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THOSE BEFORE? NO, ITS KATIE.THE ICE, THE ICE MACHINE DOES HAVE ICE IN IT NOW THOUGH.
IT DOES, BUT I WASN'T, I WASN'T SURE SINCE IT WAS, UM, DID YOU PUT SWITCHER FOR A WHILE? YEAH, SO I DIDN'T DID YOU CLICK ON IT YET? YEAH, YOU CAN BE.
HOW ABOUT THAT? FOR THAT? TELL ME, IS MIND IF I SIT IN WITH YOU? NO, WE APPRECIATE IT.
LEMME RUN SOME PIPE REAL QUICK.
SO THAT DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE IN COMMERCE PARK RIGHT NOW, THE BIG ONE THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE DOING ALL THE WORK.
I SET 'EM IN, I MEAN, INTO THAT AREA.
SHOULD NOT BE, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
WE CAN, UM, TILE AT LEAST IN FRONT OF WHERE THE BUSINESSES ARE STILL.
I THINK THE WHOLE, I THINK THE WHOLE THING, THEY NEED SHUT AND THESE, THESE DAILY INTERNET
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TRANSECT ZONING, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT TO, UM, I'VE FALLEN ON SILENT.I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS ARTICLE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVER DISCUSSED IN ANY OF OUR MEETINGS.
WELL, EXACTLY WHAT TRANSECT ZONING WAS.
IT'S, IT'S NEW TO US TOO, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.
UM, SO, UM, TO GET STARTED, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS MORNING TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THIS AND, AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S UM, CHANGED, WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM.
I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE USED A DARKER COLOR, BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN, YOU CAN READ IT ON SOMETHING.
UM, THAT'S JUST THE, A COPY OF THE AGENDA AND, UM, WE'LL PRESENT AND WE CAN, YOU CAN WORK ON YOUR QUESTIONS AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, I THINK WOULD PROBABLY BE THE EASIEST THING SINCE WE'RE FOCUSED ON THAT.
UM, INSTEAD OF, I THINK AT THE COUNCIL JOINT WORKSHOP, WE JUMPED AROUND A LITTLE BIT AND, AND THAT WAS NOT CONDUCIVE TO PROGRESS HOW YOU LIKE THAT.
AND YES, I'M STILL GOING BACK TO MY PROCESS FOR PROGRESS STATEMENT THAT I MADE BACK IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING TIME.
SO, UM, PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF I SAY IT 20 TIMES TODAY.
UM, THAT FIRST ARTICLE IS GENERAL PROVISIONS, WHICH GIVES YOU THE, UM, PURPOSE AND AUTHORITY OF THIS ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, MOST OF THIS IS FROM STATE LAW.
MOST OF THIS IS, IS GOES BACK TO THE ENABLING ACT FOR, FOR PLANNING AND ZONING, NOT ONLY FROM THE STATE, BUT FROM THE, UM, FROM NATIONAL AND FEDERAL THINGS WAY BACK WHEN IN THE, IN THE TWENTIES.
SO, UM, IT'S JUST WHAT DOES ZONING DO? WHAT DOES THE ZONING ORDINANCE DO? WE DO HAVE A UNIFIED ORDINANCE HERE, WHICH HAS OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, WHICH ARE THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AS WELL AS THE, UM, STORM WATER AND FLOOD AND THOSE TYPE OF, EXCUSE ME, STORM WATER AND, UM, OTHER THINGS.
SO WE'VE GOT ZONING AND EVERYTHING IN THERE, ONE ORDINANCE.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT OR ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UM, I GUESS BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR, I SHOULD, WE SHOULD, UH, LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT WHEN I WENT THROUGH THIS, I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS YESTERDAY, SO KATIE AND BRIANNA TOOK THE TIME TO TALK WITH ME THIS YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.
SO MOST OF MY 48 QUESTIONS THAT I HAD YESTERDAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED.
SO, UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, UH, THAT, THAT WE HAD A CONVERSATION OUTSIDE THIS MEETING.
HE ONLY BEAT US UP, UP A LITTLE BIT.
NO, IT WAS A GOOD, IT WAS A GOOD MEETING.
I THINK WE, UM, UM, COVERED A LOT.
SO IF YOU THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL THINGS WE CAN, WE CAN PULL OUT OF WHAT WE LEARNED YESTERDAY, THAT'LL BE GREAT TOO.
SO ARTICLE TWO IS ABOUT ZONING DISTRICTS.
IT IS, UM, WE, WE KEPT, FOR THE MOST PART THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT, THAT WE HAVE HAD FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
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DID GET RID OF, UM, ZONING DISTRICT THAT WE, UM, NEVER DIDN'T HAVE ON THE BOOKS.WE DIDN'T HAVE IT ON THE BOOKS.
WE HAVEN'T NEVER USED IT AFTER THE 18 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE.
I THINK THAT WE DON'T NEED IT.
SO, UM, AND I THINK THAT WAS
UM, WE DID MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICTS THAT IS PER THE WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD.
UM, WE'VE ALSO CLEANED UP THE MIXED USE DISTRICTS TREMENDOUSLY.
THE MIXED USE DISTRICT WAS A COMBINATION OF SOME, UH, TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN AND, AND NEW URBANISM AND A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND IT DID NOT APPLY TO ALL OF THE DIFFERENT MIXED USE WE HAVE.
SO, UM, WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT WAS THE CONSULTANTS LOOKED AT THE WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD MASTER PLAN AND CAME UP WITH THE THOUGHT OF TRANSECT ZONING.
AND I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE ARTICLE THAT I GAVE YOU FROM CLINT EDISON, UM, BUT IT DOES, IT DOES DIVE DEEP INTO WHAT TRANSECT ZONING IS AND WHY IT'S, WHY IT'S IMPORTANT.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE NEW AGE OF THAT TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN THAT, UM, GOING BACK TO THE OLD SCHOOL OF, OF HAVING THE HOUSES UP ON THE STREETS AND THE FRONT PORCHES AND THE, AND THE SENSE OF SCALE.
UM, IF YOU WANT A WALKABLE COMMUNITY, IT'S GOTTA BE AT SCALE THAT PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE WALKING IN.
UM, SO IT'S A, WHAT IT IS IS A CONCEPTUAL FRAMEWORK FOR UNDERSTANDING HOW THE SCALE OF BUILT ENVIRONMENTS CAN VARY FROM PLACE TO PLACE.
AND THAT DIAGRAM THAT I PUT UP THERE, THE LITTLE, UM, EXAMPLE SHOWS FROM THE, THE VERY RURAL AREAS, THE NATURAL ZONES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE URBAN CORE.
AND WHILE WE DON'T THINK OF WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD AS IS URBAN COMPARED TO NEW YORK CITY AND SOME OTHER PLACES, IT IS OUR URBAN CORE.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP A MAIN STREET, IF WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP, UM, THAT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY SAFE ENVIRONMENT WITH LANDSCAPING AND PARKING ON THE STREET AND THAT KIND OF SCALE, WE NEED TO LOOK TOWARDS THAT URBAN CENTER, URBAN CORE ZONES.
SO THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE, UM, PROPOSED IN HERE.
AND THERE ARE EXAMPLES THROUGHOUT ARTICLE TWO THAT SHOW YOU EXACTLY HOW THAT, HOW THAT PLAYS OUT.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON YEAH, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UM, IN THE DIALOGUE IN SECTION B WHERE IT SAYS OFFICIAL ZONING MAP, IT REFERS TO THE MAPS.
UM, IF YOU GO TO THE TOP OF THE SECOND PAGE, IT JUST SAYS EACH MAP, UM, END OF THE FIRST LINEUP THERE, WHERE DOES ONE GET THIS MAP? IF THEY, IF THEY COME UP WITH THIS BOOK, AND THIS REFERS TO A MAP, WHERE IS THE MAP? IT IS HERE.
IT'S, IT'S THE MAP, THE ZONING MAP THAT WE HAVE ONLINE.
THAT IS OUR OFFICIAL ZONING MAP.
SO THERE'S NO REFERENCE THAT TELLS THEM WHERE TO FIND THIS MAP.
SO THEY HAVE TO COME TO SOMEBODY AT THE CITY AND SAY, THE CITY IS, WHERE WOULD I FIND THIS MAP? THE CITY IS THE KEEPER OF THE OFFICIAL MAP.
SO WE PUBLISH IT AS FAR AS, UM, HAVING IT UPDATED ONLINE.
IS IT OBVIOUS WHERE TO FIND THAT ONLINE? YEP.
WE HAVE AGIS PORTAL AND, UM, OKAY.
SO YOU HAVE TO GET THROUGH IT THROUGH THE GI IS PORTAL THEN.
I HAVE, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER GONE THROUGH THE GIS PORTAL.
WELL, IT'S BEEN UPDATED VILLE UM, THE PAST SIX MONTHS WE'VE HAD UPDATED AND IT'S, IT'S VERY SIMPLE NOW.
IT'S JUST BASICALLY CINDY LIMITS AND ZONING.
SO, UM, WHEN, WHEN I FIRST STARTED IN THE PLANNING WORLD, YOU HAD TO HAVE A OFFICIAL MAP ON THE WALL OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND THAT WAS THE OFFICIAL MAP, AND YOU HAD TO KEEP IT UPDATED AND EVERYTHING.
BUT THEN TECHNOLOGY WAS JUST STARTING.
SO, UM, NOW THE OFFICIAL MAP IS, IS GENERALLY IN HOWEVER YOU, YOU STORE IT WITH YOUR GIS.
OUR NEXT ARTICLE, ARTICLE THREE IS USE REGULATION.
AM I RIGHT? AM I THE RIGHT ARTICLE? ALL RIGHT.
WHEN, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT NUMBER TWO YESTERDAY, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I HAD IN THERE THAT KATIE AND BRANDON ARE GOING TO LOOK AT AND MAYBE, UH, DEAL WITH.
WE HAD A, A, UH, SOME DISCUSSION OF STREET LIGHTING AND SOLAR APPLYING SOLAR STREET LIGHTING.
WE REALLY DON'T ADDRESS THAT IN HERE TOO MUCH.
SO THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT ENCOURAGING SOLAR LIGHTING THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BE IT PDD OR, YOU KNOW, UH, SUBDIVISION.
SO YEAH, THERE IS A LIGHTING SECTION IN A LATER ARTICLE.
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I THINK IT'S ARTICLE FOUR.UM, AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT WE, THAT WE ADD OR ADJUST IN ANY OF THE DISTRICTS IS IN KEEPING WITH THAT.
AND, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE PROVIDERS HERE, BEING DOMINION AND PALMETTO ELECTRIC TO MAKE SURE, UM, THAT THE SOLAR IS FOREFRONT.
ONE OF THE THINGS I BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST WORKSHOP WAS ALSO THE, THE FACT THAT THE LIGHT GETS REFLECTED DOWN RATHER THAN BECOMING A HOTSPOT IN THE WORLD.
THAT'S, I KNOW A LOT OF OTHER PLACES ARE DOING THAT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE LIGHT ON THE GROUND RATHER THAN IN THE SKY.
AND WHERE, WHERE IS THAT GONNA SHOW UP? WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PUT THAT INFORMATION? IT'S IN THE LIGHTING SECTION, WHICH IS, UM, AN ARTICLE FOUR.
I'M GONNA TALK, I'M GONNA TOUCH ON THAT IN JUST A MINUTE.
UM, I DID A CONSENSUS ON A MINIMUM PERCENTAGE FOR THE, UM, PAV PAVER.
ON PAGE EIGHT, UNDER PAVING YESTERDAY WE HAD DISCUSSED, UM, THAT WE PERMEABLE PAVING.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO GO LIKE 10 OR 15, WE WANTED TO PUT THAT IN THERE.
AND THAT'S FOR THE DISTRICT, I THINK DOWNTOWN EACH.
UH, IT SEEMS LIKE THE GO-TO, FOR ALL OF THE DEVELOPERS HERE IS LAGOONS AND OH, SEND IT OUT TO THE WETLANDS.
BUT I'VE, YOU'VE HEARD ME ASK BEFORE ABOUT PERMEABLE PAVING, YOU KNOW, IT HAS THE ADVANTAGE OF SLOWING DOWN THE PERCOLATION OF RAINWATER GETTING THE GROUND FIRST.
AND SO, UH, I'VE ASKED ABOUT IT AND IT ALWAYS GETS IGNORED.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT MAYBE WE OUGHT TO PUT IT IN HERE AS A REQUIREMENT RECOMMENDATION.
WELL, THERE IS A SECTION UNDER HERE IN PAVING REDUCTION OF IMPERVIOUS SERVICES USING INTERLOCKING PAVERS.
UM, BUT IT KIND OF GETS THERE.
SO THOUGH THE QUESTION WAS, DO WE PUT A PERCENTAGE IN THERE? LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW, 10%, 20% OF YOUR PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, STORAGE AREA OUGHT TO BE IMPERMEABLE SO THAT WE HAVE SOME ENCOURAGEMENT.
MORE THAN JUST THE WORD 'CAUSE NO, EVERYBODY'S IGNORED IT TO DATE, SO, MM-HMM.
SO, SO AT THIS POINT, UM, IF YOU JUST WANNA THINK ABOUT THAT, MARK IT, AND, UM, WE CAN EITHER COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TODAY OR MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO VOTE ON IT ON, UM, WEDNESDAY AT THE MEETING.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE THE REQUIREMENT IN THE COMMERCE PART, UM, MASTER PLAN THAT THE CITY DID.
BUT AGAIN, THAT ONE'S, THERE'S NO MINIMUM PERCENTAGE PUT ON IT.
SO HAVING THAT PERCENT, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF STAFF REVIEW, HAVING TO CONSIDER ONE SPACE OR, YEAH.
SO RATHER THAN US COMING UP WITH A RANDOM NUMBER, IS THERE SOMEONE WE CAN, WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU, SOMEONE, THE CONSULTANT THAT WE COULD, WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
I MEAN, A I A MAY HAVE SOMETHING OR, YEAH.
'CAUSE THOSE JUST SAYING YOU WANT 15%, THAT'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A NUMBER.
WE WENT HEAVY ON THE, UM, DIAGRAMS AND THE EXAMPLES AND THE PHOTOGRAPHS WITH THAT, AND THAT WAS, UM, VERY INTENTIONAL.
UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THOSE MAKE SENSE.
SO, UM, IF YOU, IF ANYTHING TRIGGERS YOUR CURIOSITY, LET US KNOW AS WE GET TOWARDS WEDNESDAY.
ARE WE, WE'RE IN SECTION THREE NOW WE'RE GOING TO SECTION THREE.
UM, THIS IS, UM, I THINK KATIE AND CHRIS'S GO-TO SECTION THIS ONE IN FOUR.
UM, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE, WE AS PLANNERS LEARN ABOUT OUR ORDINANCES, THE USE TABLE AND WHERE TO FIND THINGS AND HOW TO FIND THINGS AND HOW THINGS ARE DEFINED.
AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, IT'S NOT
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GONNA HAVE EVERY USE POSSIBLE THAT THERE EVER WAS BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE.WHAT WE DID WAS TAKE OUT A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE ARCHAIC, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
UM, THAT VIDEO RENTAL STORES I THINK WAS STILL IN THERE.
AND THINGS THAT JUST DON'T, WE TRIED TO MAKE 'EM A LITTLE MORE GENERIC AND, AND A LITTLE MORE, UM, TIME FRIENDLY.
UM, THEY, THEY CAN, THEY CAN LAST LONGER IN OUR ORDINANCE.
REMEMBER THROUGHOUT THIS, THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS A VERY DYNAMIC DOCUMENT.
IT CAN CHANGE ANYTIME, TEXT AMENDMENTS, ANYTHING.
JUST BECAUSE WE SAY, WELL, THE ORDINANCE SAYS, DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T BE CHANGED, BUT THE APPLI WHEN THE APPLICATION COMES IN, IN RELATION TO THAT, IS IMPORTANT FOR US.
UM, SO WE SIMPLIFIED A LOT OF, EXCUSE ME, A LOT OF THINGS.
AND, UM, TRIED TO, WE HAD PARKING STANDARDS WERE IN OUR USE TABLE BEFORE.
WE TOOK 'EM OUT, UM, VERY CONFUSING TO BE FLIPPING BACK AND FORTH FROM THE PARKING SECTION TO THE USE TABLE TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT.
UM, SO, UM, WE TOOK ALL THAT OUT.
UM, THEY DO HAVE REFERENCES TO USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS.
WE'VE TRIED TO CLEAN THIS UP BEFORE YOU'D FIND, YOU SEE A USE SPECIFIC STANDARD REFERENCE AND YOU GO TO IT AND IT WAS, INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR SIZE OF A MIXED USE BUILDING, IT WOULD BE HOW YOU'RE GONNA LOAD YOUR, UM, DUMPSTERS IN, IN INDUSTRIAL OR SOMETHING.
IT WAS, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN IT SHOULD BEEN.
SO ONE OF THE COMMENTS I HAD LAST NIGHT WAS THAT WHEN I GOT TO THE TABLE, I NEEDED A DECODER RING,
AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW 'EM TODAY.
I WON'T KNOW 'EM IN TWO WEEKS WITHOUT A DECODER RING.
SO WE ARE GONNA ADD A LEGEND TO THAT
WELL THOSE WOULD BE DEFINITIONS, RIGHT? KINDA
DO YOU WANT TO GO TO THE DEFINITIONS TO UNDERSTAND THIS TABLE TOO? BUT WE'LL ADD A, WE WE'RE GONNA ADD A LEGEND TO THE USE TABLE, SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE MM-HMM.
ONCE AGAIN, THE, THE POINT IS TO MAKE IT USER FRIENDLY.
WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY OUT IN THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO INTERPRET IT AND, AND DECIDE THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS.
BUT THEN WE WANT 'EM TO UNDERSTAND, KNOW WHERE, WHAT DIRECTION THEY'RE GOING.
AND WE CAN, WE CAN GUIDE THEM THROUGH THAT.
BESIDES ALL OF THOSE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS OR, UM, NONCONFORMING USES, TEMPORARY USES, ACCESSORY USES AND SHIPPING CONTAINERS ALL VARY.
I FEEL LIKE I'M MISSING SOMETHING.
MOBILE VENDORS AND HOME OCCUPATIONS.
HOME OCCUPATIONS IS, UM, IT'S CHANGED A LOT TOO OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE A LOT MORE ONLINE BUSINESSES AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, UM, WE ARE, WE'RE LEARNING TO, TO ADAPT TO THAT AS WELL.
UM, BUT THE WHERE FROM KATIE AND CHRIS'S PO POINT, THEY USE THE USE TABLE, THEY USE THE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS.
BUT WHEN THEY HAVE TO COME TO ME WITH SOMETHING, IT'S USUALLY BECAUSE IT'S THE NON-CONFORMING OR THE ACCESSORY OR SOME, UM, A LITTLE HIGHER LEVEL INTERPRETATION ON THAT.
UM, THOSE NON-CONFORMING USES SAVE US A LOT THAT, THAT SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE, BECAUSE, UM, THAT'S HOW WE GET PEOPLE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT WAS DONE BEFORE THE ORDINANCE, NOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, TO BRING IT UP STANDARDS IF THEY'RE DOING THINGS.
AND, UM, HAPPY TO, IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT BEFORE WEDNESDAY, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE ANY OF THOSE CHANGES, LIKE THE LEGEND.
AND ANOTHER THING THAT, UM, PEOPLE HAVE, HAVE CALLED OUT TO US JUST TO CLARIFY THINGS, IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO.
UM, EVE, HAVE YOU GOT ANYTHING? NO.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THAT GIVES US ALL A HEADACHE.
THIS IS WHY MR. BROWN'S HERE WITH US TODAY.
I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IN JUST A SECOND.
UM, IN GENERAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THERE IS DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS.
THAT'S THE, THE HEART OF ZONING, HEIGHT, BULK PLACEMENT, THAT KIND OF THING.
OPEN SPACE, WHICH WE SPEND A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME ON COUNCIL AND OTHER THINGS, AND IS VERY IMPORTANT IN OUR, TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IN OUR ENVIRONMENT.
UM, BUFFERS, I SEPARATED BUFFERS AND SCREENING.
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'CAUSE THEY REALLY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.UM, PEOPLE, ALTHOUGH AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME A BUFFER IS GOING TO SCREEN YOU A BUFFER IS JUST THAT IT BUFFERS IT, BUT IT, THE SCREENING IS, IS WHEN YOU REALLY DON'T WANNA SEE ANYTHING.
UM, PARKING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND LIGHTING, VERY IMPORTANT SECTION OF OUR ORDINANCE.
UM, AND I'M GONNA SPEAK TO THIS, I DON'T DO THIS EVERY DAY LIKE THEY DO, BUT, UM, MOST OF OUR BIG, OUR DEVELOPMENTS GO THROUGH THEIR LIGHTING PLAN WITH THEIR, UM, PROVIDER COME AT ELECTRIC OR DOMINION, TYPICALLY DO THAT FOR THEM.
UM, SO, UM, WE DO WANT TO STOP THE LIGHT POLLUTION.
I KNOW WHEN, WHEN SUN CITY ON THE, UM, NORTH SIDE VERY FIRST GOT GOING, UH, I HADN'T BEEN HERE VERY LONG.
THEY JUST STARTED BUILDING ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE.
AND, UM, THERE WAS AN EAGLE OVER THERE IN THE OKA T CROSSINGS AREA.
AND WE SPENT MANY, MANY MONTHS DEALING WITH THE LIGHT POLLUTION THAT COULD POTENTIALLY COME FROM SUN CITY AND HOW THAT WAS GOING TO, UM, BE AFFECTED.
I THINK MORE IMPORTANT IS THE COMMERCIAL AREAS.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT, MAKING SURE, I THINK SUN CITY SOLVED THE LIGHT POLLUTION.
WE JUST HAVE ALMOST NO LIGHTS.
AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THAT SITUATION.
SO, UM, THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE THAT, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF, OF GROUPS THAT WERE, WERE TRYING TO SAVE THE EAGLE.
ANYWAY,
UM, IT MIGHT HAVE ENDED UP ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
THERE'S AN EAGLE NEST ON THE SOUTH SIDE EVERY YEAR.
SO, UM,
I MIGHT INFLUENCE 'EM A LEAST
SO, UM, TO THE STORMWATER AND EROSION CONTROL, UM, SECTION.
UM, WE HAVE AN EXISTING STORMWATER ORDINANCE.
UM, IT HAS SOME HITS AND MISSES.
IT HAD SOME THINGS THAT, IT REFERRED TO SOME DOCUMENTS THAT DIDN'T EXIST.
UM, IT WAS, IT A LITTLE OLD, I DON'T IT, I DON'T THINK IT WAS ARCHAIC, BUT IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UM, AND A FEW YEARS BACK, UM, THE, SO LOCO GROUP CAME UP WITH A MANUAL.
UM, WE TALK ABOUT IT AS IF IT'S AN ORDINANCE, BUT IT'S NOT AN ORDINANCE.
IT IS A, AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? IT'S A MANUAL, UM, TO TELL JURISDICTIONS HOW, SO THERE'S CONSISTENCY IN THE, IN THE SOCO COMMUNITY, WHICH IS OUR, OUR GENERAL AREA HERE.
SO THERE IS NO, SO LOCO ORDINANCE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE.
UM, BUT I THINK BLUFFTON AND BEAUFORT COUNTY ARE THE TWO THAT HAVE ADOPTED IT.
AND NOW THAT WE HAVE OUR, OUR WONDERFUL AND TALENTED, UM, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, HE IS GOING TO BE ASSISTING, UM, US AND SOME ENGINEERS THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE COME AND, AND GIVEN US ADVICE FROM, FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVES.
SOME THAT WORK FOR THE CITY, SOME THAT WORK FOR OTHERS.
UM, BUT A NUMBER OF, OF A GOOD GROUP OF FOLKS.
UM, KATIE AND, UM, AND JOHN ARE ALSO MEETING WITH BLUFFTON, EH, IS BEAUFORT COUNTY IN THERE? OR JUST BLUFFTON? JEFF BLUFFTON, UM, EARLY THIS COMING WEEK.
UM, SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT WORKED FOR THEM IN THEIRS, WHAT DIDN'T WORK, AND GIVE A COMPARISON OF WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH TO, TO YOU AND TO COUNCIL.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE STAND IN THE WHOLE THING.
IN THE PAST, OURS HAS ALWAYS BEEN STRONGER.
OUR, OUR STORM WATER HAS ALWAYS BEEN STRONGER ON QUANTITY, MEANING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SLOW DOWN SOME OF THAT WATER AND, AND, AND, AND KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING.
BEAUFORT COUNTY AND OTHERS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN STRONGER ON QUALITY AND IT'S ONE'S NOT BETTER THAN THE OTHER.
THEY NEED TO WORK TOGETHER, I GUESS IS, IS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS A PLANNER, NOT NOT KNOWING ALL THE INTRICACIES OF, OF DEVELOPMENT AND ENGINEERING, BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.
SO, UM, THE MAYOR AND MR. SIM, UM, BACK HAD ASKED US FOR A CHART COMPARING OUR TO SO LOCOS WELL, IT WASN'T THAT SIMPLE.
AND THAT'S WHY THESE GUYS ARE EVEN GONNA FINALLY GET TOGETHER AND, AND, UM, AND DO THAT FOR US.
SO THEY WILL BE GIVING YOU THE PROS AND CONS OF, OF WHAT WE HAVE AND EVERYTHING AFTER EARLY NEXT WEEK.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THAT TOGETHER.
UM, AND WE JUST REALLY THANK MR. BROWN AND THE DEPARTMENT OF P WORKS FOR, FOR THEIR DEVICE.
I MEAN, WE'VE EVEN GOT SOME GUYS THAT HAVE BEEN HELPING OUT SRC AND, AND EVERYTHING,
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AND THAT IS A HUGE ADVA ADVANCE IN, IN OUR PROCESS AND, AND, AND HELP.UM, SO WE THANK THEM A LOT FOR THAT.
WHEN YOU HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, CAN YOU REVIEW WHAT OR ANYTHING THEY DO WITH PERMEABLE PAVING THAT ABSOLUTELY.
SO JOHN BROWN PUBLIC WORKS, UM, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, LOOKING TO FIND ANSWERS TO AS WE TALKED TO OUR NEIGHBORS OVER THERE TO THE EAST.
UM, IN ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, LIKE BRANDON HAD JUST MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE SOMEWHAT ADOPTED ALMOST THE WHOLE DESIGN MANUAL.
IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR STORMWATER, UH, ORDINANCES, IT'S PRETTY MUCH WORD FOR WORD, IF YOU WILL, FROM THE DESIGN MANUAL.
AND SO WE'RE INTERESTED TO SEE ONE, HOW THAT'S WORKING FOR 'EM.
TELL, TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN YOU GOTTA LOOK AT, AND I, I MENTIONED THIS IN, UH, IN THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD.
UM, WE ARE NOT RIGHT NOW SET UP RESOURCE WISE, STAFF WISE, TO TAKE ON THE FULL SOLO CODE DESIGN MANUAL.
WE'RE JUST NOT, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE TESTING, UH, ALL THE REVIEW WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, KATIE AND, AND, AND THESE FOLKS WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR ANSWERS TO THAT, IF YOU WILL, FROM, FROM BLUFFTON AS TO HOW THAT'S WORKING.
THEY HAVE A STAFF THAT'S JUST DEALING WITH WATERSHED, UH, AND STORMWATER AND PROJECTS THAT ARE RELATED TO THAT.
SO THEY HAVE AN ADVANTAGE THERE, UH, THAT HOPEFULLY WE CAN, WE CAN LEARN FROM, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THE PERMEABLE PAVEMENT PAVEMENT.
IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT DISCUSSION POINT THAT WE NEED TO HAVE WITH THEM.
HOW'S THAT WORKING FOR 'EM? WHAT PERCENTAGES ARE THEY USING ON THEIR DEVELOPMENTS AND SUCH? SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ONLY PLACE I HAVE EVER SEEN PERMEABLE PAVING IS AT THE HOME DEPOT LOT.
AND THAT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER.
YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T STUMBLED ACROSS SURE.
PERMEABLE PAVING IN ANYTHING THAT'S NEWER.
IF YOU GO, IF YOU GO IF BLUFFING, HUH? PETSMART AND BLUFFING, PETSMART BLUFFING.
AND ANOTHER PLACE TOO TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
UM, I RIDE MY BIKE A LOT, SO I, I SEE THESE, THESE THINGS.
UM, I LIVE OVER IN BLUFFTON, BUT I SEE THESE THINGS.
SO IT, UH, WHAT IS IT, UH, ONE 70 AS YOU GET TO THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE OR, UH, WHERE IS THAT? MAY RIVER, I GUESS.
SO, SO IF YOU'RE DRIVING, UM, TOWARDS BLUFFTON THAT WAY, AND YOU GET AT THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, YOU LOOK RIGHT OVER TO YOUR RIGHT, THERE'S A FIRE STATION JUST BEFORE THAT FIRE STATION.
THEY'VE BUILT A PARKING LOT IN THERE.
AND I WATCHED THEM AS, AS THEY WERE BUILDING THAT.
AND IT'S, YOU, IT'S PERMEABLE, ESSENTIALLY.
THEY GOT THE GRID PUT IN PLACE FILLED WITH GRAVEL THAT ALLOWS THE WATER TO FLOW DOWN, KEEPS THE GRAVEL IN PLACE.
THAT'S WHAT THE GRID'S THERE FOR.
UM, IT'S A GREAT THING TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL HERE IN THIS, THIS CITY TOO.
BURN CHURCH DISTILLERY DID THAT TOO.
PART OF IT'S PAVED AND PART OF IT'S THE, UH, THE LATTICE WITH THE GRAVEL IN IT.
AS, AS KATIE MENTIONED, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW AT COMMERCE PARK.
CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE DEVELOPER, BUT THEY, THEY, THEY ARE INDEED, UM, INCORPORATING, UH, SOME PAVEMENT THAT'S PERMEABLE OUT THERE.
AND ONE PLACE WE HAVE BEEN USING IT WITH SRC IS ALSO FOR, UM, FIRE TURNAROUNDS AND EVERYTHING, SO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BUILT INTO A GREEN SPACE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT CAN HANDLE THE WEIGHT OF THOSE FIRE TRUCKS AND WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT PAVEMENT.
SO WE HAVE BEEN PRACTICING A LITTLE BIT OF IT, BUT WE WANNA ADVANCE THAT, OBVIOUSLY.
SO, UM, JUST, UH, ANOTHER POINT, UM, TO MAKE HERE IS, UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STORMWATER AND SUCH, UH, I BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE LAST MEETING TOO.
UM, I THINK OUR DEVELOPMENTS THERE TO THE NORTH OF SUN CITY, THE, UH, MARGARITAVILLE AND SUCH, UM, THEIR STORMWATER PLANS ARE PRETTY GOOD.
THEY, THEY CONTROL THEIR STORMWATER UP THERE FAIRLY WELL.
UM, THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS RIGHT HERE IN THE CENTER PART OF THE CITY, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A HUGE ISSUE.
AND THAT'S WHERE MY FOLKS ARE FOCUSED RIGHT NOW, IS OPENING UP THOSE, THOSE CHANNELS SO THAT WE CAN GET THE WATER FLOW TO FLOW.
AND AGAIN, UH, BRANDON SAID IT PERFECTLY, IT'S ALL ABOUT QUANTITY FOR US RIGHT NOW.
IT'S GETTING THE WATER WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO.
WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, BEAUFORT ISS MORE ON THE, THE QUALITY SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS THE TESTING PIECE THAT WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S THAT SKILLS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE INTO THE CITY TO REALLY MAKE THIS WORK.
NOW, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, THE MS FOUR IS COMING FOR HARDY V.
WE ARE GOING TO BE AN MS FOUR EVENTUALLY ONCE THE EPA PULLS THE TRIGGER ON THAT.
AND THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE US TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT, UH, UNTIL WE GET TO THAT POINT, UM, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO JUSTIFY GETTING THAT SKILLSET IN HERE.
WE HAVE SO MANY OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF FIRST, SO, OKAY.
YEAH, IT'S, WELL, I THINK WHAT I, ONE THING I WAS THINKING AND THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT IN THIS, THE DOWNTOWN AREA OF THE CITY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LAGOONS.
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SO YOU'VE GOTTA GET THAT WATER AWAY FROM YES.THE CITY TO SOME WATER SOURCE OR DITCH OR WHATEVER.
WE, WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE SOME, UH, RETENTION AREAS.
UH, THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS, IS YOU'VE GOT THE PIPING NETWORK.
OKAY? SO, UM, THAT STORM WATER WILL FLOW INTO THAT POND AND THEN IT SHOULD WEER OUT VIA SOME SORT OF STRUCTURE THAT WILL GET IT INTO THE PIPING SYSTEM.
PROBLEM WITH THAT WE'RE FINDING IS OUR PIPING SYSTEM'S ALL CLOGGED UP.
SO WE'VE GOTTA GET OUT THERE AND CLEAN THAT OUT.
I CAN TAKE YOU DOWN MAIN STREET RIGHT NOW.
PULL UP SOME MANHOLES AND YOU'LL SEE THE GUNK THAT'S BUILT UP IN THERE.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK, MAINTENANCE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND THAT'S WHERE MY FOCUS OR FOCUS RIGHT NOW.
SO HAVE A POND DOWN BY THE FIRE STATION TOO.
I'M SORRY, THE POND DOWN BY THE FIRE STATION.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT ONE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE INCREASED WITH, UH, THE VET PARK COMING ONLINE AND, AND SUCH.
WE HAVE ONE DOWN BY PUBLIC WORKS THAT'S, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S DOING WHAT IT SHOULD BE DOING.
UH, AND THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU HAVE DANIEL'S POND.
DANIEL'S POND, IS THAT RIGHT? DANIEL'S POND JUST DOWN THE ROAD HERE.
THAT'S ALSO PROVIDING THAT RETENTION FOR US.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S THE, IT'S THE PIPE NETWORK THAT GOES BEYOND THAT.
SO DOWNSTREAM WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SO VERY DIFFERENT THAN LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TYPE OF THING, MEANING THE LAST TIME WE UPDATED THE ORDINANCE, WE'VE GOT PROFESSIONALS, WE'VE GOT RESOURCES THAT WE DID NOT HAVE BEFORE.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A PLUS.
WE HAVE TO 'CAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF INCREASE IN OUR, OUR VOLUME OF WORK AND DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, SO OVERALL THAT'S EROSION AND STORMWATER CONTROL.
DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS FOR YOU RIGHT NOW, BUT WE ARE RAPIDLY WORKING ON THAT ALSO IN OKAY.
I GUESS THAT'S THE NEXT, WHAT DID I, DID I, NO, THERE WAS ONE MORE THAT, UM, MR. SIPPEL BROUGHT UP YESTERDAY, UM, ABOUT THAT FOR DISCUSSION ON PAGE FIVE.
UM, THAT WAS VISIBILITY AT STREET INTERSECTIONS.
UM, JUST WANTED TO GET THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S FEELINGS ON IF, UM, THE THREE FOOT HEIGHT IS TOO HIGH.
SO HERE'S KIND OF WHERE I AM ON THAT.
IF I'M DRIVING AROUND, THERE ARE LOTS OF PLACES I GET TO THAT HAVE NICE LANDSCAPING, BUT IF I PULL UP TO AN INTERSECTION, I CAN'T SEE OVER THE LANDSCAPING.
AND THREE FEET IS PROBABLY TOO HIGH IF YOU'RE SITTING IN A SEDAN.
IF YOU'RE IN A TRUCK, IT'S FINE.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW HOW WE ADDRESSED THAT.
DO WE PULL THE LANDSCAPING BACK SOME DISTANCE FROM INTERSECTIONS? DO WE MAKE IT STUBBIER? BUT IT, IT'S A SAFETY HAZARD AND OFTEN, AND THERE ARE TIMES I HAVE TO PULL OUT FAR ENOUGH INTO AN INTERSECTION TO SEE AROUND IT THAT, THAT MY FRONT BUMPER IS OUT IN THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
I'M, I'M GONNA GIVE 2 CENTS AND THAT'S ALL I GOT IS 2 CENTS.
BUT, UM, I, I THINK, AND THIS IS BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED OVER ON FRONTAGE RED AT SCHUMACHER, UH, BY SCHUMACHER HOMES THAT WAS REQUIRED LANDSCAPING.
THEY PUT IT IN, NOBODY COULD SEE IT DIDN'T MATTER WHAT KIND OF CAR, IT DIDN'T MATTER HOW LOW WE GOT IT.
I THINK THAT YOUR FIRST STATEMENT OF, OF PUSHING IT BACK, UM, AND NOT HAVING YOU, YOU STILL HAVE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT HAS TO BE LOGICAL.
UM, I THINK PUSHING IT BACK IS GONNA BE THE ONLY WAY IT'S GONNA BE SAFE.
'CAUSE YOU, YOU CAN'T CONTROL HOW FAST IT GROWS.
AND SOME PLANTS GROW AROUND HERE A LOT MORE THAN THEY WOULD IN OTHER AREAS.
YOU COULD HAVE A PLANT THAT GROWS THREE FEET A YEAR AROUND HERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I HOPE THAT STAFF, UH, UH, AGREES.
BUT, UM, THAT IS A, A CASE POINT RIGHT HERE IN DOWNTOWN THAT WE SPENT HOURS ON SEXUALLY LOOKING AT.
AND THAT IS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.
SEE VISIBILITY DOT OH, IT'S, UH, STARTS THE LAST SENTENCE ON PAGE FOUR AND THEN GOES OVER TO PAGE FIVE.
YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T LANDSCAPING PER SE, BUT THERE ARE SOME INTERSECTIONS IN THIS CITY WHERE WHETHER, I DON'T CARE WHETHER IT'S DOMINION OR PALMETTO ELECTRIC, THEY HAVE THEIR BIG GREEN JUNCTION BOXES.
AND THEY'RE HARD TO SEE BY ALSO CONTROL.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN CONTROL IT, BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO IT.
WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT PUT WELL, YEAH, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT COMES UP IN AN SRC BECAUSE THEY DO THAT.
OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL WHERE THEY
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PUT THINGS MM-HMM.AND THEY'RE GONNA PUT THEIR, THEIR DISTRIBUTION BOXES AND TRANSFORMERS, WHICH IS THE MOST CONVENIENT FOR THE UNDERGROUND LINES TO MINIMIZE THE LENGTH OF THE LINES.
BUT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT AND TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND, AND GET WITH, UM, OTHERS ON THAT ONE.
IT WAS JUST A COMMENT BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT MORE THAN ONE.
UM, SO, SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT PUSHBACK A CERTAIN DISTANCE.
UH, THE OTHER THING I HAD IN THAT SECTION THAT WE LEFT AS COMMON OPEN WAS JUST CONFUSION ON MY PART.
ON PAGE EIGHT OF ONE E IT TALKS ABOUT PROTECTION OF SPECIMEN TREES DURING CONSTRUCTION.
AND THAT MATH THERE DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT, I, IT SAYS BARRICADE UNDISTURBED AREA SHALL BE ONE AND A HALF INCHES TIMES THE, UH, DIAMETER OF THE TREE.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT AN EIGHT INCH TREE, YOU JUST HAVE TO STAY 12 INCHES AWAY FROM IT FOR DISTURBANCE.
AND THAT SEEMED TO ME IT WAS OUGHT TO BE SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE TREE CANOPY OR, SO YOU'RE NOT DEFINED BY THE TREE CANOPY BECAUSE THE ROOTS OF THE TREE GO OUT.
UM, WE HAVE A STAFF ARBORIST THAT'S GONNA HELP THEM.
UM, THIS SECTION WAS WRITTEN BY AN ARBORIST THAT'S ON STAFF.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION BEFORE WEDNESDAY FROM THEM.
UM, BACK TO THE VISIBILITY, UM, IN, UH, THE DOUBLE I ONE, IT SAYS VISIBILITY OF THE PRIVATE DRIVE ENTRANCE.
YOU SAY THERE SHALL BE NO IMPEDIMENT TO VISIBILITY.
WHY CAN'T THAT JUST BE THE WORDING FOR I IT, SO WHEN YOU GET INTO STAFF REVIEW, UM, AND WELL, AND PRIVATE RESIDENCE AS WELL, UM, WE KIND OF NEED A, A NUMBER BECAUSE IT COULD, WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY, IT COULD LOOK GOOD ON PAPER.
AND THEN YOU GET OUT THERE AND YOU SEE WHERE DOT PUT THE STOP BAR COMPARED TO WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE ACTUALLY IS.
AND SO I FEEL LIKE WE NEED A, A HARDER NUMBER TO KIND OF HELP STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE HAVE SOME TEETH TO IT.
SO YOU'LL HAVE SOMETHING ON THAT TUESDAY, I GUESS.
AND THEY'RE GONNA ADD A, UM, SOMETHING IN THE DEFINITIONS ABOUT WHAT A SPECIMEN TREE IS.
UM, SO I THOUGHT WE DID DEFINE WHAT A SPECIMEN TREE IS.
WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH AND, AND CHECK ALL DEFINITIONS AND, AND ANY WORDS THAT PEOPLE HAVE ASKED US ABOUT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT, AND IN, IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD SOME INCONSISTENCIES OR CO CONTRADICTIONS AND THE TEXT SAYS ONE THING AND THE DEFINITION SAYS ANOTHER THING.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT WAS ALL CLEANED UP AS WELL.
UM, OH, AND I FORGOT TO MENTION TOO, I SHOULD HAVE LED WITH THIS, THE CITY ATTORNEY IS REVIEWING THIS AT THE SAME TIME.
WE DON'T HAVE HER EDITS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT SHE IS GOING TO BE, UM, SHE IS HAS DI DIVIN
SHE'S GONNA HAVE TO DO A DEEP DIVE THIS WEEKEND THEN.
YEAH, SHE IS, SHE'S DOING A LOT OF THINGS, UM, TO, TO HELP US MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW.
SO, UM, SUBDIVISION TO DESIGN AND IMPROVEMENTS IS THE NEXT SECTION.
UM, THAT IS PRETTY MUCH CUT AND DRY.
UM, HOW DO YOU SUBDIVIDE PROPERTY? WHAT ARE THE STANDARDS? UM, A GOOD BIT OF IT'S FROM STATE LAW.
A GOOD BIT OF IT'S FROM ENGINEERING AND PRACTICES.
THE IMPORTANT THING HERE FOR US, AND AS YOU, IF YOU WATCHED LAST NIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING AND, AND MR. SIPPEL, YOU WERE QUOTED AS WELL AS I'M SURE IT WAS IN VAIN.
AND WE ALSO, THE MAYOR DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO KNOW HOW MUCH WE TALKED ABOUT SIDEWALKS YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.
UM, BUT HE SAID, UH, WE, UM, DON'T REPEAT THOSE MISTAKES.
I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR EXACT WORDING ON THAT.
BUT, UM, HE WAS ASKING FOR SIDEWALKS SIMILARLY TO WHAT YOU HAD STATED BEFORE AT PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, SO HE WAS, I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THAT.
I, I TOLD KATIE, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE EVER TOLD HER THAT STORY BEFORE, BUT WHEN I FIRST STARTED AND I WAS DOING THE SRC STUFF, THE, UM, AND ENGINEERS REFERRED ME TO ME AS THE SIDEWALK NAZI.
AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT, BUT I WAS ALL ABOUT SIDEWALKS.
UM, AND ALL THE REASONS THAT YOU COULDN'T HAVE SIDEWALKS EVERYWHERE.
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UM, I'M GLAD WE'VE COME FULL CIRCLE AND WE'RE BACK THERE AGAIN.AND, AND, UM, THE ORDINANCE DOES RECOMMEND IT.
THE ORDINANCE CALLS FOR IT IN CERTAIN PLACES.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, AND AND, AND WE WANT IT TO BE A LOGICAL STATEMENT TOO.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO SAY THAT THERE HAS TO BE A SIDEWALK EVERYWHERE.
WE DON'T WANT SIDEWALKS TO NOWHERE, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO THERE TO BE SIDEWALKS AT LEAST ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD IN, IN MOST PLACES.
UM, ME, MY COMMENT WAS I DON'T WANT ONE OF THESE DEVELOPERS ON APDD TO COME THUMB THEIR NOSE AT US, WHICH, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WE HAD SOMEBODY WHO WAS PRETTY BELLIGERENT IN HERE.
UH, AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A, A BALL BAT TO APPLY, UH, ENCOURAGEMENT WITH.
UM, THAT'S THE BIG THING I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR SIDEWALKS, UM, FOR SUBDIVISION IS THE SIDEWALKS AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT SUBDIVISION SECTION IS UP TO DATE WITH, WITH, WITH ALL CODES AND, AND PRACTICES AND EVERYTHING.
WITH THE AVERAGE AGE IN VILLE, INCREASING SIDEWALKS SHOULD NOT BE A QUESTION.
AND SO THE DEVELOPER'S ONLY GONNA DO WHAT YOU FORCE HIM TO DO.
AND LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE NOT ALTRUISTIC.
LIKE I SAID THE OTHER DAY, IF IT'S NOT IN WRITING, IT DON'T HAPPEN.
SO WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE IT IN WRITING IN THE COMP PLAN NOW, SO WE CAN PUT IT IN WRITING IN HERE.
WE HAVE COME, WE'VE MADE STRIDES.
SO, UM, THE NEXT SECTION, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW BODIES, CAN I BACK UP A SECOND? OH, YES SIR.
UM, WHAT ARE CONTROL MONUMENTS, WHAT WOULD THOSE BE? CONTROL MONUMENTS? IT, IT'S, UH, ARE YOU 5.2 D UH, NUMBER ONE TALKS ABOUT CONTROL MONUMENTS.
THOSE ARE THE LITTLE THINGS YOU SEE IN YARDS.
LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SHUTOFFS FOR WATER AND SEWER OR WATER CONCRETE, A CONCRETE PILLAR THAT SHOWS THAT THERE'S WATER, THERE'S ELECTRIC, OR IT'S THE BOUNDARY LOT.
YOUR LOT LINE AND THIS LITTLE, YEAH.
TYPICAL LITTLE, I DON'T KNOW, FOUR INCH, FIVE INCH CONCRETE POSTS.
MAYBE A GRADE ABOUT FOUR BY FOURS IS USUALLY WHAT THEY, HUH.
THEY LOOKED THERE ABOUT FOUR BY FOUR.
UM, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT ANY OF THOSE THINGS ARE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD.
BECAUSE IT SAYS THIS, UH, SOMEHOW THAT, THAT SECTION DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
WHERE WHERE ARE YOU AT SPECIFICALLY? I HAVE 5.2.
5.2 BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
UM, ON THE, THE LANDSCAPING ON TREE REPLACEMENT, IT SAYS HARDWOODS WILL NOT BE REPLACED BY PALM TREES.
SO WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN, CAN WE INQUIRE FROM HIM WHAT HE PLANS TO PUT IN FOR TREES? WAIT, WAIT.
WE DO THAT IN, IN, IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS.
THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASK FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE.
AND WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING, I THINK IS A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT CAN BE OTHER OH.
UH, WE'RE NO TOTAL, TOTAL DISREGARD.
SO IF THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DO THAT, THEY, IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE GIVE YOU A PERCENTAGE AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE WRITTEN INTO THE PDD.
IF IT'S NOT WRITTEN INTO THE PDD, THEN THEY HAVE TO GO BY WHAT'S IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS STRICTLY JUST HARDWOODS.
IT WASN'T WRITTEN LIKE IT WAS WRITTEN A LOT DIFFERENTLY.
AND THAT WAS A VERY OLD PD D 15 YEARS AGO.
ANY, ANY NEW PDDS, THEY HAVE TO GIVE YOU A PERCENTAGE 'CAUSE WE ARE REQUIRING IT.
SO THE ONE THAT WE JUST TURNED BACK MM-HMM.
I DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
IT HAD A PERCENTAGE OF FLOWERING TREES, PERCENTAGE OF PALMS, AND THEN THE REST WOULD BE REQUIRED.
SO I KNOW IT'S, SO THEY HAD IT, THEY HAD IT WRITTEN LIKE THE ONE YOU'RE REFERRING TO AND WE HAD THEM ADJUST IT.
SO IF WE HAVE A, A HARDWOOD TREE REQUIREMENT, RIGHT.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT UP A BUNCH OF PALM TREES,
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THEY SHOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET THE HARDWOOD REQUIREMENT.AND ANY OF THE PALM TREES JUST END UP BEING EXTRAS.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKINGS HOW STRAIGHT ZONING PROPERTIES ARE DONE.
AND THE PDDS, IF THEY WRITE THE ABILITY TO ADJUST, THEN THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU AND COUNSEL REVIEW TO SEE IF THAT SHOULD BE APPROVED.
UM, BUT IF IT'S LIKE A GENERAL COMMERCIAL LOT, YES.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE X AMOUNT OF HARDWOODS AND THEN IF THEY WANT PALMS, THAT'S EXTRA LANDSCAPING.
SO FROM THIS POINT ON, NOT UNTIL IT'S ADOPTED, NOT UNTIL THIS ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED, BUT WE ARE ENCOURAGING IT AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT ONE WE MADE IT HAPPEN, BUT FROM THIS POINT ON WE CAN, WE CAN QUESTION THE DEVELOPERS AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS IN A NEW PDD IN NEW YEAH.
IF IT'S AN EXISTING PDD, THEY HAVE THEIR ZONING INPUT, THEY HAVE THEIR RIGHTS.
YOU CAN ASK THEM IF THEY WANT.
SEE, ONE OF MY PET PEEVES IS WE'RE SUBDIVISIONS AND STUFF.
WE'RE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE.
AND IT'S LIKE, I'D LOVE TO SEE THOSE SAME, SAME THINGS IN THE DEFINITION OF WHAT HAS TO BE IN YOUR PD DMM TOLD WE CAN'T DO THAT.
WE CAN ONLY ENCOURAGE, WHICH IS FRUSTRATING IN THE PDDS OR YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU, YOU DID AND, AND, AND TURN IT DOWN OR RECOMMEND COUNCIL TURN.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND, BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME THEY SAY, WELL, MY PDD DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I SEE SOME OF THESE THINGS.
THAT'S AS THE ULTIMATE, YOU KNOW, RESPONSE.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
AND WE HAD DIDN'T HAVE, WHEN WE HAD THAT, THOSE PDDS ORIGINALLY, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW EITHER.
AND WE ARE BOUND BY NOW REVIEWING THINGS BASED ON WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN YOUR, YOUR WRITE UP.
SO THERE ARE A LOT MORE CHECKS AND BALANCES NOW THAN THERE WERE 15 YEARS.
BUT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T OPEN APD WE CAN'T CHANGE APDD BLAH BLAH, BLAH CAPACITY COUNCIL IF.
BUT IF, BUT IF THE, BUT IF, IF THEY COME IN TO MODIFY IT, THEN WE CAN, THEY'VE CRACKED THE DOOR OPEN AND THEN YOU CAN SHOVE YOUR WAY THROUGH, THEN YOU, THEN YOU'RE AT NEGOTIATION.
BUT MARK, I THINK YOU RAISED A GREAT POINT THERE.
AND YOU KNOW, THE EXAMPLE THAT, THAT BRIANNA GAVE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY WRITE INTO APDD AND THEY'RE, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT YOU DO COUNT THE PALM TREES OR, OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT WHEN, YOU KNOW, IN THIS SECTION WE TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY NEED TO SUBMIT TO US.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US HAVE COPIES OF ANY PDD, WHETHER IT'S A PROPOSED PDD OR AN EXISTING ONE.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT IT DOES CHANGE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR MASTER PLANS, YOU MEAN? WHAT'S THAT? YOU MEAN FOR MASTER PLANS? YOU WANT A COPY OF THE PDD TOO? ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, AND I WOULD SAY WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY SEE THE PDD IF THERE ARE ANY DEEDED RESTRICTIONS OR COVENANTS THAT WOULD AFFECT THIS, WE SHOULD SEE THAT SHE USUALLY CAN'T DO DEEDED RESTRICTIONS OR COVENANTS.
WHY CAN'T WE LOOK AT THEM FOR OUR PUBLIC RECORD? WELL, YOU CAN LOOK AT 'EM.
WE CAN'T PROVIDE, WE DON'T PROVIDE THEM TO YOU WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY WE CAN'T MM-HMM.
'CAUSE I WAS MR. FOREMAN, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY AND I'M NOT GONNA PLAY THAT.
BUT I KNOW FROM, FROM, FROM BEING IN THIS BUSINESS FOR, FOR ALMOST 28 YEARS, THAT, THAT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CONSIDER MEANING STAFF, THE CITY CONSIDERS AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
SO YEAH, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, UH, ASKING IF WE CHANGE, REVIEW OR EVEN THINK ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE CONSIDERED.
I'M, I'M MERELY SAYING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THINGS.
FORGET THE DEEDED FOR REFERENCE.
FORGET THE DEEDED, THE PD DD AND ANYTHING THAT IS GOING THAT IS COMING, WE CAN, BEFORE COUNCIL, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.
OR ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE BEFORE COUNCIL.
IT'S HAPPENED NUMEROUS TIMES TO, USUALLY ONE OF THE TWO ENGINEERS HERE, THEY ASK A QUESTION FOR SOMETHING THAT ISN'T, DOESN'T EXIST FOR US.
AND THE ANSWER IS, WELL, WE'LL HAVE IT BY THE TIME IT COMES BEFORE COUNCIL.
AND THE REASON I THINK WE SHOULD NOT DO THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE TAKE OUR RESPONSIBILITY SERIOUSLY, WE ARE A RECOMME BODY FOR COUNSEL.
AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO TRY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN WE DON'T SEE WHAT THEY SAY.
SO, I MEAN, THERE'S ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDIES, UH, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU CALL 'EM.
I THINK YOU CALL 'EM SOMETHING ELSE.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO, UM, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT NO, I LIKE IN THAT, IN THIS SECTION, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT WRITTEN IN IT.
THE PDS, IT'S, IT'S THERE, IT'S ALREADY WRITTEN IN AS A APPLICATION REQUIREMENT.
SO IT, IT, IF IT'S NOT IN YOUR PACKET,
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IF YOU WANT TO LABEL IT UNTIL IT'S AVAILABLE, THAT'S, THAT'S AND YOUR RIGHT TO DO THAT.I, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S ON THAT WEBSITE AND, AND SO THAT THERE'S FULL ACCESS TO EVERYTHING AT ALL TIMES.
WELL, MY, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE DO WRITE IT INTO THE CODE, THAT PART OF WHAT'S REQUIRED IS WE WILL, WE WILL, WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S THERE, PDD AND, AND ANYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED FOR COUNSEL.
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE PDDS.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PART OF EVERY APPLICATION, UM, A WHOLE SET OF THE PD D BUT WE ARE KEEPING THE WEBSITE UPDATED AND EVERYTHING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU CAN GO IF YOU NEED TO REFERENCE SOMETHING.
WELL, LET ME SAY I, FOR MYSELF, I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO SEE, I'D LIKE TO SEE US GET THEM, BUT FOR MYSELF, I WOULD BE SATISFIED IF, IF STAFF WOULD MERELY GIVE US A SUMMARY, A LIST OF EVERYTHING IN THE PD DD THAT'S LIKELY TO AFFECT SOMETHING.
SO IN OUR STAFF REPORTS, WE, WE ANALYZE WHETHER OR NOT IT MEETS THE PD DD SO WE DO DISCUSS LIKE THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS, THIS AND THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE GIVING YOU AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO CONTINUE TO BEEF UP THOSE ANALYSIS SECTIONS.
UM, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO IN OUR STAFF REPORTS WHEN WE GET THAT TO YOU IS SHOW YOU HOW IT COMPLIES OR HOW IT DOESN'T.
BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY, WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THE PDDS.
IF YOU WANT A HARD COPY OF EVERYONE, WE'LL GIVE YOU A HARD COPY OF THEM.
BUT THAT'S A LOT OF BINDERS FOR YOU,
WELL, ALL I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT I, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN IT AFFECTS SOMETHING, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT, IF IT SAYS IN THERE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO MEET THE TREE REQUIREMENT, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD KNOW THAT AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DISCOVER BY ASKING.
WE SHOULD KNOW THAT IN ADVANCE.
EACH PDDI CAN TELL YOU FROM OUR DAY-TO-DAY EXPERIENCE ON EVERY APPLICATION WE RECEIVE, EVEN WHEN WE GO TO SRC, EVERY PDD IS WRITTEN DIFFERENTLY.
SO THEY, WE WILL LOOK INTO THE BEST OPTIONS FOR THIS IF AND WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH.
IF, IF YOU COULD PROVIDE A HARD COPY, AND I'M NOT SAYING TOMORROW, BUT OVER, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF BINDERS THAT I DON'T MIND.
UH, AND THEN, AND THEN SPEAK FOR YOURSELF.
SOME PEOPLE COMPLIANCE ARE, I TELL YOU, DON'T GIVE THEM TO ME ALL AT ONCE.
THAT'S WHAT, WHAT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I THINK IF WE HAD A HARD COPY, AND THEN AS YOU GET AN APPLICATION THAT'S COMING TO US SAY, YOU KNOW, CHECK THESE SECTIONS, THAT WOULD HELP.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
WE'LL FIGURE, WELL, WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO, TO HANDLE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA WRITE IT EVERY, WE DON'T WANNA WRITE THE EXACT DETAIL OF HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THAT IN THE ORDINANCE, BECAUSE THEN THE, THAT OPENS YOU UP FOR TIES YOUR HANDS.
AND, AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU THE FULL BENEFIT OF OUR KNOWLEDGE AND OUR EXPERTISE TOO.
SO, UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE IN, IN THERE SIMILAR STANDARDS TO WHAT WE PRACTICING, BUT GIVE YOU YOU A FULL BREADTH OF, OF INFORMATION.
SO JEFF, IN THE, IN THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, AS THEY SEND SOMETHING TO US, IF THERE'S A, I'LL CALL IT A RESOURCE DOCUMENT THAT THEY SPEAK TO, THEN THAT'S WHEN I WOULD THINK WE WANT TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE SAME THING FOR OUR EDUCATION.
I RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS THAT PROBABLY MOST TIMES IT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL MATERIAL THAT WON'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
BUT, BUT, BUT WHEN IT DOES, IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT I, I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS TIMES WHEN, UH, DURING THE COURSE OF DISCUSSION WITH A DEVELOPER IT ARISES THAT, THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO MEET A PARTICULAR STANDARD OR WHATEVER THAT THAT IS, I'LL CALL THEM A NORMAL STANDARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT, THAT IS, I MEAN, I HAVE TO SAY TO A LARGE PART, THE POINT OF THE PDD, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT, THAT I DON'T LIKE.
BUT, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A CONTRACT AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T, UH, VIOLATE A CONTRACT AND, AND NEITHER CAN CITY COUNCIL.
BUT THAT THE POINT IS, IF WE'RE ADOPTING THESE CONTRACTS AND IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT FOR A 25 YEAR PERIOD OF TIME, 35, WELL, I WOULDN'T DO IT FOR EITHER 25 OR 35 OR FOR ME, BUT, UM, YEAH, I KNOW NOT OUR CHOICE.
WELL, IT'S THE CITY'S CHOICE, BUT, BUT, UM, NO, THE STATE DICTATES IT.
IF YOU READ THE LAW, IT DOES NOT.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I CAN HELP YOU SAY.
THE LAW SAYS IF YOU ARE OVER X NUMBER OF ACREAGE THAT THE CONTRACT CAN BE UP TO, BUT NOT TO EXCEED 35 YEARS.
WELL, UP FIVE YEARS IS UP TO, BUT DOES NOT EXCEED 35 YEARS.
ONE YEAR IS UP TO, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE LAW, WE CAN'T VIOLATE THE LAW.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE LAW SAYS.
AND, UM, BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS.
WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
I, I'M MERELY SAYING THAT IT DOES AFFECT
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OUR CONSIDERATION OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, PUBLIC HEALTH, PUBLIC SAFETY, GENERAL WELFARE.AND I THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN WAY TOO MANY TIMES THAT WE'VE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT EITHER.
WELL, IN THE COURSE OF THE MEETING WHEN, WHEN SOMEBODY IS ASKING QUESTIONS, WE WILL, WE WILL WORK ON, ON MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS CLEAR IN THE, IN THE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS, AND HERE'S WHAT I THINK WHAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES, I MEAN, THE WAY THAT, THAT THIS, THAT THIS WOULD REALLY AFFECT US GO FOR IT.
IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D FIND SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE TO DO.
AND I, I'LL I'LL CALL IT THE, UH, THE STEVE TVA RULE HERE.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT IN WRITING, WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WOULD LOOK DIFFERENTLY AT SOME OTHER THINGS.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC SAFETY OF THE ROADS, TURNAROUND AREAS AND THOSE BECAUSE OF SOMETHING ELSE.
AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IS WITHIN OUR BAIL WE TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY THIS IS NOT SAFE.
SO IN ANY, IN ANY EVENT, THAT'S WHY I, THAT'S WHY I THINK WE SHOULD SEE THAT AND EVERY, ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA COME BEFORE COUNCIL, THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THERE'S SOME, SOMETHING COMES UP, COULD BE A TRAFFIC STUDY, COULD BE A, THAT THE CULTURAL STUDY, WHATEVER.
AND THE ANSWER IS WE, THAT ISN'T DONE YET, BUT IT WILL BE BEFORE IT GETS TO COUNCIL.
UM, AND, AND WE WILL, WE WILL DO THAT AS, AS BEST WE CAN.
THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CANNOT REQUIRE THEM TO SPEND MONEY ON UNTIL A CERTAIN POINT IN THE, IN THE PROCESS, BUT WE WILL AS MUCH AS WE CAN, WE WILL WORK ON THAT FOR YOU.
THAT I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIMITATION IS THERE, BUT YOU, YOU THINK ABOUT THE SITUATION THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT PUTS US IN.
WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON SOME, BUT NOT ALL THE MATERIAL THAT, THAT ARE, THAT THE BODY THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO IS GONNA TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND A LOT OF IT'S IS GONNA BE, IS GONNA BE FILTERED THROUGH STAFF AND WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN.
THAT IS OF INTEREST TO US OR MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO US, DOESN'T HAPPEN UNTIL IT'S OUT OF OUR HANDS.
I ASKED THE OTHER DAY, OR SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS DOCUMENT ABOUT FIRE HYDRANTS.
WE'VE SEEN IT ON SOME APPLICATIONS, NOT ON OTHERS, AND IT'S ALL, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT MAY, IT ISN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRED TO BE DEVELOPED UNTIL THEY GET READY TO SUBMIT PLANS FOR CONSTRUCTION.
BUT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WILL HAVE NO, YOU'RE I'M SAYING ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL WILL HAVE SINCE WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO THEM BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE IN SECTION SIX NOW.
I DON'T HAVE SECTION ONE IN MY BINDER.
HUH? I SENT AN EMAIL SAYING IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE, THEY WERE ALL MIXED UP AND IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE, SO THEN LEMME KNOW.
OH, YOU SAID WE COULD LET YOU KNOW THIS MORNING.
NOW YOU CAN HAVE AN ARTICLE ONE.
UM, IF YOU MUST, WE ALSO HAVE YOUR PACKETS FOR IN THE AFTERNOON.
UM, THIS IS ONCE AGAIN PRETTY CUT AND DRY FROM STATE STATE LAW ON TO WHO HAS WHAT RIGHTS AND WHO DOES WHAT.
AND WE DID, IS THIS WHERE WE ADDED SRC? WE, WELL, WE ADDED SOME SRC PROCEDURES THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AS GENERAL PRACTICE AND WE WANTED TO DOCUMENT THEM AND MAKE SO THAT WE CAN, UM, MAKE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE ENFORCEABLE WE ARE GOING TO MOVE THAT A LITTLE LATER IN THE ARTICLE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S CONFUSING BEING THAT IT, IT'S, WE, IT WAS INSERTED BEFORE THE STUFF THAT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE THAT AFTER THE MASTER PLAN SO THAT IT'S MORE, UM, IT'S MORE ORGANIZED IN THERE.
BUT YES, WE DID ADD OUR, UM, SRC PROCEDURES WITH OUR, UM, PROCESSES THAT WE HAVE KIND OF JUST BEEN IMPLEMENTING IT AS GOOD PRACTICE PRESCRIPTIVE AND I PERSPECTIVE WE'RE GONNA MAKE THEM IN THE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT WHAT'S REQUIRED.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS CAUGHT IT, BUT ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE SEVEN, THERE'S A RESPONSIBILITY WE HAVE IN FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS,
AND I'M NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO, AND I DOUBT, I DOUBT YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING THAT IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
SO IT'S IN THE LAW,
I IF, IF WE HAVE CERTAIN DOCUMENTS AND AND PROCEDURES IN PLACE, WE DO NOT, UM, AT THIS TIME.
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HAS A VERY INTENSIVE LIST OF THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO TO, TO, TO HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND OTHERS REVIEW THAT.UM, WE ARE HANDLING IT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
IT'S GOING THROUGH MANAGEMENT AND EVERYTHING.
SO, UM, I DON'T FORESEE THAT CHANGING SOON 'CAUSE WE HAVE OTHER THINGS GOING ON.
I WONDER IF, UH, I, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE SINCE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE DOING IT BASED ON THE FACT THAT OTHER THINGS AREN'T OCCURRING.
COULD THAT SECTION SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IT SAYS NOW, UH, PREPARATION OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET PROVIDED THAT IF APPLICABLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WELL, PROVIDED THAT WHATEVER THE FEES ARE, WE CAN, WE CAN EDIT THAT SO THAT WE'RE NOT OH, YEAH.
ON, ON THE HOOK FOR SOMETHING WE'RE NOT DOING
I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
I DID PUT THIS PICTURE UP HERE IN INTENTIONALLY, I KNOW IT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT PICTURE FOR DEVELOPMENT OR VIEW VIEW BODIES, BUT SOMETIMES DON'T YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE JUMPING OUT OF AIRPLANE WHEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE SOME OF THESE DECISIONS YOU HAVE TO MAKE? SO I JUST, I I WANT YOU TO KNOW I CAN, I, I UNDERSTAND AND I'M CONCERNED.
UM, WE DID TAKE OUT THE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD.
WE DIDN'T THINK WE NEEDED ALL OF THAT IN THERE.
IF WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE IT RIGHT NOW, CAN SIMPLY ADD IT BACK IN AS SOON AS WE HAVE ONE.
BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE ONE, WHY, UM, HAVE THOSE DETAILS AND WE CAN GIVE YOU REVISING THE DOCUMENT AT A LATER DATE.
UM, IT'S A DI DYNAMIC DOCUMENT AND IT SHOULD BE A AMENDED MUCH MORE OFTEN THAN IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST 10 YEARS.
UM, WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE LET VIDEO RENTALS STAY IN THERE FOR SO LONG.
AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, UM, YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN SOMEBODY WILL PUT IN A VIDEO STORE
SO THAT'S THAT, THAT SECTION, UM, MONEY TRIED TO CLEAN UP SOME OF THE CHARTS AND ADD CHARTS AS NECESSARY.
THE, THE SECTION HERE WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT, UH, REHEARING OF DECISIONS ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW.
IT, IT CITES A 60 DAY TIME PERIOD THERE.
HOW DOES THAT DEAL WITH A 45 DAY DEEMING PERIOD? OKAY.
45 DAYS IS NOT A DEEMING PERIOD.
THE 45 DAYS IS HOW LONG STATE LAW GIVES US TO GET TO FROM ONE BOARD TO THE NEXT BOARD.
WE WHAT PAGE, JEFF? THIS IS ON PAGE FOUR.
UH, UNDER H IT IT, IT ALLOWS FOR RECONSIDERATION FOR CERTAIN DECISIONS, BUT IT SAYS THAT, UM, THE REHEARING OR THE REMANDED MATTER WITHOUT FURTHER PUBLIC NOTICE, UH, IT MUST BE DONE WITHIN 60 DAYS.
BUT WHAT WOULD BE, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THAT SECTION? ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO RECONSIDERATION OR REHEARING THAT WOULD BE I'LL HAVE, BE UNDER THE 45 DAY DEEMING PERIOD THAT THOSE CHANGES WERE, WERE PULLED.
I'LL HAVE TO CHECK WITH MI MS. MAINES ON THAT.
I'M NOT, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION BECAUSE I DON'T, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE, UM, UNLESS IT WAS FALSE INFORMATION OR SOME OTHER THINGS I, I DO NOT KNOW.
SO, UM, WHERE WE'VE HAD TO REHEAR SOMETHING.
SO, UM, BUT WE, WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME, SOME BACKGROUND ON THAT.
WELL, THERE WAS ONE CASE WHERE WE WANTED TO THROW IT OUT FOR RE-REVIEW, AND THAT COMES UP IN, IN, I THINK THE NEXT SECTION IS DOCUMENTS.
WHEN WE GOT 450 ACRES ON AN EIGHT AND A HALF BY 11 DRAWING.
BUT THAT, I COULD SEE THAT AS ONE OF THE REASONS FOR REHEARING BECAUSE WE COULDN'T ACTUALLY ADEQUATELY REVIEW WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PRESENT, PRESENT TO US.
WELL, I, I, ONCE AGAIN, I'M GONNA CHECK WITH THE ATTORNEY 'CAUSE I, I REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING EXACT AND WE, WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT.
SO, UM, AND, AND I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ON PAGE SIX.
MM-HMM,
IT'S COVERED IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS DOCUMENT.
WHAT WE, WE, WE, OUR CONSULTANT TOOK EVERYTHING AND WENT STRAIGHT FROM STATE LAW AND STATE LAW.
LIKE, LIKE MANY THINGS WAS, WAS REPETITIVE.
WE ARE JUST TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE DOCUMENT.
AND THAT IS THE VERY BEGINNING OF, OF THIS ORDINANCE, THE PURPOSE IN THE, UM, IN ARTICLE ONE, EVERYTHING WE DO IS FOR THAT PURPOSE.
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OKAY.SO I GUESS WE'RE ON TO SEVEN REVIEW APPROVAL AND CLOSEOUT PROCEDURES.
UM, I, I PUT COMMON PRACTICE UP THERE TALKING ABOUT THE SRC STUFF.
UH, WE HAD, WE HAD IT WRITTEN OUT.
WE'VE HAD IT, UM, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS, IT WAS WAY BACK WHEN DONE BY RESOLUTION, I THINK BY COUNCIL.
UM, IT WASN'T IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND SO, UM, WELL IT WAS PRESCRIPTIVE.
IT WAS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TOOK THOSE COMMON PRACTICES AND MADE 'EM PART OF THE ORDINANCE AND PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, WE ALSO, UM, BASED ON CHANGING TIMES, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE NEWSPAPER NOTICE AND STATE LAW, STATE LAW HAS STILL STAYED THE SAME ON, ON THEIR NOTICE REQUIREMENTS.
BUT WE ARE STEPPING IT UP BASED ON THINGS FOR PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL CONCERNS AND, AND, AND NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PUBLIC CONCERNS.
SO, UM, WE'VE DONE SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS AND THE APPLICANTS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
UM, AND THAT, THAT SAME POINT, JUST LIKE WE'RE DOING, UM, WITH NOW RIVERTON POINTS, FOLKS MET WITH, UM, TOLL BROTHER, EXCUSE ME, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX FOLKS FOR, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE REACHING OUT TO THESE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE AROUND THEM PRIOR TO COMING TO ANY OF Y'ALL.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
AND, UM, PUTTING IT IN IN THERE, UM, SO THAT WE KNOW IT'S BEING DONE AND THEY HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR IT.
UM, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE SIZE OF PAPER, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SCALE AND THAT IS WHAT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE.
AND HAS, IT WAS, IT WAS IN SOME PLACES IT WAS NOT EVERYWHERE IN THE, WHERE IS THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED? 'CAUSE I MUST HAVE READ RIGHT OVER IT.
I GUESS IT IS UNDER, UM, PLAN.
SHE'LL BE DRAWN IN 2030 OR 40 SCALE.
AND IT'S AGAIN, ON PAGE 15 UNDER, UM, UNDER PD D INITIAL MASTER PLAN.
IT'S UNDER PDD AND INITIAL MASTER PLAN.
AND I THINK WE ADDED IT ALSO YES.
FOR SITE DEVELOPMENT PROMO PLANS.
JEFF, I THINK, YOU KNOW, LIKE SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AGO SOMEBODY CAME IN WITH A SET OF PLANS AND YOU PORT LOGISTICS WAS THE PROJECT.
IT WAS 400 ACRES ON EIGHT AND A HALF BY 11.
SO THAT'S WHAT PRECIPITATED THAT.
'CAUSE IAII ASKED THE SAME QUESTION AS A THUMBNAIL SKETCH.
THAT SCALE IS GOING TO AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGER THOSE BIGGER SETS OF PAPERS.
UM, AND AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR DIFFERENT, UM, APPLICATIONS AND DIFFERENT PROCEDURES, AS WE'VE GOTTEN BUSIER, THERE IS MUCH NEED FOR CHANGING OUR PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES.
AND SO WE ARE, WE'RE TWEAKING THAT.
UM, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT JUST OUR PLANNING STAFF, WHILE OUR BUILDING STAFF HAS INCREASED TREMENDOUSLY, JUST OUR PLANNING STAFF, WE'RE DOING THE SAME AMOUNT OF WORK WITH, WE TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING PERMITS.
THOSE BUILDING PERMITS HAVE TO BE REVIEWED.
I MEAN, THOSE, THOSE LOTS HAVE TO BE REVIEWED.
THEY HAVE TO BE SUBDIVIDED, THEY HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THAT WORK DONE PRIOR TO IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE MAKING SURE THAT, UM, EFFICIENCY IS IN THERE BOTH FOR US AND FOR THE APPLICANT AND FOR REVIEWERS LIKE YOU.
SO, UM, PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE BORING CHAPTERS, BUT IT ALSO GIVES US OUR, UM, THAT'S WHERE I GET MY PLANNER GEEK STUFF GOING ON.
WE, WE LIKE HAVING SOMETHING IN THAT SECTIONS.
IT GIVES US THAT, THAT THAT GUIDE, THAT BLUEPRINT SIGNS IS ARTICLE EIGHT.
OH, I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE ALL TEAK SIGNS.
NOW
OKAY, SO TEAKS, WE WILL NOT HAVE TWEAK TEAK SIGNS.
UM, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CAN AFFORD TEAK SIGNS.
CAN THEY? I GUESS IT WOULD LAST A LONG TIME IF YOU ORDERED, UM, THE SIGN ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED SEPARATELY, RIGHT THEN THE REST OF THE ORDINANCE.
UM, IT WAS ABOUT FOUR YEARS WE SPENT ON IT, MAYBE FIVE WHEN I FIRST STARTED.
SEVERAL OF US LIVED THROUGH THAT TOO.
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OH GOD, YES.YOU GOT THE SECOND ROUND, BUT THE FIRST ROUND WAS, UM, I, I WILL TELL YOU, UM, I, SOME OF US WERE HERE FOR THE FIRST ROUND.
YOU WERE NOT JUST FELT LIKE 2008, 2009.
THIS I PROMISE YOU ONE, I PROMISE YOU, YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR THE FIRST ROUND.
SOME OF US WERE HERE FOR ONE A.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, UM, IF YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I, I NEVER WANTED TO HEAR ANOTHER WORD ABOUT SIGNS, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S FINALLY GETTING INTO A POINT AND WE'VE DONE SOME MORE EDITS AND CHANGES.
UM, THE, WE ARE, BECAUSE THE WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD MASTER PLAN, BECAUSE OF A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS WE ARE LOOKING AT MAKING A LOT MORE MONUMENT SIGNS.
UM, DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T BE TALLER SIGNS, BUT THEY CAN'T BE JUST A POLE SIGN OUT THERE.
WITH GOLDEN ARCHES AT THE TOP.
I'M SORRY, OUTTA CURIOSITY, THAT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE THEY'RE PUTTING AT THE FRONT OF HILTON HEAD LAKES, IS THAT A MONUMENT? IS THAT CONSIDERED A MONUMENT SIGN? THAT IS ACTUALLY, THAT'S, THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT.
THAT IS AN ENTRYWAY SIGNAGE AND EVERYTHING.
IT'S, THEY HAVE A SIGN PLAN FOR THAT.
PDD FOR WEST SERGEANT PDD, YOU MAY HAVE, THEY HAD THOSE TWO TOWERS BEFORE.
IT'S NOT PART OF OUR SIGN ORDINANCE.
IT'S PART OF THEIR SIGN PROGRAM.
UM, WE'VE DONE SOME TWEAKS, NOT TWEAKS, BUT TWEAKS ONCE AGAIN FOR, FOR TECHNOLOGY AND FOR OTHER THINGS.
IT'S ALREADY, IT'S EARLY AND IT'S STILL ROUGH.
UM, SO, UM, WE WANTED TO CLEAN THINGS UP.
I, AS KATIE AND CHRIS GO THROUGH THIS, I, I HEAR EVERY DAY WE HAVE SOMEBODY AS WE FIND THINGS THAT AREN'T, AREN'T WORKING THAT I HAVEN'T MADE SENSE.
THAT'S WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING SURE ALL THOSE ARE GETTING CLEANED UP IN HERE.
WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE IT DIVIDED INTO, UH, PERMITTED SIGNS AND PROHIBITED SIGNS.
AND THAT GETS VERY CONFUSING BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T UN THEY THINK, I GOT A PERMIT, IT'S PERMITTED.
WHAT ABOUT THIS SIGN? I DON'T HAVE A PERMIT FOR YET.
THAT, SO MAYBE ALLOWED SIGNS AND PROHIBITED SIGNS SHOULD BE A, A LITTLE BETTER WAY TO TO WORD IT.
BUT WE'VE TAKEN INTO THAT WHAT WE WANNA SEE FROM, FROM WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD MASTER PLAN PERSPECTIVE AND HOW WE WANNA CREATE OUR, OUR, OUR DOWNTOWN, OUR INNER CITY.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TO MAKE THIS WORK.
WE DID NOT CHANGE THE BILLBOARD STANDARDS.
WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE BILLBOARD STANDARDS.
THAT TAKES TOO MANY ATTORNEYS RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE ARE, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES FROM, FROM ATTORNEYS, BUT RIGHT NOW, UH, AS IS BILLBOARDS WERE ALLOWED ON IN HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? NO, I 95.
I 95 HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN SPACING.
I 95 ONLY IS THE ONLY PLACE WE ALLOW BILLBOARDS.
THERE ARE SOME EXISTING ONES IN OTHER PLACES THAT ARE IN THE CITY LIMITS, BUT NO NEW ONES CAN GO ANYWHERE.
BUT I 95, UM, WHEN YOU SAY I 95, DOES THAT INCLUDE ON AND OFF RAMPS? IT DEPENDS.
IT DEPENDS ON HOW, HOW THE RIGHT OF WAY IS AND WHERE THINGS WERE ALLOWABLE FOR.
THEY HAVE TO BE SO FAR APART, EVEN ACROSS THE ROAD.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THAT CLUSTER OF 'EM AT, AT, BECAUSE I KNOW AT EXIT EIGHT THERE ARE SOME ON THE ON AND OFF RAMPS, THEY'RE ALLOWED WITHIN 50 FEET OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT LIKE BRIANNA SAID, THERE'S A SPACING REQUIREMENT.
YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S, I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
UM, YOU GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE RAMPS WITH WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AT EXIT EIGHT AND, UM, SOMEWHAT AT EXIT FIVE, NOT AS MUCH AT EXIT FIVE, BUT EXIT THREE AND EXIT EIGHT WITH THE DI DIVERGING DIAMONDS THAT THEY'RE BUILDING.
IT'S GONNA CHANGE A LOT OF THAT.
SO, UM, AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, ANY KIND OF WAYFINDING SIGN OR DIRECTIONAL SIGNS ARE IN KEEPING AND ACCOM ACCOMMODATING WITH THAT.
AND I LIKED HAVING THAT QUICK JUST CONVERSATION ABOUT SIGNS AND MOVING ON, UH, SANDWICH BOARDS.
UM, BUT, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA FOR THESE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT OUT AT PD AT OUT IN FRONT OF HILTON HEAD LAKES ANYMORE.
THEY HAVE, UNLESS HE DECIDES HE'S GONNA ADVERTISE AGAIN.
UM, DOWNTOWN, I MEAN, WHAT SIDEWALKS THERE ARE I SANDWICH BOARDS IMPEDE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IN AND, AND AS WE'RE
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LOOKING AT THE TYPES OF PLACES THAT WOULD HAVE IT, WE HAVE TO APPROVE THAT THEY HAVE IT.AND WE HAVE TO PROVE WHERE IT GOES AND HOW THEY PUT IT OUT IN THE SIDEWALKS.
WE ARE HOPING THAT MANY OF OUR SIDEWALKS GET, GET IMPROVED THROUGH THE MILLETTE HARDY BOULEVARD MASTER PLAN AND OTHER THINGS.
SO, AND IF IT IMPEDES PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC THAT THEN IT'S IN VIOLATION OF THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THEY SHALL NOT BLOCK PEDESTRIAN OR VEHICULAR ACCESS.
SO WE CAN SEND CODE ENFORCEMENT OUT.
AND ON THAT NOTE, WOULD THAT INCLUDE VISIBILITY? YES.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, UM, THE POLICE CHIEF, THE CITY MANAGER MYSELF, OTHERS HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER.
WE HAVE I NEW POLICE OFFICERS, NOT NEW POLICE OFFICERS.
FIVE POLICE OFFICERS ARE NOW GETTING THEIR CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, TRAINING AND ARE GONNA BE ASSISTING OFFICER BAXTER.
UM, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THAT UP AND GOING AND YOU SHOULD SEE BENEFITS FROM THAT RELATIVELY SOON.
SO, UM, HIS ONE MAN SHOW WAS, WAS SUFFERING GREATLY.
AND AS WE ADDED IN THE TASK FORCE ABOUT THESE, UM, MOTELS AND SOME OTHER THINGS, IT WAS NECESSARY TO GET HIM SOME HELP.
AND BY THE WAY, THE TASK FORCE, UM, HAS BEEN DOING GREAT WORK.
UM, CHIEF ROW, UM, VINCE ROMANO FROM THE, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT OFFICER BAXTER, UM, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FOLKS ARE, ARE DOING GREAT WORK ON, ON GETTING OUT THERE AND, AND GETTING SOME OF THESE PLACES AROUND.
EXIT FIVE AND WHITE HARDY BOULEVARD CLEANED UP.
WE'VE MADE SOME ADDITIONS, SOME DELETIONS.
UM, FOR THE MOST PART, IF, UM, WE WILL INCLUDE A SOURCE.
I MEAN THE SOURCE WOULD BE FROM THE, UM, AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATIONS, WHAT'S IT CALLED? PLANNERS, PLANNER'S DICTIONARY.
CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER MY OWN SOURCE.
UM, AND WE ARE BEING CONSISTENT AND DOUBLE CHECKING IT AND MAKE SURE IT WORKS FOR THE DIFFERENT PARTS IN THE, THE DOCUMENT.
SO IF THERE IS A WORD THAT YOU DON'T SEE OR THAT'S YOUR TERM THAT YOU DON'T SEE, WE WILL HAPPY TO GET IT IN THERE LIKE SPECIMEN TREES.
AND THE OTHER COMMENT I HAD ON THAT ONE HAD TO DO WITH CARE HOMES.
THE, THE DEFINITION IS OUT OF DATE WITH HOW THINGS CURRENTLY EXIST.
AT LEAST FROM MY EXPERIENCE WITH MY MOTHER.
I MEAN, WE HAVE INDEPENDENT LIVING, ASSISTED LIVING, MEMORY CARE, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF CARE HOME STYLES.
NOW WE WILL GET THAT AS OPPOSED TO JUST NURSING HOMES.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE USE CARE HOMES ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE DOCUMENT.
SO I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH THE RIGHT, RIGHT.
TERMS AND MAKE SURE THAT IS APPROPRIATE.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE NEED MANY EYES ON THIS DOCUMENT.
SO, UM, I WILL SAY THAT IS MY LEAST FAVORITE SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE IS THE DEFINITION
AND THEN FINALLY, THE VESTING OF RIGHTS.
UM, WE ALL HAVE OPINIONS ON THIS ONE AND, UM, WHAT WE SOUTH CAROLINA HAS HAS CHANGED OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT I KNOW THE CITY ATTORNEY IS MAKING SURE IS CLEAR.
UM, THAT 2018 COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING GUIDE THAT WE, WE ALWAYS USE, I THINK THEY, THEY, THE VESTING HAS CHANGED SLIGHTLY.
SO THERE'S A GONNA BE A 2020 I BELIEVE IT IS, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN KEEPING WITH THAT AND, AND KEEP YOU GUYS UP TO DATE ON EVERYTHING.
IT MIGHT'VE BEEN A 2019 CHANGE, BUT THEY'RE GONNA MAKE IT APPARENT IN 28, 20 20.
BUT, UM, JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE ON POINT WITH THESE VESTING RIGHTS BECAUSE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE EARLIER IN THE DOCUMENT WAS FROM OLD VESTING AND WE GOTTA MAKE SURE IT'S ALL CONSISTENT.
SO, KATIE, ON UH, 10 POINT B, UH, WE HAVE THE WORD SIRE SPECIFIC.
THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CAUGHT LAST TIME.
ALREADY CAUGHT THAT ONE AT THE, AT THE LAST MEETING.
YOU DON'T WANNA KNOW ABOUT THE SIS? I DON'T KNOW WHO, I DON'T CARE WHO SIS.
WE'LL GET THAT WILL BE UPDATED BEFORE WEDNESDAY.
'CAUSE THE WORD IS LEGITIMATE.
SO, UM, THAT'S INVESTING AND SO I'M LEAVING IT WITH QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA DO? UM, WE WILL BE, HAVE TO SEND THE AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY ALONG
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WITH UH, ONE OTHER ITEM.UM, WELL ONE THING WE DIDN'T TOUCH ON THAT, THAT KATIE I CAME UP WITH WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
ONE PAGE 11, GIVE YOU AN ARTICLE ABLE 4.5 0.3.
I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT IN THE HELL THAT, WHAT WAS THAT REFERRING TO? I'M SORRY.
LET'S TALK ABOUT ARTICLE ONE, TABLE 4 5 3.
I JUST CAN'T EXACTLY FIGURE OUT WHAT IN THE HELL IT'S TRYING TO TELL ME.
I HAVE IT MARKED IN MINE AND KATIE AND I TALKED ABOUT IT YESTERDAY.
IT WILL BE, UM, REVAMPED BEFORE WEDNESDAY.
I JUST COULD NOT FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO TELL
I KIND OF THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD IT.
UH, SO I YEAH, I DIDN'T MARK THAT DOWN.
IT DIDN'T STAND OUT TO US 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN USING IT FOR SO MANY YEARS.
THAT'S PART OF THAT, UM, USER FRIENDLY.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS MORNING.
THIS MAKES ME FEEL A LOT BETTER.
IF YOU HAVE COME UP WITH ANYTHING ELSE OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS, WE'RE HERE.
UM, KATIE, CHRIS, AND I, UM, SO WHAT IS YOUR EXPECTATION OF US WEDNESDAY? I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THESE CHANGES AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND IT TO COUNCIL OR THAT'S WHAT YOUR OBJECTIVE IS? THAT IS MY OBJECTIVE.
UM, I DO BELIEVE AS THE MAYOR HAS STATED RECENTLY AND ON ALL OF YOU AND OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THAT YOU STAY INVOLVED WITH IT.
UM, AND MY EXPERIENCE IN, IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND HERE, UM, IF, IF COUNCIL GETS IT AND THEY START MAKING A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CHANGES, THE ATTORNEY STAFF WILL SAY, WELL, PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
THERE IS THAT, THAT POINT WHERE WE SAY IT NEEDS TO BE REFERRED PREFERRED BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, I DON'T FORESEE THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS, UM, SO IN NUMEROUS WORK.
SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN IT'LL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THEM.
BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY, UM, WILL, WILL WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW A CLEAN COPY BEFORE WEDNESDAY MORNING? I MEAN, NOT THAT I REALLY AM LOOKING FORWARD TO IT, BUT YES SIR.
WE, UM, THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS IMPORTANT.
WELL I UNDERSTAND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FEW YEARS BEYOND ITS LIFE EXPECTANCY ALREADY.
SO, OH, I ASSUME THAT WHEN WE'RE DONE THERE'LL BE A REALLY NICE INDEX FOR THIS THING.
I MEAN IT'S, IT, I UNDERSTAND FORMATTED SOON WITH ALL THE CHANGES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FORMATTING.
ANYTIME, UM, YOU DO ANYTHING, IT, IT FIX HAVOC WITH THE FORMATTING, BUT WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN TO GET IT, UM, UPDATED.
AND THERE IS YOUR ARTICLE ONE FOUND IT.
I TOLD YOU THEY WERE OUT OF ORDER.
WELL, LATER I'D GONE THROUGH AND I MISSED THAT ONE SECTION FOUR OR FIVE OR SO.
MINE'S GOT STICKY NOTES ON IT.
SO I CAN HAVE TABS NOW THAT WE'RE THROUGH.
JUST TO COMMENT, YOU SAID THIS WAS THINNER THAN THE LAST ONE? IT WILL BE WHEN, WHEN I MEASURED IT, MARKUPS ARE GONE.
THE MARKUPS ARE, ARE CREATING.
DO YOU, SO THAT'S THE, DO YOU WANT US TO, WHEN WE GET THIS BACK TO YOU, DO YOU WANT US TO TURN OFF THE MARKUPS THAT WERE ON THIS ONE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE MARKUPS THAT WERE DONE BETWEEN THIS WORKSHOP AND YEAH, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY, I WILL MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.
'CAUSE IT GETS QUITE MESSY AT POINTS.
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I AM NOT, UM, SHOWING MY AGE, BUT UM, WE WILL, WE YES, WE WILL GET THAT YOU M MS WORD EXPERT.
WELL I GET SI CORRECTED TOO IF YOU HAVE ANY ES QUESTIONS ON THE TRANSECT.
'CAUSE I KNOW I DIDN'T REALLY GO INTO THE DETAIL OF IT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO.
UM, ALRIGHT, WELL YOU GUYS DIVE DEEPER.
YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A, A HELL OF A JOB ON DOING THIS AND YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD TO REVIEW IT.
UM, WE, I, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH GOOD THINGS ABOUT JOHN BROWN AND HIS TEAM AND, AND OTHER STAFF MEMBERS.
UM, AND OUR CONSULTANT HAS, HAS GUIDED US IN A GOOD WAY.
AND YOU GENTLEMEN CHANGING SUBJECTS.
I NOTICED THERE ARE, IS EARTH MOVING EQUIPMENT
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DOWN THE STREET AT UH, YEAH, THEARE WE, UH, ARE WE DONE NOW? YES, SIR.
DO WE NEED TO ADJOURN?