Nov 08, 2023 City Council Workshop

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JOINING US. WE'RE GOING TO START TODAY'S SESSION WITH THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY MISTER BO WHITE.

[I. CALL TO ORDER]

GUIDE US IN OUR DELIBERATIONS.

GIVE US WISDOM.

BLESS EVERYONE AS THE HOLIDAY SEASON COMES UPON US, PARTICULARLY THANKSGIVING.

WE THINK OF ALL THOSE THAT ARE IN NEED AND WE ASK FOR SPECIAL BLESSINGS FOR THEM.

THE NAME OF JESUS. AMEN.

AMEN. AMEN.

ALLEGIANCE] OKAY, LET'S

[II. MANAGERS REPORT]

THIS IS A CITY OF HARDEEVILLE SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND PUBLIC HEARING, 205 MAIN STREET, HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, NOVEMBER 8TH, 2023 AT 1 P.M..

WE NEED TO ADOPT THE AGENDA TODAY.

SO COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO TODAY'S AGENDA? MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR TODAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THE MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

[A. REVIEW PROPOSED PLANS FOR THE VETERANS PARK PROJECT]

DISCUSSION OF NEGOTIATIONS INCIDENT.

THE PROPOSED CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENTS AND PROPOSED SALE OR PURCHASE OF PROPERTY.

THE RECEIPT OF LEGAL ADVICE.

WHERE LEGAL ADVICE RELATES TO A PENDING, THREATENED OR POTENTIAL CLAIM, OR OTHER MATTERS COVERED BY THE ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE, SETTLEMENT OF LEGAL CLAIMS, OR THE POSITION OF THE PUBLIC AGENCY IN OTHER ADVERSARY SITUATIONS INVOLVING THE ASSERTION AGAINST THE AGENCY OF A CLAIM IN ACCORDANCE WITH SOUTH CAROLINA CODE OF LAW 3478 TWO.

WE ARE GOING TO RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE TODAY, AND WE WILL ADJOURN FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION? MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. OKAY.

UM, WE FIRST HAVE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

THIS IS A CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP, 205 MAIN STREET, HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, 29927 WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 8TH, 2023 AT 2 P.M.

THIS IS A WORKSHOP.

WE WILL FOLLOW THE REGULAR WORKSHOP.

RULES OF ORDER.

WHOEVER WANTS TO SPEAK JUST WON'T GO IN ANY ORDER.

JUST CHIME IN.

JUST WAIT TILL YOU, THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER, HAS COMPLETED ALL THEIR THOUGHTS.

HAVING SAID THAT, MR. CZYMBOR, TAKE IT AWAY.

YES, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU. SO FIRST WE HAVE TWO ITEMS TODAY.

ONE IS THE REVIEW OF THE PROPOSED PLAN TO THE VETERANS PARK PROJECT SO MR. DAVIS CAN TAKE IT AWAY.

HE HAS ALL THE CONSULTANTS HERE TO PRESENT THE INITIAL PLANS FOR THE PROJECT.

AND THEN SECONDLY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO SOME OVERALL FINANCIAL REPORTING FOR THE A-TAX AND H-TAX, AS WELL AS POTENTIAL FUND BALANCE AND USE OF ADDITIONAL SURPLUS FUNDS.

MR. DAVIS.

GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON.

SO JUST A QUICK BACKGROUND.

AS YOU ALL RECALL, BACK DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, YOU APPROVED THE BUDGET WITH FUNDING ALLOCATED FOR THE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN OF THE VETERANS PARK, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE FIRST PHASE OF OUR ADOPTED MUNICIPAL HUB MASTER PLAN.

WE DID THE APPROPRIATE RFQ FOR REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR THAT WORK.

WE RECOMMENDED WOOD AND PARTNERS BE AWARDED THAT CONTRACT.

AND YOU DID SO SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.

WE HAD A MEETING AT THE LIBRARY, AND THEY HAD SOME OTHER MEETINGS AS WELL WITH STAFF.

AND THIS IS KIND OF THEIR CHECKING IN WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND THINGS ARE MOVING ALONG AND THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF FIELD WORK AND THEY'LL GET INTO THAT. SO THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MARK BAKER OF WOODHAM PARTNERS AND HIS TEAM, AND HE CAN INTRODUCE THEM AND THEN GO THROUGH WHAT THEY'VE GOT SO FAR. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. WELCOME.

THANK YOU. HI, MARK.

HEY. HOW ARE YOU, MR. MAYOR? MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND STAFF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU TODAY.

FOR THE RECORD, MARK BAKER WITH WOOD AND PARTNERS, WE'RE THE PRIME CONSULTANT ON THIS TEAM.

WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO TODAY IS GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE STEPS THAT WE'VE COMPLETED TO DATE.

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WE'VE ASSEMBLED A TEAM THAT INCLUDES COURT ATKINS FOR ARCHITECTURE AND WARD EDWARDS FOR CIVIL ENGINEERING, AND THEN SEVERAL SUB CONSULTANTS.

WE HAVE WITH US TODAY, TODD THEODORE, WHO JUST HANDED OUT THE HANDOUTS FOR YOU.

TODD IS A PRINCIPAL IN CHARGE OF THIS PROJECT.

AND THEN SUPPORTING TODD IS DAVID MCALLISTER, OUR PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE PROJECT.

WE HAVE WITH US JAMES ATKINS AND JASON BARONI WITH COURT ATKINS.

JAMES WILL BE SHARING WITH YOU SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL CONCEPTS, THE PART OF THE PAVILION THAT IT'S IN THE CENTER OF THE PARK.

AND THEN WARD EDWARDS, HEATH DUNCAN WILL BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT OUR PRELIMINARY CIVIL ENGINEERING FINDINGS, WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION, EARTHWORK AND STORM DRAINAGE.

SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE WITH YOU, JUST TO REVIEW THE PLANNING PROCESS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT FOR.

WE INITIATED THE PROJECT WITH DATA ASSEMBLY, LAND SURVEYING, GEOTECH, PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL.

ALL OF THAT WORK HAS BEEN DONE.

WE HAD A KICKOFF MEETING WITH STAFF AND COMMUNITY AND THE COMMITTEE, AND WE ALSO CONDUCTED A COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSE.

VERY WELL ATTENDED AND WE GOT SOME GREAT INPUT, WHICH HELPED US FORMULATE THE DESIGN IDEAS, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO BE SHARING WITH YOU TODAY. A LITTLE BACKGROUND, WHAT AN AWESOME SITE.

THIS EIGHT ACRE SITE.

IF YOU MIGHT RECALL, WE HAD A PREVIOUS CONTRACT WHERE WE PREPARED A MUNICIPAL MASTER PLAN A MUNICIPAL HUB MASTER PLAN.

AWESOME SITE.

WHEN WE LOOK AT SORT OF CREATING IMPORTANT GATHERING SPACES IN URBAN DISTRICTS, WE WE LOVE FOR THOSE DISTRICTS TO HAVE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC FACILITIES.

SO WITH YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, MUNICIPAL COURT, FIRE STATION, LIBRARY, ALL OF THOSE MAKE GOOD SORT OF ANCHOR COMPONENTS TO CREATING A MUNICIPAL HUB HERE. IT SHOULD BE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.

THE SITE IS WELL LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY.

GREAT PLACE FOR NEW CIVIC OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS AWESOME.

AND THEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEVERAGE PUBLIC.

I MEAN WITH THROUGH PUBLIC INVESTMENT LEVERAGE, LEVERAGE PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTMENT NOT ONLY AROUND THIS SITE ON MAIN STREET, BUT WHYTE HARDEE BOULEVARD AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO CELEBRATE, OF COURSE, THE HISTORY OF THE TIMBER INDUSTRY HERE, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO REPOSITION THE ARGENT LUMBER MEMORIAL THERE ON THE SITE. AS I MENTIONED, THE SITE IS VERY WELL LOCATED CLOSE TO WHYTE HARDEE BOULEVARD AND ON MAIN STREET, CLOSE TO YOUR ADMINISTRATION FACILITY.

WITH THESE IMPROVEMENTS, WE CAN BEGIN TO MAKE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS AND, WE THINK LEVERAGE THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO MAKE INVESTMENTS.

THE SITE IS WELL POSITIONED TO BE REDEVELOPED WITH ALL OF THESE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS.

OBVIOUSLY THE FRONT BUILDINGS ARE BEING REMOVED.

WE DROVE BY THERE TODAY ALMOST DOWN.

SO THAT'S MOVING FORWARD.

BUT THE SITE REALLY HAS SOME GREAT INFRASTRUCTURE AND CAN BE A GREAT PLATFORM.

WE DID HIRE ATLAS AS PART OF OUR CONTRACT.

WE'VE COMPLETED THE LAND SURVEY OF EXISTING CONDITIONS, COMPLETED THE PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT AND COMPLETED THE SOIL BORINGS.

AND NONE OF THOSE SHOWED ANY PROBLEMATIC CONCERNS IN ANY WAY.

THE SITE LAYS OUT VERY NICELY TO HAVE GREAT SORT OF CIVIC NEW CIVIC OPEN SPACE, IF YOU WILL, ALONG MAIN STREET, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE BUILDINGS AND THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES THAT ARE ON SITE.

WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID THE MASTER PLAN, WE IDENTIFIED THIS AREA, WHICH IS THE VETERANS PARK, AS PHASE ONE.

WHEN THIS PLAN WAS DONE, WE DID NOT INCLUDE DASHER LANE, THOUGH OUR CONTRACT NOW INCLUDES DASHER LANE AND THE STORMWATER POND.

WE KNEW THAT WE HAD TO EXPAND THAT STORMWATER FACILITY TO ACCOMMODATE THESE IMPROVEMENTS.

SO REALLY PHASE ONE INCLUDES ALL OF THIS AREA.

AS YOU CAN SEE THERE.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS TURN IT OVER TO TODD THEODORE TO GO OVER THE CONCEPTS AND WHERE WE STAND TODAY.

ALL RIGHT.

WE DID FIND A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH THE SOILS REPORT, AND I THINK YOU'RE ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH THE THE GROUNDWATER IS LIKE SIX INCHES BELOW THE SURFACE OF THE GROUND. SO, HEATH, WHEN HE STARTS TALKING ABOUT STORM DRAINAGE, THAT DOES HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN IMPACT IN HOW WE LOOKED AT THIS SITE AND EVERYTHING.

AND AS WELL, THERE IS SOME SANITARY SEWER THAT CROSSES THROUGH THE SITE WITH SOME EASEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO TRY TO WORK AROUND.

BUT THIS IS THE SCHEMATIC SITE PLAN.

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WE'RE CALLING THE SORT OF THE GATEWAY, THE ENTRANCE OFF OF MAIN STREET, THE VENT LAWN KIND OF SEE THAT AS A GARDEN AREA.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE PLAZA, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, FOR GATHERINGS AND MONUMENTATION AND THEN THE PAVILION STRUCTURE AS WELL, WHICH KIND OF SETS ITSELF UP ON AXIS WITH THE, WITH THE PARK AND BECOMES THAT WEATHER PROTECTED AREA, AS WELL AS RESTROOMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS PART OF THAT AS WELL.

AND THEN PARKING OBVIOUSLY TO SUPPORT THE FACILITY.

AND THIS IS JUST SORT OF THE BEGINNING OF A POTENTIAL FUTURE EXPANSION INTO WHAT HAPPENS ON SOME OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AS WELL, AND THEN BEGIN TO ADDRESS DASHER LANE.

AND AS I MENTIONED, THE THE STORMWATER WE'LL TALK ABOUT AS WELL, JUST SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THIS CONCEPT SCHEMATIC PLAN TIES INTO THAT FUTURE STUDY AND HOW, YOU KNOW, WE'VE RECOMMENDED MOVING THE PARKING LOT THAT'S KIND OF UP AGAINST THE LIBRARY, MOVING THAT OUT OF THE WAY SO THAT YOU CAN CREATE SORT OF THIS GREENWAY CORRIDOR ALONG THE MAIN STREET HUB AS WELL.

AND THEN HOW YOU BEGIN TO TIE INTO SOME OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY WITH INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND THEN THIS IS JUST AN ILLUSTRATION OF OF THE PLAN AGAIN, THIS GARDEN AREA.

AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THAT KIND OF TIES INTO SORT OF THAT VETERANS EXPERIENCE AS WELL.

BUT CONSIDER THAT AS BEING SORT OF A MULTI USE.

IT'S A PARK, YOU KNOW, IT'S FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL.

IT HAS A PRESENCE ON MAIN STREET ALSO AGAIN TO ADDRESS UP DASHER LANE.

SO IT BECOMES MORE OF A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED STREETSCAPE AS WELL.

AND THEN THE PLAZA BEGIN TO PUT SOME ICONIC ELEMENTS IN THERE, LIKE A GOLD STAR IN THE CENTER.

ACTUALLY, LIKE IN THIS CASE, THERE'S 13 STARS AROUND THE PERIMETER REPRESENTING THE FIRST 13 COLONIES.

AND AND THEN HAVE MONUMENTATION IN THERE AS WELL, AND THEN BEGIN TO TIE THE PAVILION SO THAT YOU HAVE THE COVERED AREA AND HOW IT FLOWS INTO THE PLAZA ON THAT SIDE.

AND THEN IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE VETERANS TO HAVE VERY CONVENIENT DIRECT ACCESS TO THE FACILITY, OBVIOUSLY, TO, YOU KNOW, THAT FOR WHEELCHAIRS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL, AND THEN BEGIN TO ADDRESS THE STREET.

AND THEN THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, PICTURES WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.

SO THIS BEGINS TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF HOW THAT SPACE WOULD LOOK WITH A PERIMETER WALKWAY.

AGAIN, LIKE I MENTIONED, KIND OF A GARDENESQUE SORT OF ENVIRONMENT, SORT OF PLAYING OFF THE HISTORY OF, OF HARDEEVILLE AND HOW ALL THESE DIFFERENT SPACES TIE TOGETHER SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE A SMALL EVENT COULD BE UNDERNEATH THE PAVILION.

YOU COULD HAVE A AREA OUT IN THE PLAZA AREA.

THERE'S SOME FLAGS OUT THERE.

FOUNTAIN. YOU COULD YOU COULD END UP WITH A LARGE EVENT THERE.

TALK ABOUT MAYBE BEING ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A COUPLE HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN HAVE SPILL OUT, EVEN INTO THE LAWN AREA AS WELL.

SO IT GIVES YOU A LOT OF VENUES TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS, LIKE THE 4TH OF JULY AND VETERANS DAY AND THINGS LIKE THAT, MAYBE EVEN SOME OTHER ACTIVITIES AS WELL. AND THEN I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT TO THE VETERANS TO RESPECT THE FACT THAT THIS IS A MEMORIAL KIND OF RECOGNITION OF THE HISTORY OF, OF VETERANS INVOLVEMENT, THAT THAT LIVED IN HARDEEVILLE AND THEIR CONTRIBUTION AS WELL, BUT THEN NOT OVERRUN WITH KIDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE FAMILIES AND THINGS AS WELL IN THAT ENVIRONMENT.

AND THEN THIS IS ADDRESSING SORT OF MAIN STREET, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A STATEMENT THERE THAT THAT INVITES PEOPLE INTO IT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WHEN WE DID THE HUB STUDY, WE IDENTIFIED THIS CORNER AS A PROMINENT PLACE ALONG MAIN STREET AND FELT LIKE IT SHOULD BE CELEBRATED WITH SOME TYPE OF STATEMENT INTO IT AS WELL.

AND THEN THIS WAS JUST A FUN NIGHT SHOT OF WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE AT NIGHTTIME, AND LIGHT UP THE FLAGPOLES AND BOLLARD LIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AROUND THE PERIMETER.

AND THEN A VIEW OF WHAT THE PLAZA COULD LOOK LIKE AGAIN, HAVING THE FLAGS, POTENTIALLY A FOUNTAIN FEATURE AS WELL, AND THEN SHOWING WHERE THERE COULD BE MONUMENTATION AROUND THE PERIMETER OF IT.

AND WE'VE KIND OF PUT PLACEHOLDERS THERE BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO GET INVOLVEMENT FROM THE VETERANS AS WELL, AND BEGIN TO DEFINE THE SPECIFICS OF HOW THAT MONUMENTATION MAY LOOK, YOU KNOW, TYPES OF SEATING, WHETHER IT'S SEAT WALLS OR BENCHES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THEN THE PAVEMENTS AND THINGS, WE FELT LIKE THE PAVEMENTS MIGHT WANT TO BE BRICK AND BLUESTONE AND THINGS THAT SORT OF COMPLEMENT SORT OF THE HISTORY AND THE ERA OF

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AND THEN LET JAMES TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE.

GOOD AFTERNOON. JAMES ATKINS WITH CORD ATKINS GROUP.

JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME INITIAL CONCEPTS THAT KIND OF CAME ABOUT SEVERAL WEEKS AGO.

WE HAD A PUBLIC WORKSHOP, GOT A LOT OF GREAT INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY, VETERANS AND OTHER MEMBERS ABOUT WHAT THIS PAVILION SHOULD BE SET WITHIN THE PARK.

AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DIVERSE OPINIONS, A LOT OF THINGS THAT MAYBE ON THE SURFACE MIGHT SAY CONFLICT, BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVE DIFFERENT GOALS.

AND SO WE REALLY TOOK ALL THAT TO HEART TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A DESIGN THAT WOULD BE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH.

SO IF IT'S COMFORTABLE FOR A SOLEMN EVENT, MEMORIAL DAY OR SOMETHING, OR A SCHOOL OUTING, THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE A PICNIC LUNCH AND SIT UNDERNEATH THIS PAVILION.

SO WE TRIED TO MAKE THE OPEN SPACE FLEXIBLE, SERVE A VARIETY OF EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO IT'S NOT JUST SET THERE AS A AS A MEMORIAL, SO TO SPEAK, BUT DOES HAVE A FOCUS AS AN ANCHOR TO THE VETERANS PARK.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S PART OF A GREATER WHOLE.

SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE PROVIDED SERVICES FOR RESTROOMS AND UTILITY THINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

BUT I THOUGHT ONE OF THE THERE WERE THREE THINGS THAT KIND OF CAME OUT OF OF THAT PUBLIC MEETING, AND ONE WAS DEFINITELY A DESIRE TO HONOR THE VETERANS CALLED THESE MY THREE H'S. AND SO, YOU KNOW, INCORPORATE SOMETHING INTO THE PAVILION THAT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE REFLECTIVE.

THERE MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITIES STILL TO BE WORKED THROUGH WHAT THAT MEMORIAL MIGHT BE.

WE MAYBE WE CAN LEVERAGE SOME LEVERAGE, SOME TECHNOLOGY, MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SOLEMN THING.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THAT HEXAGON.

ELEMENT IS.

THE OTHER THING WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HIGHLIGHT THE HEROES.

A MUCH BROADER SPECTRUM FIREFIGHTERS, POLICE OFFICERS, EMS, FOLKS WHO SERVICE THE COMMUNITY AND SHOULD BE HONORED AS WELL.

AND SO MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HAS A POINTER OR NOT.

QUESTION IS HOW TO USE IT.

GREEN BUTTON. GREEN BUTTON.

OH, THERE WE GO. SO IGNORE THE WORDS THERE.

BUT MAYBE THERE'S AN ALCOVE WHERE WE CAN BEGIN TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE HEROES IN A WAY.

MAYBE IT'S A MURAL.

MAYBE IT'S A EDUCATION ABOUT THE LOCAL SERVICES IN HARDEEVILLE.

AND THE OTHER COMPONENT THAT CAME OUT OF THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EDUCATION, FOR HELP, AND HOPE TO BE ABLE TO HIGHLIGHT SERVICES LOCALLY, REGIONALLY, THAT IT SHOULD SOMEONE END UP AT THE PAVILION HERE WHO MAY NEED AN OUTLET OF SOME SORT, OR CAME THERE FOR SOME REFLECTIVE MEDITATION, THAT IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THOSE RESOURCES.

AND ANOTHER ALCOVE HERE AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY EDUCATION, COMMUNITY SUPPORT, WHETHER IT'S FOR THE VETERANS OR OTHER LOCAL HEROES.

AND SO WE KIND OF TOOK THAT TO HEART TO TRY TO, AGAIN, PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY.

THIS CERTAINLY IS A VETERANS PARK.

IT'S IT'S ANCHORING THE VETERANS PARK.

BUT MAYBE IT BROADEN THAT SPECTRUM.

WE KIND OF HEARD THAT AT THE PUBLIC MEETING THAT YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS A LITTLE BROADER SCOPE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S VERY VETERAN FOCUSED? SO WE INCORPORATED IN THE BACK HALF OF THIS ENTRY OFF THE PARKING KIND OF A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A GATEWAY, AND THEN HIGHLIGHTED THE FRONT HERE AS A VERY WIDE OPEN, FLEXIBLE COMMUNITY GATHERING AREA TO ANCHOR THE PARK.

AND WHEN WE BEGIN TO TRANSLATE THAT INTO ARCHITECTURE, A FEW THINGS CAME TO MIND.

WE WANT THIS TO BE AN ANCHOR TO THE PARK AND HAVE A PRESENCE TO SIT THERE, BUT NOT TO BE A MONUMENT UNTO ITSELF.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DOING THIS TO CREATE A WORK OF ART THAT'S GOING TO BE PUBLISHED ON THE COVER OF ARCHITECTURAL RECORD.

YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO HAVE A STATEMENT, BUT IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE SUBTLE.

WE ALSO WANTED TO TIE IN TO THE LUMBER HISTORY HERE.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A TRAIN ON SITE.

SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT TRAIN TRESTLES AND HOW THOSE THINGS GET PUT TOGETHER.

AND WE STARTED LOOKING AT TIMBER CONNECTIONS AND THE MATERIALS.

AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME PRECEDENT ARCHITECTURE.

WE HAVE THE LIBRARY, WE HAVE THE FIRE STATION.

AND THEY BEGIN TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THE BRICK AND SUCH INTO MORE OF THE SOLID AREA.

SO WE CAN BEGIN TO TIE THIS ALL TOGETHER.

JUST A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT VIEWS HERE.

AGAIN, WIDE OPEN IN THE FRONT, KIND OF A LARGE OPEN GATHERING AREA THAT SCALES DOWN ON THE SIDE.

WE ALSO KIND OF TAKE IN SOME MORE TRADITIONAL SHAPES, ROOF FORMS, SHED ROOFS, GABLES, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY FIND HERE IN THE LOW COUNTRY.

LOOK AT SOME OF THE COLUMNS HERE THAT KIND OF RELATE TO SOME OF THE IMAGES THAT TODD SHOWED EARLIER.

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PAVILION. AND THEN FROM THE PARKING LOT SIDE AGAIN, RATHER THAN IT JUST BEING A BIG OPEN AIR PAVILION AND YOU JUST KIND OF WALK AIMLESSLY, OUR THOUGHT WAS THAT WE WE BEGAN TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL THAT TO PROVIDE A PORTAL OR A GATEWAY, THAT YOU HAVE A SENSE THAT YOU'VE LEFT THE THE GREATER PARK AREA AND THEN YOU HAVE ENTERED INTO A, YOU KNOW, A MORE DEFINED SPACE.

AND AGAIN, THE. SOME SORT OF MEMORIAL BENCHES.

THINGS WOULD BE RIGHT HERE IN THE CENTER.

KIND OF PULLED SOME INSPIRATION, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE IN RESIDENTIAL KIND OF HOG FIXING.

BUT WE KIND OF SPREAD THAT OUT AND KIND OF LOOKING AT RAIL LINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF BRING SOME OF THAT TIMBER FRAMING AND SUCH THAT YOU MIGHT SEE ON A TRAIN BRIDGE AND THEN THE BRICK.

SIMILAR WATER TABLE IS OVER ON THE FIRE STATION.

PROBABLY SIMILAR TYPE BRICK WITH A KIND OF A BOARD AND BATTEN UP ABOVE THAT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE INITIAL CONCEPTS, YOU KNOW, TO GET.

SO WE'RE STILL VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS HERE, BUT WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON KIND OF WHERE OUR HEADS AT AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK.

INDEPENDENT TIME.

ALL RIGHT. THERE YOU GO.

THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. OVER TO THE RIGHT.

GOOD AFTERNOON. HEATH DUNCAN WITH WARD EDWARDS ENGINEERING.

GOOD TO BE WITH YOU TODAY.

I'LL JUST TAKE A MINUTE TO TALK ABOUT THE CIVIL ENGINEERING ASSOCIATED WITH THE PLAN.

WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS.

WE ARE PROPOSING TO BRING.

THERE'S AN EIGHT INCH WATER MAIN ON MAIN STREET.

SO? SO OUR PLAN DOES SHOW CONNECTING TO THAT WATER MAIN AND EXTENDING DOWN PAST WHERE DASHER LANE WILL END AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, SO THAT IT'S WELL POSITIONED TO EXTEND TO ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT HAVING TO CUT ANY OF THIS PAVEMENT AND THE VETERANS PARK AREA.

WE WE DO SHOW BRINGING FROM AN EXISTING SEWER MANHOLE BEHIND THE LIBRARY.

WE COME OVER AND ALSO EXTEND BEYOND THE PAVING.

SO THAT IS WELL POSITIONED TO EXTEND SEWER OUT INTO ANY OF THE OTHER PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE.

THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL STORM DRAINAGE LAYOUT TO COLLECT THE RUNOFF FROM THE PARK AND FROM THE PARKING AREAS, AND FROM DASHER LANE AND GET IT TO THE AN EXPANDED VERSION OF THE STORMWATER LAGOON THAT'S BACK BEHIND THE FIRE STATION AND THE LIBRARY PRESENTLY.

YOU CAN SEE HERE, TOO, THAT DASHER LANE GETS RECONFIGURED A BIT.

THERE'S CURRENTLY ON THIS SIDE, THERE'S SOME 90 DEGREE PARKING AND THE ACCESSIBLE PARKING IS ON THIS SIDE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT'S BEING CONVERTED TO PARALLEL ON BOTH SIDES AND SOME NEW SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.

I THINK THE PAVING CURRENTLY ENDS ABOUT RIGHT HERE, JUST PAST THE LIBRARY PARKING LOT, SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT EXTENDS DOWN AND THEN UP INTO THIS PARKING FACILITY TO REGARDING THE POND SIZE THAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE.

AS TODD MENTIONED, WE HAVE A VERY SHALLOW GROUNDWATER TABLE.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A FEW CONSTRAINTS.

THE BACK OF THE FIRE STATION PARKING LOT AND THEN THE MASONIC LODGE BUILDING, WHICH IS LOCATED HERE ON BOYD STREET.

THEY BOTH HAVE ELEVATIONS OF ROUGHLY 20 21.5, 22FT ABOVE SEA LEVEL.

AND THE WATER THAT YOU SEE IN THAT POND TODAY IS AT ABOUT 19.

SO WE HAVE ABOUT TWO FEET THAT WE CAN STACK WATER UP IN THAT POND.

AFTER THAT, IT WOULD START TO FLOOD EXISTING SURROUNDING FACILITIES.

SO WE'RE A LITTLE LIMITED IN HOW MUCH WATER WE CAN HOLD VERTICALLY.

SO WE'RE HAVING TO HOLD IT OR EXPAND UPON OUTWARD HORIZONTALLY, WHICH TAKES UP MORE LAND ACREAGE TO STORE THE STORMWATER THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE MSBSO WHICH THE DSO REQUIRES, OR STORMWATER DETENTION FOR THE 50 YEAR AND 100 YEAR STORMS, WHICH ARE TEN AND 11IN OF WATER IN 24 HOURS, RESPECTIVELY. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT POND WILL WILL ACCOMMODATE ALL THE ALL THE NEW IMPERVIOUS SURFACE FROM THE PARKS, THE NEW PARKING AREA, THE SIDEWALKS, THE ALL THE HARDSCAPE.

THIS THE EXISTING POND IS DOESN'T SHOW UP REALLY WELL, BUT IT'S KIND OF ABOUT THIS SIZE.

SO THERE'S KIND OF AN EXPANSION OVER IN THIS DIRECTION.

AND AND THEN THAT POND WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL THE NEW IMPERVIOUS AREA AND VETERANS PARK.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO TODD.

I THINK I'LL BACK UP FOR A MINUTE TO TALK ABOUT THE THE MASTER PLAN.

TALKING ABOUT DASHER LANE.

THE THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

THIS SIDE OF THE LIBRARY FEELS A LITTLE BIT LIKE A PARKING LOT, AND THAT'S REALLY CROWDING THE SIDEWALK AND EVERYTHING THROUGH THERE.

SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO PUT PARALLEL PARKING IN THERE LIKE A STREET SCAPE, AND THEN PULL THE SIDEWALK AWAY FROM THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT AND GET A LITTLE BIT OF LANDSCAPE

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AND THEN, AS HEATH WAS SAYING, THE THE LAGOON TOOK AWAY OUR PLAYGROUND AREA THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD IN THE HUB STUDY.

SO THERE'S SOME OPTIONS.

AND I WAS TELLING MATT, YOU KNOW, THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU DO WITH THE WHYTE HARDEE PROPERTY OVER HERE, MAYBE YOU SHOULD CONSIDER LIKE A STORMWATER MASTER PLAN, AND MAYBE SOME OF THIS KIND OF STUFF CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO A REGIONAL TYPE STORMWATER AREA THAT BECOMES AN AMENITY TO WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE.

BECAUSE, AS HE SAID, THIS RIGHT NOW IS JUST SUPPORTING THIS.

SO THINGS THAT MAY HAPPEN OVER HERE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE ACCOMMODATED HERE.

SO JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT ON THAT.

SO IF SOME OF THIS WAS SOMEHOW PUT INTO AN AMENITY OVER HERE, THEN THAT FREES THIS AREA BACK UP AGAIN.

THAT BUT RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING'S SORT OF GETTING DISPERSED BECAUSE OF THAT STORMWATER REQUIREMENT.

UM, AND THEN I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT WE RAISED THIS WHOLE SITE AREA UP ABOUT TWO FEET THAT FELT LIKE THAT FROM MAIN STREET. IT KIND OF SLOPES AWAY, AND THAT WE WANTED TO PUT THAT UP A LITTLE BIT UP ON A PLINTH SO THAT IT WOULD BE SORT OF PROMINENT VIEW FROM MAIN STREET.

AND THEN AS THE PARK AND EVERYTHING SORT OF RISES UP TO THAT AS WELL.

SO IN THIS AREA THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A RAMP GOING UP TO THIS PORTION AND THEN SOME STAIRS OVER HERE, AND THEN AS THE PARKING LOT COMES AROUND, IT BECOMES SORT OF FLUSH AGAIN WITH THE ELEVATION OF THE OF THE BUILDING, BUT THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO RAISE THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.

AND THEN WE DID SET SORT OF THIS SIDEWALK INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS HERE THAT COULD BEGIN TO TIE ALL THAT TOGETHER THROUGH PEDESTRIAN LINKS AND EVERYTHING. AND THEN YOUR, YOUR INTERN HOUSE IS RIGHT HERE.

SO IN ORDER TO PUT THAT INITIAL PARKING IN THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SITTING ON TOP OF THE INTERN HOUSE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTIAL AND THINGS THAT ARE ADJACENT OVER HERE ARE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY BOTH PART OF THAT FUTURE AREA AS WELL.

AND WHAT I MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS WAS IN COORDINATION WITH THE CONSULTANT YOU HAD HIRED TO DO THAT WHITE HARDEEVILLE STUDY.

SO A LOT OF THIS REFLECTS REFLECTS THAT AS WELL.

SO. AND WE SAW THE STREETSCAPE, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCING STREETLIGHTS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO IT REALLY BECOMES PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, BEGINS TO ADDRESS ALL THE RESIDENTIAL AROUND THERE AS WELL.

SO THAT BECOMES A PARK FOR THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THEN THIS IS JUST SOME IMAGERY OF WHAT THE SORT OF THE PLAZA COULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE MONUMENTATION AS I MENTIONED, WE WE'D REALLY LIKE TO GET SOME INPUT FROM THE VETERANS AND BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE THOSE IMPORTANT ELEMENTS AND HISTORICAL ASPECTS THAT IT MAY HAVE WITH HARDEEVILLE AS WELL, AND BEING ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE DIFFERENT SCALES OF ACTIVITIES AND GROUPINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW THAT SOME OF IT WANTS TO BE INTIMATE, LIKE THIS PARK AREA IS MORE INTIMATE, AND IT EVEN ALLOWS FOR FLEXIBILITY FOR OTHER MONUMENTATION AND THINGS INTO THE FUTURE, SORT OF THAT. OPPORTUNITY TO ADD AS TIME GOES ON.

UM, AND THEN WE WERE PLAYING WITH THE IDEA THAT MAYBE EVEN ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THIS WALK, THERE COULD BE SORT OF THE WALK OF HEROES, THE WALK OF HISTORY, SOME FUN OPPORTUNITIES TO REALLY ACCENTUATE THAT, AND WHERE PEOPLE CAN KIND OF WALK ALONG AND EXPERIENCE THIS AS YOU GO FORWARD.

AND THEN LANDSCAPING, EVERYTHING IS IMPORTANT AS HOW ALL THAT KIND OF COMES TOGETHER.

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF MONUMENTATION, WHERE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE BRONZE STATUES OF DIFFERENT MILITARY BRANCHES AND THEIR UNIFORMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S A FUN OPPORTUNITY AND HOW THAT GETS ADDRESSED.

AND THEN LIKE I MENTIONED, JUST BEING ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE DIFFERENT SIZED ACTIVITIES.

AND WE SEE THIS, THIS WHOLE LAWN AREA AS PART OF THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SET CHAIRS UP AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THERE.

SO DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT WE SHOWED YOU, SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS CAN BE PHASED.

SO IT DOESN'T ALL HAVE TO BE DONE AT THE SAME TIME.

AND AS MARK MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WE ADDRESSED DASHER LANE AND REALLY TRIED TO SET THE STAGE FOR THAT.

BUT EVEN DASHER LANE, SOME OF THAT COULD BE A LATER PHASE AS WELL.

BUT THESE ARE THE NUMBERS BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE DESIGNED SCHEMATICALLY IS THE THE ENGINEERING COMPONENTS IS

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WE DON'T SEE IT BEING OVERLY LIT.

IT'S MORE OF THE LANDSCAPE LIGHTING, BOLLARD LIGHTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE STREET LIGHTING WOULD BE PUBLIC UTILITY LIGHTING, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THEN LANDSCAPING IRRIGATION, $85,000.

SO SUBTOTAL OF 3 MILLION.

AND AND THEN THE WAY THINGS HAVE BEEN LATELY WITH THE MARKET IS A CONTINGENCY IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO HAVE.

SO WE PUT IN THERE A 20% CONTINGENCY.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 3.8 MILLION.

AND THEN WE SHOWED THAT FOUNTAIN BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE YOU KNOW THAT'S REALLY COULD BE A NICE ELEMENT TO ADD IN THERE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN THIS TIME.

IT COULD BE STUBBED OUT AND THEN ADDED.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE PUT A NUMBER IN THERE FOR 300,000 FOR SOME TYPE OF FOUNTAIN THAT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH TO REALLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE THE AREA. SAW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THING BEING LIT AT NIGHTTIME AND REFLECTING LIGHT UP ONTO THE FLAGPOLE AND THE BUILDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A NICE.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.

SO WE'RE WE'RE OPEN FOR COMMENTS.

BUT THANK YOU BEFORE I'VE GOT A NUMBER OF NOTES.

BUT AS ALWAYS I'LL GO LAST.

BUT I JUST WANT TO PREFACE SOMETHING BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO COUNCIL.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO SELL THIS TO THE COMMUNITY.

WHATEVER THIS IS.

SO WHEN WE SELL TO THE COMMUNITY, NUMBER ONE, THIS PARK IS ALREADY NAMED.

IT'S TB CARROLL PARK.

OKAY. IT'S ALREADY NAMED.

IT'S ALREADY NAMED.

I HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE THE CITY GAVE THAT PARK TO MY FATHER.

THE CITY DEDICATED THAT.

THAT PARK IS ALREADY NAMED.

IT'S TB CARROLL PARK.

SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN NAMED.

OKAY. WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHETHER IT'S TB CARROLL VETERANS PARK, BUT THAT PARK'S ALREADY BEEN NAMED LONG BEFORE ANYBODY WAS SITTING UP HERE. OKAY.

SO THAT'S THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.

AND IF THERE'S ANY DISPUTE TO THAT, THE COUNCIL HAS TO.

AND ALSO WHEN WE DO A BROCHURE TO SELL TO OUR COMMUNITY, THE PEOPLE IN THIS SHOULD REFLECT THE DIVERSITY OF OUR COMMUNITY.

YEAH. OKAY.

MINOR POINT. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE PICK OUT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO TELL THEM WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $3.5 MILLION OF YOUR MONEY, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, THAT'S NOT HARDEEVILLE.

AND REALLY IT'S IMPORTANT.

AND WE SHOULD HAVE SOME VETERAN IMAGES IN THERE AS WELL.

EXACTLY. IT SHOULD IT SHOULD REFLECT OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE A SELLING POINT TO OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S JUST I GOT MORE BUT I'LL LET THE COUNCIL CHIME IN.

JOHN, DO YOU WANT TO SAY MORE ABOUT.

BECAUSE WHERE THIS ENTRANCE IS.

AND BY THE WAY, FIRST OF ALL, I'M SORRY.

THESE THIS IS BEAUTIFUL, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

BUT THIS IS IF I HAVE MY GEOGRAPHY RIGHT.

ISN'T THIS WHERE TB CARROLL PARK IS RIGHT NOW? YES. RIGHT NEXT TO THE TRAIN.

YEAH, IT KIND OF GOT ME.

HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE STRAIN AND ALL THAT.

AND ARGENT LUMBER COMPANY AND DADDY SIGNS RIGHT NEXT TO IT, AND THEY REALLY SYNONYMOUS WITH EACH OTHER.

MY DADDY WORKED 40 YEARS IN THE CITY AS A TOWN DOCTOR.

IN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, AND CITY COUNCIL DEDICATED THAT PARK TO HIM 40 SOMETHING YEARS AGO.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING I'M PROUD OF.

AND WE WERE JUST TALKING EARLIER TODAY ABOUT PRESERVING HARDEEVILLE AND ALL IN ONE THING.

AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, IF DADDY'S NAME IS NOT SOMEWHERE ON THAT PARK, PROMINENT THE CITIZENS OF HARDEEVILLE, I'M TELLING YOU, THEY WILL COME UP IN MASS.

WELL, THEY SHOULD ALSO, MAYBE AS PART OF THAT AREA THAT THAT JAMES HAD TALKED ABOUT INSIDE THE BUILDING IS THAT THERE'S EVEN RECOGNITION OF THAT HISTORY, BECAUSE I ALREADY TALKED TO MIKE ABOUT THIS A WHILE BACK, AND MIKE HAD ASSURED ME THAT, YOU KNOW, HE WAS GOING TO I THINK IT SHOULD BE I THINK, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS ALREADY NAMED. AND SO I THINK THE NAME WHICH IS ON THERE, THAT SITE NOW SHOULD BE I LOVE THIS ARCHWAY.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE RIGHT THERE.

SO, MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY ONE THING THOUGH, IF YOU'RE ON MAIN STREET AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LIBRARY, THE CARROLL PARK IS TO THE LEFT OF THE LIBRARY.

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SO IT'S NOT THE SAME.

IT'S NOT THE SAME AREA.

I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT DEBATING, I'M JUST SAYING SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE ORIENTATION.

BUT TB CARROLL PARK IS TO THE LEFT OF THE LIBRARY.

THIS VETERANS PARK IS LOCATED TO THE RIGHT ACROSS DASHER LANE, WHERE THE DASHER HOUSE WAS UNTIL YESTERDAY, INCORPORATING THE TRAIN AND THE TRAIN AND DADDY STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THAT'S A FUTURE. THAT'S A FUTURE PART OF THE OF THE HUB PLAN.

WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THIS.

THIS PLAN DOESN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THE TRAIN AT THIS POINT, I THINK I THINK I THREW IT OUT BECAUSE I THINK IT SHOULD BE PART OF.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAY, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE PART OF INCORPORATED INTO THIS AND NOT BE SUBJECTED TO A MINOR PART. YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A CHANCE TO TO COMBINE THE TWO THINGS BECAUSE PHASE TWO AND THREE DEALS WITH THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LIBRARY.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE NAMING OF THIS PARK IS GOING TO COME UP.

I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE A NAME.

IT COULD BE VETERANS MEMORIAL TB CARROLL CORNER.

YEAH. YOU KNOW THE PARK IS.

THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH.

BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT.

THIS IS GOING TO BE USED FOR CERTAIN A COUPLE OF TIMES A YEAR FOR FOR VETERAN SERVICES.

RIGHT? YEAH. THE REST OF THE TIME IT'S GOING TO BE KIDS THERE.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE GATHERING AND THERE'S FAMILIES AND HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WHO ARE STOPPING OFF EXIT FIVE AND EXIT EIGHT ON THEIR WAY.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S THEY COULD COME.

THERE'S A GATHERING PLACE, YOU KNOW, THE WALK AROUND THEY GO INSTEAD OF THAT FOUNTAIN, THEY CAN GO OVER TO THE SPLASH PAD THERE AND COOL OFF DURING THOSE HOT SUMMER DAYS.

RIGHT. THAT'S A SUBTLE LITTLE REMINDER.

YEAH, NOT SO SUBTLE.

WE'RE GOING TO PUT A FOUNTAIN OUT THERE, TAKE THAT ENTIRE DISTRICT ALONG MAIN STREET REALLY IS.

WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT AS AS TB CARROLL PARK.

AND THEN THERE ARE VARIOUS PIECES WITHIN IT.

BECAUSE ALL OF THIS IS GREAT NEWS.

EXACTLY, EXACTLY.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT WHOLE THING.

AND THERE ARE VARIOUS ELEMENTS WITHIN IT.

WE'RE DEFINITELY IN AGREEMENT BECAUSE A SINGLE USE PARK.

ISN'T GOING TO BE USED THAT YOU TRIED TO CREATE MULTIPLE USES, RIGHT? THIS IS DEFINITELY THIS WHOLE AREA WILL DEFINITELY BE A BENEFIT TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY AS WELL, THAT THIS WILL BE A PLACE.

AND THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT, WHICH I SAID, IF YOU RECALL, YOU KNOW, AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP.

THERE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A MONUMENT FOR ALL THE VARIOUS WARS, BUT THERE SHOULD.

ONE OF THOSE SERIES OF MONUMENTS SHOULD BE FOR FIRST RESPONDERS.

OKAY. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

AND THIS THERE'S SUCH A HISTORY OF PEOPLE WHO DEVOTED THEMSELVES IN THEIR FIRST RESPONDERS THAT I THINK THAT'S THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THIS.

IT'S NOT JUST VETERANS, IT'S IT'S SERVICE PEOPLE.

THERE SHOULD BE ALSO, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SLABS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW, WHY IS CAROL PARK WHO HE WAS AND WHAT HIS HISTORY HISTORY.

YEAH. AND IT PUTS A, IT PUTS A NAME AND FACE AND REASON TO BE GOOD TO THE OVERALL PERSON.

I DO HAVE ONE CONCERN THOUGH WITH THIS YOU REALIGNMENT OF DASHER LANE.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE AWAY THE HANDICAPPED ACCESS PARKING.

WE STILL WE STILL HAVE IT.

WE STILL HAVE IT'S PARALLEL PARKING BUT IT'S STILL HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE.

IT'S STILL HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE.

BUT IS IT HANDICAPPED VAN ACCESSIBLE.

YES OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

BECAUSE I LOOK AT YOUR NEXT THE NEXT PHASE WHERE YOU'VE MOVED THE PARKING TO THE BACK, FURTHER TO THE BACK, AND OUR LIBRARY IS WELL USED AND YOU'LL FIND THAT I'M QUITE THE ADVOCATE FOR THE ADA REQUIREMENTS.

YEAH. I THINK LIKE THIS WILL ALL BE ADA.

HOW MANY ARE YOU ANTICIPATING? THREE. THREE? WELL, YES, THREE.

AND THAT WOULD BE A FLUSH CURB AS WELL.

AND THEN MORE THAN LIKELY, YOU KNOW, RIGHT HERE IN THIS VICINITY WOULD BE HANDICAPPED.

AND THEY WILL BE MARKED ACCORDINGLY FOR HANDICAPPED.

NOW I DIDN'T MENTION BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE STREET GET STRIPED AS WELL AND THAT THERE WOULD BE PARKING ON THE.

OUCH. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO.

THE SURVEY DIDN'T PICK UP THE OTHER SIDE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO SEE YOU HAVE SUCH A WIDE ROAD.

THERE IS. HOW DO YOU HOW CAN YOU UTILIZE SOME OF THAT TO BE USABLE?

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HOW WIDE IS IT? I DON'T KNOW THE DIMENSIONS.

I DON'T KNOW, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY.

IT'S IN THE 30 SOME FOOT RANGE, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL TWO LANES IS, YOU KNOW, 11 TO 12FT PER LANE.

SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO SLOW CARS DOWN A LITTLE BIT, YOU KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PUT A LITTLE TIGHTNESS ON THAT TO SLOW THEM DOWN.

BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S A PRETTY WIDE PROFILE, YOU KNOW, ADDITION OF ON STREET PARKING.

YOU NEED TO GO TO THE MICROPHONE IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK.

OKAY. YEAH.

THE ADDITION OF ON STREET PARKING THERE WOULD ADD SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE MAIN STREET CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF THAT STREET TREES, SIDEWALKS, ON STREET PARKING.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WHEN PEOPLE DRIVE THROUGH A PLACE LIKE THAT, THEY THINK, YOU KNOW, OKAY, THIS IS THIS IS AN AREA WHERE I CAN STOP AND ENJOY IT.

SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS.

IT WOULD TAKE CAREFUL STUDY OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE PAVEMENT.

D.O.T., BUT SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS YOU GO FORWARD.

THERE'S ANOTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT.

THIS CITY HAS A ULTIMATE GOAL IN THE ARCHIVES FOR BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS.

I'D RATHER SEE PERSONALLY ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STREET.

I'D RATHER SEE, I THINK WE NEED BIKE LANES AS WELL.

THEY USED TO BE PARKING ON MAIN STREET.

I THINK LATER OVER THE YEARS THEY STOPPED THAT.

BUT IF YOU'D BEEN YEARS AGO, LIKE WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, YOU'D SEE CARS PARKED ALONG MAIN STREET, UP THE COMMON.

WELL, WE. I'M SORRY, PROGRAMS THAT IT'S REALLY WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE.

OUR SUGGESTION IS, IS THIS BECOMES MORE ACTIVE THAN PARKING WILL BE A HIGHER DEMAND.

SO HOW DO YOU ACCOMMODATE THAT? MAYBE IT'S IT'S IT'S PARKING WHEN THERE'S ACTIVITIES GOING ON.

AND BUT YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF WORKING IN THE BIKE LANES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT I DON'T I DON'T SEE ON STREET PARKING AND BIKE LANES BEING COMPATIBLE, YOU KNOW.

SO THAT'S A CHOICE WE HAVE TO MAKE, YOU KNOW.

BUT THERE IS A GOAL IN, IN THE PLAN TO CONNECT OUR CITY WITH BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN TRAILS.

SO DID I UNDERSTAND YOU RIGHT SAYING THAT? THIS POD WILL.

TAKE CARE OF BASICALLY OUR FIRST THINGS.

IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE ON WITH THIS, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND AN ALTERNATIVE FOR OUR STORMWATER.

YES. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S A BIG THAT IS VERY BIG BECAUSE RELOCATING OUR STORMWATER CLOSER OVER TO WHITE HARDY, WE GIVE UP POTENTIALLY REVENUE GENERATING LAND ALSO.

IT'S A BIG IT'S A BIG IT'S A BIG GOING TO BE A BIG PROBLEM.

YEAH, WE WERE HOPING WE COULD STORE WITH THE FILL UNDERNEATH, BUT THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH.

YEAH. MASTER PLAN FOR A SECOND.

LET'S SEE IF THERE'S ANOTHER SPACE.

SIX. SIX. I MEAN, I SAY.

THAT IS A PROBLEM, THOUGH, STEVE.

YOU'RE RIGHT. YEAH.

WE'RE STUCK. WE ARE STUCK.

I WOULD SAY THAT EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW HAS ALREADY BEEN ACCOMMODATED FOR, AND THAT WHAT WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT IS. THAT PARKING RIGHT THERE.

MAYBE SOME OF THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE IN THERE.

BUT IT IS SOMETHING TO DEFINITELY THINK ABOUT.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S THIS PLACE, THIS PLAYGROUND, JUST TO GET TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE.

YEAH. ANOTHER THING THAT THIS PLAN SHOWS IS HOW WELL CONNECTED ALL OF THIS IS.

THIS WILL ADD TREMENDOUS VALUE, AS YOU WERE SAYING A MINUTE AGO, FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I MEAN, THIS SITE NOW BECOMES A VERY HIGH PROFILE SITE FOR FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT INFILL.

SO IS THERE ROOM BACK HERE? MAYBE THERE'S LAND BACK HERE.

ONE OF THE THE ASPECTS OF THIS PLAN THAT IS REALLY AMAZING IS TO CONNECT MARTIN STREET TO WHYTE HARDEE, AND THEN CONNECT DASHER TO THAT EXTENDED MARTIN STREET.

THAT GRID IS WHAT ADDS VALUE TO ALL OF THIS.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE POINT TODD IS MAKING IS WE NEED TO BEGIN TO LOOK AT THE AREAS AROUND THIS SITE AND START THINKING ABOUT WHERE WE CAN PUT SOME LAND, BECAUSE AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS NOW, THE FUTURE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL IS REALLY ZERO UNTIL WE FIND A PLACE WHERE THE STORMWATER FOR THAT AREA ALSO

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STEVE. THERE'S NO AND I'M NOT AN ENGINEER SO BUT IS IN NO WAY TO SOMEHOW.

HAVE UNDERGROUND PIPE OR SOMETHING.

SO IT RUNS LIKE IT GOES TO SAY A SITE.

AND THEN AFTER THAT IT GOES UNDERGROUND TO SOMEPLACE THAT'S NOT SO OBTRUSIVE.

YEAH, YEAH.

I MEAN, IS THAT POSSIBLE? YEAH. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY ALONG MARKET STREET.

WE DO WANT TO MARKET THAT.

IT'S. I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THE FLOW PATTERN IS.

AND I WISH WE HAD SORT OF AN OVERALL TOPOGRAPHIC MAP, BUT THERE'S A DITCH THAT KIND OF COMES ALONG THIS PROPERTY LINE AND THEN RUNS RIGHT THROUGH HERE.

THE BOY STREET, AND THEN IT RUNS DOWN BOYD STREET TO A 30 INCH CULVERT.

AT WHERE? WELL, I GUESS THAT'S CALLED BOYD STREET, WHERE IT COMES OUT ON WHITE HARDY.

THERE'S A CULVERT RIGHT THERE THAT THEN GOES UNDER WHITE HARDY AND GOES SOMEWHERE TO THE WEST.

SO THAT'S THAT'S THE PATH, THIS DITCH.

SO THIS POND DISCHARGES TO THIS DITCH, WHICH THEN GOES UP HERE BY THE MASONIC BUILDING AND THEN DOWN THAT WAY.

SO, SO THIS IS SORT OF THE THIS IS THE WAY IT ALL GOES IS RIGHT HERE.

SO, SO THE POND THAT YOU HAVE THERE TODAY HAS A LITTLE CONTROL STRUCTURE ON IT.

IT'S BASICALLY A CONCRETE BOX THAT LETS THE WATER OUT AND IT GOES OUT OF IT INTO THIS DITCH AND OVER, OVER TO HERE AND TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF UNDERGROUND DETENTION, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO.

YOU CAN STORE WATER UNDERGROUND SOMETIMES IN VARIOUS TYPES OF CHAMBERS, ARCHES, PLASTIC, CONCRETE.

THERE ARE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS FOR THAT, BUT IT IS ALL RELIANT ON A.

ON A ON A COMPATIBLE GROUNDWATER TABLE.

IF YOU CAN'T PUT IT BELOW THE GROUNDWATER TABLE, THAT VOLUME IS ALREADY OCCUPIED WITH WATER IN THE GROUNDWATER TABLE.

SO SO IT HAS TO BE THERE HAS TO BE.

I THINK THE STATE RULE IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A CHAMBER OR WHATEVER IT IS, OR SOME KIND OF UNDERGROUND STORAGE VESSEL, THE BOTTOM OF IT HAS TO BE SIX INCHES ABOVE THE GROUNDWATER.

SO SO YOU PUT THIS CONTAINMENT UNDERGROUND SIX INCHES ABOVE THE GROUNDWATER, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE COVER OVER THAT FOR BASS AND PAVEMENT AND SUBGRADE AND UTILITIES.

SO YOU COULD END UP, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR FINAL GRADE SURFACE BEING 6 OR 7FT HIGHER THAN WHAT IT IS TODAY, BE ABLE TO STORE THAT UNDERGROUND.

SO IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, GIVEN THE GROUNDWATER CONDITIONS UNDER UNDERGROUND DETENTION IS KIND OF A CHALLENGE.

AND THEN YOU ALSO WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING UP LIKE THAT, TREE PRESERVATION IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING TO BUILD THE LAND UP SO HIGH IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO TREES.

SO HEATH, IF WE WERE TO PICK UP SOME SPACE BACK HERE, COULD THAT ALL BE CONNECTED TO THIS SYSTEM OR PERHAPS EVEN TAKE A CORNER BACK HERE IN THE BACK? I THINK I MEAN, IDEALLY BASED ON TOPOGRAPHY AND WHERE THE OUTFALL FROM ALL THIS IS, WHICH IS THIS PIPE HERE IS YOU WOULD CONTINUE SOMETHING SORT OF ALONG THIS ALIGNMENT RIGHT HERE. SO THAT IT COULD DISCHARGE TO THIS POINT WHERE IT IS WHERE IT ULTIMATELY GOES.

SO ANYWAY, FOOD FOR THOUGHT ON THAT.

IT'S. NOT A QUESTION FOR HEATH.

IS THERE ANY. AND AGAIN I KNOW WE VERY HISTORY OF THAT POND.

THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY TO DEEPEN THAT POND WITHOUT WITHOUT ADDING ADDING LENGTH DEPTH LOWER.

WELL THE GROUNDWATER WOULDN'T CHANGE THOUGH.

THAT'S THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS OKAY.

YOU'D BE YOU'D BE CREATING VOLUME.

BUT BENEATH IT THAT IS ALREADY OCCUPIED BY WATER WHICH DOESN'T.

OH OKAY. DOESN'T ALLOW US MORE.

RIGHT. SO IF YOU, YOU SHOULD REALLY JUST GETTING CLOSER TO THE GROUND, MAKING IT A DEEPER POND.

BUT STILL IT'S ONLY IT'S ONLY SIX INCHES BELOW AS IT IS, RIGHT.

YEAH. I'M ASKED HE'S A QUESTION IS THERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S DOWN THIS WAY.

IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY DOWNSTREAM TO ADDRESS? THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S A DOT RIGHT OF WAY IN BETWEEN.

AND DOT WILL INSIST UPON RECEIVING.

THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT RATE OR TODAY'S RATE, THEY WILL NOT LET US CROSS RIGHT AWAY WITH SOMETHING MORE THAN WHAT IT GETS TODAY.

WE'VE ATTEMPTED THAT IN THE PAST, VERY RECENTLY, AS A MATTER OF FACT, AND IT WAS EXPLICITLY PROHIBITED.

SO IT WOULD NEED TO BE ON THE UPSTREAM SIDE OF WHAT? CAN BE CHANGED TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.

IT'S THE FUTURE THAT WILL BE THE ISSUE, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND NOTHING SAYS THAT YOU DO THIS AS AN INTERIM AND THEN LATER ON, YOU KNOW, IT GETS FILLED AND THEN YOU DO SOMETHING ELSE.

CORRECT. BUT DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF AS YOU KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE REST OF THE AREA SORT OF TIES TOGETHER.

SO, HEATH, IF WE WERE TO TAKE THIS CORNER BY 15 AND 16, WHICH IS NOT FRONTAGE, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT

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YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

AND IT'S NOT AS VALUABLE AS THE FRONTAGE.

OKAY. OTHER COMMENTS.

TIMELINE IN TERMS OF THE PHASES IN DOING THIS, HOW WHAT TIME? WHAT'S THE SORT OF TIMELINE FROM YOU START YOU GET FIRST PHASE SECOND.

CAN YOU GIVE US SOME SENSE OF THAT.

WHAT THE PHASING PLAN AND JUST HOW LONG YOU KNOW, YOU GET STARTED? IS IT GOING TO BE DONE IN A YEAR? IS IT TWO YEARS? SO AS I MENTIONED, PHASE ONE IS SORT OF THIS AREA HERE.

WE'RE EMBARKING ON THE NEXT STAGE OF OUR CONTRACT, WHICH IS CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, AND PERMITTING, I'D SAY ABOUT 3 TO 4 MONTHS FOR CDS, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND THEN PERMITTING THE.

IT TAKES A YEAR TO GET A CZC FROM BEING SO EARLY IN THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WHEN WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD, WE'LL START EMBARKING ON THE PERMITTING PHASE.

THEN YOU THEN YOU BID THIS FIRST PHASE, WHICH IS EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

YOU KNOW, WE STAND READY TO START WITH THE SECOND PHASE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING TB CARROLL PARK.

THIS WHOLE FRONT REALLY IS TB CARROLL PARK TO MAKE THIS WORK.

YOU KNOW, MARTIN STREET REALLY IS A VERY WIDE PAVED SECTION.

IT'S ALREADY SET UP NICELY TO HAVE ON STREET PARKING AND TO CREATE THAT SORT OF STREETSCAPE, IF YOU WILL.

SO SO MARTIN STREET, THE EXTENSION OVER TO WHYTE HARDEE, WHICH REALLY ADDS THE VALUE TO ALL OF THIS.

SO THE QUESTION I WOULD ASK OF YOU IS, DO YOU WANT TO SORT OF BITE OFF THESE ONE PIECE AT A TIME, OR IS THE NEXT PIECE REALLY TO EXTEND THE STREETS, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE STORM DRAINAGE AND THE WATER AND SEWER? SO IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REST OF IT, WE COULD DO THAT, YOU KNOW.

LET'S EMBARK ON THOSE PLANS WHILE WE'RE DOING THE CDS ON THIS.

THE NEXT PHASE, THOUGH, WOULD BE DO SCHEMATIC DESIGN FOR WHATEVER PIECE YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DEVELOP THESE KINDS OF CONCEPTS FOR THE ENTIRE MUNICIPAL HUB.

SO THAT'S IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS.

WELL, THE QUESTION THAT BEGS THE QUESTION, MIKE, HOW ARE WE PAYING FOR THIS? CAN WE USE CAN WE USE A TAX FUNDS.

THIS THIS IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE CHAMBER.

IT'S A VISITOR DESTINATION.

CAN WE AND DO WE HAVE THE MONEY TO USE A TAX FOR THIS? THAT'S A QUESTION WE'D HAVE TO RESEARCH.

AND THE NEXT ITEM IS WHAT THE TOTALS ARE IN IN THE TAX AND H TAX.

SO IT'S ALL PART OF IT.

PROBABLY A PORTION COULD BE FUNDED.

I'M NOT SURE THE WHOLE PROJECT COULD BE I THINK OUR ORIGINAL ESTIMATES WERE IN THE 12 TO $15 MILLION IF YOU DID IT AT ALL.

WE'RE AT ABOUT THREE AND A HALF TO FOUR HERE.

AND SO THAT GIVES YOU AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE.

WE ARE SEEING OTHER COMMUNITIES HILTON HEAD IS USING A TAX FUNDING FOR PARKS.

SO DEPENDS ON THE PARK.

IF IT'S A IF IT'S A VISITOR ORIENTED DESTINATION THEN MANY COMMUNITIES.

WELL THIS CERTAINLY IS THAT.

SO I GUESS WHAT WE NEED THE COUNCIL NEEDS MIKE IS ARE FUNDING OPTIONS.

AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? BECAUSE I CAN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION UNTIL WE ANSWER THE THE FUNDING QUESTION.

SO WE HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

OKAY. SO TODAY WE'RE REALLY HERE TO HEAR COMMENTS AND INPUT.

ARE WE GOOD. ANY MORE SUGGESTIONS OR QUESTIONS, MODIFICATIONS TO THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN BEFORE WE? I HAVE JUST ONE AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

THE OTHER PARTS OF THE TOTAL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, HOW MUCH STORMWATER DRAINAGE WILL WE NEED? WE'VE SAID WE COULD MAYBE USE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT PORTION FOR SOME OF IT.

WE HAVE WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

I MEAN, THE I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS WE NEED IF WE'RE GOING TO COMPLETE THE WHOLE PARK, WE SHOULD START PLANNING FOR THAT STORMWATER FROM THE VERY START.

IF YOU GUYS SAY, WE'D LIKE YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TEAM PROPOSAL FOR THE REMAINING PIECES, THE FIRST THING WE WOULD DO IS HAVE HEATH DO A STORMWATER ANALYSIS FOR THIS ENTIRE FOR THIS ENTIRE DISTRICT RIGHT HERE, AND THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY ANSWER THAT.

THANK YOU. THEN YOU COULD LOOK AT LAND ACQUISITION AND LAND UTILIZATION FOR THAT VERY IMPORTANT PIECE.

SO THE FIRST THE FIRST, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE WOULD PROVIDE TO YOU BEFORE WE GET INTO SCHEMATIC DESIGN EVEN, WOULD BE A STORMWATER ANALYSIS.

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I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

THIS IS A COST QUESTION.

HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS THE PAVILION? THE ENTIRE THING IS ABOUT 3800FT².

SO WE 3000 803,800.

UNDER ROOF. UNDER ROOF.

AND SO WE TOOK WE AGAIN, BEING EARLY IN THE SCHEMATICS, WE'VE DONE A FEW OTHER PARK PAVILIONS FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES HERE.

SO WE KIND OF LOOKED AT AVERAGE OF WHAT THOSE WE JUST BID ONE OUT.

ACTUALLY IT WAS SMALLER THAN THIS.

AND THEN THIS ONE'S GOT A FEW MORE RESTROOMS. AND AGAIN, WE PROBABLY UPSIZED THE NUMBER OF RESTROOMS HERE WITH THE ANTICIPATION OF A MUCH BROADER CONTEXT THAN JUST.

SERVING. IT'S THE REASON I ASK THE QUESTION, IS BECAUSE I CAN BUY ANY 3800 SQUARE FOOT HOME IN HARDEEVILLE FOR LESS THAN A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS.

ANYONE YOU WANT? AND THAT, INCLUDING WITH LAND, THIS LAND IS ALREADY.

IT'S NOT PART. THE LAND IS ALREADY THERE.

I'M. I'M HAVING A TOUGH TIME RELATING A MILLION AND A HALF OPEN AIR STRUCTURE.

WITH, WITH WHAT THE COST OF OF HOMES ARE AND I UNDERSTAND AND THE THERE ABOUT THE RECENT NUMBERS WE PULLED FOR PARK PAVILIONS.

THEY RAN ABOUT $400 A SQUARE FOOT.

AND THE ONLY THE THING THAT YOU DO HAVE TO CONSIDER VERSUS A HOUSE IS BECAUSE IT'S AN OPEN AIR PAVILION.

WE ARE FINISHING EVERY SINGLE SIDE.

THERE'S NO ATTICS, THERE'S NO NOTHING.

AND SO HERE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, LIKE WHEN WE PULLED, WE JUST RECENTLY PULLED THE NUMBERS, RANSOM AVERAGES.

AND JUST FROM AGAIN, IT'S EARLY IN THE CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN PROCESS OF IT.

AND WE CAN SET SOME BOGIES OF WHAT WE WANT TO BE AT AND TRY TO HIT IT.

UM, BUT JUST THE TIMBER FRAMING, THE BRICK MATERIALS, ALL OF THAT, AND IT BEING AN OPEN AIR PARK PAVILION ACTUALLY PROBABLY COST MORE THAN JUST BEING AN ENCLOSED BUILDING, BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING TO FINISH ALL THE SIDES OF IT WITH A CLOSED BUILDING WITH HEATING, AIR CONDITIONING.

I MEAN, I'M NOT A BUILDER, BUT I DID I DID STAY AT THE HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS AND THIS I'M JUST A PLUS B ISN'T COMING UP TO C HERE.

YOU KNOW WHAT THE GOOD NEWS IS? WHEN THIS THING GOES OUT TO BID, WE'LL HAVE WE'LL HAVE NUMBERS.

AND IF IT COMES IN LOWER.

YEAH. YEAH.

BUT. RIGHT. EXACTLY.

BUT YOU MENTIONED 400FT² AGAIN.

MY, MY WIFE TELLS ME THIS I DON'T KNOW FIRSTHAND, BUT SHE TELLS ME AND SHE WATCHES ALL THE TIME.

THERE'S NOT A HOME IN PROBABLY NOT EVEN IN HILTON HEAD.

THAT'S $400 A SQUARE FOOT.

I MEAN, COME ON, GUYS, THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME SORT OF RELATION TO A CLOSED HOUSE WITH ALL THE WIRING, ALL THE WALLS, THE HARDIPLANK, THE OR WHATEVER THE WALLS ARE.

IT JUST IT DOESN'T COMPUTE.

COMPUTE TO ME.

I'M HAVING A TOUGH TIME NOW.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT.

I'M JUST TELLING YOU, I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THAT.

WE PULLED THE NUMBERS. I MEAN, WE'RE LIKE.

WELL, I MEAN AND AGAIN, WE KIND OF APPLIED THERE'S PROBABLY SOME SCALE OF BECAUSE THIS WAS BIGGER THAN THE OTHER PAVILION THAT WE COMPARED IT TO.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU DO GET SOME COST AND WE CAN HAVE SOME CONTRACTOR TAKE A LOOK AT IT TOO HERE IN THE NEXT PHASE, JUST TO KIND OF REALLY VET THE NUMBERS TO MAKE SURE I WANT TO SEE WHAT KIND OF HOUSE THAT CONTRACT IS LIVING IN.

WE DO HAVE SOME HOMES, AND THERE ARE HOMES GOING UP IN THE 1000 $1,200 A SQUARE FOOT.

OKAY. I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR THE POINT.

I'M JUST I'M GOING TO IT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

YEAH. THIS WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE SOME GOOD NEWS LATER ON, WOULDN'T IT? YEAH. THE.

OKAY, I GOT THAT, GOT THAT.

ALL RIGHT, SO IN THIS PAVILION.

THERE'S RESTROOMS, RIGHT? YES, SIR. OKAY.

MEN'S AND WOMEN'S. AND ALSO TWO FAMILY RESTROOMS. AND YOU MENTIONED BEFORE.

BEYOND THAT IS WHAT IS THE INTERN HOUSE, RIGHT? AND THAT'S STILL THERE TODAY.

RIGHT? OKAY.

JUST A THOUGHT.

WHAT IF WE JUST MADE THIS AN OPEN AIR PAVILION THAT COST $500,000, BY THE WAY? NO. JUST KIDDING. AND WE MADE THE INTERN HOUSE A RESTROOM HOUSE.

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SO IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE CLOSE AND CONVENIENT PARKING FOR VETERANS WHO WILL NEED MOST INCONVENIENT.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, OR COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND SAY, OKAY, IF WE LEFT THE INTERN HOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD PERHAPS AT THAT POINT YOU DON'T NEED A 3800 SQUARE FOOT PAVILION BECAUSE THERE'S NO RESTROOMS IN THERE, RIGHT? AND SO THERE'S SOME SCALE.

AND THEN HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS? BECAUSE YOU DO PARKING ALL AROUND IT, WOULDN'T YOU? WELL, THE PART OF THE REASON WHY WE TRY TO ABSORB AS MUCH PARKING IN THE STREETS AS POSSIBLE IS TO DIMINISH THE AMOUNT OF SURFACE PARKING.

WE DON'T WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE A LARGE COMMERCIAL AREA WITH SURFACE PARKING, SO WE DO HAVE PARKING ON THE STREETS.

HOWEVER, YOU HAVE TO BUILD THOSE STREETS, AND FOR THOSE STREETS TO BE BUILT, YOU NEED TO BEGIN TO CLEAR AND TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THIS SITE.

THE THE INTERNS HOUSE IS IN THIS PARKING LOT.

SO FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.

IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING FOR THIS.

FOR THIS, RIGHT? YEAH. THEN YOU JUST HAVE TO DECIDE TO WHAT SCALE DO YOU WANT THIS PARK TO BE? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO SCRUNCH IT DOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT REALLY WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THIS ON LOOK LIKE TWO RESIDENTIAL PARCELS.

SO THE MORE YOU KIND OF SHRINK IT DOWN, OBVIOUSLY THE SCALE AND EVERYTHING GOES DOWN WITH IT.

SO I'M JUST THINKING FROM THE STANDPOINT, IF YOU USED THE INTERN HOUSE AS THE RESTROOM HOUSE, RIGHT, THEN YOU COULD DEVOTE MORE INTERNAL SPACE.

I'M NOT REALLY SUGGESTING YOU GO LESS THAN 3800FT², YOU KNOW, BUT IT WOULD GIVE YOU MORE EVENT SPACE AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE COST OF TEARING DOWN THE INTERN HOUSE.

YOU STILL HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT COULD ALWAYS BE RECONVERTED TO SOMETHING ELSE.

I MEAN, IT GIVES YOU IT SEEMS YOU WOULD HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY NOW THE PARKING THING.

YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE, JOHN, I'M NOT THE ENGINEER.

YOU HAVE TO DO THAT. BUT JUST THESE ARE JUST THOUGHTS I HAVE.

I PROBABLY HAVE TO DO AN ANALYSIS OF KIMLEY-HORN HOUSE IN ORDER TO TURN IT INTO FULLY ACCESSIBLE BANKS OF RESTROOMS AND ACCESS TO IT, AND FINISHES THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH YOU MIGHT FIND THAT YOU COULD KEEP SOME EXTERIOR STUD WALLS IN THE ROOF, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING IN ALL SORTS OF NEW PLUMBING.

AND SO WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO RUN AN ANALYSIS TO SEE IF THAT EXERCISE MADE SENSE OR NOT.

AND SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, I THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT.

BUT THE OTHER THING IS, THIS WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC FACILITY TO SERVE ALL OF WHAT WE'RE CALLING CARROLL PARK IN THE FUTURE.

YEAH. OKAY.

GOOD COMMENTS.

THE NUMBERS ON THE PAVILION ITSELF LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 2000 SQUARE FOOT OF OPEN SPACE IN THE FRONT.

THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT. IT COST SAVINGS BY REDUCING THAT, TAKING THAT DOWN TO 1000FT².

BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE PAVILION OUT IN FRONT OF IT.

WE HAVE THE OPEN AREA OUT IN FRONT OF IT.

ALSO, I THINK THAT THING COULD FLEX AND GROW.

I THINK IT MAY BE GOOD TO GET A BASELINE TO KIND OF SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.

AND AGAIN, THE OTHER FACILITIES WE KIND OF USE THERE WERE A LITTLE SMALLER, SO THE COST PER SQUARE FOOT MAY BE HIGHER BECAUSE THEY STILL HAD RESTROOMS AND THINGS IN THEM TOO.

IT BECOMES KIND OF THIS, I'LL CALL IT A GAME, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO ANTICIPATE THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO UNDER BUILD IT AND THEN HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADD ON TO IT LATER BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COST EVEN MORE.

AND THEN THE RESTROOMS, I THINK, ARE NECESSARY.

BUT THE ENCLOSED PAVILION, IT WILL BE USED SOMETIMES DURING THE YEARS.

I MEAN, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

I PERSONALLY, AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WE'RE BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE.

A FUTURE HAS 31,000 PEOPLE IN 2030.

THAT'S THAT'S OUR FUTURE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M I'D RATHER SEE THE BIGGER SPACE UP FRONT AND AND BECAUSE I THINK IF WE ACCOMPLISH OUR GOALS, YOU KNOW, WE ALL TALKED ABOUT OF UNITING OUR CITY.

THAT MEANS UNITING 30,000 PEOPLE.

YOU COULD HAVE.

I MEAN, YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WE HAVE 30,000 PEOPLE COMING FOR VETERANS DAY THIS SATURDAY, COMING DOWNTOWN.

[01:05:01]

SO LET'S.

I'M JUST MY THOUGHT I WOULDN'T UNDER BUILD IT.

I'M JUST I WAS JUST LOOKING OUT.

YEAH YEAH.

GOOD COMMENTS. MY COMMENT IS PROBABLY THE WISEST THING WE SAID IN THE BEGINNING.

AND THAT IS WE'RE NOT ENGINEERS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK HAPPENS, NO, I'M SPEAKING FOR YOU IN THIS CASE.

AND ME.

NO. MY POINT IS, WHEN YOU HAVE A DESIGN AND YOU PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO IT.

THE CRITICAL ISSUE TO ME IS FUNDING IT.

AND CAN WE AFFORD IT? AND AFFORD IT AT THE QUALITY LEVEL THAT WE WANT IT TO BE.

AND THAT MEANS NEIL GETTING BUSY ON GRANTS AND OTHER THINGS, BECAUSE IF YOU KEEP JACKING IT DOWN, I THINK YOU CHANGE THE WHOLE DESIGN, THE WHOLE FEELING BEHIND IT, AND YOU HAVE SOMETHING A LOT LESS THAN WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE.

AND I THINK HARRY'S POINT OF BUILDING FOR THE PLACE WE'RE GOING TO BE, AND SO I'M JUST CAUTIOUS.

SOMEONE SAID THE FIRST JOB I EVER HAD, THERE WAS A CONSULTANT CAME IN AND WE NEVER LISTENED TO ANYTHING HE SAID, AND IT LEFT AN IMPRESSION ON ME THE REST OF MY CAREER THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HEAR WHAT YOU SAY AND NOT TRY AND TINKER WITH IT AS NON-ENGINEERS.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WE'VE BEEN BUSINESS PEOPLE AND WE APPRECIATE BUDGETING AND LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES.

BUT I WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS THAT WE DON'T RUIN THIS CONCEPT HERE.

IT COULD BE THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD IT, BUT LET'S LET'S NOT AFFORD IT AS OPPOSED TO CHANGING IT AND GETTING SOMETHING ON A WHOLE LOT LESS.

RIGHT. THAT'S JUST MY POINT OF VIEW.

IT'S A GOOD POINT, ESPECIALLY ON THE I AGREE.

WELL, WE HAVE WE HAVE SOME TIME AND THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THE DESIGN.

YOU KNOW, IT'S SET UP RELATIVELY UNIFORM FROM A MASSING STANDPOINT.

SO WE CAN PUSH THE BALL DOWN THE FIELD A LITTLE BIT.

AND AGAIN, I'D LOVE TO HEAR IF YOU LIKE THE IDEA AND THE CONCEPT AND THE DESIGN IN GENERAL FOR HITTING THE RIGHT PATH.

AND LET'S GET SOME REAL WORLD NUMBERS AND MAYBE PRICING STABILIZES.

MAYBE IT COMES DOWN A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE'RE READY TO GET THIS THING HERE.

AND THEN IF WE NEED TO SHRINK OR GROW IT, BECAUSE IT CAME IN A LOT LESS THAN WE THOUGHT, WE HAVE THAT BUILDING CAN ACCORDION A LITTLE BIT.

THAT AND IT GIVES US SOME FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS DOWNSTREAM A LITTLE FARTHER, AGAIN, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, HEY, FIRST PASS, WE REALLY LIKE WHAT WE'RE GOING AND THEN WE CAN GET INTO DETAILS AND THINGS.

I WILL TELL YOU THIS, THAT WHAT YOU DO IN PHASE ONE IS GOING TO SET THE STAGE FOR THE COMMUNITY'S DESIRE FOR YOU TO CONTINUE WITH FUNDING.

THE NEXT THEY'RE GOING TO GO, WOW, RIGHT.

HAVE YOU SEEN WHAT YOU'VE DONE DOWN THERE? YEAH. WOW.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT. NOBODY QUESTIONS US HOW MUCH MONEY WE SPENT ON THAT REC CENTER BECAUSE IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

AND PEOPLE PEOPLE LOVE IT AND THEY USE IT.

OKAY. WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE THE RESTROOM FACILITIES THAT YOU HAVE PUT IN IT WILL BE ENOUGH TO SERVE SUFFICE FOR THE WHOLE PARK, WHICH IS A GOOD THAT'S LOOKING AHEAD INSTEAD OF HAVING TO BUILD ANOTHER SET OF RESTROOMS. RIGHT? I THINK SO. AND OF COURSE, A LARGE EVENT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PULL IN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT RESTROOMS ARE EXPENSIVE.

YES. YEAH.

SO WHEN YOU TURN IT DOWN, TEARING DOWN THAT IN TURN HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOOD.

YEAH. I THINK ANOTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MULTIPLE USES IS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PUT PICNIC TABLES AND SOME THINGS UNDER THERE AND IT BECOMES USABLE.

RIGHT. YES, YES.

YEAH. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF EVENTS.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT CONCEPT I THINK.

I THINK TO MIKE, WHAT THIS REALLY SAYS TO ME IS THAT WE DO THE BIDDING PROCESS TO REALLY GET OURSELVES SHARP AT DOING THIS AND REALLY HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT STRATEGIC PLAN ON THIS BIDDING, AS OPPOSED TO JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE AND SEEING WHAT COMES IN.

I THINK WE NEED TO BE A LOT MORE PROACTIVE FOR THE BENEFIT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET BY THAT PROACTIVENESS AND USING OUR CAPABILITIES TO REALLY BID THIS WELL AND STRATEGICALLY AND COMPENSATE FOR THIS BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL AGREE WE WANT THAT WOW EFFECT ON THIS.

AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

WE'RE FORTUNATELY HAVE SOME VERY GOOD CONTRACTORS IN THE REGION.

JOE NIX JUST DID OUR DOLPHIN HEAD PARK AND HILTON HEAD PLANTATION, WHICH IS OPENING THIS WEEKEND.

AND IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO GO DOWN THERE, IT'D BE A GREAT SITE FOR YOU TO SEE.

IT'S GOT A PAVILION, A PLAYGROUND, EVENT LAWN, A LOT OF THE SIMILAR THINGS.

GO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

HE'S ONE EXAMPLE OF A VERY GOOD LOCAL CONTRACTOR WHOM WE'VE WORKED ON WITH MULTIPLE PROJECTS, AND I KNOW HE'S ALSO BEEN ENGAGED JUST RECENTLY WITH TOM BLUFFTON FOR THE NEW

[01:10:07]

SOUNDS LIKE THESE AREN'T HIS FIRST RODEO.

AS YOU GET AND CELEBRATION PARK ON HILTON HEAD.

HE WORKED. SO DID YOU DO CELEBRATION PARK? THAT WAS THAT'S THAT'S A NICE, NICE SPACE THAT GOOD JOB ON THAT.

THAT WAS THAT WAS A GOOD JOB.

THANK YOU. YOU GUYS HAVE HAD SOME GREAT COMMENTS.

OTHER THOUGHTS.

YOU CAN GIVE US DIRECTION I'M EXCITED FOR THE PROJECT.

THANK YOU. YEAH THIS IS TERRIFIC.

IMPRESSIVE DESIGNS.

AND I THINK SO WE HAVE TO, MIKE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT FUNDING SOURCES SO WE KNOW WHAT WE CAN SPEND.

NUMBER TWO, I THINK WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, GET THE NAMING THING BEHIND US AND WE CAN EASILY UPDATE THESE THINGS.

[B. ATAX and HTAX FINANCIAL REVIEW]

AS BO SAID, LET'S LET'S FIND OUT HOW WE CAN PAY FOR IT.

AND THEN WE KNOW HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH WE CAN ACTUALLY DO.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M OF THE MIND.

LET'S DO ALL $12 MILLION, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE CAN FIND $12 MILLION.

BUT WE DID FIND $9 MILLION FOR THE REC CENTER.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AROUND AND.

WE'RE GOING TO PASS THE HAT AROUND.

SO ANYBODY. DON'T LEAVE BEFORE WE.

LEAVE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

AND WE WILL MAN.

MATZ, OUR TEAM LEADER FROM YOUR SIDE.

SO FEEL FREE TO GIVE WHATEVER COMMENTS YOU HAVE TO HIM.

HE'S DOING A GREAT JOB. HE DOES A GREAT JOB WITH EVERYTHING HE DOES.

SO OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

TERRIFIC WORK.

IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL.

APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT.

LET'S GET ON I KNOW.

WOULD YOU PREFER HAVING A REAL HARD SELL LIKE.

SELLING BRICKS AT THE LIBRARY? BELIEVE ME, IT IS.

AND I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T DO IT, BUT I WOULDN'T RELY ON GETTING A LOT OF MONEY.

THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF IT.

WELL, YOU KNOW, WE CAN INCORPORATE THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK INTO ONE AND PASS IT DOWN ONCE BEFORE.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE PRICE TAG WAS SO BAD.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING, HARRY, I WAS GOING TO, I GUESS, BE BEHIND THE.

WELL, IT DOESN'T MATTER. I DON'T GET IT.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING FOR THE FIRST PHASE WITH IT.

WELL, I WOULD USE AS MUCH A-TAX MONEY AS WE CAN.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH $12 MILLION, BUT $3 MILLION IS IS THAT'S A THAT'S AN APPLE WE COULD BITE OFF OF. WE ONLY HAVE AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED FROM FINANCE IS HOW MUCH TAX MONEY DO WE STILL HAVE. WE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO SAY THAT IT EXACTLY AS HARRY.

HE'S LIKE OKAY CHOMPING AT THE BIT.

GO AHEAD JOHN. AND IT TURNS OUT REALLY GOOD.

AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE WANTING TO DO THE OTHER.

SURE. SO YOU HAD A GOOD POINT.

SURE. OKAY, SO THE CITY MANAGER ASKED ME JUST TO PREPARE A COUPLE OF SLIDES TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR A A AND H-TAX.

AND AS I USUALLY DO, I'M GOING TO GO FAST UNTIL YOU ALL JUMP IN AND START ASKING QUESTIONS.

I DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE IT ALL.

DEFINITIONS. YOU SEE STATE A-TAX THAT COMES TO US AND IT'S REALLY THREE DIFFERENT PIECES.

THE FIRST $25,000 THAT THE CITY RECEIVES IN A-TAX IS USED FOR GENERAL OPERATIONS.

THEN AFTER THAT STATE A-TAX MONEY THAT COMES TO THE CITY, 5% IS FOR GENERAL OPERATIONS, 65% IS INDIRECT, 30% IS DIRECT.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE SORRY, THE 60, THE 65% HERE FOR ADVERTISING AND PROMOTION.

YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS THE DIRECT THAT IS OUR DMO WHICH IS CURRENTLY THE JASPER CHAMBER.

SO THAT MONEY IS MONEY THAT'S FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD SPOKEN FOR THIS IS THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING THAT ARE BRINGING GRANTS AND PARKS AND REC OR THAT ARE SUPPORTING PARKS AND REC AND SO FORTH HERE WE ALSO HAVE A LOCAL TAX, WHICH IS FUNDS THAT MUST BE

[01:15:04]

AND THAT'S THE SAME WITH THE LOCAL H-TAX.

ONE THING THAT I'M SURE YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF, BUT WE WANTED TO POINT OUT, IS LOCAL A-TAX HAS FOR YEARS HAD SIX THINGS THAT IT COULD BE USED FOR THIS MOST RECENT LEGISLATIVE SESSION THEY ADDED A SEVENTH, WHICH ALLOWS US TO USE 15%, UP TO 15% OF OUR ANNUAL LOCAL A-TAX FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.

YOU SEE RIGHT THERE DEVELOPMENT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING.

SO WHAT THE CITY MANAGER HAD ASKED ME TO DO WAS GO AHEAD AND SAY IF WE DID THE FULL 15% OVER THE NEXT NUMBER OF YEARS, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? NOW, THIS DOES HAVE A SUNSET PROVISION OF 20, THE END OF CALENDAR YEAR 2030.

SO WE'VE GOT A LITTLE MORE THAN SEVEN YEARS TO WHERE THIS IS ACTUALLY IN PLACE.

GOING ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

YOU SEE THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE USING THESE FUNDS FOR DEBT SERVICE ON THE RECREATION CENTER THE LOCAL A AND THE LOCAL H TAX.

AND THEN WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES IS WE'RE SHOWING THAT IF WE USE THE 15% OF LOCAL A FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING, WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE DEBT OBLIGATIONS AND STILL HAVE SOME FUNDS TO DO OTHER THINGS.

AND THEN YOU SEE, FOR THE FUNDING OF FUTURE PROJECTS.

UM, WE CAN USE THESE FUNDS BY THEMSELVES.

OR WE COULD ALSO USE IT FOR GRANT MATCH, CERTAIN ALLOWABLE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

AND THEN STAFF IS WORKING.

WE'RE WORKING FINANCE AND THE CITY MANAGER AND SOME OTHERS.

AND OF COURSE JENNIFER COMBS STAFF.

WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE WORKING TO PUT TOGETHER A PROGRAM OF PROJECTS OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT TO YOU AT A FUTURE WORKSHOP. SO NOW WE GET INTO FUNDING AVAILABILITY.

YOU SEE, FROM THE LOCAL A-TAX STANDPOINT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S JUST SHOWING THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST ON WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THE RECREATION CENTER.

AND WHAT I'VE DONE STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 24 IS SAYING IF WE USE 15% OF OUR REVENUE, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? AND THEN AFTER WE'VE DONE THAT, YOU STILL SEE WE HAVE A FUND BALANCE THAT'S GROWING.

I DO WANT TO GO BACK AND SAY MY REVENUE NUMBERS HERE.

I ANTICIPATE THAT THEY'RE VERY CONSERVATIVE, BOTH FOR THE LOCAL A AND FOR THE LOCAL H.

THE DEBT SERVICE NUMBERS, WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE IN THE OUT YEARS.

SO SO FOR BOTH OF THOSE FOR THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE.

SO. IF WE WERE TO START IN FISCAL YEAR 24, WHICH IS THE FISCAL YEAR WE'RE IN NOW, AND WE WERE TO USE 15% TO SUPPORT WORKFORCE HOUSING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 1.3 MILLION AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.

AND AGAIN, CONSERVATIVE REVENUES, 15%.

AND THEN OUR FUND, OUR DEBT SERVICE.

YOU SEE THAT THE THAT OUR BALANCE IS GOING UP IS ANTICIPATED TO GO UP OVER THE NEXT NUMBER OF YEARS.

SO THE QUESTION THAT I WOULD BELIEVE COUNCIL HAS IS, OKAY, SO WE'RE STARTING TO BUILD SOME FUND BALANCE HERE.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO USE IT? THAT'S THE PROGRAM OF PROJECTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THAT WE PUT TOGETHER WITH FINANCE AND MR. CZYMBOR, MR. DAVIS, PROBABLY JODY AND SOME OTHERS, AND OF COURSE, JEN COHN STAFF TO SEE.

THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO.

AND THEN WHAT OUR PORTION OF THE TOTAL FUNDING WOULD BE.

AGAIN. I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP ROLLING UNTIL Y'ALL STOP ME.

THEN YOU SEE, FOR THE STATE INDIRECT TAX.

YOU SEE AGAIN WE'VE WE ARE WE DO HAVE SOME FUND BALANCE THERE WHERE WE'RE CONTINUING TO WE HAVE SOME FUND BALANCE THERE THAT WE COULD USE. MAIN THING WE HAVE TO DO IS NOT HAVE A ANY FUNDS SIT ON OUR BOOKS FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS.

SO THE BALANCE MIGHT STAY THE SAME.

BUT WE ARE ROLLING THROUGH.

IT'S A FIRST IN, FIRST OUT EXPENSE TYPE SCENARIO.

SO WE'RE WE'RE GOOD THERE.

SO YOU SEE WHERE THIS NUMBER DOESN'T CHANGE.

THE FIRST DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE HERE ARE THE FIRST ONES WE'RE SPENDING IN THE SUBSEQUENT YEARS.

AND THEN FOR THE WHAT ARE WE USING OUR STATE A-TAX FOR? WE JUST HAD FESTIVAL ON MAINE.

WE GOT THE SUN CITY PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENT, JASPER COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THEIR.

THE MARKETING PIECE.

WE ALSO HELP DEFRAY SOME OF THEIR ADMINISTRATION AND OPERATING COSTS.

AND THEN THEY DO SOME ADVERTISING FOR THE REC CENTER.

AND JASPER COUNTY 250 WAS WITHIN THE LAST MONTH HAD COME.

WE FUNDED THE HARDEEVILLE DOG PARK WITH THIS AND THEN LOW COUNTRY TOURISM COMMISSION FOR ADVERTISING DOES OUR DOES SOME WORK FOR US AS WELL.

SO JOHN.

[01:20:01]

WE'RE IN FISCAL YEAR 24, SIR.

WE'RE IN FISCAL 24.

THE WE HAVE A BALANCE UNUSED BETWEEN A-TAX AND H-TAX 1,000,006. BETWEEN A-TAX AND H-TAX, THAT WOULD BE THREE.

IT'S THE 1 MILLION. OH, IT'S IT'S OKAY THEN ANOTHER 1 MILLION.

SO IT'S THE THE 1,000,003 PLUS THE MILLION SIX.

YES. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT WE HAVE STATE A-TAX ANOTHER 427? CORRECT. SO THERE'S PLENTY OF MONEY THAT WE COULD FUND A MEMORIAL PARK.

THERE IS SOME MONEY THAT WE COULD THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.

YES. ABOUT BARROW.

YEAH, I'M LOOKING TO SEE WHAT'S AVAILABLE.

BECAUSE THE MILLION THREE IS AFTER ALL THOSE EXPENSES COME OUT RIGHT? YES, SIR. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE 1,000,003 ON THE A-TAX LINE.

WE HAVE 1,000,006 ON THE H-TAX LINE AND FOUR AND A QUARTER ON THE STATE A-TAX.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO IT'S LIKE THERE'S $3.5 MILLION UNSPENT.

YES. THAT IS OUR PROJECTED BALANCE IN THOSE.

OKAY. THAT'S MY QUESTION ON BACK UP ON WHAT THE MAYOR JUST ASKED.

HAS THE CHAMBER AND VARIOUS OTHER REQUESTS ALREADY BEEN FACTORED IN TO GET THAT BALANCE, LIKE WE KNOW HOW MUCH THE CHAMBER WANT? I KNOW WE WHEN DO THEY I GUESS I KNOW WE'VE GIVEN THEM MONEY.

WHEN DO THEY MAKE ANOTHER REQUEST? IF I COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

THIS IS JUST FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE PLAN TO DO THIS YEAR.

THIS IS WHAT WE ANTICIPATE THE BALANCE WILL BE AT THE END OF THE YEAR AFTER WHATEVER HAPPENS, WHENEVER IT HAPPENS.

SO YES, SIR.

YES, MA'AM. THAT'S THAT'S.

SO THAT'S THERE AND THAT'S THAT'S GROWN.

NEXT YEAR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 3 MILLION, 3 MILLION, 3,000,004 PLUS THE 427 FROM THE STATE.

YOU'RE TALKING ALMOST $4 MILLION.

WE'RE ALSO COUNTING. WE HAVE TO REMEMBER TO THE ECONOMY CAN CHANGE.

IT COULD HAVE IMPACT ON.

WELL, I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO GET AN ANSWER FROM THE COUNCIL IS, DO WE WANT TO DEVOTE THE 15%, OR IN THIS YEAR WOULD MEAN $93,000 TO A WORKFORCE HOUSING, THAT IS CERTAINLY A POLICY DECISION. WE'D LIKE SOME GUIDANCE YOU NEED.

YOU'RE LOOKING FOR OUR INPUT, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE INCORPORATE THAT IN THE NEXT BUDGET AMENDMENT.

THAT'S RIGHT. WE NEED THE COUNCIL TO SAY WHAT PERCENTAGE, THE WHOLE AMOUNT OR SOME LESS THAN THAT.

YOU WANT TO DEDICATE IT TO ATTAINABLE HOUSING.

LET ME GIVE SOME THE COUNCIL SOME BACKGROUND THAT MIGHT GIVE YOU SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

LAST WEEK.

WELL, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO I SPOKE TO A GROUP CALLED TAB.

IT'S A I DON'T KNOW, IT'S A BUSINESS NETWORKING ORGANIZATION.

AND I GAVE A SPEECH TO THEM IN THE REC CENTER.

FROM THAT THREE GENTLEMEN CAME IN, ONE OF WHICH IS A A RECYCLED MATERIAL BUSINESS DOWN IN INDUSTRIAL PARK.

THEY CAME AND WE MATT AND I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT DOING SOME PROJECTS IN THE CITY.

IF YOU GO AROUND THE CITY, WHICH MATT AND I DID SOME TIME BACK, YOU'LL FIND A NUMBER OF UNOCCUPIED LOTS, DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THESE LOTS ARE REAL EXPENSIVE.

AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE THIS, THESE THEY'RE ACTUALLY RENOVATORS AND ONE'S A REAL ESTATE GUY WHO FUNDS IT.

IS GETTING A HOLD OF THESE LOTS THAT MIGHT BE, LET'S SAY THEY'RE $50,000, FOR LACK OF A BETTER NUMBER.

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TO A POLICE OR FIRE, AND THAT WOULD BE A GREAT RECRUITING TOOL.

TWO. IF WE HAD AN INVENTORY OF AFFORDABLE HOMES FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE TRYING TO RECRUIT TO THE AREA FOR POLICE, FIRE, NURSES, TEACHERS, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO I ONLY MENTION THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ONE POSSIBILITY BY USING THIS MONEY, PERHAPS WE COULD ENTICE A BUILDER.

BUY THE LAND FOR 50,000.

GIVE THEM OTHER INCENTIVES.

MAYBE WATER TAP INS OR WHATEVER.

AND WE COULD USE THAT MONEY.

LET'S SAY IT'S A POLICEMAN.

AND THEY WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS INTEREST RATES HIGH.

WELL, WE COULD SUBSIDIZE THAT INTEREST RATE TO MAYBE DOWN TO 3%.

WHATEVER. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS YOU COULD USE THAT MONEY FOR TO CREATE INSIDE THE CITY, AN INVENTORY OF WORKFORCE HOUSING.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I'M CERTAINLY A PROPONENT PERSONALLY OF THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF PROGRAMS THAT I THINK WE COULD USE THIS 15% FOR, SO THAT I'LL THROW IT OPEN TO THE COUNCIL IF THEY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS. WE AS A COUNCIL, EVERY ONE OF US IS COUNTING.

WE NEED WORKFORCE HOUSING.

I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN NOT FUND IT WITH THE 15%.

IT MAKES NO, IT'S A NO BRAINER.

THIS IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED. THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

THAT'S MY OPINION.

I AGREE, MAYOR. I THINK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF WAYS.

AND THIS GOES BACK, IF YOU RECALL, A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, I ASKED THE COUNCIL THAT WE SHOULD FUND IN THE NEXT BUDGET A POSITION THAT IS A HOUSING POSITION.

MATT'S DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB SERVING AS OUR HOUSING TRUST REPRESENTATIVE AND WORKING ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS.

BUT WE NEED, I THINK, IF WE'RE GOING TO REALLY GET SERIOUS ABOUT GETTING INVENTORY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO WAKES UP IN THE MORNING THINKING ABOUT HOUSING AND GOES TO BED THINKING ABOUT HOUSING AND NOTHING ELSE.

OUR STAFF WEARS MULTIPLE HATS, EVERY ONE OF THEM, AND WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO WE CAN GET THAT'S GOING TO WEAR ONE HAT, A HOUSING HAT.

THAT'S MY OPINION.

WHAT MY MY VIEW IS CERTAINLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, BUT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ENGINEERS AND WE'RE NOT DEVELOPERS.

AND MY FEELING IS THAT WE'LL SAY, I'M JUST USING THIS AS AN EXAMPLE, SAY, A JEFF COGGINS, THAT WE CREATED A STRATEGIC RELATIONSHIP WITH, WHERE WE WERE DOING SOME FUNDING AND THEY WERE DOING INSTEAD OF HIRING SOMEONE TO TRY AND DO THIS, USE EXISTING PEOPLE AND TALENT TO DO IT ALL THE TIME.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET A BETTER KIND OF EXPERTISE BY THE JEFF COGGINS TYPE PERSONNELS, THAN WE ARE GOING TO HIRE SOMEONE TO WORK IN THE CITY, IS MY VIEW, AND GIVE THEM SOME OF THIS MONEY AND WORK STRATEGICALLY WITH THEM TO DO SOME OF THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING KINDS OF THINGS, AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO GET INTO THAT BUSINESS IN A WAY, OURSELVES.

AND, AND I THINK A STRATEGIC RELATIONSHIP WITH THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE, TO ME, MUCH MORE OF A POSSIBILITY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BIG SUMS OF MONEY, JOHN, HERE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY.

SO THAT'S MY COMMENT.

I HAVE SOME OTHER COMMENT I'D LIKE TO MAKE ABOUT THE VETERANS PARK, BUT I'LL COME BACK TO THAT WHEN WE'RE OFF THIS SUBJECT.

AND IF I COULD RESPECTFULLY SAY WHAT WE DO WITH THE 15% IS NOT REALLY THE QUESTION THAT I'M TRYING TO GET CLARITY ON TODAY.

IT'S IF WE'RE GOING TO USE THE 15%, THEN AS WE COME UP WITH OUR PROGRAM OF PROJECTS AND SO FORTH, TO COME BACK WITH YOU, TO YOU WITH IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, WE KNOW NOT TO CONSIDER THAT 15%.

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WHAT I HEARD FROM COUNCIL IS THAT WE'RE IN FAVOR OF USING THE 15% FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.

IS THAT IS THAT TRUE, COUNCIL? OKAY. SO THAT THAT QUESTION IS IS A YES.

THANK YOU. OUR QUESTION IS THE HOW I THINK WE WANT TO DO IT, BUT YEAH HOW TO DO IT.

YEAH. BUT THAT'S YOU KNOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THE WEEDS.

IT'S OFF SUBJECT AND I APOLOGIZE FOR DOING IT.

I JUST MEANT IT AS AN EXAMPLE.

SO YOU'RE I'M WITH YOU 100%.

IS THERE MORE THAT YOU NEED FROM COUNCIL? I'M DONE. I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

OR I HAVE A DIFFERENT QUESTION FOR YOU, JOHN, WITH THIS VETERANS PARK, I THINK THAT WE HAVE A BLUEPRINT THAT WE CAN FOLLOW WITH THE REC CENTER.

IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAD A BIG PROJECT BEFORE YOU HAD TO FUND IT.

YOU PUT A LOT OF PIECES TOGETHER.

AND TO ME, THAT'S SOME EXPERTISE AND SOME EXPERIENCE THAT WOULD REALLY FIT RIGHT INTO THIS VETERANS PARK BECAUSE IT'S ANOTHER BIG PROJECT.

BUT WE'VE DONE THAT REC COUNCIL AND WE DID IT THE RIGHT WAY, AND WE GOT THE WOW EFFECT.

AND I'M SAYING, DO YOU SEE IT THAT WAY? THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO YOU SEE THE EXPERTISE INSIDE AND ALL THAT.

YEAH. WELL SOME OF THE PLAYERS HAVE CHANGED.

I MEAN JODY HAS BROUGHT A HUGE SKILL SET IN IN RHETT'S STEAD, BUT THEN ALSO JOHN BROWN'S, YOU KNOW, GOT YEARS AND YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AS WELL. AND NOT TO DISCOUNT WHAT THE CITY MANAGERS DECADES PLUS.

BUT YEAH. SO YOU'RE SAYING REALLY THAT IS TRUE AT YOU.

SO WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE'RE EVEN BETTER.

HE'S REALLY GOT THE BUTTER KNIFE OUT.

HE'S GETTING EVERYBODY TO ANSWER MY QUESTION, PLEASE.

YES, SIR. WE HAVE PLENTY OF OF PEOPLE CURRENTLY ON STAFF WHO BRING SOMETHING.

WE BROUGHT SOME MORE EXPERTISE THAN YOU HAD THREE YEARS AGO OR FOUR YEARS AGO.

THAT WOULD EVEN BE MORE HELPFUL.

YES, SIR. YEAH.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

I'M JUST SAYING, WE'VE GOT THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SCRATCH OUR HEAD ON THIS VETERANS THINGS.

WE'VE GOT SOME INTERNAL CAPABILITIES AND WE'VE GOT SOME EXPERIENCE THAT WOULD HELP IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH. MR. MAYOR, JUST A QUICK RECAP.

SO WE'LL BRING BACK.

FIRST OF ALL WE NEED TO DETERMINE AGAIN, YOU GOT THAT 12 TO $15 MILLION PRICE TAG.

SO WE GOT TO REALLY HONE THAT DOWN I MEAN WHAT DO WE DO.

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO DO IT.

YOU KNOW THE SCOPE.

[III. ADJOURNMENT]

AND AGAIN I WOULD NEVER RECOMMEND THAT WE USE THE $3.5 MILLION.

WE PUT THAT DOWN. I'D NEVER RECOMMEND THAT.

I WOULD RECOMMEND WE GO OUT AND LOOK AT WHAT THE FUNDING OPTIONS ARE.

GRANT OPTIONS ARE AND ANOTHER 15 TO 20 YEAR LOAN USING YOU KNOW WHAT, WE ALL BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE A GROWING A-TAX AND H-TAX.

AND ALSO HAVING THAT CUSHION IF THINGS DON'T GO AS ALWAYS PLANNED WE GOT MONEY TO PAY THAT IT'S NOT GOING ON THE GENERAL TAXPAYERS THAT WE HAVE TO RAISE TAXES TO PAY THE INTEREST, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS SO WE CAN BRING THAT BACK HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS AND GIVE YOU A PLAN.

YEAH, I AGAIN, IF I HEAR YOU RIGHT, YOU COME BACK WITH, OKAY, HERE'S HOW WE COULD DO THE 12 MILLION.

RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY.

AND I THINK THAT'S PERSONALLY I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO GO.

LET'S SHOOT FOR THE STARS.

AND YOU KNOW, WE FOUND 9 MILLION FOR THE REC CENTER.

THIS WOULD BE A GOLD STAR IN OUR COMMUNITY.

IF WE COULD PULL THIS OFF, IT WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE PROJECT.

YEAH. AND YEAH, IT'S LOOKING AT THE WHOLE PROJECT.

FIND AN ANSWER FOR OUR WATER, FOR OUR STORMWATER, YOU KNOW.

WHAT WE DO, IF WE DO ONE AND WE DON'T LOOK AHEAD TO THE FUTURE, WE MAY BE GOING BACK AND SPENDING MONEY WE DON'T HAVE TO DO.

TEARING UP PARTS OF A PROJECT YOU JUST BUILT, BUILT, YOU BUILT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY ALL IN ONE YEAR BECAUSE IT'LL BE PHASED, YOU KNOW, EITHER WAY.

SO LET'S GO FOR THE HOME RUN.

SHOOT FOR THE FENCES.

WHY NOT WHERE IT'S ALL GOING TO TAKE.

YEAH, I STILL THINK THAT THAT MILLION AND A HALF DOLLAR THING WAS, IS IT'S A IT JUST DOESN'T RELATE TO THE HOME PRICES.

BUT AGAIN I ONLY STAYED IN HOLIDAY INN.

SO IF YOU STAYED AT THE MARRIOTT I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE I COULD HAVE BEEN AN ENGINEER IF I STAYED AT MARRIOTT.

THERE YOU GO. OKAY.

IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN LET'S HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

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WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE AYE. THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.