OF THIS YEAR OR HAVE IT APPROPRIATED.
SO IF THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE CAN, CAN LOOK TO BRING BACK, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE OPTIONS TOO, THAT WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A, A CERTAIN PILE OF MONEY AND WE LOOKED AT THE, UM, THE TURF FIELD PROJECT IN THE BACK.
AND OF COURSE THAT WAS A SMALLER BLESSING IN DISGUISE.
UM, AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THAT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S, OUR PROJECTS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A MILLION DOLLARS.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS AVAILABLE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN UTILIZE WHAT WE'VE GOT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'LL, YOU CAME TO US EARLIER ABOUT A TURF FIELD.
THAT'S, THAT'S, I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOTTA DO SO MANY THINGS AND, AND, AND SO WE'RE NOT, YOU'RE ASKING US TO MAKE A DECISION OUTSIDE THE CONTEXT OF ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE POSSIBLE.
AND SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU, UH, SUGGEST TO THE COUNCIL THAT WE LOOK AT ALL THE POSSIBILITIES FOR THIS, A TAX MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND.
AND THERE ARE MANY, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING THE TURF, TURF IN THAT, UH, BACK THERE, UM, PAVING THE PARKING LOT.
WHAT OTHER NEEDS DO WE HAVE INSIDE THE REC CENTER? I, I'M, I'M ON A LITTLE UNEASY SPENDING ATEX MONEY FOR PERSONNEL.
I, I THINK IT SHOULD BE FOR BRICK AND MORTAR.
I MEAN, BUT AGAIN, ABSOLUTELY.
LOOK AT ALL THE POSSIBILITIES AND MAKE A DECISION.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ALL THE POSSIBILITIES IN FRONT OF US, BUT IF COUNCIL FEELS DIFFERENTLY, THE THREE OF US, THEN, YOU KNOW, I'LL GO ALONG WITH IT.
BUT THAT'S JUST ME PERSONALLY.
I, IF WE POSTPONE ANY DECISION ON THIS, WHICH ONE WAY OR ANOTHER UNTIL BUDGET TIME, FROM THE TIME THIS POSITION WOULD BE POSTED TO BE FILLED, YOU HAVE A TIMELINE OF WHAT YOU SEE, FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS, THREE MONTHS, WHATEVER YOU, WHAT DO YOU SEE? UM, AS FAR AS LIKE A HIRING PROCESS, IT COULD BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN THREE TO SIX MONTHS.
UM, ULTIMATELY WE WOULD LIKE TO GET SOMEBODY IN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AND SAME, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PROJECTS, WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING, YOU KNOW, OTHER PROJECTS BACK TO YOU ALL.
BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THOSE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO FAR EXCEED WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET.
UM, AND I DON'T MEAN THE, THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET, I MEAN JUST THE AT TAX, RIGHT? IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN KENDALL COMES IN AND SHE'S ASKING THE STATE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CERTAIN, CERTAIN PARAMETERS THAT WE HAVE TO MEET WITH TOURISM, WHETHER IT'S THE STATE OR THE LOCAL OPTION.
AND THIS IS WHY WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE LOCAL OPTION.
SO BRICK AND MORTAR IS DEFINITELY, I MEAN, I'M, I'M ALL FOR YOU.
I, I WISH WE HAD A TON OF STUFF THAT WE CAN UTILIZE, BUT IT'S VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT TYPES OF, OF MONEY THAT YOU'RE USING TOWARDS BRICK AND MORTAR AND HOW YOU CAN BRING THOSE TOURISM IN.
SO THIS IS A, THIS AGAIN IS A WIN-WIN SITUATION.
I TRULY BELIEVE THE POSITION IS, IS NEEDED.
BUT I DO AGREE WITH THE MAYOR THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE BIG PICTURE TO SEE WHERE, UH, HOW THIS SHAKES OUT.
BUT I THINK THE POSITION HAS, IT HAS ITS MERITS.
AND MAYBE RIGHT NOW, TODAY ISN'T THE TIME TO, TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
BUT I, I BELIEVE IN THE POSITION, IF WE WAIT UNTIL BUDGET TIME COMES AROUND, I'LL STILL BELIEVE IN THAT POSITION.
THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW.
I, I, UM, PUT THIS PERSON IN CHARGE OF A SPLASH PAD THAT WE CAN HAVE SPORTS TOURISM IN IT.
WE DEFINITELY, WE DEFINITELY WANNA BRING YOU ON SPLASH PADS.
AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW JB SITTING BACK THERE KIND OF CHUCKLING TO HIMSELF, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE MORE AND MORE LAND THAT WE GET DOWN THE ROAD, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE'RE GOING FROM ALMOST 15,000 POPULATION TO 30 IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, YOU'RE GONNA
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HAVE THAT HIGH DEMAND FOR RECREATION JUST AS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HIGH DEMAND FOR PLANNING TEAM, YOUR FINANCE TEAM, YOUR POLICE AND FIRE.THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT FOR.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THAT BOX, TO ALLEVIATE THAT PRESSURE ON YOU ALL SO THAT THOSE FOLKS CAN, CAN UTILIZE, UM, THAT FUNDING FOR IT, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T USE THE FUNDING IN ATEX LIKE WE CAN.
SO IF I MAY INTERJECT SOMETHING, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT I LIVE IN RIGHT NOW IS EXPERIENCING TOO MUCH USAGE OF, UH, THE, SOME OF THE RECREATION FACILITIES AS PICKLEBALL, BOCCE BALL, EVEN THE TENNIS COURTS.
AND YES, MAYBE THINGS ARE PLANNED TO INCREASE IN THE FUTURE AS THE DEVELOPMENT REACHES INTO THE CAR TRACK, BUT THAT'S NOT HERE.
SO RESIDENTS ARE LOOKING TO MOVE OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT FOR SOME OF THESE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES.
AND I THINK THE REC CENTER TOO IS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, WHEN I, WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE BACK IN 18 AND EVERYONE WAS JUST, UH, REC CENTER, NOW THIS IS JUST GONNA BE A HUGE WASTE OF MONEY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL WAS VERY PERSISTENT.
AND YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WITH THAT DREAM, I MEAN, WE, WE ARE YOUR FACILITATORS OF THOSE DREAMS. AND I KNOW IT'S KINDA KIND OF QUIRKY TO SAY THAT, BUT I MEAN, WE, WE SEE ALL OF THOSE FOLKS COMING IN, WHETHER IT'S DOWNTOWN HARVILLE PEOPLE OR IF IT'S FOLKS FROM MARG GATED COMMUNITIES.
UM, RECREATION IS SATURATED IN OUR AREA AND WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STAYING ON TOP OF PART OF THOSE DEMANDS.
UM, SO, AND AGAIN, EVEN THE DEMAND ON US, UM,
SO, UM, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU ALL TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN.
SO I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT JUST SO YOU GET WHERE AT LEAST I'M COMING FROM.
AND THAT IS, OUR CONCERNS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR APPRECIATION OF THE WORK YOU'VE DONE, THE MERIT OF THE SUGGESTION AND THE POSITION, BUT MORE THE TIMING OF IT AND TYING IT BACK TO THE BIG PICTURE.
AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT THE DISCIPLINE WE'VE TRIED TO BUILD IN LOOKING AT EVERYTHING COLLECTIVELY IN TERMS OF THAT, BUT DON'T TAKE THE WRONG MESSAGE.
UH, THERE'S A REAL APPRECIATION AND WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, BUT, UH, IT'S MORE TIMING THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THE STRUCTURE WE'VE CREATED.
AND LIKE I SAID, I APPRECIATE ALL THAT.
I MEAN, WE'RE, MR. C KNOWS WE WILL BRING THE POSITION, YOU KNOW, FORWARD AGAIN, UH, IN THE REGULAR GENERAL FUND WITH THE OPTION.
UM, AND WE'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, AS MANY DIFFERENT, UH, STUFF THAT WE HAVE, WE WORK WITH, UH, JOHN BOYLE.
UM, THERE'S JUST NOT AS MANY PROJECTS, UM, THAT WE CAN USE THE FUNDING FOR, FOR TOURISM AT THIS TIME THAT ARE NOT OVER AND ABOVE YOUR SPLASH PAD'S GONNA COST YOU ABOUT 1.2.
YOU, YOU GET IT TO, RIGHT? I THINK WE GOTTA SEND IT TO YOU ALL SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT.
SO IT IS THERE, WE DO HAVE SOME DESIGN DESIGN STUFF FOR YOU TO LOOK AT.
SO, AND FOR YOU, LOGAN, WE, WE, SINCE YOU HAD YOUR ON THE JOB TRAINING, WE WANT TO GIVE YOU THE SAME SENSE OF FEEDBACK.
WE APPRECIATE ALL THE GOOD THINGS GOING ON.
I THINK LUNCH IS READY TO BE SERVED.
MR. MAYOR, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
[III. ADJOURNMENT]
WE ADJOURN? WE CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.