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ALREADY OPENED UP OUR SESSION WITH THE.
WE CALLED THE MEETING TO ORDER.
WE HAD THE PLEDGE AND THE INVOCATION BEFORE WE WENT INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT TO RETURN TO REGULAR SESSION AND I'LL NEED A MOTION TO RETURN TO REGULAR SESSION FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION . I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE RETURN TO REGULAR SESSION.
WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AYE. AYE. OKAY, WE ARE BACK INTO REGULAR SESSION, AND THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS PUBLIC COMMENTS.
DO WE HAVE SOMEONE SIGNED UP? YES, MAYOR. YES. YES, MAYOR WE DO.
WANTS TO TALK ABOUT. MS. SCHURGOT PLEASE JOIN US.
AS WITH ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS, I'M REQUIRED TO READ THE RULES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE ARE NOW ENTERING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF OUR MEETING.
WE ASK THAT YOU DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS AT THIS TIME TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE.
WE WELCOME ANY COMMENTS ON MATTERS APPEARING ON THE AGENDA OR THOSE THAT ARE WITHIN OUR CONTROL.
SOME MATTERS ARE BETTER ADDRESSED TO COUNTY COUNCIL OR YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES.
[V. PUBLIC COMMENTS (3 MINUTE TIME LIMIT)]
HEARD BY CHILDREN AND OTHERS AT HOME WATCHING.THE RULES ALSO SAY THAT YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, AND ALSO THE RULES ARE, IF YOU'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOT ANSWER ANYTHING BUT IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, WE'LL DIRECT YOU TO THE PROPER PERSON.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
PAMELA SCHURGOT, 95 RIVER OAK WAY, HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA.
MY COMMENT IS, IS THAT I KNOW HARDEEVILLE IS EXPANDING GREATLY AND THERE'S NO MORE ROOM IN BLUFFTON, SO THEY'RE COMING OUT THIS WAY, AND COUNCIL HAS BEEN APPROVING DIFFERENT MORE BUILDS OF HOMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO CITY GOVERNMENT OF COURSE, IS GOING TO HAVE MORE SERVICES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE.
I'VE JUST NOTICED OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS THE PROCUREMENT OF GOODS AND SERVICES BY THE CITY, YOU DO NOT HAVE A DEDICATED PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT.
I KNOW THAT YOUR FISCAL YEAR STARTS IN JULY, AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE AS MR. MAYOR AND MR. CZYMBOR KNOW, I HAVE GONE RIGOROUSLY OVER REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED BY THE CITY, AND AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN IN PUBLIC PROCUREMENT FOR OVER 20 YEARS, I TEACH THIS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT LETTING THE CITY, NOT HAVING A DEDICATED PROCUREMENT PERSON, STAFF, DEPARTMENT, WHATEVER THAT KNOWS PUBLIC PROCUREMENT, THAT THE LIKELIHOOD OF NOT GETTING ECONOMIES OF SCALE AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A FAIR AND LEVEL PLAYING FIELD, AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU GET ANY FEDERAL MONIES, MAKING SURE THAT THE GRANTS AND THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THOSE FEDERAL AGENCIES ARE ADHERED TO, THAT WE RUN THE RISK OF COSTING THE TAXPAYERS EXTREMELY, A LOT MORE MONEY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, AND, MR. CZYMBOR, WOULD YOU PLEASE AT SOME POINT WE HAVE SOME TIME BEFORE NEXT BUDGET SEASON BUT ADVISE COUNCIL ON THAT COMMENT AND THE ADVISABILITY OR OF WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
OKAY NEXT WE HAVE AND BY THE WAY YOU'RE WELL UNDER THREE MINUTES.
[LAUGHTER] I TALK FAST. NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS.
INTRODUCTION OF BUILDING INSPECTOR RANDOLPH BLACKMAN.
[VI. PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS]
MISS SNOWDEN.WELCOME. EVENING, VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE THIS EVENING, ESPECIALLY INTRODUCING.
I KNOW IT SAYS RANDOLPH, BUT WE CALL HIM KYLE, THAT'S WHAT HE'S BEEN GOING BY KYLE BLACKMAN.
WE ARE VERY PLEASED TO HAVE HIM.
HE'S BEEN WORKING FOR A LOCAL BUILDER HERE IN THE AREA.
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I THINK HE'S FROM THE AREA AND LIKE I SAID, HE'S HIT THE GROUND RUNNING THIS WEEK.WE'VE HAD HIM BUSY, BUSY, BUSY.
SO I'LL LET KYLE INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO YOU AS WELL.
THANK YOU SIR. LIKE SHE SAID, MY NAME IS KYLE BLACKMAN AND I'M ORIGINALLY FROM RIDGELAND.
I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR A LOCAL BUILDER FIGURE AND WANTED TO CAREER CHANGE AND APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND GROW WITHIN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE. THE BLACKMAN NAME IS WELL KNOWN IN THESE PARTS.
YOU MEAN YOU DON'T KNOW HIM? THERE'S ONE PERSON IN JASPER COUNTY YOU DON'T KNOW? HIS DADDY. OH OKAY.
I PULTE'S BEEN SCREAMING EVER SINCE YOU LEFT.
SO COUNCIL, ANY COMMENTS TO MR. BLACKMAN? NO.
JUST WELCOME, AND YES. GLAD YOU'RE HERE.YES, SIR. [LAUGHTER].
NO YOU HAVE SOME PROUD HERITAGE.
WELCOME AND BEST WISHES FOR A LONG AND SUCCESSFUL CAREER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT WE HAVE FIRE DEPARTMENT PROMOTION AND RECOGNITION.
FIRE INSPECTOR ALTMAN, CHIEF CAMP OR CHIEF [INAUDIBLE].
[B. FIRE DEPARTMENT PROMOTION & RECONITION – FIRE INSPECTOR ALTMAN]
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.GOOD EVENING. TONIGHT I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR FIRST FIRE INSPECTOR.
HE RECENTLY TRANSFERRED FROM AS A LIEUTENANT FROM STATION 82 AND WAS PROMOTED TO THIS POSITION.
I'VE WORKED WITH HIM FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND HE'S GOING TO BE A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR TEAM, AND HE'S ALREADY GOT HIS FEET WET WITH OUR TASK FORCE LAST WEEK. SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'LL LET HIM.
I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT SIX YEARS OR SO, KIND OF OFF AND ON, BUT I'M EXCITED TO MAKE THE MOVE OVER TO FIRE PREVENTION AND COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION STUFF, AND I HOPE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF HARDEEVILLE VERY WELL.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR SERVING HARDEEVILLE.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION AND I'LL SHOW MY IGNORANCE.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FIRE MARSHAL AND FIRE INSPECTOR? [LAUGHTER] I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY NOW.
BASICALLY, I'M THE CHIEF FIRE INSPECTOR.
WORKING MY WAY THERE. OKAY, WELL, YOU HAVE A GREAT TEACHER.
I'M SORRY. A PILE OF A DIFFERENCE.
YEAH. I'M NEVER GOING TO LIVE THAT DOWN.
[LAUGHTER] NO, NO, I'M NEVER GOING TO LIVE IT.
NOVEMBER IS PANCREATIC CANCER MONTH.
[C. PROCLAMATION - NOVEMBER IS PANCREATIC CANCER MONTH]
I WAS APPROACHED BY THIS ORGANIZATION AND ASKED TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO ENDORSE THIS PROCLAMATION.IT HIT ME BECAUSE IN 2020, THE ONLY ONE OF MY NINE SIBLINGS WHO'S NOT LIVING IS MY BROTHER, WHO DIED AT AGE 65 OF PANCREATIC CANCER.
SO I WAS MORE THAN HAPPY TO PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL TODAY THIS PROCLAMATION FOR WORLD PANCREATIC CANCER DAY 2023. SO I'M GOING TO READ IT.
DECLARING NOVEMBER 16TH AS WORLD PANCREATIC CANCER DAY IN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA.
WHEREAS IN 2023, AN ESTIMATED 64,050 PEOPLE WILL BE DIAGNOSED WITH PANCREATIC CANCER IN THE UNITED STATES AND 50,000 WILL DIE FROM THE DISEASE.
WHEREAS PANCREATIC CANCER IS ONE OF THE DEADLIEST CANCERS, IS CURRENTLY THE THIRD LEADING CAUSE OF CANCER DEATH IN THE UNITED STATES, AND IS PROJECTED TO BECOME THE SECOND LEADING CAUSE AROUND 2030.
WHEREAS WHEN SYMPTOMS OF PANCREATIC CANCER PRESENT THEMSELVES IT IS GENERALLY IN LATER STAGES, AND 88% OF PANCREATIC CANCER PATIENTS DIE WITHIN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS.
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WHEREAS APPROXIMATELY 900 DEATHS WILL OCCUR IN SOUTH CAROLINA IN 2023.WHEREAS PANCREATIC CANCER IS THE SEVENTH MOST COMMON CAUSE OF CANCER RELATED DEATH ACROSS THE WORLD.
WHEREAS THERE WERE AN ESTIMATED 500,000 NEW PANCREATIC CANCER CASES DIAGNOSED WORLDWIDE IN 2020, AND WHEREAS THE GOOD HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE ARE ENHANCED AS A DIRECT RESULT OF INCREASED AWARENESS ABOUT THE SYMPTOMS AND RISKS OF PANCREATIC CANCER AND RESEARCH INTO EARLY DETECTION CAUSES AND EFFECTIVE TREATMENTS.
THEREBY THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED I, MAYOR HARRY WILLIAMS DESIGNATES NOVEMBER 16TH AS WORLD PANCREATIC CANCER DAY IN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, AND I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL TO PLEASE GIVE A MOTION TO ENDORSE THIS PROCLAMATION.
MAYOR I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOGNIZE THIS PROCLAMATION? I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
OKAY. MADAM CLERK, YOU HAVE THE EMAIL OF THE PERSON WHO ASKED FOR THIS.
YES. COULD YOU SEND THEM THIS? THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION AND APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE OCTOBER 5TH, 2023 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
[VII. A. PRESENTATION & APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE OCTOBER 5, 2023 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING]
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 5TH? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 5TH.WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION.
WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AYE. NEXT WE GO TO OLD BUSINESS.
[VIII. OLD BUSINESS]
176 OF 2020.THIS IS ORDINANCE 2023-10-5A, AND AS I'M SURE MR. CZYMBOR WILL TELL US, THIS IS REQUIRED HOUSEKEEPING TO KEEP UP WITH STATE LAW.
IS THAT CORRECT, MR. CZYMBOR? YES, SIR. WE RECOMMEND ADOPTION AT SECOND READING.
OKAY, LET'S START THE QUESTIONING WITH MR. CARROLL. NO, SIR.
MR. WHITE, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I AGREE WITH JOHN'S STATEMENT.
I THINK I'M ON BOARD AND NO QUESTIONS.
NO QUESTIONS SIR. MR. MEERSMAN. NO QUESTIONS, MR. MAYOR. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS EITHER, AND SO AT THIS POINT I WILL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT OR ASK A QUESTION? CINDY, THIS IS YOURS AND I KNOW YOU'RE DYING TO GET UP AND SAY SOMETHING.
[LAUGHTER] DO YOU WANT TO ENLIGHTEN US WITH ANYTHING? PLEASE JOIN US.
PLEASE WE NEED YOU ON THE MICROPHONE.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
GOOD EVENING. I'M NOT NEARLY AS NERVOUS THIS TIME.
SEE, THE MORE YOU DO IT, THE LESS NERVOUS YOU GET, AND THAT'S WHY I OFFERED TO BRING YOU UP HERE.
NO, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
I THINK WE ASKED ALL THE QUESTIONS LAST MEETING.
SO THANK YOU, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE.
AGAIN ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OR MAKE A COMMENT? SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ORDINANCE 2023-10-5A.
I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE 2023-10-5A.
WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.
THAT PASSES, AND BEFORE I GO, I JUST LOOKED UP AND I SAW I WANT TO RECOGNIZE IN THE AUDIENCE, COUNTY COUNCILMAN JOHN KEMP, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, MR. KEMP. NEXT WE HAVE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT THE MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL FOR A TRACT OF LAND CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 389 ACRES,
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KNOWN GENERALLY AS WEST ARGENT POD 1, TO INCLUDE PARCEL ZERO 042-00-06-045 LOCATED ON LAKESIDE BOULEVARD. THIS IS ORDINANCE 2023-9-21A.THIS WE HAVE HAD A WORKSHOP IN SEPTEMBER.
WE HAD FIRST READING ALSO IN SEPTEMBER.
WE DELAYED IT TO TODAY TO SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE A FULL ALL FIVE COUNCIL PEOPLE HERE.
SO WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MR. CZYMBOR. IF THERE'S ANY PRESENTATION OF ANY FURTHER INFORMATION THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD IN THOSE OTHER TWO SESSIONS.
SO THE COUNCIL DID VOTE 3 TO 1 ON THE FIRST READING.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING ADOPTION AT SECOND READING.
ALSO, WE HAVE OUR PLANNING STAFF, MS. WOODRUFF AND MS. SNOWDEN ARE HERE IF THERE'S ANY THINGS RELATING TO THE PROPOSED ACTION.
OKAY. WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IF CAN WE PUT THE MAP UP JUST FOR A POINT OF REFERENCE, AND THEN I'LL GO RIGHT INTO COUNCIL QUESTIONING, AND I'LL START WITH MR. MEERSMAN. STARTED WITH MY LEFT LAST TIME.
LET'S START WITH MR. MEERSMAN.
WE HAD DISCUSSED, AND IS THERE A CONSTRUCTION ROAD ENTRANCE BESIDES LAKESIDE BOULEVARD? WHO ANSWERS THAT, MR. [INAUDIBLE]. OKAY.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
FOR THE CONSTRUCTION ACCESS, IT WILL BE LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.
WE DID PROPOSE AN ADDITIONAL ACCESS OFF OF RED DAM ROAD.
THE MAYOR WENT OUT AND TOOK A LOOK AT THAT AND WAS VERY ADAMANT THAT IT WAS NOT SAFE, A SAFE ACCESS.
WE TALKED THROUGH THAT AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.
THERE WERE OBVIOUSLY OTHER CONCERNS.
I'M HERE WITH MYSELF TO ADDRESS ENGINEERING CONCERNS.
THEY ARE THE MASTER DEVELOPER FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY OCCUR IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
SO I'D LIKE TO START BY ADDRESSING A FEW OF THE ENGINEERING RELATED CONCERNS, AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF GO BACK TO COUNCIL QUESTIONS AS THEY COME UP. WE CAN ADDRESS THEM BY THE APPROPRIATE MEMBER OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.
SO IF WE CAN, I GUESS, SCROLL OVER TO THAT EXHIBIT.
I WAS HOPING YOU HAD THAT ONE.
YES. [LAUGHTER] AS FAR AS ACCESS, EXISTING ACCESS, THERE'S NOT REALLY AN EXISTING ROAD, E ARTHEN ROAD TO THE CEMETERY.
THERE IS A ROAD HERE THAT YOU CAN SEE.
I GUESS THIS ISN'T WORKING FOR ME.
YOU NEED ME TO BE YOUR POINTER OR ANYTHING? YEAH. MAYBE IT'S OUT OF BATTERIES.
THERE'S AN ON BUTTON. THIS IS AN EXISTING ROAD THAT KIND OF COMES UP AND STOPS IN THIS GENERAL AREA.
I BELIEVE THE MAYOR WENT OUT TO THIS SIDE AS WELL AND COULDN'T REALLY LOCATE IT, BUT I DID WANT TO SHOW KIND OF WE WENT BACK AND DID SOME DISTANCES AND YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO READ THESE, BUT THIS THIS ONE WAS A LITTLE OVER 700FT, I BELIEVE THIS ONE WAS SAY 650, AND THIS WAS LIKE 570 SOMETHING MAYBE, AND WE HIGHLIGHTED KIND OF JUST THE BUILDINGS, JUST TO KIND OF SHOW THE DISTANCE TO THE VARIOUS BUILDINGS, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ALSO A WETLAND BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE CEMETERY.
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THERE WILL BE SOME DEVELOPMENT UP HERE TO THE NORTH IN THE FUTURE.AT THAT TIME, WE WILL DEVELOP PLANS, COME BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND I'M SURE WE WILL BE DISCUSSING CEMETERY AGAIN AS WE GET TO THAT POINT, AND THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO SHOW WAS KIND OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
SO IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT EXHIBIT, PLEASE, AND WE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH TO THESE AS WELL FOR MORE DISCUSSION AS THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE QUESTIONS.
SO EVERYTHING IN BLACK HERE WITH THE LOTS THAT YOU SEE, THIS IS THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN BEFORE YOU.
HERE WE'VE GOT WETLANDS AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST AND TO THE NORTH.
TO THE SOUTH THERE'S VARIOUS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES HERE.
THERE'S A RV PARK HERE, CAMP LAKE JASPER, I BELIEVE IT IS, AND THEN A LITTLE BIT MORE RURAL TYPE, BUT I THINK THESE ARE ALSO RESIDENTIAL ZONED PROPERTIES HERE.
THE BLUE IS JASPER COUNTY UNINCORPORATED JASPER COUNTY.
THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE IS OBVIOUSLY RIGHT HERE.
SO WE DID WANT TO SHOW THIS EXHIBIT, AND WE CAN ADDRESS ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AS WE GO FORWARD, BUT COULD WE GO TO THE LAST EXHIBIT PLEASE? SO THIS NEXT EXHIBIT REALLY JUST ADDRESSES THAT SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE, AND I KNOW THERE WAS CONCERN HERE ON THE BUFFER. SO WE DID.
AS WE MENTIONED, THE BUFFER IS TEN FEET.
WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT OUR PLAN, AND WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE A LITTLE OVER DOUBLE OF THAT BUFFER PRESENTLY SHOWN WITH 22FT TO THE PROPERTY LINE. IT'S PROBABLY I THINK IT'S 40 SOMETHING FEET TO THE KIND OF THE BUILDING PADS HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EXISTING TREES IN THERE.
ONE OF THEM THAT I DID POINT TO HERE, THERE'S A LOT OF LIVE OAKS, WATER OAKS VARIOUS NATIVE TREES.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A 51 INCH LIVE OAK RIGHT HERE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO PLAN TO DO AS WE GO INTO THE DEVELOPMENT PHASE, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO DESIGN ALL OF THIS IS WE HAVE A PLANT BACK REQUIREMENT, AND SO WE'VE TALKED WITH THE CITY STAFF ABOUT ALLOWING US TO COME IN HERE AND SUPPLEMENT THIS BUFFER WITH ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS BASED ON THE PLANTINGS THAT WE HAVE TO PLANT BACK FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO THAT WAS THE THREE ADDITIONAL EXHIBITS THAT WE PREPARED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS.
I KNOW THERE WERE A LOT OF TOPICS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED.
THANK YOU. MR. MEERSMAN ANY FURTHER QUESTIONING? NO NOT AT THIS TIME.
YES. ACTUALLY, I HAVE SEVERAL.
I'M GOING TO MAKE IT QUICK, I PROMISE.
[LAUGHTER] WE'LL START THE TIMER.
SO THE BOTTOM THERE WHERE YOU SEE JOYCE [INAUDIBLE] LIFE ESTATE.
RIGHT AT THE VERY BOTTOM, SIR.
SO WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS THE BUFFER BETWEEN YOUR LINE OF BUILDINGS AND THE [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTY IS. WHAT'S THE BUFFER THERE? WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY THE BUFFER WAS GOING TO BE? SO THEY ARE LIKE RESIDENTIAL USES.
OKAY. TEN FEET IS NOT THAT MUCH.
I MEAN, I CAN SEE THROUGH TEN FEET OF TREES.
YES, MA'AM, AND AGAIN, WE'VE DOUBLED THAT OVER DOUBLED THAT, AND WE DO PLAN TO ADD SOME SUPPLEMENTS THERE, BUT THAT IS THE ZONING BUFFER. IT'S TEN FEET.
I MEAN, WE'VE ASKED WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
WE'VE ASKED AT LEAST A 50 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY LINE AND YOUR PROPERTY LINE BEFORE YOU BUILD, ESPECIALLY IF THERE WERE HOUSES BEING BUILT IN THAT AREA.
WE'VE HAD WE'VE ASKED AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED A 50 FOOT BUFFER THERE, WHICH TO ME WOULD HAVE BEEN THE MINIMUM BETWEEN T HAT BECAUSE TEN FEET IS JUST A VEIL.
I'VE GOT THE DEVELOPER HERE AS WELL, IF HE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT ALL TO THAT.
COUNCIL AFTERNOON, JOHN HOFF WITH LENNAR HOMES.
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MRS. GUZMAN.WE'RE PROVIDING WE'RE SHOWING THE MINIMUM THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE.
WE ARE NOT IN THE DESIGN PROCESS AT THIS POINT.
I CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU THAT I CAN MAKE IT 50FT, BUT WE HAVE THE TEN FOOT THAT'S REQUIRED PER THE ZONING, AND WE WILL TRY OUR BEST TO MAKE IT LARGER, AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO TAKE AS NATHAN SAID, THE REQUIRED PLANTINGS AND PLANT TREES IN THERE TO HELP MAKE THAT BUFFER THICKER, AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO SHOW THE CURRENT PLAN THAT WE HAVE.
GET THE MICROPHONE PLEASE, AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO KIND OF SHOW.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT TO DESIGN THIS AS JOHN MENTIONED, WE'VE GOT TO DO DRAINAGE EASEMENTS AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S GOING TO WORK, BUT THIS IS KIND OF OUR CURRENT LAYOUT HERE, WHERE WE HAVE THE 22FT BETWEEN THE PROPERTY, THE TWO, THE RESIDENTIAL LOT PROPERTY LINE AND THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE SOUTH.
SO WHAT TYPE OF TREES, MR. LANE, DO THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE PLANTING THERE? BECAUSE I WENT THROUGH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND ACCORDING TO THE WEST ARGENT PDD AND THE CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN, THEY SAID THAT THE TREES SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF 14FT OVERALL HEIGHT WHEN PLANTED WITH A MINIMUM 14FT SPREAD, AND AT LEAST A THREE INCH DIAMETER AT 4.5FT FROM THE GROUND AFTER IT'S BEEN PLANTED.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS TO FIND OUT WHAT TYPE OF TREES YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE PLANTING THERE THAT WOULD INCREASE THE OPACITY BETWEEN THE [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTY AND THE BACK SIDE OF YOU GUYS PROPERTY.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT IT WITH THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE THERE AND COME UP WITH A CONCEPT PLAN ON WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE AND SUBMIT IT TO STAFF. OKAY.
SO AS FAR AS, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE CEMETERY MAPS? YES. OKAY, SO I AM LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND I DID GET A COPY OF THIS BEFORE. I JUST DIDN'T BRING IT.
SO THE FARTHEST CORNER FROM THE CEMETERY TO THE FARTHEST POINT OF THE BUILDING IS 772FT.
CORRECT? YES, THAT'S WHAT I'M READING.
OKAY, SO THERE IS 5,280 FT IN A MILE.
I WALK TWO MILES EVERY DAY WITH MY DOGGIES.
THAT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF SPACE IN BETWEEN, AND I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THERE IS A WETLAND IN BETWEEN.
THERE ARE SOME FOLKS WHO WERE THERE ON SUNDAY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS CEMETERY.
THERE'S NOTHING WET ABOUT THAT WETLAND.
IN FACT, THERE IS A, IT LOOKS LIKE A TREE FARM WAS STARTED ON THERE A WHILE BACK, BUT THE TREES ARE STILL KIND OF LITTLE, BUT THE FARTHEST IS SEVEN 772FT, AND THE CLOSEST IS 573FT, WHICH IS JUST 0.11 OF A MILE.
I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LOT THERE, BUT LOOKING AT THESE MEASUREMENTS HERE BRINGS IT PUTS IT IN MORE PERSPECTIVE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES DISTURBING THAT PROPERTY OR ACCIDENTALLY ROLLING OVER SOMEBODY'S SKULL BACK THERE, BUT WHEN I SAW THE NUMBERS AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, THAT'S NOT A LOT OF DISTANCE BETWEEN THE CEMETERY AND THE FARTHEST POINT.
SO I HONESTLY AND I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T PLAN ON BUILDING TO THE EAST, WEST AND THE SOUTH OF THAT AREA, BUT TO THE NORTHERN PART, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF DISTURBANCE IS GOING.
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SO HERE'S WHAT I'M ASKING.OUT OF THE KINDNESS OF YOUR HEART, WOULD YOU CONSIDER PUTTING A FENCE AROUND THAT CEMETERY BEFORE YOU ALL DO ANYTHING? CAN YOU ALL DO THAT? THERE WAS THE THIS IS A WETLAND THAT IS PRESERVED, AND THEN THESE I GUESS THE HATCH AREA AS YOU SEE ON THE SIDE ARE ALSO WETLAND BUFFER, WHICH IS UNDISTURBED, BUT I'LL LET BRYAN SPEAK TO THAT.
I'M BRYAN KIERNAN WITH LK DEVELOPMENT.
I WILL TRY TO SPEAK ON THE WHOLE PROJECT.
WE ARE AWARE THAT THE CEMETERY IS THERE.
WE WILL BE TAKING PRECAUTIONS TO STAY AWAY FROM THE CEMETERY.
SO IN ORDER FOR ANYTHING TO BE DEVELOPED AROUND THERE IS.
WE ARE VERY AWARE THAT THE CEMETERY IS THERE.
AS FAR AS PUTTING A FENCE IN THERE, WHEN WE GET TO THOSE AREAS, WE CAN LOOK AT DOING FENCING.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE A PERMANENT FENCE.
SOME KIND OF PROTECTION SO THAT ANYBODY COMING DOWN THAT WAY WITH A BULLDOZER OR SOMEONE COMING TO CLEAR CUT THE TREES WILL KNOW THAT THERE IS SOMETHING THERE THAT THEY NEED TO BE LOOKING OUT FOR OR BE CAREFUL AND EXERCISE CAUTION BECAUSE IF THERE IS NOTHING THERE TO MARK IT, I KNOW THERE WERE SOME FOLKS WHO WENT THERE ON SUNDAY, AND I GOT SOME AWESOME PICTURES OF THAT CEMETERY ON SUNDAY.
WHEN WE GO TO DEVELOP, THERE WILL BE PROTECTION THERE THERE'LL BE PROTECTION.
OKAY, AND THAT'S USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS.
CORRECT. SO. IT'S BEEN YEARS IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT, AND THEN THE SOUTH CAROLINA LAW THAT SAYS THAT, THAT WHOEVER OWNS THE PROPERTY AROUND IT NEEDS TO PROVIDE INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THAT CEMETERY.
I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S NEIGHBORLY.
I THINK SHOWS YOUR COMPASSIONATE SIDE FOR THAT AS A DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE THAT, AND I THINK THAT WILL GO A LONG WAY TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT YOU ALL CARE. YEAH, AND FROM SOMEONE THAT'S DEVELOPED A LOT OF LAND WITH CEMETERIES, ESPECIALLY IN TENNESSEE, BECAUSE THEY'RE EVERYWHERE.
THE PODS AND SECTIONS THAT ARE NORTH OF THAT ARE SEVERAL YEARS DOWN THE LINE, AND YOU WILL SEE ME OFTEN BECAUSE I'LL BE HERE AS WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP, AND THE CEMETERY WILL COME UP SEVERAL TIMES AGAIN, I'M SURE, AND AS WE GET CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THAT, WE'LL HAVE A MORE CLEAR AND DECISIVE PLAN HOW THE LAND GETS LAID OUT.
OKAY. I'M GOING TO HOLD YOU TO THAT.
THAT'S FINE. IF I'M STILL AROUND.
MY NAME IS BRYAN KIERNAN WITH LK DEVELOPMENT.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE.
I ALSO HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT YOUR CONCERN WITH BULLDOZERS.
WE ARE SAYING I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE THE POINTER, SO I'M JUST WE'RE STAYING INSIDE THIS BOUNDARY RIGHT HERE, THAT'S ALL WE'RE ALLOWED TO DISTURB.
WE WILL NOT BE BEHIND THIS AT ALL.
OKAY? WE OUR LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE DO NOT ALLOW US TO GO ANYWHERE NEAR THIS WITH THIS PARCEL.
WE CAN'T. I CANNOT PUT A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT BACK BEHIND THE WETLANDS OR ANYTHING WE WILL BE WORKING WITH INSIDE THE PROPERTY LINES OF POD I THAT WILL BE WHERE WE'RE WORKING AT. SO SOME OF US WILL BE GOING THERE ON A REGULAR BASIS TO CLEAN UP AND DO MAINTENANCE ON THAT CEMETERY, BECAUSE WE CARE.
NOT A PROBLEM TO YOUR WORD ABOUT THAT.
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SO BEFORE YOU GO FURTHER ON THAT, DO YOU HAVE THOSE PHOTOS YOU CAN SHARE WITH COUNCIL? YES, I HAVE THEM UP.OKAY. THERE IS ONE RIGHT THERE THAT WAS TAKEN ON SUNDAY AT THE CEMETERY.
IF YOU CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE JESS? THAT'S THE MARKER THAT MARKS THE BOUNDARY OF THE CEMETERY.
IT'S ABOUT 0.8 SOMETHING OF AN ACRE THE SIZE OF THE CEMETERY.
NOW, THE FOLKS WHO WERE THERE ON SUNDAY WERE ALSO ABLE TO FLAG SEVERAL INDENTATIONS IN THE GROUND, AND ACCORDING TO THE JASPER COUNTY CEMETERY BOOK, PAGE 23, THERE'S ABOUT 30 TO 40 UNMARKED GRAVES IN THERE.
NOW, LET ME PUT THIS INTO PERSPECTIVE.
THERE IS A RICE PADDY ACROSS THE STREET IN MARGARITAVILLE, IN THE CAR TRACK THAT'S JUST GETTING READY TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR PROTECTION BY SHIPPO, AND THIS IS NOT THAT MUCH OF A DISTANCE TO THIS CEMETERY.
IT IS A BLACK CEMETERY, AND THE FOLKS WHO ARE BURIED IN THERE, I THINK THE EARLIEST PERSON THAT WAS BURIED IN THERE WAS IN 1880.
AND THAT PERSON WAS 75 YEARS OLD.
THE SECOND ONE WAS BURIED IN 1808? NO, IN 1880, AGAIN IN 1823, 1906, AND IN 1945.
THAT'S HOW THE BURIAL DAYS HAVE GONE IN THERE.
SO, AND SOME OF THOSE FOLKS, I THINK THE YOUNGEST ONE WHO WAS BORN, WHO WAS BURIED IN 1945, WAS JUST 15 YEARS OLD, AND ALL THE OTHERS WERE 84, 72 AND 75.
SO THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THIS COULD BE A SLAVE CEMETERY, AND THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN BECAUSE I DON'T I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT US ERASING HISTORY, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T PROTECT OUR HISTORY AND WE ARE NEGLIGENT ABOUT THAT, IT'S A SAD DAY, ACTUALLY, NOT JUST FOR HARDEEVILLE, IT'S FOR SOUTH CAROLINA, AND THAT IS WHY I'M LIKE A BROKEN RECORD ON THIS, BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF MY PASSIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS CEMETERY IS PROTECTED.
SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.
THANK YOU, AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS HAVING SHIPPO HAS LOOKED AT THIS SIDE, AND I BELIEVE THERE IS A 50 FOOT BUFFER THAT THEY REQUIRE AS WELL.
SO WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT'S GOING TO BE OBVIOUSLY CALLED OUT ON THE PLANS, AND THEN THERE WILL BE LIKE FENCING FOR CONSTRUCTION AT AT THAT LINE OR FURTHER AWAY FROM THE CEMETERY.
BECAUSE MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE 30 TO 40 GRAVES THAT'S UNMARKED THERE.
THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE UNLESS YOU GET GROUND READING WHATEVER YOU CALL THAT MACHINE IN THERE, WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THOSE GRAVES ARE, WE DON'T KNOW.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO ASSUME THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PROPERTY.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY THERE.
SO THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.
YOU'RE WELCOME AND THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN ON SUNDAY.
SO. THE NEXT IS THERE ANOTHER ONE JESS? THERE YOU GO. IS THERE ANOTHER ONE FOR THE CEMETERY? AND THERE'S MORE MARKERS, LIKE I SAID, FOUR MARKERS, AND THE OTHER ONE'S MISSING.
SO YEAH I MEAN THAT'S INCREDIBLE.
OKAY. SO THE NEXT QUESTION WAS, OKAY, THE SIZE OF THE HOMES.
HOW BIG ARE THESE HOMES GOING TO BE SIR? I'LL LET JOHN ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.
WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF DECIDING EXACTLY WHAT HOMES WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THERE, BUT I WOULD ASSUME I WOULD SAY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1400 TO 22 OR 2400FT².
THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPERS THAT THROW THE WORD AFFORDABLE HOUSING AROUND, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT NEED HOUSING IN OUR CITY, SURROUNDING AREAS. WOULD YOU GUYS BE AMENABLE TO HAVING A PERCENTAGE OF YOUR HOMES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD WITH A DISCOUNT TO, SAY, OUR FIRST
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RESPONDERS, OUR NURSES, LAW ENFORCEMENT TEACHERS? WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? MS. GUZMAN I AM NOT ALLOWED.I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION ON BEHALF OF LENNAR.
I'M NOT THE DIVISION PRESIDENT.
THAT WOULD, BUT I CAN ASK HER THAT QUESTION AND WE COULD GET BACK TO COUNCIL ON IT.
SO THIS IS GEARED TOWARDS FAMILIES.
CORRECT. THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING BACK THERE.
ARE THEY GEARED TOWARDS FAMILIES? YES, MA'AM. THEY'LL BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
I DIDN'T SEE A PLAYGROUND MARKED ON THAT MAP.
THERE'S GOING TO BE AN AMENITY, AND TYPICALLY WITH THE LENNAR AMENITY, WE PUT A PLAYGROUND IN.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A PLAYGROUND ON THAT.
SO KEEPING YOU AT YOUR WORD BECAUSE I.
NOT A PROBLEM. WE TYPICALLY INCLUDE PLAYGROUNDS AT OUR AMENITY SITES.
MY MEMORY I WILL NOT FORGET AND I WILL HOUND YOU ON THAT.
SO THE LAST ISSUE THAT I HAD WAS LIKE WITH WHAT MR. MEERSMAN BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION ZONE, AND I KNOW MR. MAYOR HAD GONE DOWN RED DAM AND SAW WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION ROAD THAT YOU GUYS HAD PROPOSED AND I WOULD NOT HAVE SUPPORTED THAT EITHER, BECAUSE GOING AROUND THAT BEND TO ENTER THE SCHOOL WITH SCHOOL BUSSES AND ALL OF THAT STUFF, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A DISASTER, BUT JESS, CAN WE HAVE THE START, THE TRAFFIC STUFF.
THIS IS THE MOST RECENT ACCIDENT THAT TOOK PLACE ON THE 29TH OF SEPTEMBER.
YOU SEE THE CHAOS AT THAT INTERSECTION THERE? THERE WAS TWO CARS AND A MOTORCYCLE.
CAN WE HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE? SEE THAT? I MEAN, PEOPLE TRYING TO GET THROUGH ON THE THROUGH ROADS.
SO THIS ONE, RIGHT? OKAY. THAT'S THE AFTERMATH OF THE ACCIDENT.
SOMEBODY'S MOTORCYCLE JUST GONE.
ALL RIGHT, SO I'M SITTING HERE AT THE INTERSECTION, AND I'M WATCHING THIS DUMP TRUCK GO BY.
CROSSED, GOING TOWARDS LENNAR, AND THEN ANOTHER DAY I WAS SITTING AT THE INTERSECTION, AND I SEE THIS 18 WHEELER SITTING AT THE INTERSECTION AND SEE WHERE HE IS IN REGARD TO WHERE HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE, AND THAT'S THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION THERE.
HALF HIS TRUCK IS IN THE INTERSECTION WHILE HE'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT INTERSECTION, WE HAVE THROUGH TRAFFIC GOING WESTBOUND ON 278.
THERE HE IS ALL THE WAY IN THE INTERSECTION.
TRAFFIC STILL GOING BY, AND THERE HE FINALLY MAKES THE TURN INTO HILTON HEAD LAKES.
THAT IS A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN.
LOGGING TRUCKS ALREADY GOING DOWN HILTON HEAD, LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.
THERE YOU GO. FULL THEY ARE GOING I MEAN EVERY DAY.
NOW, SINCE YOU GUYS WERE NOT ABLE TO FIND A CONSTRUCTION ROAD, I TOOK THE LIBERTY.
I ACTUALLY TOOK YOUR ADVICE, MR. MAYOR, AND I WENT DRIVING AROUND, SO.
YOU SEE MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE OUT THERE.
YOU HAVE TRAFFIC COMING OFF OF EXIT 8 95 TAKE A LEFT WITH A DEDICATED GREEN TURN SIGNAL.
GO UP MEDICAL CENTER DRIVE AND HANG A RIGHT AT THAT JASPER COUNTY AT THE PARK THING THERE.
NOW RIGHT BEFORE YOU HIT THE SCHOOL ZONE ON THE SIDE OF THE SCHOOL PROPERTY ITSELF.
HOW DO I MAKE THIS THING WORK? THE LIGHT THING? HIT PRESS THE GREEN BUTTON.
GREEN BUTTON RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
OH, I SEE THAT. OKAY, THIS HERE IS THE JASPER PARK ROAD THING, AND ON THE SIDE HERE IS A DIRT ROAD, AND GUESS WHERE IT GOES SMACK DAB INTO THE MIDDLE OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT NOW.
BEFORE ANYBODY SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT SAYING THAT, YOU CANNOT GO THERE.
I WAS BY THE POWER STATION TRYING TO RUN A DRONE UP IN THE AIR TO LOOK AT SOME STUFF.
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I SAW SEVERAL CLELAND SITE PREP TRUCKS COMING DOWN THIS ROAD HERE, AND I FOLLOWED ONE OUT.THEY FOLLOWED THAT SAME PATH BACK OUT HERE AND BACK OUT ONTO 95.
SO THERE IS A CONSTRUCTION ROAD THERE, DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH THE SCHOOL.
NOW, IF YOU SAY THAT ONE'S NOT GOING TO WORK, I FOUND YOU ANOTHER ONE.
SO THIS ONE COMING OFF OF 17 AND 95.
YEAH, A LITTLE BIT OF IT GOES INTO OKATIE CLUB PROPERTY COMES ALL THE WAY BACK DOWN HERE AGAIN BACK INTO YOUR PROPERTY CONSTRUCTION ROAD.
THIS IS A HUNTING APP AND IT GIVES YOU ALL THE ROADS AND EVERYTHING.
IT'S JUST THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO JUST GO THERE AND LOOK AND LOOK FOR THEM.
THE SAME WAY THAT I'M LOOKING FOR STUFF AND FINDING STUFF.
I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT YOU GUYS HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND IT.
I MEAN, THAT APP THAT I GOT ALL THIS STUFF FROM IS 30 BUCKS.
I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT.
SURE. WE DO USE THOSE CARDS LOGGING ROADS.
GOOD FOR BIG TRAFFIC, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS IN THAT PROPERTY, ALL THE SWALES AND ALL THE DRAINAGE DITCHES, WE CAN'T CUT THOSE OFF, AND THEN THE WHOLE THING FLOODS. SO WE ARE WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE MAPS, WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE ROADS.
AND WE ARE CONSIDERING THAT, ESPECIALLY ON THE LARGER PIECE.
WE DID LOOK AT THE POD I AS USING THAT, BUT IT'S NOT ADJACENT TO POD I AND THOSE ROADS ARE AVAILABLE IF CLELAND NEEDS TO CUT ACROSS THE MAIN ROAD SECTION, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT IS DEVELOPMENT, THAT ONE SECTION THAT IS POD I IS LENNAR'S PROPERTY, AND AS THE MASTER DEVELOPER, WE ARE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT ACCESS POINTS AND THOSE ROADS THAT YOU WERE POINTING TO. OKAY, SO MY QUESTION HERE'S ANOTHER ONE.
OKAY. SO THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT LIGHT DOES NOT HAVE A GREEN.
WE DON'T HAVE A GREEN DEDICATED TURN ARROW INTO HILTON HEAD LAKE.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES LIKE THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION, AND WE HAVE THROUGH TRAFFIC GOING WESTBOUND, EASTBOUND, THAT'S A POTENTIAL ACCIDENT THAT'S WAITING TO HAPPEN, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A SMALL ACCIDENT WITH THESE BIG RIGS OUT THERE.
IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG ONE, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO DIE OUT THERE.
I AGREE, IS THAT DOT THAT WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THAT, AND WAIT A SECOND, AND SOMEBODY TOLD ME AT THE LAST MEETING THAT IT WILL TAKE A YEAR FOR DOT TO ADD TWO TURN LANES AND THE GREEN TURN ARROW. DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR ARGENT FOR THEM TO GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER ON ARGENT BOULEVARD SHORTCUT ROAD? THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT JUST THE OTHER DAY ON SHORTCUT ROAD.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT FOR ONE SECOND, SIR, AND I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE ON THESE ROADS WITH ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC, AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD BAD ACCIDENTS, AND NOW THAT'S BEEN CONSIDERED ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS IN THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE.
SO AND HERE'S ONE OF THOSE BEAUTIFUL CONSTRUCTION.
LOOK AT THAT. LOOK HOW BEAUTIFUL THAT ROAD IS.
I MEAN, CLELAND SITE PREP TRUCKS WERE UP AND DOWN THIS ROAD WHEN I WAS UP THERE.
SO AND THERE'S ONE OF YOUR LOGGING TRUCKS BROKEN DOWN ON THE SIDE OF HILTON HEAD LAKES BOULEVARD.
THE GUY JUST BROKE DOWN THERE, AND I PULLED OVER AND I ASKED HIM IF HE WAS OKAY BECAUSE HE WAS SITTING IN THE SHADE SWEATING, AND I THOUGHT HE HAD SOME KIND OF A MEDICAL EMERGENCY. SO I STOPPED, PULLED OVER, AND HE SAYS, NO HIS TRUCK BROKE DOWN AND HE WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO COME AND UNLOAD THOSE THOSE LOGS.
NOW I AM THAT'S THE KIND OF PERSON I AM.
I DON'T FOCUS ON OTHER THINGS, BUT PEOPLE THERE YOU GO AGAIN BARRELING DOWN THE UP THE ROAD.
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AND ALL THE BIG RIGS GOING UP AND DOWN THERE, THE LACK OF A GREEN LEFT TURN SIGNAL, YOU ARE PRACTICALLY TAKING YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HANDS WHEN YOU TRY TO CROSS INTO HILTON HEAD LAKES, AND IT'S A BLINKER.I HAVE RUN THE RED LIGHT MANY TIMES.
CHIEF, YOU DIDN'T HEAR THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO MAKE THAT TURN.
SO AS YOU GUYS CONTINUE YOUR LOGGING AND CLEARING AND DOING ALL OF THAT STUFF, I HEAR BANDSAWS EARLY IN THE MORNING AT 6:30 WHEN I'M OUT THERE WITH MY DOGS, I HEAR THE BANDSAWS GOING BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE STILL CLEAR CUTTING, AND THEN I SEE THE LOGGING TRUCKS.
MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SENT ME PICTURES OF THE LOGGING TRUCKS AT 6:30 7:00 IN THE MORNING.
I AM VERY WORRIED ABOUT THAT INTERSECTION, VERY WORRIED ABOUT IT.
I AM JUST PETRIFIED THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO LOSE THEIR LIFE ON THAT ROAD, AND YOU ALL NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT GETTING A CONSTRUCTION ROAD WHERE YOU HAVE A GREEN TURN SIGNAL AND A SAFETY, A SAFER WAY TO GET YOUR CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS IN AND OUT OF THE ZONE, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
YES. THANK YOU, AND THE MAYOR ALSO HAD A CONCERN THERE WITH THOSE TURN LANES AT THAT INTERSECTION.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY.
I BELIEVE WE GAVE THE CITY A PROPOSAL.
MAYBE IT WAS LAST WEEK TO DESIGN THAT AND TO EXTEND THOSE LEFT TURN LANES.
IF IF IT'S APPROVED TO PROCEED, AND IN THE MEANTIME, THOSE TRUCKS ARE STILL IN THE MEANTIME, THOSE TRUCKS ARE GOING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD AND DOING ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO IF I MAY INTERJECT, YESTERDAY MORNING I LEFT LATITUDE MARGARITAVILLE, AND ONE OF THE LOGGING TRUCKS WAS IN THE INTERSECTION WAITING TO TURN INTO HILTON HEAD LAKES, BUT HE BLOCKED MY LEFT TURN ONTO 278 AS HE SAT THERE.
SO I HAD TO SIT THROUGH A LIFE CYCLE UNTIL HE GOT THROUGH.
IT IS A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
IT'S A TERRIBLY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION AND I APPRECIATE WHAT LENNAR IS DOING.
I THINK THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS WORTHY OF IT, BUT WE HAVE TO BE SAFE FOR THE CITIZENS FIRST.
YES, AND I KNOW THE CITY WORKS WITH DOT.
BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS.
SO YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT'S TAKEN, RIGHT? I DO, YES. OKAY.
SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE MORE THAN A YEAR FOR THAT INTERSECTION TO GET GOING.
ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR. I TOLD YOU, IT'LL BE SHORT.
IF YOU TOLD ME IT WAS LONG, I WOULD HAVE CALLED OUT FOR DINNER.
THAT LEFT INTO HILTON HEAD LAKES IS NOT A PROTECTED LEFT AT THIS TIME.
WE CAN WORK WITH SCDOT AND BEAUFORT COUNTY BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO MAINTAIN THE SIGNAL AND ADJUST THE SIGNAL TIMINGS, AND WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THAT A PROTECTED LEFT MUCH SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
THAT'S EASILY DONE AS LONG AS WE CAN GET APPROVAL FROM THEM.
THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE CONSTRUCTION OR ANYTHING.
THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF PROGRAMING.
WE'LL TAKE THAT UP TOMORROW ACTUALLY, AND RUN THAT UP THE CHAIN AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS, AND AS NATHAN SAID, YES, WE ARE ENTERTAINING PROPOSALS RIGHT NOW TO DO THE LENGTHENING OF THE LEFT TURN LANES AND MAKING DUAL LEFTS INTO BOTH MARGARITAVILLE AND HILTON HEAD LAKES.
SO, BUT THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE, MATT, IS RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THOSE 18 WHEELERS GOING IN AND OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT A DEDICATED LEFT TURN SIGNAL, AND THEY ARE BLOCKING AN ENTIRE INTERSECTION TO THROUGH TRAFFIC.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE TRAFFIC FLYING DOWN.
YOU SAW THE PICTURES. I DIDN'T MAKE IT UP, AND THE REASON I DID DO A SHOW AND TELL, BECAUSE I WANT TO HIT THE POINT HOME AS TO HOW DANGEROUS THIS IS. BECAUSE IF I CAN SIT HERE AND TALK TILL THE COWS COME HOME, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A VISUAL AND YOU CANNOT SEE WHAT I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU, I MIGHT AS WELL JUST ZIP IT AND JUST SIT HERE.
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THE ONLY WAY I CAN HIT THAT POINT ACROSS IS BY DOING WHAT I JUST DID.THOSE 18 WHEELERS SIT AND BLOCK THE INTERSECTION.
WE UNDERSTAND. WE SEE IT TOO, AND AGAIN, AS I SAID, SO WE CAN WORK ON GETTING THAT PROTECTED, AND AS FAR AS THE HOUSE IS COMING DOWN THE LINE, I KNOW THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE LOGGING AND CLEARING AND DOING ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
AGAIN AND AS I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET THE DEDICATED LEFT VERY SOON.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO RELATIVELY QUICKLY.
YES, SIR. WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP, I THINK.
I KNOW, BUT DON'T TAKE THE POINT IS DON'T TAKE ANY PUSHBACK.
OKAY, I UNDERSTAND, AND MS. GUZMAN MY COW HASN'T COME HOME IN MONTHS, AND I'M WORRIED SICK.
I'M JUST KIDDING. [LAUGHTER] YEAH.
YEAH, YEAH. MR. WHITE. I THINK THAT EVERYTHING THAT HAS NEEDED TO BE SAID HAS BEEN SAID, AND I THINK THE MESSAGE IS PAY ATTENTION AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN A PARTNERSHIP HERE, AND WE HAVE TRUST IN YOU AS PROFESSIONALS AND DEVELOPERS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, AND WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE MATT WORKING WITH YOU AND OTHERS, AND SO WE WANT YOU TO DO A GOOD JOB AND WE TRUST YOU AND WE WANT THIS TO BE SAFE, AND I THINK MS. GUZMAN RAISED SOME EXCELLENT POINTS TO BE PAID ATTENTION TO.
AT THE SAME TIME, THIS ISN'T NEW NEWS TO YOU BEING PROS IN THIS BUSINESS, WE ASSUME, AND SO PAY ATTENTION AND LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S SAFE, AND WE'RE NOT REGRETTING THAT WE DIDN'T GET THE RIGHT KIND OF TURN LANES IN OR DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE ON THESE PROJECTS.
THANK YOU. MR. CARROLL. PRETTY WELL ECHOING WHAT EVERYBODY SAID TONIGHT.
IT'S AN INCONVENIENCE SOME TIME WITH ALL THESE TRUCKS AND THINGS.
AND I KNOW THAT LEFT TURN IS BAD.
SO LET'S DO THE BEST YOU CAN AND TRY TO WORK WITH US, AND HOPEFULLY THE DOT WILL WORK ALONG WITH US TOO, AND JOHN, YOU'RE HEARING OUR FEEDBACK TOO, RIGHT? GOOD, I APPRECIATE THAT.
AS I PROMISED, NOW IT'S MY TURN, AND I'M NOT GOING TO PROMISE I'LL BE SHORT.
I'LL BE WHAT I AM, BUT AS I PROMISED, I WILL GO OVER ALL THE PAST NOTES, AND BECAUSE I'VE DONE A LOT OF SITE VISITS AND RESEARCH OF MY OWN.
FIRST OF ALL, THE MAIN THING THAT WAS FIRST BROUGHT TO US WAS ABOUT THE ROAD MAINTENANCE, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A WRITTEN AGREEMENT THAT IS IN PLACE AND YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE FIXING THE ROAD AND THE ROADS BEING TAKEN CARE OF.
YES, SIR. WE SENT A NOTIFICATION OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.
THINK IT WENT OUT YESTERDAY? IT SHOULD HAVE VIA THE HOA MANAGER.
THE REPAIRS ON THE ROAD WILL BE MADE TUESDAY AND LK DEVELOPMENT IS TAKING CARE OF IT.
OKAY, AND THERE'S THE LK DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF ANY ROAD MAINTENANCE.
THAT'S THE RESULT OF THE TRAFFIC? YES, AND CONTRACTORS.
NOW WE'RE GETTING THOSE REPAIRED AND THERE WILL BE MONITORING AS THE LOGGING TRUCKS COME IN, AS ALL THE TRUCKS COME IN, AND CONTRACTORS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ANY DAMAGE THAT IS CAUSED BY THE CONTRACTORS OR HEAVY CONSTRUCTION WILL BE BROUGHT UP TO THE HOA TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THEN THE CONTRACTORS WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE.
YES, WE'VE GOT THAT IN WRITING.
LET THE HOA KNOW BOTH LK DEVELOPMENT AND LENNAR.
THOUGH AS THE MASTER DEVELOPER, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE THAN JUST LENNAR IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO ANY BUILDER THAT COMES IN OR DEVELOPER THAT COMES IN IS GOING TO BE UNDER THE SAME MAINTENANCE AND MONITORING AND PUT ON NOTICE, AND THAT'S BASICALLY HOW WE'RE GOING TO MANAGE THAT PROJECT.
NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE NORMALLY DO.
THANK YOU, AND I WANT TO ALSO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR INTERCEDING.
THIS IS AN HOA SITUATION, BUT LIKE ANY RESIDENT WHO COMES BEFORE THIS COUNCIL AND ASKS FOR OUR HELP, WE WILL, AND I COMPLIMENT THE COUNCIL AND EVERYONE INVOLVED FOR INTERCEDING AND MAKING SURE THAT TOOK PLACE,
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AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION THERE.THE NEXT THING I DID IS I WENT TO SEE A CEMETERY, AND I TOOK THE LITTLE LOGGING ROAD THAT MRS. GUZMAN HAD SHOWN US UP HERE.
THAT CEMETERY IS OBVIOUSLY INACCESSIBLE FROM THIS POD AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 700FT THROUGH WETLANDS, THAT'S A LONG PERIOD.
IT'S ONE THAT NO TRUCK IS EVER GOING TO GO THROUGH.
SO I WENT AROUND THAT LOGGING ROAD AND I WENT TO THE CLOSEST ACCESSIBILITY TO THAT CEMETERY, WHICH IS THROUGH THE ROAD THAT GOES PAST THE SUBSTATION.
THE DATES YOU MENTIONED ARE INDICATION OF THAT.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, OTHER THAN I WENT BEFORE LAST SUNDAY.
NOBODY'S BEEN BACK THERE PROBABLY IN DECADES.
THAT SUBSTATION HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 2005.
I HAD DOMINION TAKE ME BACK THERE AND THAT'S THEIR SUBSTATION.
I RAN INTO SOME CLELAND PEOPLE.
HE SAID, YOU GOING IN THERE? I SAID, I DOUBT IT BECAUSE HE SAID, I'VE KILLED A LOT OF SNAKES IN THERE.
SO IF ANYBODY WENT IN THERE SUNDAY, ALL I CAN SAY IS CONGRATULATIONS FOR SURVIVING THE EXPERIENCE BECAUSE IT'S DANGEROUS. THERE'S ONE LADY RIGHT THERE WHO WENT TO THE CEMETERY ON SUNDAY, MISS KATHLEEN.
YES? I HOPE YOU HAD YOUR SNAKE BOOTS ON.
THE DOMINION GUY WAS GOING TO GO IN THERE.
I SAID, I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE YOUR LIFE ON MY HANDS, AND I TOLD HIM, DON'T GO.
THE POINT IS, THIS CEMETERY IS ABANDONED.
MY COMPLIMENTS TO BOTH OF YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THIS CEMETERY.
THE WHAT AND I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO IN THERE ON A REGULAR BASIS AND MAINTAIN IT.
AGAIN, MY COMPLIMENTS, I WOULD TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER.
TRY TO CONTACT THE FAMILIES AND.
WE'RE WORKING ON THAT, AND PRESERVE IT.
MRS. KATHLEEN, I'M GOING TO SEND YOU TO THE PSYCHIATRIST, YOU AND VALERIE HERE.
OKAY. SO BUT AGAIN, THE POINT IS THIS IT DOES NOT AFFECT POD 1.
I WOULD NOT GO INTO THAT WOODS.
THERE WAS ALSO AND I'M GOING TO BRING IT UP BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT WAS NOT MENTIONED IN THE QUESTIONS, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS IN A DIFFERENT POD ABOUT AN ARCHEOLOGICAL SITE THAT I JUST WANT TO SAY TO THE PUBLIC THAT IS NOT AFFECTING THIS PARTICULAR POD.
THAT ARCHEOLOGICAL SITE IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THIS.
NOW, YOU MAY COME BACK TO US IN THE NEXT PHASE, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAMMER YOU ON THAT THEN, BUT NOT FOR THIS ONE. SO I JUST WANT TO TELL EVERYBODY THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE IN OUR DETERMINATION OF THIS SITE.
I ALSO WENT TO VISIT THE NEIGHBORS LOCATION AND THE BUFFER YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
CAN WE PUT THAT SITE BACK UP THE ONE THE MAP THAT SHOWS WHERE THEY ARE? REMEMBER MRS. GUZMAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TEN FEET.
DO WE HAVE ANY OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ALONG RED DAM ROAD THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT? NO. OKAY.
SO. YOU'LL SEE WHERE MRS. GUZMAN SAID ON ON THE BOTTOM, THE BLUE LINE THERE, THOSE TWO HOMES IN CIRCLES WHICH ARE OFF TO THE SIDE, ARE TWO HOMES THAT ARE SET BACK OFF RED DAM ROAD, BUT NOT ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHERE THAT IS.
THEY HAVE A WOODED SECTION IN THE BACK OF THERE, AND THAT'S THAT 22FT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.
I DON'T SEE THAT BEING AFFECTED.
I DID GO TO THE OTHER SITE, WHICH IS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
YOU SEE THAT ONE THERE? THAT'S THE OTHER ONE THAT'S CLOSEST.
ALL THE REST ARE THAT IS OFF RED DAM ROAD AND IT'S A GRAVEL ROAD.
THERE'S A LOT OF MOBILE HOMES BACK THERE, AND I DROVE BACK THERE.
DO YOU HAVE THE PICTURE? I OH, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO OPERATE THIS THING, YOU KNOW NOW.
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SO.[LAUGHTER] OKAY. SO THAT'S THE BACK OF THAT OTHER SITE.
THERE WAS I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BACK WHAT THAT IS.
IT'S GRAVEL. I'M SURPRISED I DIDN'T GET A FLAT TIRE, BUT YOU SEE THERE'S A POND THERE.
I WASN'T GETTING OUT OF THE CAR THERE EITHER, BUT THERE'S A WOODED AREA.
SO WHEN WHATEVER THAT SIDE, THAT'S THE CLOSEST PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO THAT'S AGAIN WE'RE NOT DESTRUCTING THAT PICKUP TRUCKS QUALITY OF LIFE IF WE BUILD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT THING. SO I THINK THAT'S A MOOT POINT, BUT AGAIN, WHOEVER BROUGHT THIS UP AND GOT ME CURIOUS TO GO OUT THERE, THANK YOU.
BECAUSE THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS AND WHY I ALWAYS SAY, GO CHECK THE SITE BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING TO LOOK AT MAPS, IT'S ANOTHER THING TO GO VISIT THE SNAKES.
MS. GUZMAN ASKED THE MONTH AND A HALF AGO ON THE ACCIDENT REPORT, AND THERE HAVE BEEN IN 2023, ACCORDING TO THE CHIEF, AND HE GAVE THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER AT MRS. GUZMAN'S REQUEST.
THERE WERE THREE ACCIDENTS THERE VERSUS FIVE IN ALL OF 2022.
THERE HAVE BEEN NO PEOPLE INJURED THERE, AND I BRING THAT UP FOR A REASON, AND I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND.
IF WE GO AND LOOK AT THE CONSTRUCTION ROADS THAT MRS. GUZMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S GOING TO DIVERT ALL THESE BIG TRUCKS DOWN RED DAM ROAD, WHICH IS A TWO LANE ROAD.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO COME FROM TO GET TO ANY ROAD THAT YOU POTENTIALLY SET.
IF THEY DO COME FROM THE OTHER WAY, THEY'RE GOING TO GO PAST THE HOSPITAL.
THEY'RE GOING TO GO PAST THE COUNTY PARK, THEY'RE GOING TO GO PAST THE GOLF THING WHERE STUDENTS GO TO LEARN GOLF AND PEOPLE HAVE DISC GOLF. WE'RE GOING TO DIVERT TRAFFIC THAT'S UNCONTROLLED ONTO TWO LANE COUNTRY ROADS WITHOUT ANY CONTROL.
WHEREAS OPPOSED TO IF IT GOES UP LAKESIDE BOULEVARD, THAT CAN BE CONTROLLED BY A COUPLE OF WAYS.
NUMBER ONE FROM THE DEVELOPER AND THE BUILDER.
THEY CAN FIND THE PEOPLE AND ALSO IT CAN BE BY INTERNAL SECURITY.
IT CAN BE CONTROLLED ONCE THOSE TRUCKS GO ON RED DAM ROAD.
TO ME, IT IS NOT GOOD PUBLIC POLICY TO DIVERT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ONTO ROADS THAT PUT THE REST OF OUR CITIZENS AT RISK, AND I WOULD NEVER, I AM ABSOLUTELY AGAINST GOING ON A PUTTING IN CONSTRUCTION ROADS THAT WILL PUT OTHER RESIDENTS AT RISK, THAT DON'T HAVE A LIGHT, THAT ARE WINDING TWO LANE ROADS, AND THE SAME THING IS GOING TO COME UP WITH MARGARITAVILLE WHEN THE CAR TRACK COMES.
IT'S NOT FAIR TO ASK THE RESIDENTS OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY TO BEAR THE BURDEN OF THESE TRUCKS AND ALL THIS TRAFFIC.
IT'S JUST NOT FAIR AND I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
NO OTHER DEVELOPMENT, SUN CITY I'VE LIVED THROUGH MONTHS IN TWO DIFFERENT HOMES OF CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES GOING PAST MY HOME, AND IT'S NOT TO ME, AND I WALK MY DOG EVERY DAY.
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AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE I DON'T WANT TO GET ON MY SOAPBOX HERE, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.WHEN WE SIGN UP HERE, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE CITY OF OF HARDEEVILLE, NOT JUST FOR HILTON HEAD LAKES, NOT JUST FOR MARGARITAVILLE OR NOT JUST FOR SUN CITY, AND I THINK DIVERTING CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC INTO OTHER AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE LIGHTS THAT ARE SMALLER ROADS IS IRRESPONSIBLE IN MY ESTIMATION, AND I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THAT.
THE AS FAR AS THE STUFF TAKING PLACE IN TERMS OF FIXING THAT LIGHT, I MEAN, WE WENT FOR YEARS.
I MEAN, SINCE THE DAY I ARRIVED HERE, THAT LIGHT IS GOING TO BE THE CURE ALL, AND NOW IT'S NOT.
WE HAVE, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU SOME STATISTICS.
SO THOSE HOMES WILL CLOSE NEXT YEAR.
AT THE RATE, LET'S SAY THAT SEVEN A MONTH.
SO IF LENNAR SELLS SEVEN A MONTH.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE APPROXIMATELY SIX YEARS FROM THE TIME THEY START TO BUILD OUT.
I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT PULTE WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THE EAST ARGENT SUN CITY THING.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT AT BEST IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, TWO YEARS BEFORE THEY EVEN CLOSE ON A HOME.
ON TOP OF THE SIX YEARS IT WILL TAKE TO BUILD OUT.
WE'RE TALKING EIGHT YEARS BEFORE THIS IS FINISHED.
EVEN AS A SCDOT WILL GO FASTER THAN THAT.
THE PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD AT ON ARGENT BOULEVARD AT SHORTCUT ROAD IS NOT SCDOT.
IT'S NOT THE CITY TRYING TO GET IT GOING.
IT'S A WATER PIPE THAT HAS TO BE MOVED, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.
WE'RE WORKING ON OTHER LIGHTS OF ARGENT BOULEVARD.
WE'RE WORKING ON LIGHTS TO FIX THE LIGHT AT LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.
THESE THINGS TAKE TIME AND NO ONE WANTS TO PUT ANYBODY AT RISK, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU DON'T WANT TO KILL SOMEBODY AT LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.
SO I THINK THAT I'M PRETTY ADAMANT ON THIS.
I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE AND I WANT TO AGAIN, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE COUNCIL.
I WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE PUBLIC WHO'S COME OUT AND BROUGHT THESE THINGS TO OUR ATTENTION WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME. THIS IS OUR THIRD MEETING TALKING ON THIS.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'VE RUSHED INTO, AND I COMPLIMENT THE COUNCIL FOR DOING THAT.
I COMPLIMENT THE, THE PUBLIC FOR COMING IN AND HELP GUIDE US IN OUR DECISIONS.
I GOT AN EMAIL, I GOT SOME NASTY ONES, BUT I GOT AN EMAIL FROM A RESIDENT.
IS MR. BIGGS HERE? NO, BUT HE MADE A VERY GOOD POINT.
HE SAID I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS BECAUSE WITH 450 NEW HOMES, THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE 450 NEW HOMES AND PROVIDING MONEY TO THE HOA, WHICH WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO THE HOA AND THE MAINTENANCE AND WHATEVER THOSE HOA FUNDS GO TOWARDS.
SO THERE'S SOME POSITIVES TO THIS THAT HAVE COME OUT AS WELL, AND SO I THINK FOR ME.
THAT'S 100% PERFECT, AND WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS TO WORK ON AND MAKE SURE THE HILTON HEAD LAKES AND THE SURROUNDING PUBLIC ARE PROTECTED AND THEY'VE BEEN BROUGHT OUT HERE, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THAT LIGHT PROPERLY FIXED AND WE'LL GET IT
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BEFORE TOO MUCH GOING ON, AND THERE IS TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW TO THAT ROAD.THERE ARE MORE ACCIDENTS ON ARGENT BOULEVARD, AND THE INTERSECTION OF ARGENT BOULEVARD AND NEW RIVER IS FAR MORE DANGEROUS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE A LIGHT AND ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT GOES SIT THERE AND TAKE PICTURES.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I KNOW, SO WE CAN'T FIX EVERYTHING OVERNIGHT.
THESE THINGS TAKE TIME, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU'VE ALL BROUGHT OUT THESE THINGS.
WE HAVE TIME BEFORE, YES, THERE'LL BE LOGGING TRUCKS.
THERE'S LOGGING TRUCKS ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND HERE'S ANOTHER THING THAT I FORGOT ABOUT DIVERTING THIS TRAFFIC TO RED DAM ROAD.
I CHALLENGE ANYBODY JUST ABOUT ANY TIME OF THE DAY TO GO JOHN SMITH ROAD, AND A LOT OF OUR WORKERS AND THINGS COME DOWN JOHN SMITH ROAD FROM SAVANNAH, AND TRIED TO CROSS AND EVEN GO STRAIGHT, MUCH LESS A LEFT GOING TO GO WEST ON 278, AND I'LL THAT MAKING CROSSING THERE, AND I DID IT THE OTHER DAY TO GO VISIT RED DAM ROAD AND THE RESIDENTS THERE. YOU WILL HAVE TO I WON'T USE MY PHILADELPHIA.
I WON'T BE A COWBOY. [CHUCKLING] THAT IS FAR MORE DANGEROUS THAN ANYTHING AT LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.
TRY TO GO STRAIGHT ACROSS TO 78 OR MAKE A LEFT, AND THAT'S NO LIGHT, AND THAT IS REALLY SOMETHING DANGEROUS. SO SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT YOU ASK FOR, BECAUSE WHAT YOU THINK IS SOLVING SOMETHING IS CREATING SOMETHING WORSE, AND I THINK BY DOING CONSTRUCTION ROADS THAT GO INTO THAT AREA THAT YOU POINTED OUT IS PUTTING ALL THOSE OTHER PEOPLE AT RISK, AND MOST ESPECIALLY OUR CHILDREN, BECAUSE THE BUSSES COME IN ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AND CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC WILL BE COMING FROM ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AND SO I'VE SAID ENOUGH.
ALL RIGHT AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THE PUBLIC TO MAKE COMMENTS, ASK QUESTIONS, WHATEVER.
NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
PAMELA [INAUDIBLE], 95 [INAUDIBLE] HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA.
AT THE WORKSHOP MEETING MR. MAYOR YOU TALKED ABOUT THE WE TALKED DISCUSSED THE MAINTENANCE OF THE ROADWAY.
LAKESIDE BOULEVARD, THE FACT THAT IT'S OWNED BY THE MASTER ASSOCIATION, WHICH THE NORTH OWNERS ASSOCIATION PAYS INTO, AND WE'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT PAY INTO IT AT THE CURRENT TIME. YOU SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT YOU WOULD NOT APPROVE THIS POD DEVELOPMENT UNLESS THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT THE DEVELOPER, LENNAR, WHO IS THE DECLARANT FOR THE MASTER ASSOCIATION, WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE REPAIRS ON LAKESIDE BOULEVARD.
AT THE FIRST READING YOU DID VOTE YES.
THERE IS NOT AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE.
TONIGHT I HEARD FROM LK DEVELOPMENT, WHO OWNS PROPERTY IN THE WEST ARGENT, BUT HAS.
ABSOLUTELY THEY'RE NOT THE DECLARANT OF THE MASTER ASSOCIATION OR WHATEVER.
THERE IS NO AGREEMENT IN PLACE.
YES. THEY LET THE RESIDENTS KNOW THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO THE REPAIRS AT NO COST TO US CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, AND FROM WHAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID FROM LK, HE'S SAYING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO AFTER THE.
CONTRACTORS IF THERE'S DAMAGE ON THE ROAD.
SO FUTURE NOT TODAY FUTURE TWO YEARS CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC GOING UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD.
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THAT'S GOING TO START, AND ALSO RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY BY DREAM FINDERS WHO ARE DOING MAGNOLIA WALK.SO WE'RE STILL ON THE HOOK BECAUSE THERE IS NO AGREEMENT.
HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? YOU SPECIFICALLY STATED, AND IF YOU HAVE A REASON WHY YOU'VE CHANGED YOUR MIND, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW BECAUSE YOU SPECIFICALLY STATED AT THAT WORKSHOP WHEN THERE WERE ALL THE RESIDENTS FROM HILTON HEAD LAKES THERE STATING THAT YOU WOULD NOT APPROVE THIS UNLESS THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE.
I BELIEVE I ASKED THAT QUESTION WHEN I AT MY VERY FIRST QUESTION AND I WAS I HEARD THAT THEY'VE AGREED TO FIX THE ROADS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WHY THAT'S CHANGING MY MIND.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE THIS COUNCIL COULD DO OTHER THAN TO DO WHAT YOU ASKED US TO DO, AND THAT IS TO GET THE DEVELOPER TO AGREE TO THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT ROAD, AND THEY SAID THEY HAVE I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU WANT.
WHAT I HEARD TONIGHT WAS THAT YES, THEY WERE GOING TO FIX THE ROAD.
CURRENTLY IT'S GOING TO BE DONE NEXT WEEK OR WHENEVER.
WE GOT AN EMAIL SENT OUT SAYING, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO FIX THE ROAD RIGHT NOW.
WHAT WAS SAID TONIGHT WAS THAT, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER THE CONTRACTORS FOR ANY DAMAGE TO THE ROAD, BUT THERE'S NO AGREEMENT IN PLACE.
IF THEY DON'T DAMAGE THE ROAD WEAR AND TEAR ON THAT ROAD, THAT WEAR AND TEAR AND THE NORMAL MAINTENANCE OF THAT ROAD IS STILL GOING TO BE PUT ON THE HOMEOWNERS BECAUSE THEY COULD USE THE FUNDS THAT ARE IN THE RESERVE STUDY THAT WERE PART OF THE RESERVE STUDY, WHICH WERE SUPPOSEDLY FOR THE WEAR AND TEAR ON THAT ROAD FOR PRIVATE VEHICLES, NOT CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES, BUT THE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE ROAD IS GOING TO BE MORE A CCELERATED BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THERE'S ALL THESE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES GOING UP AND DOWN.
THERE IS NO AGREEMENT IN PLACE.
THERE IS NO AGREEMENT THAT SAYS DEVELOPMENT OR LENNAR OR WHOEVER TO THE MASTER ASSOCIATION.
YOU ARE NOT FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE ROAD.
I'M ALL FOR DEVELOPING THE LAND UP THERE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE FINANCIAL BURDEN OF THE MILLION DOLLAR MILE. FOR MAINTENANCE WHEN IT COMES TO CONSTRUCTION, TRAFFIC AND THE WEAR AND TEAR AND ACCELERATED WEAR AND TEAR ON THAT ROAD.
SO THAT'S WHAT AS A RESIDENT THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
I'M LOOKING FOR SOME GUARANTEE THAT TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WHEN THAT ROAD NOW HAS WEAR AND TEAR ON IT, THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO USE THE FUNDS THAT WE'VE PUT ASIDE FOR THE EXPECTED LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THAT ROAD, WHICH MAY BE TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD THAT YOU'RE USING OUR FUNDS FOR, TO FIX. BECAUSE THEN AGAIN, IT FALLS BACK ONTO THE RESIDENTS TO FUND THIS THAT IS A DEVELOPER'S RESPONSIBILITY. BRYAN, YOU WANT TO COME UP AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION? HELLO I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, BUCKWALTER PARKWAY HAS THE SAME DESIGN AS THE ROAD THAT IS LAKESIDE VIEW.
IT IS DESIGNED FOR HEAVY TRAFFIC, DESIGNED TO HAVE FIRE TRUCKS, CONCRETE TRUCKS, YOU NAME IT, AND I'M NOT THE ENGINEER, BUT IF YOU DO THE CROSS SECTION, YOU WILL SEE THAT IT'S NOT JUST A TWO INCH ASPHALT, IT'S GOT TWO FEET OF UNDERBASE, IT'S GOT ANOTHER TEN INCHES OF STONE, IT'S GOT FOUR INCHES OF IT'S BUILT EXACTLY LIKE A HIGHWAY.
IT IS DESIGNED FOR THE TRAFFIC THAT HAS NOT BEEN ON THAT ROAD FOR THE LAST 20 TO 30 YEARS.
WHY WE SAY THAT WE HAVE IN WRITING THROUGH THE HOA THAT HAS SAID BASED ON THOSE FACTS, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF EXTRA TRAFFIC.
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SEEN, WE ONLY COULD FIND.WE WERE DRIVING LIKE FIVE MILES AN HOUR, AND FOR SOMEONE THAT IS IN CHARGE OF THAT COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S AN HOA, AND I HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING THERE. IT'S IN MY BEST INTEREST.
IT'S IN A DEVELOPER'S BEST INTEREST TO NOT HAVE ROAD FAILURE.
SO WE HAVE VERY COMFORTABLY SENT TO THE HOA, NOTIFYING THEM IN BOTH EMAIL CONVERSATIONS, DOCUMENTING THE FACT THAT IF THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE ROAD, THEN WE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT.
IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE HOMEOWNERS AS WELL TO ALSO HAVE OTHER BUILDERS OTHER THAN LENNAR OR WHOEVER, HOMEOWNER, OTHER BUILDERS THAT WE HAVE COME IN THERE BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ROAD.
ABSOLUTELY, 100% IF THAT IS HAPPENING.
I KNOW MYSELF AND OR LENNAR OR ANY OTHER BUILDER WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REPAIRING THAT ROAD.
IT WILL NOT COME OUT OF THE HOA.
WE HAVE STATED THAT WE PUT IT IN WRITING AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE GUARANTEED.
WE HAVE HEARD YOU. WE'VE HEARD THE MAYOR.
WE HEARD THE COUNCILMAN AND WOMEN.
NO OFFENSE. SO WE HAVE DOCUMENT AND YOU GUYS MAY OR MAY NOT SEE ME.
I'VE WALKED ACROSS THAT ROAD AND TAKEN PICTURES ON 278.
I KNOW IT'S DANGEROUS AND I GET OUT OF MY CAR.
I WALK OVER AND TAKE PICTURES TO TAKE PICTURES OF DEVELOPMENT.
I'VE RIDDEN MY BICYCLE UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD SEVERAL TIMES.
YOU'VE SEEN THE PARK BENCHES BE YOU'VE SEEN THE DOCKS BEEN PRESSURE WASHED.
SOME OF THAT WAS HOA, SOME OF THAT WAS LENNAR.
THEY'VE COME THROUGH AND WE PUT WE BETWEEN LENNAR AND DEVELOPMENT HAVE DONE THE SOD.
WE'VE PRESSURE WASHED, PAINTED.
I MEAN, IT WAS I MEAN, IT WAS IN DISREPAIR.
THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF MONEY FROM THE RESIDENTS, PUT IT TO THE HOA THAT WE HAVE NOW IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS COMMUNITY, AND AS MORE RESIDENTS COME, MORE MONEY COMES IN, MORE MONEY COMES IN. IT'S LESS BURDEN FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE LIVED THERE.
US, AS DEVELOPERS IT IS US TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND TO LISTEN TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND HEARING IT, BUT WE'RE ALSO THERE TO BRING MORE CUSTOMERS AND MORE HOMEOWNERS IN INTO THE COMMUNITY. SO WE DO HEAR YOU.
OKAY. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES. OKAY.
THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I KEEP NOTES AND I TRY TO MAKE A FOLLOW UP AND IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS QUESTION, WHICH IS THE FIRST THING I BROUGHT UP WHEN I GOT THE FLOOR.
I CONTACTED THE CITY MANAGER, WHO IN TURN CONTACTED MR. KIERNAN AND I GOT A NOTE BACK FROM HIM.
I WENT TO MIKE. I WAS CC'D ON OCTOBER 12TH A WEEK AGO IN ANTICIPATION TO THIS, AND YES, I CONTACTED PATRICK THOMPSON, PRESIDENT OF THE HOA MANAGEMENT COMPANY, TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS PRESENTED FROM THE HOMEOWNERS.
SO IN MY MIND, IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, I GOT A SATISFACTORY ANSWER.
OKAY, AND THAT WAS A WEEK AGO.
WE EMPATHIZE WITH YOU, AND LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS AND SO I EMPATHIZE WITH YOU.
ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT OR QUESTION? I'LL MAKE IT QUICK. OKAY, KATHLEEN.
I JUST WANT TO THANK LENNAR FOR SHOWING THAT CEMETERY ON THE MAP, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS AFTER AFTER THE FACT, IT DID BRING ME GREAT COMFORT TO KNOW THAT IT'S NOT THAT CLOSE.
THE ONLY THING WHEN A ROAD DOES COME DOWN THAT WAY, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE A ROAD TO COME TO THE CEMETERY, BECAUSE WE DO PLAN ON ACKNOWLEDGING THAT CEMETERY, PUTTING A SIGN UP FOR THAT CEMETERY, MAKING SURE THAT IT IS PROTECTED, AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF THOSE BOUNDARIES THAT'S BURIED THERE.
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THIS WAS ONCE THE SITE OF ARGENT LUMBER COMPANY, MASSIVE 37,000 ACRES AND WE ARE TRYING TO TRACK DOWN THE ANCESTORS.SO I JUST WANT TO THANK THEM AND, AND BRING THAT UP AND I'M A BULLDOG FOR CEMETERIES.
I'M NOT GOING IN THERE. I DON'T HAVE SNAKE PITS, [CHUCKLING] BUT I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS AN AWARENESS TO THIS, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL SHARE A CONCERN, A BIG HISTORY BUFF MYSELF. SO I DO APPRECIATE ALL YOUR EFFORTS AND MRS. GUZMAN'S EFFORTS TO BRING AWARENESS TO THAT CEMETERY.
ANYONE ELSE? CAN I MAKE A REBUTTAL STATEMENT? YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
YOU JUST ASK FOR THE FLOOR, AND IF I SAY YES? YOU SAID THAT THE LAST TIME.
OKAY, WHEN I SHOWED THE RED DAM MEDICAL CENTER BOULEVARD, THE RED DAM ROAD AND ALL OF THAT STUFF, THAT WAS JUST ABOUT ONE OPTION.
THE CONSECUTIVE SLIDES THAT I SHOWED WAS WHERE I WENT AND SEARCHED FOR OTHER DIRT ROADS THAT WERE ON THE MAP THAT COULD BE USED, THAT WERE GOING STRAIGHT OUT OF 95, STRAIGHT OFF OF 17, DIRECTLY INTO THE LENNAR DEVELOPMENT, WHERE THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO ANYWHERE, COME UP LAKESIDE, GO DOWN RED DAM MEDICAL CENTER, WHATEVER, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T WANT YOU TO FORGET, THAT I ALSO GAVE THEM OPTIONS.
ANOTHER WAY TO GET A CONSTRUCTION ROAD IN THERE, RED DAM AND MEDICAL CENTER BOULEVARD WAS NOT THE END ALL BE ALL OF A CONSTRUCTION ROAD, AND I GET IT, WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT CONSTRUCTION, ROADS, THE TRAFFIC AND SCHOOL BUSSES AND KIDS AND PEOPLE AND ALL OF THAT.
I GET IT, I GET THAT BUT I ALSO GAVE THEM THE OTHER OPTIONS OF FINDING THE CONSTRUCTION ROADS THAT WERE COMING OFF OF COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC AROUND THEM AT ALL. SO I JUST WANTED TO GET LET YOU KNOW THAT WAS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET CLEAR, AND I UNDERSTOOD IT, AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU PUT INTO IT, AND AGAIN, WE'RE ALL HERE. I THINK I TRUST THAT EVERY ONE OF US UP HERE, AND I TRUST THAT OUR PUBLIC AND THE DEVELOPER TRYING TO COME UP WITH THE BEST PRODUCT, BUT WE ALSO MY POINT IS IN REBUTTAL WHEN I REBUTTED YOU IS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DO NOT PUT TRAFFIC INTO THESE ROADS.
NOW, IF THEY CAN COME UP WITH ANOTHER ROAD THAT'S FINE, BUT THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THAT.
SO I UNDERSTAND I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DID IN IT, BUT AND IF AT SOME POINT ANOTHER ROAD COMES UP, I WOULD ASK OUR, OUR STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND WE DO NOT PUT TRAFFIC ONTO ANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL ROAD AND PUT THOSE ROADS IN JEOPARDY, BUT THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR REBUTTAL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY YOU HAVE ANOTHER REBUTTAL FOR ME.
OKAY. MR. MAYOR, IF I MAY. YES, SIR.
THAT INTERSECTION IS A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION, 278, BOTH SIDES.
WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY FIGURES IT'S FROM OUR OWN FIGURES.
CO, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IN HILTON HEAD LAKES IS 61 THIS YEAR.
THIS IS THROUGH THE END OF SEPTEMBER SO IT'LL PROBABLY BE OVER 500 PERMITS.
LATITUDE HAS 433 ACTIVE PERMITS RIGHT NOW.
I WAS JUST TOLD THAT PHASE SEVEN, WHICH HASN'T EVEN REALLY GOTTEN STARTED YET, HAS 416 HOMES.
SO BY THIS POSSIBLE YEAR AND A HALF TO TWO YEARS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THIS LIGHT, THERE'S A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER 1000 HOMES JUST ON MY SIDE OF THE STREET USING THAT INTERSECTION.
PERSONALLY, I WOULD I UNDERSTAND THE CONSTRUCTION ROADS.
I WOULD LOVE TO FIND THAT ANSWER, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO FIND IT, BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, I HAVE TO HAVE MY RESERVES ABOUT ADDING THE TRUCK TRAFFIC WITH THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT'S COMING OUT OF HERE, AND YES, WE HAVE TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, BUT I'VE GOT 1000 RESIDENTS IN 1500
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HOMES COMPLETED IN MARGARITAVILLE THAT I HAVE TO HEAR FROM.I'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE IN HILTON HEAD LAKES, TOO, ABOUT THE SITUATION MY ANSWER WOULD BE IS YOU DON'T GET ANY CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY UNTIL THAT LIGHT'S FIXED . THAT WOULD BE MY ANSWER.
WE'VE SEEN HOW WORKING ON IT WITH THE STATE HAS GONE.
I'VE HAD ALMOST I'VE HAD TWO CLOSE CALLS THERE IN THE PAST WEEK AND A HALF, AND IT'S NOT JUST TURNING INTO HILTON HEAD LAKES, IT'S TURNING INTO MARGARITAVILLE, TOO.
IT'S A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
I DON'T LIKE TO BE STOPPED THERE AND HAVE TO BE LOOKING IN MY MIRROR, HOPING THE CAR COMING UP BEHIND ME STOPS, AND I THINK BY ADDING THIS ADDED TRUCK TRAFFIC, BOTH SIDES, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE FACING THAT WITH MARGARITAVILLE TOO.
WE ARE JUST COMPOUNDING A PROBLEM THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
THANK YOU, AND AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY MY STATEMENT, I WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET ACROSS IS AT THE RATE BEFORE POD ONE, WHICH IS ALL WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT, OUR DECISION HAS TO BE FOR POD ONE.
IT DOESN'T AFFECT WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
IT'S NOT PART OF OUR DECISION, AND ALL I'M SAYING, WHAT I MEANT TO SAY IS THAT BY THE TIME THE BUILDING STARTS ON THE ADDITIONAL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, THAT THE FIXES AT THAT LIGHT SHOULD BE WELL UNDERWAY IF NOT COMPLETED AND THAT WAS THE POINT.
NOT THAT IT'S MORE OR LESS, BUT THERE ARE FIXES IN PLACE THAT ARE GOING AND THEY WILL BE DONE MOST PROBABLY BEFORE THE TWO YEARS BEFORE WE START CLOSING HOMES IN THIS POD ONE, AND THE POD ONE IS THE DECISION WE'RE MAKING TONIGHT, AND THAT'S THAT'S THE POINT.
OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ANY OTHER COUNCILMAN ANY PUBLIC ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. SEEING NONE, I WOULD LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE 2023-9-21A. MR. MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ON SECOND READING 2023-9-21 A WE HAVE A MOTION.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS BY THE PUBLIC OR COUNCIL? SEEING THE LENGTHY PROCESS THAT WE'VE UNDERTOOK.
I'M GOING TO CALL FOR A ROLL CALL.
MADAM CLERK. CLERK, PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL.
IS THIS THE FIRST TIME I ASKED YOU TO DO THIS? [INAUDIBLE] ALL RIGHT. OKAY.
NOT IN FAVOR. COUNCILMAN CARROLL.
AS MUCH AS I WANT TO SAY YES, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SAY NO BECAUSE.
IT'S THE TRAFFIC THAT'S AT THAT INTERSECTION THAT HAS ME REALLY HOT AND BOTHERED.
RIGHT NOW. THE TRAFFIC IS GOING THROUGH THERE.
IT IS GOING THROUGH THERE AS WE SPEAK.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD OR FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, OR IT'S HAPPENING NOW, TODAY, YESTERDAY, AND IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN TOMORROW.
MAYOR PRO TEM WHITE? YES. MAYOR WILLIAMS. YES. IT PASSES THREE TWO.
OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE NEW BUSINESS.
BEFORE I TURN THIS OVER TO THE ADMINISTRATION, I JUST WANT TO LET THE COUNCIL KNOW THAT AND
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THROUGH EMAILS AND I FORGET, THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED IT, THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT ENTERING INTO ANY AGREEMENT OR ANY SORT OF ALS SERVICE UNTIL WE HAVE A SIGNED, APPROVED AGREEMENT WITH AN IGA WITH THE JASPER COUNTY, AND AS YOU RECALL, I ORIGINALLY HAD ASKED MR. CZYMBOR TO TAKE THIS OFF THE AGENDA.MR. CARROLL AND I SAT WITH ADMINISTRATION AND THE CHIEFS LAST WAS THE LAST FRIDAY, AND REGARDING THIS AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE GETTING AN IGA WITH JASPER COUNTY THAT IS WAS DISCUSSED IN JASPER COUNTY EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THIS PAST MONDAY IN CORRESPONDENCE.
THE WE ARE ABOUT A WEEK TO TWO WEEKS AWAY FROM HAVING A WRITTEN IGA TO APPROVE WITH JASPER COUNTY.
SO I AGREED THE POWER THAT THE COUNCIL GAVE ME AS BEING IN CHARGE OF THE AGENDA, THAT WE WOULD HEAR THIS FOR YOUR VOTE TONIGHT SO THAT EVERYTHING CAN GET IN PLACE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING, IF WE DO PASS THIS, THAT WE WILL NOT BEGIN AMBULANCE SERVICE UNTIL WE HAVE A WRITTEN AGREEMENT APPROVED BY BOTH COUNCILS IN TERMS OF AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT ON HOW THIS WILL OPERATE WITH JASPER COUNTY.
OKAY. SO JUST KNOW THAT AND I'LL ASK THIS QUESTION WHEN THE CHIEF COMES UP TO VERIFY AND GET ON A PUBLIC RECORD THAT THIS IS ALL CONTINGENT UPON AND WILL NOT BE OPERABLE UNTIL WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH JASPER COUNTY.
OKAY, SO, MR. CZYMBOR, CHIEF CAMP, WHO WANTS TO TAKE IT? YES, SIR. SO BASICALLY WHAT THIS ACTION IS, THE CITY HAS AN OFFICIAL FEE SCHEDULE IN WHICH WE CHARGE ALL OUR SPECIFIC FEES.
SO THE PROPER THING WOULD BE TO INCLUDE THESE PROPOSED ALS EMS FEES AS PART OF OUR OFFICIAL FEE SCHEDULE, AND I'M SUPPORTING AND BACKING UP WHAT THE MAYOR SAYS WE HAVE A PROPOSED AGREEMENT IN THE WORKS WITH JASPER COUNTY, AND I BELIEVE THE CHIEF SAID WE'RE GOING TO ALSO DEAL WITH BUFORD COUNTY AND TOWN OF BLUFFTON TO TALK ABOUT ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT AS WELL, AND IN BACKING UP, AND SO WE HAVE A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT.
SO THAT WOULD DOES REQUIRE US TO HAVING IGA TO BASICALLY DO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH WAS SUPPORT THE EFFORTS OF JASPER COUNTY AND THEN AUGMENT THE SERVICES.
SO EVEN IF WE WANTED TO, WE REALLY COULDN'T.
WE CAN'T RUN THE ENTIRE CITY WITH ONE AMBULANCE.
SO ABSOLUTELY, WE NEED THAT AGREEMENT, AND WE KNEW WE HAD WE JUST THOUGHT ORIGINALLY WE THOUGHT WE COULD PUT IT INTO THE FIRE AGREEMENT AND THROUGH THE PROCESSES WITH THE ATTORNEYS, THEY SAID, NO, YOU NEED TO BREAK THAT OUT BECAUSE CHIEF WELLS SIGNS THEIR AUTO MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS WHERE THIS NEEDED TO BE SPECIFICALLY COUNCIL TO COUNCIL.
SO NOW THEY HAD TO BREAK IT OUT OF THE FIRE AGREEMENT AND MAKE A SEPARATE EMS AGREEMENT.
SO ABSOLUTELY, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT BEFORE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ANYWAY.
HE SHOULD HAVE IT IN 1 TO 2 WEEKS.
YEAH. OKAY, LET'S GET BACK IN ORDER.
WELL, I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO MR. CARROLL BECAUSE HE HAS TO LEAVE.
MR. CARROLL, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS? WELL WE SAT IN THAT MEETING, MR. MAYOR, AND WE RESEARCHED THIS PRETTY THOROUGHLY AND WITH STEVE AND JOEY AND HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND THEY INFORMED US OF A LOT.
I THOUGHT I WAS REAL IMPRESSED, AND I THINK THAT YOU GOT YOUR.
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TWO OF THEM EXACTLY, AND THEY ARE ALL ON BOARD FOR THIS, AND MAINLY, I THINK, WAITING ON YOU AND RUSTY TO COME UP WITH.THANK YOU, MR. WHITE. GOOD STAFF WORK.
DEFINITELY IT'S GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY SAFER, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE LIVES AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL.
I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO GET THOSE AGREEMENTS GOING TOGETHER, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE LEGALITIES, BUT ALSO THERE'S MONEY INVOLVED IN UNITS INVOLVED AND PEOPLE INVOLVED AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
SO JUST TO GET THOSE THINGS UP AND RUNNING AND SQUARED AWAY, I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
MR. MEERSMAN. THIS IS JUST ONE MORE STEP IN MAKING THE CITY SELF-SUFFICIENT, AND THANK YOU, CHIEF CAMP, AND ALL THE STAFF AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN MAKING THIS HAPPEN.
THIS WAS JUST KIND OF A PIPE DREAM A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, AND NOW HERE WE ARE AND IT'S JUST AN AMAZING THING, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A SERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU. I LIKE I SAID, I MET WITH THE CHIEF AND I THINK WE HAVE TWO MORE WEEKS TO GET AN IGA.
AS LONG AS WE DO NOT START ANYTHING UNTIL WE HAVE THESE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE.
CERTAINLY WE DON'T WANT TO START AN OPERATION AND THERE'S CONFUSION ABOUT WHO'S GOING.
WE CAN'T HAVE EVERYBODY CONFUSED ABOUT WHO'S DOING WHAT, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT.
LET'S HAVE A WRITTEN AGREEMENT.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY THING.
IT DOESN'T COST THE COUNTY A SINGLE CENT, SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY AREAS OF OF MAJOR CONTENTION, AND I JUST LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THAT PUT TOGETHER AND GETTING THIS ALS AND THAT'S THAT'S IMPORTANT.
THAT'S ADVANCED LIFE SAVING SYSTEM THAT WE'RE PUTTING, PUTTING IN PLACE HERE, AND FROM WHAT YOU'VE EDUCATED THIS COUNCIL AND THAT'S A KEY COMPONENT. SO THANK YOU.
WOULD ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT OR ASK A QUESTION? OKAY. THEN I WILL ASK THE COUNCIL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ORDINANCE 2023-10-19A.
MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 2023-10-19A.
WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY THE PUBLIC OR COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT. WE'VE ALL TALKED ENOUGH.
ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK WE CAN GO WITH A VOICE VOTE ON THIS ONE.
AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, GREAT.
NEXT, THE RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA.
A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE ATAX COMMITTEE TO APPROVE THE APPROPRIATION OF STATE ATAX FUNDS TO JASPER COUNTY 250 IN THE AMOUNT OF $10,000, AND WE HAVE MS. OLIVER. HI. I'M BACK.
THE ATAX COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
RECOMMENDED IT TO BE APPROVED BY YOU.
MS. [INAUDIBLE] IS HERE TO TALK TO YOU AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
SHE HAS ALSO PREPARED A BRIEF PRESENTATION IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS WELL.
[INAUDIBLE] I GOT TO CHANGE HATS. SORRY.
CHANGING HATS IS SOMETHING WE IN THE CITY ARE USED TO DOING.
[CHUCKLING] GOT A WHOLE CLOSET FULL OF HATS.
WE HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU BEFORE, SO A LOT OF THIS WAS STUFF THAT THE COMMITTEE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT HOW WE WERE ESTABLISHED AND STUFF. BASICALLY, WE ARE NOW GOING INTO OUR NEXT GRANT PHASE, WHICH IS WE'VE APPLIED FOR A GRANT FOR THE
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ASSESSMENT, COUNTY ASSESSMENT AND TOURISM PLAN, AND WE ARE WORKING WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA BATTLEGROUND TRUST.THEY WILL DO AN ASSESSMENT OF ALL THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR BATTLEFIELDS WITHIN JASPER COUNTY.
WE MAY HAVE MISSED SOME JUST FROM PRIOR RESEARCHERS THAT HAVE DONE THE WORK.
WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE PURRYSBURG, WHICH WAS FANTASTIC BECAUSE LAMAR INSTITUTE DID GO OUT THERE AND DO QUITE AN EXTENSIVE SEARCH ON PURRYSBURG BATTLE SITE.
WE KNOW THAT AUGUSTINE PREVOST CAME UP THROUGH PURRYSBURG ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH PAST [INAUDIBLE] FERRY, WHICH IS NOW BECK'S FERRY, PASSED THREE SISTERS FERRY, AND THEN HE TURNED EAST AND CAME BACK DOWN INTO THE RIDGELAND AREA.
THAT AREA HAS NOT BEEN STUDIED MUCH, SO WE THOUGHT IT VERY IMPORTANT TO APPLY FOR THIS GRANT.
SO WE HAVE APPLIED TO JASPER COUNTY, RIDGELAND YOU GUYS FOR ATAX FUNDS TO PROVIDE THAT ASSESSMENT.
THE GROUP, THE JASPER COUNTY 250 GROUP, WE ARE NOT TOURISM EXPERTS.
THE COUNTY NEEDS THIS TOURISM.
SO WE ARE GOING TO CONTRACT WITH A COMPANY THAT CAN GUIDE US THROUGH TOURISM.
SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT WE HAVE HAD IS GEOCACHING, WHICH IS A VERY BIG THING.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT, BUT YOU HIDE LITTLE TRINKETS AROUND AT DIFFERENT SITES.
THERE'S A GEOCACHING APP THAT YOU CAN PUT ON YOUR PHONE, YOU GO AND IT'S A TREASURE HUNT.
THERE'S OTHER SYSTEMS QUITE SIMILAR TO IT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TRINKETS.
YOU CAN GUIDE SOMEBODY TO A HISTORICAL SITE.
YOU MIGHT HAVE A MESSAGE WITHIN THEIR INTERPRETIVE PANELS THAT MIGHT TELL THEM WHERE ELSE TO GO.
SO IT'S A TREASURE HUNT TYPE THING.
THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT.
SO WE NEED PROFESSIONAL HELP WITH THAT, AND THAT'S THAT'S ABOUT IT.
WE DID GET FUNDING FROM JASPER COUNTY.
WE DID GET FUNDING FROM RIDGELAND, AND YOU GUYS ARE OUR LAST STOP NOW, AND WE DID ASK FOR $10,000 FROM EACH MUNICIPALITY AND COUNCIL, AND EACH ONE OF THEM ARE COMING FROM THEIR ATAX.
OKAY, AND WE DID COME TO YOU WITH THE APPROVAL TO PUT THE FOUR PANELS DOWN AT MILLSTONE, WHICH YOU GRACIOUSLY GAVE US, AND I BELIEVE WE WILL HEAR ABOUT THAT GRANT WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT GRANT TO PUT THOSE FOUR PANELS DOWN AT MILLSTONE FOR THE PURRYSBURG BATTLE SITE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT ONE OF THE 250 IS A COUNCILWOMAN BEFORE US RIGHT HERE, AND I WILL ASK IN PUBLIC, I THINK THE PROPER THING TO DO.
I WILL ASK MRS. GUZMAN IF SHE IS COMFORTABLE WITH AN UNBIASED VOTE, AND IF NOT, IT'S UP TO HER TO RECUSE HERSELF.
I THINK THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, BUT IF MRS. GUZMAN, IF YOU FEEL YOU ARE NOT OBJECTIVE, THEN IT'S UP TO YOU TO RECUSE.
I'M NOT REQUIRING IT AND BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT CHOICE TO YOU.
IT'S JUST THAT I WANTED TO MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT MY VOTE IS NOT GOING TO FIRST JEOPARDIZE CITY COUNCIL OR THE CITY IN ANY FORM OR FASHION. I WANT THIS VOTE TO BE CLEAN, SO I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH AN UNBIASED VOTE.
SO OKAY, NO GOOD AND I THINK THAT'S A WISE DECISION.
I DON'T YOU KNOW, WE COULD WE COULD.
THANK YOU. OKAY, LET'S START THE QUESTIONING WITH MR. MEERSMAN. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
MRS. GUZMAN. I'M JUST EXCITED THAT WE HAVE CULTURAL TOURISM COMING TO OUR AREA, AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT BRINGING CULTURAL TOURISTS TO JASPER COUNTY AND TO HARDEEVILLE AND JUST START SEEING THAT THIS IS STARTING TO HAPPEN.
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WHEN I LIVED IN FREDERICKSBURG, VIRGINIA, THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER HAD SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, THE TREASURE HUNT.THEY WOULD TAKE PICTURES HALF THEY WOULD TAKE PICTURES OF CERTAIN BUILDINGS, HISTORICAL BUILDINGS, OR JUST MAYBE IT COULD BE JUST A PART OF A STAIRCASE AND PEOPLE WOULD GRAB THAT MAP AND THEY WOULD GO LOOKING FOR IT, AND THEY WOULD GET A GIFT CARD TO A RESTAURANT OR WHATEVER, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO TO GET DRIVE MORE PEOPLE TO THESE SITES IS JUST FANTASTIC.
THANK YOU. AS I SAID, I'M A BIG HISTORY FAN.
I'VE READ DOZENS OF BOOKS ON THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR, AND SO I'M ALL FOR IT.
BRING IT ON AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR YOUR WORK FOR OUR REGION IN TERMS OF CULTURAL TOURISM.
THANK YOU. YEAH, WE'RE BUILDING ON THIS.
I THINK YOU GUYS WILL BE REALLY HAPPY WITH THE BIG ANNIVERSARY IDEA THAT WE HAVE.
THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT REGARDING THIS ATAX APPROPRIATION? SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE RESOLUTION OF 2023-10-19B.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION 2023-10-19B THE APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS.
WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.
CONGRATULATIONS. SO I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS THIS OPPORTUNITY, SINCE WE ARE ALL GOING ON SATURDAY TO CLEAN THE THOMAS HAYWOOD CEMETERY.
MAYBE WE SHOULD INVITE MISTER MAYOR TO THE LOVE FOR HIM TO COME.
WE WILL BE AT. WE WILL BE AT OLD HOUSE SATURDAY FROM 10 TO 2.
WE ARE CLEANING OFF THE HEADSTONES THERE.
WE ARE CLEANING OFF THE CEMENT, NOT CEMENT, THE BRICK SURROUNDING AROUND THE TOMBSTONE.
IF YOU KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN OUT THERE, THERE'S TWO SETS OF WALLS AROUND THE TOMBSTONE, AND WE'RE GOING TO WAX MR. HAYWARD'S BUST THERE TO MAKE THEM NICE AND SHINY.
WELL, NO SNAKES. I'VE ALREADY CLEARED THEM OUT.
OKAY, SO NOW YOU'VE GOT A POSSIBILITY.
[CHUCKLING] IF YOU DON'T MIND, MISS KATHLEEN, WOULD YOU PLEASE SEND AN EMAIL TO THE ENTIRE COUNCIL? TELL THEM ABOUT THE TIMES IN IT? YES. OKAY. YES, AND I'LL SEE IF WE'D LOVE TO SEE YOU OUT THERE.
SNAKES. NO GUARANTEES ON SPIDERS.
OH, THE COBWEBS OUT THERE SOMETIMES.
OKAY, LET'S GO ON TO RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, AUTHORIZING THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE TO ENTER INTO A ROAD TRANSFER AGREEMENT WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, MARTIN STREET, BOYD STREET, JAMES HATTER WAY AND RANDALL STREET.
THIS IS RESOLUTION 2023-10-19C, THIS IS A RESOLUTION REQUIRES ONLY ONE VOTE.
MR. CZYMBOR, PLEASE, OR MR. PARSONS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I THINK YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET AND WE DO HAVE UP THERE WHAT THE CITY IS PROPOSING IS TO TAKE OVER THE OWNERSHIP OF FOUR ROADS FROM THE SCDOT MAINTENANCE OPTIONS, AND THOSE FOUR ROADS INCLUDE MARTIN STREET, BOYD STREET, JIM [INAUDIBLE] AND RANDALL STREET.
SO THIS EASES THOSE RESTRICTIONS AND STUFF ON US JUST TO HAVE THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT ROAD.
ALSO BOYD STREET AND STUFF, IT GOES AND ACTUALLY ATTACHES TO THE ONE OF THE PROPERTIES AND STUFF THAT THE CITY JUST BOUGHT, PREVIOUS, PAST FEW MONTHS, THE MARTIN STREET KIND OF MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING ALONG MARTIN STREET AND A LOT OF ACTIVITY AND STUFF AS FAR AS IMPROVEMENTS AND STUFF THERE, JIM HATTER
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WAY AND RANDALL STREET, IF MAYOR, YOU MAY RECALL, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT PROBABLY FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN SCDOT HAD A PILOT PROGRAM.WE ACTUALLY APPLIED FOR THAT, AND WE DIDN'T GET APPROVED FOR THAT, BUT KNOWING THAT EVERYTHING IS GOING ON THERE, IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE THAT, AND WITH THAT, WHEN WE SEE OURSELF ADDING SIDEWALKS AND STORMWATER ON BOTH SIDES OF THOSE ROADS, AND BY TAKING THOSE INTO OUR SYSTEM, WE CAN GO AFTER SOME OF THOSE GRANTS AND STUFF THAT HELP US DO THAT, INCLUDING THE GRANT, CTC AND WHATEVER, THROUGH THE COUNTY.
SO THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES AND STUFF THERE.
SO FOR WHATEVER QUESTIONS AND STUFF THAT YOU ALL HAVE, I'M READY TO ANSWER THEM.
THANK YOU. NEIL. OKAY, LET'S START WITH MR. WHITE. NO QUESTIONS.
IT MAKES SENSE, AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT.
MRS. GUZMAN I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. MEERSMAN. NO QUESTIONS SIR.
I HAVE ALL THE MAPS OF ALL THE ROADS THAT ARE INVOLVED AND THERE IS I HAVE NO BASIC OBJECTION.
HOWEVER, IT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AS A CITY TO RECOGNIZE THAT IF THEY ARE OUR ROADS, THAT WE WILL HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEM.
OKAY, SO THAT MEANS A BUDGET EXPENSE.
IT ALSO MEANS PROBABLY AN ADDITION TO OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WITH THE TIMETABLE.
SO I THINK THE NUMBER ONE, I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT TO COUNCIL.
IT'S GOING TO COST US AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD.
I'LL JUST PUT THAT INTO YOUR CONSIDERATIONS.
ALSO, IF IT PASSES, WE NEED TO GET THIS ONTO THE BUDGET.
WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND I KNOW FROM WORKING ON STUFF LIKE THIS IN THE PAST THAT ROADS ARE 30 YEAR ROADS. THEY'RE 40 YEAR ROADS ET CETERA ET CETERA.
ARE THESE AT THE END OF THEIR 30 YEAR? I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGET TIME AND LET US AND PUT IT WHETHER WE PUT MONEY ASIDE EACH YEAR SO THAT WHEN IT COMES, WE DON'T HAVE $1 MILLION BILL.
WE HAVE A RESERVE BUILD UP FOR THIS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, MR. CZYMBOR? OKAY.
I'M NOT AGAINST IT BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN GET THE WORK DONE THAT WE NEED.
IT'S OUR FIRE STATION, OUR POLICE STATIONS THERE, AND ALL THE THINGS, AND WE OWN PROPERTY THERE.
SO I'M NOT AGAINST IT, BUT OUR EYES HAVE TO BE WIDE OPEN, AND JUST TO UNDERSTAND, TOO, MAYOR, WE ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, WE DID TAKE OVER HUMMINGBIRD AND MOCKINGBIRD ROADS AS WELL WHEN WE DID THE COMMERCE PARK PROJECT.
THE ROAD QUALITY IS TENDS TO BE ABOUT THE SAME CONDITIONS OF THOSE ROADS.
YEAH, THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE WERE DERIVING INCOME FROM THAT PROPERTY.
HERE, WE'RE ADDING EXPENSE AND WE'RE DOING WE'RE DOING THE SIDEWALKS, WHICH IS NECESSARY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, AND I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.
SO AGAIN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT.
I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE'RE VOTING ON.
[CHUCKLING] NO, THIS IS NOT THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD, IS IT? I'D LIKE TO OFFER THE PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS, MAKE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 2023-10-19C.
WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION.
WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
NEXT WE HAVE THE MANAGER'S REPORT.
YES, SIR, FOUR QUICK THINGS AND ONE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
SO WE DID MAKE A DETERMINATION.
NEXT WEDNESDAY WILL BE A CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP.
THAT'S FOR TWO DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN THE EAST ARGENT AREA.
SECONDLY, THE WE HAVE WE'RE ASKING THE COUNCIL TO LOOK AT YOUR CALENDAR IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE
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NOVEMBER 8TH.YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME TODAY, BUT NOVEMBER 8TH IN THE AM WOODEN PARTNERS HAS COMPLETED SOME TENTATIVE DESIGNS FOR THE MUNICIPAL HUB, AND THEY WERE HOPING THAT THEY COULD MEET WITH STAFF AND THE COUNCIL TO GO OVER THEIR PLANS.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME TODAY, BUT WE'LL GET BACK WITH ME IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
NOVEMBER 8TH MUNICIPAL HUB PLANS I WILL BE SENDING OUT A PROJECT UPDATE TOMORROW.
I DID MEET WITH MR. DAVIS AND I MET WITH COUNCILMAN WHITE AND COUNCILMAN CARROLL.
WE'LL GIVE YOU A PROJECT UPDATE ON SEVERAL THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL WAS INTERESTED IN.
GOOD EVENING. I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE AND MAKE A LITTLE ANNOUNCEMENT.
TODAY IS THE NINTH ANNUAL IMAGINE A DAY WITHOUT WATER.
THIS ONE SLIPPED UP ON US THIS YEAR, BUT WE DID GET IT OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
THANKS TO ELIZABETH AND OTHERS IN THE MEDIA DEPARTMENT, AND WE REALLY JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT OUR WATER RESOURCES ARE AND GETTING.
CLEAN, USABLE WATER TO EVERYBODY, AND THIS YEAR IT'S ABOUT CLOSING THAT INVESTMENT GAP.
SO JUST ENCOURAGING EVERYBODY TO REMEMBER TO SUPPORT THOSE WATER RESOURCES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY THANK YOU.
THANKS, [INAUDIBLE], AND THEN JUST FINALLY A COUPLE COMMENTS ON THE FESTIVAL ON MAIN AND I WANTED TO GO TO THE VIDEO BUT FESTIVAL ON MAIN, I DID BRING IT UP PREVIOUSLY.
WE HAD A LOT OF REALLY HIGH LEVEL GOOD COMMUNITY PARTNERS.
WE RAISED OVER $100,000 IN SPONSORSHIPS FROM OUR MAIN PARTNERS.
WITH THE BRACELET SALES, WE HAD OVER $41,000 OF BRACELET SALES, $11,000 MORE THAN LAST YEAR.
A GREAT COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION, AND I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THE PARKS AND REC AND PUBLIC WORKS, POLICE, FIRE ADMINISTRATION, EVERYBODY THAT WAS INVOLVED.
IT WAS DEFINITELY A COMMUNITY EVENT, PROBABLY ONE OF THE BETTER FESTIVALS THAT WE'VE HAD SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, AND I WAS THRILLED THAT WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AND PUT TOGETHER SUCH A GREAT COMMUNITY FESTIVAL.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, MR. MAYOR, WANT TO THANK THE JESSICA AND JUAN AND ELIZABETH, ESPECIALLY HER WORK ON THIS.
WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE PART ABOUT THE EVENT? THE RIDES. THE RIDES. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A BUNCH OF HIGH FLYING ACTION.
WE GOT FLYING MIDGETS GOING EVERYWHERE.
ALL RIGHT, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE THE FIRE INSPECTOR.
WE DON'T WANT NO TICKETS. EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BEAT YOU.
YOU CAN'T GIVE US ONE. ON THE COUNT OF THREE.
THE WAY YOU GIVE UP ALL RIGHTS TO MEGALOMANIA FOR THAT HAIR, RIGHT? IT ACTUALLY DID STING A LITTLE, BUT WE ARE ALL GOOD.
THE RESTAURANT CARACOL, HONDURAN RESTAURANT IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
HARDEEVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA HERE.
VERY LOCAL. WE'RE HERE PARTICIPATING, HAVING FUN, SHARING OUR CULTURE, OUR FOOD WITH OTHER CULTURES.
WE'RE ALL HERE HAVING FUN, HAVING A GOOD TIME.
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IT WAS WORTH IT BECAUSE YOU'LL BE SEEING.ALL THE LITTLE ONES RUNNING AROUND WITH BUBBLE GUNS.
THE PEOPLE LAUGHING, SMILING, HAVING A BLAST, AND PEOPLE COMING OVER HERE LIKE WE NEEDED THIS.
HARDEEVILLE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT WORTH IT.
VERY GOOD. RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. MAYOR. TERRIFIC.
LAST TIME, WE WENT IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER.
SO THIS TIME WE WILL GO IN REVERSE.
I'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF FUN WORKING ON THE CAR POLICY THE LAST WEEK AND A HALF, AND I'LL HAVE SOME MORE TO SAY ABOUT THAT IN THE NEXT PROBABLY TWO WEEKS, BUT THAT FESTIVAL WAS IMPRESSIVE IN THE FILM.
REALLY NICE. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THE 30 MINUTE VERSION.
THANK YOU. LET'S SEE, I'M FORGETTING MY ALPHABET.
MR. MEERSMAN. THE FESTIVAL WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
THANK YOU TO ALL THE STAFF, EVERYBODY THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT.
I WAS THERE FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, SATURDAY, ABOUT FIVE HOURS WITH A FIVE YEAR OLD GRANDSON ABOUT KILLED ME DOING ALL THAT, BUT IT WAS AN AMAZING AND I TALKED TO PEOPLE AND THEY WERE FROM EVERYWHERE AS FAR AS GUYTON RINCON FOLKS CAME OVER BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THINGS LIKE THIS, SO IT'S JUST AN AMAZING THING. THE OTHER NIGHT, A FEW OF US ATTENDED THE GULLAH LATINO DIVERSITY MEETING.
WE'VE COME A LONG WAY, BUT AFTER LISTENING TO THAT, WE'VE GOT A LONG WAY TO GO AND WE'LL GET THERE.
THAT'S IT. MRS. GUZMAN. TO ECHO WHAT STEVE SAID ABOUT ATTENDING THE MEETING ON TUESDAY, I THINK THAT WAS AN EYE OPENER FOR US ALL WE ALL LIVE IN OUR GATED COMMUNITIES AND BEHIND SECURITY GATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND WE GO TO MEETINGS LIKE THIS AND THEN GET REMINDED THAT THERE IS ANOTHER POPULATION OUT THERE AND THE STRUGGLES THAT THEY GO THROUGH TO LIVE LIFE EVERY DAY, AND I WAS VERY HUMBLED BY THE EXPERIENCE, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THOSE FOLKS TO MAKE THINGS A LITTLE BETTER, AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
A COUPLE THINGS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.
ON THE SIXTH, I AM THE VICE CHAIR OF WHAT'S KNOWN AS [INAUDIBLE], AND I ONLY BRING THIS UP BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND.
WE TALK A LOT HERE ABOUT TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS.
WE AS A CITY, MYSELF PERSONALLY, ARE WORKING WITH THE GREATER COMMUNITY OUTSIDE.
IT'S MORE THAN JUST WHAT WE TALK ABOUT HERE ON THE EIGHTH.
CHIEF WOODWARD, MYSELF, JAMES KIMBRELL, WE PARTICIPATED IN THE JASPER ANIMAL RESCUE GOLF TOURNAMENT.
WE DID NOT WIN THIS ONE, BUT WE DID HAVE A GOOD TIME AND IT WAS FOR A GOOD CAUSE.
I ALSO ENDED UP WITH A I HAD A WINNING BID ON A CUTTING BOARD, SO IT WAS GREAT, AND WE SUPPORT AS A COUNCIL EVERY YEAR WE SUPPORT JOHN IT'S A GREAT SERVICE TO US AS A COMMUNITY AND WE IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM.
ON THE 11TH PARTICIPATED, MR. MEERSMAN WAS THERE AS WELL.
PILOT, WE OPENED SOME NEW FACILITIES AND THEY HAD A REOPENING AND I WANT TO CONGRATULATE PILOT ON THAT, BUT ALSO I WANT TO THANK THEM BECAUSE THEY GAVE A $10,000 CHECK.
WAS IT TEN? $20,000 CHECK TO THE JASPER COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO THAT WAS THAT WAS A WONDERFUL DONATION.
THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO SAY TO THE PUBLIC, THERE ARE JOBS THERE.
SO PEOPLE IN HARDEEVILLE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIGHT COMMUTING TRAFFIC.
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THERE ARE GOOD JOBS, MANAGEMENT JOBS AND A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT JOBS THAT THE MANAGER, MR. GREG WHITE, TOLD ME ABOUT.SO FOR THOSE LOOKING FOR A JOB OR A PART TIME JOB, WHATEVER, PLEASE GO OVER THERE.
THERE ARE JOBS AVAILABLE ON THE 11TH.
AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK ELIZABETH.
WE HAD 11 HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS THERE.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST CROWD I'VE EVER HAD IN A MEETING.
SO I'M REALLY ENCOURAGED AND THEY SEEM LIKE A VERY ENERGETIC GROUP.
NATIONAL NIGHT OUT IS CANCELED TOMORROW, CORRECT? OKAY, SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DID NOT GET THAT MESSAGE, A COUPLE PEOPLE ALREADY MENTIONED GLAC, THE GULLAH LATINO ADVISORY COUNCIL. IT WAS A GOOD PANEL.
I THINK COUNCILMAN CAMP WAS ON ONE SIDE OF ME, AND SENATOR TOM DAVIS ON THE OTHER SIDE IT WAS A GOOD LEARNING EXPERIENCE, BUT WHAT I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT IT, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF NOTES THAT I MADE AND SOME SUGGESTIONS, AND I WANT THE COUNCIL TO KNOW THAT MR. CZYMBOR HAS ALREADY TAKEN THE INITIATIVE TO LOOK INTO SOME DUAL LANGUAGE CAPABILITIES FOR CITY HALL, SO THANK YOU, MIKE.
THAT WAS A GREAT FOLLOWED UP RIGHT AWAY, AND SOME GOOD INITIATIVES HAVE COME OUT OF THAT, AND LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, I JUST WANT TO GIVE KUDOS.
I SENT AN EMAIL SUNDAY MORNING TO EVERYBODY AND JEN CONGRATULATING HIM ON JUST ONE OF THE MOST SPECTACULAR THINGS THAT THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE MAYBE THE MOST SPECTACULAR THING THAT THE CITY OF HARDEEVILLE HAS DONE FOR THE ENTIRE GREATER COMMUNITY OF THE LOW COUNTRY.
IT WAS A MAGNIFICENT FESTIVAL.
IT APPEALED TO PEOPLE OF ALL AGES, PEOPLE WITH FAMILY, KIDS.
THE OLDER PEOPLE CAME OUT AT THE CONCERTS THAT NIGHT.
PARKS AND REC I KNOW FROM PAST EXPERIENCE HOW UNBELIEVABLE DETAILED IT IS TO PUT SOMETHING THIS LARGE TOGETHER.
I ALSO WE HAD OUR POLICE THERE IN FORCE.
EVEN MR. CZYMBOR WAS SELLING TICKETS.
I MEAN, IT WAS JUST A GREAT COMMUNITY EFFORT.
I WANT TO THANK THE PEOPLE FOR COMING.
I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY IN THE CITY FOR DOING AN ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL JOB.
BIG SIGH OF RELIEF FROM EVERYBODY.
LET'S HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN.
WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION.
WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AYE. GOOD NIGHT, EVERYBODY, AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.