Jan 18, 2024 City Council Meeting

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EVERYONE, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY.

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BLESS THIS MEETING WITH YOUR DIVINE INTELLIGENCE, AND HELP US TO MAKE THE BEST USE OF OUR OWN.

[I. INVOCATION & PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

PLEASE SHARE A LITTLE OF YOUR WISDOM WITH US TO HELP US DO RIGHT BY ALL CONCERNED.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HEAVENLY BLESSING.

AMEN.

PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR OUR SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR ALL THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO SERVE AROUND THE WORLD, PROTECTING OUR WAY OF LIFE.

THANK YOU. I'LL NOW CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

[II. CALL TO ORDER]

205 MAIN STREET, HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, JANUARY 18TH, 2024 AT 4:30 P.M..

THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO ADOPT THE AGENDA FOR THIS AFTERNOON.

[III. ADOPTION OF AGENDA]

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE AYE. FIRST WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION DISCUSSION OF NEGOTIATIONS, INCIDENT TO A PROPOSED CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENTS AND PROPOSED

[IV. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

[A. DISCUSSION OF NEGOTIATIONS INCIDENT TO PROPOSED CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENTS AND PROPOSED SALE OR PURCHASE OF PROPERTY, THE RECEIPT OF LEGAL ADVICE WHERE LEGAL ADVICE RELATES TO A PENDING, THREATENED, OR POTENTIAL CLAIM OR OTHER MATTERS COVERED BY THE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE, SETTLEMENT OF LEGAL CLAIMS, OR THE POSITION OF THE PUBLIC AGENCY IN OTHER ADVERSARY SITUATIONS INVOLVING THE ASSERTION AGAINST THE AGENCY OF A CLAIM IN ACCORDANCE WITH S.C. CODE OF LAW 30-4-70(A)(2). PROPOSED PROPERTY PURCHASE]

MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO, ENTER INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION? MAKE A MOTION. WE ENTER INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE AYE. OKAY.

WE ARE NOW IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, FOLKS.

THIS ROOM WILL BE CLOSED OFF UNTIL.

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WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. OKAY.

WE ARE BACK PUBLIC.

FIRST THING WE DO IS, PUBLIC COMMENTS.

[V. PUBLIC COMMENTS (3 MINUTE TIME LIMIT)]

OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE THE.

THE INTRODUCTION OF MASTER PATROL OFFICER PETER JAMES, AND LIEUTENANT CREEL WILL BE INTRODUCING THEM.

[VI. PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS]

[A. INTRODUCTION OF MASTER PATROL OFFICER PETER JAMES]

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW ME, I'M LIEUTENANT CREEL, THE HARDEEVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I AM THE PATROL DIVISION COMMANDER FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND TODAY, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE ONE OF THE NEW ADDITIONS TO OUR PATROL DIVISION IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS PETER JAMES.

HE'S LIVED IN HARDEEVILLE FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS IN THE BEAUFORT, JASPER AREA.

HE CURRENTLY LIVES IN THE CITY LIMITS.

IN HEARTHSTONE LAKE OR.

YEAH, IN HEARTHSTONE.

HE LIVES THERE. HE'S MARRIED.

THEY HAVE THREE CHILDREN.

HE'S GOT TEN YEARS OF SOUTH CAROLINA LAW ENFORCEMENT EXPERIENCE THAT HE BRINGS US.

AND BEFORE THAT, HE SERVED TWO ENLISTMENTS IN THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS FROM 2005 TO 2013.

SO I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE HIM AND THANK YOU HIM TO COME UP, IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF HIM OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE ANY STATEMENTS.

ALL RIGHT. MR. MAYOR, THANKS FOR BRINGING ME OUT HERE TONIGHT.

I JUST WANT TO THANK OBVIOUSLY THE CITY MANAGER, TOWN COUNCIL, AND, CHIEF WOODWARD FOR BRINGING ME BACK.

GIVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE AND PROTECT THE CITIZENS ONCE AGAIN.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THE CHALLENGES THAT COME WITH THE GROWTH AND, WANT TO SERVE IN THE MOST PROFESSIONAL AND COURTEOUS MANNER.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

WILL YOU COME WITH A GREAT RESUME? WELCOME. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO MANY YEARS OF GOOD SERVICE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL ANYONE FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COUNTRY.

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THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

NEXT, WE HAVE A CHECK PRESENTATION TO SAVANNAH BANANAS FOSTER FROM PROCEEDS OF THE 2023 BATTLE OF THE BADGES.

[B. CHECK PRESENTATION TO SAVANNAH BANANAS FOSTER FROM PROCEEDS OF 2023 BATTLE OF THE BADGES]

WELL, THE GENTLEMAN TO YOUR LEFT OVER THERE ISN'T SMILING MUCH.

WHY IS IT SMILING? SINCE THE BALL GAME, WE STILL HAVEN'T LOST TO THE ACTUAL HARDEEVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT YET, SO IT'S ALL GOOD.

WELL, WE HAVE PARKS AND REC AND TOURISM DIRECTOR MISS JENNIFER HIDING.

SORRY, WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A SLIGHT DELAY.

APPARENTLY, THERE WAS SOME, ISSUE ON THE TALMADGE BRIDGE, SO THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING A LITTLE LATE.

SO OUR LADY IS GOING TO BE HERE IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES, SO I FIGURED WE WOULD DO THIS PRESENTATION FIRST.

IF THAT DOESN'T SLIP ON A BANANA PEEL.

DID THEY COMING OVER? YES THEY ARE.

YEAH. IF I CAN GET BOTH CHIEFS UP HERE AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP IT CIVIL, WE HAVE A FULL HOUSE TONIGHT.

SO WE WANT TO SHOWCASE HOW WONDERFUL OUR CHIEFS ARE.

JACKIE, YOUR ARMS AT THE DOOR.

THIS IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, BITTERSWEET FOR ONE OF THE CHIEFS, BUT THIS IS, HOW MANY YEARS HAVE WE BEEN DOING THIS? SINCE 18. 19.

LOOK AT THAT. 12345.

WOO! RIGHT ON THE 12TH.

THREE TWO. OKAY. YEAH.

SO, EVERY YEAR, WITH THE HELP OF THE HARDEEVILLE POLICE AND HARDEEVILLE FIRE, WE ARE ABLE TO PUT ON THE BATTLE OF THE BADGES, WHICH IS, QUICKLY BECOME A VERY FAN FAVORITE, NOT ONLY WITH OUR COMMUNITY, BUT WITH OUR STAFF AS WELL.

IT'S ALWAYS FUN TO SEE THESE GUYS GET OUT AND BATTLE AND HAVE A LOT OF FUN.

AND IT IS FOR A GOOD CAUSE, YOU KNOW? AGAIN. YEAH. GOOD CAUSE.

GOOD CAUSE. SO I'M FEELING SOME HEAT COMING OVER HERE AND.

WOO! CAN YOU SING LIKE I'M LEANING THIS WAY A LITTLE BIT MORE? BUT WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, WE DO WANT TO, CONGRATULATE OUR, HARDEEVILLE, POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS THEIR SECOND WIN.

SECOND WIN AND IN A ROW.

AND ALSO TWO.

SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, GET IN TROUBLE AND LEAN A LITTLE BIT MORE THIS WAY.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF OUR FIREMEN AS WELL, WHERE THEY WON THREE STRAIGHT IN A ROW.

IN A ROW. SO THERE'S REALLY NO BATTLE GOING ON HERE AT ALL.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT IS IT IS THEM AND THEIR TEAMS THAT REALLY MAKE THIS GREAT.

IT'S A COMMUNITY EFFORT WHERE WE HAVE EVERYONE THAT COMES TO THE COMMUNITY BE A PART OF IT.

AND AGAIN, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THIS WITHOUT THEM.

SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, WE DO WANT TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU GOT TO TAKE A LAP AROUND CITY HALL WITH THAT. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

AND I'LL BE RIDING IN THE HARDEEVILLE AMBULANCE.

YEAH. AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO BOTH CHIEFS SO THEY CAN SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT THIS AND THE CAUSE AND HOPEFULLY WELL, IF NOT, WE CAN.

IF NOT, WE'LL, WE'LL VOTE ON THE MINUTES AND THEN, COME BACK.

OKAY. IT'S ALL YOU, SIR.

SAY A FEW WORDS. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR SUPPORTING THIS.

WE'VE HAD A FEW GOOD CHARITIES IN THE PAST, AND THIS WAS A GOOD ONE.

I THINK WE'VE GOT ANOTHER GOOD ONE SET UP FOR NEXT YEAR.

AND I'M REALLY HOPING THIS YEAR.

WELL, THIS YEAR.

YEAH. 2024.

YEAH. NO.

BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING IT TO, WE SAID IN MAY.

CORRECT. APRIL OR MAY.

MAY. YES. YEAH.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT UP THIS YEAR A LITTLE BIT.

MAYBE WE GET A DIFFERENT CROWD INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GET CRAMMED IN WITH ALL THAT IN NOVEMBER STUFF GOING ON SEPTEMBER OCTOBER STUFF.

SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT UP A LITTLE BIT.

WE DO HAVE A VERY GOOD CHARITY.

I THINK THIS YEAR IT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY BENEFIT ONE OF OUR OWN HERE IN HARDEEVILLE.

SO PLEASE COME OUT FOR THIS YEAR FOR SURE.

OKAY, CHIEF. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. CHIEF.

CAMP. CAMP.

THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR SUPPORTING THIS EVENT.

AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING NOW A WHILE.

SO FIVE YEARS IN A ROW.

AGAIN, WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT EVERY YEAR.

UNFORTUNATELY, I'M.

I'M RETIRED FROM PLAYING SINCE THEY WON'T LET A 63 YEAR OLD PLAY ANYMORE IN SOFTBALL.

SO ANYWAY, I'M COACHING.

SO AGAIN, I HOPE TO BRING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OUT AGAIN AND COACH THEM TO ANOTHER VICTORY.

SO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT AND THANK THE PUBLIC TOO.

OH, HERE HE COMES. THANK YOU.

I'M PRETTY SURE IT WASN'T HIS AGE AS WHY HE'S NOT PLAYING ANYMORE.

EXCUSE ANY EXCUSE.

THANK YOU. AN EARLIER DATE GIVE YOU GENTLEMEN TIME TO CHERRY PICK THE TEAMS YOU WANT? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE'RE WAITING FOR THE, BANANAS FOSTER TO BE COOKED UP.

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OR AT LEAST WE'LL GET THE MINUTES OUT OF THE WAY.

[VII. PRESENTATION & APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

AND COUNCIL DID RECEIVE THE THE CORRECT ONE, RIGHT? YES. OKAY.

SO I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES.

MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JANUARY 4TH, MEETING.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. OKAY.

THEN ANY. SHE'S NOT HERE YET, AND I THINK KATIE IS MISSING TWO OF HER APPLICANTS.

OKAY, SO WHAT WE'LL DO, WE'RE GOING TO GO ON TO WE HAVE ONE OLD BUSINESS ITEM.

[A. JANUARY 4, 2024, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING]

[VIII. OLD BUSINESS]

THIS IS SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE TO ADOPT THE MASTER PLAN FOR A SITE CALLED THE PARK AT EAST ARGENT,

[A. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE TO ADOPT A MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL FOR A TRACT OF LAND CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY +/- 91.6 ACRES, KNOWN GENERALLY AS THE PARK AT EAST ARGENT TO INCLUDE PARCEL 066-00-00-003 LOCATED OFF EAST ARGENT PARKWAY AND TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE TO INDICATE THAT PORTION SUBJECT TO THE MASTER PLAN (2024-1-4B) PUBLIC HEARING]

AND TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE.

THIS IS SECOND READING.

IT'S 2024.

DASH 1-4B MR. CZYMBOR, PLEASE. MR. MAYOR, WE GOOD? GOOD AFTERNOON.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY COMMENTS.

WE'LL RECOMMEND THE ADOPTION AT SECOND READING, WHICH WOULD BE FOR THIS ORDINANCE, WHICH WOULD APPROVE THE 240 SINGLE FAMILY UNIT DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS THE PARK.

OKAY, SO LET'S OPEN THE QUESTIONING WITH MISTER MEERSMAN, PLEASE.

I HAVE NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

MRS GUZMAN. I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

ACTUALLY. I WAS LOOKING AT THE THE BODY OF WATER OVER THERE, AND I WAS WATCHING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AND I ALSO DID SEE THAT THAT LAKE IS GOING TO BE STOCKED WITH FISH, WHICH I ASSUME IS GOING TO BE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO FISH IN THAT LAKE.

CORRECT. OKAY.

SO SINCE THAT IS A MULTI-FAMILY HOME AND THERE'S GOING TO BE CHILDREN IN THERE, I JUST WANT TO FIND OUT, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CHILDREN ARE KEPT SAFE? BECAUSE ANY BODY OF WATER CREATED LIKE THAT IS CONSIDERED AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE.

WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS TO SECURE THAT? SO WE DON'T HAVE, ANY UNFORESEEN ACCIDENTS IN THERE? I'M JIM FRANKS, REPRESENT THE OWNER.

AND I'M I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THE QUESTION, BECAUSE THERE THERE'S NO BODY OF WATER THAT WOULD DIFFER FROM ANY LAGOON IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY FENCING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A WALKWAY THAT ACTUALLY GOES, TRAVERSES ALL THE WAY AROUND THE LAGOON, WITH, A SIDEWALK ACCESS HERE AND PARKING HERE.

SO IT'S MADE FOR RECREATIONAL USE.

SO MY MY QUESTION ACTUALLY IS, CHILDREN ARE CHILDREN, AND THEY'RE VERY CURIOUS CREATURES.

HOW WOULD YOU WHAT STEPS WOULD YOU TAKE TO PREVENT A CHILD FROM STRAYING INTO THAT AREA AND GOING INTO THAT LAKE OR COMING IN CONTACT WITH THAT LAKE FOR ANY REASON? LIKE I SAID, KIDS ARE VERY CURIOUS CREATURES, AND THEY GET AWAY FROM HOME AND GO TO THE LAKE BECAUSE, HEY, THERE'S FISH IN THERE.

WE CAN GO FISH.

WELL, AGAIN, I'M I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE THERE ARE LAGOONS.

IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I MEAN, THERE THEY COMPENSATE.

MOST EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS 15% OR BETTER OF THE OF THE LAND MASS THAT IS, IS LAGOONS AND SOME ARE IN THE BACKYARDS AS SOME OF THESE ARE.

BUT YOU DON'T. I'M NOT SURE WHAT PRECAUTIONS.

YOU COULD PUT I MEAN, YOU DON'T FENCE THEM OFF.

NO YOU DON'T. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO FENCE THEM, BUT I'M JUST ASKING WHAT PRECAUTIONS CAN YOU TAKE? I MEAN, WOULD YOU WOULD YOU, LIKE, INCREASE SIGNAGE? NOW, THE SIGNAGE DOES ADDRESS, LIKE, ALLIGATORS, RIGHT? ALLIGATORS, DON'T, YOU KNOW, MESS WITH THEM BECAUSE THERE'S SOUTH CAROLINA STATUTES THAT ADDRESS THAT.

OKAY, BUT AS FAR AS KIDS STRAY, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, THE KIDS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO READ THE SIGNS ANYWAY, SO I'M REALLY NOT NOT SURE WHAT WE COULD DO THERE TO, TO AMELIORATE THAT PROBLEM.

OKAY. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT KID IN DISNEY IN 2016

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I MEAN, HE WAS RIGHT ON THE BEACH.

HE WENT TO GET A CUP OF SAND TO FINISH HIS SANDCASTLE, AND A AND A GATOR GRABBED HIM.

I MEAN, THERE WAS NO SIGNAGE ON THAT PROPERTY ABOUT THE GATORS LURKING IN THAT WATER.

AND A TWO YEAR OLD LOST HIS LIFE.

SO, WHEN I SEE STUFF LIKE THAT AND I HEAR MULTIFAMILY AND I HEAR KIDS GOING TO BE LIVING IN THERE, THAT'S WHERE MY MIND GOES.

SO AND YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING SIGNAGE UP AND MAKING THAT KNOWN SO THAT PEOPLE DO KNOW THAT AND THAT THERE IS A PART AND PART OF IT INVOLVES RESPONSIBLE PARENTING AND AND TAKING ALL THE PRECAUTIONS YOU CAN AND, I THINK YOU WILL.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE COUNT ON YOU TO DO THAT.

YEAH. EVERY LAGOON WILL HAVE MULTIPLE SIGNS ON IT, REFERENCING THE DO NOT DISTURB THE ALLIGATORS AND THE SOUTH CAROLINA STATUTES THAT BEAR WITNESS TO THAT.

OKAY. I JUST WANT TO ADD, IF YOU'RE CONCERN IS DROWNING, TYPICALLY WHEN THESE WHEN THESE LAGOONS ARE DUG, THEY LEAVE A LITERAL SHELF IN THERE.

IF A KID DOES TUMBLE, JUST ROLL.

TUMBLE IN, OKAY? THEY'RE NOT OKAY.

HEAD UNDERWATER. OKAY.

OKAY? BECAUSE WHERE I LIVE IN HILTON HEAD LAKES, THERE'S A LOT OF LAKES AROUND.

I DON'T LIVE ON A LAKE, BUT A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS WHERE THE THEIR PROPERTY LINE GOES INTO THE WATER, THEY ALL, MOST OF THEM, AT LEAST 99% OF THEM HAVE A FENCE.

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I GUESS THEY HAVE DOGS.

THEY WANT TO PREVENT THE GATORS FROM HAVING A SCOOBY SNACK.

BUT, A LOT OF THEM HAVE FENCES, SO.

IF I MAY JUST ADD, TO GO OUT OF TURN A LITTLE BIT, PERHAPS THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF EDUCATION PROCESS FOR ANY NEW RENTER.

ASSIGN. YOU MADE A GOOD POINT.

A SIX YEAR OLD'S NOT GOING TO READ A SIGN.

BUT THEN AGAIN, A SIX YEAR OLD SHOULDN'T BE WANDERING NEAR LAGOON WITHOUT A PARENT.

YOU KNOW, LET'S HOPE THERE'S RESPONSIBLE PARENTING.

BUT, PERHAPS A A SOME SORT OF INFORMATION PACKET YOU COULD DEVELOP.

AND SO NEW RENTER COMES IN, TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN THE DANGERS OF ANYBODY, WHETHER IT'S THAT OR ANY LAGOON, THAT THEY NEED TO STAY AWAY.

THEY DON'T FEED THE ALLIGATORS.

WHATEVER THE NORMAL STATUTE IS FOR THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA, I THINK THAT COULD BE VERY HELPFUL IN, PUTTING THE FEAR OF GOD, SO TO SPEAK, INTO NEW RESIDENTS WHO MAYBE HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND ALLIGATORS BEFORE.

WELL, YOU'RE NEXT THE POINT.

ARE YOU DONE, VALERIE? I'M SORRY.

I'M DONE. SO THANK YOU.

I THINK HARRY'S POINT IS WELL TAKEN.

AND I THINK YOUR YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THIS AND DOING A GOOD JOB AND MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE JOY OF LIVING THERE AND NOT ANY KIND OF TRAGEDIES OR BAD THINGS THAT HAPPEN.

AND WE COUNT ON YOU TO DO A GOOD JOB AND TAKE THE LEADERSHIP THERE.

AND NOT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS ABOUT ALLIGATORS AND THE STATE LAWS.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE THEM AWARE AND THE DANGERS AND, I THINK MOST PEOPLE COMPLY WHEN THEY HEAR THOSE FACTS.

THANK YOU. I ASKED A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS LAST TIME.

AND YOU, YOU'VE SATISFIED THOSE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO WASTE TIME AND GO OVER THEM AGAIN.

BUT, AND I'M VERY PLEASED WITH THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT THAT I SEE HERE WITH THE PARKS AND, AND BUT JUST GO BACK TO THAT ONE FISHING LAKE AGAIN AND MAYBE THIS IS FOR STAFF.

IS THIS PART OF THE STORM WATER SYSTEM BESIDES IT BEING A FISHING POND, IS IT PART OF THE STORM WATER SYSTEM AS WELL? YEAH. THE ANSWER IS YES.

COME ON, KATIE, I WAS GOING TO SAY YES, BUT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE US A LOT MORE ENGINEERING DETAIL FOR US TO TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, THE EXACT DETAILS OF HOW MUCH OF THE STORM WATER SYSTEM. OH, OKAY.

OKAY. NO, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FACTOR AS WELL.

AND WHY THOSE WATER WATER WAYS ARE THERE TO THE FIRST PLACE IS TO PROVIDE THE THE STORM WATER FLOW.

BUT THAT'S NOT COMPLETE YET.

SO OKAY THAT COMES WITH THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

AND JUST ONE OTHER POINT, WHICH I BROUGHT UP LAST TIME, AND I JUST WANT TO GET IT ON THE RECORD AGAIN.

THE CITY.

WE ARE WORKING ON AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM THAT WE'RE ASKING EVERYBODY TO, PARTICIPATE IN, AND THERE'S NO DETAILS YET.

SO I CAN'T ASK YOU TO SAY YES OR NO, BUT I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT IN YOUR HEAD.

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AND, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET'S OUTPACING THE, THE AFFORDABILITY OF, OF CERTAIN SEGMENTS OF, OF OUR WORKFORCE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH A PLAN AND HOPEFULLY, YOU'LL YOU'LL WANT TO BE A PART OF IT.

SO ABSOLUTELY WILL.

OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU.

NOW WE OPEN THIS UP TO THE PUBLIC.

THIS IS SECOND READING, AND THE FINAL READING AND THE FINAL VOTE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

DOES ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS AND ANYONE ONLINE? NO ONE. NO ONE. OH, YEAH.

YEAH. OKAY.

SEEING NONE, I'LL NOW ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.

THIS IS SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE 2024.

DASH 1-4B MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE.

2020 4-1-4B WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND AND A MOTION? WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE. I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. CONGRATULATIONS.

WELCOME TO THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE.

GOOD LUCK. AND, BE GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR LAND.

THANK YOU. NEXT.

NOW WE GO INTO NEW BUSINESS.

[IX. NEW BUSINESS]

OH, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE NUMBER SIX.

BE. SORRY, A LITTLE BIT OF A DELAYED FRAZZLED. I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO LOGAN.

ALWAYS LIKE THAT.

OJT. GET THEM IN, GET THEM OUT.

PUT THEM IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.

LOGAN WAS VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN BRINGING THIS PROJECT FORWARD WITH THE SAVANNAH BANANAS FOSTER.

SO I'M GOING TO LET HIM TALK A LITTLE BIT, AND I'M GOING TO GO GET THE CHIEF SO WE CAN GET SOME GREAT PHOTO OPS IN JUST A MINUTE.

SO, LOGAN, YOU'RE WELCOME.

GOOD EVENING. UNFORTUNATELY, I WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND THIS EVENT AFTER ALL THE PLANNING AND STUFF.

I HAD NECK SURGERY THE DAY OF THIS GAME.

BUT STILL A GREAT CAUSE.

I'M SURE SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE SAVANNAH BANANAS.

JESSE COLE, THE OWNER AND HIS WIFE, EMILY.

THEY ARE A FOSTER FAMILY AND HAVE BEEN SINCE 2020.

AND THEY STARTED A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION.

CLEVERLY NAMED BANANAS FOSTER.

JOLIE THAT'S HERE FROM BANANAS FOSTER IS THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR.

YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A METHOD.

THEY CELEBRATE AND INSPIRE AND EDUCATE.

THAT'S THEIR THREE STEPS OF THEIR NONPROFIT.

THEY WORK TO CELEBRATE FOSTER FAMILIES ALL AROUND THE WORLD.

THEY EDUCATE OTHERS AND TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO GET INVOLVED IN THE FOSTER CARE SYSTEM.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THEY ENCOURAGE FOSTER FAMILIES TO SHARE THEIR STORIES, TO INSPIRE OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THE SAME.

AS PART OF THE BATTLE OF THE BADGES, EVERY YEAR WE CHOOSE A BENEFICIARY.

THIS YEAR, THIS WAS IT.

AND THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS WERE ABLE TO RAISE $4,875.

THAT'S BEEN DONATED TO BANANAS FOSTER.

IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE OR DONATING.

THEY HAVE A WEBSITE, BANANAS FOSTER.

ORG. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE THE BIG CEREMONIAL CHICK TO PRESENT TO JOLIE.

AND THEN IF SHE WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION.

MORE THAN WELCOME.

SURE. YEAH. PLEASE, PLEASE COME FORWARD INTO THE MICROPHONE.

YOU KNOW, JOLIE, THE.

NORMALLY NOBODY COMES TO THESE MEETINGS, BUT THEY HEARD ABOUT YOU COMING, AND THAT'S.

SO YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

WOW. DREW SUCH A CROWD.

THANK YOU. NO, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF BANANAS FOSTER, BUT ALSO THE SAVANNAH BANANAS.

I JUST TALKED TO, OUR NEW FALL IN OR FALL, OUR NEW, INTERNS HERE FOR THE SPRING.

THERE'S 17 OF THEM, AND THEY JUST TOLD ME THAT THEY ARE READY TO RUN THROUGH THE WALL FOR CHILD WELFARE AND THESE KIDS AND TEENS IN FOSTER CARE.

AND SO I WAS LIKE, THAT'S SO INSPIRATIONAL TO COME HERE.

SO REALLY EXCITED.

ALL THE SUPPORT THAT YOU AND THE BATTLE OF THE BADGES, PUT FORTH INTO THIS IS GOING DIRECTLY BACK TO FOSTER FAMILIES IN NEED, BUT ALSO TO HOPEFULLY RAISE AWARENESS FOR MORE FOSTER FAMILIES AND, AND FOSTER FOSTER CARE TEENS AND CHILDREN.

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OUR ORGANIZATION CANNOT THANK YOU ENOUGH.

AND IT WAS A VERY COLD EVENT, BUT IT WAS VERY FUN.

I'M REALLY SORRY TO THE PERSON THAT HAD THE WINDSHIELD SMASHED FROM THE SOFTBALL.

HOPE THEY WERE OKAY, THAT THEY WERE GOOD.

THEY WERE GOOD. IT WAS ALL IN GOOD SPIRITS, BUT, THANK YOU BOTH TO OUR, OBVIOUSLY, THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, BUT TO BOTH THE POLICE AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR THAT.

WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR FOR THAT SUPPORT.

AND SO. YEAH. THANK YOU.

GREAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. YOU GET YOUR PICTURES.

COUNCIL. IF I CAN JUST TAKE A FEW MORE MINUTES OF YOUR TIME, IF YOU'LL COME DOWN FOR A PHOTO OP SO WE CAN GET A PICTURE OF ALL OF YOU, OR WE CAN SEND EVERYONE UP BEHIND YOU.

WHICHEVER. WHICHEVER WORKS BEST.

WHAT A GREAT EVENT. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING.

SOMEBODY ELSE. NOTED.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, NOW WE GO INTO NEW BUSINESS.

THIS FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, TO ADOPT THE MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL FOR A TRACT OF LAND CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 31.9 ACRES,

[A. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO ADOPT A MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL FOR A TRACT OF LAND CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY +/- 31.9 ACRES, KNOWN GENERALLY AS FARMHOUSE AT EAST ARGENT TO INCLUDE A PORTION OF PARCEL 067-00-01-042 LOCATED OFF EAST ARGENT PARKWAY AND TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE TO INDICATE THAT PORTION SUBJECT TO THE MASTER PLAN (2023-11-16B) PUBLIC HEARING]

THIS IS WILL AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE TO INDICATE THAT PORTION SUBJECT TO THE MASTER PLAN.

THIS IS ORDINANCE 2023 DASH 1116 B AND THERE ARE, THAT'S JUST ONE ONE ORDINANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS TONIGHT, RIGHT, MIKE? YES, SIR. OKAY.

SO TAKE IT AWAY.

I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO RUSTY WINDSOR TO FROM KIMLEY-HORN TO EXPLAIN WHAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THE LAST TIME YOU HEARD THIS PROJECT.

OKAY, SO, RUSTY, IS THAT MICROPHONE ON? YES. OKAY.

IF YOU NEED THE LASER. WELCOME.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING US COME TO YOU AND PRESENT THIS TO YOU TODAY.

SO THIS IS FOR, AS YOU SAID, FOR FARM FARMHOUSE AT EAST ARGENT.

MY NAME IS RUSTY WINDSOR WITH KIMLEY-HORN, AND WE'RE HERE ON BEHALF OF, ORANGE CAPITAL FOR THIS PROPERTY.

SO LET ME SEE.

I'LL MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. PERFECT.

WHAT I WANTED TO DO FIRST IS KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH A TIMELINE OF WHAT WE'VE, WHERE WE'VE WHERE WE STARTED AND HOW WE'VE GOTTEN TO HERE TODAY.

BACK ON SEPTEMBER 13TH, WE APPEARED FOR THE FIRST, COUNCIL MEETING OR.

SORRY, PLANNING, PLANNING AND ZONING.

WE HAD LITTLE COMMENTS.

AT THAT MEETING, THEY ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT BASED ON, THE PLAN THAT WE SUBMITTED AT THAT TIME.

THEN ON 925 OF LAST YEAR, WE CAME TO A COUNCIL WORKSHOP.

AT THAT MEETING, WE HEARD FROM, FROM YOU AS A MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

WE ALSO HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF THE RESIDENTS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY AT RIVERTON POINT.

AND SO WHAT WE DID AFTER THAT MEETING IS WE WORKED TO SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH, THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE A HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING WITH THEM TO KIND OF DISCUSS THE PLAN, KIND OF UPDATE THEM WHAT OUR INTENTIONS WERE FOR THE PROJECT.

THAT MEETING WAS ON A ON NOVEMBER 2ND OF LAST YEAR.

THEN SUBSEQUENTLY AFTER THAT MEETING, WE MET WITH THEM AGAIN ON THE SEVENTH AND ACTUALLY WENT OUT TO THE SITE AND WALKED THE GOLF COURSE WITH THEM.

THEN WE CAME BACK HERE FOR OUR FIRST OUR FIRST READING.

COUNCIL. AT THAT ONE, WE WERE TOLD THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T SIT FOR BECAUSE WE WERE WAITING ON SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.

SO, BUT WE ALSO HEARD, AGAIN FROM THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND FROM THE RESIDENTS.

AND SO WE WE WENT BACK AND MADE SOME MORE REVISIONS AND ADDITIONS TO THE PLAN, MET WITH THE COUNTY OR, SORRY, THE COMMUNITY AGAIN, RIVERTON POINT ON NOVEMBER 10TH.

AND THEN WE'RE HERE TODAY ON THE 18TH.

SO AT EACH ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS, WE DISCUSSED KIND OF WHAT SOME REVISIONS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE.

THIS WAS OUR INITIAL PLAN THAT WE SUBMITTED A PLANNING COMMISSION AND, AND ALSO CAME HERE TO YOU TO FOR FOR YOU TO SEE.

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AND WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES DUE TO SOME, SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND AND ISSUES THAT WE HEARD AND WERE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.

SO, MIKA, I WANT TO.

THERE YOU GO. SO THIS WAS A, AFTER THE MEETING THAT WE HAD FOR THE WORKSHOP AND THE COMMUNITY MEETING, THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD DURING THOSE MEETINGS WERE AS FAR AS ISSUES WOULD BE.

SO I WALKED THROUGH AND SHOW YOU HOW WE ADDRESS THESE.

SO THE FIRST ONE WAS THAT THEY, PREFERRED A BUFFER INSTEAD OF A LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

SO, WHEN I SAY A BUFFER, A PRESERVE BUFFER.

SO PRESERVE THE EXISTING VEGETATION BETWEEN THE TWO COMMUNITIES.

THE CODE REQUIRES JUST A LANDSCAPE BUFFER, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU CAN REMOVE THOSE TREES AND THEN PLANT BACK TREES.

THAT WOULD CREATE A VISUAL SCREENING.

AND SO WHAT WE WOUND UP DOING IN THIS PLAN IS WE WOUND UP, WE MOVED, SOME BUILDINGS AROUND AND, AND MOVED SOME MOVED SOME OTHER BUILDINGS AROUND SO THAT WE WOULD MAINTAIN A PRESERVED BUFFER OF 20FT, THROUGH HERE.

AND BY BY DOING THAT, THAT WE FELT LIKE THAT ADDRESSED THE CONCERN THERE.

AND THE SECOND THING WE HEARD WAS A MOVE.

THE FOUR STORY BUILDING, BUILDING NUMBER SEVEN, WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED TO BE ADJACENT TO ADJACENT TO THE HOLE, GOLF HOLE NUMBER SEVEN.

AND AND SO WE WOUND UP MOVING THIS BUILDING AND REPOSITIONING THE DOG PARK.

AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE MOVED MOVED BUILDING SEVEN A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WAY AWAY FROM THE BUILDING AND THEN MOVE THE DOG PARK THAT WAS OVER HERE.

WE'RE BUILDING EIGHT IS OVER TO THAT AREA TO GIVE US MORE ROOM TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A BUFFER.

AND SO THAT, THAT, PRESERVED BUFFER IS 80FT IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THERE.

SO WE FELT LIKE WE MET THAT ANOTHER CONCERN THAT WE HEARD WAS THAT THE FENCE WOULD BE, AT THE REQUESTED A FENCE TO BE ADDED FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY LINE. BASED ON THE CURRENT ORDINANCES OF THE PD, THE CITY AND, AND THE COMMUNITY, OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE IN THIS AREA, THAT'S A STANDARD THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE FOR ANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE CAN FIND.

AND SO THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T PROPOSE AT THIS TIME.

THE NEXT THING WAS THAT THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ABOUT WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE, WAS AND HOW THE GOLF COURSE RELATED TO THAT.

SO, ALEC WITH ORANGE CAPITAL WENT OUT THERE, MARKED THE LINE AND, AND MET WITH THEM ON NOVEMBER 7TH TO SHOW THEM THAT LINE.

AND THEN THERE WAS A CONCERN OF A VISUAL IMPACT TO THE GOLF COURSE.

AND SO AT THAT SAME MEETING, THERE WERE, BALLOONS SET UP, AT AN ELEVATION OF 50FT, SET UP WHERE THE, THE BUILDINGS WOULD BE. AND NOBODY COULD SEE THOSE BALLOONS DURING THAT, DURING THAT MEETING.

AND THEN THE LAST THING WAS ABOUT JUNIPER STREET.

THAT WAS A CONCERN WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT, AND, AND CONCERNS WITH THAT.

THAT EASEMENT IS A, A LONG STANDING EASEMENT THAT HAS BEEN THERE SINCE BEFORE THE, WE GOT INVOLVED WITH THIS PROPERTY AND, AND IT'S, IT'S AN EASEMENT THAT IS OWNED BY TOLL BROTHERS.

SO THAT IS OUT OF OUR CONTROL AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS THE EASEMENT GOES.

SO THAT'S HOW WE ADDRESS THAT.

AND WE AND WE CAME BACK IN A, IN OUR FIRST READING AND WE HAD, MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE CONCERNS WERE BROUGHT UP AT THAT MEETING.

AND THIS IS THE OUTCOME OF THE PLAN, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU TODAY.

THEY WANT US TO REQUEST A CHANGE.

THE GARAGES, THERE ARE A TOTAL OF SEVEN GARAGES ON THE, ON THE SITE.

AND AND SO THEY ASKED FOR US TO ADD A, WHAT I WOULD CALL A CARRIAGE UNIT, A UNIT ABOVE THE GARAGES.

AND WE LOOKED AT THAT AND IT WOULD ADD SEVEN MORE, UNITS TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULDN'T GIVE US, WOULDN'T EVEN GIVE EACH ONE OF THESE, BUILDINGS HAVE TEN FLOORS OR TEN UNITS ON EACH BUILDING, EACH FLOOR.

SO IT WOULDN'T EVEN REDUCE ONE BUILDING DOWN TO THREE.

THE SECOND THING IS THAT THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION IS MORE FOR THAT CARRIAGE UNIT THAN A STANDARD MULTIFAMILY UNIT AND THE OTHER BUILDINGS.

SO WE ELECTED NOT TO DO THAT, ADDITIONAL, BUFFER RESERVE BETWEEN THE COMMUNITIES.

SO ORIGINALLY WE HAD PROPOSED A 20 FOOT BUFFER THROUGH HERE.

AND I'M GOING TO LOOK TO LAURA AND SEE WHAT THAT.

BUT I THINK IT'S WE PROVIDED A 30 FOOT BUFFER IS WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

BY DOING BY PROVIDING THAT 30 FOOT BUFFER HERE, WE ACTUALLY DECREASED THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE OTHER SIDE BY ANOTHER BY THAT SAME DISTANCE.

SO WE'VE GOT A 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE, ON THE ALONG EAST ARGENT PARKWAY.

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ANOTHER THING TO NOTE IS THAT THIS WETLAND, ENTIRE WETLAND SYSTEM HERE WILL NOT BE IMPACT IMPACTED AT ALL.

SO ALL THE TREES AND EVERYTHING LOCATED IN THAT AREA WILL REMAIN AS THEY ARE.

SAME WITH THIS GREEN AREA HERE.

BASICALLY EACH ONE OF THE GREEN AREAS ARE WETLANDS AND THOSE THOSE WILL BE PRESERVED.

AND SO THE TREES THAT ARE IN PLACE THERE WILL, WILL STAY.

THE NEXT ONE WAS, STILL THE REQUEST FOR A FENCE.

AS YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T REALLY DO THAT.

AND THEN THE REQUEST FOR THE JUNIPER STREET.

SO WITH THAT, THIS IS THIS IS A PLAN THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU TODAY.

WE ALSO CREATED MORE OF A, AN ILLUSTRATIVE OF OF THE TREES THAT ARE THERE, AND A BUFFER PLAN TO KIND OF SHOW YOU A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF THE AREAS THAT WILL BE PRESERVED.

SO THAT'S THAT'S ALL I GOT.

AND I REALLY THANK YOU FOR, LET ME WALK YOU THROUGH THAT.

I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

I THINK NEXT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR IS FROM MATT, TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE TEMPORARY LIGHT REQUEST THAT WE MADE AT ARJUN BOULEVARD. HE'S.

WE CAN'T HAVE IT NOW. I'M JUST KIDDING.

I'M KIDDING. YOUR BACKS TO THESE PEOPLE.

I WAS GOING TO SAY I'M KIDDING.

THAT'S PRETTY OLD. NO ALLIGATORS RIGHT NOW.

SO, BOTH THE, SUBMITTALS, THE PERMIT APPLICATIONS ARE MADE FOR BOTH THE PERMANENT PLANS FOR THE INTERSECTION AS WELL AS THE TEMPORARY.

THEY WERE SUBMITTED RIGHT AFTER THE HOLIDAY BREAK.

THE TEMPORARY PLANS WERE DONE EXACTLY THE WAY SCDOT SUGGESTED THEY BE DONE, BECAUSE THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

WHEN WE INITIALLY REACHED OUT AND SAID, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS IN THE INTERIM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES SUCH A LONG TIME TO PERMIT THAT, THAT FULL INTERSECTION.

SO THEY THEY MADE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

OUR CONSULTANT TOOK THOSE AND TURNED THOSE INTO THE PLANS.

AND THEY ARE IN NOW FOR REVIEW.

SO AGAIN, I LEARNED A LONG I'VE LEARNED THAT I CANNOT MAKE PROMISES OR GUARANTEES, BUT I AM CONFIDENT THAT THAT WILL BE A RELATIVELY QUICK PROCESS.

THE GOOD NEWS IN THAT ALSO IS THAT THE TEMPORARY SIGNAL, WE WERE VERY CAREFUL.

AND IN DESIGNING THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE MADE, THAT IT WILL BE LESS THAN HALF AN ACRE OF NEW DISTURBANCE, WHICH IS THAT TRIGGER POINT FOR ENHANCED ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING, WHICH TAKES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO WE'VE AVOIDED THAT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S REALLY WHAT TYPICALLY THE HOLDUP IS.

SO WE'RE REALLY PLEASED THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO TO DEAL WITH THAT.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THE SIGNAL.

AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE IT WON'T BE IDEAL.

I MEAN, I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS PANACEA BECAUSE IT WON'T BE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WILL BE BETTER.

THERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, SOME LIMITED SHORT LEFT HAND TURN LANES ON ARGENT, YOU KNOW, TURNING IN ONTO BOTH OF THE SIDE STREETS, PROBABLY 2 OR 3 CAR LENGTHS.

THAT'S ALL WE CAN ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT DOING ADDITIONAL WIDENING, WHICH YOU THINK GETS INTO A LONGER PERMITTING PROCESS, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTALLY.

BUT THAT'LL BE THE LONG TERM SOLUTION.

BUT IN THE INTERIM WE WILL HAVE THAT.

SO WE WILL HAVE THAT SIGNAL.

SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, INCLUDING ME, THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.

THEY'RE SUBMITTED TO SCDOT.

YES, SIR. AND DECK AND DECK.

YES. OKAY.

AND THE INDICATION IS THAT DOT DOT IS IN SUPPORT OF THE TIME VERY MUCH.

YES, VERY MUCH SO.

OKAY. IT'S REALLY I BELIEVE IT'S TRULY JUST A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, CROSSING EYES AND DOT AND T'S, I'M NOT GOING TO FORGETTING MY ALPHABET.

I'M NOT GOING TO DOUBTING YOUR TIMETABLE, BECAUSE WE'VE ALL DEALT WITH DOTTY ENOUGH THAT IT'S VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF AND SUPPORTIVE OF THE TEMPORARY SIGNAL.

YES, SIR. WE.

AND THIS IS JUST FOR COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC.

THERE'S IT WOULD BE PROBABLY NOT ACCURATE OR NOT.

NOT HONEST WITH ANYBODY TO SAY GIVE A TIMETABLE.

IT JUST IT JUST DON'T KNOW.

IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT. I MEAN, I IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE A YEAR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, IT JUST BECAUSE OF OF THE KIND OF PERMANENCE THAT WE'VE APPLIED FOR ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE OTHERS.

RIGHT? YOU KNOW, IT'S A PERMANENT LIGHT.

WOULD TAKE THAT LONG. YES, SIR.

ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF WETLANDS, ACTUALLY.

WHEN THE EAST ARGENT SIDE OF ARGENT.

ORIGIN BOULEVARD THERE THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH.

SO OKAY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. SO NEXT, ARE YOU FINISHED? I'M DONE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M SURE THERE WILL BE MORE QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.

SO, LET'S START, THIS TIME WITH MR. WHITE. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO ASK YOU, WITH ALL THE CHANGES YOU DID WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS, DID YOU GO

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THAT'S WHAT WE MEANT. OR AT LEAST SOME AGREEMENT, OR AT LEAST AT THE VERY WORST, THAT'S GOT ABOUT 80% OF WHAT WE WANTED, IS MY POINT.

WHAT'S WHAT WAS YOUR READ ON THAT? YEAH. SO, ALEC ACTUALLY MET WITH HIM.

IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO A LITTLE BIT.

I WASN'T PRESENT AT THE MEETING.

EVENING COUNCIL.

ALEC. GREG WITH ORANGE CAPITAL.

NICE TO SEE YOU ALL. ALL AGAIN? WE MET.

I GUESS IT WAS LAST WEEK.

AND THIS IS THE LATEST PLAN THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

AND I WOULD SAY FOR THE MOST PART, WE'VE REACHED A GOOD MIDDLE GROUND WITH EVERYONE.

I THINK MOST WOULD AGREE, FROM WHERE WE STARTED TO WHERE WE ARE NOW, INCREASING THE BUFFER.

BUT I'VE TRIED TO IMPLEMENT AS MUCH AS I POSSIBLY CAN TO MAKE IT WORK FOR US AND THEM, AND I UNDERSTAND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND AT THE BEGINNING HOW IMPORTANT THE GOLF COURSE WAS.

AND I'M GLAD WE HAD THESE MEETINGS AND THIS INPUT.

SO I THINK WE'VE COME UP WITH A BETTER PROJECT.

BUT I DO FEEL LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE MADE SOME GOOD CHANGES ON THIS, AND.

FOR THE MOST PART, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE.

WAS ON BOARD WITH IT THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE TO SPEAK TO THAT TO CONFIRM.

BUT WE DID SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE INPUT THEY HAD.

I'M GLAD WE DID THIS.

THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST COMMUNITY INPUT THAT I'VE HAD ON A PROJECT.

I THINK IT HAS MADE IT A BETTER PROJECT.

SO MY LIVING HERE OVER 20 YEARS, MY EXPERIENCE IS MOST OF THE COMMUNITIES ARE EXACTLY THAT KIND OF MODEL.

A CONSENSUS WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN, FOLKS MAKING SOME INPUTS, CHANGES DONE AND GETTING A CONSENSUS.

AND I THINK THAT'S A LOT BETTER THAN BUTTING HEADS THE WHOLE TIME.

AND SO I'M GLAD YOU DID THAT.

AND YES, SIR, MAKES OUR JOB A LITTLE BIT EASIER.

ANYTHING ELSE? BO. THAT'S IT FOR ME.

MRS GUZMAN. I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND AN OBSERVATION.

LIKE I ASKED THE PREVIOUS GUYS ABOUT THE PROTECTION OF THE LITTLES AROUND THOSE BODIES OF WATER.

SINCE IT'S A MULTIFAMILY, PROJECT, SIGNAGE IS GOING TO GO UP AND ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF.

RIGHT? GOOD. YES, MA'AM.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

JUNIPER STREET, I CAN.

CAN YOU.

I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, WHEN YOU SAY THAT THERE'S A LONG STANDING EASEMENT, OWNED OWNED BY TOLL BROTHERS.

SO WILL JUNIPER STREET, STARTING FROM EAST ARGENT PARKWAY ALL THE WAY DOWN INTO RIVERTON POINTE.

WILL THEY BE USING THAT FOR THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THAT STREET FOR CONSTRUCTION, TRAFFIC, OTHER KINDS OF TRAFFIC OR WHAT? WHAT'S THEIR PLAN FOR JUNIPER STREET? SO THE THE PLAN THAT I'VE ALWAYS HEARD WAS IT'S FOR MAINTENANCE, SUPPLIES, THINGS OF THAT SORT TO GO TO THEIR MAINTENANCE SHED FOR THE GOLF COURSE.

THE RESIDENTS AT RIVERTON POINT DID HAVE A MEETING WITH TOLL BROTHERS, SO THEY MAY BE ABLE TO SHED SOME MORE LIGHT ON WHAT EXACTLY THEY GOT FROM THAT MEETING.

BUT THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, BECAUSE.

I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC GO THAT WAY, BECAUSE IT'S SEEMS TO BE ALL GOING THAT WAY THROUGH THE MAIN ENTRANCE, BUT I CAN'T SAY FOR CERTAIN BECAUSE I'VE ONLY BEEN OUT THERE A FEW TIMES. OKAY.

YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC, COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO COME DOWN THE LENGTH OF JUNIPER STREET BECAUSE IT GOES RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THERE ARE KIDS TRAFFIC, PEOPLE WALKING THEIR DOGS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.

THAT'S A BIG CONCERN FOR ME, ACTUALLY.

SO I, I BELIEVE THIS THIS HAS COME UP A FEW TIMES.

AND WHAT I WAS PLANNING TO DO IS HAVE SOME KIND OF FENCING, LIKE DECORATIVE FENCING THAT'LL LOOK NICE.

IT'LL BASICALLY CREATE A BOUNDARY FROM HERE TO THIS ENTRANCE, HAVE MARKINGS, SOME KIND OF SIGNAGE.

YOU'LL GO TO HERE AND ALL THE WAY UP.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PRIVACY FENCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S A IT'S A BARRIER.

THAT DIRECTS YOU TO THAT INTERSECTION.

AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF STRIPING SIGNAGE.

SO PEOPLE ARE AWARE TO BE CAUTIOUS IF THEY'RE CROSSING THAT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. STEVE, I HAVE TO SAY, I HAVE GRAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT JUNIPER

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I'D LIKE TO HAVE TOLL TELL ME WHAT THEY'RE USING THE ROAD FOR.

YOU FOLKS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT COULD POSSIBLY BE USING FOR.

YOU'VE GIVEN THEM A PERMANENT EASEMENT RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S A PREEXISTING CONDITION THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

YOU'RE YOU'VE DEVELOPED AROUND IT.

SO IT'S THERE. IT CAN'T BE CHANGED.

I HAVE SEEN NO PLAN OF SECURITY.

IS THAT GOING TO BE YOU TO SECURE THAT INTO TOLL BROTHERS? IS IT GOING TO BE TO TOLL BROTHERS? THESE FOLKS HAVE A RIGHT TO SOME TYPE OF SECURITY.

SECOND, I'M GONNA MENTION JUNIPER STREET IS ACTUALLY A SEPARATE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

SO TOLL BROTHERS HAS GOT TO.

THEY'RE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WILL DEVELOP THAT STREET AND DO THAT.

WE'RE SHOWING IT ON OUR PLAN FOR REPRESENTATION.

BUT THERE'S A SEPARATE DEVELOPMENT PLAN BEING SUBMITTED TO THE CITY FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THAT STREET.

SO HONESTLY, WE'VE SHOWN IT ON OUR PLAN THE WHOLE TIME JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS.

BUT THAT STREET IS BEING DESIGNED, DEVELOPED AND COMPLETED BY TOLL BROTHERS.

AND SO I MEAN, THEY THEY HAVE THE RIGHTS TO IT.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU'RE HAVING, YOU CAN YOU STILL HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THOSE ANSWERS BECAUSE THIS IS A MAIN ENTRANCE INTO YOUR DEVELOPMENT. CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH, I, I, I JUST DON'T PUT ANY UNDERSTANDING INTO THAT AND I THOSE ARE YOU JUST MADE SOME QUESTIONS THERE THAT I NEED ANSWERS FOR.

AND I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR THE WHOLE COUNCIL, BUT I DO NEED THOSE ANSWERS TO KNOW WHAT THE PLANS ARE.

HOW ARE WHEN WILL THEY MAKE THAT A PERMANENT STREET? WHEN IS THIS ALL GOING TO COME ABOUT? YOU ALL HAVE A TIME FRAME WITH WHICH YOU WOULD LIKE TO BUILD, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIRS IS, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A KEY COMPONENT.

I CAN'T GIVE YOU ALL THE DETAILS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THEM ALL RIGHT NOW.

AS FAR AS TIMING AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOES, I DO KNOW THAT THAT STREET WILL BE DESIGNED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING.

AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A PATHWAY THAT CONNECTS TO THE EAST ARGENT PARKWAY.

BUT I WILL VERIFY.

I. WE.

WE DON'T HAVE A TOLL BROTHERS REPRESENTATIVE THAT WILL COME FOR THIS APPLICATION, BUT WE CAN TALK TO THEM OFFLINE AND TRY TO GET YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT PROJECT. IT IT IS A PREEXISTING CONDITION.

I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD AS WELL, BY TOLL, THAT IT WILL BE USED FOR SUPPLYING THINGS TO THAT MAINTENANCE FACILITY FOR PURPOSES OF THE GOLF COURSE.

WHEN I'VE BEEN OUT THERE, THERE HASN'T I'VE NEVER ENCOUNTERED ANYBODY ELSE ON THAT ROADWAY.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY WIDELY USED RIGHT NOW.

BUT I WILL FIND BUT I WILL FIND OUT ONCE IT IS IMPROVED, WHAT TO MAKE SURE AND CONFIRM THAT THEIR END USE WILL BE THAT BEFORE SECOND READING, IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU. PRIOR TO SECOND READING.

I WILL WORK ON THAT PRIOR TO SECOND READING.

YES. OKAY.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU. OKAY, I HAVE A FEW THINGS.

AND FIRST OF ALL, AS I ALWAYS DO WHEN I MEET WITH DEVELOPERS OUTSIDE OF THIS ROOM, WE DID MEET, IN LATTER PART OF NOVEMBER AFTER WE TABLED THIS THE FIRST TIME, AND I REQUESTED THAT MEETING, BECAUSE I WANTED TO GO OVER WHERE THE RESIDENTS HAD, SOME RESERVATIONS, AND WE LEFT THAT MEETING, CHARGING YOU WITH SITTING WITH THE RESIDENTS AGAIN.

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS.

AND THAT'S WHY WE TABLED IT AGAIN TO TODAY.

BUT I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT THAT MEETING DID TAKE PLACE.

AND WE DID TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT I'M ABOUT TO BRING UP.

BUT FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO, THANK YOU, PARTICULAR FOR TAKING THE EXTRA STEPS OF WORKING WITH THE RESIDENTS NOT ONLY ONCE, BUT TWICE.

AND I WANT TO THANK THE RESIDENTS FOR, YOU KNOW, BEING PROACTIVE ON THIS.

THIS IS THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE COMMUNITY COMING TOGETHER TO PUT TOGETHER A GOOD PRODUCT AND AND A BETTER PRODUCT THAN IT WAS BEFORE.

SO MY COMPLIMENTS TO EVERYBODY, THE RESIDENTS AND, ORANGE CAPITAL FOR WORKING WITH US ON THIS.

FIRST THING I WANT TO DO AND SOME OF THESE FOLKS MAY BE HERE, MAY NOT, BUT I DID GET SOME LETTERS FROM THE RESIDENTS,

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AND SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THEM UP INTO THE PUBLIC.

AND STAFF IS AWARE OF THIS.

THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO TALKED ABOUT A SECTION IN THE PD THAT READ, SHOULD ANY PD BE ADJACENT TO ANOTHER PROPERTY WITHOUT AN INTERVENING WETLAND, BE INCREASED TO 50FT, AND WHERE DIFFERING LAND USES ARE AND, CUT OFF MULTIFAMILY TO, RESIDENTIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE MS D O SHALL. APPLY.

IN ADDITION, BASICALLY, I'M SORRY THIS HAS BEEN CUT OFF.

IT'S IT SAYS THAT THE PDE REQUIRES A 50 FOOT BUFFER AND AND THAT THEY FENCE.

WHAT'S WHAT'S THIS ABOUT? KATIE? I FORWARDED THIS TO YOU, SO PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE PUBLIC.

ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT THAT STANDARD APPLIES TO THE PERIMETER OF THE PDE ONLY.

SO THIS PARCEL IS CONSIDERED INTERNAL TO THE PDE.

IT DOES NOT HAVE THAT SAME STANDARD.

SO THEY ACTUALLY EXCEED THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN THE PDE FOR THE INTERNAL PARCELS.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL 50 FOOT OR THE FENCING AND PER THAT STANDARD THAT IF IT WAS A PROPERTY LIKE RIVERTON IS ON, THE EXTERIOR IS ON THE EDGE, BUT IT'S ONLY THE BORDER OF THE EAST ARGENT PDE.

OKAY. SO THESE ARE ANY PROPERTIES THAT COME BEFORE US THAT ARE ON THE BORDER OF THE PDE.

AND FOR EVERYBODY'S CLARIFICATION, THE EAST ARGENT PDE IS A 7500 ACRE PARCEL OF LAND THAT GOES FROM ARGENT BOULEVARD ALL THE ALL THE WAY OVER TO TOWARDS OLDFIELD.

SO, SO THOSE PERIMETERS WHEN, WHEN, IF THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT ON THOSE PERIMETERS, THAT'S WHERE THIS APPLIES TO.

CORRECT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. BUT NOT NOT INTERNALLY.

OKAY OKAY.

GOTCHA. NOW, THERE WAS ALSO ANOTHER, EMAIL I RECEIVED ABOUT THE BUFFERS AND IT'S TO ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS AS WELL.

THE. OVER HERE.

WE TALK ABOUT BUFFERS AND A LOT OF TIMES, AND THIS WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE LETTERS FROM THE RESIDENTS.

WE HAVE THIS WORD BUFFER.

AND THEN WHEN YOU START CLEARCUTTING ALL THE TREES ARE GONE.

AND THAT MEANS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE NOT YOU MAY NOT BE BUILDING ON THAT BUFFER, BUT YOU CUT ALL THE TREES DOWN.

SO I'D LIKE YOU TO EXPLAIN TO US WHEN YOU SAY BUFFER, HERE ARE THOSE TREES.

AND I WROTE DOWN, YOU SAID PRESERVE BUFFER.

THAT MEANS YOU ARE NOT CUTTING DOWN THOSE TREES FOR THAT THAT LENGTH OF OF OF, OF THIS LANGUAGE INTO THE, THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN AND THE IN THE NARRATIVE THAT WE HAVE. BUT THE PRESERVE BUFFERS IS, IS NO CUTTING OF TREES, NO CUTTING OF TREES FOR THAT, FOR THE AREAS THAT ARE SHOWN IN, IN GREEN ON YOUR SCREEN RIGHT NOW, THAT IS ALL PRESERVED BUFFERS.

THIS, THIS I MEAN, LET ME USE THIS SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT.

MY MOUSE, ALL OF THIS, THIS AREA HERE, THIS IS ALL PRESERVED BUFFERS, WHICH IS NOT I STATED AGAIN, THIS IS THIS IS US WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE DOING, SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT'S REQUIRED OF THE PDE.

SO WE ARE PROVIDING A LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG EAST ARGENT PARKWAY, SO THAT AREA WILL BE NEED TO BE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THE TRAIL AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT AREA WILL HAVE TO BE, HAVE TO HAVE THE TREES REMOVED AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS, AND THEN PLANTINGS PLANTED BACK TO PROVIDE THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

OKAY. THAT'S NOT FACING ANY HOMES OR GOLF COURSES AND THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HERE.

SO WHAT PLEASE EXPLAIN TO COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.

AND I'M SURE THOSE AT THE MEETING ALREADY KNOW THIS.

BUT YOU HAVE A WHITE DOTTED LINE.

THAT'S THE PROPERTY LINE.

CORRECT. SO THERE'S YOUR BUFFER AND THERE'S 80 WHERE.

GIVE US THE DIMENSIONS OF THOSE GREEN AREAS THAT, YOU HAVE ON THIS MAP.

I CAN STOP MY PHONE FROM RINGING AT ME.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH. SO YOU HAVE 80FT.

THAT IS SHOWN HERE.

THAT IS AN 80 FOOT BUFFER THAT WE'RE SHOWING ON OUR PROPERTY AND THAT'S PRESERVED.

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THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER 30FT HERE, AND THEN WE'RE OFFSETTING THAT ANOTHER 20FT TO THE PARKING PARKING AREA.

SO WE COULD, WE'LL PLANT WE'LL PLANT TREES AND EVERYTHING ALONG THIS PARKING AREA HERE AND THEN THERE.

RIGHT. WHICH IS, THIS IS 20, 20, 20 AND THEN LANDSCAPED OR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A WETLAND WETLAND AREA AND THIS IS ALSO WETLAND. SO IT EXCEEDS THAT, THAT AREA.

SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT, I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH IS THE TOTAL, INCLUDING YOUR ABOVE THE LINE AND TOLL BROTHERS BELOW THE LINE. BELOW THE LINE. I DON'T KNOW THAT I ACTUALLY I THOUGHT YOU HAD THAT NUMBER BEFORE.

I WAS SAYING IT WAS GOING TO BE A IT WAS A THIS WAS 100FT IS WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS.

I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER FROM THE FIRST READING TWO MONTHS AGO.

AND IT WAS I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE THAN THAT, BUT I THOUGHT YOU HAD THOSE NUMBERS.

IT'S ABOUT IT. YEAH. I DON'T HAVE THE MEASUREMENT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT, I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'RE DOING 80 AND THEN THIS VARIES.

SO I THINK THE SMALLEST AREA HERE MAY BE 20.

THIS RIGHT HERE I REMEMBER THIS ONE WAS A 50 FOOT, BUFFER HERE.

AND THEN. SO THAT WOULD MEAN IF YOU DREW A LINE STRAIGHT ACROSS, I CAN'T DRAW A LINE WITH THIS THING STRAIGHT ACROSS, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT AT LEAST 50.

YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER BACK FROM THE MEETING.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW THAT.

OKAY, YOU TALK ABOUT 80FT, BUT IT'S REALLY 180 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT IT'S THE TOTAL GREEN AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE THE THE AMOUNT OF TREES BETWEEN WHAT'S WHAT'S CONSTRUCTION OR PARKING LOT OR BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY AND OR GOLF COURSE THAT THAT ABUTS THERE.

I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE SAME ANSWER THAT KATIE GAVE YOU.

I PROMISE I WILL HAVE THAT AT THE SECOND READING.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, I HAVE IT.

I KNOW I, I THOUGHT BACK THEN THAT YOU HAD THOSE NUMBERS.

SO I WAS REMEMBER IT WAS IT WAS 50.

WHAT I REMEMBER IT BEING THROUGH HERE BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK INCORRECT.

AND ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT'S OTHER THAN THAT LITTLE BUILDING WHICH IS THE MAINTENANCE SHED, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TREE LINE BETWEEN YOUR BUFFER AND THE TALL BUFFER.

AND I THINK THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW THAT NUMBER.

YEAH. OKAY. I'LL HAVE THAT.

WE DID THE LIGHT, THE JUNIPER STREET EASEMENT.

AND THIS IS. AND AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, BUT I CLEARLY REMEMBER SAYING ASKING SOMEBODY TO GET AN ANSWER FROM TOLL BROTHERS WHETHER OR NOT YOU KNOW, WHEN CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON.

IT'S ONE THING WHILE YOU'RE BUILDING AND THAT'S GOING TO TAKE YEARS, RIGHT? BUT SO BUT WHEN THAT'S DONE AND THESE BUILDINGS ARE OCCUPIED, I THINK I SAID THIS AT THE FIRST TIME WE TABLED THIS, THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A PLAN TO CUT THAT OFF.

AND I KNOW THAT'S IN THE HANDS OF TOLL BROTHERS, BUT I THOUGHT SOMEBODY WAS GOING TO APPROACH THEM.

DONNA, YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT WHEN.

OKAY. IN PUBLIC COMMENT.

WOULD YOU ANSWER THAT? OKAY. YEAH.

WHY DON'T YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU HAVE AN ANSWER? YES. OKAY.

HI, I'M DONNA MADLENER.

I LIVE ON LAUREL OAK IN RIVERTON POINTE, AND I'M A PART OF THE FOCUS GROUP OF RESIDENTS THAT MET WITH ALEC AND HIS, ENTOURAGE. BUT RECENTLY, AS THURSDAY OF LAST WEEK, WE MET WITH STEVE BRUMFIELD.

HE WAS IN TOWN FOR OUR POA MEETING AND HE MADE A.

WE ASKED TO SEE HIM AND HE DID MEET WITH US.

I THINK THERE WERE SEVEN OF US, 5 OR 7 OF US THERE.

AND WE SPECIFICALLY TALKED ONLY ABOUT JUNIPER STREET.

AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT HE SAID.

PARAPHRASE EVERYTHING.

HE SAID. JUNIPER STREET IS GOING TO BE USED ONLY.

ONLY PURPOSE OF JUNIPER STREET IS FOR THE MAINTENANCE SHED.

WE ASKED HIM ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES A WEEK DOES HE ANTICIPATE IT BEING USED? HE SAID, MAYBE ONCE A TRUCK WILL COME DOWN TO THE MAINTENANCE SHED.

AND WE SAID, WELL, WHY CAN'T THEY USE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO ENTRANCES.

WHY CAN'T THE TRUCKS COME THROUGH THE ENTRANCE LIKE THEY DO NOW? AND HE SAID, BECAUSE YOU DON'T REALLY WANT CHEMICALS ON THESE BIG TRUCKS GOING DOWN YOUR STREET, DO

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IT'S THE IT'S THE TYPICAL NOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD SLOGAN.

AND HE SAID, YEAH, THIS HAS BEEN PLANNED FROM DAY ONE.

AND HE SAID THAT THE EASEMENT THE I SPOKE TO THIS THEY REDID THE EASEMENT RECENTLY AND IT'S BEEN FILED IN THE RECORDING OFFICE AND WITH THE CURRENT OWNER OF THIS LAND, AND WE ALL WERE AGAINST JUNIPER STREET.

WE TOLD THEM WE GAVE THEM OPTIONS TO USE DIFFERENT ENTRANCES AND THEY ARE HELL BENT.

EXCUSE MY FRENCH ON SENDING THEIR TRUCKS DOWN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND NONE OF US NOBODY WANTS JUNIPER STREET IN THE IN THE COMMUNITY, THE PEOPLE THAT RUN THE GOLF COURSE NOW, TROON, THEY DON'T WANT JUNIPER STREET BECAUSE THEY RECENTLY HAD, A THEFT AT THE MAINTENANCE SHED.

AND THEY THINK THAT'S HOW.

THE, YOU KNOW, THE THIEVES CAME IN DOWN THAT STREET.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE GOT FROM TOLL.

SO MAYBE YOU ALL CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

BUT WE WE WERE.

WE ASKED AND ASKED AND.

WE THEY KEPT SAYING, NO, THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT.

THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT. WE ASKED ABOUT THE GATE.

THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE A PLAN ON WHAT KIND OF GATE.

THEY DON'T HAVE A PLAN ON HOW THE TRUCKS ARE GOING TO GET IN.

I ASKED THEM, I SAID, THERE'S GOING TO BE NO SIGNAGE OUT THERE.

HOW ARE THE TRUCKS GOING TO KNOW TO GO THROUGH A DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT TO GET INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT? HE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE SAME PEOPLE DRIVE THOSE TRUCKS ALL THE TIME.

AND I SAID, OH, NO TURNOVER OF PERSONNEL, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THE GIST OF IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY.

OKAY. I THINK WE GET IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DONNA, FOR UPDATING IT.

MR. CZYMBOR.

I THINK I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MEETING WITH THE TALL BROTHER PEOPLE BEFORE SECOND READING.

COULD YOU PLEASE ARRANGE THAT? I DON'T THINK, AND, STEVE, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN.

WE CAN DENY A PROJECT BECAUSE WE HAVE A TALL BROTHER PROBLEM, AND.

BUT I THINK, JUST LIKE I ASKED TO MEET THEM ABOUT THEIR PROBLEMS. I'D LIKE TO MEET WITH TALL BROTHERS.

OTHER THAN THAT, I FORGOT TO MENTION EARLIER, WAS OUR TIMING OF WHEN WE BEGIN CONSTRUCTION.

DUE TO, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND EVERYTHING.

WE WERE ORIGINALLY THINKING WE'D BE STARTING THIS PROJECT SOMETIME IN.

IN DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR, BUT, WITH THE CURRENT, TIMING OF PERMIT REVIEWS AND EVERYTHING WE'RE LOOKING AT STARTING IN APRIL OF 2025.

YEAH. IF YOU IF YOU GET A STATE PERMIT BY THE END OF THE YEAR, YOU'RE THEY'RE GOING TO BE A LOT OF OTHER DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO WANT TO KNOW HOW YOU DID IT.

RIGHT. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

EXACTLY. THE OKAY.

SO NEXT I BROUGHT UP ALSO AT THE LAST MEETING, THE ACCESS FOR THIS COMMUNITY IS RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT ONLY.

RIGHT, SIR. NO, THIS THIS ACCESS HERE IS FULL ACCESS.

OKAY. SO THAT.

AND WHICH ONE WAS RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT.

THIS IS A RIGHT IN. RIGHT OUT.

AND THIS IS A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT OKAY.

SO THAT'S A FULL FULL ACCESS IS ONLY AT JUNIPER STREET.

YES, SIR. OKAY.

OKAY, I TALKED ABOUT THE TREE LINE PRESERVED BUFFALO.

AND WE BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE LAST TIME, AND MISS MISS GUZMAN REFERRED TO IT.

WE SUGGESTED AT THE LAST APPLICATION.

AND BECAUSE THESE ARE GOING TO BE RENTERS AND, YOU KNOW, SOME MAY BE NEW TO THE AREA THAT THERE BE SOME SORT OF EDUCATION ABOUT ALLIGATORS AND LAGOONS.

OKAY. HAND IT OUT TO EACH NEW RESIDENT.

AND SHAKING MY HEAD.

YES. YEAH.

SAFETY MEASURES WHEN IT COMES TO OUR PROJECTS, OUR HARPED ON AND THE LEASE AND EXPLAIN TO THEM ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS.

THE STORMWATER PONDS.

IF AN ALLIGATOR DOES MAKE ITS HOME IN THERE, THERE WOULD BE SIGNS UP IS WE'D BE WHEN NOT IF IT'S A MATTER OF WHEN WE'D BE IN TROUBLE FOR THAT.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF, WHICH WE TAKE THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS VERY SERIOUSLY.

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I'VE. ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN, ALL OF US.

I THINK EVERYBODY WHO LIVES AROUND HERE, LAGOONS ARE PART OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM, AND AN ALLIGATOR SHOWS UP PRETTY FAST.

SO THAT EDUCATION PROCESS IS IS IMPORTANT.

AND AS MRS GUZMAN SAID, IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS THAT HAS HAS CHILDREN.

SO OKAY, I THINK THAT'S ALL MY LIST IS DONE.

SO YES, ONE THING WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, THE AFFORDABLE UNITS, THAT'S OH YEAH, I'M SORRY.

WE'RE HAPPY TO DISCUSS WITH FURTHER AND THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE DONE ON MULTIPLE PROJECTS BEFORE.

SO. HAPPY TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION AND WORK SOMETHING OUT.

WE'RE WORKING ON A TEMPLATE WHERE I THINK WE'RE ALL PRETTY EXCITED THAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK EVERY DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND HELP US WITH THE AFFORDABLE PROJECT, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO CITY, COUNTY, AND SCHOOL DISTRICT EMPLOYEES.

SO, WE WE DON'T HAVE THE TEMPLATE FINISHED.

WE'RE WORKING ON IT, AND WE'RE ALL PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

WE'LL BRING IT TO YOU. AND WE JUST WANT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ASKING EVERYBODY TO AT LEAST BE OPEN AND HAVE A WILLINGNESS TO BE A PART OF WHAT COULD BE A GROUNDBREAKING INITIATIVE, SIR.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

A COUPLE MORE ITEMS THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT.

WE HAD, FOUR STORY BUILDINGS.

PRETTY CLOSE TO THE GOLF COURSE, SO WE CHANGED THE LAYOUT.

SO LET ME GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS LAYOUT SO YOU CAN SEE IT.

YEAH I CAN'T SEE THAT FAR.

SO THIS WAS A THIS WAS OUR ORIGINAL.

THIS WAS OUR ORIGINAL LAYOUT.

YEAH. SO I THINK ORIGINALLY WE HAD A THREE STORY ON THE LEFT SIDE.

CORRECT OR RIGHT THERE AND THEN RIGHT THERE.

SO TO GET, NO, FOUR STORIES NEAR THE GOLF COURSE HOLE, WE SWITCHED TO YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

SO. SIX, SEVEN, SEVEN IS THREE STORY NOW AND THEN THAT SIX.

I THINK IT'S SIX.

THAT'S THREE STORY. SO I.

WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T SEE ANY SIGN OF, AN APARTMENT BUILDING FROM THE GOLF COURSE.

AND AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH THE RESIDENTS ON ON THAT SOLUTION.

ANYTHING ELSE? THE.

I DID WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE WITH THAT STARTING IN.

APRIL OF 25.

SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.

WE WOULDN'T BE MOVING RESIDENTS IN FOR AT LEAST 16 MONTHS AFTER THAT, AND THEN THE PROJECT WOULDN'T BE COMPLETE FOR 28 MONTHS FROM THAT START.

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A GOOD DEAL IN THE FUTURE.

AND I THINK HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH JUNIPER STREET, WITH TOLL BROTHERS, WITH THE CITY AND RIVERTON POINT RESIDENTS CAN.

SO ANYTHING YOU'LL NEED FROM US ON THAT.

WILL. WE'LL KEEP WORKING.

AND IT'S A GOOD POINT.

AND, FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE PUBLIC, WE'VE APPROVED WE THE COUNCIL APPROVED A NUMBER OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

THEY HAVEN'T EVEN MOVED ANYTHING YET.

AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT TAKES THAT LONG TO TO GO AND EVEN RIGHT NEAR YOU, THE COTTAGES, I MEAN, THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOREVER.

AND, YOU KNOW, BEING RENTALS, YOU HAVE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU START RENTING, RIGHT? SO, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING AT LEAST THREE, FOUR YEARS BEFORE THE DOORS ARE OPEN, RIGHT? I MEAN, LET ME NOT CONGEST HOW MANY YEARS BEFORE SOMEBODY'S LIVING THERE? BEFORE SOMEONE'S LIVING THERE WOULD BE.

TWO AND A HALF YEARS. THE ALMOST TWO AND A HALF YEARS OKAY.

SO IT'LL BE KIND OF PHASED.

SO WE'LL OPEN UP THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PROJECT FIRST SO RESIDENTS WILL MOVE IN THERE.

WE'LL FINISH CONSTRUCTION ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND THEN THAT'LL BE OPENED UP.

A BIT OF ALL DONE AS ONE PROJECT.

IT'S JUST PHASE BY BUILDING.

NOW DO YOU DO YOU RENT AS THOSE PHASES ARE COMPLETED? YES, SIR. OKAY, SO YOU DON'T DO THE WHOLE 300 AND THEN START RENTING.

OKAY. WE'LL DO ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND EVERYTHING.

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WE WOULD DO ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND WATER FOR ALL THAT.

IT WAS ONE TIME CONTINUOUS IT CONTINUALLY THROUGH.

BUT THEN AS FAR AS CLOSE OUT OF WE WOULD BASICALLY CLOSE OUT EACH BUILDING AND TRY AND LEASE THOSE BUILDINGS UP AT A TIME.

SO YEAH, YOU HAVE TO GET THE CO FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING.

SO YOU HAVE TO CLOSE OUT THE ENTIRE THE ENTIRE BUILDING BEFORE YOU CAN OPEN IT UP FOR RENT.

YES, SIR. OKAY.

NOW, ONE OTHER POINT, REMINDED ME THAT DID COME UP, GIVEN THAT SCHEDULE.

AND THIS WAS A CONCERN OF MANY IN THIS ROOM, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES TO START? AND KEEPING IN MIND, TIMBERING COMES FIRST, RIGHT.

SO WHEN DO YOU EXPECT CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES TO START COMING DOWN EAST ARJUN PARKWAY TO ARJUN BOULEVARD? SO IF WE HAVE PERMITS APRIL OF 25, IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT.

ALL THE CAPITAL YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE FOR THE PROJECT READY TO GO.

SO IT'S USUALLY 30 TO 45 DAYS AFTER WE GET PERMITS.

SO WE'D REALLY BE STARTING MIDDLE OF MAY.

SO MAY OF.

AND IS THAT WHEN YOU START TIMBERING, IS THAT WHEN THE TIMBER TRUCKS START COMING DOWN THE ROAD? YES, SIR. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, JUST SO EVERYBODY'S CLEAR ON THE TIMETABLE.

THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

YES, SIR. ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK THAT'S IT.

I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S INPUT, INCLUDING ALL THE RESIDENTS AT RIVERTON POINT.

I THINK, WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY AS SOON AS YOU SIT DOWN.

THEY'LL BE OLD FRIENDS.

YEAH. YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, WE OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC EYE.

I'M GOING TO READ ONE OF THE LETTERS THAT I DID GET, AT LEAST THE POINTS THAT SHE ASKED QUESTIONS.

AND THIS IS THIS IS FROM DEBBIE DUNCAN.

IS DEBBIE HERE? YES.

HI, DEBBIE. HI.

IF I MISS ANYTHING IN THIS, YOU CAN COME UP AND ASK ME TO READ SOME MORE.

BUT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE BUFFERS.

SO THE QUESTIONS WERE.

I JUST READ THAT BLUFFTON DENIED A LARGE DEVELOPMENT AND BOUGHT THE LAND.

DOES HARDEEVILLE HAVE A FUND FOR PRESERVING LAND? IS THIS AN OPTION THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER? BUT I DID RESPOND TO HER AND I'LL ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE CITY MANAGER.

THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE A FUND FOR PRESERVING LAND.

THE CITY DOES HAVE A FUND, WHICH WE LABEL.

IT'S AN UNRESTRICTED LAND ACQUISITION FUND.

AND WHAT WE DID SEVERAL YEARS AGO AS WE STARTED SELLING PROPERTY IN THE HARDEEVILLE COMMERCE PARK, WHICH WAS ALMOST ENTIRELY, YOU KNOW, COST FREE BECAUSE IT WAS DONATED LAND.

THOSE PROCEEDS, WE STARTED PUTTING IN THIS LAND ACQUISITION FUND SO THAT WE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF STRATEGICALLY IMPORTANT PARCELS.

DOESN'T MEAN THEY WOULD BE ACQUIRED FOR PRESERVATION.

THEY MEAN IT MAY MEAN WE BOUGHT SOME LAND WITH THAT MONEY ON, ON DOWN ON MAIN STREET THAT WE USE FOR MUNICIPAL USE.

SO THAT FUND CAN GO FOR ANYTHING.

IT COULD GO FOR PRESERVATION.

IT COULD GO FOR OTHER PURPOSES AS WELL.

SO THERE'S NOT A LAND TRUST PER SE.

NO, THERE IS NOT.

AND THE OTHER QUESTION WAS, IS THIS AN OPTION THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER? ACTUALLY, IT, SOMEONE BROUGHT THIS UP, RECENTLY, AS PART OF IMPACT FEES.

IS IT SOMETHING THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER? YEAH, IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

MIKE, DO YOU HAVE ANY ANY FURTHER THING TO ADD TO THAT? THOSE THOSE ANSWERS? NO, I THINK THE COUNCIL HAS THE DISCRETION.

I MEAN, GENERALLY WE TRY TO ADAPTIVE REUSE EITHER FOR PUBLIC PROPERTY OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES.

WE HAVEN'T REALLY BOUGHT ANY PROPERTY FOR FOR PRESERVATION.

WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT PROPERTY DONATED TO US THAT WE'VE, WE'VE PRESERVED AND OR SOLD OR TRANSFERRED, BUT WE HAVEN'T PURCHASED, I MEAN, JUST IN MY TENURE.

RIGHT. AND THEN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE LIGHT SITUATION, DEBBIE, THAT YOU, YOU BROUGHT UP HERE.

SO IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD DURING PUBLIC COMMENT AND, AND GO ON ANYTHING FURTHER THAN THAT, PLEASE DO SO WE ARE NOW OPEN TO THE

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AS YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

FOR THE RECORD, IF THERE'S A LOT OF YOU HERE, IF, IF, IF SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING, AND THERE'S TEN OTHERS THAT AGREE WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL JUST ASK IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO AGREE WITH THAT.

AND RATHER THAN EVERYBODY COMING UP AND JUST FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR TIME AND EVERYBODY'S TIME, RATHER THAN REPEAT IT OVER AND OVER. SO PLEASE, IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT OR ASK A QUESTION? ARE YOU DONE, DEBBIE? OH, OKAY.

I'M DONE. I'M DEBBIE DUNCAN, AND I'M ON LAUREL OAK AVENUE, TOO.

AND WE DO APPRECIATE ALEX AND FOR FOR WORKING WITH US.

I STILL WOULD PREFER LARGER BUFFER.

BUT THE QUESTION THAT I HAD IN THAT NOTE WAS ABOUT THE, THE LIGHT AT ARGENT AND.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT YOU CAN, IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, APPROVE ANY MORE BUILDING UNTIL THERE IS A LIGHT.

THEY'RE NOT COMING.

THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU.

HI, I'M SHERRY HOLT.

I LIVE AT 776 LAUREL OAK AVENUE.

I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN DIFFERENT AREAS.

THE DOG PARK.

WILL IT BE ENCLOSED OR WILL IT BE OPEN? YEP. DO YOU WANT ME TO PLEASE.

BUT EVERYBODY PLEASE SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE BECAUSE SO THAT THERE'S A TAPED RECORDING OF OF WHAT'S ASKED AND ANSWERED.

THE DOG PARK HAS A FENCE AROUND IT.

IT'S ENCLOSED. THAT'S FOR LIABILITY REASONS.

SAFETY REASONS.

THERE'S, IT'S NOT JUST A.

OKAY, OKAY.

AND THEN DID THE COUNCIL PASS THE WORKING HOURS FROM ONE OF THE MEETINGS THAT I WAS, I ATTENDED? YES, WE DID PASS THAT.

WHEN DID WHEN DID WE DO THE FINAL READING ON THAT? IT WAS WAS IT THE DECEMBER MEETING? BUT IT IS, IT HAS BEEN ADOPTED.

IT HAS BEEN ADOPTED, YES.

WHAT ARE THOSE HOURS? JUST WAS IT 7 TO 7 077, 7 TO 7.

OKAY. AND THANKS, PRINA, BECAUSE I FORGOT THIS IS THIS IS FOR KATIE.

CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC? YOU YOU HAD SAID WITH THE, THE THE FENCING THAT I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TERMINOLOGY, BUT THE PDE AND THAT PARTS OF RIVERTON POINTE ARE ON THE EDGE OF THAT PDE.

IS, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT TOLL BROTHERS SHOULD BE DOING BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE EDGE? I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS BRIEF BECAUSE IT'S NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS APPLICATION, BUT THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS THAT GO IN THERE, SUCH AS WETLANDS AND WHATNOT.

SO IT WOULD BE SPECIFIC ON CERTAIN PHASES THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT CODE REQUIREMENT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. SO.

HI AGAIN. MY NAME IS DONNA MADLENER.

I LIVE AT 385 LAUREL OAK.

AND I WAS PART OF THE FOCUS GROUP.

I WANT TO FIRST THANK ALEC AND ALL THE DEVELOPMENT GROUP BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY IT'S BEEN A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR US.

WE'VE ALL GOTTEN ALONG AND I RESPECT HIM PROFESSIONALLY AND PERSONALLY.

SO THANK YOU, ALEC.

THAT BEING SAID.

WE. KNOW IT'S A IT'S A BEEN A GOOD THING FOR ALL OF US.

THAT BEING SAID, THE AREA WHERE THERE ARE 20 AND 30 FOOT BUFFERS, WE STILL WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE BIGGER.

THE 80 FOOT ONE HERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS GREAT.

30 FOOT, YOU KNOW.

OKAY, MAYBE, BUT 20FT IS YOU GOT TO REMEMBER THAT WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.

AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE SEVENTH HOLE ARE VERY HAPPY ABOUT THE 80 FOOT, BECAUSE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SEVENTH HOLE.

BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO LIVE DOWN HERE, OR THEY'RE BUILDING HOUSES DOWN HERE, ARE STILL GOING TO BE LOOKING AT TWO, FOUR STORY BUILDINGS.

I HAD REQUESTED THAT THEY PUT THOSE BUILDINGS INSIDE, INSIDE THAT STREET AND PULL THE STREET

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BUT THEY SAID THEY COULDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THEY WOULD LOSE PARKING SPACES.

I'M STILL VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING ANY FOUR STORY BUILDINGS, ON THAT PROPERTY LINE.

AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FENCE REAL QUICKLY.

WE WE DID ASK FOR A FENCE ALONG HERE, AND THEY SAID NO.

AND THEN, I THINK IT WAS.

ALEC HAD COMMENTED WHEN HE WALKED.

THE LAND LAST WEEK WITH ONE OF THE RESIDENTS, DOUG THOMPSON, THAT MAYBE THEY COULD WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH TOLL, WHERE THEY WOULD SPLIT THE COST OF A FENCE FROM THE 80 FOOT BUFFER ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE WETLANDS WHERE THERE'S 20FT, BECAUSE THAT AREA, THE BUFFER IS VERY NARROW THERE.

AND WE SINCE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET OUR 100 FOOT BUFFER THAT THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE RESIDENTS WANTED, I PLEAD THAT THE FENCE YOU PUT A FENCE THERE.

SO THERE'S I MEAN, 20FT IS LIKE NOTHING 20FT, YOU KNOW.

SO, ONCE AGAIN, I WANT TO REITERATE THE FENCING.

AND LET'S SEE.

OH, AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE TO SAY IS.

WE WERE NOT AWARE.

I WASN'T AWARE ABOUT THIS, JUNIPER STREET NEEDING SPECIAL.

THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT, LIKE, ORDINANCE OR SPECIAL PERMITTING.

OR ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE ARE WE GOING TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT THAT? IS THAT COMING TO CITY COUNCIL? CAN WE COME AND SPEAK TO THAT? I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS JUNIPER ROAD PERMITTING THING.

YEAH. THE JUNIPER ROAD WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL RIVERTON POINT PROJECT, SO IT HAS ALREADY BEEN THROUGH MANY YEARS AGO. CITY COUNCIL AND THEY ARE REQUIRED FOR MUCH LIKE A PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY BUILD NEW HOUSES OR A NEW SECTION OF A GOLF COURSE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THE CLUBHOUSE THAT'S COMING ONLINE, THAT KIND OF THING.

THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT PROCESS THROUGH OUR STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE, AND THAT'S WHERE ALL THE TECHNICAL, DETAILS ARE LOOKED AT FOR ENGINEERING.

SO ANY NEW ROADWAY, IT DOESN'T.

NO, NO, IT DOES NOT.

OKAY. SO WAIT A MINUTE, PLEASE.

CAN YOU STAY HERE FOR A SECOND? SO TOLL BROTHERS TOLD US WHEN WE MET WITH THEM LAST WEEK THAT JUNIPER ROAD HAS ACTUALLY BEEN MOVED.

IT USED TO BE NORTH OF THE MAINTENANCE SHED, AND HE SAID THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVED MOVING IT SOUTH OF THE MAINTENANCE SHED.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE OLD MAPS, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE IT USED TO BE UP FURTHER.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S WETLANDS UP THERE NOW OR WHAT.

WHY IT WAS MOVED.

YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? IT WAS DONE PRIOR.

I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR OVER TEN YEARS AND IT WAS DONE PRIOR TO ME WORKING HERE, SO I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT FOR YOU.

I'M NOT. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

OKAY. AND MY LAST COMMENT IS TOLL BROTHERS CAME IN AND CHANGED A LOT OF STUFF SINCE THEY'VE REDEVELOPED RIVERTON POINT AND RENAMED RIVERTON POINT. IT USED TO BE HAMPTON POINT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY CAN'T CHANGE THEIR MINDSET ON JUNIPER STREET, BECAUSE THEY'VE CHANGED A LOT OF STUFF SINCE THEY DID THIS, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYBODY.

OKAY, OKAY. WE'LL TRY TO WE'LL TRY TO GET THAT MEETING WITH THEM.

AND, THIS IS WHY WE NEED THOSE MEASUREMENTS OF THE TREES, BECAUSE GOING BACK TO THE, THE THE MEETING BACK IN NOVEMBER, THE WHOLE REASON WHY A FENCE WASN'T NEEDED WAS BECAUSE IF YOU ADDED THE BUFFER ON YOUR PROPERTY AND YOU ADDED THE BUFFER ON TOLL BROTHERS PROPERTY, NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FORESTRY.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, DONNA, I THINK WE NEEDED SECOND READING.

WE DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE THOSE DIMENSIONS.

I WANT TO AND IT WAS PART OF OUR CONVERSATION.

AND AND WE'LL ALSO TRY TO GET GET WITH TOLL BROTHERS AND AND GET SOME BETTER CLARIFICATION.

FOR? YEAH. FOR THAT ROAD.

AND I THINK I'LL WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS.

SO WE'LL WORK OUT WHICH COUNCIL MEMBER CAN JOIN US.

AND MIKE WILL GET THAT MEETING AS, AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN AND AT LEAST GET YOU SOME, GET YOU SOME ANSWERS THERE AND SEE IF WE CAN GET A BETTER DEAL THAN WE'RE GETTING NOW. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO, MAKE A COMMENT?

[02:00:07]

I LIVE AT FIVE, SEVEN EIGHT LAUREL OAKS, SO I AM RIGHT BEHIND THE SEVENTH HOLE.

AND MY CONCERN IS IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A THEFT AT THE MAINTENANCE SHED.

I DON'T LIVE THAT FAR FROM THE MAINTENANCE SHED.

SO WHAT PROTECTION DO WE HAVE WITHOUT FENCE THERE? THANK YOU. TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, IT'S IT'S THE BUFFER OF THE TREES.

AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THIS PLAN CALLS FOR.

I'M NOT MAKING COMMENT ON IT.

I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

THAT'S THE PLAN.

BY PUTTING A A LENGTHY.

LINE OF TREES.

THAT'S THAT'S THE PROTECTION FROM.

BUT OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, NO, YOU'RE YOU'RE IN A AS THE SHERIFF OF BEAUFORT COUNTY ALWAYS SAYS YOU'RE NOT IN THE YOU'RE IN A GATED COMMUNITY, YOU'RE NOT IN A GUARDED COMMUNITY.

AND, AND SO THERE'S NO PLACE THAT'S EVER 100% SECURE.

WE HAD A THEFT AT MARGARITAVILLE JUST THE OTHER DAY, AND THEY BROKE IN, AND SOMEBODY BROKE IN AND STOLE ALL THE AV EQUIPMENT OUT OF THE THEATER, YOU KNOW? AND THAT'S A GATED COMMUNITY AND WITH GUARDS AND, SO I GUESS THAT'S THE BEST ANSWER I CAN GIVE YOU. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME EXPRESS THAT, THOUGH I KNOW I LISTEN, WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE THINGS.

AND THAT'S WHY THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE FENCE WAS CONSIDERED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AND AND THAT WAS WHY GOING BACK THE CHANGE OF THE, THE BUILDING.

SO TO ALLOW FOR MORE OF A WIDER WOODED AREA.

SO TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY GOING THROUGH ALL THOSE WET TREES AND SNAKES AND STUFF, THAT WOULDN'T BE THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.

SO, MR. MEERSMAN, YOU HAD A QUESTION.

WELL, IT'S JUST A COMMENT THAT WAS PUT IN THERE ABOUT, TOLL.

THEY SAID, WELL, ONLY ONE MAYBE CHEMICAL TRUCK A WEEK COMING DOWN.

JUNIPER IN THERE.

I HAVE A QUESTION IS HOW ARE THEIR EMPLOYEES GETTING TO WORK? THEY COME IN BY HELICOPTER OR JUMPING THE THE TREES.

THAT'S A SERVICE ACCESS.

AND IT WILL BE AN EMPLOYEE SERVICE ACCESS TOO.

AND AGAIN, MY MY CONCERN STILL WILL GO BACK TO THE YOU FOLKS IN RIVERTON IS THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY TO SECURE THAT ENTRANCE AND EXIT DURING BUSINESS HOURS AND NON-BUSINESS HOURS.

YES. THAT THAT WILL BE COME UP WITH A MEETING WITH TOLL.

AND HOPEFULLY KATIE, YOU CAN HAVE.

SOME ANSWERS ON, YOU KNOW, THE COMPLETION OF THE ROAD WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE DONE.

I'M SURE YOU FOLKS WITH YOUR APARTMENTS, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHEN THAT ROAD IS GOING TO BE DONE TO.

THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO BE A KEY COMPONENT WITH YOUR PERMITTING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE HAVE WE HAVE 90% OF THE COMPONENTS WE NEED TO MAKE A, A FULL VOTE ON THIS, BUT THAT 10% THAT WE DON'T HAVE IS VERY IMPORTANT TO EVERYBODY.

SO WE NEED TO GET THAT BEFORE WE CAN HAVE A SECOND VOTE.

AND KATIE, WITH THAT FOLLOW UP ON WHAT MR. MEERSMAN SAID. I'D LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHAT KIND OF CHEMICALS THE TRUCKS ARE COMING THROUGH ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHETHER IT'S THIS OR TOLL BROTHERS OR, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT KIND OF, SECURITY MEASURES ARE BEING TAKEN TO MAKE SURE THERE IS NO CHEMICAL SPILLS IF THERE ARE CHEMICALS COMING THROUGH.

THAT THAT ANSWER REALLY HAS ME CONCERNED.

AND, DONNA, THANKS FOR PULLING THAT OUT OF HIM.

I DO KNOW WHEN WE REVIEWED THE MAINTENANCE PROJECT THAT THERE ARE CHEMICALS THAT ARE NEEDED TO SERVICE THE GOLF COURSE ITSELF, AND THEY WERE REVIEWED BY OUR FIRE MARSHAL.

SO, BUT WE WILL REVISIT THAT CONVERSATION.

BUT THEY DO HAVE SECURITY MEASURES AT THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY FOR THOSE, SINCE IT IS A CONCERN, MAYBE REGARDLESS OF WHAT ROAD THEY TAKE, MAYBE FOR SECOND READING, LET'S HAVE LET'S HAVE SOME SORT OF EDUCATION ON WHAT THAT IS AND HOW BIG ARE THE TRUCKS.

WHAT HOW ARE THEY SECURED? SO THERE IS NO CHEMICAL SPILLS.

AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK THROUGH ALL THAT.

BEFORE THE SECOND READING, I LIKE I SAID, I DO KNOW WE VISITED THAT WITH STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE AT THE TIME OF THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY CONSTRUCTION.

AND WE'LL IT'S GOT TO BE SIMILAR IN ALL THESE, GOLF COURSE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE IN HARDEEVILLE AND BEAUFORT COUNTY AND ALL OVER.

SO THERE'S I'M SURE THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME LEGAL REQUIREMENTS.

[02:05:02]

THANKS. YEAH.

ALL THOSE. YEAH.

BUT ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO COME FORWARD.

HI, I'M ROBERT COHEN, 1576 AZALEA IN RIVERTON POINTE.

SO I HAVE A LITTLE BROADER CONCERN IS THAT THERE'S OTHER 33 ACRES RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

AND I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS WOULD BE LIKE PHASE ONE, AND PHASE TWO COULD BE ANOTHER 200 UNITS.

AND THE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MET WITH A LOT MORE OPPOSITION THAN THIS ONE.

AND THE YOU KNOW, WHEN I READ THE 120 PAGE, 2008, YOU KNOW, PLAN DEVELOPMENT, DOCUMENT, IT TALKS ABOUT MIXED USE.

IT TALKS ABOUT PARKS, IT TALKS ABOUT MUNICIPAL BENEFIT FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS.

AND I'M NOT SEEING A LOT OF THE MIXED USE, ESPECIALLY IF, AS YOU SAID, THAT IN IN A PRIOR MEETING THAT IN 2008 WE SORT OF GAVE THE SHIP AWAY AND WE SORT OF THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO TO SAY NO.

BUT IF EVERY PROJECT IS JUST ANOTHER 300 UNITS, 500 UNITS OF APARTMENTS, THEN I DON'T SEE WHERE THE MIXED USE IS.

SO THAT'S JUST LIKE A BROADER SITUATION WHERE THERE'S STILL LAND ADJACENT TO US THAT SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO US.

I THINK I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE SOME DOCTOR'S OFFICE OR DENTIST OFFICE OR PROFESSIONAL OFFICES OR SOME, YOU KNOW, MIXED USE, NOT JUST ALL IN ONE PLACE IN ORIGIN.

SO THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, A CONCERN I HAVE.

BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS JUST PHASE ONE, AND PHASE TWO IS COMING THAT WE'RE GOING TO LIKE BE SURPRISED ABOUT.

SO. THAT'S MY CONCERN.

THERE ARE IN IN EAST ARGENT THE 7500 ACRES.

THERE'S A DENSITY ALLOWED DENSITY OF 9500 HOMES.

AND THAT INCLUDES, 1100, IN RIVERTON POINTE.

IT INCLUDES SUN CITY.

IT INCLUDES EVERYBODY THAT GOES IN THERE.

AS OF, THE LAST REPORT I SAW LAST WEEK, I THINK WE HAVE 4600 OF THOSE MASTER PLANS.

AND, OF COURSE, WHAT IF THIS GETS PASSED THAT WILL ADD TO THAT.

SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THERE'S, THERE'S ANOTHER 5000 COMING SOMEWHERE AND IT WILL COME WHEREVER THERE'S AVAILABLE LAND.

AS FAR AS THE MIXED USE, THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN A FEW PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT RESIDENTIAL.

WE HAVE A NEW CHARTER SCHOOL IN THAT 7500 THAT WAS APPROVED A FEW MONTHS AGO.

PUBLIX HAS PURCHASED OWNS LAND ON THE CORNER OF 170 AND THE NEW EAST ARGENT PARKWAY.

THEY HAVEN'T SUBMITTED ANY PLANS, BUT THEY OWN THE PROPERTY THERE.

SO PARKER'S IS ADJACENT TO THERE.

WE ALREADY APPROVED THAT, A YEAR AGO.

SO THERE ARE SOME AND THE MANSIONS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE APPROVED, THAT'S AN INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY.

AND THAT COUNTS AS AS COMMERCIAL.

IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL.

INDEPENDENT LIVING COUNTS AS COMMERCIAL.

SO THERE ARE SOME MIXED USES AND AND THERE'S HOPE FOR MORE.

IT'S PUT IN THERE.

WHEN WE APPROVED THIS IN 2017, THERE WAS A TOTAL ALLOWED OF ONE POINT 5,000,000FT² OF COMMERCIAL.

THERE'S ALSO ON THE OTHER END, AS YOU KNOW, THAT THERE WERE DONATED 25 ACRES TO THE YMCA.

WE APPROVED THAT MASTER PLAN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, AND THEY'RE STILL IN CAPITAL FUNDING, BUT THAT'S GOING TO MOVE ALONG AND THAT'S GOING TO BE AN AQUATIC CENTER.

AND ALSO, 30 ACRES WERE DONATED TO OSPREY VILLAGE.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S UP MORE ON THE 170 SIDE.

SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MIXED USE, AND ALSO IN THAT ALL THE 4600 THAT WE DID APPROVE, SOME ARE MULTIFAMILY, SOME ARE SINGLE FAMILY. SO AGAIN THAT'S THAT MIXED ELEMENT THAT THE TOTAL PD CALLS FOR.

SO I HOPE THAT CLARIFIES YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT.

IN IN VERY BRIEF IN BROAD TERMS, BUT THE THE ANSWER IS YES.

THERE'S 5000 MORE HOMES THAT HAVE YET TO BE MASTER PLANNED.

IN IN THAT 9500, SOME MAY BE NEAR HERE, SOME MAY BE ALL THE WAY OUT BY 170.

THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF LAND THAT'S UNSPOKEN FOR YET IN THE DISTRICT.

ANYONE ELSE.

OKAY. THAT BRINGS US THEN TO, THE MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES? THIS IS FIRST READING, OF ORDINANCE 2023 DASH 1116 B.

[02:10:10]

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

MADAM CLERK, COULD YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL? YES. COUNCIL.

COUNCIL MEMBER MEERSMAN.

HOW DO YOU VOTE? YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER GUZMAN.

HOW DO YOU VOTE? YES.

MAYOR PRO TEM WHITE? YES. MAYOR WILLIAMS. YES. OKAY, SO SECOND READING IS GOING TO BE IN TWO WEEKS.

I THINK THAT'S FEBRUARY 1ST.

AS PROMISED, WE WILL TRY TO GET A MEETING WITH THE TOLL BROTHERS, AND AND EXPRESS AND THE FIRMEST TERMS OF OUR CONCERNS ABOUT JUNIPER STREET.

YOU WILL ALSO GET THE DIMENSIONS OF OF THE TREE LINES AND EVERY PORTION.

AND, WE'LL TALK TO YOUR QUESTION.

I'LL MAKE PART OF THE AGENDA WITH TOLL, THE SECURITY MEASURES AND THE.

I FORGET YOUR NAME.

I'M SORRY, MISS, OKAY.

I'LL. I'LL TRY TO BRING THAT UP AS WELL.

OKAY. WE'LL SEE WHAT WE'LL BRAINSTORM.

SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH FURTHER.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

NEXT WE HAVE THE NEXT ORDER OF NEW BUSINESS IS FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, TO AMEND THE ZONING FOR PARCEL

[B. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO AMEND THE ZONING FOR PARCEL 030-00-02-008 AND FOR PARCEL 030-00-02-032 CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY +/- 35.79 ACRES COMBINED FROM MIXED USE DISTRICT TO LIMITED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE (2024-118B)]

IT'S 35.79 ACRES COMBINED FROM MIXED USE DISTRICT TO LIMITED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, AND AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE.

2020 4-1- 18 BE.

REAL QUICK. ANYBODY? WE'LL WAIT TO THE, YES.

SIR, I'D LIKE TO PRESENT ITEMS B AND C TOGETHER.

OKAY. YEAH, I WAS GOING TO.

SO THERE'S TWO THERE'S TWO ORDINANCES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.

CORRECT. IT'S GOING TO BE IN ONE SPOT.

THANK YOU MAYOR. GOOD EVENING.

ALL RIGHT. SO THIS SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW AS THE FORMER TETRA PROPERTY.

YEAH. THE PROPOSAL IS FOR ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS, REZONING OF THESE THREE PARCELS.

THEY ARE LOCATED NEAR EXIT FIVE ADJACENT TO THE HARDEEVILLE COMMERCE PARK, A TOTAL OF 38.17 ACRES.

THEY'RE REQUESTING REZONING OF THE PROPERTY TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING TO INCORPORATE THE PROPERTY INTO THE OVERALL GATEWAY COMMERCE PARK DEVELOPMENT.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT ZONING HERE IS A COMBINATION OF MIXED USE AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL, BUT EVERYTHING AROUND IT IS LIMITED INDUSTRIAL OR RIVER PORT PD ZONING.

SO WHICH IS ALSO MAINLY INDUSTRIAL USES.

AND HERE'S THE PROP.

THE THREE PROPERTIES ARE RIGHT HERE.

AND THEY KIND OF SHOW HOW THE EXTENSION OF PROSPER PARKWAY COULD EVENTUALLY, HEAD TOWARDS EXIT THREE WITH AS IF WE CAN CONTINUE THE COMMERCE PARK USES THERE.

PRIMARILY WOODED, VACANT AND UNDEVELOPED.

IT'S PAST THE EXISTING PROSPER PARKWAY.

AGAIN, THE LAND USE.

THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE LAND USE ELEMENT, OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THIS DOES IT DOES IDENTIFY PORTIONS OF LAND FRONTING INTERSTATE I-95 BETWEEN EXIT FIVE AND THE FUTURE EXIT THREE AS LOCATIONS FOR FUTURE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOGNIZES THE NEED TO RECRUIT COMPETITIVE, COMMERCIAL AND EMPLOYMENT VENUES TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES TO BALANCE AND ENHANCE LOCAL ECONOMIC STRENGTHS.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THESE REZONINGS.

AND THEY ARE BEFORE YOU FOR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL.

AND AT THIS TIME I WILL INTRODUCE KEVIN FERRUGGIO, WHO IS HERE ON BEHALF OF THIS APPLICATION.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

HI, KEVIN. HAPPY NEW YEAR.

SAME TO YOU. ROI REAL ESTATE.

WE'RE DEVELOPMENT MANAGERS FOR THE PROJECT.

JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT THIS IS THIS PROPERTY THAT WAS BEFORE YOU IS SANDWICHED BETWEEN TWO PARCELS THAT OUR CLIENT OWNS, AND THEY'RE

[02:15:09]

AS KATIE MENTIONED, THE FIRST PHASE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

AND IT'S IN THIS VICINITY.

HERE THERE'S TWO BUILDINGS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

ONE IS 330,000FT² AND ONE IS 118,000FT².

AND THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN RIGHT NOW IS HERE.

SO THIS KIND OF FILLS IN THAT VOID.

AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS THAT SO THAT IT COULD BE A COHESIVE PROJECT, NOT ONLY WITH THE COMMERCE PARK, BUT WITH THIS, I MEAN, THE HARDEEVILLE COMMERCE PARK, BUT WITH WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO.

AND THE GOAL IS FOR THIS TO BE THE SECOND PHASE FOR THIS WHOLE ACTIVITY.

SO THIS IS PHASE ONE.

WE HOPE THAT WE CAN PROCEED WITH PHASE TWO IMMEDIATELY.

AND AS KATIE SAID, THERE'S BEEN PROVISION MADE FOR THE EXTENSION OF PROSPER PARKWAY.

THERE'S ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH NOT ONLY THE CITY, BUT THE THE OWNERS OF THE FOLKS THAT, HAVE THE PROPERTY AROUND EXIT THREE SO THAT THIS COULD BECOME A FUTURE FRONTAGE ROAD TO EXIT THREE.

SO SUFFICIENT RIGHT OF WAY HAS BEEN KIND OF, I THINK, PUT ASIDE.

I THINK IT'S 100FT RIGHT NOW.

AND THAT'S KIND OF THE PLAN TO CONTINUE THAT.

THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, OF, JUST A DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL.

THIS AREA HERE IS ALSO PART OF ONE.

THE IDEA IS THAT WE HOPE TO COMBINE ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES SO THAT IT'S ONE CONTINUOUS PARCEL OR, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE PHASED.

BUT WE JUST WANTED THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE BEEN SLOWLY KIND OF CREATING THIS, THIS COHESIVE PLAN.

WE'VE IF YOU RECALL, WE PURCHASED OR OUR CLIENT HAS PURCHASED SOME PARCELS IN THE GATEWAY OR IN THE HARDEEVILLE COMMERCE PARK AND HAS ADDED TO IT.

IT'S MADE FOR A BETTER PROJECT.

AND ANYHOW, IT'S JUST WORTH NOTING THERE'S ALSO SOME WETLANDS THAT ARE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THESE PARCELS, MOSTLY ON PARCEL THREE, THAT HAVE BEEN PLANNED AROUND IT THAT COULD BE PLANNED AROUND, BUT VERY TYPICAL OF THE LOW COUNTRY.

BUT THERE'S SOME, SOME GOOD DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL ALONG THE I 95 FRONTAGE.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF ENVISION, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE BUILDINGS KIND OF THE SAME DESIGN CONTINUING DOWN I 95 FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME DISTANCE.

AND THEN THERE'S SOME WETLANDS IN THIS AREA AS WELL.

BUT THERE'S DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL HERE.

THERE'S DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL ALL IN HERE AND IN THIS AREA.

THIS IS SOME OF THE HIGHER AREA LAND IN THIS AREA.

OKAY. AND MIKE, MAYBE EXPLAIN THE COUNCIL.

IT'S OFF THE MAP, BUT THE WHOLE THE IDEA KEVIN REFERRED TO IS TO HAVE AN ACCESS ROAD, FROM THE HARDEEVILLE COMMERCE PARK IN HERE, AND IT WOULD RUN ALONG TO THE NEW PARKWAY THAT'S GOING FROM 17 TO THE NEW EXIT THREE.

SO BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE ALL IN THAT AREA THAT WOULD KEEP ALL THOSE, ALL THAT TRAFFIC OFF OF HIGHWAY 17, AND THEY COULD GO RIGHT DOWN THERE, RIGHT ON EXIT THREE, AND ALL THE TRAFFIC HEADED SOUTH.

SO THAT'S A THAT'S NOT FINALIZED.

WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.

BUT, YES, SIR.

WE HAD A MEETING LAST WEEK ON IT AND.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

SO WE'VE BEEN PLANNING IT FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, HAD MEETINGS WITH ROI AND, STRATFORD AND AND GRAMBLING.

AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE PLAN CONNECTING TO RIVERPORT PARKWAY NORTH AT EXIT THREE.

YES, SIR. GREAT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, LET'S START WITH MR. WHITE. YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? JUST A REACTION, KEVIN.

AND IT IS.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE SOME STRATEGIC THINKING WITH ALL THIS AS OPPOSED TO ONCE THESE TUESDAYS.

AND SO I APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT.

IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

THANK YOU. MRS GUZMAN.

I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

MR. MEERSMAN.

I LOVE IT WHEN A PLAN COMES TOGETHER.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I THINK THE COHESIVENESS OF THE OF THE TOTAL PROJECT MAKES SENSE, AND IT'S A GREAT USE FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

THAT'S IT. WELL, I'M QUITE FAMILIAR WITH IT.

AND, JUST AS A SIDE NOTE TO THE COUNCIL A LONG TIME AGO, WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, ONE OF THE THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME WANTED TO MAKE THAT WHOLE AREA A SPORTS TOURISM SOCCER FIELD KIND OF THING.

[02:20:07]

IT WAS JUST SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA.

BUT WE ENDED UP DEVELOPING THE HARDEEVILLE COMMERCE PARK, AND THAT'S BEEN A BOON FOR, FOR US.

BUT TETRA WAS GOING TO BE PART OF THAT AT THE TIME WE WERE TALKING TO HIM ABOUT IT.

SO, THIS IS, I BELIEVE, A MUCH BETTER LAND USE THAN.

AND, IT'S COMING TOGETHER NICELY, SO I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT OR ASK A QUESTION REGARDING THIS ORDINANCE? ALL RIGHT. NOTHING ONLINE.

SO IN THAT CASE, I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.

THIS IS FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE 2020 4-1, DASH 18 B I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

ORDINANCE 2020 4-1, DASH 18 B.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. OKAY.

NOW THIS IS RELATED TO THE LAST ONE.

[PUBLIC HEARING]

THIS IS ORDINANCE 2024, DASH ONE, DASH 18.

SEE, MIKE, DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER EXPLANATION ON THAT?

[C. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA TO AMEND THE ZONING FOR PARCEL 030-00-02-033 CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY +/- 2.38 ACRES FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO LIMITED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE (2024-1-18C) PUBLIC HEARING]

MR. MEERSMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? MRS GUZMAN. NO, SIR.

MR. WHITE, NO MORE QUESTIONS.

AND I DON'T EITHER.

SO, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OR MAKE A COMMENT? NOBODY ONLINE.

SO THEN I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO.

THIS IS FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE 2020 4-1, DASH 18.

SEE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

ORDINANCE 2020 4-1- 18.

SEE, WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC SEEING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE I, I OKAY.

SECOND READING. THESE ARE ALL SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY 1ST RIGHT MIKE.

YES. NEXT WE HAVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE RELATING TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND OPERATION OF THE EAST ARGENT MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.

[D. A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, RELATING TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND OPERATION OF THE EAST ARGENT MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, SOUTH CAROLINA APPROVING AN ASSESSMENT ALLOCATION REPORT FOR PARCEL 066 00 00 022; AND OTHER MATTERS RELATING THERETO. (2024-1-18D) PUBLIC COMMENT]

AND THIS IS, RESOLUTION 2020 4-1, DASH 18 D MIKE, MISS MAINES IS GOING TO HANDLE THIS, MR. MAYOR. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, COUNCIL AND, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, IF YOU RECALL, THE EAST ARGENT MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT WAS CREATED BACK IN 2021.

IT'S A REVENUE BOND OF APPROXIMATELY $11 MILLION FOR EVERY YEAR ANNUALLY.

THE CITY DOES AN ASSESSMENT ALLOCATION TO EACH OF THE PARCELS.

AND YOU GO THROUGH THAT EXERCISE GENERALLY IN AUGUST OF EACH YEAR, AND YOU ASSIGN THE ASSESSMENT FOR THE YEAR TO THE PARCELS, AND THEN THE COUNTY BILLS THOSE PARCELS AND COLLECTS THOSE REVENUES FOR YOU.

THIS ASSESSMENT WAS CREATED OR THIS ALLOCATION REPORT WAS CREATED AT THE REQUEST OF THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

THEY WANT TO PAY OFF THE THE ALLOCATION THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS THIS ONE PARCEL.

SO THAT'S BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE, APPROVAL OF THAT ALLOCATION.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY THIS IS COMING TO YOU, NOT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

AND IT'S FOR ONE SPECIFIC PARCEL.

OVERALL IT.

IT HELPS IF THEY GO AHEAD AND PAY THAT OFF, BECAUSE THEN IT JUST REDUCES THE TOTAL AMOUNT.

AND GETS THAT ALL PAID OFF A LITTLE QUICKER.

OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. WHITE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. MRS GUZMAN? NO, SIR. MR. MEERSMAN, IS IT? THERE'S NO DOWNSIDE TO US APPROVING THIS, THEN? NO, THIS IS GREAT.

THEN NO QUESTIONS.

THIS IS HOUSEKEEPING.

SO AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? ANYBODY? OKAY.

[02:25:01]

THIS IS RESOLUTION 2024.

DASH ONE DASH 18 D.

MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE RESOLUTION.

2024. DASH ONE DASH 18 DE.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I WILL SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE AYE. NEXT, WE HAVE RECEIPT OF A TAX COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROPRIATE STATE ACCOMMODATION TAX RECEIPTS TO THE SUN CITY HILTON HEAD PICKLEBALL CLUB

[E. RECEIPT OF THE ATAX COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROPRIATE STATE ACCOMMODATIONS TAX RECEIPTS TO THE SUN CITY HILTON HEAD PICKLEBALL CLUB PURSUANT TO SECTION 6-4-10 OF THE SC CODE OF LAWS. NATIONAL ADVERTISING. PRINTING OF PROMOTIONAL ITEMS. TOTAL - $12,950.00. PUBLIC COMMENT.]

AND THIS WILL BE USED FOR NATIONAL ADVERTISING AND PRINTING OF PROMOTIONAL ITEMS FOR THE TOTAL OF $12,950.

MR.. CZYMBOR, PLEASE.

YES, SIR. SO FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, I THINK THE THEY'VE ASKED FOR FUNDING, SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED SEVERAL OF THEIR TOURNAMENTS.

THEY ARE BACK THE EIGHT THEY WAS PRESENTED A COMPLETED APPLICATION TO OUR LOCAL ATTACKS.

THEY'RE RECOMMENDING FUNDING TO THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR $12,950 TO SUPPORT THIS PICKLEBALL EVENT.

MR. MEERSMAN. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

NO QUESTIONS. MR. WHITE, NO QUESTIONS.

I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE EVERY YEAR.

THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT EVENT FOR THE ENTIRE LOW COUNTRY.

WE APPRECIATE IT BEING BROUGHT TO HARDEEVILLE.

AND HARDEEVILLE GETS A LOT OF RECOGNITION.

AND, SO I'M EXCITED THAT WE'RE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPROPRIATE SOME FUNDS AGAIN.

AND MR. BOYLE CAME OUT OF THE SHADOWS.

HE'S A LITTLE LATE TO.

HE'S LATE TO THE PARTY.

YEAH, I HANDLE IT FOR YOU, MR. JOHN. ALL RIGHT.

YEAH. WE'VE COVERED EVERYTHING.

ANYTHING ELSE I CAN HELP WITH, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

YEAH. DID YOU SAY THAT MR. DOUG FINLEY WAS HERE AND HE'S HAVING DINNER RIGHT THERE? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, THE PAST HAS BEEN REUBEN ODOR, BUT I'M TAKING OVER FOR HIM AND THAT.

AND I'M THE TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR THIS YEAR, AND WE JUST APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT WE'VE HAD OVER THE YEARS FROM HARDEEVILLE.

OKAY. SO WOULD ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO, MAKE A COMMENT OR ASK THE QUESTION? CAROLYN CASTLE, 57, FIRETHORNE.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THE PICKLEBALL GROUP HAS BEEN PHENOMENAL IN PREPARING THEIR REPORTS.

WHEN THEY REPORT BACK TO ATTACKS COMMITTEE, THEY HAVE BEEN AMAZING WITH THEIR CHARITY WORK THAT THEY ALSO HAVE BEEN GIVING TO EVERY YEAR SINCE WE STARTED. AND I DEVELOPED A RELATIONSHIP WITH MR. ODOR TO THE JASPER COUNTY COUNCIL ON AGING AS ONE OF THE RECIPIENTS.

AND SO THEY'RE NOT ONLY ASKING FOR MONEY FOR THEIR ADVERTISING, BUT THEY'RE ALSO GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND OTHER CHARITIES AS WELL.

BUT THEY'VE BEEN A GREAT GROUP TO WORK WITH.

SO I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE FOR THE JASPER COUNTY COUNCIL ON AGING AS WELL.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE.

I LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE APPROVAL OF A TAX FUNDS FOR THE SUN CITY PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENT.

MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE FUNDING FOR THE PICKLEBALL GROUP.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. OKAY.

GOOD LUCK.

THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST BY COUNCIL MEMBER MEERSMAN TO AMEND THE HARDEEVILLE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO CHANGE THE

[F. CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST BY COUNCIL MEMBER MEERSMAN TO AMEND THE HARDEEVILLE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO CHANGE THE CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING TIME FROM 5 P.M. TO 4 P.M.]

MISTER CZYMBOR, PLEASE.

YES, SIR. I THINK, COUNCILMAN MEERSMAN BROUGHT IT UP.

SO BASICALLY, IT WOULD REQUIRE DIRECTION TO THE CITY ATTORNEY TO PROPOSE AN ORDINANCE IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHANGING THE TIME OF THE MEETINGS FROM 5 P.M.

TO 4 P.M..

SO IF THAT'S IF THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, WE CAN HAVE THAT PREPARED FOR IF UPCOMING MEETING.

OKAY, LET'S START WITH MR. MEERSMAN. IT SEEMS THE LOGICAL PLACE.

YES. SO, WE ARE SEEING OUR MEETINGS RUNNING LONGER AND LONGER INTO THE EVENING.

EVEN THOUGH THIS IS PART OF OUR JOB.

[02:30:02]

BUT I THINK WITH OUR WONDERFUL MEDIA DEPARTMENT AND THE AVAILABILITY OF THE PUBLIC TO SEE OUR MEETINGS AND NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE NECESSARILY, WE MAY CONSIDER MOVING OUR MEETINGS BACK TO 4:00 ON A VERY TEMPORARY BASIS TO SEE HOW IT'S ACCEPTED BY THE PUBLIC.

IF IT'S DOES NOT WORK, WE MOVE.

WE COULD ALWAYS MOVE BACK TO 5:00.

BUT I DO THINK GIVEN THE LENGTH OF OUR MEETINGS, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE PUSHING FOR MOST OF US HERE NOW, 2.5 HOURS.

AND IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD, BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONSIDER MOVING THINGS BACK.

AND I SAID, IF IT DOESN'T WORK, IT DOESN'T WORK, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH A TRY.

THAT'S IT. MRS GUZMAN.

I HAVE NO QUESTIONS OR ARGUMENT ON THAT, MR. WHITE. I WAS ON THE COUNCIL WHEN WE MOVED IT THE LAST TIME, AND PART OF THE PROBLEM WE WERE HAVING, STEVE, WAS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY COULDN'T GET TO THE MEETING BECAUSE THEY WERE WORKING.

SO WE MOVED IT BACK TO 5:00.

I MIGHT SUGGEST A COMPROMISE THAT MAYBE 430, BUT I THINK YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.

MY CONCERN IS PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GET TO THE MEETING FOR A POINT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THE TIME WORKS FOR THEM AND FOR THE EMPLOYEES.

IF WE DID 430 OR 4, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THEM.

IT'S IT'S, TWICE A MONTH.

IT'S THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO GET THEIR POINT OF VIEW ON PROJECTS THEY'RE WORKING WITH.

SO I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, I'M NOT SURE IT'S A HARDSHIP TO BE HERE FOR THOSE THINGS.

BUT IF IT IS, I, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

BUT I'M SENSITIVE TO YOUR POINT.

I THINK IT'S WELL TAKEN.

THANK YOU. I'M OPEN TO WHATEVER THE COUNCIL WISHES TO DO.

MY ONLY SUGGESTION, I THINK, THAT, MR. MEERSMAN BROUGHT IT UP IS THAT WHATEVER WE DECIDE, THAT WE ATTACH A TIME LIMIT TO IT.

IN OTHER WORDS, DO IT FOR THREE MONTHS AND GET PUBLIC FEEDBACK.

BEFORE WE MAKE THIS PERMANENT, WHATEVER TIME FRAME YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO, TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT INPUT BECAUSE WITH BO SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY MOVED IT FROM 6 TO 5.

AND I DON'T CARE EITHER WAY.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT'S BEST FOR THE PUBLIC.

SO WHATEVER THE COUNCIL DECIDES, JUST LET'S PUT IT AS A TEST FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.

I COULD BE I THINK FOUR 30TH MAY BE A REASONABLE AMOUNT, AND I THINK THREE MONTHS WOULD BE A CHANCE TO TO SEE HOW WELL IT WORKS.

WE ARE SEEING TONIGHT THESE FOLKS SHOWED UP BECAUSE THEY WERE IS VERY ITEM SPECIFIC THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPERS AND OTHERS WHO COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL WITH THEIR REQUESTS.

THEY'RE GOING TO COME HERE WHETHER WE MEET AT TWO IN THE AFTERNOON OR 8:00 AT NIGHT.

SO THAT'S NOT A HARDSHIP ON THEM.

BUT IF WE TRY THIS AND WE SEE WHERE WE'RE GETTING NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC ON THIS, THEN WE CAN GO BACK TO, 5:00.

BUT I THINK I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TRY A 430 START TIME.

WELL, IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL.

WHOEVER WANTS TO MAKE THE MOTION, PUT THOSE ITEMS IN THERE.

AND, IT WAS ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON ON THIS SINCE THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS.

THERE'S NO PERSON FROM THE PUBLIC HERE.

FROM THE PUBLIC. WELL, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP AND TALK.

YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS WE'RE ALWAYS HAPPY TO HEAR FROM YOU.

IF YOU HAVE AN OPINION.

BUT PLEASE COME FORWARD SO WE CAN RECORD YOU.

I THINK I THINK ONE OF THE ROSS CITY.

THIS IS STILL ON? YES.

SO, BREAK THAT BETWEEN THE TWO CONVERSATIONS I'M HEARING.

ONE IS TO BALANCE STAFF AND COUNSEL, AND THE OTHER IS TO BALANCE.

BALANCE THE AVAILABILITY OF PUBLIC TO COME.

SO YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE DOING YOUR EXECUTIVE SESSION FROM.

4 TO 5.

NO, WE WOULD BACK UP.

WE WOULD BACK IT UP.

BACK IT UP. THREE. SO.

YES. SO.

PERHAPS ONE OF THE THINGS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS IF THERE'S.

AN AGENDA THAT, LIKE TONIGHT, HAS LARGE IMPLICATION AS OPPOSED TO MAYBE 2 OR 3 DEVELOPERS COMING IN TO TALK ABOUT HAVING THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADJUST A MEETING.

[02:35:04]

WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE WHEN WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE AGENDA ITEMS THAT MAY NEED A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC TO MOVE THOSE TO THE END OF OUR TO THE BACK END OF OUR AGENDA TO ALLOW THOSE FOLKS TO GET HERE.

I MEAN. WE BALANCE THE AGENDA BASED ON THAT.

I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IF WE STICK WITH THE TIME FOR THREE MONTHS, WE CAN'T CHANGE MONTHLY.

THAT'S NOT THAT.

THAT WOULD NOT BE A IT MAY BE THAT WHENEVER YOU PUT IT INTO PLACE, YOU HAVE SEASONAL UPS AND DOWNS.

WITH PROJECTS THAT COME THROUGH AS WELL AS.

A MONTHLY UPS AND DOWNS.

AND IF THERE ARE SEASONS THAT ARE HEAVY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THOSE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT I WOULD, I WOULD.

ACTUALLY LOOK TO SEE IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY.

MR. MAYOR, PERHAPS WITH WE PUT THIS ON TO AN AGENDA, MOVE IT FOR A MONTH FROM NOW TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER AND GET MORE INPUT FROM THE, PUBLIC OR HOWEVER.

I MEAN, COULD WE DO THAT SOMETHING WITH OUR, WEBSITE THAT WE SAY WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE TIMING OF OUR OF OUR MEETING? I MEAN, IT'S ALL ABOUT SERVICING THE PUBLIC.

IT'S IT'S ALL IN YOUR MOTION, STEVE.

THEN I WILL I WILL WITHDRAW A MOTION AT THIS TIME, SO.

WELL, IT'S ON THE AGENDA.

DO WE HAVE TO TAKE A TABLE VOTE? YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE BECAUSE IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION.

OKAY. IF I CAN MAKE TWO SUGGESTIONS BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEAR, WHAT YOU COULD DO IS MOTION TO MOVE.

LIKE YOU SAID, THE NEXT THREE MONTHS OF REGULAR MEETINGS TO X TIME AS OPPOSED TO CHANGING YOUR ORDINANCE.

RIGHT. SO THOSE CAN BE NOTICED AT THE TIME YOU'RE HAVING THEM.

THE OTHER THING YOU ALL HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, IS YOU'VE DONE A SURVEY TO SEE, LIKE THERE WAS I THINK IT WAS LIKE A SURVEY MONKEY THAT WAS POSTED.

I DON'T THINK THERE WERE THAT MANY RESPONSES TO IT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

SO, WHAT, MRS. MAYNES IS SUGGESTING, AND WE COULD DO NOW, YOU COULD ASK THAT THE NEXT MEETING BE MOVED TO 430 OR 4:00.

SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING, BUT EXCEPT THAT ONE MEETING AND THEN YOU COULD GET SOME REACTION.

AND THE NEXT MEETING MAY BE A GOOD JUDGE BECAUSE IT'S SECOND READING AND OF THE FARMHOUSE.

AND THAT OBVIOUSLY GETS A LOT OF ATTENTION.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE FOR THAT MEETING.

I, I LIKE SO IT'S UP TO YOU.

IT'S UP TO YOU. YOU CAN TABLE IT.

YOU CAN SURVEY MONKEY.

AT THIS TIME, SINCE THIS IS JUST FOR A DISCUSSION ITEM, I WOULD JUST AS SOON LET IT DIE.

AT THIS TIME, I CAN ALWAYS RESUBMIT.

HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON THE SURVEY MONKEY TO SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC FEELS IS IS NECESSARY.

SO THE TAKEAWAY IS, MIKE, MR. MEERSMAN IS ASKING FOR A SURVEY.

WE'LL WORK ON THAT. AND THEN WHEN THAT'S COMPLETE, WE'LL BRING THIS ITEM BACK UP.

OKAY, FINE. THAT'S FINE.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

COUNCIL IS THAT.

YES. KUDOS FOR THE FLEXIBILITY WITH THE WORKSHOPS BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE ACCEPT KUDOS AT ANY TIME. YEAH.

IT'S RARE AS THEY ARE.

YEAH. YOU'RE DOING A GREAT.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE THE MANAGER'S REPORT.

[X. MANAGERS REPORT]

YEAH. TWO QUICK THINGS. AND THEN A QUICK PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT FROM MR. DAVIS. OKAY, SO QUARTERLY MEETINGS, WE DO HAVE QUARTERLY MEETINGS WITH DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ON THE I-95 WIDENING PROJECT.

WE DO HAVE ONE NEXT WEEK.

SO I CAN GIVE THE COUNCIL AN UPDATE ON THE WIDENING SCHEDULE, EXIT FIVE, EIGHT AND THREE.

SO I'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO, I'LL JUST SAY, SURPRISINGLY, DOT HAS BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE FOR THIS PROJECT.

SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO KEEPING WORK WITH THEM AND GET THAT PROJECT STARTED.

PRIOR TO THE FEBRUARY 1ST MEETING, THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT ALL THE NEW VEHICLES.

SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DO TOUCH A TRUCK HERE BEFORE THE FEBRUARY 1ST COUNCIL MEETINGS.

THERE SHOULD BE 3 OR 4 NEW VEHICLES FOR THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO LOOK AT.

AND THEN FINALLY, MR. DAVIS'S PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT.

THIS RELATES TO THE PROPOSED VETERANS PARK AS PART OF THE AS PART OF THE MUNICIPAL HUB PROJECT, THE CITY AND OUR CONSULTANT, WOOD AND PARTNERS, IS HOSTING A MEETING PRIMARILY FOR VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS ON TUESDAY THE 23RD AT 2 P.M.

[02:40:03]

SO THAT IS NEXT TUESDAY, 2 P.M.

AT THE REC CENTER. ALL VETERANS AND OTHER INTERESTED PEOPLE ARE INVITED TO ATTEND.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

I THINK IT'S REVERSE ALPHABETICAL TIME.

[XI. COUNCIL ISSUES AND CONCERNS]

THE, MY COMMENT WOULD BE, THIS WEEK WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR THE CITY, AND WE'VE HAD SOME, EXCELLENT TIME WITH OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS AND GOOD DISCUSSIONS.

AND I THINK WE'VE, GOT A GOOD SENSE OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

WELL, SO I NEXT AND DO WELL AS WELL.

AND, I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY VALUABLE TIME.

AND IT'S IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO, SPEND TIME WITH THE STAFF AND GET TO KNOW THEM A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND GET THEM TO KNOW US A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

AND, SO I THOUGHT IT WAS A VALUABLE TIME.

I THINK, MR. PARSONS DID AN EXCELLENT JOB IN THE CONSULTANT WAS QUITE GOOD AS WELL.

GET MY ALPHABET RIGHT.

MISTER. MISTER.

MISTER. MEERSMAN. GUZMAN.

HE'S NOT HERE. HE'LL BE HERE NEXT WEEK.

DON'T TALK WITH CANDY IN YOUR MOUTH.

THAT'S OKAY. IT'S MY TURN NOW, OKAY, MR. MEERSMAN OKAY. YEAH.

NOT MR. GUZMAN.

OKAY. HE REFUSED TO COMMENT.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S JUST BEEN A YEAR, JUST A YEAR AGO THAT I CAME ON TO THIS COUNCIL.

AND IT'S BEEN A GREAT EXPERIENCE.

IT'S BEEN A GREAT LEARNING EXPERIENCE GETTING TO KNOW THE STAFF, OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.

IT'S BEEN A LEARNING EXPERIENCE, AND I'VE THOROUGHLY ENJOYED IT.

OUR HAVING OUR STAFF RETREAT THE OTHER DAY IS AN EYE OPENER.

IT IT BRINGS US ALL TOGETHER.

SO WE ALL KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING AND THE VEHICLES THAT WE NEED TO GET TO THOSE POINTS.

FROM PARK AND REC TO THE POLICE, FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHO WILL PROBABLY WIN THE SOFTBALL GAME NEXT YEAR.

WE'LL, WHAT? IT'S BEEN IT HAS REALLY BEEN, AN EXPERIENCE.

I'M GLAD TO BE PART OF IT.

I THANK THE STAFF FOR WORKING WITH ME, AND I THANK THE PEOPLE OF HARDEEVILLE FOR PUTTING ME IN THIS POSITION OF WITH THEIR TRUST.

AND THAT'S IT TONIGHT.

MRS. GUZMAN. JUMPING OFF OF WHAT BO AND MR. MEERSMAN SAID, ABOUT THE, THE RETREAT, ON TUESDAY, I THINK, THE MOTIVATION AND WAS WAS TREMENDOUS AFTER ALL THE GOALS AND PRIORITIES WERE IDENTIFIED.

IT JUST STIRRED SOMETHING AMONGST ALL OF US.

AND, AND I THINK WE NEED TO BUILD ON THAT MOMENTUM, AND JUST RUN THAT ENGINE AS FAR AS WE CAN RUN THAT ENGINE.

SO, GOT TO THANK NEIL, FOR PUTTING ON A GREAT, RETREAT FOR US AND, TREMENDOUS PARTICIPATION BY ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND EVERYBODY WHO WAS CONCERNED IN THERE.

SO GREAT. BIG THANKS.

GOES OUT TO STAFF, FOR ALL OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE SO FAR, HELPING ME DO MY JOB THIS PAST YEAR. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WELL, SINCE WE BROUGHT UP THE RETREAT, I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT THE MAYOR'S TEAM WON THE JENGA CONTEST UNDER INVESTIGATION.

THE COUNCILMAN MEERSMAN TEAM WON THE OVERALL EVENT.

WE DID HAVE I.

I'M NOT GOING TO, BELABOR THE POINT, BUT WE DID HAVE A HOUSING COMMITTEE MEETING.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER THIS TEMPLATE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPERS.

I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

I DID, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT MEETING, HAVE COFFEE WITH STEPHAN HOYER OF THE HOYER INVESTMENT GROUP.

TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE CAN ACHIEVE WITH THIS.

SO, I'M REALLY HOPEFUL WE'LL BRING TO THE COUNCIL A REALLY SOLID PLAN THAT, HAS SOME INNOVATIVE FEATURES TO IT.

I HAD THE PLEASURE OF, BEING A JUDGE IN THE COASTAL CAROLINA HOSPITAL EMPLOYEE CHILI COOKOFF,

[02:45:01]

I PUT ON 2 POUNDS AND, THE.

BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO, SUGGEST I MET THE MARKETING PEOPLE THERE AND, A REALLY DYNAMIC GROUP.

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN, VERY IMPRESSED BY THAT, THAT HOSPITAL AND WHAT THEY BRING TO OUR COMMUNITY.

CHIEF, THE WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE A PASTOR'S, BREAKFAST AGAIN.

THEY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD MESSAGE.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC HEALTH.

SO CAN WE PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA? LET'S LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET THE PASTORS AND AND NOT JUST THE PASTORS, BUT SOME OF THE BUSINESS LEADERS AND LET, THE COASTAL CAROLINA TEAM COME IN AND AND DELIVER THEIR MESSAGE.

OKAY. I ALSO THE OTHER DAY MADE A PUBLIC SERVICE FILM WITH, RICK PATEL WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH AND THE PATEL FOUNDATION.

SO THAT WILL BE COMING OUT.

WE DID A LITTLE, TALK SHOW, WITH WHAT HE HAS GOING ON, FOR EVERYONE, IF YOU DIDN'T SIGN UP AND YOU STILL HAVE TIME, THE CONVERSION IS BEING HELD.

AND THAT'S THAT'S RUN BY THE BEAUFORT COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

AND IT JUST GIVES AN OVERVIEW OF OF, WHAT'S HAPPENING BUSINESS WISE IN, IN OUR AREA, INCLUDING, MARTY SAULS WILL BE AS CHAIRMAN OF THE SOUTHERN CAROLINA ALLIANCE WILL BE GIVEN A PRESENTATION AS WELL.

SO I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT IF ANYBODY DIDN'T SIGN UP, GO HOME, GET AND SIGN UP.

AND, IT'S AT IT'S IN SUN CITY AT PINCKNEY HALL.

WE HAD ALSO A MEETING, NEIL AND MR. CZYMBOR AND I WITH THE DON RYAN CENTER GOING OVER SOME OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT THEY HAVE.

AND I PERSONALLY, I BROUGHT THIS FORWARD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

I THINK THE COOPERATION AND COLLABORATION WITH THE DON RYAN CENTER IS REALLY BEEN A PLUS FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY OF HARDEEVILLE. SO, I'M REALLY, REALLY HAPPY WITH THAT ASSOCIATION.

WE HAD A YOUTH COUNCIL MEETING AND WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN THE EIGHT YEARS I'VE BEEN RUNNING THE YOUTH COUNCIL, WHERE THE KIDS ACTUALLY ASKED TO GO TO TWO MEETINGS A MONTH INSTEAD OF ONE.

AND SO NEXT WEDNESDAY, WE ARE GOING TO BE THEY'RE GOING TO BE FILMING A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT.

THEIR THEME THIS YEAR IS, IT'S ALSO DEALS WITH PUBLIC HEALTH, BUT IT'S IT'S ABOUT PERSONAL HYGIENE FOR, MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE FILMING THIS WEDNESDAY.

YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO WATCH THE KIDS IN ACTION.

ONE OF THE KIDS FROM ROYAL LIVE OAKS WROTE A BEAUTIFUL SCRIPT.

SO I'M REALLY PROUD OF THE ENERGY OF THIS GROUP.

AND, LASTLY, I WENT SATURDAY NIGHT.

I WAS INVITED TO A GOING AWAY PARTY FOR MAYOR OF BLUFFTON.

IT WAS A REALLY NICE AFFAIR.

AND SO I WISH HER WELL, BUT I ALSO WANT TO.

WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW MAYORS IN OUR REGION, BEAUFORT, PORT ROYAL.

AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO THEM.

I SPOKE TO THE NEW MAYOR OF BLUFFTON, AND, I WISH THEM ALL WELL.

IT'S GOING TO BE A.

QUITE A CHANGE FOR OUR REGION, SO LET'S HOPE THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL IN THEIR MISSION.

FOR THEIR BENEFIT AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE REGION.

STEVE, ONE LAST THING.

I SENT A NOTE YOU MIGHT WANT TO FOLLOW UP.

I SENT THAT FLIER NOT ONLY TO THE VETERANS ASSOCIATION AT SUN CITY, BUT ALSO TO STEVE TALBOTT, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO'S THE MARGARITAVILLE LEADER THERE.

SO MAYBE YOU WANT TO GET THAT THAT FLIER ABOUT THE 23RD.

THE 23RD? YES.

TO I POSTED ACTUALLY, I POSTED THAT ON OUR OKAY FACEBOOK PAGES TOO.

AND I HAD SENT IT TO STEVE AND ASKED HIM TO FORWARD IT.

BUT I, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK.

AND SO ALL RIGHT, THAT'S ALL I GOT.

WE HAVE ONE LAST MOTION.

DOES ANYONE LIKE TO GO HOME TO DINNER, THEN A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.

[XII. ADJOURNMENT]

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. GOOD NIGHT EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU FOR COMING THIS EVENING.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.