[00:00:03] WHILE THE NOVEMBER MEETING OF THE HARDEEVILLE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. [I. CALL TO ORDER] FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE. RICH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. [III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA] COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? SEEING NONE. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? SECOND. IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. NEXT ITEM. [IV. PUBLIC COMMENT] PUBLIC COMMENT. AND THAT WOULD BE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THINGS OTHER THAN WHAT ARE ON OUR AGENDA. SO DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE START THE MEETING? SEEING NONE. MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS, WHICH IS OLD BUSINESS. [V. OLD BUSINESS] APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 27TH. PLANNING COMMISSION. STEVE, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A COMMENT. PAGE THREE, PARAGRAPH SIX. THE LAST LINE READS [INAUDIBLE] AND THEN ON PAGE FOUR, COMMISSION MEMBERS COMMENTS. UH, THE FIRST PARAGRAPH, THE SECOND LINE SAYS PRIOR SHOULD SAY PREVIOUS. AND THEN, THE LAST ONE IS THE COMMENT THAT I MADE ABOUT THE OFF SITES. CONTACT WITH ONE HOUR. MERCER SHOULD BE UP FRONT. NO, IT WAS NOT UNDER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, IT WAS A HUGE DISCLOSURE UP FRONT BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING A PREREQUISITE. OKAY. OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S IT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE CHANGES STEVE RECOMMENDED. MOVED. SECOND IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. ON TO NEW BUSINESS. [VI. NEW BUSINESS] CONSIDERATION OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR PARCEL 06600003, KNOWN AS THE PARK AT EAST ARGENT, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE EAST ARGENT DEVELOPMENT AREA. KATIE. GOOD MORNING. YOU MENTIONED THIS IS THE PARK AT EAST ARGENT. IT IS AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN UNDER THE EXISTING EAST ARGENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY IS 91.6 ACRES AND IS LOCATED OFF EAST ARGENT PARKWAY, ADJACENT TO THE JASPER STATION ROAD. THE JUBILEE CHARTER SCHOOL AND THE RETREAT. YOU CAN SEE THE PARCEL RIGHT HERE. CURRENTLY VACANT, UNDEVELOPED AND WOODED WITH PRIMARILY PLANTED PINE. A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT HERE FOR YOU. THE RETREAT, THE YMCA. THIS IS HIGHWAY 170, HUNT CLUB, JUBILEE AND PARCEL 15 C, WHICH YOU SAW AT COUPLE MEETINGS AGO IN SEPTEMBER. AGAIN, THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS. THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN WAS IN YOUR PACKET SHOWS THE PRIMARY LAYOUT, ROADWAY LAYOUT, THE AMENITY SITE AND THIS IS A MAXIMUM OF 240 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME SITES. THERE ARE THE TWO ACCESS POINTS WHICH ARE ON EAST SERGEANT PARKWAY AND JASPER STATION, REALIGNED ROAD. THE. THE TIA DID ASSUME THE DENSITY UNDER THE ORIGINAL PDDD, AND IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED IN THE UPDATED TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT, WHICH WAS IN YOUR PACKETS AS WELL. PROPOSED OPEN SPACE AND CONNECTIVITY. THERE ARE PATHWAYS, TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, AS WELL AS THAT CONNECTION OF THE PATHWAY REQUIRED IN THE PDDD FOR EAST ARGENT PARKWAY AS WELL. EAST ARGENT DOES REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF 10% OPEN SPACE FOR RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS, NO MINIMUM FOR ACTIVE OPEN SPACE AS SPECIFIED IN THE PDDD FOR INDIVIDUAL MASTER PLANS. THE PROPOSED PLAN DOES EXCEED THE REQUIREMENT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AT THIS TIME. [00:05:07] THEY WILL GO IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION APPROVAL BEFORE THEY GO TO SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMITTING THROUGH THE STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE. BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PDDD AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. STAFF DOES SUGGEST THAT PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED INITIAL MASTER PLAN AS PRESENTED. THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE TODAY, AND I WILL INTRODUCE JOSH TILLER AT THIS TIME TO GO OVER ANY ADDITIONAL DETAILS. BEFORE YOU LEAVE, I ASK ABOUT THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE JUBILEE SCHOOL, BECAUSE ONCE IT'S BUILT, THE SCHOOL WON'T BE ON THE CORNER, THE SCHOOL WILL BE BACK UP JASPER STATION. IS THAT DOTTED? IS THAT LIGHT AREA TO THE LEFT OF THE REALIGNED ROAD, IS THAT THE ENTRANCE INTO THE ACTUAL FINAL SCHOOL LOCATION? THE EXACT ALIGNMENT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'M NOT SURE, BUT THEY DO ALIGN. I JUST IT MIGHT NOT GO AT AN ANGLE LIKE THAT, BUT YEAH, THEY ARE GOING TO ALIGN AND CONNECT. SO THE KIDS CAN CONCEIVABLY WALK RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND ONTO THE DRIVEWAY TO THE SCHOOL. YES. THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. MORNING. BRENDA TOLD ME I NEEDED TO SPEAK LOUDLY INTO THE MIC. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN HEAR ME. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND THE REST OF THE COMMISSION FOR HAVING US THIS MORNING. MY NAME IS JOSH TILLER. I'M WITH JK TILLER ASSOCIATES. WE'RE THE LAND PLANNER, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT. I'M JOINED HERE WITH JEFF ACKERMAN WITH CAROLINA ENGINEERING, MR. TIM FRANKS WITH COMBAT DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANTS. WE'RE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS TWO CAPITAL PARTNERS, AND THEY'RE A FOR RENT DEVELOPMENT TEAM. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THE PLAN. KATIE PRETTY MUCH COVERED EVERYTHING. IT IS JUST OVER 90 ACRES. THERE ARE 240 TOTAL UNITS. IT'S KNOWN AS THE PARK. AND WHAT KIND OF DEFINES THIS PLAN IS AS YOU COME INTO THE ENTRANCE THERE, YOU'RE FIRST WELCOME BY A LARGE PARK, COMMUNITY PARK WHICH EVERYBODY WILL HAVE ACCESS TO. THAT'S KIND OF THE HUB FOR EVERYTHING. IT'S GOT THE AMENITIES. THERE'S A DOG PARK, PLAYGROUND. THAT PLAYGROUND OVERLOOKS THE LAGOON. THE MAIL KIOSK WILL BE LOCATED IN THAT LOCATION. SO AS PEOPLE COME HOME, THEY CAN GRAB THEIR MAIL. AT THE BACK OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS AN ACTIVE KIND OF RECREATIONAL FISHING AREA. THIS WILL BE A STOCKED LAKE. THERE'S A TRAIL THAT EXTENDS AROUND IT, A PARKING AREA AND A PIER TO PROVIDE BOTH THE TRAIL AND THE PIER PROVIDE ACCESS FOR FISHING THAT STOCKED LAKE. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. OKAY, SO YOU MENTIONED YOU'RE PROPOSING A CENTRAL MAIL KIOSK SOMEWHERE AROUND THE AMENITY CENTER, I TAKE IT. IS THERE A IS THERE A LASER ON THIS? IS IT THAT GREEN? YOU GO RIGHT IN HERE, THERE'S A PULL OFF HERE AND THEY CAN PARK THERE AND ACCESS THE MAIL KIOSK. OKAY, SO THE MAIL KIOSK WOULD BE IN THIS LITTLE WEDGE RIGHT IN HERE? UH, I BELIEVE IT'S RIGHT THERE, RIGHT WHERE EVERYBODY WOULD PARK. THIS IS JUST KIND OF AN ACT, KIND OF AN OPEN SPACE. OKAY. POCKET PARK. SO WITH 240 HOMES YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE, WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO, WELL, THAT PLUS YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE SOME SUBSTANTIAL PARKING AROUND THERE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO STOP AND GET THEIR MAIL ON THEIR WAY IN AND OUT AS YOU SAY. SO HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT HOW MANY SPACES YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD THERE? TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT ALL ARRIVING AT ONCE, BUT IT'LL BE THEY'LL TRICKLE IN THROUGHOUT THE DAY. AND COMMUNITIES I'M HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THAT'S KIND OF THE TYPICAL AMOUNT OF PARKING. USUALLY IT'S JUST A PULL OFF AREA FOR A COUPLE OF CARS. WE'RE ACTUALLY PROVIDING MORE THAN JUST A COUPLE PULL OFF SPACES. DEFINE MORE THAN A COUPLE. WE'VE GOT A HANDICAPPED SPACE PLUS 1 TO 5 SPACES. BECAUSE THERE IS ONE CENTRAL MAIL KIOSK IN ALL OF SUN CITY IN A NEWER SECTION [00:10:02] AND THERE ARE LESS THAN 200 BOXES THERE, AND THEY MUST HAVE 15 PARKING SPACES, SO. WELL, IF THIS IS FILLED, THERE'S A THEY CAN ALWAYS COME OVER TO THE AMENITY CENTER AND PARK. THERE'S A TRAIL THAT THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT'LL CONNECT OVER FROM THE AMENITY CENTER. A FEW SEEMS LIKE A BIT MEAGER TO ME BECAUSE YOU'VE SEEN THE MAIL KIOSK, SO YOU SAY THEY'RE GOING TO TRICKLE IN? WELL, NO KIOSK. I GOT TO TELL YOU, THE WAY THAT MAIL IS DELIVERED AROUND HERE, PEOPLE WAIT. THEY WATCH FOR THE MAIL LADY TO DELIVER THE MAIL, AND THEY ALL. SERIOUSLY? I'M NOT EXAGGERATING. AND THE PARKING DETAILS WILL BE REVIEWED AT STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE. WE USUALLY DON'T GET INTO THE EXACT NUMBER FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS, BUT THEY DID ADD, AS JOSH WAS SAYING, A TRAIL THAT CAN CONNECT FROM THE OTHER AMENITY, PARKING AND EVERYTHING. SO WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS NECESSARILY OVER PARK SOMETHING AND THEN HAVE THAT EXTRA IMPERVIOUS SPACE TAKING AWAY FROM OTHER OPEN SPACE. BUT IF THERE WAS A NEED IN THE FUTURE, THEY COULD CERTAINLY COME BACK AND ADD SOME AS WELL. REVIEW COMMITTEE, BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT GO INTO THAT AS WELL. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE CODES ARE MET WITH THAT. DID YOU SAY THESE ARE GOING TO BE RENTAL PROPERTIES? CORRECT YES. ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION? I'M JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. JEFF, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START OFF. WELL, I HAVE A COUPLE OF GENERAL QUESTIONS, WITH A 240 UNITS, WHAT MIX OF SIZE DO WE HAVE HERE? ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT BEDROOMS. I KNOW THERE'S A MIX OF 42 FOOT LOTS AND 50 FOOT LOTS. I IMAGINE IT'LL BE, IT'LL RANGE FROM 2 TO 3 BEDROOMS. THEY DO HAVE PROVIDED KATIE SOME INFORMATION ON THE ARCHITECTURE THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE ARB, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT HAD INFO ON THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS. SO YOU HAVE A RENDERING OF THE PROPOSED UNITS. LAST EVENING I RECEIVED SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS FOR YOU, SO I'LL PULL UP WHAT WE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, IN THE EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS THE SIDEWALKS AND THE TRAIL IN FRONT, THERE'S A 40 FOOT BUFFER IN FRONT ALONG THE ROADWAY, AND IT APPEARED TO ME, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SCALE THAT, BUT IT APPEARED AS THOUGH THE TRAIL, THE WALKING PORTION WAS RIGHT UP AGAINST THE ROAD, AND 40FT IS NOT ALL THAT WIDE AT THAT POINT ANYHOW. YEAH, THAT IT DOES FALL WITHIN THAT 40 FOOT BUFFER. SO IT'S OFFSET FROM THE ROADWAY. WHAT IS THE BUFFER? UM, THERE'S A 40 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER AROUND. YEAH, BUT, I MEAN, ARE THERE PLANTINGS IN THERE OR IS THERE SOME KIND OF A BARRIER OR SCREEN? YES. SCREEN. YEAH, IT WILL BE A SCREEN. WELL, I GUESS WHAT I'M REALLY TRYING TO GET AT IS IT APPEARED TO ME ON THAT EXHIBIT THAT THE TRAIL WAS CLOSER TO THE WAS VERY CLOSE TO THE ROAD, EVEN WITHIN THE 40FT. I WONDER, SHOULDN'T THE TRAIL BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BARRIER? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE? YEAH, YEAH. ALONG THE ROADWAY. THAT IS A REQUIREMENT IN THE PDDD TO HAVE THAT PATHWAY ALONG THE PARKWAY. SO IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE UP NEAR THAT ROADWAY IS PART OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY. BUT IT'S NOT ON THE CURB. BUT YEAH, THERE IS A BUFFER BETWEEN THAT AND THE ROADWAY. YES IT WILL, IT KIND OF VARIES IN AREAS DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS SITUATIONS LIKE UTILITIES AND WETLANDS. BUT IS THERE ANY REGULATION THOUGH IS I WONDER I MEAN, ON THE EXHIBIT, IT APPEARS TO BE IN BY MY EYES, YOU KNOW, REALLY RIGHT UP AGAINST THE ROAD AT SOME POINTS AND THAT WAS A CONCERN. THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE ORIGINAL ROADWAY SYSTEM BEING APPROVED WITH THE PDDD. WE CAN CERTAINLY GET YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. I DON'T HAVE ALL THOSE DRAWINGS RIGHT NOW. IT'S PHASE BY PHASES. LIKE I SAID, IT VARIES IN SOME SITUATIONS BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT FEATURES. SO THERE'S NO LIMITATION OR REQUIREMENT THERE. IT'S ALREADY IT'S PART OF A DIFFERENT APPLICATION. [00:15:01] I CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION BACK. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE IS A GRASSY STRIP BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE CURB. IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ON THE ROAD. RIGHT. OKAY. AND I KNOW THAT IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SIDEWALK ON ON ONLY ONE SIDE OF THE STREET. I WISH IT WAS THE DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. I MEAN, I WISH I UNDERSTAND THAT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. I WISH IT WAS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. THESE ARE THE DETAILS IF YOU WANT. UH, THE IN HERE, YOU TALK ABOUT THE CONNECTIONS, NOT THE TWO MAIN ACCESS AND EGRESS, BUT THE TWO ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL CONNECTIONS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENTS. IT REFERS TO I'M ALWAYS HERE AS POTENTIAL. IS THAT POTENTIAL BECAUSE THE OTHERS AREN'T AVAILABLE YET OR IS IT A REQUIREMENT? I APOLOGIZE, THAT WAS A SPILLOVER FROM A DIFFERENT STAFF REPORT. THAT WAS FOR THE LAST PROJECT. THESE ARE THE TWO ACCESS POINTS. WE'VE GOT, THIS ACCESS POINT AND THEN THE MAIN ACCESS TO THE PARKWAY. IT'S HERE. WAIT THERE. I DELETED THAT FOR THE COUNCIL PART, BUT NOT NOW. KATIE, IF I RECALL, THE ULTIMATE PLAN FOR JASPER STATION IS TO TAKE IT NORTH AND CONNECT TO SOMETHING OUTSIDE THE PDDD. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A DEAD END ROAD. NO, THERE'S A LOT IN BETWEEN IT THAT WE CAN'T. THERE'S POTENTIAL, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF BARRIERS IN PLACE, SO I CAN'T SAY IF IT WILL FOR SURE AND WHEN IT WILL. BUT THE PLAN WAS TO TRY TO GET IT UP TO JASPER COUNTY. YES. YEAH. AND IT GOES WHERE YOU SEE THE CANAL. THE BJWSA CANAL, THAT IS OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. IT IS GOING TO CONNECT TO THE JASPER STATION ROAD, WHICH IS A DIRT ROAD THAT'S UP THERE NOW. AND THAT'S WHAT GOES THROUGH THE THE GUN CLUB OR WHATEVER HUNTING CLUB.. RESIDENTS THAT ARE UP THERE. IT WAS ALL DONE, THAT'S DONE WAY BEFORE.. ANY OF US. THIS WAS DONE. BUT YEAH, AS FAR AS WHAT IT IS, WHILE IT'S IN EAST ARGENT IN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, IT WILL BE MAINTAINED. IS IT CORRECT THAT THERE ARE NO GARAGES OR DRIVEWAYS FOR THESE INDIVIDUAL HOUSES? SO WHY DON'T WE JUMP TO THE RENDERING? HOLD ON. YEAH. THERE'S GARAGES. THERE ARE GARAGES AND DRIVEWAYS. IS THAT FOR EACH HOUSE? CORRECT. NOW, DO YOU HAVE MORE THAN MORE MODELS THAN JUST THIS ONE OR IS THIS JUST A TYPICAL MODEL? I'LL SCROLL DOWN. THERE ARE SOME MORE IN HERE. OKAY, SO THERE'S SOME TWO AND ONE. ONE AND TWO STORIES. AND TWO STORIES. OKAY. ALL LOOKS GOOD TO ME. WE APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS, BECAUSE WHEN WE DON'T SEE RENDERINGS EVERY NOW AND THEN, WE'VE BEEN SURPRISED WHEN SOMETHING IS BUILT. I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERN THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO FIT IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD. I THINK IT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. JEFF, ANY NOW. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT I THINK I WAS IMPRESSED BY THE THE AMENITY AREA AND THE PLAYGROUND. I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOOD WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. STEVE. DID A COUPLE OF THINGS. PARKING IS GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR THE GUESTS. WELL, YOU'VE GOT THE DRIVEWAYS AND THE DRIVEWAY AT LEAST 20FT. BUT IMAGINE AT A AT A MINIMUM THEY'D BE 20FT JUST TO ACCOMMODATE A CAR. BUT IN MOST CASES IT'LL BE LONGER THAN THAT. IN THE NARRATIVE. YOU'VE ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT WITH HARGRAY. UM, IS THAT EXCLUSIVE OR WILL YOU ALLOW OTHER COMPANIES SUCH AS SPECTRUM? AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT'S IT'S JUST HARGRAY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EXCLUSIVE OR NOT. IT'S NOT AN EXCLUSIVE AGREEMENT. [00:20:01] IT'S JUST THEY'VE AGREED TO PROVIDE SERVICE. AND THESE ARE RENTALS. SO. CORRECT. WHAT'S THE PRICE POINT? I DO NOT HAVE THAT. TWO CAPITAL PARTNERS WOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT I DO NOT. AND I'M SURE IT'D BE A COMPETITIVE MARKET RATE. THEY'RE NOT HERE TODAY. ALL RIGHT. RICK. JEFF. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. I REALLY LIKE THE PLAN. I THINK IT'S A REALLY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THE WAY THEY LAID OUT THE AMENITIES AND THE PARK CENTER AND ALL THAT. THE. THIS LOOKS LIKE A REALLY NICE PLACE. I GUESS IT'S MY TURN. YES, IT IS ALL RIGHT. I REALLY APPLAUD THE FACT THAT YOU'VE PUT A PLAYGROUND IN YOUR PLAN. SO MANY COME IN HERE WITHOUT THAT. AND THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S GOING TO HAVE KIDS. SO I THINK THAT'S GREAT. DO YOU OWN THE PROPERTY OR IS IT UNDER RIGHT TO PURCHASE? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S UNDER RIGHT. IF YOU HAVE A TIMELINE FOR CLAIRE AND GRUB AND THE UNDERGROUND'S FIRST HOME, LAST HOME? NO. SO PART OF IT'S CONTINGENT ON OUR APPROVAL PROCESS RIGHT NOW, BUT I IMAGINE THEY'D LIKE TO GET STARTED EARLY NEXT YEAR AFTER. WELL, IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET THE STATE PERMITS. YEAH. SO AFTER YOU'VE CLEARED THAT HURDLE, WHAT ARE YOU ANTICIPATING THEN FOR? DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA? FIRST AND LAST. INTRODUCE YOURSELF. MICROPHONE. YES. GOOD MORNING I'M JEFF ACKERMAN WITH CAROLINA ENGINEERING. SO OBVIOUSLY I'LL BE DESIGNING THE WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS AND THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM. AND I CAN TELL YOU THE STATE LEVEL APPROVALS AND THE COASTAL ZONE CERTIFICATION AND WHATNOT ARE TAKING ABOUT A YEAR. I KNOW. SO WE ANTICIPATE GETTING STARTED ON THE ON THE SITE DESIGN PACKAGE, YOU KNOW, THE CIVIL ENGINEERING PACKAGE PROBABLY IN JANUARY. AND THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING RIGHT NOW, WE PROBABLY WILL HAVE DEVELOPMENT PERMITS, YOU KNOW, IN JANUARY OF 2025. SO THAT'S JUST WHERE WE ARE TODAY WITH THE STATE AGENCIES, UNFORTUNATELY. SO GIVEN THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S YOUR TIMELINE TO GET THE FIRST HOUSE UP AND COMPLETE THE PROJECT? SO I WOULD IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FIRST GROUP OF LOTS, YOU'RE PROBABLY SIX MONTHS OUT WITH THE CIVIL SITE WORK, YOU KNOW, TO GET PADS BUILT AND THE CONSTRUCTION WATER TURNED ON. AND THEN WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT? TWO YEARS FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS? FOR TWO YEARS FOR BUILD OUT AFTER WE START, AFTER WE START SITE WORK. SO TO BUILD OUT, AFTER WE START SITE WORK WOULD WOULD BE JANUARY 25TH. SO JANUARY 27TH BUILD OUT. I. THAT GIVES US AN IDEA OF WHEN THEY'LL BE AVAILABLE. I MEAN, CERTAINLY WE HAVE A NEED FOR RENTAL PROPERTIES IN THIS COMMUNITY. HE'S ALREADY ANSWERED THAT ONE. OKAY. ANSWER THAT ONE. AH I SEE TWO WATER AND SEWER CONNECTIONS TO THE BEAUFORT JASPER SYSTEM, WHICH IS GREAT. EVERYTHING IS LOOPED. WILL THEY BE A FORCE MAIN FOR YOUR SANITARY, OR IS IT ALL EXPECTED TO BE GRAVITY? IT WILL ALL BE GRAVITY SEWER. OKAY. THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE EAST ARGENT PARKWAY UTILITIES WERE PLANNED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TRACK. SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WHERE WE'RE TYING INTO THE GRAVITY SEWER SYSTEM. SAW THAT. WHICH REALLY HELPS US BECAUSE RIGHT NOW ON EAST ARGENT PARKWAY, THERE'S A DRAINAGE AREA ABOUT WHERE OUR ACCESS POINT IS THAT TAKES DRAINAGE FROM THE SOUTH, NORTH, UP TO THAT NORTHERN WETLAND SYSTEM, THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE TODAY. SO FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, HAVING THOSE TWO SANITARY SEWER CONNECTIONS LETS ME RUN TWO DIFFERENT RUNS OF GRAVITY SEWER WITH THE DRAINAGE KIND OF SPLITTING THE SYSTEM DOWN THE MIDDLE. OKAY. OH. I DON'T SEE ANY OF YOUR PIPING SIZED AS OF YET. THAT'LL BE COMING SOON. ALL RIGHT. YES, SIR. STREET LIGHTING. I DIDN'T SEE ANY MENTION OF STREET LIGHTING. TALK TO ME ABOUT STREET LIGHTING. THERE WILL BE PLANS FOR STREET LIGHTING. IT'S TYPICALLY THROUGH THE UTILITY PROVIDER. IT'D BE AT LEAST AGREEMENT FOR STREET LIGHTS. BUT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING HAVING STREET LIGHTS THROUGH THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, SO THAT YOU CAN WALK YOUR DOG AT NIGHT OR WALK YOUR KIDS AT NIGHT OR [00:25:07] WHATEVER. OKAY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE IS SOLAR LIGHTING FOR ENERGY CONSERVATION, AND IT WOULD SAVE YOU A BUCK OR TWO ON COPPER DIGGING HOLES. AND THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION FROM PAYING BILLS FOR ELECTRICITY. SO. YOU HAVEN'T HAD THIS DISCUSSION YET. BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO IF YOU GO TO PALMETTO ELECTRIC, THEY WANT TO SELL YOU ELECTRICITY, THEY DON'T WANT TO SELL YOU SOLAR. AND, YOU KNOW, WE ENCOURAGE THAT. YOU LOOK INTO SOLAR, VERY COMMON ONCE YOU GET OUTSIDE OF THIS COUNTRY AND VERY EFFECTIVE. AND WE NEED TO GET THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S A REAL STATEMENT OF SUSTAINABILITY. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK BEYOND JUST PALMETTO ELECTRIC AND LOOK AT SOLAR IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND I WOULD SAY THE SAME THING WITH SOME OF YOUR STREET SIGNS. YOUR, WHAT DO WE CALL THEM? PEDESTAL SIGNS. YOU COULD USE SOLAR ON THOSE TOO. OKAY. MY NEXT ITEM IS OPEN SPACE. AND. OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ASK FOR. ONE THIRD OF THE OPEN SPACE TO BE CONSIDERED ACTIVE OPEN SPACE. AND WHAT YOU'VE PUT INTO YOUR ACTIVE OPEN SPACE CALCULATION INCLUDES THAT LAGOON ON THE NORTH, AND YOU'RE TAKING ALMOST FIVE ACRES OF CREDIT FOR IT, AS I RECALL. AND. YOU KNOW, EXCEPT FOR A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT ARE FISH. OR IF YOU CAN WALK ON WATER THAT REALLY ISN'T VERY USEFUL AS ACTIVE OPEN SPACE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE ACTIVE OPEN SPACE DEVELOPED IN THIS AREA. MAYBE SOME KIND OF A POCKET PARK ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY FURTHER, BECAUSE IF YOU LIVE ON THAT LOOP UP IN HERE, YOU'RE A FAIR WAY FROM THE AMENITY CENTER. IT MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THAT AREA HERE. SOMEWHERE IN HERE, A LITTLE ACRE POCKET PARK FOR KIDS TO COME OUT AND PLAY SOCCER OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO. SO THAT WAS MY COMMENT ON OPEN SPACE. IF WE WERE TO IF WE WERE TO GO TO THE ONE THIRD THAT WE ASK FOR IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT'D BE ANOTHER FOUR ACRES. NOW, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT BOUND BY THE PDDD TO DO THAT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE OPEN SPACE PUT IN HERE FOR THAT PURPOSE. JUST AND JUST FOR THE WHOLE COMMISSION I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE ACTIVE OPEN SPACE PROVISION IN THE PDDD IS FOR THE ENTIRE PDDD, WHICH IS AN 8.3% REQUIREMENT. AND BETWEEN THE CONSERVATION AREA, THE PARK AREA THAT WAS DONATED TO THE CITY, AS WELL AS THE PATHWAYS AND SOME OTHER GREEN SPACE THROUGHOUT THAT IS MET FOR THE PDDD AS A WHOLE. YOU CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS AND ASK FOR ADDITIONAL, BUT THIS WAS PRIOR TO THAT, THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY AND I HAVE JUST ASKED FOR EXTRA. SO ALL RIGHT, I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. ANY FOLLOW ON QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? YEAH. WELL, SOMETHING JUST CAME UP, ON THE FISHING LAKE. ARE YOU GOING TO FENCE THAT IN? NO. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE GO UP THERE FISHING. AND IF THERE'S WATER, THERE'S GOING TO BE ALLIGATORS. CORRECT. THAT'S MY COMMENT. BUT TO FOLLOW ON WHAT MARCUS SAID ABOUT SORT. I JUST CAME BACK FROM A TRIP OUT WEST, AND ONE OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE TRAVELED THROUGH HAD SOLAR STREET LIGHTING. AND I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU, IT IS SUPERIOR TO COMMERCIAL A ND I REALIZE THERE WAS AN INITIAL COST INVOLVED. RIGHT. BUT IN THE LONG RUN, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY PALMETTO ELECTRIC A LOT MORE THAN YOU PAY FOR THESE SOLAR. [00:30:03] AGAIN, I ECHO MARK'S COMMENT AND ENCOURAGE TO LOOK AT SOMEWHERE. YEAH, WE'LL DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT. THE OTHER COMMENTS DOWN HERE. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS VIA FACEBOOK? SEEING NONE. I'D LIKE FOR TO ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, MR. CHAIRMAN. I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND CONSIDERATION OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR PARCEL 00600-00003, KNOWN AS THE PARK AT EAST ARGENT, LOCATED ON THE EAST ARGENT PARKWAY, IN THE EAST ARGENT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND REFER OUR APPROVAL. OUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, FOR VISITING WITH US. LOOK FORWARD TO YOU GETTING THIS BUILT. ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THE PLANNING MANAGER'S REPORT. NOPE NOPE, NOPE. IT'S NOT ON IT. YEAH, YEAH. I'M SORRY. OKAY. APPARENTLY, I HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH CAFFEINE TODAY. GOOD MORNING. COMMISSION. I WILL TRY TO GET MY MY ACT TOGETHER, TOO. WE HAVE A GOOD TEAM FOR YOU TODAY. UM, WE TOOK EVERYTHING YOU SAID ON FRIDAY VERY SERIOUSLY. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT WE'VE TURNED BACK AROUND FOR YOU. SOME IS WAS GIVEN TO YOU BY EMAIL. SOME. WE NEED TO ADD A FEW MORE THINGS. YEAH, YOU GOT IT, SARAH. AND THEN I WILL PRESENT AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO QUESTIONS. SO I'M GONNA LET THE LADIES AND THEN MR. BROWN IS IF NEEDED PRESENT WITH THAT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING THIS FORWARD. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS. WELL, SO FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE WORK YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS. IT'S A VERY FINE DOCUMENT. UH, I WILL HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I HAVE NOT REVIEWED THE CHANGES AFTER SPENDING THE AFTERNOON YESTERDAY PLAYING HARDEEVILLE, I HAD NO MORE ENERGY TO DEAL WITH HARDEEVILLE YESTERDAY, SO I HAVE REVIEWED PERSONALLY SOME OF THE CHANGES ON SOME OF THE SECTIONS, BUT I HAVE NOT BEEN THROUGH ALL OF THEM, NOR HAVE I REALLY REREAD THE THING FROM COVER TO COVER NOW THAT IT'S A CLEAN DOCUMENT. SO I HAVE KIND OF A I'M AT A DISADVANTAGE HERE. LUCKILY, OUR CONSULTANT IS HERE TO HELP GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT. SO WE'VE GOT IT FOR YOU. AND THIS IS JUST. THAT'S IT. HI. MY NAME IS SARAH SINATRA. I THINK I'VE MET MOST OF YOU, AND YOU'VE SEEN A PRESENTATION MULTIPLE TIMES. AND SO WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THE THE MEETING ON FRIDAY AND HOW PRODUCTIVE IT WAS, I SPOKE TO THE TEAM ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO GO THROUGH THIS. AND INSTEAD OF ME GOING THROUGH THIS LENGTHY PRESENTATION AGAIN, WHICH MOST OF YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN, WE WERE PROPOSING TO DO AT THIS POINT IS JUST GO OVER THE CHANGES THAT CAME OUT FROM YOUR MEETING LAST FRIDAY TO NOW. I'D CERTAINLY BE HAPPY TO GO INTO ANYTHING FURTHER AND OBVIOUSLY HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. BUT TO EASE YOUR CONCERNS ON GOING THROUGH THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT, WE'RE GOING TO TOUCH ON ANY OF THOSE, BECAUSE I WAS NOT HERE PERSONALLY. IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC AND IF I DIDN'T CATCH IT RIGHT, PLEASE JUMP IN AND MAKE SURE THAT I'M ADDRESSING THAT AS RIGHT AS WELL. FIRST, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN A REALLY FANTASTIC PROJECT. I ACTUALLY USE HARDEEVILLE AS AN EXAMPLE WITH MANY CLIENTS THAT HAVE HAD THROUGHOUT THE PAST YEAR ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. I ACTUALLY JUST MENTIONED IT YESTERDAY WITH A CITY I WAS MEETING WITH ABOUT THE WAY HARDEEVILLE APPROACHED THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND HOW SUCCESSFUL IT WAS, AND DUE TO THE THE STAFF AND THE WHOLE TEAM. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS TO THAT. SO AGAIN, I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THE MODIFICATIONS FROM FRIDAY AND IN YOUR PACKAGE IT SHOULD JUST BE ALL HIGHLIGHTED. THOSE CHANGES ARE JUST HIGHLIGHTED IN THE CLEAN VERSION. SO IT'S A LOT EASIER TO FOLLOW. SO UNDER ARTICLE TWO WE ADDED THE CLARIFICATION ABOUT A MINIMUM OF 15% OF ALL PARKING AREAS REQUIRED TO BE PERVIOUS MATERIAL, AND THAT WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE. [00:35:03] ALSO IN THAT SAME SECTION WAS A CLARIFICATION ABOUT PAVING. AGAIN, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE REQUIREMENT FOR PERVIOUS MATERIAL, AND REQUIRING OF INTERLOCKING PAVERS IS STRONGLY ENCOURAGED FOR ANY OF THE REMOTE PARKING AREAS. AGAIN, THIS IS ALL TO HELP WITH WITH PERVIOUS REQUIREMENTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, AND EXTERIOR INSULATED FINISHING SYSTEMS WERE ADDED AS PERMITTED MATERIALS FOR BUILDING WALLS. LASTLY, OF PAINTED METAL ROOFS ADDED AS A PERMITTED MATERIAL. SO THAT WAS THE ONLY CHANGES THAT CAME OUT OF ARTICLE TWO. AND I'M NOT GOING. YOU WOULD HAVE RECEIVED EVERY ARTICLE IN YOUR PACKAGE. I'M ONLY GOING THROUGH THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY HAD CHANGES. I HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN WE'VE MOVED TO PAINTED ROOFS, IS THERE ANYTHING IN OUR CITY ORDINANCE THAT SHOWS MAINTENANCE OF THOSE ROOFS? PAINTED ROOFS AFTER A WHILE GET LOOKING BAD OR THEY PEEL AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD FORCE PEOPLE MAINTAINING THOSE. SO IT WILL BE ENFORCEABLE UNDER THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND JEFF, WHAT I WAS SPECIFICALLY THINKING OF WAS STANDING SEAM. AND THAT IS ALL THE MODERN STUFF IS GENERALLY BAKED [INAUDIBLE], AND THEY COME WITH A 25 TO 35 YEAR WARRANTY, WHICH IS BETTER THAN THE ROOF. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING, HOW DO WE COVER THAT? SO DOES THE ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF ON MY HOUSE, BUT I GUESS MAINTAINING IT IS SOMETHING WE, I GUESS NEED TO THINK ABOUT. BUT YOU'D HAVE THAT WITH A GALVANIZED ROOF OR ANYTHING ELSE. I MEAN, EVERYTHING REQUIRES MAINTENANCE OVER TIME, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE STANDING SEAM ROOFS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON TWO STEVE? YEAH I DO ON THE 15%, PREVIOUS MATERIALS, STAFF REVIEW WILL ENSURE THAT THERE IS AT LEAST 15%. SO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REQUIREMENT IS 15%. YES. WE'RE NOT THAT THEY CAN COME IN AND YOU RECOMMEND THAT STAFF REVIEW THAT THEY DO IT RIGHT. THE REQUIREMENT IS FOR THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS. NOW IF THEY'RE UNDER A PDD, WE CAN STRONGLY SUGGEST, BUT WE CANNOT REQUIRE AS WE THE HARDEEVILLE COMMERCE PARK, WE CAN REQUIRE.. AS WE GO TO NEWER NEW PDDS, THESE THINGS WILL BE PART OF IT. IT WILL BE SO AS LONG AS AND WE'LL MONITOR AS LONG AS THEY DON'T SPECIFICALLY WRITE INTO THE PDD THAT THEY'RE EXEMPT FROM THIS REQUIREMENT, THEN THAT AUTOMATICALLY APPLIES TO THOSE NEW PDDS. AND IF THEY DO RIGHT, THEY'RE EXEMPT. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO CHALLENGE IT. AND YOU DO AND ABSOLUTELY FORCE THEM TO CHANGE IT TO GET OUR APPROVAL. YOU DO. THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD JUSTIFICATION FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND IT THAT WAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IT WAS THE REQUIREMENT. IT IS A REQUIREMENT, NOT A SUGGESTION. NO, IT SAYS A MINIMUM ARE REQUIRED. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THROUGH SSC. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. AND YOU WERE GOING TO POLL. PEOPLE WITHIN PLANNING ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE AND YOU'VE COME UP WITH 15, SO I DID. LOCALLY, WE ARE THE ONLY ONES DOING THIS. THERE'S NO OTHER REQUIREMENT IN THE AREA. AND SOME OF THE AREAS THAT I TALKED TO HAVE NO DESIRE TO DO IT. BUT CHRIS AND I. WENT UP, WENT ON TO LOOK AT NORTH CAROLINA AND WE WE FOUND A RANGE AND WE WENT WITH WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THE LIKE HAPPY MEDIUM THERE. AND IT WAS PRETTY MUCH 10 TO 20% FOR COMMONLY. SO WE WENT WITH 15. SINCE YOU SINCE YOU ASKED US TO FIND A NUMBER, THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDED BASED ON OUR RESEARCH AND WHAT IT IS. AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE THE WE'RE THE ONLY ONES IN THE AREA DOING IT AS WELL. THAT'S GREAT. THE FIRST KID IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HUH? DOING SOMETHING THAT IS SO ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY AND SUPPORTIVE. SO IT'S A GOOD THING TO DO. ARTICLE THREE WE THIS IS WHERE WE MADE A LOT OF CHANGES TO THE MOBILE VENDING TO MAKE IT MORE MODERN AND UP TO DATE, BUT WE CLARIFIED THAT MOBILE VENDING WOULD BE FROM A SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES LIMITED ONLY TO SPECIAL EVENTS, AND THAT REQUIRED MOBILE VENDORS AT A SINGLE LOCATION TO PROVIDE HOURS OF OPERATION. BUT THAT WAS FURTHER EXCLUDED FROM SPECIAL EVENTS. SO IF SOMEONE CAME IN FOR A SPECIAL EVENT THAT WAS NOT ON SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS THIS ADDITIONAL REGULATION BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY ADDRESSED IN THE SPECIAL EVENT APPLICATION. AND THEN WE CLARIFIED THAT ANY OBJECTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY PERMITTED WITHIN THAT SITE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE, THAT THEY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE [00:40:02] RESTRICTIONS ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE LIMITED FROM THE FIVE FOOT RIGHT OF WAY THAT THEY HAD TO HAVE A SETBACK. SO IF THIS IS THE THING I'M THINKING ABOUT. IS THIS THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? SHRUBBERY BEING RIGHT, SO WE CAN'T SEE AROUND IT OR OVER IT. CORRECT. SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE LOOKED AT MOST OF THE ROADWAYS AROUND HERE. THEY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY BEYOND WHERE THE PAVEMENT CURRENTLY IS OR BEYOND WHERE SIDEWALKS CURRENTLY ARE. SO THERE'S ALREADY A LITTLE BIT OF A BUILT IN BUFFER. AND WE WENT FIVE FEET BEYOND WHAT THAT WOULD BE. SO IT WOULD BE FROM NOT FROM THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT OR SIDEWALK. IT WOULD BE BEYOND THE RIGHT OF WAY, FIVE FEET. SO WE GOT STREET CURB. GRASSY STRIP SIDEWALK, FIVE FOOT BEYOND THAT POTENTIALLY MORE GRASSY AREA THAT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR POTENTIAL. A LOT OF OUR AREAS AROUND HERE HAVE SUCH LARGE RIGHT OF WAYS. IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU ACTUALLY SEE, WHITE HARDEE BOULEVARD IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT. THE RIGHT OF WAY EXTENDS WELL BEYOND THAT SIDEWALK. AND SO IT WOULD BE ANOTHER FIVE FEET FROM THAT. AND WE LOOKED AT EVEN DOWN MOST OF THE DOWNTOWN AREAS THAT ARE HIGHLY AFFECTED BY THIS PROVISION HAVE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY BEYOND WHAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE. WE'RE GOING TO BE FIVE FOOT BEYOND THE SIDEWALK, WHICH SHOULD GIVE US ENOUGH SPACE TO PULL UP AND GET TO THE WHITE STRIPE AND LOOK LEFT. IT WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK, PROBABLY MORE BASICALLY SUPER. THE FIRST STATEMENT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. SO THERE WAS SOME THERE WAS LANGUAGE ALREADY IN THERE THAT HAD THE INTENTION OF LIKE MOBILE FOOD VENDORS AND WHATNOT. THERE WAS LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT SAID WHERE THEY WERE ALLOWED PREVIOUSLY. WELL, WE OPENED IT UP CITYWIDE AND SO THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION THERE. SO WE LIMITED IT, IF IT'S ON A SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY, IT'S LIMITED TO SPECIAL EVENTS. THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO JUST SET UP. THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AND GET PERMITTED FOR A SPECIAL OCCASION, LIKE A WEDDING OR SOMETHING. AND THEN. WE CLARIFIED THE LANGUAGE OF IF THEY'RE AT A SINGLE LOCATION, MOST OF OUR LOCATIONS DOWNTOWN THAT A VENDOR WOULD SET UP DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR A FULL TIME OPERATION OF A FOOD TRUCK. THEY DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR TWO TO BE ON SITE AT THE SAME TIME, SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S STILL SAFE AND CIRCULATION IS STILL THERE, PARKING IS STILL THERE, THAT KIND OF THING. SO THAT'S IT WAS JUST CLARIFYING THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS IN THERE BEFORE. SO FIRST, LIKE I SAID, SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY. YOU CAN. YOU CAN'T HAVE A MOBILE FOOD VENDOR SET UP EVERY DAY TO SELL STUFF. IT WOULDN'T BE FOR SALES, IT'D BE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS. WHAT IF I OWN IT? THAT'S ON MY PROPERTY. YOU'D STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE ZONING RULES. YOU CAN'T JUST SELL FROM YOUR PROPERTY. SO THE WAY I READ THAT NOW, I MIGHT BE WRONG THE WAY I'M READING IT. I OWN A FOOD TRUCK AND I. CAN'T SET IT UP ON MY PROPERTY. THE ONLY PLACE I CAN DO IT IS AT A SPECIAL EVENT. LIKE, NO, YOU CAN DO IT AT A SPECIAL EVENT, OR YOU CAN GO SET UP ON A PROPERTY THAT IS ZONED TO HAVE THAT COMMERCIAL USE ON IT. SO I'M NOT RESTRICTED TO SPECIAL EVENTS? NO, JUST ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY. THAT'S THE WAY I READ THAT. WELL, THE LANGUAGE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT ACTUALLY, IN THE TEXT, BUT. BUT IT MEANS THAT IF IT'S ON A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND YOU'RE SETTING IT UP IN YOUR YARD, IT'S ONLY FOR A SPECIAL EVENT. I JUST DON'T WANT TO STIFLE. NO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT WANTS TO THAT WANTS TO WORK AND AND AND BE A PRODUCTIVE MEMBER. YES. COMMUNITY THAT WOULD NOT STIFLE WE WE HAVE A FEW OF THEM THAT I CAN THINK OF DOWNTOWN THAT DO LIVE IN OUR DOWNTOWN. AND THEY TAKE THEIR MOBILE FOOD UNITS TO OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES TO SELL. BUT YEAH, SO SO IT WOULD FUNCTION THAT SAME WAY. OKAY. I THINK MAYBE. YOU DID. MOVING ON TO FOUR. UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE ON THREE. THIS IS ADDRESSING THE CALCULATION OF OPEN SPACE, HOW TREE PROTECTION IS TO BE DEMONSTRATED ON CONSTRUCTION TREE PROTECTION PLANS. HOLD IT. YEP. ONE AND ONE HALF FEET. YEP. FEET. I'M SORRY. YEP. IT WAS 1.5IN IN THERE, AND NOW IT'S 1.5FT. CAN WE SPELL OUT THE WORD FEET? BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH DOUBLE HASH AND SINGLE TICK. SO WE WILL SPELL IT OUT. BUT I DID CATCH IT WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT ARTICLE. [00:45:02] SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ADDRESSED. BUT IT'S ONE HALF FEET ON THE PLANS. AND THEN TO ENCOURAGE SOLAR LIGHTING FOR FIXTURES. AND IT KIND OF GOES INTO DOVETAILS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVEN'T MANAGED TO GET ANYBODY TO DO IT YET, BUT WE'RE STILL TRYING. WELL, IF YOU SAW THE IN THE OVERVIEW OF THE CODE, WE ALSO WHAT WE ADDED WAS THAT ANY NEW TECHNOLOGIES, THINGS LIKE THAT, WE WANT TO BE REALLY SENSITIVE TO THAT AND BE AWARE AND BE LEADERS, JUST LIKE YOU'RE BEING A LEADER IN THE PERVIOUS AREA. AND THEN WE'RE ADDING THAT WE'RE REQUIRING ALL APPLICATIONS TO BE DESIGNED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LOCAL STORMWATER MANUAL, AS AMENDED AND ADOPTED BY THE CITY. THE QUESTIONS ON THIS SECTION. BESIDES THE FOOT, WE'LL CHANGE THE FEET. OKAY. ARTICLE SEVEN WAS EASY JUST TO TO MODIFY THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS OF ARTICLE SIX THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING A PROVISION IN ARTICLE SIX THAT THAT DIDN'T CHANGE. AND IT'S UNDER THE SECTION THAT DEALS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION 6.46 YET NO, I DIDN'T OH, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT NO NO NO NO YOU DIDN'T I DIDN'T ADDRESS THIS. SHE WENT TO SEVEN. YES. WE DID NOT FORGET THAT. WE ARE WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THAT. WE JUST HAVE THE TIME BETWEEN FRIDAY AND TODAY. WE DID NOT. WE'RE NOT ABLE WITH THE WORKSHOPS AND EVERYTHING TO GET THAT ANSWER. BUT WE WILL HAVE THAT ANSWER BEFORE WE BEFORE WE VOTE ON RECOMMENDING IT TO CITY COUNCIL. NO, SIR. WELL, DON'T HAVE IT TODAY. WELL, YOU SEE, THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME. AND AND I GUESS IN THE NEXT SECTION THERE'S ANOTHER SIMILAR PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, OUR CONCERN WAS THAT THIS SECTION 6.4, UNDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION REQUIREMENT, SAYS THAT WE HAVE THE POWERS AND DUTIES DUTY TO DO CERTAIN THINGS. AND ONE OF THEM IS TO. RECOMMEND FOR ADOPTION BY CITY COUNCIL. A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM SETTING FORTH PROJECTS REQUIRED TO IMPLEMENT PLANS, AND SO ON. WE DON'T DO THAT. AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST WEEK THAT WE DON'T TOGGLE THE APPROPRIATE GATES TO DO THAT. BUT TO JEFF'S POINT, SHOULD WE SAY, YOU KNOW. WHEN CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE MET OR AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ASKING THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR IS TO MAKE CLARIFY THAT AND MAKE SURE WE ARE LEGAL, EXACTLY HOW WE SHOULD BE FOR STATE LAW AND FOR YOU. WE'RE NOT GOING TO WE'RE NOT GOING TO PROPOSE. WE'RE NOT WE'RE TAKING HER YOUR DISCUSSION FROM FROM FRIDAY AND FROM TODAY, SHE'LL HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION AND SHE WILL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. YOU CERTAINLY AS IN AS AS WAS YESTERDAY, CAN SPEAK OUT AGAINST THIS OR SPEAK FOR IT OR SPEAK HOWEVER YOU WANT TO AS IT'S GOING THROUGH THE COUNCIL PROCESS. WELL, SO. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY IS WE ARE RECOMMENDING WE ARE BEING ASKED TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL A DUTY FOR PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WE DON'T DO WITH THE HOPE THAT SOMEBODY WILL CHANGE IT BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY ADOPT IT. I'M SAYING THAT THAT'S THE STATE LAW HAS IT THAT WAY. BUT STATE LAW ALSO SAYS ON THAT THING, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE TRUE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IN PLACE, AS PER STATE LAW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE THAT ABILITY. I MEAN, SO SO I'M NOT GOING TO I MEAN, I WANT THE ATTORNEY TO DISCUSS IT. SO YOU YOUR YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS COMPARABLE ON THAT MATTER. I'M NOT ASKING IF YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TODAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING OR YOU CAN PUT IT CONDITIONALLY BASED ON THAT ITEM AND MARINA'S RECOMMENDATION. BUT SAYING I CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. I'M JUST SAYING HOW IT IS IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST. NO, I'VE NEVER SEEN IT TAKEN OUT OF YOUR DUTIES BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS THERE. WELL, YOU KNOW, I CAN ONLY SAY IF IT IS A REQUIREMENT OF STATE LAW, WE SHOULD DO IT. IF IT IS A REQUIREMENT OF STATE LAW. PRECEDENT TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS, THEN WE SHOULD WRITE THAT INTO THE TO THE MZDO. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF IF YOU HAVE TO DO THE FOLLOWING ONE, TWO, THREE THINGS PRIOR TO DEVELOPING THIS, THEN WE SHOULD SAY WE WILL DO THIS PROVIDED THAT ONE, TWO AND THREE HAVE OCCURRED. I MEAN, I JUST CAN'T SEE WHY WE WOULD EVER RECOMMEND ADOPTING SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW VERY WELL. WE DON'T DO. AND WE WE EITHER SHOULD DO IT, WE SHOULD TAKE IT OUT, OR WE SHOULD PUT THE CONDITIONS PRECEDENT INTO THAT PROVISION. AND UNTIL UNTIL WE DO, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE IT. YOU KNOW, ANOTHER WAY TO APPROACH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE COULD RECOMMEND IT TO CITY COUNCIL WITHOUT THAT PROVISION IN IT. [00:50:06] AND THE CITY ATTORNEY COULD COME UP WITH A LANGUAGE THAT THEY COULD ADD BACK IN. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. LIKE I SAID, YOU'RE AN ATTORNEY. I AM NOT I'M NOT. HOWEVER, YOU WANT TO WORK WITH THAT INFORMATION. WE CAN HANDLE IT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S GOING TO SAY. I IMAGINE SHE'S GOING TO GO WITH EXACTLY HOW STATE LAW HAS IT. IF STATE LAW WANTS IT IN THERE. ABSOLUTELY. WE ARE. STATE LAW WANTS IT IN THERE, WE SHOULD DO IT. I'M NOT SAYING, I'M SAYING I DON'T KNOW. AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY I DON'T KNOW ON THIS ONE. I AGREE IF WE DON'T STATE LAW WANTS IT IN THERE, IT SHOULD BE IN THERE. I'M NOT DISPUTING THAT AT ALL. AND IF STATE LAW WANTS IT IN THERE, WE SHOULD DO IT. AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADOPTING A PROVISION. I'M AGREEING WITH YOU SIR. I AM AGREEING WITH YOU THAT WE DON'T INTEND TO DO. THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO MENTION ON THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GO THROUGH THIS AND IF THAT'S THE ONLY ARTICLE OR EVEN SECTION OF CONCERN, YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE. AND WE CAN TALK THIS THROUGH ABOUT BEING ABLE TO MOVE IT FORWARD WITH THE PROVISION THAT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, NOT DRESSED OR, YOU KNOW, NEEDS TO BE FURTHER INVESTIGATED. AND WE CAN HAVE LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW, CAN WE DO THAT OR. ONCE AGAIN, I'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO CERTAIN THINGS AND I DON'T WANT TO. I WANT THEM TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DOCUMENT. OKAY, SO THERE'S NO SECTION SIX. SO THE REASON THERE'S NO SECTION SIX IS BECAUSE IT'S STILL BEING REVIEWED. SO I'VE ONLY INCLUDED. AND I THINK PART OF THIS DOCUMENT ONLY HAS THE CHANGES THAT STAFF FROM FRIDAY TO TODAY WAS ABLE TO ADDRESS I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. OKAY. SO ARTICLE SEVEN WAS TO MODIFY THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TO CLARIFY THE SRC MEETING AND ADDITIONAL REVIEW. INITIAL REVIEW. WHICH JUST. YEAH, WHAT YOU ASKED US TO DO IS JUST REORGANIZE THAT CHAPTER. SO WE MOVED THAT APPLICABLE INFORMATION TO RIGHT BEFORE THE SRC APPLICATION INFORMATION. SO IT'S JUST MOVING AROUND. WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE LANGUAGE JUST MOVED IT. THERE IS ANOTHER THING WE TALKED ABOUT WHERE WE'RE DEFINING WHAT'S REQUIRED IN THE APPLICATION. THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT WE WANTED TO INCLUDE THAT NO APPLICATION WOULD BE COMPLETE FOR CONSIDERATION BEFORE COUNCIL OR BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT THAT WASN'T COMPLETE. AND ONE OF THE PROVISIONS OF BEING COMPLETE IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTS BEFORE US THAT ARE REQUIRED BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. THE ITEMS ARE ALL LISTED OUT IN THERE. SO IF IT COMES FORWARD AS INCOMPLETE THEN IT WILL BE DEEMED INCOMPLETE. THE APPLICATION ITEMS ARE ALL IN THERE, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADD THAT EXTRA STATEMENT. OKAY. AND IT'S JUST THIS IS WHAT IT TAKES TO HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION. SO THEN DURING THE APPLICATION CHECK, IF IT'S NOT THERE THEN IT'S NOT COMPLETE. OKAY. AND KATIE DOES THAT INCLUDE EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. YES. OKAY. YES. IF CITY COUNCIL ASKS FOR ADDITIONAL STUFF DURING THE PROCESS, WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT. NO, NO. YES. IT'S EVERYTHING THAT WILL EVERYTHING THAT GOES TO YOU WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND NOTHING ADDITIONAL WILL BE IN BETWEEN THERE. IF THEY DON'T, I KNOW YOU'VE HAD SOME THAT COME FORWARD AND SAY OUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IS UNDERWAY. WE HAVE STOPPED THAT RECENTLY AND WE WILL NOT ALLOW THEM TO BRING THAT FORWARD BEFORE YOU WITHOUT THE COMPLETE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T FRANKLY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS REQUIRED BEFORE CITY COUNCIL IS, WHATEVER THAT IS. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE IT TOO, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT HAVE HAD A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION OR ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS IF WE HAD SEEN THE OKAY, I'D SAY THE LAST YEAR, EVERY APPLICATION HAS WE'VE REQUIRED FULL COMPLETE NO PENDING UNTIL COUNCIL. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. A LITTLE OFF THE SUBJECT. BUT YOU KNOW, OFTEN WE HEAR THE DISCUSSIONS AT COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT I THINK IS REFERRED TO AS A CULTURAL STUDY OR AN ARCHEOLOGICAL OR HISTORICAL, OR IS THAT A REQUIREMENT BEFORE COUNCIL AND A NEW PDD? SO YOU, YOU HAVE YOU HAD THE STUFF FOR THE RECENT AMENDMENT FOR THE PDD. YOU WILL YOU WILL NOT SEE IT FOR EVERY INITIAL MASTER PLAN, THEY MAY ASK QUESTIONS RELATED TO ONE THAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY, LIKE THE WEST ARGENT, ONE THAT I'VE BECOME VERY FAMILIAR WITH LATELY WAS DONE IN THE EARLY 2000, AND SO THAT WOULDN'T BE PART OF EVERY INITIAL MASTER PLAN THOUGH. BUT JUST THOSE. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT STAFF LOOKS AT BEFORE THAT INITIAL MASTER PLAN COMES TO YOU, TO MAKE SURE NO AREAS ARE AFFECTED BY IT. I SPECIFICALLY HAVE AN INTEREST IN THAT BECAUSE OF MR. TALBOT'S REQUEST FOR A CULTURAL, WHICH IT WAS, I BELIEVE STILL HASN'T GOTTEN WELL. NO, THE PART THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO LEGALLY SHARE HAS BEEN SHARED. BUT THERE IS THERE AFTER YESTERDAY'S WORKSHOP, THERE ARE SOME THINGS BEING WORKED WITH THE STATE AND SOME ATTORNEYS TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL [00:55:08] INFORMATION, BUT WE HAVE VERY STRICT LEGAL REQUIREMENTS REGARDING THAT BECAUSE WE CAN'T EXPOSE ALL THAT. BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT DEBATE. NO, I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO, BUT IF THE APPLICANT PROMISES TO GIVE IT, THEN THE APPLICANT SHOULD GIVE IT AND NOT DENY IT. WE NEED TO STAY FOCUSED ON THE MZO TODAY, I REALLY WELL DISCUSS THAT ANYMORE UNTIL WE GET SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT JUST HAPPENED YESTERDAY AFTERNOON SO WE KNOW WHAT TIME.. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN JUST YESTERDAY. THAT'S THE POINT. BUT ANYWAY, LET'S MOVE ON. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT IN. YOU'RE WELCOME. SO ARTICLE EIGHT. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS NOT DISCUSSED INITIALLY AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS IS THAT SANDWICH BOARDS, WE REQUIRE THAT THEY HAVE TO BE WOOD. BUT WE ALSO HAD WE'RE ALSO ADDING A PROVISION THAT IF IT'S A PLASTIC MATERIAL, A LOT OF THERE'S COMPOSITE MATERIALS NOW THAT ARE MADE TO LOOK LIKE WOOD THAT ARE HARDY AND WILL BE WILL LAST. AND IF IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS THEN THE, THE STAFF CAN REVIEW IT AND APPROVE THAT. SO WE'VE ADDED THAT IN EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T PART OF YOUR DISCUSSION ON FRIDAY. BUT THE SANDWICH SIGNS ARE MEANT TO BE TEMPORARY. SO ONLY DURING HOURS. WELL THE DURING HOURS OF OF THE OPERATION. BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT THEM TO BE LOOKING SPLINTERED AND KIND OF FALLING APART. SO IF THEY'RE OUT THERE AND THEY'RE BEING, YOU KNOW, THEY GET WEATHERED, THEY'RE OUT THERE IN THE ELEMENTS. IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL MATERIAL, WE THINK IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A BETTER QUALITY SANDWICH SIGN OUT THERE. YES. AND WHAT THE SIGNS I THOUGHT THOSE WERE MEANT TO BE TEMPORARY. AND HAULING IT OUT EVERY MORNING IS A PERMANENT SIGN. THE SANDWICH BOARD SIGNS ARE NOT TEMPORARY IN OUR UNDERSTANDING. THEY ARE ALLOWED EVERY DAY. YOU. I MEAN, GO DOWNTOWN BEAUFORT, DOWNTOWN BLUFFTON. THEY THAT'S IT'S INSTEAD OF HAVING A PERMANENT FREESTANDING SIGN, YOU KNOW, MONUMENT STYLE SIGN IN THE GROUND, IT GIVES THE ABILITY TO JUST HAVE THAT SIGN GO RIGHT OUT IN FRONT OF THE STOREFRONT EVERY DAY AND COME BACK IN WHEN THE STORE IS NOT IN OPERATION. AND THAT'S TYPICAL. THAT'S VERY TYPICAL. EVERY DOWNTOWN ALLOWS THOSE. MR. TALBOT AND I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE BEEN USED IN OTHER PLACES FOR OTHER USES. THAT IS NOT ALLOWED. THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE MAKING SURE IS NOT ALLOWED. A SANDWICH SIGN SHOULD REALLY BE FOR TODAY'S SPECIAL AND A MENU OR A SANDWICH SPECIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, NOT TO BE PUT OUT IN FRONT OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, OR FOR MODELS AND STUFF AND BE LEFT OUT THERE PERMANENTLY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE CONTROLLING. WE'RE CONTROLLING AND ENFORCING IT RATHER THAN CHANGING FOR A DOWNTOWN WHITE HARDEE BOULEVARD AREA, YOU MOST DEFINITELY WANT SANDWICH SIGNS. EVEN IN SOME OF OUR LITTLE YES, SOME OF OUR OTHER COMMERCIAL AREAS OUT AND ABOUT, YOU WANT IT TO BE ABLE TO PUT IN FRONT OF. YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IT OUT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OR BY THE RIGHT OF WAY. YEAH, THAT BRINGS UP A QUESTION. THEN WHY CAN'T THEY HAVE SIGNS WITH CHANGEABLE LETTERS IF THEY'RE GOING TO ADVERTISE THE DAILY SPECIAL? IT'S THE CALL. I THINK IT'S THE QUALITY OF THE SIGN THAT WE TYPICALLY SEE WHEN YOU'RE HAVING A CHANGEABLE ONE. IT'S KIND OF MORE LIKE AN OLD, YOU KNOW, A LIKE A GAS STATION SIGN, WHICH IS THERE STILL PROVISIONS FOR THAT AND ALLOWANCES FOR THAT, BUT IT BECOMES A MORE DATED, NOT OF A HIGHER QUALITY TYPE OF A SIGN. TYPICALLY THEY GET A MESSAGE, GETS PUT UP THERE, LETTERS FALL OFF, IT STAYS UP THERE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE WE'RE COMING INTO COMPLIANCE AND KEEPING THAT LOOK FOR WHITE HARDEE BOULEVARD AND THOSE THOSE DOWNTOWN AREAS THAT WE WANT. I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE SAID THAT WE HAVE ADVERTISED DAILY. WE HAVE ONE OUT FRONT. YEAH, RIGHT. AND SOMETHING TO ALSO MENTION IS THE POINT OF THE SANDWICH SIGNS IS REALLY FOR THE PEDESTRIAN. WHEN YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE OTHER TYPE OF SIGNS, IT'S REALLY IT'S NOT REALLY FOR THE PEDESTRIAN ANYMORE. AND THEN IT BECOMES FOR THE VEHICLE. AND THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE MORE OF A PERMANENT SIGN THAT HAS THE CHARACTERISTICS OF A PERMANENT SIGN, RATHER THAN.. ACTUALLY ONES THAT CHANGE AND FLASH DOWN ON ARGENT. OKAY, OKAY. IN ARTICLE NINE THIS WAS ALL THE DEFINITION SECTION. SO WE'VE MADE AND I GUESS I MISSED THIS PART OF THE CONVERSATION, BUT WE'VE ADDED AND REMOVED A NUMBER OF DEFINITIONS AND YOU'LL SEE WHAT THEY ARE HERE. ALL RELATED MOSTLY TO ASSISTED LIVING, INDEPENDENT LIVING SO FORTH. [01:00:01] WE CAME INTO THE 21ST CENTURY. THANK YOU. AND THEN. OKAY. AND THEN I'M GOING TO DO A COUPLE OTHERS THAT CAME UP SINCE FRIDAY. I CAN PULL THEM. SO SOME CAME TO MY ATTENTION AFTER I HAD ALREADY MADE THE CHANGES. SO WE'LL UPDATE YOU ON WHAT HAPPENED. STORMWATER. WE HAD A VERY SHORT STATEMENT IN THERE TO COVER THE LOCO MANUAL. MR. BROWN AND I WENT TO BLUFFTON ON MONDAY MONDAY AND HAD A VERY LENGTHY CONVERSATION ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH THE LOCO STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL. AND SO WHAT WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS, IS THAT WE GO AHEAD AND PUT A PROVISION IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND THEN COME BACK SEPARATELY WITH OUR VERSION OF THE MANUAL THAT WE WANT TO TIE THIS TO. SO. ALL APPLICATIONS SHALL BE DESIGNED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LOCAL STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL, AS AMENDED AND ADOPTED BY THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE. IN THE EVENT OF A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE BETTER SITE DESIGN PRINCIPLES INCLUDED IN THE SDM AND THE CITY'S MZO. THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE MZO SHALL PREVAIL AND HAVE PRECEDENCE. SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING AND YOU WILL FIND OUT MORE FOLLOWING THIS ABOUT WHICH SECTIONS WE ARE GOING TO USE. BUT THIS IS A REGIONAL COMMITTEE THAT CAME UP WITH A MANUAL, AND THEY WANT IT TO BE MORE OF A REGIONAL APPROACH TO STORMWATER. SO WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS THAT. IT GIVES YOU MORE FLEXIBILITY. THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE OUR REQUIREMENTS STRICTER. BUT WE'RE ADDING THIS LANGUAGE IN SO THAT WE ARE PREPARED TO HAVE THAT MANUAL. THERE WAS A MANUAL IN OUR OLD ORDINANCE THAT DIDN'T EVEN EXIST THAT WAS REFERENCED. SO NOW WE'LL HAVE ONE THAT ACTUALLY EXISTS, AND WE CAN GO BY. HILTON HEAD AND HARDEEVILLE ARE BOTH TAKING THE SAME APPROACH THAT WE CAN'T DO THE ENTIRE MANUAL DUE TO SOME, SOME TECHNICAL ITEMS, SUCH AS WE'RE NOT AN MS4 COMMUNITY YET. WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING TO DO SOME OF THIS STUFF. WE DON'T HAVE THE TESTING ABILITIES AND WHATNOT, BUT WE CAN ADOPT SECTIONS OF IT AND WORK TOWARDS A BETTER DESIGN, AND IT MAKES US CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE AREA. YES, THAT WE DO FOR COUNTY, AND ESPECIALLY THAT'S WHAT I MEANT BY MORE FLEXIBLE. YEAH, YEAH. IT'S NOT IT IS STRICTER. IT'S GOING TO BE STRICTER THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. BUT WE'RE MOVING IN A GOOD DIRECTION. GOOD. YES IT'S A GOOD THING. YES. SO AND MR. SIPLE ASKED ME TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WERE DEFINITIONS FOR BOTH OPEN SPACE AND ACTIVE OPEN SPACE. OPEN SPACE IS DESIGNED IN 4.3, BUT I ADDED IT AS WELL TO THE DEFINITIONS ARTICLE. ALL AREAS NOT UTILIZED FOR BUILDING SIDEWALKS, ROADS AND PARKING AREAS QUALIFYING AS OPEN SPACE OR LANDSCAPE AREAS. DEDICATED WILDLIFE PRESERVES BUFFER AREAS AS REQUIRED IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR, OVERLAY DISTRICT, OR OTHER BUFFER REQUIREMENTS THAT MAY BE FOUND IN THE MZDO AND ACTIVE OPEN SPACE AS OPEN SPACE THAT MAY BE IMPROVED AND SET ASIDE DEDICATED, DESIGNATED, OR RESERVED FOR RECREATIONAL FACILITIES SUCH AS SWIMMING POOLS, PLAY EQUIPMENT FOR CHILDREN, BALL FIELDS, COURT GAMES, PICNIC TABLES. ET CETERA. AND I TOOK THAT DEFINITION STRAIGHT FROM THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION'S DICTIONARY. WE HAVE A WHOLE PLANNERS DICTIONARY IF YOU'D EVER LIKE SOME READING MATERIAL. OH, IT'S LIKE A REAL PAGE TURNER. YEAH. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS THE THE ONE FOOT, WHICH WE HAD ALREADY INCLUDED IN THAT. SO THOSE WERE THE UPDATES THAT HAPPENED SINCE YOUR COPY CAME OUT. I THINK THAT THEY'RE ALL GOOD UPDATES. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LET US KNOW. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A HELL OF A JOB AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. BUT I STILL HATE SANDWICH BOARDS. SO WHEN DO YOU INTEND TO PRESENT THIS TO COUNCIL? OR WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT IT TO COUNCIL? WITH THE HOLIDAYS, I CAN'T EXACTLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. WELL, BASED ON YESTERDAY, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING TILL THE 14TH. WELL, THAT IS STILL THAT IS EVEN CHANGED SINCE YESTERDAY, SIR. MISS A DAY, MISS A LOT. MISS, MISS AN HOUR, MISS A MINUTE, MISS A LOT. SO THAT IS, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. MY GUESS IS JANUARY. HONESTLY AND TRUTHFULLY JANUARY. I DO NOT KNOW THOUGH, I AM NOT, I DON'T SET THAT AGENDA. WE WERE HOPING TO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TODAY IF WE HAVE TO POSTPONE THAT DUE TO OTHER THINGS. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT I WANT IT. I BELIEVE, AND JUST BECAUSE I LIVE HERE EVERY DAY, I BELIEVE TAKING THE WHOLE DOCUMENT AT ONE TIME IS [01:05:05] BEST FOR US. I DON'T DISAGREE, I WOULD LIKE TO PUSH FOR A LITTLE TIME FOR US TO FINISH UP THE SECTION SIX THING, BUT I ALSO WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY READ THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT FROM COVER TO COVER, NOW THAT ALL THE EXTRANEOUS MARKUPS AND STUFF ARE GONE. YOU KNOW, I CAN CARRY ON THOUGHTS BETTER. IT WAS SOMETIMES TOUGH WITH ALL THE MARKUPS TO DO THAT, SO I'D LIKE TO READ IT COVER TO COVER WITH WHAT YOU HAVE NOW. AND YOU KNOW, WE'LL DO SECTION SIX WHEN YOU GET IT IN THERE. BUT AGAIN, I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO READ THIS WHOLE THING COVER TO COVER AGAIN BEFORE I WOULD LIKE THERE TO BE SOME KIND OF FINALITY OR SOME KIND OF DATE SET THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET THAT. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT TO BE INFORMED. WE'RE GOING TO LIVE WITH IT FOR 15 YEARS. BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT THIS TO KEEP GOING ONE MORE THING, ONE MORE THING. THAT'S MY ONLY PROMISE I HAVE TO GIVE TO PLANNING COUNCIL. THERE'S A CHANCE THAT WE WOULD HAVE ONE MORE MEETING BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETS. WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING EARLY DECEMBER. YOU WILL HAVE A MEETING IN DECEMBER? ABSOLUTELY. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE ALL DO WHATEVER REVIEW WE CHOOSE TO GET ANY OF OUR COMMENTS TO TO KATIE AND BRIANNA COPY EACH OTHER SO WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT. AND THEN IN DECEMBER, ANY CHANGES THAT COME OUT OF THIS, WE'D BE ABLE TO LOOK AT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND DECEMBER IS THE DROP DEAD DATE THAT GETS IT ON THE COUNCIL'S AGENDA MEETING FOR JANUARY. BUT WE'VE GOT TO WE CAN'T JUST LEAVE IT HANGING. WE'VE GOT TO MAKE A MOTION TODAY TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT. YOU CAN YOU CAN TABLE IT. YEAH. TO A DATE CERTAIN TO A DATE CERTAIN. WHICH WOULD BE THE 13TH IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION. DECEMBER 13TH IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE HOPEFULLY ALSO WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY WHICH IS IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO FOR YOU GUYS AS WELL AS US. MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULD GET THE ANSWER FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY? AND WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE TODAY, THE CHANGES, GET A CLEAN COPY PRINTED FOR EACH OF US. I'D LIKE TO STILL KEEP THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTING, IF THAT'S OKAY. YOU CAN KEEP THAT SHOWS THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE BASED ON OUR COMMENTS. OKAY. LASTLY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT. THE ONLY REASON YOU DIDN'T GET A HARD COPY TODAY WAS TIMING. I UNDERSTAND. WE WILL HAVE IT TO YOU BEFORE YOUR NEXT MEETING. I CAN'T PROMISE YOU RIGHT NOW THE EXACT DAY BECAUSE I'M WAITING ON OTHER PEOPLE. BUT WE WILL HAVE IT TO YOU IN ADVANCE OF THE DECEMBER MEETING. OBVIOUSLY THE SOONER THE BETTER. IT'S OBVIOUSLY. BUT I CAN START WITH WHAT YOU'VE GIVEN ME. FREE MOTION? SURE. OKAY. SARAH'S EXCUSED FROM THE DECEMBER MEETING. OKAY, I'LL EXCUSE HER. FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE ORDERS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT CONSIDERATION OF AN UPDATE TO THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE MUNICIPAL ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE MZDO BE TABLED TO THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE HARDEEVILLE PLANNING COMMISSION, DECEMBER 13TH, 2023. I HEAR A SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. NOW THE PROBLEM. [VII. PLANNING MANAGER’S REPORT] NOW THE MANAGER'S REPORT. LET ME GET MY NOTES. ALL RIGHT. I'LL START WITH SOME ITEMS THAT YOU REVIEWED BACK IN SEPTEMBER. WE DID HAVE COUNCIL WORKSHOPS FOR BOTH THE FARMHOUSE PROJECT AND 15 C, WHICH WAS BOTH IN EAST ARGENT. 15 C WENT TO FIRST READING THURSDAY AND FARMHOUSE GOES TO FIRST READING NEXT THURSDAY. YESTERDAY WAS THE WORKSHOP FOR THE CAR PROJECT AS MANY OF YOU ATTENDED. AS FAR AS STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE GOES, WE'RE STILL. MOVING FORWARD. PRETTY STRONG CLARIUS, WHICH YOU REVIEWED A COUPLE YEARS AGO DOWN ON 17. YEAH, BETWEEN LEVY ROAD AND FREEDOM PARKWAY. YEAH. BEHIND KIND OF BEHIND A GM IMPORTS THAT PROJECT. THEIR FIRST FOUR BUILDINGS ALL CAME THROUGH AND WERE APPROVED YESTERDAY. OKAY. YESTERDAY. YEAH. WHILE WE WERE IN COUNCIL CHRIS TOOK CARE OF THAT ONE. SO THEY THEY'RE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BUILDING PERMITS. [01:10:05] HORIZONS WHICH IS THE PROPERTY IN WEST ARGENT. THAT'S KIND OF LIKE BEHIND WHERE THE FIRE STATION IS THAT PHASE ONE HAS APPROVAL AS OF TODAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT. YES. HORIZONS. IS THAT THE ONE KIND OF JUST OFF TO THE LEFT WHEN YOU FIRST COME IN, THAT'S BEEN BEEN IDLE FOR SEEMINGLY A LONG TIME. IT'S YEAH, IT'S YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT UP. IT'S NOT RIGHT AT 278. IT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER UP. BUT YES. OKAY. THAT'S THE ONE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY LENNAR AND YES FELL THROUGH. AND I BELIEVE K HOVNANIAN IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPING THAT ONE. AND THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK THAT WENT INTO THAT ONE WITH SRC THERE. THAT ONE HAS A VERY SIGNIFICANT TREE. AND WE MADE SURE THAT IT IS SAVED. AND THERE WILL BE A PARK AREA NEAR IT AND THAT SO WE WILL HAVE THAT LIVE OAK.. SOLAR LIGHTING. OH SO OPTIMISTIC. THERE'S A PROJECT WHERE THE KNIGHTS INN USED TO BE ON WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD, AND THE THE OLD CHINESE RESTAURANT. THAT ONE IS GOING TO BE IMPROVED AND IT WILL BE A COMPANY CALLED SITE ONE. THEY THEY DO LANDSCAPING AND LIKE PAVER MATERIALS AND WHATNOT. SO WE BECAUSE THEY DO LANDSCAPING, THEY WILL BE ADDING SOME BUFFERS AND NICE FENCING AND THEY SELL LAWN CHEMICALS TOO. YEAH. THAT'S THOSE WILL BE STORED PROPERLY. WE MADE SURE THAT YESTERDAY THAT GOT THE PERMIT THAT ACTUALLY GOT ITS PERMIT ISSUED YESTERDAY AS WELL. FERINO WAS DOING A NEW COMMERCIAL SITE THAT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN ON ARGENT BOULEVARD AT JASPER STATION ROAD THAT IS UNDERGOING FINAL INSPECTIONS. SO THEY WILL BE BUILDING. THAT IS A PRETTY BUILDING. IT LOOKS REAL NICE AT NIGHT WITH THE UP LIGHTING AND EVERYTHING. UM, AND THEN RIVER PORT ENTRYWAY FOR PHASE ONE, WHICH IS DOWN NEAR ALLIGATOR ALLEY SOUTH OF WASTE MANAGEMENT. THEY ARE FINALLY ABOUT TO START THEIR LANDSCAPING AND ENTRYWAY OF THAT IMPROVEMENTS FOR THAT AREA. SO THAT'LL BE SOME BEAUTIFICATION ON 17. THAT'LL BE NICE. UM, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON. I THINK I COVERED MOST OF IT. WE'RE STILL MOVING FORWARD WITH DIFFERENT PHASES OF LATITUDE AND SUN CITY AND ALL OF OUR USUALS. OH, BRIANNA THINKS BRIANNA HAS SOMETHING ELSE TO ADD. SO I JUST SAW AN EMAIL SO WHICH I'D SEEN EARLIER, BUT. FREEDOM INDUSTRIAL PARK. IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED? DOWN BY AGM IMPORTS ON HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH OF THE GRANITE. YEAH, THAT'S THE THE ONE THAT'S KIND OF. IT'S NOT CLARIUS, CLARIUS IS BEHIND IT, BUT THIS IS RIGHT OFF OF OF RIGHT BESIDE AGM 14. RIGHT BESIDE AGM IMPORTS. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THEY ARE HAVING A KIND OF A RIBBON CUTTING GROUND. GROUNDBREAKING. THE ONLY THING THERE IS, IS AGM IMPORTS. AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING IT. BUT THEY'RE PUT SOME INFORMATION OUT AND I'LL SEND THAT OUT TO YOU JUST IN CASE YOU WANT TO KNOW. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO COME THROUGH THIS BODY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WAS AWARE OF IT BECAUSE COUNCIL HAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IT AS WELL. SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE. YEAH, WELL, THERE'S CONSTRUCTION EVERYWHERE. EVERYWHERE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE THE LITTLE HOUSES OVER HERE ON MAIN STREET. WE GOT THIS BIG RENTAL COMMUNITY BACK BY THE RIVER OAKS CHARTER SCHOOL. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF DIRT MOVING, GOING ON IN THE CITY, SO. AND WHAT IS IT, EXIT FIVE RIGHT NOW. WHAT IS GOING ON? EXIT FIVE IS PART OF THE COMMERCE PARK, THE HARDEEVILLE COMMERCE PARK. THERE ARE SOME KIND OF WAREHOUSE BUSINESS. YEAH, BUILDINGS BACK THERE, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT SIZES. THERE'LL BE DIFFERENT SIZES DEPENDING ON THE USERS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE EVERYTHING FROM A GRANITE COMPANY TO A BIGGER WAREHOUSE FACILITY WITH USERS TO BE DETERMINED. SO WE HAVE TO REALIGN A ROAD OVER THERE. WE WE BUILT THE CITY, BUILT THE MAIN ENTRY ROAD TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PARK AND THE AND THERE'S A POTENTIAL IN THE FUTURE AS WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT TO MAYBE CONNECT THAT TO EXIT THREE IS THE HOPE. SO? [01:15:07] OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A COUPLE. WHAT'S GOING ON ON BOTH SIDES OF JOHN SMITH AT 95? IT'S PART OF THE I-95 WIDENING SOME INITIAL CLEARING. AS FOR. OH, FOR THE BRIDGE FOR JOHN SMITH. REDO THAT BRIDGE. OKAY. SO THEY'RE GOING TO START AT THIS END INSTEAD OF THE GEORGIA END? NO THEY'RE STARTING AT GEORGIA. BUT THERE'S SOME WORK THAT HAD TO BE DONE NOW THAT INSTEAD OF LATER ON. AND THEN THE OTHER BIG PROJECT AT THE INTERSECTION OF JOHN SMITH AND 278, WHAT IS THAT? THAT IS A THAT IS CALLED FOUR CORNERS. IT'S A BUILDING SUPPLY PLACE. IT'S A WHAT? RIGHT. NO, IT'S IN CITY. IT'S STRAIGHT ZONING. THEY CAME THROUGH FOR A REZONING, BUT THEY WEREN'T APPROVED. SO THAT PROPERTY THAT SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER, THERE WERE GOING TO BE APARTMENTS, APARTMENTS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, AND THEY COULDN'T AFFORD THE COULDN'T AFFORD THE UTILITIES. WELL COME DOWN. NO THEY COULDN'T THEY DIDN'T GET ZONING APPROVED FOR THAT EITHER. IT GOT DENIED BY CITY COUNCIL. SO THAT FELL THROUGH AND IT WAS SOLD TO THIS BUILDING SUPPLY COMPANY. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A RETAIL. YES. OKAY. TAX BASE. OH, TRAFFIC ON THAT INTERSECTION. OH, MAN. AND THEN THE NEW EXIT OR JOHN SMITH THE BRIDGE. WOULD THAT INCLUDE AN ON AND OFF RAMP OR NOT? NO. THAT'S GOING TO STILL JUST BE A BRIDGE. BUT THEY ARE ADDING THEY'RE THEY'RE WIDENING IT AND REALIGNING IT A LITTLE BIT. OH, THEY PUT IT SO PERFECTLY WHEN THEY CLEARED IT IT LOOKED. YES YES IT DOES. YEAH. OKAY. SO I SAW A PRESENTATION BY A GENTLEMAN FROM BEAUFORT COUNTY ABOUT THE TRIANGLE. AND THAT WAS VERY WELL DONE. AND REALLY I PICKED UP A LOT FROM IT. UH, WHICH THEN ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS ASKED ME ABOUT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT SHORTCUT. AND MY RECOLLECTION WAS YOU GUYS HAD TOLD US THEY HAD TO REALIGN THE INTERSECTION, BUT THERE WAS SOME CONSTERNATION BECAUSE THERE WAS A VERY EXPENSIVE 60 INCH SEWER PIPE IN THE WAY. THERE STILL IS A ROUNDABOUT. NO, NO, NO ROUNDABOUT. UM. NO SPACE. JUMP IN ON THIS ONE. YES, IT DOES LOOK LIKE THAT. EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS THE FIRST TRAFFIC LIGHT ALONG ARGENT THAT WE WERE THE CITY WAS WORKING ON. IT DOES LOOK THERE'S STILL SOME ISSUES WITH THE. THE PIPING AND HOW IT'S GOING TO BE DONE, AND WHO IS GOING TO PAY AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE, AND NOTHING THAT WE CAN CONTROL, THAT INTERSECTION IS GOING TO BE STRAIGHTENED OUT. THEY HAVE TO IT IS IT'S AN OFFSET INTERSECTION. IF YOU LOOK AT SHORTCUT.. AND WELL, AFTER LISTENING TO THE TO THE ENGINEER ON THE ON THE TRIANGLE. YEAH. THAT WOULD HAVING A MISALIGNED INTERSECTION ONLY MAKES THE DELAYS LARGER AS YOU TRY TO MOVE THE TRAFFIC FROM THE SIDE ROAD. SO THAT ONE IS IS DELAYED. I DON'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS, MATT DAVIS, OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, IS THE POINT PERSON ON THAT FOR FOR THE CITY. HE IS WORKING TIRELESSLY. I THINK HE HE MEETS ON IT FREQUENTLY. BUT IN THE IN THE MEANTIME THERE ARE OTHER LIGHTS FOR ARGENT AND 278 FOR ARGENT AND NEW RIVER OR EAST AND EAST ARGENT, LOOP ROAD, EAST ARGENT PARKWAY THAT WILL BE PUT IN PLACE. WE ARE, THE CONVERSATION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH LIGHTING, TRAFFIC LIGHTS BEFORE ALL THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE JUST TO GET THAT TRAFFIC SLOWED DOWN AND SPACED OUT A LITTLE. SOMETHING HE SAID ABOUT THE NEW RIVER INTERSECTION, THE ONE THAT GOES INTO EAST ARGENT. I THOUGHT I HEARD HIM SAY THAT THE THE ROAD BETWEEN 278 AND ARGENT, ACROSS FROM THE.. NEW RIVER. NEW RIVER. BUT THAT'S A PRIVATE ROAD? YES IT IS. AND SO IN JASPER COUNTY, IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD. IT WAS DONE BACK IN THE EARLY 2000, BEFORE WALMART AND EVERYTHING. THAT IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IN JASPER COUNTY THAT INCLUDES THE AUTO MALL AND THAT WHOLE LITTLE SMALL TRIANGLE THERE WITH MEAD [01:20:08] ROAD AND ALL OF THIS BUSINESS, PALMETTO ELECTRIC ABBEY, ALL THE DOCTOR OFFICES. SO FOR THE STATE/COUNTY/CITY TO DO THE LIGHTS AT 278 AND THE LIGHT BACK ON ARGENT ROAD, DO WE HAVE, DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A ON ARGENT ROAD THAT'S ALREADY BEING TAKEN CARE OF, THE ONE FOR THE EAST ARGENT PDD YEAH, BUT I THOUGHT THERE TIES INTO IT. RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS. I DON'T WANT TO KNOW ALL THE DETAILS, BUT THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH A LAWSUIT AND MANY, MANY, MANY MEETINGS AND MANY, MANY NEGOTIATIONS. AND I CAN GET YOU SOME INFORMATION ON THAT. BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. WHO HAS THE LEAD? THE CITY? THE COUNTY? WHO HAS THE LEAD ON THAT? ON THE WELL DOT BECAUSE ARGENT IS A DOT ROAD AND SO IS 78. SO BUT THE CITY IS WORKING OBVIOUSLY WITH THE SERGEANT DEVELOPERS AND USING DEVELOPMENT FEES AND MID FUNDINGS AND EVERYTHING TO GET THAT ARGENT AND. UM, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT.. EAST ARGENT PARKWAY ROAD.. THE LIGHT AT WALMART WILL HAVE TO GO AWAY BECAUSE IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THOSE INTERSECTIONS, WHICH IS, I ASSUME, GOING TO CAUSE SOME YELLING, SCREAMING, AND GNASHING OF TEETH ON THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THERE. BUT TAKE THAT. THAT'S THAT'S INFORMATION. WE CAN GET YOU MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. I DON'T HAVE IT TODAY THOUGH, BUT. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IT BETTER. I WILL GET SOME INFORMATION TOGETHER FOR YOU. BUT IT'S REALLY NOTHING THAT WE DEAL WITH, I GUESS. SO ANYWAY, YEAH, THAT IS THE TRIANGLE PROJECT HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED. UM, 278 HASN'T BEEN FINALIZED BECAUSE OF THEY NEED TO LOOK AT IT, NOT JUST AS THE TRIANGLE THEY NEED TO LOOK AT IT FROM. THE THREE LANES ALL THE WAY TO I-95 AND THE WIDENING OF I-95. IT BRINGS IN A WHOLE CHAIN OF EVENTS. YEAH. I MEAN, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT WANTING TO PUT A BUNCH OF LIGHTS ALONG THAT ROAD TO CONTROL TRAFFIC SPEED AND WHATEVER, BUT IT WAS AN INTERESTING PRESENTATION. BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS JUST JUMPED OFF THE PAGE AT ME WHEN I HEARD THE PRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS GUYS? I HAVE A COMMENT. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE WORK AND THE PRESENTATION THAT MARK GAVE YESTERDAY AT THE CITY COUNCIL. YOU KNOW, I'VE, I THINK THE LAST TWO PRESENTATIONS THAT THE CHAIRMAN GAVE TO CITY COUNCIL AT A COUNCIL MEETING AND AT THE WORKSHOP YESTERDAY, I THINK I WAS PRESENT FOR BOTH OF THEM. AND IT'S REALLY QUITE IMPRESSIVE. I THINK THAT THE THE EXPLANATIONS AND THE INFORMATION THAT HE HAS BEEN GIVING IS VERY OFTEN THE MOST COGENT, CLEAR, SPECIFIC INFORMATION THAT'S BEING PRESENTED. AND I REALLY THINK IT DOES OUR COMMISSION REALLY PROUD TO HAVE THAT. I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION ONE OTHER THING I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED AS YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THE CHANGES ON THE MZDO, AT THE VERY END THERE YOU SHOWED DEFINITIONS FOR OPEN AND ACTIVE SPACE. I JUST WANT TO RAISE A QUESTION OR MENTION IT ON THE DEFINITION FOR OPEN SPACE. YOU USE THE WORD MAY. OUR DEFINITIONS, AND MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORD IS THAT MAY IS PERMISSIVE. NOT REQUIRED. THAT IS OUR DEFINITION UNDER THE YOU KNOW, IN THE IN THE NEW PROPOSED MZDO. AND I WONDER IF IT SHOULD BE IF MAY IS THE PROPER WORD. I DON'T I'M NOT LOOKING FOR ANY ANSWER. I JUST JUST WANT TO RAISE THAT QUESTION. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE FIRST SENTENCES, THEY OPEN SPACE THAT WILL BE IMPROVED OR IS IT. YEAH, I KNOW WHATEVER YOU COME UP WITH ON THAT. BUT I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE CONSIDERED. AN OPEN SPACE CANNOT BE IMPROVED. YEAH. SO IT CAN BE UNPROGRAMED ACTIVE OPEN SPACE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY BE IMPROVED. IT CAN BE A FIELD THAT A KID JUST GOES AND KICKS A SOCCER BALL AROUND TOO. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT COULD BE IMPROVED IN THE FUTURE IF, IF THEY WANTED TO. BUT ACTIVE OPEN SPACE CAN ALSO BE AN OPEN LIKE I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS FROM ONE THAT KIDS ARE OUT THERE WITH A FRISBEE AND A SOCCER BALL ALL THE TIME, AND I WOULD HATE FOR THEM TO GO IN THERE AND ACTUALLY STRUCTURE IT FOR SOMETHING SPECIFIC, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH OTHER SPECIFIC. SO IT'S NOT IT COULD BE UNIMPROVED? YEAH. SO MAYBE WILL BE SET ASIDE AND MAYBE IMPROVED DEDICATED DESIGNATED SET ASIDE FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES. WE CAN DO THAT. WE JUST I DID LIKE I SAID, I TOOK THIS STRAIGHT FROM THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION AND I'M JUST I JUST WANTED TO POINT IT OUT. [01:25:06] SO SOMEONE TAKE A LOOK AT IT. SO OPEN SPACE THAT WILL BE SET ASIDE FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IMPROVED OR UNIMPROVED SOMETHING. BUT I THINK JUST TRYING TO GET AT DAGGONE ON IT. WE WANT THE OPEN SPACE. YOU OWE US THE OPEN SPACE. IT'S NOT AN OPTION. IT'S NOT PERMISSIVE. YEAH, IT IS NOT A PERMISSIVE. THOU SHALT GIVE US THE OPEN SPACE AND HERE'S HOW IT CAN BE USED. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT THE PARAGRAPH IS TRYING TO SAY. HERE'S WHAT IT CAN BE USED FOR. AS OPPOSED TO THOU SHALT GIVE US SOME OPEN SPACE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, GUYS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE, WE ADJOURN. SECOND OPPOSED? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.