>> [BACKGROUND] A LOT OF WORK.
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>> [INAUDIBLE] GOING OUT THE SOUTH. ANOTHER ONE [INAUDIBLE].
>> [BACKGROUND] WE ONLY HAVE ONE [INAUDIBLE].
>> CAN YOU HEAR US? [BACKGROUND] WE CANNOT HEAR YOU ON.
>> I TEND TO [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING].
>> [INAUDIBLE] LESS THAN INTERESTED.
>> [INAUDIBLE] LINDSEY DISCUSSING [INAUDIBLE] ENTITY IN [INAUDIBLE] TRAFFIC. [NOISE] [BACKGROUND] [OVERLAPPING].
>> I'LL WAIT TILL THIS WEEKEND APPARENTLY.
>> JESUS, TREE CONSTRUCTION [INAUDIBLE] TRAFFIC.
>> THANK YOU. LOOKS LIKE A WALK IN THE SPINE.
GOOD. GUESS WITNESSES. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
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>> LADIES, AS THIS GETS CLOSER [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] [NOISE].
GREAT DAY OF WORK [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE]
>> ALWAYS SEE WHAT HAPPENS. [NOISE] [BACKGROUND] IN THE WASHINGTON.
>> I HAVE A SENSE [INAUDIBLE] [BACKGROUND] [OVERLAPPING] [NOISE] SCHOOL THAT I DIDN'T DALE AND I DROVE IT SUNDAY TALK ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE]. SO MUCH OF IT IS.
>> I DROVE THROUGH THERE ONCE.
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>> WE DROVE TO I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES YOU [INAUDIBLE].
>> MY GUPPY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO WASTE TIME.
>> IF THEY'RE READY, WE'RE READY.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE DECEMBER MEETING OF
[I. CALL TO ORDER]
THE HARDEEVILLE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IN VACATION AND PLOT.
[II. INVOCATION & PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
>> WELL, THANK YOU [LAUGHTER].
>> THANK FOR BRINGING US HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US IN TODAY'S HOLIDAY AND LET US UNDERSTAND WHAT A FULL NAME.
>> WHAT DO YOU NEED US TO SAY?
>> YEAH, IS LONGER THAN SEVEN.
>> [INAUDIBLE] SPEAKERS IN HERE. [NOISE].
>> BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HEAR.
>> IT WAS THIRTY-SECONDS LAST TIME.
IF WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR US.
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>> TELL US [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE] [LAUGHTER]
>> WE'VE JUST CONNECTED THEM TOGETHER.
>> HOT BIKE OR SOMETHING SOMEWHERE?
>> TESTING. [NOISE] NO ECHO. [NOISE] BACK TO THE MEETING. THANK YOU, RICK.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
[III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDS OR MODIFICATIONS? I DON'T SEE. SEEING NONE.DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOVED. SECOND. MOTION CARRIES.
BEFORE WE MOVE ON, COMMISSION MEMBER FOREMAN WILL BE A LITTLE LATE.
HE WILL BE HERE BUT HE'LL BE LATE.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THINGS OTHER THAN WHAT'S BEFORE THE COMMISSION TODAY?
[IV. PUBLIC COMMENT]
SEEING NONE, LET'S GO TO OUR BUSINESS.APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 8TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
[V. OLD BUSINESS]
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES UP HERE?[A. MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 8, 2023 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING]
>> I DO. PAGE 2, SECOND PARAGRAPH.
I'VE A LITTLE PROBLEM WITH THE PHRASING OF THE LAST TWO SENTENCES.
DIRECTOR SNOWDEN COMMENTED THAT WHILE IT IS IN THE E STARS AND INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, IT WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE CITY.
I JUST THINK THERE OUGHT TO BE OF THAT, AND THEN WHILE THE SECTION IN EAST ORIGIN IS INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, THAT WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE CITY.
THEN IN THE 2, 3, 4 FIFTH PARAGRAPH OF THAT SAME SECTION, PEOPLE ASK ABOUT A TIMELINE.
THE WAY I HAVE IT IN MY NOTES IS THAT DESIGN WILL START JANUARY 24TH, RECEIVED PERMITS 25, AND FIRST HOMES STARTED SHORTLY THEREAFTER WITH BUILD-OUT IN JANUARY 27TH.
THAT'S WHAT I GOT IN MY NOTES.
>> FIRST HOME STARTED AFTER BUILD-OUT IN JANUARY 22ND.
SENTENCE IS NOT A GOOD SENTENCE.
COMMENTED ON THE SITE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE.
KATIE PROVIDED MORE DETAIL THERE.
YES. THERE'LL BE A MINIMUM FIVE FOOT FROM THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK, THE RIGHT OF WAYS.
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BUT THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE ANY LANDSCAPING WOULD BE AND HOW TALL THE LANDSCAPING COULD BE TO ALLOW FOR VISIBILITY.KATIE HAS THE WORDS TO PUT IN THERE.
IN ARTICLE 6, THAT FIRST PARAGRAPH, MR. FOREMAN MADE COMMENTS ABOUT THE ONE SECTION IN THERE ABOUT APPROVAL OF CAPITAL BUDGETS, AND THAT DOESN'T SHOW UP HERE.
HE WAS CONCERNED THAT SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO FOR ALL THE RIGHT REASONS.
BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW UP IN HERE.
THAT WAS A SUBSTANTIAL DISCUSSION.
THEN ON PAGE 4, COMMISSION COMMENTS.
AGAIN, SOME PHRASEOLOGY, LAST SENTENCE OF THAT FIRST PARAGRAPH A OF SECTION 2.
MISS WOODRUFF RESPONDED TO CITY BELT MAIN ENTRY ROAD.
I SAID WE SHOULD SAY IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION FROM ROOT 17 AND MAY EVENTUALLY CONNECT I95 EXIT 3.
AGAIN, A LITTLE MORE DETAIL THAT SHOULD BE IN THERE.
VICE CHAIR TALBOT, ASK ABOUT WORK ON JOHN SMITH RESPONDED THAT WE SHOULD ADD A PHRASE IN THERE.
RESPONDED THAT THE CONSTRUCTION IS IN PREPARATION FOR I95 BEING WIDENED.
THEN IN THE FOURTH PARAGRAPH, SHERIFFS DISCIPLE ASKED FOR AN UPDATE ON THE REALIGNMENT OF THE INTERSECTION AT SHORTCUT AND ARGENT.
THEN THAT UPDATE WAS PROVIDED BY RANDOM.
I CAN PASS IT DOWN TO YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE, IT MIGHT MAKE YOUR LIFE A LITTLE EASIER.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE UPDATE TO THE MZDF.
[B. CONSIDERATION OF AN UPDATE TO THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE MUNICIPAL ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE (MZDO)]
>> I'M GOING TO START THIS PROCESS AND THEN WE CAN ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS.
BUT MR. BROWN ARE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
JOHN BROWN HAS A PRESENTATION FOR YOU ON THE STORMWATER ORDINANCE AND AS IT RELATES TO SOLOCO AND OTHER THINGS.
WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THIS MOVING FORWARD AND GET THIS ADOPTED SAME.
JUST A FEW SLOTS AND WE'RE NOT WILLING TO WORK HERE.
>> WE'LL TRY AGAIN. GOOD MORNING AGAIN.
WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE MZDF REVISIONS AND INFORMATION.
THIS IS WHERE WE ARE FROM THE LAST MEETING WHERE WE DISCUSSED IT.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT REPEATEDLY.
THE CONSULTANTS HAVE GONE THROUGH IT AND HAD SOME QUESTIONS FOR MR. SEIBEL AS WELL.
OUR NEXT STEP IS TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS AND MOVE IT TO CITY COUNCIL WHERE THEY WILL HAVE THEIR HEARINGS ON THIS MATTER AS WELL.
WE HAVE REVISED THE DOCUMENT BASED ON PLANNING COMMISSION COMMENTS FROM THE LAST MEETING.
THERE WERE SOME CLARIFICATIONS, SOME THINGS YOU ASKED TO BE CHANGED OR COMMENTED ON.
ONCE WE TALK TO THE ATTORNEYS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WE CLARIFIED IT, BUT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MAKE ALL CHANGES PER STATE LAW.
UNLESS I MENTIONED ATTORNEY MAINS DID REVIEW THIS DOCUMENT AND YOU A MEMO FROM HER TO THAT EFFECT THAT SHE HAS GONE THROUGH IT AND LET ME TELL YOU SHE WENT THROUGH IT CAREFULLY, SO I APPRECIATE HER HER HELP IN THAT AS WELL.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT STORMWATER AND RAGE INCLUDES CONTROL THAT.
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ONE THING WE DIDN'T DIVE INTO IN THIS MATTER.WE HAVE OUR EXISTING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH FOR YEARS.
WE HAVE THE SOLOCO DESIGN MANUAL.
AS I MENTIONED, MR. BROWN IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
HE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
WE GOT SOME PROS AND CONS AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO JOHN AND LET HIM GET INTO HIS PRESENTATION.
>> WE'VE GOT QUITE A PRODUCTION SIR.
YEAH, NOTHING LIKE THAT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I DIDN'T BRING A PILLOW. [LAUGHTER]
>> I'M HOPING THIS IS NOT GOING TO TAKE VERY LONG.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET THROUGH IT FAIRLY QUICKLY.
BUT BACK IN OCTOBER, AS YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER, I GOT IT IN FRONT OF YOU AND WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS LOGO DESIGN MANUAL AND THINGS, AND SO SINCE THEN, I'VE LITERALLY BEEN INVOLVED IN A RESEARCH PROJECT, SO I'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION, A LOT OF REGULATIONS AND SUCH TO TRY TO ANSWER PRIMARILY WHAT THE MAYOR'S QUESTION WANTS. WHAT'S THIS?
>> PERFECT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO MR. MAYOR HAD ASKED HEY, SHOW ME SPECIFICS ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE MZDO AND HOW IT RELATES OR COMPARES TO WHAT'S IN THE DESIGN MANUAL, SO THAT WAS THE DIRECTION I TOOK AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO PRESENT TO YOU TODAY.
IF YOU WOULD, DOWN ON THE BRIEF ITSELF. I GOT TO SCROLL THIS, YOU SAID?
>> IF WE LOOK AT THE PURPOSE THROUGH QUICK.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO HERE, SO THIS IS A CONTINUING EFFORT, OF COURSE, FROM THIS BRIEF HERE THAT YOU GENTLEMEN PROBABLY KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
THIS WAS DONE IN '22S, IN COMPARISON OF JUST WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, THE DESIGN MANUAL, THE ORDINATES, ALONG WITH MZDO, SO IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THAT OR ANYTHING, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE A COPY TO YOU.
THAT'S WHAT STARTED THIS WHOLE EFFORT WAS TO LOOK AT THAT, SO THIS BRIEFS GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER LOOK INTO WHAT THE DESIGN MANUAL SAYS AND WHAT MZDO HAS IN ITS SECTIONS AS WELL AS THE REFERENCES THAT IT PULLS IN FROM SOUTH CAROLINA DHEC, I'M GOING TO ATTEMPT TO ANSWER A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
PRIMARILY, YOUR WHAT PROBLEM DOES DESIGN MANUALS SOLVE THAT THE MZDO DOESN'T? THAT'S ONE QUESTION I'M GOING TO TRY TO ANSWER, AND THEN AS WELL, IS THE DESIGN MANUAL APPLICABLE FOR HARDEEVILLE.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL AND THEN FINALLY, MAKE A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDATIONS TOWARDS THE END.
I'M SURE YOU GENTLEMEN PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW MOST OF THIS, IF NOT ALL, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A QUICK HISTORY BACKGROUND WHERE THIS ALL CAME FROM.
ALL STARTED BACK '72 WITH THE CLEAN WATER ACT WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT AND BASICALLY SAID, HEY, IT'S ILLEGAL TO DISCHARGE ANY POLLUTANTS INTO THE WATERS OF THE UNITED STATES, CLEAR, WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT.
'70S AND '80S WE SAW SOME RESEARCH PROJECTS GOING ON AND WHAT THEY IDENTIFIED WAS STORM-WATER INDEED IS A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTOR TO THE POLLUTION THAT WE SEE IN OUR WATERS.
THEN IN '87, AS YOU SEE THERE, CLEAN WATER ACT WAS AMENDED.
IT BROUGHT IN THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE NPDES PROGRAM, IF YOU WILL, THAT WE ARE STILL WORKING UNDER TODAY.
AT THAT TIME WHEN IT FIRST CAME IN, IT WAS FOUR OR FIVE ACRES OR MORE FOR DEVELOPMENT OR CONSTRUCTION, BUT THEN LATER ON IN '99, WHAT WE SEE IS THAT WAS REDUCED TO ONE ACRE OR MORE, AND I'VE GOT THE PERMIT RIGHT HERE.
IF ANYBODY WANTS TO LOOK AT IT OR GO THROUGH IT, I'VE ALREADY TAPPED IT OUT IN THE AREAS THAT YOU PROBABLY NEED TO FOCUS ON.
I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
THE AUTHORITY TO BASICALLY CONTROL THIS NPDES PERMIT PROGRAM WAS GIVEN TO SOUTH CAROLINA DHEC BY EPA AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SO FAR.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM THERE, THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE, IS FEDERAL AND STATE REGULATIONS INFLUENCED BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL MOVEMENTS OF '60S AND '70S IS RESULTED IN STRICTER STORM-WATER RUNOFF REQUIREMENTS TODAY.
THAT'S NOT A BAD THING. THAT'S ACTUALLY GOOD.
WE LOOK ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DESIGN MANUAL.
BASICALLY WHAT IT'S A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.
IT PRESENTS A WATERSHED APPROACH.
WATERSHED APPROACH ESSENTIALLY MEANS IT DOESN'T MATTER, THE JURISDICTION DOESN'T MATTER, THE MUNICIPALITIES IN THE WATERSHED, SO IF IT'S IN THE WATERSHED, IT SHOULD COMPLY WITH CERTAIN REGULATIONS, CERTAIN DESIGN STANDARDS AND SUCH.
IT'S WHAT TO DESIGN MANUAL CALLS OUT AND ENCOURAGES IMPLEMENTATION OF THE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE IDEAS, LOW-IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, AGAIN, NOT BAD THINGS, THAT'S WHAT IT HAS.
DESIGN MANUAL HAS BEEN ADOPTED UP AND DOWN THE EAST COAST, MANY JURISDICTIONS, HOWEVER, NEARLY EVERY ONE HAS BEEN AN AMENDED VERSION TO FIT THAT PARTICULAR JURISDICTION OR THAT MUNICIPALITY, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
ACTUALLY, LET ME GO BACK ON THIS HERE, SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, COMPARING IF YOU WILL, THE MZDO TO THE DESIGN MANUAL,
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WE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT, MZDO IS AN ORDINANCE, THAT MANUAL IS A TECHNICAL DESIGN SPEC, IF YOU WILL, HOW WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THINGS.YOU CAN'T REALLY DO THAT APPLES-TO-APPLES, SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT PROPERLY, YOU'VE GOT TO DIG DEEPER INTO THE MZDO.
THE MZDO HAS A LOT OF REFERENCES.
IT CALLS OUT SOUTH CAROLINA DHEC, AND SUCH AS I'LL GO THROUGH HERE.
ONCE WE DO THAT, NOW WE'VE GOT AN APPLES-TO-APPLES COMPARISON AND WE CAN LOOK AT HOW DO WE COMPARE CERTAIN KEY REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN DESIGN MANUAL WITH WHAT THE MZDO CALLS OUT THROUGH ITS REFERENCES.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR AS WE GO FORWARD.
WE LOOK AT THE MZDO, HOW DOES IT COMPARE? WELL, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE CALLED OUT IN THE DESIGN MANUAL.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MZDO SECTION THAT I'VE GIVEN YOU HERE, CLEARLY SAYS PLANS SHALL CONFORM TO A SOUTH CAROLINA DHEC, AND THE OCRM REQUIREMENTS, THE NPDES, THE GENERAL PERMIT FOR CONSTRUCTION GIVES US THE REQUIREMENTS TO FIND THEM FAIRLY WELL.
THAT'S WHAT WE FOLLOW WITH OUR PROJECTS AND OUR DEVELOPMENTS RIGHT NOW.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STORM-WATER MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS, AGAIN, THERE'S THE MZDO SECTION THAT CALLS THAT OUT.
AGAIN, ANY CONSTRUCTION OR DEVELOPMENT AFFECTING QUALITY OR QUANTITY OF STORM-WATER RUNOFF SHALL BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STORM-WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN.
THERE'S ALREADY A PROCESS IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
IT'S A PRETTY GOOD THOROUGH PROCESS TO EVALUATE AND TO APPROVE STORM-WATER MASTER PLANS.
IT'S HANDLED THROUGH THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, SO WE ARE ALREADY DOING THAT, AND AGAIN, THE CITY DEFERS TO THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN THE NPDES TO HELP US WITH THAT, IF YOU WILL.
MINIMUM WATER QUALITY REQUIREMENTS.
AGAIN, THERE'S THE MZDO SECTION THAT CALLS THAT OUT.
IT SAYS SHALL MEET THE SOUTH CAROLINA DHEC WATER QUALITY REGULATIONS AND ALSO THE CITY MAINTAINS THE RIGHT TO TELL THE DEVELOPER, I WANT YOU TO LOOK DEEPER INTO THIS.
I WANT YOU TO ADD SOMETHING TO THIS, IF YOU WILL, IF THE CITY FEELS LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. YES, SIR.
>> IF THE DHEC UPDATES THEIR STANDARDS AND THEY AUTOMATICALLY FLOW INTO THIS DOCUMENT BECAUSE YOU ARE REFERRING THEM TO MEET THE WATER QUALITY STANDARDS OF DHEC?
>> YES, SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING.
WE'RE FOLLOWING THE STATE REGULATIONS AND THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS, IF YOU WILL, FOR WATER QUALITY, WATER QUANTITY, STORM-WATER RUNOFF, IF YOU WILL, AND THAT'S COMING THROUGH THE SOUTH CAROLINA DHEC REGULATIONS.
>> ANY CHANGES THEY MAKE AUTOMATICALLY FLOW INTO THIS?
>> INDEED, YES. ESSENTIALLY THE BOTTOM LINE ON THAT IS THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE MZDO COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL AND STATE REGULATIONS IN CONTROLLING THE QUANTITY AND THE QUALITY OF STORM-WATER RUNOFF.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I JUST SAID.
I HATE THAT IT JUST REPEATED MYSELF, BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT I SAID.
THE NEXT SLIDE ESSENTIALLY GOES INTO KEY REQUIREMENTS.
THERE ARE SOME KEY REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE DESIGN MANUAL THAT I ACTUALLY WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE HOW IT RELATED TO THE MZDO.
THE FIRST ONE IS BETTER SITE DESIGN, WE'VE ALL HEARD THAT.
REDUCING IMPERVIOUS COVER, CONSERVE OPEN SPACE, PREVENTS STORM-WATER POLLUTION, REDUCE OVERALL COST.
THE FIRST ONE THERE, PREVENTING STORM-WATER IMPACTS RATHER THAN MITIGATING THEM.
I THINK IT'S A GENERAL ENGINEERING PRINCIPLE THAT YOU WANT TO PREVENT INSTEAD OF MITIGATE, IT'S CLEAR THAT MITIGATION MOST TIMES COST MORE MONEY THAN IT DOES TO PREVENT UP FRONT.
I'M GOING TO SAY, HEY, THAT'S A GIVEN, THAT'S IMPLIED.
IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE MZDO, HERE'S HOW WE COMPARE TO THAT.
REDUCING IMPERVIOUS COVER, THERE'S THE SECTION.
CONSERVING OPEN SPACE, THERE'S THE SECTION.
LIMITING STORM-WATER POLLUTION, THERE'S THE SECTION, BUT IT ALSO REFERENCES SOUTH CAROLINA DHEC AS WELL.
REDUCING OVERALL COST OF DEVELOPMENT, AGAIN, THIS IS AN IMPLIED THING.
I NEED DEVELOPERS, CONTRACTORS, AND SUCH WANT TO WORK TO REDUCE THAT COST TO KEEP IT DOWN.
I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THAT'S AN IMPLIED STATEMENT THERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS REQUIREMENT, BETTER SITE DESIGN, I WOULD SAY THAT THE MZDO COMPARES FAIRLY VERY WELL WITH WHAT THE DESIGN MANUAL PUTS OUT.
THE NEXT KEY REQUIREMENT THAT I PULLED UP WAS BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
WE'VE ALL HEARD THIS. BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, WHAT I DO IS I GIVE YOU HERE.
[BACKGROUND] YOU HEAR THE DEFINITION FROM SOUTH CAROLINA D HECK REGULATION 702301, WHICH TALKS ABOUT THAT ESSENTIALLY MEANS THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES EFFECTIVELY CONTROL THE QUALITY AND OR THE QUANTITY OF STORMWATER RUNOFF WHICH ARE COMPATIBLE WITH PLANNING YET BUT PLANNED LAND-USE.
MZDO, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY LIST THESE OUT.
HOWEVER, IT DOES REFERENCE SOUTH CAROLINA D HECK, BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, WHICH IS THIS RIGHT HERE.
YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T, AGAIN, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE THE COPY WITH YOU IF YOU'D LIKE.
WHAT THE CHART DOES FOR US THERE, IT LISTS OUT THE 13 BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES THAT THE DESIGN MANUAL GOES INTO.
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OVER TO THE RIGHT MZDO THROUGH ITS REFERENCES, TALKS ABOUT 11 OF THOSE.HOWEVER, THE OTHER TWO, THE GREEN ROOF AND THE RAINWATER HARVESTING THAT ARE SITTING THERE.
THAT SAYS NO, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AS BEING A RECOMMENDATION OR A REQUIREMENT.
THERE'S NO RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW FOR US TO HAVE GREEN ROOFS IN HARDEEVILLE, NOR ANY RECOMMENDATION OR REQUIREMENT FOR US TO HAVE RAINWATER HARVESTING IN HARDEEVILLE.
BUT LET'S SAY WE DID. WHAT DO WE HAVE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW THAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE? THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION IN MZDO IS THIS JASPER COUNTY STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL.
DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS EXISTED UNTIL THIS RESEARCH PROJECT KICKED OFF FOR ME AND I FOUND IT AS I WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO PULL ALL THE DOCUMENTS, THIS ACTUALLY HAS ONE OF OUR CONSULTANTS, ACTUALLY THOMPSON HUTTON WAS PART OF THIS.
PUT THIS TOGETHER, I READ THROUGH IT.
THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN THIS MANUAL RIGHT HERE FROM JASPER COUNTY THAT'S LITERALLY IN THE DESIGN MANUAL, WORD FOR WORD CHARTS TAKEN OUT OF THIS PUT INTO THE DESIGN MANUAL AND SUCH.
THIS HERE SHOULD BE A GOOD DOCUMENT THAT WE SHOULD ALSO ASK OUR CONSULTANTS TO CONSIDER.
PERHAPS AS THEY GO THROUGH THE DESIGN FOR DEVELOPMENTS AND CONSTRUCTION.
>> WITHIN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, THAT ISN'T A REQUIREMENT?
>> NO, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT.
THAT'S WHY IT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE SHOULD CONSIDER IT.
THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING IN THAT DOCUMENT FOR A DESIGN CONSULTANT, IF YOU WILL, THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE DESIGN. WHO KNOWS? I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LIMIT THE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
[BACKGROUND] MOVING ON TO THE NEXT REQUIREMENT THAT'S IN THE DESIGN MANUAL THAT WE TOOK ELECTORALLY.
ACTUALLY LET ME BACKUP ON THAT.
LET'S STAY ON THIS FOR A SECOND.
YOU SEE THE THIRD ONE DOWN IN THE CHART HERE IS CALLED INFILTRATION.
INFILTRATION, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS IS STORMWATER IS GOING TO INFILTRATE INTO THE GROUND.
IT'S SITTING IN A POND. THERE'S TWO WAYS IT CAN GO IT CAN GO UP AND GO DOWN ESSENTIALLY, IF IT'S MEANT TO STAY THERE.
INFILTRATION BASICALLY TAKES GOOD SOILS.
SOILS PLAY A BIG PART IN THAT.
WE GET TO BE CAREFUL ON THE INFILTRATION PIECE HERE.
I'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS SO AS I GO INTO THIS INFILTRATION BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE.
THIS IS, IT'S HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN, BUT IN FRONT OF YOU YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE BETTER.
IT'S JUST A REGION. YOU LOOK TO THE WEST, IT'S HARDEEVILLE LOVED ONES IN THE MIDDLE ISLANDS OVER ON THE EAST.
IT'S JUST A MAP COMING RIGHT OFF OF EITHER, I DON'T KNOW WHERE, I THINK I GOT THIS OUT OF A GEO THINK.
IF YOU TAKE THAT RIGHT THERE AND YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS THAT SAME AREA WITH AN OVERLAY OF THE SOIL TYPES.
LET'S LOOK AT BLUFFTON. IF YOU LOOK AT BLUFFTON, BLUFFTON HAS A LOT OF GREENS, SOME YELLOWS.
LET'S CONSIDER HYDROLOGIC SOIL GROUP A, B TYPE STUFF.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT MEANS LOW TO MODERATE RUN-OFF POTENTIAL IS NOT RUNNING OFF.
WHAT'S IT DOING? IT'S INFILTRATING IS GOING DOWN.
BLUFFTON IN RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR CODE GOES ALONG WITH THE DESIGN MANUAL, WHICH ENCOURAGES INFILTRATION PRACTICES.
THAT'S GOOD IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT SOILS TO DO THAT.
WHAT WE'RE FINDING IN HARDEEVILLE AND THIS SHOWS, YOU SEE A LOT OF BROWNS UP THERE.
YOU SEE SOME GREENS, YOU SEE SOME YELLOWS, IF YOU SEE A LOT OF BROWNS.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS THE EXACT OPPOSITE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO INFILTRATE, IT'S GOING TO RUN OFF.
THERE'S MORE CLAY MATERIAL IN THIS AREA.
THERE IS IN BLUFFTON IN AND SUE EXCUSE ME, BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES HAVE TO BE SELECTED APPROPRIATELY TO HANDLE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
WE GET TO BE CAREFUL WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DESIGN MANUAL AND IT REALLY HIGHLY ENCOURAGES RETENTION OF STORMWATER ON THE SITE.
IMPLYING THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE INFILTRATION THAT'S NEEDED TO TREAT THAT WATER AND DISSIPATE THAT WATER.
WE JUST BE CAREFUL WITH THAT, IF YOU WILL.
THE NEXT KEY REQUIREMENT THAT I LOOKED AT WAS MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICABLE.
FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY THIS IS ABOUT ONE OF THE MOST SUBJECTIVE TERMS I'VE EVER HEARD OR STUDIED IN MY LIFE.
I COULD GIVE YOU MY OWN PERSONAL DEFINITION, BUT THE FOUR OF YOU SITTING UP THERE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE EXACTLY SOMETHING DIFFERENT IF YOU WILL, THAN WHAT I COME UP WITH.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN? WE'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT.
WHAT I'VE LAID OUT HERE ESSENTIALLY, EXCUSE ME, ONE SECOND.
WHAT WE GET TO HERE IS JUST A COUPLE OF A FEW EXAMPLES.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE CLEAN WATER ACT JUST BASICALLY SAYS, HEY, REDUCED DISCHARGES OF POLLUTANTS, USE A MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, USING CONTROL TECHNIQUES, SYSTEM DESIGN AND SUCH.
THAT'S ALL GOOD. I PRINTED THAT OUT FROM THE CLEAN WATER ACT AND THAT'S WHAT I WROTE DOWN HERE FOR YOU DIRECTLY FROM THE CLEAN WATER ACT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE NPDES, THE CONSTRUCTION PERMIT THAT HARDEEVILLE WORKS
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UNDER FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENTS IN THEIR CONSTRUCTION, YOU SEE THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES DESIGN INSTALLED, MAINTAIN TO ACHIEVE MAXIMUM POLLUTANT REMOVAL TO THE EXTENT THAT THE PERMIT IS DISCHARGES SHALL NOT BASICALLY CAUSE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT DOWNSTREAM OR WATER QUALITY.BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT THE SCDOT.
I ACTUALLY WENT TO THE DOT AS WELL.
HERE'S THEIR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT DESIGN GUIDE, IF YOU WILL.
THE DOT SAYS LEVEL OF EFFORT DEEMED NECESSARY TO COMPLY WITH STATE AND FEDERAL WATER QUALITY GOALS.
CONSIDERING COMMON KNOWLEDGE OF POLLUTANTS AND DISCHARGES IMPACT ON WATER QUALITY AND THE POINT, COMMONLY USED ENGINEERING DESIGN STANDARDS.
THE DESIGN MANUAL THAT WE'VE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY LITERALLY GOES WITH WHAT THE CLEAN WATER ACT SAYS.
IT BASICALLY LAYS OUT THE SAME THING.
IT FOLLOWS THAT DOT, BUT THE DESIGN MANUAL ALSO SAYS IT ESTABLISHES A FEE IN LIEU PROCESS.
THAT TYPICALLY MEANS IF THE CONTRACTOR OR THE DEVELOPER CANNOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DESIGN MANUAL, THEN THEY'LL PAY A FEE.
THEY'LL PAY A FEE TO THE CITY.
WELL, QUESTION IS WHO DECIDES WHAT THAT IS? BECAUSE THE CITY NOW HAS TO TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES TO PERFORM THAT WORK.
WHO'S GOING TO DO THAT WORK? WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT WORK? WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT FEE IN LIEU PROCESS.
>> IT WAS JUST LIKE A MONTHLY BILL THEY WOULD GET?
>> HOW IT'S SET UP, IT'S EITHER SETUP SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT OR IT'S A LUMP SUM THAT'S GOING TO BE PAID.
THE CITY THAT SAYS, THIS, TO PUT THIS BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES IN PLACE, IT WOULD COST US THIS MUCH OR WE JUST CAN'T GET TO THE POINT FOR WATER QUALITY OR RETENTION THAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO GET TO AND HERE'S WHAT THE COST I GUESS IT WOULD BE MAYBE A NEGOTIATED COST.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THAT FRAMEWORK AS TO HOW THAT WOULD BE PAID TO THE CITY.
BUT YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT BECAUSE THE MONEY IS COMING INTO THE CITY, OF COURSE, IT'S FOR STORMWATER, THIS FEE IN LIEU, BUT THERE THERE COULD BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT MONEY TO CREEP IN OTHER AREAS.
YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. BE CAREFUL WITH THAT.
>> BUT IF THEY COULDN'T MEET THE DESIGN STANDARD AND THEY COME BACK AND SAY, IT WOULD COST US THIS MUCH TO DO THAT.
WOULDN'T THAT STILL BE ON THE DEVELOPER AS A COST OF DOING BUSINESS? WHY WOULD IT FALL BACK ON THE CITY?
>> THE DESIGN MANUAL LAYS IT OUT AND SAY, IF THE CONTRACTOR CAN'T MEET THE REGULATIONS FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT THEY SAY THEY CAN'T MEET THE REGULATIONS AND IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY.
YOU IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY, THEN THE CITY IS GOING TO REQUIRE A FEE BECAUSE THE IDEA HERE IS THE CITY WOULD TAKE THAT MONEY AND PERFORM THAT WORK, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
BUT THEN THE CITY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT.
>> WOULD THE CITY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT THAT LIABILITY.
EITHER YOU TAKE CARE OF IT OR YOU'RE DENIED?
>> ABSOLUTELY. I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO WITH IT.
AS WE GO FURTHER IN THIS, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WE WANT TO ADD IN THERE, WE NEED TO PUT SOME AMENDMENT TO THAT TO SAY PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, SO THAT THE LIABILITY ON THE CITY IS NOT SO GREAT.
I THINK THE WAY THAT DESIGN MANUAL WAS WRITTEN, THE INTENT OF IT PERHAPS WAS, YOU EITHER GET OUT THERE AND DO THIS OR YOU'RE GOING TO PAY US TO DO IT.
WELL, SOME MUNICIPALITIES, SOME JURISDICTIONS PROBABLY HAVE THE RESOURCES AND THE MANPOWER TO DO THAT.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, HARDY WILL DOES NOT. WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT.
>> IS THIS A DEFICIENCY OR AN OVERSIGHT IN THE PROPOSED MZDO WE NEED TO ADDRESS?
>> I DO NOT THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS AT THIS POINT.
THAT WAS MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICE, BUT HOPEFULLY IT MADE MY POINT THERE THAT IS VERY SUBJECTIVE.
DIFFERENT AGENCIES HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY OF DEFINING WHAT THAT ACTUALLY IS.
MOVING ON TO THE NEXT KEY REQUIREMENT.
THIS IS A BIG ONE, WATER QUALITY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DESIGN MANUAL, IT FOCUSES HEAVILY ON WATER QUALITY.
IT FOCUSES ON WATER QUANTITY AS WELL, BUT IN TERMS OF ESSENTIALLY ULTIMATELY IMPACTING WATER QUALITY STANDARDS, IF YOU WILL.
IT SETS LIMITS FOR TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS AND NITROGEN BACTERIA, DIRECTS THE 85TH AND 95TH PERCENTILE STORM FOR BASICALLY SIZING THAT RETENTION AREA.
WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, THE STORMWATER RETENTION THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO STAY ON SITE.
AS WELL AS SIZING THEIR BMPS FOR PRE-DEVELOPMENT LEVELS.
AGAIN, HEAVILY RELIES UPON STORMWATER RETENTION ON SITE AGAIN, WHICH THEN GOES INTO THE WHOLE INFILTRATION DISCUSSION, IF YOU WILL.
THE MZDO REFERENCING SCDHEC REGULATIONS AND NPDES AGAIN, CALLS FOR APPROPRIATE DESIGN TO ACHIEVE MAXIMUM POLLUTANT REMOVAL FOR WATER QUALITY.
USES THE 2-,10-, 25-YEAR EVENTS TO SIZE THE BMPS APPROPRIATELY AND AGAIN, FORCING IT BACK DOWN TO PRE-DEVELOPMENT LEVELS.
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SCDOT, AGAIN, I'M USING THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE AN AGENCY THAT WORKS IN AND THROUGH OUR JURISDICTION HERE, WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER.IF THEY'RE PUTTING SOMETHING INTO THE STREAMS THAT MIGHT BE A POLLUTANT, WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT AND WE NEED TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THEM AS THEY DO THEIR WORK.
BUT AGAIN, THE 2-,10- YEAR STORM EVENT TO SIZE THERE BMPS.
THEY ALSO HAVE BMPS THAT ADDRESS THE SUSPENDED SOLIDS, NUTRIENTS, AND BACTERIA.
ESSENTIALLY, THE BOTTOM LINE ON THIS IS THAT ALL AGENCIES COMPLY WITH WATER QUALITY STANDARDS.
THEY ENCOURAGE THE REMOVAL OF POLLUTANTS TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT.
AS WE MOVE ON, STICKING WITH WATER QUALITY HERE, AGAIN, COMPARING.
WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A SCREENSHOT OUT OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA WATERSHED ATLAS, IT'S OFF OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA DHEC WEBSITE, IF YOU WILL.
WHAT THIS IS SHOWING US IS IMPAIRED WATERS.
THE HEAVY LINES, IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT IN YOUR HANDOUT IT SHOULD BE ORANGE.
THAT'S THE OUTLINE OF THE COUNTIES, IF YOU WILL.
JASPER COUNTY BEING THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS HERE, YOU SEE 95 GOING UP THROUGH THE MIDDLE.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE HARDY VILLAS AND BLUFF END, THESE DOTS INDICATE IMPAIRED WATERS.
WHAT WE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WAS, OKAY, WHAT ARE THE IMPAIRED WATERS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE IN JASPER COUNTY? WHAT WHAT ARE THE IMPAIRMENTS? THE IMPAIRMENTS THAT WE FOUND BY GOING THROUGH THIS DECEMBER 22, IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE LESS THAN A YEAR OLD ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY 303(D) LIST THAT BASICALLY LIST OUT ALL OF IMPAIRED WATERWAYS, IF YOU WILL.
WE FOUND ALL OF THEM FOR JASPER COUNTY.
THE THINGS THAT WE SAW WERE MERCURY IMPAIRMENTS, DISSOLVED OXYGEN, ENTEROB.
I'M SURE I'M PRONOUNCING THAT CORRECTLY, IT'S A BACTERIA FROM HUMANS, ANIMALS, FOOD, WATER, SOIL.
E. COLI, OF COURSE, WE KNOW ABOUT THAT BACTERIA FROM HUMANS AND ANIMALS.
TURBIDITY, WHICH IS MAINLY FROM SUSPENDED SOLIDS THAT ARE IN THE WATER.
IT MAKES IT CLOUDY, MAKES IT DARK.
THE IMPAIRED USES THAT WE SEE RIGHT NOW IN JASPER COUNTY, AQUATIC LIFE, RECREATION, SWIMMING IN CERTAIN AREAS.
YOU DON'T WANT TO SWIM AND THEN CONSUMING THE FISH THAT YOU CATCH DUE TO MAINLY THE MERCURY, ESSENTIALLY THAT'S IN THE WATER.
NOW THE NEXT PAGE OR THE NEXT SLIDE RATHER, EXCUSE ME, IS THE SAME SLIDE, BUT IT'S BRINGING YOU IN A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO HARDEEVILLE.
ON YOUR SLIDE IT'S RED OVAL IN THE MIDDLE.
THAT SHOWS EXIT 5, EXIT 8, SO THAT WOULD BE I WOULD CONSIDER THE CORE OF OUR CITY, IF YOU WILL RIGHT THERE.
THERE'S THREE DOTS THAT I'VE CALLED OUT FOR IMPAIRMENTS THAT ARE CLOSE BY.
IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THAT, IF YOU LOOK TO THE TOP THE SAVANNAH RIVER AT BECK'S FERRY THERE'S A MERCURY IMPAIRMENT AND THAT AGAIN AFFECTS CONSUMPTION OF FISH THAT YOU CATCH OUT THERE.
IF YOU LOOK DOWN BELOW, WE'VE GOT MILLSTONE LANDING, MERCURY AGAIN.
LIKELY THE SAME WATERWAY, SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
IF YOU LOOK OVER FURTHER TO THE EAST, YOU SEE NEW RIVER AT 170 MERCURY INTO ROW.
IT AFFECTS RECREATION OR SWIMMING AND FISH CONSUMPTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHAT WE LOOKED AT IN DEALING WITH THIS WAS, COULD WE PERHAPS PUT SOMETHING INTO THE MZDO THAT SAYS, DEVELOPMENTS IN CONSTRUCTION WHICH DIRECTLY IMPACTS IMPAIRED WATERS, AND WHEN I SAY DIRECTLY, I MEAN, WITHIN A HALF-MILE OR SO, SHOULD CONSIDER MORE STRINGENT BMPS AS TO NOT IMPACT WATER QUALITY DOWNSTREAM.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THIS HELPS US TO SEE WHERE THE WATERS AROUND HARDEEVILLE, WHERE THE IMPAIRMENTS ARE LOCATED.
IF WE'RE CLOSE TO ONE OF THOSE IN ANY DEVELOPMENT, NOW I BELIEVE THE CAR TRACK DEVELOPMENT WILL BE CLOSE TO THE NEW RIVER, THE ONE THAT'S DOWN TO THE BOTTOM-RIGHT THERE.
MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE REQUIREMENTS, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACTING DOWNSTREAM.
LET'S GO TO THE CONCLUSION HERE.
WHAT I LIKE TO SAY IS, I'VE TAKEN A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT THE DESIGN MANUAL, LOOKING TO MZDO, LOOKED AT ALL THE REFERENCES ABROAD IN SOUTH CAROLINA DOT, I'VE BROUGHT IN AN EPA.
I'VE BROUGHT IN DIFFERENT THINGS TO TRY TO LOOK AT A GOOD WAY TO COMPARE EVERYTHING.
WHAT IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO IS BOTH THE DESIGN MANUAL AND THE MZDO THROUGH HIS REFERENCES, BOTH OF THEM SPEAK TO AND ADDRESS BETTER SITE DESIGN, BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, I SHOWED YOU THAT.
THEY ALL PRETTY MUCH TALK ABOUT THE EXACT SAME THING.
WATER QUALITY IS A BIG DEAL, AND THEY BOTH TALK TO THAT, AND THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICABLE.
DOWN BELOW, IF YOU SEE DOWN ON THE LOWER PART OF THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED IN THE BEGINNING.
WHAT PROBLEM DOES THE DESIGN MANUAL SOLVE THAT THE MZDO DOESN'T?
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PRETTY MUCH WHAT I CAME UP WITH WAS, IT PROVIDES FURTHER BMP CONSIDERATION FOR DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION WHICH MAY DIRECTLY AND THAT'S AGAIN WITHIN A HALF-MILE, DISCHARGE STORMWATER RUNOFF TO IMPAIRED WATERWAYS.HOWEVER, THE CITY ALREADY HAS IN ITS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND IT'S PVDS AND OTHER CONTRACTUAL VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE ARE WAYS OF DEALING WITH IMPAIRED WATERS.
IF THERE'S AN IMPAIRED WATER WITHIN THE AREA OF A DEVELOPMENT OR A CONSTRUCTION SITE, THERE'S WAYS TO DEAL WITH THAT.
I THINK WE'RE ALREADY THERE, SO IF ANYTHING, IT PROVIDES A MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE STRINGENT LOOK.
I THINK IT'S IT SHOULD BE A CONSIDERATION THAT WE BRING INTO OUR DEVELOPMENTS, NOT NECESSARILY A FULL-ON REQUIREMENT.
FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THE NEXT SLIDE, WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS.
THE FIRST ONE THERE IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE.
ADOPT AND AMEND, AMEND BEING THE KEY WORD HERE, SECTION FROM THE DESIGN MANUAL TO INCLUDE CHAPTER 3 MINIMUM CONTROL REQUIREMENTS.
AGAIN, THAT'S FOR PROJECTS AND DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE CLOSE TO THESE IMPAIRED WATERS.
NOT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE CLOSE TO THESE IMPAIRED WATERS.
IF SOMETHING IS 20 MILES AWAY FROM AN IMPAIRMENT, BY THE TIME THAT WATER GOT TO OR CLOSE TO THAT IMPAIRMENT, WHAT ELSE HAS ALREADY CONTRIBUTED TO THAT? THERE IS NO WAY FOR US TO SAY THAT OUR PROJECT, OUR DEVELOPMENT IS THE ONLY THING CONTRIBUTING TO THAT.
WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT AS WELL.
THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT.
BUT I THINK IF IT'S WITHIN A HALF-MILE, THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO SAY, YES, LET'S LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER, LET'S LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE BMPS AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO CONTROL THE STORMWATER.
I'D RECOMMENDED INCLUDING THE JASPER COUNTY STORMWATER MANAGEMENT DESIGN MANUAL.
JUST AS ANOTHER REFERENCE THAT ARE DESIGNED FOLKS CAN TAKE A LOOK AT.
INCLUDING IN THE SECTION SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS IN THE MZDO SCDHEC REGULATION 72-309 THAT DEALS WITH DESIGNATED WATERSHEDS.
DOESN'T NEED A WATERSHED BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED IMPAIRED WATERS AND THERE'S A TOTAL MAXIMUM DAILY LOAD FOR CONTAMINANTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THERE AND SUCH SO AGAIN, FOR AREAS THAT ARE CLOSE TO THESE FOUR PROJECTS AND DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE CLOSE TO THESE AREAS, WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CAREFULLY.
I ALSO RECOMMENDED IN THE MZDO RIGHT UP FRONT SECTION 4.9, THAT'S THE STORMWATER SECTION, THAT WE UTILIZE THE SOUTH CAROLINA DOT DEFINITION OF MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL.
THAT IS, IN MY MIND, THE MOST CONCISE AND CLEAR AND WELL-LAID OUT DEFINITION THAT I'VE SEEN THUS FAR IN MY RESEARCH.
IN THE FINAL THING THERE IS ADD A STATEMENT FOR A MINIMUM QUALITY STANDARDS, WHICH BASICALLY SAYS PERMANENT WATER QUALITY CONTROLS SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO MEET ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL WATERSHED OR SITE-SPECIFIC WATER QUALITY REQUIREMENTS.
THEN THE LAST THING YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE HERE IS THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I ASKED UP FRONT.
IS THE DESIGN MANUAL APPLICABLE TO HARDEEVILLE? I WOULD THINK YES.
I THINK IT IS, BUT IT'S GOT TO BE AMENDED FOR OUR JURISDICTION.
IF THIS IS APPROVED AND WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS AND MY NEXT STEPS WOULD BE TO GET WITH THE CONSULTANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE TO WORK THIS AND SAY, OKAY, HOW DO WE AMEND THIS TO BEST WORK FOR HARDEEVILLE?
>> LET ME ASK THE QUESTION, JOHN.
BEFORE WE PASS ON THE MZDO, SHOULD THESE THINGS BE CONSIDERED?
>> THESE FOUR THAT I POINTED OUT HERE, ALREADY LOADED THEM INTO.
YOU ALREADY SEEN, I THINK ON THE LAST ONE WE TOLD YOU, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO ADD THIS BLURB ABOUT ALL APPLICATIONS, GOT TO COMPLY WITH THE DESIGN MANUAL AND SUCH, YOU SAW THAT ONE.
THESE FOUR HERE, WE WENT AHEAD AND PUT A COMPLETE BEHIND IT.
MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE BEST WORD TO SAY.
BUT YESTERDAY IN THAT DRAFT, WE WENT AHEAD AND HIGHLIGHTED ALL THOSE THINGS THAT I CALL OUT RIGHT HERE ARE IN THAT NOW.
I THINK YOU'LL GET A COPY OF THAT AS WELL.
>> WE DON'T HAVE IT YET, RIGHT?
>> YOU DON'T HAVE IT IN THIS PACKAGE, BUT I THINK YOU'LL GET THAT. [LAUGHTER].
>> [INAUDIBLE] HAVING TROUBLE LOADING, BUT WE HAVE THEM.
BUT WE DO HAVE COPIES AND IT HAS BEEN AMENDED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
>> WITH THOSE TOO? ALL RIGHT. [LAUGHTER].
>> I THINK OVERALL, THE POINT OF THIS IS THAT WE SHOULDN'T JUST BLINDLY RECEIVE THIS DESIGN MANUAL AND SAY, OKAY, CITY HARDEEVILLE IS GOING TO COMPLY WITH THIS.
I THINK THERE'S THINGS IN, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE THINGS IN THIS DESIGN MANUAL FROM JURISDICTIONS THROUGHOUT THE EAST COAST.
WE'RE TALKING MARYLAND, NEW JERSEY AND SUCH.
MARYLAND AND NEW JERSEY PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF
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DIFFERENT ASPECTS WHEN IT COMES TO STORMWATER THAN PERHAPS WE DO DOWN HERE.WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT AS TO HOW WE LOOK AT THAT.
I THINK THE NEXT LOGICAL STEP IS FOR US TO GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER NOW AND SAY, OKAY, PRESENT TO YOU WHAT WOULD BE THE AMENDED VERSION OF THIS THAT WE WOULD USE IN HARDEEVILLE, AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.
THANK YOU. OPEN TO QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> YES.OKAY. EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.
>> THANK YOU. YES. I DON'T THINK I NEED TO REVIEW THE SOURCE DOCUMENTS.
>> OKAY.WE ARE HERE FOR YOU IF YOU LIKE, SIR.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE YOU FOR. OKAY. YEAH.
>> DON'T SEND THEM TO US. [LAUGHTER]
WIT THAT, YOU HAVE IT UP ON THE SCREEN.
AND OBVIOUSLY, IT WAS CHANGED EXACTLY.
JOHN DID IT BASED ON HIS PRESENTATION AND REVIEW AND WORKING WITH KATIE AND I.
WE HAVE SENT THAT I WANTED TO THE CONSULTANT.
SHE HAS THAT INFORMATION AS WELL.
HAVING SAID ALL THAT, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE CAN FOR YOU ON THAT.
BUT ALL IN, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THIS TO CITY COUNCIL IN JANUARY IF YOU SEE FIT TO GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION.
>> ALL RIGHT. I SUBMITTED TO YOU OVER A COURSE OF SEVERAL WEEKS COMMENTS ON FOUR SECTIONS.
>> WE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD.
I DON'T HAVE THE BREAKDOWN PRECISELY, BUT WE DID IT ADDRESS EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD.
THERE WERE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE COULD NOT CHANGE BASED ON EITHER STATE LAW OR IN DEALING WITH THE ATTORNEY.
BUT WE DID INCORPORATE ALL OF YOURS AND SPENT TIME MEETING ON THEM.
THANK KATIE AND I SPENT A GOOD TIME AT THE CONFERENCE TABLE WORKING ON THOSE AND MAKING SURE WE WERE DOING THE APPROPRIATE THING.
>> ALRIGHT. CAN WE SPEND A COUPLE OF MINUTES AND JUST GO THROUGH THEM AND TELL ME HOW WE'VE ADDRESSED THEM? THE FIRST ONE STARTS OUT ON SECTION 2, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BICYCLES ON SIDEWALKS AND BICYCLE LANES.
BUT THERE ARE LOTS OF NEWER FORMS OF MOTORIZED TRANSPORTATION, SUCH AS THESE ELECTRIC SCOOTERS AND SKATEBOARDS.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS, JUST SOMETHING THAT TALKS ABOUT THEM.
DO THEY FOLLOW THE SAME RULES AS A BICYCLE OR NOT?
>> I AM ON PAGE 8 OF SECTION 6 OF SECTION 2, THE A AND B PARAGRAPH THERE.
MOTORIZED IS MOTORIZED, WHETHER IT'S AN ELECTRIC MOTOR OR ANYTHING ELSE, MOTORIZED IS CONSIDERED DIFFERENT THAN A BICYCLE.
AN ELECTRIC BIKE IS CONSIDERED DIFFERENT THAN A PEDAL BIKE.
>> ARE ELECTRIC BIKES ALLOWED ON SIDEWALKS?
>> OKAY. I DIDN'T SEE THAT ANYWHERE.
>> IF IT SAYS NO MOTORIZED IS ALLOWED THEN NO MOTORIZED IS ALLOWED.
>> WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY BECAUSE
>> THERE'S NEW TECHNOLOGY ALL THE TIME.
>>YEAH, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS ASKING.
>> IF IT SAYS NO MOTORIZED THEN THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
>> SO IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT I IS MOOT ON MOTORIZED BICYCLE VERSUS OTHER BICYCLES.
>> IT SAYS NON MOTORIZED POLAR, NON-POLAR.
>> A LOT OF THAT TAKES PLACE ON NOT WHAT'S STATED IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT AS WE ARE ENFORCING IT AND EVERYTHING, AND THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE MONITOR AND AS WE'RE BUILDING OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM ARE CERTAINLY AWARE OF.
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>> OKAY, THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT.
PAGE 9, SECTION 2 RIGHT AT THE TOP WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND SEE WHAT'S THE REST OF THAT.
WE TALK ABOUT AWNINGS BEING A GLOSSY FINISH.
THERE ARE SOME AWNINGS COVERS WHERE THEY USE GLASS.
ARE THOSE ALLOWED, PROHIBITED OR IT'S NOT REALLY THAT IMPORTANT?
>> WE'RE IN SRC PROCESS, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, WE'RE REVIEWING IT, AND WE'RE CONSIDERING ALL ASPECTS OF THE ORDINANCE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON.
OBVIOUSLY, AS WE'RE MOVING INTO WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD BECAUSE THAT IS A DOWNTOWN AREA.
I CAN'T WE'RE NOT GOING TO CALL UP EVERY MATERIAL, BUT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHY.
>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PRECLUDE OR ENCOURAGE LAST TYPE AWNINGS.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO CONSIDER IT ON A CASE
>> ON HOW IT FITS INTO THE AREA COMMUNITY,.
>> OKAY. NOW, I JUMPED A SECTION E. THERE IS A TABLE THAT BEGINS ON PAGE 3 AND THAT'S WHERE THE BULK OF MY COMMENTS ARE AS TO ALLOW NOT ALLOW, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
IF I GO DOWN TO DOMESTIC ANIMAL SHELTERS, WHICH IS UNDER ACCESSORY USES.
>> ACCESSORY FOR RESIDENTIAL USE.
IT'S NOT A MAIN AS AN ACCESSORY TO A RESIDENTIAL USE.
>> BUT I CAN HAVE AN ANIMAL SHELTER IN MY BACKYARD.
>> NO, THAT IS A KENNEL AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN OPERATING A KENNEL OR HAVING A KENNEL FOR YOUR PETS THAT YOU HAVE.
IT HAS TO BE OF A CERTAIN SIZE AND EVERYTHING.
NOT A KENNEL AS IN A BIG OPERATING, BUT THIS.
>>IN MY PARLANCE IS A DOG HOUSE?
>> AS IT PERTAINS TO AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
YES, SIR. THAT IS NOT A MAIN PRINCIPLE USE.
IT CANNOT BE THE PRINCIPAL USE OF THE PROPERTY.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH MANY OTHER EXAMPLES, MANY OTHER ORDINANCES, AND THAT IS HOW IT'S WORDED AND THAT'S HOW IT'S HANDLED.
BUT IT NO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN ANIMAL SHELTER AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO A.
>> YOU COULD HAVE A STABLE FOR HORSE.
>>THAT IS NOT BEING, AS IT'S DEFINED IN THE DICTIONARY, THAT IS NOT ALLOWED.
IT IS JUST FOR PETS AND EVERYTHING.
>> CHICKENS, DUCKS, GEESE, CATS, DOGS.
>> NO CHICKENS. [LAUGHTER]NO DUCKS,NO GEESE.
>> ON A FARM ANIMAL BUT A DOMESTIC ANIMAL.
>> DOMESTIC ANIMALS BEING DOGS AND CATS, GUINEA PIGS, WHATEVER.
THE LAST ITEM WAS TENNIS COURTS AND I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULDN'T ALLOW A TENNIS COURT ON A BIG ENOUGH LOT.
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TENNIS COURTS AND THEY'RE REALLY NICE HOUSES, NOT ME, BUT.
>> THEN THOSE TYPICALLY ARE GOING TO BE ZONE DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO.
>> THEY DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL.
>> THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE THOSE DISTRICTS.
THIS IS TYPICALLY GOING TO BE SOMETHING LARGER AND IF THE LOAD IS LARGE ENOUGH, THEN WE CAN WORK IT OUT. YEAH.
>> OKAY. WE CALL IT CONDITIONAL OR SOMETHING OR APPROVAL.
>> WE CAN WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.
>> WHICH IS NOT GOING TO COUNT THIS.
SO THIS IS LOOKING AT ACCESSORY USES OUTSIDE.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE TENNIS COURTS AND THEIR BACKYARDS.
>> THEY WOULD PROBABLY LIVE IN A LOT ZONE COMMUNITY PRESERVATION AT THAT POINT BECAUSE THE LOT SIZES ARE DIFFERENT OUT IN THOSE AREAS.
>> WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN PUT A CONDITION ON IT FOR LOTS OF A CERTAIN SIZE IF THE LOAD IS LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE A HOUSE AND A TENNIS COURT.
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>> I MEAN, I WOULD LEAVE IT TO YOU TO SAY, YEAH, THE LOTS ARE BIG ENOUGH, YOU'RE BOUNCING A BALL AROUND.
IT'S NOT GOING TO KEEP YOUR NEIGHBOR FROM SLEEPING AT NIGHT BUT MY LOT IS BIG ENOUGH RIGHT NOW THAT I COULD.
>> YOU WOULD HAVE TOO MUCH LACK COVERAGE ON YOUR LOT.
YOU DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR TENNIS COURT.
BECAUSE WE DO CONSIDER ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
AS PEOPLE ARE BUILDING THEIR HOMES.
IT'S BIG ENOUGH, IT WOULD FIT, BUT YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MEET YOUR SETBACKS AND YOU'RE LOT COVERAGE AND THAT KIND OF THING.
>> YEAH, I THINK I COULD RUN THAT SLOPE DOWN TO THE LAKE.
>> BY GUBBIO. PICKLEBALL COURT WOULD FIT
>> PAGE 4, IN THE SAME TABLE. I UNDER RECREATION GUN CLUB,6 WE LISTED S FOR DMU AND DGC, AND I THOUGHT HUH, A GUN CLUB IN DOWNTOWN THAT I UNDERSTAND IT SAYS S BUT THAT'S I QUITE CAN'T IMAGINE WE WOULD EVEN CONSIDER IT.
>> BY PUTTING IT IN A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, IF THEY DID HAVE SOME UNUSUAL SCENARIO, SUCH AS WHERE SOME OF THE WAREHOUSES WERE TALKING ABOUT GOING, BUT IT'S VERY CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN AND STILL MIGHT HAVE THAT ZONING.
IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
THAT MEANS EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED AND IMPACTS ON EVERYTHING.
IS IT PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN? I CAN'T SAY, BUT THERE WOULD BE MANY RESTRICTIONS ON THAT.
IT'S NOT LIKE SOMEONE COULD JUST COME BUILD A GUN CLUB IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
WE'RE DOWN TWO HORSES AND OTHER EQUINE.
UNDER REMEMBER THAT SECTION? AGAIN, WE'VE PRECLUDED AND IT'S BACK TO THE THING IS THE LOT BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE A HORSE? I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THREE ACRES TO HAVE A HORSE.
>> NO SIR, THAT NEEDS TO BE ZONE SOMETHING ELSE OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE HORSES OR OTHER FARM ANIMALS.
>> AS YOU DRIVE DOWN 17, THERE'S SOME HORSE STUFF THERE.
NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S PROBABLY NOT RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S.
>> PROBABLY NOT EVEN IN THE CITY.
[LAUGHTER] LET'S SEE, THERE'S ONE MORE IN SECTION 3, WAY DOWN ON PAGE 10.
THIS IS THE OPEN YARD USED FOR SALE, RENTAL OR STORAGE OF NEW USE SALVAGE MATERIALS.
THE FIRST THING THAT JUMPED OFF THE PAGE TO ME WAS THE BURNING TRASH PILE THAT WE HAD OUTSIDE OF SUN CITY.
>> THAT WAS A VERY DIFFERENT USE.
THAT WASN'T PERMITTED THROUGH THE CITY.
THAT WAS IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. I DON'T WANT [OVERLAPPING].
>> THIS NOT GOING TO ALLOW ANY OF THAT.
>> IT DOES NOT. SAYS BURNING OF MATERIALS OR PRODUCTS ON PREMISES IS PROHIBITED.
>> WELL, IT WASN'T BURNING UNTIL IT CAUGHT ON FIRE.
>> WELL, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT REQUIRE BARRIERS AND SCREENING AND THAT WAS NOT REGULATED.
WE HAVE REGULATIONS FOR, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN SRC AND WE HAVE THE FIRE MARSHAL SITS ON THAT AND THAT WILL NOT CONFIRM THAT THAT WILL NOT OCCUR FOT OUR OUTDOOR STORAGE.
>> BUT ONCE YOU APPROVE IT, THEN JOY'S RESPONSIBLE TO KEEP IT FROM BECOMING SO LARGE.
>> NO OUTDOOR STORAGE IS REGULATED BY THE FIRE CODE AS WELL AS THE BUILDING CODE OR CERTAIN PARAMETERS ON HEIGHT, WIDTH, LENGTH, AS WELL AS ACCESS TO THOSE.
AS LONG AS WE HAVE ADOPTED THE STATES LL, OR GUIDELINES ON BUILDING FIRE CODES, WE BASICALLY REGULATE THAT ACCORDING TO THEM.
>> NO BURNING TRASH PILE OUTSIDE OF SUN CITY AGAIN? [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT ONE WAS AN ANOMALY, BUT KNOW THAT ONE GOT WAY OUT OF HAND BUT THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE REGULATED.
THERE ARE CERTAIN OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THERE AS WELL AS CERTAIN BARRIERS THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE SOILS TOO TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO PENETRATION TO THE SOIL OR INFILTRATION TO THE SOIL.
>> OBVIOUSLY DON'T EVER WANT TO SEE ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE.
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>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IF SOMEBODY CAN'T DO IT.
>> I'VE GOT A QUESTION ON THAT.
ON BURNING OF MATERIALS AND PRODUCTS ON THE PREMISES.
>> THIS IS A SPECIAL CODE FOR A SPECIAL USE ON THIS.
THESE ARE USED STANDARDS THAT THAT IS PART OF THEIR SITE REVIEW AND THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BURNING ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.
>> THAT IS THROUGH THE BURNING ORDINANCE AND THE FIRE MARSHAL.
GO ON TO SECTION 4 PAGE 5 AND MY COMMENTS ON TABLE 4 NOT 3.
THE QUESTION WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING IN HERE THAT SAYS MIXED USE OR DO YOU CONSIDER MIXED USE COMMERCIAL?
>> FOR MIXED USE FOR OPEN SPACE.
WE WILL CALCULATE IT BASED ON THE USE.
IF THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT PERCENTAGE IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
IF IT'S COMMERCIAL, THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE THAT PERCENTAGE.
IF IT'S BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL LIKE LIVE WORK, WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENT.
>> THAT IS A VERY TYPICAL AND STANDARD WAY OF DOING THINGS THROUGHOUT OUR INDUSTRY.
YOU GO ABOUT TO USE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS, NOT ABOUT TO ZONING.
>> FOOLISH MIXTURES, IT WILL BE 30% REQUIREMENT.
>> WHAT CAME TO MIND AS I WAS DRIVING THROUGH RIVER PORT LOOKING AT WHERE WE WANTED TO CHANGE SOME THINGS THERE.
LET'S SEE, LET ME JUMP OVER TO PAGE 7.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THE WORD FOOT SPELLED OUT IN A COUPLE OF PLACES THERE YOU'VE PROBABLY TAKEN CARE OF THAT ALREADY.
>> TREE PROTECTION, PAGE 21 ITEM D ON THE TREE SURVEY AND THIS IS JUST A QUESTION AS OPPOSED TO A CHANGE.
LOTS OF FOLKS DO AERIAL TREE SURVEYS.
WE HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME WITH THINGS THAT COME BEFORE US IS THAT, THIS PROBABLY A JOHN QUESTION.
IS THERE A WAY THAT SOMEBODY CAN TELL HOW MANY EIGHT INCH DIAMETER TREES I HAVE BY LOOKING AT AN AERIAL SURVEY.
>> THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS BEING CLEARED UP AS WE'RE MOVING THROUGH THIS ORDINANCE AND YES, THAT HAS BEEN A PRACTICE IN THE PAST.
THERE'S GOING TO BE CERTAIN SITUATIONS WHERE THAT MAY BE A PRACTICE BUT YES, FOR THE GENERAL RULE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A MORE STRINGENT PRE-SURVEY REQUIREMENT.
YES, WE'RE NOT GOING TO RELY ON JUST SOLELY AERIALS FOR THAT THING.
THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME DOUBLE-CHECKING, BASED ON RECENT PROJECTS.
>> WELL, I GO TO SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT COME BEFORE US FOR PVDS AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE THE ONE TO WALK THROUGH THEM.
THEY'RE PRETTY DARN DENSE [OVERLAPPING] AN AERIAL SURVEY, I DON'T THINK GIVE YOU WHAT YOU WANT.
>> WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT AND WORKING WITH THE INDIVIDUAL SITES.
>> IT WOULD ONLY BE FOR PINE PLANTATION SITES.
>> YES, PINE PLANTATIONS IS WHERE THAT WAS BEING USED FOR IN THE PAST BUT ONCE YOU GET DOWN TO THOSE STANDS OF HARDWOODS OR THOSE AROUND THOSE WETLAND AREAS, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME MORE INVESTIGATION.
>> EVEN LESS DESIRABLE, DON'T TRADE [LAUGHTER] THROUGH.
I'M ON TO SECTION 7 PAGE 4 YOU SAY IN THE THIRD LINE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TELL OWNERS OF PROPERTY THAT COME BEFORE US BY MAIL SEVEN DAYS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING.
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I DON'T TRUST THE MAIL SERVICE TO NECESSARILY GET ME A NOTICE WITHIN SEVEN DAYS.PLUS IF SOMEBODY TAKES ISSUE WITH IT, THEY OUGHT TO HAVE A MINUTE OR TWO TO ARRANGE A REVOLT AMONG THEIR NEIGHBORS TO COME TALK TO US.
>> WE'VE STUDIED THIS AND LOOKED THROUGH VARIOUS JURISDICTIONS AND VARIOUS PRACTICES FROM AROUND, NOT JUST OUR AREA, BUT AROUND.
ONE THING WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL OF IS NOT EXTENDING THAT PROCESS OUT FOR OUR PURPOSES, FOR THE DEVELOPERS PURPOSES, FOR YOUR PURPOSES.
WE DO BELIEVE THAT WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT HEARINGS AND OPTIONS, THAT SEVEN DAYS IS APPROPRIATE BEFORE THIS PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE GET IT OUT AS SOON AS WE CAN.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE APPLICANTS ARE REACHING OUT TO THEM THAT THROUGHOUT OUR PROCESS, WE DO BELIEVE THIS SYSTEM WILL WORK BETTER AND I STAND BY THAT, THAT SEVEN DAY.
I THINK THAT IF YOU ADD THE 15 DAY, WE'RE PUSHING IT WAY OUT AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A BOTTLENECK OF THESE CASES AND PEOPLE.
PLUS LIKE I SAID, WE DO HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AT COUNCIL.
WE HAVE WORKSHOPS, WE HAVE THIS PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE HAVE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO GET IN FRONT OF [OVERLAPPING].
>> BY GIVING A SEVEN-DAY NOTICE, YOU'RE REALLY PUSHING PUSHBACK OUT TO A FORUM AFTER WE'VE MADE A RECOMMENDATION.
>> AS THE STATE LAW WAS WRITTEN, PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS HAVE TO GO OUT NOT FOR A PUBLIC MEETING OF WHICH THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AS WE ARE OUR ORDINANCES ARE SET UP THE PUBLIC HEARING IS AT CITY COUNCIL LEVEL.
>> AGAIN, SOMEONE WHO HAS AN ISSUE WITH SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED TO US, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR THEM BEFORE WERE ASKED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
>> I'M JUST TELLING YOU HOW WE PUT IT TOGETHER.
YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS, BUT THAT IS HOW WE LOOK AT IT AND LIKE I SAID WE DIDN'T JUST LOOK AT WHAT WE DO, WE LOOKED UNIVERSALLY.
>> NO, BECAUSE I REMEMBER WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH, ON WHAT'S NOW RIVETING POINT.
THE ROAD GOING INTO RIVETED POINT WE HAD AN ISSUE WHERE A DEVELOPER CAME IN AND THERE WAS AN INDIVIDUAL HAD A REALLY VALID COMPLAINT THAT HE DID NOT.
HE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE MEETING FROM SOMEONE ELSE BECAUSE HE DID NOT RECEIVE A MAIL NOTICE.
IF THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY IN PLACE THEY WILL BE WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE NEW COORDINATES THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING SPELLED OUT AND THERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE.
>> BUT THE ONE I WAS THINKING ABOUT WAS THAT TRACK WE APPROVED BY THE MARBLE PLACE.
THERE WAS A CHURCH AND SEVERAL HOUSES ALONG WHATEVER THAT ROAD IS AND THOSE FOLKS SAME THING ANYWAY.
>> WELL, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WHERE IS THE BACKUP GOING TO COME IF WE PUSH IT OUT TO 15 DAYS?
>> YOU KNOW WE HAVE A MEETING IS SCHEDULED OCTOBER 15TH.
WHERE'S THE BACKUP GOING TO COME IF YOU SEND THAT NOTICE OUT ON OCTOBER 1ST?
>> THE WAY IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE GETTING NOTICED WELL BEFORE YOU GET YOUR PACKET.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE STAFF OR THE EVERYTHING WE NEED IN PLACE BUT IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT IN THERE, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO ARGUE THIS WITH YOU.
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND.
>> WE HAVE A AND RIGHT NOW EVEN BY THE ADDITION OF THE WORKSHOPS WHICH ARE A WONDERFUL THING AND WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE THESE WORKSHOPS, BUT OUR PROCESSES AND ARE GETTING A SCHEDULED AND BEING HOME THING ON TIME AND GETTING EVERYTHING TO THE CLERK WHEN APPROPRIATE AND OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
IT IS A CHALLENGE AND WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON IT.
NOT A PROBLEM BUT IT JUST DOES CREATE MORE NEED FOR MORE BODIES ON OUR END, SO I'M HAPPY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD BUT I
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ALSO WANT TO BE CONSIDERATE OF EVERYONE'S TIMELINES AND EVERYONE'S.>> NOW I THINK I'M SURE THE BACKUP IS IN YOUR OFFICE. IT'S PUTTING UP.
IT'S PUTTING UP ON YOUR PROCESSES.
>> ON THE PROCESS FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT.
>> I UNDERSTAND. I DON'T KNOW. I GOT MIXED FEELINGS.
>> I DO UNDERSTAND IN THE PAST WE HAVE NOT HAD ALL THIS IN PLACE.
WE HAVEN'T HAD THE APPLICANTS DOING THIS, WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT REQUIREMENT OR THAT YOU BE ABLE TO SAY I'M SORRY, YOU DIDN'T NOTIFY WE'RE NOT LISTENING TO THIS TODAY.
YOU WILL HAVE THAT IN THE FUTURE.
>> YEAH, AND I'M CONCERNED THAT IF SOMEONE HAS AN ISSUE THAT WE HAVE A CHANCE TO UNDERSTAND IT BEFORE WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, ONLY TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY COME IN AND SAY THOSE DUMMIES ON PLANNING COMMISSION DIDN'T THINK ABOUT US. THAT'S WHERE I AM.
>> IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT MORE BURDEN ON THE PLANNING OFFICE THEN I'D LIKE TO SEE THE BURDEN TO SAY, GOOD APP PACKET TO US SOONER [LAUGHTER].
>> I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S A BURDEN TO PLANNING.
I'M SAYING YOU'RE EXTENDING THE PROCESS AND YOU'RE ADDING PEOPLE AND PROCESSES THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD TO IT AND IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON OUR DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS AROUND HERE, SO IF I'M LOOKING AT THE CITY-WIDE I'M NOT JUST NOT LOOKING AT US.
>> WHEN I SAY BURDEN I MEAN WE'LL PUT IN MORE WORK ON STAFF.
>> YOU'RE PUTTING MORE WORK ON STAFF AND AS I MENTIONED A BURDEN ON THE PROCESS AND EVERYTHING.
>> IT'S BIGGER THAN JUST THE PLANNING STAFF.
>> I THINK WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE IS A SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW.
WHETHER IT'S SEVEN DAYS OR 15 DAYS, IF THE NEIGHBOR GETS A NOTIFICATION THAT SHOWS UP IN THE MAIL THAT TELLS THEM SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO GO ON HE'S GOT A CHANCE HERE TO AT LEAST COME UP AND BRING.
HE DOESN'T HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER BIG PRESENTATION OR FIND MARSHALL THE TROOPS TO COME IN WITH HIM.
IT CAN AT LEAST COME IN ON THE NEIGHBOR, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT ME, THAT STUFF.
IT GIVES HIM A CHANCE BECAUSE THE WAY I SEE IT.
>> RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SEVEN DAYS OF AGE 50 DAYS BE GREAT, BUT IT SEEMS A LITTLE UNREASONABLE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FORGET ABOUT THE MEETING IF YOU PUT IT TOO FAR OUT.
>> BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT.
>> I CAN OVER THE SEVEN DAYS IF IT DOESN'T WORK AND WE CAN.
>> IT IS A DYNAMIC DOCUMENT AND YOU CAN AMEND IT OR ASKING FOR US A TEXT AMENDMENT EDITING POINT DOWN.
>> DEFINITELY SATISFIED WITH THE SEVEN DAYS.
IF THEY DIDN'T GET IT IN SEVEN THERE WAS THE ODDS OF THEM GETTING IT IN 30 [LAUGHTER] AND TO CREATE.
>> CREATE YOUR CHRISTMAS CARD IS GOING TO BE LATE.
>> ON THE SECTION DEALING WITH INITIAL MASTER PLANS, PAGE 11, ITEM 12, NARRATIVE ADDRESSING AND IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT YOU WANTED THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN.
I THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE SOME INFORMATION ON SIDEWALKS TO LIGHTING.
>> NO, THAT COMES INTO OPEN SPACE CALCULATIONS IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AS WELL AS THE-
>> YOU'RE SAYING THAT IN ROMAN 12A SIDEWALKS AND LIGHTING ARE PART OF THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS?
>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A LIGHTING.
>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A LIGHTING PLAN AT THAT POINT, YES.
LIGHTING PLANS COME AT THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT TIME AND ARE APPROVED THROUGH THE WHOLE SRC TEAM.
>> I'VE SEEN PLANS COME IN WITHOUT SIDEWALK.
>> BUT AND AS WE'RE REFINING THIS DOCUMENT WE ARE NOW REQUIRING THEM THAT IS.
>> CAN WE PUT THE WORD SIDEWALKS IN?
>> YEAH, IT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY BECAUSE IF IT ISN'T WRITTEN IT ISN'T HAPPENING.
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WE'LL PUT THE CONNECTIVITY PLAN BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO LIMIT IT TO SIDEWALK.THE ABILITY TO DO PATHWAYS AND OTHER, SO CONNECTIVITY PLAN WE CAN HAVE.
>> ON PAGE 16 CLOSEOUT PROCEDURES THREE, JUSTIN PARAGRAPH, DOESN'T UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE ULTIMATELY GET DID IT TO THE UTILITY? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE BEING DID IT TO THE CITY AND WE LIFT SANITARY IN THERE, BUT ISN'T THAT ULTIMATELY DID IT TO BUFORD JASPER SEWER AND WATER AUTHORITY?
>> YEAH, THIS WE NEED TO SAY THAT TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY I MEAN THEY ARE DIFFERENT AGENCIES, BUT THAT WE WERE JUST BEING ALL-INCLUSIVE.
IT'S NOT THAT LITERAL, BUT YES.
WE CAN CLEAR UP THAT LANGUAGE.
>> WAS THAT IT JUST SAYS TO THE CITY AND YOU'RE SAYING MAYBE TO THE CITY OUGHT TO SAY PUBLIC?
TRUST ME WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY SEWER ANYBODY.
>> I WOULD THINK NOT EITHER IN DRAWINGS OR OTHER FORMS. UNDER 79 ADJUSTMENTS, NUMBER A I JUST 7.9.A WOULD YOU AS THE PLANNING DIRECTOR HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO INCREASE THE DENSITY OF A PROJECT?
>> ONCE IT'S OUT THERE THE FIRST TIME IT CAN NEVER GET BIGGER.
IT CAN POTENTIALLY GET SMALLER ON YOUR DIRECTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
JUST A QUESTION ON 23 NUMBER 2, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACTIONS BY THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
IS THERE A TIME LIMIT ON HOW QUICK THEY HAVE TO ACT? I MEAN, WE'RE TOLD WE HAVE TO RESOLVE THINGS WITHIN 45 DAYS.
>> IN CERTAIN CERTAIN THINGS, IT DEPENDS ON WHICH PROCESS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH.
APPEALS IS DIFFERENT THAN VARIANCES, AND VARIANCE IS DIFFERENT FROM THE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS.
BUT THEY'RE THE FINAL DECISION-MAKING BODY AND YOU'RE NOT.
THEY ARE QUASI JUDICIAL BODY AND THEY DO NOT HAVE TO AFFORD ANYTHING TO CANCEL.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. THE STATE LAWS LOOKING AT WITH YOUR 45 DAYS INTO KEEPING THE PROCESS MOVING.
>> THE ANSWER IS NO, BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS ISN'T UNDER REQUIREMENTS LIKE THAT.
YES, THEY HAVE REQUIREMENTS THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM, BUT THAT IS MAINLY WHAT IT IS.
>> UNDER 712A, I JUST WAS CURIOUS ABOUT ENFORCEMENT OF VIOLATIONS TOO.
I UNDERSTAND EMS EDO OUTSIDE OF PDD, CODE ENFORCEMENT GETS IN THE MIX IF THERE'S AN ISSUE AND A PDD VIOLATING WHAT WAS AGREED TO, THIS CODE ENFORCEMENT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GO AFTER THEM.
>> PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS A ZONING DISTRICT, YES.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS AS THEY WENT THROUGH THIS ANOTHER TIME?
>> IN THAT CASE, WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO?
>> WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED, AND WE CERTAINLY HAVE THE RECORD FOR EVERYTHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, INCLUDING THE STORMWATER LIMIT.
IF THAT'S YOUR CHOICE OR IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANY OTHER CONDITIONS TO IT AS I MENTIONED, WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN JANUARY.
PROBABLY SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY, BUT WE WANT TO GET IT READY.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS A MEMBER THEN DISCUSSED.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AS AMENDED AND DISCUSSED.
>> BREAK. YOUR RIGHT, THEN AN HOUR AND 20 MINUTES.
>> WITH THAT, GET SOME RECORD BREAK TOO.
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>> POTENTIALLY THE FUTURE EXIT NUMBER 3. CHRIS.
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>> I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO COVER ITEMS A, B, AND C IN THIS PRESENTATION TODAY.
THIS IS FOR THE REZONING OF THE FORMER TETRA PROPERTY LOCATED NEAR EXIT 5 WITHIN AN ADJACENT TO THE HARDEEVILLE COMMERCE PARK.
IT'S A TOTAL A LITTLE OVER 38 ACRES.
[A. CONSIDERATION OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR PARCEL 030-00-02-008 FROM MIXED USE TO LIMITED INDUSTRIAL (+/- 23.41 ACRES)]
THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A REZONING OF THE PROPERTIES TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO INCORPORATE THIS PROPERTY INTO THE OVERALL GATEWAY COMMERCE PARK DEVELOPMENT.SORRY, IT'S A LITTLE BLURRY ON THIS ONE.
BUT YOU CAN SEE YOU HAVE, THIS IS ALL LIMITED INDUSTRIAL HERE, YOU HAVE RIVERPORT PDD BACK HERE, LIMITED INDUSTRIAL BACK HERE AND THEN THESE ARE ZONE MIXED USE IN GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
THEN HERE'S THE EXAMPLE OF ALL THE ZONING.
THE LIGHT PURPLE IS RIVERPORT PDD. OH, SORRY.
THEN YOU HAVE THE DARK PURPLE WHICH IS LIMITED INDUSTRIAL HERE.
THEN THIS IS ZONED GENERAL COMMERCIAL, AND THEN THIS LITTLE MIXED-USE PIECE DOWN HERE.
>> MIXED-USE IS THE TETRA, THE RED IS COMMERCIAL.
>> SORRY. [LAUGHTER] GO AHEAD. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
>> GOING TO GET ALL. [OVERLAPPING]INDUSTRIAL TOGETHER.
>> IT'S GOING TO PULL IT ALL TOGETHER IN THE MIDDLE THERE.
THEN RIGHT NOW, THIS IS PROSPER PARKWAY.
THAT SPINE ROAD THAT CUTS THROUGH THE END HERE.
WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING STRAIGHT INTO THE TETRA PROPERTY ENDS RIGHT BEFORE THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO GO BACK THERE, BUT THEY HAVEN'T PAVED NOT HAVE IT PAVED PRETTY MUCH ALL THE WAY THROUGH COMING FROM THAT WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD SIDE.
>> YOU DO HAVE TO SNEAK AROUND THE TAPE AND THERE WAS A RANDOM TIRE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD THE OTHER DAY WE HAD TO GO AROUND.
RIGHT NOW THE SITES ARE CURRENTLY ZONED FOR MIXED USE IN GENERAL COMMERCIAL, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IT ALL CHANGED LIMITED INDUSTRIAL.
THE USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ONCE AGAIN, YOU WOULD ACCESS THE PARCELS VIA THE COMMERCE PARK SPINE ROAD THAT'S NOW KNOWN AS PROSPER PARKWAY.
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RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN STEP ONE OF THE PROCESS.IF YOU APPROVE THAT WILL GO ON TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL.
STAFF DOES SUGGEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS IT DOES MEET THE MZDO ORDINANCE, THE DOES FALL IN LINE WITH THE COMMERCE PARK MASTER PLAN AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMP PLAN.
IF YOU GUYS DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION, YOU'LL NEED TO MAKE THREE SEPARATE MOTIONS TO APPROVE AND HAVE THAT UP HERE FOR YOU AS WELL.
I HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> AS QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESSES WERE LOOKING AT?
>> GOOD MORNING. I'M KEVIN FOR REGIO WITH ROI REAL ESTATE.
THE PROPERTY JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY.
THIS THE APPLICANT WE REPRESENT, I PURCHASE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO AND IT'S WORKING TOWARDS AN ASSEMBLAGE AND WORKING WITH THE CITY.
SO THERE'S ACREAGE HERE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY A PHASE ONE OF WHAT WE'RE CALLING GATEWAY COMMERCE PARK.
IT'S SOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE SITTING YOU'RE GOING TO BE SITTING RIGHT HERE ON THE ON THE I95 FRONTAGE.
ONE'S 330,000 SQUARE FEET AND ONES 115,000 SQUARE FEET OR 118,000 SQUARE FEET.
THEIR SPEC BUILDINGS DESIGNED FOR WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION AND THE IDEA IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO EXTEND THIS WOULD BE PHASE TWO ULTIMATELY.
THEY ALSO OWN THE SOUTHERN TRACK, WHICH WOULD BE A FUTURE PHASES AS WELL, SO YOU DEVELOP FROM NORTH TO SOUTH.
>> IT LOOKS LIKE DISTRIBUTION WAREHOUSES?
THINK I SAW THE TWO BUILDINGS GOING UP BECAUSE I WAS DRIVING DOWN THAT UNIMPROVED ROAD.
>> YES, SO THERE'S A FRONTAGE ROAD HERE THAT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC USING AND THEN THE MAIN ACCESS AND ENTRANCES THROUGH PROSPER PARKWAY.
AS CHRIS MENTIONED, RIGHT NOW THE ROAD ENDS HERE, OBVIOUSLY, THE IDEA IS FOR IT TO CONTINUE AND EXTEND FURTHER SOUTH, SERVE THE PROJECTS.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, STEVE?
>> LIGHT OR NOT, BUT THE IMPACT OF THE ENTRANCE IS WHAT YOU'RE USING TO ALL IN THE DIRT, THEY'RE COMING THROUGH HUMMINGBIRD LANE.
IT IS DESTROYED AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.
WE HAVE ROOT OF POTHOLES THIS DEEP NOW AND NOBODY SEEMS TO. THE ONLY CONCERN.
>> THE CITY. JERRY MCMAHON, OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS PROJECT MANAGER IS CERTAINLY WORKING ON THAT.
WE ARE LOOKING TO ALL THE DIFFERENT RESOURCES INCLUDING ROI AND SEVERAL OTHERS, AS WELL AS OTHER WORKS.
WE'RE LOOKING TO FIND THE BEST SOLUTIONS FOR THAT AND PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE.
I HOPE THAT HELPS ANSWER THAT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT WE ARE VERY AWARE OF NOT ONLY POTHOLES, BUT ALSO OF THE MUD AND EVERYTHING ON THE ROADWAYS AND EAT.
>> REMOVE THE PAD DOWN THERE, PUTTING THE ROCK PAD DOWN IF IT WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO STOP SIGN BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS TRYING [NOISE] TO CONSIDER THAT AS A YIELD AND ANYBODY COMING DOWN TO MAIN ROAD IS SUPPOSED TO STOP FOR THEM [NOISE] A VERY HAZARDOUS ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW.
>> WE'LL PASS THAT ALONG TO ALL OF THEM.
>> IS THE CITY RESPONSIBLE FOR HUMMINGBIRD LANE THEN?
>> THE CITY DID EXCEPT AT RIGHT-OF-WAY A FEW YEARS AGO, AS WELL AS THAT OF OF COMMERCE. PROSPER WAY.
>> THE CITY NEEDS TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR RODS, I GUESS WRECK.
>> THE CITY IS WORKING WITH GETTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO HELP US WITH THAT [LAUGHTER].
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO ATTAIN WITH EXIT THREE.
EXIT THREE IS A LONG WAY OFF, LONG WAY OFF.
ONCE THESE BUILDINGS GET BUILT AND THEY START BEING OCCUPIED, WOULDN'T BE PUTTING A LOT OF TRUCKS ON 17.
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BECAUSE IT'S EXIT THREE IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TOMORROW IS WHAT I'M GETTING HERE.>> WOULD THE EXPECTED, THE EGRESS AND INGRESS BE PROSPER PARKWAY? IS THAT THE THOUGHT FOR NOW?
>> CORRECT. THERE IS A CHANCE THAT FRONTAGE ROAD BECOMES COULD SERVE AS WELL DOWN INTO THE SITE TO DISPERSE TRAFFIC AS WELL.
THERE IS AN EASEMENT THAT RUNS ALONG THERE BUT THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED.
>> BECAUSE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON THIS NEW PROSPER WAY JUST DUMP EVERYBODY RIGHT IN DOWNTOWN PARTY.
>> THERE'S NO PLANS TO PUT AN ENTRANCE OFF FROM 17.
>> I STARTED, THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES, THE MAIN ENTRANCE,.
>> I'M SAYING OFF 17, THERE'S NO PLANS TO DO AN ENTRANCE TO THE NEXT ONE OFF 17.
>> YOU'VE GOT I95, BASICALLY ADJACENT, SO AND YOU'VE GOT THE RAIL THAT RUNS TO THE WEST.
YOU'RE ONLY ACCESS POINTS ARE HERE, WHICH IT GETS RIGHT.
>> PAVING ACROSS THE FIVE AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS TO GET DOWN TO 17 ON HARRISBURG.
LONG WAY OFF TOO. RICK, ANYTHING ELSE?
>> NOR DO I. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, AMEND OR REJECT?
>> I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PARTIAL 103000200-002-008, CURRENT COMMERCIAL TO FROM CURRENT ZONING, TO LIMITED INDUSTRIAL.
>> SOME OF THOSE CAN DO THE SECOND ONE.
>> I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM MIXED USE TO LIMIT
[B. CONSIDERATION OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR PARCEL 030-00-02-032 FROM MIXED USE TO LIMITED INDUSTRIAL (+/- 12.38 ACRES)]
INDUSTRIAL FOR PRIOR SO 030-00-02-032.>> YOUR HONOR. ROLL JEFF AND I MOVED.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF
[C. CONSIDERATION OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR PARCEL 030-00-02-033 FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO LIMITED INDUSTRIAL (+/- 2.38 ACRES)]
THE PROPOSED ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR MIXED USE AND TO ELIMINATE INDUSTRIAL FOR PARCEL 030-00-02-033.>> ALL THREE MOTION'S CARRIED.
>> IT IS. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CONSIDERING A MODIFICATION TO THE PDD AMENDMENT FOR RIVER PORT.
[D. CONSIDERATION OF A PLANNED DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT FOR THE RIVERPORT PLANNED DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT (+/- 5,136.83 ACRES)]
BRANDON, I GUESS YOU'VE GOT THIS ONE.>> YES, SIR. AGAIN, GOOD MORNING, I GUESS AND LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT PROSPER PARKWAY AS IT AFFECTS RIVER PORT AND EXIT THREE AND ALL OF THAT CONVERSATION AND YES, YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT IS A COUPLE OF YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, BUT EXIT THREE IS A LOT CLOSER NOW THAN IT HAS BEEN AND THEY ARE PLANNING TO DO IT WITH THE WIDENING OF OUR 95 AND THAT IS STARTING.
>> PLAINTIFFS FOR NEXT DECEMBER.
>> I AM AGAIN WITH THIS THING.
I DON'T KNOW WHY I HAVE TO TURN IT OFF AND ON.
I DO. WHAT DID I DO? THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER] I'M HAVING A DAY, ME AND TECHNOLOGY.
THIS IS A REPORT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE SECOND AMENDED AND RESTATED VERSION OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING AT AMENDING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THAT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED AT COUNCIL.
SAME TIME, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RIVERPORT PARKWAY EXIT 3, PURRYSBURG ROAD.
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ALL COMES THAT DOWN TO 17 TO THE SOUTH, WHERE 5,136 ACRES IT IS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITH RESIDENTIAL, INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, CIVIC.THE PROJECT CITING IT IS THIS YELLOW PROJECT, GOES ALL THE WAY FROM FROM SOUTH DOWN BY ALLIGATOR ALLEY, ALL THE WAY BACK UP TO ABOVE HONEY HILL ROAD, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY.
PHASE 1 AND 2 ARE BEING DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW DOWN IN THE SOUTH AREA WHERE WASTE MANAGEMENT, AS WELL AS ALL OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE IN RIVERPORT PARKWAY HAS BEEN BUILT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, AND ALSO WE HAVE A FIRE STATION AT FOR RTL FIRE STATION DOWN THERE.
IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT, THEIR CONSTRUCTION IS HAPPENING CONSTANTLY AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
THIS IS VERY CLOSE TO THE SAVANNAH PORT AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LEARNING IS A BIG DRAW FOR THE AREAS SERVING THAT PORT.
WANT TO GO AHEAD AND THROW UP THE PLANS FOR EXIT 3 BECAUSE EVERY DAY IT'S GETTING A LITTLE CLOSER AND SO THAT'S GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
IT'S ONE OF THE VERSIONS BECAUSE THE ACTUAL FINAL VERSION, BUT THEY KEEP GROWING, AND EXIT 3 WILL BE BUILT AS THEY START WITH THE WIDENING, STARTING AT ZERO AND MOVING TOWARDS EXIT 8.
THIS WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2009, AMENDED IN 2013.
AS I'VE SHOWED YOU THERE, PHASE 1 AND 2 ARE CURRENTLY UNDER DEVELOPMENT.
AS A NEED FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF EXIT 3.
THE OWNERS OF RIVERPORT HAVE DETERMINED THAT SOME OF THOSE LAND USE IS AROUND AND EXIT 3 AND ABOVE EXIT TO THE NORTH OF EXIT 3 DO NEED TO BE ADJUSTED SOMEWHAT.
ALSO, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE, AS WE MENTIONED, THAT ROADWAY THAT RUNS [NOISE] FROM EXIT 3 BACK OVER TO 17, WHICH WILL BE PROSPER PARKWAY.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
FORMALLY ABOVE EXIT 3, FOR THE MOST PART, IT WAS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL.
THEY ARE PUTTING IN A CONVERSION PROCESS HERE.
THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THAT LIMITED INDUSTRIAL NEED TO FEEL THAT NEED.
THEY ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT A DEDICATION.
I'M AN ADDITIONAL THREE ACRES OF LAND FOR SECOND PUBLIC SAFETY SITE THAT WILL BE LOCATED NORTH OF 95 TO AT A MUTUALLY AGREED UPON.
>> I ASSUME THAT'S ANOTHER FIREHOUSE.
> TYPICALLY THEY HAVE A FIREARM POLICE SUBSTATION. LIKE 84.
WE ALSO HAVE CLEANED UP SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN A LOT OF THE PDDS, REMOVING THOSE MZDO EXEMPTIONS AND SPELLING THEM OUT SO THAT WE'RE VERY CLEAR ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THERE.
THAT'S THE CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN AS IT'S BEING PROPOSED CURRENTLY.
THE ANALYSIS IS, AS WE MENTIONED, CITY IS VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT NOT ONLY PUBLIC SAFETY SITE, BUT THAT ROADWAY CONNECTING BETWEEN WE RIVERPORT PARKWAY AND 17 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES RECOMMEND CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN PARCELS AS APPROPRIATE.
AS I SAID, THIS COULD BE CONSIDERED WITH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THIS DOES MEET ALL ASPECTS OF EVERYTHING.
THERE WERE SO MANY THINGS ON THE COMP PLAN THAT WE COULD HAVE QUOTED ON THOSE JUST SUPPORTING THE DEVELOPMENT OF RIVERPORT.
YOU KNOW THE PROCESS, AND OUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR YOU TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IN MASTER PLAN WITH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS AS WELL.
>> STARTING ON MY RIGHT, RICK, ANYTHING?
>> LET ME UNDERSTAND WHERE SOME OF THE INITIAL STUFF AROUND THE EXIT 3 AREA WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE PDD AS RESIDENTIAL.
>> THAT WAS TYPICALLY COMMERCIAL RIGHT AROUND EXIT 3, BUT ABOVE IT WAS MORE RESIDENTIAL AND THEY WANT TO MOVE THAT BUSINESS PARK COMMERCIAL UP A LITTLE BIT.
>> THAT THEY'RE PUSHING INTO RESIDENTIAL INTO WHAT WOULD BE CALLED A MIXED-USE AREA. I GUESS?
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>> THAT'S THE AREA WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, AND WHEN I DROVE OUT THERE, I JUST DIDN'T SEE THAT AS BEING A GREAT PLACE FOR A BUNCH OF NEW RESIDENTIAL IN LIEU OF ALL THE WAREHOUSING AND STUFF THAT WE'RE PLANNING AROUND THERE THAT MAYBE IT WAS A GOOD IDEA 15 YEARS AGO.
BUT NOW THE RESIDENTIAL SEEMS TO BE MOVING EAST.
IT'S PROBABLY A BETTER PLACE FOR RESIDENTIAL THAN IN HERE.
THERE'S NOT MUCH UP THERE NOW.
THERE'S SOME PRIVATE RESIDENCES.
THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD CHANGE FOR US.
>> IGNORE. YOU SUMMARIZED IT VERY WELL.
>> LOOKING AT IT, IT IT IT RUNS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ALLIGATOR ALLEY.
WELL, JUST BELOW ALLIGATOR ALLEY, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT WE APPROVED FOR WAREHOUSING. I THINK.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT WHOLE CARD OR DISTRIBUTION CENTERS.
THE MORE BUSINESS WE CAN DRAW FROM GEORGIA, THE BETTER.
>> BUT TO BE FAIR ABOUT IT, NOT TRANSPARENT.
IT'S STILL COULD END UP AS RESIDENTIAL NORTH OF 95.
>> YEAH. YOU'VE GOT AN OPTION THE WAY YOU WRITE.
>AS YOU NOTICE AS YOU MOVE NORTH, THE CHURCH STREET IS RESIDENTIAL.
DIDN'T WANT TO MISLEAD ANYBODY.
IT'S JUST GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY.
FRANKLY, THROUGHOUT THIS ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING PROCESS IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER TRACKS TO CITE BIGGER BUSINESSES ON.
>> ANYBODY ELSE? WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS FOR OPENING UP THE PDD FOR A MODIFICATION BY DOING THIS.
ONE THING THAT IS, I'VE FOUND AS BEING A DEFICIENCY IN THE PDD NOW IS THE ADJACENCY TO ROUTE 17, THAT MOST RECENT WAREHOUSE IN SECTION 1, I THINK IT IS IS LIKE LAYS ON THE STREET.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PDD SAYS 50 FOOT BUFFER.
>> YEAH. I'M THINKING THAT REALLY ISN'T ENOUGH FOR THESE MONSTER 50-FOOT TALL BUILDINGS, THAT WE REALLY OUGHT TO HAVE A LARGER SETBACK FOR THOSE LARGER BUFFER IS TOO LATE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT WAREHOUSE.
BUT I THINK EVEN IF WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT HERE, IN THE FUTURE WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT PRESENTATION.
>> YOU CAN ASK THESE IMPS COME IN FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH THEY WILL HAVE TO DO.
THAT IS FOR YOUR TIME WHEN YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT.
>> I JUST PERSONALLY SAW THAT AS A REAL ERROR ON OUR PART.
>> I WATCHED IT GOING UP AND I THINK THE WAY THEY POSITIONED IT WAS THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY COULD DO IT.
>> IT WAS A TOUGH PIECE TO DO.
BUT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THERE'S LANDSCAPING THAT'S BEEN ADDED BACK IN THE AREA AND PLANNING.
>> I KNOW, BUT THAT'S A 50-FOOT BUILDING LAYING ON THE ROAD ESSENTIALLY, AND IT'S REALLY NOT.
>> IT'S NOT AS UGLY AS THE STORAGE.
>> THAT WAS 71 AGAIN, BECAUSE THAT'S THE REAR OF THE BUILDING TO NOT MAKE THAT SITUATION EXCUSE IT, BUT THINKING ABOUT GOING UP THE PARKWAY BECAUSE THAT REALLY IS THE ONLY AREA THAT TOUCHES 17 GOING UP THE PARKWAY, OR NORTH, YOU'LL BE ON REPORT PARKWAY AND YOU ALREADY CAN SEE HOW THOSE BUILDINGS LAY OUT FRONT FACING.
WILL BE PUSHED BACK A LITTLE FURTHER.
>> THIS IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE.
I KNOW NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT BUILDING, AND THE REST OF THEIR PARCEL DOESN'T REALLY FRONT 17 PER SE.
WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED OTHER PDDS.
THERE'S TWO OTHERS WE'VE APPROVED IN THAT GENERAL AREA.
OTHER THAN THAT, I'M FINE WITH THE CHANGE.
>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CONSIDERATION OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT IN DISTRICT AMENDMENT FOR RIVERPORT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
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>> I'LL SECOND THAT IF THAT'S SUFFICIENT.
>> NOW, WE HAVE CONSIDERATION FOR AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN
[E. CONSIDERATION OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR PARCELS 042-00-05-055 & 042-00-05-050 KNOWN AS MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE MULTIFAMILY LOCATED ON MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE (COASTAL LAND TRACT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT)]
FOR A MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY ALONG MEDICAL CENTER, DRIVE AND I GUESS KATIE, YOU GET THE HONORS.>> USUALLY I GET TO SIT BACK AND WATCH EVERYBODY ELSE PRESENT THIS WAS NICE.
YES YOU HAVE A INITIAL MASTER PLAN PROPOSAL FOR A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT LOCATED IN THE COASTAL LAND TRACK PDD, WHICH IS NEAR THE HOSPITAL.
THE SITE IS 26 ACRES AND AS ADJACENT TO THE HOTELS, THE HAMPTON INN, THE FAIR FIELD INN, AND COASTAL CAROLINA HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE.
HERE'S A ARIEL HERE SHOWING THE PROPERTY OUTLINE AND THEN YOU HAVE THE HOSPITAL AND THE TWO HOTELS ON BROOKS WILLIS DRIVE HERE IN EXIT E. IS CURRENTLY VACANT AND UNDEVELOPED AGAIN THESE ARE THE THIS IS THE PARCEL ITSELF HERE, AND THEN IT IS ADJACENT TO THESE HOTELS.
IN YOUR PACKET YOU HAVE THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN DOCUMENT SHOWS THE LAYOUT OF THE MULTIFAMILY USE RIGHT HERE, AND THEN THE POST FUTURE COMMERCIAL USE IT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE HAMPTON INN.
THERE ARE THREE ACCESS POINTS, TWO FOR THE MULTIFAMILY PARCELS AND ONE FOR THE COMMERCIAL PARCEL PROPOSED AT THIS TIME, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT WE HAVE ASKED THE APPLICANT AND THEY HAVE AGREED TO TIE INTO THE SIDEWALK THAT THE CITY RECENTLY INSTALLED SO THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE A CONTINUOUS PATHWAY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE INTERSECTION OF 278 AND MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE, SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE COMMERCIAL USES AND WE HAVE THE RESTAURANTS AND THE HOTELS RIGHT THERE AS WELL AS THE HOSPITAL.
>> WHAT OF TACO BELL? [LAUGHTER]
>> MAXIMUM OF 360 MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT UNITS.
AGAIN THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND-USE ELEMENT AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ELEMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES ENCOURAGE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS, PROVIDES OPPORTUNITY FOR HOUSING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE HOSPITAL, SCHOOL, HOTELS AND I95, INCREASED ACCESS TO LOCAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED THOSE NOT ONLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE RIVER PORT AND THE 17 CORRIDOR, BUT ALSO WITH THE HOSPITAL AND THE SCHOOL RIGHT THERE.
THEN REDUCE THE OVERALL COMMUTING DISTANCE AND COST FOR RESIDENTS AS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT ENCOURAGES.
THE PROPOSED OPEN SPACE AND CONNECTIVITY PLAN, I ALREADY TOUCHED ON THAT, THE PDD DOES REQUIRE A 25 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED, THEY ARE EXCEEDING THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE SETBACK FROM THE INTERNAL ROAD AND THEN THE OPEN SPACE, COASTAL LAND TRACK PDD REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 50% FOR MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS, THIS DOES EXCEED THAT REQUIREMENT THERE'S NO MINIMUM FOR ACTIVE OPEN SPACE AND THE PDD.
THEY ARE HERE FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN THEY'LL GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOLLOWED BY SRC FOR THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT BASED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE COASTAL LAND TRACK PDD, STAFF DOES SUGGEST THAT PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS PRESENTED AND AT THIS TIME ON, I'D LIKE CONNOR BLENING FROM WARD EDWARDS TO COME UP WITH ANYTHING ELSE THAT HE'D LIKE TO ADD.
>> GOOD MORNING, CONNOR BLENING WITH WARD EDWARD ENGINEERING.
I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER BEHIND THIS PROJECT, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU, KATIE FOR AN EXCELLENT SUMMARY OF THIS, I THINK THAT REALLY CAPTURES THE ESSENCE OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE IN THIS INITIAL MASTER PLAN, THE DEVELOPER IS HILL POINT THEY ARE A ESTABLISHED ENTITY WITH AN EXISTING PRODUCTS THROUGHOUT THE EAST COAST, PRIMARILY IN MULTIFAMILY COMPLEXES WITH SEVERAL UNDER DESIGN AND PERMANENT INDIRECTLY IN THIS AREA INCLUDING DIFFERENT JASPER COUNTY.
HOPEFULLY THIS WILL HELP SUPPORT THE EVER-GROWING NEED
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OF ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL USES HERE.THE LAND PLAN IS IN THE COASTAL LAND TRACK, PDD CONFORMS TO THAT BUT WAS LAID OUT IN A MANNER TO HOPEFULLY PROMOTE AND MAXIMIZE INTER CONNECTIVITY AND OPEN SPACE, WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE.
>> IT NEEDS A BOOKING TO BE WORKFORCE HOUSING.
>> HILL POINT SPECIALIZES IN A QUALITY RESIDENTIAL, MULTI-FAMILY UNIT THAT HAS AN AGGRESSIVE PRICE POINT TO THE MARKET THAT THEY FOLLOW.
>> BASICALLY WE'RE TALKING MOM AND DAD BOTH WORKING
>> I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO THE DEVELOPMENT TARGET MARKETS.
>> HEAR ME THROUGH IN THIS. LET'S SAY ONE-AND-A-HALF COST PER UNIT.
THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT YOU'RE DUMPING OUT ONTO AN ALREADY CONGESTED INTERSECTION.
>> WE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO SDOT ABOUT THIS AND WITH THE WIDENING OF I95, THAT INTERSECTION IS GOING TO BE RELOCATED AND IMPROVED, THEY WILL BE SHIFTED DOWN THE WAY SO THAT THE SIGNAL WILL NOT BE SO CLOSE TO THAT INTERSTATE AND THAT WILL HELP WITH THE TRAFFIC FLOWS, SO THIS PROJECT IS THAT IN MIND AND IT IS GOING TO AGAIN SHIFT DOWN.
>> WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE STARTING THIS PROJECT?
>> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE DEVELOPER WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH CONSTRUCTION INITIATION UPON APPROVAL, THE APPROVAL PROCESS, ESPECIALLY WITH STD RIGHT NOW, IS TAKING CLOSE TO A YEAR, SO AT MINIMUM WE'RE LIKE A YEAR.
>> YOU GOT TO START HE DESIGN AFTER WE APPROVE THIS THEN YOU GO TO D HECK.
>> WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY STARTING WITHIN 18-24 MONTHS?
I'M GOING TO BE DUST BEFORE THAT'S COMPLETED.
I UNDERSTAND THE RECONSTRUCTION OF 95 AND EXIT 5 AND EXIT 8 AND EXIT 3, BUT THAT'S A LONG WAY DOWN THE ROAD THAT'S NOT GOING TO COME IMMEDIATELY.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE PEOPLE LIVING HERE COMING OUT THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION THAT'S ALREADY CONGESTED AND I JUST HAVE CONCERNS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT POSSIBLY A DIFFERENT ENTRANCE AND EXIT.
WHERE IT SITS I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT.
BUT I'M CONCERNED WITH TRAFFIC AT THAT INTERSECTION.
>> VALID CONCERNS THE FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS, THAT'S GOING TO BE GREAT, THAT'S GOING TO HELP SAFETY, IT'S GOING TO HELP EVERYTHING.
>> LIKE I SAID I'M GOING TO BE DUST BEFORE YOU SEE THAT.
>> THE WAY THIS WAS LAID OUT WAS THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO ACCESS THAT PROPERTY AND IT'S ON MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE.
WE TRIED TO PROPOSE MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS TO ALLEVIATE THE TRAFFIC, STAY WELL UNDER THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED DENSITY IN THE SUPERSEDING PDD AND THEN WE BROUGHT IN A TRAFFIC ENGINEER WHO STUDIED THE INTERSECTIONS AND ALL OF THESE ROADS IN THAT INTERSECTION IS OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY SCDOT, SO THERE ARE PARTY TO THE REVIEW AND WILL ENSURE THAT ALL PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT NOT ONLY CONFORMS TO THEIR STANDARDS, BUT ADHERES TO BOTH EXISTING CONDITIONS AS WELL AS PLANNING FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
>> I JUST DON'T GET WARM FUZEES ON IT THAT'S ALL.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT DEVELOPMENT, DON'T GET ME WRONG.
>> I AGREE WITH IT. THAT IS DEFINITELY A VALID CONCERN OF THE SAFETY.
THERE'S A LOT ACCIDENTS LIKE NOW AS WE SPEAK, THERE WAS PROBABLY THREE THIS WEEK BUT DOT IS GOING TO DO THEIR JOB AND WE'LL TRY TO DO OURS.
WHERE DOES THE STORM WATER FOR THIS PROPERTY GO?
>> WHAT IS SHADED IN BLUE ON THE EXHIBIT IS PROPOSED AS STORM WATER BMPS MOST LIKELY TO BE WET DETENTION.
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YOU CAN SEE A LARGE HATCHED AREA BISECTING THE TWO PROPERTIES, THOSE ARE ISOLATED DELINEATING WETLANDS, THAT IS THE LOW POINT OF THE PROPERTY.WE TRIED TO PRIMARILY LOCATE THE STORM WATER PONDS PRIOR TO THE COLLECTION OF ANY STORM WATER RUNOFF IN THE WETLANDS.
>> YOU HAVE TWO HOTELS ADJACENT TO IT?
>> HOW DO YOU GET THE WATER PAST THE HOTELS?
>> WHEN I LOOKED AT THE FLOW ARROWS, THE FLOW IS SOUTHBOUND.
>> WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING IS DESIGNING THE PONDS TO COLLECT ANY RUNOFF FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AND IF IT'S NOT GOING THERE NATURALLY, WE WILL COLLECT IT THROUGH MEANS OF INLETS TO ROUTE IT TO THOSE PONDS WHICH WILL DISCHARGE TO THE WETLANDS AT A RATE LESS THAN THAT OF AN UNDEVELOPED EXISTING CONDITION STATE.
THEN THEY WILL FOLLOW THE EXISTING FLOW PATHS THAT GO THROUGH THE WETLANDS INTO MEDICAL CENTER DRIVES STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CONTINUES OUT TO THE WEST.
>> YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE WETLAND IS NOT GOING TO SPILL OVER INTO THE TWO HOTELS?
>> THERE ARE SOME OTHER WAY YOU HAVE TO GET THE WATER AWAY?
>> THE AREAS OF THE BLUE HIGHLIGHTED A THREE LARGE POND ALL THE RUNOFF FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, ALL THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE WILL BE ROUTED TO THOSE PONDS.
>> THOSE PONDS WILL BE BURNED UP SUCH THAT THE WATER WILL STAGE UP HIGH INTO THOSE PONDS, AND THEN DISCHARGE INTO THE WETLANDS AT A RATE LESS THAN THAT OF AN UNDEVELOPED CONDITION.
THOSE PONDS WILL RISE AND RETAIN THE STORM WATER.
>> WE GET A BIG STORM, PONDS FILL, RUNS INTO THE WETLANDS.
WHERE DOES IT GO WHEN IT COMES OUT OF THE WETLAND? NOT ON MY HOTEL, I HOPE.
>> NO. WHAT IT DOES IS IT ACTUALLY HEADS DOWN SOUTH TO MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE IS EXISTING DITCHES AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
>> YOU ARE SAYING IT'S COMING DOWN HERE SOMEHOW?
>>YES, IT DOES FLOW IN THAT DIRECTION NATURALLY.
>> THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ENGINEERED INTO THIS AS THEY WERE BUILDING THE HOTELS TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE ALL THOSE ANTICIPATED STORM WATER.
>> YES. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO REDIRECT ANY STORM WATER.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO TREAT AND HOLD THE STORM WATER TO THEN RELEASE IT ALONG ITS EXISTING FLOW PATHS AT A RATE LESS THAN THAT IT EXISTS TODAY.
>> THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE IS THE TRAFFIC STUDY IN THE CONCLUSIONS RECOMMENDED LEFT TURN LANES OR DRIVEWAYS TWO AND THREE.
IT DIDN'T SAY SPECIFICALLY IS THE LEFT TURN LANE ON MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE OR IS IT IN THE ROAD THAT EMPTIES OUT ONTO MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE.
>> IT'S ACTUALLY A TURN LANE THAT'S INCORPORATED INTO MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE THAT WILL HAVE A TAPER AND STACKING LANE SUCH THAT IF YOU'RE WAITING TO TURN INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU WON'T BE CAUSING ANY TYPE OF HOLDING UP QUEUING ALONG.
>> THE LEFT TURN LANE IS ON MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE.
THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU.
>> IS FDOT APPRISED OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO?
>> YES. THEY'VE APPROVED THE PROPOSED APPROACH AND AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AFTER THESE MEETINGS.
IF ALL GOES WELL, IT WILL THEN PROCEED TO FORMAL DESIGN AND ENCROACHMENT PERMITS THROUGH SEDOT.
>> I'VE NO MORE QUESTIONS. FRIDAY. WILL THE REBUILD OF 95 AND THOSE RAMPS AND EXIT AID HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THIS PARCEL?
>> THIS DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSED AND ARE WORKING CONDITION OF EXISTING CONDITIONS.
THE PLANNED PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, AS THEY ARE CURRENTLY DESIGNED AND PROPOSE, WILL NOT IMPACT THIS.
IT'S ALL SOUTH CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION BUT WILL ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC CONCERNS.
>> WHAT FIREHOUSES IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS?
>> YES, BUT THAT IS CONSTANTLY IN FLUX AS WE GET THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND CHIEF CAMP AND CITY MANAGEMENT AND CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE ALWAYS LOOKING AT WHAT THE NEW OPTIONS ARE GOING TO BE AND WHERE NEW STATIONS WILL BE LOCATED.
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>> I'M GUESSING THE TRAVEL TIMES GOT TO BE 7, 8 MINUTES TO GET UP HERE.
>> THAT'S WHY THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE THAT ARE OVERLAPS.
I CAN'T SPEAK DIRECTLY, BUT IT MAY BE A STATIONARY ONE.
IT MAY BE A STATION 83, BUT THEY DO CONSIDER ALL THAT, BUT WHEN BEFORE THEY APPROVE DEVELOPMENT, WE ALREADY HAVE THE HOTEL'S RIGHT THERE.
THIS IS RIGHT BESIDE THAT. THIS WILL BE THE SAME SAME COVERAGE IS.
>> PRETTY GOOD DISTANCE FROM BOTH THE FIREHOUSES.
>> THEY TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION AND THEY HAVE THAT WORKED OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PROVE ANYTHING THAT WILL IMPAIR OUR ISO RATING OF A TWO.
>> YEAH, I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP. ON YOUR FIRST EXIT.
THAT'S ACROSS FROM THE ENTRANCE INTO THE HOSPITAL?
>> THAT'S FOR THE FAST FOOD PLACE.
HAVE YOU DECIDED WHAT'S GOING ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY ASSUMED A FAST FOOD PLACE.
>> WE WANTED THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO ASSUME A VERY HIGH TO BE ABLE TO SHOW A MULTITUDE OF USES THAT IS NOT DETERMINED AT THIS TIME.
I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE A TRAFFIC LOAD LESS THAN THAN WHAT WAS ASSUMED IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
>> I THOUGHT MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY DID THAT.
IN THIS PLACE, YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE FOR APARTMENT SIZES, 1, 2, 3 BEDROOMS, SOME PERCENTAGE MIX.
>> HILL POINT IS A PRODUCT THAT SPECIALIZES IN AND CURRENTLY ONLY DOING TWO BEDROOM UNITS.
SO EVERY SINGLE PROPOSED UNIT, IS IT TWO BEDROOM HOUSE.
>> I DID NOT KNOW THAT I SAW ON YOUR PARKING YOU HAD 720 SPACES.
IS THERE ANY VISITOR PARKING SHOWN ANYWHERE IN HERE? I DIDN'T SEE IT.
>> THERE WILL BE PARKING AROUND THE CLUBHOUSE.
THE OVERALL 720 IS BASED ON A 2:1 UNIT TO PARKING RATIO.
THAT SAYS THAT DEVELOPMENT AS THE WHOLE.
BUT AS FAR AS THE PLACEMENT IN DISTRIBUTION OF THOSE 720 PARKING STALLS, WE HAVE TRIED TO ALLOCATE STALLS AROUND AND IN FRONT OF SOME OF THE AMENITIES, BUT THAT'S NOT SUPPLEMENTAL OR SEPARATE PARKING. IT'S ALL INCORPORATED.
>> IF YOU LOOK IN THE AREA WHERE THERE'S PURPLE, WHERE THERE'S THE CLUBHOUSE IF YOU GO IMMEDIATE NORTH AND THAT LARGE TRIANGLE AT TOP LEFT IS SHADED AS A MILK KIOSK.
>> RIGHT THERE. WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN OR WHAT DOES HELP POINT HAVE IN MIND FOR AMENITIES? IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY ALTHOUGH THERE ARE THE FEW OPEN SPACES THERE FOR GAMES, BUT IS THERE A POOL?
>> SPECIFIC AMENITIES WILL BE REFINED THROUGH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT I CAN SAY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AT MINIMUM, THEY WOULD HAVE A CLUBHOUSE AND A POOL ON THAT CLUBHOUSE TYPICALLY HAS AMENITIES SUCH AS GYM, EQUIPMENT, OFFICE SPACE WITH WI-FI AND OTHER COMMON AMENITIES, YOU SEE AN APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
HOW MUCH ACTIVE OPEN SPACE IS PROVIDED HERE? IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING.
IF I TOTAL UP THE PLAYFIELD, THAT'S MAYBE 1.7% OF THE TOTAL UPLAND AREA.
>> THE 1.7% IS JUST THE PURPLE HIGHLIGHTED POCKET PARKS, BUT ALL THE AREAS THAT ARE GREEN SPACE AND HAVE SIDEWALKS INTERCONNECTING AND MEANDERING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD ALL BE COUNTED TOWARDS ACTIVE OPEN SPACE.
WE DIDN'T SEPARATE THAT PERCENTAGE BECAUSE THE PDD, WE WROTE IT TO MATCH THE COASTAL LAND TRACK PDD, WHICH DOESN'T SEPARATE ACTIVE VERSUS NON-ACTIVE OPEN SPACE.
WE DID IT AS AN OPEN SPACE TO MY NECK.
>> BUT AS I LOOK AT THE MZDO UNDERSTAND IT AND APPLY TO THIS, THERE WOULD BE AN OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT OF ACTIVE OPEN SPACE, 10% OR SO.
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THE FIELDS GIVE YOU 1.7, BUT THAT AIN'T MUCH.>> WE HAVE NOT, I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT AS SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION, BUT I'M ALSO CONFIDENT THAT IT WOULD EXCEED WHAT'S REQUIRED IN THE MCDO.
>> TRUST, BUT VERIFY BEFORE IT GOES TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT STORM FLOW INTO THE WETLANDS.
YOU HAVE ONE CONNECTION TO THE SANITARY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SECTION, ONE FOR THE COMMERCIAL.
I JUST WONDERED WHY YOU DON'T HAVE A SECOND TIE POINTS SAY UP AT YOUR OTHER ENTRANCE TO LOOP IT IS WHAT I'M ASKING.
>> THAT IS COMMON PRACTICE FOR PRESSURIZED LINES, SO THE WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM AND WORKING WITH BJAWS SAY WE'RE PROPOSING TWO POINTS OF CONNECTION TO LOOP THE SYSTEM.
>> YES. BUT FOR THE SEWER, IT ALL FLOWS THROUGH GRAVITY, NOT A PRESSURIZED SYSTEM. WE HAVE A SINGLE POINT.
>> ONCE YOU HAVE A THOUGHT THEY'D DISCUSSED A LIFT STATION DOCUMENTS.
>> WE THOUGHT AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN AND DUE DILIGENCE THAT ILLUSTRATION WOULD BE NEEDED, BUT IN COORDINATING WITH BJAWS SAY AND REQUESTING THE DEPTH OF THE GRAVITY SEWER NEAR THE HOTELS, WE FOUND THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO RUN GRAVITY SEWER TO SERVICE THIS DEVELOPMENT THROUGH GRAVITY SEWER WITHOUT THE NEED OF A LIFT STATION.
>> THAT'S A PRESSURIZED LINE IN MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE.
>> THERE IS A FORCE MAIN ALONG MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE WHICH WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO TIE INTO, AND INSTEAD THE GRAVITY SEWER NEAR THE HOTELS.
WE ARE PLANNING TO EXTEND THAT THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT TO SERVICE IT THROUGH GRAVITY SEWER.
>> WHERE IS THE LIFT STATION FOR THIS AREA THAT IF ALL THAT'S DRAINING BY GRAVITY?
>> THERE ISN'T A LIFT STATION IMMEDIATELY IN THIS AREA.
THE GRAVITY SEWER GOES DOWN TO THE INTERSECTION AND THEN CONTINUES UNTIL THERE'S A LIFT STATION THAT IS MUCH FURTHER AWAY ALONG 278 THAT TAKES IT ALL.
THE FORCE MAIN ALONG MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE IS MORE OF A REGIONAL FORCE MAIN AND IT'S AN EFFLUENT LINE THAT BJAWS WOULD ACTUALLY PREFER NOT TO BE CONNECTED TO SUCH THAT DEVELOPMENT AFTER THAT GRAVITY SEWER DEPTH IS EXCEEDED WITH LIKELY NEED TO TIE INTO NOT THAT FORCE MAIN FOR THE GRAVITY SEWER NEAR THE HOTELS WHICH THIS IS TIED INTO.
>> THAT UP. I NOTICED THEN THE SERVICE LETTER FROM PALMETTO ELECTRIC, THEY OFFER A BROAD BAND ALSO IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA THAT JUST SAYS THERE'S TWO POTENTIAL PROVIDERS, HARD GRAY AND PALMETTO ELECTRIC.
CONCEIVABLY. THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM TO WORK OUT, BUT THAT'S JUST CURIOUS HOW THAT WILL PLAY AND MAYBE I DON'T CARE.
>> YOU DON'T CARRY THEIR LIMIT AS LONG AS THEY GET INTERNET AND TELEPHONE.
JEFF'S ALREADY COVERED ALL THE TRAFFIC AND PARKING QUESTIONS, SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANY FOLLOW UP?
STREET LIGHTING. RECOMMEND THAT YOU LOOK AT SOLAR.
>> THAT AND FOR YOUR ENTRY SIGNS TOO..
>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE SOUTH ENTRANCE INTO THE COMMERCIAL AREA, BECAUSE IT'S ALSO THE ENTRANCE INTO THE HOSPITAL.
THERE WILL BE NO LEFT TURN LANE THERE?
>> THAT IS ONE OF THE PROPOSED LEFT TURN LANE.
>> I THOUGHT YOU SAID TWO AND THREE,
>> TWO AND THREE WAS WHAT I PICKED UP OFF THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
>> BUT ACTUALLY, STEVE, EXPOUNDING ON THAT QUESTION, IF YOU HAVE A LEFT TURN GOING NORTHBOUND AT THE HOSPITAL ENTRANCE, DOES IT JUSTIFY A LEFT TURN SOUTHBOUND INTO THE HOSPITAL?
>> NO. I'M TALKING ABOUT LEFT TURN INTO THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, INTO THE COMMERCIAL.
[02:25:06]
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LEFT TURN LINEAR AND YOU HAVE AN AMBULANCE TRYING TO GET INTO THE HOSPITAL, [OVERLAPPING] THERE'S A PROBLEM.>> THERE'S A LEFT TURN IN THE COMMERCIAL.
>> THERE'S A LEFT TURN RIGHT THERE.
IT'S SHOWN. IT'S AT THIS ENTRANCE AND THIS ENTRANCE.
>> YEAH. THE WORDING WAS A LITTLE FUNNY THE WAY THEY HAD IT.
BUT CARRYING OUT THAT, SHOULD THERE BE A LEFT TURN SOUTHBOUND AT THE COMMERCIAL TO GO INTO THE HOSPITAL?
>> DOT OWNS MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE.
>> DOT WILL MAKE THE DETERMINATION WHEN THAT LEFT TURN INTO THE HOSPITAL IF AT ANY POINT IT IS JUSTIFIED.
>> COMING SOUTH ON MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE.
>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE GOING NORTH.
I JUST QUESTION WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE ONE SOUTH AT THAT COMMERCIAL PAD, GETTING OUT OF THE HOSPITAL.
LET'S SAY THAT YOU'RE 360 PEOPLE.
HALF OF THEM WORK AT HOSPITAL.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE MAKING A LOT OF LEFT TURNS.
THAT'S DOT'S PROBLEM. IT'S WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME.
>> THERE IS ANOTHER ENTRANCE TO THE HOSPITAL.
>> THAT'S ONE THAT ALWAYS COME TO MIND.
>> THE CONCLUSION IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY JUST SAY DRIVEWAYS 2 AND 3.
IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DRIVEWAY 1.
>> BUT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE ONE AT DRIVEWAY 1.
IF YOU SAY IT'S GOING TO BE THERE I'LL TRUST YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT THERE.
>> ANY OTHER FOLLOW-ON? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE.
[NOISE] DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR MODIFY?
>> MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MASTER PLAN FOR PARCELS 0420005055 AND 0420005050, KNOWN AS MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE MULTIFAMILY, LOCATED ON MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE.
>> GO FORTH, CONNOR, AND BUILD.
>> HE'S GOT A WAYS TO GO BEFORE THAT.
>> THAT TAKES US TO THE PLACE IN THE AGENDA WHERE WE GET THE MANAGERS REPORT.
[VII. PLANNING MANAGER’S REPORT]
>> JUST BRIEFLY, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE MZDO.
WE'VE BEEN BUSY WITH THAT. COUPLE UPDATES ON PROJECTS.
THE CAR TRACK IN RIVERPORT WILL BE ON TOMORROW NIGHT'S CITY COUNCIL AGENDA.
[A. CURRENT PLANNING PROJECTS UPDATE]
THE PARK WILL HAVE ITS FIRST READING IN JANUARY.THE FARMHOUSE WILL CONTINUE THEIR PROCESS IN JANUARY AS WELL.
THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT ISSUED FOR A, [NOISE] DOESN'T SOUND AS NICE AS IT'S GOING TO LOOK, BUT A LANDSCAPE SUPPLY COMPANY ON WHYTE HARDY BOULEVARD WHERE THE OLD CHINESE RESTAURANT AND NIGHTS INN BURNED DOWN.
THEY WILL BE WITH THAT REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY, THEY WILL BE ADDING SOME LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING AND FIXING UP THE OLD CHINESE BUILDING AND MAKING IT AN OFFICE.
THAT'LL BE NICE ADDITION THERE.
THE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN TRAIL BEHIND CITY HALL, THERE'S A RIBBON CUTTING FOR THAT NEXT WEEK.
ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT DIDN'T COME THROUGH HERE BECAUSE IT WAS STRAIGHT ZONING, BUT I KNOW YOU'VE ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL THREE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON 170.
WE ARE GETTING SOME ZONING PERMIT APPLICATIONS NOW FOR BUSINESSES TO ACTUALLY GO INTO THOSE BUILDINGS.
ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO TAKE AN ENTIRE BUILDING CALLED OCHSNER HEALTH CARE.
IT'S A 65 AND OLDER MEDICAL OFFICE, BUT THEY ALSO OFFER SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOCIAL CARD PLAYING AND THAT KIND OF THING.
THEY HAVE LITTLE CENTER FOR THAT.
THEN PAPA MURPHY'S TAKEN BAKE PIZZA,
[02:30:03]
A JAPANESE MOSTLY CARRY-OUT RESTAURANT AND A CRYOTHERAPY, WHICH IS THE COLD LASER THERAPY TYPE THING THAT WILL BE GOING IN THERE AS WELL.LIKE I SAID, WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE SOME BUSINESSES COMING FORWARD. YES.
>> I WAS EXCITED ABOUT THAT TOO.
THAT WILL BE WITHIN GOLF CART DISTANCE FROM SUN CITY.
WE'RE STILL CONTINUING TO PUSH THROUGH WITH SRC PROJECTS.
JUST LIKE CONNOR MENTIONED A FEW MINUTES AGO, IT TAKES OVER A YEAR TO GET A PERMIT FROM THE STATE RIGHT NOW.
SOME THINGS WE'RE JUST WAITING ON AT THIS MOMENT.
>> THAT BRINGS ME TO THE THREE PDDS WE APPROVED IN THAT AREA SOUTH OF EXIT 5.
THERE WERE TWO OF THEM ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD.
IN FACT, WE TOUCHED ON THEM TODAY.
>> WE HAVE GATEWAY AWAY SYSTEM WORKING.
BEFORE THAT WE HAVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD THE GATEWAY CROSS.
[BACKGROUND] ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BY QUIKTRIP AND ALL THAT? WE HAVE A LOT OF PDDS.
>> THE ONES I'M TALKING ABOUT ARE JUST TO THE NORTH OF RIVERPORT. RIVERPORT GO [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S SHERWOOD. THAT'S JUST ONE PDD.
>> IS TO SEPARATE ENTITIES, BUT IT'S ONE PDD.
>> WE ARE REVIEWING SOME INITIAL ACCESS AND INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS THROUGH STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH WILL THEN BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE PROPERTIES MORE MARKETABLE.
BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INTEREST IN THOSE PROPERTIES.
I JUST DON'T HAVE ANYTHING I CAN REALLY CONFIRM.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE COMPANIES THAT ARE LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT'S ALL BEING DONE THROUGH SOUTHERN CAROLINA.
>> AFTER YOU'RE DONE WITH IT, THEN [INAUDIBLE] HAS APPROVE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
>> THEY'RE WORKING CONCURRENTLY WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S PART OF THEIR APPROVAL THROUGH SRC.
WE DON'T ISSUE A SITE PERMIT WITHOUT THAT.
THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
>> THEN THERE WAS A PDD WE APPROVED BY THE MARBLE PLACE.
>> IT IS FULL-BLOWN CONSTRUCTION.
THEY HAVE APPROVALS FOR THE FIRST FOUR BUILDINGS.
I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE AFTER THAT.
IF YOU GO OUT THERE, IF YOU GO DOWN LEVY ROAD, YOU WILL SEE.
>> CLARIUS. THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
I GUESS I NEED TO GO OUT AND LOOK.
>> I DON'T THINK YOU'LL SEE ANY BUILDING WALLS GOING VERTICAL YET.
BUT THEY ARE DOING FULL LAND DEVELOPMENT IN PREPARATION FOR THAT.
IF THEY HAVEN'T BEEN APPROVED, THEY'RE CLOSE TO IT WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, BUT THEY'VE ALL BEEN SUBMITTED.
THERE'S ALSO IN FRONT OF THAT, DIRECTLY NEXT TO THE MARBLE PLACE, THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS APPROVED YEARS AGO THAT'S FINALLY COMING TO FRUITION.
THEY HAVE STARTED SOME SITE DEVELOPMENT AND THEY'LL BE DOING SOME SMALLER SPACES FOR LIMIT INDUSTRIAL.
THOSE HVAC COMPANIES OR THOSE PLUMBERS THAT NEED THOSE SPACES WILL HAVE ALREADY NEW PLACES TO GO.
>> ANYTHING NEW ON THE REALIGNMENT OF ARGENT SHORTCUT, JASPER STATION?
>> YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK MR. DAVIS ON THAT, UNLESS BRENDA HAS ANY INFORMATION.
>> I DON'T REALLY HAVE INFORMATION.
I DO KNOW THAT OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, MATT DAVIS, IS WORKING ON THAT DILIGENTLY.
THEY'RE STILL CONCERNED WITH THAT WATERLINE AND WHO'S PAYING FOR WHAT, BUT IT IS MOVING FORWARD.
I KNOW THAT HE HAS ALSO BEEN WORKING ON DIFFERENT TURN LANES AND DIFFERENT IMPROVEMENTS ON ARGENT AND 278 AND I WILL GET HIM TO SEND US OUT AN UPDATE.
>> I'LL SAY, COULD YOU ASK HIM-
[02:35:05]
>> NOW I WILL SAY I'M THRILLED WITH THE TWO NEW LEFT TURN LANES, SOME MARGIN TO 170.
REALLY CUT DOWN THE BACKUP NORTHBOUND ON 170 IN THE AFTERNOON.
THAT WAS ALWAYS BACKED UP SOMETIMES AS FAR AS THE FIREHOUSE.
THAT'S A VAST IMPROVEMENT THERE.
ANYTHING ANYBODY ELSE HAS TO SAY?
I'VE BEEN HEARING RUMORS THAT SOMETHING IS GOING ON AT THE INTERSECTION OF 278 AND 17 IN THE VICINITY OF THE HOLIDAY INN.
>> THERE ARE RUMORS THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AND WHAT'S BEING SAID, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS AT THIS TIME.
AS SOON AS WE DO HAVE SOMETHING, WE WILL [OVERLAPPING]
>> JUST WISHFUL THINKING ON PEOPLE'S PART.
>> YES. [LAUGHTER] WE HEAR THINGS ALSO AND WE'RE LIKE REALLY? A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE PUT ON THE NEWSPAPER, SOCIAL MEDIA.
>> BUT AS SOON AS WE HAVE ANYTHING, YOU MUST DEFINITELY WILL BE AWARE.
>> BECAUSE THAT ROOM WHEN IT COMES TO FRUITION, THAT'S A HELL OF A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE SUPPOSINGS GOING ON FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
>> THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE IS SATURDAY OUTFRONT, 12 O'CLOCK, REACH ACROSS AMERICA FORMAL PRESENTATION.
[VIII. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS]
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WORLD WAR II VETERAN IN ATTENDANCE.>> I HOPE THE WEATHER WILL BE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I JUST WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK THEY'VE PUT IN ON THE MZDO THROUGH ALL ITS VARIOUS ITERATIONS.
I'M SURE YOU'LL BE HAPPY TO BE DONE WITH IT.
>> WE'LL JUST FIND OUT ALL THE KINKS AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK.
>> IT'S ABOUT TIME TO START ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AGAIN.
>> BUDGET SEASON STARTS NEXT MONTH.
WE'RE HAVING A RETREAT BY CITY COUNCIL AND SOME STAFF MEMBERS AND SO ON.
WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT ACCOUNT PLAN AND MY BUDGET AS WELL AS SOME OTHER THINGS. THANK YOU.
>> WE HAD A DOO TO LOOK AT IT?
>> COMP PLANS OR FIVE YEARS, RIGHT?
>> YOU REVIEW EVERY FIVE YEARS, UPDATE EVERY 10 YEARS.
>> FIVE YEARS AFTER IT GETS APPROVED.
>> LORD, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN WE APPROVED YET.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR YEARS.
[IX. ADJOURNMENT]
>> SEE YOU NEXT MONTH, EVERYONE
[02:43:55]
>> KATIE, RYAN WAS CONFUSED ON THE MVDO.
YOU DON'T NEED TO INTERVIEW OR ANYTHING.
I JUST FORWARD IT ON THE EMAIL YOU SENT TO US WHAT THE AGENDA AND ALL THE ATTACHMENTS AND I THOUGHT THERE WAS ONE ON ATTACHMENTS.
>> I THOUGHT SO TOO. THE ONLY THING WE'VE UPDATED SINCE THEN IS ARTICLE 4 WITH STORMWATER STUFF THAT JOHN BROWN WAS TALKING ABOUT.
BUT I THINK IT'S ALL ON THE WEBSITE BESIDES THAT.
>> I KNOW TECHNICALLY HE'S.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.